[ZWeb] Zope 2 web site
paul at zope-europe.org
Thu Mar 2 06:47:12 EST 2006
Lennart Regebro wrote:
> If Plone works for product listing on plone.org, it should work for
> product listing on zope.org.
> Now, zope.org does much more than that, but if we combine the above
> thought, with the earlier thought of splitting into new subsites that
> one by one get "approved" by Zope Foundation, that ain't a problem.
Well said. We need to break the big problem into smaller problems that
don't require transient volunteers to sign up for eating an elephant. :^)
Along these lines, I think stabilizing the current dung heap should be
*one of* the projects. It's odd that we could make things better *right
now*, and smart people are trying to help, but others don't want them
to. It doesn't have to be zero sum.
> So what do we need?
> 1. A project manager.
> 2. A server to put this on.
This is probably the most important step, to improve the collaboration.
Offers have been made in the past by Zope hosters. I bet we could get
one, in exchange for the same credits given currently on zope.org.
> 3. A design.
> Then we can put up a products.something.foo, and try to get people to
> register their products there instead of on zope.org, and if people
> like it enough, step 5:
> 6. ZF can do a switcheroo so that the products on zope.org point to
> the new server, as products.zope.org.
> That's one part finished for a new zope.org. One of the biggest ones,
> and not particularily painful even.
> Yes, there is two steps missing:
> 4. Wait for ZF to become reality.
I've seen this mentioned a number of times. I'm concerned about the
effect it might have. I remember in 2003, we had spent months waiting
on officialdom to legal things and were told:
"I suspect this will be finished by the end of next week."
"One week" turned into 5 months. Meanwhile, all the volunteer
enthusiasm vanished. I feel the ZF is becoming that same kind of "Wait
for the adults to weigh in" vibe.
Everybody says that the software of zope.org is the culprit. Geoff is a
core contributor to that software, a board member of its foundation, and
the author of the caching integration to make it go fast. He's not
proposing a new system. He's proposing to improve the status quo,
without excluding other initiatives.
Having the existing site suck less, on the way to having a new non-Plone
plan, would be great. Geoff has said: "I'll do it." In my book, he
should get encouragement.
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