[Grok-dev] Python UK meeting and Django

David Bain david.bain at alteroo.com
Tue May 6 18:39:34 EDT 2008

To follow on the meme of being "for users"... I got sucked into Zope due to
the whole zclasses TTW thing. It was only with archetypes and later
archgenxml that I started to become productive on the filesystem development
thing. Grok is way easier, but doesn't have all the cool toys that
Plone/Zope now has, this will change and I predict that I will begin to use
more Grok to solve all those non CMS problems that I'm now solving with

My 2 pence.

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Peter Bengtsson <peter at fry-it.com> wrote:

> I'm a little drunk as I'm writing this as the majority of tonights
> Python UK meetup happened at the pub.
> I held a quick talk about Grok which went fine. I was supposed to do a
> demo that shows how it works but because my stupid KDE failed on me I
> had to do a unprepared talk which, in retrospect, I'm happy with.
> The only question I had to answer was "What about ZCML?". I replied
> "At the 5 day sprint I got back from yesterday I only wrote on single
> line of ZCML" to which Tim Cooper asked jokingly, "And how long was
> that one line?"
> Jacob Kaplan Moss then held a longer talk about the history and
> success of Django. At the questions and answers afterwards I asked one
> of the questions:
> "What key thing do you think made Django so successful?"
> His answer was rather long but never mentioned a single hint about
> features or technology but primarily about how they prioritized the
> community adaptation. As he knew I was there to represent Zope he said
> "I respect what you've done with Grok but I think Zope is for
> developers whereas Django is for users".
> I'm tempted to exit at that but I think it's a point worth taking on
> board if we want to regain the traction we had when zope2 was hot. Or
> is that already what we're doing?
> --
> Peter Bengtsson,
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