[ZWeb] Re: Grrr. zope.org wikis are evil.

[Jim Fulton]

Simon Michael wrote:
> Hi Martijn, thanks for your response.  I'm replying on-list -
> 
> Martijn Faassen wrote:
>> Jim's answer about brittle mess on the mailing list makes it clear. 
> It makes his thinking clear, yes.   I'm not clear on why he thinks that
> way. I would think: a zope.org that's so fragile it can't be touched by 
> Jim Fulton is intolerable, and if upgrading  a product risks breaking 
> some of it, so be it; the bits that broke were in the way.

I don't have any mystic power that allows me to understand any Zope
application.  I am also not a CMF developer.

...

>> What you need to do in order to get Apache access is contact Rob Page 
>> (rob at zope.com) (I've cc-ed him) and get and sign the agreement with ZC 
>> that you won't break their hosting environment.

That's not enough to change the apache config.  If you want to make a change
to the apache config, I'll make it for you.  I'll be happy to work with someone
on irc at an agreed upon time.

...

> - I understand why the paperwork exists, but I think it represents some 
> bureaucracy that is near the root of the problem with zope.org.

I agree.

> I feel 
> to engage with it only repeats the cycle of private email, delay, loss 
> of momentum, and prolongs the bigger problem. Give a volunteer a login, 
> and (s)he'll get to work..

Again, I agree.

This is necessary because zope.org is hosted in the same cluster with our
commercial customers and we have to be extremely conservative.  This
is why zope.org needs to move to a new home.

Jim

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