[Grok-dev] Caveman style articles

Aroldo Souza-Leite asouzaleite at gmx.de
Wed Jan 9 09:28:44 EST 2008

Hi Mike,

I've been thinking of starting a new incarnation by molesting the world 
with a Python biased, Grok friendly blog, but reluctance overwhelms me 
at present. My problem is that my over-intellectualised vita (lots of 
Latin and ancient Greek, no footbal (soccer) in spite of my 
Brazilian/German background), added to my insufficient technical 
background, makes it difficult to find the right tone for a blog that 
really helps promoting Grok. Thank's a lot for the response. Let's go on 

Meanwhile, I wonder: your article (http://linuxgazette.net/115/orr.html) 
doesn't mention Grok explicitly among the plethora of Python web 
frameworks.  Is the Grok community's ambition to make a Component 
Architecture accessible to Brian by clubbing down all that grew 
unpythonic in Zope a topic for you? Do you think it's enough said just 
to count Grok implicitly as one of "several advanced Zope add-ons"?.



Mike Orr wrote:
> On Jan 8, 2008 5:07 AM, Noah Gift <noah.gift at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Aroldo Souza-Leite wrote:
>>> Hi list,
>>> just in case somebody overlooked this article, like I almost did:
>>> http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2008/01/wilfz_what_i_learned_from_zope_1.html
>>> Let's call it an article written in the genuine Caveman style.
>>> Perhaps one needs to have worked as a bouncer to learn this
>>> straightforward language. Hey, Noah, can you give us a few hints?
>> While I was an undergrad, I had to take Organic Chemistry over the
>> summer, and I needed money.  I got a job during day at the library in
>> the collections and development department, and at night I worked as a
>> bouncer.  It was really a strange summer getting into scraps and
>> coming home covered in blood and beer at times, and then showering up
>> to work at the library, and then finally off to lab for a few
>> experiments.
>> Mike Orr looks pretty tough, I think he should do a Caveman style
>> article:  http://linuxgazette.net/115/orr.html  I have CC'd him.  I
>> think he would look good in a caveman suite.
> Haha, I did write a kind of a caveman-style article once.
> http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/orr.html
> You'd have to be familiar with Linux Gazette to understand some of the
> jokes.  Woomert Foonly and Frink Ooblick are a Holmes-and-Watson pair
> who solve problems with Perl one-liners.  So I wrote an article about
> a Perl-Python rivalry with an uppity third character.
>>> Shouldn't the Grok site have a place with links to selected Caveman
>>> style articles like this one?
> A caveman page would be cool.  But I don't use Grok (just Pylons), so
> it would have to be a page not limited to that.  Because there's a
> larger issue of the gulf between computer geeks and, er,
> testosterone-driven guys.  Sometimes I feel so out of place in
> computer groups, and wish there were more people I could share my
> other interests with.
> So you know about MMA and worked with Liddell, that's cool.  I have a
> friend who grew up between two marine bases in North Carolina; he'd
> done aikido and karate for thirty years.  When he was 15 he was a
> bouncer at a bar, and he'd have to take care of these unruly marines.
> These guys would think they're invincible, and he'd have them on the
> ground wimpering to their buddies to just leave quietly.
> Another Python caveman is Titus Brown (http://ivory.idyll.org/blog).
> His latest blog title is: "It's not the lines of code, dummy."  He's a
> delight to hear at a talk or in person.  For instance, he wrote a
> program to test web pages easily (Twill).  So at the end of a talk he
> said: "Now there's no excuse for not writing tests for your web apps.
> So unless you're bigger than me, you'd better write tests by this time
> next year or I'm gonna find you and kick your ass."
> As for how to do it, it's part physical and part mental.  The physical
> part is obvious: join a boxing class or wrestling class, run
> regularly, etc.  Being in shape and well-coordinated and knowing self
> defense are valuable throughout your life, especially by keeping you
> healthier in old age.    The mental part is giving yourself permission
> to be confident and cocky.  This was normal all throughout history
> until the 1960s, when wimpiness became a virtue.  (Radical feminism
> played a large part in this societal change.)    Now things are
> pulling back because you can't suppress guys' aggressive energy
> forever.  Thus the rise of MMA.
> I just thought of a slogan for the page.  "Cavemen: putting the 'Py'
> in the face."

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