Thanks Limi.<br>I'm re-posting to the list.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Alexander Limi <<a href="mailto:limi@plone.org">limi@plone.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:19:43 -0700, Kamon Ayeva <<a href="mailto:kamon.ayeva@gmail.com" target="_blank">kamon.ayeva@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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We all know the value of Grok and the Zope 3 technologies it is based on.<br>
But I face the current issue : How do I convince people around me to invest<br>
in (or at least evaluate) Grok ?<br>
Many people around us have discovered Django or Pylons or TG (to only name<br>
those) and it seems difficult to talk about anything Zope to them.<br>
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My approach would be:<br>
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"No, it's not based on Zope — it's using some of the Zope libraries for Component Architecture, etc". That's one way of looking at it that lets people understand that it's NOT the Zope 2 they tried N years ago and hated. Framing it like this will highlight the difference from Zope 2, which is that Zope 3 is essentially a collection of libraries to most Zope 3 developers.</blockquote>
<div><br>Agreed.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
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To be more precise, how do I do that, IF<br>
1) I am not currently paid to do Grok work, partly because it is difficult<br>
to sell it to a potentiel customer (but what we want is solve this, isn't<br>
;))<br>
2) I cannot do much to promote Grok in Python or Zope-related events,<br>
because I cannot justify the bandwidth partly because of 1). For example, it<br>
would be difficult for me to go to EuroPython this year and help improve<br>
things.<br>
3) etc...<br>
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Getting Grok into the hands of developers in "established" markets such as the Plone one (go five.grok!) would help with the legitimacy part, and also bring lots of new developers.</blockquote><div><br>It is true that developers that would like the Grok way of doing, and start using it in their current developments (for instance in Plone-land) would help promote it, and would easily try Grok-the-web-framework. <br>
And, with a bit of effort, we can make 2009 the year of Grok.<br><br>Spread the mantra from Lennart: "... Zope has been fixed !" ;)<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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five.grok-sprint-at-europython-please-ly yours, ;)<br><font color="#888888">
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Alexander Limi · <a href="http://limi.net" target="_blank">http://limi.net</a></font></blockquote><div><br>-- Kamon <br></div></div><br>