Hello,<br><br>If you do not have time to program, and you want to build dynamic web sites, maybe you could use Zope2 with Plone, and just use the existing Plone products. Ok, you think "Plone is tooo much", but it should cover 99% of any basic dynamic web site features.
<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Eric BREHAULT<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 27, 2007 2:18 AM, Rene B <<a href="mailto:rb2.net@gmail.com">rb2.net@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I'm frustrated trying to select a python web framework. I've researched quite a<br>few. CherryPy,Karrigell,Zope 2,3,Grok, Gluon,Django,Mod_Python. I've also<br>looked at templating languages like Spyce, and Cheetah.<br>
I'm beginning to think there's nothing out there for a newbie python<br>programmer like myself. I'm a Network Admin that likes programming but<br>doesn't have the time to get really proficient at it.<br>I selected Python as a language of choice and that's all I've used. I've
<br>written a few scripts .<br>I'm interested in building dynamic web sites but I tell you it's impossible to<br>select a tool.<br>I've researched all the tools mentioned above. The most important thing in my<br>decision is that I know some Python and want to use it to build the dynamic
<br>site. I don't want to learn a new language to do that. ZPT is a new language.<br>Its not python. Not even close. Out of all the ones I've researched I like<br>Zope 2 the best. Not sure why. I want some thing easy. I like DTML. It's
<br>easy. I know why ZPT has it's advantages but for ease of use it doesn't come<br>close to DTML. Most people like me wont be building complex web sites and I'd<br>be the only working on it meaning I'll do the HTML layout and code the dynamic
<br>portions of it. So I don't' need to worry about an HTML editor getting<br>confused with the dynamic languages mixed in blah blah blah.<br><br>I'm afraid to learn Zope 2 because I have no idea what direction it's going in.
<br>Not to mention I don't particularly like ZPT. I've read DTML isn't going<br>anywhere but I don't imagine I'll get much support on it when needed and I'm<br>sure people will be telling me to use ZPT cause DTML is dead.
<br>Funny, I read something while reading news about Grok's new plugins for any<br>template language . They used Genshi as an example and talked about template<br>languages and which one is better etc.. The bottom line was "use the one that
<br>you like". So I wish people would stop putting down DTML or others over the<br>one they prefer and continue to help those regardless of which they choose.<br>Back to trying to choose. I think Django is too hard. I like Mod_python with
<br>PSP. PSP seems to be more python like then anything I've seen. Yet Mod_Python<br>has terrible docs for people like me and it doesn't seem to popular.<br>The other frameworks have some good ideas. I like Karrigell but you just don't
<br>know how long it will be supported.Gluon is cool but its new. Zope 3 is out of<br>the question. Grok looks to me like another CherryPy. It may be easier the<br>Zope 3 but it's not easier then Zope 2. Plus I've yet to get it installed on my
<br>windows XP to play.<br>I like cheetah as a tool. There docs are not that great and not many examples.<br>Plus no auto generated content like you get in Zope 2. Yes some magic is<br>good. The CRUD is what made Rails over rated to start out
with.People like some<br>magic. saves time. Combining Cheetah and Zope sounds interesting to me.<br>So what do I do. I like Zope 2. I can't find any books on it released after<br>2002. Plone is tooo much.<br>There aren't any new products out for Zope 2 and the ones that are there
<br>haven't been touched for years.<br>Zope 2 wiki seems dead. I was looking the other day for some type of auto<br>CRUD for Zope 2. couldn't find anyting. No one seems to be adding anything new<br>to Zope 2 which scares me the most.
<br>If I take the time to learn a tool I want to make sure it's going to be around<br>for awhile and have good support and new addons being added all of the time to<br>help me.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________
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