[Grok-dev] Re: What is Grok anyways... time for a name change? :)
sebastian at urbantalk.se
Mon May 14 09:01:30 EDT 2007
14 maj 2007 kl. 14.41 skrev Martijn Faassen:
> Martin Aspeli wrote:
>>> Grok, the caveman as a subculture. I am not convinced that he
>>> has (already) become a subculture. Grok the caveman is a
>>> metaphor, and he just gives me the wrong associations.
>>> Nonetheless, as an ironic comic strip bashing on the evils in
>>> software development, yeah I think it could become a really cool
>>> thing. As the poster boy of Grok... he might actually be a
>>> problem. :(
>> I disagree that this is a problem. Java has a silly merlin-wizard
>> thing. Linux has a fat penguin. BSD has a devil-looking-thing. Logos
>> that are memorable and personable are more important, in my opinion,
>> than a "I am really corporate and solid" me-too.
> Note also that we're marketing Grok to developers primarily, not to
> corporate/enterprise people. We do this as Grok is an open source
> project, and attracting developers is more important than
> attracting people into "enterprise". Open source projects that
> sound all enterprisey *put off* open source developers. Open source
> developers want to have fun.
Of course, the driving forces behind open-source developers will
vary, but I believe open-source developers want to feel that they are
part of something important. The fun part comes as a bonus.
> Note that for enterpriseyness Grok can also point to Zope, which
> has a foundation, etc, etc. Then, if Grok is successful with
> developers and attracts a critical mass, we'll have a large part of
> the battle for the enterprise already won. That time is the time to
> look into presenting another enterprisey face for Grok.
> That said, that doesn't mean I'm closed to tweaking our message so
> it works better. If a caveman puts off some developers, we can look
> into tweaking the caveman. We should just not forget our current
> primary audience for the message is developers.
I agree. But once somebody wants to use it for real-world projects
there is bound to be a manager involved in the decision making, and
he will want to feel good too about the choice of framework. :)
This is also a matter of emphasis. Whereas we mustn't forget the
managers, they shouldn't be emphasised too much. (Remember that for
each manager one can evangelise, there are a couple of developers
that could potentially contribute on payed time)
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