From GriffMeiggs at bigpond.com  Wed Sep  1 00:59:48 2004
From: GriffMeiggs at bigpond.com (Elden Brueckner)
Date: Wed Sep  1 00:00:06 2004
Subject: [ZPT] did I send this to you?
Message-ID: <20040901040003.EB1E02030A1@mail.zope.org>

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From something at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 07:46:50 2004
From: something at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Wed Sep  1 07:46:54 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Can't get getSize to work
Message-ID: <327e65eb040901044679e50cf4@mail.gmail.com>

I can't get examples from
http://zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_6Edition/ZPT.stx
to work. 
Specifically I've been trying this code:

<table tal:condition="container/objectValues"
border="1" width="100%">
<tr>
<th>Number</th>
<th>Id</th>
<th>Meta?Type</th>
<th>Title</th>
</tr>
<tr tal:repeat="item container/objectValues">
<td tal:content="repeat/item/number">#</td>
<td tal:content="item/getSize">Id</td>
<td tal:content="item/meta_type">Meta?Type</td>
<td tal:content="item/title">Title</td>
</tr>
</table>

I get this error:
Error Type
    KeyError
Error Value
    'getSize'

Also the Python script example (filesize macro) don't work 'cause they
use the same function getSize.
The same template works fine in a Folder where there are only files
(no subfolders) so I think maybe Folder objects have no size so
getSize fails and causes error?
I've been trying to modify the code to list only non-Folders (files,
actually) but I don't know how to do it - this is what I tried
(doesn't work of course)
<tr tal:repeat="item container/objectValues([!='Folder'])" tal:omit-tag="">

Can someone help me with this?

Thanks
Sean
From something at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 14:07:22 2004
From: something at gmail.com (Sean)
Date: Wed Sep  1 14:07:30 2004
Subject: Fwd: [ZPT] Can't get getSize to work
In-Reply-To: <4135F781.2000405@rangebroadband.com>
References: <327e65eb040901044679e50cf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4135F781.2000405@rangebroadband.com>
Message-ID: <327e65eb04090111071c76e74d@mail.gmail.com>

>> (doesn't work of course)
>> <tr tal:repeat="item container/objectValues([!='Folder'])" tal:omit-tag="">
>

>Put in all the objects you _want_:

>i.e. objectValues(['file', 'DTML Document', 'Page Template'])
>Exclude 'Folder' if you don't want it.
>the objectValues() function  takes a sequence of objects for an argument.

Thanks Jeffrey for help - it seems that all objects without referenced
properties (I don't know if I'm using correct terms here) cause error,
so the way to fix this problem is to exclude all non-File objects
(such as Folders, macros, etc.).

objectValues(['file', 'DTML Document', 'Page Template']) would list
the things I want, but it  error would happen later in the code when
the template attempts to get some properties that non-Files don't
have.

Is there a way to exclude everything that's not 'file' (so that I
don't have to check for all possibilities in every folder)?

Thanks
Sean
From dieter at handshake.de  Wed Sep  1 15:40:11 2004
From: dieter at handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed Sep  1 16:12:51 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Can't get getSize to work
In-Reply-To: <327e65eb040901044679e50cf4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <327e65eb040901044679e50cf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16694.9627.542987.136990@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

Sean wrote at 2004-9-1 19:46 +0800:
> ...
><td tal:content="item/getSize">Id</td>
>Error Type
>    KeyError
>Error Value
>    'getSize'

Not all objects have a "getSize" method.

Try:

	<td tal:content="item/getSize | python:0">Id (????)</td>

-- 
Dieter
From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Thu Sep  2 17:22:07 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu Sep  2 17:22:17 2004
Subject: [ZPT] why does tal not get interpretted inside <script> tags?
Message-ID: <41378EFF.3020509@simplistix.co.uk>

...this seems like something imposed "for a reason" but which just ends 
up making life harder for everyone.

Any ideas why?

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
From dieter at handshake.de  Fri Sep  3 14:03:42 2004
From: dieter at handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri Sep  3 14:51:41 2004
Subject: [ZPT] why does tal not get interpretted inside <script> tags?
In-Reply-To: <41378EFF.3020509@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <41378EFF.3020509@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <16696.45566.698789.691959@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

Chris Withers wrote at 2004-9-2 22:22 +0100:
>...this seems like something imposed "for a reason" but which just ends 
>up making life harder for everyone.

HTML defines "script" as an element with "CDATA" content.
This forbids the interpretation of markup in its content.

Almost surely, TAL is interpreted even inside "script"
tags in your XML page templates.

-- 
Dieter
From zbigsr at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  6 14:57:57 2004
From: zbigsr at yahoo.com (RESUME)
Date: Mon Sep  6 17:54:26 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Electrical Designer
Message-ID: <20040906215425.8BCF82030A4@mail.zope.org>



Resume


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Job Estimating & bid preparation.

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From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Tue Sep  7 05:33:10 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue Sep  7 09:38:40 2004
Subject: [ZPT] why does tal not get interpretted inside <script> tags?
In-Reply-To: <16696.45566.698789.691959@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <41378EFF.3020509@simplistix.co.uk>
	<16696.45566.698789.691959@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <413D8056.2010909@simplistix.co.uk>

Dieter Maurer wrote:
> HTML defines "script" as an element with "CDATA" content.
> This forbids the interpretation of markup in its content.

Indeed.

> Almost surely, TAL is interpreted even inside "script"
> tags in your XML page templates.

All well and good, but my template is generating html.

*sigh*

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Tue Sep  7 05:34:19 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue Sep  7 09:38:51 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Re: [Roundup-users] why does tal not get interpretted inside
 <scr ipt> tags?
In-Reply-To: <0F7C196E2F6AD511A62700B0D0D06F6F02AA4C66@FIMOEXH01>
References: <0F7C196E2F6AD511A62700B0D0D06F6F02AA4C66@FIMOEXH01>
Message-ID: <413D809B.5070602@simplistix.co.uk>

Marlon van den Berg wrote:
> *old* browsers do parse the lines in-between <script> and </script>, but not
> the lines between <!-- and -->. That is why the comment tags are often used
> within script tags. Why not do it like that for TAL. That would allow users
> to use TAL within script tags. And if the script has strings containing
> tags, then use the comment tags to skip that part. The example would then
> be:
> 
> <script>
> //<!--
> if (ordered) {
>    document.write('<ol>')
> } else {
>    document.write('<ul>')
> }
> //-->
> </script>

This is a very good idea from my p.o.v.
What do other people think?

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From fdrake at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 12:13:11 2004
From: fdrake at gmail.com (Fred Drake)
Date: Tue Sep  7 12:13:21 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Re: [Roundup-users] why does tal not get interpretted
	inside <scr ipt> tags?
In-Reply-To: <413D809B.5070602@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <0F7C196E2F6AD511A62700B0D0D06F6F02AA4C66@FIMOEXH01>
	<413D809B.5070602@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9cee7ab8040907091359a08e45@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:34:19 +0100, Chris Withers
<chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
> Marlon van den Berg wrote:
> > *old* browsers do parse the lines in-between <script> and </script>, but not
> > the lines between <!-- and -->. That is why the comment tags are often used
> > within script tags. Why not do it like that for TAL. That would allow users
> > to use TAL within script tags. And if the script has strings containing
> > tags, then use the comment tags to skip that part. The example would then
> > be:
> >
> > <script>
> > //<!--
> > if (ordered) {
> >    document.write('<ol>')
> > } else {
> >    document.write('<ul>')
> > }
> > //-->
> > </script>
> 
> This is a very good idea from my p.o.v.
> What do other people think?

There lies the path to insanity.  Lots of special rules cause lots of
special code, which ends up difficult to maintain.  This is a bad
thing.


  -Fred

-- 
Fred L. Drake, Jr.    <fdrake at gmail.com>
Zope Corporation
From dieter at handshake.de  Tue Sep  7 13:38:25 2004
From: dieter at handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Tue Sep  7 14:11:33 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Re: [Roundup-users] why does tal not get interpretted inside
	<scr ipt> tags?
In-Reply-To: <413D809B.5070602@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <0F7C196E2F6AD511A62700B0D0D06F6F02AA4C66@FIMOEXH01>
	<413D809B.5070602@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <16701.61969.212644.495213@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

Chris Withers wrote at 2004-9-7 10:34 +0100:
>Marlon van den Berg wrote:
>> *old* browsers do parse the lines in-between <script> and </script>, but not
>> the lines between <!-- and -->. That is why the comment tags are often used
>> within script tags. Why not do it like that for TAL. That would allow users
>> to use TAL within script tags.

TAL tries to adhere to the SGML/XML specification
and "<!-- ... -->" is an SGML/XML comment.

Thus, TAL ignores anything between "<!--" and "-->" *provided* that
the "<!--...-->" occurs in markup sections -- this excludes CDATA
content elements such as "script" (in HTML).

-- 
Dieter
From marlon.vandenberg at tiscali.nl  Tue Sep  7 14:39:19 2004
From: marlon.vandenberg at tiscali.nl (Marlon van den Berg)
Date: Tue Sep  7 14:39:25 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Re: [Roundup-users] why does tal not get interpretted
	inside <scr ipt> tags?
References: <0F7C196E2F6AD511A62700B0D0D06F6F02AA4C66@FIMOEXH01>
	<413D809B.5070602@simplistix.co.uk>
	<9cee7ab8040907091359a08e45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401c49509$fcb6f6f0$929ea952@vandeberg>

On Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:13 PM, Fred Drake wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:34:19 +0100, Chris Withers
> > This is a very good idea from my p.o.v.
> > What do other people think?
>
> There lies the path to insanity.  Lots of special rules cause lots of
> special code, which ends up difficult to maintain.  This is a bad
> thing.

Why special rules? In fact, the rules will become simpler. Just allow TAL
within all HTML tags with exception of the comment tags <!--...-->. Isn't
that the same aproach as TAL uses with XML?.
And why not? TAL allows to be used inside the <script....> tag itself. Isn't
this one valid too!:
    <script type="text/javascript" tal:content="self.document.title = 'Why
not?';" />
Isn't it so that the above also generates dynamic code within the CDATA
part?
So why not allow?:
    <script type="text/javascript">
        <tal:block tal:replace="self.document.title = 'Why not?';" />
    </script>
Sure, it would look insane if something like the next is used:
    <script type="text/javascript">
        <span tal:content="self.document.title = 'Why not?';" />
    </script>
but so it the next too. And that one is allowed by TAL.
    <title>
        <span tal:content="I rest my case!" />
    </title>

Regards,
Marlon

From gotcha at bubblenet.be  Wed Sep  8 06:57:36 2004
From: gotcha at bubblenet.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed Sep  8 06:56:01 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Re: why does tal not get interpretted inside <script> tags?
In-Reply-To: <413D8056.2010909@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <41378EFF.3020509@simplistix.co.uk>	<16696.45566.698789.691959@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<413D8056.2010909@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <413EE5A0.1080101@bubblenet.be>

Chris Withers wrote:

<snip>


> 
> All well and good, but my template is generating html.
> 
> *sigh*

Have you tried the following ?


     <tal:script define="first_var string:a">
     <script tal:content="string:
             alert('$first_var');
             alert('${template/getId}');
     ">
     </script>
     </tal:script>


where the tal:script is to show that a defined variable used in the 
script and where the newlines in the tal:content otf the script tag 
allow for nice output (shown hereunder)

     <script>
             alert('a');
             alert('select_widget_form');
     </script>

> 
> Chris
> 


-- 
Godefroid Chapelle (aka __gotcha)                http://bubblenet.be

From gotcha at bubblenet.be  Wed Sep  8 06:57:36 2004
From: gotcha at bubblenet.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed Sep  8 06:56:19 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Re: why does tal not get interpretted inside <script> tags?
In-Reply-To: <413D8056.2010909@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <41378EFF.3020509@simplistix.co.uk>	<16696.45566.698789.691959@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<413D8056.2010909@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <413EE5A0.1080101@bubblenet.be>

Chris Withers wrote:

<snip>


> 
> All well and good, but my template is generating html.
> 
> *sigh*

Have you tried the following ?


     <tal:script define="first_var string:a">
     <script tal:content="string:
             alert('$first_var');
             alert('${template/getId}');
     ">
     </script>
     </tal:script>


where the tal:script is to show that a defined variable used in the 
script and where the newlines in the tal:content otf the script tag 
allow for nice output (shown hereunder)

     <script>
             alert('a');
             alert('select_widget_form');
     </script>

> 
> Chris
> 


-- 
Godefroid Chapelle (aka __gotcha)                http://bubblenet.be

From ozoneprotection at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  9 12:04:45 2004
From: ozoneprotection at yahoo.com (L. Intl Singapore)
Date: Thu Sep  9 12:04:54 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Business Opportunity
Message-ID: <20040909160451.ADCE620315E@mail.zope.org>

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From: kang_derek at yahoo.com (Derek Kang)
Date: Sat Sep 11 19:29:36 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Global Business Model Platform...in the Philippnes
Message-ID: <20040911232935.179822030BC@mail.zope.org>

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From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Mon Sep 13 00:04:24 2004
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon Sep 13 01:47:31 2004
Subject: [ZPT] displaying images from a postgres table
Message-ID: <04091309342410.01154@thenilgiris.com>

hi,
i have a postgres table where one of the fields is a bytea (jpeg image). I 
cannot get this image to display on a zpt template. Some problem with the 
header? any clues?
-- 
regards
kg

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From tino at wildenhain.de  Mon Sep 13 02:02:25 2004
From: tino at wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon Sep 13 02:02:43 2004
Subject: [ZPT] displaying images from a postgres table
In-Reply-To: <04091309342410.01154@thenilgiris.com>
References: <04091309342410.01154@thenilgiris.com>
Message-ID: <1095055345.1520.319.camel@Andrea.peacock.de>

Hi Kenneth,

Am Mo, den 13.09.2004 schrieb Kenneth Gonsalves um 6:04:
> hi,
> i have a postgres table where one of the fields is a bytea (jpeg image). I 
> cannot get this image to display on a zpt template. Some problem with the 
> header? any clues?

This is not related to ZPT or whatever.
You dont include the data inline - you
refer to the image by URL.

So you need something to actually produce
the image (and only the image, not any HTML)

For example a python script like this:

imagename="/".join(traverse_subpath)
request=context.REQUEST
response=request.RESPONSE


res=ZSQLMethodTOQueryDB(imagepath=imagename)

if res:
    data=res["byteadataforimage"]

    # now lets assume all images are gif
    response.setHeader("Content-Type","image/gif")
    return data

If you have gif, jpeg all mixed either you have
the hint about this in the DB too or guess
it from the name (if you save with extensions)
or you read the first few bytes of data and decide.

The script above cann be called via

path/to/TheScript/someimage

someimage goes to traverse subpath
and in the script, imagename="someimage"
If you have more path elements, in my
example they are concenated via /

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

From lists at andreas-jung.com  Mon Sep 13 02:05:12 2004
From: lists at andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Mon Sep 13 02:05:29 2004
Subject: [ZPT] displaying images from a postgres table
In-Reply-To: <04091309342410.01154@thenilgiris.com>
References: <04091309342410.01154@thenilgiris.com>
Message-ID: <B936E1EAC7A318E989D5E396@[192.168.0.102]>



--On Montag, 13. September 2004 9:34 Uhr +0530 Kenneth Gonsalves 
<lawgon@thenilgiris.com> wrote:

> hi,
> i have a postgres table where one of the fields is a bytea (jpeg image).
> I  cannot get this image to display on a zpt template. Some problem with
> the  header? any clues?
> --
>

A detailed description and the corresponding parts of the offending code 
would
be helpful if you expect help.

Thanks,
-aj
From ozoneprotection at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 13 10:24:42 2004
From: ozoneprotection at yahoo.com (L. Intl Singapore)
Date: Mon Sep 13 10:24:48 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Business Opportunity
Message-ID: <20040913142446.E617D20315A@mail.zope.org>

We are a Singapore based company with a global business operation.  We are currently targeting at a new consumer industry in the Philippines and worldwide. 
 
We are bringing a new aromatic air product and its global marketing concept to you and your business community.  
 
We would like to share this new business experience with like-minded businessmen, professionals and entrepreneurs who are ready to make the difference in life.  Just like the clean water industry, we would like to share this vision of a clean air market worth billions of dollars with you. 
 
My name is Victor Sim, I am currently in Cebu to meet clients and conduct our product awareness seminar. 
 
If you are interested, kindly provide us your name, contact number (cell-phone number & landline), your profession and the location that you are based so that I can meet up with you.  
 
Victor Sim
 
trinity@starhub.net.sg or ozoneprotection@yahoo.com
 
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From lemonsakes at tidni.com  Tue Sep 14 15:17:03 2004
From: lemonsakes at tidni.com (Feklar)
Date: Tue Sep 14 14:17:33 2004
Subject: [ZPT] 2 + 7 = 11. Let's check it... adults
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From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Tue Sep 14 17:33:25 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue Sep 14 17:34:05 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Re: why does tal not get interpretted inside <script> tags?
In-Reply-To: <413EE5A0.1080101@bubblenet.be>
References: <41378EFF.3020509@simplistix.co.uk>	<16696.45566.698789.691959@gargle.gargle.HOWL>	<413D8056.2010909@simplistix.co.uk>
	<413EE5A0.1080101@bubblenet.be>
Message-ID: <414763A5.6040506@simplistix.co.uk>

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
>> All well and good, but my template is generating html.
>>
>> *sigh*
> 
> Have you tried the following ?

My JS is "somewhat" more complicated than that. I ended up resorting to 
building it in a python function as suggested by someone on the Roundup 
list.

Doing it this way actually eventually made it a lot clearer, so I'm glad 
I did :-)

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Tue Sep 14 17:35:44 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue Sep 14 17:36:19 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Re: [Roundup-users] why does tal not get interpretted inside
	<scr ipt> tags?
In-Reply-To: <9cee7ab8040907091359a08e45@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0F7C196E2F6AD511A62700B0D0D06F6F02AA4C66@FIMOEXH01>	
	<413D809B.5070602@simplistix.co.uk>
	<9cee7ab8040907091359a08e45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41476430.8080002@simplistix.co.uk>

Fred Drake wrote:
>>><script>
>>>//<!--
>>>if (ordered) {
>>>   document.write('<ol>')
>>>} else {
>>>   document.write('<ul>')
>>>}
>>>//-->
>>></script>
>>
>>This is a very good idea from my p.o.v.
>>What do other people think?
> 
> There lies the path to insanity.  Lots of special rules cause lots of
> special code, which ends up difficult to maintain.  This is a bad
> thing.

Well, the difference in processing in the <script> contents already 
feels like a special rule to me, and has lead to much insanity already...

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
From fdrake at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 18:01:46 2004
From: fdrake at gmail.com (Fred Drake)
Date: Tue Sep 14 18:02:15 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Re: [Roundup-users] why does tal not get interpretted
	inside <scr ipt> tags?
In-Reply-To: <41476430.8080002@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <0F7C196E2F6AD511A62700B0D0D06F6F02AA4C66@FIMOEXH01>
	<413D809B.5070602@simplistix.co.uk>
	<9cee7ab8040907091359a08e45@mail.gmail.com>
	<41476430.8080002@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9cee7ab8040914150167be81ec@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:35:44 +0100, Chris Withers
<chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
> Well, the difference in processing in the <script> contents already
> feels like a special rule to me, and has lead to much insanity already...

What it's doing now means that Zope isn't making up any rules.  That
isn't in question AFAICT.

If that feels like a special rule, then you need to convince the W3C
to "fix" HTML to match your expectations.  The Zope community is not
recognized as a standard-setter for HTML, and I don't think we want to
be.

There lies not only madness, but political intrigue as well.  ;-)


  -Fred

-- 
Fred L. Drake, Jr.    <fdrake at gmail.com>
Zope Corporation
From gotcha at bubblenet.be  Wed Sep 15 06:49:35 2004
From: gotcha at bubblenet.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed Sep 15 06:50:28 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Re: why does tal not get interpretted inside <script> tags?
In-Reply-To: <414763A5.6040506@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <41378EFF.3020509@simplistix.co.uk>	<16696.45566.698789.691959@gargle.gargle.HOWL>	<413D8056.2010909@simplistix.co.uk>	<413EE5A0.1080101@bubblenet.be>
	<414763A5.6040506@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <41481E3F.6070507@bubblenet.be>

Chris Withers wrote:

> Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
> 
>>> All well and good, but my template is generating html.
>>>
>>> *sigh*
>>
>>
>> Have you tried the following ?
> 
> 
> My JS is "somewhat" more complicated than that.

Obviously...

The snippet shown was with the idea of just dynamically write the 
arguments to JS function/method call(s).

Those JS functions/methods being in a normal js file.

> I ended up resorting to 
> building it in a python function as suggested by someone on the Roundup 
> list.
> 
> Doing it this way actually eventually made it a lot clearer, so I'm glad 
> I did :-)
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 

From Keir.Moffatt at bristol.ac.uk  Wed Sep 15 09:51:42 2004
From: Keir.Moffatt at bristol.ac.uk (KJ Moffatt, Careers Advisory Service)
Date: Wed Sep 15 09:52:15 2004
Subject: [ZPT] URL query string variables to call a macro or template
Message-ID: <5172656.1095259902@cas-aqua.cas.bris.ac.uk>

Hi all,

I want to use the url query string variables (e.g. 
index_html?id=book1&page=19) to call a macro or template.

## Example Page Template code

<!-- Example query string is ?include=test&name=testname -->

<div tal:define="incfile request/include; incname request/name">
<h2>The macro you are using is: <b tal:content="string: 
$incname">macroname</b></h2>

<!-- Then I want to call the macro using the $incname variable so
     rather than use=macro="here/test/macros/testname"
     I'd like to use the following: -->

<div metal:use-macro="here/$incfile/macros/$incname">footer</div>

</div>

## Code ends

The above obviously does not work for me but I have been told that:

1. I could use tal:replace="python:path('here/' + incfile ....
2. It may not be possible with metal.

PLEASE can someone help as this has had me stumped for ages.

Thanks for your time,

Keir

From dieter at handshake.de  Wed Sep 15 15:22:38 2004
From: dieter at handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed Sep 15 15:49:49 2004
Subject: [ZPT] URL query string variables to call a macro or template
In-Reply-To: <5172656.1095259902@cas-aqua.cas.bris.ac.uk>
References: <5172656.1095259902@cas-aqua.cas.bris.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <16712.38526.336067.472414@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

KJ Moffatt, Careers Advisory Service wrote at 2004-9-15 14:51 +0100:
>I want to use the url query string variables (e.g. 
>index_html?id=book1&page=19) to call a macro or template.
> ...
><div metal:use-macro="here/$incfile/macros/$incname">footer</div>

Try:

   ... use-macro="here/?incfile/macros/?incname"...

-- 
Dieter
From Keir.Moffatt at bristol.ac.uk  Thu Sep 16 05:44:26 2004
From: Keir.Moffatt at bristol.ac.uk (KJ Moffatt, Careers Advisory Service)
Date: Thu Sep 16 05:45:10 2004
Subject: [ZPT] URL query string variables to call a macro or template
In-Reply-To: <16712.38526.336067.472414@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <16712.38526.336067.472414@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <7503562.1095331466@cas-aqua.cas.bris.ac.uk>

Thank you very much. My final code was:

<div tal:define="guidedir request/name; guidename 
python:string(request.name + request.pages)">
Guide Directory: <span tal:replace="string: $guidedir">dir</span>.
Guide Name: <span tal:replace="string: $guidename">name</span>.
<div 
metal:use-macro="here/?guidedir/?guidename/macros/?guidename">footer</div>
</div>

Although I do need to put in some error checking to prevent page crashes. 
In this instance the URL would appear as ?name=test&page=1

Many thanks,

Keir

--On 15 September 2004 21:22 +0200 Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de> 
wrote:

> KJ Moffatt, Careers Advisory Service wrote at 2004-9-15 14:51 +0100:
>> I want to use the url query string variables (e.g.
>> index_html?id=book1&page=19) to call a macro or template.
>> ...
>> <div metal:use-macro="here/$incfile/macros/$incname">footer</div>
>
> Try:
>
>    ... use-macro="here/?incfile/macros/?incname"...
>
> --
> Dieter



_______________________________________________

Keir Moffatt, Information Systems Officer
Careers Advisory Service, University of Bristol
11 Priory Road, Clifton, Bristol, BS8 1TU
Tel: +44 (0)117-928-8224
Fax: +44 (0)117-954-6818
Email: Keir.Moffatt@bristol.ac.uk
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_______________________________________________
From xxx_Coloque_cr閐ito at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 17 10:05:01 2004
From: xxx_Coloque_cr閐ito at yahoo.com (xxx_Coloque_cr閐ito)
Date: Fri Sep 17 09:28:16 2004
Subject: [ZPT] =?iso-8859-1?q?Coloque_cr=E9dito_em_celulares_pr=E9_pagos_?=
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From: pkzpt at zope.org (Dailey permian)
Date: Sun Sep 19 11:39:56 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Delmer - Security Alert - Your Computer Acting Weird?
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From ngilbert at cyberway.com.sg  Sun Sep 19 22:53:15 2004
From: ngilbert at cyberway.com.sg (Gilbert Ng)
Date: Sun Sep 19 22:48:50 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Global Business Opportunity In New Industry
Message-ID: <20040920024848.DB37B20313B@mail.zope.org>

Dear Business Owner/Professional,
 
I am Gilbert Ng, a Singapore based businessman with global business operation. Our Company is currently open up a New Industry in the Philippines and globally. We will be traveling and conducting our Global Business previews in the city of Makati, Quezon, Davao and Lipa respectively. Of these, the major business preview will be conducted in Makati.
 
If you are open to new business ideas/opportunity and interested to find out more, kindly provide your particular as follow:
 
Name:
Country/City:
Profession:
Contact No. (HP/Office):

We will invite you and revert you with more information.
Hear from you soon...& God Bless!
 
Sincerely,
Gilbert Ng
Email: ngilbert@cyberway.com.sg
Email: ngilbert@L88edc.com
L88 International Singapore
 
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From: bolpen1212 at hanmail.net (=?euc-kr?q?=C0=AF=BF=EB=C7=D1=C1=A4=BA=B8?=)
Date: Mon Sep 20 04:59:08 2004
Subject: [ZPT] =?euc-kr?b?KMCvv+vH0cGkurgpyKjHx7/uv7XA2rTUv6Gw1CDHyr/k?=
	=?euc-kr?b?x9G5q7fhvK268b26ILPXsKHB9sDUtM+02SBA?=
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From duyiwu3r at singnet.com.sg  Mon Sep 20 20:53:18 2004
From: duyiwu3r at singnet.com.sg (Cephas)
Date: Mon Sep 20 20:55:03 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Global Business Opportunity In New Industry
Message-ID: <20040921005501.DA818203182@mail.zope.org>

Dear Business Owner/Professional,
 
I am Cephas Ng, a Singapore based businessman with global businessman operation. Our Company is currently open up a New Industry in the Philippines and globally. We will be traveling and conducting our Global Business previews in the city of Makati, Quezon, Davao and Lipa respectively. Of these the major business preview will be conducted in Makati.
 
If your are open to new business ideas/opportunity and interested and find out more, kindly provide your particular as follow:
 
Name: 
Country/City:
Profession:
Contact No. (HP/Office):
 
We will invite you and revert you with more information.
Hear from you soon??& God Bless!
 
 
Sincerely,
Cephas Ng
Email: duyiwu3r@singnet.com.sg
L88 International Singapore 
 
Disclaimer:
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From pinjmogj.pidqx at owensbororiverport.com  Wed Sep 22 20:43:45 2004
From: pinjmogj.pidqx at owensbororiverport.com (Donnell Perry)
Date: Wed Sep 22 20:50:08 2004
Subject: [ZPT] George Bush or John Kerry?
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From nick.dimmock at northampton.ac.uk  Fri Sep 24 05:57:35 2004
From: nick.dimmock at northampton.ac.uk (Nick Dimmock)
Date: Fri Sep 24 06:00:27 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Container / here confusion
Message-ID: <2946CD86-0E10-11D9-A11A-000A9571B4CE@northampton.ac.uk>

Hi - I'm working through my first Zope site and trying to stick to ZPT. 
The setup I have at the moment has an index_html in the root folder, 
and I then want each subfolder to have either a pageCode or pageText 
template. If pageCode exists, the root index_html includes it. 
Otherwise pageText is used, either in the current folder or further up 
the path.

So I want to check for the existence of pageCode in the current folder, 
but I'm having problems doing that. I've boiled the problem down to a 
simple conditional test. This is in my root index_html:

<div tal:condition="here/pageCode">I have code in here!</div>
<div tal:condition="container/pageCode">I have code in container!</div>

Both these divs are rendered even if the current folder has no pageCode 
template. I assume this is because they are both traversing up the path 
until they find a pageCode. How do I limit the check to the current 
folder? For example, if I browser to "/packs/search/" I want to check 
for a pageCode template in the search folder alone. Is this problem 
because my index_html is located in root? I want to keep that setup so 
that certain users only have to edit a pageText template that will just 
contain ReST content...

Any pointers gratefully received -

Nick

From isi at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 25 16:32:49 2004
From: isi at hotmail.com (isi@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Sep 25 16:35:38 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Promote your product
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From ngilbert at cyberway.com.sg  Sun Sep 26 05:38:51 2004
From: ngilbert at cyberway.com.sg (Gilbert Ng)
Date: Sun Sep 26 05:35:47 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Global Business Opportunity In New Industry
Message-ID: <20040926093545.80F6F2031A8@mail.zope.org>

Dear Business Owner/Professional,
               
I am Gilbert Ng, a Singapore based businessman with global business operation. Our Company is currently open up a New Industry in the Philippines and globally. We will be traveling and conducting our Global Business previews in the city of Makati, Quezon, Davao and Lipa respectively. Of these, the major business preview will be conducted in
Makati.
 
If you are open to new business ideas/opportunity and interested to find out more, kindly provide your particular as follow:
 
Name:
Country/City:
Profession:
Contact No. (HP/Office):
 
We will invite you and revert you with more information.
Hear from you soon... & God Bless!
 
Sincerely,
Gilbert Ng
Email: ngilbert@cyberway.com.sg
Email: ngilbert@L88edc.com
L88 International Singapore
 
Disclaimer:
This email, together with any attachments, is intended ONLY for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is legally privileged, confidential, and/or subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, please be informed that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, any attachment, or part thereof is strictly prohibited. Kindly note that Internet communications are not secure, and therefore are susceptible to alterations. If you have received this email in error, please advise the sender by reply email, and delete this message. Your co-operation on this matter is highly appreciated. Thank you.
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From libhlv at list.ru  Sun Sep 26 13:19:07 2004
From: libhlv at list.ru (Sergey Blook)
Date: Sun Sep 26 13:22:09 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Hello zpt 
Message-ID: <20040926172204.99AA62030B9@mail.zope.org>

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From ozoneprotection at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 27 10:10:52 2004
From: ozoneprotection at yahoo.com (L. Intl Singapore)
Date: Mon Sep 27 10:14:05 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Breathe in CLEAN AIR and enjoy REWARDING RETURN at the same
	time
Message-ID: <20040927141403.9A57D203179@mail.zope.org>

Twenty years ago, if you had got into "mineral water" market, you would have made millions of dollars and laughing to the bank.  If you have missed it, all is not lost!  

The next big wave coming will be the "Clean Air" industry.  
This multi-million dollar market awaits you.


If you think you are gained for it, we have the product. 

Please provide us your contact number and profession.  Our representative in Phillippines will follow up with you.


Regards

Victor Sim
L. Int'l Singapore

trinity@starhub.net.sg or ozoneprotection@yahoo.com
 
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From ngilbert at cyberway.com.sg  Mon Sep 27 21:37:31 2004
From: ngilbert at cyberway.com.sg (Gilbert Ng)
Date: Mon Sep 27 21:34:49 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Global Business Opportunity In New Industry
Message-ID: <20040928013447.7D8D72031B9@mail.zope.org>

Dear Business Owner/Professional,
                   
I am Gilbert Ng, a Singapore based businessman with global business operation. Our Company is currently open up a New Industry in the Philippines and globally. We will be traveling and conducting our Global Business previews in the city of Makati, Quezon, Davao and Lipa respectively. Of these, the major business preview will be conducted in
Makati.
 
If you are open to new business ideas/opportunity and interested to find out more, kindly provide your particular as follow:
 
Name:
Country/City:
Profession:
Contact No. (HP/Office):
 
We will invite you and revert you with more information.
Hear from you soon... & God Bless!
 
Sincerely,
Gilbert Ng
Email: ngilbert@cyberway.com.sg
Email: ngilbert@L88edc.com
L88 International Singapore
 
Disclaimer:
This email, together with any attachments, is intended ONLY for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is legally privileged, confidential, and/or subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, please be informed that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, any attachment, or part thereof is strictly prohibited. Kindly note that Internet communications are not secure, and therefore are susceptible to alterations. If you have received this email in error, please advise the sender by reply email, and delete this message. Your co-operation on this matter is highly appreciated. Thank you.
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From duyiwu3r at singnet.com.sg  Tue Sep 28 04:30:11 2004
From: duyiwu3r at singnet.com.sg (Cephas)
Date: Tue Sep 28 04:33:35 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Glibal Business Opportunity In New Industry
Message-ID: <20040928083333.75FB420318C@mail.zope.org>

Dear Business Owner/Professional,
 
I am Cephas Ng, a Singapore based businessman with global businessman operation. Our Company is currently open up a New Industry in the Philippines and globally. We will be traveling and conducting our Global Business previews in the city of Makati, Quezon, Davao and Lipa respectively. Of these the major business preview will be conducted in Makati.
 
If your are open to new business ideas/opportunity and interested and find out more, kindly provide your particular as follow:
 
Name: 
Country/City:
Profession:
Contact No. (HP/Office):
 
We will invite you and revert you with more information.
Hear from you soon??& God Bless!
 
 
Sincerely,
Cephas Ng
Email: duyiwu3r@singnet.com.sg
L88 International Singapore 
 
Disclaimer:
This email, together with any attachments, is intended ONLY for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is legally privileged, confidential, and/or subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, please be informed that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, any attachment, or part thereof is strictly prohibited. Kindly note that Internet communications are not secure, and therefore are susceptible to alterations. If you have received this email in error, please advise the sender by reply email, and delete this message. Your co-operation on this matter is highly appreciated. Thank you.
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From gotcha at bubblenet.be  Wed Sep 29 08:54:18 2004
From: gotcha at bubblenet.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed Sep 29 08:55:26 2004
Subject: [ZPT] I18n mechanism (was Re: Use case not covered for translation
 of message   ids)
In-Reply-To: <415A9486.7030900@bubblenet.be>
References: <cihff0$j1j$1@sea.gmane.org>	<4159693D.7080100@bubblenet.be>	<415970D6.8070201@zope.com>	<200409281109.18599.srichter@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu>	<415982B3.9050802@bubblenet.be>	<41598716.4070309@zope.com>	<41599B3B.7010202@infrae.com>	<4159A560.5060505@zope.com>
	<415A8D0C.7080704@infrae.com> <415A9486.7030900@bubblenet.be>
Message-ID: <415AB07A.5040901@bubblenet.be>

Hi all,

This thread has been begun in zope3-dev where we argue about how and if 
  the strings declared as translatable in Python code should be declared 
again as translatable in ZPT code.

I think we all agree that the following distinction needs to be made :

- on the one hand, we want to explicitely mark which strings could be 
part of a translation mechanism. This has the advantage of being 
explicit and harvestable by tools.

- on the other hand, we want the translation mechanism/decision to be 
centralized and to happen in the presentation layer.



I'd like to sum up my current thinking.

The marking of strings needs to at least include the domain.
We currently do this in Python Code by using Messages instances.

view.msgid=Message('msgid', domain="zope3python", default="Some Text")


We do this in ZPT by specifying an i18n:domain : globally or locally.

I think it would be wrong to rely on each template to decide if the 
translation mechanism is on or off, which language negotiation mechanism 
is to be used and so on. I am trying to say that the i18n;translate is 
just a mark that something could be translated. Without this mark, there 
would be no way to decide which message to translate.

In the current state, we get tricked by the "translate" keyword : this 
makes us think that it is a imperative instruction to translate where it 
is actually a declaration that this string should/could be translated 
when translation occurs. IOW, and for the good, the translation setup is 
made at the application level by choosing to setup translation, by 
choosing a specific translation engine and so on.

I can also express it by saying that in case of translation engine OFF, 
the i18n:translate imperative instruction is wrong as it states that 
translation should happen ;-)

It might have been better to choose something like i18n:translatable.

I propose that we keep the current mechanism where the declaration of 
translatable strings happen in Python code. And the decision of 
translation is made at the ZPT engine level.



The construction hereunder

in Python code :

view.msgid=Message('msgid', domain="zope3python", default="Some Text")

in ZPT code :

<p i18n:domain="zope3zpt" i18n:translate="" 
tal:content="view/msgid">Some text</p>

will currently translate the msgid in the "zope3python" domain. It is, 
in my opinion, wrong : there is an explicit declaration of domain that 
is overridden by an implicit (from the POV of the ZPT programmer) 
declaration in the Python code.

This should use the zope3zpt domain as explicitely stated by the ZPT 
programmer. And even in the following case, the zope3zpt domain should 
be used.

<p i18n:domain="zope3zpt"><span i18n:translate="" 
tal:content="view/msgid">Some text</span></p>

In both cases, the ZPT programmer has made a conscious decision and he 
should rule.



In the case hereunder,

in Python code :

view.msgid=Message('msgid', domain="zope3python", default="Some Text")


in ZPT code :

<p tal:content="view/msgid">Some text</p>


the current mechanism does translate the message id from the zope3python 
domain. Even without i18n marking. This should be kept. The ZPT 
programmer states nothing about the translation of the message id but 
the Python programmer did !

I recall you that the decision to actually translate is made at 
application setup by switching on or off the translation engine. The set 
of available languages in case of translation being also decided upon at 
the engine level (and not at the template level !)


In the following code,

<p i18n:domain="zope3zpt"><span tal:content="view/msgid">Some 
text</span></p>

the msgid should still be translated in the zope3python domain as again 
the ZPT programmer did not express anything about a domain for the msgid.




In case we absolutely want to express "avoid translation" on message ids 
we could introduce i18n:except (or i18n:notranslate or ...) as proposed 
by Martijn.

<span i18n:except="" tal:content="view/msgid">Some text</span>

where the message id would be rendered as its default string.

This is YAGNI in my opinion.


Godefroid Chapelle
From RodrigoyejeeCovington at owh-inc.com  Thu Sep 30 01:58:18 2004
From: RodrigoyejeeCovington at owh-inc.com (Lorena_Villalobos)
Date: Thu Sep 30 02:07:20 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Great News: You are Accepted
Message-ID: <65833.118694.ZZlfwps.5343a@owh-inc.com>

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From ngilbert at cyberway.com.sg  Thu Sep 30 04:14:40 2004
From: ngilbert at cyberway.com.sg (Gilbert Ng)
Date: Thu Sep 30 04:12:27 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Global Business Opportunity In New Industry
Message-ID: <20040930081226.1425420317A@mail.zope.org>

Dear Business Owner/Professional,
 
I am Gilbert Ng, a Singapore based businessman with global business operation. Our Company is currently open up a New Industry in the Philippines and globally. We will be traveling and conducting our Global Business previews in the city of Makati, Quezon, Davao and Lipa respectively. Of these, the major business preview will be conducted in
Makati.
 
If you are open to new business ideas/opportunity and interested to find out more, kindly provide your particular as follow:
 
Name:
Country/City:
Profession:
Contact No. (HP/Office):
 
We will invite you and revert you with more information.
Hear from you soon... & God Bless!

Sincerely,
Gilbert Ng
Email: ngilbert@cyberway.com.sg
Email: ngilbert@L88edc.com
L88 International Singapore
 
Disclaimer:
This email, together with any attachments, is intended ONLY for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is legally privileged, confidential, and/or subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, please be informed that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, any attachment, or part thereof is strictly prohibited. Kindly note that Internet communications are not secure, and therefore are susceptible to alterations. If you have received this email in error, please advise the sender by reply email, and delete this message. Your co-operation on this matter is highly appreciated. Thank you.
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From jaj1994 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 13:29:00 2004
From: jaj1994 at gmail.com (Andy Lim)
Date: Thu Sep 30 13:33:23 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Looking for Business Partner to open up new Industry in
	Philippines, India, China, US, Canada & other countries
Message-ID: <20040930173322.4BBEF20314A@mail.zope.org>

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am Andy Lim, a Businessman from Singapore and we are currently opening up a New Industry in the Philippines & Other Countries. We travel to the Philippines, China, India & other countries to conduct our Global Business Previews frequently.  It's our sincere desire to help as many People to succeed & earn good profits from this New Industry that has Huge Global Market Potential. 

If you are already in Business, this New Industry is another great revenue for your diversification & expansion. If you desire to become an Entreprenuer, we are ready to help & guide you. We welcome you to meet our Business Associates in Philippines to find out more first.

If you are open and interested to find out more, kindly provide us your name, contact number and the location that you are based and we will reply you with an interesting introduction to understand what this new industry is. We await your reply soon.

Thank you so much for reading...God Bless...

Best Regards,
Andy Lim & Joanna Tan (my wife)
Senior Business Associates
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From stephanie at startspot.com  Thu Sep 30 16:31:16 2004
From: stephanie at startspot.com (Stephanie Benes)
Date: Thu Sep 30 16:35:13 2004
Subject: [ZPT] getting at properties from ZPT
Message-ID: <20040930203513.0ED6C20308C@mail.zope.org>

Hi Folks - 

I'm trying to confirm whether or not a keyword exists in a multiple_select
property called keywords in a class called Company from a ZPT page.  Not
sure whether I'm trying to make ZPT do things that it can't. 

Here's what I've got:

<table>     
     <span tal:repeat="cos python:root.Companies.objectValues(['Company'])"
tal:omit-tag="">
            <span tal:define="keys cos/keywords">
             <tr> 
              <td tal:content="cos">CompanyClass Object</td> 
              <td tal:content="keys">Keywords</td>
              <td tal:condition="python:keys=='Oncology'">The Oncology
Keyword is Present</td>
             </tr>
            </span>
     </span>
</table>

This will display the following information:

<CompanyClass at 004> ('Biopharma', 'U.S.') 
<CompanyClass at 001> ('Big Pharma', 'Pharma', 'U.S.', 'Oncology',
'Neuroscience', 'Metabolic') 
<CompanyClass at 002> ('Biopharma', 'U.S.') 
<CompanyClass at 003> ('Big Pharma', 'Pharma', "Int'l", 'Oncology',
'Neuroscience', 'Metabolic') 
<CompanyClass at 005> ('Big Pharma', 'Oncology') 
<CompanyClass at 006>  

What I'm trying to do (eventually) is get at all of the "Companies" in the
Company class that have the keyword 'Oncology' in the keyword property.  

Any help or suggestions would be great!

Thanks.



From contact_tonico at yahoo.de  Thu Sep 30 18:55:30 2004
From: contact_tonico at yahoo.de (Tonico Strasser)
Date: Thu Sep 30 16:56:53 2004
Subject: [ZPT] Re: getting at properties from ZPT
In-Reply-To: <20040930203513.0ED6C20308C@mail.zope.org>
References: <20040930203513.0ED6C20308C@mail.zope.org>
Message-ID: <415C8EE2.8090609@yahoo.de>

Stephanie Benes wrote:
> Hi Folks - 
> 
> I'm trying to confirm whether or not a keyword exists in a multiple_select
> property called keywords in a class called Company from a ZPT page.  Not
> sure whether I'm trying to make ZPT do things that it can't. 
> 
> Here's what I've got:
> 
> <table>     
>      <span tal:repeat="cos python:root.Companies.objectValues(['Company'])"
> tal:omit-tag="">
>             <span tal:define="keys cos/keywords">
>              <tr> 
>               <td tal:content="cos">CompanyClass Object</td> 
>               <td tal:content="keys">Keywords</td>
>               <td tal:condition="python:keys=='Oncology'">The Oncology
> Keyword is Present</td>
>              </tr>
>             </span>
>      </span>
> </table>
> 
[...]
> What I'm trying to do (eventually) is get at all of the "Companies" in the
> Company class that have the keyword 'Oncology' in the keyword property.  
> 

In your example that would be:

   tal:condition="python:'Oncology' in keys"

Tonico

From shyhzlcj at 163.com  Sun Sep 19 21:15:53 2004
From: shyhzlcj at 163.com (shyhzlcj@163.com)
Date: Mon Oct  9 10:53:41 2006
Subject: [ZPT] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20040920011549.4F9AB20309E@mail.zope.org>

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◇封二：￥12000元  ◇彩色整版：￥ 5000元      ◇扉    页：￥12000元    
◇入 场 券：￥3000元/万张（3万张起印）        ◇空飘气球： ￥5000元/期    
◇充气拱门： ￥8000元/期                       ◇手提袋：2万元/1万个
◇代表证：2万元/2万个                          ◇文字介绍：￥ 500元
】参展细则
1、欲参展单位，请填写参展申请表（代合约书）加盖公章后传真或邮寄至组委会。
2、组委会确认参展资格后，参展商应于七日内将参展费汇至大会指定账号。组委会收款后将        通过邮件或传真方式确认展位，
组委会未收到有关费用所定展位不予保留。
3、为保证大会的顺利进行，主办机构有保留更改部分参展商展位的权力；
4、展位分配原则："先申请、先付款、先分配"，双面开口展位加收20%费用。组委会收到参展申请表及参展费用后将于10月1日前寄发
《参展手册》。
】参展办法
 贵单位欲报名参展，请填妥《参展申请及合约》，加盖公章后邮寄或传真至：
地址：上海市漕溪路251弄望族城5号楼20F室    邮编：200235
电话：86-21-64826630  64827889      传真：86-21-64827889-808
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参展申请合约表 
2004年中国（上海）国际花卉园艺展览会
上海光大会展中心                                 2004年11月17-19日       
      本单位认可参展细则，并保证支付各项参展费用，服从大会统一安排。
单 位名 称	中文
	英文
地  址：
电  话：               　传  真：                     邮    编：
法人代表：               展会负责人：                 职  务：       
E-mail：                                  网 址：
租用：□标准展位9m2（3mX3m）     个        号/展 费         □非标准展位6m2（3mX2m）     个        号/展 费            
   □入 场 券：            张/广告费                         □会刊版面：                /认刊费                      
□其    它：                       
费用总额	（大写）                    （小写）￥
收款单位	上海雅辉展览服务有限公司
帐    号	31687400009169089
开 户 行	上海银行漕河泾支行
汇款日期：  此款项将于       年      月     日前汇出
备    注：

参展单位（盖章）：                 负责人（签字）：                日期:              
                                确 认 回 执
上述参展事宜经确认，并具合同效力，双方必须履行其有关责任和义务。请在_  _年   月   日前将以上费用汇入大会指定帐户，
确认意见书                                     组织单位：上海雅辉展览服务有限公司                   组织单位盖章    年 
  月   日

地址：上海市漕溪路251弄望族城5号楼20F室    邮编：200235 

电话：86-21-64827889 64826630        传真：86-21-64827889-808  

联系人：陈晨小姐13901939390