<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">OK. I figured this out. I find the semantics of this permission system a little odd. As a 'Manager' I had to change the password of the 'Owner', login as such and fix the permissions. It's like 'root' on Unix having to 'su' as a user to be able to remove a file...<DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>Roman Budzianowski</DIV><DIV><A href="mailto:plone@budzianowski.net">plone@budzianowski.net</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:32 PM, Roman Budzianowski wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I have a folder in a plone site that when looked at in zmi doesn't have 'Security' tab. I don't see any way to change this by using parent's Security tab. In what circumstance can this happen? A programmatic hack? More important, how can I fix it, programmatically or not. When I look at the object in the debugger I cannot figure out which permission/roles to change (I am new to zope). (zope 2.9.5)<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks,</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>Roman Budzianowski</DIV><DIV><A href="mailto:plone@budzianowski.net">plone@budzianowski.net</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN> </DIV><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Zope maillist<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>-<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><A href="mailto:Zope@zope.org">Zope@zope.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope">http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">** <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>No cross posts or HTML encoding!<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>**</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(Related lists -<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><A href="http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce">http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><A href="http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev">http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev</A> )</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>