[Zope-dev] [Fwd: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 learning curve?]

[Chris Withers]

Don't think I was the _only_ intended recipient for this ;-)

cheers,

Chris

Lennart Regebro wrote:
> 
> From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> > Lennart Regebro wrote:
> 
> > > I think there is no doubt that Zope 3 will have a higher learner
> threshold
> > > than Zope 2. After all, you can just compare the Zope 3 tutorial with
> the
> > > BoringProduct explanation. There will be more things to understand
> before
> > > you can make a complete product.
> >
> > If that _is_ true, then Zope 3 _will_ fail.
> 
> Not at all. Even if it takes a day or two to create a product for Zope 3
> that is not a problem. That is just raising the initial learning step to
> what any other environment has.
> 
> From: "Hannu Krosing" <hannu@tm.ee>
> > Does most VisualBasic developers _really_ understand VisualBasic ?
> 
> Probably not. But actually, how long does it take to learn how to create a
> product in visial basic? It sure isn't as fast as for Zope 2.
> 
> Remember, i'm talking about the initial step here. Not how long it takes to
> be *great* at it, but how long it takes before you can create a simple
> product.
> 
> Ken Manheimer <klm@zope.com>
> > I think the Zope 3 tutorial gets you seriously acquainted with a
> > significant portion of the Zope 3 architecture, as well as its use, and i
> > don't have the impression that the BoringProduct explanation equips you
> > near as well to understand the Zope 2 architecture.  I may be wrong,
> > though (i'm in transit, can't check right now).
> 
> Thats absolutely true, but at the same time, you do need to have some hum of
> the things the Zope3 tutorial teaches to be able to create a product. You
> need to know what an interface is, and you need to understand what you must
> have in the XML description and so on.
> 
> > Still, i believe that
> > many people find Zope 2 more difficult than it could be, and that Zope 3
> > as a system is *much* more comprehensible than Zope 2 - more regular and
> > clean - and that will make all the difference in the world.
> 
> I agree 100%. If the initial step is 2 hours or two days doesn't make much
> difference. Only computer journalists demand that you should be able to get
> started in no time. Everybody else understands the need for understanding
> before you can do something serious.