Fwd: [ZWeb] http://zope.org/Documentation/Guides/

Mark mark at zopemag.com
Sun Aug 22 14:46:14 EDT 2004

This is the second repost of an email that doesn't look like it made it 
to this list ....

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> From: Mark <mark at zopemag.com>
> Date: August 21, 2004 10:33:39 PM CEST
> To: Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [ZWeb] http://zope.org/Documentation/Guides/
> Hello Chris,
> On Aug 21, 2004, at 6:52 PM, Chris Withers wrote:
>> Mark wrote:
>>>> Are the "guides" in that folder even linked to from anywhere?
>>> Yes. They are in more places (such as wikis) than anyone here knows 
>>> about. And that's exactly the problem.
>> I'd prefer to delete the crud, and fix anything resulting in 
>> complaints.
>> Seems preferable to me than just having the complaints ;-)
> I'd like to have a copies to study at a later date.
>>> Quick of off the top example:
>>> http://www.zope.org/Documentation/
>> That's one of the pages I think should just plain die as described in 
>> another mail. Looking at the site structure, the pages linked to from 
>> categories in the left nav don't really add anything other than a 
>> support burden. I'd prefer to see the categories as just unlinked 
>> bold text. I think that would add to the readability of the left-nav 
>> to boot.
> I disagree and am working with Morten to revise it.
>>> I appreciate you think you are on a roll here but Zope.org
>> I don't think I'm on a roll, I'm just acting on problems rather than 
>> talking about acting on problems ;-)
> Well since I'm doing more than talking and have been sending emails 
> back and forth with Morten, Graffling (generating PDFs) and Morten is 
> now busy working on mockups -- I don't know who or what your talking 
> about. I'd like to point out that besides my day job I'm busy moving 
> this month.
>>> has been a mess for a long time now we have the time to take our 
>>> time and actually doing some planning.
>> I disagree. Zope.org has been a mess for far too long. It's 
>> embarassing.  Rather than talking about organising groups to discuss 
>> how the process of updating things should work and generating reams 
>> of red tape that will only be waded through by one or two people, I'd 
>> prefer to just see people pitching in as and when they can and slowly 
>> working towards a leaner site, that's easy to maintain and only 
>> contains relevent, up-to-date information in one place, that makes 
>> sense, and is marked as historical if it still needs to be around but 
>> is no longer the newest available.
> Look Chris, do what the f*$k you want. I volunteered to help with the 
> docs -- so did Morten. We are trying to think about structure and 
> trying to get it right. If you think you can do it better using your 
> fire and forget approach -- knock yourself out.  Too many cooks 
> sometimes spoil the broth.
> Paul's email only underlines that you don't know everything happening 
> on the docs side
> so please stop deleting docs. Remove links to deprecated docs all you 
> want but don't delete the actual docs!
> Mark
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