<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""> <div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Michael Howitz <<a href="mailto:icemac@gmx.net" class="">icemac@gmx.net</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Re: [Zope] First Zope 4 beta release in preparation</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">August 25, 2017 at 7:58:00 AM GMT+2<br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Christopher Lozinski <<a href="mailto:lozinski@freerecruiting.com" class="">lozinski@freerecruiting.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">zope-dev <<a href="mailto:zope-dev@zope.org" class="">zope-dev@zope.org</a>>, <a href="mailto:zope@zope.org" class="">zope@zope.org</a><br class=""></span></div><br class=""><div class=""><span class="" style="float: none; display: inline !important;">Am 24.08.2017 um 22:28 schrieb Christopher Lozinski <</span><a href="mailto:lozinski@freerecruiting.com" class="">lozinski@freerecruiting.com</a><span class="" style="float: none; display: inline !important;">>:</span><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">First thank you for all of the of hard work. <br class=""><br class="">Actually I should say, thank you for all of the very hard work. <br class=""><br class="">Can we add grok-dev to this discussion list?<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><span class="" style="float: none; display: inline !important;">Zope 4 is the successor of Zope 2.13 but Grok is based on Zope 3 libraries. Whereas Zope 3 was a complete re-implementation of Zope from scratch.</span><br class=""><span class="" style="float: none; display: inline !important;">For me it does not make sense to take Grok into the loop of the Zope 4 release messages. Grok and Zope 2 resp. 4 only share some libraries which are Python 3 compatible for some years now and were not touched during the Zope 4 release process.</span><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">So let me ask the obvious question. Are there any simplifications we should make to Zope 4?<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><span class="" style="float: none; display: inline !important;">There might be some possible ones but I doubt that Grok is the answer. (The Plone folks are ripping out Grok from Plone as it makes Plone more complex instead of easier. It is another way to register components besides the existing one via ZCML and it requires developers to understand both.)</span><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><span class="" style="float: none; display: inline !important;">-- </span><br class=""><span class="" style="float: none; display: inline !important;">Mit freundlichen Grüßen</span><br class=""><span class="" style="float: none; display: inline !important;">Michael Howitz</span></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><div class=""><span class="" style="float: none; display: inline !important;"><br class=""></span></div></div></body></html>