[ZDP] BackTalk to Document The Zope Book (2.5 Edition)/Introducing Zope

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  This chapter explains what Zope is and who it's for. It describes in
  broad strokes what you can do with Zope. You also learn about the
  differences between Zope and other web application servers.

    % Anonymous User - May 27, 2002 5:06 pm:
     The second sentence should read:

     You _will_ also learn about the differences between Zope and other web application servers.

    % Anonymous User - June 28, 2002 8:56 pm:
     I've heard good things about Zope.

     Plone looks cool.

     I would really like to be able to use this product - but the SLOW PERFORMANCE of the zope.org site forces me
     to say no.
     I'm going through this site at 6pm (PST) on a Friday night, and it is dog slow. In addition, I can tell from
     the dates on the comments that overall traffic is not too heavy.
     As a business person, I can tell you that this product will never be as successfull as others out there
     unless performance is improved DRAMATICALLY.

    % mcdonc - June 28, 2002 9:12 pm:
     That was probably me. I was copying large chunks of the Zope Book around and generally otherwise giving
     Zope.org a workout. Sorry..
     I wouldn't necessarily judge Zope solely on the performance of Zope.org at any given time. There is no other
     website I know about that lets psuedoanonymous people *write and run their own code* on the website itself. Lots
     of people write bad code. ;-) It's not really the framework's fault. It's intended as more of a demonstration
     of the flexibility and security of Zope rather than the raw speed of Zope. Also, FWIW, the comment dates mean
     very little. Zope.org does a much more than just serve this book. There are over 20,000 discrete pieces of
     content in this site, many of which are writable (not just readable).
     Note also that the largest known Zope cluster has serviced peak load of 900 requests per second. I think this
     is a good indicator that Zope is fast enough for almost anything, given the right setup and environment.
     It's quite understandable to want to judge Zope based on Zope.org, but you'd help yourself by doing a bit
     more research before jumping to any conclusions.

    % mcdonc - June 28, 2002 9:14 pm:
     One other thing: if you think Friday night isn't "geek night" for Zopists who use Zope.org, I'd have to
     disagree. ;-)

    % Anonymous User - July 27, 2002 11:56 pm:
     Yup (in regards to perfomance). I'm admining a site that on a single 200mz (actually 233 underclocked to 200
     for stability) debian box , running Zope for multiple department squishdot's and the wiki's (awesome intranet
     tool!) , acting as an appletalk fileserver for over thirty machines, email, and even a covert tinymush
     server(!) and trust me, Zope is the least of my worries. It gets pounded constantly by departmental dudes
     whacking stuff on and off all day. It don't even blink. As to learning Python, don't worry! Theres a tutorial
     in the standard python distro that'll have you up to scratch in an afternoon. It's that easy!

    % Anonymous User - Aug. 16, 2002 6:21 pm:
     I have about 500 hits per second on a songle IIS site. 1 processor - no tuning - no cluster. I use ZOPE and I
     like it: But more performance would be very apreciated.

    % Anonymous User - Aug. 17, 2002 8:44 pm:
     Does somewhere exist a detailed profiling analysis for zope? I mean relly detailed so we could have a look at
     bottlenecks... on the other side Zope IS fast and doing the profiling shouldn't be so difficult.

    % Anonymous User - Sep. 30, 2002 9:50 am:
     Comments are cool, but maybe you guys could move them to a separate section or just rotate them and display
     one or two at the top of the page or something. I get tired of reading peeps arguing about grammar and
     rhetoric and what people think about the site and the product. I am interested in getting an overall picture
     of what Zope can do and how Zope does it. The comments (constructive criticism) are mostly distracting and
     are really meant for the webmaster(s) or Zope developers anyway.