[Grok-dev] Re: Admin UI name change suggestion
Philipp von Weitershausen
philipp at weitershausen.de
Fri Oct 5 06:00:05 EDT 2007
Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
>>> * It is not clear to me how you would delete the grok.Application and
>>> re-add it again during development. It is something you do all the
>>> time., esp. in the beginning of the development cycle. This also
>>> touches the issue of intergrating your grok.Application with other
>>> Zope-3 based software.
>> We could simply add a view for grok.Applications, e.g. /recreate, that
>> would delete the object and create a new one. *That* I think is easily
> You'd get rid of the UI in favor of a /recreate view? We have a UI. It
> can show broken objects. It can install multiple applications. You can
> click to the introspector. You want to throw it out completely
No. I want to refactor it.
Your tone suggests that I'm willing to sacrifice everything we've worked
for on for this idea. That's not true. First of all I wouldn't suggest
these changes if I didn't think the outcome was worth it. And second,
I'm nowhere suggesting to degrade in functionality. I just want Grok to
make a beginner choice for you.
> in favor of ad-hoc approaches. Why?
> > The multiple apps use case is for us experts.
> That doesn't make any sense at all to me. You're saying people can't
> install multiple applications into a UI?
No they *can*. But so far I've yet to find a single person who wanted to
do that when they were learning Grok.
> You need to be an expert to do this? You're proposing to make
> something that's *easy* now hard and only for exports for which reasons exactly?
I think misunderstood me.
> Grok is based on Zope. Zope has been able to do this for a decade or so.
> To me, you're proposing to go backwards because other frameworks can't
> do this.
No. I think I was pretty clear about the reasons why I brought it up. It
confused people. I nowhere said that I want to do this because other
people can't do what we can.
By the way, other frameworks *can* do it. Using Paste, for instance.
> I'm fine with supporting this scenario for deployment. I'm fine even
> with making it *possible* for beginners to just install the application
> directly. But I don't want to dump our UI, and I don't want to make
> installing multiple applications harder. I like there being a web-based
> UI for doing things; I got the impression people early on actually were
> won over to Zope because the ZMI was cool.
Possibly. I agree with the fact that we shouldn't make things harder. I
know we have a UI. We don't necessarily have to give that up.
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