<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem</a><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/13/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Chris Withers</b> <<a href="mailto:chris@simplistix.co.uk">
chris@simplistix.co.uk</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Andrew Milton wrote:<br>> +-------[ michael nt milne ]----------------------
<br>> | "yeah, I can see how this kind of attitude draws lots and lots of new<br>> | followers to zope."<br><br>Oh, he's still alive, how unfortunate...<br><br>Thanks, Andrew, for helping him avoid my procmail rule :-(
<br><br>> | whole attitude here is one of sneering and schoolboy name calling.<br>><br>> You need to trust that those you can identify as senior members of the<br>> community, are telling the rest of you that this guy is full of crap.
<br><br>Sadly, Michael is coming from the "full of crap" position himself...<br>then again, I thought it took one to know one... apparently not ;-)<br><br>> The single thing that should have alerted you that something was up.
<br>><br>> *** Chris Withers and I agreed on something d8)<br><br>Yeah, this is somewhat of a system invariant ;-)<br><br>> Imagine for a moment this guy came to you for a job, claiming 25+ years of<br>> dev experience, and 2+ years of Zope experience.
<br><br>Michael wouldn't know a Zope developer if one bit him on the nose...<br><br>> The people slagging this guys are pissed. Because the guy has done NO<br>> research, and no reading whatsover, and then claims Zope needs to be
<br>> rewritten (of course, it IS already being rewritten, which shows how much research he<br>> did, but, not for any of the reasons he listed [because they are crap]).<br><br>My point exactly...<br><br>Interestingly, I offer Nancy Donnelly as a counter point here. She's
<br>similarly new here, but is trying hard to learn and understand, and is<br>taking a "hey, these guys can help me" attitude. Sure enough, she's<br>getting plenty of help...<br><br>It's not all newbies who get into trouble here, just those who ask for it...
<br><br>Chris<br><br>--<br>Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting<br> - <a href="http://www.simplistix.co.uk">http://www.simplistix.co.uk</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>
-- <br>michael