[Zope] asp request and response objects

[Tom Cameron]

Hi There,
I am a newbie at this too. I have moved from ASP to Zope in the last year.
It was a good move, but not a simple one.

I found the hardest thing to grasp at first was the name space structure.
Acquisition was also difficult - the basic concept is quite simple, but the
finer details or how it behaves takes some getting used to.

Tino is right, don't try to look for parallels too much. Concentrate on
grasping a completely new concept and look for its strengths.

As for REQUEST and RESPONSE, the same objects exist in zope with slightly
different functionality (and different syntax obviously).

Stick at it, python is a very nice, straight forward language and combined
with Zope it provides very powerful web publishing solution.

Good luck.

Tom Cameron.


=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tino
=> Wildenhain
=> Sent: Tuesday, 24 April 2001 7:49 PM
=> To: dave@kovach.com; zope@zope.org
=> Subject: Re: [Zope] asp request and response objects
=>
=>
=> Hi David,
=>
=> its hard to give you step-by-step advice how to go from
=> ASP to zope in a simple mail.
=> The first helpful thing is to get the hands on python.
=> Its not really hard. (You could even used python with
=> win32 extensions with ASP already ;)
=>
=> The next thing is to forget all - I mean all of the prevoius
=> code. Try to figure out how your site/application is meant to
=> work. What should happen when and where are the data (RDBMS
=> and such)
=> Then look whats common in tasks and presentation. If you are so far
=> you can go for implementation.
=>
=> If well thought, developement "the zope way" gives you very rapide
=> the results you want. Dont try to make a 1:1 transformation from
=> ASP to Zope.
=>
=> Things to look at:
=>
=> ZClasses,
=> ZSQL-Methods,
=> ZPatterns (yes, very hard to learn, but very very powerful!)
=>
=> Object-oriented developement in general.
=>
=> However, the 1:1 approach could work. But its by far not optimal and
=> you give away all the advantages zope has.
=>
=> HTH
=> Tino Wildenhain
=>
=>
=> --On Dienstag, 24. April 2001 01:38 -0500 David Kovach
=> <davidkovach@hotmail.com> wrote:
=>
=> > Hi -
=> >
=> > Just getting on board with Zope and Python...
=> > converting over from MS ASP web application
=> > development AND dont want to invest/waste time
=> > with JSP or servlets for that matter.
=> >
=> > I look forward to seeing how to further work
=> > with ZOPE with XML/XSLT - page templates cool!
=> >
=> > (end of my blah intro!)
=> >
=> > Can anyone share with me in simple terms - how
=> > ZOPE replicates or depracates the ASP object
=> > of REQUEST and RESPONSE to build dynamic pages??
=> >
=> > And I have read and seem to assume that keeping
=> > logic to add dynamic content should be kept to
=> > Python code thats called from a DTML method or
=> > something??? Set me straight...
=> >
=> > Thanks - and I look forward to interacting
=> > with you all more...
=> >
=> > Sincerely,
=> >
=> > David Kovach
=> > dave@kovach.com
=> > dave.kovach@sap.com
=> >
=> >
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