[Zope-CMF] CMF or Plone Applications?

David Pratt fairwinds at eastlink.ca
Sun Dec 19 17:56:33 EST 2004

I found a thread that seemed pretty strong about the potential 
incorporation of Archetypes into CMF 1.5 but it seemed unresolved since 
there are a couple of schema based products and eventually there will 
be the Zope3 schemas.  So not really sure what happened or what is the 
status or whether anyone has hints somewhere on removing the Plone 

In any case, I have spent much of the day starting my tableless CMF 
default main_template.  It is going well but I see where I will need to 
start coding if I want some some functionality back on a couple of 
things. Oh well, it's going to have to be done but I am focusing on 
critical stuff and improve as I go along.

Also the other thing I am encountering is the immediate loss of CSS 
caching.  The nouvelle skin has an example of using base properties 
with dtml CSS which I am following  - along with default table zpl, 
removing tables and making divs, adding my own peices, etc but nothing 
there for caching.  Anyway all I want is a skins product with all files 
on the filesystem but the CSS will need to be cached.  Will have to 
look into this or maybe someone's got an obvious answer. It's just that 
I haven't had to worry about it before.  I know I will need to add a 
cache manager but beyond that haven't investigated.

One thing is for sure.  I feel like I should have done this a while 
ago.  I am sure I will have a better idea of what I have got in the 
end.  Maybe there is a group of like-minded folks and we can put a CMF 
default Archetypes product of all the hacked pieces together to a ZPL 
product that could work  (if someone has not done this already).  It 
seems sort of sad and maybe it is to even consider it over licensing 
issues - but it would be good to have the functionality even if it adds 
some weight to CMF for situations when you need it.   It is still one 
less thing than with Plone added too and could fit the bill for clients 
where GPL is no go situation.


On Sunday, December 19, 2004, at 01:59 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote:

> David Pratt wrote at 2004-12-18 20:26 -0400:
>> ...
>> But when I think Plone on top of CMF on top of
>> Zope I like the goal of just CMF on top of Zope with Archetypes.
> Archetypes has minor Plone dependancies. And new releases
> tend to add new ones...
> It is not a big problem but Archetypes changes are usually necessary
> to get it working in a Plone-less setup.
> By the way, Archetypes has an essential dependancy on the 
> "CMFQuickInstaller"
> which is GPL, too.
> I will soon have to tackle this problem -- either by removing
> the dependancy or by implementing a dummy "portal_quickinstaller".
> -- 
> Dieter

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