I'm gonna stay out of this except to note that this discussion should be happening on the ZPT list (zpt at zope.org), as it affects much more than Zope 3 (or even Zope for that matter). Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:jim at zope.com Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org