[Grok-dev] Re: maintaining the Grok website
optilude at gmx.net
Tue Sep 18 15:59:14 EDT 2007
>>> * we explore the use of a CMS. I know Sebastian is building one with
>>> Grok. Darryl has one too. Then we probably have enough people on board
>>> with knowledge of two Zope 2 CMSes: Plone and Silva, so those are
>>> options too. The latter options are attractive as they're more
>>> feature-rich than the Grok-based ones.
>> Please don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're mad to want to
>> invent a new CMS in Grok. If a great one existed already, of course
>> that'd be good. Having a project that community was vested in will also
>> help you maintain it and keep it up to date (like plone.org does to
>> Plone, PloneHelpCenter and PloneSoftwareCenter). But this really stinks
>> of NIH.
> I think you took me the wrong way entirely. You seem to be forgetting
> that I was lead developer on the Silva *CMS* for years? It's pretty
> amusing you are arguing with me that using a CMS has its advantages. :)
I wasn't arguing with you, Martijn, at least I didn't realise it. :)
> I don't think anyone is mad for wanting to create a new CMS with Grok.
No, no, neither do I ...
> It's not like the final CMS has been written and nobody can write a new
> one anymore, after all. I think you actually agree, you just express
> yourself badly. :)
Right - I think that's the case. My argument was about the website only,
not about the use of Grok in general, though I realise upon re-reading
it that it didn't quite sound that way. My point was more - don't spent
lots of time right now inventing a solution when one already exists, and
when you have an immediate need for a website.
> There are already two projects to create a CMS for Grok. We can
> definitely explore using them, right?
Yep, of course. But to my knowledge, none of them are complete, tested
or "owned" by the community, at this point, and you're seeking a website
solution now, not in six or twelve months. Having a more maintable
website now will ultimately make it more likely that the Grok CMS'
evolve quicker, if Grok gets more uptake.
> Yes, indeed. As I wrote:
> >> Then we probably have enough people on board
> >> with knowledge of two Zope 2 CMSes: Plone and Silva, so those are
> >> options too. The latter options are attractive as they're more
> >> feature-rich than the Grok-based ones.
> I don't think your rather heavy-handed Plone advocacy was really
> appropriate here.
Apologies - I didn't realise it would cause offence, that certainly
wasn't my intention.
Acquisition is a jealous mistress
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