To follow on the meme of being "for users"... I got sucked into Zope due to the whole zclasses TTW thing. It was only with archetypes and later archgenxml that I started to become productive on the filesystem development thing. Grok is way easier, but doesn't have all the cool toys that Plone/Zope now has, this will change and I predict that I will begin to use more Grok to solve all those non CMS problems that I'm now solving with Plone.<br>
<br>My 2 pence.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Peter Bengtsson <<a href="mailto:peter@fry-it.com">peter@fry-it.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I'm a little drunk as I'm writing this as the majority of tonights<br>
Python UK meetup happened at the pub.<br>
I held a quick talk about Grok which went fine. I was supposed to do a<br>
demo that shows how it works but because my stupid KDE failed on me I<br>
had to do a unprepared talk which, in retrospect, I'm happy with.<br>
<br>
The only question I had to answer was "What about ZCML?". I replied<br>
"At the 5 day sprint I got back from yesterday I only wrote on single<br>
line of ZCML" to which Tim Cooper asked jokingly, "And how long was<br>
that one line?"<br>
<br>
Jacob Kaplan Moss then held a longer talk about the history and<br>
success of Django. At the questions and answers afterwards I asked one<br>
of the questions:<br>
"What key thing do you think made Django so successful?"<br>
His answer was rather long but never mentioned a single hint about<br>
features or technology but primarily about how they prioritized the<br>
community adaptation. As he knew I was there to represent Zope he said<br>
"I respect what you've done with Grok but I think Zope is for<br>
developers whereas Django is for users".<br>
I'm tempted to exit at that but I think it's a point worth taking on<br>
board if we want to regain the traction we had when zope2 was hot. Or<br>
is that already what we're doing?<br>
<br>
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