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<font size="-1"><font face="Verdana">Yoohoo,<br>
<br>
ZClasses are not an expert technology to use, they are an introduction
to Zope... Just because I use a thing, doesn't mean I can
support/maintain a thing. I can read the list, and try to help folks
with questions that I've experienced... that's the support that can be
offered at my skill level.<br>
<br>
If that's not enough... fine... drop ZClasses, then DTML (you know,
its next)... and all the folks in this boat with me.<br>
<br>
ZC should decide whether the benefits of ZClasses for low-end
developers match against the hurdles to keeping it with the newer Zope
releases. If they don't see a need for this skill-level type of tool
in Zope's feature list, they will pay down the road... Growth is king,
even for Zope, who grew this platform? Growth means newbies, right?
What elements got Zope to where it is? Could ZClasses be on that
list? Why?<br>
<br>
And seeing comments like...<br>
<br>
- "Move to Zope Python Products" - you cant see the skill differences
between OOP & Zope's API vs. ZClasses<br>
<br>
- "Use the Archetypes/CMF/Plone setup" - UML training? the CMF API and
Plone underpinnings, easy?<br>
<br>
- "Maintain it yourself then" - Update very slick code within Zope's
flexible and aging API, with ZODB API too? Maintain it...Yeah sure,
hows this afternoon.<br>
<br>
... just show me how under-represented that beginner and intermediate
Zope developers use this list... and then I think, perhaps there aren't
any, just me and a few others... and if that's the case, Zope's
screwed, and the horse I rode in on.<br>
<br>
And so here's the confession... "Hello, I'm Jon... I've used Zope for 2
years, and I can't help others program high-level Python OOP
tools/platform resources in a propriety web content management server.
I only can support their efforts when the occasional mailing list
opportunities present themselves."<br>
<br>
-Jon Cyr, Intermediate Zope Developer<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cyrj@cyr.info">cyrj@cyr.info</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Andreas Jung wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="midB95BA1685D5387CC15C5C418@%5B192.168.0.20%5D"
type="cite"><br>
<br>
--On Dienstag, 5. April 2005 16:38 Uhr -0400 Jake
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jake@zopezone.com"><jake@zopezone.com></a> wrote:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">And that is probably the best arguement for
keeping them around longer.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
We should get to the point: if some people depend on ZClasses then they
should
<br>
take over some responsibility in maintaining them in future releases.
It can not be
<br>
that a "feature" regarded as obsolete (from the majority) and almost
unmaintained and
<br>
untouched since ages holds up further releases. I agree with Jim that
they should be
<br>
officially deprecated - means they could be removed in Zope 2.10. We
could leave them
<br>
longer if they should work in further releases without further work. If
there are serious
<br>
problems in further releases with ZClasses holding up a new release we
should kick them.
<br>
So if you depend on ZClasses....learn how they are implemented and
maintain them in the
<br>
future. But from the prospective of limited resource it is not
reasonable to spend much
<br>
time on ZClasses in the future.
<br>
<br>
<br>
-aj
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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