Your incessant, detailed nagging is productive only in surfacing problems and not solving them. Unfortunately that is not conducive to moving anything forward and only promotes angst and animosity.<div><br></div><div>What would be much more productive and may actually garner the help you need is to point out the issues and ask if anyone was interested in helping to fix it, or working with you in finding a solution. Right now, you make that proposition very difficult.</div>
<div><br></div><div>There are problems, there are limited lack of resources and we need positive, insightful and useful attitudes in helping to get things done. That and much less whining, nagging and woe is me in the form of a question for help.</div>
<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Christopher Lozinski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lozinski@freerecruiting.com" target="_blank">lozinski@freerecruiting.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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HOW TO INSTALL BLUEBREAM<br>
<br>
So if you want to use Bluebream, how do you start? They have not
updated the downloand in two years, and more recently it
disappeared off the bluebream website. <br>
<br>
On Feb 13th 2012, there was an announcement of a new release of
ztk, on the zope-dev mailing list, with completely cryptic
instructions on how to install it.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2012-February/044114.html" target="_blank">https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2012-February/044114.html</a><br>
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Fine if you are an expert on buildout. <br>
<br>
So I went over to find the instruction on the <a href="http://buildout.org" target="_blank">buildout.org</a> website
and look what I found. <br>
<br>
<a href="http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.zope3recipes#id1" target="_blank">http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.zope3recipes#id1</a><br>
<br>
From Feb 7th of 2012, by Jim Fulton, a release of zope 3. <br>
<br>
It is a nice tar.gz file for installation. I presume that the two
announcements, being so close together, are basically the same
thing. <br>
<br>
DIFFERENT NAMES<br>
<br>
Now just last week we saw the following post. <br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/10/12 7:00 AM, Alex Clark wrote<br>
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<pre>Well, let's get the terminology straight. "Zope 3" is entirely dead.
Its remnants have been divided up into (more or less) the ZTK and
Bluebream. ZTK is a set of reusable libraries (more or less) and
Bluebream is the application server.
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So different people, are saying different things. It is indeed
confusing. <br>
<br>
The other way you can get started is by using <a href="http://ztfy.org" target="_blank">ztfy.org</a> or
<a href="http://wiki.ztfy.org" target="_blank">wiki.ztfy.org</a> <br>
That is more in the content management world. And thierry provides
great support. <br>
<br>
I hope that helps other people going down this very difficult path.
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CACHING EGGS<br>
<br>
To speed things up you may want to have an egg cache. <br>
<br>
From<br>
<a href="http://jacobian.org/writing/more-buildout-notes/" target="_blank">http://jacobian.org/writing/more-buildout-notes/</a><br>
<br>
<p>You’ll basically add a couple of lines to your <tt>buildout.cfg</tt>:</p>
<pre>[buildout]
eggs-directory = /home/you/.buildout/eggs
download-cache = /home/you/.buildout/dlcache
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<p>You can also put these same lines in a <tt><span>~/.buildout/default.cfg</span></tt>;
Buildout
picks up user-level settings from that file.</p>
ABOUT ZTK SECURITY<br>
<br>
I also took a look at the zope.app.security directories. Everything
was there that i expected to see, permissions, principals,
principaldirectory, and some other stuff I did not quite
understand. Of course most of those files linked to some other
files somewhere else. That is okay. But I certainly did not see
much documentation. High level class descriptions, data type
definitions, and message flow diagrams seem to be sorely missing.
Fortunately we are all trained in software archeology. <br>
<br>
I wonder if any of the Zope books describe this stuff well. I have
the general idea that Twisted serves the web, then it traverses the
zodb, and dispatches to a particular python class. I now have to
figure out exactly where it does that, and how permissions are
defined on interfaces, and how to make permissions be defined on
individual methods instead. That way I can hide ZCA from initial
BlueBream development. <br>
<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Chris<br>
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