[Zope-dev] RFC: Site -> Locus

Roger Ineichen dev at projekt01.ch
Thu May 28 11:00:54 EDT 2009

Hi Martjin

> Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site -> Locus
> Roger Ineichen wrote:
> [snip]
> > The site offers a SiteManagementFolder, SiteManagerContainer and a 
> > LocalSiteManager.
> > 
> > The SiteManagementFolder by default installed as ['default'] is 
> > absolutly useless and obsolate since the last refactoring.
> > It's just a container, earlier it was a kind of namespace.
> Yes, with Grok we've been installing directly in the 
> SiteManagementContainer (which contains the folder, if I got 
> my terminology right). We can't just get rid of this though, 
> as it would break a lot of existing ZODBs.
> [snip]
> > Just refactoring zope.site and move the same packages 
> arround because 
> > of dependencies is in my point of view the wrong thing. We need to 
> > define wich package will offer which parts of the hole site 
> concept. 
> > otherwise it could be useless if at the end all packages get used 
> > together in 99% of all Zope projects.
> Of course if we make such a separation each end needs to be 
> useful for something.
> > What do you like to use independently from each other which is now 
> > assembled as a unit in zope.site?
> One use case I have is that I want to be able to write tests 
> that just deal with site management without pulling in a lot. 
> I have done this with hacked up code now in both z3c.saconfig 
> and hurry.custom.

I don't know this packages, but I agree, simpler testing setup 
is a great use case

> The other use case I have is that I want to write packages 
> that just need to be able to set the site or get the site and 
> shouldn't need to care about, or depend on, zope.container at all.

Probably a rare use case or could become imporant if we use other
patterns then the container traversal pattern. Do you have some
ideas of using a contianer less traversal pattern?

Roger Ineichen

> Regards,
> Martijn
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