<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""></div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></blockquote><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Another reader writes:</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span style="font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important; font-size: 14px;" class="">Hi,</span><div style="font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Even there is huge community for python 2.7. I prefere to develop applications on python 3 which is the future. If I look at benefits of python 3 then there is no choice. </span></div><div style="font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">At the moment I developing an application in python 3, with cherrypy and just plane html/css and javascript. </span></div><div style="font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">I have tried zope with python3, but somewhere I could not 'link' paster to zope3. An other reason to choose for cherrypy is dat zope4 is based on zope2 with python2. </span></div><div style="font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">In the long run it is not a feasible road to develop apps in python2.</span></div><div style="font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""> But any way, success</span></div></div></blockquote><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">I totally agree with you. You are preaching to the choir. Not being in Python 3 is embarrassing. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><a href="http://blogory.org/advantages-of-python3" style="font-size: 14px;" class="">http://blogory.org/advantages-of-python3</a></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">And particularly if you want to do a messaging server, or web scraping the advantages of Python3.5 and asyncio are huge. Jim Fulton is working on moving ZEO to Asyncio, so soon, I presume, we will be able to use ZODB as an Asyncio server. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">So why did I release in Python 2.7? Because I could . I spent all of yesterday trying to figure out how to upgrade to Python 3. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Python 3.5 does not install on FreeBSD. I need to send in a bug report. Somewhere on the internet there is a guy who is kind enough to fix those problems. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Python 3.4 has some security violation. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Python 3.3 worked when I first installed grok. Now it does not work. Presumably I have a wrong version of buildout or setup tools. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Python 3.2 is not distributed on FreeBSD.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">So what do I do about Python 3 not working? I have tried everything I could short of debugging those utilities. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">The next step is to fire up the debugger while running bootstrap, and figure out what the problem is. I was reluctant to be debugging such utilities, but it is the only way. Nothing as powerful as persistence. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">So why bother? I love grok, I think it is brilliant, but the market is node.js. Or Pyramid. Am I stupid? I hope not! I am not going to be competing in the tools market. I want to compete in the mudh larger end-user market. I want to open source blogory, and have hundreds of blogories out there indexing the web manually. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">In the meantime if someone figures out how to bootstrap grok.install on python 3 please send me a pull request, or just email me quick instructions and I will be delighted to upgrade the repository. There are those for whom it is a very simple thing to fix. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">And I have a very nice ZMI here to release as well. The plan is to replace grokui.admin, the applications page with zopache.zmi. The plone guys will love it. If you login to <a href="http://blogory.org" class="">blogory.org</a>, you can play with it. Let me know if you want permission to add content on some branch of blogory.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Regards</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Chris</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""> </span></div></body></html>