[ZWeb] Re: [Zope3-dev] [OT?] zope.org
Sidnei da Silva
Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:58:09 -0200
On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 10:17:55AM -0200, Sidnei da Silva wrote:
| | Andy McKay wrote [about the Zope3 newsletter]:
| | >Great, could this be going on Zope.org instead of the never updated Zope
| | >News?
| | Whatever happened to new.zope.org?
| | Chris [Withers]
| I will post my comments later on this.
Well, its been one week since I said I would comment on this. Ive been
talking with some people here and there and came up with this. Please
excuse-me from the long post, but theres a real need to clarify the
As Kapil mentioned, 'its in the works'.
I've been talking with people from ZC since early
June, when Paul hadnt leaved to EuroZope yet. And
I've been involved with NZO since March.
A little bit of history:
As you can see, its been a looooong time since
this started, and just to point out, the NZO
Odyssey (as I like to call it) started far far
back, in middle 2001. Here is a link to the
oldproject wiki, called ZopeOrgCollaborationEnhancement:
After Sept 2001, the projectstalled, apparently
because the guy who was in charge of this project
left ZC and no one was able to take over from
where he stopped.
Around late Feb 2002, Paul tried to get the
project going again by calling the community to
help creating skin mockups and integrating this
with a sandbox setup that was living on:
As you can see, that address doesnt even resolve
anymore. A lot of people joined the project and
were actually contributing, but we had trouble
because the box was firewalled, no one had access
to it and some day the box got down for around 10
days with no one to bring it up again.
By this time, I was getting bored of working on
NZO, because we had a working sandbox setup, but
we had to wait for ZC to migrate the content to
the new setup (with CMF 1.2 and Zope2.5) but
unfortunately everyone at ZC was very busy working
on customer projects. Then I've set up a NZO
sandbox at my server:
(its slow like hell, but still up). Ausum is
still working on it and I think its the only
person besides me that is actually working on NZO
In late July 2002, Paul was about to leave ZC to
head EuroZope, and I was afraid that NZO could
fall into complete stagnation without him leading
the effort. Then spoke with Paul about this and he
forwarded me to Rob Page, CEO and President of ZC.
And now, what is going on?
Well, from then on, I got access to a box with a
copy of Zope.org and wrote a series of Proposals
and Use Cases, Milestone Plans, and all this
things that are common on a project as big as
this. Some of this documentation can be found
Other parts are being kept private between me
and Rob cause he wanted to assemble a complete
Project Plan before investing on NZO. By this
time, he is reviewing my latest Milestones list,
which has an estimative of around 2 months to get
NZO online, with Zope2.6, CMF1.3, CMFBacktalk,
ZWiki 0.11 and all the bells and whistles, plus
around 45 days to build a skin for NZO.
******** Heads up! this part is interesting :) ***********
Last week, Guido pronounced his oppinion
about NZO on an email to Zope3-dev mailing list:
From this point I started discussing the future
of NZO with Guido and he volunteered to be the
leading man inside ZC for the NZO Project. Rob
agreed with this and Guido is going to start when
he gets back from his Geek Cruise (yummy!).
Well, thats basically it. Its a long story, and
it hasnt ended yet. Theres a long path yet and a
lot of man hours involved to get this done, as
Paul pointed out on the Zope-web mailing list. And
working with a company as big as ZC is not
easy. They have a bazillion projects going at the
same time and its difficult to get their attention
as fast as we want, but *I hope* that things will
behave accordingly and after all we can get NZO
around the corner and make Zope grow 10x like Paul
envisioned last December.
Long live Zope!
Sidnei da Silva (dreamcatcher) <email@example.com>
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