[Grok-dev] Re: Template pluggability and megrok.genshi finished.

Tres Seaver tseaver at palladion.com
Wed Oct 10 11:02:22 EDT 2007

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Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Tres Seaver wrote:
> [snip]
>> Amen.  Note that I think Grok's "scaling up" story (for team size) may
>> need attention in other places, too. E.g., Grok doesn't encourage TDD at
>> the moment, which I consider crucial for multi-person development. 
> You're probably right. I think in part we're a reaction to Zope 3 here, 
> which seems to make solo developer stories harder than it needs to be. 
> We shouldn't lose track about scaling up to larger amounts of 
> developers, however.
> I've changed my mind on generating test skeleton code with grokproject, 
> as we're not making progress on making testing easier very quickly. So 
> my +1 for Luciano adding such code to grokproject.

That helps.  We probably need to extend some of the tutorials, as well
(or add some) to show people how to get started testing after running

>> The whole "take over the root" discussion seems to be likewise driven by
>> "solo developer" notions, as well.
> Could you elaborate?

I consider the "take over the root" use case to be aimed at solo
developers:  they don't need or want to think about any machinery
outside the application, including use cases like adding test / staging
instances, or mixing multiple applications within a single appserver.
Such use cases are more interesting when the project gets "bigger,"

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