[Grok-dev] Re: grok.zope.org design proposal (ok, kill me...)
faassen at startifact.com
Mon May 28 09:15:59 EDT 2007
Hey Martin and Sebastian,
Some response to this feedback (belatedly):
Martin Aspeli wrote:
> My ten-second impression/constructive criticism:
> - layout is professional
> - structure ("tracks") are good, clear
Agreed. Still I prefer 'contribute' to 'share', myself.
> - Way, way too little contrast on buttons and headings
Agreed. Let's up the contrast dramatically. A bit more colorful wouldn't
hurt, I think.
> - Text size/layout is fine, though there seems to be a bit too much
> variation in the font sizes used
I think text size a notch higher wouldn't hurt, actually. It makes the
text seem less dense.
> Some deeper points:
> - The inclusion of the caveman is too superficial. As I said before, I
> *like* the logo, and the concept permeates the documentation and
> examples. Let's build him in, not make him an afterthought
+10. I agree the caveman needs to be there, in full color. We risk
losing playfulness. That's why I'm for more colors and more cavemen. :)
> - We need one caveman message. The way it's presented now, it says
> "cavemen are stupid, this is where we try to dumb it down", which I
> think is broadly negative. I'd rather we didn't attach so much meaning
> to it, and just went with the theme as something light-hearted, personally.
I actually like the 'Who is Grok' section on the current homepage quite
a bit. Caveman with a giant club, simple description of who he is. Makes
people enjoy the theme right away, and they come into mailing list
and/or IRC channel like: ME GROK HELLO!
This is *good*. We should keep it. I think it's better than "Wait a
minute, who is the caveman?" which makes it a bit of an afterthought.
On the about page on the current site we have:
"Grok appeals to the caveman or woman in all of us. Cavemen, like us
programmers, want powerful and flexible tools. Cavemen are great at
tools after all; they invented the whole concept of them. But cavemen,
and we, also want our tools to be simple and effective.
Cavemen want tools like clubs: a club is powerful, flexible (you can
bash in anything, mash potatoes too) and also simple and effective. Zope
3 is already powerful and flexible. Grok aims to make it simpler and
more effective, for beginners and experienced developers alike. Grok:
now even cavemen can use Zope 3."
I think this is better than the text on the new site in the "Wait a
> - Similarly, the logo and branding seems to be "Grok Zope 3". I'm not
> sure we all agreed on that, and it's a decision that at least we ought
> to vote on a few different proposals for - for the final version of
> course, I realise you've just gone with what you have.
I wanted to bring this up so it's good somebody else did. I'll reply to
further discussion on this when I feel I need to. :)
> All in all, I think you're doing a great job, and I'm very impressed by
> your dedication and enthusiasm. :)
Very much agreed! This work is awesome!
I am happy with Martin's criticisms too as he's pretty well channeling
my own intended comments. :)
More information about the Grok-dev