[ZDP] BackTalk to Document Zope Developer's Guide (2.4 edition)/Introduction

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  This guide is intended to document Zope for the second audience,
  developers, as defined above.  If you fit more into the "user"
  audience defined above, you'll probably want to start by reading
  "The Zope Book":http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/ .  If
  you fit more into the "administrator" audience defined above,
  you'll likely be interested in "The Zope Administrator's
  Guide":http://www.zope.org/DocProjects/AdminGuide, although it
  is currently unfinished.

    % Anonymous User - Oct. 23, 2003 10:19 pm:
     Then why don't you come up with the examples and contribute them?

    % Anonymous User - Oct. 26, 2003 2:54 am:
     Is there a cross reference system for all this literature somewhere? A system
     in which I look up say "tal:content" and find links to appropriate places in
     The Zope Book, How-tos, ZDG, etc.?
     Tom Snell

    % Anonymous User - Nov. 29, 2003 6:40 pm:
     Great. So in order to create a web page with this, we now need YET another programming language on a system,
     and need to learn YET ANOTHER scripting language.
     Why isn't Python used in more places than - say - Perl, PHP, Java, C, or C++? In short, Python Blows Monkey
     Chunks. I don't want to use a lisp-like language with some Perl and C functionality thrown every now and then
     in what they perceive as "objects".
     Python, Perl, and other scripting languages should be thrown back into the dark abysmal holes from which
     their prototyped shells came from. Who in their right mind is going to use a Python-based web -APPLICATION-
     server on their box? And pay for it?
     The only reason people are using this is because no one is paying for it. And if they DID have to pay for it,
     they wouldn't buy it. Web application developers are mainly looking for ways to get to market quickly, and
     looking for a larger ROI. Now, we're forced to learn another language, another convoluted, mish-mashed way of
     putting something together, and hoping and praying to God that our code works, and works every time. EVERY
     Products like these are only free if your time has no value. This goes for ANY Open Source software in
     general. There's no throat to choke when something breaks. You hope and pray that someone will fix the
     problem - or at least post a work-around - when you encounter one. I wish all of you luck in your pursuits
     with Zope.

    % Anonymous User - Dec. 18, 2003 1:05 pm:
     I'm not 100% sharing your point of view, but you've got a point : using Zope means learning 2 news languages
     for Zope-newbie : python and dtml.
     Why not using something more common - more user friendly? Python looks like COBOL.

    % Anonymous User - Dec. 18, 2003 8:52 pm:
     Sigh.  Python looks as much like COBOL as you look like you know what you're talking about.

    % Anonymous User - Mar. 5, 2004 1:40 pm:
     Useless comments just clog up space. I like reading these comments, but only if they are useful. Criticizing
     Zope, Python, and Open-Source in general is not useful. If you don't like it, don't read it.

    % Anonymous User - Mar. 5, 2004 1:59 pm:
     Folks, the only proper response to a troll is *THWACK*!

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