[Grok-dev] Re: Python UK meeting and Django
faassen at startifact.com
Wed May 7 14:39:15 EDT 2008
Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:
> Am 07.05.2008 um 15:19 schrieb Martijn Faassen:
>> My worry is that if you set up a fund to do marketing and
>> documentation you separate it from the community too much, and take
>> away from the community the responsibility of having to care about
>> these topics. I'm convinced that we, as developers of the platform,
>> need to care about attracting people to our platform (where we can
>> call these people "users" or "developers").
> In fact there is an other problem with a fund. We had a fund in the DZUG
> to improve the documentation on zope.de, but we never found someone, who
> wanted to do it. ;-)
Yes, actually getting people to write things is hard in my experience as
> So a too general fund might not work at all.
> A better approach is to raise a fund for a special project, which only
> can be done with a certain amount of work, which exceeds the usual
> voluntary work.
That's a good idea.
>> Writing documentation also helps you think about how things can be
>> done better. If something is hard to explain, it may be a what we're
>> trying to explain is too inconsistent or complicated. If it's hard to
>> convince people to use our stuff, that means we might need improve our
>> stuff, too! Having a separate group of people do this may lead to a
>> disconnect that shouldn't be there.
> This is a good point. Perhaps we lack documentation because Zope is too
> hard to explain. ;-)
> No serious.
Actually I consider the "Zope is hard to explain" issue as quite
serious. Some bits of Zope 2 and Zope 3 and Grok are difficult to
explain. Part of the thing Grok tries to do is to make Zope 3 easier to
> I hope that you understand that I do not want to separate
> the documentation and marketing efforts from the community. That would
> be bad. All efforts paid or voluntary should be rooted in the community.
Understood, I think you have some good suggestions here. The
project-based funding makes sense to me.
Now we only need to find the funds. :)
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