Thanks to Tim's hint, all tests pass with Python 2.5 (and 2.4) now. I've made a new release of 3.8 with these changes and the changes have also been merged to the trunk. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:jim at zope.com Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714 http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org