<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 6, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Milind Khadilkar <<a href="mailto:zedobject@gmail.com" class="">zedobject@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Thanks.<br class=""></div>Can Grok work with GAE, the way Flask or Django does?<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Not well. </div><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bDOLJMHfUy4J:talk.quintagroup.com/blogs/myroslav/zope-at-gae+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pl" class="">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bDOLJMHfUy4J:talk.quintagroup.com/blogs/myroslav/zope-at-gae+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pl</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">In our earlier GAE work we had used ZPT and that had worked well. I suppose the newer recommendation is Chameleonā¦</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Chameleon is really nice. Less rigid than ZPT. It allows you to type in ${view.context.variable} or any arbitrary python expression. </div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><span style="font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I would try out Zopache. Why just for fun? š</span></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>Well it is not a supported product. The issue is security between instances. I would love to release it as a Docker container, then users could use a web gui to fire up an instance. Develop an app TTW, and never have to know anything about Unix. That would be a huge step in the right direction. There are a number of competing browser-based Javascript development environments. Sadly that whole TTW development thing is disrespected by 99.9% of the people who have the skills to make it happen. IMHO TTW is why ZOPE was a huge initial success, but also why it died, it was mostly ignored, because the developers were developing for themselves, rather than for the entry level users. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>Right now I am fighting a bug, I will get back to you about an account. My sense is that you are not in a huge rush to make a decision. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>Warm Regards</div><div>Chris</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""></body></html>