[ZWeb] Zope 2 web site

Paul Everitt paul at zope-europe.org
Thu Mar 2 03:52:06 EST 2006

Geoff is offering to help on the existing site.  That's an urgent need, 
from all the (ahem) constructive responses I've seen to his note.  The 
more he helps on the current site, the less pressure you'll have on the 
"start-from-scratch" plan.

I've seen the point made in this thread about choosing Plone and no 
Plone people helping.  Here's the reason I went from very active to 


I never got a response to that note.  Actually, I did get a one word 
private response from the ZC CFO: "Understood".  Perhaps things changed, 
but like others, I got the message about the value of my contributions.

Plone pre-1.0 might be part of the problem.  But the bigger problem is
the red tape and attitude.  Plone.org, OTOH, has over a hundred 
how-to's, over 20 long tutorials, good doc organization, active system 
administration, great performance, and around 4 active 
*documentation-only* reviewers.  Even atop that "awful" Plone software. :^)

zope.org is dead.  plone.org is quite alive.  What's the difference in 
these two?

For what ever reason, zope.org gives off a distinct "you're not wanted 
here" vibe, especially if you're a Plone person.


Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> Geoff,
> Daily several of us (Michael, Martijn F, Phillip V, and a couple others)
> utilize #zope-web to try and further work that has been going on for
> awhile to get a suitable zope.org rolled out and upgraded that the
> community can be proud of.  There are people working on docs, marketing
> data, newsletters, layout/design upgrades and more.  Please participate
> in the existing drive, not start a new one.  :)
> I'd love to see ya drop by.  There's no secret that the current site
> needs fixing; lets pool the collective interest and get it finished
> up.....
> Andrew Sawyers
> On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 12:09 -0500, Geoff Davis wrote:
>> Hi all--
>> I think the idea of a Zope 3 web site rewrite is a great one.  However,
>> since Zope 2 is going to continue to be around for awhile, I am wondering
>> if we might be able to shore up the Zope 2 resources in a reasonable way?
>> Migrating all the community content sounds like a herculean task; I'm
>> talking about doing something with rather narrower scope.  Here is what I
>> propose:
>> * Create a new zope.org (or zope2.org) for Zope 2 that is focused on 2
>> things:
>>   1) Distribution of Zope 2 and related add-ons
>>   2) Documentation
>> * Maintain all the old community content in the current instance and bind
>> the two together using URL rewriting.
>> The Plone community has developed a couple of products for distributing
>> software (PloneSoftwareCenter) and for maintaining documentation
>> (PloneHelpCenter).  You can see these in action at
>> http://plone.org/products and http://plone.org/documentation ,
>> respectively.
>> I know that zope.org gets a lot of traffic; we also have a product for
>> making Plone play nicely with Squid.
>> I think that people in the Plone community would be willing to help out
>> with getting such a site set up.  The bigger task would be moving
>> community content to the new setup.
>> Is there any interest?
>> Geoff
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