[ZF] Re: [ZWeb] Zope 3 Website

Thu Feb 16 20:20:07 EST 2006

Hi Joel,

I agree exactly.

Basically I am just trying to work out how to do it without stepping on 
any toes and fit in with whatever plans there are. But so far I haven't 
found out anything. So if anyone can help in that area (even if to say 
there isn't anything) that would be really helpful.

Cheers,
Pete

Joel Moxley wrote:

>Pete and all,
>
>Like you, I'm fairly new to the Zope3 marketing and website issues --
>and relatively new to Zope/Zope3 as well.  I was actually unaware of
>the zope-web list until that "Guido" thread.
>
>In any event, I agree with you -- the initial and central need is an
>intelligent, clear organization of existing content in a single place.
>
>I've followed the discussion on both lists, and my questions are these:
>
>I've seen the zope-web svn text (which is a great start).  What's the
>plan forward, and when does the zope-web community expect to have
>working model?  Is there a timeline?  Where can a non-expert
>individual like myself make a contribution?
>
>I feel as though initially the mere existence of a central Zope3
>brochure-type "jumping off" website would be hugely valuable even if
>not completely perfected.  I'm unclear on whether this is too specific
>for zope-web's larger purpose.  If it is something zope-web wants to
>do, is it something that we would expect in a few months or perhaps
>year?
>
>Anyways, I'm excited that so many of us share the enthusiasm for
>marketing Zope and Zope3.
>
>Joel
>
>On 2/16/06, Peter Simmons <pete-lists at bcmpweb.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Re-reading my email I kinda put the emphasis in the wrong area. If we
>>need more design then I would like to get it right of couse the existing
>>isn't too bad so maybe we don't need it so much just a little bit for
>>differiantion purposes.
>>
>>The main thing is the content. I would be keen to do some
>>demos/simulations as well as getting together the existing howtos and
>>making sure they are up to date.
>>
>>The 4 items sum it up and the content behind those is the main thing.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Pete
>>
>>Peter Simmons wrote:
>>
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>>>Hi Andrew,
>>>
>>>Cheers. That does sound like a good idea I have been wondering about
>>>creating more content for our site and might do that also :-) Thanks
>>>to Christian T also for the idea in the first place.
>>>
>>>Do you help keep zope.org up to date? (forgive my ignorance in this area)
>>>
>>>I am really keen to spend the money on some nice design (for logo,
>>>colors, brand guidelines) and marketing efforts for Zope 3. I truly do
>>>believe that with a little effort we can make the entry point much
>>>better. I know from experience that have the plone.org site (the front
>>>page and demos are the main contribution really) it helps people
>>>understand what they are getting into when they start using plone. I
>>>think we could do the same for Zope 3.
>>>
>>>The items
>>>
>>>1) What is Zope 3?
>>>2) Why use Zope 3?
>>>3) How does Zope 3 compare to competing frameworks?
>>>4) How do I get started?
>>>
>>>Cover it I think. I am pretty keen to keep the aim/goal fairly simple
>>>to begin with to ensure we get something up and running. Then I
>>>believe we need to keep reinvesting to keep current with what is going
>>>on just on these basic items. We should really only expand if these
>>>are completely up to date and we have spare resource.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Pete
>>>
>>>Andrew Sawyers wrote:
>>>
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>>>
>>>>That's excellent Peter!  I don't want any money, but would be cool to
>>>>find the best use for it....
>>>>Talking to Christian T from the German Zope Users Group the other day,
>>>>he pointed out something interesting they were doing with available
>>>>funds:  hiring 2 'writers' who would watch the Zope and python lists and
>>>>bi-weekly (2 - ea. offsetting one another) write an in-depth article for
>>>>their site.
>>>>I think that would be interesting possibility to do with offered funds
>>>>and maybe could be further used by the foundation when that gets
>>>>established.
>>>>Anyhow, really just wanted to say 'thanks'.
>>>>
>>>>Andrew Sawyers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 09:58 +1300, Peter Simmons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>>I just subscribed to both these lists (forgive the cross post) so
>>>>>you may have gotten further down the road on this one than I have
>>>>>seen. I have been following a conversation on Zope3-users list about
>>>>>setting up a website and doing a little marketing push for Zope 3.
>>>>>
>>>>>I really liked the ideas in the email from Joel Moxley
>>>>>(jfmoxley at gmail.com) as pasted at the end in particular as I think
>>>>>they sum up where the discussion got to. Anyway I wanted to offer
>>>>>some funding to help get a site like that going I could offer $1000
>>>>>NZD (about $700 USD at present) from my company to kick this thing off.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am not sure where to go next though, Gary Poster suggested I get
>>>>>over to the zope-web list and that the foundation would also be able
>>>>>to help with this when it gets up and running.
>>>>>
>>>>>I noticed recently that the Plone foundation had started using a
>>>>>site http://fundable.org to help people organise funding for
>>>>>projects similar to this. Have a look at the site it seems like a
>>>>>good place to do this kinda thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone got a place to point me or ideas about how to get the funding
>>>>>into place and get this thing going?
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Pete
>>>>>
>>>>>As I see it, Zope 3's central marketing issue is the lack of a
>>>>>coherent online identity.  There needs to be a single place that
>>>>>answers the following questions:
>>>>>
>>>>>1) What is Zope 3?
>>>>>2) Why use Zope 3?
>>>>>3) How does Zope 3 compare to competing frameworks?
>>>>>4) How do I get started?
>>>>>
>>>>>Largely, this is assembly of the Zope 3 FrontPage, philikon's first
>>>>>two chapters, and the "appetizer" quick start guides on
>>>>>worldcookery. However, I would also  love to see a section on the
>>>>>lead developers
>>>>>answering Q1-Q3.  And this would be in conjunction with conveying...
>>>>>
>>>>>Zope3's shtick:  Zope3 is not flashy.  Zope3 does not put pastel
>>>>>colors on its website. Zope3 is the no-nonsense, industrial strength
>>>>>platform.  It's where you come when you want to do it right.  It was
>>>>>coded with the most rigorous standards by a bunch of hard-nosed sons
>>>>>of bitches who don't have time for froofy marketing  :) .  And so
>>>>>forth.
>>>>>This would come across in lead dev's answering Q1-Q3.
>>>>>
>>>>>And finally, the site should demonstrate the "industrial strength"
>>>>>quality with examples.  Little snippets from developers of SchoolTool,
>>>>>corporate users, and so forth should demonstrate "hey, we're for real,
>>>>>and we don't mess around -- you give me an animated screenshots, I
>>>>>raise you a XYZ transaction per day uber site".  In a sense, we'd want
>>>>>to portray ourselves as the Chuck Norris[1] of web platforms  :)
>>>>>Bottom line, a coherent online identity would go a long way.  Instead
>>>>>of doing some snazzy marketings, let's communicate the character that
>>>>>Zope3 does have.  It sounds like zope3.org under ZF might be the ideal
>>>>>way to do this,
>>>>>
>>>>>As for codenames, this is just one way we could help create a coherent
>>>>>online identity.  I certainly think release names would be fun (and
>>>>>not distracting to the central "Zope 3" brand we'd want).  Overall, I
>>>>>think the time has come for communication of Zope 3 identity to move
>>>>>hand in hand with development.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joel
>>>>>
>>>>>
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