[Grok-dev] Re: RFC: Disable zope.app.rotterdam by default
faassen at startifact.com
Tue Mar 27 08:32:48 EDT 2007
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
> Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
>> Martijn Faassen wrote:
>>> Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
>>>> If Grok should at all come with a standard_macros-style skin, I
>>>> don't think it should be Rotterdam. With its menus (especially the
>>>> add menu) it alludes to a ZMI-like or even content management-y
>>>> thing of which it is neither.
>>>> Per sprint consensus, we should look into making a good-looking but
>>>> very limited admin UI and forget about the "ZMI" (whatever it is
>>>> If there are no objections, I will disable at least the
>>>> zope.app.rotterdam package in grok and grokproject from now on.
>>> +1 from me.
>> Cool. I'll go ahead and do that.
> Sigh, I didn't realize zope.app.rotterdam was actually loaded by
> zope.app/configure.zcml. Gah.
> I think this definitely should be fixed in Zope proper
> (zope.app/configure.zcml should be minimal). We might also want to think
> about doing our own site bootstrapping and forget about
> zope.app/configure.zcml altogether. There's a lot more in
> zope.app/configure.zcml that we can skip (which should make [re]starts
> faster, for example).
> I'll investigate and report back.
Good initiative. This could also become an interesting effort touching
on some current limitations of Zope 3.
Currently, many Zope 3 packages ship with browser views as well as
non-browser configuration. The non-browser configuration we can
typically use just fine, but the browser configuration we cannot (with
some exceptions as widgets) and would prefer to be disabled completely.
Whenever the non-browser configure.zcml does an include of
browser/configure.zcml we have a problem.
We can always provide our own configure.zcml that copies all the ZCML.
This however is a maintenance nightmare in the long run as the
underlying Zope 3 code and its registrations can change. This might lead
us in the direction that was discussed previously - selectively being
able to turn off some registrations. Still, if you had to spell out all
page registrations manually, we'd still have a new, different
Changing the ZCML registrations in Zope 3 so that configure.zcml doesn't
include browser/configure.zcml and so on will be quite a bit of an
effort with risks for backwards compatibility.
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