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    Sascha,<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:4F2A69B6.3090801@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
      you probably need to know the concepts of Zope Through-the-web
      (TTW) and <tt>Filesystem (FS) Product Coding.</tt><br>
      Some templates, scripts are in the ZODB and editable via ZMI - the
      recommended style for a not so recent Zope version is using FS
      Zope Products. Please identify the zope version by using the
      ZMI-ControlPanel.<br>
    </blockquote>
    I'm reading up on the TTW and FS stuff.&nbsp; Any articles/pages you
    particulary recommend?<br>
    <br>
    I can't edit anything using the ZMI, when I click on the pages in
    'Content' I get the error message.<br>
    <br>
    The version line from the error log is this - 'Zope/(Zope
    2.9.4-final, python 2.4.3, linux2) ZServer/1.1 Plone/2.5'<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:4F2A69B6.3090801@gmail.com" type="cite">
      Please compare the way you start the zope instance with the way
      your former colleague did it.<br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I'm not sure what the previous guy did, but I've used the init
    script (/etc/init.d/zope start) and the zopectl script in the bin/
    in the instance.&nbsp; All methods of starting give the same errors.&nbsp; I
    have had to restart zope before now, and I've always used zopectl
    and that's worked fine.&nbsp; It's only since the server crashed it's not
    worked.&nbsp; I'd only used zopectl fg so I could see what was happening
    on startup.&nbsp; Currently the site (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.legulcerforum.org">www.legulcerforum.org</a>) is started
    using the init script.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:4F2A69B6.3090801@gmail.com" type="cite">
      Identify if you are using a custom developed&nbsp; Zope Product with
      templates and a 'main_template' and optionally a 'folder_listing'
      Zope Page Template or similar. Find them by searching in the
      filesystem ('Products' Folder is one option) and in the ZMI and
      tell us the location if you find them.<br>
    </blockquote>
    I don't think it's custom, I've put a list of the Products directory
    on pastebin:<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/cftnjbgZ">http://pastebin.com/cftnjbgZ</a><br>
    <br>
    I think it's pretty much just plone.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:4F2A69B6.3090801@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
      It could be that the Filesystem Directory Views need to be created
      manually - if the product code is not doing that properly.<br>
    </blockquote>
    How can I check that?&nbsp; <br>
    <br>
    I used the ATCT Tool to recatalog the site, not sure if that's the
    same thing.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:4F2A69B6.3090801@gmail.com" type="cite">
      Please check this stuff and come back. And the way with pastebin
      is right - the more (proper) information we have the better. At
      the moment the bits and pieces of your application are not
      complete to me - help me. Now its your turn.<br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I have started to see some more errors in the error_log eg:<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/ZrhquAZH">http://pastebin.com/ZrhquAZH</a><br>
    <br>
    Hopefully that's useful.&nbsp; Thanks for you help.<br>
    <br>
    Matthew<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:4F2A69B6.3090801@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
      Sascha<br>
      <br>
      Am 02.02.2012 11:27, schrieb Matthew Moore:
      <blockquote cite="mid:4F2A6502.6010402@smtl.co.uk" type="cite">
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        On 02/02/12 10:19, Niels Dettenbach wrote:
        <blockquote cite="mid:2359079.8q1AhrqIq1@gongo" type="cite">
          <pre wrap="">Am Donnerstag, 2. Februar 2012, 10:15:44 schrieb Matthew Moore:
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            <pre wrap="">For more detailed information about the error, please refer to the error
log.
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          <pre wrap="">It highly makes sense to do that (and i.e. post the details here) ;)

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        The output from zopectl fg is on the pastebin link:<br>
        <br>
        <pre wrap=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/bhBp7AXf">http://pastebin.com/bhBp7AXf</a>

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        It's quite a lot of output, so I didn't really want to post it
        to the list.&nbsp; But here's a selection:<br>
        <br>
        <ol>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">2012-02-01 16:02:16 ERROR root Exception
              while rendering an error message</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">Traceback (most recent call last):</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/OFS/SimpleItem.py", line 223,
              in raise_standardErrorMessage</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; &nbsp; v = s(**kwargs)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/instances/zope-voyager2/Products/CMFCore/FSPythonScript.py",
              line 108, in __call__</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; &nbsp; return Script.__call__(self, *args,
              **kw)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py",
              line 311, in __call__</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; &nbsp; return self._bindAndExec(args, kw,
              None)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py",
              line 348, in _bindAndExec</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; &nbsp; return self._exec(bound_data, args, kw)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/instances/zope-voyager2/Products/CMFCore/FSPythonScript.py",
              line 164, in _exec</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; &nbsp; result = f(*args, **kw)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; File "Script (Python)", line 16, in
              standard_error_message</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py",
              line 311, in __call__</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; return self._bindAndExec(args, kw,
              None)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py",
              line 348, in _bindAndExec</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; return self._exec(bound_data, args, kw)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/instances/zope-voyager2/Products/CMFCore/FSPageTemplate.py",
              line 195, in _exec</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; result =
              self.pt_render(extra_context=bound_names)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/instances/zope-voyager2/Products/CMFCore/FSPageTemplate.py",
              line 134, in pt_render</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; result =
              FSPageTemplate.inheritedAttribute('pt_render')(</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/PageTemplate.py",
              line 104, in pt_render</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; tal=not source, strictinsert=0)()</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py", line
              238, in __call__</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; self.interpret(self.program)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py", line
              281, in interpret</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; handlers[opcode](self, args)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/TAL/TALInterpreter.py", line
              735, in do_useMacro</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; macro =
              self.engine.evaluateMacro(macroExpr)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/TALES.py",
              line 221, in evaluate</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; return expression(self)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/Expressions.py",
              line 185, in __call__</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; return self._eval(econtext)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/Expressions.py",
              line 173, in _eval</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; ob = self._subexprs[-1](econtext)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/Expressions.py",
              line 127, in _eval</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; ob = restrictedTraverse(ob, path,
              getSecurityManager())</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/PageTemplates/Expressions.py",
              line 286, in restrictedTraverse</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; o=t(REQUEST, name)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">&nbsp; File
              "/usr/local/zope/lib/python/Products/Five/traversable.py",
              line 115, in __bobo_traverse__</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li2">
            <div class="de2">&nbsp; &nbsp; raise AttributeError(name)</div>
          </li>
          <li class="li1">
            <div class="de1">AttributeError: main_template</div>
          </li>
        </ol>
        <br>
        The error_log that you can access through the management page is
        blank.&nbsp; There's nothing in the syslogs/messages/apache logs.<br>
        <br>
        Cheers,<br>
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Matthew Moore
Surgical Materials Testing Laboratory
System Administrator
Telephone: +44 (0)1656 752165
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:matt@smtl.co.uk">matt@smtl.co.uk</a>
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