[Grok-dev] Re: Grok 1.0 and beyond

Tres Seaver tseaver at palladion.com
Fri Jan 4 16:22:08 EST 2008

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Dirceu Pereira Tiegs wrote:
> On Jan 4, 2008 2:27 PM, Sebastian Ware <sebastian at urbantalk.se> wrote:
>> 4 jan 2008 kl. 16.17 skrev Wichert Akkerman:
>>> Previously Luciano Ramalho wrote:
>>>> Philipp's Todo list and my earliest experiments, AnimalTree and
>>>> Adder,
>>>> show that doing toy apps in Grok is really easy. During the
>>>> PloneConf,
>>>> Andy McKay told me just that: all he sees are these trivial toy apps
>>>> demoing Grok. How about some exciting stuff? Well, it turns out doing
>>>> anything more exciting is quite hard in Grok, because of the need to
>>>> find, understand, and combine lots of Zope 3 parts.
>>> I agree. One thing that would be useful is to have a set of optional
>>> add-on products for grok that implement common features. For example I
>>> would love to see a megrok.authentication that I could plug into all
>>> grok applications. LoginDemo could then just be a trivial demo which
>>> only loads grok and megrok.authentication and does nothing else.
>>> Wichert.
>> I was helped a lot by hurry.query and hurry.workflow. Without these I
>> would probably have abandoned Grok early on. Maybe more "helper
>> components" such as these are a solution. IMHO we don't want core Grok
>> to grow too much.
> +1, but I think some of these "helper components" could ship with Grok
> (perhaps by making grokproject download and install them).

- -1 to expanding the core.  Note that if we make 'easy_install' a
first-class citizen in the Grok world (see Noah's problems earlier this
week), then we don't need or want to jam such helpers in the core:  they
are a 'bin/easy_install <helper>' awa (in the virtualenv case).

This is where virtualenv / easy_install shine:  you can install a thing,
try it out, etc. with near zero effort.

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