From mark@kaivo.com  Tue May  1 01:11:55 2001
From: mark@kaivo.com (Mark N. Gibson)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:11:55 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Copy & Paste CatalogAware Zclass
Message-ID: <3AEDFF4B.E750508D@kaivo.com>

I have a folderish object containing other CatalogAware Zclasses.  When
I try to copy and paste, I get the following error:

(Using Zope 2.3.1)

Error Type: KeyError
Error Value: SERVER_URL

<!--
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.3.x/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 223, in publish_module
  File /usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.3.x/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 187, in publish
  File /usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.2.x/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line
221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.3.x/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 171, in publish
  File /usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.2.x/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py,
line 160, in mapply
    (Object: manage_pasteObjects)
  File /usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.3.x/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 112, in call_object
    (Object: manage_pasteObjects)
  File /usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.3.x/lib/python/OFS/CopySupport.py,
line 230, in manage_pasteObjects
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.3.x/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py,
line 318, in manage_afterClone
    (Object: Renderable)
  File
/usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.3.x/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/CatalogAwareness.py,
line 122, in manage_afterClone
    (Object: CatalogAware)
  File
/usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.3.x/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/CatalogAwareness.py,
line 184, in index_object
    (Object: CatalogAware)
  File
/usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.3.x/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/CatalogAwareness.py,
line 157, in url
    (Object: CatalogAware)
  File /usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.3.x/lib/python/OFS/Traversable.py,
line 119, in absolute_url
    (Object: CatalogAware)
KeyError: (see above)

-->


Any ideas?


------------
Mark Gibson
Kaivo, Inc.
mark@kaivo.com


From tino@wildenhain.de  Tue May  1 01:22:45 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 02:22:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] dtml-tree info
In-Reply-To: <3AEDB0F8.D05E5BD8@apsis.ch>
Message-ID: <841287880.988683765@BUZZER>

Hi Robert,

I do this and I dont use the tree-tag at all anymore.
The trick is to organisate your site hierarchically.
I do only folder-like objects with one content-object
(or property or whatever).
So the site is simply a tree of folderobjects (not folder
itself but a subclass (or more then one subclass of it))
Then a simple method can render the navigation:
(lets call it navigation)
<table>
<dtml-in "objectValues('TheFolderClass')">
<dtml-if "sequence_item in PARENTS">
<tr><td>[-]</td><td>&dtml-title;<br>
           <dtml-var navigation></td></tr>
<dtml-else>
<tr><td>[+]</td><td><a 
href="&dtml-absolute_url;/">&dtml-title;</a></td></tr>
</dtml-if>
</dtml-in>

This is the very simple approach, you can make more
design if you want. The trick is "sequence_item in PARENTS"
which is true if the actual object is in your URL path.
This way the tree shows your current navigation without
bothering to save the treestate or bother the user with ugly
cookies and/or URLs.

I have to mention you must call this "navigation" method
inside a index_html method or something you let acquisite.
Call is there like that:

<dtml-with "PARENTS[-1]">
<dtml-var navigation>
</dtml-with>

To start the tree at the root.

Oh, you have to use "_['sequence-item'] ... " and stuff if
you dont use my dtml-in replacement.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Montag, 30. April 2001 20:37 +0200 Robert Segall <roseg@apsis.ch> 
wrote:

> Hope someone has already run into this: I need to be able to control
> the tree display state from dtml and I can't find any info on the
> subject.
>
> The "normal" tree display has the "+" (or "-") part, with its own
> URL that includes an encoded argument, and the user-defined part. At
> the very least I would like to be able to mimic the behaviour of the
> "+" by clicking on the "user" part (which I make into a link by
> myself). To make matters worse, this link may take me to another
> object (page).
>
> Ideally, I would like to be able to control the display behaviour -
> saying which branch(es) are to be shown open and which closed, and
> to which level, within the page itself.
>
> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Tnx,
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Tue May  1 01:25:45 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 02:25:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] problem with External Methods
In-Reply-To: <B71345D7.2BE34%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <841466990.988683945@BUZZER>

Hi marc,

it would be more helpful if you provide your
external methods code also :)

Regards
Tino

--On Montag, 30. April 2001 16:39 -0400 marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com> 
wrote:

> on 2.3.2 I just tried to add an External Method and got this error --
> anyone have an idea?  Seems like some stuff in ExternalMethod.py isn't
> getting initialized (for example, if I initialize func_defaults in the
> .py I'm trying to externalize, it gives another error, about func_code).
> Is there requirements of the .py, something that needs to be imported or
> whatever, for this product to work?
>
> Error listing:
>
>
>                Zope Error
>
>                Zope has encountered an error while publishing this
> resource.
>
>                Error Type: AttributeError
>                Error Value: func_defaults
>
>
>
>                Troubleshooting Suggestions
>
>                      The URL may be incorrect.
>                      The parameters passed to this resource may be
> incorrect.
>                      A resource that this resource relies on may be
> encountering an error.
>
>                For more detailed information about the error, please refer
> to the HTML source for this page.
>
>                If the error persists please contact the site maintainer.
> Thank you for your patience.
>
>
>
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 223, in publish_module
>   File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 187, in publish
>   File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221,
> in zpublisher_exception_hook
>   File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 171, in publish
>   File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line
> 160, in mapply
>     (Object: manage_addExternalMethod)
>   File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 112, in call_object
>     (Object: manage_addExternalMethod)
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMet
> hod .py, line 131, in manage_addExternalMethod
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMet
> hod .py, line 179, in __init__
>     (Object: mp3info)
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMet
> hod .py, line 202, in manage_edit
>     (Object: mp3info)
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMet
> hod .py, line 217, in getFunction
>     (Object: mp3info)
> AttributeError: (see above)
>
>
>
>
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Tue May  1 01:30:13 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 02:30:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] writing dtml on zope.org
In-Reply-To: <132030000.988667916@mindlace.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <841735790.988684213@BUZZER>

Hi ethan,

could you at least include something like my vary-tag so
we can provide multi-language documents easyly?
If so I can live without dtml on zope.org :-)

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Montag, 30. April 2001 17:58 -0400 ethan mindlace fremen 
<mindlace@digicool.com> wrote:

> --On Monday, April 30, 2001 21:56:47 +0200 Max M
> <maxmcorp@worldonline.dk> wrote:
>>> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of ethan
>>> mindlace fremen
>>
>>> I'm trying to get a feel for how important it is for you to be able to
>>> write DTML on zope.org.
>>
>> Well I kind of like that my products, how-to's etc. are on Zope.org in my
>> member area, and that I can write my own pages presenting them. It would
>> be a bad idea to remove the possibility to write those pages in dtml.
>
> The issue is that right now anybody is a yahoo account away from being
> able to write arbitrary DTML on zope.org, and that this has brought
> zope.org to it's knees in the past.
>
> What if there was a standard page for presenting your contributions, that
> your contributions could have html in them, and if you were interested in
> providing different ways to view member folders, you could get permission
> and create a skin that then anyone could select?
>
> Esp. if that skin could cover more than just member folders, but the
> entire site?
>
> --
> ethan mindlace fremen
> zopatista community liason
>
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From amos@digicool.com  Tue May  1 01:43:56 2001
From: amos@digicool.com (Amos Latteier)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:43:56 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [ANNOUNCE] Zope Book Final
Message-ID: <3AEE06CC.53EE4ED8@digicool.com>

I'm happy to announce that the Zope Book is finished.

  http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB

You can read it online, or download it in HTML and PDF format.

The book has been sent off to the publisher and you should be able to
pick it up in stores within a month or two.

I want to give a big thank you to everyone who has helped a long the
way. Thanks!

-Amos

P.S. The book will continue to evolve as Zope grows and changes. This
version of the book covers Zope 2.3. We will continue to improve the
book and add new chapters to cover topics such as XML and Page
Templates. If you want to be a part of this process take a look at the
project page.

  http://www.zope.org/DocProjects/Book

--
Amos Latteier         mailto:amos@digicool.com
Digital Creations     http://www.digicool.com


From marc@bowery.com  Tue May  1 02:24:26 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:24:26 -0400
Subject: [Zope] problem with External Methods
In-Reply-To: <841466990.988683945@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <B713888A.2BE6E%marc@bowery.com>

OK, I put it here, for now (it's not done, yet):

http://www.zope.org/Members/bowerymarc/junk/mp3info.py
http://www.zope.org/Members/bowerymarc/junk/READMEmp3info.txt


> From: Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de>
> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 02:25:45 +0200
> To: marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com>, zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] problem with External Methods
> 
> Hi marc,
> 
> it would be more helpful if you provide your
> external methods code also :)
> 
> Regards
> Tino
> 
> --On Montag, 30. April 2001 16:39 -0400 marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> on 2.3.2 I just tried to add an External Method and got this error --
>> anyone have an idea?  Seems like some stuff in ExternalMethod.py isn't
>> getting initialized (for example, if I initialize func_defaults in the
>> .py I'm trying to externalize, it gives another error, about func_code).
>> Is there requirements of the .py, something that needs to be imported or
>> whatever, for this product to work?
>> 
>> Error listing:
>> 
>> 
>> Zope Error
>> 
>> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this
>> resource.
>> 
>> Error Type: AttributeError
>> Error Value: func_defaults
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Troubleshooting Suggestions
>> 
>> The URL may be incorrect.
>> The parameters passed to this resource may be
>> incorrect.
>> A resource that this resource relies on may be
>> encountering an error.
>> 
>> For more detailed information about the error, please refer
>> to the HTML source for this page.
>> 
>> If the error persists please contact the site maintainer.
>> Thank you for your patience.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Traceback (innermost last):
>> File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
>> 223, in publish_module
>> File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
>> 187, in publish
>> File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221,
>> in zpublisher_exception_hook
>> File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
>> 171, in publish
>> File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line
>> 160, in mapply
>> (Object: manage_addExternalMethod)
>> File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
>> 112, in call_object
>> (Object: manage_addExternalMethod)
>> File
>> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMet
>> hod .py, line 131, in manage_addExternalMethod
>> File
>> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMet
>> hod .py, line 179, in __init__
>> (Object: mp3info)
>> File
>> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMet
>> hod .py, line 202, in manage_edit
>> (Object: mp3info)
>> File
>> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMet
>> hod .py, line 217, in getFunction
>> (Object: mp3info)
>> AttributeError: (see above)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>> (Related lists -
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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> 
> 
> 
> 



From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Tue May  1 02:35:30 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:35:30 -0700
Subject: [Zope] writing dtml on zope.org
In-Reply-To: <132030000.988667916@mindlace.digicool.com>; from mindlace@digicool.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:58:36PM -0400
References: <GPEEKBGENEOONHLCPNLPIEHFDMAA.maxmcorp@worldonline.dk> <132030000.988667916@mindlace.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010430183530.U15059@blanchardsite.com>

On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:58:36PM -0400, ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
[...]
> 
> What if there was a standard page for presenting your contributions, that 
> your contributions could have html in them, and if you were interested in 
> providing different ways to view member folders, you could get permission 
> and create a skin that then anyone could select?
> 
> Esp. if that skin could cover more than just member folders, but the entire 
> site?
> 
ooohhh, i like the skins idea. right now to read the zope site i
have to turn off css in my netscrape (4.7) browser since the text
ends up rendered too small for my poor old eyes...

actually tho, i've recently begun using the text browser "Links"
which renders tables/frames beautifully and has configurable
associations so i can view images when necessary. now if only i
could log in to the manage screens with it... <g>

i bring this up only as a reminder that some of us still prefer
old fashioned _text_ browsing. it would be a shame if in the
quest for better gui, text browsing were to be overlooked.

-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From tseaver@digicool.com  Tue May  1 02:15:22 2001
From: tseaver@digicool.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:15:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Permissions errors
Message-ID: <3AEE0E2A.F43682DA@novacoxmail.com>

Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> wrote:

> I have been fooling around with the permissions om my CMF Site
> so my Members are no longer able to add new things to there own
> folder. The permission  error is: You are not allowed to access
> Identifier.  What permission settings is this Identifier using
> and where should it be checked ?

Gitte,

You need to ask CMF-specific questions on the CMF mailing list
(zope-cmf@zope.org, CC'ed);  most folks who hang out here have no
idea what you are talking about.

'Identifier' is one of the Dublin Core methods, and is protected
by the 'View' permission.  It is called by the various metadata
editing forms, in order to display it (it is read only, and is
in fact the 'absolute_url()' of the content object.

You will need to supply more details (the full traceback would
help), if you can't figure it out from here.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org


From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May  1 02:46:56 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:46:56 -0400
Subject: [Zope] problem with External Methods
References: <B713888A.2BE6E%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <00d801c0d1e0$9bb39150$6801a8c0@kurtz>

You can't use a class object as a function... in this case, you're defining
the function name in the external method as "mp3info", which is a class,
which is why you're getting this error.

I don't see any functions at all in the file you posted.  An external method
wraps a Python function.  Passing instances of classes defined in an
external method is tricky as well, even if you are using a function.

It seems like you really want to be building a Product.  See the Zope
Developer's Guide at http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZDG for information
on how to do this.

- C


----- Original Message -----
From: "marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com>
To: "Tino Wildenhain" <tino@wildenhain.de>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] problem with External Methods


> OK, I put it here, for now (it's not done, yet):
>
> http://www.zope.org/Members/bowerymarc/junk/mp3info.py
> http://www.zope.org/Members/bowerymarc/junk/READMEmp3info.txt
>
>
> > From: Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de>
> > Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 02:25:45 +0200
> > To: marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com>, zope@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] problem with External Methods
> >
> > Hi marc,
> >
> > it would be more helpful if you provide your
> > external methods code also :)
> >
> > Regards
> > Tino
> >
> > --On Montag, 30. April 2001 16:39 -0400 marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> on 2.3.2 I just tried to add an External Method and got this error --
> >> anyone have an idea?  Seems like some stuff in ExternalMethod.py isn't
> >> getting initialized (for example, if I initialize func_defaults in the
> >> .py I'm trying to externalize, it gives another error, about
func_code).
> >> Is there requirements of the .py, something that needs to be imported
or
> >> whatever, for this product to work?
> >>
> >> Error listing:
> >>
> >>
> >> Zope Error
> >>
> >> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this
> >> resource.
> >>
> >> Error Type: AttributeError
> >> Error Value: func_defaults
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Troubleshooting Suggestions
> >>
> >> The URL may be incorrect.
> >> The parameters passed to this resource may be
> >> incorrect.
> >> A resource that this resource relies on may be
> >> encountering an error.
> >>
> >> For more detailed information about the error, please refer
> >> to the HTML source for this page.
> >>
> >> If the error persists please contact the site maintainer.
> >> Thank you for your patience.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Traceback (innermost last):
> >> File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> >> 223, in publish_module
> >> File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> >> 187, in publish
> >> File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221,
> >> in zpublisher_exception_hook
> >> File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> >> 171, in publish
> >> File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line
> >> 160, in mapply
> >> (Object: manage_addExternalMethod)
> >> File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> >> 112, in call_object
> >> (Object: manage_addExternalMethod)
> >> File
> >>
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMet
> >> hod .py, line 131, in manage_addExternalMethod
> >> File
> >>
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMet
> >> hod .py, line 179, in __init__
> >> (Object: mp3info)
> >> File
> >>
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMet
> >> hod .py, line 202, in manage_edit
> >> (Object: mp3info)
> >> File
> >>
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMet
> >> hod .py, line 217, in getFunction
> >> (Object: mp3info)
> >> AttributeError: (see above)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From tseaver@digicool.com  Tue May  1 02:30:57 2001
From: tseaver@digicool.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:30:57 -0400
Subject: [Zope] help!  corrupted zope
Message-ID: <3AEE11D1.47C70302@novacoxmail.com>

Garry Hodgson <garry@sage.att.com> wrote:
> 
> i got mail from a colleague today that he was having trouble with a 
> ZWiki page.  attempts to access it yielded:
> 
>  Zope Error
> 
>  Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. 
> 
>  Debugging Notice
> 
>  Zope has encountered a problem publishing your object.
> 
>  Missing doc string at:
>        http://www.sage.att.com:8080/Wikis/SIS/JSwift 
> ...
>  Traceback (innermost last):
>           File
> /home/sage/zope/src/Zope-2.3.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
> line 222, in publish_module
>           File
> /home/sage/zope/src/Zope-2.3.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
> line 187, in publish
>           File /home/sage/zope/src/Zope-2.3.0-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py,
> line 221, in  zpublisher_exception_hook
>                     (Object: Traversable)
>           File
> /home/sage/zope/src/Zope-2.3.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
> line 162, in publish
>           File
> /home/sage/zope/src/Zope-2.3.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/BaseRequest.py,
> line 378, in traverse
>           File
> /home/sage/zope/src/Zope-2.3.0-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py,
> line 558, in debugError
>         NotFound: (see above)

Hmm, "Missing doc string" says you are trying to talk to what should
be an unpublishable method.  Is 'SIS/JSwift' likely to be the name
of a wiki page?  Have you perhaps upgraded Zope recently?  Also, what
version of the ZWiki product are you using?

> So, it appears i've got a corrupted Zope.  aside from rescuing
> a Data.fs from backup, how does one go about fixing such a
> problem?  or is there no hope?

As Chris pointed out, 'lib/python/ZODB/fsrecover.py' is the most
likely way to fix this.

  $ cd $ZOPE_HOME/lib/python
  $ python ZODB/fsrecover.py $INSTANCE_HOME/var/Data.fs

Of course, you make a backup of the (presumably) corrupt file, first.

> Also, is this common?  I confess this makes me very nervous
> about relying on  Zope.  we've been using the ZWiki stuff pretty
> heavily, and this will givethe anti-OpenSource crowd some useful
> ammo.

Not common;  Chris noted one of the more likely causes (NFS
interfering with the storage's ability to perform reliable writes).

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
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Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org


From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May  1 03:11:10 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:11:10 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope IOError messages (FOUND TEST CASE)
References: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICEEMDGFAA.lstafford@morphics.com> <01043015452900.04652@levinux-lab>
Message-ID: <011c01c0d1e3$fdeaf8b0$6801a8c0@kurtz>

Jerome,

Are you seeing "script returned printed without using printed variable"
messages inside your log file (STUPID_LOG_FILE?)  What messages are you
seeing in the logfile?

It seems that the problem is related to opening and closing the logfile,
which may be symptomatic of an out-of-disk-space issue.

- C

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jérôme Loisel" <jerome@levinux.org>
To: "Loren Stafford" <lstafford@morphics.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope IOError messages (FOUND TEST CASE)



Hi Loren, hi all.

Loren Stafford -- Lundi 30 Avril 2001 15:30:
> What platform is your Zope running on?
>

I am running Zope 2.3.2 (binary release) on a Mandrake 7.2 system.

Thinking about it, I realized that this specific error seemed to happen in
relation to me trying to create PythonScript objects which contained bugs. I
tried a few things and have come up with a test case.

Trying to edit a PythonScript object to the following code will trigger the
error.

<testcase>
print "Allo!"

if foo:

return printed
</testcase>

As you can see, the script is buggy. Still, this should not render Zope
un-editable. I am not sure that this covers the full extent of the problem,
but it could.

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> > Jérôme Loisel
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:52
> > To: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: [Zope] Zope IOError messages
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > After working on my website for a few hours, I sometimes start getting
> > IOErrors from Zope in stupid_log_write. See the full message here:
> >
> > http://zope.levinux.org/ioerror.html
> >
> > This only happens when editing the site. Upon encountering this
> > error once,
> > all subsequent attempts at modifying the site (or even restarting
> > Zope from
> > the control panel) fail with the same error. Simply viewing the site,
> > however, will continue working.
> >
> > This problem is does not crop up constantly, but it is not rare either.
I
> > work full-time on the website, and this IOError happens a few
> > times a week.
> > It seems to be happening more recently. (Maybe I should pack my
> > database?)
> >
> > I would like to know why this happens and whether or not I can do
> > something
> > about it. The site is meant to be dynamic user-editable. I can manually
> > restart the Zope server, but my users cannot. So this could
> > easily turn into
> > a big headache if the problem persists.
> >
> > Thank you very much in advance. Cheers,
> >
> > Jérôme Loisel

--
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Lévinux: GNU/Linux pour la communauté
http://www.levinux.org/

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From marc@bowery.com  Tue May  1 04:27:11 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:27:11 -0400
Subject: [Zope] problem with External Methods
In-Reply-To: <00d801c0d1e0$9bb39150$6801a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <B713A54F.2BE7E%marc@bowery.com>

Hi Chris,

> You can't use a class object as a function... in this case, you're defining
> the function name in the external method as "mp3info", which is a class,
> which is why you're getting this error.
> 
> I don't see any functions at all in the file you posted.  An external method
> wraps a Python function.  Passing instances of classes defined in an
> external method is tricky as well, even if you are using a function.

Yeah, the file is just a class.  So if I put this line in the file:

m = mp3info()

Then I could import m?

> 
> It seems like you really want to be building a Product.  See the Zope
> Developer's Guide at http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZDG for information
> on how to do this.

Yeah, that's what I'm working on...  I was trying to do it with ZClasses, to
make dealing with the property sheets easier, but I kinda figured out how to
do that in python, so I'm just doing the whole thing in python.

I'm sure I'll have lots more questions before I'm done :)



From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May  1 04:42:58 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:42:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] problem with External Methods
References: <B713A54F.2BE7E%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <01f701c0d1f0$d155ef00$6801a8c0@kurtz>

> Yeah, the file is just a class.  So if I put this line in the file:
>
> m = mp3info()
>
> Then I could import m?

No (because class instances aren't functions, although they can masquerade
as one.. in this case it's just not worth it).  You really want to make a
Product.  External methods are most useful for short functions, and they get
really awkward when you combine them with classes due to security assertions
that need be made, pickleability of class instances, and other things that
can bite you.  In short, don't.  ;-)

>
> >
> > It seems like you really want to be building a Product.  See the Zope
> > Developer's Guide at http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZDG for
information
> > on how to do this.
>
> Yeah, that's what I'm working on...  I was trying to do it with ZClasses,
to
> make dealing with the property sheets easier, but I kinda figured out how
to
> do that in python, so I'm just doing the whole thing in python.
>
> I'm sure I'll have lots more questions before I'm done :)

No problem...

- C




From mindlace@digicool.com  Tue May  1 06:37:46 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 01:37:46 -0400
Subject: [Zope] writing dtml on zope.org
In-Reply-To: <01043015074706.18442@linux>
Message-ID: <46680000.988695466@orlog>


--On Monday, April 30, 2001 15:07:47 -0700 ender 
<kthangavelu@earthlink.net> wrote:

> looks good like a good list, one more addition that would be nice is
> allowing  Files.

er, right. Forgot that one.

--
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zopatista community liason


From andy@agmweb.ca  Tue May  1 07:01:06 2001
From: andy@agmweb.ca (Andy)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:01:06 -0700
Subject: [Zope] writing dtml on zope.org
References: <131150000.988666994@mindlace.digicool.com> <01043015074706.18442@linux>
Message-ID: <000f01c0d204$1db57fb0$abcc4e18@cr582427a>

> >>News Items, Software Products*, Wikis, How-To's and Tips (may be
merged),
> >>Folders, Links, generic HTML/Structured Text Documents.
>
> >>*Software Products are likely to be fairly different, but they will
allow
> >>the creation of Trackers and fishbowl-esque content.
>
> looks good like a good list, one more addition that would be nice is
allowing
> Files.

Images?

--
  Andy McKay




From augusto@artlover.com  Tue May  1 07:00:11 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 01:00:11 -0500
Subject: [Zope] writing dtml on zope.org
References: <131150000.988666994@mindlace.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3AEE50EB.EA11A7AE@artlover.com>

I think Zope.org is a big how-to on itself, and by letting its users to write
dtml it helps to that purpose, although just at a didactic level. I don't 
think many people uses dtml-at-zope.org to bring out special features to their
member pages, so in order to continue offering illustrational capabilities I'd
suggest a special common "dtml drawing paper" area of the site.

On the subject of letting commited users to manage some areas, I agree. One of
my first thoughts on Zope.org was "why doesn't it have any page snapshots?",
and stuff like that. Nevertheless, it's good to realize that the
standardization is very important to the sense of unity of the whole Zope
development. I'm thankful to every other site that spreads Zope, but if the
assets it provides weren't adknowledged by Zope.org, I probably would'nt
consider them. On the other hand, if every other site had the same look and
feel of Zope.org, my concerns would be lower. That's to mention how important
the perception is.

To the DC's plan of delegating to comunity members in order to customize and/or
improve certain areas of the site, I would add that it is at 
least of the same importance to consider what are going to be the standards for
that future site. For example: Does it make sense to enable a
PIM like WorldPilot?. What about multimedia?  :)

Cheers,


Ausum


ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
> 
> --On Monday, April 30, 2001 14:25:40 -0600 Casey Duncan <cduncan@kaivo.com>
> wrote:
> > All I am after is a way to present the standard stuff, howtos, tips and
> > products. I suspect this is all that anyone really needs. If you want
> > more, you should just have your own site as you suggest.
> >
> > What objects would members still be able to create?
> 
> News Items, Software Products*, Wikis, How-To's and Tips (may be merged),
> Folders, Links, generic HTML/Structured Text Documents.
> 
> Also, more significant aspects of the site will be delegated, so community
> members of good standing that show an interest will probably have greater
> levels of permission than they do today, i.e. being able to create python
> scripts, etc. for the purposes of making zope.org better.
> 
> *Software Products are likely to be fairly different, but they will allow
> the creation of Trackers and fishbowl-esque content.
> 
> --
> ethan mindlace fremen
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From mindlace@digicool.com  Tue May  1 07:11:35 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 02:11:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope] writing dtml on zope.org
In-Reply-To: <000f01c0d204$1db57fb0$abcc4e18@cr582427a>
Message-ID: <53380000.988697495@orlog>

--On Monday, April 30, 2001 23:01:06 -0700 Andy <andy@agmweb.ca> wrote:
> Images?

yes. Those too.  if it's currently availiable as CMF content, it will be 
availiable at zope.org, plus some extras.

~ethan
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From NBlue@synomics.com  Tue May  1 09:00:40 2001
From: NBlue@synomics.com (Blue, Neil)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:00:40 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.1 install from source
Message-ID: <55E9531220EDD41186F50090274688BD1392B2@oranamesrvr0.synomics.com>

I have had the same problems too. In the end I am running Zope 2.3.1 =
with
Python2.1 there are a lot of deprecation statements but it starts :)

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Petr
Knapek
Sent: 27 April 2001 05:48
To: Tino Wildenhain
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope 2.3.1 install from source


>>>>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:09:50 +0200, Tino Wildenhain
<tino@wildenhain.de> said:

Hi Tino,
I have read your document which you noted but still I can't start Zope
2.3.1 (from source) together with python 1.5.2 built also from
source. Both apps (Zope and Python) are located in my home folder at
FreeBSD box (I am not root).  When I compile Zope with my Python
everything is OK (Zope installation successfull) but it is not possible
to start Zope.  When start script is invoked this message appears:

bash-2.04$ ./start
------
2001-04-26T07:55:38 PANIC(300) z2 Startup exception
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/home/knapek/apps/Zope-2.3.1-src/z2.py, line 566, in ?
  File <string>, line 1, in ?
  File =
/usr/home/knapek/apps/Zope-2.3.1-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py,
line 94, in ?
  File =
/usr/home/knapek/apps/Zope-2.3.1-src/lib/python/ZODB/__init__.py,
line 85, in ?
ImportError:
/usr/home/knapek/apps/Zope-2.3.1-src/lib/python/ExtensionClass.so: =
Undefined
symbol "PyMethod_Type"

I would like to know what am I doing bad?  Can anybody help me?

My steps in building of Python:
1. untar py152.tgz in "MYHOME/apps/" folder =
("MYHOEM/apps/Python-1.5.2/"
is created)
2. modification of Setup file in MYHOME/apps/Python-1.5.2/Modules =
directory
(addition of some commented modules)
3. call configure --with-thread --prefix ~/apps/python1.5.2 at top of
untarred python
4. call make also at top of untarred python
5. call make install at top of untarred python

After this python is installed in "MYHOME/apps/python1.5.2" directory
and I can start it with alias mypython.



Building of Zope 2.3.1 from sources step by step:
1. untar Zope2.3.1-src.tgz in "MYHOME/apps/"
("MYHOME/apps/Zope-2.3.1-src/" is created)
2. call mypython wo_pcgi.py from top of untarred Zope

After this building of Zope is succesfull but when I try to call =
./start
from top of installed Zope ("MYHOME/apps/Zope-2.3.1-src/") the above
noted error message is returned.  Does anybody know where the mistake =
in
building of both python and Zope is?=20



    TW> Hi Petr, it is sufficient if you built your python with =
threads.
    TW> May be http://www.zope.org/Members/tino/ZopeNetBSD is also
    TW> helpful for you. You may probably skip the part involving
    TW> unproven-pthreads. May be not.

    TW> HTH Tino Wildenhain

    TW> --On Dienstag, 24. April 2001 13:22 +0200 Petr Knapek
    TW> <knapek@knapek.pvt.net> wrote:

    >> Hello Zopists, I would like to know how to correct build and
    >> install Zope 2.3.1 from sources on FreeBSD box.  On that box
    >> there are few pythons and I need to build Zope with my own build
    >> python which is in my home directory.  I am not sure if to run
    >> wo_pcgi.py with my python is sufficient.
    >>=20
    >> Another question is if python for Zope must be compiled with
    >> dynamic loading of modules.
    >>=20
    >> Thanks for help, if you know any documentation, please give me
    >> URL.
    >>=20

Petr

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From philippe.jadin@123piano.com  Tue May  1 09:08:13 2001
From: philippe.jadin@123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:08:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] writing dtml on zope.org
References: <103960000.988657750@mindlace.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <00e901c0d216$0d81d5a0$7f88043e@r3g4p8>

> It gradually aquired a collaboration side with the fishbowl.
>
> Now I feel that zope.org's primary purposes are collaboration and
> education. The tryout feature has been largely surpassed by the free and
> for fee zope hosting that is availiable.

Let me add some side comment about the zope site.

Imho, the way content is "sorted" on the zope.org site is not "perfect".

What does a newbie when he search for information? He goes to the doc area,
the howto area, etc...

Noone (including zope experts) will think : "haha,  I need information about
this, and I know Philippe Jadin have this information, I'll go to his member
page".

My conclusions? Zope.org should not be author-oriented, but
content-oriented. This would make it lot easier to find information. I hope
we (members) could be humble enough to add content to "purpose" pages,
instead of our own page.

I don't see zope.org as an hosting for member pages (I have my personnal
site for this), but as a site with a complete, member-contributed
documentation. All members efforts should not be put in *their* own personal
homepage, but on the commonly available documentation.

This does'nt prevent putting our name on each of our contributions of
course;-)

In this perspective, I see no use for dtml in pages beside as a learning
tool.

My $0.02

Philippe Jadin



From Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au>  Tue May  1 10:38:10 2001
From: Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au> (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:38:10 +1000
Subject: [Zope] FTP File System in Linux!
In-Reply-To: Message from Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@pasteur.fr>
 of "Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:47:27 BST." <20010314124727.89984400D@ezili.sis.pasteur.fr>
Message-ID: <200105010938.TAA05167@mbuna.arbhome.com.au>

>>> Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote
> On Tuesday 13 March 2001, at 8 h 39, the keyboard of "Christopher J. Kucera" 
> <ckucera@globalcrossing.com> wrote:
> 
> > Found this on Freshmeat this morning:
> >   http://ftpfs.sourceforge.net/
> > 
> > I thought it could possibly be of some import.  Basically, it's a kernel
> > module that allows you to mount an FTP session as if it were a filesystem.
> 
> It works fine on my kernel 2.4.2. Warning: it is a bit rough (if you type the
> wrong IP address when mouting, *nothing* will tell you, ls will just show 
> no files).

there's now an 'ftpmount' utility for this. 


I've just tried it out on my machine, and against the oddball Zope version
we're running, it's not able to do writes. I'm going to try against the 
latest-n-greatest zope 2.3 variant and see what I can see...

Anthony


From marcbpc@gmx.de  Tue May  1 11:47:28 2001
From: marcbpc@gmx.de (Marc Fischer)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:47:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <019801c0d1b4$a0dc3b40$08b0403e@typhoon>
Message-ID: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJOENMCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>

Hi,

I want to get the HTML result from a form into a dtml method. So I need a
way to handle this result, but HOW.

The form ist like this:

<form action="http://server" method=POST>
<input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
<input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
<input type=submit>
</form>

If I klick on submit, I get the result displayed in the Browser, but I
cannot work with it.
Perhaps someone could help me???

Thanx a lot ... Marc



From pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt  Tue May  1 12:25:01 2001
From: pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt (Paula Mangas)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:25:01 +0100 (WEST)
Subject: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJOENMCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105011221380.20100-100000@students.si.fct.unl.pt>

On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc Fischer wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I want to get the HTML result from a form into a dtml method. So I need a
> way to handle this result, but HOW.
>
> The form ist like this:
>
> <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> <input type=submit>
> </form>
>
> If I klick on submit, I get the result displayed in the Browser, but I
> cannot work with it.
> Perhaps someone could help me???


Hi,


I think that, if you try
<form action="http://server/the_method_you_want_to_call" method=POST>

it will work.

Paula



From khine@bmpublications.co.uk  Tue May  1 12:33:23 2001
From: khine@bmpublications.co.uk (Norman Khine)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:33:23 +0100
Subject: [Zope] ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOKEPKCIAA.khine@bmpublications.co.uk>

My Zope server keeps on crashing everytime I try to pack the database with
the following error:

2001-05-01T11:05:55 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000\034h', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:05:59 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000 \235', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:05:59 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000#_', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:05:59 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000#`', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:05:59 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000#\\', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:05:59 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000*R', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:05:59 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000*O', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:05:59 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000*P', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:05:59 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000*C', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:05:59 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000*D', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:05:59 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000*B', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:05:59 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000)\311', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:05:59 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\0
00\000\000\000)\312', '')

------
2001-05-01T11:06:00 ERROR(200) ZODB packing
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZODB/DB.py, line 532, in
pack
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line
1239,
 in pack
    (Object: /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/var/Data.fs)
MemoryError:


My Setup
Zope Version  Zope 2.3.2b2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
Python Version  2.0 (#2, Jan 8 2001, 16:54:34) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024
(release)]
System Platform  freebsd4

Any ideas

Thanks

=========================================
"Eternity is Time
Time, eternity
To see the two as opposite
Is Man's Perversity"

The Book of Angelus Silesius





From Stefan Mallepell" <steve@syso.ch  Tue May  1 12:24:42 2001
From: Stefan Mallepell" <steve@syso.ch (Stefan Mallepell)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:24:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Thank you
Message-ID: <009501c0d231$5190d2d0$ac1841c3@LOCHDHU>

Hi

The Website (http://www.kisc.ch) which I was developing is now online
(within time). This was only possible through the support of many of you.
Thanks for a lot for this support!

Stefan Mallepell
a newbie ;)





From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May  1 12:34:41 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 07:34:41 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOKEPKCIAA.khine@bmpublications.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3AEE9F51.5D0C8C19@digicool.com>

Norman Khine wrote:
> 
> My Zope server keeps on crashing everytime I try to pack the database with
> the following error:
<snip> 
> ------
> 2001-05-01T11:06:00 ERROR(200) ZODB packing
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZODB/DB.py, line 532, in
> pack
>   File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line
> 1239,
>  in pack
>     (Object: /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/var/Data.fs)
> MemoryError:

Norman, I've seen you post errors like this a few times.  You've got a
chronic out-of-memory problem.  All of the questions you've posted have
to do with the fact that your Zope process for whatever reason is
running out of RAM.  Why that is happening, I'm not certain, but I
remember that there was a suspicion that your ISP had a size limit on
your process.  Were you able to confirm this?


From marcbpc@gmx.de  Tue May  1 12:43:05 2001
From: marcbpc@gmx.de (Marc Fischer)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:43:05 +0200
Subject: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105011221380.20100-100000@students.si.fct.unl.pt>
Message-ID: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJGENOCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>

Hi,

I think there was an understanding problem. I want to get the source code of
the result that is displayed in the browser, after klicking on the submit
button. I want to be able to handle this source perhabs to create a
dtmlmethod wiht it, or do some string extractions with it.



> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Paula Mangas [mailto:pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 13:25
> An: Marc Fischer
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
>
>
> On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc Fischer wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I want to get the HTML result from a form into a dtml method.
> So I need a
> > way to handle this result, but HOW.
> >
> > The form ist like this:
> >
> > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > <input type=submit>
> > </form>
> >
> > If I klick on submit, I get the result displayed in the Browser, but I
> > cannot work with it.
> > Perhaps someone could help me???
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I think that, if you try
> <form action="http://server/the_method_you_want_to_call" method=POST>
>
> it will work.
>
> Paula
>



From Allen.Vailliencourt@channelmaxinc.com  Tue May  1 13:19:30 2001
From: Allen.Vailliencourt@channelmaxinc.com (Allen.Vailliencourt@channelmaxinc.com)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:19:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] [ANNOUNCE] Zope Book Final
Message-ID: <OF5A816070.852A065B-ON85256A3F.00439BC1@channelmaxinc.com>

Ah! That would figure after I spent 45 minutes yesterday printing and stapling all the html files
for my offline reading. :( Oh well. Great work though! I'm enjoying going through it now.

~Allen




                                                                                                                                
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I'm happy to announce that the Zope Book is finished.

  http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB

You can read it online, or download it in HTML and PDF format.

The book has been sent off to the publisher and you should be able to
pick it up in stores within a month or two.

I want to give a big thank you to everyone who has helped a long the
way. Thanks!

-Amos

P.S. The book will continue to evolve as Zope grows and changes. This
version of the book covers Zope 2.3. We will continue to improve the
book and add new chapters to cover topics such as XML and Page
Templates. If you want to be a part of this process take a look at the
project page.

  http://www.zope.org/DocProjects/Book

--
Amos Latteier         mailto:amos@digicool.com
Digital Creations     http://www.digicool.com

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From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May  1 13:57:18 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:57:18 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOKEPLCIAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c0d23e$41851560$11be643f@kurtz>

This depends on your application, but Zope likes lots of RAM.  How much
memory do you have available now?  Take that number and double or triple it,
and see it it works then.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman Khine" <khine@btinternet.com>
To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:53 AM
Subject: RE: [Zope] ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21


> Yes, Chris, they do have a limit the processes, but was told that I can
> unlimit this and once I did this they would inform me if any processes
hogh
> too much memory by e-mail. Well I suppose the the issue is with my ISP --
> but can you tell me what sort of requirement do I need from my ISP to be
> able to run ZOPE without any chronic out-of-memory problems
>
> Thanks again
>
> Norman
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Chris
> McDonough
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:35 PM
> To: Norman Khine
> Cc: Zope Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Zope] ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21
>
>
> Norman Khine wrote:
> >
> > My Zope server keeps on crashing everytime I try to pack the database
with
> > the following error:
> <snip>
> > ------
> > 2001-05-01T11:06:00 ERROR(200) ZODB packing
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZODB/DB.py, line 532,
in
> > pack
> >   File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py,
line
> > 1239,
> >  in pack
> >     (Object: /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/var/Data.fs)
> > MemoryError:
>
> Norman, I've seen you post errors like this a few times.  You've got a
> chronic out-of-memory problem.  All of the questions you've posted have
> to do with the fact that your Zope process for whatever reason is
> running out of RAM.  Why that is happening, I'm not certain, but I
> remember that there was a suspicion that your ISP had a size limit on
> your process.  Were you able to confirm this?
>
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From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue May  1 14:02:13 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:02:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Passing the value of a checkbox from a form to a dtml-method
Message-ID: <01050115021301.03952@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I have a problem doing <subject>
I have added a checkbox in a form, but when the submit button is hitted, the 
value of the checkbox isn't passed along to the receiving method.
The checkbox code looks like this:
<INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="isPublic">

Pretty normal I would say .. but perhaps someone out there have had my 
problem ?

Regards,

-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From tim@freepm.org  Tue May  1 14:17:20 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:17:20 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Passing the value of a checkbox from a form to a dtml-method
References: <01050115021301.03952@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <3AEEB760.53AF8FFC@iswt.com>

Gitte Wange wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a problem doing <subject>
> I have added a checkbox in a form, but when the submit button is hitted, the
> value of the checkbox isn't passed along to the receiving method.
> The checkbox code looks like this:
> <INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="isPublic">
> 
> Pretty normal I would say .. but perhaps someone out there have had my
> problem ?
> 

I don't know exactly what problem you're having, but my guess is
this will solve it.

With checkboxes, the variable name does not exist in the REQUEST
space unless the box is checked.
So:

<dtml-if isPublic>
  ...do some stuff...
<dtml-else>
  ...do other stuff...
</dtml-if>

Put this little method in your root folder and use it as an
action in your forms to help troubleshoot these issues (and other
REQUEST problems).

--- show_request DTML Method-------
<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-var REQUEST>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>
----------------------------------

HTH,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From maxm@normik.dk  Tue May  1 14:19:23 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:19:23 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Passing the value of a checkbox from a form to a dtml-
 method
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197CDD@exchange>

> From: Gitte Wange [mailto:gitte@mmmanager.org]

> value of the checkbox isn't passed along to the receiving method.
> The checkbox code looks like this:
> <INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="isPublic">

Perhaps you have forgotten the value it should have when checked?

<INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="isPublic:int" value="1">

Furthermore if a checkbox isn't checked, no value will be send at all.

Maybe it would be simpler to use a select? Then you will allways get a
value.

<input type=select name=isPublic:int>
    <option value=1>Public<option>
    <option value=0>Hidden<option>
</input>

regards Max M


From LEEDM@state.mi.us  Tue May  1 14:59:12 2001
From: LEEDM@state.mi.us (Darin Lee)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 09:59:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Stupid WEBDAV question
Message-ID: <saee88f8.044@gwia02.state.mi.us>

Zopatistas,

Please forgive my "thickness" on this question. I have been trying to do =
editing via WEBDAV for quite some time and have never gotten it to work. =
If I use IE 5.5, select Open (as webfolder) with "localhost:8080" as the =
location - I can see the Zope root folder files - but I can never edit or =
save (if I do open the document for editing, it's a local read-only copy). =
It's almost as though I am opening the folder as "anonymous user" - with =
the Zope "view" permission only. I am working on Windows 2000 Professional =
- with an instance of Zope/Medusa running locally.=20

So, how does Zope know who I am when I access via WEBDAV? Is it using my =
Windows credentials for authentication?=20

Thanks in advance,
-Darin Lee





From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May  1 15:06:27 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:06:27 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Stupid WEBDAV question
References: <saee88f8.044@gwia02.state.mi.us>
Message-ID: <00db01c0d247$e9f9ff40$11be643f@kurtz>

Hi Darin,

try as the URL:

http://darin:123@localhost:8080/

where "darin" is your username and "123" is your Zope password.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darin Lee" <LEEDM@state.mi.us>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:59 AM
Subject: [Zope] Stupid WEBDAV question


Zopatistas,

Please forgive my "thickness" on this question. I have been trying to do
editing via WEBDAV for quite some time and have never gotten it to work. If
I use IE 5.5, select Open (as webfolder) with "localhost:8080" as the
location - I can see the Zope root folder files - but I can never edit or
save (if I do open the document for editing, it's a local read-only copy).
It's almost as though I am opening the folder as "anonymous user" - with the
Zope "view" permission only. I am working on Windows 2000 Professional -
with an instance of Zope/Medusa running locally.

So, how does Zope know who I am when I access via WEBDAV? Is it using my
Windows credentials for authentication?

Thanks in advance,
-Darin Lee




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From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May  1 15:10:04 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:10:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOCEABCJAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <00fa01c0d248$6b9ccb90$11be643f@kurtz>

Hi Norman,

Please keep the messages on the list.

THere is 512MB of RAM on the server.  How much RAM is your Zope process
limited to?

As far as the medusa error goes, this can happen when a client disconnects
(presses the "stop" button) when downloading a page.

- C


----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman Khine" <khine@btinternet.com>
To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:08 AM
Subject: RE: [Zope] ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21


> On the server there is 512mb of ram. I got this error now
>
> 2001-05-01T13:54:58 ERROR(200) ZServer uncaptured python exception,
closing
> channel <zhttp_channel connected 212.229.137.97:1528 at 8ccf3ec channel#:
0
> requests:> (socket.error:(32, 'Broken pipe')
>
[/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/ZServer/medusa/asynchat.py|initiate_send|211
> ] [/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/ZServer/medusa/http_server.py|send|399]
> [/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|send|282])
>
> Norman
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Chris
> McDonough
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:57 PM
> To: Norman Khine
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21
>
>
> This depends on your application, but Zope likes lots of RAM.  How much
> memory do you have available now?  Take that number and double or triple
it,
> and see it it works then.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norman Khine" <khine@btinternet.com>
> To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:53 AM
> Subject: RE: [Zope] ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21
>
>
> > Yes, Chris, they do have a limit the processes, but was told that I can
> > unlimit this and once I did this they would inform me if any processes
> hogh
> > too much memory by e-mail. Well I suppose the the issue is with my
ISP --
> > but can you tell me what sort of requirement do I need from my ISP to be
> > able to run ZOPE without any chronic out-of-memory problems
> >
> > Thanks again
> >
> > Norman
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Chris
> > McDonough
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:35 PM
> > To: Norman Khine
> > Cc: Zope Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21
> >
> >
> > Norman Khine wrote:
> > >
> > > My Zope server keeps on crashing everytime I try to pack the database
> with
> > > the following error:
> > <snip>
> > > ------
> > > 2001-05-01T11:06:00 ERROR(200) ZODB packing
> > > Traceback (innermost last):
> > >   File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZODB/DB.py, line 532,
> in
> > > pack
> > >   File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py,
> line
> > > 1239,
> > >  in pack
> > >     (Object: /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/var/Data.fs)
> > > MemoryError:
> >
> > Norman, I've seen you post errors like this a few times.  You've got a
> > chronic out-of-memory problem.  All of the questions you've posted have
> > to do with the fact that your Zope process for whatever reason is
> > running out of RAM.  Why that is happening, I'm not certain, but I
> > remember that there was a suspicion that your ISP had a size limit on
> > your process.  Were you able to confirm this?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From hohoff@rz.uni-potsdam.de  Tue May  1 15:15:16 2001
From: hohoff@rz.uni-potsdam.de (Holger Hoffmann)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:15:16 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Passing the value of a checkbox from a form to a dtml-method
References: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197CDD@exchange>
Message-ID: <3AEEC4F4.322E4D33@snafu.de>

Hi,

Max MXller Rasmussen wrote:
> 
> > From: Gitte Wange [mailto:gitte@mmmanager.org]
> 
> > value of the checkbox isn't passed along to the receiving method.
> > The checkbox code looks like this:
> > <INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="isPublic">
> 
> Perhaps you have forgotten the value it should have when checked?
> 
> <INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="isPublic:int" value="1">
> 
> Furthermore if a checkbox isn't checked, no value will be send at all.

one solution:

<input type"hidden" name="isPublic:default" value="0">
<input type"checkbox" name="isPublic" value="1">

so when the chackbox isn't checked you get the default
value.
 
... Holger


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Tue May  1 15:16:36 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:16:36 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Passing the value of a checkbox from a form to a dtml-method
References: <01050115021301.03952@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <3AEEC544.CBAEAC0A@kaivo.com>

Gitte Wange wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a problem doing <subject>
> I have added a checkbox in a form, but when the submit button is hitted, the
> value of the checkbox isn't passed along to the receiving method.
> The checkbox code looks like this:
> <INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="isPublic">
> 
> Pretty normal I would say .. but perhaps someone out there have had my
> problem ?
> 
> Regards,
> 

You could try this:

<input type="hidden" name="isPublic:default" value="0">
<input type="checkbox" name="isPublic" value="1">

If the checkbox is not checked, Zope will pass the default value in the
hidden field instead.

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From LEEDM@state.mi.us  Tue May  1 15:22:58 2001
From: LEEDM@state.mi.us (Darin Lee)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:22:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Stupid WEBDAV question
Message-ID: <saee8e85.048@gwia01.state.mi.us>

Chris,

That did the trick, problem solved.  :-)
Supplying the credentials that way never occured to me (DUH!).

Thanks!
-Darin

>>> "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com> 05/01/01 10:06AM >>>
Hi Darin,

try as the URL:

http://darin:123@localhost:8080/=20

where "darin" is your username and "123" is your Zope password.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darin Lee" <LEEDM@state.mi.us>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:59 AM
Subject: [Zope] Stupid WEBDAV question


Zopatistas,

Please forgive my "thickness" on this question. I have been trying to do
editing via WEBDAV for quite some time and have never gotten it to work. =
If
I use IE 5.5, select Open (as webfolder) with "localhost:8080" as the
location - I can see the Zope root folder files - but I can never edit or
save (if I do open the document for editing, it's a local read-only copy).
It's almost as though I am opening the folder as "anonymous user" - with =
the
Zope "view" permission only. I am working on Windows 2000 Professional -
with an instance of Zope/Medusa running locally.

So, how does Zope know who I am when I access via WEBDAV? Is it using my
Windows credentials for authentication?

Thanks in advance,
-Darin Lee




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From jerome@levinux.org  Tue May  1 16:22:20 2001
From: jerome@levinux.org (=?iso-8859-1?q?J=E9r=F4me=20Loisel?=)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:22:20 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope IOError messages (FOUND TEST CASE)
In-Reply-To: <011c01c0d1e3$fdeaf8b0$6801a8c0@kurtz>
References: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICEEMDGFAA.lstafford@morphics.com> <01043015452900.04652@levinux-lab> <011c01c0d1e3$fdeaf8b0$6801a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <01050111222000.08585@levinux-lab>

Chris McDonough -- Lundi 30 Avril 2001 22:11:
> Jerome,
>
> Are you seeing "script returned printed without using printed variable"
> messages inside your log file (STUPID_LOG_FILE?)  What messages are you
> seeing in the logfile?

I have never really had to muck around STUPID_LOG_FILE, so I am ignorant with 
regards to it. Care to educate me? The only file which seems to fit the bill 
in var/ is log.txt, and that is empty.

I quickly looked at stupidFileLogger.py and noticed that if STUPID_LOG_FILE 
is not set, logging is done to stderr. AFAICS, STUPID_LOG_FILE is not set on 
my system, and the "start" script does not initiate it.

If you can tell me how to properly set STUPID_LOG_FILE, I can do more testing 
and tell you about it.

>
> It seems that the problem is related to opening and closing the logfile,
> which may be symptomatic of an out-of-disk-space issue.

I am pretty sure that free space is not the issue. The server for this 
installation has 3 gigs left on the partition which contains Zope... A 
permission problem, maybe? Why would it only crop up then?

Thanks in advance,

Jérôme Loisel

>
> - C
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jérôme Loisel" <jerome@levinux.org>
> To: "Loren Stafford" <lstafford@morphics.com>
> Cc: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope IOError messages (FOUND TEST CASE)
>
>
>
> Hi Loren, hi all.
>
> Loren Stafford -- Lundi 30 Avril 2001 15:30:
> > What platform is your Zope running on?
>
> I am running Zope 2.3.2 (binary release) on a Mandrake 7.2 system.
>
> Thinking about it, I realized that this specific error seemed to happen in
> relation to me trying to create PythonScript objects which contained bugs.
> I tried a few things and have come up with a test case.
>
> Trying to edit a PythonScript object to the following code will trigger the
> error.
>
> <testcase>
> print "Allo!"
>
> if foo:
>
> return printed
> </testcase>
>
> As you can see, the script is buggy. Still, this should not render Zope
> un-editable. I am not sure that this covers the full extent of the problem,
> but it could.
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> > > Jérôme Loisel
> > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:52
> > > To: zope@zope.org
> > > Subject: [Zope] Zope IOError messages
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > After working on my website for a few hours, I sometimes start getting
> > > IOErrors from Zope in stupid_log_write. See the full message here:
> > >
> > > http://zope.levinux.org/ioerror.html
> > >
> > > This only happens when editing the site. Upon encountering this
> > > error once,
> > > all subsequent attempts at modifying the site (or even restarting
> > > Zope from
> > > the control panel) fail with the same error. Simply viewing the site,
> > > however, will continue working.
> > >
> > > This problem is does not crop up constantly, but it is not rare either.
>
> I
>
> > > work full-time on the website, and this IOError happens a few
> > > times a week.
> > > It seems to be happening more recently. (Maybe I should pack my
> > > database?)
> > >
> > > I would like to know why this happens and whether or not I can do
> > > something
> > > about it. The site is meant to be dynamic user-editable. I can manually
> > > restart the Zope server, but my users cannot. So this could
> > > easily turn into
> > > a big headache if the problem persists.
> > >
> > > Thank you very much in advance. Cheers,
> > >
> > > Jérôme Loisel
>
> --
> Jérôme Loisel, étudiant et webmestre
> Lévinux: GNU/Linux pour la communauté
> http://www.levinux.org/
>
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From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May  1 16:31:03 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:31:03 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Passing the value of a checkbox from a form to a dtml-method
References: <01050115021301.03952@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <004601c0d253$bb46c5f0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Gitte Wange]


I have a problem doing <subject>
I have added a checkbox in a form, but when the submit button is hitted, the
value of the checkbox isn't passed along to the receiving method.
The checkbox code looks like this:
<INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="isPublic">

You have to supply a "value" attribute.   For example, if you have

<INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="isPublic" value='on'>

Then, when the box has been checked, the form will contain 'on' as the value
of 'isPublic'.  If the box is not checked, that property will not exist in
the form's returned data.

Cheers,

Tom P




From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May  1 16:34:33 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:34:33 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Passing the value of a checkbox from a form to a dtml-method
References: <01050115021301.03952@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <3AEEC544.CBAEAC0A@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <005001c0d254$389fdaa0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Casey Duncan]

>
> You could try this:
>
> <input type="hidden" name="isPublic:default" value="0">
> <input type="checkbox" name="isPublic" value="1">
>
> If the checkbox is not checked, Zope will pass the default value in the
> hidden field instead.
>
 But if it IS checked, I believe the form will contain a list of the two
values, that is,

isPublic=["0","1"]

At least, it works like that if you have several check boxes of the same
name.  So one way or another, somewhere you have to check the nature of the
returned data.

Cheers,

Tom P



From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May  1 16:49:34 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:49:34 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope IOError messages (FOUND TEST CASE)
In-Reply-To: <01050111222000.08585@levinux-lab>
Message-ID: <web-1855217@digicool.com>

On Tue, 1 May 2001 11:22:20 -0400
 Jérôme Loisel <jerome@levinux.org> wrote:

> I have never really had to muck around STUPID_LOG_FILE,
> so I am ignorant with 
> regards to it. Care to educate me? The only file which
> seems to fit the bill 
> in var/ is log.txt, and that is empty.

Setting the env var STUPID_LOG_FILE tells Zope where to log
event messages.

> 
> I quickly looked at stupidFileLogger.py and noticed that
> if STUPID_LOG_FILE 
> is not set, logging is done to stderr. AFAICS,
> STUPID_LOG_FILE is not set on 
> my system, and the "start" script does not initiate it.

OK.

> If you can tell me how to properly set STUPID_LOG_FILE, I
> can do more testing 
> and tell you about it.

On UNIX (in the "start" shell script):

export STUPID_LOG_FILE='var/debug.log'

If you're on Windows, it's probably something like:

set STUPID_LOG_FILE=c:\path\to\var\debug.log

It may be that the very act of doing this causes your errors
to go away.  Perhaps stderr was disappearing somehow.


From michel@digicool.com  Tue May  1 19:19:37 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:19:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] XML-RPC over SSL
In-Reply-To: <87bspj54mu.fsf@knapek.pvt.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105011118110.5993-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On 27 Apr 2001, Petr Knapek wrote:

> Hi Zopists,
> does anybody of you know how to do "subject" in Zope 2.3.0 (2.3.1) on
> Linux Debian.
> 
> I have already installed M2Crypto but do not know how to use it.  When I
> tried this in python:
> 
> from M2Crypto import xmlrpclib2
> s = xmlrpclib2.Server("https://uid:password@host/")
> print s.index_html()
> 
> this error is returned:
> 
> >>> print s.index_html()
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
>   File "/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/xmlrpclib.py", line 547, in __call__
>     return self.__send(self.__name, args)
>   File "/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/xmlrpclib.py", line 630, in __request
>     request
>   File "/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/xmlrpclib.py", line 560, in request
>     h = httplib.HTTP(host)
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/httplib.py", line 51, in __init__
>     if host: self.connect(host, port)
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/httplib.py", line 75, in connect
>     raise socket.error, "nonnumeric port"
> socket.error: nonnumeric port
> 
> 
> Can anybody help me?

xmlrpclib does not understand the uid:password@url syntax.  This is not
how you do authentication with xmlrpclib, you need to subclass and create
your own transport.  The new xmlrpclib should come with a transport that
supports Basic authentication.  See the xmlrpclib sources or the xmlrpclib
mailing list for more info.

-Michel



From jvandyk@iastate.edu  Tue May  1 19:23:47 2001
From: jvandyk@iastate.edu (John VanDyk)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:23:47 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zope and FastCGI installation
Message-ID: <p05010410b714abc44a42@[129.186.120.53]>

I'm trying to enter the world of Zope.

I've got FreeBSD 4.3 running and I've installed the Apache port with 
mod_fastcgi. The reason I'd like to use Apache is that I'll have some 
large files (QuickTime movies) that I don't want to put into Zope. It 
sounded to me from reading doc/WEBSERVER.txt that fastcgi was the 
best way to go, as it permits Zope to run multithreaded and allows 
Apache to handle static files. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

I've installed Zope 2.3.2 from source and it seems to have come up 
OK. I've done the modifications listed in WEBSERVER.txt and I get the 
message

2001-05-01T18:55:57 INFO(0) ZServer FastCGI Server (V1.0) started at 
Tue May  1 13:55:57 2001
         IP          :
         Port        : None
         Socket path : /usr/local/www/Zope/fastcgisocket/fastcgi.soc

when Zope starts so it seems to be ready. But when I point my browser 
at my.server.org/zope Apache tells me that "The server encountered an 
internal error or misconfiguration" and Apache's error log elaborates:

[Tue May  1 14:17:01 2001] [error] [client 129.186.111.11] FastCGI: 
invalid (dynamic) server "/usr/local/www/data/zope": script not found 
or unable to stat()

I think I've pretty much followed the instructions to the letter, but 
I must have missed something.

John


From jerome@levinux.org  Tue May  1 19:32:13 2001
From: jerome@levinux.org (=?iso-8859-1?q?J=E9r=F4me=20Loisel?=)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:32:13 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope IOError messages (FOUND TEST CASE)
In-Reply-To: <011c01c0d1e3$fdeaf8b0$6801a8c0@kurtz>
References: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICEEMDGFAA.lstafford@morphics.com> <01043015452900.04652@levinux-lab> <011c01c0d1e3$fdeaf8b0$6801a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <01050114321300.11314@levinux-lab>

Hello Chris,

Chris McDonough -- Lundi 30 Avril 2001 22:11:
> Jerome,
>
> Are you seeing "script returned printed without using printed variable"
> messages inside your log file (STUPID_LOG_FILE?)  What messages are you
> seeing in the logfile?
>
> It seems that the problem is related to opening and closing the logfile,
> which may be symptomatic of an out-of-disk-space issue.

I have set STUPID_LOG_FILE and my problems have gone away. I have thought 
about what you told me and now think I understand what the problem was.

The server's boot process automatically starts Zope. I do not believe that 
problems cropped up when this was how Zope was started. I believe that my 
problems happen when I manually restart Zope. I occasionnally do this when I 
install new products or experience major problems.

To manually restart Zope, I do the following: I open a shell, su, run the 
stop script, run the start script, check that everything works and exit my 
shell. You supposed that maybe stderr disappears somehow, causing my 
IOErrors... Would closing my shell not make stderr disappear?

If so, maybe this should be considered a bug in the default setup of the 
start script? The start script should start a fully functional Zope, even if 
the shell il later closed. In my opinion, at least. :-)

In any case, I very much thank you for your help. My problem seems resolved 
now. Cheers,

Jérôme Loisel


-- 
Jérôme Loisel, étudiant et webmestre
Lévinux: GNU/Linux pour la communauté
http://www.levinux.org/


From dieter@handshake.de  Tue May  1 20:02:36 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:02:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [Ann] emulateRedirect: emulates redirection inside Zope
Message-ID: <200105011902.VAA02120@lindm.dm>

The common task:

     A user fills a form and submits it. The submitted data is checked
     and if problems are detected, the user gets its
     original form together with a problem indication
     *AND* his already filled in data.

is not yet well supported.

A redirection to the form suffers from browser differences
in the handling of the old request data and
the difficulty to add all of them into the redirected
URL.

Presenting the form without redirection is possible
but has several caveats:

  Side effects caused before the problem has been detected are
  difficult to discard.

  The 'base' used by the browser for URL resolution may
  become wrong, seriously confusing the browser and/or
  Zope.


The small External Method 'emulateRedirect' emulates
a redirect without an extra interaction with the browser.
It resets the REQUEST parameters such that they get
the same values as for a direct traversal to the
redirected object. Furthermore, it sets the
'base' tag used by the browser for resolution of
relative URL such that relative references from the
redirected to object become correct.
'emulateRedirect' provides control over the transaction
('abort', 'commit', 'keep').


'emulateRedirect' works for Zope 2.3. It may work with Zope 2.2.
As it uses undocumented Zope publishing features, it may
break with any new Zope version.


More information and download via:

  URL:http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope




Dieter


From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May  1 20:29:25 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:29:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope] SECURITY alert and hotfix release
Message-ID: <012501c0d275$088870e0$a8063bd0@kurtz>

Hello All,

  Dieter Maurer uncovered a potential security issue yesterday that
  necessitated a hotfix release.

  This hotfix addresses an important security issue that affects Zope
  versions up to and including Zope 2.3.2.

  The issue is related to ZClasses in that any user can visit a ZClass
  declaration and change the ZClass permission mappings for methods
  and other objects defined within the ZClass, possibly allowing
  for unauthorized access within the Zope instance.

  We *highly* recommend that any Zope site running versions of
  Zope up to and including 2.3.2 have this hotfix product installed
  to mitigate this issue.

    - http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/Hotfix_2001-05-01/README.txt

    -
http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/Hotfix_2001-05-01/Hotfix_2001-05-01.tgz



From marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de  Tue May  1 21:16:25 2001
From: marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de (Marcus Schopen)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 22:16:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] executing dynamically generated code (eval)?
Message-ID: <988748185.3aef199921add@marcus.localguru.de>

Hi there,

is there a kind of dtml-eval command?

I'd like to execute dynamicly generated code like:
<dtml-var <dtml-var someting>>.

Thank you
Marcus


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May  1 21:56:54 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:56:54 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Stupid WEBDAV question
References: <saee88f8.044@gwia02.state.mi.us> <00db01c0d247$e9f9ff40$11be643f@kurtz>
Message-ID: <005d01c0d281$438ecca0$a089403e@typhoon>

Would this work if Zope is using something like LoginManager I wonder?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
To: "Darin Lee" <LEEDM@state.mi.us>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Stupid WEBDAV question


> Hi Darin,
>
> try as the URL:
>
> http://darin:123@localhost:8080/
>
> where "darin" is your username and "123" is your Zope password.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darin Lee" <LEEDM@state.mi.us>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:59 AM
> Subject: [Zope] Stupid WEBDAV question
>
>
> Zopatistas,
>
> Please forgive my "thickness" on this question. I have been trying to do
> editing via WEBDAV for quite some time and have never gotten it to work.
If
> I use IE 5.5, select Open (as webfolder) with "localhost:8080" as the
> location - I can see the Zope root folder files - but I can never edit or
> save (if I do open the document for editing, it's a local read-only copy).
> It's almost as though I am opening the folder as "anonymous user" - with
the
> Zope "view" permission only. I am working on Windows 2000 Professional -
> with an instance of Zope/Medusa running locally.
>
> So, how does Zope know who I am when I access via WEBDAV? Is it using my
> Windows credentials for authentication?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -Darin Lee
>
>
>
>
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From renfro@tntech.edu  Tue May  1 21:58:08 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:58:08 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zope IOError messages (FOUND TEST CASE)
In-Reply-To: <01050114321300.11314@levinux-lab>; from jerome@levinux.org on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 02:32:13PM -0400
References: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICEEMDGFAA.lstafford@morphics.com> <01043015452900.04652@levinux-lab> <011c01c0d1e3$fdeaf8b0$6801a8c0@kurtz> <01050114321300.11314@levinux-lab>
Message-ID: <20010501155808.B27291@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 02:32:13PM -0400, J?r?me Loisel wrote:

> To manually restart Zope, I do the following: I open a shell, su, run the 
> stop script, run the start script, check that everything works and exit my 
> shell. You supposed that maybe stderr disappears somehow, causing my 
> IOErrors... Would closing my shell not make stderr disappear?

Whenever I've manually restarted Zope from a remote session, I've
often gotten IOErrors -- you've pretty well nailed the reason it
happens. My workarounds:

(1) Restart Zope from inside a 'screen' session, then detach
    screen. Zope always believes it has an open valid stderr, even if I'm
    not actively watching it.

(2) Find whatever product or code is mindlessly spitting debugs out to
    stderr (usually via Python print statements), and edit them
    out. I've seen this with WorldPilot, ZopeGUD components, etc.

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From dieter@handshake.de  Tue May  1 21:30:16 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 22:30:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] XML-RPC over SSL
In-Reply-To: <610798156@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15087.7384.822096.457083@lindm.dm>

Petr Knapek writes:
 > from M2Crypto import xmlrpclib2
 > s =3D xmlrpclib2.Server("https://uid:password@host/")
 >     raise socket.error, "nonnumeric port"
 > socket.error: nonnumeric port
Seems that the "password@host" part has been interpreted
as a port number (which it is not).

May you away, when you add the port after host explicitly.

   s =3D xmlrpclib2.Server("https://uid:password@host:443/")

If it does not help, you will need to look into the source
how the host part is analysed. May need a fix ....


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Tue May  1 21:32:30 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 22:32:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Copy & Paste CatalogAware Zclass
In-Reply-To: <823768505@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15087.7518.805565.955913@lindm.dm>

Mark N. Gibson writes:
 > I have a folderish object containing other CatalogAware Zclasses.  When
 > I try to copy and paste, I get the following error:
 > 
 > (Using Zope 2.3.1)
 > 
 > Error Type: KeyError
 > Error Value: SERVER_URL

What a strange traceback with intermingled "2.3"/"2.2" file references.

Maybe, your problem will disappear with a "clean" Zope install?

 > <!--
 > ...
 > line 223, in publish_module
 >   File /usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.3.x/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
 > line 187, in publish
 >   File /usr/local/zope/LegalTree-2.2.x/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line
 > 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
 >     (Object: Traversable)
 > ...



Dieter


From Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca  Tue May  1 22:01:14 2001
From: Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca (Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:01:14 -0400
Subject: [Zope] executing dynamically generated code (eval)?
Message-ID: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E010AC399@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D281.DBF31910
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Try:
<dtml-var "_[something]">

-----Message d'origine-----
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Envoy=E9 : mardi 1 mai 2001 16:16
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Objet : [Zope] executing dynamically generated code (eval)?


Hi there,

is there a kind of dtml-eval command?

I'd like to execute dynamicly generated code like:
<dtml-var <dtml-var someting>>.

Thank you
Marcus

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From brianw@hilgraeve.com  Tue May  1 22:47:40 2001
From: brianw@hilgraeve.com (Brian Withun)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:47:40 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope Data Access Flaw?
Message-ID: <OEEKLKNFDCANKBNICNKCMEMFCOAA.brianw@hilgraeve.com>

I am using 2.1.4 (linux), and have stumbled across this little quirk...


Create a ZSQL Method as follows:

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
SELECT <dtml-var "_.whrandom.randint(1000,9999)"> AS random_value
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D



(Our ZSQL Method is connected to Sybase, but this works on MySQL as well)

Then, simply test the ZSQL Method.

Here's what I get:



Random value
----------------
2754

SQL used:
select 7684 as random_value



2754 is clearly not the same as 7684.


This is quite repeatable, with different random numbers each time.
This works as expected if I replace the whrandom call with a constant,
but I can't imagine how whrandom can be the culprit.

Bri=E1n Withun



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Tue May  1 22:52:54 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:52:54 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope Data Access Flaw?
References: <OEEKLKNFDCANKBNICNKCMEMFCOAA.brianw@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <3AEF3036.1849D8BA@kaivo.com>

Brian Withun wrote:
>=20
> I am using 2.1.4 (linux), and have stumbled across this little quirk...
>=20
> Create a ZSQL Method as follows:
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> SELECT <dtml-var "_.whrandom.randint(1000,9999)"> AS random_value
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=20
> (Our ZSQL Method is connected to Sybase, but this works on MySQL as wel=
l)
>=20
> Then, simply test the ZSQL Method.
>=20
> Here's what I get:
>=20
> Random value
> ----------------
> 2754
>=20
> SQL used:
> select 7684 as random_value
>=20
> 2754 is clearly not the same as 7684.
>=20
> This is quite repeatable, with different random numbers each time.
> This works as expected if I replace the whrandom call with a constant,
> but I can't imagine how whrandom can be the culprit.
>=20
> Bri=E1n Withun

This is happening because Zope replays the method when it displays the
SQL after testing it. So, randint is being called twice. Once to send
the SQL code to the database and once more to display it on the screen.

--=20
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From randy@spoke.net  Tue May  1 23:01:42 2001
From: randy@spoke.net (Randall F. Kern)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:01:42 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope Data Access Flaw?
Message-ID: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE4ED6@sammamish-dc.spoke.net>

BTW, this is fixed recent builds (like 2.3.1)

-Randy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Casey Duncan [mailto:cduncan@kaivo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:53 PM
> To: Brian Withun
> Cc: Zope mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope Data Access Flaw?
>=20
>=20
> Brian Withun wrote:
> >=20
> > I am using 2.1.4 (linux), and have stumbled across this=20
> little quirk...
> >=20
> > Create a ZSQL Method as follows:
> >=20
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > SELECT <dtml-var "_.whrandom.randint(1000,9999)"> AS random_value
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >=20
> > (Our ZSQL Method is connected to Sybase, but this works on=20
> MySQL as well)
> >=20
> > Then, simply test the ZSQL Method.
> >=20
> > Here's what I get:
> >=20
> > Random value
> > ----------------
> > 2754
> >=20
> > SQL used:
> > select 7684 as random_value
> >=20
> > 2754 is clearly not the same as 7684.
> >=20
> > This is quite repeatable, with different random numbers each time.
> > This works as expected if I replace the whrandom call with=20
> a constant,
> > but I can't imagine how whrandom can be the culprit.
> >=20
> > Bri=E1n Withun
>=20
> This is happening because Zope replays the method when it displays the
> SQL after testing it. So, randint is being called twice. Once to send
> the SQL code to the database and once more to display it on=20
> the screen.
>=20
> --=20
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> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
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From astlj@hotmail.com  Tue May  1 23:53:07 2001
From: astlj@hotmail.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 14:53:07 -0800
Subject: [Zope] How do you do a simple relocate?
Message-ID: <F5J6pkNzPZrIkyPzGNs0000de41@hotmail.com>

Ok, first of all - I'm new to Zope (1 week). Now, what I'm trying to do is 
relocate from one page to another. Something very simple, such as if a user 
comes to a certain page, based on some variable, the user will be relocated 
to another page.

I can do a server side include, but this really isn't what I wanted.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Tommy
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From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May  1 23:56:39 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 23:56:39 +0100
Subject: [Zope] How do you do a simple relocate?
References: <F5J6pkNzPZrIkyPzGNs0000de41@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c0d292$0153c820$8b8a403e@typhoon>

<dtml-call "RESPONSE.redirect('some form of url goes here')">

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From: "Tommy Johnson" <astlj@hotmail.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:53 PM
Subject: [Zope] How do you do a simple relocate?


> Ok, first of all - I'm new to Zope (1 week). Now, what I'm trying to do is
> relocate from one page to another. Something very simple, such as if a
user
> comes to a certain page, based on some variable, the user will be
relocated
> to another page.
>
> I can do a server side include, but this really isn't what I wanted.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tommy
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From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May  1 23:58:57 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:58:57 -0400
Subject: [Zope] How do you do a simple relocate?
References: <F5J6pkNzPZrIkyPzGNs0000de41@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3AEF3FB1.FD5B980@digicool.com>

Hi Tommy,

Here's something that will send the user to an alternate page based on
his identity.

<dtml-if "REQUEST['AUTHORIZED_USER'].getUserName() == 'admin'>
   <dtml-call
"REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect('http://another/page/somewhere')">
</dtml-if>


Tommy Johnson wrote:
> 
> Ok, first of all - I'm new to Zope (1 week). Now, what I'm trying to do is
> relocate from one page to another. Something very simple, such as if a user
> comes to a certain page, based on some variable, the user will be relocated
> to another page.
> 
> I can do a server side include, but this really isn't what I wanted.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Tommy
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From marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de  Wed May  2 00:12:47 2001
From: marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de (Marcus Schopen)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 01:12:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] something like getpath in ZCatalog for methods
Message-ID: <988758767.3aef42ef2a75a@marcus.localguru.de>

Hi there,

is it possible to get the absolut position/url of a method (e.g. method_X) that
is located somewhere in one of the above parents folders?
Something like getpath in ZCatalog.

Looks like this:

Folder_A
testing_method
method_X
   Folder_A1
      Folder_A1.2
         method_X
      Folder_A1.3
   Folder_A2
Foder_B
   Folder_B1
      method_X

Folder_C
...

Calling "testing_method" in "Folder_A1.2" should give a the the position
of "method_X" in "Folder_A1.2"
Calling testing_method in "Folder_B.1" should give a the the position
of the "method_X" in "Folder_B1"

In other words: whats the position of my next "method_X"

Thanks a lot
Marcus


From Danny@Adair.net  Wed May  2 00:26:29 2001
From: Danny@Adair.net (Danny William Adair)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:26:29 +1200
Subject: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJGENOCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <JIEMJAOKEEMJAAOOJGOMMECLDOAA.Danny@Adair.net>

Hi Marc,

When you submit a form to one of your DTML methods or documents, all the
form variables will be available without any further work to be done
(REQUEST object, see docs). But if I get you right, you are not submitting
your form to a method of your own. So things are a bit different here.

As I understand it, you are submitting your form to someone else's server
(since otherwise you would produce the output yourself). Maybe you're
providing an input form that is directed to a search engine, or something
similar.

--------------------------------------------
<form action="http://server" method=POST>
<input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
<input type=hidden name="y" value="b">

<input type="text" name="myInput">

<input type=submit>
</form>
--------------------------------------------

If so, then you should take a look at the "KebasData" Product:
http://www.zope.org/Members/kedai/KebasData

Just instantiate a KebasData object, let's say "results". Take a look at the
product's documentation to see how you can extract the relevant code from
the external server's result page. I'll try to get you started right away:

Set the regular expression patterns properly, start with

.*

as the search pattern and leave the rest blank ("url" will be set by a DTML
method you create, see below), then you'll get the entire external page, you
can change that later to fit your needs.

Then create a DTML method next to it, lets say "getResults". It could look
like this:

<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<h2>RESULTS</h3>
<dtml-with results>
  <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('new_url', 'http://server?search=' + myInput)">
  <dtml-call "get_matched(new_url)">
  <dtml-in match>
    <dtml-var result><br/>
  </dtml-in>
</dtml-with>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>

This will fetch the page you want to display by calling
"get_matched(new_url)", you construct that new_url dynamically, using your
form variable "myInput". Then it iterates through the results list and spits
out the parts that matched your query, appending a <br/> after each match
(if you started with .* as the pattern, the list will only have one item,
holding the complete page).

Oh, right: your DTML method should have a proxy role that has the right to
"change KebasData" (or maybe even "View management_screens"?) on the
KebasData object "results", since it calls its function "get_matched", which
is usually only called by clicking "Initialize!" in the management screen of
the KebasData object.

Now you just send your form to "getResults" (instead of the external server
directly), and let your DTML method do the rest:

--------------------------------------------
<form action="getResults" method=POST>
<input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
<input type=hidden name="y" value="b">

<input type="text" name="myInput">

<input type=submit>
</form>
--------------------------------------------

Later, you could put the "getResults" code in a python script, then it's
easier to do further processing with your fetched data.

hth,
Danny

P.S.: Check the legal stuff before extracting other people's pages ;-)

>>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im Auftrag von Marc
>>> Fischer
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 11.43p
>>> An: Paula Mangas; Marc Fischer
>>> Cc: zope@zope.org
>>> Betreff: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think there was an understanding problem. I want to get the
>>> source code of
>>> the result that is displayed in the browser, after klicking on
>>> the submit
>>> button. I want to be able to handle this source perhabs to create a
>>> dtmlmethod wiht it, or do some string extractions with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>>> > Von: Paula Mangas [mailto:pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt]
>>> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 13:25
>>> > An: Marc Fischer
>>> > Cc: zope@zope.org
>>> > Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc Fischer wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hi,
>>> > >
>>> > > I want to get the HTML result from a form into a dtml method.
>>> > So I need a
>>> > > way to handle this result, but HOW.
>>> > >
>>> > > The form ist like this:
>>> > >
>>> > > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
>>> > > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>>> > > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>>> > > <input type=submit>
>>> > > </form>
>>> > >
>>> > > If I klick on submit, I get the result displayed in the
>>> Browser, but I
>>> > > cannot work with it.
>>> > > Perhaps someone could help me???
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I think that, if you try
>>> > <form action="http://server/the_method_you_want_to_call" method=POST>
>>> >
>>> > it will work.
>>> >
>>> > Paula
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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From marc@bowery.com  Wed May  2 00:59:50 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:59:50 -0400
Subject: [Zope] How do you do a simple relocate?
In-Reply-To: <3AEF3FB1.FD5B980@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <B714C635.2BF62%marc@bowery.com>

Hey, something like that could be used to hide ugly debug error info from
non-mananger/owner users?!


> From: Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com>
> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:58:57 -0400
> To: Tommy Johnson <astlj@hotmail.com>
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] How do you do a simple relocate?
> 
> Hi Tommy,
> 
> Here's something that will send the user to an alternate page based on
> his identity.
> 
> <dtml-if "REQUEST['AUTHORIZED_USER'].getUserName() == 'admin'>
> <dtml-call
> "REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect('http://another/page/somewhere')">
> </dtml-if>
> 
> 
> Tommy Johnson wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, first of all - I'm new to Zope (1 week). Now, what I'm trying to do is
>> relocate from one page to another. Something very simple, such as if a user
>> comes to a certain page, based on some variable, the user will be relocated
>> to another page.
>> 
>> I can do a server side include, but this really isn't what I wanted.
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Tommy
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>> 
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From mwilbert@alum.mit.edu  Wed May  2 02:21:59 2001
From: mwilbert@alum.mit.edu (Matthew Wilbert)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:21:59 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Best way to set up a Product with multiple classes?
Message-ID: <E14ulMo-0003OC-00@mail.python.org>

I want to create a Product which allows creation of an container object w=
hich has a number of subobjects and sub-subobjects which can be separatel=
y instantiated within it.  The subobjects should only be able to be creat=
ed in the
appropriate container object defined within the Product.

I know how to do this (or something adequately similar, anyway) with ZCla=
sses within a Product, but I don't understand how to do this with Python =
classes in a Python product.

If the answer to that is too easy, I have a second question.
Can I make a such a subobject be permitted in a finite number of containt=
er types, so for instance a FloweringPlant could be added to a Garden or =
a Florist but
not to any other container type?

Thanks for any suggestions,

Matt Wilbert

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From sven.fischer@gargl.net  Wed May  2 03:06:53 2001
From: sven.fischer@gargl.net (Sven Fischer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 04:06:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope] parsing xml files
Message-ID: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDAEBJCCAA.sven.fischer@gargl.net>

hello,

i have an xml file being uploaded with a PUT into some folder and i would
like to know whether it's best to :

a] parse it using xml2zope or xmldocument for example and built a dtml tree
of the doc (seems unmanageable if there are *lots* of docuemnts)

b] store the xml files somewhere and use an external method to parse them on
the fly (would be cool if it could be called from dtml)

c] ?

i've tried to figure out parsedxml, but i haven't found the link to download
the product ???? well, anyway, what would the best solution for this be (the
best product ;-) hopefully something closer to beta than alpha since i'm
just an almost newbie ;-)

thx

$ven



From astlj@hotmail.com  Wed May  2 03:25:16 2001
From: astlj@hotmail.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:25:16 -0800
Subject: [Zope] How do you do a simple relocate?
Message-ID: <F79iKBsuZ2K4xDh9vXs0000e12a@hotmail.com>

Phil and Chris,

Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.

Tommy
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From zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at>  Wed May  2 06:47:04 2001
From: zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at> (zope-mailinglist)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:47:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Best way to set up a Product with multiple classes?
References: <E14ulMo-0003OC-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <001601c0d2cb$51c14ab0$6400a8c0@monty>

you have to override the

def all_meta_types(self):

method of OFS/ObjectManager
in your product
this method returns the allowed meta_types for subobjects

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From: "Matthew Wilbert" <mwilbert@alum.mit.edu>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:21 AM
Subject: [Zope] Best way to set up a Product with multiple classes?


I want to create a Product which allows creation of an container object
which has a number of subobjects and sub-subobjects which can be separately
instantiated within it.  The subobjects should only be able to be created in
the
appropriate container object defined within the Product.

I know how to do this (or something adequately similar, anyway) with
ZClasses within a Product, but I don't understand how to do this with Python
classes in a Python product.

If the answer to that is too easy, I have a second question.
Can I make a such a subobject be permitted in a finite number of containter
types, so for instance a FloweringPlant could be added to a Garden or a
Florist but
not to any other container type?

Thanks for any suggestions,

Matt Wilbert

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From malcolm.box@symbian.com  Wed May  2 06:43:39 2001
From: malcolm.box@symbian.com (Malcolm Box)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:43:39 +0900
Subject: [Zope] Making users work
Message-ID: <3AEF9E8B.E184A077@symbian.com>

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Hi all,

As a Zope newbie (sorry!), I'm deeply confused by how to make users work
the way I want.

The site I am developing is an "ideas" site, where people can vote on
ideas and post new ideas.  What I want to achieve is that everyone can
access the content or vote anonymously, but to post they have to log
in.  As this is an intranet site, the WinNT domain controller already
has a list of every possible user and a password, so I want to use this
to authenticate who people are, and I certainly don't want to have to
create and maintain a Zope user for each and every person in the
organization!

When people try to post without logging in, I want to send them to a
page explaining the login requirements and giving them a login form,
rather than popping up a http authenticate dialog.

To say that I have no clue how to go about this is an understatement.  I
think there are three parts to this - one is the login form, the other
is setting the right permissions on the posting form and the third is
accessing the NT user database.  I've looked at LoginManager, acl_users
and various howtos, but I can't work out how to put it all together,
despite my feeling that it's all there somewhere :-)

So could anyone outline how to go about this - pointers to dtml source,
howtos etc gratefully received.

Cheers,

Malcolm

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From bobby@dialognet.com  Wed May  2 07:08:25 2001
From: bobby@dialognet.com (Bobby Mathew)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:38:25 +0530
Subject: [Zope] Catalog Anything Problem
Message-ID: <003c01c0d2ce$4cc5c7e0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>

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Hi all

I used the catalog anything manual to do have my sql data from postgres =
to be indexed into zope but i ran into trouble. I must warn you i am a =
newbie so it must be a very silly mistake somewhere. Let me explain what =
I did

My config
Linux OS
Zope 2.3.0
Postgres 7.0.3
ZPyGreSQL DA

The process
Since i am a newbie i was not sure what you meant in the cataloganything =
doc when you said...
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Setting Up the Catalog
The first step in any search is to set up the catalog. There is no =
difference in setting up a catalog for "normal" searches and setting one =
up for a search of SQL data, so I'm not going to go into detail here on =
how to do that. Just make sure you have created a catalog with the =
desired indexes and meta data.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

So i just used the chapter 9 reference that was provided earlier and i =
created a ZCatalog called Products. I was not sure what else to do so i =
just let the defaults remain as it is - the AnimalTracker example in =
chap 9 didnt seem relevant to me since i have no dtml methods to search =
for - only products info from the postgres. So i just didnt do anything =
further. I have a products table in the postgres rdbms that i want to =
search by title and description. So after this i created a zsql method =
called getProdtoCatalog under the ZCatalog itself - the query i used is

SELECT prodid as Number, Title,
Descr || ' ' || Title as PrincipiaSearchSource,
'Product' as meta_type, prodid as id, Descr as summary
FROM products

Now i went into the Find Objects section and searched for the =
getProdtoCatalog zsql method and added to the catalog

Next i went and created the python script (again under the Products =
ZCatalog itself) and i called it catalogProducts this is the code inside

for book in container.getProdToCatalog():
    container.catalog_object(Product,
    '/learn/search/Products/'+Product.Number+'/proddetails.html')
    print 'Product #' + Product.Number
return printed

The moment i test it i run into trouble - Can any one help please=20

regards

bobby

For the error message this is what i get....

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

      Zope Error
      Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.

      Error Type: AttributeError
      Error Value: getProdToCatalog



-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-

      Troubleshooting Suggestions

        a.. The URL may be incorrect.=20
        b.. The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect.=20
        c.. A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering =
an error.=20
      For more detailed information about the error, please refer to the =
HTML source for this page.=20

      If the error persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank =
you for your patience.=20
    =20




Traceback (innermost last):
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 222, =
in publish_module
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, =
in publish
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in =
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, =
in publish
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, =
in mapply
    (Object: catalogProducts)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, =
in call_object
    (Object: catalogProducts)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, =
line 324, in __call__
    (Object: catalogProducts)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, =
line 353, in _bindAndExec
    (Object: catalogProducts)
  File =
/home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/PythonScript.py, =
line 330, in _exec
    (Object: catalogProducts)
    (Info: ({'script': <PythonScript instance at 88d81b0>, 'context': =
<ZCatalog instance at 8d02630>, 'container': <ZCatalog instance at =
8d02630>, 'traverse_subpath': []}, (), {}, None))
  File Script (Python), line 2, in catalogProducts
  File =
/home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Guarded.py, line =
273, in __getattr__
  File =
/home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Guarded.py, line =
143, in __careful_getattr__
    (Object: Traversable)
AttributeError: (see above)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D



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http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR>
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<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I used the catalog anything manual to =
do have my=20
sql data from postgres to be indexed into zope but i ran into trouble. I =
must=20
warn you i am a newbie so it must be a very silly mistake somewhere. Let =
me=20
explain what I did</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My config</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Linux OS</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Zope 2.3.0</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Postgres 7.0.3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ZPyGreSQL DA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The process</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since i am a newbie i was not sure what =
you meant=20
in the cataloganything doc when you said...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<H3>Setting Up the Catalog</H3>
<P>The first step in any search is to set up the catalog. There is no =
difference=20
in setting up a catalog for "normal" searches and setting one up for a =
search of=20
SQL data, so I'm not going to go into detail here on how to do that. =
Just make=20
sure you have created a catalog with the desired indexes and meta =
data.</P>
<P>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</P>
<P>So i just used the chapter 9 reference that was provided earlier and =
i=20
created a ZCatalog called Products. I was not sure what else to do so i =
just let=20
the defaults remain as it is - the AnimalTracker example in chap 9 didnt =
seem=20
relevant to me since i have no dtml methods to search for - only =
products info=20
from the postgres. So i just didnt do anything further. I have a =
products table=20
in the postgres rdbms that i want to search by title and description. So =
after=20
this i created a zsql method called getProdtoCatalog under the ZCatalog =
itself -=20
the query i used is</P>
<P>SELECT prodid as Number, Title,<BR>Descr || ' ' || Title as=20
PrincipiaSearchSource,<BR>'Product' as meta_type, prodid as id, Descr as =

summary<BR>FROM products</P>
<P>Now i went into the Find Objects section and searched for the=20
getProdtoCatalog zsql method and added to the catalog</P>
<P>Next i went and created the python script (again under the Products =
ZCatalog=20
itself) and i called it catalogProducts this is the code inside</P>
<P>for book in container.getProdToCatalog():<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
container.catalog_object(Product,<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
'/learn/search/Products/'+Product.Number+'/proddetails.html')<BR>&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;=20
print 'Product #' + Product.Number<BR>return printed</P>
<P>The moment i test it i run into trouble - Can any one help please =
</P>
<P>regards</P>
<P>bobby</P>
<P>For the error message this&nbsp;is what i get....</P>
<P>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</P>
<P>
<TABLE border=3D0 width=3D"100%">
  <TBODY>
  <TR vAlign=3Dtop>
    <TD width=3D"90%">
      <H2>Zope Error</H2>
      <P>Zope has encountered an error while publishing this =
resource.</P>
      <P><STRONG>Error Type: AttributeError</STRONG><BR><STRONG>Error =
Value:=20
      getProdToCatalog</STRONG><BR></P>
      <HR noShade>

      <P>Troubleshooting Suggestions</P>
      <UL>
        <LI>The URL may be incorrect.=20
        <LI>The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect.=20
        <LI>A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering =
an=20
        error. </LI></UL>
      <P>For more detailed information about the error, please refer to =
the HTML=20
      source for this page. </P>
      <P>If the error persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank =
you for=20
      your patience. </P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>
<P><A href=3D"http://www.zope.org/Credits" target=3D_top><IMG =
alt=3D"Powered by Zope"=20
border=3D0 height=3D50 src=3D"http://192.168.1.99/p_/ZopeButton" =
width=3D115></A></P><PRE>Traceback (innermost last):
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 222, =
in publish_module
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, =
in publish
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in =
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, =
in publish
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, =
in mapply
    (Object: catalogProducts)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, =
in call_object
    (Object: catalogProducts)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, =
line 324, in __call__
    (Object: catalogProducts)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, =
line 353, in _bindAndExec
    (Object: catalogProducts)
  File =
/home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/PythonScript.py, =
line 330, in _exec
    (Object: catalogProducts)
    (Info: ({'script': &lt;PythonScript instance at 88d81b0&gt;, =
'context': &lt;ZCatalog instance at 8d02630&gt;, 'container': =
&lt;ZCatalog instance at 8d02630&gt;, 'traverse_subpath': []}, (), {}, =
None))
  File Script (Python), line 2, in catalogProducts
  File =
/home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Guarded.py, line =
273, in __getattr__
  File =
/home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Guarded.py, line =
143, in __careful_getattr__
    (Object: Traversable)
AttributeError: (see above)
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From itai@optusnet.com.au  Wed May  2 07:09:13 2001
From: itai@optusnet.com.au (Itai Tavor)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:09:13 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Need some help with ZCVSMixin
Message-ID: <p05010400b7154fc0e93d@[10.0.1.5]>

Hi,

I finally decided it's time to get acquainted with ZCVSMixin, mainly 
because I was looking for a way to sync a project between a 
development and a production server. But I'm having problems getting 
started with it.

I started a new project, checked it out to 
/home/itai/workspace/MyProject, created a CVS Folder instance in Zope 
in the MyProject folder, and then created and checked in some files 
and folders. No problems here, except for some trouble doing commits. 
Checkins work fine, but commit just hangs forever. I'm not sure I get 
commit at all - why is it such a long procedure? To do a commit I 
need to first click "Force Obj->File" and then select "commit" and 
click "Admin Function", whereas checkin is a one-click action.

Anyway, I then wanted to see how I would use ZCVSMixin to update a 
production server. So I checked out a new copy of the project ( cd 
/home/itai/test; cvs co MyProject ), created a Test folder in Zope, 
added a CVS Folder to it and set its file system root to 
/home/itai/test/MyProject. Then I viewed the CVS object CVS Status 
page. I expected to see the objects that I checked out, but I saw 
nothing. Then, I created a new folder under MyProject, and tried to 
add a CVS Folder to it, but got errno 13, even though 
/home/itai/test/MyProject is owned by nobody, which is also the user 
running Zope.

So: following the instruction in the ZCVSMixin README I can get a 
CVS-controlled folder working, although I can't commit anything in 
it, and I can do nothing with a new checkout copy of the project. 
What am I doing wrong?

One other question, just in case I manage to solve these problems: I 
want to CVS the ZClasses in a Product along with the project folder, 
and it would be nice if they were both stored in the same repository 
branch. How should I set up the CVS Folder for the Product? I set it 
to use /home/itai/MyProject/Product. Is that a good idea?

TIA

Itai
-- 
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Itai Tavor                      -- "Je sautille, donc je suis."    --
itai@optusnet.com.au            --               - Kermit the Frog --
-- 'Supposing a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?' --
-- 'Supposing it didn't,' said Pooh after careful thought.         --



From patrick@eahd.or.ug  Wed May  2 07:38:27 2001
From: patrick@eahd.or.ug (Patrick)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:38:27 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Zope] executing dynamically generated code (eval)?
In-Reply-To: <988748185.3aef199921add@marcus.localguru.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0105020937020.6607-100000@spice.eahd.or.ug>

I thought that it was *not* possible to nest dtml like that meaning that
you might have to use the python eval ... or am I missing something here?

Patrick.

On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marcus Schopen wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> is there a kind of dtml-eval command?
>
> I'd like to execute dynamicly generated code like:
> <dtml-var <dtml-var someting>>.
>
> Thank you
> Marcus
>
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May  2 07:45:21 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:45:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] executing dynamically generated code (eval)?
In-Reply-To: <988748185.3aef199921add@marcus.localguru.de>
Message-ID: <950643600.988793121@BUZZER>

Hi Marcus,

for security reasons there is none :-)

What do you want to achieve?

Regards
Tino

--On Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 22:16 +0200 Marcus Schopen 
<marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> is there a kind of dtml-eval command?
>
> I'd like to execute dynamicly generated code like:
> <dtml-var <dtml-var someting>>.
>
> Thank you
> Marcus
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tim@freepm.org  Wed May  2 07:57:37 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 01:57:37 -0500
Subject: [Zope] executing dynamically generated code (eval)?
References: <988748185.3aef199921add@marcus.localguru.de>
Message-ID: <3AEFAFE1.33CC53A3@iswt.com>

Marcus Schopen wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> is there a kind of dtml-eval command?
> 
> I'd like to execute dynamicly generated code like:
> <dtml-var <dtml-var someting>>.
> 

AFAIK that is restricted for security reasons.
Depending on exactly what you want to do, you can dynamically
create javascript and execute it.  In FreePM I create the patient
note by selecting text stubs with checkboxes, radio buttons, etc.
Then send that to a JS function that writes it to a textarea.  Is
that like what you want to do?

HTH,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Wed May  2 08:17:44 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 03:17:44 -0400
Subject: [Zope] SiteAccess and broken manage links
Message-ID: <000901c0d2d7$fbfc6e40$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

Hello

Zope2.3.2
Apache1.3 on Redhat6.2
SiteAccess ProxyPass combo as described by 'anser' in famous How-to
http://www.zope.org/Members/anser/apache_zserver


Zope is reached at http://www.mysite.com/zope

Apache Directive looks like this:

ServerName http://www.mysite.com
ProxyPass /zope http://www.mysite.com:8888/
ProxyPassReverse /zope http://www.mysite.com:8888/
ProxyPass /misc_ http://www.mysite.com:8888/misc_
ProxyPass /p_ http://www.mysite.com:8888/p_

Ok so everything* is working fine _except_ the breadcrumb links into top of
the main big Zope management window. All links from there are always missing
/zope after the domain and before whatever method or object they call.

Tabs work, trees work..
*[but one product 'JavaTelnetSSH' has a broken icon also. works well but
looks messy&puts clients off]

Q: What can I add to make this work coreectly?

Is this a job for SiteAccessRule. I played with it.. fascinating dangerous
stuff.
How to write a rule which knows it is being called from that part of the
management window and can insert a /zope?
Or is there a simpler solutino use ProxyPass?
Is this a  b u g?

Thanks
- Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From chris@7th-halo.com  Wed May  2 08:30:32 2001
From: chris@7th-halo.com (Chris Pedrotti)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 00:30:32 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Accessing folders
Message-ID: <000b01c0d2d9$c5815ea0$6e01a8c0@pacbell.net>

I'm new to all this, so please be patient.  What I am doing at the moment is
using <dtml-tree> to construct an html form of catagories for users to
submit images to.  I was setting the value of the radio buttons to
tree-item-url and then hoping that I could just replace all '/' to '.' to
access the folder that I wanted to image submitted to, and call
manage_addImage.

I was using <dtml-let> to assign a var to the folder url with the .'s and
then calling <dtml-call "_[submitfolder].manage_addImage(id='', file=file,
title='')">

Not working.  Could anyone please point me in the right direction?  Thanks.

-Chris



From kedai@kedai.com.my  Tue May  1 08:23:31 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (bak (kedai))
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:23:31 +0800
Subject: [Zope] getitem in pythonscript
Message-ID: <01050115233102.00745@tokey>

hi
what's the equivalent of _.getitem(stuff) in python script?
the only way i know of is by binding _, and refer to it as
ob=_.getitem(stuff)

is this the *only* way?

thanks


From augusto@artlover.com  Wed May  2 08:29:17 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 02:29:17 -0500
Subject: [Zope] executing dynamically generated code (eval)?
References: <988748185.3aef199921add@marcus.localguru.de>
Message-ID: <3AEFB74D.7D691DC5@artlover.com>

You may try either one of these:

<dtml-var "_.getitem('any_method', 1)">

<dtml-var "_['any_method']">


getitem is a method of the special namespace variable, _ , and besides of the
name argument it accepts a flag (1 or 0). When true, the current 'any_method'
will be called and processed, if has logic within, and the result will be
returned. When false, only the plain content of the method is returned. 


Ausum



Marcus Schopen wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> is there a kind of dtml-eval command?
> 
> I'd like to execute dynamicly generated code like:
> <dtml-var <dtml-var someting>>.
> 
> Thank you
> Marcus
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From Dominique.Dutoit@cec.eu.int  Wed May  2 08:39:25 2001
From: Dominique.Dutoit@cec.eu.int (Dominique.Dutoit@cec.eu.int)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:39:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope management screens and OmniWeb (on OS X)
Message-ID: <51D6FF030F6ED411993000D0B7823C06010A56@EX2BEBREYMBX04>

Same problem here.

But I think that the problem is elsewhere because I don't have any problem
to manage my personal folder on zope.org with OmniWeb. Maybe the problem is
authenticating an user when there is a port number in the URL. Or the way
zope.org does the authentication is more friendly that the authentication
window.

I have tried to run zope on a port 80 but Python refused to bind the port
and I'm sure that Apache is not running. It seems that Mac OS X protects
some resources.

By the way, iCab has exactly the same problem and yet, it works with the
personal folder.

Dominique


From fredrik.rubinstein@ivf.se  Wed May  2 08:48:47 2001
From: fredrik.rubinstein@ivf.se (Rubinstein Fredrik)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:48:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope] "Add local filesystem"
Message-ID: <31E69B0E4B9CD01181A800805FA6B0A202826FD9@david.ivf.se>

		Hi there,
	This is extremly anoying since I've done this before but forgot
how-to.
	On a NT-box I want to add a local filesystem using UNC notation.
	I try out something like this.

	ID:	Kalle
	Title:	
	Basepath: \\Cpqp21-32\Dokument ( Cpqp21-32 is the server and
Dokument is the share )
	Username kalle	
	Password ******

	And I keep getting the same error 
Zope Error
Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. 
Error Type: OSError
Error Value: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '\\\\Cpqp21-32\\Dokument'

	Can You please help me. This time around I'm to write the solution
on my officewall with a
	nonerasable marker pen.

	Cheers

	Fredrik



From itai@optusnet.com.au  Wed May  2 08:59:22 2001
From: itai@optusnet.com.au (Itai Tavor)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:59:22 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Punished for upgrading to 2.3.2: ZPatterns broke
Message-ID: <p05010401b7156e0505c5@[10.0.1.17]>

Hi,

I shut down a Zope instance using Zope 2.3.1, and started it again 
with 2.3.2. When I tried to access objects on a rack, I got an 
AttributeError: _setRack. I went back to 2.3.1, but I still get the 
same error.

Ok, I can take a hint. Somebody doesn't want me to use Zope 2.3.2. 
All right, I won't. But my project is still hosed. So now I got to 
restore a backup and lose a day's work.

Is anyone else aware of upgrde problems with ZPatterns?

Itai
-- 
--
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itai@optusnet.com.au            --               - Kermit the Frog --
-- 'Supposing a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?' --
-- 'Supposing it didn't,' said Pooh after careful thought.         --



From hofmann@isl.org  Wed May  2 09:02:37 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:02:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] dtml-in and objectValues()
Message-ID: <3AEFDAFF.20437.2BA2E002@localhost>

I am successfully using

<dtml-in "subdir.objectValues()">
....
</dtml-in>

now I wanted to do something like

<dtml-in "subdir.objectValues('*_de')>

i.e. only select objects from the subfolder with a name ending in "_de"
how can this be done - I can not find any hint within the Zope docs/howto=
s
:((((

Thanks

Kai

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From joe@iuveno-net.de  Wed May  2 09:10:09 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:10:09 +0200
Subject: [Zope] parsing xml files
References: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDAEBJCCAA.sven.fischer@gargl.net>
Message-ID: <005601c0d2df$4e259640$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

ParsedXML should do what you want:
http://www.zope.org/Members/karl/ParsedXML/ParsedXML





From alet@unice.fr  Wed May  2 09:09:59 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:09:59 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] dtml-in and objectValues()
In-Reply-To: <3AEFDAFF.20437.2BA2E002@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010502100629.22377A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Wed, 2 May 2001, Kai Hofmann wrote:

> I am successfully using
> 
> <dtml-in "subdir.objectValues()">
> ....
> </dtml-in>
> 
> now I wanted to do something like
> 
> <dtml-in "subdir.objectValues('*_de')>
> 
> i.e. only select objects from the subfolder with a name ending in "_de"
> how can this be done - I can not find any hint within the Zope docs/howtos
> :((((

objectValues accepts a list of meta types to search for, but not a
pattern, e.g.:

	objectValues(['Folder', 'Image'])

is accepted.

what you have to do is something like:

<UNTESTED>
  <dtml-in "subdir.objectValues()">
    <dtml-if "_['sequence-item'].getId()[-3:] == '_de'">
      do_something
    </dtml-if>
  </dtml-in>
</UNTESTED>

hoping this helps

Jerome Alet



From crb@uni-hd.de  Wed May  2 09:13:42 2001
From: crb@uni-hd.de (Carl Robert Blesius)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:13:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: Zope digest, Vol 1 #1363 - 51 msgs
In-Reply-To: <E14uO0O-0007K7-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3AEFDDD6.2612.123004B7@localhost>

Hello Zopeople,

I found the menu suggestion below by Tino very good (exactly what I 
have been trying to do for the last week). I would like to modify it 
slightly though=85 and can not get it to work. Can someone please help 
me out?

How do I traverse the folder hierarchy of zope stopping at the first 
object with the property menue_root (I have it built into a folder 
like ZClass). I am trying to search *upwards* until I find the first 
object with a menu_root property (I want to make the sidebar menu 
start at a folder below root for departments of my faculty below the 
central pages)?

Carl


On 30 Apr 2001, at 20:27, zope-request@zope.org wrote:

> Message: 48
> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 02:22:45 +0200
> From: Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de>
> To: Robert Segall <roseg@apsis.ch>, zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml-tree info
> 
> Hi Robert,
> 
> I do this and I dont use the tree-tag at all anymore.
> The trick is to organisate your site hierarchically.
> I do only folder-like objects with one content-object
> (or property or whatever).
> So the site is simply a tree of folderobjects (not folder
> itself but a subclass (or more then one subclass of it))
> Then a simple method can render the navigation:
> (lets call it navigation)
> <table>
> <dtml-in "objectValues('TheFolderClass')">
> <dtml-if "sequence_item in PARENTS">
> <tr><td>[-]</td><td>&dtml-title;<br>
>            <dtml-var navigation></td></tr>
> <dtml-else>
> <tr><td>[+]</td><td><a 
> href=3D"&dtml-absolute_url;/">&dtml-title;</a></td></tr>
> </dtml-if>
> </dtml-in>
> 
> This is the very simple approach, you can make more
> design if you want. The trick is "sequence_item in PARENTS"
> which is true if the actual object is in your URL path.
> This way the tree shows your current navigation without
> bothering to save the treestate or bother the user with ugly
> cookies and/or URLs.
> 
> I have to mention you must call this "navigation" method
> inside a index_html method or something you let acquisite.
> Call is there like that:
> 
> <dtml-with "PARENTS[-1]">
> <dtml-var navigation>
> </dtml-with>
> 
> To start the tree at the root.
> 
> Oh, you have to use "_['sequence-item'] ... " and stuff if
> you dont use my dtml-in replacement.
> 
> HTH
> Tino Wildenhain
> 
> --On Montag, 30. April 2001 20:37 +0200 Robert Segall <roseg@apsis.ch> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hope someone has already run into this: I need to be able to control
> > the tree display state from dtml and I can't find any info on the
> > subject.
> >
> > The "normal" tree display has the "+" (or "-") part, with its own
> > URL that includes an encoded argument, and the user-defined part. At
> > the very least I would like to be able to mimic the behaviour of the
> > "+" by clicking on the "user" part (which I make into a link by
> > myself). To make matters worse, this link may take me to another
> > object (page).
> >
> > Ideally, I would like to be able to control the display behaviour -
> > saying which branch(es) are to be shown open and which closed, and
> > to which level, within the page itself.
> >
> > Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Tnx,
> >
> > Robert




From lehmann@catworkx.de  Wed May  2 09:16:56 2001
From: lehmann@catworkx.de (Holger Lehmann)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:16:56 +0200
Subject: [Zope] XML-RPC over SSL
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105011118110.5993-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105011118110.5993-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <01050210165600.00484@cat-pc-holle>

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Hi Petr,

use the attached xmlrpcauth.py file as follows:

---------------------------
import xmlrpcauth
import xmlrpclib
=20
mytransport =3D xmlrpcauth.BasicAuthTransport("username","password");
rpcserver   =3D xmlrpclib.Server("http://hostname:portnumber/",mytranspor=
t);

print rpcserver.echo("Hello World!");
---------------------------

This was done using the 0.9.8 of xmlrpclib.py available from
http://www.pythonware.com/products/xmlrpc/ (well they have 0.9.9 by now .=
=2E.)

It does not support https as of now but does basic user authentication (i=
n=20
the http header).
If you change the xmlrpcauth file to use a https-able lib instead of the=20
httlib imported at the very first line of the xmlrpcauth.py file:
---
import string, xmlrpclib, httplib=20
---
then you will be able to use ssl encrpyted http.

- Holger

Am Dienstag,  1. Mai 2001 20:19 schrieb Michel Pelletier:
> On 27 Apr 2001, Petr Knapek wrote:
> > Hi Zopists,
> > does anybody of you know how to do "subject" in Zope 2.3.0 (2.3.1) on
> > Linux Debian.
> >
> > I have already installed M2Crypto but do not know how to use it.  Whe=
n I
> > tried this in python:
> >
> > from M2Crypto import xmlrpclib2
> > s =3D xmlrpclib2.Server("https://uid:password@host/")
> > print s.index_html()
> >
> > this error is returned:
> > >>> print s.index_html()
> >
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
> >   File "/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/xmlrpclib.py", line 547, in __call__
> >     return self.__send(self.__name, args)
> >   File "/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/xmlrpclib.py", line 630, in __reques=
t
> >     request
> >   File "/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/xmlrpclib.py", line 560, in request
> >     h =3D httplib.HTTP(host)
> >   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/httplib.py", line 51, in __init__
> >     if host: self.connect(host, port)
> >   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/httplib.py", line 75, in connect
> >     raise socket.error, "nonnumeric port"
> > socket.error: nonnumeric port
> >
> >
> > Can anybody help me?
>
> xmlrpclib does not understand the uid:password@url syntax.  This is not
> how you do authentication with xmlrpclib, you need to subclass and crea=
te
> your own transport.  The new xmlrpclib should come with a transport tha=
t
> supports Basic authentication.  See the xmlrpclib sources or the xmlrpc=
lib
> mailing list for more info.
>
> -Michel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From stephan.goeldi@datacomm.ch  Wed May  2 09:20:47 2001
From: stephan.goeldi@datacomm.ch (Stephan Goeldi)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:20:47
Subject: [Zope] phpWebEd
Message-ID: <F101MW57OUho0V2COPH00002eec@hotmail.com>

Hello all

What do you think about phpWebEd on

http://www.nm-service.de/products.html?pid=pwe

Is this usable under Zope?


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From joe@iuveno-net.de  Wed May  2 09:26:18 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:26:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [Ann] emulateRedirect: emulates redirection inside Zope
References: <200105011902.VAA02120@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <006801c0d2e1$9055f1c0$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> The common task:
>
>      A user fills a form and submits it. The submitted data is checked
>      and if problems are detected, the user gets its
>      original form together with a problem indication
>      *AND* his already filled in data.
>
> is not yet well supported.
>
> A redirection to the form suffers from browser differences
> in the handling of the old request data and
> the difficulty to add all of them into the redirected
> URL.

I always used an approach like this (only works with some session management
to get persistence of course):

This is a pure example, so don't look at the details ;-)

In the form I have:

<dtml-if something_submitted>
*** check the data here, display the errors if necessary; if no errors, save
the data and redirect to the thankyou page
</dtml-if>
<form ...>
 *** in the form, the variables are all called from the session ("<dtml-var
variable missing>" to make sure there is no error if it was empty)
</form>

I call the form in the action method (by just not specifying an action). So
there is a loop until everything is fine. One could also do the same by
redirecting back to the form if there is an error found by the action
method. As long as the fields are prefilled by Zope, I don't think the
browser issue applies.

Can anybody comment whether this or the "emulateRedirect" approach is
better?

Joachim



From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May  2 09:05:51 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:05:51 +0200
Subject: [Zope] getitem in pythonscript
References: <01050115233102.00745@tokey>
Message-ID: <018901c0d2e2$f069c7c0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

this:

object = getattr(context, 'index_html')

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bak (kedai)" <kedai@kedai.com.my>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:23 AM
Subject: [Zope] getitem in pythonscript


> hi
> what's the equivalent of _.getitem(stuff) in python script?
> the only way i know of is by binding _, and refer to it as
> ob=_.getitem(stuff)
> 
> is this the *only* way?
> 
> thanks
> 
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From joe@iuveno-net.de  Wed May  2 09:47:10 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:47:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] writing dtml on zope.org
References: <132030000.988667916@mindlace.digicool.com>
Message-ID: <00ba01c0d2e4$7a0ca780$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> The issue is that right now anybody is a yahoo account away from being
able
> to write arbitrary DTML on zope.org, and that this has brought zope.org to
> it's knees in the past.
>
> What if there was a standard page for presenting your contributions, that
> your contributions could have html in them, and if you were interested in
> providing different ways to view member folders, you could get permission
> and create a skin that then anyone could select?
>
> Esp. if that skin could cover more than just member folders, but the
entire
> site?

I think for the "normal" user it is perfectly fine to limit him to what the
CMF framework can offer. However, there might be "power users" who
contribute functionality to zope.org on their member sites. These people
would probably need special treatment (and they would NOT be a real danger
to zope.org like the anonymous yahoo account user).

Maybe we need more roles on zope.org (e.g. "managing editor" permissions for
a certain section like a project homepage or so). There has been a lot of
discussion in EuroZope land on how zope.org could become more like
sourceforge (i.e. offer more functionality for developers, better search for
products etc.).

I think what zope.org really needs before you start the redesign is a proper
analysis of all the target groups and a concept for each. Zope offers so
many ways to present different content views and functionalities (i.e.
portals) to let's say a journalist than to a hardcore Python developer. The
aim for zope.org should be making it one of the best Zope sites and one of
the best dynamic sites in the web ...

Joachim



From alet@unice.fr  Wed May  2 09:46:08 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:46:08 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] Error on Zope download page
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010502104225.22693A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi,

Don't know if this is an error or not, here's what you can read from
Zope's download page:

Download Zope 2.3.2 the current stable release.
Download Zope 2.3.2b2 the current development release.

IMHO the devel release should have a version number greater than the
stable one, or else I have misunderstood something about developpment for
many years now ;-)

bye,

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr - http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome
Fac de Medecine de Nice        http://wwwmed.unice.fr 
Tel: (+33) 4 93 37 76 30     Fax: (+33) 4 93 53 15 15
28 Avenue de Valombrose - 06107 NICE Cedex 2 - FRANCE



From jose@sferacarta.com  Wed May  2 10:00:47 2001
From: jose@sferacarta.com (Jose Soares)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:00:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope] NETSCAPE WANTS TO SAVE MY LINK
References: <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIOEGFCBAA.brian@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3AEFCCBF.B76B7B0F@sferacarta.com>

Hi all,

I'm experiencing a strange thing when I click a link
Netscape wants to save the page instead of showing
it .
Using IE it works properly.
Any ideas ?

Thank you vey much.
Jose Soares




From hofmann@isl.org  Wed May  2 10:07:51 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:07:51 +0200
Subject: [Zope] dtml-in and objectValues()
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010502100629.22377A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
References: <3AEFDAFF.20437.2BA2E002@localhost>
Message-ID: <3AEFEA46.1956.2BDBE680@localhost>

Hi Jerome,

> <UNTESTED>
>   <dtml-in "subdir.objectValues()">
>     <dtml-if "_['sequence-item'].getId()[-3:] =3D=3D '_de'">
>       do_something
>     </dtml-if>
>   </dtml-in>
> </UNTESTED>

_['sequence-item'].getId() results in an error:
"string object has no attribute getId"

:(

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From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May  2 10:10:46 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:10:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Passing the value of a checkbox from a form to a
 dtml-method
In-Reply-To: <005001c0d254$389fdaa0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
Message-ID: <959367970.988801846@BUZZER>

Hi Thomas,

--On Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 11:34 -0400 "Thomas B. Passin" 
<tpassin@mitretek.org> wrote:

> [Casey Duncan]
>
>>
>> You could try this:
>>
>> <input type="hidden" name="isPublic:default" value="0">
>> <input type="checkbox" name="isPublic" value="1">
>>
>> If the checkbox is not checked, Zope will pass the default value in the
>> hidden field instead.
>>
>  But if it IS checked, I believe the form will contain a list of the two
> values, that is,
>
> isPublic=["0","1"]
>
> At least, it works like that if you have several check boxes of the same
> name.  So one way or another, somewhere you have to check the nature of
> the returned data.

There is a difference, its the ":default" modifier.
with it it works as described - if no value is
retuerned, zope uses this value instead.

Regards
Tino


From alet@unice.fr  Wed May  2 10:16:11 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:16:11 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] dtml-in and objectValues()
In-Reply-To: <3AEFEA46.1956.2BDBE680@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010502111448.22869A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Wed, 2 May 2001, Kai Hofmann wrote:

> > <UNTESTED>
> >   <dtml-in "subdir.objectValues()">
> >     <dtml-if "_['sequence-item'].getId()[-3:] == '_de'">
> >       do_something
> >     </dtml-if>
> >   </dtml-in>
> > </UNTESTED>
> 
> _['sequence-item'].getId() results in an error:
> "string object has no attribute getId"

Sorry, but this was said as being UNTESTED.

the following works:

<dtml-if "getId()[-3:] == '_de'">
  do_something
</dtml-if>

bye,

Jerome Alet



From alet@unice.fr  Wed May  2 10:23:31 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:23:31 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010502111659.22869B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi,

here are some small suggestions to improve (IMHO) the management
interface. 

When viewing an object it would be fine if the Rename/Cut/Copy and Delete
buttons were still available (but probably not the Paste button).

Another thing I'd be glad to use would be MoveUp and MoveTo buttons:

The MoveUp button would allow to move the current (or selected one) object
up to the parent ObjectManager, and the MoveTo button would allow the user
to type in an objectManager Id which would be resolved using the
acquisition and the current object (or selected one) would be moved to
this destination.

Any comment ?

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr - http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome
Fac de Medecine de Nice        http://wwwmed.unice.fr 
Tel: (+33) 4 93 37 76 30     Fax: (+33) 4 93 53 15 15
28 Avenue de Valombrose - 06107 NICE Cedex 2 - FRANCE



From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May  2 10:24:37 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:24:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] NETSCAPE WANTS TO SAVE MY LINK
References: <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIOEGFCBAA.brian@digicool.com> <3AEFCCBF.B76B7B0F@sferacarta.com>
Message-ID: <020b01c0d2e9$bc8ec520$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Yeah, restart Netscape.

Sometimes it goes wild, and you have to restart it.
Worked for me a couple of times. N.B. this has also happened in IE.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jose Soares" <jose@sferacarta.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:00 AM
Subject: [Zope] NETSCAPE WANTS TO SAVE MY LINK


> Hi all,
> 
> I'm experiencing a strange thing when I click a link
> Netscape wants to save the page instead of showing
> it .
> Using IE it works properly.
> Any ideas ?
> 
> Thank you vey much.
> Jose Soares
> 
> 
> 
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From kosh@aesaeion.com  Wed May  2 03:39:19 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 02:39:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] NETSCAPE WANTS TO SAVE MY LINK
In-Reply-To: <3AEFCCBF.B76B7B0F@sferacarta.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105020237380.10163-100000@aesaeion.com>

What is the mime type for your link. Ie what kind of object are you
linking to and how did you link to it. I have usually found netscape has
the correct behavior in these situations since ie seems to ignore most
mime types. A few times I have had to teach the programmers who wrote some
of these browers what a mime type are with a 2x4 to their heads. Also what
version of netscape on what os.

On Wed, 2 May 2001, Jose Soares wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm experiencing a strange thing when I click a link
> Netscape wants to save the page instead of showing
> it .
> Using IE it works properly.
> Any ideas ?
>
> Thank you vey much.
> Jose Soares
>
>
>
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From itai@optusnet.com.au  Wed May  2 10:39:14 2001
From: itai@optusnet.com.au (Itai Tavor)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:39:14 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Re [Zope]: Punished for upgrading to 2.3.2: ZPatterns broke
Message-ID: <p05010403b715858b8ca9@[10.0.1.17]>

Itai Tavor (me) wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I shut down a Zope instance using Zope 2.3.1, and started it again 
>with 2.3.2. When I tried to access objects on a rack, I got an 
>AttributeError: _setRack. I went back to 2.3.1, but I still get the 
>same error.
>
>Ok, I can take a hint. Somebody doesn't want me to use Zope 2.3.2. 
>All right, I won't. But my project is still hosed. So now I got to 
>restore a backup and lose a day's work.
>
>Is anyone else aware of upgrde problems with ZPatterns?
>
>Itai

Ok, there seems to be something very wrong with ZPatterns in 2.3.2. 
I've recreated all the Racks from scratch, got them to work, filled 
them with data. Then I restarted Zope, and the _setRack problem 
returned. Just to keep it interesting, though, it happens with just 2 
out of 4 racks in this application.

At the moment, any work I do on this project is a waste of time. 
Someone please tell me what's going on here.

TIA

Itai
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From dave@kovach.com  Wed May  2 10:52:59 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 2 May 2001 02:52:59 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Image Content
Message-ID: <20010502095259.5713.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Hi -

I have acouple questions regarding a photo content management system I am building as a tutorial to learn various aspects of Zope. So... I need some pointing in the right direction on the following...

What is the most appropriate way to say add (5) containers of varying numbers of images without using the Zope management interface to manually add each one?

I guess it might be possible to write a tool that iterates through a file directory and add an image element into a zope folder... or are there provisions already for this sorta thing?

Also, if you want to give someone an easy interface to use to have access to adding/deleting photos in this scenario - would you have to build it? or is there something within Zope that allows a non-Zope'er to be able to access a form to do this maintenace?

Any help or some pointing to what how-tos I should
read would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.


Sincerely,

David Kovach
dave@kovach.com


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From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May  2 10:42:33 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:42:33 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Batchsize looping problem
Message-ID: <021301c0d2ed$ef45b920$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Why is it that sometimes batch sizing doesn't work??

<dtml-in "eatcatalog.objectValues(['DTML Document'])" reverse size=5>
This returns the same as...
<dtml-in "eatcatalog.objectValues(['DTML Document'])" reverse>
...would do.

The start attribute response to my commands properly. But NOT the SIZE!
Any hints on this?

I have been able to do batchsized loops successfully before and I have read
Michaels
http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/AdvDTML.dtml

Cheers,
Peter



From marcbpc@gmx.de  Wed May  2 11:12:07 2001
From: marcbpc@gmx.de (Marc Fischer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:12:07 +0200
Subject: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <JIEMJAOKEEMJAAOOJGOMMECLDOAA.Danny@Adair.net>
Message-ID: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJCEOLCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>

Hi Danny,

first of all thank you for your detailed help!!! That is nearly, what I am
looking for, but one problem exists:
The page I want to extract (you are right ... its on an external server)
does not work with passing the variables in the url. I mean ...

http://server?x=a&y=b does not work.

I need to do it with a form like:

<form action="http://server" method=POST>
<input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
<input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
<input type=submit>
</form>

That's my big big problem. Btw, ... its legal :-)))

Marc






> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Danny William Adair [mailto:Danny@Adair.net]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 01:26
> An: Marc Fischer; Paula Mangas
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
>
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> When you submit a form to one of your DTML methods or documents, all the
> form variables will be available without any further work to be done
> (REQUEST object, see docs). But if I get you right, you are not submitting
> your form to a method of your own. So things are a bit different here.
>
> As I understand it, you are submitting your form to someone else's server
> (since otherwise you would produce the output yourself). Maybe you're
> providing an input form that is directed to a search engine, or something
> similar.
>
> --------------------------------------------
> <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>
> <input type="text" name="myInput">
>
> <input type=submit>
> </form>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> If so, then you should take a look at the "KebasData" Product:
> http://www.zope.org/Members/kedai/KebasData
>
> Just instantiate a KebasData object, let's say "results". Take a
> look at the
> product's documentation to see how you can extract the relevant code from
> the external server's result page. I'll try to get you started right away:
>
> Set the regular expression patterns properly, start with
>
> .*
>
> as the search pattern and leave the rest blank ("url" will be set
> by a DTML
> method you create, see below), then you'll get the entire
> external page, you
> can change that later to fit your needs.
>
> Then create a DTML method next to it, lets say "getResults". It could look
> like this:
>
> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> <h2>RESULTS</h3>
> <dtml-with results>
>   <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('new_url', 'http://server?search=' + myInput)">
>   <dtml-call "get_matched(new_url)">
>   <dtml-in match>
>     <dtml-var result><br/>
>   </dtml-in>
> </dtml-with>
> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
>
> This will fetch the page you want to display by calling
> "get_matched(new_url)", you construct that new_url dynamically, using your
> form variable "myInput". Then it iterates through the results
> list and spits
> out the parts that matched your query, appending a <br/> after each match
> (if you started with .* as the pattern, the list will only have one item,
> holding the complete page).
>
> Oh, right: your DTML method should have a proxy role that has the right to
> "change KebasData" (or maybe even "View management_screens"?) on the
> KebasData object "results", since it calls its function
> "get_matched", which
> is usually only called by clicking "Initialize!" in the
> management screen of
> the KebasData object.
>
> Now you just send your form to "getResults" (instead of the
> external server
> directly), and let your DTML method do the rest:
>
> --------------------------------------------
> <form action="getResults" method=POST>
> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>
> <input type="text" name="myInput">
>
> <input type=submit>
> </form>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Later, you could put the "getResults" code in a python script, then it's
> easier to do further processing with your fetched data.
>
> hth,
> Danny
>
> P.S.: Check the legal stuff before extracting other people's pages ;-)
>
> >>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> >>> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
> Auftrag von Marc
> >>> Fischer
> >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 11.43p
> >>> An: Paula Mangas; Marc Fischer
> >>> Cc: zope@zope.org
> >>> Betreff: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I think there was an understanding problem. I want to get the
> >>> source code of
> >>> the result that is displayed in the browser, after klicking on
> >>> the submit
> >>> button. I want to be able to handle this source perhabs to create a
> >>> dtmlmethod wiht it, or do some string extractions with it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> >>> > Von: Paula Mangas [mailto:pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt]
> >>> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 13:25
> >>> > An: Marc Fischer
> >>> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> >>> > Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc Fischer wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > Hi,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I want to get the HTML result from a form into a dtml method.
> >>> > So I need a
> >>> > > way to handle this result, but HOW.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The form ist like this:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> >>> > > <input type=submit>
> >>> > > </form>
> >>> > >
> >>> > > If I klick on submit, I get the result displayed in the
> >>> Browser, but I
> >>> > > cannot work with it.
> >>> > > Perhaps someone could help me???
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi,
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I think that, if you try
> >>> > <form action="http://server/the_method_you_want_to_call"
> method=POST>
> >>> >
> >>> > it will work.
> >>> >
> >>> > Paula
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
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>



From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  2 11:46:57 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:46:57 +0800
Subject: [Zope] TypeError
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMOEBGDNAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

this has never happened before... i don't think it's a product that we have
used because i tried installing it to other servers and it works... this
only happens on one of our servers...

i currently have zeo and zope on the error server...

this is what comes out...

Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: unsliceable object


please help thanks...


Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

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From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May  2 11:42:27 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:42:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Image Content
References: <20010502095259.5713.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <028a01c0d2f7$b969af00$1c64a8c0@PBN>

What I do:

I have the original pictures on a spare local drive.
I then use <zope dir>/utlilities/load_site.py (great feature!!) to upload
the JPEGs from my machine to my site as Image objects.
Lastly I have a little python script on my site that loops through all the
directories and converts Image objects into Photo objects, and bins the
Image object.

I would get the same result if I opened the ZMI remotly and upload the JPEGs
as Photos directly. But if I'm on a modem line the silly web browser upload
plus the process time to convert JPEG to Photo, can break the connection
which is very annoying.

Search zope.org for information about the Photo product. It's all quite
simple actually.

Bonne chances, Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: <dave@kovach.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:52 AM
Subject: [Zope] Image Content


> Hi -
>
> I have acouple questions regarding a photo content management system I am
building as a tutorial to learn various aspects of Zope. So... I need some
pointing in the right direction on the following...
>
> What is the most appropriate way to say add (5) containers of varying
numbers of images without using the Zope management interface to manually
add each one?
>
> I guess it might be possible to write a tool that iterates through a file
directory and add an image element into a zope folder... or are there
provisions already for this sorta thing?
>
> Also, if you want to give someone an easy interface to use to have access
to adding/deleting photos in this scenario - would you have to build it? or
is there something within Zope that allows a non-Zope'er to be able to
access a form to do this maintenace?
>
> Any help or some pointing to what how-tos I should
> read would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> David Kovach
> dave@kovach.com
>
>
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  2 12:11:40 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:11:40 +0100
Subject: [Zope] something like getpath in ZCatalog for methods
References: <988758767.3aef42ef2a75a@marcus.localguru.de>
Message-ID: <3AEFEB6C.239B216F@nipltd.com>

Try method_X.absolute_url()

It may or may not work :-S

Chris

Marcus Schopen wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> is it possible to get the absolut position/url of a method (e.g. method_X) that
> is located somewhere in one of the above parents folders?
> Something like getpath in ZCatalog.
> 
> Looks like this:
> 
> Folder_A
> testing_method
> method_X
>    Folder_A1
>       Folder_A1.2
>          method_X
>       Folder_A1.3
>    Folder_A2
> Foder_B
>    Folder_B1
>       method_X
> 
> Folder_C
> ...
> 
> Calling "testing_method" in "Folder_A1.2" should give a the the position
> of "method_X" in "Folder_A1.2"
> Calling testing_method in "Folder_B.1" should give a the the position
> of the "method_X" in "Folder_B1"
> 
> In other words: whats the position of my next "method_X"
> 
> Thanks a lot
> Marcus
> 
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  2 12:22:00 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:22:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Batchsize looping problem
References: <021301c0d2ed$ef45b920$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3AEFEDD8.58A61F2F@nipltd.com>

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> 
> Why is it that sometimes batch sizing doesn't work??
> 
> <dtml-in "eatcatalog.objectValues(['DTML Document'])" reverse size=5>
> This returns the same as...
> <dtml-in "eatcatalog.objectValues(['DTML Document'])" reverse>
> ...would do.

Perhaps you're getting bitten by the implicit default value of orphan=3?
This really sucks, IMNSHO, but no-one seems to want to change it :-S

cheers,

Chris


From mj@digicool.com  Wed May  2 12:20:19 2001
From: mj@digicool.com (Martijn Pieters)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:20:19 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: Error on Zope download page
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010502104225.22693A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>; from alet@unice.fr on Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:46:08AM +0200
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010502104225.22693A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <20010502132018.B24100@zopatista.com>

On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:46:08AM +0200, Jerome Alet wrote:
> Don't know if this is an error or not, here's what you can read from
> Zope's download page:
> 
> Download Zope 2.3.2 the current stable release.
> Download Zope 2.3.2b2 the current development release.
> 
> IMHO the devel release should have a version number greater than the
> stable one, or else I have misunderstood something about developpment for
> many years now ;-)

Nah, it just means we haven't released a development version since we
released 2.3.2. You see this in plenty of other places. Why release a
development version just for the sake of having a greater version number?

-- 
Martijn Pieters
| Software Engineer  mailto:mj@digicool.com
| Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com/
| Creators of Zope   http://www.zope.org/
---------------------------------------------


From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May  2 12:22:03 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:22:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] parsing xml files
In-Reply-To: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDAEBJCCAA.sven.fischer@gargl.net>
Message-ID: <967245820.988809723@BUZZER>

Hi Sven,

--On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 04:06 +0200 Sven Fischer 
<sven.fischer@gargl.net> wrote:

> hello,
>
> i have an xml file being uploaded with a PUT into some folder and i would
> like to know whether it's best to :
>
> a] parse it using xml2zope or xmldocument for example and built a dtml
> tree of the doc (seems unmanageable if there are *lots* of docuemnts)

Probably the best solution IMHO. I dont see where it becomes
unmanageable. There might be a performance-issue, if the docs
are really large.

> b] store the xml files somewhere and use an external method to parse them
> on the fly (would be cool if it could be called from dtml)

I dont see why this would be better then (a). You additionally
loose the capabilities of the ZODB (transaction, easy object
reference, versioning)
If you expect moderate change rates on the documents you probably
dont want to abandon the transaction feature.

> c] ?
>
> i've tried to figure out parsedxml, but i haven't found the link to
> download the product ???? well, anyway, what would the best solution for
> this be (the best product ;-) hopefully something closer to beta than
> alpha since i'm just an almost newbie ;-)
>
> thx
>
> $ven
>
>
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May  2 12:50:29 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:50:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] dtml-in and objectValues()
In-Reply-To: <3AEFDAFF.20437.2BA2E002@localhost>
Message-ID: <968951260.988811429@BUZZER>

Hi Kai,

haha :) The argument of objectValues() refers to meta_types rather
then to objectids.
What you can do is:

<dtml-in "subdir.objectValues()">
<dtml-if "id()[-3:]=3D=3D'_de'>
  render whatever
</dtml-if ends with _de>
</dtml-in objectValues>

Or - more advanced - use the ZCatalog for this,
so you would get easyness and performance the
same time :-)

Tino Wildenhain


--On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 10:02 +0200 Kai Hofmann <hofmann@isl.org> wrote:

> I am successfully using
>
> <dtml-in "subdir.objectValues()">
> ....
> </dtml-in>
>
> now I wanted to do something like
>
> <dtml-in "subdir.objectValues('*_de')>
>
> i.e. only select objects from the subfolder with a name ending in "_de"
> how can this be done - I can not find any hint within the Zope =
docs/howtos
> :((((
>
> Thanks
>
> Kai
>
> --
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> D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55
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From jens@digicool.com  Wed May  2 12:51:02 2001
From: jens@digicool.com (Jens Vagelpohl)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:51:02 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Making users work
In-Reply-To: <3AEF9E8B.E184A077@symbian.com>
Message-ID: <B7156CE5.1F35%jens@digicool.com>

malcolm,

there are user folders that can talk to windoze, you might want to look at
this product:

http://www.zope.org/Members/jephte/jcNTUserFolder

...or use the User management download section to browse all available user
folder combinations at:

http://www.zope.org/Products/user_management

jens


On 5/2/01 1:43, "Malcolm Box" <malcolm.box@symbian.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> As a Zope newbie (sorry!), I'm deeply confused by how to make users work
> the way I want.
> 
> The site I am developing is an "ideas" site, where people can vote on
> ideas and post new ideas.  What I want to achieve is that everyone can
> access the content or vote anonymously, but to post they have to log
> in.  As this is an intranet site, the WinNT domain controller already
> has a list of every possible user and a password, so I want to use this
> to authenticate who people are, and I certainly don't want to have to
> create and maintain a Zope user for each and every person in the
> organization!
> 
> When people try to post without logging in, I want to send them to a
> page explaining the login requirements and giving them a login form,
> rather than popping up a http authenticate dialog.
> 
> To say that I have no clue how to go about this is an understatement.  I
> think there are three parts to this - one is the login form, the other
> is setting the right permissions on the posting form and the third is
> accessing the NT user database.  I've looked at LoginManager, acl_users
> and various howtos, but I can't work out how to put it all together,
> despite my feeling that it's all there somewhere :-)
> 
> So could anyone outline how to go about this - pointers to dtml source,
> howtos etc gratefully received.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Malcolm
> 
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From jens@digicool.com  Wed May  2 13:05:03 2001
From: jens@digicool.com (Jens Vagelpohl)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:05:03 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope management screens and OmniWeb (on OS X)
In-Reply-To: <51D6FF030F6ED411993000D0B7823C06010A56@EX2BEBREYMBX04>
Message-ID: <B715702E.1F37%jens@digicool.com>

it works on zope.org because zope.org uses a cookie-based authentication.
only basic auth will trigger the problem.

as far as port 80 on OS X goes, you probably must run zope as root user to
achieve that. that's a general unix thing, it doesn't have anything to do
with OS X.

jens


On 5/2/01 3:39, "Dominique.Dutoit@cec.eu.int" <Dominique.Dutoit@cec.eu.int>
wrote:

> Same problem here.
> 
> But I think that the problem is elsewhere because I don't have any problem
> to manage my personal folder on zope.org with OmniWeb. Maybe the problem is
> authenticating an user when there is a port number in the URL. Or the way
> zope.org does the authentication is more friendly that the authentication
> window.
> 
> I have tried to run zope on a port 80 but Python refused to bind the port
> and I'm sure that Apache is not running. It seems that Mac OS X protects
> some resources.
> 
> By the way, iCab has exactly the same problem and yet, it works with the
> personal folder.
> 
> Dominique
> 
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From jwashin@vt.edu  Wed May  2 13:16:29 2001
From: jwashin@vt.edu (Jim Washington)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:16:29 -0400
Subject: [Zope] NETSCAPE WANTS TO SAVE MY LINK
References: <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIOEGFCBAA.brian@digicool.com> <3AEFCCBF.B76B7B0F@sferacarta.com>
Message-ID: <3AEFFA9D.76AF08B5@vt.edu>

Jose Soares wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm experiencing a strange thing when I click a link
> Netscape wants to save the page instead of showing
> it .
> Using IE it works properly.
> Any ideas ?

I have seen this occasionally when I display text from Filemaker Pro
text exports.  The problem has been existence of unusual characters like
Control-O. I believe it is interpreted as possibly binary data.  The
same sort of characters cause "not well-formed" errors if I attempt to
parse a perfectly-well-formed xml representation of the same data.

--  Jim Washington


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue May  1 20:09:48 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:09:48 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Passing the value of a checkbox from a form to a dtml- method
In-Reply-To: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197CDD@exchange>
References: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197CDD@exchange>
Message-ID: <01050121094800.01528@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Tuesday 01 May 2001 15:19, Max M=F8ller Rasmussen wrote:
> > From: Gitte Wange [mailto:gitte@mmmanager.org]
> >
> > value of the checkbox isn't passed along to the receiving method.
> > The checkbox code looks like this:
> > <INPUT TYPE=3D"checkbox" NAME=3D"isPublic">
>
> Perhaps you have forgotten the value it should have when checked?
>
> <INPUT TYPE=3D"checkbox" NAME=3D"isPublic:int" value=3D"1">
>
> Furthermore if a checkbox isn't checked, no value will be send at all.
>
> Maybe it would be simpler to use a select? Then you will allways get a
> value.
>
> <input type=3Dselect name=3DisPublic:int>
>     <option value=3D1>Public<option>
>     <option value=3D0>Hidden<option>
> </input>
>
> regards Max M
>

Okay I have figured out that if a checkbox isn't marked, then no value wi=
ll=20
be sent. But when i tried this, the checkbox WAS checked ....

I could see in the URL string that it doesn't pass the value ... i have o=
ther=20
text fields in the form, e.g. name, and this one is passed like this:
<URL>/index_html?name=3Dfgbfgf&something=3Ddjfbjsgb ... but isPublic does=
n't show=20
up here ... not even without a value !!!

Regards,

--=20
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
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From andreas@digicool.com  Wed May  2 12:53:21 2001
From: andreas@digicool.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:53:21 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope
Message-ID: <000901c0d303$74da9aa0$d0063bd0@SUXLAP>

Zope is an application server based on Python  it's not a library but
a platform for building complex web applications. For further
documentation refer to http://www.zope.org.

Cheers,
Andreas

"Pierre Apos" <papos@yahoo.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3aefd31f.2510296@news.u-strasbg.fr...
> Hi,
>
> I'm new in the Python's world and I found library for Python called
> "ZOPE". It's much more and is too a server web, application server,
> ..
> Have you already hear it ?
> What do you think about Zope ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Benjamin
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list




From Net_Seeker@web.de  Wed May  2 13:34:33 2001
From: Net_Seeker@web.de (Rudi Wurm)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:34:33 +0200
Subject: [Zope] restricting public access
Message-ID: <200105021234.f42CYXF22072@mailgate3.cinetic.de>

i would like to restrict the public access of a Zope site to only a few fo=
lders. what is the easiest way to do this =3F
i unchecked the view-permission in the root-folder for the anonymous role,=
 to make this setting work in the appropriate folders. i then had to grant=
 this permission on any item in my root-folder which is accessed by the pu=
blic, but my folder with all items below are autmatically still visible, a=
lthough the permission in this folder is not set.
what did i wrong =3F

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From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May  2 13:47:49 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:47:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Batchsize looping problem
References: <021301c0d2ed$ef45b920$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AEFEDD8.58A61F2F@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <02ae01c0d307$b0114ed0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

> Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> >
> > Why is it that sometimes batch sizing doesn't work??
> >
> > <dtml-in "eatcatalog.objectValues(['DTML Document'])" reverse size=5>
> > This returns the same as...
> > <dtml-in "eatcatalog.objectValues(['DTML Document'])" reverse>
> > ...would do.
>
> Perhaps you're getting bitten by the implicit default value of orphan=3?
> This really sucks, IMNSHO, but no-one seems to want to change it :-S

Cheers!
I was lazy before when I searched the mailing list.
Adding orphan=0 helped.

<dtml-in "eatcatalog.objectValues(['DTML Document'])" reverse size=5>
 !=
<dtml-in "eatcatalog.objectValues(['DTML Document'])" reverse size=5
orphan=0>

DC, people! This causes a lot of confusion :)


> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
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From jwashin@vt.edu  Wed May  2 14:03:37 2001
From: jwashin@vt.edu (Jim Washington)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:03:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope] TypeError
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMOEBGDNAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <3AF005A9.B400F8E5@vt.edu>

Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> 
> this has never happened before... i don't think it's a product that we have
> used because i tried installing it to other servers and it works... this
> only happens on one of our servers...
> 
> i currently have zeo and zope on the error server...
> 
> this is what comes out...
> 
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: unsliceable object

Hi, Fritz

What version of Zope is that server using?  There was a bug in Zope
2.3.1 that made createInObjectManager() fail with that error when called
from a ZClass.  2.3.2 does not have that problem. Search
http://zope.nipltd.com/public/lists/zope-archive.nsf/ for "unsliceable"
if you wish to patch rather than upgrade.

-- Jim Washington


From NBlue@synomics.com  Wed May  2 14:03:27 2001
From: NBlue@synomics.com (Blue, Neil)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:03:27 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Creating a new user
Message-ID: <55E9531220EDD41186F50090274688BD139306@oranamesrvr0.synomics.com>

Hello,

I have been looking at the API and I can't find a way to create a user
programatically. Am I right in thinking that this is not possible using the
standar user folder?

Cheers
Neil Blue


From arno.gross@consotec.de  Wed May  2 15:17:32 2001
From: arno.gross@consotec.de (Arno Gross)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:17:32 -0100
Subject: [Zope] Creating a new user
In-Reply-To: <55E9531220EDD41186F50090274688BD139306@oranamesrvr0.synomics.com>
References: <55E9531220EDD41186F50090274688BD139306@oranamesrvr0.synomics.com>
Message-ID: <0105021319590C.27764@force>

With the following code you can add a new user:

<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('name', 'theUserName)">
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('password', 'thePassword)">
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('confirm', 'thePassword')">
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('domains', [])">
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('roles', ['Manager', 'Owner'])">
<dtml-call "acl_users.manage_users('Add', REQUEST,RESPONSE)">

Best regards
   Arno

On Wed, 02 May 2001, Blue, Neil wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have been looking at the API and I can't find a way to create a user
> programatically. Am I right in thinking that this is not possible using the
> standar user folder?
> 
> Cheers
> Neil Blue


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May  2 14:18:03 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:18:03 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Creating a new user
References: <55E9531220EDD41186F50090274688BD139306@oranamesrvr0.synomics.com>
Message-ID: <004501c0d30a$53265a50$5c773fc1@media1>

Try looking at manage_users method in
<zopedir>lib/python/AccessControl/user.py

hth

Phil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blue, Neil" <NBlue@synomics.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 2:03 PM
Subject: [Zope] Creating a new user


> Hello,
>
> I have been looking at the API and I can't find a way to create a user
> programatically. Am I right in thinking that this is not possible using
the
> standar user folder?
>
> Cheers
> Neil Blue
>
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  2 14:19:22 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:19:22 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Creating a new user
References: <55E9531220EDD41186F50090274688BD139306@oranamesrvr0.synomics.com>
Message-ID: <3AF0095A.30B1BEB9@nipltd.com>

"Blue, Neil" wrote:
> 
> programatically. Am I right in thinking that this is not possible using the
> standar user folder?

No, you are not right ;-)

Chris


From patrick@eahd.or.ug  Wed May  2 14:33:08 2001
From: patrick@eahd.or.ug (Patrick)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:33:08 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Zope] restricting public access
In-Reply-To: <200105021234.f42CYXF22072@mailgate3.cinetic.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0105021630520.8627-100000@spice.eahd.or.ug>

I **think** that you did not uncheck the "inherit permissions" tab which
makes any folder or object for that matter aquire the permissions of it's
parent folder. You need to do this if you have a folder which you want to
declare private but is contained in a folder that was declared public.
Hope this helps,
Patrick.

On Wed, 2 May 2001, Rudi Wurm wrote:

> i would like to restrict the public access of a Zope site to only a few f=
olders. what is the easiest way to do this ?
> i unchecked the view-permission in the root-folder for the anonymous role=
, to make this setting work in the appropriate folders. i then had to grant=
 this permission on any item in my root-folder which is accessed by the pub=
lic, but my folder with all items below are autmatically still visible, alt=
hough the permission in this folder is not set.
> what did i wrong ?
>
> TorstenK
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From drees@the-bridge.net  Wed May  2 14:26:34 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:26:34 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Creating a new user
In-Reply-To: <0105021319590C.27764@force>
Message-ID: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLCEKACHAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

How would one do this in a python script?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Arno
> Gross
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:18 AM
> To: Blue, Neil; zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Creating a new user
> 
> 
> With the following code you can add a new user:
> 
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('name', 'theUserName)">
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('password', 'thePassword)">
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('confirm', 'thePassword')">
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('domains', [])">
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('roles', ['Manager', 'Owner'])">
> <dtml-call "acl_users.manage_users('Add', REQUEST,RESPONSE)">
> 
> Best regards
>    Arno
> 
> On Wed, 02 May 2001, Blue, Neil wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I have been looking at the API and I can't find a way to create a user
> > programatically. Am I right in thinking that this is not 
> possible using the
> > standar user folder?
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Neil Blue
> 
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> 


From bkc@murkworks.com  Wed May  2 14:39:53 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:39:53 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Calling dtml method from PythonScript, _.None, _ ?
Message-ID: <3AEFD2CA.21235.1E57E8FB@localhost>

I'm trying to eliminate query strings on my DHTML methods, to convert

http://myhost.com/Products?productid=xyz

into

http://myhost.com/ProcessPath/xyz/ProductInfo.htm

I've created a Python Script (2.3.2) that looks like this:

---
target = traverse_subpath[-1]
if target == 'ProductInfo.htm':
    container.Products(context,productid=traverse_subpath[0])

---

Also other variations of the function call, none work.

basically I'm getting a KeyError in <standard_html_header> (called from Products) on 
'bgcolor'

where standard_html_header has

<dtml-unless bgcolor>
...
</dtml-unless>

This code works when not passing through a Python Script call. What is the correct way 
to emulate a <dtml-var> call from a Python Script?

Any idea why the dtml-unless fails when called indirectly through a python script?

---

I know about the PathHandler product, but that doesn't quite fit my needs, my Python 
Script will be more complicated once I get this working.


Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May  2 14:36:32 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:36:32 +0200
Subject: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJCEOLCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <975314650.988817792@BUZZER>

Hi Marc,

zope has a "client" deep in its core :)
See lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py
for more info.

I currently use a external method like this:

from ZPublisher import Client

def web_client(url = '', username = None, password = None, **kw):
     '''access http servers'''
     class gen_res:
         __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__=1
     f=gen_res()
     if kw:
         f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password,kw)
     else:
         f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password)
     return(f)


And use it like this:

<dtml-with "web_client('http://server/uri')">
<dtml-var body>
</dtml-with>

In Client.py are also methods and functions to map arguments
to a POST request as you wish.

I think, the above could be a starting point for you.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 12:12 +0200 Marc Fischer <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:

> Hi Danny,
>
> first of all thank you for your detailed help!!! That is nearly, what I am
> looking for, but one problem exists:
> The page I want to extract (you are right ... its on an external server)
> does not work with passing the variables in the url. I mean ...
>
> http://server?x=a&y=b does not work.
>
> I need to do it with a form like:
>
> <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> <input type=submit>
> </form>
>
> That's my big big problem. Btw, ... its legal :-)))
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Danny William Adair [mailto:Danny@Adair.net]
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 01:26
>> An: Marc Fischer; Paula Mangas
>> Cc: zope@zope.org
>> Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
>>
>>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> When you submit a form to one of your DTML methods or documents, all the
>> form variables will be available without any further work to be done
>> (REQUEST object, see docs). But if I get you right, you are not
>> submitting your form to a method of your own. So things are a bit
>> different here.
>>
>> As I understand it, you are submitting your form to someone else's server
>> (since otherwise you would produce the output yourself). Maybe you're
>> providing an input form that is directed to a search engine, or something
>> similar.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> <form action="http://server" method=POST>
>> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>>
>> <input type="text" name="myInput">
>>
>> <input type=submit>
>> </form>
>> --------------------------------------------
>>
>> If so, then you should take a look at the "KebasData" Product:
>> http://www.zope.org/Members/kedai/KebasData
>>
>> Just instantiate a KebasData object, let's say "results". Take a
>> look at the
>> product's documentation to see how you can extract the relevant code from
>> the external server's result page. I'll try to get you started right
>> away:
>>
>> Set the regular expression patterns properly, start with
>>
>> .*
>>
>> as the search pattern and leave the rest blank ("url" will be set
>> by a DTML
>> method you create, see below), then you'll get the entire
>> external page, you
>> can change that later to fit your needs.
>>
>> Then create a DTML method next to it, lets say "getResults". It could
>> look like this:
>>
>> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
>> <h2>RESULTS</h3>
>> <dtml-with results>
>>   <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('new_url', 'http://server?search=' + myInput)">
>>   <dtml-call "get_matched(new_url)">
>>   <dtml-in match>
>>     <dtml-var result><br/>
>>   </dtml-in>
>> </dtml-with>
>> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
>>
>> This will fetch the page you want to display by calling
>> "get_matched(new_url)", you construct that new_url dynamically, using
>> your form variable "myInput". Then it iterates through the results
>> list and spits
>> out the parts that matched your query, appending a <br/> after each match
>> (if you started with .* as the pattern, the list will only have one item,
>> holding the complete page).
>>
>> Oh, right: your DTML method should have a proxy role that has the right
>> to "change KebasData" (or maybe even "View management_screens"?) on the
>> KebasData object "results", since it calls its function
>> "get_matched", which
>> is usually only called by clicking "Initialize!" in the
>> management screen of
>> the KebasData object.
>>
>> Now you just send your form to "getResults" (instead of the
>> external server
>> directly), and let your DTML method do the rest:
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> <form action="getResults" method=POST>
>> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>>
>> <input type="text" name="myInput">
>>
>> <input type=submit>
>> </form>
>> --------------------------------------------
>>
>> Later, you could put the "getResults" code in a python script, then it's
>> easier to do further processing with your fetched data.
>>
>> hth,
>> Danny
>>
>> P.S.: Check the legal stuff before extracting other people's pages ;-)
>>
>> >>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> >>> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
>> Auftrag von Marc
>> >>> Fischer
>> >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 11.43p
>> >>> An: Paula Mangas; Marc Fischer
>> >>> Cc: zope@zope.org
>> >>> Betreff: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I think there was an understanding problem. I want to get the
>> >>> source code of
>> >>> the result that is displayed in the browser, after klicking on
>> >>> the submit
>> >>> button. I want to be able to handle this source perhabs to create a
>> >>> dtmlmethod wiht it, or do some string extractions with it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> >>> > Von: Paula Mangas [mailto:pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt]
>> >>> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 13:25
>> >>> > An: Marc Fischer
>> >>> > Cc: zope@zope.org
>> >>> > Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc Fischer wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > Hi,
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > I want to get the HTML result from a form into a dtml method.
>> >>> > So I need a
>> >>> > > way to handle this result, but HOW.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > The form ist like this:
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
>> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>> >>> > > <input type=submit>
>> >>> > > </form>
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > If I klick on submit, I get the result displayed in the
>> >>> Browser, but I
>> >>> > > cannot work with it.
>> >>> > > Perhaps someone could help me???
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Hi,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I think that, if you try
>> >>> > <form action="http://server/the_method_you_want_to_call"
>> method=POST>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > it will work.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Paula
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>>
>
>
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From jose@sferacarta.com  Wed May  2 14:53:52 2001
From: jose@sferacarta.com (Jose Soares)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:53:52 +0200
Subject: [Zope] NETSCAPE WANTS TO SAVE MY LINK
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105020237380.10163-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <3AF01170.F3DB5F4E@sferacarta.com>

This is my script:

<HTML>
<BODY>
<TABLE>
<dtml-in "qry.dati_utente(username='ALL3')">
  <dtml-in "qry.movimenti()" size=5 start=query_start>
  <TR><TD><dtml-var DATA_CREAZIONE></TD></TR>
  </dtml-in>
  </TD></TR>
</dtml-in>
</TABLE>
</BODY>
</HTML>

you may try it at: http://www.allevatori.com/ALLEVATORI/pub/jos


kosh@aesaeion.com wrote:

> What is the mime type for your link. Ie what kind of object are you
> linking to and how did you link to it. I have usually found netscape has
> the correct behavior in these situations since ie seems to ignore most
> mime types. A few times I have had to teach the programmers who wrote some
> of these browers what a mime type are with a 2x4 to their heads. Also what
> version of netscape on what os.
>
> On Wed, 2 May 2001, Jose Soares wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm experiencing a strange thing when I click a link
> > Netscape wants to save the page instead of showing
> > it .
> > Using IE it works properly.
> > Any ideas ?
> >
> > Thank you vey much.
> > Jose Soares
> >
> >
> >
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From michel@titus.u-strasbg.fr  Wed May  2 14:48:26 2001
From: michel@titus.u-strasbg.fr (Michel)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:48:26 +0200
Subject: [Zope] USE TRansaction : _begin()
Message-ID: <10105021459.AA09871@porgy>

	Hello,

I'm a young user of zope.
I use Zope with SYBASE (we created a Product SybaseDAv2 and it seems to
work perfectly).
Zope created only one connection to sybase and all my Zope users used this
connection to send SQL requests.

Now I would like to modify some tables from my database. I need to use
transaction. 
I unchecked "use transaction" into properties of my SybaseDAV2.
I created 3 DTML Methods (begin, commit and rollback) which call a ZSQL
Method (begintran, commitran,rollbacktran) but it doesn't work because the
first user doesn't avoid the second user to modify the same data.

By reading documentation, I found there are these methods implemeted with
my SybaseDAv2 product :
 _begin(self)
 _finish(self)
 _abort(self)

But how can I call them ? 
I tried :

<dtml-call SybDA._begin()>
<dtml-call expr="SybDA._begin()">
<dtml-call expr="TM._begin()">
and a lot of other possibilities .... but it doesn't work!!

SybDA is the name of SybaseDAv2 product in my example.

Maybe this will not work too. So How can I use transaction into Zope ?
Could you send me an example ?

	Thank you very much for your help

		OFFNER Michel
		IGBMC
		France




From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May  2 14:59:23 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:59:23 -0400
Subject: [Zope] USE TRansaction : _begin()
References: <10105021459.AA09871@porgy>
Message-ID: <00b001c0d310$1a8316b0$a8063bd0@kurtz>

Hi Michel,

Are Zope's transaction facilities not enough for you?  Zope commits or rolls
back all data stores at the end of a request... the Sybase adapter does this
automatically.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel" <michel@titus.u-strasbg.fr>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:48 AM
Subject: [Zope] USE TRansaction : _begin()


>
> Hello,
>
> I'm a young user of zope.
> I use Zope with SYBASE (we created a Product SybaseDAv2 and it seems to
> work perfectly).
> Zope created only one connection to sybase and all my Zope users used this
> connection to send SQL requests.
>
> Now I would like to modify some tables from my database. I need to use
> transaction.
> I unchecked "use transaction" into properties of my SybaseDAV2.
> I created 3 DTML Methods (begin, commit and rollback) which call a ZSQL
> Method (begintran, commitran,rollbacktran) but it doesn't work because the
> first user doesn't avoid the second user to modify the same data.
>
> By reading documentation, I found there are these methods implemeted with
> my SybaseDAv2 product :
>  _begin(self)
>  _finish(self)
>  _abort(self)
>
> But how can I call them ?
> I tried :
>
> <dtml-call SybDA._begin()>
> <dtml-call expr="SybDA._begin()">
> <dtml-call expr="TM._begin()">
> and a lot of other possibilities .... but it doesn't work!!
>
> SybDA is the name of SybaseDAv2 product in my example.
>
> Maybe this will not work too. So How can I use transaction into Zope ?
> Could you send me an example ?
>
> Thank you very much for your help
>
> OFFNER Michel
> IGBMC
> France
>
>
>
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From pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt  Wed May  2 14:59:28 2001
From: pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt (Paula Mangas)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:59:28 +0100 (WEST)
Subject: [Zope] Creating a new user
In-Reply-To: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLCEKACHAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105021456100.5237-100000@students.si.fct.unl.pt>



Hi!


You can find the answer to your question on User.py file. You can find it
on the zope hierarchy. your_zope_directory/lib/python/AccessControl

Paula



On Wed, 2 May 2001, Steve Drees wrote:

> How would one do this in a python script?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Arno
> > Gross
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:18 AM
> > To: Blue, Neil; zope@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] Creating a new user
> >
> >
> > With the following code you can add a new user:
> >
> > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('name', 'theUserName)">
> > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('password', 'thePassword)">
> > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('confirm', 'thePassword')">
> > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('domains', [])">
> > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('roles', ['Manager', 'Owner'])">
> > <dtml-call "acl_users.manage_users('Add', REQUEST,RESPONSE)">
> >
> > Best regards
> >    Arno
> >
> > On Wed, 02 May 2001, Blue, Neil wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I have been looking at the API and I can't find a way to create a user
> > > programatically. Am I right in thinking that this is not
> > possible using the
> > > standar user folder?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Neil Blue
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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------------------------------------------------------------
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  2 15:03:15 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:03:15 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Creating a new user
References: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLCEKACHAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <3AF013A3.8BEB36AC@nipltd.com>

Steve Drees wrote:
> 
> How would one do this in a python script?

REQUEST = context.REQUEST
RESPONSE = REQUEST.RESPONSE
REQUEST.set('name', 'theUserName)
REQUEST.set('password', 'thePassword)
REQUEST.set('confirm', 'thePassword')
REQUEST.set('domains', [])
REQUEST.set('roles', ['Manager', 'Owner'])
context.acl_users.manage_users('Add', REQUEST,RESPONSE)

cheers,

Chris


From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May  2 15:07:46 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:07:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope] rename objects permission
Message-ID: <02e401c0d311$46f092d0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Which permission is need to have to NOT get this message:
"You are not authorized to access manage_renameObjects. "

I have a role which is only supposed to be able to rename Image objects and
add/edit properties of Image objects.
This user uses a special interface I built and does not go /manage.

Tried the:
Change Images and Files
...permission but that wasn't it.

Cheers, Peter





From tim@freepm.org  Wed May  2 15:11:05 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:11:05 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Creating a new user
References: <55E9531220EDD41186F50090274688BD139306@oranamesrvr0.synomics.com> <3AF0095A.30B1BEB9@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3AF01579.73E4AC59@iswt.com>

Chris Withers wrote:
> 
> "Blue, Neil" wrote:
> >
> > programatically. Am I right in thinking that this is not possible using the
> > standar user folder?
> 
> No, you are not right ;-)

Something the 'old-timers' here drilled into me:
"If you can do it from the ZMI, you can do it in your code too."

The source awaits you!

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From tpassin@mitretek.org  Wed May  2 15:14:18 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:14:18 -0400
Subject: [Zope] parsing xml files
References: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDAEBJCCAA.sven.fischer@gargl.net> <005601c0d2df$4e259640$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
Message-ID: <004a01c0d312$2d554950$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Joachim Werner]

> ParsedXML should do what you want:
> http://www.zope.org/Members/karl/ParsedXML/ParsedXML
>

Except that there is no binary.  You have to build it, and a lot of us can't
or won't.

Tom P



From sven@ecubateur.com  Wed May  2 15:15:37 2001
From: sven@ecubateur.com (ecubateur / sven)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:15:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] parsing xml files
In-Reply-To: <004a01c0d312$2d554950$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
Message-ID: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDEECOCCAA.sven@ecubateur.com>

> ParsedXML should do what you want:
> http://www.zope.org/Members/karl/ParsedXML/ParsedXML

Except that there is no binary.  You have to build it, and a lot of us can't
or won't.

in fact, since i'm doing that on a live server, i'm not very fond of doing
it and possibly messing something up :-S

and yes, i'd prefer having a binary ;-)))

ok, so parsedxml seems to be the best solution to my problem, i'll guess
i'll have to look into it (hope it doesn't crash my machine ;-)

bye,

$ven



From tpassin@mitretek.org  Wed May  2 15:19:43 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:19:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Passing the value of a checkbox from a form to a dtml- method
References: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197CDD@exchange> <01050121094800.01528@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <005601c0d312$eec7afb0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

A better way to look at the form data is to create a dtml document
containing

<dtml "REQUEST.form">

Make this document the value of the "action" attribute of the form.  Then
you will get a clear, easy-to-understand display of the form contents.

Tom P

[Gitte Wange]

Okay I have figured out that if a checkbox isn't marked, then no value will
be sent. But when i tried this, the checkbox WAS checked ....

I could see in the URL string that it doesn't pass the value ... i have
other
text fields in the form, e.g. name, and this one is passed like this:
<URL>/index_html?name=fgbfgf&something=djfbjsgb ... but isPublic doesn't
show
up here ... not even without a value !!!





From demic.pabalan@q-linux.com  Wed May  2 15:37:59 2001
From: demic.pabalan@q-linux.com (demiQ)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:37:59 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Creating a new user
Message-ID: <001401c0d315$7cdff580$640c0b0a@demic>

-----Original Message-----
From: Paula Mangas <pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt>
To: Steve Drees <drees@the-bridge.net>
Cc: zope@zope.org <zope@zope.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope] Creating a new user


>
>
>
>Hi!
>
>
>You can find the answer to your question on User.py file. You can find it
>on the zope hierarchy. your_zope_directory/lib/python/AccessControl

Hi paula, I just want to ask a question related to this.(newbie)

After creating a new user, how will i access the web pages that was created
by the new user, what is the default page ? http://example.com:8080/???
>
>Paula
>
>
>
>On Wed, 2 May 2001, Steve Drees wrote:
>
>> How would one do this in a python script?
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Arno
>> > Gross
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:18 AM
>> > To: Blue, Neil; zope@zope.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Zope] Creating a new user
>> >
>> >
>> > With the following code you can add a new user:
>> >
>> > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('name', 'theUserName)">
>> > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('password', 'thePassword)">
>> > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('confirm', 'thePassword')">
>> > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('domains', [])">
>> > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('roles', ['Manager', 'Owner'])">
>> > <dtml-call "acl_users.manage_users('Add', REQUEST,RESPONSE)">
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> >    Arno
>> >
>> > On Wed, 02 May 2001, Blue, Neil wrote:
>> > > Hello,
>> > >
>> > > I have been looking at the API and I can't find a way to create a
user
>> > > programatically. Am I right in thinking that this is not
>> > possible using the
>> > > standar user folder?
>> > >
>> > > Cheers
>> > > Neil Blue
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> >
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>
>--
>
>============================================================
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> certezas, pois corre o risco de ficar com mais duvidas!...
>------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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From muldrow@mac.com  Wed May  2 11:24:17 2001
From: muldrow@mac.com (Chris Muldrow)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:24:17 +0000
Subject: [Zope] getitem in pythonscript
In-Reply-To: <01050115233102.00745@tokey>
Message-ID: <B71590D0.2933%muldrow@mac.com>

I'm using __getitem__ inside a script like so:
objectRendered = workDir.__getitem__(docs)
where workDir is a container and docs is a string
Does that do what you're looking for?

> From: bak (kedai) <kedai@kedai.com.my>
> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:23:31 +0800
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] getitem in pythonscript
> 
> hi
> what's the equivalent of _.getitem(stuff) in python script?
> the only way i know of is by binding _, and refer to it as
> ob=_.getitem(stuff)
> 
> is this the *only* way?
> 
> thanks
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May  2 15:32:50 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:32:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope] parsing xml files
In-Reply-To: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDEECOCCAA.sven@ecubateur.com>
Message-ID: <978692240.988821170@BUZZER>

Hi Sven,

never ever install a product the first time on a life
system! Make a copy of it to somewhere and test it.
Always keep a save copy of your Data.fs under your pillow!

Regards
Tino

--On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 16:15 +0200 "ecubateur / sven" 
<sven@ecubateur.com> wrote:

>> ParsedXML should do what you want:
>> http://www.zope.org/Members/karl/ParsedXML/ParsedXML
>
> Except that there is no binary.  You have to build it, and a lot of us
> can't or won't.
>
> in fact, since i'm doing that on a live server, i'm not very fond of doing
> it and possibly messing something up :-S
>
> and yes, i'd prefer having a binary ;-)))
>
> ok, so parsedxml seems to be the best solution to my problem, i'll guess
> i'll have to look into it (hope it doesn't crash my machine ;-)
>
> bye,
>
> $ven
>
>
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From joe@iuveno-net.de  Wed May  2 15:36:18 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:36:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] phpWebEd
References: <F101MW57OUho0V2COPH00002eec@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901c0d315$403eb800$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

Hi!

> What do you think about phpWebEd on
>
> http://www.nm-service.de/products.html?pid=pwe
>
> Is this usable under Zope?

It is definitely not usable out-of-the-box with Zope. But it has a nice
basic concept. We are currently doing this kind of stuff in Zope, too:

- in-site editing: We are using a modified version of "IEMethod" to handle
the WYSIWYG-part; unfortunately this is an Internet-Explorer only feature
:-(
- "boxes" that can be created on the left, in the middle, and on the right
of the site
- much more, like integrating syndicated data from News services etc.

So if you want to do what WebEd does under Zope, I'd suggest looking at
http://demo.iuveno-net.de/iuveno/Products/CMS. The online demo is not up and
running yet, but it should be there by end of next week. If you want to see
it now, you'll have to mail us ...

Joachim



From pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt  Wed May  2 15:34:30 2001
From: pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt (Paula Mangas)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 15:34:30 +0100 (WEST)
Subject: [Zope] Creating a new user
In-Reply-To: <001401c0d315$7cdff580$640c0b0a@demic>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105021531000.5237-100000@students.si.fct.unl.pt>



Hi!


> >You can find the answer to your question on User.py file. You can find it
> >on the zope hierarchy. your_zope_directory/lib/python/AccessControl
>
> Hi paula, I just want to ask a question related to this.(newbie)
>
> After creating a new user, how will i access the web pages that was created
> by the new user, what is the default page ? http://example.com:8080/???

I'm doing the same thing too, and what i do is create an directory to the
user and inside it you can put an index_html object, for example. And,
when you create de new user, you can call the object.

Something like that will work. :-)

Paula



From freespacefoundation@yahoo.com  Wed May  2 15:36:38 2001
From: freespacefoundation@yahoo.com (Darin Arrick)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:36:38 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [Info] Sourceforge-like product for Zope?
Message-ID: <auto-000001858691@digicool.com>

I'm new to Zope, but I love it so far. I haven't dug very deeply into it,
but have started reading the newly completed book online and hope to get
more knowledgeable about it.

Anyway, I basically need my own "SourceForge", a collaborative system for
open source hardware and software development. I've thought about using
the SourceForge code itself, but I don't know Perl. I know I could start
to
build something similar with some Zope products, but don't really know how
to go about it.

Is there a product or two for Zope that would give me the functionality I
want? Do you have any other suggestions?

Thank you for your time. And, thanks for Zope!

Sincerely,
Darin Basil Arrick
freespacefoundation@yahoo.com


__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
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From joe@iuveno-net.de  Wed May  2 15:43:35 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:43:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [Info] Sourceforge-like product for Zope?
References: <auto-000001858691@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <005501c0d316$4469cea0$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

----- Original Message -----
From: Darin Arrick (By way of gary@digicool.com)
<freespacefoundation@yahoo.com>
To: Zope Questions <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 4:36 PM
Subject: [Zope] [Info] Sourceforge-like product for Zope?



I'm new to Zope, but I love it so far. I haven't dug very deeply into it,
but have started reading the newly completed book online and hope to get
more knowledgeable about it.

Anyway, I basically need my own "SourceForge", a collaborative system for
open source hardware and software development. I've thought about using
the SourceForge code itself, but I don't know Perl. I know I could start
to
build something similar with some Zope products, but don't really know how
to go about it.

Is there a product or two for Zope that would give me the functionality I
want? Do you have any other suggestions?

Thank you for your time. And, thanks for Zope!

Sincerely,
Darin Basil Arrick
freespacefoundation@yahoo.com


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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Wed May  2 15:42:06 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:42:06 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Catalog Anything Problem
References: <003c01c0d2ce$4cc5c7e0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <3AF01CBE.AF119719@kaivo.com>

> Bobby Mathew wrote:
> 
[snip]
> 
> Now i went into the Find Objects section and searched for the
> getProdtoCatalog zsql method and added to the catalog
> 

This should not be necessary, the ZSQL method itself should not be
cataloged

> Next i went and created the python script (again under the Products
> ZCatalog itself) and i called it catalogProducts this is the code
> inside
> 

So, both the ZSQL method and the python script are contained by the
ZCatalog correct? In other words they are listed under the Contents tab
of the Products catalog.

[snip]

> 
> Zope Error
> 
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> 
> Error Type: AttributeError
> Error Value: getProdToCatalog
> 

This means the ZSQL method is not in the same container as the Python
script, or the container binding in the Python script is messed up. Have
the bindings been changed?

P.S. Please do not post HTML formatted emails to the list! Thanks.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From joe@iuveno-net.de  Wed May  2 15:49:17 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:49:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [Info] Sourceforge-like product for Zope?
References: <auto-000001858691@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c0d317$10890e60$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

I think I have answered this question two days ago or so ;-)

> Anyway, I basically need my own "SourceForge", a collaborative system for
> open source hardware and software development. I've thought about using
> the SourceForge code itself, but I don't know Perl. I know I could start
> to build something similar with some Zope products, but don't really know
how
> to go about it.

> Is there a product or two for Zope that would give me the functionality I
> want? Do you have any other suggestions?

AFAIK there is nothing like sourceforge for Zope yet. But most of the stuff
is there already, just not integrated well:
- bugtrackers
- community portal tools (like Squishdot, CMF)
- user management ...

We at iuveno would like to see zope.org become something like sourceforge
(not only, but also ...), and we are working on some basic code for
groupware that could be used (see http://demo.iuveno-net.de). Anybody who
wants to support developing such a beast: feel free to tell us ;-)

Joachim




From Sven.Syld@stat.ee  Wed May  2 15:02:05 2001
From: Sven.Syld@stat.ee (Sven Syld)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:02:05 +0300
Subject: [Zope] Set expire date for file
Message-ID: <saf03da4.029@mailgate.statsise>

> the constructor of images and files looks like this:
> def __init__(self, id, title, file, content_type=3D'', precondition=3D'')=


> the optional precondition can take the id of a method which is called
> when the image/file is published, e.g. its index_html methods gets
> called.
> You only have to make a method in the acquisition path wich reads this
> (in dtml)
> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('expires',_.DateTime()-1.0)">
> <dtml-return "''">

Value of the expiring date needs to be according to RFC1322 standard, but =
rfc822() attribute of DateTime will do just fine. And time must be =
converted to GMT+0.

Thanks,

Sven



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Wed May  2 16:12:13 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:12:13 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Batchsize looping problem
References: <021301c0d2ed$ef45b920$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AEFEDD8.58A61F2F@nipltd.com> <02ae01c0d307$b0114ed0$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3AF023CD.BE3783E1@kaivo.com>

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> 
[snip]
>
> DC, people! This causes a lot of confusion :)
> 

I'm thinking about adding that to my sig 8^)

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From kedai@kedai.com.my  Wed May  2 16:04:20 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (Bak @ kedai)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 23:04:20 +0800
Subject: [Zope] getitem in pythonscript
Message-ID: <006901c0d319$2b040220$625eb8ca@defaultcn>

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Muldrow <muldrow@mac.com>
To: bak (kedai) <kedai@kedai.com.my>; zope@zope.org <zope@zope.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] getitem in pythonscript


>I'm using __getitem__ inside a script like so:
>objectRendered = workDir.__getitem__(docs)
>where workDir is a container and docs is a string
>Does that do what you're looking for?

i've tried this but got a name error, iirc.  i'll give it another shot at
work tomorrow

>
>> From: bak (kedai) <kedai@kedai.com.my>
>> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:23:31 +0800
>> To: zope@zope.org
>> Subject: [Zope] getitem in pythonscript
>>
>> hi
>> what's the equivalent of _.getitem(stuff) in python script?
>> the only way i know of is by binding _, and refer to it as
>> ob=_.getitem(stuff)
>>
>> is this the *only* way?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>> (Related lists -
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Wed May  2 16:26:03 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:26:03 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Calling dtml method from PythonScript, _.None, _ ?
References: <3AEFD2CA.21235.1E57E8FB@localhost>
Message-ID: <3AF0270B.561FE38A@kaivo.com>

Brad Clements wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to eliminate query strings on my DHTML methods, to convert
> 
> http://myhost.com/Products?productid=xyz
> 
> into
> 
> http://myhost.com/ProcessPath/xyz/ProductInfo.htm
> 
> I've created a Python Script (2.3.2) that looks like this:
> 
> ---
> target = traverse_subpath[-1]
> if target == 'ProductInfo.htm':
>     container.Products(context,productid=traverse_subpath[0])
> 
> ---
> 

You might try:

container.Products(container.Products, productid=traverse_subpath[0])

The first parameter of a DTML object call is the "client". If you pass
the object itself as the client this generally works.

Keep in mind that you are now passing your URL arguments as keywords
rather than through REQUEST. This makes a big difference in where they
show up in the namespace (at the top rather than the bottom), and ZSQL
methods will not see them without explicitly passing them along.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From rkeppner@idiglobal.com  Wed May  2 16:30:56 2001
From: rkeppner@idiglobal.com (Russell Keppner)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:30:56 -0600
Subject: [Zope] RFC - newbie with a zope product
In-Reply-To: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJCEOLCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
References: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJCEOLCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <01050209305600.09321@russell>

<dtml-var expr="standard_newbie_disclaimer">

Your product has started me in the right direction, but I wonder if you could 
answer a question for me. I created the User Friendly sample (and named the 
object "userFriendly") and the display method (named "show"), and everything 
worked as expected. But if I call userFriendly from another DTML method with 
<dtml-var expr="userFriendly">, it just returns something like <KebasData 
instance at 89e0458>. Is there a way to call KebasData objects from DTML 
methods? I would like to be able to use multiple KebasData objects on the 
same page.

Thanks.
Russell Keppner

On Thursday 19 April 2001 10:04 am, bak (kedai) wrote:
>hello
>i'm not sure whether this is a proper thing to do, but here goes
>
>i jsut made myself a python product that grabs a page, and return a list of 
>items; depending on a few regular expression patterns.
>
>any kind soul could spare a few minutes to look and comment on my codes?  
>what i missed out, what should be done, etc
>
>http://www.kedai.com.my/dll/KebasData.tar.gz
>tia
>
>p/s - no docs as yet since this is still in testing phase



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Wed May  2 16:37:14 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:37:14 -0600
Subject: [Zope] rename objects permission
References: <02e401c0d311$46f092d0$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3AF029AA.F495625B@kaivo.com>

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> 
> Which permission is need to have to NOT get this message:
> "You are not authorized to access manage_renameObjects. "
> 
> I have a role which is only supposed to be able to rename Image objects and
> add/edit properties of Image objects.
> This user uses a special interface I built and does not go /manage.
> 
> Tried the:
> Change Images and Files
> ...permission but that wasn't it.
> 
> Cheers, Peter
> 

I believe it would be "Manage Properties" although I could be wrong.
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May  2 16:18:12 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:18:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [Info] Sourceforge-like product for Zope?
References: <auto-000001858691@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <032501c0d31d$e9ac9d50$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Save yourself LOTS of money and hire a Perl developer for a day and then let
him install the SourceForge code. Let the contractor be assisted by a
designer, so that the designer knows where to go to change lookandfeel.
Boring, Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darin Arrick (By way of gary@digicool.com)"
<freespacefoundation@yahoo.com>
To: "Zope Questions" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 4:36 PM
Subject: [Zope] [Info] Sourceforge-like product for Zope?



I'm new to Zope, but I love it so far. I haven't dug very deeply into it,
but have started reading the newly completed book online and hope to get
more knowledgeable about it.

Anyway, I basically need my own "SourceForge", a collaborative system for
open source hardware and software development. I've thought about using
the SourceForge code itself, but I don't know Perl. I know I could start
to
build something similar with some Zope products, but don't really know how
to go about it.

Is there a product or two for Zope that would give me the functionality I
want? Do you have any other suggestions?

Thank you for your time. And, thanks for Zope!

Sincerely,
Darin Basil Arrick
freespacefoundation@yahoo.com


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From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May  2 16:43:49 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:43:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope] rename objects permission
References: <02e401c0d311$46f092d0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AF029AA.F495625B@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <035101c0d31e$b5709db0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

> > Which permission is need to have to NOT get this message:
> > "You are not authorized to access manage_renameObjects. "
> >
> > I have a role which is only supposed to be able to rename Image objects
and
> > add/edit properties of Image objects.
> > This user uses a special interface I built and does not go /manage.
> >
> > Tried the:
> > Change Images and Files
> > ...permission but that wasn't it.
> >
> > Cheers, Peter
> >
>
> I believe it would be "Manage Properties" although I could be wrong.

Nops! Tried that.

> --
> | Casey Duncan
> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
> `------------------>



From evan@4-am.com  Wed May  2 16:51:48 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:51:48 -0500
Subject: [Zope] SiteAccess and broken manage links
References: <000901c0d2d7$fbfc6e40$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <00da01c0d31f$ce9ff410$2a01000a@evansys>

From: "Jason Cunliffe" <jasonic@nomadicsltd.com>
> Zope is reached at http://www.mysite.com/zope
>
> ProxyPass /zope http://www.mysite.com:8888/

You don't mention using a SiteRoot, and you're clearly not using a
VirtualHostMonster.  Either of these can fix your problem.

A SiteRoot in your root Folder with blank Base and "zope" as its Path
should work, although it will muck things up if you try to access the
site other than through the ProxyPass.

A VirtualHostMonster in your root Folder will allow you to precisely
target the problem.  It requires changing the ProxyPass to:

ProxyPass /zope
http://www.mysite.com:8888/VirtualHostBase/http/www.mysite.com:80/Virtua
lHostRoot/_vh_zope

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From evan@4-am.com  Wed May  2 16:57:45 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:57:45 -0500
Subject: [Zope] getitem in pythonscript
References: <01050115233102.00745@tokey>
Message-ID: <00db01c0d320$a1816580$2a01000a@evansys>

From: "bak (kedai)" <kedai@kedai.com.my>
> what's the equivalent of _.getitem(stuff) in python script?

_.getitem implements a lot of namespace magic, including complex lookup
rules and automatic rendering.  There are more explicit substitutes,
though:

1. getattr(object, stuff): Use if you know which object (context or
container, for instance) has an attribute that you are looking for, or
can acquire it.

2. f[stuff]: Use to get an object contained in Folder "f".

3. container.REQUEST.get(stuff): Use to get a value from the REQUEST.

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From rbickers@logicetc.com  Wed May  2 16:59:12 2001
From: rbickers@logicetc.com (Ron Bickers)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:59:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope] RE: Catalog Anything Problem
In-Reply-To: <003c01c0d2ce$4cc5c7e0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <NBBBLMKDDAEIBGKHFKKCEEOFCOAA.rbickers@logicetc.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bobby Mathew [mailto:bobby@dialognet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 2:08 AM
> To: rbickers@logicetc.com
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Catalog Anything Problem
>

> Since i am a newbie i was not sure what you meant in the
> cataloganything doc when you said...
> =============
> Setting Up the Catalog ...

I meant exactly what you did, set up the catalog as you would for any type
of search.

> postgres. So i just didnt do anything further. I have a products
> table in the postgres rdbms that i want to search by title and
> description. So after this i created a zsql method called
> getProdtoCatalog under the ZCatalog itself - the query i used is

> Now i went into the Find Objects section and searched for the
> getProdtoCatalog zsql method and added to the catalog

As mentioned by Casey, this is not necessary.  In fact, you want these *not*
in the catalog.

> Next i went and created the python script (again under the
> Products ZCatalog itself) and i called it catalogProducts this is
> the code inside
> for book in container.getProdToCatalog():
>     container.catalog_object(Product,
>     '/learn/search/Products/'+Product.Number+'/proddetails.html')
>     print 'Product #' + Product.Number
> return printed

Your first parameter to catalog_object is 'Product', but there is no such
object.  It should probably read:

  for Product in container.getProdToCatalog():

This, BTW, pointed me to the same mistake in the catalogArticles() Python
script of my HowTo, which I just fixed.

Also, is it getProdToCatalog or getProdtoCatalog?  Case is important and
this may be why you're getting the exception.

_______________________

Ron Bickers
Logic Etc, Inc.
rbickers@logicetc.com



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Wed May  2 17:12:20 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:12:20 -0600
Subject: [Zope] rename objects permission
References: <02e401c0d311$46f092d0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AF029AA.F495625B@kaivo.com> <035101c0d31e$b5709db0$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3AF031E4.9FA41F94@kaivo.com>

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> 
> >
> > I believe it would be "Manage Properties" although I could be wrong.
> 
> Nops! Tried that.
> 

After reading the all knowing source and experimenting here are the
permissions you need:

Access contents information
View
View Management Screens
Delete Objects
Add (Insert Object Type here)

The last permission controls what types of objects can be renamed. There
is no way to restrict access to the rename form, however, simply having
View Management screens gives you that.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From pjgrizel@mouli.net  Wed May  2 17:17:46 2001
From: pjgrizel@mouli.net (Pierre-Julien Grizel)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:17:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANNOUNCE] A French Zope Book !
Message-ID: <3AF0332A.18238AFC@mouli.net>

Hi,


I'm glad to tell you I wrote a whole book on Zope. It will be released by the
french editor Eyrolles around 6/15/2001.


There are 3 main parts:
- Zope for webmasters (install, DTML, forms & cookies, ZCatalog, ...)
- Zope for programmers (ZSQL, Python, ZClasses, products, conception, ...)
- Cases studies (An internet/intranet website, an electronic commerce solution
and an LDAP web interface)


I think this is a nice information for the Zope community - and especially the
active french Zope community.



There are the book references :

Title: Zope
With three cases studies
Author: Pierre-Julien Grizel
Editor: Eyrolles / Collection Solutions Développeurs
More than 400 pages
ISBN: 2-212-09281-x
Price: Around 249 F (around 40.8 Euros)



Regards,


Pierre-Julien Grizel


From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May  2 17:15:45 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:15:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] StructuredText in Python Scripts
Message-ID: <03a301c0d326$c3602550$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Howdy!

Tried:
"from StructuredText import StructuredText"

in a python script but
"Error Type: ImportError
Error Value: import of "StructuredText" from "StructuredText" is
unauthorized"

I can import
from Products.PythonScripts.standard import structured_text

But this structured_text isn't the same as the StructuredText module, is it?
I basically want to format text like one does in say a ZWiki.

Cheers,
Peter



From evan@4-am.com  Wed May  2 17:51:45 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:51:45 -0500
Subject: [Zope] DTML calling explained
References: <3AEFD2CA.21235.1E57E8FB@localhost>
Message-ID: <010001c0d328$2cd086f0$2a01000a@evansys>

From: "Brad Clements" <bkc@murkworks.com>
> target = traverse_subpath[-1]
> if target == 'ProductInfo.htm':
>     container.Products(context,productid=traverse_subpath[0])

In this case, you probably want to use:

container.Products(container.Products, context.REQUEST,
productid=traverse_subpath[0])

..or..

req = context.REQUEST
req.set('productid', traverse_subpath[0])
container.Products(context, req)

Lecture time:

DTML Methods have the call signature:
 (client=None,
  REQUEST={},
  RESPONSE=None,
  **kw)

When a Method is the target of a URL, ZPublisher calls it like this:

method(context, REQUEST, RESPONSE)

The Method creates a namespace and pushes some standard shared data onto
it, followed by the REQUEST and the context object (the object on which
the method is being called).  RESPONSE is just used to set up headers
properly, and can be ignored; You shouldn't pass it yourself.

Now the context is on top of the namespace, so the Method has access to
its attributes (including acquired ones).  If a name is not found in the
context, the REQUEST is searched next.

When DTML calls a DTML Method using <dtml-var method>, it does so like
this:

method(None, _)

The trick, here, is that the namespace "_" already contains the client,
request, and keyword arguments that were passed to the *calling* DTML
Method.  The called Method notices that it has been given a valid
namespace, and adopts it.  There is no client, and no keyword arguments,
so nothing else gets pushed onto the namespace.  The called method has
access to the exact same set of names as the caller did when it
performed the call.

When you call a DTML Method from Python, whether it be filesystem code,
a Script, or an expression in DTML or a Page Template, you must decide
what information to make available to it.  If you have access to a
properly constructed namespace (it was passed to you, or bound by your
Script) you can simply pass it along:

method(None, namespace)

Otherwise, you will probably want to call it like ZPublisher does,
passing a client and the REQUEST.  A reasonable client to choose is the
object from which you are acquiring the method (assuming that you
haven't simply been handed the method), and you can probably acquire the
REQUEST from it as well (or from your container).  This gives you:

container.Products(container.Products, context.REQUEST)

If you want to pass additional data, you have two choices.  You can use
keyword arguments, in which case you might override names in the client
or REQUEST.  Second, you can add the data to the REQUEST using set(), in
which case it might be hidden by names in the client or REQUEST.

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca  Wed May  2 17:53:17 2001
From: Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca (Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:53:17 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [ANNOUNCE] A French Zope Book !
Message-ID: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E010CD436@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>

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r=E9pandu, et
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Hi,


I'm glad to tell you I wrote a whole book on Zope. It will be released =
by
the
french editor Eyrolles around 6/15/2001.


There are 3 main parts:
- Zope for webmasters (install, DTML, forms & cookies, ZCatalog, ...)
- Zope for programmers (ZSQL, Python, ZClasses, products, conception, =
...)
- Cases studies (An internet/intranet website, an electronic commerce
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and an LDAP web interface)


I think this is a nice information for the Zope community - and =
especially
the
active french Zope community.



There are the book references :

Title: Zope
With three cases studies
Author: Pierre-Julien Grizel
Editor: Eyrolles / Collection Solutions D=E9veloppeurs
More than 400 pages
ISBN: 2-212-09281-x
Price: Around 249 F (around 40.8 Euros)



Regards,


Pierre-Julien Grizel

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From bkc@murkworks.com  Wed May  2 18:18:39 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:18:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: DTML calling explained
In-Reply-To: <010001c0d328$2cd086f0$2a01000a@evansys>
Message-ID: <3AF00611.15014.1F2035A4@localhost>

Thank for the detailed explanation.

Adding REQUEST solved my problem. I had also tried adding _ but that didn't work 
from pythonscript even though _ was bound to the dtml namespace.

(ie, I tried   context.ProductInfo(None,_,productid=traverse_path[0])

But I still think there is a problem.

pythonscript ProcessPath calls DTML Method ProductInfo which dtml-var DTML 
Method Standard_Html_Header.

In Standard_Html_header I have

<dtml-unless bgcolor>
do something
</dtml-unless>

My understanding of dtml-unless is that it's true if bgcolor is None, '' or does not exist in 
the namespace.

If ProcessPath includes REQUEST in it's call to ProductInfo, all is well. But if 
REQUEST is not included, then I get a KeyError on the <dtml-unless bgcolor> 
statement. 

This doesn't seem correct. I'd expect to not get a KeyError, since dtml-unless is 
supposed to catch that.  Isn't it?

So .. if a DTML_Method does not get REQUEST, looks like <dtml-unless> doesn't do 
what's expected.



Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements


From Francois-regis.Chalaoux@sanofi-synthelabo.com  Wed May  2 15:52:08 2001
From: Francois-regis.Chalaoux@sanofi-synthelabo.com (Francois-regis Chalaoux)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:52:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Service NT INSTANCE_HOME - Second shot
Message-ID: <"010502174022Z.WT29285. 15*/PN=Francois-regis.Chalaoux/O=RESEARCH/PRMD=SANOFI/ADMD=ATLAS/C=FR/"@MHS>

Hi,

The very good Howto at "http://www.zope.org/Members/4am/instancehome" describe a nice solution to start Zope with an another INSTANCE_HOME .

However, this solution don't seem effective with the Zope NT service : 

If you create a INSTANCE_HOME with var, Extensions, import, Products, access entities,
and you declare INSTANCE_HOME in start.bat, Zope find correctly your INSTANCE_HOME when you manually run start.bat. 

But if you start Zope with a service it does not work even if you change the string INSTANCE_HOME in the NT registry ?

Is there a sweet solution to affect an another INSTANCE_HOME and start zope with a service ?

FR


From augusto@artlover.com  Wed May  2 18:59:19 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:59:19 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Local FS for multimedia content (was Re:Image Content)
References: <20010502095259.5713.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <3AF04AF7.A928D5A2@artlover.com>

I think it's a good idea to help to enhance Jonothan's LocalFS product.
I use it to browse image files at already filesystem existing directories, and
also to watch those images rendered at the very main screen, when they're under
a threshold file size. If you restrict conveniently the access to those
directories trough the filesystem, you don't need to store them at the ZDB,
with the obvious advantage of not crowding it.
The current downside is that you can't store metadata, but that's a noticeable
"todo" at the readme. I've tried ExtFile product and ZPhoto product too, and
though they have good features on their own, I think a merging-features work
should be done, in order to offer directory imports to ZDB(for previews and
metadata
storing issues, cataloguing, and sinchronization to filesystem changes) and 
external filesystem storing.

A tool like this would be a good starting point to a reliable multimedia asset
CMS.


Ausum
 


dave@kovach.com wrote:
> 
> Hi -
> 
> I have acouple questions regarding a photo content management system I am building as a tutorial to learn various aspects of Zope. So... I need some pointing in the right direction on the following...
> 
> What is the most appropriate way to say add (5) containers of varying numbers of images without using the Zope management interface to manually add each one?
> 
> I guess it might be possible to write a tool that iterates through a file directory and add an image element into a zope folder... or are there provisions already for this sorta thing?
> 
> Also, if you want to give someone an easy interface to use to have access to adding/deleting photos in this scenario - would you have to build it? or is there something within Zope that allows a non-Zope'er to be able to access a form to do this maintenace?
> 
> Any help or some pointing to what how-tos I should
> read would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> David Kovach
> dave@kovach.com
> 
> _____________________________________________________
> 
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From evan@4-am.com  Wed May  2 19:06:52 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:06:52 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Re: DTML calling explained
References: <3AF00611.15014.1F2035A4@localhost>
Message-ID: <014801c0d332$adfbcdc0$2a01000a@evansys>

From: "Brad Clements" <bkc@murkworks.com>
> Adding REQUEST solved my problem. I had also tried adding _ but that
didn't work
> from pythonscript even though _ was bound to the dtml namespace.

That's probably because your Script wasn't being called from DTML, and
therefore had an empty namespace.

> pythonscript ProcessPath calls DTML Method ProductInfo which dtml-var
DTML
> Method Standard_Html_Header.

> If ProcessPath includes REQUEST in it's call to ProductInfo, all is
well. But if
> REQUEST is not included, then I get a KeyError on the <dtml-unless
bgcolor>
> statement.

Hmm.  I'm not sure why that is.  I'll have to look into it.

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From Francois-regis.Chalaoux@sanofi-synthelabo.com  Wed May  2 17:58:43 2001
From: Francois-regis.Chalaoux@sanofi-synthelabo.com (Francois-regis Chalaoux)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:58:43 +0200
Subject: Re'f. : Re'f. : Re: Re'f. : Re: [Zope] Webdav - Microsoft Word - Zope
Message-ID: <"010502175506Z.WT02289. 67*/PN=Francois-regis.Chalaoux/O=RESEARCH/PRMD=SANOFI/ADMD=ATLAS/C=FR/"@MHS>

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Francois-regis Chalaoux
30/04/2001 18:45
Pour :	cduncan@kaivo.com%internet@WTFR
zope@zope.org
cc :	=20

Objet :	R=E9f. : Re: Re'f. : Re: [Zope] Webdav - Microsoft Word - Zope =20

I'd tested the manipulations with users today and We can't write html fil=
es that we put inside Zope via webfolder when we edit them in Word. It's =
working with '.doc' !!
What's the difference between this two type of files?

FR



>What I mean was what happens if in Word, you go to File->Open, click on
>"Web Folders" and browse to the Zope hosted doc. Does it open read-only
>then too?

No, I can save the file in Zope.

FR

Francois-regis Chalaoux wrote:
>=20
> > What happens when you open it from the web folder directly in Word?
>=20
> I Open Word with the required document.
>=20
> > Is it still read-only??
>=20
> No, I can save it.
>=20
> FR
>=20












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From Francois-regis.Chalaoux@sanofi-synthelabo.com  Wed May  2 17:59:16 2001
From: Francois-regis.Chalaoux@sanofi-synthelabo.com (Francois-regis Chalaoux)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:59:16 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Service NT INSTANCE_HOME - Second shot
Message-ID: <"010502175510Z.WT02289. 70*/PN=Francois-regis.Chalaoux/O=RESEARCH/PRMD=SANOFI/ADMD=ATLAS/C=FR/"@MHS>

---------------------- Envoy=E9 par Francois-regis Chalaoux/FR-LABEGE/RES=
EARCH/SANOFI le 02/05/2001 19:02 ----------------------------


Francois-regis Chalaoux
02/05/2001 16:52
Pour :	zope@zope.org
cc :	=20

Objet :	Service NT INSTANCE_HOME - Second shot

Hi,

The very good Howto at "http://www.zope.org/Members/4am/instancehome" des=
cribe a nice solution to start Zope with an another INSTANCE_HOME .

However, this solution don't seem effective with the Zope NT service :=20

If you create a INSTANCE_HOME with var, Extensions, import, Products, acc=
ess entities,
and you declare INSTANCE_HOME in start.bat, Zope find correctly your INST=
ANCE_HOME when you manually run start.bat.=20

But if you start Zope with a service it does not work even if you change =
the string INSTANCE_HOME in the NT registry ?

Is there a sweet solution to affect an another INSTANCE_HOME and start zo=
pe with a service ?

FR



From echlinm@aecl.ca  Wed May  2 18:20:56 2001
From: echlinm@aecl.ca (Echlin, Michael)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:20:56 -0400
Subject: [Zope] upgrading an RPM install of Zope.
Message-ID: <0F36CD681E3DD311B49E00805F3160BC0180BAB8@crs27.crl.aecl.ca>

Hi,

We have a few Zope servers, one of which was installed using the rpm method.
The rpm install goes to different directories then the manual install as per
the web page (using the rpm install some of the software is installed in the
/usr/share/zope and the rest is in /var/zope.) The upgrade (there is no rpm
upgrade yet) from 2.3.X to 2.3.2 has directories that do not appear in any
of the directory structures created in the rpm install (inst is one
directory that does not appear.)
The 2.3.X to 2.3.2 upgrade wants to install to a common directory structure
not a split-up structure like the rpm install.
I am going to back up everything and try to copy the right pieces to the
right place but who knows what will happen.

Any advice before I try this?

Mike Echlin CP/SA/CM
AECL Control and Operations Technology 
echlinm@aecl.ca



From kyroraz@usa.net  Wed May  2 19:14:02 2001
From: kyroraz@usa.net (Jason Joy)
Date: 2 May 2001 11:14:02 MST
Subject: [Zope] Product Creation and Permission
Message-ID: <20010502181402.8059.qmail@nwcst283.netaddress.usa.net>

Hey there, I have a question regarding the use of permissions in Classes,=

regarding the creation of user-made Products for Zope.  =


The product that I have is made from 2 classes, which for this example I =
will
call classes A and B.  From the management screen of Class A after you cr=
eate
a instance of it in Zope, it shows a list from a external database of
instances of B.  B does not get into the Zope Database at all.  A's code =
has
been modified in the manage_menu system such that it can add and subtract=

instances of B from the external database.  It does this just fine.

When selecting a instance of B (let's call it C), from the management men=
u of
A, I keep getting asked to enter my password and can never get in, eventu=
ally
getting it to say that I don't have permission to manage it or view it.  =
I
tried adding:  =


        security =3D ClassSecurityInfo()
        security.declareObjectPublic()
        security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
        security.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1

=2E.. but it seemed to only grant me access to the index_html, bouncing m=
e down
to a lower level other than management.

I think the problem is that Zope doesn't see B very well and I need to te=
ll it
how to manage it.  Does anyone have any ideas how I can take this B objec=
t and
give it access privledges so that I can manage it?  I tried tinkering wit=
h
__ac_permissions__ but I got locked out even further, not even index_html=

would come up. :)

Any thoughts?  Thanks.

Jason
  =


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From marcbpc@gmx.de  Wed May  2 19:45:55 2001
From: marcbpc@gmx.de (Marc Fischer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:45:55 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <975314650.988817792@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJIEPGCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>

Hi Tino,

I think, thats it, what I am looking for. Your Example works fine so far.
But my understanding in python I so low, that I am not able change it in my
needed way. Perhabs you could tell me how to realize this:

<form action="http://server" method=POST>
<input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
<input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
<input type=submit>
</form>

and show me how to get the source of the result page?! :-)

I would be very happy, ... thanx a lot ...

Marc




> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im Auftrag von Tino
> Wildenhain
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 15:37
> An: Marc Fischer; Danny William Adair; Paula Mangas
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
>
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> zope has a "client" deep in its core :)
> See lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py
> for more info.
>
> I currently use a external method like this:
>
> >from ZPublisher import Client
>
> def web_client(url = '', username = None, password = None, **kw):
>      '''access http servers'''
>      class gen_res:
>          __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__=1
>      f=gen_res()
>      if kw:
>          f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password,kw)
>      else:
>          f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password)
>      return(f)
>
>
> And use it like this:
>
> <dtml-with "web_client('http://server/uri')">
> <dtml-var body>
> </dtml-with>
>
> In Client.py are also methods and functions to map arguments
> to a POST request as you wish.
>
> I think, the above could be a starting point for you.
>
> HTH
> Tino Wildenhain
>
> --On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 12:12 +0200 Marc Fischer
> <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi Danny,
> >
> > first of all thank you for your detailed help!!! That is
> nearly, what I am
> > looking for, but one problem exists:
> > The page I want to extract (you are right ... its on an external server)
> > does not work with passing the variables in the url. I mean ...
> >
> > http://server?x=a&y=b does not work.
> >
> > I need to do it with a form like:
> >
> > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > <input type=submit>
> > </form>
> >
> > That's my big big problem. Btw, ... its legal :-)))
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: Danny William Adair [mailto:Danny@Adair.net]
> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 01:26
> >> An: Marc Fischer; Paula Mangas
> >> Cc: zope@zope.org
> >> Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Marc,
> >>
> >> When you submit a form to one of your DTML methods or
> documents, all the
> >> form variables will be available without any further work to be done
> >> (REQUEST object, see docs). But if I get you right, you are not
> >> submitting your form to a method of your own. So things are a bit
> >> different here.
> >>
> >> As I understand it, you are submitting your form to someone
> else's server
> >> (since otherwise you would produce the output yourself). Maybe you're
> >> providing an input form that is directed to a search engine,
> or something
> >> similar.
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> >> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> >> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> >>
> >> <input type="text" name="myInput">
> >>
> >> <input type=submit>
> >> </form>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> If so, then you should take a look at the "KebasData" Product:
> >> http://www.zope.org/Members/kedai/KebasData
> >>
> >> Just instantiate a KebasData object, let's say "results". Take a
> >> look at the
> >> product's documentation to see how you can extract the
> relevant code from
> >> the external server's result page. I'll try to get you started right
> >> away:
> >>
> >> Set the regular expression patterns properly, start with
> >>
> >> .*
> >>
> >> as the search pattern and leave the rest blank ("url" will be set
> >> by a DTML
> >> method you create, see below), then you'll get the entire
> >> external page, you
> >> can change that later to fit your needs.
> >>
> >> Then create a DTML method next to it, lets say "getResults". It could
> >> look like this:
> >>
> >> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> >> <h2>RESULTS</h3>
> >> <dtml-with results>
> >>   <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('new_url', 'http://server?search=' +
> myInput)">
> >>   <dtml-call "get_matched(new_url)">
> >>   <dtml-in match>
> >>     <dtml-var result><br/>
> >>   </dtml-in>
> >> </dtml-with>
> >> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
> >>
> >> This will fetch the page you want to display by calling
> >> "get_matched(new_url)", you construct that new_url dynamically, using
> >> your form variable "myInput". Then it iterates through the results
> >> list and spits
> >> out the parts that matched your query, appending a <br/> after
> each match
> >> (if you started with .* as the pattern, the list will only
> have one item,
> >> holding the complete page).
> >>
> >> Oh, right: your DTML method should have a proxy role that has the right
> >> to "change KebasData" (or maybe even "View management_screens"?) on the
> >> KebasData object "results", since it calls its function
> >> "get_matched", which
> >> is usually only called by clicking "Initialize!" in the
> >> management screen of
> >> the KebasData object.
> >>
> >> Now you just send your form to "getResults" (instead of the
> >> external server
> >> directly), and let your DTML method do the rest:
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> <form action="getResults" method=POST>
> >> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> >> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> >>
> >> <input type="text" name="myInput">
> >>
> >> <input type=submit>
> >> </form>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Later, you could put the "getResults" code in a python script,
> then it's
> >> easier to do further processing with your fetched data.
> >>
> >> hth,
> >> Danny
> >>
> >> P.S.: Check the legal stuff before extracting other people's pages ;-)
> >>
> >> >>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> >> >>> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
> >> Auftrag von Marc
> >> >>> Fischer
> >> >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 11.43p
> >> >>> An: Paula Mangas; Marc Fischer
> >> >>> Cc: zope@zope.org
> >> >>> Betreff: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I think there was an understanding problem. I want to get the
> >> >>> source code of
> >> >>> the result that is displayed in the browser, after klicking on
> >> >>> the submit
> >> >>> button. I want to be able to handle this source perhabs to create a
> >> >>> dtmlmethod wiht it, or do some string extractions with it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> >> >>> > Von: Paula Mangas [mailto:pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt]
> >> >>> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 13:25
> >> >>> > An: Marc Fischer
> >> >>> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> >> >>> > Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc Fischer wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > > Hi,
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > I want to get the HTML result from a form into a dtml method.
> >> >>> > So I need a
> >> >>> > > way to handle this result, but HOW.
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > The form ist like this:
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> >> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> >> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> >> >>> > > <input type=submit>
> >> >>> > > </form>
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > If I klick on submit, I get the result displayed in the
> >> >>> Browser, but I
> >> >>> > > cannot work with it.
> >> >>> > > Perhaps someone could help me???
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Hi,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > I think that, if you try
> >> >>> > <form action="http://server/the_method_you_want_to_call"
> >> method=POST>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > it will work.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Paula
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> >> >>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> >> >>> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
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> >> >>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
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From edc@mail.8days.com  Wed May  2 19:48:17 2001
From: edc@mail.8days.com (Ed Colmar)
Date: Wed,  2 May 2001 12:48:17 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Announce: GreetingCard-0.2 (development)
Message-ID: <200105021248.AA131354@mail.8days.com>

Hi Everyone!

I am building zope based web tools for a printing company in Colorado, called Eight Days A Week.  The management recently decided to open the source that I have been developing.  One more victory for the freedom fighters!

The first piece of code to near release quality is a greeting card toolkit.  It uses zope for data storage, image upload, html generation, and management functionality.  LocalFS and reportlab are used to generate PDF formatted high-resolution cards set up with cropmarks to print.  

The code is still Alpha quality with several areas where significant improvement can be made, but is functional as is.

A demo is running here:  http://www.8daw.com:8080/greetingcards/  (zope 2.3 : Mandrake 7.2 linux)  You will not be able to use the PDF tools, unless you install it somewhere with management access.

Hope you all like it!  Please let me know if you find it useful, or make any changes.  

-ed-




From marc@bowery.com  Wed May  2 20:07:29 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:07:29 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
Message-ID: <B715D331.2C083%marc@bowery.com>

Odd that noone has made a product for audio storage, analogous to Image, so
I took a crack at it.

So far it parses MP3 tag data.  Anyone have info on RealAudio tag data?
Since it's based on File, it'll actually store anything.  But the cool thing
is, it sucks the ID3 tag data out of the file (if there is any) and puts it
into properties, so it can be indexed.  You can also edit the data in the
properties page, and whenever the audio is rendered, the new tag data is
inserted.

It should be easy to add stuff to look for WAV and AIFF header info and suck
that out, since python comes with libraries to do that, but those aren't
popular web formats so I haven't done it yet.

It's not CatalogAware, just as Image.... I figured you'd wrap it or whatever
to do that, but I'm open to suggestions.

It's the first release, so obviously don't depend on it to launch rockets :)

Get it here:

http://www.zope.org/Members/bowerymarc/Audio




From mindlace@digicool.com  Wed May  2 19:56:04 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:56:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Error on Zope download page
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010502104225.22693A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <165000000.988829764@mindlace.digicool.com>

--On Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:46:08 +0200 Jerome Alet <alet@unice.fr> 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Don't know if this is an error or not, here's what you can read from
> Zope's download page:
>
> Download Zope 2.3.2 the current stable release.
> Download Zope 2.3.2b2 the current development release.

Hi,

I've corrected it.  As soon as there is a development version that has a 
higher revision number, the text will change back to "current development 
version".

HTH,
--
ethan mindlace fremen
zopatista community liason


From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  2 18:59:24 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:59:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] dtml-in and objectValues()
In-Reply-To: <232707557@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15088.19196.564748.380111@lindm.dm>

Kai Hofmann writes:
 > ...
 > now I wanted to do something like
 > 
 > <dtml-in "subdir.objectValues('*_de')>
You may use "ZopeFind".

It provides much more control over with objects are returned
then "objectValues". Documentation via "ZQR" (Zope Quick Reference).


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  2 18:47:22 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:47:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] executing dynamically generated code (eval)?
In-Reply-To: <906989205@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15088.18474.524084.478544@lindm.dm>

Marcus Schopen writes:
 > is there a kind of dtml-eval command?
 > 
 > I'd like to execute dynamicly generated code like:
 > <dtml-var <dtml-var someting>>.
Others have answered to your specific request.

Someone else has had a similar need than you may have.
And he announced an extension "dtml-eval" in the mailing
lists. It can be quite dangerous. Of course, it did
not make it in the Zope core and I never looked at it more
closely (I would use a special purpose External Method
for these cases).

You may find the announcement via the searchable list
archives.



Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  2 19:08:44 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:08:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
In-Reply-To: <961676758@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15088.19756.684962.566778@lindm.dm>

Jerome Alet writes:
 > here are some small suggestions to improve (IMHO) the management
 > interface. 
 > 
 > When viewing an object it would be fine if the Rename/Cut/Copy and Delete
 > buttons were still available (but probably not the Paste button).
I would not mind, but would use them rarely.

 > Another thing I'd be glad to use would be MoveUp and MoveTo buttons:
Never wanted to have that:

  I open two browser windows, showing source and destination.
  I select and copy/cut in the source, move to destination
  and click "paste".

For me, at least, it would be much more helpful, if
the controlling buttons would be both at top and bottom.



Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  2 19:18:30 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:18:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <460786909@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15088.20342.101372.188631@lindm.dm>

Marc Fischer writes:
 > The page I want to extract (you are right ... its on an external server)
 > does not work with passing the variables in the url. I mean ...
 > 
 > http://server?x=a&y=b does not work.
 > 
 > I need to do it with a form like:
 > 
 > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
 > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
 > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
 > <input type=submit>
 > </form>
 > 
 > That's my big big problem. Btw, ... its legal :-)))
Apparently, your server wants to get a "POST" request.

You will not get "POST" requests with simple "<a href...>" elements.
These elements generate "GET" requests only.

You may succeed with JavaScript, but I am not familiar
enough to tell this for sure.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  2 18:57:55 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:57:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] something like getpath in ZCatalog for methods
In-Reply-To: <1029733822@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15088.19107.901335.199815@lindm.dm>

Marcus Schopen writes:
 > is it possible to get the absolut position/url of a method (e.g. method_X) that
 > is located somewhere in one of the above parents folders?
There are "absolute_url" and "getPhysicalPath".

If you use "absolute_url" you may (or may not!) want to use "this()" to
get rid of unwanted acquisition context. Something like:

    <dtml-var "method.this().absolute_url(1)">


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  2 19:21:59 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:21:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] rename objects permission
In-Reply-To: <953793690@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15088.20551.223126.590577@lindm.dm>

Peter Bengtsson writes:
 > Which permission is need to have to NOT get this message:
 > "You are not authorized to access manage_renameObjects. "
 > 
 > I have a role which is only supposed to be able to rename Image objects and
 > add/edit properties of Image objects.
 > This user uses a special interface I built and does not go /manage.
I used my "DocFinder" product to quickly determine that
"manage_renameObjects" is protected by "View management screens".

An alternative would have been to look at the sources ....


Dieter



From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  2 19:04:31 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:04:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] NETSCAPE WANTS TO SAVE MY LINK
In-Reply-To: <456689302@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15088.19503.57749.699355@lindm.dm>

Jose Soares writes:
 > I'm experiencing a strange thing when I click a link
 > Netscape wants to save the page instead of showing
 > it .
 > Using IE it works properly.
 > Any ideas ?
What should happen with content can be configured.

The configuration specifies how the various MIME types
should be handled: shown internally, saved to disk, viewed
through an external program.

Of course, the default configuration of IE and Netscape
need not be identical (that's what you see, apparently).
Even Netscapes on different platforms have different
configurations.

You may want to look at your configuration. In my Linux
Netscape 4.7 it is in "Edit Preferences -> Navigator -> Applications".


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  2 18:43:44 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:43:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Zope IOError messages (FOUND TEST CASE)
In-Reply-To: <1014229590@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15088.18256.452154.669217@lindm.dm>

=?iso-8859-1?q?J=E9r=F4me=20Loisel?= writes:
 > .... strange IOError problems ....
 > To manually restart Zope, I do the following: I open a shell, su, run the 
 > stop script, run the start script, check that everything works and exit my 
 > shell. You supposed that maybe stderr disappears somehow, causing my 
 > IOErrors... Would closing my shell not make stderr disappear?
Closing the shell will close "stderr" unless you have taken
precaution.

The easiest way is to use "nohup" to start your process.
"nohup" will redirect "stdin" (to "/dev/null") and "stdout/stderr"
to "nohup.out" (unless a different destination is specified)
and make the process immune against "SIGHUP" signals 
(usually send when the control terminal is withdrawn).

 > If so, maybe this should be considered a bug in the default setup of the 
 > start script? The start script should start a fully functional Zope, even if 
 > the shell il later closed. In my opinion, at least. :-)
I do not think so.
You have to choose:

  either output to terminal (the default with the "-d"
  (debug) option and without "STUPID_LOG_FILE") and get
  problems when the OS (not Zope) makes the terminal unavailable.

  or has logging infos in a file (without "-d" or with "STUPID_LOG_FILE").

However, this choice may need to be stressed stronger in the
documentation.



Dieter


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Wed May  2 20:24:27 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:24:27 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Webdav - Microsoft Word - Zope
References: <"010502175506Z.WT02289. 67*/PN=Francois-regis.Chalaoux/O=RESEARCH/PRMD=SANOFI/ADMD=ATLAS/C=FR/"@MHS>
Message-ID: <3AF05EEB.11149EF4@kaivo.com>

Francois-regis Chalaoux wrote:
>=20
> Francois-regis Chalaoux
> 30/04/2001 18:45
> Pour :  cduncan@kaivo.com%internet@WTFR
> zope@zope.org
> cc :
>=20
> Objet : R=E9f. : Re: Re'f. : Re: [Zope] Webdav - Microsoft Word - Zope
>=20
> I'd tested the manipulations with users today and We can't write html f=
iles that we put inside Zope via webfolder when we edit them in Word. It'=
s working with '.doc' !!
> What's the difference between this two type of files?
>=20

Is this using the "Save as HTML" option in Word?

--=20
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From alex@quad.com.ar  Wed May  2 20:18:48 2001
From: alex@quad.com.ar (alex)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:18:48 -0300
Subject: [Zope] phpWebEd
References: <F101MW57OUho0V2COPH00002eec@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c0d33d$28bb4040$3d000f0a@alex>

to be honest I didnt try it, just read its description.. but, why do you
want a php script to edit contents on zope? just http://yoursite.com/manage
and do it there!

I understand people using JUST php to use that, since they have NO web based
content management tools at all, but in zope you already do have it... and
built-in.. so why using that?

anyway, I bet those scripts uses filesystem functions like fopen() fread()
fgets() fputs() and would only work only on filesystem, so in case the
script actually runs on zope... it wouldnt be able to edit zope contents..
just filesystem contents.

hmm

just my opinion :)

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephan Goeldi" <stephan_goeldi@hotmail.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:20 AM
Subject: [Zope] phpWebEd


> Hello all
>
> What do you think about phpWebEd on
>
> http://www.nm-service.de/products.html?pid=pwe
>
> Is this usable under Zope?
>
>
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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Wed May  2 20:27:22 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:27:22 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Product Creation and Permission
References: <20010502181402.8059.qmail@nwcst283.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <3AF05F9A.3BE841A@kaivo.com>

Jason Joy wrote:
> 
> Hey there, I have a question regarding the use of permissions in Classes,
> regarding the creation of user-made Products for Zope.
> 
> The product that I have is made from 2 classes, which for this example I will
> call classes A and B.  From the management screen of Class A after you create
> a instance of it in Zope, it shows a list from a external database of
> instances of B.  B does not get into the Zope Database at all.  A's code has
> been modified in the manage_menu system such that it can add and subtract
> instances of B from the external database.  It does this just fine.
> 
> When selecting a instance of B (let's call it C), from the management menu of
> A, I keep getting asked to enter my password and can never get in, eventually
> getting it to say that I don't have permission to manage it or view it.  I
> tried adding:
> 
>         security = ClassSecurityInfo()
>         security.declareObjectPublic()
>         security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
>         security.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1
> 
[snip]

Your last line is close, add the class attribute:

__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1

to the class definition in A. This tells zope to allow access to
subobjects TTW which is prohibited by default.

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Wed May  2 20:30:35 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:30:35 -0600
Subject: [Zope] executing dynamically generated code (eval)?
References: <15088.18474.524084.478544@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <3AF0605B.1C378DE7@kaivo.com>

Dieter Maurer wrote:
> 
> Marcus Schopen writes:
>  > is there a kind of dtml-eval command?
>  >
>  > I'd like to execute dynamicly generated code like:
>  > <dtml-var <dtml-var someting>>.
> Others have answered to your specific request.
> 
> Someone else has had a similar need than you may have.
> And he announced an extension "dtml-eval" in the mailing
> lists. It can be quite dangerous. Of course, it did
> not make it in the Zope core and I never looked at it more
> closely (I would use a special purpose External Method
> for these cases).
> 
> You may find the announcement via the searchable list
> archives.
> 
> Dieter
> 

Actually the dtml-eval tag is not as powerful as its name might suggest.
It merely lets you write Python expressions in a block without quoting.
It uses the same secure expression evaluation machinery as the other
dtml tags.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Wed May  2 20:32:54 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:32:54 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
References: <B715D331.2C083%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3AF060E6.BEFD923C@kaivo.com>

marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> Odd that noone has made a product for audio storage, analogous to Image, so
> I took a crack at it.
> 
> So far it parses MP3 tag data.  Anyone have info on RealAudio tag data?
> Since it's based on File, it'll actually store anything.  But the cool thing
> is, it sucks the ID3 tag data out of the file (if there is any) and puts it
> into properties, so it can be indexed.  You can also edit the data in the
> properties page, and whenever the audio is rendered, the new tag data is
> inserted.
> 
> It should be easy to add stuff to look for WAV and AIFF header info and suck
> that out, since python comes with libraries to do that, but those aren't
> popular web formats so I haven't done it yet.
> 
> It's not CatalogAware, just as Image.... I figured you'd wrap it or whatever
> to do that, but I'm open to suggestions.
> 
> It's the first release, so obviously don't depend on it to launch rockets :)
> 
> Get it here:
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/bowerymarc/Audio
> 

Cool beans! A jump-start on my Zapster site 8^)

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Wed May  2 21:06:13 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:06:13 -0400
Subject: [Zope] SiteAccess and broken manage links
References: <000901c0d2d7$fbfc6e40$c3090740@megapathdsl.net> <00da01c0d31f$ce9ff410$2a01000a@evansys>
Message-ID: <006901c0d343$57021e00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Evan Simpson" <evan@4-am.com>
To: "Jason Cunliffe" <jasonic@nomadicsltd.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] SiteAccess and broken manage links


> From: "Jason Cunliffe" <jasonic@nomadicsltd.com>
> > Zope is reached at http://www.mysite.com/zope
> >
> > ProxyPass /zope http://www.mysite.com:8888/
> 
> You don't mention using a SiteRoot, and you're clearly not using a
> VirtualHostMonster.  Either of these can fix your problem.
> 
> A SiteRoot in your root Folder with blank Base and "zope" as its Path
> should work, although it will muck things up if you try to access the
> site other than through the ProxyPass.

Thanks
..Yes I do have SiteRoot but not a VirtualHostMonster. 

SiteRoot is currently set:
base = http://www.mysite.com/zope
path = /

 
> A VirtualHostMonster in your root Folder will allow you to precisely
> target the problem.  It requires changing the ProxyPass to:
> 
> ProxyPass /zope
> http://www.mysite.com:8888/VirtualHostBase/http/www.mysite.com:80/Virtua
> lHostRoot/_vh_zope

OK I will try that out..
If I use Virtual Host Monster do I still need SiteRoot?

cheers
- Jason




From kyroraz@usa.net  Wed May  2 21:05:31 2001
From: kyroraz@usa.net (Jason Joy)
Date: 2 May 2001 13:05:31 MST
Subject: [Re: [Zope] Product Creation and Permission]
Message-ID: <20010502200531.22140.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net>

> > The product that I have is made from 2 classes, which for this exampl=
e I
will
> > call classes A and B.  From the management screen of Class A after yo=
u
create
> > a instance of it in Zope, it shows a list from a external database of=

> > instances of B.  B does not get into the Zope Database at all.  A's c=
ode
has
> > been modified in the manage_menu system such that it can add and subt=
ract
> > instances of B from the external database.  It does this just fine.
> > =

> > When selecting a instance of B (let's call it C), from the management=
 menu
of
> > A, I keep getting asked to enter my password and can never get in,
eventually
> > getting it to say that I don't have permission to manage it or view i=
t. =

I
> > tried adding:
> > =

> >         security =3D ClassSecurityInfo()
> >         security.declareObjectPublic()
> >         security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
> >         security.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1
> > =

> [snip]
> =

> Your last line is close, add the class attribute:
> =

> __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1
> =

> to the class definition in A. This tells zope to allow access to
> subobjects TTW which is prohibited by default.

I assume you mean like this:

class A(
    OFS.ObjectManager.ObjectManager,
    OFS.PropertyManager.PropertyManager,
    Acquisition.Implicit,
    Persistent,
    AccessControl.Role.RoleManager,
    OFS.SimpleItem.Item,
    ):
    __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1

I also, just for paranoia sake, added it before Class A is defined as wel=
l as
Class B.  =


This is the result of this attempt:

Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. =


Unauthorized

You are not authorized to access this resource.
Username and password are not correct. =


Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 222, =
in
publish_module
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, =
in
publish
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 162, =
in
publish
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/BaseRequest.py, line 4=
60,
in traverse
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py, line =
589,
in unauthorized
Unauthorized: (see above)


Last time I checked, my login worked. :)

Jason

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1


From tpassin@mitretek.org  Wed May  2 21:06:17 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:06:17 -0400
Subject: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
References: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJIEPGCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <002001c0d343$58cad010$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

Marc,

I think many people are uncertain about what you want to get.

1) You can get the "source" of the result page from the browser by using the
"View/Source" menu or its equivalent on various browsers.  This will show
you the HTML that Zope has actually created and returned to the browser.

2) If you want to see the above page as text, rather than as rendered html,
and you want to automatically see it in the browser window, then you have to
change the content-type header from "text/html" (which it normally would be)
to "text/plain".  Some browsers might still render it as html, but chances
are you will see it as text.  To make the change, you modify the RESPONSE
object.  Someone else, please help out with the exact syntax for this, would
you?

3) You can get the Zope "source" by using the Zope management interface.

4) A fourth possibility is that you want some other user, who has no access
to the Zope mangement interface, to get the Zope source page that Zope
calls - as opposed to the results
page that Zope would ***generate***.    I'm not sure how to do that, though
I seem to remember that it's easy for a dtml method.

Which of these  possibilities do you want?  Or is there another alternative
that you want?

Cheers,

Tom P

[Marc Fischer]

>
> I think, thats it, what I am looking for. Your Example works fine so far.
> But my understanding in python I so low, that I am not able change it in
my
> needed way. Perhabs you could tell me how to realize this:
>
> <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> <input type=submit>
> </form>
>
> and show me how to get the source of the result page?! :-)
>




From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May  2 21:12:05 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:12:05 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
References: <B715D331.2C083%marc@bowery.com> <3AF060E6.BEFD923C@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <00fa01c0d344$284d3800$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

I thought about when I saw Apache-MP3, and I was on a mission to make zope
do everything Apache can (I gave up).

My main problem is that serving back a large file through Zope sucks as it
puts the whole thing in memory. Has this been solved since last time I
looked?
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey Duncan" <cduncan@kaivo.com>
To: "marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product


> marc lindahl wrote:
> >
> > Odd that noone has made a product for audio storage, analogous to Image,
so
> > I took a crack at it.
> >
> > So far it parses MP3 tag data.  Anyone have info on RealAudio tag data?
> > Since it's based on File, it'll actually store anything.  But the cool
thing
> > is, it sucks the ID3 tag data out of the file (if there is any) and puts
it
> > into properties, so it can be indexed.  You can also edit the data in
the
> > properties page, and whenever the audio is rendered, the new tag data is
> > inserted.
> >
> > It should be easy to add stuff to look for WAV and AIFF header info and
suck
> > that out, since python comes with libraries to do that, but those aren't
> > popular web formats so I haven't done it yet.
> >
> > It's not CatalogAware, just as Image.... I figured you'd wrap it or
whatever
> > to do that, but I'm open to suggestions.
> >
> > It's the first release, so obviously don't depend on it to launch
rockets :)
> >
> > Get it here:
> >
> > http://www.zope.org/Members/bowerymarc/Audio
> >
>
> Cool beans! A jump-start on my Zapster site 8^)
>
> --
> | Casey Duncan
> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
> `------------------>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



From marc@bowery.com  Wed May  2 21:49:16 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:49:16 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <00fa01c0d344$284d3800$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <B715EB0C.2C0B4%marc@bowery.com>

I don't think it ever did this.  From looking at File, which Image and Audio
are both based on, it has this data type called Pdata().  It uses this
whenever the data size is larger than 2^16 (an arbitrary number buried in
the file).  What that does is, it chops the file into chunks (of, I think,
2^16), and builds a linked list of them.  Then when it stores or retrieves
the file, it only has one chunk in memory at a time.  Same when it renders
it, it writes it out one chunk at a time.  Take a look in OFS/Image.py at
the bottom of the file.

Anyway, memory is cheap :)


> From: "Andy McKay" <andym@ActiveState.com>
> 
> My main problem is that serving back a large file through Zope sucks as it
> puts the whole thing in memory. Has this been solved since last time I
> looked?



From evan@4-am.com  Wed May  2 21:56:22 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 15:56:22 -0500
Subject: [Zope] SiteAccess and broken manage links
References: <000901c0d2d7$fbfc6e40$c3090740@megapathdsl.net> <00da01c0d31f$ce9ff410$2a01000a@evansys> <006901c0d343$57021e00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <01bc01c0d34a$591ac0a0$2a01000a@evansys>

From: "Jason Cunliffe" <jasonic@nomadicsltd.com>
> SiteRoot is currently set:
> base = http://www.mysite.com/zope
> path = /

This should be:
 base = http://www.mysite.com
 path = /zope

> If I use Virtual Host Monster do I still need SiteRoot?

No, if you set up a VHM, you should first remove the SiteRoot.  They
serve the same purpose, but VHM is more flexible.

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From tim@freepm.org  Wed May  2 21:52:10 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:52:10 -0500
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
References: <15088.19756.684962.566778@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <3AF0737A.E0793898@iswt.com>

Dieter Maurer wrote:

> For me, at least, it would be much more helpful, if
> the controlling buttons would be both at top and bottom.
> 

That's one that I'll 'second'. 

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May  2 22:04:10 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:04:10 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
References: <B715EB0C.2C0B4%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <019d01c0d34b$6f514960$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Thanks I'll have a look at that.

> Anyway, memory is cheap :)

Memory is cheap but 20 clients x 20 meg download goes through your memory
pretty quick...

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com>
To: "Andy McKay" <andym@activestate.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product


> I don't think it ever did this.  From looking at File, which Image and
Audio
> are both based on, it has this data type called Pdata().  It uses this
> whenever the data size is larger than 2^16 (an arbitrary number buried in
> the file).  What that does is, it chops the file into chunks (of, I think,
> 2^16), and builds a linked list of them.  Then when it stores or retrieves
> the file, it only has one chunk in memory at a time.  Same when it renders
> it, it writes it out one chunk at a time.  Take a look in OFS/Image.py at
> the bottom of the file.
>
> Anyway, memory is cheap :)
>
>
> > From: "Andy McKay" <andym@ActiveState.com>
> >
> > My main problem is that serving back a large file through Zope sucks as
it
> > puts the whole thing in memory. Has this been solved since last time I
> > looked?
>
>
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From marcbpc@gmx.de  Wed May  2 22:00:44 2001
From: marcbpc@gmx.de (Marc Fischer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 23:00:44 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <002001c0d343$58cad010$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
Message-ID: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJIEPKCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>

> I think many people are uncertain about what you want to get.
>
> 1) You can get the "source" of the result page from the browser
> by using the
> "View/Source" menu or its equivalent on various browsers.  This will show
> you the HTML that Zope has actually created and returned to the browser.
>
> 2) If you want to see the above page as text, rather than as
> rendered html,
> and you want to automatically see it in the browser window, then
> you have to
> change the content-type header from "text/html" (which it
> normally would be)
> to "text/plain".  Some browsers might still render it as html, but chances
> are you will see it as text.  To make the change, you modify the RESPONSE
> object.  Someone else, please help out with the exact syntax for
> this, would
> you?
>
> 3) You can get the Zope "source" by using the Zope management interface.
>
> 4) A fourth possibility is that you want some other user, who has
> no access
> to the Zope mangement interface, to get the Zope source page that Zope
> calls - as opposed to the results
> page that Zope would ***generate***.    I'm not sure how to do
> that, though
> I seem to remember that it's easy for a dtml method.
>
> Which of these  possibilities do you want?  Or is there another
> alternative
> that you want?

:-) Yes, there is an other :-))

Ok, I will try to explain. ... Somewhere in the Web, there is a Website, out
of the world of zope:-), that provides a form with a submit button. this
form passes some arguments with the syntax:
<input type="hidden" name="x" value="y"> ...

If you klick on submit button, you get displayed some pictures. so far so
good ...

I want to create a zope application, that automatically gets the source of
this result page, extracts the urls of the picutres and finally uploads
these pictures into my zopeserver.

The problem is, that it is not possible to pass the variables in the url
like this:
http://server/index.html?x=y.

So I am looking for a way of being able to handle the source code of this
result. Extraction of the urls is not a problem.

Thanks for your interest ...

Marc





From tanepiper@hotmail.com  Wed May  2 23:14:18 2001
From: tanepiper@hotmail.com (Tane Piper)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 00:14:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Anounce: Zope Geeks dot Org
Message-ID: <OE26RKLpgTFur2iz2Mb00007082@hotmail.com>

Hi there everyone,

Not trully satisfied with the current zope sites out there, and needing a
home for my upcoming zope projects, I have started www.zopegeeks.org
(currently at http://tanepiper.zopesite.com/squishdot/ until the domain name
propigates).

It will be located on Zopesite for the meantime, until I sort out hosting of
my own.

The two projects I will be focusing on will be:

ZGeeklog is the Zope port of Geeklog, a PHP based weblog and portal system.
(I wanted to call it Zopelog, but that was taken!)

ZBB is a Bulletin Board system, similar to Ultimate Bulletin Board, PHPBB
and other similar systems.

Now, I have no timeframe for either of these projects, they will be started
and finished when I am ready (read: not too busy). Any
comments/suggestions/ideas are welcome.

Tane Piper
Lead Designer - ZZICT Entertainment
http://www.zzict.nl




From maxmcorp@worldonline.dk  Wed May  2 23:21:37 2001
From: maxmcorp@worldonline.dk (Max M)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 00:21:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.1 Catalog is there a bad bug in this?
Message-ID: <GPEEKBGENEOONHLCPNLPAELBDMAA.maxmcorp@worldonline.dk>

I have upgraded Zope from an older version to 2.3.1 and I get this error
when searching for a known item::

Error Type: KeyError
Error Value: 43

It comes when using the code::

<dtml-var "Catalog.getpath(data_record_id_)">

Is this due to a Catalog bug in 2.3.1 ???

(I'd rather want to avoid upgrading to 2.3.2 as I have to travel to get to
the site with the installation.)

Regards Max M

Max M. W. Rasmussen,    Denmark.   New Media Director
private: maxmcorp@worldonline.dk work: maxm@normik.dk
-----------------------------------------------------
Shipping software is an unnatural act



From tpassin@mitretek.org  Wed May  2 23:21:45 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:21:45 -0400
Subject: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
References: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJIEPKCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <006101c0d356$459b55b0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Marc Fischer]

> Ok, I will try to explain. ... Somewhere in the Web, there is a Website,
out
> of the world of zope:-), that provides a form with a submit button. this
> form passes some arguments with the syntax:
> <input type="hidden" name="x" value="y"> ...
>
> If you klick on submit button, you get displayed some pictures. so far so
> good ...
>
> I want to create a zope application, that automatically gets the source of
> this result page, extracts the urls of the picutres and finally uploads
> these pictures into my zopeserver.

[Tom]
You mean, you have a web page hosted in Zope, you click a button or
something on it, and the pictures end up in Zope with no more human actions?

[Marc]
>
> The problem is, that it is not possible to pass the variables in the url
> like this:
> http://server/index.html?x=y.
>
>
[Tom]
I don't know what you mean here, why can't you include the variables in the
url?  Where would you like to include the variables but find it can't be
done?

[Marc]
> So I am looking for a way of being able to handle the source code of this
> result. Extraction of the urls is not a problem.
>
[Tom]
Do you want to do this for a single site that always sends the same html, or
a range of sites that are similar but not identical?

I would think about using an External Method.  That would let you use the
Python httplib library.  With httplib , you could get the form by issuing an
HTTP GET command on the remote server.  Then you could use the form to build
the right url (including the "?x=y"), and then issue another GET on that
url. This would get you the html for the page - that is the source you asked
for - from which you could extract all the image urls.  This wouldn't work
if the form runs some javascript to set its variables, though, since your
Python program wouldn't be able to figure out what the javascript was doing.

Alternatively, if the form you want has a name assigned to the form element
(or even if you knew its position among all the forms on the page), you
could create a browser window with two frames and load the form into one of
them.  From the other one, using Javascript, you could cause the form to
load the page that has the pictures.  Then, again with javascript, you could
walk through its images array and get all the urls.  Then you could load
these urls into form variables and, using javascript, send the form with the
pictures' urls to Zope.  From there, it ought to be possible to get Zope to
upload the pictures.

If you were clever with the design, you could get your page to do this on a
list of sites, or on a list of picture selections.

I think this would be feasible using either Netscape or Internet Explorer,
but certainly with IE.

We're talking about a lot of work experimenting and developing, though, if
you don't know these techniques already.  How many images do you want to
capture?  Maybe it would be faster to do them by hand, one at a time.

Cheers,

Tom P



From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May  2 23:34:50 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 15:34:50 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Anounce: Zope Geeks dot Org
References: <OE26RKLpgTFur2iz2Mb00007082@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <025701c0d358$19abdbd0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

I'll try not to take it personally ;P Good luck...

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tane Piper" <tanepiper@hotmail.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>; <zope-web@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:14 PM
Subject: [Zope] Anounce: Zope Geeks dot Org


> Hi there everyone,
>
> Not trully satisfied with the current zope sites out there, and needing a
> home for my upcoming zope projects, I have started www.zopegeeks.org
> (currently at http://tanepiper.zopesite.com/squishdot/ until the domain
name
> propigates).
>
> It will be located on Zopesite for the meantime, until I sort out hosting
of
> my own.
>
> The two projects I will be focusing on will be:
>
> ZGeeklog is the Zope port of Geeklog, a PHP based weblog and portal
system.
> (I wanted to call it Zopelog, but that was taken!)
>
> ZBB is a Bulletin Board system, similar to Ultimate Bulletin Board, PHPBB
> and other similar systems.
>
> Now, I have no timeframe for either of these projects, they will be
started
> and finished when I am ready (read: not too busy). Any
> comments/suggestions/ideas are welcome.
>
> Tane Piper
> Lead Designer - ZZICT Entertainment
> http://www.zzict.nl
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May  2 23:45:54 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:45:54 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.1 Catalog is there a bad bug in this?
References: <GPEEKBGENEOONHLCPNLPAELBDMAA.maxmcorp@worldonline.dk>
Message-ID: <3AF08E22.6D0FAAB0@digicool.com>

Hi Max,

I don't know what version you upgraded to, but doing an "Update Catalog"
on the Advanced tab should rid your Catalog of this problem.  The state
in older catalogs is an unknown, and doing this puts all the moons in
the right order.

HTH,

- C


Max M wrote:
> 
> I have upgraded Zope from an older version to 2.3.1 and I get this error
> when searching for a known item::
> 
> Error Type: KeyError
> Error Value: 43
> 
> It comes when using the code::
> 
> <dtml-var "Catalog.getpath(data_record_id_)">
> 
> Is this due to a Catalog bug in 2.3.1 ???
> 
> (I'd rather want to avoid upgrading to 2.3.2 as I have to travel to get to
> the site with the installation.)
> 
> Regards Max M
> 
> Max M. W. Rasmussen,    Denmark.   New Media Director
> private: maxmcorp@worldonline.dk work: maxm@normik.dk
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Shipping software is an unnatural act
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From itai@optusnet.com.au  Wed May  2 23:51:35 2001
From: itai@optusnet.com.au (Itai Tavor)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:51:35 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Re [Zope]: Punished for upgrading to 2.3.2: ZPatterns
 broke
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0105022040210.16803-100000@js.aixtraware.de>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0105022040210.16803-100000@js.aixtraware.de>
Message-ID: <p05010404b7163cc59922@[10.0.1.17]>

Hi Joachim,

Thanks for reminding me of this post... I did see it but I understood 
it to mean that the current ZPatterns won't benefit from the improved 
BTrees , not that it would break it completely...

Itai


Joachim Schmitz wrote:

>Hi Itai,
>
>I remember that there was some discussion about ZPatterns and the new BTree
>implementation on this list during the betaphase of 2.3.2.
>by searching the mail archive for ZPatterns AND BTree I found:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zope/message/58841
>
>hope that helps.
>
>On Wed, 2 May 2001, Itai Tavor wrote:
>
>>  Itai Tavor (me) wrote:
>>
>>  >Hi,
>>  >
>>  >I shut down a Zope instance using Zope 2.3.1, and started it again
>>  >with 2.3.2. When I tried to access objects on a rack, I got an
>>  >AttributeError: _setRack. I went back to 2.3.1, but I still get the
>>  >same error.
>>  >
>>  >Ok, I can take a hint. Somebody doesn't want me to use Zope 2.3.2.
>>  >All right, I won't. But my project is still hosed. So now I got to
>>  >restore a backup and lose a day's work.
>>  >
>>  >Is anyone else aware of upgrde problems with ZPatterns?
>>  >
>>  >Itai
>>
>>  Ok, there seems to be something very wrong with ZPatterns in 2.3.2.
>>  I've recreated all the Racks from scratch, got them to work, filled
>>  them with data. Then I restarted Zope, and the _setRack problem
>>  returned. Just to keep it interesting, though, it happens with just 2
>>  out of 4 racks in this application.
>>
>>  At the moment, any work I do on this project is a waste of time.
>>  Someone please tell me what's going on here.
>>
>>  TIA
>>
>  > Itai
-- 
--
Itai Tavor                      -- "Je sautille, donc je suis."    --
itai@optusnet.com.au            --               - Kermit the Frog --
-- 'Supposing a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?' --
-- 'Supposing it didn't,' said Pooh after careful thought.         --



From augusto@artlover.com  Thu May  3 00:02:22 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:02:22 -0500
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
References: <15088.19756.684962.566778@lindm.dm> <3AF0737A.E0793898@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <3AF091FE.E6039A51@artlover.com>

I've made very minor changes to my interface dtmls in order to reduce clicks
when using Zope, all of them easy to implement. They are: 

- Full screen dtml editing window (with IE for PC), 
- Printer version dtml window, 
- "view" opening a new window
- Pull-down menus to browse other editable objects while at the edit or
  properties window (without the need to click back to the main directory 
  window every time)
- Images rendered at the very directory list, when wanted.
- Images rendered at the edit and properties pages, all the time.
- Thiner directory row lines, smaller font sizes of the rows content and form
  objects, and of course, control buttons also on top.

These are easy things to do, and they do help to reduce unnecessary clicks,
right clicks and scrolling. Hope that some of them were considered for the next
version of Zope.


Ausum




Tim Cook wrote:
> 
> Dieter Maurer wrote:
> 
> > For me, at least, it would be much more helpful, if
> > the controlling buttons would be both at top and bottom.
> >
> 
> That's one that I'll 'second'.
> 
> --
> Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc.
> http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
> ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From muldrow@mac.com  Wed May  2 20:05:42 2001
From: muldrow@mac.com (Chris Muldrow)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:05:42 +0000
Subject: [Zope] Browser sniffing for wireless devices
Message-ID: <B7160B05.29A8%muldrow@mac.com>

Anyone doing browser sniffing with Zope to determine whether a user is
coming in with and HDML or WML-enabled phone? I've got some leads on this,
but I REALLY don't want to have to check for every USER_AGENT available. Is
there a good way to check and see A) if it's a WML device B) If not, if it's
an HDML device C) If it's not, is it an HTML device?

AND another wireless Zope conundrum. I'm serving some HDML pages from Zope.
When I feed a Content-Type: text/x-hdml with the page, it doesn't show up on
my Verizon Motorola 2260 phone. When I don't send the content-type, it does
show up. The opposite is true on the Phone.com SDK phone browser--without a
content-type, it chokes, but with a content type, it works. Any
enlightenment?

Thankee! 
-- Chris Muldrow, muldrow@mac.com




From itai@optusnet.com.au  Thu May  3 00:16:00 2001
From: itai@optusnet.com.au (Itai Tavor)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:16:00 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Run Zope under nobody or real user?
Message-ID: <p05010405b71644f98697@[10.0.1.17]>

Hi,

Can anyone explain the advantages (if any) of running Zope under a 
real user instead of under nobody?

TIA, Itai
-- 
--
Itai Tavor                      -- "Je sautille, donc je suis."    --
itai@optusnet.com.au            --               - Kermit the Frog --
-- 'Supposing a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?' --
-- 'Supposing it didn't,' said Pooh after careful thought.         --



From jason_zope@yahoo.com  Thu May  3 02:01:24 2001
From: jason_zope@yahoo.com (Jason Byron)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:01:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] TUX and Zope? + ab results
Message-ID: <20010503010124.21782.qmail@web4605.mail.yahoo.com>

This may sound silly, but do you think it would be
feasably to get some more speed out of Zope by 
combining it with TUX (the linux kernel based web
server) ?  Maybe build the python interpreter into 
it ?

I know, speed isn't important, abstraction is better,
yada yada yada.  It's just totally cool to see results
like this, and I want to make Zope as cool as 
possible.


1000 requests, 100 at a time

TUX       2898.55 Requests per second
AOLserver  603.14 Requests per second
Apache     502.51 Requests per second
Zope        60.57 Requests per second

bear in mind this is my piece of crap celery 700
with 128Megs RAM






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From marc@bowery.com  Thu May  3 02:09:10 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:09:10 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
In-Reply-To: <3AF091FE.E6039A51@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <B71627F6.2C0FE%marc@bowery.com>

Maybe you can post them somewhere?

> From: Ausum <augusto@artlover.com>
> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:02:22 -0500
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
> 
> I've made very minor changes to my interface dtmls in order to reduce clicks
> when using Zope, all of them easy to implement. They are:
> 
> - Full screen dtml editing window (with IE for PC),
> - Printer version dtml window,
> - "view" opening a new window
> - Pull-down menus to browse other editable objects while at the edit or
> properties window (without the need to click back to the main directory
> window every time)
> - Images rendered at the very directory list, when wanted.
> - Images rendered at the edit and properties pages, all the time.
> - Thiner directory row lines, smaller font sizes of the rows content and form
> objects, and of course, control buttons also on top.
> 
> These are easy things to do, and they do help to reduce unnecessary clicks,
> right clicks and scrolling. Hope that some of them were considered for the
> next
> version of Zope.
> 
> 
> Ausum
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Cook wrote:
>> 
>> Dieter Maurer wrote:
>> 
>>> For me, at least, it would be much more helpful, if
>>> the controlling buttons would be both at top and bottom.
>>> 
>> 
>> That's one that I'll 'second'.
>> 
>> --
>> Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc.
>> http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
>> ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>> (Related lists -
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From marc@bowery.com  Thu May  3 02:10:39 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:10:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Run Zope under nobody or real user?
In-Reply-To: <p05010405b71644f98697@[10.0.1.17]>
Message-ID: <B716284E.2C100%marc@bowery.com>

Then you can log on as that user, it makes upgrading via FPT and SSH/telnet
so easy!  All the permissions are set correctly.

> From: Itai Tavor <itai@optusnet.com.au>
> Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:16:00 +1000
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Run Zope under nobody or real user?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone explain the advantages (if any) of running Zope under a
> real user instead of under nobody?
> 
> TIA, Itai
> -- 
> --
> Itai Tavor                      -- "Je sautille, donc je suis."    --
> itai@optusnet.com.au            --               - Kermit the Frog --
> -- 'Supposing a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?' --
> -- 'Supposing it didn't,' said Pooh after careful thought.         --
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
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From bill@libc.org  Thu May  3 02:14:11 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 02 May 2001 19:14:11 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <B715D331.2C083%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <E14v7iR-0001KJ-00@mail.python.org>

On 02 May 2001 15:07:29 -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
> Odd that noone has made a product for audio storage, analogous to Image, so
> I took a crack at it.
...
> It's not CatalogAware, just as Image.... I figured you'd wrap it or whatever
> to do that, but I'm open to suggestions.



How about a version based on ExtImage, for storing ithe big datafile
outside of the ZODB?

:)

/me thinks many, many people would be up for that version!

Bill




From marc@bowery.com  Thu May  3 02:18:19 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:18:19 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <019d01c0d34b$6f514960$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <B7162A1A.2C10B%marc@bowery.com>

Thing is, any of the external file products will have to suck the whole file
into a python object first, or do what File does and mete it out in chunks,
so it's really the same deal.  Same if you used an SQL backend or whatever,
as long is it's going thru Zope.  The only workaround would be to have
abjects that passed absolute URLs which a different webserver, like apache,
would then actually send out to the user.


> 
>> Anyway, memory is cheap :)
> 
> Memory is cheap but 20 clients x 20 meg download goes through your memory
> pretty quick...



From Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com  Thu May  3 02:18:39 2001
From: Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:18:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope] TUX and Zope? + ab results
References: <20010503010124.21782.qmail@web4605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02d701c0d36e$fd037760$d0063bd0@SUXLAP>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Byron" <jason_zope@yahoo.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:01 PM
Subject: [Zope] TUX and Zope? + ab results


> This may sound silly, but do you think it would be
> feasably to get some more speed out of Zope by 
> combining it with TUX (the linux kernel based web
> server) ?  Maybe build the python interpreter into 
> it ?

Nope, nice idea but this makes no sense. TUX is highly optimized for 
delivering static page and only runs on Linux as long as I know. 
> 
> 1000 requests, 100 at a time
> 
> TUX       2898.55 Requests per second
> AOLserver  603.14 Requests per second
> Apache     502.51 Requests per second
> Zope        60.57 Requests per second


The numbers sound reasonable. About one year ago I made similiar
benchmark detecting that Zope is about 10 times slower when 
delivering static objects.

Andreas



From marc@bowery.com  Thu May  3 02:35:00 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:35:00 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <E14v7iR-0001KJ-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <B7162E04.2C11B%marc@bowery.com>

Well, someone would have to convince me that's a good idea.  So far, I think
ZODB is the place to keep 'em.

Of course, it's open source, someone could adapt it to ExtFile or LocalFS...

> From: Bill Anderson <bill@libc.org>
> Date: 02 May 2001 19:14:11 -0600
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
> 
> On 02 May 2001 15:07:29 -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
>> Odd that noone has made a product for audio storage, analogous to Image, so
>> I took a crack at it.
> ...
>> It's not CatalogAware, just as Image.... I figured you'd wrap it or whatever
>> to do that, but I'm open to suggestions.
> 
> 
> 
> How about a version based on ExtImage, for storing ithe big datafile
> outside of the ZODB?
> 
> :)
> 
> /me thinks many, many people would be up for that version!
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From itai@optusnet.com.au  Thu May  3 02:37:20 2001
From: itai@optusnet.com.au (Itai Tavor)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:37:20 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Run Zope under nobody or real user?
In-Reply-To: <B716284E.2C100%marc@bowery.com>
References: <B716284E.2C100%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <p05010406b716654a1e49@[10.0.1.17]>

Yeah, this is an advantage... in this case, I could just run it as 
myself. But isn't this a security risk? If anyone gets my password, 
they get full access to the server. If zope is running under user 
'zope' who is not allowed to log in, you'd need to manage to become 
root to do any damage - which is the same as when zope is running 
under nobody.

That's what I imagined people are doing - using a user who does not log in.

marc lindahl wrote:

>Then you can log on as that user, it makes upgrading via FPT and SSH/telnet
>so easy!  All the permissions are set correctly.
>
>  > From: Itai Tavor <itai@optusnet.com.au>
>>  Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:16:00 +1000
>>  To: zope@zope.org
>>  Subject: [Zope] Run Zope under nobody or real user?
>  >
>>  Hi,
>>
>>  Can anyone explain the advantages (if any) of running Zope under a
>>  real user instead of under nobody?
>>
>  > TIA, Itai
-- 
--
Itai Tavor                      -- "Je sautille, donc je suis."    --
itai@optusnet.com.au            --               - Kermit the Frog --
-- 'Supposing a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?' --
-- 'Supposing it didn't,' said Pooh after careful thought.         --



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Thu May  3 02:44:51 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:44:51 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Run Zope under nobody or real user?
References: <p05010405b71644f98697@[10.0.1.17]>
Message-ID: <018b01c0d372$a5564200$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

> Can anyone explain the advantages (if any) of running Zope under a
> real user instead of under nobody?

A really great How-to which discusses hand-on the why and wherefor of root
vs. user vs. nobody Zope is:

http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/HowTos/HowTos/zopeinstall/ZOPE-INSTALL-HO
WTO

It made me want to do a fresh install __properly__ as described.[thanks]

- Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May  3 02:47:44 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:47:44 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
References: <B7162E04.2C11B%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <004401c0d373$0e2f3b10$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Somehow keeping large static files in the ZODB just doesnt seem to gel for
me.

I know it fits the lots of reads / few writes model, put somehow making my
Data.fs bloat on account of mp3's seems wrong. I would (in fact do
http://www.agmweb.ca/agmweb/dna/dan) put my mp3's on the file system through
LocalFS. Makes my ZODB much smaller and happier.

Plus I have them on the file system for other uses (like listening to them),

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com>
To: "Bill Anderson" <bill@libc.org>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product


> Well, someone would have to convince me that's a good idea.  So far, I
think
> ZODB is the place to keep 'em.
>
> Of course, it's open source, someone could adapt it to ExtFile or
LocalFS...
>
> > From: Bill Anderson <bill@libc.org>
> > Date: 02 May 2001 19:14:11 -0600
> > To: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
> >
> > On 02 May 2001 15:07:29 -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
> >> Odd that noone has made a product for audio storage, analogous to
Image, so
> >> I took a crack at it.
> > ...
> >> It's not CatalogAware, just as Image.... I figured you'd wrap it or
whatever
> >> to do that, but I'm open to suggestions.
> >
> >
> >
> > How about a version based on ExtImage, for storing ithe big datafile
> > outside of the ZODB?
> >
> > :)
> >
> > /me thinks many, many people would be up for that version!
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From marc@bowery.com  Thu May  3 02:48:29 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:48:29 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Run Zope under nobody or real user?
In-Reply-To: <p05010406b716654a1e49@[10.0.1.17]>
Message-ID: <B716312D.2C125%marc@bowery.com>

Well, what I did was, make a user zope, who's home directory is
/usr/local/zope, then put zope there.  Made the user zope have the same
security as the user 'nobody', except allowed logins.  'Nobody' can't do
much, neither could 'zope' in this way.

Using proftpd, and SSH, you can limit the login, for example, to only
certain IP addresses, which would limit the exposure.  Or, you could run
those services on a wierd port number, and so on.  Typical security stuff,
should be worked in with overall security scheme.

> From: Itai Tavor <itai@optusnet.com.au>
> 
> Yeah, this is an advantage... in this case, I could just run it as
> myself. But isn't this a security risk? If anyone gets my password,
> they get full access to the server. If zope is running under user
> 'zope' who is not allowed to log in, you'd need to manage to become
> root to do any damage - which is the same as when zope is running
> under nobody.
> 
> That's what I imagined people are doing - using a user who does not log in.
> 
> marc lindahl wrote:



From marc@bowery.com  Thu May  3 02:53:21 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:53:21 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <004401c0d373$0e2f3b10$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <B7163251.2C126%marc@bowery.com>

I don't see how a smaller ZODB is a happier ZODB.... ?
Keeping them in ZODB makes your site alot easier to back up!
And, they take up basically the same amount of disk space on the FS or in
the ZODB.  If you use BTreeFolders, you could store 1000's of them in one
folder (if that makes sense for you)... depending on your file system, that
might be a problem on the FS.

> From: "Andy McKay" <andym@ActiveState.com>
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:47:44 -0700
> To: "marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com>, "Bill Anderson" <bill@libc.org>,
> <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
> 
> Somehow keeping large static files in the ZODB just doesnt seem to gel for
> me.
> 
> I know it fits the lots of reads / few writes model, put somehow making my
> Data.fs bloat on account of mp3's seems wrong. I would (in fact do
> http://www.agmweb.ca/agmweb/dna/dan) put my mp3's on the file system through
> LocalFS. Makes my ZODB much smaller and happier.
> 
> Plus I have them on the file system for other uses (like listening to them),
> 
> Cheers.
> --
> Andy McKay.



From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May  3 03:13:13 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:13:13 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
References: <B7163251.2C126%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c0d376$9b455db0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> I don't see how a smaller ZODB is a happier ZODB.... ?

Smaller = faster to start / stop. Although a lot of that is based on getting
an index for each object. I've hit the 2gb limit a few times, so I try to be
careful.

We'll just agree to disagree on the rest. Also we are looking at different
usage for Zope, mine is more flexible and personal use.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.



From itai@optusnet.com.au  Thu May  3 03:27:09 2001
From: itai@optusnet.com.au (Itai Tavor)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:27:09 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Run Zope under nobody or real user?
In-Reply-To: <018b01c0d372$a5564200$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
References: <p05010405b71644f98697@[10.0.1.17]>
 <018b01c0d372$a5564200$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <p05010407b7167173f9af@[10.0.1.17]>

Jason Cunliffe wrote:

>  > Can anyone explain the advantages (if any) of running Zope under a
>>  real user instead of under nobody?
>
>A really great How-to which discusses hand-on the why and wherefor of root
>vs. user vs. nobody Zope is:
>
>http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/HowTos/HowTos/zopeinstall/ZOPE-INSTALL-HO
>WTO
>
>It made me want to do a fresh install __properly__ as described.[thanks]
>
>- Jason

Thanks! The setup suggested in the howto does seem very good, think 
I'll adopt it.
-- 
--
Itai Tavor                      -- "Je sautille, donc je suis."    --
itai@optusnet.com.au            --               - Kermit the Frog --
-- 'Supposing a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?' --
-- 'Supposing it didn't,' said Pooh after careful thought.         --



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Thu May  3 03:53:33 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:53:33 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Out of the Box = ZopeApplianceWorld
Message-ID: <02b701c0d37c$3e6e5f00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

Hello

I am very interesting in gathering info on Web Appliances, and any network
savvy devices which could play well with Zope.

One example:

SitePlayer
http://www.siteplayer.com/
<quote>
SitePlayer, the World's smallest Ethernet web server. The first product in a
family of embedded web servers designed to enable any microprocessor-based
device to become web enabled easily and inexpensively.

In approximately one square inch, SitePlayer includes a web server, 10baseT
Ethernet controller, flash web page memory, graphical object processor, and
a serial device interface.

SitePlayer developer kit is $99.95.
SitePlayer modules are :
$49.95 in 1-9 QTY,
$19.95 in 100000-999,999 QTY
Includes software licensing fees. For high volume or surface mount
applications, SitePlayer chip sets are available.
</quote>

Going further, If there is interest I will set up a collborative Zope site
for posting news, reviews, brainstorming, & pursing scenarios and how-to
using embedded devices, media i/o, Zope design strategy for creative in- and
out-of-the-box Zope-based applications.

- Set-Top [Embedded] Box Zope
- Webphone Zope
- Embedded Zope
- Zope for Transport
- Medical Zope
- Zope for Artists
- Zope Web Mapping
- Zope for Schools
- Urban Zope
- Bodega Zope
- Zope for Restaurants
- ZopeCams
- LargeScreenZope
- Zope at the Airport[Train/Bus/FerryStation]
- etc

Instead of getting bogged down answering the question "What is Zope?", I
suggest "What can people do with Zope?". I am particularly interested in
public and community applications, including art and media related. There is
so much great Zope development work taking place, but the broader context of
web applications, why/how seems to have lost some spark. Wher do we go from
here..? I natturally want to play to Zope strengths: free, cross-platform,
TTW, openSource, etc. Discussing ideas will also bring out where Zope is
lacking or ill-suited.


..interested?

- JASON
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From bill@libc.org  Thu May  3 03:44:46 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 02 May 2001 20:44:46 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <B7162E04.2C11B%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <E14v99I-0006Ih-00@mail.python.org>

On 02 May 2001 21:35:00 -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
> Well, someone would have to convince me that's a good idea.  So far, I think
> ZODB is the place to keep 'em.

o Well, consider the effect on the ZODB.

o Some people are still (dare i say many?) running on a system that has
a 2Gb limit on filesize.

o A large ZODB _can_ cause problems when you need it back it up, or
restore it

o Consider the problems involved with a large ZODB when starting up and
shutting down 
   I have an N-Class HPUX beastie that has a 362+MB ZODb, it refuses to
pack, and takes a while to start up. 
   Memory is not an issue, believe me, I have several gigs of that
untouched yet. yet it still takes an unacceptable
   amountof time to strart up.

o Consider the problem of someone uploading a diferent (perhaps improved
mp3)  file. Now, until you pack past this change, 
   you have _two_ copies of the data. Actually, I believe that even if
only some metadata is changed, you get another copy.
   This.   Gets.   Ugly.   Fast.

o Consider the ZSP that would much rather have the data stored in the FS
where they can keep better track of it (and 
   use quotas perhaps)

o Consider the possibility of having the file sitting on the OS's file
system, available for outbound-ftp through 
   non-zope means, or local system use (for. those who would use it on
their local machine as an MP3 organizer)
   or for an audio-streamer program, such as icecast or shoutcast, to
stream them out


Just some things to consider. ;^)~

Bill




From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Thu May  3 04:02:12 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 23:02:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope] SiteAccess and broken manage links
References: <000901c0d2d7$fbfc6e40$c3090740@megapathdsl.net> <00da01c0d31f$ce9ff410$2a01000a@evansys> <006901c0d343$57021e00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net> <01bc01c0d34a$591ac0a0$2a01000a@evansys>
Message-ID: <031001c0d37d$73845900$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

From: "Evan Simpson" <evan@4-am.com>
> > SiteRoot is currently set:
> > base = http://www.mysite.com/zope
> > path = /
> 
> This should be:
>  base = http://www.mysite.com
>  path = /zope

aahh YES! bingo ---> thanks very much++

> > If I use Virtual Host Monster do I still need SiteRoot?
> 
> No, if you set up a VHM, you should first remove the SiteRoot.  They
> serve the same purpose, but VHM is more flexible.

OK will do.. :-)

cheers
./JASON
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From marc@bowery.com  Thu May  3 04:13:01 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:13:01 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <E14v99I-0006Ih-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <B71644FC.2C13E%marc@bowery.com>

This is a very necessary discussion, methinks... there's been bits of
threads, but I don't think enough.

> From: Bill Anderson <bill@libc.org>
> 
> o Some people are still (dare i say many?) running on a system that has
> a 2Gb limit on filesize.

OK, they can try this:
http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/PartitionedFileStorage

> 
> o A large ZODB _can_ cause problems when you need it back it up, or
> restore it

how, more than a large bunch of files in a directory tree?  Either way,
typical backup software splits for CD burning, multiple tapes, etc.

> 
> o Consider the problems involved with a large ZODB when starting up and
> shutting down 
> I have an N-Class HPUX beastie that has a 362+MB ZODb, it refuses to
> pack, and takes a while to start up.

What do you mean, it refuses to pack?  It gives an error or something?

> Memory is not an issue, believe me, I have several gigs of that
> untouched yet. yet it still takes an unacceptable
> amountof time to strart up.

Several gigs of RAM?  Cool!  Maybe someone from DC can detail what goes on
at startup that might take alot of time.

I guess, this is important for a desktop machine, that you turn on every day
-- for a server that's always on, no big deal, right?

> o Consider the problem of someone uploading a diferent (perhaps improved
> mp3)  file. Now, until you pack past this change,
> you have _two_ copies of the data. Actually, I believe that even if
> only some metadata is changed, you get another copy.
> This.   Gets.   Ugly.   Fast.

Actually, this could be a good thing.  What if the 'improved' version is
broken somehow?  Or the meta data was in error?  'Undo'!

Also, importantly, version control!

If you're talking about a site like MP3.COM where you have lots of people
uploading their own stuff, then you might have a problem with packing, with
mp3's, images, other stuff.  What to do about it?  A couple of ideas come to
mind:  pack often, like every day, or use the packless database and forgo
the feature, or ...?

I'm aiming at uploading of audio as something with a little more control
(like a review process), so having 1000 versions of the same file unpacked
isn't an issue, and the versioning is important.

> 
> o Consider the ZSP that would much rather have the data stored in the FS
> where they can keep better track of it (and
> use quotas perhaps)

If they're in linux, they could quota the data.fs, no difference there...  I
don't know that they should be monitoring your files in either case, should
they?

> 
> o Consider the possibility of having the file sitting on the OS's file
> system, available for outbound-ftp through
> non-zope means, or local system use (for. those who would use it on
> their local machine as an MP3 organizer)
> or for an audio-streamer program, such as icecast or shoutcast, to
> stream them out

These are the important use cases I see for external storage.  Though, as
far as icecast goes, someone should beat that code into a Product, it would
be great to have streaming built in to zope!




From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May  3 04:26:37 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:26:37 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
References: <B71644FC.2C13E%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <000501c0d380$dcd93170$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> > Memory is not an issue, believe me, I have several gigs of that
> > untouched yet. yet it still takes an unacceptable
> > amountof time to strart up.
>
> Several gigs of RAM?  Cool!  Maybe someone from DC can detail what goes on
> at startup that might take alot of time.

When you start a ZODB up, an index is built of every object inside the ZODB
so it that can call it again later, effectively it reads through the entire
DB. This also removes any corrupted or broken objects on the ZODB. This is
directly related then to the number of objects and hence size. When this
starts getting signifcant depends on many factors.

Ive had 1 gig db's and found them a pain to work with from this point of
view. But Ive never had a corrupted database I couldnt get into. That is
good.

Shane Hathaways Refresh product really helped there though :)

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.



From marc@bowery.com  Thu May  3 04:31:51 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:31:51 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <000501c0d380$dcd93170$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <B7164966.2C146%marc@bowery.com>

BTW, there's a product called RadioFreePete that has stuff to scan your disk
for MP3s, make playlists, and control icecast...



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Thu May  3 06:40:15 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 01:40:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Virtual HostMonster article
References: <000901c0d2d7$fbfc6e40$c3090740@megapathdsl.net> <00da01c0d31f$ce9ff410$2a01000a@evansys> <006901c0d343$57021e00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net> <01bc01c0d34a$591ac0a0$2a01000a@evansys> <031001c0d37d$73845900$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <036701c0d393$886138a0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

FYI: After an educational but mysterious search for information about
Virtual Host Monster, I just came across this very practical article:

http://twsite.bizland.com/twzop0015.htm

Would anyone care to comment on the advice given?
[..good bad ugly brilliant .. ymmv??]


./Jason



From jwm@plain.co.nz  Thu May  3 06:36:13 2001
From: jwm@plain.co.nz (John Morton)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:36:13 +1200
Subject: [Zope] TUX and Zope? + ab results
In-Reply-To: <20010503010124.21782.qmail@web4605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20010503010124.21782.qmail@web4605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01050317361300.08725@antares>

On Thursday 03 May 2001 13:01, Jason Byron wrote:
>  This may sound silly, but do you think it would be
>  feasably to get some more speed out of Zope by
>  combining it with TUX (the linux kernel based web
>  server) ?  Maybe build the python interpreter into
>  it ?

TUX is a linux only thing ATM, so any integration of the two
would have to be some sort of add on to a vanila zope.

> TUX       2898.55 Requests per second
> AOLserver  603.14 Requests per second
> Apache     502.51 Requests per second
> Zope        60.57 Requests per second

There are important reasons why the figures are so different. In
the case of TUX, the kernel server tries to do as little work as possible
to translate a request into data flying out the NIC. Zope, on the other h=
and,
at the very least checks to see if the requester has permisson to access =
that
object, and often looks after other things like acquisition, setting cach=
ing=20
headers and obviously executing content generating code.

The easiest way for Zope to take advantage of TUX would be to have a TUX =
based
caching reverse proxy sit in front of the Zope server. All of the images =
and=20
other static content window dressing for the site which will always be se=
rved=20
up to everybody can have cache TTLs set so they quickly end up in the pro=
xy,=20
which can serve them up as fast as they can go.

If you still want to crank more speed out of zope, the next thing to do w=
ould=20
be to profile the steps needed to serve up requests for static content wh=
ere=20
having a permission system matters, and look into optimizing that.

John



From malcolm.box@symbian.com  Thu May  3 06:50:11 2001
From: malcolm.box@symbian.com (Malcolm Box)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:50:11 +0900
Subject: [Zope] Making users work
References: <B7156CE5.1F35%jens@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3AF0F193.55F4EF9F@symbian.com>

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Jens,

Thanks for the pointer to the userfolders.

I have already looked at these,  but my questions is perhaps a level higher (or my
understanding a level lower).  Given a userfolder installed, I don't see how to link
up my site to it, so that only posting is restricted and the authentication is via a
webform rather than the default HTTP authentication.

Any pointers/DTML-snippets in those areas welcome.

Regards,

Malcolm

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

> malcolm,
>
> there are user folders that can talk to windoze, you might want to look at
> this product:
>
> http://www.zope.org/Members/jephte/jcNTUserFolder
>
> ...or use the User management download section to browse all available user
> folder combinations at:
>
> http://www.zope.org/Products/user_management
>
> jens
>
> On 5/2/01 1:43, "Malcolm Box" <malcolm.box@symbian.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > As a Zope newbie (sorry!), I'm deeply confused by how to make users work
> > the way I want.
> >
> > The site I am developing is an "ideas" site, where people can vote on
> > ideas and post new ideas.  What I want to achieve is that everyone can
> > access the content or vote anonymously, but to post they have to log
> > in.  As this is an intranet site, the WinNT domain controller already
> > has a list of every possible user and a password, so I want to use this
> > to authenticate who people are, and I certainly don't want to have to
> > create and maintain a Zope user for each and every person in the
> > organization!
> >
> > When people try to post without logging in, I want to send them to a
> > page explaining the login requirements and giving them a login form,
> > rather than popping up a http authenticate dialog.
> >
> > To say that I have no clue how to go about this is an understatement.  I
> > think there are three parts to this - one is the login form, the other
> > is setting the right permissions on the posting form and the third is
> > accessing the NT user database.  I've looked at LoginManager, acl_users
> > and various howtos, but I can't work out how to put it all together,
> > despite my feeling that it's all there somewhere :-)
> >
> > So could anyone outline how to go about this - pointers to dtml source,
> > howtos etc gratefully received.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Malcolm
> >
> > --
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From kedai@kedai.com.my  Thu May  3 06:52:44 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (bak (kedai))
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:52:44 +0800
Subject: [Zope] RFC - newbie with a zope product
In-Reply-To: <01050209305600.09321@russell>
References: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJCEOLCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de> <01050209305600.09321@russell>
Message-ID: <01050313524401.00747@tokey>

On Wednesday 02 May 2001 23:30, Russell Keppner wrote:
> <dtml-var expr="standard_newbie_disclaimer">
>
> Your product has started me in the right direction, but I wonder if you
> could answer a question for me. I created the User Friendly sample (and
> named the object "userFriendly") and the display method (named "show"), and
> everything worked as expected. But if I call userFriendly from another DTML
> method with <dtml-var expr="userFriendly">, it just returns something like
> <KebasData instance at 89e0458>. Is there a way to call KebasData objects
> from DTML methods? I would like to be able to use multiple KebasData
> objects on the same page.
>
> Thanks.
> Russell Keppner
>

thanks for trying out my not soo functional product :)

to get the KebasData object, just do a 
<dtml-var "userfriendly.view()">

i haven't yet found a better way to do this. 

p/s - i've uploaded another version of KebasData that'll check for object 
freshness(trivial check, really).


From dirksen_lau@yahoo.com  Thu May  3 07:34:50 2001
From: dirksen_lau@yahoo.com (Dirksen)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 23:34:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] CookieCrumbler Questions
Message-ID: <20010503063450.19401.qmail@web5103.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Shane,
 
1. You mentioned a security hole in the list, but I couldn't find the description of it.
Would you explain?
 
2. 'this product depends on a new publisher traversal hook', but I still don't get it
after reading your code in CMFCore. What's the hook?
 
3. I'd like to plug away the Crumbler class from CMF, and stick it to my own product.
What should I keep in mind?
 
Cheers
Dirksen Lau

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
http://auctions.yahoo.com/


From dirksen_lau@yahoo.com  Thu May  3 07:34:50 2001
From: dirksen_lau@yahoo.com (Dirksen)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 23:34:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] CookieCrumbler Questions
Message-ID: <20010503063450.19401.qmail@web5103.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Shane,
 
1. You mentioned a security hole in the list, but I couldn't find the description of it.
Would you explain?
 
2. 'this product depends on a new publisher traversal hook', but I still don't get it
after reading your code in CMFCore. What's the hook?
 
3. I'd like to plug away the Crumbler class from CMF, and stick it to my own product.
What should I keep in mind?
 
Cheers
Dirksen Lau

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
http://auctions.yahoo.com/


From alet@unice.fr  Thu May  3 07:38:00 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:38:00 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
In-Reply-To: <15088.19756.684962.566778@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503083300.30439A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Wed, 2 May 2001, Dieter Maurer wrote:

> Jerome Alet writes:
>  > Another thing I'd be glad to use would be MoveUp and MoveTo buttons:
> Never wanted to have that:
> 
>   I open two browser windows, showing source and destination.
>   I select and copy/cut in the source, move to destination
>   and click "paste".

Your solution is still very "clicky": you must first open a new window and
click and click and click until you've reached the destination folder,
which may eventually be far far away from the current one, before clicking
again on Paste.

A MoveTo dialog box (or form) would be better and quicker IMHO.

bye,

Jerome Alet



From hofmann@isl.org  Thu May  3 07:47:45 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:47:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] dtml-in and objectValues()
In-Reply-To: <15088.19196.564748.380111@lindm.dm>
References: <232707557@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <3AF11B11.21636.3053F89E@localhost>

Dear Dieter,

>  > now I wanted to do something like
>  >=20
>  > <dtml-in "subdir.objectValues('*_de')>
> You may use "ZopeFind".
>=20
> It provides much more control over with objects are returned
> then "objectValues". Documentation via "ZQR" (Zope Quick Reference).

Thanks for the hint, but I have to add another requirement - I need to so=
rt the=20
result of dtml-in/ZopeFind by a date attribute ...
I think I have an idea how to do it with dtml-in, but I have no idea how =
to do
it with ZopeFind ....

Greetings

   Kai

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Universitaetsallee GW1 Block A                   phone:+49 421 22096-83
D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55


From bobby@dialognet.com  Thu May  3 08:05:46 2001
From: bobby@dialognet.com (Bobby Mathew)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:35:46 +0530
Subject: [Zope] Re: Catalog Anything Problem
References: <NBBBLMKDDAEIBGKHFKKCEEOFCOAA.rbickers@logicetc.com>
Message-ID: <006101c0d39f$7a3aab60$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>

Hi Ron / Casey,

Thanks for your support, I have made those changes as you guys suggested.
Firstly i created a new catalog called prods under /learn/search/ and did
nothing further
secondly i kept the zsql method outside under the path /learn/search/
called it getProdtoCatalog()
it has this code...
SELECT prodid as Number, Title,
Descr || ' ' || Title as PrincipiaSearchSource,
'Product' as meta_type, prodid as id, Descr as summary
FROM products

now i went within /learn/search/prods and put catalogProducts (python
script) with this code
for Product in container.getProdtoCatalog():
    container.catalog_object(Product,
    '/learn/search/prods/'+ Product.Number +'/proddetails.html')
    print 'Product #' + Product.Number
return printed

The moment i test this it gives me this error

Zope Error
Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.

Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: Number
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Troubleshooting Suggestions

The URL may be incorrect.
The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect.
A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering an error.
For more detailed information about the error, please refer to the HTML
source for this page.

If the error persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank you for your
patience.

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 222, in
publish_module
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in
publish
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in
publish
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
    (Object: catalogProducts)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
    (Object: catalogProducts)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line
324, in __call__
    (Object: catalogProducts)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line
353, in _bindAndExec
    (Object: catalogProducts)
  File
/home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/PythonScript.py, line
330, in _exec
    (Object: catalogProducts)
    (Info: ({'script': <PythonScript instance at 88d81b0>, 'context':
<ZCatalog instance at 8b75f30>, 'container': <ZCatalog instance at 8b75f30>,
'traverse_subpath': []}, (), {}, None))
  File Script (Python), line 4, in catalogProducts
    (Object: NoBrains)
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Guarded.py,
line 273, in __getattr__
  File /home/bobby/Zope-2.3/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Guarded.py,
line 143, in __careful_getattr__
    (Object: NoBrains)
AttributeError: (see above)


Any clues why ? I am baffled !!! I can see Number in the zsql method and the
case seems to be ok - what am i missing out ?

bobby



----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Bickers <rbickers@logicetc.com>
To: Bobby Mathew <bobby@dialognet.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: Catalog Anything Problem


>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bobby Mathew [mailto:bobby@dialognet.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 2:08 AM
> > To: rbickers@logicetc.com
> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: Catalog Anything Problem
> >
>
> > Since i am a newbie i was not sure what you meant in the
> > cataloganything doc when you said...
> > =============
> > Setting Up the Catalog ...
>
> I meant exactly what you did, set up the catalog as you would for any type
> of search.
>
> > postgres. So i just didnt do anything further. I have a products
> > table in the postgres rdbms that i want to search by title and
> > description. So after this i created a zsql method called
> > getProdtoCatalog under the ZCatalog itself - the query i used is
>
> > Now i went into the Find Objects section and searched for the
> > getProdtoCatalog zsql method and added to the catalog
>
> As mentioned by Casey, this is not necessary.  In fact, you want these
*not*
> in the catalog.
>
> > Next i went and created the python script (again under the
> > Products ZCatalog itself) and i called it catalogProducts this is
> > the code inside
> > for book in container.getProdToCatalog():
> >     container.catalog_object(Product,
> >     '/learn/search/Products/'+Product.Number+'/proddetails.html')
> >     print 'Product #' + Product.Number
> > return printed
>
> Your first parameter to catalog_object is 'Product', but there is no such
> object.  It should probably read:
>
>   for Product in container.getProdToCatalog():
>
> This, BTW, pointed me to the same mistake in the catalogArticles() Python
> script of my HowTo, which I just fixed.
>
> Also, is it getProdToCatalog or getProdtoCatalog?  Case is important and
> this may be why you're getting the exception.
>
> _______________________
>
> Ron Bickers
> Logic Etc, Inc.
> rbickers@logicetc.com
>



From maxmcorp@worldonline.dk  Thu May  3 08:11:53 2001
From: maxmcorp@worldonline.dk (Max M)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:11:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.1 Catalog is there a bad bug in this?
Message-ID: <GPEEKBGENEOONHLCPNLPIELJDMAA.maxmcorp@worldonline.dk>

> From: chrism@sylvanoffice.com [mailto:chrism@sylvanoffice.com]On Behalf
> Of Chris McDonough

> I don't know what version you upgraded to, but doing an "Update Catalog"
> on the Advanced tab should rid your Catalog of this problem.  The state
> in older catalogs is an unknown, and doing this puts all the moons in
> the right order.

I tried that, but then I get the below error:

Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: not enough arguments; expected 2, got 1>

Traceback (innermost last):
  File
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
223, in publish_module
  File
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
187, in publish
  File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py,
line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
171, in publish
  File
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line
160, in mapply
    (Object: manage_catalogReindex)
  File
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
112, in call_object
    (Object: manage_catalogReindex)
  File
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/ZCatalog.
py, line 325, in manage_catalogReindex
    (Object: Traversable)
  File
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/ZCatalog.
py, line 429, in catalog_object
    (Object: Traversable)
  File
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/Catalog.p
y, line 448, in catalogObject
  File
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/SearchIndex/UnTextIndex.py,
line 323, in index_object
TypeError: (see above)

Max M. W. Rasmussen,    Denmark.   New Media Director
private: maxmcorp@worldonline.dk work: maxm@normik.dk
-----------------------------------------------------
Shipping software is an unnatural act



From hofmann@isl.org  Thu May  3 08:11:48 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:11:48 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
Message-ID: <3AF12072.29158.3068FAC8@localhost>

I thought that I could simply sort by modification time withe the followi=
ng:

<dtml-in expr=3D"subdir.objectValues()" sort=3D"bobo_modification_time">

but as it seems I am to stupid to understand Zope/Python, because
this does not work :(
Any hints?

Thanks

    Kai

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Dipl.-Inform. Kai Hofmann                       mailto:hofmann@isl.org
Universitaetsallee GW1 Block A                   phone:+49 421 22096-83
D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55


From kedai@kedai.com.my  Thu May  3 08:20:15 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (bak (kedai))
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:20:15 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
In-Reply-To: <3AF12072.29158.3068FAC8@localhost>
References: <3AF12072.29158.3068FAC8@localhost>
Message-ID: <01050315201500.01878@tokey>

On Thursday 03 May 2001 15:11, Kai Hofmann wrote:
> I thought that I could simply sort by modification time withe the
> following:
>
> <dtml-in expr="subdir.objectValues()" sort="bobo_modification_time">
>
> but as it seems I am to stupid to understand Zope/Python, because
> this does not work :(
> Any hints?
>

shouldn't it be
<dtml-in expr="subdir.objectValues()" sort=bobobase_modification_time>
?

hth
> Thanks
>
>     Kai


From alet@unice.fr  Thu May  3 08:29:09 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:29:09 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] how to know if an object is an objectmanager
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503092711.30599A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi,

I'm writing something generic in a python script which has to test if an
object is an objectmanager or not, since I want it to work with Folders
but also with user defined types which inherit from objectmanager.

How can I do that ?

thanks.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr - http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome
Fac de Medecine de Nice        http://wwwmed.unice.fr 
Tel: (+33) 4 93 37 76 30     Fax: (+33) 4 93 53 15 15
28 Avenue de Valombrose - 06107 NICE Cedex 2 - FRANCE



From hofmann@isl.org  Thu May  3 08:34:08 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:34:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
In-Reply-To: <01050315201500.01878@tokey>
References: <3AF12072.29158.3068FAC8@localhost>
Message-ID: <3AF1256F.14141.307C75CB@localhost>

> > <dtml-in expr=3D"subdir.objectValues()" sort=3D"bobo_modification_tim=
e">
> >
> > but as it seems I am to stupid to understand Zope/Python, because
> > this does not work :(
> > Any hints?
> >
>=20
> shouldn't it be
> <dtml-in expr=3D"subdir.objectValues()" sort=3Dbobobase_modification_ti=
me>

Thanks that works :)))
Another question - how to reverse (descent) the sort order???

Thanks again

   Kai

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Dipl.-Inform. Kai Hofmann                       mailto:hofmann@isl.org
Universitaetsallee GW1 Block A                   phone:+49 421 22096-83
D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55


From bill@libc.org  Thu May  3 08:36:37 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 03 May 2001 01:36:37 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <B71644FC.2C13E%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <E14vDfD-0006ne-00@mail.python.org>

On 02 May 2001 23:13:01 -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
> This is a very necessary discussion, methinks... there's been bits of
> threads, but I don't think enough.
> 
> > From: Bill Anderson <bill@libc.org>
> > 
> > o Some people are still (dare i say many?) running on a system that has
> > a 2Gb limit on filesize.
> 
> OK, they can try this:
> http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/PartitionedFileStorage
> 
> > 
> > o A large ZODB _can_ cause problems when you need it back it up, or
> > restore it
> 
> how, more than a large bunch of files in a directory tree?  Either way,
> typical backup software splits for CD burning, multiple tapes, etc.


Which is worse: A corrupted Data.fs, or a corrupted .mp3 file? If you
get a corruption in the backup process (Yes, it ODES happen), or the
restore, which would you rather have?

> 
> > 
> > o Consider the problems involved with a large ZODB when starting up and
> > shutting down 
> > I have an N-Class HPUX beastie that has a 362+MB ZODb, it refuses to
> > pack, and takes a while to start up.
> 
> What do you mean, it refuses to pack?  It gives an error or something?


No error, and no pack. I haven't had  a lot of time to go into it ...

> > Memory is not an issue, believe me, I have several gigs of that
> > untouched yet. yet it still takes an unacceptable
> > amountof time to strart up.
> 
> Several gigs of RAM?  Cool!  Maybe someone from DC can detail what goes on
> at startup that might take alot of time.


Well, indexing the db is a starting point, I believe.

> 
> I guess, this is important for a desktop machine, that you turn on every day
> -- for a server that's always on, no big deal, right?

Wrong. Would you like to fsck that 20 GB filesystem each time you
started up? It is also common for the developer/admin to have a
duplicate install of their production site to test out new code on.
these servers tend to be restarted frequently. And yes, on a desktop
machine, it would indeed get nightmarish.

> 
> > o Consider the problem of someone uploading a diferent (perhaps improved
> > mp3)  file. Now, until you pack past this change,
> > you have _two_ copies of the data. Actually, I believe that even if
> > only some metadata is changed, you get another copy.
> > This.   Gets.   Ugly.   Fast.
> 
> Actually, this could be a good thing.  What if the 'improved' version is
> broken somehow?  Or the meta data was in error?  'Undo'!
> 
> Also, importantly, version control!

you can version control the metadata.

> 
> If you're talking about a site like MP3.COM where you have lots of people
> uploading their own stuff, then you might have a problem with packing, with
> mp3's, images, other stuff.  What to do about it?  A couple of ideas come to
> mind:  pack often, like every day, or use the packless database and forgo
> the feature, or ...?

pack every day, and you may as well forget about an undo from yesterday.


> I'm aiming at uploading of audio as something with a little more control
> (like a review process), so having 1000 versions of the same file unpacked
> isn't an issue, and the versioning is important.

Like I said, you can make it so the metadata is version-controllable.
1000 copies at 2MB=2GB ... for ONE lousy MP3? While _you_ may be fine
with that, most people ar enot. Still, it is your choice. Multiply that
by, say a hundred mp3s ...


 
> > 
> > o Consider the ZSP that would much rather have the data stored in the FS
> > where they can keep better track of it (and
> > use quotas perhaps)
> 
> If they're in linux, they could quota the data.fs, no difference there...  I


Except that you are then you are using quota on the _entire_ Data.fs.
With an ExtFile you can have a seperate mountpoint that has a separate
quota control. say I only want up to X Gb of mp3 files, but would also
like up toX Gb of other objects, such as ExtImage objects. by limiting
the data.fs, you can't do that very well. Additionally, maybe I don't
want 1.5-2.5 Gb of a single song stored. ;^)~

> don't know that they should be monitoring your files in either case, should
> they?

For filesize, to determine how much space is bein used, why not? What
they *should* be doing is not at issue her eanyway.

> > o Consider the possibility of having the file sitting on the OS's file
> > system, available for outbound-ftp through
> > non-zope means, or local system use (for. those who would use it on
> > their local machine as an MP3 organizer)
> > or for an audio-streamer program, such as icecast or shoutcast, to
> > stream them out
> 
> These are the important use cases I see for external storage.  Though, as
> far as icecast goes, someone should beat that code into a Product, it would
> be great to have streaming built in to zope!


If it could do it reliably and speedily, yes, it would be awesome.
Anyway, I was just kicking out some real-world reasons whyan ExtMP# type
file would be (more) useful. Feel free to disagree, just understand that
there are many of us out here here who have very valid reasons for not
storing file objects that average over 1MB in the ZODb, especially when
we are talking about potentially thousands, as you indicated. I've gone
through all these issues in developing a Zope Advertising Product.

Bill




From bill@libc.org  Thu May  3 08:39:26 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 03 May 2001 01:39:26 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <B7163251.2C126%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <E14vDhw-0006ta-00@mail.python.org>

On 02 May 2001 21:53:21 -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
> I don't see how a smaller ZODB is a happier ZODB.... ?
> Keeping them in ZODB makes your site alot easier to back up!


I back up the entire Zope tree, no difference in ease. A difference in
reliability, yes.

> And, they take up basically the same amount of disk space on the FS or in

Actually, from where I sit, it _appears_ they take up _more_ space in
the ZODB, bu tthat could just be appearances.

> the ZODB.  If you use BTreeFolders, you could store 1000's of them in one
> folder (if that makes sense for you)... depending on your file system, that
> might be a problem on the FS.


Right, but it can be  a problem for the ZODB as well, regardless of
BTreeFolder.

Bill




From mail@peterbe.com  Thu May  3 08:25:39 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:25:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] rename objects permission
References: <02e401c0d311$46f092d0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AF029AA.F495625B@kaivo.com> <035101c0d31e$b5709db0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AF031E4.9FA41F94@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <040601c0d3a5$7e80f8e0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Ok. New question! This is very strange.

I create a user called "monkey" in a folder called "icons".
The "monkey" user has the "foodexpert" role.
These permissions are ticked for the foodexpert role:
- Access contents information
- Add Documents, Images, and Files
- Change Images and Files
- Delete objects
- Manage properties
- View
- View management screens

All I want the monkey to be able to do is to add/edit (name and
properties)/remove Image objects in a folder called "icons".
The monkey fills in a form to upload an Image (a copy of the manage_addImage
form almost). When submitting this DTML code is called:
<dtml-call "PARENTS[0].manage_addImage(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST['file'])">
Simple, isn't it? But it does NOT work!
"You are not authorized to access manage_addImage. "

Fuck! the monkey things. Goes /manage and can select Add Image from the drop
down list and can add Images with no problem.
However, I want the monkey to be able to do these simple things using MY
management interface.

Is this a bug?

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey Duncan" <cduncan@kaivo.com>
To: "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] rename objects permission


> Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I believe it would be "Manage Properties" although I could be wrong.
> >
> > Nops! Tried that.
> >
>
> After reading the all knowing source and experimenting here are the
> permissions you need:
>
> Access contents information
> View
> View Management Screens
> Delete Objects
> Add (Insert Object Type here)
>
> The last permission controls what types of objects can be renamed. There
> is no way to restrict access to the rename form, however, simply having
> View Management screens gives you that.
>
> --
> | Casey Duncan
> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
> `------------------>



From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Thu May  3 08:52:51 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:52:51 +0800
Subject: [Zope] TypeError
In-Reply-To: <3AF005A9.B400F8E5@vt.edu>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMAEFKDNAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

Hey Jim!

Thanks so much for the information. You are right we are currently using
Zope 2.3.1. I will upgrade the version as soon as possible.

Again, you are very helpful.

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

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-----Original Message-----
From: jwashin [mailto:jwashin]On Behalf Of Jim Washington
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:04 PM
To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] TypeError


Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
>
> this has never happened before... i don't think it's a product that we
have
> used because i tried installing it to other servers and it works... this
> only happens on one of our servers...
>
> i currently have zeo and zope on the error server...
>
> this is what comes out...
>
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: unsliceable object

Hi, Fritz

What version of Zope is that server using?  There was a bug in Zope
2.3.1 that made createInObjectManager() fail with that error when called
from a ZClass.  2.3.2 does not have that problem. Search
http://zope.nipltd.com/public/lists/zope-archive.nsf/ for "unsliceable"
if you wish to patch rather than upgrade.

-- Jim Washington



From kedai@kedai.com.my  Thu May  3 08:58:16 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (bak (kedai))
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:58:16 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
In-Reply-To: <3AF1256F.14141.307C75CB@localhost>
References: <3AF12072.29158.3068FAC8@localhost> <3AF1256F.14141.307C75CB@localhost>
Message-ID: <01050315581601.01878@tokey>

On Thursday 03 May 2001 15:34, Kai Hofmann wrote:
> > > <dtml-in expr="subdir.objectValues()" sort="bobo_modification_time">
> > >
> > > but as it seems I am to stupid to understand Zope/Python, because
> > > this does not work :(
> > > Any hints?
> >
> > shouldn't it be
> > <dtml-in expr="subdir.objectValues()" sort=bobobase_modification_time>
>
> Thanks that works :)))
> Another question - how to reverse (descent) the sort order???
>
> Thanks again
>
>    Kai
chuck in reverse
<dtml-in expr="subdir.objectValues()" sort=bobobase_modification_time reverse>


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Thu May  3 09:04:52 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:04:52 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Virtual HostMonster article
In-Reply-To: <036701c0d393$886138a0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105031203510.26175-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Thu, 3 May 2001, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
> http://twsite.bizland.com/twzop0015.htm

   The page appeared completely empty to me (but I use "links" browser - no
images, no JavaScript).

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From Francois-regis.Chalaoux@sanofi-synthelabo.com  Thu May  3 09:02:17 2001
From: Francois-regis.Chalaoux@sanofi-synthelabo.com (Francois-regis Chalaoux)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:02:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Webdav - Microsoft Word - Zope
Message-ID: <"010503080850Z.WT07150.  1*/PN=Francois-regis.Chalaoux/O=RESEARCH/PRMD=SANOFI/ADMD=ATLAS/C=FR/"@MHS>

Firstly, I created a html document in Word with "save as HTML" in ZODB th=
en I closed Word.
Secondly,  I opened the Zope html document in Word but this one was in "R=
EAD ONLY" !!!

FR



Francois-regis Chalaoux wrote:
>=20
> Francois-regis Chalaoux
> 30/04/2001 18:45
> Pour :  cduncan@kaivo.com%internet@WTFR
> zope@zope.org
> cc :
>=20
> Objet : R=E9f. : Re: Re'f. : Re: [Zope] Webdav - Microsoft Word - Zope
>=20
> I'd tested the manipulations with users today and We can't write html f=
iles that we put inside Zope via webfolder when we edit them in Word. It'=
s working with '.doc' !!
> What's the difference between this two type of files?
>=20

Is this using the "Save as HTML" option in Word?

--=20
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>

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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May  3 09:26:28 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:26:28 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Anounce: Zope Geeks dot Org
References: <OE26RKLpgTFur2iz2Mb00007082@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3AF11634.4C3885B6@nipltd.com>

Tane Piper wrote:
> 
> ZGeeklog is the Zope port of Geeklog, a PHP based weblog and portal system.
> (I wanted to call it Zopelog, but that was taken!)

You could always help out on Squishdot...

> 
> ZBB is a Bulletin Board system, similar to Ultimate Bulletin Board, PHPBB
> and other similar systems.

See ZUBB ;-)

cheers,

Chris


From tane@zzict.nl  Thu May  3 09:36:29 2001
From: tane@zzict.nl (Tane Piper)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:36:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Anounce: Zope Geeks dot Org
References: <OE26RKLpgTFur2iz2Mb00007082@hotmail.com> <3AF11634.4C3885B6@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01c0d3ac$2c987b00$0500a8c0@zzict.nl>

> You could always help out on Squishdot...

NEVER liked Slashdot (maybe the perl put me off), but I have been pretty
close to the Geeklog project (infact I am project leader now on the
sourceforge page), so its only logical that I attempt to port it over.

> > ZBB is a Bulletin Board system, similar to Ultimate Bulletin Board,
PHPBB
> > and other similar systems.
>
> See ZUBB ;-)
>

ZUBB is nice, but I much prefer the layout of UBB.  I've used UBB, and the
PHPBB for a couple of years now, so I am pretty familiar with the workings.

I suppose I just like my own way of doing things, and it's nice to give the
zope users much more choice, ain't it ;)  Both are still in the planning
stage anyway.  I'll have the proposal/roadmap documents up sometime in the
next couple of weeks once I have finished the Zope site we are doing for our
companies game.

Tane Piper
Lead Designer - ZZICT Entertainment
http://www.zzict.nl



From marcbpc@gmx.de  Thu May  3 09:48:24 2001
From: marcbpc@gmx.de (Marc Fischer)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:48:24 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <006101c0d356$459b55b0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
Message-ID: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJOEADCJAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>

> [Marc Fischer]
>
> > Ok, I will try to explain. ... Somewhere in the Web, there is a Website,
> out
> > of the world of zope:-), that provides a form with a submit button. this
> > form passes some arguments with the syntax:
> > <input type="hidden" name="x" value="y"> ...
> >
> > If you klick on submit button, you get displayed some pictures.
> so far so
> > good ...
> >
> > I want to create a zope application, that automatically gets
> the source of
> > this result page, extracts the urls of the picutres and finally uploads
> > these pictures into my zopeserver.
>
> [Tom]
> You mean, you have a web page hosted in Zope, you click a button or
> something on it, and the pictures end up in Zope with no more
> human actions?

NO, it is an external webpage!(NO ZOPE, not mine) There is a form with a
submit button. If I submit, I get the result page. On this page are included
pictures. I want the source code of this page, in order to extract the
included picture urls, and automatically upload those pics in my ZOPE
Server!


> [Marc]
> >
> > The problem is, that it is not possible to pass the variables in the url
> > like this:
> > http://server/index.html?x=y.
> >
> >
> [Tom]
> I don't know what you mean here, why can't you include the
> variables in the
> url?  Where would you like to include the variables but find it can't be
> done?

I don't know why. But the php script (on the external server) which is call
by <form action="script.php" ... with the submit button, does not publish
the same result, if I pass the variables over the url!


> [Marc]
> > So I am looking for a way of being able to handle the source
> code of this
> > result. Extraction of the urls is not a problem.
> >
> [Tom]
> Do you want to do this for a single site that always sends the
> same html, or
> a range of sites that are similar but not identical?

Just one single site!

> I would think about using an External Method.  That would let you use the
> Python httplib library.  With httplib , you could get the form by
> issuing an
> HTTP GET command on the remote server.  Then you could use the
> form to build
> the right url (including the "?x=y")

will not work ;-(

>, and then issue another GET on that
> url. This would get you the html for the page - that is the
> source you asked
> for - from which you could extract all the image urls.  This wouldn't work
> if the form runs some javascript to set its variables, though, since your
> Python program wouldn't be able to figure out what the javascript
> was doing.
>
> Alternatively, if the form you want has a name assigned to the
> form element
> (or even if you knew its position among all the forms on the page), you
> could create a browser window with two frames and load the form
> into one of
> them.  From the other one, using Javascript, you could cause the form to
> load the page that has the pictures.  Then, again with
> javascript, you could
> walk through its images array and get all the urls.  Then you could load
> these urls into form variables and, using javascript, send the
> form with the
> pictures' urls to Zope.  From there, it ought to be possible to
> get Zope to
> upload the pictures.

that would be a possibility, if I dont have success in the more
automatically way :-)

> If you were clever with the design, you could get your page to do
> this on a
> list of sites, or on a list of picture selections.
>
> I think this would be feasible using either Netscape or Internet Explorer,
> but certainly with IE.
>
> We're talking about a lot of work experimenting and developing, though, if
> you don't know these techniques already.  How many images do you want to
> capture?  Maybe it would be faster to do them by hand, one at a time.
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org

We are talking about nearly 20 pictures, that change a few times a day. My
script should be called a few times a day, too. New Pictures should
automatically be inserted in my ZOPE.

Marc





From reinoud@xs4all.nl  Thu May  3 09:54:17 2001
From: reinoud@xs4all.nl (Reinoud van Leeuwen)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:54:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] talking to Sybase from FreeBSD 4.2
Message-ID: <200105030854.KAA12395@webmail1.xs4all.nl>

Hello world,

being fairly new (but already enthousiastic:-) on Zope, I am trying to get my 
Zope 2.3.1 (on Python 2.0) talking to a Sybase (11.0.3.3) database, from a 
FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE box. (Zope 2.3.1 on Py 2.0 is what the current port makes of 
it)
(My Zope is running inside a FreeBSD jail, but I do not think this is relevant 
to my problem).

I have looked on recent information about Sybase and Zope, but everything seems 
to be about two years old :-(. The instructions from The_Jester do not work (I 
think the diff files are too old)

When I try to build the Sybase DA (SybaseDA-2_0b2) from the instructions in the 
README, it stops somewhere by complaining 
that /usr/local/lib/python2.0/config/Setup.thread is not found (and indeed this 
file was in python 1.5 but not in 2.0)...

Has anyone recently gotten this to work? (either with native Sybase libraries 
or FreeTDS libraries) Or should I try to use SQL relay?

TIA,

Reinoud


From patrick@eahd.or.ug  Thu May  3 10:22:38 2001
From: patrick@eahd.or.ug (Patrick)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:22:38 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Zope] restricting public access (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0105031220230.13567-100000@spice.eahd.or.ug>

OOppss... forgot to copy to the list...


Patrick.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:16:13 +0300 (EAT)
From: Patrick <patrick@eahd.or.ug>
To: Rudi Wurm <Net_Seeker@web.de>
Subject: Re: Re: [Zope] restricting public access

Ooops, that "inherit permissions" was a serious typho;:(
 The real tab is  "aquire permissions" and no, it does not mean that the
permissions of the object are used..... it means that this object should
AQUIRE or INHERIT permissions from its parent folders... just some zopeish
terminology: [which u can see induced me to make the typho]..
=09So what you need to do is uncheck ALL the aquire permissions
settings apart from the ones that you do not mind being public... THEN you
MUST make sure that you explicitly define ALL the permissions for the
different roles because it will not inherit - make that aquire - any from
any of the containers higher up in the heirachy...
Sorry for the typho,
Hope this helps THIS Time.
Patrick.

On Thu, 3 May 2001, Rudi Wurm wrote:

> that sounds ok. but where is this damn tab ? I only have a "aquire permis=
sion settings" checkbox for each permission in the security-tab of a folder=
, which, as long as i know, means, that permission settings for this object=
 are used at all. Do i need a new version of Zope to have this tab? The ver=
sion i use is about a month old.
> If i could find that tab, it should solve my prob, because i really have =
to put the general permission to view and access all object, defined in the=
 root folder, out of effect for that particular private folder.
>
> thanks at all !
>
> Torsten K=FChnel
> ><patrick@eahd.or.ug> schrieb am 02.05.01:
> > I **think** that you did not uncheck the "inherit permissions" tab whic=
h
> > makes any folder or object for that matter aquire the permissions of it=
's
> > parent folder. You need to do this if you have a folder which you want =
to
> > declare private but is contained in a folder that was declared public.
> > Hope this helps,
> > Patrick.
> >
> > On Wed, 2 May 2001, Rudi Wurm wrote:
> >
> > > i would like to restrict the public access of a Zope site to only a f=
ew folders. what is the easiest way to do this ?
> > > i unchecked the view-permission in the root-folder for the anonymous =
role, to make this setting work in the appropriate folders. i then had to g=
rant this permission on any item in my root-folder which is accessed by the=
 public, but my folder with all items below are autmatically still visible,=
 although the permission in this folder is not set.
> > > what did i wrong ?
> > >
> > > TorstenK
> > > _____________________________________________________________________=
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From tim@freepm.org  Thu May  3 10:23:47 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 04:23:47 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Out of the Box = ZopeApplianceWorld
References: <02b701c0d37c$3e6e5f00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <3AF123A3.D65ACE16@iswt.com>

Jason Cunliffe wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> I am very interesting in gathering info on Web Appliances, and any network
> savvy devices which could play well with Zope.
> 

> TTW, openSource, etc. Discussing ideas will also bring out where Zope is
> lacking or ill-suited.
> 
> ..interested?
> 

Yep.

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From hofmann@isl.org  Thu May  3 10:27:04 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:27:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Complex dtml-in/ZopeFind ?
Message-ID: <3AF14010.14420.30DFA255@localhost>

Hi,

I have the following code now:

    <dtml-in "subdir.objectValues('DTML Document')"=20
sort=3Dbobobase_modification_time reverse>
      <dtml-if sequence-start>
        <tr><th>bla</th></tr>
        <tr><td>
      </dtml-if>
      <dtml-if "(startdate <=3D _.DateTime()) & (_.DateTime() <=3D enddat=
e)">
        <h2><dtml-var title></h2>
        <dtml-var sequence-item>
      </dtml-if>
      <dtml-if sequence-end>
        </td></tr>
      </dtml-if>
    </dtml-in>

the problem here is that the sequence-start/end will always be executed -=
 for=20
the case that there is an object outside of the start/end date window!
So I have to move the if (startdate <=3D _.DateTime()) & (_.DateTime() <=3D=
=20
enddate) condition into the dtml-in ....
Or replace thedtml-in with ZopeFind or something else ....

Is it possible to but everything I need into a dtml-in or a ZopeFind?
As it looks to me - I can not add the if condition to the dtml-in - on th=
e other=20
hand I don't see how to sort the result of an ZopeFind ...

But hopefully I am still a little blind and someone can help - Thanks

Kai
=20
--=20
Institut f=FCr Seeverkehrswirtschaft und Logistik   http://www.isl.org/
Dipl.-Inform. Kai Hofmann                       mailto:hofmann@isl.org
Universitaetsallee GW1 Block A                   phone:+49 421 22096-83
D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55


From maxm@normik.dk  Thu May  3 10:39:39 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:39:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Can my Catalog problem problem be caused by the VirtualHostMonste
 r
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197CE2@exchange>

All my content got indexed before I installed the VirtualHostMonster and now
the url in the search result doesn't seem right, and I cannot use the
"Update Catalog" as it gives me an error message.

Some searches gives me strange results too.

Regards Max M


From andreasp@qbcon.com  Thu May  3 11:10:49 2001
From: andreasp@qbcon.com (Andreas Pauley)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:10:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Displaying the current date
Message-ID: <3AF12EA9.B98B3BCF@qbcon.com>

Hi,
How do I display the current server-side date with DTML?

Thanks,
Andreas.

-- 
... Any resemblance between the above views and those of my employer,
my terminal, or the view out my window are purely coincidental.  Any
resemblance between the above and my own views is non-deterministic. 
The
question of the existence of views in the absence of anyone to hold them
is left as an exercise for the reader.  The question of the existence of
the reader is left as an exercise for the second god coefficient.  (A
discussion of non-orthogonal, non-integral polytheism is beyond the
scope
of this article.)



From alet@unice.fr  Thu May  3 11:05:44 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:05:44 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503115404.31564A-200000@cortex.unice.fr>

  This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable text,
  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
  Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info.

--889292347-2026565306-988884344=:31564
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Hi there,

I'm pleased to announce you the Zope Shell version 0.001.

The Zope shell is a GPLed Python Script which makes some of the most
commonly used unix shell commands available from within Zope, to manage
the ZODB contents. You'll find this 155 lines script attached to this
message. 

As for the 0.001 version which is attached to this message, the following
commands are recognized: cd, cp, mv, rm, ls

there are some restrictions however, and it doesn't seem to work with
absolute paths, read the source for details and the future commands.

zshell accepts an unlimited number of commands to launch in a single Zope
transaction, so feel free to combine these five commands to do some very
complicated stuff. Despite its current limitations it works fine here on
Zope 2.3.2+Hotfix0501.

Please feel free to send me any comment about this software. 

Such similar functionnality included in Zope's core would make me VERY
happy. 

hoping this helps.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr

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From bz@bwanazulia.com  Thu May  3 11:07:16 2001
From: bz@bwanazulia.com (BZ)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 06:07:16 -0400
Subject: [Zope] TUX and Zope? + ab results
In-Reply-To: <20010503010124.21782.qmail@web4605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20010503010124.21782.qmail@web4605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05100c02b716dd459db1@[10.0.1.6]>

I ran some AB results the other day on Mac OS X, 512 MB Memory and 
Zope 2.3.1 with Python 2.x and what was interesting was that as I 
increased the concurrent number the results between Zope and Apache 
got closer and closer. They started off like your results but as I 
increased it Apache's number fell and Zope's number increased to the 
point where they were at the 60/80 range. This was just a on a plain 
index.html and index_html files but I thought it a point. You might 
want to try it.

The other thing is that while Apache can handle the hits like that 
you have to consider how Zope scales with ZEO. Boxes are cheap.

BZ

At 6:01 PM -0700 5/2/01, Jason Byron wrote:
>This may sound silly, but do you think it would be
>feasably to get some more speed out of Zope by
>combining it with TUX (the linux kernel based web
>server) ?  Maybe build the python interpreter into
>it ?
>
>I know, speed isn't important, abstraction is better,
>yada yada yada.  It's just totally cool to see results
>like this, and I want to make Zope as cool as
>possible.
>
>
>1000 requests, 100 at a time
>
>TUX       2898.55 Requests per second
>AOLserver  603.14 Requests per second
>Apache     502.51 Requests per second
>Zope        60.57 Requests per second
>
>bear in mind this is my piece of crap celery 700
>with 128Megs RAM
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May  3 11:10:33 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:10:33 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Browser sniffing for wireless devices
In-Reply-To: <B7160B05.29A8%muldrow@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1049355810.988891833@BUZZER>

Hi Chris,

first let me do some shouting: "DONT USE USERAGENT STRING FOR DETECTING
CAPABILITIES" ;)))

This is highly forbidden and very stupid (this is the cause of all
useragents calling themself "Mozilla" ;)

Ok, now we are so far, how do we get the information?

The useragent provides a header called "accept", which gives you
the information what kind of documents it wants. Most developers
use this field appropriate. (There are exceptions like M$ IE, which
sends */* as acceptable mime-type, which is obviously wrong.)

However, every WAP-Device I came accross so far uses text/vnd.wap.wml
and stuff in its accept-header. All other devices are considerably
broken.

The correct implementation would be to negotiate with what you have
(html, wml) and what the user-agent accepts.

This would fail with IE, since it accepts all but cannot render WML,
so you have to treat internally: "if it accepts explicitely wml,
it gets wml, if not, it gets html"

So you only have to scan for */vnd.wap* in the accept-header,
like that:

<dtml-if 
expr="_.string.find(_.string.lower(REQUEST['HTTP_ACCEPT']),'/vnd.wap') >0">
call your wml-producing object here (dont forget to set the appropriate 
mime-type
and watch your encoding)
<dtml-else>
html-rendering here
</dtml-if>

Ok, the best solution would be not using dtml for this :)

HTH
Tino Wildenhain



--On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 19:05 +0000 Chris Muldrow <muldrow@mac.com> 
wrote:

> Anyone doing browser sniffing with Zope to determine whether a user is
> coming in with and HDML or WML-enabled phone? I've got some leads on this,
> but I REALLY don't want to have to check for every USER_AGENT available.
> Is there a good way to check and see A) if it's a WML device B) If not,
> if it's an HDML device C) If it's not, is it an HTML device?
>
> AND another wireless Zope conundrum. I'm serving some HDML pages from
> Zope. When I feed a Content-Type: text/x-hdml with the page, it doesn't
> show up on my Verizon Motorola 2260 phone. When I don't send the
> content-type, it does show up. The opposite is true on the Phone.com SDK
> phone browser--without a content-type, it chokes, but with a content
> type, it works. Any
> enlightenment?
>
> Thankee!
> -- Chris Muldrow, muldrow@mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From michel@titus.u-strasbg.fr  Thu May  3 11:20:27 2001
From: michel@titus.u-strasbg.fr (Michel)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:20:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Date calculation bug
Message-ID: <10105031131.AA10111@porgy>

	Hello,

I execute this DTML Method :

<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('xdate', ZopeTime())">
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('xdate2', xdate + 0.020832)">
Now       : <dtml-var xdate> <BR>
30 minutes : <dtml-var xdate2> <BR>

0.020832 is the result of (1 day / 24 hours / 60 minutes) * 30 minutes

I launched it at 10H35 :
Now : 2001/05/03 10:35:03.05544 GMT+1 
30 minutes : 2001/05/03 10:05:02.94628 GMT+1 
I received 10:05 instead of 11:05

I launched it again at 12H20 :
Now : 2001/05/03 12:20:52.6986 GMT+1 
30 minutes : 2001/05/03 11:50:52.5834 GMT+1 
I received 11:50 instead of 12:50

I think there is a bug here or I made a mistake ?

	OFFNER Michel
	IGBMC
	France






From grizel@mouli.net  Thu May  3 11:29:28 2001
From: grizel@mouli.net (Pierre-Julien Grizel)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:29:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how to know if an object is an objectmanager
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503092711.30599A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <3AF13308.87513A1A@mouli.net>


Hi,


You can use the Python builtin issubclass :

ex :

if issubclass(object.__class__, ObjectManager):
  xxx





Hope this helps,


Regards,


P.-J.




Jerome Alet wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm writing something generic in a python script which has to test if an
> object is an objectmanager or not, since I want it to work with Folders
> but also with user defined types which inherit from objectmanager.
> 
> How can I do that ?
> 
> thanks.
> 
> Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr - http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome
> Fac de Medecine de Nice        http://wwwmed.unice.fr
> Tel: (+33) 4 93 37 76 30     Fax: (+33) 4 93 53 15 15
> 28 Avenue de Valombrose - 06107 NICE Cedex 2 - FRANCE
> 
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-- 
If the only tool you have is a hammer, 
    you tend to see every problem as a nail.
Si la unica herramita te tienes es un martillo, 
    tendras tendancia a ver cada problema como un clavo.
Wenn Ihnen als einziges Werkzeug ein Hammer zur Verfügung steht, 
    neigen Sie dazu, jedes Problem als Nagel zu betrachten.
Si le seul outil dont vous disposez est un marteau, 
    vous avez tendance à voir chaque problème comme un clou. 
                                       --Abraham Maslow


From alet@unice.fr  Thu May  3 11:33:29 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:33:29 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] how to know if an object is an objectmanager
In-Reply-To: <3AF13308.87513A1A@mouli.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503123157.31779B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Thu, 3 May 2001, Pierre-Julien Grizel wrote:

> You can use the Python builtin issubclass :
> ex :
> if issubclass(object.__class__, ObjectManager):
>   xxx

> Jerome Alet wrote:
> > 
> > I'm writing something generic in a python script

This doesn't work in a python script (name starting with "_").

thanks anyway.

Jerome Alet





From tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com  Thu May  3 11:51:47 2001
From: tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:51:47 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <000501c0d380$dcd93170$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
References: <B71644FC.2C13E%marc@bowery.com> <000501c0d380$dcd93170$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <aod2ft8idlrrhjbc3kf350oalc1gm7c9r7@4ax.com>

On Wed, 2 May 2001 20:26:37 -0700, "Andy McKay"
<andym@ActiveState.com> wrote:

>> Several gigs of RAM?  Cool!  Maybe someone from DC can detail what =
goes on
>> at startup that might take alot of time.
>
>When you start a ZODB up

strictly, FileStorage. ZODB on BerkelyStorage is very much better.

>, an index is built of every object inside the ZODB
>so it that can call it again later, effectively it reads through the =
entire
>DB.

With FileStorage, This only happens if zope is not shut down cleanly.

A clean shut down will leave a var/Data.fs.index file. On the next
startup it loads this index if it is present, or scans the whole
Data.fs if it is not.



Toby Dickenson
tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com


From hofmann@isl.org  Thu May  3 12:06:18 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:06:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Displaying the current date
In-Reply-To: <3AF12EA9.B98B3BCF@qbcon.com>
Message-ID: <3AF1578D.14926.31376ACD@localhost>

> Hi,
> How do I display the current server-side date with DTML?

<dtml-var "_.DateTime()">

Greetings

   Kai
--=20
Institut f=FCr Seeverkehrswirtschaft und Logistik   http://www.isl.org/
Dipl.-Inform. Kai Hofmann                       mailto:hofmann@isl.org
Universitaetsallee GW1 Block A                   phone:+49 421 22096-83
D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55


From hofmann@isl.org  Thu May  3 12:10:41 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:10:41 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Date calculation bug
In-Reply-To: <10105031131.AA10111@porgy>
Message-ID: <3AF1588A.12662.313B477D@localhost>

Hi,

> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('xdate', ZopeTime())">
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('xdate2', xdate + 0.020832)">

> I launched it at 10H35 :
> Now : 2001/05/03 10:35:03.05544 GMT+1=20
> 30 minutes : 2001/05/03 10:05:02.94628 GMT+1=20
> I received 10:05 instead of 11:05

I don't know whats wrong here, but have you tried a - 0.020832 instead of=
 a +=20
?
When this works the problem is that add/subtraction will change the=20
TimeZone instead of increasing the Time!!
(Only an idea - nothing more!)

Greetings

Kai
=20
--=20
Institut f=FCr Seeverkehrswirtschaft und Logistik   http://www.isl.org/
Dipl.-Inform. Kai Hofmann                       mailto:hofmann@isl.org
Universitaetsallee GW1 Block A                   phone:+49 421 22096-83
D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55


From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May  3 12:17:43 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 07:17:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.1 Catalog is there a bad bug in this?
References: <GPEEKBGENEOONHLCPNLPIELJDMAA.maxmcorp@worldonline.dk>
Message-ID: <3AF13E57.B3C16FF8@digicool.com>

Yikes!  I think you found a Catalog bug.  Sorry about this.  I don't
know how this didn't show up before, it's a pretty obvious bug.

What's happening here is that you're trying to index a method of an
object that requires an argument.  The Catalog can't provide it an
argument because it's not omniscient.  ;-)  The Catalog (actually
TextIndexes) should catch this and not fail like it does currently.  But
it still won't Catalog the results of the method.  The traceback doesn't
provide the index name, so I'm not sure which index this is happening
on, but it's definitely a TextIndex, and it's not any of the default
indexes.

Try doing this:

  - in line 326 of lib/python/SearchIndex/UnTextIndex.py, change:

    except AttributeError:

    to

    except (AttributeError, TypeError):

  - then do an "Update Catalog".

(This bugfix will be in the next Zope release).

Your recatalog should no longer fail.  When this is done, you should
investigate your indexes to see if you're mistakenly attempting to
catalog a method that needs arguments, and if this is fouling up your
application by neglecting to index objects that should be indexed.

Also, it looks like you upgraded to 2.3.1.  The Catalog had some pretty
major bugs up til 2.3.1b1.  Thus, I'd suggest upgrading to 2.3.2,
deleting the catalog, and rebuilding it via "Find Objects" if it's
feasible to do so.  There is also an upgrade process for older Catalogs
detailed in the CHANGES.txt if this isn't feasible.  The Catalog in
2.3.2 is pretty stable (except for the bug in line 326 of
UnTextIndex.py, which you'll need to fix in there too ;-)

- C

Max M wrote:
> 
> > From: chrism@sylvanoffice.com [mailto:chrism@sylvanoffice.com]On Behalf
> > Of Chris McDonough
> 
> > I don't know what version you upgraded to, but doing an "Update Catalog"
> > on the Advanced tab should rid your Catalog of this problem.  The state
> > in older catalogs is an unknown, and doing this puts all the moons in
> > the right order.
> 
> I tried that, but then I get the below error:
> 
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: not enough arguments; expected 2, got 1>
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 223, in publish_module
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 187, in publish
>   File /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py,
> line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 171, in publish
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line
> 160, in mapply
>     (Object: manage_catalogReindex)
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
> 112, in call_object
>     (Object: manage_catalogReindex)
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/ZCatalog.
> py, line 325, in manage_catalogReindex
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/ZCatalog.
> py, line 429, in catalog_object
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/Catalog.p
> y, line 448, in catalogObject
>   File
> /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/SearchIndex/UnTextIndex.py,
> line 323, in index_object
> TypeError: (see above)
> 
> Max M. W. Rasmussen,    Denmark.   New Media Director
> private: maxmcorp@worldonline.dk work: maxm@normik.dk
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Shipping software is an unnatural act
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rhess@bic.ch  Thu May  3 12:26:53 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:26:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Displaying the current date
References: <3AF12EA9.B98B3BCF@qbcon.com>
Message-ID: <3AF1407D.EEAE0428@bic.ch>

Andreas Pauley wrote:
> 
> Hi,
Hi Andreas

<dtml-var ZopeTime>

For date and time there are a bunch of different formats available, i.g:

<dtml-var ZopeTime fmt="rfc822"> or
<dtml-var ZopeTime fmt="aCommon"> and so on.

Have a look into the DTML/API references, for example in the appendix of
the Zope Book, or in the Help Interface of your Zope management screen
(search for "date" for example).

Regards 
Flynt



> How do I display the current server-side date with DTML?
> 
> Thanks,
> Andreas.
>


From in@konsylo.de  Thu May  3 12:41:30 2001
From: in@konsylo.de (Isabelle Neunreither)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:41:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] DocBook Samples: no security assertions error
Message-ID: <000a01c0d3c5$ff110f20$3301a8c0@rubis>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

As i try to view the sampleChapter of the SampleDocbookDocs, i've been =
asked to give my password! I gave my password, but it didn't work. I =
clicked of cancel and i saw following error:

"Access denied for =
/users/in/SampleDocbookDocs/sampleChapter/e1986/CharacterData/getData =
because its container, =
/users/in/SampleDocbookDocs/sampleChapter/e1986/CharacterData, has no =
security assertions."

Can someone help me. I don't found information about this problem and =
i'm new with zope and python.
Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Isabelle

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3103.1000" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As i try to view the sampleChapter of =
the=20
SampleDocbookDocs, i've been asked to give my password! I gave my =
password, but=20
it didn't work. I clicked of cancel and i saw following =
error:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Access denied for=20
/users/in/SampleDocbookDocs/sampleChapter/e1986/CharacterData/getData =
because=20
its container, =
/users/in/SampleDocbookDocs/sampleChapter/e1986/CharacterData,=20
has no security assertions."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can someone help me. I don't found =
information=20
about this problem and i'm new with zope and python.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks in advance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Isabelle</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From jens@digicool.com  Thu May  3 12:41:14 2001
From: jens@digicool.com (Jens Vagelpohl)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 07:41:14 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Making users work
In-Reply-To: <3AF0F193.55F4EF9F@symbian.com>
Message-ID: <B716BC19.2181%jens@digicool.com>

if the user folder does not have cookie-based authentication built in you're
out of luck. you can't somehow attach a login form to any user folder if it
does not provide that facility itself.

i'm not sure what "only posting is restricted" means. posting what to where?
are you creating anything in zope? are you talking weblog?

jens



On 5/3/01 1:50, "Malcolm Box" <malcolm.box@symbian.com> wrote:

> Jens,
> 
> Thanks for the pointer to the userfolders.
> 
> I have already looked at these,  but my questions is perhaps a level higher
> (or my understanding a level lower).  Given a userfolder installed, I don't
> see how to link up my site to it, so that only posting is restricted and the
> authentication is via a webform rather than the default HTTP authentication.
> 
> Any pointers/DTML-snippets in those areas welcome.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Malcolm
> 
> Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
> 
>> malcolm,
>> 
>> there are user folders that can talk to windoze, you might want to look at
>> this product:
>> 
>> http://www.zope.org/Members/jephte/jcNTUserFolder
>> 
>> ...or use the User management download section to browse all available user
>> folder combinations at:
>> 
>> http://www.zope.org/Products/user_management
>> 
>> jens
>> 
>> On 5/2/01 1:43, "Malcolm Box" <malcolm.box@symbian.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> As a Zope newbie (sorry!), I'm deeply confused by how to make users work the
>>> way I want.
>>> 
>>> The site I am developing is an "ideas" site, where people can vote on ideas
>>> and post new ideas.  What I want to achieve is that everyone can access the
>>> content or vote anonymously, but to post they have to log in.  As this is an
>>> intranet site, the WinNT domain controller already has a list of every
>>> possible user and a password, so I want to use this to authenticate who
>>> people are, and I certainly don't want to have to create and maintain a Zope
>>> user for each and every person in the organization!
>>> 
>>> When people try to post without logging in, I want to send them to a page
>>> explaining the login requirements and giving them a login form, rather than
>>> popping up a http authenticate dialog.
>>> 
>>> To say that I have no clue how to go about this is an understatement.  I
>>> think there are three parts to this - one is the login form, the other is
>>> setting the right permissions on the posting form and the third is accessing
>>> the NT user database.  I've looked at LoginManager, acl_users and various
>>> howtos, but I can't work out how to put it all together, despite my feeling
>>> that it's all there somewhere :-)
>>> 
>>> So could anyone outline how to go about this - pointers to dtml source,
>>> howtos etc gratefully received.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Malcolm



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Thu May  3 13:18:04 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:18:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503115404.31564A-200000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <005901c0d3cb$1b4b10a0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

> I'm pleased to announce you the Zope Shell version 0.001.


Jerome

That is beautiful!!

Using 'ls' in Zope makes one thing about what it is in new ways.. its an
interesting paradigm mapping.  It would be nice to show depth and complexity
via 'ls'

Similar to ls -la etc..

How many folder-like containers lie within?
How many objects are in them?
Who owns them
How big

Piping would be cool..
'grep' would be lovely too

ls -l | grep '^d'

Perhaps ZopeShell grep is what is needed to manage permissions ?

oh my you have started something VirtualShellMonster:-)

Dreams_Department
I was just looking again at lightening fast, tiny RDBMS called Kdb from Kx
Systems and wondering about how it might work with Zope.
http://www.kx.com

download and play around..

Now playing with your new shell really makes me wonder serisouly about Zope
interpreter. One can use python to but not at the same time as Zope is
running. So I gguess the reick woudl be to harness the two ideas. Youtrs is
cool becuae the semantic is well understood [up to a point] In zope it takes
a long time to gather a familiar consistent vocabulary, and it still lacks
the concise simplicity of shellscripts.

I wonder if there if there's some meaningful way to integrate your 'jaxml'
code into all this. So that one can create xml on the fly inside of the
environemnt it is describing. I have played with jaml a little as a means to
create Zopescripts and then tested with various XML parsing tools in Zope.

I was exploring was how to quickly 'sketch' an outline  zope site. If you
don't liek throw it away adn satrt again. If it is good then flesh it out..

It is very boring to click on all those 'OK' buttons and watch the HTML
screen keep redrawing. Sitting with potential clients for Zopesites really
brings this home, I notice that what one really wants to do is take a few
lines of compact code and immediately generate the named folders with simple
properties, and dummy dethods/documents etc. Saves lots of Time add and very
useful templating and Zope design asset.

in other words jaxml meets

mkdir [folder]
touch [method|document]

meets ParsedXML

./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From alet@unice.fr  Thu May  3 13:42:11 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:42:11 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
In-Reply-To: <005901c0d3cb$1b4b10a0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503141941.32539A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Thu, 3 May 2001, Jason Cunliffe wrote:

> > I'm pleased to announce you the Zope Shell version 0.001.
> 
> That is beautiful!!

Thanks a lot !

I've desesperatly searched for something like that on zope.org this
morning but without luck, so I've written my own :-)

I was surprised to not find anything similar.
 
> Using 'ls' in Zope makes one thing about what it is in new ways.. its an
> interesting paradigm mapping.  It would be nice to show depth and complexity
> via 'ls'
> 
> Similar to ls -la etc..

it was just a first shot. expect it to be more complex/powerful soon.

> Piping would be cool..

YES it would !

> 'grep' would be lovely too

yes but without re it will be either difficult or not powerful.
I suppose I'll recode all in a Python Zope product, which wouls solve the
problem.

> Now playing with your new shell really makes me wonder serisouly about Zope
> interpreter. One can use python to but not at the same time as Zope is
> running. So I gguess the reick woudl be to harness the two ideas. Youtrs is
> cool becuae the semantic is well understood [up to a point] In zope it takes
> a long time to gather a familiar consistent vocabulary, and it still lacks
> the concise simplicity of shellscripts.
> 
> I wonder if there if there's some meaningful way to integrate your 'jaxml'
> code into all this. So that one can create xml on the fly inside of the
> environemnt it is describing. I have played with jaml a little as a means to
> create Zopescripts and then tested with various XML parsing tools in Zope.

Not done that yet, but was thinking to do something like an
AutoXMLDocument with jaxml (http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/jaxml/), a
document which creates its own tags on demand. 

> It is very boring to click on all those 'OK' buttons and watch the HTML

YES it is, that's why I've made the previous feature request yesterday,
and coded ZopeShell today.

> screen keep redrawing. Sitting with potential clients for Zopesites really
> brings this home, I notice that what one really wants to do is take a few
> lines of compact code and immediately generate the named folders with simple
> properties, and dummy dethods/documents etc. Saves lots of Time add and very
> useful templating and Zope design asset.

I think we need some basic zshell commands:

the five following commands already work:

	ls	to list objects
	cp	to copy objects
	mv	to move objects (which should work to rename things too
                                 but doesn't yet)
	rm	to delete objects
	cd	(should a cd to a non ObjectManager object be allowed ?
		probably yes if we want to use grep on its contents ;-) 

it would be very nice to have:

	grep	to search in objects contents

	cut	(not the Unix cut command, think about cut&paste)
	copy
	paste

	id	(return the id of the current object)
	title	(return the title of the current object)
	prop 	return some or all properties for the current object 
		(id and title are just shortcuts)

	chmod   to change permissions
	takeown	to take ownership, since changing it is impossible AFAIK

	view	to view the object
	edit	to edit it
	tab	to access a specific tab for the object
		(view and edit are just shortcuts) 	

	find	to search for objects

Some things to also have:

	piping
	wildcards
	the use of '.' or preferably '->' (no confusion with some ids)
		to access objects' attributes e.g.: 
			grep foo *->someproperty
		would search for string 'foo' in all objects's property
		named someproperty.

And somewhere in the future: if and for !!!

Any comments or more commands needed ? Feel free to send them.

I'm curently reorganising zshell's source, expect something more complete
soon.

bye, and thanks for the feedback.

Jerome Alet



From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May  3 13:53:15 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:53:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503115404.31564A-200000@cortex.unice.fr> <005901c0d3cb$1b4b10a0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <001501c0d3d0$05856360$11be643f@kurtz>

> Now playing with your new shell really makes me wonder serisouly about
Zope
> interpreter. One can use python to but not at the same time as Zope is
> running.

Actually, this isn't true.

[chrism@serenade chrism]$ cd sandboxes/CMFTest/
[chrism@serenade CMFTest]$ ls
CVS          ZServer  lib    utilities   wo_pcgi.py   zpasswd.py
Extensions   doc      pcgi   var         wo_pcgi.pyc  zpasswd.pyc
LICENSE.txt  import   start  w_pcgi.py   z2.py
README.txt   inst     stop   w_pcgi.pyc  z2.pyc
[chrism@serenade CMFTest]$ cd lib/python/
[chrism@serenade python]$ python
Python 1.5.2 (#1, Feb  1 2000, 16:32:16)  [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux
(egcs
- on linux-i386
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
>>> import Zope
>>> app = Zope.app()
>>> app.objectIds()
['acl_users', 'Control_Panel', 'standard_html_header',
'standard_html_footer', '
standard_error_message', 'QuickStart', 'index_html', 'ChrisPortal',
'fudgely', '
fleeber']
>>>





From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May  3 13:51:41 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:51:41 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJIEPKCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <1059023570.988901501@BUZZER>

Hi Marc,


as I told you already, the stuff in lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py
is probably what you want.

There is a class "Function"
which takes the following arguments:

Fuction(url,
        arguments=(),
        method=None,
        username=None,
        password=None,
        timeout=None,
        **headers)

In your example, method should be "POST" and arguments
is a dictionary of key:value pairs.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

> :-) Yes, there is an other :-))
>
> Ok, I will try to explain. ... Somewhere in the Web, there is a Website,
> out of the world of zope:-), that provides a form with a submit button.
> this form passes some arguments with the syntax:
> <input type="hidden" name="x" value="y"> ...
>
> If you klick on submit button, you get displayed some pictures. so far so
> good ...
>
> I want to create a zope application, that automatically gets the source of
> this result page, extracts the urls of the picutres and finally uploads
> these pictures into my zopeserver.
>
> The problem is, that it is not possible to pass the variables in the url
> like this:
> http://server/index.html?x=y.
>
> So I am looking for a way of being able to handle the source code of this
> result. Extraction of the urls is not a problem.
>
> Thanks for your interest ...
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
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From Serge.Stinckwich@info.unicaen.fr  Thu May  3 13:41:23 2001
From: Serge.Stinckwich@info.unicaen.fr (Serge Stinckwich)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:41:23 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503141941.32539A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
References: <005901c0d3cb$1b4b10a0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
 <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503141941.32539A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <7zpudq1u6k.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr>

At Thu, 3 May 2001 14:42:11 +0200 (MET DST),
Jerome Alet wrote:
> =

> On Thu, 3 May 2001, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
> =

> > > I'm pleased to announce you the Zope Shell version 0.001.
> > =

> > That is beautiful!!
> =

> Thanks a lot !
> =

> I've desesperatly searched for something like that on zope.org this
> morning but without luck, so I've written my own :-)

Hiya J=E9rome, =


there is already a Zope shell tool : <http://www.zope.org/Members/sf/zope=
shell/>

-- =

Serge Stinckwich                                   -< )  http://multiagen=
t.com/
CNRS UMR 6072>GREYC>I3>SMILE                        /~\  http://squeak.or=
g/
Universit=E9 de Caen>IUT de Caen>Campus 3>Dept Info  (/  | http://zope.or=
g/
http://www.iutc3.unicaen.fr/~stincs/               _|_/  http://debian.or=
g/


From michel@titus.u-strasbg.fr  Thu May  3 14:12:01 2001
From: michel@titus.u-strasbg.fr (Michel)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:12:01 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Date calculation bug
References: <10105031131.AA10111@porgy>
Message-ID: <10105031423.AA10184@porgy>

At , you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('xdate', ZopeTime())">
>> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('xdate2', xdate + 0.020832)">
>
>> I launched it at 10H35 :
>> Now : 2001/05/03 10:35:03.05544 GMT+1 
>> 30 minutes : 2001/05/03 10:05:02.94628 GMT+1 
>> I received 10:05 instead of 11:05
>
>I don't know whats wrong here, but have you tried a - 0.020832 instead of
a + 
>?
>When this works the problem is that add/subtraction will change the 
>TimeZone instead of increasing the Time!!
>(Only an idea - nothing more!)

Sorry, I tried with - intead of + in my DTML Method and the result is :

Now : 2001/05/03 15:12:07.64429 GMT+1 
30 minutes : 2001/05/03 13:42:07.75949 GMT+1 

It could be a bug .........

	OFFNER Michel
	IGBMC
	France




From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May  3 14:18:03 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:18:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
In-Reply-To: <005901c0d3cb$1b4b10a0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <1060605650.988903083@BUZZER>


--On Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2001 08:18 -0400 Jason Cunliffe 
<jasonic@nomadicsltd.com> wrote:
Hi,

...
> Now playing with your new shell really makes me wonder serisouly about
> Zope interpreter. One can use python to but not at the same time as Zope
> is running. So I gguess the reick woudl be to harness the two ideas.

Not? You mean not with the ZODB, if its in use by the current zope.
Sure. But for this we have ZEO.

... snip ...

> It is very boring to click on all those 'OK' buttons and watch the HTML
> screen keep redrawing. Sitting with potential clients for Zopesites really
> brings this home, I notice that what one really wants to do is take a few
> lines of compact code and immediately generate the named folders with
> simple properties, and dummy dethods/documents etc. Saves lots of Time
> add and very useful templating and Zope design asset.

The problem is, zope is currently very web-centric. We badly
need an abstraction layer for all the things products and
the management interface in general want to interact with
the user. Then this interface can be mapped to HTTP/HTML
HTTP/WML or even stand-alone GUIs (wxWindows as example)
All could talk to the very same application.
This counts also for the XML-Stuff.

Regards
Tino


From hofmann@isl.org  Thu May  3 14:30:10 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:30:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Date calculation bug
In-Reply-To: <10105031423.AA10184@porgy>
Message-ID: <3AF17922.2399.31B662C4@localhost>

> >> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('xdate', ZopeTime())">
> >> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('xdate2', xdate + 0.020832)">
> >
> >> I launched it at 10H35 :
> >> Now : 2001/05/03 10:35:03.05544 GMT+1=20
> >> 30 minutes : 2001/05/03 10:05:02.94628 GMT+1=20
> >> I received 10:05 instead of 11:05

> Sorry, I tried with - intead of + in my DTML Method and the result is :
>=20
> Now : 2001/05/03 15:12:07.64429 GMT+1=20
> 30 minutes : 2001/05/03 13:42:07.75949 GMT+1=20


Looks to me like the following happens:

Zope changed the TIME to GMT then adds/subs the 30 minutes
and forget to change back to GMT+1!

Greetings

Kai

--=20
Institut f=FCr Seeverkehrswirtschaft und Logistik   http://www.isl.org/
Dipl.-Inform. Kai Hofmann                       mailto:hofmann@isl.org
Universitaetsallee GW1 Block A                   phone:+49 421 22096-83
D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Thu May  3 14:49:12 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:49:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
References: <1060605650.988903083@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <006101c0d3d7$d6042880$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

> Not? You mean not with the ZODB, if its in use by the current zope.
> Sure. But for this we have ZEO.

Would you care to describe exactly how to do this?

./Jason



From Serge.Stinckwich@info.unicaen.fr  Thu May  3 15:04:34 2001
From: Serge.Stinckwich@info.unicaen.fr (Serge Stinckwich)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:04:34 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503151310.32539B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
References: <7zpudq1u6k.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr>
 <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503151310.32539B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <7zelu6plzh.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr>

I forward Jerome reply to the list.

At Thu, 3 May 2001 15:16:53 +0200 (MET DST),
Jerome Alet wrote:
> =

> On Thu, 3 May 2001, Serge Stinckwich wrote:
> =

> > At Thu, 3 May 2001 14:42:11 +0200 (MET DST),
> > Jerome Alet wrote:
> > > =

> > > I've desesperatly searched for something like that on zope.org this=

> > > morning but without luck, so I've written my own :-)
> > =

> > Hiya J=E9rome, =

> > =

> > there is already a Zope shell tool : <http://www.zope.org/Members/sf/=
zopeshell/>
> =

> My fault: I've searched for "zope shell" and not "zopeshell"
> =

> However these are different beasts: Stefane's one works in an external
> editor, mine works from within Zope's management interface. =

> =

> However the two are complementary, and I'll probably suck some of his c=
ode
> (and he can't even do the same without changing his licence first ;-)
> =

> Interestingly its from another french zopista !
> =

> bye, and thanks for the info
> =

> Jerome Alet


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May  3 15:26:13 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:26:13 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Re: Catalog Anything Problem
References: <NBBBLMKDDAEIBGKHFKKCEEOFCOAA.rbickers@logicetc.com> <006101c0d39f$7a3aab60$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <3AF16A85.46E31F93@kaivo.com>

Bobby Mathew wrote:
> 
> Hi Ron / Casey,
> 
> Thanks for your support, I have made those changes as you guys suggested.
> Firstly i created a new catalog called prods under /learn/search/ and did
> nothing further
> secondly i kept the zsql method outside under the path /learn/search/
> called it getProdtoCatalog()
> it has this code...
> SELECT prodid as Number, Title,
> Descr || ' ' || Title as PrincipiaSearchSource,
> 'Product' as meta_type, prodid as id, Descr as summary
> FROM products
> 
> now i went within /learn/search/prods and put catalogProducts (python
> script) with this code
> for Product in container.getProdtoCatalog():
>     container.catalog_object(Product,
>     '/learn/search/prods/'+ Product.Number +'/proddetails.html')
>     print 'Product #' + Product.Number
> return printed
> 
> The moment i test this it gives me this error
> 
> Zope Error
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> 
> Error Type: AttributeError
> Error Value: Number

[snip]

Try Product.number, Databases often return field names in all lower case
regardless of the case specified in the SQL.

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May  3 15:28:01 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:28:01 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
References: <3AF12072.29158.3068FAC8@localhost> <01050315201500.01878@tokey>
Message-ID: <3AF16AF1.27D9B327@kaivo.com>

"bak (kedai)" wrote:
> 
> On Thursday 03 May 2001 15:11, Kai Hofmann wrote:
> > I thought that I could simply sort by modification time withe the
> > following:
> >
> > <dtml-in expr="subdir.objectValues()" sort="bobo_modification_time">
> >
> > but as it seems I am to stupid to understand Zope/Python, because
> > this does not work :(
> > Any hints?
> >
> 
> shouldn't it be
> <dtml-in expr="subdir.objectValues()" sort=bobobase_modification_time>
> ?
> 
> hth
> > Thanks
> >
> >     Kai
> 

Assuming version 2.3, try:

<dtml-in expr="subdir.objectValues()"
sort_expr="bobo_modification_time()">

since it is a method.

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May  3 15:30:13 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:30:13 -0600
Subject: [Zope] how to know if an object is an objectmanager
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503092711.30599A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <3AF16B75.D58EDD4D@kaivo.com>

Jerome Alet wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm writing something generic in a python script which has to test if an
> object is an objectmanager or not, since I want it to work with Folders
> but also with user defined types which inherit from objectmanager.
> 
> How can I do that ?
> 
> thanks.
> 

Folderish objects (based on ObhectManager) have an attribute,
isPrincipiaFolderish. Just test for this property as in:

if getattr(ob, 'isPrincipiaFolderish', 0):

or
 
<dtml-if name="isPrincipiaFolderish">

hth
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From rbickers@logicetc.com  Thu May  3 15:32:58 2001
From: rbickers@logicetc.com (Ron Bickers)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:32:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: Catalog Anything Problem
In-Reply-To: <3AF16A85.46E31F93@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <NBBBLMKDDAEIBGKHFKKCGEOICOAA.rbickers@logicetc.com>

> > Firstly i created a new catalog called prods under
> /learn/search/ and did
> > nothing further
> > secondly i kept the zsql method outside under the path /learn/search/
> > called it getProdtoCatalog()

I may have misled you as far as where to put the ZSQL Method.  It's okay to
have the method in the contents part of the catalog where the Python Script
is, you just don't want to use the 'Find Objects' to add it to the catalog's
search index.  Of course, with acquisition, it works all the same where you
put it.

> Try Product.number, Databases often return field names in all lower case
> regardless of the case specified in the SQL.

I can't think of any reason for the error, but this sounds like a good thing
to try.  MySQL is case sensitive so I've always stuck to the case as defined
in the table.  If changing the case works, let me know.
_______________________

Ron Bickers
Logic Etc, Inc.
rbickers@logicetc.com



From marc@bowery.com  Thu May  3 15:41:26 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:41:26 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <aod2ft8idlrrhjbc3kf350oalc1gm7c9r7@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <B716E656.2C1E9%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Toby Dickenson <tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>
> 
>> , an index is built of every object inside the ZODB
>> so it that can call it again later, effectively it reads through the entire
>> DB.
> 
> With FileStorage, This only happens if zope is not shut down cleanly.
> 
> A clean shut down will leave a var/Data.fs.index file. On the next
> startup it loads this index if it is present, or scans the whole
> Data.fs if it is not.


The other thing that occurred to me.... this indexing time would depend on
the number of objects, not their size, so it should be the same for the
internally-stored mp3 and an hypothetical externally-stored mp3 with
internal meta...




From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May  3 15:44:42 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:44:42 -0600
Subject: [Zope] rename objects permission
References: <02e401c0d311$46f092d0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AF029AA.F495625B@kaivo.com> <035101c0d31e$b5709db0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AF031E4.9FA41F94@kaivo.com> <040601c0d3a5$7e80f8e0$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3AF16EDA.BA73A967@kaivo.com>

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> 
> Ok. New question! This is very strange.
> 
> I create a user called "monkey" in a folder called "icons".
> The "monkey" user has the "foodexpert" role.
> These permissions are ticked for the foodexpert role:
> - Access contents information
> - Add Documents, Images, and Files
> - Change Images and Files
> - Delete objects
> - Manage properties
> - View
> - View management screens
> 
> All I want the monkey to be able to do is to add/edit (name and
> properties)/remove Image objects in a folder called "icons".
> The monkey fills in a form to upload an Image (a copy of the manage_addImage
> form almost). When submitting this DTML code is called:
> <dtml-call "PARENTS[0].manage_addImage(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST['file'])">
> Simple, isn't it? But it does NOT work!
> "You are not authorized to access manage_addImage. "
> 
> Fuck! the monkey things. Goes /manage and can select Add Image from the drop
> down list and can add Images with no problem.
> However, I want the monkey to be able to do these simple things using MY
> management interface.
> 
> Is this a bug?
> 
> Peter
> 

Assuming action is a DTML method, you do not need PARENTS[0]. That is
likely the cause of the problem. I think it is trying to add the image
to the parent folder of the icons folder. Try removing it.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com  Thu May  3 15:48:54 2001
From: tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:48:54 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
Message-ID: <9FC702711D39D3118D4900902778ADC832462E@jupiter.internal.geminidataloggers.com>

> The other thing that occurred to me.... this indexing time 
> would depend on
> the number of objects, not their size, so it should be the 
> same for the
> internally-stored mp3 and an hypothetical externally-stored mp3 with
> internal meta...

No, for two reasons.

Firstly Zope does seek over the pickle data, reading only the FileStorage
transaction metadata. However it will be faster if those pickles are small,
since more than one transaction metadata block will fit in one disk block.
Further, it is more likely that the disk blocks will be available faster due
to read-ahead in your OS.

Secondly the internally-stored files will consume *more* ZODB objects - one
object for each 64k of file size. This is necessary for the memory-reduction
tricks mentioned earlier in the thread.


From jwalcik@notwithstanding.org  Thu May  3 15:52:04 2001
From: jwalcik@notwithstanding.org (jacob walcik)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:52:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] new user, having problems with apache
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105030943160.29991-100000@web.mylinuxisp.com>

i'm trying to setup zope (2.3.1 built on redhat 7.0) and apache (the two
are communicating via fastcgi) in a manner in which it can handle multiple
virtual hosts.  zope itself is working just fine via ZServer on port 8080,
and here's what i have in my apache config:

for fastcgi:
LoadModule fastcgi_module     libexec/mod_fastcgi.so

FastCgiExternalServer /usr/local/apache/htdocs/zope \
                      -host localhost:8889 \
                      -pass-header Authorization

for the virtual host:
<VirtualHost 216.171.4.49>
    ServerAdmin jwalcik@iensemble.com
    DocumentRoot /usr/local/apache/htdocs
    ServerName milkman.iensemble.com
    ErrorLog logs/milkman.iensemble.com-error_log
    CustomLog logs/milkman.iensemble.com-access_log common
    RewriteEngine on
    RewriteCond %(HTTP:Authorization) ^(.*)
    RewriteRule ^/images/(.*) /usr/local/apache/htdocs/images/$1 [L]
    <Location />
        Options ExecCGI
        SetHandler fastcgi-script
    </Location>
</VirtualHost>

like i said, my ultimate goal here is to be able to serve multiple virtual
hosts from a single machine.  i'd like everything past / at the url
milkman.iensemble.com to be interpretted by zope, except for /images which
will let apache hand out static images w/o having to bother with zope.  

now for the problem.  with the configuration above, when i go to
http://milkman.iensemble.com/ i get a "403 Forbidden" message from apache.
if i go to http://milkman.iensemble.com/zope, i get the default zope index
page.  if i had the "Location" directive in the virtualhost set to /zope,
i'd understand why this was happening, but since that's not the case, i'm
not clear on what i've done wrong here. 

also, the rewrite rule doesn't appear to be working, but i can work on
that another day...

--
jacob walcik
jwalcik@notwithstanding.org



From mail@peterbe.com  Thu May  3 16:02:30 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:02:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] rename objects permission
References: <02e401c0d311$46f092d0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AF029AA.F495625B@kaivo.com> <035101c0d31e$b5709db0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AF031E4.9FA41F94@kaivo.com> <040601c0d3a5$7e80f8e0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AF16EDA.BA73A967@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <058401c0d3e2$2bc7adf0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey Duncan" <cduncan@kaivo.com>
To: "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com>
Cc: "Dieter Maurer" <dieter@handshake.de>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] rename objects permission


> Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> >
> > Ok. New question! This is very strange.
> >
> > I create a user called "monkey" in a folder called "icons".
> > The "monkey" user has the "foodexpert" role.
> > These permissions are ticked for the foodexpert role:
> > - Access contents information
> > - Add Documents, Images, and Files
> > - Change Images and Files
> > - Delete objects
> > - Manage properties
> > - View
> > - View management screens
> >
> > All I want the monkey to be able to do is to add/edit (name and
> > properties)/remove Image objects in a folder called "icons".
> > The monkey fills in a form to upload an Image (a copy of the
manage_addImage
> > form almost). When submitting this DTML code is called:
> > <dtml-call "PARENTS[0].manage_addImage(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST['file'])">
> > Simple, isn't it? But it does NOT work!
> > "You are not authorized to access manage_addImage. "
> >
> > Fuck! the monkey things. Goes /manage and can select Add Image from the
drop
> > down list and can add Images with no problem.
> > However, I want the monkey to be able to do these simple things using MY
> > management interface.
> >
> > Is this a bug?
> >
> > Peter
> >
>
> Assuming action is a DTML method, you do not need PARENTS[0]. That is
> likely the cause of the problem. I think it is trying to add the image
> to the parent folder of the icons folder. Try removing it.

No, tried.
The behaviour persists when I try without PARENTS[0].
I.e...
<dtml-call "manage_addImage(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST['file'])">
...does NOT either work.

Cheers.
Thanks for the support.
Peter
> --
> | Casey Duncan
> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
> `------------------>
>
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From jpeterso@the-bridge.net  Thu May  3 16:12:57 2001
From: jpeterso@the-bridge.net (Jeff Peterson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:12:57 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Virtual HostMonster article
In-Reply-To: <036701c0d393$886138a0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <KNEFIIDHENFCFDCOJOJKEEGBCMAA.jpeterso@the-bridge.net>

I see both good and bad based on perspective.  On one hand, and correct me
if I am wrong, he handles the whole of virtual hosting in Zope.  I have not
really thought of the benefits of this other than not needing apache or IIS
et al, to do virtual hosting.  On the other hand, using apache has benefits
that I can see.  First, using proxypass and site root is exceedingly simple
once you know how to use it, you modify the apache conf file and add a site
root object in Zope, no extra coding.  With this method you have to deal
with the hostname on your own, write the code and deal with the
contingencies.  Also, you can easily use apache to cache high overhead items
and have apache serve them instead of Zope.

Now, that all said, one of the greatest feature of Zope is it's
extensibility.  So, products may be written to do this easily, which will
even the field as far as ease of use is concerned.  They may also have a way
to do the caching in Zope, I don't know (not enough Zen) but it seems to me
the benefit of doing it outside of Zope is obvious.

Just my $.02,

--
Jeffrey D. Peterson
Webmaster/Web & Web Applications Engineer
Range TV Cable & Broadband
1818 E. 3rd Ave.  Hibbing, MN 55746
jpeterso@the-bridge.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Jason
> Cunliffe
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:40 AM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Virtual HostMonster article
>
>
> FYI: After an educational but mysterious search for information about
> Virtual Host Monster, I just came across this very practical article:
>
> http://twsite.bizland.com/twzop0015.htm
>
> Would anyone care to comment on the advice given?
> [..good bad ugly brilliant .. ymmv??]
>
>
> ./Jason
>
>
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From marc@bowery.com  Thu May  3 16:08:59 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:08:59 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <E14vDfD-0006ne-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <B716EB74.2C1F8%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Bill Anderson <bill@libc.org>
> 
> Which is worse: A corrupted Data.fs, or a corrupted .mp3 file? If you
> get a corruption in the backup process (Yes, it ODES happen), or the
> restore, which would you rather have?

Well, if it was something like the MP3.COM site, there wouldn't be another
centralized source for replacements for the .mp3 files, so I don't see the
issue.  If the backup is corrupted, then you'd go to the next-oldest
backup...



>> What do you mean, it refuses to pack?  It gives an error or something?
> 
> 
> No error, and no pack. I haven't had  a lot of time to go into it ...


Anyone else out there have this problem???  Hope it isn't a serious bug...!




>> Also, importantly, version control!
> 
> you can version control the metadata.

That's another ball of worms - syncronizing with the external data (e.g.
what if the file moves/renames/changes?  Do you automatically scan?  Or have
a maintainance procedure of some kind to check?  And have error handling,
etc.?)  I haven't looked at the code of ExtFile or LocalFS, don't know how
they deal with that.


> pack every day, and you may as well forget about an undo from yesterday.

Right, which is bad for all the other stuff you might want to undo...

>> I'm aiming at uploading of audio as something with a little more control
>> (like a review process), so having 1000 versions of the same file unpacked
>> isn't an issue, and the versioning is important.
> 
> Like I said, you can make it so the metadata is version-controllable.
> 1000 copies at 2MB=2GB ... for ONE lousy MP3? While _you_ may be fine
> with that, most people ar enot. Still, it is your choice. Multiply that
> by, say a hundred mp3s ...


Well, I was overstating the case.  But I find it typical that, for example,
one might mistakenly put up the wrong mix of a song, and have to pull it
quickly... or that a mistake with some meta data, like publisher name or
song title, is made once or twice before it's gotten right.

I wonder if, to get super-tweeky, it would be possible for a 'partial pack',
where you could follow the 'thread' of a particular object or set of
objects, and just pack those?


> Except that you are then you are using quota on the _entire_ Data.fs.
> With an ExtFile you can have a seperate mountpoint that has a separate
> quota control. say I only want up to X Gb of mp3 files, but would also
> like up toX Gb of other objects, such as ExtImage objects. by limiting
> the data.fs, you can't do that very well. Additionally, maybe I don't
> want 1.5-2.5 Gb of a single song stored. ;^)~

A related thing I was thinking about was how to limit file size of
individual files, and individual user quotas.  My answer to that one was:
1. filesize would be limited by the 30 minute built-in timeout of zope...
you can do the math... as long as you have enough storage for one of those
(for each zope thread) you won't die...  then you could, after upload, check
the filesize of the file (either internal or external), and if it's too big,
delete it and warn the user.
2. again, you can have methods to scan the user's area and add up his file
storage, and perhaps disable uploading if it's over.

To me, it seems you could integrate these types of controls better with the
site functionality if everything is inside zope.




> Anyway, I was just kicking out some real-world reasons whyan ExtMP# type
> file would be (more) useful. Feel free to disagree, just understand that
> there are many of us out here here who have very valid reasons for not
> storing file objects that average over 1MB in the ZODb, especially when
> we are talking about potentially thousands, as you indicated. I've gone
> through all these issues in developing a Zope Advertising Product.

I'm looking at this issue keenly, and trying to dig down to the roots on
these issues... I don't think there are easy answers, but overall I think
the ZODB is underappreciated, and I'm trying to get a better grip on it's
limitations.  I'm still not clear on how the size of a python object is a
factor (as opposed to the number of objects in data.fs), though it's pretty
clear to me that anything that passes thru zope (e.g. via ExtFile) is at
some point inside zope and therefore the same, at that point, as something
stored in data.fs, as far as speed and performance goes.




From marc@bowery.com  Thu May  3 16:14:06 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:14:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <9FC702711D39D3118D4900902778ADC832462E@jupiter.internal.geminidataloggers.com>
Message-ID: <B716EDFE.2C200%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Toby Dickenson <tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com>

> Firstly Zope does seek over the pickle data, reading only the FileStorage
> transaction metadata. However it will be faster if those pickles are small,
> since more than one transaction metadata block will fit in one disk block.

I think this depends entirely on how the pickle data is stored, and of
course, the filesystem.  For the latter, I highly doubt there is much
difference lookiing for a new file and seeking inside an ready open data.fs.
Perhaps Shane Hathaway (who seems to have done some work on the
FileStorage...) can provide an answer to how data.fs is walked.

> Further, it is more likely that the disk blocks will be available faster due
> to read-ahead in your OS.

Read ahead, caching at many levels (on the disk drive, controller, OS
driver, virtual memory system), it will definitely obfuscate the issue to
the point where only empirical testing can give the answer.

> 
> Secondly the internally-stored files will consume *more* ZODB objects - one
> object for each 64k of file size. This is necessary for the memory-reduction
> tricks mentioned earlier in the thread.

That's true, and depending on how the data.fs is walked it could have an
impact.  But they are very low level objects, and I would imagine that if
the data.fs is searched heirarchically, instead of linearly scanned (which
makes no sense), then they wouldn't have much impact, since they're linked
only to one other object, and have almost no relationship (inheritance) to
anything, except persistence.  Also, percentage-wise, since there's only one
extra per 64K, it's a very small overhead of extra objects.






From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May  3 16:31:46 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:31:46 -0600
Subject: [Zope] rename objects permission
References: <02e401c0d311$46f092d0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AF029AA.F495625B@kaivo.com> <035101c0d31e$b5709db0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AF031E4.9FA41F94@kaivo.com> <040601c0d3a5$7e80f8e0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3AF16EDA.BA73A967@kaivo.com> <058401c0d3e2$2bc7adf0$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3AF179E2.D76DA154@kaivo.com>

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> >
> > Assuming action is a DTML method, you do not need PARENTS[0]. That is
> > likely the cause of the problem. I think it is trying to add the image
> > to the parent folder of the icons folder. Try removing it.
> 
> No, tried.
> The behaviour persists when I try without PARENTS[0].
> I.e...
> <dtml-call "manage_addImage(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST['file'])">
> ...does NOT either work.
> 
> Cheers.
> Thanks for the support.
> Peter

try creatin a DTML method in the icons folder called testAdd, add this
code to it:

<dtml-call expr="manage_addImage('test_image','')">

and make sure monkey can view it. Then view it as monkey. Does it work?

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Thu May  3 17:24:09 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:24:09 -0700
Subject: [Zope] TUX and Zope? + ab results
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2E4@desi2>

Caching w/ TUX, AFAIK, isn't going to be as efficient as Squid.  I think
that likely the reason is that TUX is a webserver and not a cache, and that
(if TUX can cache; I think it can just proxy!) the overhead to proxying
likely mitigates a lot of the magic marshmallows in TUX like Zero Copy,
checksum caching, etc - a network copy is going to add latency, and cache
machinery is going to eat some CPU cycles.  Somebody correct me if I am
mistaken here.

Tux might work well with ExtImage/ExtFile and TUX's machinery for serving
some URLs and passing on others to another server (Apache, ZServer...).  For
predictable content, that is served over and over, seems like Squid in http
accelerator mode is a better solution...

Sean


-----Original Message-----
From: John Morton [mailto:jwm@plain.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:36 PM
To: Jason Byron; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] TUX and Zope? + ab results


On Thursday 03 May 2001 13:01, Jason Byron wrote:
>  This may sound silly, but do you think it would be
>  feasably to get some more speed out of Zope by
>  combining it with TUX (the linux kernel based web
>  server) ?  Maybe build the python interpreter into
>  it ?

TUX is a linux only thing ATM, so any integration of the two
would have to be some sort of add on to a vanila zope.

> TUX       2898.55 Requests per second
> AOLserver  603.14 Requests per second
> Apache     502.51 Requests per second
> Zope        60.57 Requests per second

There are important reasons why the figures are so different. In
the case of TUX, the kernel server tries to do as little work as possible
to translate a request into data flying out the NIC. Zope, on the other
hand,
at the very least checks to see if the requester has permisson to access
that
object, and often looks after other things like acquisition, setting caching

headers and obviously executing content generating code.

The easiest way for Zope to take advantage of TUX would be to have a TUX
based
caching reverse proxy sit in front of the Zope server. All of the images and

other static content window dressing for the site which will always be
served 
up to everybody can have cache TTLs set so they quickly end up in the proxy,

which can serve them up as fast as they can go.

If you still want to crank more speed out of zope, the next thing to do
would 
be to profile the steps needed to serve up requests for static content where

having a permission system matters, and look into optimizing that.

John


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From sabaini@niil.at  Thu May  3 17:24:09 2001
From: sabaini@niil.at (Peter Sabaini)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:24:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: ZODB vs. fs Re: [Zope] Announce - Audio Product
In-Reply-To: <B716EB74.2C1F8%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105031811010.4404-100000@oeh.tu-graz.ac.at>

Thats just a matter of trust to me. Ext2 has proven to be stable even
if I did nasty things to it. Ext2 and the tools it comes with has had
a lot more exposure, and a lot more time to mature (and besides
Data.fs sits on top of Ext2, so you have the vulnerabilities of
both, in a single point of failure).

The added features of ZODB sure would be handy sometimes, and yes, the
added bookkeeping is painful, but I simply wouldn't want big amounts
of data in ZODB. Or in a RDBMS, for that matter. Use RDBMS or ZODB for
metadata, keep the bulk in lowtech storage...

ru,
peter.


On Thu, 3 May 2001, marc lindahl wrote:

>
>
> > From: Bill Anderson <bill@libc.org>
> >
> > Which is worse: A corrupted Data.fs, or a corrupted .mp3 file? If you
> > get a corruption in the backup process (Yes, it ODES happen), or the
> > restore, which would you rather have?
>
> Well, if it was something like the MP3.COM site, there wouldn't be another
> centralized source for replacements for the .mp3 files, so I don't see the
> issue.  If the backup is corrupted, then you'd go to the next-oldest
> backup...
>
>
>
> >> What do you mean, it refuses to pack?  It gives an error or something?
> >
> >
> > No error, and no pack. I haven't had  a lot of time to go into it ...
>
>
> Anyone else out there have this problem???  Hope it isn't a serious bug...!
>
>
>
>
> >> Also, importantly, version control!
> >
> > you can version control the metadata.
>
> That's another ball of worms - syncronizing with the external data (e.g.
> what if the file moves/renames/changes?  Do you automatically scan?  Or have
> a maintainance procedure of some kind to check?  And have error handling,
> etc.?)  I haven't looked at the code of ExtFile or LocalFS, don't know how
> they deal with that.
>
>
> > pack every day, and you may as well forget about an undo from yesterday.
>
> Right, which is bad for all the other stuff you might want to undo...
>
> >> I'm aiming at uploading of audio as something with a little more control
> >> (like a review process), so having 1000 versions of the same file unpacked
> >> isn't an issue, and the versioning is important.
> >
> > Like I said, you can make it so the metadata is version-controllable.
> > 1000 copies at 2MB=2GB ... for ONE lousy MP3? While _you_ may be fine
> > with that, most people ar enot. Still, it is your choice. Multiply that
> > by, say a hundred mp3s ...
>
>
> Well, I was overstating the case.  But I find it typical that, for example,
> one might mistakenly put up the wrong mix of a song, and have to pull it
> quickly... or that a mistake with some meta data, like publisher name or
> song title, is made once or twice before it's gotten right.
>
> I wonder if, to get super-tweeky, it would be possible for a 'partial pack',
> where you could follow the 'thread' of a particular object or set of
> objects, and just pack those?
>
>
> > Except that you are then you are using quota on the _entire_ Data.fs.
> > With an ExtFile you can have a seperate mountpoint that has a separate
> > quota control. say I only want up to X Gb of mp3 files, but would also
> > like up toX Gb of other objects, such as ExtImage objects. by limiting
> > the data.fs, you can't do that very well. Additionally, maybe I don't
> > want 1.5-2.5 Gb of a single song stored. ;^)~
>
> A related thing I was thinking about was how to limit file size of
> individual files, and individual user quotas.  My answer to that one was:
> 1. filesize would be limited by the 30 minute built-in timeout of zope...
> you can do the math... as long as you have enough storage for one of those
> (for each zope thread) you won't die...  then you could, after upload, check
> the filesize of the file (either internal or external), and if it's too big,
> delete it and warn the user.
> 2. again, you can have methods to scan the user's area and add up his file
> storage, and perhaps disable uploading if it's over.
>
> To me, it seems you could integrate these types of controls better with the
> site functionality if everything is inside zope.
>
>
>
>
> > Anyway, I was just kicking out some real-world reasons whyan ExtMP# type
> > file would be (more) useful. Feel free to disagree, just understand that
> > there are many of us out here here who have very valid reasons for not
> > storing file objects that average over 1MB in the ZODb, especially when
> > we are talking about potentially thousands, as you indicated. I've gone
> > through all these issues in developing a Zope Advertising Product.
>
> I'm looking at this issue keenly, and trying to dig down to the roots on
> these issues... I don't think there are easy answers, but overall I think
> the ZODB is underappreciated, and I'm trying to get a better grip on it's
> limitations.  I'm still not clear on how the size of a python object is a
> factor (as opposed to the number of objects in data.fs), though it's pretty
> clear to me that anything that passes thru zope (e.g. via ExtFile) is at
> some point inside zope and therefore the same, at that point, as something
> stored in data.fs, as far as speed and performance goes.
>
>
>
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From simon@joyful.com  Thu May  3 17:21:57 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 03 May 2001 09:21:57 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
In-Reply-To: <7zelu6plzh.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr> (Serge Stinckwich's message of "Thu, 03 May 2001 16:04:34 +0200")
References: <7zpudq1u6k.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr>
 <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503151310.32539B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
 <7zelu6plzh.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr>
Message-ID: <878zke5roa.fsf@joyful.com>

Serge Stinckwich <Serge.Stinckwich@info.unicaen.fr> writes:
> > However these are different beasts: Stefane's one works in an
> > external editor, mine works from within Zope's management
> > interface.

Ahhhh.. I get it. That's neat!

It would be nice to have a unified zope shell with the same commands
accessible through the web or from a remote command line.

Here's how it looks in a wiki page: http://zwiki.org/TestPage 
Seems a bit dangerous though. There's probably some way to delete all
pages with a single command.

-Simon


From tpassin@mitretek.org  Thu May  3 17:53:26 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:53:26 -0400
Subject: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
References: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJOEADCJAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <001101c0d3f1$92bbbc90$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

> > [Tom]
> > I don't know what you mean here, why can't you include the
> > variables in the
> > url?  Where would you like to include the variables but find it can't be
> > done?
>
> I don't know why. But the php script (on the external server) which is
call
> by <form action="script.php" ... with the submit button, does not publish
> the same result, if I pass the variables over the url!
>
[Tom]

Maybe they use the POST method instead.  Look at the form in the page and
see.  You are looking for method='POST'.  You can certainly POST from
httplib if that's what it takes.

In fact, why don't you give us the complete start tag for the form you are
interested in, the one that would show you the pictures if you clicked on
its submit button.

Tom P




From Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com  Thu May  3 17:57:23 2001
From: Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:57:23 -0400
Subject: [Zope] TUX and Zope? + ab results
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2E4@desi2>
Message-ID: <010801c0d3f2$2049d5b0$0901000a@SUXLAP>

----- Original Message -----
From: <sean.upton@uniontrib.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope] TUX and Zope? + ab results


> Caching w/ TUX, AFAIK, isn't going to be as efficient as Squid.  I think
> that likely the reason is that TUX is a webserver and not a cache, and
that
> (if TUX can cache; I think it can just proxy!) the overhead to proxying
> likely mitigates a lot of the magic marshmallows in TUX like Zero Copy,
> checksum caching, etc - a network copy is going to add latency, and cache
> machinery is going to eat some CPU cycles.  Somebody correct me if I am
> mistaken here.
>
> Tux might work well with ExtImage/ExtFile and TUX's machinery for serving
> some URLs and passing on others to another server (Apache, ZServer...).
For
> predictable content, that is served over and over, seems like Squid in
http
> accelerator mode is a better solution...

The idea to integrate Python and Zope into the Linux kernel is cool. But
only for the purpose
to say "I am a cool geek - I am running Python in my kernel" :-)

Anyway....you would not get a major speedup by integration all the stuff in
the kernel because
it would increase the speed of Zope and Python significantly.

Andreas




From lsloan@umich.edu  Thu May  3 18:11:04 2001
From: lsloan@umich.edu (Lance E Sloan)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:11:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] #include with DocumentTemplate?
Message-ID: <200105031711.NAA23452@birds.us.itd.umich.edu>

I'm fairly new to Python and when I asked this question on a couple of
the python.org mailing lists, I was told I should probably ask here
instead.

I'm writing some CGIs in Python and I borrowed the DocumentTemplate
module from Zope because it does most of what I need.  However, there's
one thing that it apparently doesn't do that I would really like.  And
that would be to use "#include" tags to read in other DTML documents
and parse them.  That is, tags like this:

	<!--#include name="header.dtml" -->

Does DocumentTemplate already handle that?  I couldn't find it in the
documentation.

If it's not already built-in, is it possible to add such a tag?  I've
seen the examples on zope.org for adding tags to DocumentTemplate's
parser, but I don't know if its possible to get it to read a new file
and parse it in the middle of parsing another template.  Has anybody
already implemented this?

Thanks in advance.

--
Lance E Sloan
Web Services, Univ. of Michigan: Full-service Web and database design,
development, and hosting.  Specializing in Perl & Python CGIs.
http://websvcs.itd.umich.edu/ - "Putting U on the Web"


From augusto@artlover.com  Thu May  3 18:12:00 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:12:00 -0500
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
References: <B71627F6.2C0FE%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3AF19160.209268BB@artlover.com>

I've uploaded pic snapshots hoping to explain them. They're based only in
modifications to distribution dtml files, and one python module file. If you
want the code
I can send it to you, but you'll probably want to take a look first. :)

http://www.zope.org/Members/ausum/some_improvements/


Ausum




 
marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> Maybe you can post them somewhere?
> 
> > From: Ausum <augusto@artlover.com>
> > Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:02:22 -0500
> > To: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
> >
> > I've made very minor changes to my interface dtmls in order to reduce clicks
> > when using Zope, all of them easy to implement. They are:
> >
> > - Full screen dtml editing window (with IE for PC),
> > - Printer version dtml window,
> > - "view" opening a new window
> > - Pull-down menus to browse other editable objects while at the edit or
> > properties window (without the need to click back to the main directory
> > window every time)
> > - Images rendered at the very directory list, when wanted.
> > - Images rendered at the edit and properties pages, all the time.
> > - Thiner directory row lines, smaller font sizes of the rows content and form
> > objects, and of course, control buttons also on top.
> >
> > These are easy things to do, and they do help to reduce unnecessary clicks,
> > right clicks and scrolling. Hope that some of them were considered for the
> > next
> > version of Zope.
> >
> >
> > Ausum
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim Cook wrote:
> >>
> >> Dieter Maurer wrote:
> >>
> >>> For me, at least, it would be much more helpful, if
> >>> the controlling buttons would be both at top and bottom.
> >>>
> >>
> >> That's one that I'll 'second'.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc.
> >> http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
> >> ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> >> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> >> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> >> (Related lists -
> >> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  2 21:39:16 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:39:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] [Ann] emulateRedirect: emulates redirection inside Zope
In-Reply-To: <006801c0d2e1$9055f1c0$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
References: <200105011902.VAA02120@lindm.dm>
 <006801c0d2e1$9055f1c0$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
Message-ID: <15088.28788.172382.214993@lindm.dm>

Joachim Werner writes:
 > > Dieter Maurer writes:
 > > The common task:
 > >
 > >      A user fills a form and submits it. The submitted data is checked
 > >      and if problems are detected, the user gets its
 > >      original form together with a problem indication
 > >      *AND* his already filled in data.
 > >
 > > is not yet well supported.
 > >
 > > A redirection to the form suffers from browser differences
 > > in the handling of the old request data and
 > > the difficulty to add all of them into the redirected
 > > URL.
 > 
 > I always used an approach like this (only works with some session management
 > to get persistence of course):
 > 
 > This is a pure example, so don't look at the details ;-)
 > 
 > In the form I have:
 > 
 > <dtml-if something_submitted>
 > *** check the data here, display the errors if necessary; if no errors, save
 > the data and redirect to the thankyou page
 > </dtml-if>
 > <form ...>
 >  *** in the form, the variables are all called from the session ("<dtml-var
 > variable missing>" to make sure there is no error if it was empty)
 > </form>
 > 
 > I call the form in the action method (by just not specifying an action). So
 > there is a loop until everything is fine.
An interesting approach!

You do not even need a session for this.

It has one drawback for the application in my mind:

  I am working on an EnhancedPropertyManager:

    This object manages a sequence of attributes, each
    attribute with associated rights and an optional validator.

    Of course, a single form action should be able to update
    several property managers.
    
    To preserve modularity,
    I do not want to separate the check from the action.
    Thus, I want to tell each property manager, look these
    are the updates I have for you. It gets a problem handler
    instance where it can record each problem it encounters.
    When all managers are updated, I look at the problem handler
    whether it has any problem. If not, fine.
    If it has, however, I have an inconsistent state,
    the transaction needs to be aborted and the user informed
    about all problems.

  If I have a session object, I can achieve this without
  the "emulateRedirect" and use a standard "raise 'Redirect'".

  I do not like it very much to have to put the REQUEST.form
  content into the correct slot of a session object.
  In another project, we use a special product, called
  "FormDispatcher" for this purpose. It automatically
  remembers the form content when the form is left
  and restores it on return. Unfortunately, colleagues
  have some problems with the tool. I hope, "emulateRedirect"
  is easier.

 > One could also do the same by
 > redirecting back to the form if there is an error found by the action
 > method. As long as the fields are prefilled by Zope, I don't think the
 > browser issue applies.
That's where the session object comes in. It's needed such that
Zope is able to prefill the fields. And, of course, the session
objects needs to have been filled with users input before.

Now, the session content behaves like global variables.
One needs to carefully manage their use to avoid use of them
in the wrong context: possible but a bit error prone.

 > Can anybody comment whether this or the "emulateRedirect" approach is
 > better?
The "emulateRedirect" has 2 drawbacks:

  1. It uses undocumented Zope internas that may change without
     warning in new versions.

     You may not want to use such code in a production environment.

     Now, the complete code is about 10 lines. With a bit
     of Python knowledge, you may trust yourself to fix
     it easily if it should break....

  2. The method changes Zope internal view as if a redirect
     had been performed, but, of course, the browser
     (and intermediate HTTP processing agents) do still
     think of the original URL. They might get confused.
     Setting the "base" tag to avoid this, but there
     may be situations where this is not enough.


Dieter


From astlj@hotmail.com  Thu May  3 18:35:02 2001
From: astlj@hotmail.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:35:02 -0800
Subject: [Zope] Session scoped variables
Message-ID: <F7GNs3zMT9VpZ7oNkD400011c42@hotmail.com>

Ok, now I have another question. How do you maintain state within Zope? I'm 
particularly interested in session scoped variables. Currently I'm trying to 
learn Zope by building an e-commerce application, and in all other 
languages, (ASP, ColdFusion, etc...) you have session scope available to you 
in order to track individual users, their individual shopping carts, 
customer info, etc.

I haven't been able to find anything yet for Zope. It isn't something like 
SESSION.(whatever) is it?

Also, does anyone know of a place that may have working examples of things 
of this nature. I'm thinking of publishing something like that (trials, 
discoveries, obstacles, how I solved them, and the like) after I complete 
this application. If I had something like that, it would benefit me greatly, 
so if there isn't anything out there ...

Thanks in advance,
Tommy
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From humcommunications@hotmail.com  Thu May  3 18:35:25 2001
From: humcommunications@hotmail.com (Lee Hunter)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:35:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
Message-ID: <F90Vx4AP850lpblSlqj00007ec3@hotmail.com>

Hey Ausum,

Very cool! Improvements indeed!

I don't care for the splitting of words into separate links "click vi/click 
ew" but everything else seems like a thoughtful fine-tuning of the UI.

Hopefully these ideas will make it into an future release.

Cheers

Lee

>From: Ausum <augusto@artlover.com>

>I've uploaded pic snapshots hoping to explain them. They're based only in
>modifications to distribution dtml files, and one python module file. If 
>you
>want the code
>I can send it to you, but you'll probably want to take a look first. :)
>
>http://www.zope.org/Members/ausum/some_improvements/
>
>
>Ausum
>
>
>
>
>
>marc lindahl wrote:
> >
> > Maybe you can post them somewhere?
> >
> > > From: Ausum <augusto@artlover.com>
> > > Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:02:22 -0500
> > > To: zope@zope.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management 
>interface
> > >
> > > I've made very minor changes to my interface dtmls in order to reduce 
>clicks
> > > when using Zope, all of them easy to implement. They are:
> > >
> > > - Full screen dtml editing window (with IE for PC),
> > > - Printer version dtml window,
> > > - "view" opening a new window
> > > - Pull-down menus to browse other editable objects while at the edit 
>or
> > > properties window (without the need to click back to the main 
>directory
> > > window every time)
> > > - Images rendered at the very directory list, when wanted.
> > > - Images rendered at the edit and properties pages, all the time.
> > > - Thiner directory row lines, smaller font sizes of the rows content 
>and form
> > > objects, and of course, control buttons also on top.
> > >
> > > These are easy things to do, and they do help to reduce unnecessary 
>clicks,
> > > right clicks and scrolling. Hope that some of them were considered for 
>the
> > > next
> > > version of Zope.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ausum
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim Cook wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dieter Maurer wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> For me, at least, it would be much more helpful, if
> > >>> the controlling buttons would be both at top and bottom.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> That's one that I'll 'second'.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc.
> > >> http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
> > >> ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > >> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > >> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > >> (Related lists -
> > >> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> > >> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> > > (Related lists -
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>
>
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From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May  3 18:53:39 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:53:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Session scoped variables
References: <F7GNs3zMT9VpZ7oNkD400011c42@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201c0d3f9$fd963150$a8063bd0@kurtz>

Hi Tommy,

There are several session mgmt systems for Zope, including SQLSession,
HappySession, FSSession, and CoreSessionTracking.  Search for these on
Google or Zope.org.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tommy Johnson" <astlj@hotmail.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:35 PM
Subject: [Zope] Session scoped variables


> Ok, now I have another question. How do you maintain state within Zope?
I'm
> particularly interested in session scoped variables. Currently I'm trying
to
> learn Zope by building an e-commerce application, and in all other
> languages, (ASP, ColdFusion, etc...) you have session scope available to
you
> in order to track individual users, their individual shopping carts,
> customer info, etc.
>
> I haven't been able to find anything yet for Zope. It isn't something like
> SESSION.(whatever) is it?
>
> Also, does anyone know of a place that may have working examples of things
> of this nature. I'm thinking of publishing something like that (trials,
> discoveries, obstacles, how I solved them, and the like) after I complete
> this application. If I had something like that, it would benefit me
greatly,
> so if there isn't anything out there ...
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tommy
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
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From dave@kovach.com  Thu May  3 18:58:31 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 3 May 2001 10:58:31 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
Message-ID: <20010503175831.6022.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

The shell idea is neat...

Better at times than using the manage interface. Though it is pretty quick at what it does in terms of its ease of use for the admin...

Has there been any work on a rich-gui editor and one that is more integrated with a HTML/XML/XHTML editor outside of just using WEBDAV with Dreamweaver or something. Something where its almost like your in the same IDE to do everything - build objects in Zope, edit web content, build html files etc.???

Cool work though.

Sincerely

David Kovach
dave@kovach.com





On Thu, 03 May 2001, Serge Stinckwich wrote:

> 
> At Thu, 3 May 2001 14:42:11 +0200 (MET DST),
> Jerome Alet wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 3 May 2001, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
> > 
> > > > I'm pleased to announce you the Zope Shell version 0.001.
> > > 
> > > That is beautiful!!
> > 
> > Thanks a lot !
> > 
> > I've desesperatly searched for something like that on zope.org this
> > morning but without luck, so I've written my own :-)
> 
> Hiya Jérome, 
> 
> there is already a Zope shell tool : <http://www.zope.org/Members/sf/zopeshell/>
> 
> -- 
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From alet@unice.fr  Thu May  3 19:21:38 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:21:38 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
In-Reply-To: <878zke5roa.fsf@joyful.com>; from simon@joyful.com on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 09:21:57AM -0700
References: <7zpudq1u6k.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr> <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503151310.32539B-100000@cortex.unice.fr> <7zelu6plzh.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr> <878zke5roa.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <20010503202138.B479@nordine.ateur>

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 09:21:57AM -0700, Simon Michael wrote:
> Serge Stinckwich <Serge.Stinckwich@info.unicaen.fr> writes:
> > > However these are different beasts: Stefane's one works in an
> > > external editor, mine works from within Zope's management
> > > interface.
> 
> It would be nice to have a unified zope shell with the same commands
> accessible through the web or from a remote command line.
> 
> Here's how it looks in a wiki page: http://zwiki.org/TestPage 
> Seems a bit dangerous though. There's probably some way to delete all
> pages with a single command.

YES be careful.

however it doesn't seem to work with your url. I confirm it works fine at
home.

Another thing you've missed is that its powerfulness resides in its
ability to deal with multiple commands, that's why the original form
was a textarea, e.g.:

	cd myfolder
	ls Folder Image 
	mv ThisFolder ThisOtherOne ..
	ls Folder Image
	cd ..
	ls
	cp ThisFolder myfolder

Enjoy.

Expect a new release very soon, you'll find the 'restart' command helpful !

bye,

Jerome Alet



From alet@unice.fr  Thu May  3 19:29:36 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:29:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
In-Reply-To: <20010503202138.B479@nordine.ateur>; from Jerome.Alet@unice.fr on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 08:21:38PM +0200
References: <7zpudq1u6k.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr> <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503151310.32539B-100000@cortex.unice.fr> <7zelu6plzh.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr> <878zke5roa.fsf@joyful.com> <20010503202138.B479@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <20010503202936.D479@nordine.ateur>

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 08:21:38PM +0200, Jerome Alet wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 09:21:57AM -0700, Simon Michael wrote:
> > Serge Stinckwich <Serge.Stinckwich@info.unicaen.fr> writes:
> > > > However these are different beasts: Stefane's one works in an
> > > > external editor, mine works from within Zope's management
> > > > interface.
> > 
> > It would be nice to have a unified zope shell with the same commands
> > accessible through the web or from a remote command line.
> > 
> > Here's how it looks in a wiki page: http://zwiki.org/TestPage 
> > Seems a bit dangerous though. There's probably some way to delete all
> > pages with a single command.
> 
> YES be careful.

I've just seen the access is now protected, it's a good idea else 
anyone could just do a: rm

bye,

Jerome


From alet@unice.fr  Thu May  3 19:25:48 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:25:48 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
In-Reply-To: <3AF19160.209268BB@artlover.com>; from augusto@artlover.com on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:12:00PM -0500
References: <B71627F6.2C0FE%marc@bowery.com> <3AF19160.209268BB@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <20010503202548.C479@nordine.ateur>

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:12:00PM -0500, Ausum wrote:
> I've uploaded pic snapshots hoping to explain them. They're based only in
> modifications to distribution dtml files, and one python module file. If you
> want the code
> I can send it to you, but you'll probably want to take a look first. :)

Except the Vi/Ew thing the rest is VERY interesting !

Please DC make this happen in Zope's core...

bye,

Jerome Alet


From cbeaumon@msri.org  Thu May  3 19:23:30 2001
From: cbeaumon@msri.org (Chris Beaumont)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:23:30 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Summarization and Zope
In-Reply-To: <3ADFB0C8.67C1B22E@artlover.com>
References: <3ADFB0C8.67C1B22E@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <p05010402b7175166962e@[192.168.1.2]>

Hi Ausum ,

I wonder if you got any responses to this question..

I think there is a summarization CPAN module for Perl.

To hook it up to Zope would be very cool...

I'm also interested in this technique - to use for the automatic 
generation of meta tags..

Maybe you could hook the PERL module up to Zope somehow..

Please keep me posted as to your plans.. I'd be more than glad to 
help if I can..

Thanks

Chris



>After searching the Zope's site and the web, this is a question I've come up
>with:
>Is anybody working on a Summarization product for Zope?
>
>Some weeks ago, after reading the Directions Road Map, I realized 
>that the best
>way to include these kind of features in Zope was to write communication
>components to existing software, rather than dealing with new, complicated
>code, from scratch. But I'm assuming there aren't current projects on
>summarization written in Python, so if this is correct, this may be the right
>moment to start a new proposal on this subject, at least at a very 
>basic level.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ausum
>


From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May  3 19:51:46 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:51:46 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Summarization and Zope
References: <3ADFB0C8.67C1B22E@artlover.com> <p05010402b7175166962e@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <001901c0d402$1a712660$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> Maybe you could hook the PERL module up to Zope somehow..

Thats easy, call it straight from Zope or wrap it in a product. If you need
help on this drop me a line.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.



From simon@joyful.com  Thu May  3 19:48:57 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 03 May 2001 11:48:57 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
In-Reply-To: <20010503202138.B479@nordine.ateur> (Jerome Alet's message of "Thu, 3 May 2001 20:21:38 +0200")
References: <7zpudq1u6k.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr>
 <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503151310.32539B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
 <7zelu6plzh.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr>
 <878zke5roa.fsf@joyful.com> <20010503202138.B479@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <873dam5kva.fsf_-_@joyful.com>

Jerome Alet <alet@unice.fr> writes:
> however it doesn't seem to work with your url. I confirm it works
> fine at home.

What doesn't work ? I was hacking on it.. 

> Another thing you've missed is that its powerfulness resides in its
> ability to deal with multiple commands, that's why the original form
> was a textarea, e.g.:

Didn't miss it, just preferred a text input because it reduces my
mousing effort in netscape. I tweaked your code to allow multiple
commands on a line (at http://zwiki.org/TestPage).

What do you think about adding a "Run Zshell Commands" permission as
an extra level of configurability for this mode of interaction ?

Cheers -Simon


From simon@joyful.com  Thu May  3 19:58:39 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 03 May 2001 11:58:39 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts, questions (Re: [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell)
In-Reply-To: <878zke5roa.fsf@joyful.com> (Simon Michael's message of "03 May 2001 09:21:57 -0700")
References: <7zpudq1u6k.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr>
 <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503151310.32539B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
 <7zelu6plzh.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr>
 <878zke5roa.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <87zocu45uo.fsf_-_@joyful.com>

What's also very neat is the modern Python Script - I hadn't seen one
in action recently. Easy to install, powerful, trustable.

I was able to import re but re.split gave an access violation.
What's the latest with respect to using the re module in p.scripts ?

With wiki synergies in mind, I exposed the script's body for (manager)
editing on http://zwiki.org/TestPage. Question: do we have a general
(or not) way to redirect manage edit actions to somewhere other than
the ZMI ? Eg back to the wiki page in this case.

-Simon


From kyroraz@usa.net  Thu May  3 20:13:29 2001
From: kyroraz@usa.net (Jason Joy)
Date: 3 May 2001 12:13:29 MST
Subject: [Zope] Product Creation and Permission
Message-ID: <20010503191329.20352.qmail@nwcst320.netaddress.usa.net>

I started working on this the other day and posted some questions regardi=
ng
this, and I apologize ahead of time for the length of this message, but t=
his
has me absolutely baffled and if anyone can offer some insight into Zope'=
s
ObjectManger and how it works in regards to this, it would be extremely
appreciated.

I am constructing a product that is basically in essence a SQL-Zclass, wh=
ere
you can manipulate SQL in a Object Manager.  I have two classes, A and B,=

where B works off of A.

So, after you create a instance of A in Zope (in a folder or such), it ap=
pears
=2E. and then you click on it, it brings up a management screen (assuming=
 that
we're allowable to do such) that runs a SQL command that displays the res=
ults
as "objects" in the instance of A.  These instances displayed in A are re=
lated
to B.  Clicking on one of these new instances of B should bring up a list=
 of
further related objects contained in B (in the SQL database) and allow yo=
u to
manage objects C, D, E... etc.  The problem that I am getting is A works =
fine,
and shows the objects of B contained within.  However, when I click on on=
e of
these in the management screen, I get a request to login again, and I can=

never enter in a correct authentication despite having full privledges to=
 this
Zope server, and after three tries, I am dropped to a Unauthorized screen=

saying that Username and Password are not correct.

Can anyone shed any light on this issue?  Is there something I am missing=
,
some class that I am not inheriting that's allowing Zope access to it's
authentication methods?  Or is what I am doing just plain impossible in Z=
ope? =

I have included examples of what I am trying to do below and apologize fo=
r the
length of this message.

Jason

A:

import Globals
from Globals import Persistent, Acquisition
import AccessControl
import OFS
from B import *
from pg import DB
from AccessControl import ClassSecurityInfo
from Acquisition import Implicit

__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1

class objectChunk(Implicit):
        security =3D ClassSecurityInfo()
        security.declareObjectPublic()
        security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
        security.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1

def SQLquery(query):
        db =3D "zope"
        server =3D "192.168.1.1"
        port =3D 5432
        sqluser =3D "zope"
        sqlpassword =3D "********"

        data =3D []

	if query[0:6] =3D=3D "SELECT":
	        for output in
DB(db,server,port,'',sqluser,sqlpassword).query(query).dictresult():
        	        result =3D objectChunk()
	                masterkeys =3D output.keys()
	                for key in masterkeys:
	                        f =3D setattr(result, key, output[key])
	                data.append(result)
	else:
		SQLOUTPUT =3D DB(db,server,port,'',sqluser,sqlpassword).query(query)

        return (data)


def manage_addA(self,id,name,description,REQUEST=3DNone):
    obja =3D A(id,name,description)
    self._setObject(id, obja)
    if REQUEST is not None:
        return self.manage_main(self, REQUEST)

manage_addAForm =3D Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/add_obja', globals())


class A(
    OFS.ObjectManager.ObjectManager,
    OFS.PropertyManager.PropertyManager,
    Acquisition.Implicit,
    Persistent,
    AccessControl.Role.RoleManager,
    OFS.SimpleItem.Item,
    ):
    =

    a=3D()
    manage_options=3D(
        {'label':'Properties', 'action':'manage_main'},
        {'label':'View', 'action':''},
        ) + OFS.SimpleItem.SimpleItem.manage_options

    meta_type =3D 'Product'

    index_html =3D Globals.HTMLFile("dtml/obja", globals())
    #manage_main =3D Globals.HTMLFile("dtml/edit_obja", globals())

    def __init__(self, id, name,description):
             =

	self.id =3D id
        self.name =3D name
        self.desc =3D description
        =

        =

    def objectItems(self):

	objQUERY =3D "SELECT * FROM B WHERE dgid =3D '" + self.id + "'"

	QUERYRESULT =3D []
	QUERYRESULT =3D SQLquery(objQUERY)	=

	a =3D []
	for objects in QUERYRESULT:
		tp =3D
B(objects.id,objects.dgid,objects.obj_name,objects.obj_desc,objects.obj_c=
reator,objects.obj_created,objects.obj_moddate)
		tpwrapper =3D [objects.id,tp]
		a.append(tpwrapper)
        return a        =


       =

    def manage_beforeDelete(self,item,container):
	QUERYSTRING =3D "DELETE FROM B WHERE dgid =3D '" + item.id + "'"
	queryresult =3D SQLquery(QUERYSTRING)

    def _getOb(self,id,dp=3D2):
	__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1
        nextobject =3D
B(self.id,id,"name","desc","creater","createrdate","moddate") =

        return nextobject

    def _delObjects(self,id):
       "This deletes the objects specified" =

       print "In the _delObjects"	    =


    def _delOb(self,id):
        "This deletes the objects specified" =

	SQLQUERY =3D "DELETE FROM B WHERE id =3D '" + id + "'"
	INQUIRE =3D SQLquery(SQLQUERY)

Globals.default__class_init__(A)
Globals.default__class_init__(B)
Globals.InitializeClass(objectChunk)




B:

import Globals
from Globals import Persistent, Acquisition
import AccessControl
import OFS
from pg import DB
from AccessControl import ClassSecurityInfo
from Acquisition import Implicit

__ac_permissions__ =3D (
	('View',
		('index_html', '__getitem__', 'id', 'pageCount', 'getAllPages',
		'getPage', 'navigationBar')),
        ('Management Screens',
		('manage_main','manage_edit', 'manage_addPage', 'manage_editPage',
		'manage_deletePages')),
	('Anonymous','Anonymous'),
)

__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1

class objectChunk(Implicit):
        security =3D ClassSecurityInfo()
        security.declareObjectPublic()
        security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
        security.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1

def SQLquery(query):
        ## change these when you change servers
        db =3D "zope"
        server =3D "192.168.1.1"
        port =3D 5432
        sqluser =3D "zope"
        sqlpassword =3D "********"

        data =3D []

	if query[0:6] =3D=3D "SELECT":
	        for output in
DB(db,server,port,'',sqluser,sqlpassword).query(query).dictresult():
        	        result =3D objectChunk()
	                masterkeys =3D output.keys()
	                for key in masterkeys:
	                        f =3D setattr(result, key, output[key])
        	        data.append(result)
	else:
		SQLOUTPUT =3D DB(db,server,port,'',sqluser,sqlpassword).query(query)
        return (data)

def
manage_addB(self,dg_id,id,name,desc,creater,createrdate,moddate,REQUEST=3D=
None):
	The argument 'self' will be bound to the parent Folder.
	QUERYSTRING =3D "INSERT INTO C
(id,dgid,obj_name,obj_desc,obj_creator,obj_created,obj_moddate) VALUES
('"+id+"','"+dg_id+"','"+name+"','"+desc+"','"+creater+"','"+createrdate+=
"','"+moddate+"')"
	print QUERYSTRING
	SQLRETURN =3D SQLquery(QUERYSTRING)
	if REQUEST is not None:
        	return self.manage_main(self, REQUEST)

manage_addTopicForm =3D Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/add_obj', globals())

class B(
	OFS.ObjectManager.ObjectManager,
	OFS.PropertyManager.PropertyManager,	=

	Acquisition.Implicit,
	Persistent,
	AccessControl.Role.RoleManager,
	OFS.SimpleItem.Item,
	):

	__ac_permissions__ =3D (
		('Change Management',
			('manage_main','manage_edit', 'manage_addPage', 'manage_editPage',
			'index_html')),
	)



	a=3D()

	security =3D ClassSecurityInfo()
	security.declareObjectPublic()
	##security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
	security.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1
	manage_workspace__roles__=3D('Manager','Anonymous',)

	manage_options=3D(
		{'label':'Properties', 'action':'manage_main'},
		{'label':'View', 'action':''},
		) + OFS.SimpleItem.SimpleItem.manage_options

    =

	meta_type =3D 'Product 2'


	index_html =3D Globals.HTMLFile("dtml/obj", globals())
	manage_main =3D Globals.HTMLFile("dtml/edit_obj", globals())

	def __init__(self,dg_id,id,name,desc,creater,createrdate,moddate):
		self.dg_id =3D dg_id     =

		self.id =3D id
		self.name =3D name
		self.desc =3D desc
		self.creater =3D creater
		self.createdate =3D createrdate
		self.moddate =3D moddate
		__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1
		manage_workspace__roles__=3D('Manager','Anonymous',)


	def objectItems(self):
		print "In the objectItems method of Tp"

		objQUERY =3D "SELECT * FROM B WHERE dgid =3D '" + self.id + "'"

		QUERYRESULT =3D []
		QUERYRESULT =3D SQLquery(objQUERY)
		a =3D []
		for objects in QUERYRESULT:
			tp =3D
B(objects.id,objects.dgid,objects.obj_name,objects.obj_desc,objects.obj_c=
reator,objects.obj_created,objects.obj_moddate)
			tpwrapper =3D [objects.id,tp]
			a.append(tpwrapper)
		return a


Globals.InitializeClass(objectChunk)

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From tpassin@mitretek.org  Thu May  3 20:21:09 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:21:09 -0400
Subject: [Zope] #include with DocumentTemplate?
References: <200105031711.NAA23452@birds.us.itd.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <009e01c0d406$355ddcd0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Lance E Sloan]

> I'm writing some CGIs in Python and I borrowed the DocumentTemplate
> module from Zope because it does most of what I need.  However, there's
> one thing that it apparently doesn't do that I would really like.  And
> that would be to use "#include" tags to read in other DTML documents
> and parse them.  That is, tags like this:
>
> <!--#include name="header.dtml" -->
>
> Does DocumentTemplate already handle that?  I couldn't find it in the
> documentation.

 [Tom]

If you want to display ("render")  header_dtml, write

<dtml-var header_dtml>

If you want to call it (i.e., get it to do something that isn't intended to
display), write

<dtml-call header_dtml>

I don't see that there is really a need for an "include" as such since you
can incorporate other code as shown above.  Do you still think you need to
do it?

And stop using that obsolete syntax <!--#, even if it's still left over in
some documentation.

Cheers,

Tom P



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May  3 20:30:52 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:30:52 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Re: Product Creation and Permission
References: <20010503191329.20352.qmail@nwcst320.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <3AF1B1EC.2EADCB92@kaivo.com>

Jason Joy wrote:
> 
> I started working on this the other day and posted some questions regarding
> this, and I apologize ahead of time for the length of this message, but this
> has me absolutely baffled and if anyone can offer some insight into Zope's
> ObjectManger and how it works in regards to this, it would be extremely
> appreciated.
> 
> I am constructing a product that is basically in essence a SQL-Zclass, where
> you can manipulate SQL in a Object Manager.  I have two classes, A and B,
> where B works off of A.
> 
> So, after you create a instance of A in Zope (in a folder or such), it appears
> .. and then you click on it, it brings up a management screen (assuming that
> we're allowable to do such) that runs a SQL command that displays the results
> as "objects" in the instance of A.  These instances displayed in A are related
> to B.  Clicking on one of these new instances of B should bring up a list of
> further related objects contained in B (in the SQL database) and allow you to
> manage objects C, D, E... etc.  The problem that I am getting is A works fine,
> and shows the objects of B contained within.  However, when I click on one of
> these in the management screen, I get a request to login again, and I can
> never enter in a correct authentication despite having full privledges to this
> Zope server, and after three tries, I am dropped to a Unauthorized screen
> saying that Username and Password are not correct.
> 

In the definition of B there unser __ac_permissions__, you have a
permission called 'Management Screens'. You might want to change that to
'View management screens'. Also, this is just loose in the module, it
does no good there AFAIK. Put it inside the class def.

You set permissions on the constructor methods in you __init__.py
RegisterClass call.

The last two lines of your __init__ def of B do nothing. They are local
variables that never see the light of day.
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From simon@joyful.com  Thu May  3 20:31:18 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 03 May 2001 12:31:18 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
In-Reply-To: <20010503202936.D479@nordine.ateur> (Jerome Alet's message of "Thu, 3 May 2001 20:29:36 +0200")
References: <7zpudq1u6k.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr>
 <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503151310.32539B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
 <7zelu6plzh.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr>
 <878zke5roa.fsf@joyful.com> <20010503202138.B479@nordine.ateur>
 <20010503202936.D479@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <87vgni44c9.fsf@joyful.com>

Jerome Alet <alet@unice.fr> writes:
> I've just seen the access is now protected, it's a good idea else
> anyone could just do a: rm

editing the zshell script is protected, but running it isn't.  
I couldn't find a way to protect against executing zshell commands,
short of disabling all the lower-level permissions (such as object
deletion). 

"rm" & "rm *" don't work but "rm ." does. Zshell allows you to do so
much evil (as well as good) with so little effort, that I think it
would benefit from an extra permission.


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May  3 20:43:38 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:43:38 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Re: Product Creation and Permission
References: <20010503191329.20352.qmail@nwcst320.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <3AF1B4EA.B7B3167@kaivo.com>

The other thing I now notice is that you are mixing the old security
model with __ac_permissions__ with the new one "classSecurityInfo".

This is likely confusing Zope. Drop the __ac_permissions__ stuff.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From dieter@handshake.de  Thu May  3 18:29:22 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:29:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] dtml-in and objectValues()
In-Reply-To: <3AF11B11.21636.3053F89E@localhost>
References: <15088.19196.564748.380111@lindm.dm>
 <3AF11B11.21636.3053F89E@localhost>
Message-ID: <15089.38258.745456.88695@lindm.dm>

Kai Hofmann writes:
 > Thanks for the hint, but I have to add another requirement - I need to sort the 
 > result of dtml-in/ZopeFind by a date attribute ...
 > I think I have an idea how to do it with dtml-in, but I have no idea how to do
 > it with ZopeFind ....
You combine ZopeFind with dtml-in in exactly the same way you
do it now with "objectValues"....



Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Thu May  3 20:13:49 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:13:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Can my Catalog problem problem be caused by the VirtualHostMonste
 r
In-Reply-To: <475194881@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15089.44525.906156.383353@lindm.dm>

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?= writes:
 > All my content got indexed before I installed the VirtualHostMonster and now
 > the url in the search result doesn't seem right, and I cannot use the
 > "Update Catalog" as it gives me an error message.
 > 
 > Some searches gives me strange results too.
I think this has been addressed with more recent ZCatalog versions.
However, there is probably some conversion step necessary.

You may find documentation about ZCatalog and virtual hosting
on zope.org.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Thu May  3 20:15:26 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:15:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Making users work
In-Reply-To: <879290642@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15089.44622.464591.865936@lindm.dm>

Jens Vagelpohl writes:
 > if the user folder does not have cookie-based authentication built in you're
 > out of luck. you can't somehow attach a login form to any user folder if it
 > does not provide that facility itself.
You know Shane's Cookie Crumbler product, part of CMF.

It can wrap an login procedure based on HTTP basic authentication
into a cookie based authentication.



Dieter


From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May  3 20:53:37 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 21:53:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Complex dtml-in/ZopeFind ?
In-Reply-To: <3AF14010.14420.30DFA255@localhost>
Message-ID: <1084339230.988926817@BUZZER>

Hi Kai,

thats simple. You have too much logic in your dtml.
First of all I would do it rather with a zcatalog search,
since this would not call all documents (e.g. load them
into memory) and gives you the flexibility on choosing
whatever subset you want.

If not, you should put all your search stuff into a
python script, which returns a list of
only the objects you want.

If you use query-start/end you could as well put the
<table> </table> stuff there as well.

If you dont, you can drop these lines and put
them all outside, so there is no need to see how
many items are returned.


HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2001 11:27 +0200 Kai Hofmann <hofmann@isl.org> =
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have the following code now:
>
>     <dtml-in "subdir.objectValues('DTML Document')"
> sort=3Dbobobase_modification_time reverse>
>       <dtml-if sequence-start>
>         <tr><th>bla</th></tr>
>         <tr><td>
>       </dtml-if>
>       <dtml-if "(startdate <=3D _.DateTime()) & (_.DateTime() <=3D =
enddate)">
>         <h2><dtml-var title></h2>
>         <dtml-var sequence-item>
>       </dtml-if>
>       <dtml-if sequence-end>
>         </td></tr>
>       </dtml-if>
>     </dtml-in>
>
> the problem here is that the sequence-start/end will always be executed -
> for  the case that there is an object outside of the start/end date
> window! So I have to move the if (startdate <=3D _.DateTime()) &
> (_.DateTime() <=3D  enddate) condition into the dtml-in ....
> Or replace thedtml-in with ZopeFind or something else ....
>
> Is it possible to but everything I need into a dtml-in or a ZopeFind?
> As it looks to me - I can not add the if condition to the dtml-in - on
> the other  hand I don't see how to sort the result of an ZopeFind ...
>
> But hopefully I am still a little blind and someone can help - Thanks
>
> Kai
>
> --
> Institut f=FCr Seeverkehrswirtschaft und Logistik   http://www.isl.org/
> Dipl.-Inform. Kai Hofmann                       mailto:hofmann@isl.org
> Universitaetsallee GW1 Block A                   phone:+49 421 22096-83
> D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55
>
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From cg@cdegroot.com  Thu May  3 20:48:03 2001
From: cg@cdegroot.com (Cees de Groot)
Date: 3 May 2001 21:48:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Virtual HostMonster article
References: <036701c0d393$886138a0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net> <KNEFIIDHENFCFDCOJOJKEEGBCMAA.jpeterso@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <9csclj$nqg$1@home.cdegroot.com>

I've went one step further and built a little product that basically is a
catalog-aware folder that asks for a sitename in the manage_add form.
www.foo.com is converted into www_foo_com as the id (with www.foo.com as the
title) on creation, and the thing adds itself to a "sites" catalog in the root
folder that is used by an Access Rule to do virtual hosting. 

The advantage is that I don't have to go through any manual setup thingies in
order to activate virtual hosts - a big advantage because I got a stack of
dealers writing websites on our server and I don't want to play their typing
clerk :-). 

Just Yet Another Way to handle it...

(oh, and not having to play clerk comes out cheaper than saving a bit on an
extra server ;-))

Jeff Peterson <jpeterso@the-bridge.net> said:
>I see both good and bad based on perspective.  On one hand, and correct me
>if I am wrong, he handles the whole of virtual hosting in Zope.  I have not
>really thought of the benefits of this other than not needing apache or IIS
>et al, to do virtual hosting.  On the other hand, using apache has benefits
>that I can see.  First, using proxypass and site root is exceedingly simple
>once you know how to use it, you modify the apache conf file and add a site
>root object in Zope, no extra coding.  With this method you have to deal
>with the hostname on your own, write the code and deal with the
>contingencies.  Also, you can easily use apache to cache high overhead items
>and have apache serve them instead of Zope.
>



From kyroraz@usa.net  Thu May  3 21:03:08 2001
From: kyroraz@usa.net (Jason Joy)
Date: 3 May 2001 13:03:08 MST
Subject: [Zope] Re: Product Creation and Permission
Message-ID: <20010503200308.11724.qmail@nwcst318.netaddress.usa.net>

I dropped the __ac_permissions__ as well as made some changes per your
recommendations and got a fundamental change.  Thanks for your input into=

this.  Other things are going on, however, that I don't quite understand:=


To set up a small example of what I am doing, I am making a Object in Zop=
e
called "Fish" that is an instance of A.  In the SQL database that is inde=
xed
with Fish is Red Snapper, Trout, and Haddock.  So, by clicking on Fish I =
get a
management screen that shows each one of these fish.

Instead of getting another management screen when I select a specific fis=
h, I
get the index_html of the folder.

All the links in the Fish folder go to:
=2E./Inventory/Fish/Trout/manage_workspace, so that part is okay...  It's=
 just
not going to another management screen.  Interestingly, _getOb in A is ca=
lled
twice during this whole procedure.

Jason



Casey Duncan <cduncan@kaivo.com> wrote:
> The other thing I now notice is that you are mixing the old security
> model with __ac_permissions__ with the new one "classSecurityInfo".
> =

> This is likely confusing Zope. Drop the __ac_permissions__ stuff.
> =

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> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
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From scott@launchpoint.net  Thu May  3 22:23:00 2001
From: scott@launchpoint.net (Scott)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:23:00 -0800
Subject: [Zope] Strange ODB/folder problem
Message-ID: <B7170C34.163F%scott@launchpoint.net>

I have about 300 folder objects in my ODB. Running 2.1.6 on Linux. One (and
maybe more) of the folders are not accessable by top-level admin or manager.
And by not accessable I mean, I can't go into it, if I try to read its
object values I am prompted to login and I get an unauthorized error. If I
try to delete it I get the following error and traceback:

Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: attribute-less object (assign or del)

TraceBack: Traceback (innermost last): File
/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 165, in
publish File /usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line
160, in mapply (Object: manage_delObjects) File
/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 102, in
call_object (Object: manage_delObjects) File
/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 401, in
manage_delObjects (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions) File
/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 273, in
_delObject (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions) File
/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 268, in
manage_beforeDelete (Object: ElementWithAttributes) File
/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 268, in
manage_beforeDelete (Object: ElementWithAttributes) File
/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 268, in
manage_beforeDelete (Object: ElementWithAttributes) File
/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/Products/ZDBase/ZDiscussions.py, line
195, in manage_beforeDelete (Object: 971638688) TypeError: attribute-less
object (assign or del)


Thanks!

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From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Thu May  3 21:31:50 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:31:50 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Apache/Zope: methods for serving high traffic?
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2E5@desi2>

Hey all,

I need some deployment advice. After 2 years of doing relatively small stuff
in Zope - mainly low volume apps, intranet stuff - I am at a point where a
very high-traffic-volume application is about to be deployed, and I am left
wondering what the best means of web-server integration is for high-traffic
applications?

In a nutshell, here is my set up: traffic comes in through a layer 4
load-balancer that directs traffic to 2 squid http accelerators (Sun E250s +
1GB RAM + Debian/Sparc/Linux 2.4), which proxy (with a simple perl script as
a redirector or poor person's load balancer) to a farm of two web servers
(VA Linux 1220 PIII/800 1CPU 512MB), which are running Apache and will be
running Zope using Client storage.  I have a temporary database sever that
is a Sun Netra T1 105 (UltraSparc IIe 440MHz, 256MB, 10kRPM LVD SCSI disks,
Debian unstable), and will acting in temporary capacity as a ZEO ZSS using
FileStorage.  Zope will be running using a VHM for virtual hosts.

The initial application running on Zope for our site is going to be an
online Classified Ad system; we are a Top 20 newspaper in a sizeable market
with a lot of traffic; classifieds is a good chunk of our Monday traffic,
and our app needs to scale to anticipate traffic of up to 50,000 page views
an hour, all served from Zope, with about 3/4 of all page views being a
ZCatalog query (search or browse, everything is done with a catalog).  So,
with perhaps 37,000 catalog queries an hour (or 10-15/sec), I want to make
sure I set up my infrastructure to handle this.  I feel that the CPU usage
associated with the queries will be handled by our 2 new web servers just
fine.  I'm going to be setting up a cache manager for my entire site
hierarchy, so I also am comfortable with the idea that all my images will be
cached on the Squid boxes in front of the servers.  I still have a few
questions remaining in my head:

1 - Will my temporary ZSS box handle this (1CPU, 256MB)?  The ODB will
likely contain at most, 20,000 small object instances, most of which are
subclassed from OFS:Folder.  My more permanent ZSS box is a Sun E450 with
1GB Ram that will be running Linux, and I'm sure that that will be an
improvement, but that box is being used for something else, and isn't
available now.

2 - How do catalog queries get cached in the cache managers?  Is it likely
that a simple query (like 'browsing' a section of ads through a catalog
query) will be cached?  If I was to guess, I would think that 1/3 of all
traffic is likely going to be esoteric searches that are not really useful
to cache.

3 - So far, I can think of 3 ways to present my Zope apps to the public:
	a.
[REQUEST]->(LOADBALANCER)->(SQUID+REDIRECTOR)->(APACHE)->(ZSERVER)
	b.
[REQUEST]->(LOADBALANCER)->(SQUID+REDIRECTOR)->(APACHE)->(PCGI)->(ZOPE)
	c. [REQUEST]->(LOADBALANCER)->(SQUID+REDIRECTOR)->(ZSERVER)

I am included to do c, but if that doesn't work out, what is anyone's
experience working with a vs. b (in terms of PCGI vs. PROXY to ZServer)?

Any feedback would be REALLY appreciated.  One I get this in place, I would
be happy to reciprocate with advice for anyone else in a similar
situation...

Thanks,
Sean

=========================
Sean Upton
Senior Programmer/Analyst
SignOnSanDiego.com
The San Diego Union-Tribune
619.718.5241
sean.upton@uniontrib.com
=========================


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Thu May  3 21:38:16 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:38:16 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Virtual HostMonster article
Message-ID: <004e01c0d410$fbbe6ca0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

Thanks for the VHM feedback everyone..

"Cees de Groot" <cg@cdegroot.com> wrote in message
news:9csclj$nqg$1@home.cdegroot.com...
> I've went one step further and built a little product that basically is a
> catalog-aware folder that asks for a sitename in the manage_add form.
> www.foo.com is converted into www_foo_com as the id (with www.foo.com as
the
> title) on creation, and the thing adds itself to a "sites" catalog in the
root
> folder that is used by an Access Rule to do virtual hosting.

That sound just like what I am looking for.. and for similar reasons.
Is your product posted anywhere?

./JASON
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From dave@kovach.com  Thu May  3 21:40:22 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 3 May 2001 13:40:22 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope as Portal Server
Message-ID: <20010503204022.3288.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Hi -

Was researching something for work and was curious if anyone had any thoughts as to how ZOPE could be used as a PORTAL SERVER? 

Portals being all the craze(!) in the enterprise-land - seems as if ZOPE or even cooler a "vertical" version of ZOPE geared towards specifically the needs of deploying and maintaining an Enterprise portal...

Any thoughts on the topic? or on the topic of ZOPE in the enterprise? or on the topic of Vertical versions of the ZOPE application?

Sincerely,

David Kovach
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May  3 21:50:30 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 22:50:30 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJIEPGCIAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <1087752900.988930230@BUZZER>

Hi Marc,

its simply:

<dtml-with "web_client('http://server/',x='a',y='b')">
<dtml-var body>
</dtml-with>

in your case :)
x and y go into this **kw argument. If this is set,
webclient uses POST.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain.

--On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 20:45 +0200 Marc Fischer <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:

> Hi Tino,
>
> I think, thats it, what I am looking for. Your Example works fine so far.
> But my understanding in python I so low, that I am not able change it in
> my needed way. Perhabs you could tell me how to realize this:
>
> <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> <input type=submit>
> </form>
>
> and show me how to get the source of the result page?! :-)
>
> I would be very happy, ... thanx a lot ...
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im Auftrag von Tino
>> Wildenhain
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 15:37
>> An: Marc Fischer; Danny William Adair; Paula Mangas
>> Cc: zope@zope.org
>> Betreff: Re: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
>>
>>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> zope has a "client" deep in its core :)
>> See lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py
>> for more info.
>>
>> I currently use a external method like this:
>>
>> > from ZPublisher import Client
>>
>> def web_client(url = '', username = None, password = None, **kw):
>>      '''access http servers'''
>>      class gen_res:
>>          __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__=1
>>      f=gen_res()
>>      if kw:
>>          f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password,kw)
>>      else:
>>          f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password)
>>      return(f)
>>
>>
>> And use it like this:
>>
>> <dtml-with "web_client('http://server/uri')">
>> <dtml-var body>
>> </dtml-with>
>>
>> In Client.py are also methods and functions to map arguments
>> to a POST request as you wish.
>>
>> I think, the above could be a starting point for you.
>>
>> HTH
>> Tino Wildenhain
>>
>> --On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 12:12 +0200 Marc Fischer
>> <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Danny,
>> >
>> > first of all thank you for your detailed help!!! That is
>> nearly, what I am
>> > looking for, but one problem exists:
>> > The page I want to extract (you are right ... its on an external
>> > server) does not work with passing the variables in the url. I mean ...
>> >
>> > http://server?x=a&y=b does not work.
>> >
>> > I need to do it with a form like:
>> >
>> > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
>> > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>> > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>> > <input type=submit>
>> > </form>
>> >
>> > That's my big big problem. Btw, ... its legal :-)))
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> >> Von: Danny William Adair [mailto:Danny@Adair.net]
>> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 01:26
>> >> An: Marc Fischer; Paula Mangas
>> >> Cc: zope@zope.org
>> >> Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Marc,
>> >>
>> >> When you submit a form to one of your DTML methods or
>> documents, all the
>> >> form variables will be available without any further work to be done
>> >> (REQUEST object, see docs). But if I get you right, you are not
>> >> submitting your form to a method of your own. So things are a bit
>> >> different here.
>> >>
>> >> As I understand it, you are submitting your form to someone
>> else's server
>> >> (since otherwise you would produce the output yourself). Maybe you're
>> >> providing an input form that is directed to a search engine,
>> or something
>> >> similar.
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------
>> >> <form action="http://server" method=POST>
>> >> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>> >> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>> >>
>> >> <input type="text" name="myInput">
>> >>
>> >> <input type=submit>
>> >> </form>
>> >> --------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> If so, then you should take a look at the "KebasData" Product:
>> >> http://www.zope.org/Members/kedai/KebasData
>> >>
>> >> Just instantiate a KebasData object, let's say "results". Take a
>> >> look at the
>> >> product's documentation to see how you can extract the
>> relevant code from
>> >> the external server's result page. I'll try to get you started right
>> >> away:
>> >>
>> >> Set the regular expression patterns properly, start with
>> >>
>> >> .*
>> >>
>> >> as the search pattern and leave the rest blank ("url" will be set
>> >> by a DTML
>> >> method you create, see below), then you'll get the entire
>> >> external page, you
>> >> can change that later to fit your needs.
>> >>
>> >> Then create a DTML method next to it, lets say "getResults". It could
>> >> look like this:
>> >>
>> >> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
>> >> <h2>RESULTS</h3>
>> >> <dtml-with results>
>> >>   <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('new_url', 'http://server?search=' +
>> myInput)">
>> >>   <dtml-call "get_matched(new_url)">
>> >>   <dtml-in match>
>> >>     <dtml-var result><br/>
>> >>   </dtml-in>
>> >> </dtml-with>
>> >> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
>> >>
>> >> This will fetch the page you want to display by calling
>> >> "get_matched(new_url)", you construct that new_url dynamically, using
>> >> your form variable "myInput". Then it iterates through the results
>> >> list and spits
>> >> out the parts that matched your query, appending a <br/> after
>> each match
>> >> (if you started with .* as the pattern, the list will only
>> have one item,
>> >> holding the complete page).
>> >>
>> >> Oh, right: your DTML method should have a proxy role that has the
>> >> right to "change KebasData" (or maybe even "View
>> >> management_screens"?) on the KebasData object "results", since it
>> >> calls its function
>> >> "get_matched", which
>> >> is usually only called by clicking "Initialize!" in the
>> >> management screen of
>> >> the KebasData object.
>> >>
>> >> Now you just send your form to "getResults" (instead of the
>> >> external server
>> >> directly), and let your DTML method do the rest:
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------
>> >> <form action="getResults" method=POST>
>> >> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>> >> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>> >>
>> >> <input type="text" name="myInput">
>> >>
>> >> <input type=submit>
>> >> </form>
>> >> --------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Later, you could put the "getResults" code in a python script,
>> then it's
>> >> easier to do further processing with your fetched data.
>> >>
>> >> hth,
>> >> Danny
>> >>
>> >> P.S.: Check the legal stuff before extracting other people's pages ;-)
>> >>
>> >> >>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> >> >>> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
>> >> Auftrag von Marc
>> >> >>> Fischer
>> >> >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 11.43p
>> >> >>> An: Paula Mangas; Marc Fischer
>> >> >>> Cc: zope@zope.org
>> >> >>> Betreff: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hi,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I think there was an understanding problem. I want to get the
>> >> >>> source code of
>> >> >>> the result that is displayed in the browser, after klicking on
>> >> >>> the submit
>> >> >>> button. I want to be able to handle this source perhabs to create
>> >> >>> a dtmlmethod wiht it, or do some string extractions with it.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> >> >>> > Von: Paula Mangas [mailto:pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt]
>> >> >>> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 13:25
>> >> >>> > An: Marc Fischer
>> >> >>> > Cc: zope@zope.org
>> >> >>> > Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc Fischer wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > > Hi,
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > I want to get the HTML result from a form into a dtml method.
>> >> >>> > So I need a
>> >> >>> > > way to handle this result, but HOW.
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > The form ist like this:
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
>> >> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>> >> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>> >> >>> > > <input type=submit>
>> >> >>> > > </form>
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > If I klick on submit, I get the result displayed in the
>> >> >>> Browser, but I
>> >> >>> > > cannot work with it.
>> >> >>> > > Perhaps someone could help me???
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Hi,
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I think that, if you try
>> >> >>> > <form action="http://server/the_method_you_want_to_call"
>> >> method=POST>
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > it will work.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Paula
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
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From dave@kovach.com  Thu May  3 21:54:20 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 3 May 2001 13:54:20 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope as Portal Server
Message-ID: <20010503205420.20522.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Also,

Another way to think of this is using ZOPE as an integration layer between many different enterprise applications via the web.

Its great at Content Management (a Portal of sorts)
and other intended uses - seems like its functionality could be geared around the above too. You then have total control of an enterprises web-offerings to public, employees, vendors all in one place too.

Thoughts?


Sincerely,

David Kovach
dave@kovach.com


On Thu, 03 May 2001, dave@kovach.com wrote:

> 
> Hi -
> 
> Was researching something for work and was curious if anyone had any thoughts as to how ZOPE could be used as a PORTAL SERVER? 
> 
> Portals being all the craze(!) in the enterprise-land - seems as if ZOPE or even cooler a "vertical" version of ZOPE geared towards specifically the needs of deploying and maintaining an Enterprise portal...
> 
> Any thoughts on the topic? or on the topic of ZOPE in the enterprise? or on the topic of Vertical versions of the ZOPE application?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> David Kovach
> dave@kovach.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From alet@unice.fr  Thu May  3 22:02:13 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:02:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
In-Reply-To: <873dam5kva.fsf_-_@joyful.com>; from simon@joyful.com on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:48:57AM -0700
References: <7zpudq1u6k.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr> <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503151310.32539B-100000@cortex.unice.fr> <7zelu6plzh.wl@maryse.iutc3.unicaen.fr.iutc3.unicaen.fr> <878zke5roa.fsf@joyful.com> <20010503202138.B479@nordine.ateur> <873dam5kva.fsf_-_@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <20010503230213.A476@nordine.ateur>

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:48:57AM -0700, Simon Michael wrote:
> Jerome Alet <alet@unice.fr> writes:
> > however it doesn't seem to work with your url. I confirm it works
> > fine at home.
> 
> What doesn't work ? I was hacking on it.. 

It works fine now, sorry.

> > Another thing you've missed is that its powerfulness resides in its
> > ability to deal with multiple commands, that's why the original form
> > was a textarea, e.g.:
> 
> Didn't miss it, just preferred a text input because it reduces my
> mousing effort in netscape. I tweaked your code to allow multiple
> commands on a line (at http://zwiki.org/TestPage).

I've seen and I'll probably include it in the main code.
 
> What do you think about adding a "Run Zshell Commands" permission as
> an extra level of configurability for this mode of interaction ?

No problem, just tell me how to do that, I'm not a Zope permission master 
at all.

FYI I've rewritten the little thing as an external method, 
here's what works now:

	cd, pwd
	ls
	cp, mv, rm
	cut, copy, paste
	import
	restart
	pack
	save, discard (versions, but still untested)
	chown (even with -R, doesn't work yet but I'm on it just now)
 
I expect to have the man command work tomorrow or later this evening,
as well as some more commands, and then I'll upload it somewhere for
people to test.

Note to DC folks: if only manage_restart didn't redirected to
manage_main but to URL0 !!!

bye,

Jerome Alet


From CapesiusA@Sysmex.com  Thu May  3 22:25:06 2001
From: CapesiusA@Sysmex.com (Capesius, Alan)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:25:06 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Xron not firing reliably
Message-ID: <52357C028418D411B45200508BA5539545FB39@SYSEXCHG>

I'm using a sendmail operation in three identical xron methods.
The events are scheduled for 12:00:00 each day. 
They can be triggered manually or scheduled for other times, but they do not
fire reliably over time.
That is, they will work the first and maybe second time but will not fire
repeatedly over several days.
No output goes to the STUPID_LOG_FILE when this happens.

Restarting the Zope service will activate the unfired events and log them.

Anyone have any ideas on what might be going on or not going on here?

I'm currently running a test with a simple test logging event that fires
every minute to see if it will eventually break down.


Thanks,


Alan Capesius, MCSE/NTCIP+20
Technical Support Engineer
Sysmex Corporation of America
capesiusa@sysmex.com



From mauricio@catho.com.br  Thu May  3 22:44:49 2001
From: mauricio@catho.com.br (Mauricio Souza Lima)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:44:49 -0300
Subject: [Zope] Apache/Zope: methods for serving high traffic?
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2E5@desi2>
Message-ID: <3AF1D151.E569C247@yahoo.com.br>

Hi sean, i will try to help you whith i can.

  I think that the option c is realy the best one, i personaly dont like
pcgi because it's too slow, i believe that in the battle a vs b, i
choose a because they work by threads and is faster than pcgi. If the
request method to the ZCatalog pages be GET, then squid will cache the
response for you, just set the headers.

Good Luck!

-- 
Mauricio Souza Lima
WebDeveloper - Catho ONLINE
mauricio@catho.com.br www.catho.com.br
mauriciosl@yahoo.com.br

sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> I need some deployment advice. After 2 years of doing relatively small stuff
> in Zope - mainly low volume apps, intranet stuff - I am at a point where a
> very high-traffic-volume application is about to be deployed, and I am left
> wondering what the best means of web-server integration is for high-traffic
> applications?
> 
> In a nutshell, here is my set up: traffic comes in through a layer 4
> load-balancer that directs traffic to 2 squid http accelerators (Sun E250s +
> 1GB RAM + Debian/Sparc/Linux 2.4), which proxy (with a simple perl script as
> a redirector or poor person's load balancer) to a farm of two web servers
> (VA Linux 1220 PIII/800 1CPU 512MB), which are running Apache and will be
> running Zope using Client storage.  I have a temporary database sever that
> is a Sun Netra T1 105 (UltraSparc IIe 440MHz, 256MB, 10kRPM LVD SCSI disks,
> Debian unstable), and will acting in temporary capacity as a ZEO ZSS using
> FileStorage.  Zope will be running using a VHM for virtual hosts.
> 
> The initial application running on Zope for our site is going to be an
> online Classified Ad system; we are a Top 20 newspaper in a sizeable market
> with a lot of traffic; classifieds is a good chunk of our Monday traffic,
> and our app needs to scale to anticipate traffic of up to 50,000 page views
> an hour, all served from Zope, with about 3/4 of all page views being a
> ZCatalog query (search or browse, everything is done with a catalog).  So,
> with perhaps 37,000 catalog queries an hour (or 10-15/sec), I want to make
> sure I set up my infrastructure to handle this.  I feel that the CPU usage
> associated with the queries will be handled by our 2 new web servers just
> fine.  I'm going to be setting up a cache manager for my entire site
> hierarchy, so I also am comfortable with the idea that all my images will be
> cached on the Squid boxes in front of the servers.  I still have a few
> questions remaining in my head:
> 
> 1 - Will my temporary ZSS box handle this (1CPU, 256MB)?  The ODB will
> likely contain at most, 20,000 small object instances, most of which are
> subclassed from OFS:Folder.  My more permanent ZSS box is a Sun E450 with
> 1GB Ram that will be running Linux, and I'm sure that that will be an
> improvement, but that box is being used for something else, and isn't
> available now.
> 
> 2 - How do catalog queries get cached in the cache managers?  Is it likely
> that a simple query (like 'browsing' a section of ads through a catalog
> query) will be cached?  If I was to guess, I would think that 1/3 of all
> traffic is likely going to be esoteric searches that are not really useful
> to cache.
> 
> 3 - So far, I can think of 3 ways to present my Zope apps to the public:
>         a.
> [REQUEST]->(LOADBALANCER)->(SQUID+REDIRECTOR)->(APACHE)->(ZSERVER)
>         b.
> [REQUEST]->(LOADBALANCER)->(SQUID+REDIRECTOR)->(APACHE)->(PCGI)->(ZOPE)
>         c. [REQUEST]->(LOADBALANCER)->(SQUID+REDIRECTOR)->(ZSERVER)
> 
> I am included to do c, but if that doesn't work out, what is anyone's
> experience working with a vs. b (in terms of PCGI vs. PROXY to ZServer)?
> 
> Any feedback would be REALLY appreciated.  One I get this in place, I would
> be happy to reciprocate with advice for anyone else in a similar
> situation...
> 
> Thanks,
> Sean
> 
> =========================
> Sean Upton
> Senior Programmer/Analyst
> SignOnSanDiego.com
> The San Diego Union-Tribune
> 619.718.5241
> sean.upton@uniontrib.com
> =========================
> 
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From erik@pacific-shores.com  Thu May  3 22:49:48 2001
From: erik@pacific-shores.com (Erik Myllymaki)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:49:48 -0700
Subject: [Zope] loginmanager NameError
Message-ID: <004701c0d41a$f9bc0160$0b01a8c0@erm>

I am following the HOWTO at:
http://www.zope.org/Members/jok/SQL_based_LoginManager

I think I have done everything as directed, but I get a name error when
trying to access the folder with the new LoginManager inside for the first
time.

I have written a teststub to check which method causes the error and it
turns out they all do - they can't find the zSQL methods even though they
are in the same folder:

Error type: NameError
Error Value: SQL_check_user

Any advice appreciated.

Erik Myllymaki
erik@pacific-shores.com




From kyroraz@usa.net  Thu May  3 22:51:03 2001
From: kyroraz@usa.net (Jason Joy)
Date: 3 May 2001 14:51:03 MST
Subject: [Zope] Re: Product Creation and Permission]
Message-ID: <20010503215103.25430.qmail@nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net>

I also found this interesting.

In a regular vanilla DTML document, if you put this in:

<dtml-var "REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER']">

You'll get something like this back:

jj

However, in method B of my Product, when it goes to the index_html for th=
e
product, and I put in the above, I get this back:

Site Error
An error was encountered while publishing this resource. =


exceptions.TypeError

Sorry, a site error occurred.

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, =
in
publish_module
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, =
in
publish
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, =
in
publish
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, i=
n
mapply
    (Object: index_html)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, =
in
call_object
    (Object: index_html)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 127, in=

__call__
    (Object: index_html)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, li=
ne
538, in __call__
    (Object: index_html)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line=
 334,
in eval
    (Object: REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER'])
    (Info: REQUEST)
  File <string>, line 0, in ?
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line=
 161,
in careful_getitem
TypeError: sequence index must be integer

Which I think is directly related to what I am experiencing with getting =
the
manage_main.

Jason


> The other thing I now notice is that you are mixing the old security
> model with __ac_permissions__ with the new one "classSecurityInfo".
> =

> This is likely confusing Zope. Drop the __ac_permissions__ stuff.
> =

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> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
> `------------------>
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From lstafford@morphics.com  Thu May  3 23:26:14 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:26:14 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Xron not firing reliably
In-Reply-To: <52357C028418D411B45200508BA5539545FB39@SYSEXCHG>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICCEAOGGAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

The Xron Dispatcher always makes a log entry (or tries to) when it finds a
ready event in the Schedule catalog and tries to fire it. If there are no
log entries when you expect them, I can think of the following possible
explanations:

1. There is a catalog bug. Some bugs were introduced and fixed in recent
Zope releases. Make sure you have all the patches.

2. The method was removed from the catalog due to an error during an earlier
trigger. This should leave an earlier entry in the log.

3. The method was not rescheduled after the last firing. This would probably
be due to application logic.

I hope that will give you a good idea of where to look for the problem.

Xron DTML Methods that are not in the Schedule can usually be restarted
without restarting Zope. Just pretend to do an edit operation by clicking on
the Change button on the manage_edit panel. That will cause recataloging in
the Schedule. You may or may not have to change the scheduling parameters
first.

I would avoid scheduling a lot of events for the same time. It shouldn't
cause any problems, but you never know. Xron will serialize them anyway.

What platform are you running on? I've found on my NT4 platform that
occasionally Client.py gets a socket error (for reasons I haven't discovered
yet), causing the trigger process to fault and resulting in removal of the
method from the Schedule. You might see some tracks with the Event Viewer --
but I don't know much about that.

-- HTH
-- Loren

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> Capesius, Alan
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 14:25
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Xron not firing reliably
>
>
> I'm using a sendmail operation in three identical xron methods.
> The events are scheduled for 12:00:00 each day.
> They can be triggered manually or scheduled for other times, but
> they do not
> fire reliably over time.
> That is, they will work the first and maybe second time but will not fire
> repeatedly over several days.
> No output goes to the STUPID_LOG_FILE when this happens.
>
> Restarting the Zope service will activate the unfired events and log them.
>
> Anyone have any ideas on what might be going on or not going on here?
>
> I'm currently running a test with a simple test logging event that fires
> every minute to see if it will eventually break down.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Alan Capesius, MCSE/NTCIP+20
> Technical Support Engineer
> Sysmex Corporation of America
> capesiusa@sysmex.com
>
>
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From cbeaumon@msri.org  Thu May  3 23:17:51 2001
From: cbeaumon@msri.org (Chris Beaumont)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:17:51 -0700
Subject: [Zope] #include with DocumentTemplate?
In-Reply-To: <200105031711.NAA23452@birds.us.itd.umich.edu>
References: <200105031711.NAA23452@birds.us.itd.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <p05010400b717888f8d8b@[192.168.1.2]>

Lance,

Do you mean <dtml-var "myDTMLmethodtobeincluded"> ?

Of course, any DTML method will be parsed when the page is viewed, 
using its context, not rendered into a static file beforehand.. 
that's the single biggest plus to using Zope, I think..

:)

HTH,
Chris


>I'm fairly new to Python and when I asked this question on a couple of
>the python.org mailing lists, I was told I should probably ask here
>instead.
>
>I'm writing some CGIs in Python and I borrowed the DocumentTemplate
>module from Zope because it does most of what I need.  However, there's
>one thing that it apparently doesn't do that I would really like.  And
>that would be to use "#include" tags to read in other DTML documents
>and parse them.  That is, tags like this:
>
>	<!--#include name="header.dtml" -->
>
>Does DocumentTemplate already handle that?  I couldn't find it in the
>documentation.
>
>If it's not already built-in, is it possible to add such a tag?  I've
>seen the examples on zope.org for adding tags to DocumentTemplate's
>parser, but I don't know if its possible to get it to read a new file
>and parse it in the middle of parsing another template.  Has anybody
>already implemented this?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>


From cg@cdegroot.com  Thu May  3 23:52:46 2001
From: cg@cdegroot.com (Cees de Groot)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 00:52:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Virtual HostMonster article
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 03 May 2001 16:38:16 EDT."
 <004e01c0d410$fbbe6ca0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <200105032252.f43Mqkv26351@home.cdegroot.com>

jasonic@nomadicsltd.com said:
> That sound just like what I am looking for.. and for similar reasons.
> Is your product posted anywhere?

Nope. When things get quieter here, I'm planning to separate out a bunch of 
goodies I wrote the last half year and post them, but at the moment I'm too 
busy for that.

It's not that it is much code:

#
#  $Id: VirtualHostFolder.py,v 1.2 2001/05/03 13:24:04 cg Exp $
#
from Globals import HTMLFile
from OFS import Folder
from Products.ZCatalog import CatalogAwareness
from Products.SiteAccess import SiteRoot
import string

class VirtualHostFolder(Folder.Folder, CatalogAwareness.CatalogAware):
    """A virtual host folder"""
 
    meta_type = 'TIO Virtual Host Folder'
 
    def __init__(self, sitename):
        self.id = sitename.lower().replace('.', '_')
        self.title = sitename
        self.default_catalog = 'sites'
 
    def manage_beforeDelete(self, item, container):
        print "Deleting stuffsky..."
        Folder.Folder.manage_beforeDelete(self, item, container)
        self.unindex_object()
 
def manage_add_virtualhostfolder(self, sitename, REQUEST=None, submit=None):
    'Add a Virtual Host Folder'
    o = VirtualHostFolder(sitename)
    self._setObject(o.id, o)
    SiteRoot.manage_addSiteRoot(o)
    getattr(self, o.id).index_object()
 
    if REQUEST is not None:
        self.manage_main(self, REQUEST, update_menu=1)
 
manage_add_virtualhostfolder_form = \
    HTMLFile('manage_add_virtualhostfolder_form', globals())   

--
and using it from an AccessRule:

def vhost(self, REQUEST):
    hostname = string.split(REQUEST['HTTP_HOST'], ':')[0]
    r = self.sites({ 'id': string.replace(hostname, '.', '_')})
    if len(r) == 1:
        path = string.split(r[0].getPath(), '/')[1:]
        path.reverse()
        REQUEST['TraversalRequestNameStack'].extend(path)
        REQUEST.set('SiteRootPATH', '/')
    else:   
        # I look into a SQL database here to do things like business cards
        # and redirects

as you can see, still SiteRoot based. I don't even have the time to subject 
VHM to a decent evaluation yet :=)


-- 
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From marcbpc@gmx.de  Fri May  4 00:30:34 2001
From: marcbpc@gmx.de (Marc Fischer)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 01:30:34 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <1087752900.988930230@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJIEBCCJAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>

Hey, thanks to all of you, that tried to help me.

Finally I had success with the httplib funktion. ... :-)))

Marc



> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im Auftrag von Tino
> Wildenhain
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2001 22:51
> An: Marc Fischer; Danny William Adair; Paula Mangas
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
>
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> its simply:
>
> <dtml-with "web_client('http://server/',x='a',y='b')">
> <dtml-var body>
> </dtml-with>
>
> in your case :)
> x and y go into this **kw argument. If this is set,
> webclient uses POST.
>
> HTH
> Tino Wildenhain.
>
> --On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 20:45 +0200 Marc Fischer
> <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi Tino,
> >
> > I think, thats it, what I am looking for. Your Example works
> fine so far.
> > But my understanding in python I so low, that I am not able change it in
> > my needed way. Perhabs you could tell me how to realize this:
> >
> > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > <input type=submit>
> > </form>
> >
> > and show me how to get the source of the result page?! :-)
> >
> > I would be very happy, ... thanx a lot ...
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
> Auftrag von Tino
> >> Wildenhain
> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 15:37
> >> An: Marc Fischer; Danny William Adair; Paula Mangas
> >> Cc: zope@zope.org
> >> Betreff: Re: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Marc,
> >>
> >> zope has a "client" deep in its core :)
> >> See lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py
> >> for more info.
> >>
> >> I currently use a external method like this:
> >>
> >> > from ZPublisher import Client
> >>
> >> def web_client(url = '', username = None, password = None, **kw):
> >>      '''access http servers'''
> >>      class gen_res:
> >>          __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__=1
> >>      f=gen_res()
> >>      if kw:
> >>          f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password,kw)
> >>      else:
> >>          f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password)
> >>      return(f)
> >>
> >>
> >> And use it like this:
> >>
> >> <dtml-with "web_client('http://server/uri')">
> >> <dtml-var body>
> >> </dtml-with>
> >>
> >> In Client.py are also methods and functions to map arguments
> >> to a POST request as you wish.
> >>
> >> I think, the above could be a starting point for you.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >> Tino Wildenhain
> >>
> >> --On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 12:12 +0200 Marc Fischer
> >> <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Danny,
> >> >
> >> > first of all thank you for your detailed help!!! That is
> >> nearly, what I am
> >> > looking for, but one problem exists:
> >> > The page I want to extract (you are right ... its on an external
> >> > server) does not work with passing the variables in the url.
> I mean ...
> >> >
> >> > http://server?x=a&y=b does not work.
> >> >
> >> > I need to do it with a form like:
> >> >
> >> > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> >> > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> >> > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> >> > <input type=submit>
> >> > </form>
> >> >
> >> > That's my big big problem. Btw, ... its legal :-)))
> >> >
> >> > Marc
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> >> >> Von: Danny William Adair [mailto:Danny@Adair.net]
> >> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 01:26
> >> >> An: Marc Fischer; Paula Mangas
> >> >> Cc: zope@zope.org
> >> >> Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Marc,
> >> >>
> >> >> When you submit a form to one of your DTML methods or
> >> documents, all the
> >> >> form variables will be available without any further work to be done
> >> >> (REQUEST object, see docs). But if I get you right, you are not
> >> >> submitting your form to a method of your own. So things are a bit
> >> >> different here.
> >> >>
> >> >> As I understand it, you are submitting your form to someone
> >> else's server
> >> >> (since otherwise you would produce the output yourself).
> Maybe you're
> >> >> providing an input form that is directed to a search engine,
> >> or something
> >> >> similar.
> >> >>
> >> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> >> <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> >> >> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> >> >> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> >> >>
> >> >> <input type="text" name="myInput">
> >> >>
> >> >> <input type=submit>
> >> >> </form>
> >> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> If so, then you should take a look at the "KebasData" Product:
> >> >> http://www.zope.org/Members/kedai/KebasData
> >> >>
> >> >> Just instantiate a KebasData object, let's say "results". Take a
> >> >> look at the
> >> >> product's documentation to see how you can extract the
> >> relevant code from
> >> >> the external server's result page. I'll try to get you started right
> >> >> away:
> >> >>
> >> >> Set the regular expression patterns properly, start with
> >> >>
> >> >> .*
> >> >>
> >> >> as the search pattern and leave the rest blank ("url" will be set
> >> >> by a DTML
> >> >> method you create, see below), then you'll get the entire
> >> >> external page, you
> >> >> can change that later to fit your needs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then create a DTML method next to it, lets say
> "getResults". It could
> >> >> look like this:
> >> >>
> >> >> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> >> >> <h2>RESULTS</h3>
> >> >> <dtml-with results>
> >> >>   <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('new_url', 'http://server?search=' +
> >> myInput)">
> >> >>   <dtml-call "get_matched(new_url)">
> >> >>   <dtml-in match>
> >> >>     <dtml-var result><br/>
> >> >>   </dtml-in>
> >> >> </dtml-with>
> >> >> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
> >> >>
> >> >> This will fetch the page you want to display by calling
> >> >> "get_matched(new_url)", you construct that new_url
> dynamically, using
> >> >> your form variable "myInput". Then it iterates through the results
> >> >> list and spits
> >> >> out the parts that matched your query, appending a <br/> after
> >> each match
> >> >> (if you started with .* as the pattern, the list will only
> >> have one item,
> >> >> holding the complete page).
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh, right: your DTML method should have a proxy role that has the
> >> >> right to "change KebasData" (or maybe even "View
> >> >> management_screens"?) on the KebasData object "results", since it
> >> >> calls its function
> >> >> "get_matched", which
> >> >> is usually only called by clicking "Initialize!" in the
> >> >> management screen of
> >> >> the KebasData object.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now you just send your form to "getResults" (instead of the
> >> >> external server
> >> >> directly), and let your DTML method do the rest:
> >> >>
> >> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> >> <form action="getResults" method=POST>
> >> >> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> >> >> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> >> >>
> >> >> <input type="text" name="myInput">
> >> >>
> >> >> <input type=submit>
> >> >> </form>
> >> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Later, you could put the "getResults" code in a python script,
> >> then it's
> >> >> easier to do further processing with your fetched data.
> >> >>
> >> >> hth,
> >> >> Danny
> >> >>
> >> >> P.S.: Check the legal stuff before extracting other
> people's pages ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> >>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> >> >> >>> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
> >> >> Auftrag von Marc
> >> >> >>> Fischer
> >> >> >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 11.43p
> >> >> >>> An: Paula Mangas; Marc Fischer
> >> >> >>> Cc: zope@zope.org
> >> >> >>> Betreff: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Hi,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I think there was an understanding problem. I want to get the
> >> >> >>> source code of
> >> >> >>> the result that is displayed in the browser, after klicking on
> >> >> >>> the submit
> >> >> >>> button. I want to be able to handle this source perhabs
> to create
> >> >> >>> a dtmlmethod wiht it, or do some string extractions with it.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> >> >> >>> > Von: Paula Mangas [mailto:pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt]
> >> >> >>> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 13:25
> >> >> >>> > An: Marc Fischer
> >> >> >>> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> >> >> >>> > Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc Fischer wrote:
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > > Hi,
> >> >> >>> > >
> >> >> >>> > > I want to get the HTML result from a form into a
> dtml method.
> >> >> >>> > So I need a
> >> >> >>> > > way to handle this result, but HOW.
> >> >> >>> > >
> >> >> >>> > > The form ist like this:
> >> >> >>> > >
> >> >> >>> > > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> >> >> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> >> >> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> >> >> >>> > > <input type=submit>
> >> >> >>> > > </form>
> >> >> >>> > >
> >> >> >>> > > If I klick on submit, I get the result displayed in the
> >> >> >>> Browser, but I
> >> >> >>> > > cannot work with it.
> >> >> >>> > > Perhaps someone could help me???
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > Hi,
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > I think that, if you try
> >> >> >>> > <form action="http://server/the_method_you_want_to_call"
> >> >> method=POST>
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > it will work.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > Paula
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >>> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
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> >> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
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From lstafford@morphics.com  Fri May  4 01:02:40 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:02:40 -0700
Subject: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJIEBCCJAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICAEBAGGAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

Did you get enough new  material to write a HowTo? "How To Screen Scrape"

-- Loren

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Marc
> Fischer
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 16:31
> To: Tino Wildenhain; Marc Fischer; Danny William Adair; Paula Mangas
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
>
>
> Hey, thanks to all of you, that tried to help me.
>
> Finally I had success with the httplib funktion. ... :-)))
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im Auftrag von Tino
> > Wildenhain
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2001 22:51
> > An: Marc Fischer; Danny William Adair; Paula Mangas
> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
> >
> >
> > Hi Marc,
> >
> > its simply:
> >
> > <dtml-with "web_client('http://server/',x='a',y='b')">
> > <dtml-var body>
> > </dtml-with>
> >
> > in your case :)
> > x and y go into this **kw argument. If this is set,
> > webclient uses POST.
> >
> > HTH
> > Tino Wildenhain.
> >
> > --On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 20:45 +0200 Marc Fischer
> > <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Tino,
> > >
> > > I think, thats it, what I am looking for. Your Example works
> > fine so far.
> > > But my understanding in python I so low, that I am not able
> change it in
> > > my needed way. Perhabs you could tell me how to realize this:
> > >
> > > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> > > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > > <input type=submit>
> > > </form>
> > >
> > > and show me how to get the source of the result page?! :-)
> > >
> > > I would be very happy, ... thanx a lot ...
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > >> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
> > Auftrag von Tino
> > >> Wildenhain
> > >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 15:37
> > >> An: Marc Fischer; Danny William Adair; Paula Mangas
> > >> Cc: zope@zope.org
> > >> Betreff: Re: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Marc,
> > >>
> > >> zope has a "client" deep in its core :)
> > >> See lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py
> > >> for more info.
> > >>
> > >> I currently use a external method like this:
> > >>
> > >> > from ZPublisher import Client
> > >>
> > >> def web_client(url = '', username = None, password = None, **kw):
> > >>      '''access http servers'''
> > >>      class gen_res:
> > >>          __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__=1
> > >>      f=gen_res()
> > >>      if kw:
> > >>          f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password,kw)
> > >>      else:
> > >>          f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password)
> > >>      return(f)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> And use it like this:
> > >>
> > >> <dtml-with "web_client('http://server/uri')">
> > >> <dtml-var body>
> > >> </dtml-with>
> > >>
> > >> In Client.py are also methods and functions to map arguments
> > >> to a POST request as you wish.
> > >>
> > >> I think, the above could be a starting point for you.
> > >>
> > >> HTH
> > >> Tino Wildenhain
> > >>
> > >> --On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 12:12 +0200 Marc Fischer
> > >> <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi Danny,
> > >> >
> > >> > first of all thank you for your detailed help!!! That is
> > >> nearly, what I am
> > >> > looking for, but one problem exists:
> > >> > The page I want to extract (you are right ... its on an external
> > >> > server) does not work with passing the variables in the url.
> > I mean ...
> > >> >
> > >> > http://server?x=a&y=b does not work.
> > >> >
> > >> > I need to do it with a form like:
> > >> >
> > >> > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> > >> > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > >> > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > >> > <input type=submit>
> > >> > </form>
> > >> >
> > >> > That's my big big problem. Btw, ... its legal :-)))
> > >> >
> > >> > Marc
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > >> >> Von: Danny William Adair [mailto:Danny@Adair.net]
> > >> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 01:26
> > >> >> An: Marc Fischer; Paula Mangas
> > >> >> Cc: zope@zope.org
> > >> >> Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hi Marc,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> When you submit a form to one of your DTML methods or
> > >> documents, all the
> > >> >> form variables will be available without any further work
> to be done
> > >> >> (REQUEST object, see docs). But if I get you right, you are not
> > >> >> submitting your form to a method of your own. So things are a bit
> > >> >> different here.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> As I understand it, you are submitting your form to someone
> > >> else's server
> > >> >> (since otherwise you would produce the output yourself).
> > Maybe you're
> > >> >> providing an input form that is directed to a search engine,
> > >> or something
> > >> >> similar.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --------------------------------------------
> > >> >> <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> > >> >> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > >> >> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > >> >>
> > >> >> <input type="text" name="myInput">
> > >> >>
> > >> >> <input type=submit>
> > >> >> </form>
> > >> >> --------------------------------------------
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If so, then you should take a look at the "KebasData" Product:
> > >> >> http://www.zope.org/Members/kedai/KebasData
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Just instantiate a KebasData object, let's say "results". Take a
> > >> >> look at the
> > >> >> product's documentation to see how you can extract the
> > >> relevant code from
> > >> >> the external server's result page. I'll try to get you
> started right
> > >> >> away:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Set the regular expression patterns properly, start with
> > >> >>
> > >> >> .*
> > >> >>
> > >> >> as the search pattern and leave the rest blank ("url" will be set
> > >> >> by a DTML
> > >> >> method you create, see below), then you'll get the entire
> > >> >> external page, you
> > >> >> can change that later to fit your needs.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Then create a DTML method next to it, lets say
> > "getResults". It could
> > >> >> look like this:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> > >> >> <h2>RESULTS</h3>
> > >> >> <dtml-with results>
> > >> >>   <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('new_url', 'http://server?search=' +
> > >> myInput)">
> > >> >>   <dtml-call "get_matched(new_url)">
> > >> >>   <dtml-in match>
> > >> >>     <dtml-var result><br/>
> > >> >>   </dtml-in>
> > >> >> </dtml-with>
> > >> >> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> This will fetch the page you want to display by calling
> > >> >> "get_matched(new_url)", you construct that new_url
> > dynamically, using
> > >> >> your form variable "myInput". Then it iterates through the results
> > >> >> list and spits
> > >> >> out the parts that matched your query, appending a <br/> after
> > >> each match
> > >> >> (if you started with .* as the pattern, the list will only
> > >> have one item,
> > >> >> holding the complete page).
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Oh, right: your DTML method should have a proxy role that has the
> > >> >> right to "change KebasData" (or maybe even "View
> > >> >> management_screens"?) on the KebasData object "results", since it
> > >> >> calls its function
> > >> >> "get_matched", which
> > >> >> is usually only called by clicking "Initialize!" in the
> > >> >> management screen of
> > >> >> the KebasData object.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Now you just send your form to "getResults" (instead of the
> > >> >> external server
> > >> >> directly), and let your DTML method do the rest:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --------------------------------------------
> > >> >> <form action="getResults" method=POST>
> > >> >> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > >> >> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > >> >>
> > >> >> <input type="text" name="myInput">
> > >> >>
> > >> >> <input type=submit>
> > >> >> </form>
> > >> >> --------------------------------------------
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Later, you could put the "getResults" code in a python script,
> > >> then it's
> > >> >> easier to do further processing with your fetched data.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> hth,
> > >> >> Danny
> > >> >>
> > >> >> P.S.: Check the legal stuff before extracting other
> > people's pages ;-)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > >> >> >>> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
> > >> >> Auftrag von Marc
> > >> >> >>> Fischer
> > >> >> >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 11.43p
> > >> >> >>> An: Paula Mangas; Marc Fischer
> > >> >> >>> Cc: zope@zope.org
> > >> >> >>> Betreff: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> Hi,
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> I think there was an understanding problem. I want to get the
> > >> >> >>> source code of
> > >> >> >>> the result that is displayed in the browser, after klicking on
> > >> >> >>> the submit
> > >> >> >>> button. I want to be able to handle this source perhabs
> > to create
> > >> >> >>> a dtmlmethod wiht it, or do some string extractions with it.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > >> >> >>> > Von: Paula Mangas [mailto:pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt]
> > >> >> >>> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 13:25
> > >> >> >>> > An: Marc Fischer
> > >> >> >>> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> > >> >> >>> > Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
> > >> >> >>> >
> > >> >> >>> >
> > >> >> >>> > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc Fischer wrote:
> > >> >> >>> >
> > >> >> >>> > > Hi,
> > >> >> >>> > >
> > >> >> >>> > > I want to get the HTML result from a form into a
> > dtml method.
> > >> >> >>> > So I need a
> > >> >> >>> > > way to handle this result, but HOW.
> > >> >> >>> > >
> > >> >> >>> > > The form ist like this:
> > >> >> >>> > >
> > >> >> >>> > > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> > >> >> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > >> >> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > >> >> >>> > > <input type=submit>
> > >> >> >>> > > </form>
> > >> >> >>> > >
> > >> >> >>> > > If I klick on submit, I get the result displayed in the
> > >> >> >>> Browser, but I
> > >> >> >>> > > cannot work with it.
> > >> >> >>> > > Perhaps someone could help me???
> > >> >> >>> >
> > >> >> >>> >
> > >> >> >>> > Hi,
> > >> >> >>> >
> > >> >> >>> >
> > >> >> >>> > I think that, if you try
> > >> >> >>> > <form action="http://server/the_method_you_want_to_call"
> > >> >> method=POST>
> > >> >> >>> >
> > >> >> >>> > it will work.
> > >> >> >>> >
> > >> >> >>> > Paula
> > >> >> >>> >
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> >>> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > >> >> >>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
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> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
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> >
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From lsloan@umich.edu  Fri May  4 01:17:53 2001
From: lsloan@umich.edu (Lance E Sloan)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:17:53 -0400
Subject: [Zope] #include with DocumentTemplate?
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 03 May 2001 15:17:51 PDT."
 <p05010400b717888f8d8b@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <200105040017.UAA28383@birds.us.itd.umich.edu>

Chris Beaumont wrote:
> Do you mean <dtml-var "myDTMLmethodtobeincluded"> ?

Hmm.  I don't think so, but then, I don't understand all the features
of DocumentTemplate, so I'm not sure.  Maybe that will do what I want.

I thought that the dtml-var tag was just used to display the value of a
variable.  Does it do more than that?  I assume that by "myDTMLmethod",
you mean that is a variable that you have assigned a method to.  Is
that correct?  (I have a C background, so I would call it a pointer to
a function.)

If that's what you mean, it's not what I was hoping for.  Basically,
I'm looking for something that works just like the SSI '<!--#include
name="filename"-->' tag.  When DocumentTemplate encounters it in one
DTML file, it will read in the specified file, presumably also
containing DTML, and parse it, recursively.

> Of course, any DTML method will be parsed when the page is viewed, 
> using its context, not rendered into a static file beforehand.. 
> that's the single biggest plus to using Zope, I think..

Yes, I agree.

Since I'm new to Python, I don't understand all the terminology yet.
What exactly do you mean by "DTML method"?  My apologies if I'm asking
so many questions that I seem to be a simpleton.  Hopefully I'm not
getting on anybody's nerves.  Yet.

--
Lance E Sloan
Web Services, Univ. of Michigan: Full-service Web and database design,
development, and hosting.  Specializing in Perl & Python CGIs.
http://websvcs.itd.umich.edu/ - "Putting U on the Web"


From andym@ActiveState.com  Fri May  4 01:34:16 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:34:16 -0700
Subject: [Zope] #include with DocumentTemplate?
References: <200105031711.NAA23452@birds.us.itd.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <003101c0d431$f32777f0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> I'm writing some CGIs in Python and I borrowed the DocumentTemplate

So you aren't using Zope and the ZODB in a traditional way. This is just
importing the DocumentTemplate in a python CGI script? If its the latter I
dont know...

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.



From joe@iuveno-net.de  Fri May  4 01:34:36 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 02:34:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope as Portal Server
References: <20010503204022.3288.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <005501c0d431$ff4b8800$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> Was researching something for work and was curious if anyone had any
thoughts as to how ZOPE could be used as a PORTAL SERVER?
>
> Portals being all the craze(!) in the enterprise-land - seems as if ZOPE
or even cooler a "vertical" version of ZOPE geared towards specifically the
needs of deploying and maintaining an Enterprise portal...
>
> Any thoughts on the topic? or on the topic of ZOPE in the enterprise? or
on the topic of Vertical versions of the ZOPE application?

That's one of the things we are trying to build at iuveno now (after finding
out that the "portal" in "Portal Toolkit" meant something else than
"Enterprise Integration Portal").

We already have a couple of ZClass-based implementations for a configurable
portal site, but we are working on porting the stuff to real Python
products.

Joachim.



From randy@spoke.net  Fri May  4 01:36:59 2001
From: randy@spoke.net (Randall F. Kern)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:36:59 -0700
Subject: [Zope] #include with DocumentTemplate?
Message-ID: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE042221@sammamish-dc.spoke.net>

>From you original mail I think you've just pulled the DocumentTemplate
module from Zope, and are using it in your own Python CGI.

Assuming that's the case, you need to write a dtml-include tag to do
this.  It'll be pretty easy, but one doesn't exist out of the box, at
least not that I've ever found.

-Randy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy McKay [mailto:andym@ActiveState.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:34 PM
> To: zope@zope.org; Lance E Sloan
> Subject: Re: [Zope] #include with DocumentTemplate?
>=20
>=20
> > I'm writing some CGIs in Python and I borrowed the DocumentTemplate
>=20
> So you aren't using Zope and the ZODB in a traditional way.=20
> This is just
> importing the DocumentTemplate in a python CGI script? If its=20
> the latter I
> dont know...
>=20
> Cheers.
> --
>   Andy McKay.
>=20
>=20
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From briga@borland.com  Fri May  4 02:05:01 2001
From: briga@borland.com (Ben Riga)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:05:01 -0700
Subject: [Zope] RE: [Zope-CMF] [ANN] CMFLDAP product released
In-Reply-To: <B71249DB.1A4C%jens@dataflake.org>
Message-ID: <EOELKLJMNADGAEJABNCIKEICDGAA.briga@borland.com>

I tried to get this working on a Windows system a while back but was never
able to get all the pieces together.  It appears that the underlying LDAP
objects are primarily available only on Linux.

Now that this is available for CMF I'd like to try this again.  Do you know
of a site where I could get information on setting this up for Windows NT or
2K?

Thanks,
Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-cmf-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-cmf-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
Of Jens Vagelpohl
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 7:45 PM
To: zope-cmf@zope.org
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope-CMF] [ANN] CMFLDAP product released


hi everybody,

CMFLDAP is a standalone python product which replaces the membership tools
in the CMF with LDAP-backend-compatible implementations.

In order to work with an LDAP server it uses the services exposed by the
LDAPLoginAdapter (http://www.dataflake.org/software/ldaploginadapter) and
the LDAPUserManager (http://www.dataflake.org/software/ldapusermanager)
products.

  **Important note**

  The minimum software requirements for this product combo are as follows:

  o Zope 2.3.0 or higher

  o a CMF CVS checkout or release after 4/27/01

  o LDAPLoginAdapter 1.4beta3 or higher

  o LDAPUserManager 1.1beta2 or higher

You can view some of the documentation and download the software at
http://www.dataflake.org/software/cmfldap/.

A Tracker at that same address allows you to easily file bug reports or
feature requests for this product.

jens




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requests



From kedai@kedai.com.my  Fri May  4 02:32:39 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (bak (kedai))
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:32:39 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
In-Reply-To: <3AF16AF1.27D9B327@kaivo.com>
References: <3AF12072.29158.3068FAC8@localhost> <01050315201500.01878@tokey> <3AF16AF1.27D9B327@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <01050409323901.00747@tokey>

>
> Assuming version 2.3, try:
>
> <dtml-in expr="subdir.objectValues()"
> sort_expr="bobo_modification_time()">
>
> since it is a method.
>
> hth,

what's the difference between using sort and sort_expr?  the sort=something 
has been there since forever :) and i have been using it in my codes.  is it 
something bad?

thanks


From joe@iuveno-net.de  Fri May  4 03:20:57 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 04:20:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope] RE: [Zope-CMF] [ANN] CMFLDAP product released
References: <EOELKLJMNADGAEJABNCIKEICDGAA.briga@borland.com>
Message-ID: <001101c0d440$dae04460$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> Now that this is available for CMF I'd like to try this again.  Do you
know
> of a site where I could get information on setting this up for Windows NT
or
> 2K?

You'll definitely need an LDAP server for that. The ActiveDirectory of Win2K
is basically an LDAP server, so it should do what you need. But I have no
idea how to configure the connection strings correctly for 2K. Basic info
can be found here:

http://www.labmice.net/ActiveDirectory/AD_ldap.htm (It's just a google
search result, so maybe there are better resources ...)

Joachim



From nichols@tradingconnections.com  Fri May  4 04:14:01 2001
From: nichols@tradingconnections.com (Dennis Nichols)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 22:14:01 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zope book error or version difference?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010503220336.021d96e0@127.0.0.1>

Zope Book .pdf fetched today says on page 258

>ObjectManager Constructor
>
>manage_addDocument(id, title)
>
>Add a DTML Document to the current ObjectManager

But when I call manage_addDocument from DTML using in Zope 2.2.2, it 
actually adds a DTML Method (!)

However, manage_addDTMLDocument(id, title) does add a DTML Document. Could 
be a change between 2.2.2 and 2.3.x or it could be an error in the book, in 
which case I thought I should point it out. Or maybe I should've skipped 
the beer with dinner.

--
Dennis Nichols
nichols@tradingconnections.com



From augusto@artlover.com  Fri May  4 05:04:23 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 23:04:23 -0500
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
References: <20010503211308.6766.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AF22A47.AED75F3@artlover.com>

You'll find them here:

http://www.zope.org/Members/ausum/interface_enhancements

Please notice that it's not a good idea to replace your core dtml files on 
a permanent basis. Read the warning first.


Ausum



Adrian Madrid wrote:
> 
> --- Ausum <augusto@artlover.com> wrote:
> > I've uploaded pic snapshots hoping to explain them.
> > They're based only in
> > modifications to distribution dtml files, and one
> > python module file. If you
> > want the code
> > I can send it to you, but you'll probably want to
> > take a look first. :)
> >
> > http://www.zope.org/Members/ausum/some_improvements/
> >
> >
> > Ausum
> 
> I'd love to try them. Could you send/post them?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> =====
> ---------------------------
> Adrian Esteban Madrid
> Benson Institute, Webmaster
> Brigham Young University
> ---------------------------
> adrian_esteban@madrid.com
> ===========================
> 
> __________________________________________________
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May  4 05:51:23 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 06:51:23 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJIEBCCJAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <1116605100.988959083@BUZZER>

Hi Marc,

so you had definitively more work then with ZClient ;)
But nice to hear you have it working now ;)

Regards
Tino

--On Freitag, 4. Mai 2001 01:30 +0200 Marc Fischer <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:

> Hey, thanks to all of you, that tried to help me.
>
> Finally I had success with the httplib funktion. ... :-)))
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im Auftrag von Tino
>> Wildenhain
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2001 22:51
>> An: Marc Fischer; Danny William Adair; Paula Mangas
>> Cc: zope@zope.org
>> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
>>
>>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> its simply:
>>
>> <dtml-with "web_client('http://server/',x='a',y='b')">
>> <dtml-var body>
>> </dtml-with>
>>
>> in your case :)
>> x and y go into this **kw argument. If this is set,
>> webclient uses POST.
>>
>> HTH
>> Tino Wildenhain.
>>
>> --On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 20:45 +0200 Marc Fischer
>> <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Tino,
>> >
>> > I think, thats it, what I am looking for. Your Example works
>> fine so far.
>> > But my understanding in python I so low, that I am not able change it
>> > in my needed way. Perhabs you could tell me how to realize this:
>> >
>> > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
>> > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>> > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>> > <input type=submit>
>> > </form>
>> >
>> > and show me how to get the source of the result page?! :-)
>> >
>> > I would be very happy, ... thanx a lot ...
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> >> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
>> Auftrag von Tino
>> >> Wildenhain
>> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 15:37
>> >> An: Marc Fischer; Danny William Adair; Paula Mangas
>> >> Cc: zope@zope.org
>> >> Betreff: Re: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Marc,
>> >>
>> >> zope has a "client" deep in its core :)
>> >> See lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py
>> >> for more info.
>> >>
>> >> I currently use a external method like this:
>> >>
>> >> > from ZPublisher import Client
>> >>
>> >> def web_client(url = '', username = None, password = None, **kw):
>> >>      '''access http servers'''
>> >>      class gen_res:
>> >>          __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__=1
>> >>      f=gen_res()
>> >>      if kw:
>> >>          f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password,kw)
>> >>      else:
>> >>          f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password)
>> >>      return(f)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> And use it like this:
>> >>
>> >> <dtml-with "web_client('http://server/uri')">
>> >> <dtml-var body>
>> >> </dtml-with>
>> >>
>> >> In Client.py are also methods and functions to map arguments
>> >> to a POST request as you wish.
>> >>
>> >> I think, the above could be a starting point for you.
>> >>
>> >> HTH
>> >> Tino Wildenhain
>> >>
>> >> --On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 12:12 +0200 Marc Fischer
>> >> <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Danny,
>> >> >
>> >> > first of all thank you for your detailed help!!! That is
>> >> nearly, what I am
>> >> > looking for, but one problem exists:
>> >> > The page I want to extract (you are right ... its on an external
>> >> > server) does not work with passing the variables in the url.
>> I mean ...
>> >> >
>> >> > http://server?x=a&y=b does not work.
>> >> >
>> >> > I need to do it with a form like:
>> >> >
>> >> > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
>> >> > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>> >> > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>> >> > <input type=submit>
>> >> > </form>
>> >> >
>> >> > That's my big big problem. Btw, ... its legal :-)))
>> >> >
>> >> > Marc
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> >> >> Von: Danny William Adair [mailto:Danny@Adair.net]
>> >> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 01:26
>> >> >> An: Marc Fischer; Paula Mangas
>> >> >> Cc: zope@zope.org
>> >> >> Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Marc,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When you submit a form to one of your DTML methods or
>> >> documents, all the
>> >> >> form variables will be available without any further work to be
>> >> >> done (REQUEST object, see docs). But if I get you right, you are
>> >> >> not submitting your form to a method of your own. So things are a
>> >> >> bit different here.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As I understand it, you are submitting your form to someone
>> >> else's server
>> >> >> (since otherwise you would produce the output yourself).
>> Maybe you're
>> >> >> providing an input form that is directed to a search engine,
>> >> or something
>> >> >> similar.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --------------------------------------------
>> >> >> <form action="http://server" method=POST>
>> >> >> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>> >> >> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <input type="text" name="myInput">
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <input type=submit>
>> >> >> </form>
>> >> >> --------------------------------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If so, then you should take a look at the "KebasData" Product:
>> >> >> http://www.zope.org/Members/kedai/KebasData
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Just instantiate a KebasData object, let's say "results". Take a
>> >> >> look at the
>> >> >> product's documentation to see how you can extract the
>> >> relevant code from
>> >> >> the external server's result page. I'll try to get you started
>> >> >> right away:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Set the regular expression patterns properly, start with
>> >> >>
>> >> >> .*
>> >> >>
>> >> >> as the search pattern and leave the rest blank ("url" will be set
>> >> >> by a DTML
>> >> >> method you create, see below), then you'll get the entire
>> >> >> external page, you
>> >> >> can change that later to fit your needs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Then create a DTML method next to it, lets say
>> "getResults". It could
>> >> >> look like this:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
>> >> >> <h2>RESULTS</h3>
>> >> >> <dtml-with results>
>> >> >>   <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('new_url', 'http://server?search=' +
>> >> myInput)">
>> >> >>   <dtml-call "get_matched(new_url)">
>> >> >>   <dtml-in match>
>> >> >>     <dtml-var result><br/>
>> >> >>   </dtml-in>
>> >> >> </dtml-with>
>> >> >> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This will fetch the page you want to display by calling
>> >> >> "get_matched(new_url)", you construct that new_url
>> dynamically, using
>> >> >> your form variable "myInput". Then it iterates through the results
>> >> >> list and spits
>> >> >> out the parts that matched your query, appending a <br/> after
>> >> each match
>> >> >> (if you started with .* as the pattern, the list will only
>> >> have one item,
>> >> >> holding the complete page).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Oh, right: your DTML method should have a proxy role that has the
>> >> >> right to "change KebasData" (or maybe even "View
>> >> >> management_screens"?) on the KebasData object "results", since it
>> >> >> calls its function
>> >> >> "get_matched", which
>> >> >> is usually only called by clicking "Initialize!" in the
>> >> >> management screen of
>> >> >> the KebasData object.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Now you just send your form to "getResults" (instead of the
>> >> >> external server
>> >> >> directly), and let your DTML method do the rest:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --------------------------------------------
>> >> >> <form action="getResults" method=POST>
>> >> >> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>> >> >> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <input type="text" name="myInput">
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <input type=submit>
>> >> >> </form>
>> >> >> --------------------------------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Later, you could put the "getResults" code in a python script,
>> >> then it's
>> >> >> easier to do further processing with your fetched data.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> hth,
>> >> >> Danny
>> >> >>
>> >> >> P.S.: Check the legal stuff before extracting other
>> people's pages ;-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> >> >> >>> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
>> >> >> Auftrag von Marc
>> >> >> >>> Fischer
>> >> >> >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 11.43p
>> >> >> >>> An: Paula Mangas; Marc Fischer
>> >> >> >>> Cc: zope@zope.org
>> >> >> >>> Betreff: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Hi,
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> I think there was an understanding problem. I want to get the
>> >> >> >>> source code of
>> >> >> >>> the result that is displayed in the browser, after klicking on
>> >> >> >>> the submit
>> >> >> >>> button. I want to be able to handle this source perhabs
>> to create
>> >> >> >>> a dtmlmethod wiht it, or do some string extractions with it.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>> >> >> >>> > Von: Paula Mangas [mailto:pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt]
>> >> >> >>> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 13:25
>> >> >> >>> > An: Marc Fischer
>> >> >> >>> > Cc: zope@zope.org
>> >> >> >>> > Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc Fischer wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > > Hi,
>> >> >> >>> > >
>> >> >> >>> > > I want to get the HTML result from a form into a
>> dtml method.
>> >> >> >>> > So I need a
>> >> >> >>> > > way to handle this result, but HOW.
>> >> >> >>> > >
>> >> >> >>> > > The form ist like this:
>> >> >> >>> > >
>> >> >> >>> > > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
>> >> >> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
>> >> >> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
>> >> >> >>> > > <input type=submit>
>> >> >> >>> > > </form>
>> >> >> >>> > >
>> >> >> >>> > > If I klick on submit, I get the result displayed in the
>> >> >> >>> Browser, but I
>> >> >> >>> > > cannot work with it.
>> >> >> >>> > > Perhaps someone could help me???
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > Hi,
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > I think that, if you try
>> >> >> >>> > <form action="http://server/the_method_you_want_to_call"
>> >> >> method=POST>
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > it will work.
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > Paula
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
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From msg4bob@yahoo.com  Thu May  3 16:14:13 2001
From: msg4bob@yahoo.com (Bobby Mathew)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:44:13 +0530
Subject: [Zope] Changing the UNIX passwd from zope / python script
References: <1059023570.988901501@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <002801c0d45c$22c9bca0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>

Hi all,

I needed to be able to change the passwd of a current zope user to sync his
passwords with my database. Is this possible ? I could provide an interface
and user could confirm the new password and then i could also sync his UNIX
password to the same !!! I am a newbie to both zope and python so i would
need explicit instructions if there is a solution.

thanks
bobby





From msg4bob@yahoo.com  Thu May  3 16:16:32 2001
From: msg4bob@yahoo.com (Bobby Mathew)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:46:32 +0530
Subject: [Zope] Re: Catalog Anything Problem
References: <NBBBLMKDDAEIBGKHFKKCGEOICOAA.rbickers@logicetc.com>
Message-ID: <002901c0d45c$2346dbe0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>

THANKS GUYS
It worked once i changed the case...
Once again you guys are genius's
thanks a lot

bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Bickers <rbickers@logicetc.com>
To: <cduncan@kaivo.com>; Bobby Mathew <bobby@dialognet.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope] Re: Catalog Anything Problem


>
> > > Firstly i created a new catalog called prods under
> > /learn/search/ and did
> > > nothing further
> > > secondly i kept the zsql method outside under the path /learn/search/
> > > called it getProdtoCatalog()
>
> I may have misled you as far as where to put the ZSQL Method.  It's okay
to
> have the method in the contents part of the catalog where the Python
Script
> is, you just don't want to use the 'Find Objects' to add it to the
catalog's
> search index.  Of course, with acquisition, it works all the same where
you
> put it.
>
> > Try Product.number, Databases often return field names in all lower case
> > regardless of the case specified in the SQL.
>
> I can't think of any reason for the error, but this sounds like a good
thing
> to try.  MySQL is case sensitive so I've always stuck to the case as
defined
> in the table.  If changing the case works, let me know.
> _______________________
>
> Ron Bickers
> Logic Etc, Inc.
> rbickers@logicetc.com
>



From mail@peterbe.com  Fri May  4 08:32:42 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:32:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
References: <20010503211308.6766.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <3AF22A47.AED75F3@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <005201c0d46c$7c7a9a20$1c64a8c0@PBN>

The usability of your interface enhancements suck! ...but I would probably
install them :)

"Clicking on "Ed" reloads the current edit page. Clicking on "it" opens the
full screen editing window."
-- eerrk! Very tricky.

I use the ZMI a lot, and I like you make little interface changes that helps
me. I also have the time and patience of learning a zen of using the
interface. I don't have patience or time to learn a new interface at
Amazon.com because I selldomly go there and it's not my work environment.

My main concern is for beginners (of Zope) and when you share an install
with more Z people.
So it has to be possible to _skin_ the ZMI in some way. Just like you can
with KDE for Linux. You can change the Look&Feel for _your_ user account, so
that different users have different icons on their desktop etc.
Would it not be possible to do something like this in the future for Zope. I
ask especially the DC folks who know more of Z's future.

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ausum" <augusto@artlover.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface


> You'll find them here:
>
> http://www.zope.org/Members/ausum/interface_enhancements
>
> Please notice that it's not a good idea to replace your core dtml files on
> a permanent basis. Read the warning first.
>
>
> Ausum
>
>
>
> Adrian Madrid wrote:
> >
> > --- Ausum <augusto@artlover.com> wrote:
> > > I've uploaded pic snapshots hoping to explain them.
> > > They're based only in
> > > modifications to distribution dtml files, and one
> > > python module file. If you
> > > want the code
> > > I can send it to you, but you'll probably want to
> > > take a look first. :)
> > >
> > > http://www.zope.org/Members/ausum/some_improvements/
> > >
> > >
> > > Ausum
> >
> > I'd love to try them. Could you send/post them?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > =====
> > ---------------------------
> > Adrian Esteban Madrid
> > Benson Institute, Webmaster
> > Brigham Young University
> > ---------------------------
> > adrian_esteban@madrid.com
> > ===========================
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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From etiennel@geospace.co.za  Fri May  4 08:32:10 2001
From: etiennel@geospace.co.za (Etienne Labuschagne)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:32:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Uploading images - no image!
Message-ID: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC778@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>

Hi there

The Python Method (not external Python Method!) below must upload an image
after being given the id, title and filename (on the client computer).  This
should work the same way as the management interface based image uploading.
Somehow, this function causes the image to be created, but is seems to
contain no image data (you cannot view the image).  What am I doing wrong?


(self is passed as the only parameter.  id, title and file are set in the
calling form)

id = self.REQUEST['id']
title = self.REQUEST['title']
file = self.REQUEST['file']

self.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].manage_addImage(id,file,title)

return "Your image is uploaded."


From marcbpc@gmx.de  Fri May  4 09:49:33 2001
From: marcbpc@gmx.de (Marc Fischer)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:49:33 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICAEBAGGAA.lstafford@morphics.com>
Message-ID: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJOEBFCJAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>


> Did you get enough new  material to write a HowTo? "How To Screen Scrape"
>
> -- Loren
>

I could. But what do you mean with "Screen Scrape" ???

Marc










> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Marc
> > Fischer
> > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 16:31
> > To: Tino Wildenhain; Marc Fischer; Danny William Adair; Paula Mangas
> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
> >
> >
> > Hey, thanks to all of you, that tried to help me.
> >
> > Finally I had success with the httplib funktion. ... :-)))
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
> Auftrag von Tino
> > > Wildenhain
> > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2001 22:51
> > > An: Marc Fischer; Danny William Adair; Paula Mangas
> > > Cc: zope@zope.org
> > > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Marc,
> > >
> > > its simply:
> > >
> > > <dtml-with "web_client('http://server/',x='a',y='b')">
> > > <dtml-var body>
> > > </dtml-with>
> > >
> > > in your case :)
> > > x and y go into this **kw argument. If this is set,
> > > webclient uses POST.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > > Tino Wildenhain.
> > >
> > > --On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 20:45 +0200 Marc Fischer
> > > <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Tino,
> > > >
> > > > I think, thats it, what I am looking for. Your Example works
> > > fine so far.
> > > > But my understanding in python I so low, that I am not able
> > change it in
> > > > my needed way. Perhabs you could tell me how to realize this:
> > > >
> > > > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> > > > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > > > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > > > <input type=submit>
> > > > </form>
> > > >
> > > > and show me how to get the source of the result page?! :-)
> > > >
> > > > I would be very happy, ... thanx a lot ...
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > > >> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
> > > Auftrag von Tino
> > > >> Wildenhain
> > > >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 15:37
> > > >> An: Marc Fischer; Danny William Adair; Paula Mangas
> > > >> Cc: zope@zope.org
> > > >> Betreff: Re: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Marc,
> > > >>
> > > >> zope has a "client" deep in its core :)
> > > >> See lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py
> > > >> for more info.
> > > >>
> > > >> I currently use a external method like this:
> > > >>
> > > >> > from ZPublisher import Client
> > > >>
> > > >> def web_client(url = '', username = None, password = None, **kw):
> > > >>      '''access http servers'''
> > > >>      class gen_res:
> > > >>          __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__=1
> > > >>      f=gen_res()
> > > >>      if kw:
> > > >>          f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password,kw)
> > > >>      else:
> > > >>          f.headers,f.body=Client.call(url,username,password)
> > > >>      return(f)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> And use it like this:
> > > >>
> > > >> <dtml-with "web_client('http://server/uri')">
> > > >> <dtml-var body>
> > > >> </dtml-with>
> > > >>
> > > >> In Client.py are also methods and functions to map arguments
> > > >> to a POST request as you wish.
> > > >>
> > > >> I think, the above could be a starting point for you.
> > > >>
> > > >> HTH
> > > >> Tino Wildenhain
> > > >>
> > > >> --On Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 12:12 +0200 Marc Fischer
> > > >> <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Hi Danny,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > first of all thank you for your detailed help!!! That is
> > > >> nearly, what I am
> > > >> > looking for, but one problem exists:
> > > >> > The page I want to extract (you are right ... its on an external
> > > >> > server) does not work with passing the variables in the url.
> > > I mean ...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://server?x=a&y=b does not work.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I need to do it with a form like:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> > > >> > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > > >> > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > > >> > <input type=submit>
> > > >> > </form>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > That's my big big problem. Btw, ... its legal :-)))
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Marc
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > > >> >> Von: Danny William Adair [mailto:Danny@Adair.net]
> > > >> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 01:26
> > > >> >> An: Marc Fischer; Paula Mangas
> > > >> >> Cc: zope@zope.org
> > > >> >> Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Hi Marc,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> When you submit a form to one of your DTML methods or
> > > >> documents, all the
> > > >> >> form variables will be available without any further work
> > to be done
> > > >> >> (REQUEST object, see docs). But if I get you right, you are not
> > > >> >> submitting your form to a method of your own. So things
> are a bit
> > > >> >> different here.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> As I understand it, you are submitting your form to someone
> > > >> else's server
> > > >> >> (since otherwise you would produce the output yourself).
> > > Maybe you're
> > > >> >> providing an input form that is directed to a search engine,
> > > >> or something
> > > >> >> similar.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> --------------------------------------------
> > > >> >> <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> > > >> >> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > > >> >> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> <input type="text" name="myInput">
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> <input type=submit>
> > > >> >> </form>
> > > >> >> --------------------------------------------
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> If so, then you should take a look at the "KebasData" Product:
> > > >> >> http://www.zope.org/Members/kedai/KebasData
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Just instantiate a KebasData object, let's say "results". Take a
> > > >> >> look at the
> > > >> >> product's documentation to see how you can extract the
> > > >> relevant code from
> > > >> >> the external server's result page. I'll try to get you
> > started right
> > > >> >> away:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Set the regular expression patterns properly, start with
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> .*
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> as the search pattern and leave the rest blank ("url"
> will be set
> > > >> >> by a DTML
> > > >> >> method you create, see below), then you'll get the entire
> > > >> >> external page, you
> > > >> >> can change that later to fit your needs.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Then create a DTML method next to it, lets say
> > > "getResults". It could
> > > >> >> look like this:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> > > >> >> <h2>RESULTS</h3>
> > > >> >> <dtml-with results>
> > > >> >>   <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('new_url', 'http://server?search=' +
> > > >> myInput)">
> > > >> >>   <dtml-call "get_matched(new_url)">
> > > >> >>   <dtml-in match>
> > > >> >>     <dtml-var result><br/>
> > > >> >>   </dtml-in>
> > > >> >> </dtml-with>
> > > >> >> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> This will fetch the page you want to display by calling
> > > >> >> "get_matched(new_url)", you construct that new_url
> > > dynamically, using
> > > >> >> your form variable "myInput". Then it iterates through
> the results
> > > >> >> list and spits
> > > >> >> out the parts that matched your query, appending a <br/> after
> > > >> each match
> > > >> >> (if you started with .* as the pattern, the list will only
> > > >> have one item,
> > > >> >> holding the complete page).
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Oh, right: your DTML method should have a proxy role
> that has the
> > > >> >> right to "change KebasData" (or maybe even "View
> > > >> >> management_screens"?) on the KebasData object
> "results", since it
> > > >> >> calls its function
> > > >> >> "get_matched", which
> > > >> >> is usually only called by clicking "Initialize!" in the
> > > >> >> management screen of
> > > >> >> the KebasData object.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Now you just send your form to "getResults" (instead of the
> > > >> >> external server
> > > >> >> directly), and let your DTML method do the rest:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> --------------------------------------------
> > > >> >> <form action="getResults" method=POST>
> > > >> >> <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > > >> >> <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> <input type="text" name="myInput">
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> <input type=submit>
> > > >> >> </form>
> > > >> >> --------------------------------------------
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Later, you could put the "getResults" code in a python script,
> > > >> then it's
> > > >> >> easier to do further processing with your fetched data.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> hth,
> > > >> >> Danny
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> P.S.: Check the legal stuff before extracting other
> > > people's pages ;-)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> >>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > > >> >> >>> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im
> > > >> >> Auftrag von Marc
> > > >> >> >>> Fischer
> > > >> >> >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 11.43p
> > > >> >> >>> An: Paula Mangas; Marc Fischer
> > > >> >> >>> Cc: zope@zope.org
> > > >> >> >>> Betreff: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>> Hi,
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>> I think there was an understanding problem. I want
> to get the
> > > >> >> >>> source code of
> > > >> >> >>> the result that is displayed in the browser, after
> klicking on
> > > >> >> >>> the submit
> > > >> >> >>> button. I want to be able to handle this source perhabs
> > > to create
> > > >> >> >>> a dtmlmethod wiht it, or do some string extractions with it.
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > > >> >> >>> > Von: Paula Mangas [mailto:pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt]
> > > >> >> >>> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2001 13:25
> > > >> >> >>> > An: Marc Fischer
> > > >> >> >>> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> > > >> >> >>> > Betreff: Re: [Zope] Source from form result.
> > > >> >> >>> >
> > > >> >> >>> >
> > > >> >> >>> > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc Fischer wrote:
> > > >> >> >>> >
> > > >> >> >>> > > Hi,
> > > >> >> >>> > >
> > > >> >> >>> > > I want to get the HTML result from a form into a
> > > dtml method.
> > > >> >> >>> > So I need a
> > > >> >> >>> > > way to handle this result, but HOW.
> > > >> >> >>> > >
> > > >> >> >>> > > The form ist like this:
> > > >> >> >>> > >
> > > >> >> >>> > > <form action="http://server" method=POST>
> > > >> >> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="x" value="a">
> > > >> >> >>> > > <input type=hidden name="y" value="b">
> > > >> >> >>> > > <input type=submit>
> > > >> >> >>> > > </form>
> > > >> >> >>> > >
> > > >> >> >>> > > If I klick on submit, I get the result displayed in the
> > > >> >> >>> Browser, but I
> > > >> >> >>> > > cannot work with it.
> > > >> >> >>> > > Perhaps someone could help me???
> > > >> >> >>> >
> > > >> >> >>> >
> > > >> >> >>> > Hi,
> > > >> >> >>> >
> > > >> >> >>> >
> > > >> >> >>> > I think that, if you try
> > > >> >> >>> > <form action="http://server/the_method_you_want_to_call"
> > > >> >> method=POST>
> > > >> >> >>> >
> > > >> >> >>> > it will work.
> > > >> >> >>> >
> > > >> >> >>> > Paula
> > > >> >> >>> >
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>> _______________________________________________
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> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
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From slinkp23@yahoo.com  Fri May  4 09:47:41 2001
From: slinkp23@yahoo.com (Paul Winkler)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 04:47:41 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Upgrade path from 2.2.2 and PTK
Message-ID: <3AF26CAD.FEE9EFDF@yahoo.com>

Hi,

OK, I have a site I've been working on for months that's based
on Zope 2.2.2 and PTK 0.8.2. That's what was current when I got
started.

Now I want to update things a bit before I put this on a
production server.
My site is a heavily-customized version of the DemoPortal from
PTK 0.8.2.
Well, now you guys are up to Zope 2.3.2 and CMF 1.0.

Can anyone recommend the safest, least painful procedure for
upgrading my stuff?
Once I get Zope upgraded, can I just install CMF alongside PTK
and migrate things over piecemeal? (I'll probably have to do it
a bit at a time, as I've customized quite a lot of PTK...)

-- 
...................    paul winkler   ....................
custom calendars & printing: http://www.calendargalaxy.com
       A member of ARMS:   http://www.reacharms.com
            home page:  http://www.slinkp.com


From mail@peterbe.com  Fri May  4 10:17:42 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:17:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Uploading images - no image!
References: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC778@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>
Message-ID: <00ab01c0d47b$140bafb0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Do you have
enctype="multipart/form-data"
???


----- Original Message -----
From: "Etienne Labuschagne" <etiennel@geospace.co.za>
To: "Zope user list (E-mail)" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 9:32 AM
Subject: [Zope] Uploading images - no image!


> Hi there
>
> The Python Method (not external Python Method!) below must upload an image
> after being given the id, title and filename (on the client computer).
This
> should work the same way as the management interface based image
uploading.
> Somehow, this function causes the image to be created, but is seems to
> contain no image data (you cannot view the image).  What am I doing wrong?
>
>
> (self is passed as the only parameter.  id, title and file are set in the
> calling form)
>
> id = self.REQUEST['id']
> title = self.REQUEST['title']
> file = self.REQUEST['file']
>
> self.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].manage_addImage(id,file,title)
>
> return "Your image is uploaded."
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From etiennel@geospace.co.za  Fri May  4 10:25:04 2001
From: etiennel@geospace.co.za (Etienne Labuschagne)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:25:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Uploading images - no image!
Message-ID: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC77A@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>

Yes, but even if I change that to image/jpeg it still doesn't show - I'll
double check.

Etienne

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Bengtsson [mailto:mail@peterbe.com]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:18 AM
To: Etienne Labuschagne
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Uploading images - no image!


Do you have
enctype="multipart/form-data"
???


----- Original Message -----
From: "Etienne Labuschagne" <etiennel@geospace.co.za>
To: "Zope user list (E-mail)" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 9:32 AM
Subject: [Zope] Uploading images - no image!


> Hi there
>
> The Python Method (not external Python Method!) below must upload an image
> after being given the id, title and filename (on the client computer).
This
> should work the same way as the management interface based image
uploading.
> Somehow, this function causes the image to be created, but is seems to
> contain no image data (you cannot view the image).  What am I doing wrong?
>
>
> (self is passed as the only parameter.  id, title and file are set in the
> calling form)
>
> id = self.REQUEST['id']
> title = self.REQUEST['title']
> file = self.REQUEST['file']
>
> self.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].manage_addImage(id,file,title)
>
> return "Your image is uploaded."
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From etiennel@geospace.co.za  Fri May  4 10:42:19 2001
From: etiennel@geospace.co.za (Etienne Labuschagne)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:42:19 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Getting an object from id
Message-ID: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC77B@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>

Hi there

If I have the id of an object, how can I get the actual object in a Python
Method?  I have tried the following:

o = getattr(self, "FooImage")

This causes an AttributeError type with value validate.  This probably mean
that this way of aquiring an object is not available in Python Methods, but
only in external Python Methods.  I would prefer to use a Python Method and
not an external method.

B.T.W. I know that o=self.FooImage will work, but I want to use a parameter
containing the id to get the object, eg. o = getattr(self, id).

Thanks
Etienne


From jose@sferacarta.com  Fri May  4 11:02:04 2001
From: jose@sferacarta.com (Jose Soares)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:02:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503115404.31564A-200000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <3AF27E1B.79745DF1@sferacarta.com>

Where on can find Zope Shell version 0.001 ?
at http://www.zope.org/Members/sf/zopeshell
there's only...

Release               Version                          Date
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Zopeshell 0.4     0.4 (Stable)                    2000/12/19
zopeshell-0.3.0   0.3.0 (Development)      2000/08/05
zopeshell-0.2.0   0.2.0 (Development)      2000/06/06
zopeshell 0.1.1    0.1.1 (Development)     2000/05/07
zopeshell vers 0.1   0.1 (Development)     2000/05/06







Jerome Alet wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I'm pleased to announce you the Zope Shell version 0.001.
>
> The Zope shell is a GPLed Python Script which makes some of the most
> commonly used unix shell commands available from within Zope, to manage
> the ZODB contents. You'll find this 155 lines script attached to this
> message.
>
> As for the 0.001 version which is attached to this message, the following
> commands are recognized: cd, cp, mv, rm, ls
>
> there are some restrictions however, and it doesn't seem to work with
> absolute paths, read the source for details and the future commands.
>
> zshell accepts an unlimited number of commands to launch in a single Zope
> transaction, so feel free to combine these five commands to do some very
> complicated stuff. Despite its current limitations it works fine here on
> Zope 2.3.2+Hotfix0501.
>
> Please feel free to send me any comment about this software.
>
> Such similar functionnality included in Zope's core would make me VERY
> happy.
>
> hoping this helps.
>
> Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ## Script (Python) "zshell"
> ##bind container=container
> ##bind context=context
> ##bind namespace=
> ##bind script=script
> ##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
> ##parameters=
> ##title=The Zope Shell
> ##
> # zshell - (c) 2001 Jerome Alet
> #
> # You're welcome to redistribute this software under the
> # terms of the GNU General Public Licence version 2.0
> # or, at your option, any higher version.
> #
> # You can read the complete GNU GPL in the file COPYING
> # which should come along with this software, or visit
> # the Free Software Foundation's WEB site http://www.fsf.org
> #
> # author: Jerome Alet - <alet@unice.fr>
> #
> #
> # This is the Zope shell, an attempt at making the most common
> # Unix shell commands available from within Zope.
> #
> # As of May 3rd 2001, version 0.001, the following commands
> # are recognized:
> #
> #       cd, rm, mv, cp, ls
> #
> # * cd accepts a single path as an argument
> # * rm accepts many path arguments
> # * mv and cp last argument is the destination folder, every previous
> #   argument is an object id in the current folder
> # * ls accepts many meta types as its arguments
> #
> # The future:
> #
> # in the future I'd be interested in adding more functionnalities
> # as well as making it a complete Zope product, splitting it
> # in one method per command, and making the accepted syntax much more
> # match Unix shell's one.
> # adding support for a find command is also high on my priority list
> #
> # Feel free to send me any feedback about this software at: alet@unice.fr
> #
>
> import string
>
> def toObject(curdir, path) :
>         import string
>         path = string.strip(path)
>         if path[0] == '/' :
>                 path = path[1:]
>                 while hasattr(curdir, 'aq_parent') and (curdir.aq_parent is not None):
>                         curdir = curdir.aq_parent
>
>         components = filter(None, string.split(path, '/'))
>         for component in components :
>                 if component == '.' :
>                         continue
>                 elif component == '..' :
>                         if hasattr(curdir, 'aq_parent') and (curdir.aq_parent is not None):
>                                 curdir = curdir.aq_parent
>                 elif hasattr(curdir, component) :
>                         curdir = curdir[component]
>                 else :
>                         return None     # Error
>         return curdir
>
> print context.standard_html_header.document_src()
>
> if context.REQUEST.has_key("commands") :
>         commands = filter(None, context.REQUEST["commands"])
> else :
>         commands = []
>
> print '<p><form action="zshell" method="POST">'
> print 'Enter your commands below:<br>'
> print '<textarea rows="10" cols="50" wrap="physical" name="commands:lines">%s</textarea>' % string.join(commands, '\n')
> print '<br><input type="submit" name="run" value="Run !" />'
> print '</form></p>'
>
> if commands :
>         print '<hr noshade="noshade" width="33%" /><p>Results:'
>         current = context
>         for command in commands :
>                 cmd = command[:2]
>                 print '<br><b>%s:</b> ' % cmd
>                 if cmd == 'cd' :
>                         path = command[3:]
>                         newdir = toObject(current, path)
>                         if (newdir is not None) and hasattr(newdir, 'meta_type') and (newdir.meta_type == 'Folder') :
>                                 current = newdir
>                                 print 'New folder is <em><b>/%s</b></em>' % newdir.absolute_url(relative=1)
>                         else :
>                                 print 'Incorrect path <em><b>%s</b></em>' % path
>                                 print '[%s]' % repr(newdir)
>                 elif (cmd == 'mv') or (cmd == 'cp') :
>                         args = string.split(command[3:])
>                         if len(args) < 2 :
>                                 print 'Incorrect number of arguments'
>                         else :
>                                 dst = args[-1]
>                                 srcs = args[:-1]
>                                 objids = []
>                                 for src in srcs :
>                                         if '/' in src :
>                                                 print 'Paths in source objects are not allowed at this time: <em><b>%s</b></em>' % src
>                                         else :
>                                                 objids.append(src)
>                                 dsto = toObject(current, dst)
>                                 if dsto is None :
>                                         print 'Incorrect destination argument <em><b>%s</b></em>' % dst
>                                         continue
>                                 if dsto.meta_type != 'Folder' :
>                                         print 'Destination <em><b>%s</b></em> is not a folderish object' % dst
>                                         continue
>                                 if cmd == 'cp' :
>                                         clipboard = current.manage_copyObjects(ids = objids)
>                                         action = 'copied'
>                                 else :
>                                         clipboard = current.manage_cutObjects(ids = objids)
>                                         action = 'moved'
>                                 dsto.manage_pasteObjects(cb_copy_data = clipboard)
>                                 for oid in objids :
>                                         print '<br>%s %s' % (oid, action)
>                 elif cmd == 'rm' :
>                         objpaths = filter(None, string.split(string.strip(command[3:])))
>                         for objpath in objpaths :
>                                 object = toObject(current, objpath)
>                                 if object is None :
>                                         print 'Incorrect path <em><b>%s</b></em>' % objpath
>                                 else :
>                                         if hasattr(object, 'aq_parent') :
>                                                 object.aq_parent.manage_delObjects(ids = [object.getId()])
>                                                 print "<br>/%s removed" % object.absolute_url(relative=1)
>                 elif cmd == 'ls' :
>                         metatypes = filter(None, string.split(string.strip(command[3:])))
>                         if metatypes :
>                                 objects = current.objectValues(metatypes)
>                         else :
>                                 objects = current.objectValues()
>                         if objects :
>                                 print '<table border="1"><tr><th>Id</th><th>Title</th><th>MetaType</th></tr>'
>                                 for object in objects :
>                                         title = object.title or '&nbsp;'
>                                         print '<tr><td>%s</td><td>%s</td><td>%s</td></tr>' % (object.getId(), title, object.meta_type)
>                                 print '</table>'
>                 else :
>                         print 'Unknown command <em><b>%s</b></em>' % command
>         print '</p>'
>
> print context.standard_html_footer.document_src()
> return printed



From alet@unice.fr  Fri May  4 10:55:32 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:55:32 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
In-Reply-To: <3AF27E1B.79745DF1@sferacarta.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504115414.7297A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Jose Soares wrote:

> Where on can find Zope Shell version 0.001 ?
> at http://www.zope.org/Members/sf/zopeshell
> there's only...

Sorry, it's not the same product.

zshell 0.001 is just the script below, but expect a much much more
powerful version in minutes.

I'll announce it there.

bye,

Jerome

> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ## Script (Python) "zshell"
> > ##bind container=container
> > ##bind context=context
> > ##bind namespace=
> > ##bind script=script
> > ##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
> > ##parameters=
> > ##title=The Zope Shell
> > ##
> > # zshell - (c) 2001 Jerome Alet
> > #
> > # You're welcome to redistribute this software under the
> > # terms of the GNU General Public Licence version 2.0
> > # or, at your option, any higher version.
> > #
> > # You can read the complete GNU GPL in the file COPYING
> > # which should come along with this software, or visit
> > # the Free Software Foundation's WEB site http://www.fsf.org
> > #
> > # author: Jerome Alet - <alet@unice.fr>
> > #
> > #
> > # This is the Zope shell, an attempt at making the most common
> > # Unix shell commands available from within Zope.
> > #
> > # As of May 3rd 2001, version 0.001, the following commands
> > # are recognized:
> > #
> > #       cd, rm, mv, cp, ls
> > #
> > # * cd accepts a single path as an argument
> > # * rm accepts many path arguments
> > # * mv and cp last argument is the destination folder, every previous
> > #   argument is an object id in the current folder
> > # * ls accepts many meta types as its arguments
> > #
> > # The future:
> > #
> > # in the future I'd be interested in adding more functionnalities
> > # as well as making it a complete Zope product, splitting it
> > # in one method per command, and making the accepted syntax much more
> > # match Unix shell's one.
> > # adding support for a find command is also high on my priority list
> > #
> > # Feel free to send me any feedback about this software at: alet@unice.fr
> > #
> >
> > import string
> >
> > def toObject(curdir, path) :
> >         import string
> >         path = string.strip(path)
> >         if path[0] == '/' :
> >                 path = path[1:]
> >                 while hasattr(curdir, 'aq_parent') and (curdir.aq_parent is not None):
> >                         curdir = curdir.aq_parent
> >
> >         components = filter(None, string.split(path, '/'))
> >         for component in components :
> >                 if component == '.' :
> >                         continue
> >                 elif component == '..' :
> >                         if hasattr(curdir, 'aq_parent') and (curdir.aq_parent is not None):
> >                                 curdir = curdir.aq_parent
> >                 elif hasattr(curdir, component) :
> >                         curdir = curdir[component]
> >                 else :
> >                         return None     # Error
> >         return curdir
> >
> > print context.standard_html_header.document_src()
> >
> > if context.REQUEST.has_key("commands") :
> >         commands = filter(None, context.REQUEST["commands"])
> > else :
> >         commands = []
> >
> > print '<p><form action="zshell" method="POST">'
> > print 'Enter your commands below:<br>'
> > print '<textarea rows="10" cols="50" wrap="physical" name="commands:lines">%s</textarea>' % string.join(commands, '\n')
> > print '<br><input type="submit" name="run" value="Run !" />'
> > print '</form></p>'
> >
> > if commands :
> >         print '<hr noshade="noshade" width="33%" /><p>Results:'
> >         current = context
> >         for command in commands :
> >                 cmd = command[:2]
> >                 print '<br><b>%s:</b> ' % cmd
> >                 if cmd == 'cd' :
> >                         path = command[3:]
> >                         newdir = toObject(current, path)
> >                         if (newdir is not None) and hasattr(newdir, 'meta_type') and (newdir.meta_type == 'Folder') :
> >                                 current = newdir
> >                                 print 'New folder is <em><b>/%s</b></em>' % newdir.absolute_url(relative=1)
> >                         else :
> >                                 print 'Incorrect path <em><b>%s</b></em>' % path
> >                                 print '[%s]' % repr(newdir)
> >                 elif (cmd == 'mv') or (cmd == 'cp') :
> >                         args = string.split(command[3:])
> >                         if len(args) < 2 :
> >                                 print 'Incorrect number of arguments'
> >                         else :
> >                                 dst = args[-1]
> >                                 srcs = args[:-1]
> >                                 objids = []
> >                                 for src in srcs :
> >                                         if '/' in src :
> >                                                 print 'Paths in source objects are not allowed at this time: <em><b>%s</b></em>' % src
> >                                         else :
> >                                                 objids.append(src)
> >                                 dsto = toObject(current, dst)
> >                                 if dsto is None :
> >                                         print 'Incorrect destination argument <em><b>%s</b></em>' % dst
> >                                         continue
> >                                 if dsto.meta_type != 'Folder' :
> >                                         print 'Destination <em><b>%s</b></em> is not a folderish object' % dst
> >                                         continue
> >                                 if cmd == 'cp' :
> >                                         clipboard = current.manage_copyObjects(ids = objids)
> >                                         action = 'copied'
> >                                 else :
> >                                         clipboard = current.manage_cutObjects(ids = objids)
> >                                         action = 'moved'
> >                                 dsto.manage_pasteObjects(cb_copy_data = clipboard)
> >                                 for oid in objids :
> >                                         print '<br>%s %s' % (oid, action)
> >                 elif cmd == 'rm' :
> >                         objpaths = filter(None, string.split(string.strip(command[3:])))
> >                         for objpath in objpaths :
> >                                 object = toObject(current, objpath)
> >                                 if object is None :
> >                                         print 'Incorrect path <em><b>%s</b></em>' % objpath
> >                                 else :
> >                                         if hasattr(object, 'aq_parent') :
> >                                                 object.aq_parent.manage_delObjects(ids = [object.getId()])
> >                                                 print "<br>/%s removed" % object.absolute_url(relative=1)
> >                 elif cmd == 'ls' :
> >                         metatypes = filter(None, string.split(string.strip(command[3:])))
> >                         if metatypes :
> >                                 objects = current.objectValues(metatypes)
> >                         else :
> >                                 objects = current.objectValues()
> >                         if objects :
> >                                 print '<table border="1"><tr><th>Id</th><th>Title</th><th>MetaType</th></tr>'
> >                                 for object in objects :
> >                                         title = object.title or '&nbsp;'
> >                                         print '<tr><td>%s</td><td>%s</td><td>%s</td></tr>' % (object.getId(), title, object.meta_type)
> >                                 print '</table>'
> >                 else :
> >                         print 'Unknown command <em><b>%s</b></em>' % command
> >         print '</p>'
> >
> > print context.standard_html_footer.document_src()
> > return printed
> 



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May  4 11:57:33 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:57:33 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Uploading images - no image!
References: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC77A@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>
Message-ID: <3AF28B1D.5586FED5@nipltd.com>

Etienne Labuschagne wrote:
> 
> Yes, but even if I change that to image/jpeg it still doesn't show - I'll
> double check.

Can you post the HTML of your form?

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May  4 11:58:55 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:58:55 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Getting an object from id
References: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC77B@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>
Message-ID: <3AF28B6F.51DC15BB@nipltd.com>

Etienne Labuschagne wrote:
> 
> This causes an AttributeError type with value validate.  This probably mean
> that this way of aquiring an object is not available in Python Methods, but
> only in external Python Methods.  I would prefer to use a Python Method and
> not an external method.

Do you mean Python Method or Python Script?

cheers,

Chris


From alet@unice.fr  Fri May  4 12:08:32 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:08:32 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504125453.7297B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi,

I'm very pleased to announce the new version of the Zope Shell.

You can download this GPLed external method from:

	http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

Current version is 0.1 and replaces 0.001

Delete your old version an install this one, you'll probably love it !

List of available commands (expect more soon):

deluser		delete users
adduser		add users
lrole		add/delete local roles
whoami		current username
pack		pack database
restart		restart zope
save		save versions (untested)
discard		discard versions (untested)
copy		copy to clipboard
cut		cut to clipboard
paste		paste from clipboard
import		import objects
chown		change owner (doesn't work)
man		shows help
whatis		alias to man
help		alias to man
apropos		alias to man
about		about ZShell
google		launch a query on google
wget		suck websites (not finished)
mkdir		create folders recursively
pwd		shows current working folder
cd		change current folder
rm		delete objects recursively
mv		move objects (doesn't rename yet)
cp		copy objects
ls		list objects

Any help and constructive criticism is appreciated.

Hints: 
	* ls accepts meta types as its arguments, this may change soon.
	* multiple commands must be separated by newlines, not ; for now.
	* you can use a stylesheet named zshell.css
	* absolute paths may not work completely, help needed.
	* use the man command for the rest.
		
Thanks to Peter Bengtsson and Simon Michael !

hoping you'll find it as useful as I do...

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr



From juliodinis@hotmail.com  Fri May  4 12:31:33 2001
From: juliodinis@hotmail.com (Júlio Dinis Silva)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:31:33 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Fwd: Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Server hanging :-( - Implement timeout
Message-ID: <F11endgjvM9KfYDovvQ0000a638@hotmail.com>

>From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
>To: JXlio Dinis Silva <juliodinis@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Server hanging :-(
>Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:36:06 +0100
>
>JXlio Dinis Silva wrote:
> >
> > I've implemented on my running zopes the timeoutsocket.py module
> > http://www.timo-tasi.org/python/timeoutsocket.py
> > -copy timeoutsocket.py to your zope home
> > -on bottom of z2.py call, before the "# Start Medusa, Ye Hass!",
> >
> > import timeoutsocket
> > timeoutsocket.setDefaultSocketTimeout(120)
> >
> > and after that any script you have that uses a httplib, smtplib, etc
> > only runs for 120 seconds in case it falls into zombie, off course
> > you can tune this period of time according to your needs.
>
>wow... thanks, this could be really really useful :-)
>
>Chris

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From jferrer@germinus.com  Fri May  4 12:49:02 2001
From: jferrer@germinus.com (Jorge Ferrer)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:49:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Problem migrating a producto to Zope 2.3
Message-ID: <01050413490207.05680@escher>

Hi all,

I've developed a product for an Intranet using Zope 2.1 and I'm trying to 
migrate to Zope 2.3. Almost everything han gone fine as I haven't used any 
advanced feature, but I have some problems with the ZClasses which inherit 
from OFS:File.

BTW, the product consists on a container ZClass and several other ZClasses 
which represent different types of documents. 

Here is what I've done: I installed Zope 2.3.1 on a new machine and 
installed my product through a distribution file placed on the products 
directory. When I make an instance of the Container ZClass everything goes 
well and I can even make instances of some of the other ZClasses. But 
everytime I try to make an instance of a ZClass which holds a file (by 
inheriting from OFS:File) I get the following error:

===========================
Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: unsliceable object

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in 
publish_module
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in 
zpublisher_exception_hook
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: HtmlDocumentCreationPage)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in 
call_object
    (Object: HtmlDocumentCreationPage)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 189, in __call__
    (Object: HtmlDocumentCreationPage)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 538, in 
__call__
    (Object: HtmlDocumentCreationPage)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_With.py, line 133, in 
render
    (Object: HtmlDocument.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST))
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 334, in eval
    (Object: HtmlDocument.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST))
    (Info: HtmlDocument)
  File &lt;string&gt;, line 0, in ?
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZClasses/ZClass.py, line 543, in 
createInObjectManager
    (Object: HtmlDocument)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 265, in _getOb
    (Object: CatalogAware)
TypeError: (see above)

===========================

Doew anybody know what it means? How could I solve it?

Any help will be greatly appreciated :-)

Jorge


From etiennel@geospace.co.za  Fri May  4 12:32:29 2001
From: etiennel@geospace.co.za (Etienne Labuschagne)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:32:29 +0200
Subject: FW: [Zope] Getting an object from id
Message-ID: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC77F@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>

Hi there

It is the object that is reffered to as a Python Method in the add box of
the management screen.  In simple terms, the one where you write the Python
code in the browser window and not as an external .py file in the extensions
dir.

Regards
Etienne

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Withers [mailto:chrisw@nipltd.com]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:59 PM
To: Etienne Labuschagne
Cc: Zope user list (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Zope] Getting an object from id


Etienne Labuschagne wrote:
> 
> This causes an AttributeError type with value validate.  This probably
mean
> that this way of aquiring an object is not available in Python Methods,
but
> only in external Python Methods.  I would prefer to use a Python Method
and
> not an external method.

Do you mean Python Method or Python Script?

cheers,

Chris


From jose@sferacarta.com  Fri May  4 13:07:00 2001
From: jose@sferacarta.com (Jose Soares)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:07:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504125453.7297B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <3AF29B63.EBB3BD9F@sferacarta.com>

Very interesting Jerome. Maybe we can have also:

- grep: to search patterns into documents
- find or locate: to recursively search for a document name
- sed: to change text in documents

Jose'

Jerome Alet wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm very pleased to announce the new version of the Zope Shell.
>
> You can download this GPLed external method from:
>
>         http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/
>
> Current version is 0.1 and replaces 0.001
>
> Delete your old version an install this one, you'll probably love it !
>
> List of available commands (expect more soon):
>
> deluser         delete users
> adduser         add users
> lrole           add/delete local roles
> whoami          current username
> pack            pack database
> restart         restart zope
> save            save versions (untested)
> discard         discard versions (untested)
> copy            copy to clipboard
> cut             cut to clipboard
> paste           paste from clipboard
> import          import objects
> chown           change owner (doesn't work)
> man             shows help
> whatis          alias to man
> help            alias to man
> apropos         alias to man
> about           about ZShell
> google          launch a query on google
> wget            suck websites (not finished)
> mkdir           create folders recursively
> pwd             shows current working folder
> cd              change current folder
> rm              delete objects recursively
> mv              move objects (doesn't rename yet)
> cp              copy objects
> ls              list objects
>
> Any help and constructive criticism is appreciated.
>
> Hints:
>         * ls accepts meta types as its arguments, this may change soon.
>         * multiple commands must be separated by newlines, not ; for now.
>         * you can use a stylesheet named zshell.css
>         * absolute paths may not work completely, help needed.
>         * use the man command for the rest.
>
> Thanks to Peter Bengtsson and Simon Michael !
>
> hoping you'll find it as useful as I do...
>
> Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr
>
> _______________________________________________
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From alet@unice.fr  Fri May  4 13:00:57 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:00:57 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
In-Reply-To: <3AF29B63.EBB3BD9F@sferacarta.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504135948.7936A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Jose Soares wrote:

> Very interesting Jerome. Maybe we can have also:
> 
> - grep: to search patterns into documents
> - find or locate: to recursively search for a document name
> - sed: to change text in documents

grep and find were planned, I can add sed but I don't know how it works
though.

bye,

Jerome Alet



From hofmann@isl.org  Fri May  4 13:23:40 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:23:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] DateTime() BUG!
Message-ID: <3AF2BB03.27651.36725DA6@localhost>

I am still a stupid beginner to Zope, but when I am not completly wrong,
then I have found another BUG within ZOPE's DateTime():

(pseudo syntax):
enddate=3D2001/05/04

DateTime().lessThanEqualTo(enddate)

results for today (2001/05/04) into FALSE !!!

I can only assume that this happens, because the DateTime() returns
a date and a time - where enddate is only a date ....

Can someone verify this and report the bug to the developers???
Its really important for me!!

Thanks

    Kai

--=20
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Dipl.-Inform. Kai Hofmann                       mailto:hofmann@isl.org
Universitaetsallee GW1 Block A                   phone:+49 421 22096-83
D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55


From etiennel@geospace.co.za  Fri May  4 13:26:59 2001
From: etiennel@geospace.co.za (Etienne Labuschagne)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:26:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Getting an object from id
Message-ID: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC780@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>

I have used the following method successfully:

parameter passed: objectId
folder where I must retrieve the object with the name id from: fooFolder

I use the following code:

o = self.fooFolder.restrictedTraverse(objectId)

This works in a Python Method (the one where you type the Python code in the
browser) and is probably a valid way to do it.

If there are still better ways, let me know!

Etienne

-----Original Message-----
From: Etienne Labuschagne [mailto:etiennel@geospace.co.za]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:32 PM
To: Zope user list (E-mail)
Subject: FW: [Zope] Getting an object from id


Hi there

It is the object that is reffered to as a Python Method in the add box of
the management screen.  In simple terms, the one where you write the Python
code in the browser window and not as an external .py file in the extensions
dir.

Regards
Etienne

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Withers [mailto:chrisw@nipltd.com]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:59 PM
To: Etienne Labuschagne
Cc: Zope user list (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Zope] Getting an object from id


Etienne Labuschagne wrote:
> 
> This causes an AttributeError type with value validate.  This probably
mean
> that this way of aquiring an object is not available in Python Methods,
but
> only in external Python Methods.  I would prefer to use a Python Method
and
> not an external method.

Do you mean Python Method or Python Script?

cheers,

Chris

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From tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com  Fri May  4 13:29:27 2001
From: tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 13:29:27 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Apache/Zope: methods for serving high traffic?
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2E5@desi2>
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2E5@desi2>
Message-ID: <2h65ft4g8rjs24rnugj3473utdud4u9r9p@4ax.com>

On Thu, 03 May 2001 13:31:50 -0700, sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:

I spent some time planning a site with similar characteristics last
year... The project was canned before it got out of a lab environment,
so I can only offer untested advice.

>	a.
>[REQUEST]->(LOADBALANCER)->(SQUID+REDIRECTOR)->(APACHE)->(ZSERVER)
>	b.
>[REQUEST]->(LOADBALANCER)->(SQUID+REDIRECTOR)->(APACHE)->(PCGI)->(ZOPE)
>	c. [REQUEST]->(LOADBALANCER)->(SQUID+REDIRECTOR)->(ZSERVER)


You have a squid in this mix, which you say you are using as a
redirector only. How important is caching to you? In my project
caching was all important; cache misses were very expensive

In all of those scenarios squid will cache based on the
post-redirector url. If you are load balancing between n back-end
servers then you will need  n times larger cache space, and can expect
a smaller cache hit ratio (worst case; n times smaller)


What type of load balancing processing are you planning for the squid
redirector? If just a random selection, are you aware than Apache's
mod_rewrite can do that? (some of Apache's other features make it
attactive for the front-end of this proxy pipeline, but squid is not a
bad choice either)

Unlike in your application, we expected that ZEO-server latency would
be a significant factor. To reduce latency in filling ZEO client
caches we were planning to distribute load between back-end Zope's
based on dataset affinity..... That is preferring to send a request to
a Zope that has recently handled a different request for the same
data. We looked at doing this in a squid redirector, but it is not so
easy to share state between the multiple redirector processes.
Eventually we chose to implement this in a new http proxy.

Our final configuration looked like:

REQUEST->(LoadBalancer)->[(Apache)->(Squid)->(redirector)]->[(ZServer)]



Toby Dickenson
tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com


From jose@sferacarta.com  Fri May  4 13:51:08 2001
From: jose@sferacarta.com (Jose Soares)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:51:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504125453.7297B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <3AF2A5BC.86E655@sferacarta.com>

Seems that command cd doesn't work aproperly.
If I do the following commands:
-------------------------------
pwd
cd img
-------------------------------
Results:
pwd: /ALLEVATORI
cd: New folder is /ALLEVATORI/img

again:
--------------------------------
pwd
--------------------------------
Results:
pwd: /ALLEVATORI

---------------------------
It should be /ALLEVATORI/img isn't it?

Jose'


Jerome Alet wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm very pleased to announce the new version of the Zope Shell.
>
> You can download this GPLed external method from:
>
>         http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/
>
> Current version is 0.1 and replaces 0.001
>
> Delete your old version an install this one, you'll probably love it !
>
> List of available commands (expect more soon):
>
> deluser         delete users
> adduser         add users
> lrole           add/delete local roles
> whoami          current username
> pack            pack database
> restart         restart zope
> save            save versions (untested)
> discard         discard versions (untested)
> copy            copy to clipboard
> cut             cut to clipboard
> paste           paste from clipboard
> import          import objects
> chown           change owner (doesn't work)
> man             shows help
> whatis          alias to man
> help            alias to man
> apropos         alias to man
> about           about ZShell
> google          launch a query on google
> wget            suck websites (not finished)
> mkdir           create folders recursively
> pwd             shows current working folder
> cd              change current folder
> rm              delete objects recursively
> mv              move objects (doesn't rename yet)
> cp              copy objects
> ls              list objects
>
> Any help and constructive criticism is appreciated.
>
> Hints:
>         * ls accepts meta types as its arguments, this may change soon.
>         * multiple commands must be separated by newlines, not ; for now.
>         * you can use a stylesheet named zshell.css
>         * absolute paths may not work completely, help needed.
>         * use the man command for the rest.
>
> Thanks to Peter Bengtsson and Simon Michael !
>
> hoping you'll find it as useful as I do...
>
> Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr
>
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From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May  4 13:47:44 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:47:44 -0400
Subject: [Zope] DateTime() BUG!
References: <3AF2BB03.27651.36725DA6@localhost>
Message-ID: <3AF2A4F0.C9A909C5@digicool.com>

Kai Hofmann wrote:
> (pseudo syntax):
> enddate=2001/05/04
> 
> DateTime().lessThanEqualTo(enddate)
> 
> results for today (2001/05/04) into FALSE !!!
> 
> I can only assume that this happens, because the DateTime() returns
> a date and a time - where enddate is only a date ....
> 
> Can someone verify this and report the bug to the developers???
> Its really important for me!!

Hi Kai... you just did.  ;-)

Do you think you can put this in the Collector at
http://classic.zope.org:8080/Collector ?  Otherwise it may float away on
the stream of messages to the list.

- C


From alet@unice.fr  Fri May  4 13:47:53 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:47:53 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
In-Reply-To: <3AF2A5BC.86E655@sferacarta.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504144357.8314A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Jose Soares wrote:

> Seems that command cd doesn't work aproperly.
> If I do the following commands:
> -------------------------------
> pwd
> cd img
> -------------------------------
> Results:
> pwd: /ALLEVATORI
> cd: New folder is /ALLEVATORI/img
> 
> again:
> --------------------------------
> pwd
> --------------------------------
> Results:
> pwd: /ALLEVATORI
> 
> ---------------------------
> It should be /ALLEVATORI/img isn't it?

Yes, but it wasn't coded this way.

Actually (in 0.1) to successive Run! are independant one from the other,
and the current working folder is not remembered.

This is corrected in CVS, however.

Please wait one hour or two and I'll put a 0.2 online at
http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

The CVS version also corrects part of the incorrect handling of the folder
hierarchy: it's better now, but absolute paths are still problematic. 

I'll try to make wget work before publishing 0.2

bye,

Jerome



From jose@sferacarta.com  Fri May  4 14:07:06 2001
From: jose@sferacarta.com (Jose Soares)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:07:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504135948.7936A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <3AF2A97A.7AA923E6@sferacarta.com>


Jerome Alet wrote:

> On Fri, 4 May 2001, Jose Soares wrote:
>
> > Very interesting Jerome. Maybe we can have also:
> >
> > - grep: to search patterns into documents
> > - find or locate: to recursively search for a document name
> > - sed: to change text in documents
>
> grep and find were planned, I can add sed but I don't know how it works
> though.

Fine. Actually I'm using a version of zopesh implemented by me
with such commands and I find those very useful.
IMHO this is the very powerful of a shell.
The other day I needed to change the words:
<dtml-in "qry.provincie()">
with
<dtml-in "mtd.provincie(reg='ER')">
in a great number of documents
using sed 's/<dtml-in "qry.provincie()">/<dtml-in
"mtd.provincie(reg='ER')">/g' *
I did this job in a while.
Imagine you what hard work searching and changing it by hand.

Jose'



From andreas@digicool.com  Fri May  4 14:06:07 2001
From: andreas@digicool.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:06:07 -0400
Subject: [Zope] DateTime() BUG!
References: <3AF2BB03.27651.36725DA6@localhost> <3AF2A4F0.C9A909C5@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <01d401c0d49a$fb8c9380$d0063bd0@SUXLAP>

DateTime.lessThanEqualTo() expects a DateTime instance or a floating point
number. So you pass a wrong argument.
But I admit the error handling should be better at this point :-)

Andreas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
To: <hofmann@isl.org>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] DateTime() BUG!


> Kai Hofmann wrote:
> > (pseudo syntax):
> > enddate=2001/05/04
> >
> > DateTime().lessThanEqualTo(enddate)
> >
> > results for today (2001/05/04) into FALSE !!!
> >
> > I can only assume that this happens, because the DateTime() returns
> > a date and a time - where enddate is only a date ....
> >
> > Can someone verify this and report the bug to the developers???
> > Its really important for me!!
>
> Hi Kai... you just did.  ;-)
>
> Do you think you can put this in the Collector at
> http://classic.zope.org:8080/Collector ?  Otherwise it may float away on
> the stream of messages to the list.
>
> - C
>
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From marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de  Fri May  4 14:29:06 2001
From: marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de (Marcus Schopen)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:29:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] TinyTablePlus: get next row?
Message-ID: <988982946.3af2aea2dede4@marcus.localguru.de>

Hi,

is there a possibility to get the next row?

Thank you
Marcus


From miket@hilgraeve.com  Fri May  4 14:39:06 2001
From: miket@hilgraeve.com (Mike Thompson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:39:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope] SybaseDAv2
Message-ID: <00a001c0d49f$98b17870$86db5bcf@mthompson>

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Hello,

We are using the Zope - Sybase DA (SybaseDAv2) to interface multiple =
application servers to a Sybase 11.9.2 backend server. Both are running =
Redhat 6.2. Periodically, the database connection is being lost on one =
or more of the application servers. When this happens, the DA database =
connection cannot be re-established until zope is restarted. Any =
requests made give the error '<method> is not connected to a database'. =
Access is no problem with the isql client from the same machine. It =
seems to me that the DA is getting into a state where it is blocking db =
requests for some reason. Has anyone else seen this type of behavior? Is =
there a fix or workaround?

Thanks in advance,
Mike Thompson
Hilgraeve Inc.

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From alet@unice.fr  Fri May  4 14:56:03 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:56:03 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504155317.8314E-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi again,

the 0.2 version of the Zope Shell is online at:

http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

New features:

	* bug corrections

	* a better whoami, thanks to Peter Bengtsson

	* wget now works and allows you to suck websites
	  (not recursively yet) and put them into the ZODB.

enjoy !

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr 



From jojo@farm9.com  Fri May  4 15:02:16 2001
From: jojo@farm9.com (Joh Johannsen)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 07:02:16 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Session scoped variables
References: <F7GNs3zMT9VpZ7oNkD400011c42@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3AF2B668.8FECFBB1@farm9.com>

Install the CoreSessionTracking product

1. create Session Id Manager at highest level you might ever need
sessions, use default values (i.e. ignore the options it presents to
you, just click "Add")

2. create Session Data Manager in the same folder, give it the name
"whyDoIhaveToCreateThisThing"

3. in your standard_html_header (or someplace called by every page,
add):

<dtml-call
"REQUEST.set('sessionData',whyDoIhaveToCreateThisThing.getSessionData())">

otherwise you have to do:

  <dtml-with whyDoIhaveToCreateThisThing>
   <dtml-let sessionData=getSessionData>
    ...now I have a sessionData object!
   </dtml-let>
  </dtml-with>

After these three steps, you basically have the equivalent of the much
easier to comprehend SQLSession interface (SQL session not as complete
however, to get it working you have to create database tables and
implement garbage collection ... with core session, nothing left to do)

   sessionData.get('key')
   sessionData.set('key',value)
   sessionData.delete('key')
   sessionData.has_key('key')


Regards,

JJ

Tommy Johnson wrote:
> 
> Ok, now I have another question. How do you maintain state within Zope? I'm
> particularly interested in session scoped variables. Currently I'm trying to
> learn Zope by building an e-commerce application, and in all other
> languages, (ASP, ColdFusion, etc...) you have session scope available to you
> in order to track individual users, their individual shopping carts,
> customer info, etc.
> 
> I haven't been able to find anything yet for Zope. It isn't something like
> SESSION.(whatever) is it?
> 
> Also, does anyone know of a place that may have working examples of things
> of this nature. I'm thinking of publishing something like that (trials,
> discoveries, obstacles, how I solved them, and the like) after I complete
> this application. If I had something like that, it would benefit me greatly,
> so if there isn't anything out there ...
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Tommy
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From Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>  Fri May  4 15:04:06 2001
From: Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net> (Oliver Bleutgen)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:04:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Question about cache management
Message-ID: <E14vgM0-00072E-00@mail.python.org>

Hi zopistas,

I'm currently trying to tune a site for production use.
Now I'm thinking about how to best implement caching.
My problem is that esp. the first two levels  of the site are
dynamically created from pulling together summary
information from zclasses further down, and these
"summary" pages all come from one index_html
via acqusition.
i.e.
root folder
          index_html
          content folder
                  content_folder_1
                        some zclasses
                   content2_folder_2
                        some zclasses                 
                  ..etc...


So using bobobase_modification_time
for the http-header isn't optimal I guess.

Has anybody found a nice strategy to cleverly
handle this kind of situation?

Another question:
Does anybody know how the RAM Cache Manager
decides to purge an object? 
Is that just done by setting the "cleanup intervall"

Btw:
While doing testing I compared the RAM Cache Manager
to apache's mod_proxy and to no cache at all.
I got (on a PII 350 +64Meg)
no cache: approx. 8 hits/sec
Ram Cache: approx.: 50 hits/sec
Apache+proxy approx: 500 hits/sec


I know the reasons, but I found it nonetheless
interesting.

cheers,
oliver



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May  4 15:22:06 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:22:06 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Re: Product Creation and Permission]
References: <20010503215103.25430.qmail@nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <3AF2BB0E.CFFEF6C@kaivo.com>

Jason Joy wrote:
> 
> I also found this interesting.
> 
> In a regular vanilla DTML document, if you put this in:
> 
> <dtml-var "REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER']">
> 
> You'll get something like this back:
> 
> jj
> 
> However, in method B of my Product, when it goes to the index_html for the
> product, and I put in the above, I get this back:
> 
> Site Error
> An error was encountered while publishing this resource.
> 
> exceptions.TypeError
> 
> Sorry, a site error occurred.
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
> publish_module
>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in
> publish
>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in
> publish
>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in
> mapply
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in
> call_object
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 127, in
> __call__
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line
> 538, in __call__
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 334,
> in eval
>     (Object: REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER'])
>     (Info: REQUEST)
>   File <string>, line 0, in ?
>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 161,
> in careful_getitem
> TypeError: sequence index must be integer
> 
> Which I think is directly related to what I am experiencing with getting the
> manage_main.
> 
> Jason
> 

Very interesting. Can you post the revised Python code of your product?

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May  4 15:25:44 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:25:44 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
References: <3AF12072.29158.3068FAC8@localhost> <01050315201500.01878@tokey> <3AF16AF1.27D9B327@kaivo.com> <01050409323901.00747@tokey>
Message-ID: <3AF2BBE8.D9065132@kaivo.com>

"bak (kedai)" wrote:
> 
> >
> > Assuming version 2.3, try:
> >
> > <dtml-in expr="subdir.objectValues()"
> > sort_expr="bobo_modification_time()">
> >
> > since it is a method.
> >
> > hth,
> 
> what's the difference between using sort and sort_expr?  the sort=something
> has been there since forever :) and i have been using it in my codes.  is it
> something bad?
> 
> thanks

No, that should work. The lack of quotes tells Zope it is a named
attribute, so it will call it properly when it is a method like above.
sort_expr lets you sort by a Python expression. You way is probably best
though in this case.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Fri May  4 15:33:43 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:33:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504135948.7936A-100000@cortex.unice.fr> <3AF2A97A.7AA923E6@sferacarta.com>
Message-ID: <004801c0d4a7$38a5f0c0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

"Jose Soares" <jose@sferacarta.com> wrote:
> Fine. Actually I'm using a version of zopesh implemented by me
> with such commands and I find those very useful.
> IMHO this is the very powerful of a shell.
> The other day I needed to change the words:
> <dtml-in "qry.provincie()">
> with
> <dtml-in "mtd.provincie(reg='ER')">
> in a great number of documents
> using sed 's/<dtml-in "qry.provincie()">/<dtml-in
> "mtd.provincie(reg='ER')">/g' *
> I did this job in a while.
> Imagine you what hard work searching and changing it by hand.

Jose that's great..
Are you going to post the sed code somehere?

Even though I do not know sed very well, I would still love to have it
included in the toolkit. Your exmle alone is rason to learn to use it well.

Is your version a completely separate one from Jerome's or an extension?
Either way, everyone will benefit if you can merge your work asap :-)

ZShells really bring Zope in line with the core Python design philosophy of
interactive command line interpreter. They are a really important exciting
addition to Zope and its Management Interface. Also cuold be connected in
interesting ways to backend Python manipulation of Zope [live using ZEO].

I look forwards to having ZShell scripting .. any ideas how to do this
right?

today's top 10  wishlist-->

1. grep
2. find
3. history
4. pipes
5. if then loops
6. while do
7. environment variables
8. regular expressions
9. .zsh scripts
10 .zrc config


./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May  4 15:27:45 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:27:45 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope book error or version difference?
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010503220336.021d96e0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <3AF2BC61.8A0AACFE@kaivo.com>

Dennis Nichols wrote:
> 
> Zope Book .pdf fetched today says on page 258
> 
> >ObjectManager Constructor
> >
> >manage_addDocument(id, title)
> >
> >Add a DTML Document to the current ObjectManager
> 
> But when I call manage_addDocument from DTML using in Zope 2.2.2, it
> actually adds a DTML Method (!)
> 
> However, manage_addDTMLDocument(id, title) does add a DTML Document. Could
> be a change between 2.2.2 and 2.3.x or it could be an error in the book, in
> which case I thought I should point it out. Or maybe I should've skipped
> the beer with dinner.
> 
> --
> Dennis Nichols
> nichols@tradingconnections.com
> 

AFAIK manage_addDocument is a deprecated API call from the days before
there were both DTML methods and documents.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From humcommunications@hotmail.com  Fri May  4 15:28:56 2001
From: humcommunications@hotmail.com (Lee Hunter)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:28:56 -0400
Subject: [Zope] OO vs Relational Databases
Message-ID: <F202mrvoGdKO8FNpyLA00008872@hotmail.com>

Interesting article on Slashdot this morning

http://slashdot.org/features/01/05/03/1434242.shtml

Looks at the pros and cons of usinng an OO database (the Zope model) versus 
rdbms.


Cheers

Lee Hunter

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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May  4 15:29:44 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:29:44 -0600
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
References: <20010503211308.6766.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <3AF22A47.AED75F3@artlover.com> <005201c0d46c$7c7a9a20$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3AF2BCD8.238D4890@kaivo.com>

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> 
[snip]
> 
> My main concern is for beginners (of Zope) and when you share an install
> with more Z people.
> So it has to be possible to _skin_ the ZMI in some way. Just like you can
> with KDE for Linux. You can change the Look&Feel for _your_ user account, so
> that different users have different icons on their desktop etc.
> Would it not be possible to do something like this in the future for Zope. I
> ask especially the DC folks who know more of Z's future.
> 

I'll second that.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From drees@the-bridge.net  Fri May  4 15:30:56 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:30:56 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zope as Portal Server
In-Reply-To: <20010503204022.3288.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOIEOGDFAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> Was researching something for work and was curious if anyone had 
> any thoughts as to how ZOPE could be used as a PORTAL SERVER? 

We could call it, ummm, Portal Toolkit. Yeah, that's the ticket.

:)

Check out http://cmf.zope.org





From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May  4 15:36:19 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:36:19 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Problem migrating a producto to Zope 2.3
References: <01050413490207.05680@escher>
Message-ID: <3AF2BE63.649D856A@kaivo.com>

Jorge Ferrer wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've developed a product for an Intranet using Zope 2.1 and I'm trying to
> migrate to Zope 2.3. Almost everything han gone fine as I haven't used any
> advanced feature, but I have some problems with the ZClasses which inherit
> from OFS:File.
> 
> BTW, the product consists on a container ZClass and several other ZClasses
> which represent different types of documents.
> 
> Here is what I've done: I installed Zope 2.3.1 on a new machine and
> installed my product through a distribution file placed on the products
> directory. When I make an instance of the Container ZClass everything goes
> well and I can even make instances of some of the other ZClasses. But
> everytime I try to make an instance of a ZClass which holds a file (by
> inheriting from OFS:File) I get the following error:
> 
> ===========================
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: unsliceable object
> 
[snip]

Try upgrading to 2.3.2 there was a bug in 2.3.1 with instanciating
ZClasses that subclassed base classes that has a method for their id
(Which OFS.File does). That looks like the problem here.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From p.mayers@ic.ac.uk  Fri May  4 15:37:24 2001
From: p.mayers@ic.ac.uk (Mayers, Philip J)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:37:24 +0100
Subject: [Zope] \'s in ZSQL methods with Postgresql
Message-ID: <A0F836836670D41183A800508BAF190B35E5CB@icex1.cc.ic.ac.uk>

This:

update tb1 set cl1=<dtml-sqlvar val1 type=nb>,who=<dtml-sqlvar
"REQUEST.AUTHENTICATED_USER">,time=now()

Called with:

sqlmethod(val1='\')

Fails with:

Error Type: ProgrammingError
Error Value: ERROR: parser: parse error at or near "loginname" update tb1
set cl1='\',who='loginname',time=now()

Clearly the \ needs to be escaped. Is this Postgres specific? If so, why
isn't the DA (ZPsycopg) quoting it? Running Zope 2.3.2

Regards,
Phil

+----------------------------------+
| Phil Mayers, Network Support     |
| Centre for Computing Services    |
| Imperial College                 |
+----------------------------------+  


From tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com  Fri May  4 15:49:17 2001
From: tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:49:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Question about cache management
In-Reply-To: <E14vgM0-00072E-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E14vgM0-00072E-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <24g5ft042uasrhjc4uesr2va9l3mi60c34@4ax.com>

On Fri, 4 May 2001 16:04:06 +0200, Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>
wrote:

>Has anybody found a nice strategy to cleverly
>handle this kind of situation?

Two options:

PULL: scrounge modification times from all the individual objects that
make up your page, every time the page is requested.

PUSH: modify the critical methods that modify the state of the objects
that make up your page, so that they maintain some global
last-modified value.

The best solution may be a combination of both.



Toby Dickenson
tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com


From jose@sferacarta.com  Fri May  4 16:06:45 2001
From: jose@sferacarta.com (Jose Soares)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 17:06:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504135948.7936A-100000@cortex.unice.fr> <3AF2A97A.7AA923E6@sferacarta.com> <004801c0d4a7$38a5f0c0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <3AF2C585.FBD3E3AD@sferacarta.com>

I'm sorry to disapoint you Jason but I'm talking about
zopesh Copyrighted by Stefane Fermigier, www.fermigier.com.


Jason Cunliffe wrote:

> "Jose Soares" <jose@sferacarta.com> wrote:
> > Fine. Actually I'm using a version of zopesh implemented by me
> > with such commands and I find those very useful.
> > IMHO this is the very powerful of a shell.
> > The other day I needed to change the words:
> > <dtml-in "qry.provincie()">
> > with
> > <dtml-in "mtd.provincie(reg='ER')">
> > in a great number of documents
> > using sed 's/<dtml-in "qry.provincie()">/<dtml-in
> > "mtd.provincie(reg='ER')">/g' *
> > I did this job in a while.
> > Imagine you what hard work searching and changing it by hand.
>
> Jose that's great..
> Are you going to post the sed code somehere?
>
> Even though I do not know sed very well, I would still love to have it
> included in the toolkit. Your exmle alone is rason to learn to use it well.
>
> Is your version a completely separate one from Jerome's or an extension?
> Either way, everyone will benefit if you can merge your work asap :-)
>
> ZShells really bring Zope in line with the core Python design philosophy of
> interactive command line interpreter. They are a really important exciting
> addition to Zope and its Management Interface. Also cuold be connected in
> interesting ways to backend Python manipulation of Zope [live using ZEO].
>
> I look forwards to having ZShell scripting .. any ideas how to do this
> right?
>
> today's top 10  wishlist-->
>
> 1. grep
> 2. find
> 3. history
> 4. pipes
> 5. if then loops
> 6. while do
> 7. environment variables
> 8. regular expressions
> 9. .zsh scripts
> 10 .zrc config
>
> ./Jason
> ___________________________________________________________
> Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May  4 16:03:26 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:03:26 -0600
Subject: [Zope] \'s in ZSQL methods with Postgresql
References: <A0F836836670D41183A800508BAF190B35E5CB@icex1.cc.ic.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3AF2C4BE.EF78F3B1@kaivo.com>

"Mayers, Philip J" wrote:
> 
> This:
> 
> update tb1 set cl1=<dtml-sqlvar val1 type=nb>,who=<dtml-sqlvar
> "REQUEST.AUTHENTICATED_USER">,time=now()
> 
> Called with:
> 
> sqlmethod(val1='\')
> 
> Fails with:
> 
> Error Type: ProgrammingError
> Error Value: ERROR: parser: parse error at or near "loginname" update tb1
> set cl1='\',who='loginname',time=now()
> 
> Clearly the \ needs to be escaped. Is this Postgres specific? If so, why
> isn't the DA (ZPsycopg) quoting it? Running Zope 2.3.2
> 
> Regards,
> Phil
> 

Yes, the error is coming from postgres. In theory the sqlvar tag should
be dealing with this (it should be escaping '\' as '\\'). My hunch is
that it is a bug in the DA so it is not telling sqlvar how to properly
quote it.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From fog@mixadlive.com  Fri May  4 16:05:13 2001
From: fog@mixadlive.com (Federico Di Gregorio)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:05:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Psycopg] \'s in ZSQL methods with Postgresql
In-Reply-To: <A0F836836670D41183A800508BAF190B35E5CB@icex1.cc.ic.ac.uk>; from p.mayers@ic.ac.uk on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 03:37:24PM +0100
References: <A0F836836670D41183A800508BAF190B35E5CB@icex1.cc.ic.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20010504170513.B923@mixadlive.com>

Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Mayers, Philip J's letter:
> This:
> 
> update tb1 set cl1=<dtml-sqlvar val1 type=nb>,who=<dtml-sqlvar
> "REQUEST.AUTHENTICATED_USER">,time=now()
> 
> Called with:
> 
> sqlmethod(val1='\')
> 
> Fails with:
> 
> Error Type: ProgrammingError
> Error Value: ERROR: parser: parse error at or near "loginname" update tb1
> set cl1='\',who='loginname',time=now()
> 
> Clearly the \ needs to be escaped. Is this Postgres specific? If so, why
> isn't the DA (ZPsycopg) quoting it? Running Zope 2.3.2

you are right, quoting will be fixed in the next release (we use psycopg
much more than ZPsycopgDA, so this one still has some rought edges...)
btw, what does 'type=nb' means? (i only know of string and int...)

ciao,
federico

-- 
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MIXAD LIVE Chief of Research & Technology              fog@mixadlive.com
Debian GNU/Linux Developer & Italian Press Contact        fog@debian.org
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From alet@unice.fr  Fri May  4 16:03:26 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:03:26 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
In-Reply-To: <004801c0d4a7$38a5f0c0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504163724.8314F-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Jason Cunliffe wrote:

> "Jose Soares" <jose@sferacarta.com> wrote:
> > using sed 's/<dtml-in "qry.provincie()">/<dtml-in
> > "mtd.provincie(reg='ER')">/g' *
> > I did this job in a while.
> > Imagine you what hard work searching and changing it by hand.
> 
> Is your version a completely separate one from Jerome's or an extension?
> Either way, everyone will benefit if you can merge your work asap :-)

good idea, any help is welcome.

> today's top 10  wishlist-->
> 
> 1. grep
> 2. find
> 3. history
> 4. pipes
> 5. if then loops
> 6. while do
> 7. environment variables
> 8. regular expressions
> 9. .zsh scripts
> 10 .zrc config

the itseasiertodointhisorder list seems to be different...

What I need to know from ZShell users is:

Do you prefer that grep and/or sed work on the main content only or also
on properties for each object ? It's not evident what I should do.

Does someone already have a shell expansion routine, which behaves like
bash for example ? What I lack most is how to explode the command line
taking care of quotes, the rest I know how to do.

Do you prefer for the history to be stored as a property of the root
folder, a property of each different folder in which you use zshell, or as
an external file ?

Same question for .zrc

Pipes will be somewhat difficult because my output is very HTML centric...
and because pipes are pipes :-(
 
Do you want ls to stay simple and use find when you want complicated
things or do you want both ls and find to be complicated ? (I already know
the answer)

Doing .zsh scripts I don't know how, neither do I for "if", "for" and
"while"

Do you want to be able to set environnement variables ? Is it possible or
not ? If yes, I don't know, so any help is appreciated.

Do you want for zshell to reuse the user's preferences in ZMI (width,
height) for its textarea ?

What I would like to do is a su command, but don't know how.

Current plan is:

Partly in CVS:
	lsprop, delprop, addprop, chgprop
	mkver, delver, loginv, logoutv

This week-end I hope:
	history
	environment variables
	grep, sed, find
	export, exportxml

The Secret Ideas for next week (if possible at all) :

	su
	python
	
Do you see other things you need ?

bye,

Jerome Alet



From p.mayers@ic.ac.uk  Fri May  4 16:49:24 2001
From: p.mayers@ic.ac.uk (Mayers, Philip J)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:49:24 +0100
Subject: [Zope] RE: [Psycopg] \'s in ZSQL methods with Postgresql
Message-ID: <A0F836836670D41183A800508BAF190B35E5DD@icex1.cc.ic.ac.uk>

Ok, thanks.

Regards,
Phil

+----------------------------------+
| Phil Mayers, Network Support     |
| Centre for Computing Services    |
| Imperial College                 |
+----------------------------------+  

-----Original Message-----
From: Federico Di Gregorio [mailto:fog@mixadlive.com]
Sent: 04 May 2001 16:05
To: Mayers, Philip J
Cc: 'psycopg@lists.initd.org'; 'zope@zope.org'
Subject: Re: [Psycopg] \'s in ZSQL methods with Postgresql


Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Mayers, Philip J's letter:
> This:
> 
> update tb1 set cl1=<dtml-sqlvar val1 type=nb>,who=<dtml-sqlvar
> "REQUEST.AUTHENTICATED_USER">,time=now()
> 
> Called with:
> 
> sqlmethod(val1='\')
> 
> Fails with:
> 
> Error Type: ProgrammingError
> Error Value: ERROR: parser: parse error at or near "loginname" update tb1
> set cl1='\',who='loginname',time=now()
> 
> Clearly the \ needs to be escaped. Is this Postgres specific? If so, why
> isn't the DA (ZPsycopg) quoting it? Running Zope 2.3.2

you are right, quoting will be fixed in the next release (we use psycopg
much more than ZPsycopgDA, so this one still has some rought edges...)
btw, what does 'type=nb' means? (i only know of string and int...)

ciao,
federico

-- 
Federico Di Gregorio
MIXAD LIVE Chief of Research & Technology              fog@mixadlive.com
Debian GNU/Linux Developer & Italian Press Contact        fog@debian.org
  Try the Joy of TeX [http://www.tug.org]
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From lstafford@morphics.com  Fri May  4 17:03:40 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:03:40 -0700
Subject: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
In-Reply-To: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJOEBFCJAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICAEBMGGAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

A term I've heard other developers use for the practice of extracting data
from a foreign system by capturing ("scraping") data from it's "screen"
displays instead of from well-defined interfaces.

-- Loren

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Fischer [mailto:marcbpc@gmx.de]
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 01:50
> To: Loren Stafford; Marc Fischer
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: AW: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
>
>
>
>
> > Did you get enough new  material to write a HowTo? "How To
> Screen Scrape"
> >
> > -- Loren
> >
>
> I could. But what do you mean with "Screen Scrape" ???
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>



From dave@kovach.com  Fri May  4 17:01:55 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 4 May 2001 09:01:55 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope as Portal Server
Message-ID: <20010504160155.19675.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Steve -

Please go back and read other messages in this thread. As, CMF is not the same thing as I am talking about. I am talking about having CONNECTORS into different enterprise applications that then use ZOPE to handle security, state, other informational content etc. 

As far as I can see... CMF is very content-portal driven... Its original name Portal Toolkit was more appropriate for what I am talking about - obviously thats why its now called CMF (?!?).

The CONNECTORS create a "user cockpit" of mini-applications to do specific tasks from one interface rather than having 4 or 5 applications open at the same time - creates a more productive enterprise work environment thats focused on what the users need to get done.

It isnt about managing NEWS content (though, portals of today take in any content/application data)... so, they steal alot of the premise behind a corporate intranet too. 

Of course, this discertation is way off my point which was to discuss ZOPE as an application server with extensions that provide data connection into different corporate applications...


David Kovach
dave@kovach.com
On Fri, 04 May 2001, "Steve Drees" wrote:

> 
> > Was researching something for work and was curious if anyone had 
> > any thoughts as to how ZOPE could be used as a PORTAL SERVER? 
> 
> We could call it, ummm, Portal Toolkit. Yeah, that's the ticket.
> 
> :)
> 
> Check out http://cmf.zope.org


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From lstafford@morphics.com  Fri May  4 17:06:22 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:06:22 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Uploading images - no image!
In-Reply-To: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC778@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICEEBMGGAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

Make sure your form is declared like this:

<form name="Form_name" action="your_method" method="Post"
ENCTYPE="multipart/form-data">

The part that says ENCTYPE="multipart/form-data" is the essential part for
upload applications.

-- Loren

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> Etienne Labuschagne
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 00:32
> To: Zope user list (E-mail)
> Subject: [Zope] Uploading images - no image!
>
>
> Hi there
>
> The Python Method (not external Python Method!) below must upload an image
> after being given the id, title and filename (on the client
> computer).  This
> should work the same way as the management interface based image
> uploading.
> Somehow, this function causes the image to be created, but is seems to
> contain no image data (you cannot view the image).  What am I doing wrong?
>
>
> (self is passed as the only parameter.  id, title and file are set in the
> calling form)
>
> id = self.REQUEST['id']
> title = self.REQUEST['title']
> file = self.REQUEST['file']
>
> self.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].manage_addImage(id,file,title)
>
> return "Your image is uploaded."
>
> _______________________________________________
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From marc@bowery.com  Fri May  4 17:26:41 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:26:41 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
In-Reply-To: <3AF2BCD8.238D4890@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <B7185080.2C376%marc@bowery.com>

For now, could be done using the HOTFIX technique, no?
http://www.zope.org/Members/Caseman/Dynamic_Hotfix


> From: Casey Duncan <cduncan@kaivo.com>
> Organization: Kaivo, Inc. (www.kaivo.com)
> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:29:44 -0600
> To: Peter Bengtsson <mail@peterbe.com>
> Cc: Ausum <augusto@artlover.com>, zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
> 
> Peter Bengtsson wrote:
>> 
> [snip]
>> 
>> My main concern is for beginners (of Zope) and when you share an install
>> with more Z people.
>> So it has to be possible to _skin_ the ZMI in some way. Just like you can
>> with KDE for Linux. You can change the Look&Feel for _your_ user account, so
>> that different users have different icons on their desktop etc.
>> Would it not be possible to do something like this in the future for Zope. I
>> ask especially the DC folks who know more of Z's future.
>> 
> 
> I'll second that.
> 
> 



From zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at>  Fri May  4 17:35:40 2001
From: zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at> (zope-mailinglist)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 18:35:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] best streaming practice??
Message-ID: <002601c0d4b8$420e0560$6400a8c0@monty>

hello

is there anybody who has experience with streaming audio and video files
from zope?

does anybody no a good solution, maybe for use in a python product ?

thx


From andreas@digicool.com  Fri May  4 17:44:40 2001
From: andreas@digicool.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:44:40 -0400
Subject: [Zope] best streaming practice??
References: <002601c0d4b8$420e0560$6400a8c0@monty>
Message-ID: <028f01c0d4b9$83871440$d0063bd0@SUXLAP>

I don't know a general solution for Zope but for streaming MP3
you should take a look at http://edna.sourceforge.net/ .

Andreas
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To: <zope@zope.org>
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Subject: [Zope] best streaming practice??


> hello
> 
> is there anybody who has experience with streaming audio and video files
> from zope?
> 
> does anybody no a good solution, maybe for use in a python product ?
> 
> thx
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From kedai@kedai.com.my  Fri May  4 17:39:52 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (Bak @ kedai)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:39:52 +0800
Subject: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.
Message-ID: <008401c0d4b9$22d693a0$645eb8ca@defaultcn>

-----Original Message-----
From: Loren Stafford <lstafford@morphics.com>
To: Marc Fischer <marcbpc@gmx.de>
Cc: zope@zope.org <zope@zope.org>
Date: Saturday, May 05, 2001 12:02 AM
Subject: RE: AW: AW: [Zope] Source from form result.


>A term I've heard other developers use for the practice of extracting data
>from a foreign system by capturing ("scraping") data from it's "screen"
>displays instead of from well-defined interfaces.
>
>-- Loren
>

<shameless plug type="newbie">
also, there's a product that do this specifically, although not as polished.
now in alpha, awaiting comments, help, pointers.
http://www.zope.org/Members/kedai/KebasData
</shameless plug>




From barryp@medicine.nodak.edu  Fri May  4 18:01:53 2001
From: barryp@medicine.nodak.edu (Barry Pederson)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:01:53 -0500
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] CMFLDAP product released
References: <EOELKLJMNADGAEJABNCIKEICDGAA.briga@borland.com>
Message-ID: <3AF2E081.F49C4E86@medicine.nodak.edu>

Ben Riga wrote:
> 
> I tried to get this working on a Windows system a while back but was never
> able to get all the pieces together.  It appears that the underlying LDAP
> objects are primarily available only on Linux.
> 
> Now that this is available for CMF I'd like to try this again.  Do you know
> of a site where I could get information on setting this up for Windows NT or
> 2K?

Sounds like you guys are looking for:

  http://www.it.uq.edu.au/personal/leonard/dc-prj/ldapmodule/

particularly, the section titled: Precompiled WIN32 install instructions

It's got a link to the UMich LDAP binaries (you just need one DLL from there),
and link to a zip file containing a ldap.pyd - which I just tried and seems to
with with the Python 1.5.2 that comes with Zope 2.3.2.  However, don't know if
that .pyd file is current enough to work with the current Zope products (the
.pyd looks like it might be v1.5a, while the current version on sourceforge is
1.10a3).

I've been able to compile ldap.pyd files of v 1.10a3 for Python 2.0 and 2.1,
and could try making a Python 1.5.2 if it's needed and none can be found
elsewhere.   Sure will be nice when Zope gets caught-up to Python 2.1.

	Barry


From augusto@artlover.com  Fri May  4 18:36:13 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:36:13 -0500
Subject: [Zope] best streaming practice??
References: <002601c0d4b8$420e0560$6400a8c0@monty> <028f01c0d4b9$83871440$d0063bd0@SUXLAP>
Message-ID: <3AF2E88D.74BBC890@artlover.com>

Both popular current streamming solutions are copyrighted. I prefer Windows
Media because as it's bundled within Windows 2000 server, it offers an almost
turnkey solution for producing streamming files. (I never though I was going to
say it, but the overall media quality is better than RealNetworks's.)

If I were to give an immediate answer, I'd say: Use Windows Media to produce
files and serve them, LocalFS to bring pre-streamming media files directories
into Zope, and write your own Zope logic to translate a request to LocalFS
content, to correspondant URLs to the streamming media server. Then, if I were
still in budget, I'd contract Akamai to speed up my streams.

As I said it before, LocalFS needs some aditional work to offer full
acquisition features and metadata storing, but it's the entrance door to a
fully featured media asset management system. 


Ausum



Andreas Jung wrote:
> 
> I don't know a general solution for Zope but for streaming MP3
> you should take a look at http://edna.sourceforge.net/ .
> 
> Andreas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "zope-mailinglist" <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:35 PM
> Subject: [Zope] best streaming practice??
> 
> > hello
> >
> > is there anybody who has experience with streaming audio and video files
> > from zope?
> >
> > does anybody no a good solution, maybe for use in a python product ?
> >
> > thx
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Fri May  4 19:08:56 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:08:56 -0400
Subject: [Zope] best streaming practice??
References: <002601c0d4b8$420e0560$6400a8c0@monty>
Message-ID: <00fc01c0d4c5$4a3e0c00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

Good question.

I am also researching Audio+Video streaming Zope tools.

A couple of immediate suggestions :

1. Radio Free Pete
Free, uses GPL tools, crass platform playback, authoring Win32 + Linux
http://www.zope.org/Members/pgautier/rfp/ZRFP/



<quote>
Radio Free Pete is an mp3 jukebox. With it you can:
Index your mp3 files
Control your icecast server
Stream mp3s to icecast
Create multiple streams
Manage playlists
Rate, request, and skip songs
In short, you can use for anything from a personal mp3 organizer and jukebox
to a global Internet radio station.
</quote>

Radio Free Pete uses Icecast
www.icecast.org


2. Flix
www.wildform.com
$99
Video Streaming via Flash
Authoring on Win23 uses Quicktime and Windows Media running
Cross-platform playback wherever Flash player is installed

This is a very strange rather amazing new tool. Flash does not really 'do'
video.
But flash has streaming. So Flix converts video using Quicktime or windows
media tools into .swf files. The clever thing is one has good control over
the interface which no other Video web solution offers. They all force one
into using their ugly pop-up separate ad-laden players. With Flix you can
create your own interface, including overlays, titling, navigation,
metadata, whatever ..

Flix scales to bandwidth very nicely. It is very fast, has small footprint
and is effective.
The application is a starighforward easy-to-use tool. It has lower visual
quality in general than other video streaming, depending upon settings and
your audiences needs, so this may rule it out.  I will be surprised if Flix
does not get a lot of use by porn industry. They are always first to exploit
[ahem]  adopt fast, cheap, working, _understandable_ plug'n'play technology.

Check the online samples at Wildform, download a demo and make some tests of
your own source at different settings. I did & promptly bought a copy:-) I
am working to have ZopeFlashVideo site up soon

The distinct advantages are control of interface and speed. For example, it
makes a great video catalog/server interface using Zope. Flash integrates
very well with Zope for several reasons:

- Similar container context object paradigm
- Uses ActionScript [JavaScript EcmasScript variant] which makes for easy
trnaslations to/from Python programming
- inteface to Zope and pass data via getURL() and loadVariables() functions
- includes XML handling for fast data passing and better asbtraction

3. Comments
Flix can also be used for the Audio only. I need to test this altertative.
Flash also does audio streaming so you can go that route too. But
RadioFreePete/Icecast seems a better path for pure audio. The icecast sites
I have been listening to recently are pretty good.
http://yp.icecast.org/index.html?search=all


hth
& please do keep me posted of any ideas/tools/work


./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']

----- Original Message -----
From: "zope-mailinglist" <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:35 PM
Subject: [Zope] best streaming practice??


> hello
>
> is there anybody who has experience with streaming audio and video files
> from zope?
>
> does anybody no a good solution, maybe for use in a python product ?




From zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at>  Fri May  4 19:20:55 2001
From: zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at> (zope-mailinglist)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 20:20:55 +0200
Subject: [Zope] best streaming practice??
References: <002601c0d4b8$420e0560$6400a8c0@monty>
Message-ID: <003401c0d4c6$f64453a0$6400a8c0@monty>

thanks for your answers

isnt there a solution for unix/linux?
my solution should run on freebsd 4.3

i would like to stream mpeg2 or (in my dreams) mpeg4 (divx) :)

i took a look at darwin - but it seems that it only understands qt format

dono if i'm right


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "zope-mailinglist" <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 6:35 PM
Subject: [Zope] best streaming practice??


> hello
> 
> is there anybody who has experience with streaming audio and video files
> from zope?
> 
> does anybody no a good solution, maybe for use in a python product ?
> 
> thx
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
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> 


From tom@othermedia.com  Fri May  4 19:48:58 2001
From: tom@othermedia.com (tom smith)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 19:48:58 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Xron not firing reliably
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICCEAOGGAA.lstafford@morphics.com>
Message-ID: <B718B82A.2C78%tom@othermedia.com>

I've been having the same problems. After I upgraded my zope from 2.1 to
2.2.3, they worked fine before that.

Cheers

Tom

-- 
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http://www.othermedia.com/blog
tel 020 8541 5355  | fax 020 8541 5507
11 penrhyn road, kingston-upon-thames, london KT1 2BZ



From cbeaumon@msri.org  Fri May  4 19:55:33 2001
From: cbeaumon@msri.org (Chris Beaumont)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:55:33 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Summarization and Zope
References: <3ADFB0C8.67C1B22E@artlover.com> <p05010402b7175166962e@[192.168.1.2]> <001901c0d402$1a712660$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <3AF2DE70.445EEC2@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <3AF2FB22.A71E4245@msri.org>

Hi Assum,

	It's 'HTML::Summary'


http://search.cpan.org/doc/TGROSE/HTML-Summary-0.017/lib/HTML/Summary.pm


(I'm enclosing the info for it at the bottom of the page) 

What I was thinking is that it might be possible to parse a given
rendered page just before actually delivering it in the RESPONSE object,
and insert a short summary in the meta-description tag.. on the fly..  I
also wouldnt be suprised if the PERL summarization module might also be
able to be coaxed to give us keywords.. (the 'fork words' in the 'tree')

There are two guys at a company called Glucose that make a similar
tree-summarization product for the Mac, (it works amazingly well) and I
suggested a similar thing for them around two years ago (to be used with
static pages..) and they actually turned my idea into a commercial
product.. Unfortunately, it is Mac only and cant be used with Zope.. I
didnt ask them for any money, but they did put my name in the about box
*laugh*. Of course now that I'm building sites in Zope, it's not really
practical for me to use anymore. But I really miss that functionality..
I work on a scientific site and as we move more and more of it to Zope,
the ability to generate a good meta-tag summary automatically would be a godsend.

This insert doesn't sound like it would be difficult.. I'm doing a
similar thing with titles for some of the pages on the Zope part of my
site.. 

I'm just not enough of a PERL hacker to know the best way to go about
creating the hooks between Zope and PERL..

-Chris

Ausum wrote:
> 
> Chris, Would you please specify what is the summarization module you've known
> about? I've been at CPAN, but no result is given to a "summarization" keyword
> search. I'm glad you're as interested as me.
> 
> It's cool to know we can count on you, Andy. I haven't tried Perl for Zope, but
> I will this very afternoon.
> 
> Ausum
> 
> Andy McKay wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you could hook the PERL module up to Zope somehow..
> >
> > Thats easy, call it straight from Zope or wrap it in a product. If you need
> > help on this drop me a line.
> >
> > Cheers.
> > --
> >   Andy McKay.

_________________________cut here____________________________

> NAME 
> 
> HTML::Summary - module for generating a summary from a web page. 
> 
> 
> 
> SYNOPSIS 
> 
>     use HTML::Summary;
>     use HTML::TreeBuilder;
> 
> 
>     my $tree = new HTML::TreeBuilder;
>     $tree->parse( $document );
> 
> 
>     my $summarizer = new HTML::Summary(
>         LENGTH      => 200,
>         USE_META    => 1,
>     );
> 
> 
>     $summary = $summarizer->generate( $tree );
>     $summarizer->option( 'USE_META' => 1 );
>     $length = $summarizer->option( 'LENGTH' );
>     if ( $summarizer->meta_used( ) )
>     {
>         do something
>     }
> 
> 
> 
> 
> DESCRIPTION 
> 
> The HTML::Summary module produces summaries from the textual content of web pages. It does so using the location heuristic, which determines the value of a given sentence based on its
> position and status within the document; for example, headings, section titles and opening paragraph sentences may be favoured over other textual content. A LENGTH option can be used
> to restrict the length of the summary produced. 
> 
> 
> 
> CONSTRUCTOR 
> 
> new( $attr1 => $value1 [, $attr2 => $value2 ] ) 
> 
> Possible attributes are: 
> 
> VERBOSE 
>       Generate verbose messages to STDERR. 
> 
> LENGTH 
>       Maximum length of summary (in bytes). Default is 500. 
> 
> USE_META 
>       Flag to tell summarizer whether to use the content of the <META> tag in the page header, if one is present, instead of generating a summary from the body text. Note that if the
>       USE_META flag is set, this overrides the LENGTH flag - in other words, the summary provided by the <META> tag is returned in full, even if it is greater than LENGTH bytes.
>       Default is 0 (no). 
> 
>     my $summarizer = new HTML::Summary LENGTH => 200;
> 
> 
> 
> 
> METHODS 
> 
> option( ) 
> 
> Get / set HTML::Summary configuration options. 
> 
>     my $length = $summarizer->option( 'LENGTH' );
>     $summarizer->option( 'USE_META' => 1 );
> 
> 
> generate( $tree ) 
> 
> Takes an HTML::Element object, and generates a summary from it. 
> 
>     my $tree = new HTML::TreeBuilder;
>     $tree->parse( $document );
>     my $summary = $summarizer->generate( $tree );
> 
> 
> meta_used( ) 
> 
> Returns 1 if the META tag description was used to generate the summary. 
> 
>     if ( $summarizer->meta_used() )
>     {
>         # do something ...
>     }
> 
> 
> 
> 
> SEE ALSO 
> 
>     HTML::TreeBuilder
>     Text::Sentence
>     Lingua::JA::Jcode
>     Lingua::JA::Jtruncate
> 
> 
> 
> 
> AUTHORS 
> 
>     Ave Wrigley <wrigley@cre.canon.co.uk>
>     Tony Rose <tgr@cre.canon.co.uk>
>     Neil Bowers <neilb@cre.canon.co.uk>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> COPYRIGHT 
> 
> Copyright (c) 1997 Canon Research Centre Europe (CRE). All rights reserved. This script and any associated documentation or files cannot be distributed outside of CRE without express
> prior permission from CRE. 
>


From simon@joyful.com  Fri May  4 19:46:21 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 04 May 2001 11:46:21 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504163724.8314F-100000@cortex.unice.fr> (Jerome Alet's message of "Fri, 4 May 2001 17:03:26 +0200 (MET DST)")
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504163724.8314F-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <87vgnhx88y.fsf@joyful.com>

Hi Jerome,

woa! The new features sound cool.  Why did you switch to an external
method, as a matter of interest ?

Jerome Alet <alet@unice.fr> writes:
> Do you prefer that grep and/or sed work on the main content only or also
> on properties for each object ? It's not evident what I should do.

see object/folder notion below

> Do you prefer for the history to be stored as a property of the root
> folder, a property of each different folder in which you use zshell, or as
> an external file ?

why, all of the above of course :)
Seriously.. history ? Is it worthwhile ?

> Do you want ls to stay simple and use find when you want complicated
> things or do you want both ls and find to be complicated ? (I already know
> the answer)
> 
> Doing .zsh scripts I don't know how, neither do I for "if", "for" and
> "while"
> 
> Do you want to be able to set environnement variables ? Is it possible or
> not ? If yes, I don't know, so any help is appreciated.

I think simpler is better for now. But, now that you mention it, how
about 

- "name=value" sets attribute "name" of the current folder
- "$name" returns the value of attribute name
- also "some/path/name = value", "$(some/path/name)"

and then perhaps

- treat objects as folders, whose contents are their attributes. If an
object or folder is used as a scalar as above, get or set it's
"primary value"

> The Secret Ideas for next week (if possible at all) :
> 
> 	su
> 	python

aaah! you maniac :)

This is sounding like a super power tool.

-Simon


From Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca  Fri May  4 20:00:22 2001
From: Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca (Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:00:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] LiveLink "converters"
Message-ID: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E01115FDE@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>

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We just got a demo of LiveLink, a document manager system.  They have =
an
Intranet module wich is REALLY like the Zope one.  In fact, it's almost =
de
same!  I found a number of similar functionalities between them, but =
there
is a couple of features in LiveLink wich I found interesting:

- If a user upload a document, the programmer can use it directly.  =
There
are automatics converters for many formats: PDF to HTML, Excel to HTML, =
Word
to HTML, Word to PDF, etc.  You can develop your own converters if tou =
want.
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can put a link to a PDF version, or show it in HTML automatically! =20

- When a user is logged, he sees only the documents he can manage!  =
Much
simpler interface!

- The interface is internalionalized.

So, I guest my questions are:

	- Any plan for a Zope interface internationalisation ?  I know, we
could translate the interface ourself, but we want to upgrade =
sometimes...

	- Any plan for "converters" ?  I think it would be fairly easy, no?


	- Could hiding unauthorized objects been possible?  I  know that I
can manage that in DTML, but I mean in the default management =
interface?

Any thoughs?

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can develop your own converters if tou want.</FONT></P>

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SIZE=3D2>Example:&nbsp; Someone upload a report in Excel.&nbsp; In your =
website, you can put a link to a PDF version, or show it in HTML =
automatically!&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>- When a user is logged, he sees only the documents =
he can manage!&nbsp; Much simpler interface!</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>- The interface is internalionalized.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>So, I guest my questions are:</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>- Any plan =
for a Zope interface internationalisation ?&nbsp; I know, we could =
translate the interface ourself, but we want to upgrade =
sometimes...</FONT></P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>- Any plan =
for &quot;converters&quot; ?&nbsp; I think it would be fairly easy, =
no?&nbsp; </FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>- Could =
hiding unauthorized objects been possible?&nbsp; I&nbsp; know that I =
can manage that in DTML, but I mean in the default management =
interface?</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Any thoughs?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jean-Fran=E7ois M=E9nard</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Intranet DPAS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Pratiques d'affaires et orientations</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (514) =
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From simon@joyful.com  Fri May  4 19:54:46 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 04 May 2001 11:54:46 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
In-Reply-To: <87vgnhx88y.fsf@joyful.com> (Simon Michael's message of "04 May 2001 11:46:21 -0700")
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504163724.8314F-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
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Simon Michael <simon@joyful.com> writes:
> Seriously.. history ? Is it worthwhile ?

PS - here's one place it would be useful. It's cool that you can undo
a zshell command batch (thanks zodb!) - it would be even better if we
could get the commands displayed in the undo list.

One more for the idea list.


From Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca  Fri May  4 20:21:53 2001
From: Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca (Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:21:53 -0400
Subject: [Zope] LiveLink "converters"
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an
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de
same!  I found a number of similar functionalities between them, but =
there
is a couple of features in LiveLink wich I found interesting:
- If a user upload a document, the programmer can use it directly.  =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Objet : [Zope] LiveLink =
&quot;converters&quot;</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>We just got a demo of LiveLink, a document manager =
system.&nbsp; They have an Intranet module wich is REALLY like the Zope =
one.&nbsp; In fact, it's almost de same!&nbsp; I found a number of =
similar functionalities between them, but there is a couple of features =
in LiveLink wich I found interesting:</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>- If a user upload a document, the programmer can use =
it directly.&nbsp; There are automatics converters for many formats: =
PDF to HTML, Excel to HTML, Word to HTML, Word to PDF, etc.&nbsp; You =
can develop your own converters if tou want.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Example:&nbsp; Someone upload a report in Excel.&nbsp; In your website, =
you can put a link to a PDF version, or show it in HTML =
automatically!&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>- When a user is logged, he sees only the documents =
he can manage!&nbsp; Much simpler interface! </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- The interface is internalionalized. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>So, I guest my questions are: </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Any =
plan for a Zope interface internationalisation ?&nbsp; I know, we could =
translate the interface ourself, but we want to upgrade =
sometimes...</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Any plan =
for &quot;converters&quot; ?&nbsp; I think it would be fairly easy, =
no?&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Could =
hiding unauthorized objects been possible?&nbsp; I&nbsp; know that I =
can manage that in DTML, but I mean in the default management =
interface?</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Any thoughs? </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jean-Fran=E7ois M=E9nard </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Intranet DPAS </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Pratiques d'affaires et orientations </FONT>
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From dieter@handshake.de  Fri May  4 19:50:59 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 20:50:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Uploading images - no image!
In-Reply-To: <375143795@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15090.64019.204379.124552@lindm.dm>

Etienne  Labuschagne writes:
 > The Python Method (not external Python Method!) below must upload an image
"Python Method" has been superceded by "Python Script".

Fewer and fewer people will know about "Python Method".

You may consider upgrading to "Python Script" as an appropriate
time in the future.

 > ....
 > self.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].manage_addImage(id,file,title)
 > ... create image but without (wrong?) date ...

Apparently, your "file" does not have the correct type.

This may happen, if the "enctype" attribute if your
"form" is not "multipart/form-data" (as someone else
already told you).

Note, that it must be "multipart/form-data" and *NOT*
the content type of your image!


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Fri May  4 19:41:51 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 20:41:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Changing the UNIX passwd from zope / python script
In-Reply-To: <71908632@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15090.63471.382003.921852@lindm.dm>

Bobby Mathew writes:
 > I needed to be able to change the passwd of a current zope user to sync his
 > passwords with my database. Is this possible ? I could provide an interface
 > and user could confirm the new password and then i could also sync his UNIX
 > password to the same !!! I am a newbie to both zope and python so i would
 > need explicit instructions if there is a solution.
Are you really sure, you want this?

  Unless you use HTTPS (or another secured transport),
  your passwords are send with each request almost
  in plain form (if you use Basic Authentication,
  Zope's default).

  It is not too difficult to snif network traffic.
  In the above mentioned setup, your Zope passwords
  are not very secure. If Zope and Unix passwords
  are identical, your Unix passwords are neither...

I definitely would not want to have this.

If I would, I would look for the PAM module (there is a Python
wrapper, but it requires root privileges).
Alternatively, I would use a PTY (pseudo terminal) and
automate 'passwd'.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Fri May  4 18:51:30 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 19:51:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] #include with DocumentTemplate?
In-Reply-To: <155993789@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15090.60450.23133.351939@lindm.dm>

Lance E Sloan writes:
 > I'm writing some CGIs in Python and I borrowed the DocumentTemplate
 > module from Zope because it does most of what I need.  However, there's
 > one thing that it apparently doesn't do that I would really like.  And
 > that would be to use "#include" tags to read in other DTML documents
 > and parse them.  That is, tags like this:
 > 
 > 	<!--#include name="header.dtml" -->
 > 
 > Does DocumentTemplate already handle that?  I couldn't find it in the
 > documentation.
Apparently, you look at the wrong documentation.

Did you look at the Zope book or the DTML section of

  URL:http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope/book/chap3.html

?

"dtml-var" can include any object: attributes, property values,
functions and methods without arguments (they are called before
inclusion), DTML objects (they are called with parameters
'None' and the current DTML namespace), Scripts (they
are called with the DTML namespace and possible further parameters
from the environment, if configured).

Usually, DTML objects must already be objects and
not file names. Thus, you should already have transformed
your files into DTML objects (there are special classes
for that), and put them in the DTML namespace
(passing either a mapping or keyword arguments to your
top level DTML object call).


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Fri May  4 18:56:44 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 19:56:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Strange ODB/folder problem
In-Reply-To: <1071734881@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15090.60764.620943.317293@lindm.dm>

Scott writes:
 > I have about 300 folder objects in my ODB. Running 2.1.6 on Linux. One (and
 > maybe more) of the folders are not accessable by top-level admin or manager.
 > ...
 > Error Type: TypeError
 > Error Value: attribute-less object (assign or del)
 > 
 > TraceBack: Traceback (innermost last): File
 > ....
 > /usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/Products/ZDBase/ZDiscussions.py, line
 > 195, in manage_beforeDelete (Object: 971638688) TypeError: attribute-less
 > object (assign or del)
Apparently, you have a broken "ZDiscussion" installation.


I think, you have (at least) two options:

 1. install a working ZDiscussion product

 2. if this is impossible:
    empty the current definition of "manage_beforeDelete"
    in "Products/ZDBase/ZDiscussions.py" line 195
    (replace its content by "pass").
    Enter your folder, delete the ZDiscussion objects,
    and then get rid of ZDiscussion altogether.


Dieter


From alet@unice.fr  Fri May  4 20:26:06 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 21:26:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
In-Reply-To: <87pudpx7ux.fsf@joyful.com>; from simon@joyful.com on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 11:54:46AM -0700
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504163724.8314F-100000@cortex.unice.fr> <87vgnhx88y.fsf@joyful.com> <87pudpx7ux.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <20010504212606.B562@nordine.ateur>

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 11:54:46AM -0700, Simon Michael wrote:
> Simon Michael <simon@joyful.com> writes:
> > Seriously.. history ? Is it worthwhile ?
> 
> PS - here's one place it would be useful. It's cool that you can undo
> a zshell command batch (thanks zodb!) - it would be even better if we
> could get the commands displayed in the undo list.
> 
> One more for the idea list.

Yes, and another very good one !

bye,
Jerome


From alet@unice.fr  Fri May  4 20:27:23 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 21:27:23 +0200
Subject: [jerome: Re: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1]
Message-ID: <20010504212723.A605@nordine.ateur>

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From: Jerome Alet <jerome>
To: Simon Michael <simon@joyful.com>
Subject: Re: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.1
Message-ID: <20010504212535.A562@nordine.ateur>
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On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 11:46:21AM -0700, Simon Michael wrote:
> 
> woa! The new features sound cool.  Why did you switch to an external
> method, as a matter of interest ?

to be able to access all the needed standard modules, especially re,
even if it's not used yet, as well as having a full access to Python
power.

> I think simpler is better for now. But, now that you mention it, how
> about 
> 
> - "name=value" sets attribute "name" of the current folder
> - "$name" returns the value of attribute name
> - also "some/path/name = value", "$(some/path/name)"

What a nice idea !
 
> and then perhaps
> 
> - treat objects as folders, whose contents are their attributes. If an
> object or folder is used as a scalar as above, get or set it's
> "primary value"

I don't think I'll do that because it's confusing what the behaviour
of some methods would be then.
 
bye,

Jerome Alet

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From dieter@handshake.de  Fri May  4 19:32:57 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 20:32:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
In-Reply-To: <278511686@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15090.62937.46920.564769@lindm.dm>

bak (kedai) writes:
 > >
 > > Assuming version 2.3, try:
 > >
 > > <dtml-in expr="subdir.objectValues()"
 > > sort_expr="bobo_modification_time()">
 > >
 > > since it is a method.
Do not believe this!

The value of the "sort" attribute is a comma separated
sequence of field names. A field name is either the name
of a member or a parameterless function/method (maybe acquired).
The sequence is lexicographically sorted with respect to the
values of these fields.

Thus, you have "sort=bobobase_modification_time".

 > what's the difference between using sort and sort_expr?  the sort=something 
 > has been there since forever :) and i have been using it in my codes.  is it 
 > something bad?
"sort_expr" is nothing bad.

With "sort" your sort specification is constant.
You can say, sort first according to "time" then to "id".
But you cannot say, sort according to the field name currently
held in variable "sort_by". This is necessary for such
nice "sort" features found wide spread: click on a column
head and the content is sorted with respect to this column...
You would use "sort_expr=sort_by" for this.

The value of "sort_expr" must evaluate to a sort specification.
The specification is interpreted in the same way as when
given directly to sort. But it can be computed, it no longer
is constant...

More info

  URL:http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope/book/chap3.html


Dieter


From Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>  Fri May  4 20:25:28 2001
From: Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net> (Oliver Bleutgen)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 21:25:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Zope]_LiveLink_=22converters=22?=
Message-ID: <E14vlN1-00059M-00@mail.python.org>

Hi,

> 	- Any plan for "converters" ?  I think it would be fairly easy, no?
No, this ain't easy. Just ask the abiword,staroffice etc. guys.
But take a look at 

http://www.zope.org/Members/eric/MSWordDocument

which uses wvware (www.wvware.com)
to convert msword documents into html.
But its easy to get all the various formats
(html, ps, pdf, ascii, wml) which wvware can export.


> 	- Could hiding unauthorized objects been possible?  I  know that I
> can manage that in DTML, but I mean in the default management interface?

Just one question, on what basis do you want to hide the objects (i.e.
based on what permission).
We have documents people should be able to view in order to see effects of 
changes they made on other elements, but not able to change the document
itself. If these documents weren't visible in the management screen 
people would get confused, I fear.
Perhaps using semi-transparent icons could be used to give users 
some idea that the regarding file is restricted in some sense, but 
I'm sceptical.

cheers,
oliver



From dave@kovach.com  Fri May  4 21:01:33 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 4 May 2001 13:01:33 -0700
Subject: [Zope] LiveLink "converters"
Message-ID: <20010504200133.20191.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Hi -

The converters are easier than people might think...
Once you get the data sucked down into an xml file - there are different java classes (no reason they couldnt be python-ized) to build the xml into a PDF etc.

I am curious about the internationalization of the zope interface, but more importantly is having provisions to have a ZOPE'ed site be presented in MANY languages. Havent looked this up yet. But, to do it right - it can get pretty tricky. Java has books and books on the subject. But, again with Python - since everything is always easier in Python :) - it probably is 1% of the lines of Java code etc...

Hmmm?


David Kovach
dave@kovach.com




On Fri, 04 May 2001, Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca wrote:

> 
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> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Sorry for HTML!&nbsp; I tough I used &quot;text&quot;, but I guess I didn't... Sorry!</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>-----Message d'origine-----</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>De : Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca [<A HREF="mailto:Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca">mailto:Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca</A>]</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Envoyé : vendredi 4 mai 2001 15:00</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>À : zope@zope.org</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Objet : [Zope] LiveLink &quot;converters&quot;</FONT>
> </P>
> <BR>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=2>We just got a demo of LiveLink, a document manager system.&nbsp; They have an Intranet module wich is REALLY like the Zope one.&nbsp; In fact, it's almost de same!&nbsp; I found a number of similar functionalities between them, but there is a couple of features in LiveLink wich I found interesting:</FONT></P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=2>- If a user upload a document, the programmer can use it directly.&nbsp; There are automatics converters for many formats: PDF to HTML, Excel to HTML, Word to HTML, Word to PDF, etc.&nbsp; You can develop your own converters if tou want.</FONT></P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Example:&nbsp; Someone upload a report in Excel.&nbsp; In your website, you can put a link to a PDF version, or show it in HTML automatically!&nbsp; </FONT></P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=2>- When a user is logged, he sees only the documents he can manage!&nbsp; Much simpler interface! </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>- The interface is internalionalized. </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>So, I guest my questions are: </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Any plan for a Zope interface internationalisation ?&nbsp; I know, we could translate the interface ourself, but we want to upgrade sometimes...</FONT></P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Any plan for &quot;converters&quot; ?&nbsp; I think it would be fairly easy, no?&nbsp; </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Could hiding unauthorized objects been possible?&nbsp; I&nbsp; know that I can manage that in DTML, but I mean in the default management interface?</FONT></P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Any thoughs? </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Jean-François Ménard </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Intranet DPAS </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Pratiques d'affaires et orientations </FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (514) 840-3000&nbsp; poste 3939 </FONT>
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From arkbit@yahoo.com  Fri May  4 23:03:28 2001
From: arkbit@yahoo.com (Arkaitz)
Date: 05 May 2001 00:03:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope] database design question
Message-ID: <989013808.1443.7.camel@basajaun>

Hi all,

I am starting to design a web app, which will have a database consisting
of 5000 to 10000 restaurants, which could potentially grow, but not much
more. 
I'm a newbye to Zope,and initially my idea was to keep all the data in a
MySQL DB, and access it from Zope. I need to do some very flexible
queries and searches on the DB, and I've found that Z SQL Methods get
quite awkward easily.
I am thinking now about a pure-Zope (ZOBD) solution. I have thought
about using a ZClass for each restaurant and keeping them organized in
directories with the next hierarchy:
    County/City/Restaurant
Is this a reasonable idea at all to do? I can write Python, and would
like to avoid DTML for non-presentation tasks as much as possible.
Also, I would need to be able to do queries of the style 
"give me restaurants that sell chinese food anywhere in this
region/city".

I appreciate any recommendation or resource that can help me make a good
decision.

TIA,
Arkaitz. 
 


From Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>  Fri May  4 22:45:41 2001
From: Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net> (Oliver Bleutgen)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 23:45:41 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Question about cache management
Message-ID: <E14vnYH-000820-00@mail.python.org>

> On Fri, 4 May 2001 16:04:06 +0200, Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>
> wrote:

>>Has anybody found a nice strategy to cleverly
>>handle this kind of situation?

> Two options:

> PULL: scrounge modification times from all the individual objects that
> make up your page, every time the page is requested.

> PUSH: modify the critical methods that modify the state of the objects
> that make up your page, so that they maintain some global
> last-modified value.

> The best solution may be a combination of both.

I would tend to the second option (right now the objects
are all instances of the same zclass, so I have to touch just
one "edit"-method).
One problem is that there's still a timespan in which the 
proxy will deliver old content, and the problem is to purge
the stale cached content - I'm talking about apache's 
mod_proxy here, which seems not to have a "purge" like squid.

My idea is to extend the "push" method to also
get the page with zclient with the headers

pragma: no-cache
cache-control: no-cache

in order to get mod_proxy to revalidate the
document.

Any ideas someone if this is an ok approach?

cheers,
oliver



From lsloan@umich.edu  Fri May  4 22:56:22 2001
From: lsloan@umich.edu (Lance E Sloan)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 17:56:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] #include with DocumentTemplate?
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 04 May 2001 19:51:30 +0200."
 <15090.60450.23133.351939@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <200105042156.RAA13107@birds.us.itd.umich.edu>

Dieter Maurer wrote:
> Apparently, you look at the wrong documentation.

Perhaps I did.  Or maybe I just didn't understand it properly.

> Did you look at the Zope book or the DTML section of
> URL:http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope/book/chap3.html

I hadn't and I'm sure that's part of the problem.  As I said, I'm not
really using Zope, I just borrowed DocumentTemplate from it to use with
my Python CGIs.  I had thought about using Zope for this project I'm
working on, but decided on trying just Python, since I thought that
learning Zope in addition to learning Python would take too much time.

So, I don't have any Zope books at the moment.  It's very helpful to
see your version of Zope documentation and examples.  Is your online
book finished?  It looks like parts (the introduction) are missing.

--
Lance E Sloan
Web Services, Univ. of Michigan: Full-service Web and database design,
development, and hosting.  Specializing in Perl & Python CGIs.
http://websvcs.itd.umich.edu/ - "Putting U on the Web"


From kosh@aesaeion.com  Fri May  4 16:05:41 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:05:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] database design question
In-Reply-To: <989013808.1443.7.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105041504210.10163-100000@aesaeion.com>

One thing I highly recommend is not using zclasses. Learn enough of python
products to do a restaurant as a python product. Long term they are more
maintainable and more reliable from my experience. I have not been happy
with zclasses for many reasons. With the kind of load you will have a
python product will probably be best.

On 5 May 2001, Arkaitz wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am starting to design a web app, which will have a database consisting
> of 5000 to 10000 restaurants, which could potentially grow, but not much
> more.
> I'm a newbye to Zope,and initially my idea was to keep all the data in a
> MySQL DB, and access it from Zope. I need to do some very flexible
> queries and searches on the DB, and I've found that Z SQL Methods get
> quite awkward easily.
> I am thinking now about a pure-Zope (ZOBD) solution. I have thought
> about using a ZClass for each restaurant and keeping them organized in
> directories with the next hierarchy:
>     County/City/Restaurant
> Is this a reasonable idea at all to do? I can write Python, and would
> like to avoid DTML for non-presentation tasks as much as possible.
> Also, I would need to be able to do queries of the style
> "give me restaurants that sell chinese food anywhere in this
> region/city".
>
> I appreciate any recommendation or resource that can help me make a good
> decision.
>
> TIA,
> Arkaitz.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From sven.fischer@gargl.net  Fri May  4 23:01:40 2001
From: sven.fischer@gargl.net (Sven Fischer)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:01:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] database design question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105041504210.10163-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDOEDBCDAA.sven.fischer@gargl.net>

---
One thing I highly recommend is not using zclasses. Learn enough of python
products to do a restaurant as a python product. Long term they are more
maintainable and more reliable from my experience. I have not been happy
with zclasses for many reasons. With the kind of load you will have a
python product will probably be best.
---

could you elaborate more on that by giving the reasons why not to use
zclasses in some/all situations ?

thanx,

$ven



From kosh@aesaeion.com  Fri May  4 16:14:32 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:14:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] database design question
In-Reply-To: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDOEDBCDAA.sven.fischer@gargl.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105041511170.10163-100000@aesaeion.com>

One thing I have noticed problems with is that I have had zclasses break
more then a few times. Once that happens it does not seem that they can be
fixed. Often I have seen situations where all instances were broken but
new ones could be created with no problems. I have not ever seen that
behavior with a python product.

Another issue is that zclasses can not be easily reclassed or expanded
later like a python product can. If you decide later that your object
should have been catalog aware you are in trouble because it can't just be
reclassed.

ZClasses strike me as a testing type idea wheren you quickly prototype
something then write it in a python product. However once you know python
well enough it is faster to write it in python then to work with a ZClass.

On Sat, 5 May 2001, Sven Fischer wrote:

> ---
> One thing I highly recommend is not using zclasses. Learn enough of python
> products to do a restaurant as a python product. Long term they are more
> maintainable and more reliable from my experience. I have not been happy
> with zclasses for many reasons. With the kind of load you will have a
> python product will probably be best.
> ---
>
> could you elaborate more on that by giving the reasons why not to use
> zclasses in some/all situations ?
>
> thanx,
>
> $ven
>



From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Wed May  2 23:00:51 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:00:51 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Announce: GreetingCard-0.2 (development)
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CA3@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

Cool!  I can't wait to see the PDF stuffs.  You might want to make the id's
randomly generated and sort by titles, though.  Also, I got a Zope error
from the add button after previewing the created card.  Apparently, the form
on the preview page fails to pass REQUEST['id'] to whatever method the add
button is invoking.  I'd like to try it here.  Let us know when you have a
download URL.

Troy

It's so Exciting(TM) to see all the new announcements recently: Zope Book,
French Zope Book, This, and the audio product.  Go Zope!

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Colmar [mailto:edc@mail.8days.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:48 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] Announce: GreetingCard-0.2 (development)


Hi Everyone!

I am building zope based web tools for a printing company in Colorado,
called Eight Days A Week.  The management recently decided to open the
source that I have been developing.  One more victory for the freedom
fighters!

The first piece of code to near release quality is a greeting card toolkit.
It uses zope for data storage, image upload, html generation, and management
functionality.  LocalFS and reportlab are used to generate PDF formatted
high-resolution cards set up with cropmarks to print.  

The code is still Alpha quality with several areas where significant
improvement can be made, but is functional as is.

A demo is running here:  http://www.8daw.com:8080/greetingcards/  (zope 2.3
: Mandrake 7.2 linux)  You will not be able to use the PDF tools, unless you
install it somewhere with management access.

Hope you all like it!  Please let me know if you find it useful, or make any
changes.  

-ed-



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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May  4 23:35:48 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:35:48 -0600
Subject: [Zope] LiveLink "converters"
References: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E01115FDE@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <3AF32EC4.52679569@kaivo.com>

> Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca wrote:
> 
> We just got a demo of LiveLink, a document manager system.  They have
> an Intranet module wich is REALLY like the Zope one.  In fact, it's
> almost de same!  I found a number of similar functionalities between
> them, but there is a couple of features in LiveLink wich I found
> interesting:
> 
> - If a user upload a document, the programmer can use it directly.
> There are automatics converters for many formats: PDF to HTML, Excel
> to HTML, Word to HTML, Word to PDF, etc.  You can develop your own
> converters if tou want.
> 
>         Example:  Someone upload a report in Excel.  In your website,
> you can put a link to a PDF version, or show it in HTML
> automatically!
> 
> - When a user is logged, he sees only the documents he can manage!
> Much simpler interface!
> 
> - The interface is internalionalized.
> 
> So, I guest my questions are:
> 
>         - Any plan for a Zope interface internationalisation ?  I
> know, we could translate the interface ourself, but we want to upgrade
> sometimes...
> 
>         - Any plan for "converters" ?  I think it would be fairly
> easy, no?
> 
>         - Could hiding unauthorized objects been possible?  I  know
> that I can manage that in DTML, but I mean in the default management
> interface?
> 
> Any thoughs?

See: http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/DocumentLibrary/

Which I just released today. I will eventually have cross-format
converters in there.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From DANILOCS@senado.gov.br  Fri May  4 19:42:20 2001
From: DANILOCS@senado.gov.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Danilo_Cust=F3dio_da_Silva?=)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:42:20 -0300
Subject: [Zope] manage_upload;manage_delete
Message-ID: <8CC01119E78FD31185DE002035874C81076DC5BF@GENIPABU>

Please ..Does anyone knows how to use the method manage_upload, and if is
there a method called manage_delete that delete file objects,?

thank's
           Danilo


From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Fri May  4 23:47:26 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:47:26 -0500
Subject: [Zope] best streaming practice??
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CA9@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

Your choices are extremely limited.  You can try RealServer:

http://www.realnetworks.com/products/servers/sysreqs.html

which runs on NT/2k,linux,FreeBSD,Solaris,AIX,HP/UX,and IRIX.
I'm not sure that streams mpeg though.  It is really pricey.  If you're a
corporation with deep pockets, you can <shameless plug> VYVX your video feed
to a streaming company, and let them stream it (very pricey).</shameless
plug>

If you just wanted audio, we could hook you up with Icecast...

All that is well and good, but when it comes to zope, you can only serve
static content.  That is to say that zope can store and server a video/audio
file, but zope/zserver doesn't speak any streaming protocols (RTSP, MMS...).
The above solutions do both static and dynamic content.

Troy
It should be noted that I am an employee of Vyvx services.

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-mailinglist [mailto:zope-mailinglist@mopa.at]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:21 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] best streaming practice??


thanks for your answers

isnt there a solution for unix/linux?
my solution should run on freebsd 4.3

i would like to stream mpeg2 or (in my dreams) mpeg4 (divx) :)

i took a look at darwin - but it seems that it only understands qt format

dono if i'm right


From mehmety@auslin.com.au  Sat May  5 01:06:22 2001
From: mehmety@auslin.com.au (Mehmet Yousouf)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 10:06:22 +1000
Subject: [Zope] redirect command and advise in general
Message-ID: <01050510062200.05946@theo.home>

Hi, 
I'm slowly putting together an intranet using zope and Mysql to keep track of 
orders and manufacturing processes for our business and I've got most things 
working however, there are a couple of things (well... lots actually) I am 
doing the "wrong way" that I want to fix so that I can cut down on the code 
and tidy up a bit (simple things, but when you don't know how...) The first 
and easiest......

I'm using zsessions to keep track of things and the same session can be 
started from different pages so the way I imagine I should be able to have a 
single bit of code to achieve this is either javascript (which I have worked 
out how to implement but don't want to use - I frequently have javascript 
turned off) or "post" the information to a page that sets the data then 
redirects back to the "referring url" which is the way I want to do it.... I 
can't work out how to pass the url into the redirect command so I have been 
setting up the same page, just slightly changed, for each page that needs to 
set a session.... e.g. I'm using:
<dtml-call "RESPONSE.redirect('query_page')"> 
instead of   something like <dtml-call "RESPONSE.redirect('referring url')">
all that's done on the page is setting of the session i.e. <dtml-call 
"SESSION.set('blah', blah)">
<dtml-call "RESPONSE.redirect('prodution')"> 
I could cut down on thirty "pages" by doing it properly

Any help/suggestions/advice would be greatly appreciated


From michel@digicool.com  Sat May  5 01:17:55 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504155317.8314E-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105041714200.5988-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Something that is dangerous about this script is that it does no security
checking at all.  Anyone one user with acces to the shell is essentialy
promoted to a superuser through the shell.  It would not be difficult for
you to add security checkpoints to you code using the explicit
securitymanager api documented in the developer's guide.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/zope-devel/

-Michel

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Jerome Alet wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> the 0.2 version of the Zope Shell is online at:
>
> http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/
>
> New features:
>
> 	* bug corrections
>
> 	* a better whoami, thanks to Peter Bengtsson
>
> 	* wget now works and allows you to suck websites
> 	  (not recursively yet) and put them into the ZODB.
>
> enjoy !
>
> Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From k.woelfel@gmx.de  Sat May  5 03:21:15 2001
From: k.woelfel@gmx.de (Klaus Woelfel)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 04:21:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Accessing ZClasses other ZClasses via Python
Message-ID: <E14vrc0-0001EO-00@mail.python.org>

Hi,
Can anybody tell me how I can access a ZClass in another ZClass with python?

For example I have a ZClass, called "foo_class" that lifes in another ZClass 
called "Container_class" in a product called "foo_product".

So this works fine: 
"Control_Panel.Products.foo_product.Container_class"

But this doesn't work: 
"Control_Panel.Products.foo_product.Container_class.foo_class"

Zope says: 

Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: foo_class

Can anybody help me?
ciao,
	Klaus
 


From augusto@artlover.com  Sat May  5 03:56:29 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 21:56:29 -0500
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010503083300.30439A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <3AF36BDD.11239331@artlover.com>

A killer add-in to Zope would be a cascade pull-down navigator like the one at
MSNBC News. I think it's possible with javascript but I haven't found one that
cascades more than one level of content. (I've counted at least three at MSNBC
News Menu)

With a tool like this and Zope internal logic, you would be able to save tons
of clicks. If you're in a hurry (sometimes to save a couple of clicks in a
object-crowded environment can become one, I know that) you may modify the
OFS/dtml/main.dtml  file to perform the function you're looking for.


Ausum


Jerome Alet wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 2 May 2001, Dieter Maurer wrote:
> 
> > Jerome Alet writes:
> >  > Another thing I'd be glad to use would be MoveUp and MoveTo buttons:
> > Never wanted to have that:
> >
> >   I open two browser windows, showing source and destination.
> >   I select and copy/cut in the source, move to destination
> >   and click "paste".
> 
> Your solution is still very "clicky": you must first open a new window and
> click and click and click until you've reached the destination folder,
> which may eventually be far far away from the current one, before clicking
> again on Paste.
> 
> A MoveTo dialog box (or form) would be better and quicker IMHO.
> 
> bye,
> 
> Jerome Alet
>



From andreas@easyleading.org  Sat May  5 08:16:28 2001
From: andreas@easyleading.org (Andreas Heckel)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 09:16:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] German CMF skin available
Message-ID: <3AF3A8CC.B0D06D57@easyleading.org>

Zopalavista,

There is a custom skin providing a German translation of the 
Content Management Framework (CMF) available for download.

Get it at : 
http://www.easyleading.org/easyhome/index_html?content=downloadsCMF

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
Andreas Heckel                                  andreas@easyleading.org
LINUX is like a wigwam...no gates...no windows and an apache inside ;-)


From alet@unice.fr  Sat May  5 08:17:32 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 09:17:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105041714200.5988-100000@localhost.localdomain>; from michel@digicool.com on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:17:55PM -0700
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010504155317.8314E-100000@cortex.unice.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105041714200.5988-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20010505091732.A469@nordine.ateur>

On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:17:55PM -0700, Michel Pelletier wrote:
> 
> Something that is dangerous about this script is that it does no security
> checking at all.  Anyone one user with acces to the shell is essentialy
> promoted to a superuser through the shell.  It would not be difficult for
> you to add security checkpoints to you code using the explicit
> securitymanager api documented in the developer's guide.
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/zope-devel/

I'll look into that, but this isn't a priority yet. I prefer to have something
which provides more commands quick, and look at other aspects later.

I've only used it as a Manager however, but I thought that the underlying
security would be taken care of by Zope itself when calling dangerous
methods (like manage_delObjects for example) as a non Manager user. 

Am I wrong ?

bye,
Jerome Alet


From robert@rocad.ch  Sat May  5 10:42:43 2001
From: robert@rocad.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 11:42:43 +0200
Subject: [Zope] get error "no module named TAL.TALParser"
Message-ID: <001f01c0d547$d1e1e2d0$18a4023e@karin>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0D558.828645D0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi there,
after installing zpt 1.2 tal and zope utilyties (all from the =
zpt-download page)
I get the following output when starting zope

TAL is istalled in the products directory, and a TALParser.py can be =
found there.

any ideas?
Robert

2001-05-02T05:26:09 ERROR(200) Zope Couldn't install PageTemplates
Traceback (innermost last):
  File K:\PROGRA~1\zope\lib\python\OFS\Application.py, line 627, in =
install_prod
ucts
    (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
    (Info: PageTemplates)
  File K:\Programme\zope\lib\python\Products\PageTemplates\__init__.py, =
line 95,
 in initialize
  File =
K:\Programme\zope\lib\python\Products\PageTemplates\ZopePageTemplate.py,
line 104, in ?
  File =
K:\Programme\zope\lib\python\Products\PageTemplates\PageTemplate.py, =
line
 93, in ?
ImportError: No module named TAL.TALParser


------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0D558.828645D0
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#c8e0d8>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi there,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>after installing zpt 1.2 tal and zope =
utilyties=20
(all from the zpt-download page)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I get the following output when =
starting=20
zope</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>TAL is istalled in the products =
directory, and a=20
TALParser.py can be found there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>any ideas?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Robert</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2001-05-02T05:26:09 ERROR(200) Zope =
Couldn't=20
install PageTemplates<BR>Traceback (innermost last):<BR>&nbsp; File=20
K:\PROGRA~1\zope\lib\python\OFS\Application.py, line 627, in=20
install_prod<BR>ucts<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Object:=20
ApplicationDefaultPermissions)<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Info:=20
PageTemplates)<BR>&nbsp; File=20
K:\Programme\zope\lib\python\Products\PageTemplates\__init__.py, line=20
95,<BR>&nbsp;in initialize<BR>&nbsp; File=20
K:\Programme\zope\lib\python\Products\PageTemplates\ZopePageTemplate.py,<=
BR>line=20
104, in ?<BR>&nbsp; File=20
K:\Programme\zope\lib\python\Products\PageTemplates\PageTemplate.py,=20
line<BR>&nbsp;93, in ?<BR>ImportError: No module named=20
TAL.TALParser<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0D558.828645D0--



From olaf.zanger@soli-con.com  Sat May  5 11:38:42 2001
From: olaf.zanger@soli-con.com (Olaf Zanger)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 12:38:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope] xmlrpc and ZSQL Method
Message-ID: <3AF3D832.EF34B314@soli-con.com>

hi there,

after searching for 2 hours i try the community know-how.

i want to access a 
ZSQL Method "prd_sql_method" with
parameters: "fac_id_only:int" and "date:string"
by xmlrpc.


right now i do:

s=xmlrpclib.Server('http://sino/ip')

dict={}
dict['fac_id_only']=1
dict['date']='1996-01-02'
s.Zope.operate.xmlrpc.prd_sql_method()
y[]
for x in s:
	y.append(x)
return str(y)

-----------------------------------------------
how do i get parameters in?
---------------------------------------------------------
i get an error message: "Unexpected Zope error value: ['fac_id_only', 'date']"


--------------------------------------------------
how do i get results out?
---------------------------------------------
got nothing yet :-)

thanks for help

olaf

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Lorrainestrasse 23
3013 Bern / Switzerland
Fon: +41-31-332 9782
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From arkaitz@euskalcom.net  Sat May  5 13:27:02 2001
From: arkaitz@euskalcom.net (Arkaitz Bitorika)
Date: 05 May 2001 14:27:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] create ZClass instances in Python scripts
Message-ID: <989065624.1992.9.camel@basajaun>

Hi,

Is it possible to create programmatically ZClass instances from Python
scripts? I haven't been able to do it.
I have the next thing in my Python script:
    folder.manage_addProduct['MyProduct'].manage_addMyZClass_py(myId)
And then I have a Python Script called "manage_addMyZClass_py" in
"MyProduct" that does simply this:
    container.MyZClass.createInObjectManager(id)
All this gives me the next message:
                   Error Type: TypeError
                   Error Value: not enough arguments; expected 3,got 2
This happens when calling createInObjectManager(), because it expects a
REQUEST object, but I don't have one! It won't accept a None REQUEST
object either.
Any hint?

Cheers,
Arkaitz.



From hannu@tm.ee  Sat May  5 13:31:14 2001
From: hannu@tm.ee (Hannu Krosing)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 14:31:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105041714200.5988-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3AF3F292.3BEE0C65@tm.ee>

Michel Pelletier wrote:
> 
> Something that is dangerous about this script is that it does no security
> checking at all.  Anyone one user with acces to the shell is essentialy
> promoted to a superuser through the shell.  It would not be difficult for
> you to add security checkpoints to you code using the explicit
> securitymanager api documented in the developer's guide.
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/zope-devel/

It claims that "This Project Has Not Released Any Files". 

Does it mean that I am supposed to get stuff from CVS ?

------------------
Hannu


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Sun May  6 18:54:19 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 13:54:19 -0400
Subject: [Zope] xmlrpc and ZSQL Method
In-Reply-To: <3AF3D832.EF34B314@soli-con.com>
References: <3AF3D832.EF34B314@soli-con.com>
Message-ID: <01050613541900.01474@localhost.localdomain>

What your doing seems a complicated way to do it to me.

Try something like

import xmlrpclib

s=xmlrpclib.Server('http://your.server.address')

results=s.operate.xmlrpc.prd_sql_method(1,'1996-01-02')

if len(results)>0:
	print 'we found records'
else:
	print "we didn't find records"

for record in results:
	print record[0] # print the first field

Note that xmlrpc doesn't allow named parameters they must be positional.

hth

Phil


On Saturday 05 May 2001 06:38, Olaf Zanger wrote:
> hi there,
>
> after searching for 2 hours i try the community know-how.
>
> i want to access a
> ZSQL Method "prd_sql_method" with
> parameters: "fac_id_only:int" and "date:string"
> by xmlrpc.
>
>
> right now i do:
>
> s=xmlrpclib.Server('http://sino/ip')
>
> dict={}
> dict['fac_id_only']=1
> dict['date']='1996-01-02'
> s.Zope.operate.xmlrpc.prd_sql_method()
> y[]
> for x in s:
> 	y.append(x)
> return str(y)
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> how do i get parameters in?
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> i get an error message: "Unexpected Zope error value: ['fac_id_only',
> 'date']"
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> how do i get results out?
> ---------------------------------------------
> got nothing yet :-)
>
> thanks for help
>
> olaf


From jwashin@vt.edu  Sat May  5 14:13:47 2001
From: jwashin@vt.edu (Jim Washington)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 09:13:47 -0400
Subject: [Zope] create ZClass instances in Python scripts
References: <989065624.1992.9.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <3AF3FC8B.CE580023@vt.edu>

Arkaitz Bitorika wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is it possible to create programmatically ZClass instances from Python
> scripts? I haven't been able to do it.
> I have the next thing in my Python script:
>     folder.manage_addProduct['MyProduct'].manage_addMyZClass_py(myId)
> And then I have a Python Script called "manage_addMyZClass_py" in
> "MyProduct" that does simply this:
>     container.MyZClass.createInObjectManager(id)
> All this gives me the next message:
>                    Error Type: TypeError
>                    Error Value: not enough arguments; expected 3,got 2
> This happens when calling createInObjectManager(), because it expects a
> REQUEST object, but I don't have one! It won't accept a None REQUEST
> object either.
> Any hint?

container can acquire a REQUEST object.  Try:

container.MyZClass.createInObjectManager(id, container.REQUEST)

-- Jim Washington


From olaf.zanger@soli-con.com  Sat May  5 16:23:10 2001
From: olaf.zanger@soli-con.com (Olaf Marc Zanger)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 17:23:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] xmlrpc and ZSQL Method
Message-ID: <01050517231000.04473@sino>

hi phil,

thanks for trying to help,

just i get the following error message . my Zsql-method uses these two 
parameter names and the code is:

---------------------------
result=s.Zope.operate.xmlrpc.prd_sql_method(1, '1996-02-01') # error

if len(results)>0:
    print 'found records: '
else:
    print 'no records'

for record in results:
    print record[0]



---------------------

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./ip-prd_get-0.0.2.py", line 33, in ?
    result=s.Zope.operate.xmlrpc.prd_sql_method(1, '1996-02-01') # error
  File "./xmlrpclib.py", line 547, in __call__
    return self.__send(self.__name, args)
  File "./xmlrpclib.py", line 630, in __request
    request
  File "./xmlrpclib.py", line 585, in request
    return self.parse_response(h.getfile())
  File "./xmlrpclib.py", line 601, in parse_response
    return u.close()
  File "./xmlrpclib.py", line 371, in close
    raise apply(Fault, (), self._stack[0])
xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -2: "Unexpected Zope error value: ['fac_id_only', 
'date']">

have a nice weekend

olaf

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From Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>  Sat May  5 14:34:27 2001
From: Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net> (Oliver Bleutgen)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:34:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
Message-ID: <14w21Q-0JmQ7sC@fmrl06.sul.t-online.com>

> A killer add-in to Zope would be a cascade pull-down navigator like the
> one at
> MSNBC News. I think it's possible with javascript but I haven't found one
> that
> cascades more than one level of content. (I've counted at least three at
> MSNBC
> News Menu)

http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/hiermenus/

gives you as many levels as you like,
but:
it's license is problematic (free for non-commercial use...)
also
this
http://www.dhtmlshock.com/site-navigation/MenuBuilder/default.asp 

seems to be free.



> With a tool like this and Zope internal logic, you would be able to save
> tons
> of clicks. If you're in a hurry (sometimes to save a couple of clicks in a
> object-crowded environment can become one, I know that) you may modify the
> OFS/dtml/main.dtml  file to perform the function you're looking for.


cheers,
oliver


From alet@unice.fr  Sat May  5 14:37:11 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:37:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
In-Reply-To: <3AF3F292.3BEE0C65@tm.ee>; from hannu@tm.ee on Sat, May 05, 2001 at 02:31:14PM +0200
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105041714200.5988-100000@localhost.localdomain> <3AF3F292.3BEE0C65@tm.ee>
Message-ID: <20010505153711.A832@nordine.ateur>

On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 02:31:14PM +0200, Hannu Krosing wrote:
> Michel Pelletier wrote:
> > 
> > Something that is dangerous about this script is that it does no security
> > checking at all.  Anyone one user with acces to the shell is essentialy
> > promoted to a superuser through the shell.  It would not be difficult for
> > you to add security checkpoints to you code using the explicit
> > securitymanager api documented in the developer's guide.
> > 
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/zope-devel/
> 
> It claims that "This Project Has Not Released Any Files". 
> 
> Does it mean that I am supposed to get stuff from CVS ?

I've just seen the same message, so I've browsed the files with cvsweb,
and now I better understand Michel's concerns: it seems as External methods
run completely unrestricted by default, which I ignored until I read this 
document.

bye,

Jerome Alet


From tomasm@student.uit.no  Sun May  6 00:49:41 2001
From: tomasm@student.uit.no (Tomas Mortensen)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:49:41 -0700
Subject: [Zope] newbie question about aquisition
Message-ID: <002201c0d5be$0e485da0$c046fea9@p166mmx>

hi,

consider the folowing scenario:

an index_html dtml document is located in the root folder. this document
includes another dtml document, includefile,  with the dtml-var tag.

/index_html
/includefile
/myfolder/includefile
/myfolder/mysubfolder/


if i access the URL http://myhost/myfolder/mysubfolder, i get the index_html
file from the root folder, by aquisition. the problem is that the included
dtml file _also_ comes from the root.

what i want is that the includefile in myfolder will override the one in the
root folder. is this posible?

-Tomas



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Sat May  5 15:59:06 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 10:59:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105041714200.5988-100000@localhost.localdomain> <3AF3F292.3BEE0C65@tm.ee> <20010505153711.A832@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <001101c0d573$eed3ff00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

From: "Jerome Alet" <alet@unice.fr>
> I've just seen the same message, so I've browsed the files with cvsweb,
> and now I better understand Michel's concerns: it seems as External
methods
> run completely unrestricted by default, which I ignored until I read this
> document.

..and what of Scripts (Python) Do they inherit Zope permissions model.?

Security should be addressed.
I suppose one could extend 'Exernal Methods' to create a 'External Zshell
Methods'

But Jerome please don't let this slow you down writing Zshell functions now.
Let's just agree that Zshell is a really powerful Essential Zope tool. An
important concept which definitely needs developing. And it assumes greater
responsibility than the default TTW interface, and wears a large sysadmin
warning label!

I have been using ZJavatelnetSSH Product quite often recently for sheer
convenvince of remote Zope sysadmin.
http://dev.zope.org/Members/dshaw/ZJavaTelnetSSH

Webmin is another tool..
http://www.webmin.com/webmin/

How safe  | how dangerous??
I really don't see the difference.
What am I missing?


./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From tim@sitefusion.co.uk  Sat May  5 16:16:02 2001
From: tim@sitefusion.co.uk (Tim Hicks)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:16:02 +0100
Subject: [Zope] getPropertyType
Message-ID: <003901c0d576$4df78c20$7f7030d5@Duron>

I have a zclass that has a property sheet called 'details' and I am trying
to create a form for editing this that goes through the property sheet
(using dtml-in) and creates the correct input box.  Everything works, except
the getPropertyType part, which always returns 'None'.  The ZQR says that it
will do this when the property doesn't exist, but the property clearly does
exist as propertyIds() finds it, a getProperty() does actually return the
value of the property.  I just want to see what sort of property it is so
that I can present the correct type of input box.

Here's the code snippet.

<dtml-in "propertysheets.details.propertyIds()">
<dtml-let pid="_['sequence-item']">
<tr>
    <th align="left"><dtml-var pid></th>
    <td><dtml-if "propertysheets.details.getPropertyType(pid) ==
'text'"><textarea  name="<dtml-var pid>"><dtml-var
"propertysheets.details.getProperty(pid)"></textarea><dtml-else><input
type=text name="<dtml-var pid>" value="<dtml-var
"propertysheets.details.getProperty(pid)">"></dtml-if></td>
    <td><dtml-var "propertysheets.details.getPropertyType(pid)"></td>
</tr>
</dtml-let>
</dtml-in>

And here is a sample of what it generates.

<tr>
    <th align="left">name</th>
    <td><input type=text name="name" value="Tim Hicks"></td>
    <td>None</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <th align="left">email</th>
    <td><input type=text name="email" value="tim@sitefusion.co.uk"></td>
    <td>None</td>
</tr>


Any ideas?

tim



From bkc@murkworks.com  Sat May  5 16:29:52 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 11:29:52 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope as Portal Server
In-Reply-To: <20010504160155.19675.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <3AF3E10B.14650.2E2F939A@localhost>

Anyone look at Novell Portal Services as an example portal? You can develop servlets 
to make custom portal gadgets that can connect to anything.

http://www.novell.com/products/portal



Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Sat May  5 16:30:15 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 19:30:15 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] newbie question about aquisition
In-Reply-To: <002201c0d5be$0e485da0$c046fea9@p166mmx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105051927090.22304-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Sat, 5 May 2001, Tomas Mortensen wrote:
> an index_html dtml document is located in the root folder.
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   This is THE problem. DTML Documents don't acquire objects - they use
objects from static path, based on their position in the ZODB.
   To make acquisition works delete index_html and recreate it as DTML
Method. DTML Methods acquire objects in expected dynamic way.

Oleg.
----
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           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From marc@bowery.com  Sat May  5 16:46:37 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:46:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope] getPropertyType
In-Reply-To: <003901c0d576$4df78c20$7f7030d5@Duron>
Message-ID: <B719989D.2C44B%marc@bowery.com>

Tim, 
take a look at the python/OFS/dtml/properties.dtml code.

Something more like:

<dtml-in details.propertyMap mapping>  -- not sure about that part, since
properties.dtml is not for a subsheet.

but anyway, use the mapping

then you'd have:


<tr>
<th align="left"><dtml-var propertyLabel(id)></th>
<td><dtml-if "type =='text'">
 <textarea name="<dtml-var id>:text" rows="6" cols="35"><dtml-var
   "getProperty(id)" html_quote></textarea>
<dtml-else>
  <input type="text" name="<dtml-var id>:<dtml-var
   type>" size="35" value="<dtml-if "hasProperty(id)"><dtml-var
   "'%s' % getProperty(id)" html_quote></dtml-if>">
</dtml-if></td>
</tr>

...but I'd suggest studying properties.dtml the code there is much more
complete.


> From: "Tim Hicks" <tim@sitefusion.co.uk>
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:16:02 +0100
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope] getPropertyType
> 
> I have a zclass that has a property sheet called 'details' and I am trying
> to create a form for editing this that goes through the property sheet
> (using dtml-in) and creates the correct input box.  Everything works, except
> the getPropertyType part, which always returns 'None'.  The ZQR says that it
> will do this when the property doesn't exist, but the property clearly does
> exist as propertyIds() finds it, a getProperty() does actually return the
> value of the property.  I just want to see what sort of property it is so
> that I can present the correct type of input box.
> 
> Here's the code snippet.
> 
> <dtml-in "propertysheets.details.propertyIds()">
> <dtml-let pid="_['sequence-item']">
> <tr>
> <th align="left"><dtml-var pid></th>
> <td><dtml-if "propertysheets.details.getPropertyType(pid) ==
> 'text'"><textarea  name="<dtml-var pid>"><dtml-var
> "propertysheets.details.getProperty(pid)"></textarea><dtml-else><input
> type=text name="<dtml-var pid>" value="<dtml-var
> "propertysheets.details.getProperty(pid)">"></dtml-if></td>
> <td><dtml-var "propertysheets.details.getPropertyType(pid)"></td>
> </tr>
> </dtml-let>
> </dtml-in>
> 
> And here is a sample of what it generates.
> 
> <tr>
> <th align="left">name</th>
> <td><input type=text name="name" value="Tim Hicks"></td>
> <td>None</td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <th align="left">email</th>
> <td><input type=text name="email" value="tim@sitefusion.co.uk"></td>
> <td>None</td>
> </tr>
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> tim
> 
> 
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From dave@kovach.com  Sat May  5 17:02:01 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 5 May 2001 09:02:01 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope as Portal Server
Message-ID: <20010505160201.22271.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Hi Brad -

Thats exactly what I am speaking of - I havent read on Novell's work, but so many players are entering the mini-application and gadget arena in terms of portals.. its either gonna be a really big thing or something that goes bust in the conceptual stage first. 

Need to build these "gadgets" in Python/xml and open up the Zope system to interface with any system on the planet... to view/process/edit/manipulate its data...


David

On Sat, 05 May 2001, "Brad Clements" wrote:

> 
> Anyone look at Novell Portal Services as an example portal? You can develop servlets 
> to make custom portal gadgets that can connect to anything.
> 
> http://www.novell.com/products/portal
> 
> 
> 
> Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
> netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements


_____________________________________________________

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From bkc@murkworks.com  Sat May  5 18:04:15 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 13:04:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope as Portal Server
In-Reply-To: <20010505160201.22271.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <3AF3F72A.24682.2E85FD73@localhost>

On 5 May 2001, at 9:02, dave@kovach.com wrote:

> Thats exactly what I am speaking of - I havent read on Novell's work, but
> so many players are entering the mini-application and gadget arena in terms
> of portals.. its either gonna be a really big thing or something that goes
> bust in the conceptual stage first. 
> 
> Need to build these "gadgets" in Python/xml and open up the Zope system to
> interface with any system on the planet... to view/process/edit/manipulate
> its data...


Novell's portal services uses servlets, I've created a gadget for NPS in Jython. It works. 
Also, NPS requires that gadgets return data as XML. The final output is created using a 
stylesheet that depends on the client's browser capability..


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http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
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From tim@sitefusion.co.uk  Sat May  5 18:23:51 2001
From: tim@sitefusion.co.uk (Tim Hicks)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 18:23:51 +0100
Subject: [Zope] getPropertyType
References: <B719989D.2C44B%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c0d588$282d4d60$5a6b30d5@Duron>

----- Original Message -----
From: "marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com>
To: "Tim Hicks" <tim@sitefusion.co.uk>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] getPropertyType


> Tim,
> take a look at the python/OFS/dtml/properties.dtml code.

Sorted! Had a look at properties.dtml and what you suggested.  Here's what I
got to work.

<dtml-in "propertysheets.details.propertyMap()" mapping>
<dtml-let prop=sequence-item>
<tr>
<td valign="top"><dtml-var "prop.get('id')"></td>
<td><dtml-if "prop.get('type')=='text'"><textarea cols="60" rows="10"
name="<dtml-var "prop.get('id')">:text"><dtml-var
"propertysheets.details.getProperty(prop.get('id'))"></textarea><dtml-else><
input type="text" name="<dtml-var "prop.get('id')">:<dtml-var
"prop.get('type')">" value="<dtml-var
"propertysheets.details.getProperty(prop.get('id'))">"></dtml-if></td>
</tr>
</dtml-let>
</dtml-in>

Thanks for your help.


tim



> Something more like:
>
> <dtml-in details.propertyMap mapping>  -- not sure about that part, since
> properties.dtml is not for a subsheet.
>
> but anyway, use the mapping
>
> then you'd have:
>
>
> <tr>
> <th align="left"><dtml-var propertyLabel(id)></th>
> <td><dtml-if "type =='text'">
>  <textarea name="<dtml-var id>:text" rows="6" cols="35"><dtml-var
>    "getProperty(id)" html_quote></textarea>
> <dtml-else>
>   <input type="text" name="<dtml-var id>:<dtml-var
>    type>" size="35" value="<dtml-if "hasProperty(id)"><dtml-var
>    "'%s' % getProperty(id)" html_quote></dtml-if>">
> </dtml-if></td>
> </tr>
>
> ...but I'd suggest studying properties.dtml the code there is much more
> complete.
>
>
> > From: "Tim Hicks" <tim@sitefusion.co.uk>
> > Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:16:02 +0100
> > To: <zope@zope.org>
> > Subject: [Zope] getPropertyType
> >
> > I have a zclass that has a property sheet called 'details' and I am
trying
> > to create a form for editing this that goes through the property sheet
> > (using dtml-in) and creates the correct input box.  Everything works,
except
> > the getPropertyType part, which always returns 'None'.  The ZQR says
that it
> > will do this when the property doesn't exist, but the property clearly
does
> > exist as propertyIds() finds it, a getProperty() does actually return
the
> > value of the property.  I just want to see what sort of property it is
so
> > that I can present the correct type of input box.
> >
> > Here's the code snippet.
> >
> > <dtml-in "propertysheets.details.propertyIds()">
> > <dtml-let pid="_['sequence-item']">
> > <tr>
> > <th align="left"><dtml-var pid></th>
> > <td><dtml-if "propertysheets.details.getPropertyType(pid) ==
> > 'text'"><textarea  name="<dtml-var pid>"><dtml-var
> > "propertysheets.details.getProperty(pid)"></textarea><dtml-else><input
> > type=text name="<dtml-var pid>" value="<dtml-var
> > "propertysheets.details.getProperty(pid)">"></dtml-if></td>
> > <td><dtml-var "propertysheets.details.getPropertyType(pid)"></td>
> > </tr>
> > </dtml-let>
> > </dtml-in>
> >
> > And here is a sample of what it generates.
> >
> > <tr>
> > <th align="left">name</th>
> > <td><input type=text name="name" value="Tim Hicks"></td>
> > <td>None</td>
> > </tr>
> > <tr>
> > <th align="left">email</th>
> > <td><input type=text name="email" value="tim@sitefusion.co.uk"></td>
> > <td>None</td>
> > </tr>
> >
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > tim
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From bkc@murkworks.com  Sat May  5 19:31:04 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 14:31:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope as Portal Server
In-Reply-To: <20010505180318.9521.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <3AF40B82.5366.2ED57708@localhost>

On 5 May 2001, at 11:03, dave@kovach.com wrote:

> thats very cool Brad.
> 
> You could transform it via XSLT prior to browser though... so, end to end
> it works for anyone...

Sorry, that's what I meant. The portal server selects a stylesheet (provided with the 
gadget) to customize the output for IE, netscape or WAP.


> What are YOUR thoughts using a Zope backed architecture in place of
> something like NPS or iPlanet portal server etc.???

Don't know anything about iPlanet, but I think this would be pretty straightforward with 
Zope. 

NPS does a lot more however, it allows the administrator to customize what the user 
can see/select. There's a hierarchy of settings/authority/views etc that is tightly 
integrated with NDS (eDirectory). You could model this on LDAP.

> what does your gadget for NPS interface with? or is it a generic interface
> to anything?

It's a daily fortune, like the Unix fortune program. I wrote it as a sample Jython servlet to 
see if I can get it published in Novell's AppNotes "Creating NPS gadgets using Jython"

> > 
> > 
> > Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
> > http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
> > netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________________
> 
> Get your name as your email and web site address. 
> http://www.NetIdentity.com. Be somebody online.



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http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
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From dieter@handshake.de  Sat May  5 19:26:48 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 20:26:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] manage_upload;manage_delete
In-Reply-To: <856650480@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15092.17896.604833.211231@lindm.dm>

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Danilo_Cust=F3dio_da_Silva?= writes:
 > Please ..Does anyone knows how to use the method manage_upload, and if is
 > there a method called manage_delete that delete file objects,?
Take a look at your embedded Zope help system:

     Zope Help -> API reference -> Image
                                   ObjectManager


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Sat May  5 19:34:44 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 20:34:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] getPropertyType
In-Reply-To: <246267060@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15092.18372.994889.124752@lindm.dm>

Tim Hicks writes:
 > ... problem with "PropertySheet.getPropertyType" ...
This might be a bug.

I looked in the code at "OFS.PropertySheets".

  "getPropertyType" is very differently implemented
  than "hasProperty".
  "getPropertyType" looks at "self.p_self()._properties" while
  "hasProperty" looks at "self._propertyMap".

  This is very suspicious.

  At your place, I would make "getPropertyType" similar to
  "hasProperty" and if that gives you the correct result,
  file a bug report into the collector.


Dieter


From cg@cdegroot.com  Sat May  5 20:42:58 2001
From: cg@cdegroot.com (Cees de Groot)
Date: 5 May 2001 21:42:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope as Portal Server
References: <20010503205420.20522.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <9d1l42$8co$1@home.cdegroot.com>

 <dave@kovach.com> said:
>Another way to think of this is using ZOPE as an integration layer between many different enterprise applications via the web.
>
>Its great at Content Management (a Portal of sorts)
>and other intended uses - seems like its functionality could be geared around the above too. You then have total control of an enterprises web-offerings to public, employees, vendors all in one place too.
>

I've experimented a bit with the XML/RPC "proxy" product, using it not to
connect to another Zope instance but to an XML/RPC server running in
Smalltalk. It works OK, and I think it is a nice starting point for thinking
about enterprise integration work. Using XML/RPC or SOAP to talk from a Zope
server to other applications is not very hard, but what's needed is a
collection of patterns around the creation of sessions, collection of state,
the sort of interface you want to present to Zope so that the work best done
in Zope goes as smoothly as possible, etcetera.

For me, it's a very big missing item in the Zope toolbox.



From olaf.zanger@soli-con.com  Sat May  5 21:02:50 2001
From: olaf.zanger@soli-con.com (Olaf Zanger)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 22:02:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope] xmlrpc and ZSQL Method
References: <01050517231000.04473@sino> <01050615202502.01474@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3AF45C6A.5759E1E8@soli-con.com>

hi there,

sorry phil for beeing so clueless as i am, but doing my best :-) ...

> return context.prd_sql_method(fac_id_only=fac_id_only,date=date)
what would "context" be?

i don't have a clue -- sorry



i tried an other way by External method with working pgsql access. i checked the
scirpt running from the directory without zope involved then it prints the following
as result:

production
----------
    89.888
(1 row)

a pprint(result) prints:
<pgqueryobject object at 8100c78>

which is not a string. 
i have no clue how to print this.

i thougth i can pass return result[22:33] to xmlrpc-client, but doesn't work either

so the problem seams


> 
> which takes the same parameters as your sql method.
> 
> I've done this my self so I know this works, if you can get the incantation
> right ;)
> 
> Luck be with you
> 
> Phil
> 
> On Saturday 05 May 2001 11:23, you wrote:
> > hi phil,
> >
> > thanks for trying to help,
> >
> > just i get the following error message . my Zsql-method uses these two
> > parameter names and the code is:
> >
> > ---------------------------
> > result=s.Zope.operate.xmlrpc.prd_sql_method(1, '1996-02-01') # error
> >
> > if len(results)>0:
> >     print 'found records: '
> > else:
> >     print 'no records'
> >
> > for record in results:
> >     print record[0]
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------
> >
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "./ip-prd_get-0.0.2.py", line 33, in ?
> >     result=s.Zope.operate.xmlrpc.prd_sql_method(1, '1996-02-01') # error
> >   File "./xmlrpclib.py", line 547, in __call__
> >     return self.__send(self.__name, args)
> >   File "./xmlrpclib.py", line 630, in __request
> >     request
> >   File "./xmlrpclib.py", line 585, in request
> >     return self.parse_response(h.getfile())
> >   File "./xmlrpclib.py", line 601, in parse_response
> >     return u.close()
> >   File "./xmlrpclib.py", line 371, in close
> >     raise apply(Fault, (), self._stack[0])
> > xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -2: "Unexpected Zope error value: ['fac_id_only',
> > 'date']">
> >
> > have a nice weekend
> >
> > olaf

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From evan@4-am.com  Sat May  5 21:29:14 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:29:14 -0500
Subject: [Zope] get error "no module named TAL.TALParser"
References: <001f01c0d547$d1e1e2d0$18a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <005201c0d5a2$0d6a6a70$2a01a8c0@evansys>

From: Robert Rottermann
> TAL is istalled in the products directory, and a TALParser.py can be
found there.

TAL is not a Product, but rather a regular Python package.  As the
installation directions state, it should be placed in $ZOPE/lib/python,
not in the Products subdirectory.

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From hohoff@rz.uni-potsdam.de  Sat May  5 21:24:02 2001
From: hohoff@rz.uni-potsdam.de (Holger Hoffmann)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 22:24:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] newbie question about aquisition
References: <002201c0d5be$0e485da0$c046fea9@p166mmx>
Message-ID: <3AF46162.60D7F6DE@snafu.de>

Hi Tomas,

Tomas Mortensen wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> consider the folowing scenario:
> 
> an index_html dtml document is located in the root folder. this document
> includes another dtml document, includefile,  with the dtml-var tag.
> 
> /index_html
> /includefile
> /myfolder/includefile
> /myfolder/mysubfolder/
> 
> if i access the URL http://myhost/myfolder/mysubfolder, i get the index_html
> file from the root folder, by aquisition. the problem is that the included
> dtml file _also_ comes from the root.
> 
> what i want is that the includefile in myfolder will override the one in the
> root folder. is this posible?

yes, if you use a dtml method (not a dtml document) for index_html

... Holger


From mindlace@digicool.com  Sun May  6 04:08:26 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 23:08:26 -0400
Subject: Performance with large ZODB's (was Re: [Zope] Announce - Audio
 Product)
In-Reply-To: <000501c0d380$dcd93170$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <40080000.989118506@orlog>

--On 05/02/01 20:26:37 -0700 Andy McKay chiseled:

>> Several gigs of RAM?  Cool!  Maybe someone from DC can detail what goes
>> on at startup that might take alot of time.
>
> When you start a ZODB up, an index is built of every object inside the
> ZODB so it that can call it again later, effectively it reads through the
> entire DB.
[...]
> Ive had 1 gig db's and found them a pain to work with from this point of
> view.

2 things:  first, if you use ZEO, then this startup time is pushed to the 
storage server. Your ZClients can start up in seconds, depending on how 
large the ZEO cache is.  For example, with the 2.8GB Zope.org data.fs, ZEO 
clients take about 13 seconds to start up with a 300mb cache and 2 seconds 
to start up with no cache. if you are doing lots of product changes, make 
sure that ZEO_CLIENT is not set so that your products reinitialize.

As far as the memory usage goes, Berkeley Storage will help this 
tremendously.

Hope that helps,
--
-mindlace-
zopatista community liason


From astlj@hotmail.com  Sun May  6 04:09:40 2001
From: astlj@hotmail.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 19:09:40 -0800
Subject: [Zope] Proper Case function
Message-ID: <F116QDGk4p9gRy92bgN00001178@hotmail.com>

Hello all,

I'm looking for a proper case function --> something that will return the 
string "Category" from the string "category". It doesn't have to worry about 
if the string is a proper name, but that would be nice. I'm just trying to 
figure out if a function exists that will capitalize the first letter of a 
string (or if I have to script something).

Thanks in advance,
Tommy
_________________________________________________________________
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From lstaffor@dynalogic.com  Sun May  6 06:25:39 2001
From: lstaffor@dynalogic.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 22:25:39 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: Xron question
References: <B716EB27.2B98%tom@othermedia.com>
Message-ID: <005201c0d5ec$fd4f3a80$2201a8c0@pav2>

A Xron Method can be anywhere. That's why Schedule is in root -- so it is
aquired by any Xron Method anywhere.

-- Loren

----- Original Message -----
From: "tom smith" <tom@othermedia.com>
To: <lstaffor@dynalogic.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:01 AM
Subject: Xron question


> Hi
>
> Quick Question.
>
> Can I create an Xron Method anywhere and have it fire off? Or does it have
> to be inside the Schedule object that seems to get created in the root
zope
> folder.
>
> Thanks
>
> tom
>
>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.othermedia.com/blog
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> 11 penrhyn road, kingston-upon-thames, london KT1 2BZ
>
>



From randy@spoke.net  Sun May  6 06:33:14 2001
From: randy@spoke.net (Randall F. Kern)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 22:33:14 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Proper Case function
Message-ID: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE04222B@sammamish-dc.spoke.net>

>From DTML:

<dtml-var foo capitalize>

>From Python:

import string
string.capitalize('category')

-Randy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tommy Johnson [mailto:astlj@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 8:10 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Proper Case function
>=20
>=20
> Hello all,
>=20
> I'm looking for a proper case function --> something that=20
> will return the=20
> string "Category" from the string "category". It doesn't have=20
> to worry about=20
> if the string is a proper name, but that would be nice. I'm=20
> just trying to=20
> figure out if a function exists that will capitalize the=20
> first letter of a=20
> string (or if I have to script something).
>=20
> Thanks in advance,
> Tommy
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>=20
>=20
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From marc@bowery.com  Sun May  6 06:44:26 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 01:44:26 -0400
Subject: Performance with large ZODB's (was Re: [Zope] Announce -
 Audio Product)
In-Reply-To: <40080000.989118506@orlog>
Message-ID: <B71A5CFA.2C4B6%marc@bowery.com>


> From: ethan mindlace fremen <mindlace@digicool.com>
> 
> 2 things:  first, if you use ZEO, then this startup time is pushed to the
> storage server. Your ZClients can start up in seconds, depending on how
> large the ZEO cache is.  For example, with the 2.8GB Zope.org data.fs, ZEO
> clients take about 13 seconds to start up with a 300mb cache and 2 seconds
> to start up with no cache. if you are doing lots of product changes, make
> sure that ZEO_CLIENT is not set so that your products reinitialize.

How long does it take the storage server to start?




From ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu  Sun May  6 06:45:15 2001
From: ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 01:45:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope] broken root security tab
Message-ID: <20010506014515.A60194@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>

Hello,

I recently upgraded to Zope 2.3.2 and added several new products.  Sometime
during that process, my root security tab stopped working with:

Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: string member test needs char left operand

A quick mailing list search indicates that it is probably related to a
missing ',' in one of the products, but I am just guessing.

How can I track down the source of this error?  I tried to run the python
debugger, but trying to access Zpublish.Zope('/manage_access') simply denies
access.  I'm rather new to Zope debugging, so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Dave
-- 
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When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  Try to live your life
so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry.  -1/2 jj^2


From kosh@aesaeion.com  Sun May  6 01:03:59 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 00:03:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] broken root security tab
In-Reply-To: <20010506014515.A60194@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105060003190.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>

Right click on the page with the error and view the source. In the page
source you should have a traceback. At the very least it should way which
product the error is in. Most likely it will have the line the error is
at.

On Sun, 6 May 2001, Dave Ahn wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I recently upgraded to Zope 2.3.2 and added several new products.  Sometime
> during that process, my root security tab stopped working with:
>
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: string member test needs char left operand
>
> A quick mailing list search indicates that it is probably related to a
> missing ',' in one of the products, but I am just guessing.
>
> How can I track down the source of this error?  I tried to run the python
> debugger, but trying to access Zpublish.Zope('/manage_access') simply denies
> access.  I'm rather new to Zope debugging, so any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> --
> Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center
>
> When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  Try to live your life
> so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry.  -1/2 jj^2
>
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From arkaitz@euskalcom.net  Sun May  6 11:08:09 2001
From: arkaitz@euskalcom.net (Arkaitz Bitorika)
Date: 06 May 2001 12:08:09 +0200
Subject: [Zope] create ZClass instances in Python scripts
In-Reply-To: <3AF3FC8B.CE580023@vt.edu>
References: <989065624.1992.9.camel@basajaun>  <3AF3FC8B.CE580023@vt.edu>
Message-ID: <989143691.1205.1.camel@basajaun>

On 05 May 2001 09:13:47 -0400, Jim Washington wrote:
> Arkaitz Bitorika wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Is it possible to create programmatically ZClass instances from Python
> > scripts? I haven't been able to do it.
> > I have the next thing in my Python script:
> >     folder.manage_addProduct['MyProduct'].manage_addMyZClass_py(myId)
> > And then I have a Python Script called "manage_addMyZClass_py" in
> > "MyProduct" that does simply this:
> >     container.MyZClass.createInObjectManager(id)
> > All this gives me the next message:
> >                    Error Type: TypeError
> >                    Error Value: not enough arguments; expected 3,got 2
> > This happens when calling createInObjectManager(), because it expects a
> > REQUEST object, but I don't have one! It won't accept a None REQUEST
> > object either.
> > Any hint?
> 
> container can acquire a REQUEST object.  Try:
> 
> container.MyZClass.createInObjectManager(id, container.REQUEST)

Thanks! that works, but what I'm doing now is passing the original
context.REQUEST over to the constructor. It seems to be a good solution
as well

> 
> -- Jim Washington
> 
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From roche@upfrontsystems.co.za  Sun May  6 13:19:12 2001
From: roche@upfrontsystems.co.za (Roch'e Compaan)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 14:19:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope runs very slowly
Message-ID: <000a01c0d626$c26b09f0$0102a8c0@roche.up-front.co.za>

I compiled Zope 2-3-0 from source on a Pentium II 266 MHz with 128 MB RAM=
 on
Redhat 6.2 and it runs very slowly.  When I say slow I mean it takes
approximately 3 minutes to start up and 5 seconds per request.  I'll give=
 a
bit more background since I don't think this is a Zope problem per se.

This is not a first Zope install - on our public server I frequently comp=
ile
Zope from source and it flies.  On this particular server almost everythi=
ng
was compiled from scratch (kernel, apache, python, etc) with aggresive
optimization turned on.  All the software installed is really running
smoothly except for Zope.  I then recompiled python with no optimization =
but
still Zope was crawling.  It took me quite a while to build the server th=
us
far and  it took a lot of effort securing and optimizing it but at the
moment I really don't have a clue where to start looking for the problem.
What is funny is that other python-built software like mailman is running=
 up
to speed but mailman is not multi-threaded or nearly as complex as Zope.

It seems to me that accessing the Data.fs file is problematic, because th=
e
harddrive just seems too busy compared to other Zope installations we've
made.  The load on the CPU seems normal.

Any pointers would really be appreciated.
Roch=E9



From laird@ecn.purdue.edu  Sun May  6 13:48:04 2001
From: laird@ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler B. Laird)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 07:48:04 -0500
Subject: [Zope] security risk in "many authors" situation
Message-ID: <200105061248.f46Cm6D12796@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu>

I've been working on "security" from a perspective
of users/authors not being able to do more than
what they're granted permission to do.  I finally
realized that there's a huge risk in a system like
ours with many untrusted authors creating contnet
to be viewed by trusted users.

If, for example, a student makes a page as part of
his homework, any commands he puts in it will be
executed with the privileges of his professor when
it is checked.  This is a bit like getting someone
to run your own script in UNIX, but vastly more
likely.

Any ideas for getting around this?  I'm stumped.
I want to be able to do this in many situations,
but certainly it can be devastating in some.

Thank you.

--kyler


From mcm@mixadlive.com  Sun May  6 15:04:32 2001
From: mcm@mixadlive.com (Michele Comitini)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 16:04:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Psycopg] \'s in ZSQL methods with Postgresql
In-Reply-To: <A0F836836670D41183A800508BAF190B35E5DD@icex1.cc.ic.ac.uk>; from p.mayers@ic.ac.uk on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:49:24PM +0100
References: <A0F836836670D41183A800508BAF190B35E5DD@icex1.cc.ic.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20010506160432.A18529@developers.mixadlive.com>

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To fix the problem Connection.sql_quote__() needed to be overridden with
a version handling "\" escaping correctly.

The latest version on the cvs server (see
http://www.initd.org/Software/psycopg/ on how to use it) should be
correct.  Otherwise you can wait next release which Federico will make
available soon.

Regards,
michele


On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:49:24PM +0100, Mayers, Philip J wrote:
> Ok, thanks.
>=20
> Regards,
> Phil
>=20
> +----------------------------------+
> | Phil Mayers, Network Support     |
> | Centre for Computing Services    |
> | Imperial College                 |
> +----------------------------------+ =20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Federico Di Gregorio [mailto:fog@mixadlive.com]
> Sent: 04 May 2001 16:05
> To: Mayers, Philip J
> Cc: 'psycopg@lists.initd.org'; 'zope@zope.org'
> Subject: Re: [Psycopg] \'s in ZSQL methods with Postgresql
>=20
>=20
> Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Mayers, Philip J's letter:
> > This:
> >=20
> > update tb1 set cl1=3D<dtml-sqlvar val1 type=3Dnb>,who=3D<dtml-sqlvar
> > "REQUEST.AUTHENTICATED_USER">,time=3Dnow()
> >=20
> > Called with:
> >=20
> > sqlmethod(val1=3D'\')
> >=20
> > Fails with:
> >=20
> > Error Type: ProgrammingError
> > Error Value: ERROR: parser: parse error at or near "loginname" update t=
b1
> > set cl1=3D'\',who=3D'loginname',time=3Dnow()
> >=20
> > Clearly the \ needs to be escaped. Is this Postgres specific? If so, why
> > isn't the DA (ZPsycopg) quoting it? Running Zope 2.3.2
>=20
> you are right, quoting will be fixed in the next release (we use psycopg
> much more than ZPsycopgDA, so this one still has some rought edges...)
> btw, what does 'type=3Dnb' means? (i only know of string and int...)
>=20
> ciao,
> federico
>=20
> --=20
> Federico Di Gregorio
> MIXAD LIVE Chief of Research & Technology              fog@mixadlive.com
> Debian GNU/Linux Developer & Italian Press Contact        fog@debian.org
>   Try the Joy of TeX [http://www.tug.org]
>                                       -- brought to you by One Line Spam
> _______________________________________________
> Psycopg mailing list
> Psycopg@lists.initd.org
> http://lists.initd.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/psycopg

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From laird@ecn.purdue.edu  Sun May  6 15:59:30 2001
From: laird@ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler B. Laird)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 09:59:30 -0500
Subject: [Zope] security risk in "many authors" situation
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 06 May 2001 10:44:24 -0400."
 <Pine.LNX.4.30.0105061042001.22407-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0105061042001.22407-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200105061459.f46ExWD13572@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu>

On Sun, 6 May 2001 10:44:24 -0400 (EDT) you wrote:

>IIRC, this is *not* the case at all --

Ah!  I love being wrong about such things.

>you 'run' a script w/the
>intersection of your privileges and those of the creator.

I did something earlier that lead me to assume
that this was not the case, but I went back to
verify it and I see that what you say is correct.

My day is really looking up.  If I had been right
about that, I would have been in a world of hurt.

>(Hence, why the
>superuser can't own objects.)

Of course.  That makes perfect sense.

Thank you for the correction!

I'm sorry that I didn't check more today.  I'll
try to investigate my sleep-time conclusions a
bit before I panic next time.

--kyler


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun May  6 16:41:48 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 16:41:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
References: <15090.62937.46920.564769@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <3AF570BC.C72B37ED@nipltd.com>

Dieter Maurer wrote:
> 
> The value of the "sort" attribute is a comma separated
> sequence of field names. 

Is the same true for ZCatalog?
If not, can this be used to have the same effect on ZCatalog search results or
would the benefits of the lazy results set in a batched search be lost?

cheers,

Chris


From rbickers@logicetc.com  Sun May  6 18:55:24 2001
From: rbickers@logicetc.com (Ron Bickers)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 13:55:24 -0400
Subject: [Zope] security risk in "many authors" situation
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0105061042001.22407-100000@localhost.localdomain>  <200105061459.f46ExWD13572@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu>
Message-ID: <000a01c0d655$d37aab90$6500a8c0@foveondrgox8v8>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kyler B. Laird" <laird@ecn.purdue.edu>
To: "Joel Burton" <joel@scw.org>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] security risk in "many authors" situation 


> 
> On Sun, 6 May 2001 10:44:24 -0400 (EDT) you wrote:
> 
> >IIRC, this is *not* the case at all --
> 
> Ah!  I love being wrong about such things.

This was a problem in Zope prior to 2.2.

See http://www.zope.org//Members/jim/ZopeSecurity/ServerSideTrojan

_____________________
Ron Bickers
Logic Etc, Inc.
rbickers@logicetc.com



From marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de  Sun May  6 19:51:30 2001
From: marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de (Marcus Schopen)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 20:51:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] sum up values of two variables
Message-ID: <989175090.3af59d3282965@marcus.localguru.de>

Hi there,

how do one sum up the values of two variables?

<dtml-let a="_.len(hello.getPhysicalPath())" b="'BASE'">
  <dtml-var a>
  <dtml-var b>
</dtml-let>

In other words: the result of _.len(hello.getPhysicalPath()) and the string 
"BASE" should sum up to one variable, something like

<dtml-let a="'BASE'+_.len(hello.getPhysicalPath())">

Thank you
Marcus


From marc@bowery.com  Sun May  6 20:04:25 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 15:04:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope] sum up values of two variables
In-Reply-To: <989175090.3af59d3282965@marcus.localguru.de>
Message-ID: <B71B1878.2C515%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Marcus Schopen <marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de>
> Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 20:51:30 +0200 (CEST)
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] sum up values of two variables
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> how do one sum up the values of two variables?
> 
> <dtml-let a="_.len(hello.getPhysicalPath())" b="'BASE'">
> <dtml-var a>
> <dtml-var b>
> </dtml-let>
> 
> In other words: the result of _.len(hello.getPhysicalPath()) and the string
> "BASE" should sum up to one variable, something like
> 
> <dtml-let a="'BASE'+_.len(hello.getPhysicalPath())">
> 
>

Close, <dtml-let a="'BASE'+`_.len(hello.getPhysicalPath())`">




From andreas@easyleading.org  Sun May  6 20:32:58 2001
From: andreas@easyleading.org (Andreas Heckel)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 21:32:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-CMF] [ANN] German CMF skin available
References: <3AF3A8CC.B0D06D57@easyleading.org> <001601c0d580$097a15e0$0a01a8c0@stravinsky>
Message-ID: <3AF5A6EA.47B933F5@easyleading.org>

robert at rocad wrote:
> 
> ...
> It is not necessary to alter any CMF core files to have the actionbox
> translated.
> This can easily be done in a skin. Just translate  the words the action box
> is throwing at you
> 
> To do this I created a tiny python script called 
> ...

Hi Robert,

thanks for your suggestion. I did not spend much time in that part of
the
translation because there is a comment on the listActions method saying
that
it will be configurable through the portal_actions UI.

BTW: Erich Seifert has found some typo and made some other suggestions.
A new
version of the translation and a small how-to will be available soon.

Andreas

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
Andreas Heckel                                  andreas@easyleading.org
LINUX is like a wigwam...no gates...no windows and an apache inside ;-)


From ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu  Sun May  6 20:40:49 2001
From: ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu (Dave Ahn)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 15:40:49 -0400
Subject: [Zope] broken root security tab
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105060003190.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>; from kosh@aesaeion.com on Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:03:59AM +0000
References: <20010506014515.A60194@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105060003190.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <20010506154049.A60589@cecum.vec.wfubmc.edu>

This is what I get:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in publish_module
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: manage_access)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object
    (Object: manage_access)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/AccessControl/Role.py, line 257, in manage_access
    (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 324, in __call__
    (Object: _normal_manage_access)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 354, in _bindAndExec
    (Object: _normal_manage_access)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 236, in _exec
    (Object: _normal_manage_access)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_With.py, line 146, in render
    (Object: _.namespace(valid_roles=valid_roles()))
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line 650, in renderwob
    (Object: permission_settings)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/AccessControl/Role.py, line 182, in permission_settings
    (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/AccessControl/Role.py, line 177, in &lt;lambda&gt;
TypeError: (see above)

The relevant lines from Role.py appear to be:
            d={'name': name,
               'acquire': type(roles) is ListType and 'CHECKED' or '',
               'roles': map(
                   lambda ir, roles=roles, valid=valid, ip=ip:
                   {
                       'name': "p%dr%d" % (ip,ir),
                       'checked': (valid[ir] in roles) and 'CHECKED' or '',
                       },
                   indexes)
               }

Any suggestions on how to fix this?

Thanks,
Dave


On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:03:59AM +0000, kosh@aesaeion.com wrote:
> Right click on the page with the error and view the source. In the page
> source you should have a traceback. At the very least it should way which
> product the error is in. Most likely it will have the line the error is
> at.
> 
> On Sun, 6 May 2001, Dave Ahn wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I recently upgraded to Zope 2.3.2 and added several new products.  Sometime
> > during that process, my root security tab stopped working with:
> >
> > Error Type: TypeError
> > Error Value: string member test needs char left operand
> >
> > A quick mailing list search indicates that it is probably related to a
> > missing ',' in one of the products, but I am just guessing.
> >
> > How can I track down the source of this error?  I tried to run the python
> > debugger, but trying to access Zpublish.Zope('/manage_access') simply denies
> > access.  I'm rather new to Zope debugging, so any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> > --
> > Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center
> >
> > When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  Try to live your life
> > so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry.  -1/2 jj^2
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )

-- 
Dave Ahn | ahn@vec.wfubmc.edu | Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center

When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced.  Try to live your life
so that when you die, you will rejoice and the world will cry.  -1/2 jj^2


From mehmety@auslin.com.au  Sun May  6 21:47:16 2001
From: mehmety@auslin.com.au (Mehmet Yousouf)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 06:47:16 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Passing variable to a python script
Message-ID: <01050706471600.03747@theo.home>

Hi,
I'm trying out python scripts and can't get the variables posted from a form 
accross.
I'm calling the script from a dtml method via <dtml-var python-script-name>  
but keep getting "unknown variable" as the error .. it's a simple script that 
adds two numbers together (x = first_number + second_number) and 
first_number, second_number are from the form. The show answer method can 
display both variables (<dtml-var first_number>)
I'm using python 2 (compiled zope from source) is this the problem? if it is, 
can I run python 2 with pyton 1.52?

Regards, Mehmet  


From bill@libc.org  Sun May  6 23:01:22 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 06 May 2001 16:01:22 -0600
Subject: [Zope] get error "no module named TAL.TALParser"
In-Reply-To: <005201c0d5a2$0d6a6a70$2a01a8c0@evansys>
References: <001f01c0d547$d1e1e2d0$18a4023e@karin>
 <005201c0d5a2$0d6a6a70$2a01a8c0@evansys>
Message-ID: <989186482.12170.4.camel@locutus>

On 05 May 2001 15:29:14 -0500, Evan Simpson wrote:
> From: Robert Rottermann
> > TAL is istalled in the products directory, and a TALParser.py can be
> found there.
> 
> TAL is not a Product, but rather a regular Python package.  As the
> installation directions state, it should be placed in $ZOPE/lib/python,
> not in the Products subdirectory.

How does this work with INSTANCE_HOME setups?
Can $INSTANCE_HOME have a lib/python tree as well?

Bill






From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May  8 04:06:35 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 23:06:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope] get error "no module named TAL.TALParser"
In-Reply-To: <989186482.12170.4.camel@locutus>
References: <001f01c0d547$d1e1e2d0$18a4023e@karin> <005201c0d5a2$0d6a6a70$2a01a8c0@evansys> <989186482.12170.4.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <01050723063500.01849@localhost.localdomain>

>From my experience it doesn'y have to live in lib/python it just has to be 
available on the PYTHONPATH.

On Sunday 06 May 2001 18:01, Bill Anderson wrote:
> On 05 May 2001 15:29:14 -0500, Evan Simpson wrote:
> > From: Robert Rottermann
> >
> > > TAL is istalled in the products directory, and a TALParser.py can be
> >
> > found there.
> >
> > TAL is not a Product, but rather a regular Python package.  As the
> > installation directions state, it should be placed in $ZOPE/lib/python,
> > not in the Products subdirectory.
>
> How does this work with INSTANCE_HOME setups?
> Can $INSTANCE_HOME have a lib/python tree as well?
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From marcbpc@gmx.de  Sun May  6 23:13:45 2001
From: marcbpc@gmx.de (Marc Fischer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 00:13:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Image Uploading
In-Reply-To: <01050706471600.03747@theo.home>
Message-ID: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJCEDACJAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>

Hi,

a new problem has appeared :-(

Ok, I want to upload an Image into my ZOPE which only exists on an external
Server. The pictures url could be http://somewhere.com/pic.jpg.
So, I need a way, to insert this Image in my ZODB. But how, ... ???
I tried it with the manage_addImange tag, but without success. It seems as
this tag only accepts files from my local file system.

Perhaps, someone of you can help me, ...

thank you, ...

Marc




From bill@libc.org  Sun May  6 23:14:14 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 06 May 2001 16:14:14 -0600
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] Improving Zope's management interface
In-Reply-To: <20010503202548.C479@nordine.ateur>
References: <B71627F6.2C0FE%marc@bowery.com>
 <3AF19160.209268BB@artlover.com>  <20010503202548.C479@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <989187254.12178.5.camel@locutus>

On 03 May 2001 20:25:48 +0200, Jerome Alet wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:12:00PM -0500, Ausum wrote:
> > I've uploaded pic snapshots hoping to explain them. They're based only in
> > modifications to distribution dtml files, and one python module file. If you
> > want the code
> > I can send it to you, but you'll probably want to take a look first. :)
> 
> Except the Vi/Ew thing the rest is VERY interesting !

And, of course, except for the InternetExlorer only cruft.

Also, splitting up parts of a single word to do different things is bad
UI. It is not intuitive that a single word such as Edit does two
different things depending on where you click.

Bill






From dieter@handshake.de  Sun May  6 23:17:20 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 00:17:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
In-Reply-To: <3AF570BC.C72B37ED@nipltd.com>
References: <15090.62937.46920.564769@lindm.dm>
 <3AF570BC.C72B37ED@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <15093.52592.578336.466582@lindm.dm>

Chris Withers writes:
 > > The value of the "sort" attribute is a comma separated
 > > sequence of field names. 
 > 
 > Is the same true for ZCatalog?
I do not think so.

 > If not, can this be used to have the same effect on ZCatalog search results or
 > would the benefits of the lazy results set in a batched search be lost?
Of course, you can use "in"'s sort attribute to sort a ZCatalog
result sequence. And surely, you need to fetch the sequence
elements to sort them.



Dieter


From junk@gargl.net  Sun May  6 23:44:56 2001
From: junk@gargl.net (Junk)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 00:44:56 +0200
Subject: [Zope] question about multiple search criteria
Message-ID: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDKEEECDAA.junk@gargl.net>

hello, world!

i have this database wich i want to sort by multiple criteria (12 criteria)
so i would have to search a zcatalog with those and i heard that quite a lot
of people don't trust the zcatalog and it just doesn't seem to be *right*.

is it cleaner to do it in some sort of relational database and make sql
queries on it ?

it **seems** to me that it would be better to do it this way, but i'm not
sure, any ideas on how to do it ?

Junk



From marc@bowery.com  Mon May  7 00:11:46 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:11:46 -0400
Subject: [Zope] question about multiple search criteria
In-Reply-To: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDKEEECDAA.junk@gargl.net>
Message-ID: <B71B5271.2C53A%marc@bowery.com>

check out http://www.zope.org/Members/Caseman/ZCatalog_for_2.3

> From: "Junk" <junk@gargl.net>
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 00:44:56 +0200
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope] question about multiple search criteria
> 
> hello, world!
> 
> i have this database wich i want to sort by multiple criteria (12 criteria)
> so i would have to search a zcatalog with those and i heard that quite a lot
> of people don't trust the zcatalog and it just doesn't seem to be *right*.
> 
> is it cleaner to do it in some sort of relational database and make sql
> queries on it ?
> 
> it **seems** to me that it would be better to do it this way, but i'm not
> sure, any ideas on how to do it ?
> 
> Junk
> 
> 



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Mon May  7 00:19:23 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 19:19:23 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Image Uploading
References: <ONECKCGMBJBFCEADAMIJCEDACJAA.marcbpc@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <004701c0d682$fc9b42a0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

"Marc Fischer" <marcbpc@gmx.de> wrote:
> Ok, I want to upload an Image into my ZOPE which only exists on an
external
> Server. The pictures url could be http://somewhere.com/pic.jpg.
> So, I need a way, to insert this Image in my ZODB. But how, ... ???

There are probably many ways to do this.
An immediate one I just tested uses Jerome Alet's lovely evolving ZShell:
http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/
[note:Zshell 0.3 does not yet have security issues resolved]

First install and create an instance of Zshell
call it http://yoursite.com/zhell [or whatever you name your instance]
<inside Zshell window>
type 'man' or 'help' to see commands, arguments and caveats. Print this
page..
ok now you are all ready:

Zshell has a 'wget' command which is very easy to use

cd to the folder you want, or mkdir to create one and then cd to it
wget http://somewhere.com/pic.jpg
</inside Zshell window>

voila! a new image is created named 'pic.jpg_jpeg'

Take a look at his zshell source to see how this is done.
You can then write Zope methods to suit your own image needs, presumably to
automate the process with sensible parameters.

hth

./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May  7 00:38:21 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 01:38:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Proper Case function
In-Reply-To: <F116QDGk4p9gRy92bgN00001178@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1357023880.989199501@BUZZER>

Hi Tommy,

zope is built with python. You do a lot easyer, if you
learn python. Quick with the tutorial and then keep the
"library reference" under your pillow.

However, the function you are looking for is
called "capitalize". It is part of the string modul, so
in dtml, it would be reachable by "_.string.capitalize(yourstring)"

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Samstag, 5. Mai 2001 19:09 -0800 Tommy Johnson <astlj@hotmail.com> 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'm looking for a proper case function --> something that will return the
> string "Category" from the string "category". It doesn't have to worry
> about if the string is a proper name, but that would be nice. I'm just
> trying to figure out if a function exists that will capitalize the first
> letter of a string (or if I have to script something).
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tommy
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From joe@LADWP.net  Mon May  7 02:23:45 2001
From: joe@LADWP.net (Joe Copeland)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:23:45 -0700
Subject: [Zope] images
Message-ID: <001901c0d694$5c0c7cc0$0a01a8c0@joecopeland.net>

How can I place an images in an "/images" folder so that they can be
acquired by my entire site.

I've placed my images in a directory called  "/images"  but I can't use the
<dtml-var image.gif> tag to access the image unless I'm in the /images
directory or beneth it.

Is there a way I can set the source directory of all image objects so that
whenever I call upon an image by the image name Zope can find it?

Thanks,

Joe





From marc@bowery.com  Mon May  7 02:21:39 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 21:21:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope] images
In-Reply-To: <001901c0d694$5c0c7cc0$0a01a8c0@joecopeland.net>
Message-ID: <B71B70E3.2C553%marc@bowery.com>

You'd use <dtml-var images/image.gif>
Also, check out the product CascadingFolders for organizing image folders.

> From: "Joe Copeland" <joe@LADWP.net>
> Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:23:45 -0700
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope] images
> 
> How can I place an images in an "/images" folder so that they can be
> acquired by my entire site.
> 
> I've placed my images in a directory called  "/images"  but I can't use the
> <dtml-var image.gif> tag to access the image unless I'm in the /images
> directory or beneth it.
> 
> Is there a way I can set the source directory of all image objects so that
> whenever I call upon an image by the image name Zope can find it?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Mon May  7 03:14:09 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 22:14:09 -0400
Subject: [Zope] images
References: <001901c0d694$5c0c7cc0$0a01a8c0@joecopeland.net>
Message-ID: <007e01c0d69b$672ab160$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

"Joe Copeland" <joe@LADWP.net> wrote:
> How can I place an images in an "/images" folder so that they can be
> acquired by my entire site.
>
> I've placed my images in a directory called  "/images"  but I can't use
the
> <dtml-var image.gif> tag to access the image unless I'm in the /images
> directory or beneth it.
>
> Is there a way I can set the source directory of all image objects so that
> whenever I call upon an image by the image name Zope can find it?

...yeah funky ain't it?
This is probably #1 ZopeNewbie FAQ.
Here's what you have to do:

<dtml-with images>
  <dtml-var nameofimage>
</dtml-with>

<dtml-with images> means something like "with the namespace of images" do
whatever in there until I exit using</dtml-with>
You can nest them and do all sorts of neat powerful tricks with <dtml-with>
For a _real_ explanation read up on <dtml-with> in the book and elsewhere on
Zope.org

A pretty good one is :
http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/HowTos/NameSpaceHow-To

Suppose you have a subfolder called "theatre" inside /images. Then you can
do this:

<dtml-with "images.theatre">  # note: the quotes are important
  <dtml-var nameofimage>
</dtml-with>

This syntax still seems counterintuitive and verbose to me, even when I know
why and grown familiar with it. Some might even consider it a ZopeDTML
annoyance. Best to make friends though, and/or  master the syntax for
programming Zope using External Python Methods and/or Scripts (Python).
Every tool in zope has its virtues ancd vices. The hard part is learning
what those are, for you and your project.

Look through How-Tos for "Image" and you'll find some useful DTML examples
to copy and also design advice about images in Zope.

If you have multiple folders of the same id name [such as "images"]
scattered aournd your Zopesite, and you are getting headaches because
<dtml-with> does not work the way you expect, then it is time to read up
[again] on namespace and the 'only' tag atribute of <dtml-with> .

hth
./Jason

___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']





From junk@gargl.net  Mon May  7 03:42:34 2001
From: junk@gargl.net (Junk)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 04:42:34 +0200
Subject: [Zope] question about searching on subobjects
Message-ID: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDCEEHCDAA.junk@gargl.net>

hi,

i have objects and subobjects (in classes) that i want to index.

let's say i have this structure :

folderA
	itemA
		sub
	itemB
		sub
	itemC
		sub
	itemD
		sub

i want to get some propertie from "itemX" if some propertie of "sub" equals
something.

to make it more clear (propertis are enclosed in parenthesis)

books
	bookname1 (description)
		review (author)
	bookname2 (description)
		review (author)
	bookname3 (description)
		review (author)
	bookname4 (description)
		review (author)

i want to get the "description" of the book whose reviews's author is
"author" ? hu... clear ?

thanx,

JUNK



From sven.fischer@gargl.net  Mon May  7 04:13:27 2001
From: sven.fischer@gargl.net (Sven Fischer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 05:13:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how can i have my content displayed in 2 different ways ?
Message-ID: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDMEEHCDAA.sven.fischer@gargl.net>

hello all,

i have my content in zope in a structure like this :

data/animals/lion
data/animals/coyote
data/animals/elephant

and would like to have 2 ways (in fact n ways) of displaying the information

i could make 2 methods in the animals folder for example and have my urls
look like

data/animals/lion/bluepage
data/animals/lion/redpage

bu i would like to / love to be able to make it like this :

bluepage/animals/lion
redpage/animals/lion

can i do that ? if yes, how ? and does it work with subfolders ?

sorry for all thos questions, but i'd prefer to do it the right way ;-)))

$ven



From jwb@imeme.net  Mon May  7 05:05:47 2001
From: jwb@imeme.net (Jake Berglund)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 00:05:47 -0400
Subject: [Zope] question about searching on subobjects
References: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDCEEHCDAA.junk@gargl.net>
Message-ID: <3AF61F1B.4030000@imeme.net>

Hello,


 > i want to get some propertie from "itemX" if some propertie of "sub" 
equals
 > something.
 >
 > to make it more clear (propertis are enclosed in parenthesis)
 >
 > books
 > 	bookname1 (description)
 > 		review (author)
 > 	bookname2 (description)
 > 		review (author)
 > 	bookname3 (description)
 > 		review (author)
 > 	bookname4 (description)
 > 		review (author)
 >
 > i want to get the "description" of the book whose reviews's author is
 > "author" ? hu... clear ?


You can use nested dtml-ins to iterate over your objects, then dtml-var
to display their properties.

for example:
<dtml-in expr="objectValues(['Folder'])">
   <dtml-var name="description">
   <dtml-in expr="objectValues(['Folder'])">
    <dtml-var name="author">
   </dtml-in>
</dtml-in>

Hope that helps,
Jake
-- 
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http://imeme.net - Affordable Zope Webhosting




From Danny@Adair.net  Mon May  7 05:24:01 2001
From: Danny@Adair.net (Danny William Adair)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:24:01 +1200
Subject: [Zope] images
In-Reply-To: <B71B70E3.2C553%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <JIEMJAOKEEMJAAOOJGOMEEINDOAA.Danny@Adair.net>

Hi Marc!

>>> marc lindahl wrote:
>>>
>>> You'd use <dtml-var images/image.gif>

Cool! When did that start to work? Is there a traversal patch to dtml-var?
My dtml-var (2.3.1) won't do it.

>>> Also, check out the product CascadingFolders for organizing
>>> image folders.

That's interesting, too. Or did you mean TransparentFolders?
http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/TransparentFolders
I can't find CascadingFolders.

tia,
Danny


>>> > From: "Joe Copeland" <joe@LADWP.net>
>>> > Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:23:45 -0700
>>> > To: <zope@zope.org>
>>> > Subject: [Zope] images
>>> >
>>> > How can I place an images in an "/images" folder so that they can be
>>> > acquired by my entire site.
>>> >
>>> > I've placed my images in a directory called  "/images"  but I
>>> can't use the
>>> > <dtml-var image.gif> tag to access the image unless I'm in the /images
>>> > directory or beneth it.
>>> >
>>> > Is there a way I can set the source directory of all image
>>> objects so that
>>> > whenever I call upon an image by the image name Zope can find it?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Joe
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>>> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>>> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>>> > (Related lists -
>>> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>>> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> (Related lists -
>>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>>>



From evan@4-am.com  Mon May  7 05:26:27 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 23:26:27 -0500
Subject: [Zope] get error "no module named TAL.TALParser"
References: <001f01c0d547$d1e1e2d0$18a4023e@karin> <005201c0d5a2$0d6a6a70$2a01a8c0@evansys> <989186482.12170.4.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <000f01c0d6ad$e2cbfec0$2a01a8c0@evansys>

From: "Bill Anderson" <bill@libc.org>
> How does this work with INSTANCE_HOME setups?
> Can $INSTANCE_HOME have a lib/python tree as well?

Not yet, though I expect to have this in Zope 2.4.  For now, you can put
it in your Python lib's site-packages.

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From Danny@Adair.net  Mon May  7 05:32:19 2001
From: Danny@Adair.net (Danny William Adair)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:32:19 +1200
Subject: [Zope] how can i have my content displayed in 2 different ways ?
In-Reply-To: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDMEEHCDAA.sven.fischer@gargl.net>
Message-ID: <JIEMJAOKEEMJAAOOJGOMAEIODOAA.Danny@Adair.net>

>>> Sven Fischer wrote:
>>>
>>> i have my content in zope in a structure like this :
>>>
>>> data/animals/lion
>>> data/animals/coyote
>>> data/animals/elephant
>>>
>>> and would like to have 2 ways (in fact n ways) of displaying
>>> the information
>>>
>>> i could make 2 methods in the animals folder for example and
>>> have my urls
>>> look like
>>>
>>> data/animals/lion/bluepage
>>> data/animals/lion/redpage
>>>
>>> bu i would like to / love to be able to make it like this :
>>>
>>> bluepage/animals/lion
>>> redpage/animals/lion
>>>
>>> can i do that ? if yes, how ? and does it work with subfolders ?

Have you checked out NIP's PathHandler product?
http://www.zope.org/Members/NIP/PathHandler

if bluepage is a PathHandler, it could translate a

bluepage/animals/lion

to a

data/animals/lion/bluepage

That's the simplest solution I could think of right now. And the elegance is
ok, imho. You could take a look at the sources to see how PathHandler does
its __bobo_traverse__

hth,
Danny



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Mon May  7 05:53:33 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 00:53:33 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105041714200.5988-100000@localhost.localdomain> <3AF3F292.3BEE0C65@tm.ee> <20010505153711.A832@nordine.ateur> <001101c0d573$eed3ff00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net> <20010506010135.A4037@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <01f601c0d6b1$abbb2ce0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

Jerome Alet" <alet@unice.fr> wrote:
> If you're interested I've put a 0.3 online at:
>
> http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

This gets better all the time :-)

I have learned so much already, just looking through your source.
It makes a great Zope tutorial in unexpected ways. Thanks.

> new commands: mkver, enter, leave, save, discard (versions)
> and the powerful but not used at its full power until
> variables are checked in: the "call" command !
>
> there are also many bug fixes and the possibility to
> call the method with a zshellscript argument containing the
> list of commands to execute.

Can you give an example to do this please.

....................................
More wishlist suggestions for Zshell.

<note>
I aplologize only a little for this experiment in blatant featuritis. In
many cases this is not rocketscience, but a apprades to be a matter of
writing smart user-friendly wrappers around known zope tricks. The shell
paradigm is very good and does nto really interfere with the nature of zope.
Perhaps those with deeoper zen than me will see the catch. I beleive many of
the practical workflow headaches of using Zope among different
people[skills], can be solved by growing the Zope shell. It separates
function from syntax in a very simple way.
Logic is another question...
If nothing else, I suspect zopeshell is more concise, and readable to more
people out of the box. Also very extendable. A fascinating and useful
experiment imho.
</note>

---------------------------
1. MORE SHELL-LIKE BEHAVIOR

I keep hitting return and expecting my code to happen. It's not just
laziness.
The RUN button breaks the familiar shell command line paradigm.
I realise it is nice to have multiple lines, but I find it faster to type
and keep typing, than have to jump back and forth to the mouse.

One solution:
SHIFT + ENTER => multiline entry
ENTER         => execute

-----------------------------
2. ZSHELL DTML UI SUGGESTIONS
At the top of the page include all the wget commands as hyperlinks links.
Clicking on a command displays the docstring for the command above/below the
text area
and also enters the comand and dummy argument string directly into the
Zshell shell where one may edit.

A checkbox option next to the textarea toggles the 'auto_insert' feature
'on' or 'off'.
'Off' displays just the docstring for the clicked command above the text
area

This kind of behavior and its display should be defined in any .zrc file
and should be able to be invoked in the zshell.
Thus

display_commands    # show hyperlinked zshell commands above text area
auto_insert_off     # jsut the man docstring
auto_insert_on      # insert commands and dummy args
save_zrc  [name]    # save the present zshell dtml UI into .zrc file
                    #  [zodb/tinytable/properties?]
load_zrc  [name]    # load a .zrc conifiguration


DTML + ZSHELL

Add a new tag so that Zshell commands can be run from DTML

A trivial example might go like this:

<dtml-zshell>
mkdir ../artists/$newartist
cd ../artists/$newartist
adduser $newartist/QWERTY
mkdir newprojects/outline
wget http://www.newsartists_website.org/work/outline
pwd
ls
</dtml-zshell>

This would create a new folder for the value of $newartist, a [yet to
implemented] zopeshell variable, which can also passed in by a form or some
DTML
Then add a newuser, and then upload load some HTML+graphics they already
have prepared online somewhere else.

-------------
3. RESULTS
Normal shell would return the results in the shell itself.
I can see why in Zope this may not be often such a good idea. For example,
making ls return a hypelinked table as you do is terrific idea.

But I found that I quickly needcd to jump back and forth between repeat
commadnds when usign zshell. What I was missing was being able to scroll up
and down a familair shell windows, browse and cut''n'paste.
A possible solution:

Allow one to concatentate results to allow a single long scrolling one. This
could be a callable 'zhell_session_RESULTS' DTMLmethod. I think this would
allow one to be even more prodcutive in using Zshell to explore and manage a
Zopesite.
Presumably RESULTS connected to the machanism for history you are working
on...

As above, one shouldbe able to configure this from the shell and/or .zrc:

RESULTS_join
RESULTS_single
RESULTS_off
RESULTS_save [name]
RESULTS_load [name]


I suppose addressable RESULTS are instrinsic to any piping mechanism...
and thus wildcards, 'ls', 'cp' etc..

------------------
4. cd
Seems a little inconsistent at the moment partly becuase it does not resolve
"/"
I have a zshell in zope root "/"

cd .
Results:
cd: New folder is /

cd /images
Results:
cd: Incorrect path /images
WARNING: Errors were encountered

but

cd images
Results:
cd: New folder is /images

Both of the above should be valid.
Perhaps you disagree..

Also for any CD command which is not valid, I suggest including a 'pwd' by
default in the first line of the Results error message:

<zshell>
cd happy
</zshell>

Results:
cd: Incorrect path happy
WARNING: Errors were encountered


---------------------
5. mkdir improvements

mkdir to handle a path option to complement cd from above

mkdir needs option flags to match the manual setting in ZMI of the 2
checkboxes for
    Create public interface
    Create user folder

mkdir newfolder -(p)ublic -(u)ser

Not sure what syntax would be best for doing this when creating a nested
mkdir:

mkdir a/b/c/d -(p)ublic -(u)ser

possibly:
:set public+user attributes for all new folders
:set public+user attributes for just the last folder

Perhaps control it using a simple binary flag style. For example:

mkdir a/b/c/d -p0110 -u1110

Set 'public' b and c only
Add 'user' folders in  a,b,c only

--------------------
6.  cp

Of course 'cp' should work across folders and also be able to paste in one
line.
Perhaps a lot of work. I don't know. And I hope zope acquisition logic does
not mangle this.
Needs to include wildcards of course

cp ../../images/earthrise.jpg  ../graphics/earthrise.jpg


--------------------
9. wildcards

Obviously full Shell-type regular expressions, though desirable,  might be a
big deal.
Some useful, obvious ones for ZopeShell wishlist whcih might be much easier
I can think of:

*
*meta
*date
*date_since
*date_before
*size_under
*size_over
*owner
*property


Examples of wildcards using ls:

ls *.jpeg                    # object whose names end with ".jpeg"
ls *meta='Image'             # objects of meta_type 'Image'
ls *date='06-May-2001'       # objects made on 6th May, 2001
ls *date='today'             # object made today
ls *date_since='01-05-2001'  # objects made since 5th January
ls *date_before='01-05-2001' # objects made before 5th January
ls *size_under='50kb'        # objects less than 50kb
ls *size_over='500kb'        # objects larger than 500kb
ls *owner='nikola'           # objects owned by nikola
ls *property='description'   # objects with a description property


--------------------
8. wget

Very useful for all kinds of things
Change the 'fname' code so that the default behavior is to save names under
their original source names.
If that id is already taken, then take action and rename.
Include an flag for Zope wget to do auto renaming [like it is now].
syntax could perhaps be:

wget args rename_meta    # rename to append meta tag
wget args rename_sub     # rename to append subtype
wget args rename_xyz     # rename to apend _xyz
                         # where _xyz are any continuous suffix string,
"_bak" etc.

7. adduser

This is going to be very cool but, meanwhile I am not not clear what to 'do'
with adduser.
At least until there is a Zshell mechanism to get and set permissions, and
then pass them to the add user command.  I confess I don't really understand
Local Roles in Zope either yet :-(
..so I better shut just up and do some more homework.

>   * I can't make chown to work, do you have got any idea ?
not yet..

cheers
./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']




From magnus.heino@rivermen.se  Mon May  7 05:52:11 2001
From: magnus.heino@rivermen.se (Magnus Heino (Rivermen))
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 06:52:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Properties and naming...
Message-ID: <F1301BD33F9846468C35875DD3056A0F0348E0@tjernobyl.rivernet.rivermen.se>

Hi.

How come a ZClass can have PropertySheet with properties named like
'M=E5ndag', but if you create a python product and inherit from
PropertyManager and add 'M=E5ndag' to _properties, you get an syntax =
error on
the '=E5'?=20

You get the same error in you try to do something with the variable in =
a
Python Script. The ZCatalog on the other hand, deals with the propertie =
just
fine.

So, the question is, is 'M=E5ndag' a valid propertie name?

/Magnus


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Mon May  7 06:06:24 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 01:06:24 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2 -typo
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105041714200.5988-100000@localhost.localdomain> <3AF3F292.3BEE0C65@tm.ee> <20010505153711.A832@nordine.ateur> <001101c0d573$eed3ff00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net> <20010506010135.A4037@nordine.ateur> <01f601c0d6b1$abbb2ce0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <021401c0d6b3$7746e9c0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

ouch sorry typo:

> 2. ZSHELL DTML UI SUGGESTIONS
> At the top of the page include all the wget commands as hyperlinks links.
                                         ^^^^ 
should be

2. ZSHELL DTML UI SUGGESTIONS
At the top of the page include all the 'zshell' commands as hyperlinks.

./Jason



From marc@bowery.com  Mon May  7 07:05:30 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 02:05:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope] images
In-Reply-To: <JIEMJAOKEEMJAAOOJGOMEEINDOAA.Danny@Adair.net>
Message-ID: <B71BB36A.2C580%marc@bowery.com>

> That's interesting, too. Or did you mean TransparentFolders?
> http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/TransparentFolders
> I can't find CascadingFolders.

There's the TransparentFolders as well.... CascadingFolders are here:
 http://www.spoke.net/randy

I'm not sure the diff....



From marc@bowery.com  Mon May  7 07:06:22 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 02:06:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] images
In-Reply-To: <JIEMJAOKEEMJAAOOJGOMEEINDOAA.Danny@Adair.net>
Message-ID: <B71BB39D.2C581%marc@bowery.com>

>>>> You'd use <dtml-var images/image.gif>
> 
> Cool! When did that start to work? Is there a traversal patch to dtml-var?
> My dtml-var (2.3.1) won't do it.

My bad.... 



From hofmann@isl.org  Mon May  7 08:10:08 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:10:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] DateTime() BUG!
In-Reply-To: <01d401c0d49a$fb8c9380$d0063bd0@SUXLAP>
Message-ID: <3AF66601.17872.44016FDD@localhost>

Dear Andreas,

> DateTime.lessThanEqualTo() expects a DateTime instance or a floating po=
int
> number. So you pass a wrong argument.
> But I admit the error handling should be better at this point :-)

the "enddate" I showed in the "pseudo"-code has been defined as an object=
s=20
property of type "date" - so I assumed the argument is correct - isn't it=
?

Greetings

Kai

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D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55


From alet@unice.fr  Mon May  7 08:17:17 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:17:17 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
In-Reply-To: <01f601c0d6b1$abbb2ce0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010507084315.28627A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Mon, 7 May 2001, Jason Cunliffe wrote:

> Jerome Alet" <alet@unice.fr> wrote:
> > If you're interested I've put a 0.3 online at:
> >
> > http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/
> 
> This gets better all the time :-)
> 
> I have learned so much already, just looking through your source.
> It makes a great Zope tutorial in unexpected ways. Thanks.

This was also unexpected !

> > new commands: mkver, enter, leave, save, discard (versions)
> > and the powerful but not used at its full power until
> > variables are checked in: the "call" command !
> >
> > there are also many bug fixes and the possibility to
> > call the method with a zshellscript argument containing the
> > list of commands to execute.
> 
> Can you give an example to do this please.

just do something like:

	<UNTESTED>
	  <dtml-let result="zshell(_, zshellscript=["mkdir foo/bar"])">
	    <dtml-if "result == 0">
	      All worked fine
            <dtml-else>
              An error occured
 	    </dtml-if>
	  </dtml-let>
	</UNTESTED>


When called like that, it returns only the status code of the result:
	    0 = no error
	other = errors occured

> 1. MORE SHELL-LIKE BEHAVIOR
> 
> I keep hitting return and expecting my code to happen. It's not just
> laziness.
> The RUN button breaks the familiar shell command line paradigm.
> I realise it is nice to have multiple lines, but I find it faster to type
> and keep typing, than have to jump back and forth to the mouse.
> 
> One solution:
> SHIFT + ENTER => multiline entry
> ENTER         => execute

Don't know how to do it, but this will probably need some javascript at
which my value is 0 or less. If someone can help...
NB: I want it to also work fine with Lynx.

> -----------------------------
> 2. ZSHELL DTML UI SUGGESTIONS
> At the top of the page include all the zshell commands as hyperlinks
links.
> Clicking on a command displays the docstring for the command above/below the
> text area
> and also enters the comand and dummy argument string directly into the
> Zshell shell where one may edit.

Again will probably at least partially need some javascript.


> DTML + ZSHELL
> 
> Add a new tag so that Zshell commands can be run from DTML

Interestingly we want the same things :-)
Not in my priority list, but definitively needed.

> 3. RESULTS
> Normal shell would return the results in the shell itself.
> I can see why in Zope this may not be often such a good idea. For example,
> making ls return a hypelinked table as you do is terrific idea.

The new version will support at least partially pseudo standard I/O
streams stdin, stdout, and stderr which contents will be retrievable.
This is a necessity for piping anyway. The HTML result will be another
retrievable I/O stream. I think in the future zshell will return an
instance of the class I define.

The code is in heavy lifting right now, so don't expect a new version
quick.

> 4. cd
> Seems a little inconsistent at the moment partly becuase it does not resolve
> "/"
> I have a zshell in zope root "/"

it's better with every version, but still not perfect. My toObject()
method sucks great.

> Perhaps you disagree..

not at all, but I was unable to write something decent.

> Also for any CD command which is not valid, I suggest including a 'pwd' by
> default in the first line of the Results error message:

easy.

> mkdir a/b/c/d -(p)ublic -(u)ser
> 
> possibly:
> :set public+user attributes for all new folders
> :set public+user attributes for just the last folder
> 
> Perhaps control it using a simple binary flag style. For example:
> 
> mkdir a/b/c/d -p0110 -u1110
> 
> Set 'public' b and c only
> Add 'user' folders in  a,b,c only

not very user friendly IMHO, but at least solves the problem in an elegant
way.

-p and -u will have to be the first parameters since mkdir accepts
multiple arguments.

> 6.  cp
> 
> Of course 'cp' should work across folders and also be able to paste in one
> line.

agreed

> 9. wildcards
> Some useful, obvious ones for ZopeShell wishlist whcih might be much easier
> I can think of:
> 
> *
> *meta
> *date

no because *'s semantic MUST mean: any object id which ends in meta,
date, etc...
if we want to be consistent with the shell normal behavior

> 8. wget
> 
> Very useful for all kinds of things
> Change the 'fname' code so that the default behavior is to save names under
> their original source names.
> If that id is already taken, then take action and rename.

ok, but . in ids is not a good idea in Zope/Python.

> Include an flag for Zope wget to do auto renaming [like it is now].
> syntax could perhaps be:
> 
> wget args rename_meta    # rename to append meta tag
> wget args rename_sub     # rename to append subtype
> wget args rename_xyz     # rename to apend _xyz
>                          # where _xyz are any continuous suffix string,
> "_bak" etc.

I don't like it.

> 7. adduser
> 
> This is going to be very cool but, meanwhile I am not not clear what to 'do'
> with adduser.

add many user in one line.

> At least until there is a Zshell mechanism to get and set permissions, and

will come soon.

bye, and thanks for your support.

PS: perhaps I should set up a mailing list somewhere to not waste Zope's
one bandwidth, what do you think ?

Jerome Alet



From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May  7 08:30:00 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 09:30:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] question about searching on subobjects
In-Reply-To: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDCEEHCDAA.junk@gargl.net>
Message-ID: <1385322150.989227800@BUZZER>

Hi Junk, (?)

try to get your fingers on ZCatalog. Its not so hard as it appears
at first and can do what you want here.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Montag, 7. Mai 2001 04:42 +0200 Junk <junk@gargl.net> wrote:

> hi,
>
> i have objects and subobjects (in classes) that i want to index.
>
> let's say i have this structure :
>
> folderA
> 	itemA
> 		sub
> 	itemB
> 		sub
> 	itemC
> 		sub
> 	itemD
> 		sub
>
> i want to get some propertie from "itemX" if some propertie of "sub"
> equals something.
>
> to make it more clear (propertis are enclosed in parenthesis)
>
> books
> 	bookname1 (description)
> 		review (author)
> 	bookname2 (description)
> 		review (author)
> 	bookname3 (description)
> 		review (author)
> 	bookname4 (description)
> 		review (author)
>
> i want to get the "description" of the book whose reviews's author is
> "author" ? hu... clear ?
>
> thanx,
>
> JUNK
>
>
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From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Mon May  7 09:10:53 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:10:53 +0800
Subject: [Zope] zeo database
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMIEDJDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

i'm currently using zeo server

it works fine... but when i want to pack it, it doesn't work... and what is
the file size limit of zope/zeo... is it true that it only runs below 2GB...
that when it reaches 2GB it will stop working...

please help... thanks.

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

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From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May  7 11:10:14 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:10:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope] sum up values of two variables
In-Reply-To: <989175090.3af59d3282965@marcus.localguru.de>
References: <989175090.3af59d3282965@marcus.localguru.de>
Message-ID: <13163796.989237414@BUZZER>

Hi Marcus,

sure, you can do that. (put _.str() around the numerical return
value of len() )
But I dont think this is what you want here.
This way the link would contain:

<a href="BASE5"> or something.

May be, <a href="/<dtml-var 
expr="_.string.join(hello.getPhysicalPath(),'/')">/">   .. </a>

does what you want.


HTH
Tino Wildenhain


--On Sonntag, 6. Mai 2001 20:51 +0200 Marcus Schopen 
<marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> how do one sum up the values of two variables?
>
> <dtml-let a="_.len(hello.getPhysicalPath())" b="'BASE'">
>   <dtml-var a>
>   <dtml-var b>
> </dtml-let>
>
> In other words: the result of _.len(hello.getPhysicalPath()) and the
> string  "BASE" should sum up to one variable, something like
>
> <dtml-let a="'BASE'+_.len(hello.getPhysicalPath())">
>
> Thank you
> Marcus
>
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From kedai@kedai.com.my  Mon May  7 11:31:39 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (Bak @ kedai)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:31:39 +0800
Subject: [Zope] zeo database
Message-ID: <002901c0d6e1$cde07980$625eb8ca@defaultcn>

-----Original Message-----
From: Fritz Mesedilla <fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
To: zope@zope.org <zope@zope.org>
Date: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:10 PM
Subject: [Zope] zeo database


>
>i'm currently using zeo server
>
>it works fine... but when i want to pack it, it doesn't work... and what is
>the file size limit of zope/zeo... is it true that it only runs below
2GB...
>that when it reaches 2GB it will stop working...
>

in what way does it not work?
when you pack, zss will do the processing, instead of the ZC.  checkout top
just after you pack.  also, after a few secs/minutes, you''ll see that the
database is packed.

this caught me initially too
>please help... thanks.
>
>Fritz Mesedilla
>Systems Administrator
>
>"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
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From Jan" <esolutions@gmx.net  Mon May  7 12:03:32 2001
From: Jan" <esolutions@gmx.net (Jan)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 13:03:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zope: methods and settings
Message-ID: <000901c0d6e5$7a487e40$010aa8c0@uhxk>

hello,

i hope someone can help me with two (hopefully) easy questions.

1. i would like to write a method that creates a folder and a default
dtml-document. this methods shall be started through a form. at the moment i
can use this method in order to create a folder (id is given via form) and a
default dtml-document, both in the directory from which the method is
started. how can i make settings so that the default dtml-document is
created in the new folder, or put into the folder directly after creation?

2. i list zope folders in a navigation. in order to list them in a special
order i use an attribute (index). is it possible to display the value of
this attribute for each document or folder in the management screen in
addition to id and name?

thanks a lot in advance,

jan



From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Mon May  7 12:44:36 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:44:36 +0800
Subject: [Zope] zeo database
In-Reply-To: <002901c0d6e1$cde07980$625eb8ca@defaultcn>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMEEEMDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

it tries to pack the database then nothing happens like a change in database
size...

what i do now is revert back to using the local database (yes, downtime)
pack it then restore the zeo connection...

here's what i did:
1) installed zope with threads
2) extracted zeo in /usr/local/
3) cd /usr/local/zeo
4) cp -R /usr/local/zeo/ZEO /usr/local/zope/lib/python
5) copied custom_zodb.py to /usr/local/zope
6) edited custom_zodb.py to enable zeo
7) started zeo then zope

i didn't do anything else on the other files.

please advice if i have to do anything else. i hope to achieve this:

1) 2 computers as zeo client
2) 1 computer as zeo server
3) i want zeo server to keep the database
4) i want the load to be on the two clients

thanks in advance.




Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bak @ kedai [mailto:kedai@kedai.com.my]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:32 PM
To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] zeo database



-----Original Message-----
From: Fritz Mesedilla <fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
To: zope@zope.org <zope@zope.org>
Date: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:10 PM
Subject: [Zope] zeo database


>
>i'm currently using zeo server
>
>it works fine... but when i want to pack it, it doesn't work... and what is
>the file size limit of zope/zeo... is it true that it only runs below
2GB...
>that when it reaches 2GB it will stop working...
>

in what way does it not work?
when you pack, zss will do the processing, instead of the ZC.  checkout top
just after you pack.  also, after a few secs/minutes, you''ll see that the
database is packed.

this caught me initially too
>please help... thanks.
>
>Fritz Mesedilla
>Systems Administrator
>
>"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>Summit Interactive, Inc.
>
>http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
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>
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>
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From jferrer@germinus.com  Mon May  7 14:06:00 2001
From: jferrer@germinus.com (Jorge Ferrer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:06:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Problem migrating a producto to Zope 2.3
In-Reply-To: <3AF2BE63.649D856A@kaivo.com>
References: <01050413490207.05680@escher> <3AF2BE63.649D856A@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <01050715060004.00624@escher>

El Vie 04 May 2001 16:36, Casey Duncan escribi=F3:
> Jorge Ferrer wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've developed a product for an Intranet using Zope 2.1 and I'm tryin=
g to
> > migrate to Zope 2.3. Almost everything han gone fine as I haven't use=
d
> > any advanced feature, but I have some problems with the ZClasses whic=
h
> > inherit from OFS:File.
> >
> > BTW, the product consists on a container ZClass and several other
> > ZClasses which represent different types of documents.
> >
> > Here is what I've done: I installed Zope 2.3.1 on a new machine and
> > installed my product through a distribution file placed on the produc=
ts
> > directory. When I make an instance of the Container ZClass everything
> > goes well and I can even make instances of some of the other ZClasses.
> > But everytime I try to make an instance of a ZClass which holds a fil=
e
> > (by inheriting from OFS:File) I get the following error:
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > Error Type: TypeError
> > Error Value: unsliceable object
>
> [snip]
>
> Try upgrading to 2.3.2 there was a bug in 2.3.1 with instanciating
> ZClasses that subclassed base classes that has a method for their id
> (Which OFS.File does). That looks like the problem here.

YES! That was the problem. With 2.3.2 everything seems to work fine.

THANK YOU very much Casey,

see you,
	Jorge


From yservel@glam.ac.uk  Mon May  7 14:09:25 2001
From: yservel@glam.ac.uk (servel yannick)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:09:25 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Where may I find some discussions about the pros and cons of Zope
 vs ASP vs PHP, etc...
Message-ID: <2D38CAC326B2D3119B8400805F8574F538BF27@mailex1.isd.glam.ac.uk>

I would like to compare (if it is possible to compare them) these server
side applications. 

Many thanks in advance,

Regards,


Yannick




From bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com  Mon May  7 14:48:37 2001
From: bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:48:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked checkbox?
Message-ID: <20010507154837.A11871@internatif.org>

I made many HTML forms with Zope but now, I need checkboxes. If I try:

<FORM action="handleForm">
<INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="sugar" CHECKED>Sugar?&nbsp;
<INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="milk">Milk?<BR> 
<INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="submit" VALUE="Order">
</FORM>

The Python Script handleForm cannot run if Milk is unchecked. This is
because HTML browsers only send the value of the checkbox if it is
checked. The URL sent looks like:

http://progress.netaktiv.com:9673/Tests/handleForm?sugar=on&submit=Order

(do note there is no Milk)

and the error message is:

---------
Site Error

An error was encountered while publishing this resource. 

Invalid request The parameter, milk, was omitted from the request.

Make sure to specify all required parameters, and try the request
again. 
---------

Of course, milk is in the parameters of the Python Script, but how can
I say that it is optional and should default to false? Using
"milk:boolean" as its name changes nothing.



 Zope 2.3.2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2) 




From joe@iuveno-net.de  Mon May  7 14:53:58 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:53:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how can i have my content displayed in 2 different ways ?
References: <EFEHKJHBKLGGAGPBNECDMEEHCDAA.sven.fischer@gargl.net>
Message-ID: <002301c0d6fd$2fb47740$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> bluepage/animals/lion
> redpage/animals/lion
>
> can i do that ? if yes, how ? and does it work with subfolders ?

Hi!

Ever heard about acquisition magic? ;-)

You can just have two different folders "bluepage" and "red page" that
contain the different layout. Your folder hierarchy could look like that:

ROOT
|_ bluepage
|_ redpage
|_ animals
        |_ lion
        |_ elephant

Then you can just do "redpage/animals/elephant"! The animals folder is
acquired from the root when it is called in redpage, so this works!

Joachim.



From mail@peterbe.com  Mon May  7 15:00:29 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:00:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Where may I find some discussions about the pros and cons of Zope vs ASP vs PHP, etc...
References: <2D38CAC326B2D3119B8400805F8574F538BF27@mailex1.isd.glam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <027f01c0d6fe$143838c0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

<businessmanexplaination>
Technically, ZOPE is very different to the middleware options. (technically
_better_ if you ask me).
The really cool thing about PHP and ASP is that there's load of script kids
out there to fetch for your commercial project if more resources are
necessary.

To take the Zope route is a big and long step. Whereas PHP or ASP are many
small steps. On the one hand, the big and long step is probably longer and
bigger than many small ones, but it requires long legs.
</businessmanexplaination>

<experiencedwiththemallme>
>From static HTML -> ASP = Wow!
>From ASP -> PHP/Coldfusion = Chock!
>From PHP/Coldfusion -> Zope = Heart attack!
</experiencedwiththemallme>

<dtml-var standard_mail_signature>

----- Original Message -----
From: "servel yannick" <yservel@glam.ac.uk>
To: <Zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:09 PM
Subject: [Zope] Where may I find some discussions about the pros and cons of
Zope vs ASP vs PHP, etc...


> I would like to compare (if it is possible to compare them) these server
> side applications.
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Yannick
>
>
>
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May  7 15:08:47 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 16:08:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked
 checkbox?
In-Reply-To: <20010507154837.A11871@internatif.org>
References: <20010507154837.A11871@internatif.org>
Message-ID: <10312060.989251727@BUZZER>

Hi Stephane,

one solution is to let zope handle this. Include
the following into your form:

<input type="hidden" name="sugar:default" value="no">
<input type="hidden" name="milk:default" value="no">

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Montag, 7. Mai 2001 15:48 +0200 Stephane Bortzmeyer 
<bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com> wrote:

> I made many HTML forms with Zope but now, I need checkboxes. If I try:
>
> <FORM action="handleForm">
> <INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="sugar" CHECKED>Sugar?&nbsp;
> <INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="milk">Milk?<BR>
> <INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="submit" VALUE="Order">
> </FORM>
>
> The Python Script handleForm cannot run if Milk is unchecked. This is
> because HTML browsers only send the value of the checkbox if it is
> checked. The URL sent looks like:
>
> http://progress.netaktiv.com:9673/Tests/handleForm?sugar=on&submit=Order
>
> (do note there is no Milk)
>
> and the error message is:
>
> ---------
> Site Error
>
> An error was encountered while publishing this resource.
>
> Invalid request The parameter, milk, was omitted from the request.
>
> Make sure to specify all required parameters, and try the request
> again.
> ---------
>
> Of course, milk is in the parameters of the Python Script, but how can
> I say that it is optional and should default to false? Using
> "milk:boolean" as its name changes nothing.
>
>
>
>  Zope 2.3.2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
>
>
>
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From bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com  Mon May  7 15:19:47 2001
From: bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:19:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked checkbox?
In-Reply-To: <10312060.989251727@BUZZER>; from tino@wildenhain.de on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 04:08:47PM +0200
References: <20010507154837.A11871@internatif.org> <10312060.989251727@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <20010507161947.A13214@internatif.org>

On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 04:08:47PM +0200,
 Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de> wrote 
 a message of 64 lines which said:

> one solution is to let zope handle this. Include
> the following into your form:
> 
> <input type="hidden" name="sugar:default" value="no">

It works, thanks a lot. Where is it documented? ":default" is
mentioned in Chapter 8 "Advanced Zope Scripting" of the Zope Book,
but, even now I know the trick, I cannot find it in the book.

My final solution, with conversion to boolean:

<INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="milk:boolean">Milk?<BR> 
<INPUT type="hidden" name="milk:default" value="">

and the script:

##parameters=beverage,sugar,milk,RESPONSE
##title=
##

if milk:
	milk = " with milk"
else:
	milk = ""
...
return "<P>You asked " + beverage + sugar + milk



From tpassin@mitretek.org  Mon May  7 15:22:44 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:22:44 -0400
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked checkbox?
References: <20010507154837.A11871@internatif.org>
Message-ID: <008401c0d701$2e7ac1f0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Stephane Bortzmeyer]

> <FORM action="handleForm">
> <INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="sugar" CHECKED>Sugar?&nbsp;
> <INPUT TYPE="checkbox" NAME="milk">Milk?<BR>
> <INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="submit" VALUE="Order">
> </FORM>
>
> The Python Script handleForm cannot run if Milk is unchecked. This is
> because HTML browsers only send the value of the checkbox if it is
> checked. The URL sent looks like:
>
This has been discussed in this list in the last week or two - look in the
archives.  There are several approaches:

1) Your dtml or script can check to see if that key is in the form, and act
appropriately if it is not there.
2) You can add a hidden input to the form that contains a default value for
"milk", like 'no'.  Your code checks for the presence of the value you will
get when the box is checked.

If you use method 2), name the hidden field "milk:default", then its value
will be used as the default value if the checkbox is not checked.

Cheers,

Tom P



From bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com  Mon May  7 15:31:13 2001
From: bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:31:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked checkbox?
In-Reply-To: <008401c0d701$2e7ac1f0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>; from tpassin@mitretek.org on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:22:44AM -0400
References: <20010507154837.A11871@internatif.org> <008401c0d701$2e7ac1f0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
Message-ID: <20010507163113.B13607@internatif.org>

On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:22:44AM -0400,
 Thomas B. Passin <tpassin@mitretek.org> wrote 
 a message of 36 lines which said:

> 1) Your dtml or script can check to see if that key is in the form, and act
> appropriately if it is not there.

My script cannot check because parameters are apparently tested by
Zope before the first line of the script is executed.



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May  8 20:31:07 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:31:07 -0400
Subject: [Zope] bsddb3Storage missing custom_zodb.py
Message-ID: <01050815310700.04454@localhost.localdomain>

The subject says it all really.

Has anyone got the latest (beta2) working?  If so have you got a 
custom_zodb.py I could take a look at?

Thanks in advance.

Phil



From morten@thingamy.net  Mon May  7 15:36:13 2001
From: morten@thingamy.net (Morten W. Petersen)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:36:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked checkbox?
In-Reply-To: <10312060.989251727@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105071634320.20124-100000@bcryachts.atsat.com>

On Mon, 7 May 2001, Tino Wildenhain wrote:

> Hi Stephane,
> 
> one solution is to let zope handle this. Include
> the following into your form:
> 
> <input type="hidden" name="sugar:default" value="no">
> <input type="hidden" name="milk:default" value="no">

Something like this perhaps?

	<input type="radio" name="sugar:int" value="1"> Yes
	<input type="radio" name="sugar:int" value="0" checked> No

Cheers,

Morten



From marc@bowery.com  Mon May  7 15:36:03 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:36:03 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zeo database
In-Reply-To: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMIEDJDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <B71C2B13.2C5F2%marc@bowery.com>

> the file size limit of zope/zeo... is it true that it only runs below 2GB...
> that when it reaches 2GB it will stop working...

Check out 
http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/PartitionedFileStorage

Also, if you run Linux kernel >= 2.4 there's no limit.



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May  8 20:39:39 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:39:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope] bsddb3Storage missing custom_zodb.py
In-Reply-To: <01050815310700.04454@localhost.localdomain>
References: <01050815310700.04454@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <01050815393901.04454@localhost.localdomain>

Never mind I've figured it out.

On Tuesday 08 May 2001 15:31, Phil Harris wrote:
> The subject says it all really.
>
> Has anyone got the latest (beta2) working?  If so have you got a
> custom_zodb.py I could take a look at?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Phil
>
>
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From marc@bowery.com  Mon May  7 15:43:10 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:43:10 -0400
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked
 checkbox?
In-Reply-To: <20010507161947.A13214@internatif.org>
Message-ID: <B71C2CBD.2C5F3%marc@bowery.com>

...or you could try:


parameters=beverage="",sugar=0,milk=0,RESPONSE

in your python script.





From kedai@kedai.com.my  Mon May  7 15:34:45 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (Bak @ kedai)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 22:34:45 +0800
Subject: [Zope] help! too many open files (zope-2.3.1)
Message-ID: <003101c0d702$dcd92a60$625eb8ca@defaultcn>

hi all
i've been running zope-2.3.1 for quite some time now.  everything went well.
but
the isp had a power failure today.  and after that i kept getting too many
open files, esp with access of mailhost, localfs, etc.

i've increased the file-max in /proc/sys/fs/file-max.  ulimit -a tells me
that i can only have 1024 file open.

if i restart zope, everything's ok.  but the problem will appear again

is this the problem?

setup -
zope-2.3.1
rh 6.2
zeo-0.5

thanks





From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May  7 15:54:58 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:54:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] bsddb3Storage missing custom_zodb.py
References: <01050815310700.04454@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <00b501c0d705$affdfb80$a8063bd0@kurtz>

Hi Phil... this is for the Packless storage, but it should help a little...

from Products.bsddb3Storage.Packless import Packless

m = Packless
env='var/bsddb3storage'

Storage=m(name='PacklessBerkeleyStorage', env=env)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:31 PM
Subject: [Zope] bsddb3Storage missing custom_zodb.py


> The subject says it all really.
> 
> Has anyone got the latest (beta2) working?  If so have you got a 
> custom_zodb.py I could take a look at?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
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> 



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Mon May  7 15:53:57 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:53:57 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
References: <15090.62937.46920.564769@lindm.dm>
 <3AF570BC.C72B37ED@nipltd.com> <15093.52592.578336.466582@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <3AF6B705.C47FC5AE@kaivo.com>

Dieter Maurer wrote:
> 
> Chris Withers writes:
>  > > The value of the "sort" attribute is a comma separated
>  > > sequence of field names.
>  >
>  > Is the same true for ZCatalog?
> I do not think so.
> 
>  > If not, can this be used to have the same effect on ZCatalog search results or
>  > would the benefits of the lazy results set in a batched search be lost?
> Of course, you can use "in"'s sort attribute to sort a ZCatalog
> result sequence. And surely, you need to fetch the sequence
> elements to sort them.
> 
> Dieter
> 

You can pass the sort-on or sort_on argument to a ZCatalog to do lazy
sorting at query time. You can only sort on indexes however.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Mon May  7 15:57:11 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:57:11 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Passing variable to a python script
References: <01050706471600.03747@theo.home>
Message-ID: <3AF6B7C7.B3E6C058@kaivo.com>

Mehmet Yousouf wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I'm trying out python scripts and can't get the variables posted from a form
> accross.
> I'm calling the script from a dtml method via <dtml-var python-script-name>
> but keep getting "unknown variable" as the error .. it's a simple script that
> adds two numbers together (x = first_number + second_number) and
> first_number, second_number are from the form. The show answer method can
> display both variables (<dtml-var first_number>)
> I'm using python 2 (compiled zope from source) is this the problem? if it is,
> can I run python 2 with pyton 1.52?
> 
> Regards, Mehmet
> 

If you want them to be passed implicitly, bind the namespace to "_" in
the Python script bindings tab and use _['first_number']
_['second_number'] to access them. Or, make REQUEST the sole argument of
the script (it will be passed by zope implicitly) and use
REQUEST.first_number, etc.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Mon May  7 16:01:45 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 09:01:45 -0600
Subject: [Zope] images
References: <001901c0d694$5c0c7cc0$0a01a8c0@joecopeland.net>
Message-ID: <3AF6B8D9.1940ACD@kaivo.com>

Joe Copeland wrote:
> 
> How can I place an images in an "/images" folder so that they can be
> acquired by my entire site.
> 
> I've placed my images in a directory called  "/images"  but I can't use the
> <dtml-var image.gif> tag to access the image unless I'm in the /images
> directory or beneth it.
> 
> Is there a way I can set the source directory of all image objects so that
> whenever I call upon an image by the image name Zope can find it?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe
> 

Use a transparent folder:

http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/TransparentFolders

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From khine@btinternet.com  Mon May  7 16:16:09 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:16:09 +0100
Subject: [Zope] bsddb3Storage missing custom_zodb.py
In-Reply-To: <01050815393901.04454@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEHFCCAA.khine@btinternet.com>

What did you do?

Thanks

Norman

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Phil
Harris
Sent: 08 May 2001 20:40
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] bsddb3Storage missing custom_zodb.py


Never mind I've figured it out.

On Tuesday 08 May 2001 15:31, Phil Harris wrote:
> The subject says it all really.
>
> Has anyone got the latest (beta2) working?  If so have you got a
> custom_zodb.py I could take a look at?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Phil
>
>
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From barry@digicool.com  Mon May  7 16:14:58 2001
From: barry@digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:14:58 -0400
Subject: [ZODB-Dev] Re: [Zope] bsddb3Storage missing custom_zodb.py
References: <01050815310700.04454@localhost.localdomain>
 <00b501c0d705$affdfb80$a8063bd0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <15094.48114.673875.761575@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "CM" == Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com> writes:

    CM> Hi Phil... this is for the Packless storage, but it should
    CM> help a little...

    CM> from Products.bsddb3Storage.Packless import Packless

    | m = Packless
    | env='var/bsddb3storage'

    CM> Storage=m(name='PacklessBerkeleyStorage', env=env)

    | ----- Original Message ----- 
    | From: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
    | To: <zope@zope.org>
    | Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:31 PM
    | Subject: [Zope] bsddb3Storage missing custom_zodb.py

    >> The subject says it all really.  Has anyone got the latest
    >> (beta2) working?  If so have you got a custom_zodb.py I could
    >> take a look at?  Thanks in advance.  Phil

There is a sample custom_zodb.py in the docs/ directory of the beta2
distribution.

-Barry


From alet@unice.fr  Mon May  7 16:16:56 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:16:56 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.4 devel
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010507171200.32018C-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi,

for those of you who might be interested I've put a 0.4 developpment
version of ZShell 0.4 online at:

http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

This is largely untested however, and is only for people who want to Zope
(!) on the bleeding edge.

It features a better look, some bug fixes, and a separation of the 
pseudo I/O channels stdin, stdout and stderr from the HTML output itself.
It doesn't feature any new interesting command compared to 0.3 however,
nor it does any security assertion, yet !

Please report any bug or comment to me, thanks in advance.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr



From nika@kassube.de  Mon May  7 16:25:50 2001
From: nika@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:25:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope] manage_upload;manage_delete
In-Reply-To: <15092.17896.604833.211231@lindm.dm>; from dieter@handshake.de on Sat, May 05, 2001 at 08:26:48PM +0200
References: <856650480@toto.iv> <15092.17896.604833.211231@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <20010507172550.D20485@kursk.kassube.de>

* Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de> [2001-05-05 20:26]:

>  > there a method called manage_delete that delete file objects,?
> Take a look at your embedded Zope help system:
> 
>      Zope Help -> API reference -> Image
>                                    ObjectManager

In my Zope 2.3.2 installation's online help there's no information on
how to delete objects, plus there's nothing in the Zope Book's API
reference. However, if you look in the source code, you'll quickly
discover manage_delObjects(). I'm a bit surprised that something as
basic as deleting an object is not described in the documentation a
newbie is most likely to use first. (Interestingly it's used in an
example in the Zope Book, but not mentioned in the API reference.) 

Or should I visit an optometrist because it's in the manual but
I can't see it? :-) 

Cheers,
Nils


From nika@kassube.de  Mon May  7 16:51:20 2001
From: nika@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:51:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
In-Reply-To: <15090.62937.46920.564769@lindm.dm>; from dieter@handshake.de on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 08:32:57PM +0200
References: <278511686@toto.iv> <15090.62937.46920.564769@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <20010507175120.E20485@kursk.kassube.de>

* Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de> [2001-05-04 20:32]:
 
> With "sort" your sort specification is constant.
> You can say, sort first according to "time" then to "id".
> But you cannot say, sort according to the field name currently
> held in variable "sort_by". This is necessary for such
> nice "sort" features found wide spread: click on a column
> head and the content is sorted with respect to this column...
> You would use "sort_expr=sort_by" for this.
  
Well, you _can_ do this only using the "sort" attribute. I think a lot
of folks do it the hard way, not the smart way you described, because
of page 74 in the Zope Book's PDF file (Chapter 5, the File Library
example).  

Cheers,
Nils


From kedai@kedai.com.my  Mon May  7 16:43:46 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (Bak @ kedai)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 23:43:46 +0800
Subject: [Zope] zeo database
Message-ID: <008b01c0d70c$850a5480$625eb8ca@defaultcn>

-----Original Message-----
From: Fritz Mesedilla <fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
To: Bak @ kedai <kedai@kedai.com.my>; zope@zope.org <zope@zope.org>
Date: Monday, May 07, 2001 7:40 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope] zeo database


>it tries to pack the database then nothing happens like a change in
database
>size...
>
>what i do now is revert back to using the local database (yes, downtime)
>pack it then restore the zeo connection...
>
>here's what i did:
>1) installed zope with threads
>2) extracted zeo in /usr/local/
>3) cd /usr/local/zeo
>4) cp -R /usr/local/zeo/ZEO /usr/local/zope/lib/python
>5) copied custom_zodb.py to /usr/local/zope
>6) edited custom_zodb.py to enable zeo
>7) started zeo then zope
>
>i didn't do anything else on the other files.
>

looks about right.  if you're able to see both ZEO clients, then it works.

now, after packing, try do a
top
and see whether the ZSS is doing somethin.   wait a while.  see whether
Data.fs is packed.


>please advice if i have to do anything else. i hope to achieve this:
>
>1) 2 computers as zeo client
>2) 1 computer as zeo server
>3) i want zeo server to keep the database
>4) i want the load to be on the two clients
>
>thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
>Fritz Mesedilla
>Systems Administrator
>
>"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
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>
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>
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-
>+Basta Ikaw Lord
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bak @ kedai [mailto:kedai@kedai.com.my]
>Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:32 PM
>To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph; zope@zope.org
>Subject: Re: [Zope] zeo database
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fritz Mesedilla <fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
>To: zope@zope.org <zope@zope.org>
>Date: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:10 PM
>Subject: [Zope] zeo database
>
>
>>
>>i'm currently using zeo server
>>
>>it works fine... but when i want to pack it, it doesn't work... and what
is
>>the file size limit of zope/zeo... is it true that it only runs below
>2GB...
>>that when it reaches 2GB it will stop working...
>>
>
>in what way does it not work?
>when you pack, zss will do the processing, instead of the ZC.  checkout top
>just after you pack.  also, after a few secs/minutes, you''ll see that the
>database is packed.
>
>this caught me initially too
>>please help... thanks.
>>
>>Fritz Mesedilla
>>Systems Administrator
>>
>>"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>-
>>Summit Interactive, Inc.
>>
>>http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
>>http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
>>
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>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>-
>>email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
>>http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>-
>>+Basta Ikaw Lord
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From mail@peterbe.com  Mon May  7 16:38:29 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:38:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] index_html a script, not a template
Message-ID: <031901c0d70f$85854980$1c64a8c0@PBN>

[1st: Sorry for crossposting, but now it actually makes sense]

Under the topic: "Relying on scripts" in Jim Fultons IPC9 presentation on
Presentation Templates
http://www.zope.org/Members/jim/Info/IPC9/PresentationTemplates/index.htm


"Maybe scripts, rather than templates will commonly be URL target."
-- from
http://www.zope.org/Members/jim/Info/IPC9/PresentationTemplates/text20.htm


Until the last couple of days I'have always made DTML Methods or DTML
Documents for everything that users type into the addressbar like
"index_html" or "about".
I.e. I start with a template and most likely end up in a template.
It shouldn't be like that, should it, always. Because some of my templates
might look like this:
<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-if "iscooluser_externalpy_orscript()">
   <dtml-with foo><dtml-var showthat></dtml-with>
<dtml-else>
   <dtml-with bar><dtml-var showthis></dtml-with>
</dtml-if>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>

Recently my sites are filled with sometimes three times as many python
scripts as DTML objects. And Jerome Alets Zshell really opened my eyes for
loosing templates.

Am I alone on using templating objects for URL-hitting objects? What are the
implications (performance, scalability in terms of feature changes, etc.) of
using Python Scripts or External Method instead of templates?
Is there a paradigm shift with these promising Page Templates (see quote
above)?
Advice from people with zen?!?!


Trying to see as long as possible, Peter



From cpgray@library.uwaterloo.ca  Mon May  7 17:06:34 2001
From: cpgray@library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:06:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Backing up ZODB
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0105071202580.13909-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca>

Are there any gotchas in backing up a _live_ instance of Zope by archiving
Data.fs?  Will caching, ZEO, or something else make this hazardous or
unreliable?  Is there a way to dump ZODB instead of just copying the
Data.fs file?

Thanks,
Chris




From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Mon May  7 17:11:48 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:11:48 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Backing up ZODB
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0105071202580.13909-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105072010570.16646-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Mon, 7 May 2001, Chris Gray wrote:
> Are there any gotchas in backing up a _live_ instance of Zope by archiving
> Data.fs?  Will caching, ZEO, or something else make this hazardous or
> unreliable?  Is there a way to dump ZODB instead of just copying the
> Data.fs file?

   I think it is possible just manage_exportObject:
http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/remote-backup/

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From cpgray@library.uwaterloo.ca  Mon May  7 17:26:23 2001
From: cpgray@library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:26:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Backing up ZODB
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105072010570.16646-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0105071223490.21404-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca>

Thanks, Oleg,

These scripts back up a single Zope object.  If you back up the root
folder this way, do you get the whole ZODB?

Chris


On Mon, 7 May 2001, Oleg Broytmann wrote:

> On Mon, 7 May 2001, Chris Gray wrote:
> > Are there any gotchas in backing up a _live_ instance of Zope by archiving
> > Data.fs?  Will caching, ZEO, or something else make this hazardous or
> > unreliable?  Is there a way to dump ZODB instead of just copying the
> > Data.fs file?
> 
>    I think it is possible just manage_exportObject:
> http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/remote-backup/
> 
> Oleg.
> ----
>      Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
>            Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
> 
> 
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From Sven.Syld@stat.ee  Mon May  7 16:27:52 2001
From: Sven.Syld@stat.ee (Sven Syld)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:27:52 +0300
Subject: [Zope] Authentication for outside users
Message-ID: <saf6e949.087@mailgate.statsise>

Hello,

How could I do so that only users from a certain IP address will need to =
authenticate - outsiders? Others - insiders - will not.

If I disable anonymous access and make new role with two users - outsider =
and insider. But authentication window will pop up for both of them even =
if I leave password blank. Can I automatically authenticate in DTML?

Also redirecting into login screen in standard_html_header pops into my =
mind. But it is ugly. And unsecure.


Sven



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Mon May  7 17:31:23 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:31:23 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Backing up ZODB
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0105071223490.21404-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105072029470.16646-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Mon, 7 May 2001, Chris Gray wrote:
> These scripts back up a single Zope object.  If you back up the root
> folder this way, do you get the whole ZODB?

   Yes, but I heard that root of ZODB is a specail beast and people have
problems importing root back into ZODB. Cannot confirm this - I really back
up single object.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Mon May  7 17:32:26 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:32:26 +0100
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] zshell: The Zope Shell
In-Reply-To: <E14vQ8s-0000JW-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHCEKECAAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Has there been any work on a rich-gui editor and one that is more integrated
with a HTML/XML/XHTML editor outside of just using WEBDAV with Dreamweaver
or something. Something where its almost like your in the same IDE to do
everything - build objects in Zope, edit web content, build html files
etc.???

David Kovach
dave@kovach.com

Jon >> Has anyone else played with Boa Constructor -
http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/ ? It's open-source, written in
Python, and already has some built-in Zope-specific editing facilities (it's
a Python IDE and wxPython builder). Also does some basic HTML editing
functions. Seems like it has a lot of potential, specially if more Zopistas
contributed their ideas? Maybe it could be combined with some of the XML-RPC
editing ideas (such as http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2000/01/xmlrpc/index.html )?

Just a newbie's two-pennorth! :-)

Cheers, Jon



From dave@kovach.com  Mon May  7 17:41:52 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 7 May 2001 09:41:52 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Where may I find some discussions about the pros and
 cons of Zope  vs ASP vs PHP, etc...
Message-ID: <20010507164152.20048.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Hi -

I havent found a concise comparision between the 3... and I dont think there will be anything. At least nothing that trys to equate out php, asp, coldfusion and zope. Maybe the first 3. But, zope is a breed all its own.

I come from an ASP background - and Zope marvels me nearly every day. Like yesterday, I exported and imported 1 object (which was my whole site - or an object that contained all other site objects) to a remote web-host server. And, in one fell swoop my site went from my dev. box to my production box just like that! 

The brilliance of an oodb running behind your applications just purely separates zope from anything else. But, because its capabilities are to place presentation, application and data logic into 1 tier - while maintaining the FLEXIBILITY of keeping your presentation logic separate from app. logic etc.... it gets pretty deep pretty quick. 

ASP is a fine solution. But, Zope allows you to make yourself feel smart again - when you accomplish something like listing out a "recordset" into a table and it doesnt require you to write mountains of mundane "I already wrote that like 52,000 times" code to do so. You feel smarter cause for once - doing things take less time and you dont have to feel like a slave to ASP. I fact that its oo based and extendable beyond belief with python... its silly! But, for private projects where I am the sole person making decisions ZOPE is great. But, shifting an ASP shop with 15 coders working on something to ZOPE doesnt seem likely today.
Cause Zope isnt as easy as writing a bunch of RESPONSE.WRITE's - but, ZOPE wont leave you with smelly stinky embedded vbscript everywhere either.

By all means, write me if you got specific questions.


Sincerely,

David Kovach
dave@kovach.com


On Mon, 07 May 2001, servel yannick wrote:

> 
> I would like to compare (if it is possible to compare them) these server
> side applications. 
> 
> Many thanks in advance,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Yannick
> 
> 
> 
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From renfro@tntech.edu  Mon May  7 18:57:42 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:57:42 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Authentication for outside users
In-Reply-To: <saf6e949.087@mailgate.statsise>; from Sven.Syld@stat.ee on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 06:27:52PM +0300
References: <saf6e949.087@mailgate.statsise>
Message-ID: <20010507125742.A3407@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 06:27:52PM +0300, Sven Syld wrote:

> How could I do so that only users from a certain IP address will
> need to authenticate - outsiders? Others - insiders - will not.

Make an anonymous user with no password, and domain set to the IP
block you want to consider "inside". See
http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/Security.dtml -- particularly
the parts right after Figure 6-1.

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From arno.gross@consotec.de  Mon May  7 19:59:27 2001
From: arno.gross@consotec.de (Arno Gross)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:59:27 -0100
Subject: [Zope] Comparision between Zope and other application server
In-Reply-To: <20010507164152.20048.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
References: <20010507164152.20048.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <01050718063002.20483@force>

Is there any comparision between Zope and other application server like
BEA WebLogic, Enhydra, ... ?
Best regards
   Arno 


From augusto@artlover.com  Mon May  7 19:03:32 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:03:32 -0500
Subject: [Zope] How to add dtml-docs to Favorites links folder within CMF?ed?
Message-ID: <3AF6E374.E8B44D1@artlover.com>

This is a question I've previously posted at Zope-CMF, and haven't had an
answer until this moment.

I'm transfering previous dtml documents and directories to CMF, and I want to
enable them to be stored at the "Favorites" folders of the users.
Loging and logouts seem the work this way (by modifying header&footer skins),
but the addtofavorites feature don't. 

Is there a workaround? Is it possible to turn all those previous documents into
CMF-savvy, while keeping all the standard dtml docs and methods features like
direct editing? 


Thanks in advance,


Ausum


From erik@pacific-shores.com  Mon May  7 19:10:35 2001
From: erik@pacific-shores.com (Erik Myllymaki)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:10:35 -0700
Subject: [Zope] is ZEO the answer?
Message-ID: <000901c0d721$03600190$0b01a8c0@erm>

I would like to publish my Zope site internally (Intranet) via HTTP AND
externally via HTTPS (Internet). Should I be looking at ZEO or another
option? Using on HTTPS server for both would be the easiest, but the
intranet use is pretty heavy and I don't want to incure the overhead of SSL
on what doesn't need to be encrypted.

Thanks in advance,


Erik Myllymaki
erik@pacific-shores.com




From michel@digicool.com  Mon May  7 19:16:12 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:16:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
In-Reply-To: <001101c0d573$eed3ff00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105071110440.31531-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 5 May 2001, Jason Cunliffe wrote:

> From: "Jerome Alet" <alet@unice.fr>
> > I've just seen the same message, so I've browsed the files with cvsweb,
> > and now I better understand Michel's concerns: it seems as External
> methods
> > run completely unrestricted by default, which I ignored until I read this
> > document.
> 
> ..and what of Scripts (Python) Do they inherit Zope permissions model.?

Yes.  This comes at the cost of a small performance hit compared to
external methods.

My concern with ZShell is that as soon as your execution crosses the
boundary between Zope and an external method, all security checks stop.  
So yes, Zope will restrict 'Bob' from running the ZShell external method
if he doesn't not have the 'Use External Methods' permission, but if he
*does* have the right permission, then no other permissions matter,
because ZShell circumvents them.

> Security should be addressed.

Absolutely!

> I suppose one could extend 'Exernal Methods' to create a 'External Zshell
> Methods'

This won't help, as I said, as soon as a user has that one permission,
they circumvent all of them.

> But Jerome please don't let this slow you down writing Zshell functions now.
> Let's just agree that Zshell is a really powerful Essential Zope tool. An
> important concept which definitely needs developing. And it assumes greater
> responsibility than the default TTW interface, and wears a large sysadmin
> warning label!

Oh yes, don't take my warning as a discouragement, please continue.  I
just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of the security issues.

> I have been using ZJavatelnetSSH Product quite often recently for sheer
> convenvince of remote Zope sysadmin.
> http://dev.zope.org/Members/dshaw/ZJavaTelnetSSH

Yeah, that's a really cool product that shows off some pretty amazing
Java/ZClass integration.

-Michel



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May  9 00:29:07 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 19:29:07 -0400
Subject: [Zope] bsddb3Storage missing custom_zodb.py
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEHFCCAA.khine@btinternet.com>
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOMEHFCCAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <01050819290700.01586@localhost.localdomain>

Norman,

I created the aforementioned custom_zodb.py with these contents:

from bsddb3Storage import full
ConcreteStorage=Full.Full
Storage=ConcreteStorage('zbsddb')

The zbsddb is a folder within INSTANCE_HOME (normally your ZopeDir).

The files that bsddb3Storage needs are then created in there the next time 
Zope starts.

hth

Phil
phil.harris@zope.co.uk


On Monday 07 May 2001 11:16, Norman Khine wrote:
> What did you do?
>
> Thanks
>
> Norman


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May  9 00:31:33 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 19:31:33 -0400
Subject: [ZODB-Dev] Re: [Zope] bsddb3Storage missing custom_zodb.py
In-Reply-To: <15094.48114.673875.761575@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <01050815310700.04454@localhost.localdomain> <00b501c0d705$affdfb80$a8063bd0@kurtz> <15094.48114.673875.761575@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <01050819313301.01586@localhost.localdomain>

On Monday 07 May 2001 11:14, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> >>>>> "CM" == Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com> writes:

<snipped a bit>


> There is a sample custom_zodb.py in the docs/ directory of the beta2
> distribution.

Not in the distribution I downloaded today.  This is the contents of the docs 
dir:

total 52
drwxrwxr-x    2 889      889          4096 May  8 19:31 ./
drwxrwxr-x    5 889      889          4096 May  8 15:06 ../
-rw-rw-r--    1 889      889          7461 Mar 29 19:17 FullImplementation.txt
-rw-rw-r--    1 889      889           533 Nov  9  2000 
MinimalImplementation.txt
-rw-rw-r--    1 889      889           809 Nov  9  2000 
MinimalReplicatedImplementation.txt
-rw-rw-r--    1 889      889          1582 Dec 11 17:07 
PacklessImplementation.txt
-rw-rw-r--    1 889      889         12876 Mar 27 16:26 PacklessReadme.txt
-rw-rw-r--    1 889      889          2944 Nov  9  2000 
TransactionStrategy.txt
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root            0 May  8 19:31 a
-rw-rw-r--    1 889      889          2010 Nov  9  2000 notes

Not one .py file amongst them.

Thanks anyway,

Phil


>
> -Barry


From barry@digicool.com  Mon May  7 19:42:54 2001
From: barry@digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:42:54 -0400
Subject: [ZODB-Dev] Re: [Zope] bsddb3Storage missing custom_zodb.py
References: <01050815310700.04454@localhost.localdomain>
 <00b501c0d705$affdfb80$a8063bd0@kurtz>
 <15094.48114.673875.761575@anthem.wooz.org>
 <01050819313301.01586@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <15094.60590.620484.44944@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "PH" == Phil Harris <phil.harris@zope.co.uk> writes:

    >> There is a sample custom_zodb.py in the docs/ directory of the
    >> beta2 distribution.

    PH> Not in the distribution I downloaded today.  This is the
    PH> contents of the docs dir:

Darn, you're right.  There was a typo in the MANIFEST file which
caused it to be omitted.  I append it below, and I've also uploaded a
revised tarball that includes the file.

-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
# Uncomment the line corresponding to the storage you want to use
# This syntax requires Python 2.x
#
#from bsddb3Storage.Packless import Packless as ConcreteStorage
#from bsddb3Storage.Minimal  import Minimal  as ConcreteStorage
from bsddb3Storage.Full     import Full     as ConcreteStorage

import os
env = os.path.join('var', 'bsddb3Storage')

Storage = ConcreteStorage(name='BerkeleyStorage', env=env)


From dieter@handshake.de  Mon May  7 19:07:34 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:07:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] question about searching on subobjects
In-Reply-To: <44409489@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15094.58470.198176.23202@lindm.dm>

Junk writes:
 > ... searching on subobjects ...
Implement a parameterless Python script that does the subobject magic.

Place it high in the Zope hierarchy, such that it is
available by acquisition where it is needed.

Use it as an index in your ZCatalog.

More info: the Zope book or

  URL:http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope/book/chap3.html


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Mon May  7 18:24:15 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:24:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] DateTime() BUG!
In-Reply-To: <385831297@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15094.55871.785308.575045@lindm.dm>

Kai Hofmann writes:
 > the "enddate" I showed in the "pseudo"-code has been defined as an object=
 > s=20
 > property of type "date" - so I assumed the argument is correct - isn't it=
 > ?
But then the result *IS* correct, too!

If you have, as is you example:

   enddate=<todays date without time>
then
   DateTime().lessThanOrEqual(enddate)

must return "false" most of the day.

As the name suggests: "DateTime" is date *AND* time.
"lessThanOrEqual" must take both components into account.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Mon May  7 19:10:20 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:10:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] zope: methods and settings
In-Reply-To: <711342716@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15094.58636.884013.314298@lindm.dm>

Jan writes:
 > 1. i would like to write a method that creates a folder and a default
 > dtml-document. this methods shall be started through a form. at the moment i
 > can use this method in order to create a folder (id is given via form) and a
 > default dtml-document, both in the directory from which the method is
 > started. how can i make settings so that the default dtml-document is
 > created in the new folder, or put into the folder directly after creation?
 <dtml-call "manage_addFolder(id,....)">
 <dtml-with id>
   <dtml-call "manage_addDTMLDocument(....)">
   ....
 </dtml-with>

 > 2. i list zope folders in a navigation. in order to list them in a special
 > order i use an attribute (index). is it possible to display the value of
 > this attribute for each document or folder in the management screen in
 > addition to id and name?
You need to change the DTML source...



Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Mon May  7 19:04:30 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:04:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] question about multiple search criteria
In-Reply-To: <141706122@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15094.58286.820729.841094@lindm.dm>

Junk writes:
 > i have this database wich i want to sort by multiple criteria (12 criteria)
 > so i would have to search a zcatalog with those and i heard that quite a lot
 > of people don't trust the zcatalog and it just doesn't seem to be *right*.
 > 
 > is it cleaner to do it in some sort of relational database and make sql
 > queries on it ?
A relational database gives you SQL.

  For atomic field values, SQL is much more powerful than
  the current ZCQI (Zope Catalog Query Interface).
  You can combine queries over different tables, combine
  subqueries with and/or/not almost arbitrary, have
  lots of functions to be used for the query results
  or in the where clause.

However, many relational databases do not support efficient
text searches. Then, I would look for ZCatalog (if I do not
get too many objects (10.000 to 100.000), or for a database
system with text query support.



Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Mon May  7 18:58:15 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:58:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] broken root security tab
In-Reply-To: <357038442@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15094.57911.172263.543793@lindm.dm>

Dave Ahn writes:
 > This is what I get:
 > ....
 > Error Type: TypeError
 > Error Value: string member test needs char left operand
 > 
 > Traceback (innermost last):
 >   ....
 >   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/AccessControl/Role.py, line 177, in &lt;lambda&gt;
 > TypeError: (see above)
 > 
 > The relevant lines from Role.py appear to be:
 >             d={'name': name,
 >                'acquire': type(roles) is ListType and 'CHECKED' or '',
 >                'roles': map(
 >                    lambda ir, roles=roles, valid=valid, ip=ip:
 >                    {
 >                        'name': "p%dr%d" % (ip,ir),
 >                        'checked': (valid[ir] in roles) and 'CHECKED' or '',
 >                        },
 >                    indexes)
The "roles" variable holds a string.

Someone else currently has similar problems (--> mailing list archives).
He found out, that delete all Z Instances from a folder removed
the problem.

See my answer to his problem report on how I would try to
analyse the problem.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Mon May  7 19:16:00 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:16:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] help! too many open files (zope-2.3.1)
In-Reply-To: <1043692551@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15094.58976.481013.538895@lindm.dm>

Bak @ kedai writes:
 > i've been running zope-2.3.1 for quite some time now.  everything went well.
 > but
 > the isp had a power failure today.  and after that i kept getting too many
 > open files, esp with access of mailhost, localfs, etc.
 > 
 > i've increased the file-max in /proc/sys/fs/file-max.  ulimit -a tells me
 > that i can only have 1024 file open.
 > 
 > if i restart zope, everything's ok.  but the problem will appear again
 > 
 > is this the problem?
Apparently, something leaks file descriptors.
You must find the leak:

  "lsof" seems to be a magic wand to analyse file descriptor
  problems. I did not use it myself, as it requires
  root privileges.
  But maybe, it can help you.

I (without "lsof") would use "netstat" to determine
whether sockets are leaked or files.
For sockets, it is possible to determine the peers
and get a feeling, what use makes problems.
For files, I would use "fuser" (the weaker brother of
"lsof") to find out which files are unexpectedly open
or open by two many processes.
As soon as the file is located, it would probably be clear,
where to find the problem.


Dieter


From kyroraz@usa.net  Mon May  7 19:54:15 2001
From: kyroraz@usa.net (Jason Joy)
Date: 7 May 2001 11:54:15 MST
Subject: [Zope] Re: Product Creation and Permission]
Message-ID: <20010507185415.19017.qmail@wwcst270.netaddress.usa.net>

> > Which I think is directly related to what I am experiencing with gett=
ing
the
> > manage_main.
> > =

> > Jason
> > =

> =

> Very interesting. Can you post the revised Python code of your product?=


Sure, I will put up what I current have, but I have also thought about th=
is
over the weekend and came up with some ideas on how to perhaps make this =
work,
although I do not know how practical it will be, so, please let me know i=
f
this is possible or not:

In A, in _getOb (currently encapuslated with ## Right here ##), I have be=
en
tinkering on how it has been working.  I tried to return the instance of =
A
instead of creating another B, and it works fine.  I have a hunch there i=
s
elements in A when Zope creates the object that just is not passed onto B=
 that
contains information about the Zope session that it would like to have.

Only problem is if you do a B =3D A, it is a reference.  B and A at this =
point
would have the same memory location and would not be useful.  Also, since=
 B
has some differences to A, structurally, it won't help out there evil.  I=

think the way to fix this is to copy properties from A and B, but I am no=
t
sure which ones are there nor what properties exist on A (other than
A.REQUEST).  How can one copy objects such that B =3D self?  Even this I =
am not
sure because object B has to be created by what is defined in class B... =
 Any
thoughts?

Jason


## Code Is Here ##
A:

import Globals
from Globals import Persistent, Acquisition
import AccessControl
import OFS
from B import *
from pg import DB
from AccessControl import ClassSecurityInfo
from Acquisition import Implicit

__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1

class objectChunk(Implicit):
security =3D ClassSecurityInfo()
security.declareObjectPublic()
security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
security.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1

def SQLquery(query):
db =3D "zope"
server =3D "192.168.1.1"
port =3D 5432
sqluser =3D "zope"
sqlpassword =3D "********"

data =3D []

if query[0:6] =3D=3D "SELECT":
for output in
DB(db,server,port,'',sqluser,sqlpassword).query(query).dictresult():
result =3D objectChunk()
masterkeys =3D output.keys()
for key in masterkeys:
f =3D setattr(result, key, output[key])
data.append(result)
else:
SQLOUTPUT =3D DB(db,server,port,'',sqluser,sqlpassword).query(query)

return (data)


def manage_addA(self,id,name,description,REQUEST=3DNone):
obja =3D A(id,name,description)
self._setObject(id, obja)
if REQUEST is not None:
return self.manage_main(self, REQUEST)

manage_addAForm =3D Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/add_obja', globals())


class A(
OFS.ObjectManager.ObjectManager,
OFS.PropertyManager.PropertyManager,
Acquisition.Implicit,
Persistent,
AccessControl.Role.RoleManager,
OFS.SimpleItem.Item,
):

a=3D()
manage_options=3D(
{'label':'Properties', 'action':'manage_main'},
{'label':'View', 'action':''},
) + OFS.SimpleItem.SimpleItem.manage_options

meta_type =3D 'Product'

index_html =3D Globals.HTMLFile("dtml/obja", globals())
#manage_main =3D Globals.HTMLFile("dtml/edit_obja", globals())

def __init__(self, id, name,description):

self.id =3D id
self.name =3D name
self.desc =3D description


def objectItems(self):

objQUERY =3D "SELECT * FROM B WHERE dgid =3D '" + self.id + "'"

QUERYRESULT =3D []
QUERYRESULT =3D SQLquery(objQUERY) =

a =3D []
for objects in QUERYRESULT:
tp =3D
B(objects.id,objects.dgid,objects.obj_name,objects.obj_desc,objects.obj_c=
reator,
objects.obj_created,objects.obj_moddate)
tpwrapper =3D [objects.id,tp]
a.append(tpwrapper)
return a =



def manage_beforeDelete(self,item,container):
QUERYSTRING =3D "DELETE FROM B WHERE dgid =3D '" + item.id + "'"
queryresult =3D SQLquery(QUERYSTRING)


## Right here ##
def _getOb(self,id,dp=3D2):
__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1
nextobject =3D
B(self.id,id,"name","desc","creater","createrdate","moddate") =

return nextobject
## Right here

def _delObjects(self,id):
"This deletes the objects specified" =

print "In the _delObjects" =


def _delOb(self,id):
"This deletes the objects specified" =

SQLQUERY =3D "DELETE FROM B WHERE id =3D '" + id + "'"
INQUIRE =3D SQLquery(SQLQUERY)

Globals.default__class_init__(A)
Globals.default__class_init__(B)
Globals.InitializeClass(objectChunk)




B:

import Globals
from Globals import Persistent, Acquisition
import AccessControl
import OFS
from pg import DB
from AccessControl import ClassSecurityInfo
from Acquisition import Implicit
__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1

class objectChunk(Implicit):
security =3D ClassSecurityInfo()
security.declareObjectPublic()
security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
security.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1

def SQLquery(query):
## change these when you change servers
db =3D "zope"
server =3D "192.168.1.1"
port =3D 5432
sqluser =3D "zope"
sqlpassword =3D "********"

data =3D []

if query[0:6] =3D=3D "SELECT":
for output in
DB(db,server,port,'',sqluser,sqlpassword).query(query).dictresult():
result =3D objectChunk()
masterkeys =3D output.keys()
for key in masterkeys:
f =3D setattr(result, key, output[key])
data.append(result)
else:
SQLOUTPUT =3D DB(db,server,port,'',sqluser,sqlpassword).query(query)
return (data)

def
manage_addB(self,dg_id,id,name,desc,creater,createrdate,moddate,REQUEST=3D=
None):
The argument 'self' will be bound to the parent Folder.
QUERYSTRING =3D "INSERT INTO C
(id,dgid,obj_name,obj_desc,obj_creator,obj_created,obj_moddate) VALUES
('"+id+"','"+dg_id+"','"+name+"','"+desc+"','"+creater+"','"+createrdate+=
"','"+m
oddate+"')"
print QUERYSTRING
SQLRETURN =3D SQLquery(QUERYSTRING)
if REQUEST is not None:
return self.manage_main(self, REQUEST)

manage_addTopicForm =3D Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/add_obj', globals())

class B(
OFS.ObjectManager.ObjectManager,
OFS.PropertyManager.PropertyManager, =

Acquisition.Implicit,
Persistent,
AccessControl.Role.RoleManager,
OFS.SimpleItem.Item,
):

a=3D()

manage_options=3D(
{'label':'Properties', 'action':'manage_main'},
{'label':'View', 'action':''},
) + OFS.SimpleItem.SimpleItem.manage_options


meta_type =3D 'Product 2'


index_html =3D Globals.HTMLFile("dtml/obj", globals())
manage_main =3D Globals.HTMLFile("dtml/edit_obj", globals())

def __init__(self,dg_id,id,name,desc,creater,createrdate,moddate):
self.dg_id =3D dg_id =

self.id =3D id
self.name =3D name
self.desc =3D desc
self.creater =3D creater
self.createdate =3D createrdate
self.moddate =3D moddate
__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1
manage_workspace__roles__=3D('Manager','Anonymous',)


def objectItems(self):


objQUERY =3D "SELECT * FROM B WHERE dgid =3D '" + self.id + "'"

QUERYRESULT =3D []
QUERYRESULT =3D SQLquery(objQUERY)
a =3D []
for objects in QUERYRESULT:
tp =3D
B(objects.id,objects.dgid,objects.obj_name,objects.obj_desc,objects.obj_c=
reator,
objects.obj_created,objects.obj_moddate)
tpwrapper =3D [objects.id,tp]
a.append(tpwrapper)
return a


Globals.InitializeClass(objectChunk)


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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Mon May  7 20:15:18 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:15:18 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Re: Product Creation and Permission]
References: <20010507185415.19017.qmail@wwcst270.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <3AF6F446.8B48C939@kaivo.com>

Jason Joy wrote:
> 
> > > Which I think is directly related to what I am experiencing with getting
> the
> > > manage_main.
> > >
> > > Jason
> > >
> >
> > Very interesting. Can you post the revised Python code of your product?
> 
> Sure, I will put up what I current have, but I have also thought about this
> over the weekend and came up with some ideas on how to perhaps make this work,
> although I do not know how practical it will be, so, please let me know if
> this is possible or not:
> 
> In A, in _getOb (currently encapuslated with ## Right here ##), I have been
> tinkering on how it has been working.  I tried to return the instance of A
> instead of creating another B, and it works fine.  I have a hunch there is
> elements in A when Zope creates the object that just is not passed onto B that
> contains information about the Zope session that it would like to have.
> 
> Only problem is if you do a B = A, it is a reference.  B and A at this point
> would have the same memory location and would not be useful.  Also, since B
> has some differences to A, structurally, it won't help out there evil.  I
> think the way to fix this is to copy properties from A and B, but I am not
> sure which ones are there nor what properties exist on A (other than
> A.REQUEST).  How can one copy objects such that B = self?  Even this I am not
> sure because object B has to be created by what is defined in class B...  Any
> thoughts?


This should be easily solvable using acquisition. I think B is not an
acquisition wrapper of A looking at your code. Perhaps try:

## Right here ##
def _getOb(self,id,dp=2):
    nextobject =
B(self.id,id,"name","desc","creater","createrdate","moddate")
    return nextobject.__of__(self)
## Right here

The __of__() method of acquistion makes one object wrap another. Zope
expects subordinate objects to acquire their parents.


> 
> Jason
> 
> ## Code Is Here ##
> A:
> 
> import Globals
> from Globals import Persistent, Acquisition
> import AccessControl
> import OFS
> from B import *
> from pg import DB
> from AccessControl import ClassSecurityInfo
> from Acquisition import Implicit
> 
> __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1
> 
> class objectChunk(Implicit):
> security = ClassSecurityInfo()
> security.declareObjectPublic()
> security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
> security.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1
> 
> def SQLquery(query):
> db = "zope"
> server = "192.168.1.1"
> port = 5432
> sqluser = "zope"
> sqlpassword = "********"
> 
> data = []
> 
> if query[0:6] == "SELECT":
> for output in
> DB(db,server,port,'',sqluser,sqlpassword).query(query).dictresult():
> result = objectChunk()
> masterkeys = output.keys()
> for key in masterkeys:
> f = setattr(result, key, output[key])
> data.append(result)
> else:
> SQLOUTPUT = DB(db,server,port,'',sqluser,sqlpassword).query(query)
> 
> return (data)
> 
> def manage_addA(self,id,name,description,REQUEST=None):
> obja = A(id,name,description)
> self._setObject(id, obja)
> if REQUEST is not None:
> return self.manage_main(self, REQUEST)
> 
> manage_addAForm = Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/add_obja', globals())
> 
> class A(
> OFS.ObjectManager.ObjectManager,
> OFS.PropertyManager.PropertyManager,
> Acquisition.Implicit,
> Persistent,
> AccessControl.Role.RoleManager,
> OFS.SimpleItem.Item,
> ):
> 
> a=()
> manage_options=(
> {'label':'Properties', 'action':'manage_main'},
> {'label':'View', 'action':''},
> ) + OFS.SimpleItem.SimpleItem.manage_options
> 
> meta_type = 'Product'
> 
> index_html = Globals.HTMLFile("dtml/obja", globals())
> #manage_main = Globals.HTMLFile("dtml/edit_obja", globals())
> 
> def __init__(self, id, name,description):
> 
> self.id = id
> self.name = name
> self.desc = description
> 
> def objectItems(self):
> 
> objQUERY = "SELECT * FROM B WHERE dgid = '" + self.id + "'"
> 
> QUERYRESULT = []
> QUERYRESULT = SQLquery(objQUERY)
> a = []
> for objects in QUERYRESULT:
> tp =
> B(objects.id,objects.dgid,objects.obj_name,objects.obj_desc,objects.obj_creator,
> objects.obj_created,objects.obj_moddate)
> tpwrapper = [objects.id,tp]
> a.append(tpwrapper)
> return a
> 
> def manage_beforeDelete(self,item,container):
> QUERYSTRING = "DELETE FROM B WHERE dgid = '" + item.id + "'"
> queryresult = SQLquery(QUERYSTRING)
> 
> ## Right here ##
> def _getOb(self,id,dp=2):
> __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1
> nextobject =
> B(self.id,id,"name","desc","creater","createrdate","moddate")
> return nextobject
> ## Right here
> 
> def _delObjects(self,id):
> "This deletes the objects specified"
> print "In the _delObjects"
> 
> def _delOb(self,id):
> "This deletes the objects specified"
> SQLQUERY = "DELETE FROM B WHERE id = '" + id + "'"
> INQUIRE = SQLquery(SQLQUERY)
> 
> Globals.default__class_init__(A)
> Globals.default__class_init__(B)
> Globals.InitializeClass(objectChunk)
> 
> B:
> 
> import Globals
> from Globals import Persistent, Acquisition
> import AccessControl
> import OFS
> from pg import DB
> from AccessControl import ClassSecurityInfo
> from Acquisition import Implicit
> __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1
> 
> class objectChunk(Implicit):
> security = ClassSecurityInfo()
> security.declareObjectPublic()
> security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
> security.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1
> 
> def SQLquery(query):
> ## change these when you change servers
> db = "zope"
> server = "192.168.1.1"
> port = 5432
> sqluser = "zope"
> sqlpassword = "********"
> 
> data = []
> 
> if query[0:6] == "SELECT":
> for output in
> DB(db,server,port,'',sqluser,sqlpassword).query(query).dictresult():
> result = objectChunk()
> masterkeys = output.keys()
> for key in masterkeys:
> f = setattr(result, key, output[key])
> data.append(result)
> else:
> SQLOUTPUT = DB(db,server,port,'',sqluser,sqlpassword).query(query)
> return (data)
> 
> def
> manage_addB(self,dg_id,id,name,desc,creater,createrdate,moddate,REQUEST=None):
> The argument 'self' will be bound to the parent Folder.
> QUERYSTRING = "INSERT INTO C
> (id,dgid,obj_name,obj_desc,obj_creator,obj_created,obj_moddate) VALUES
> ('"+id+"','"+dg_id+"','"+name+"','"+desc+"','"+creater+"','"+createrdate+"','"+m
> oddate+"')"
> print QUERYSTRING
> SQLRETURN = SQLquery(QUERYSTRING)
> if REQUEST is not None:
> return self.manage_main(self, REQUEST)
> 
> manage_addTopicForm = Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/add_obj', globals())
> 
> class B(
> OFS.ObjectManager.ObjectManager,
> OFS.PropertyManager.PropertyManager,
> Acquisition.Implicit,
> Persistent,
> AccessControl.Role.RoleManager,
> OFS.SimpleItem.Item,
> ):
> 
> a=()
> 
> manage_options=(
> {'label':'Properties', 'action':'manage_main'},
> {'label':'View', 'action':''},
> ) + OFS.SimpleItem.SimpleItem.manage_options
> 
> meta_type = 'Product 2'
> 
> index_html = Globals.HTMLFile("dtml/obj", globals())
> manage_main = Globals.HTMLFile("dtml/edit_obj", globals())
> 
> def __init__(self,dg_id,id,name,desc,creater,createrdate,moddate):
> self.dg_id = dg_id
> self.id = id
> self.name = name
> self.desc = desc
> self.creater = creater
> self.createdate = createrdate
> self.moddate = moddate
> __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1
> manage_workspace__roles__=('Manager','Anonymous',)
> 
> def objectItems(self):
> 
> objQUERY = "SELECT * FROM B WHERE dgid = '" + self.id + "'"
> 
> QUERYRESULT = []
> QUERYRESULT = SQLquery(objQUERY)
> a = []
> for objects in QUERYRESULT:
> tp =
> B(objects.id,objects.dgid,objects.obj_name,objects.obj_desc,objects.obj_creator,
> objects.obj_created,objects.obj_moddate)
> tpwrapper = [objects.id,tp]
> a.append(tpwrapper)
> return a
> 
> Globals.InitializeClass(objectChunk)
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________
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-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From simon@joyful.com  Mon May  7 20:22:53 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 07 May 2001 12:22:53 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010507084315.28627A-100000@cortex.unice.fr> (Jerome Alet's message of "Mon, 7 May 2001 09:17:17 +0200 (MET DST)")
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010507084315.28627A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <87r8y1arqq.fsf@joyful.com>

Jerome Alet <alet@unice.fr> writes:
> PS: perhaps I should set up a mailing list somewhere to not waste Zope's
> one bandwidth, what do you think ?

NO!

my ornery 2c for today. :) 

Using [zshell] in the subject is another option.

And on that subject.. Mailing List Admin - I hereby request that
[Zope], [Zope-dev] etc. be dropped from all subjects as they aren't
useful.

Best regards
-Simon


From bill@libc.org  Mon May  7 20:46:46 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 07 May 2001 13:46:46 -0600
Subject: [Zope] is ZEO the answer?
In-Reply-To: <000901c0d721$03600190$0b01a8c0@erm>
References: <000901c0d721$03600190$0b01a8c0@erm>
Message-ID: <989264806.17788.1.camel@locutus>

On 07 May 2001 11:10:35 -0700, Erik Myllymaki wrote:
> I would like to publish my Zope site internally (Intranet) via HTTP AND
> externally via HTTPS (Internet). Should I be looking at ZEO or another
> option? Using on HTTPS server for both would be the easiest, but the
> intranet use is pretty heavy and I don't want to incure the overhead of SSL
> on what doesn't need to be encrypted.
> 
> Thanks in advance,

In theory, yes. Looking at www.zope.org, there is clearly a means by
which you can find out what Zeo Client you are connecting to.

Thus, in theory, you could set up an access rule that checked to see if
you were connecting to the external-zeo-client, and if so do rewrites to
use https via the means that have been listed here and on the
www.zope.org website.

... then again, this is theory....

Theoretically-ly-y'rs Bill




From andym@ActiveState.com  Mon May  7 21:06:51 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 13:06:51 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010507084315.28627A-100000@cortex.unice.fr> <87r8y1arqq.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <022101c0d731$41272e30$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> And on that subject.. Mailing List Admin - I hereby request that
> [Zope], [Zope-dev] etc. be dropped from all subjects as they aren't
> useful.

No!

my ornery 2c for today ( if we all get a free one :)  )

These are useful to many people to parse through the lists.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Michael" <simon@joyful.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2


> Jerome Alet <alet@unice.fr> writes:
> > PS: perhaps I should set up a mailing list somewhere to not waste Zope's
> > one bandwidth, what do you think ?
>
> NO!
>
> my ornery 2c for today. :)
>
> Using [zshell] in the subject is another option.
>
> And on that subject.. Mailing List Admin - I hereby request that
> [Zope], [Zope-dev] etc. be dropped from all subjects as they aren't
> useful.
>
> Best regards
> -Simon
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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>



From eric@walstads.net  Mon May  7 21:12:33 2001
From: eric@walstads.net (Eric Walstad)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:12:33 -0700
Subject: [Zope] RE: Mailing List Admin Feature Request  (was [ANN] ZShell 0.2)
In-Reply-To: <87r8y1arqq.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIHDFELHAEMHJHFIEGECBCKAA.eric@walstads.net>

I disagree, Simon.
I find the [Zope], [Zope-dev] etc. strings in the subject line very useful.
I use them in code that sorts my incoming mail messages into specific
folders.  Yes, I'm being selfish and lazy so that I don't have to rewrite my
sorting code.  :)
Eric.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Simon
> Michael
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:23 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
<snip...>
> And on that subject.. Mailing List Admin - I hereby request that
> [Zope], [Zope-dev] etc. be dropped from all subjects as they aren't
> useful.
>
> Best regards
> -Simon



From renfro@tntech.edu  Mon May  7 21:19:37 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:19:37 -0500
Subject: [Zope] RE: Mailing List Admin Feature Request  (was [ANN] ZShell 0.2)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIHDFELHAEMHJHFIEGECBCKAA.eric@walstads.net>; from eric@walstads.net on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 01:12:33PM -0700
References: <87r8y1arqq.fsf@joyful.com> <NEBBIHDFELHAEMHJHFIEGECBCKAA.eric@walstads.net>
Message-ID: <20010507151937.A4702@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 01:12:33PM -0700, Eric Walstad wrote:

> I use them in code that sorts my incoming mail messages into
> specific folders.  Yes, I'm being selfish and lazy so that I don't
> have to rewrite my sorting code.  :)

Personally, I'd just as soon drop the [Zope] prefix on all the list
messages. The only reason I use them at all is to identify when some
yahoo sticks the mailing list address in a Bcc: or something similar
(ending up in my main inbox), which accounts for <1% of all the Zope
mail I get.

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From nika@kassube.de  Mon May  7 14:56:05 2001
From: nika@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:56:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Sorting mod.time with dtml-in?
In-Reply-To: <15090.62937.46920.564769@lindm.dm>; from dieter@handshake.de on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 08:32:57PM +0200
References: <278511686@toto.iv> <15090.62937.46920.564769@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <20010507155605.C20485@kursk.kassube.de>

* Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de> [2001-05-04 20:32]:
 
> With "sort" your sort specification is constant.
> You can say, sort first according to "time" then to "id".
> But you cannot say, sort according to the field name currently
> held in variable "sort_by". This is necessary for such
> nice "sort" features found wide spread: click on a column
> head and the content is sorted with respect to this column...
> You would use "sort_expr=sort_by" for this.

Well, you _can_ do this only using the "sort" attribute. I think a lot
of folks do it the hard way, not the smart way you described, because of
page 74 in the Zope Book's PDF file (Chapter 5, the File Library
example).

Cheers,
Nils


From bz@bwanazulia.com  Mon May  7 23:37:42 2001
From: bz@bwanazulia.com (BZ)
Date: 7 May 2001 22:37:42 -0000
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog searching on null field
Message-ID: <20010507223742.24960.qmail@server1.mahnke.net>

I want to search through a ZCatalog and only return things that have an empty field.

>From everything I have read, this should work

<dtml-in "searchResults(field_name='')" size="5" start=query_start>
  ....
</dtml-in>

but it does not...

Anyone?

BZ


From erik@pacific-shores.com  Mon May  7 21:30:32 2001
From: erik@pacific-shores.com (Erik Myllymaki)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 13:30:32 -0700
Subject: [Zope] is ZEO the answer?
Message-ID: <005e01c0d734$90876f00$0b01a8c0@erm>

I would like to publish my Zope site internally (Intranet) via HTTP AND
externally via HTTPS (Internet). Should I be looking at ZEO or another
option? Using on HTTPS server for both would be the easiest, but the
intranet use is pretty heavy and I don't want to incure the overhead of SSL
on what doesn't need to be encrypted.

Thanks in advance,


Erik Myllymaki
erik@pacific-shores.com





From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May  7 21:44:26 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:44:26 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog searching on null field
References: <20010507223742.24960.qmail@server1.mahnke.net>
Message-ID: <018001c0d736$81ce2330$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Hi BZ,

Assuming field_name is a field index, try:

<dtml-in "searchResults(field_name=[''])" size="5" start=query_start>
...
</dtml-in>

For the ugly reasons why this is necessary, see the docstring of the
_apply_index method of the UnIndex class within
lib/python/SearchIndex/UnIndex.py .


----- Original Message -----
From: "BZ" <bz@bwanazulia.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:37 PM
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog searching on null field


> I want to search through a ZCatalog and only return things that have an
empty field.
>
> >From everything I have read, this should work
>
> <dtml-in "searchResults(field_name='')" size="5" start=query_start>
>   ....
> </dtml-in>
>
> but it does not...
>
> Anyone?
>
> BZ
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From simon@joyful.com  Mon May  7 21:38:31 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 07 May 2001 13:38:31 -0700
Subject: [Zope] RE: Mailing List Admin Feature Request  (was [ANN] ZShell 0.2)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIHDFELHAEMHJHFIEGECBCKAA.eric@walstads.net> (Eric Walstad's message of "Mon, 07 May 2001 13:12:33 -0700")
References: <NEBBIHDFELHAEMHJHFIEGECBCKAA.eric@walstads.net>
Message-ID: <87n18oc2t4.fsf@joyful.com>

Ha!

*Surely* all today's email clients and custom scripts can sort based
on the address. 

Those that can't, I would say are a very small number, and if someone
must be inconvenienced, should it not be them as opposed to the vast
majority who see a superfluous header on every single message, which
obscures real information and obstructs the useful [subtopic]
convention ?

I'm right. Go on. Isn't it my turn to be right today ? :)

-Simon


From astlj@hotmail.com  Mon May  7 21:40:37 2001
From: astlj@hotmail.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:40:37 -0800
Subject: [Zope] Where may I find some discussions about the pros and cons of Zope vs ASP vs PHP, etc...
Message-ID: <F11TaGmvSVMum03yMJi00003d91@hotmail.com>

><experiencedwiththemallme>
>From static HTML -> ASP = Wow!
>From ASP -> PHP/Coldfusion = Chock!
>From PHP/Coldfusion -> Zope = Heart attack!
></experiencedwiththemallme>

This is exactly the way I progressed:
HTML to ASP
ASP to ColdFusion
Coldfusion to Zope

And I am experiencing a heart attack, along with a stroke. And just this 
morning, I found a patch of grey hairs. I hope it gets better, I've only 
been in this Zope experience for 2 1/2 weeks now.

Tommy
_________________________________________________________________
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From bz@bwanazulia.com  Tue May  8 00:00:06 2001
From: bz@bwanazulia.com (BZ)
Date: 7 May 2001 23:00:06 -0000
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog searching on null field
In-Reply-To: <>
References: <>
Message-ID: <20010507230006.8027.qmail@server1.mahnke.net>

Hey Chris,

You are a life saver (like many times before). It works like a charm.

Thanks,
BZ

On Mon, 7 May 2001 16:44:26 -0400, "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com> wrote :

> Hi BZ,
> 
> Assuming field_name is a field index, try:
> 
> <dtml-in "searchResults(field_name=[''])" size="5" start=query_start>
> ...
> </dtml-in>
> 
> For the ugly reasons why this is necessary, see the docstring of the
> _apply_index method of the UnIndex class within
> lib/python/SearchIndex/UnIndex.py .
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BZ" <bz@bwanazulia.com>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:37 PM
> Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog searching on null field
> 
> 
> > I want to search through a ZCatalog and only return things that have an
> empty field.
> >
> > >From everything I have read, this should work
> >
> > <dtml-in "searchResults(field_name='')" size="5" start=query_start>
> >   ....
> > </dtml-in>
> >
> > but it does not...
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> > BZ
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Mon May  7 22:18:36 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:18:36 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Beautiful Project using a beautiful system
Message-ID: <001101c0d73b$479d3020$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

http://www.rosettaproject.org:8080/live





From erik@pacific-shores.com  Mon May  7 22:14:11 2001
From: erik@pacific-shores.com (Erik Myllymaki)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:14:11 -0700
Subject: [Zope] loginmanager in root folder?
Message-ID: <00a201c0d73a$a9770b00$0b01a8c0@erm>

I am useing loginmanager0-8-8b1 with zope2.3.2 on win32.

I upgraded zpatterns to0-4-3b2 as well.

I have it working well with a MS SQLServer database but can't seem to figure
out how to install it in the root folder.

I get stuck in a catch-22 - I can't login as root(superuser/emergency user)
to do the task because after I delete the /zoperoot/acl_users folder and try
and paste the loginmanager folder, I get the "superuser cannot own" error
message. When I login as another user with Manager and Owner roles to do the
same task, immediately upon deleting the /zoperoot/acl_users folder, before
I get a chance to paste the loginmanager folder I get promted to login again
and can't (except as superuser).

Any advice appreciated,

Erik Myllymaki
erik@pacific-shores.com



From andym@ActiveState.com  Mon May  7 22:38:37 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:38:37 -0700
Subject: [Zope] loginmanager in root folder?
References: <00a201c0d73a$a9770b00$0b01a8c0@erm>
Message-ID: <003101c0d73e$12f6eb10$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

It sounds glib, but dont replace the root folders acl_users. I did and
regretted it when I found myself locked out of the database. Put it in a sub
folder and you will never lock yourself out again...

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Myllymaki" <erik@pacific-shores.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: [Zope] loginmanager in root folder?


> I am useing loginmanager0-8-8b1 with zope2.3.2 on win32.
>
> I upgraded zpatterns to0-4-3b2 as well.
>
> I have it working well with a MS SQLServer database but can't seem to
figure
> out how to install it in the root folder.
>
> I get stuck in a catch-22 - I can't login as root(superuser/emergency
user)
> to do the task because after I delete the /zoperoot/acl_users folder and
try
> and paste the loginmanager folder, I get the "superuser cannot own" error
> message. When I login as another user with Manager and Owner roles to do
the
> same task, immediately upon deleting the /zoperoot/acl_users folder,
before
> I get a chance to paste the loginmanager folder I get promted to login
again
> and can't (except as superuser).
>
> Any advice appreciated,
>
> Erik Myllymaki
> erik@pacific-shores.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From michel@digicool.com  Mon May  7 23:03:13 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.2
In-Reply-To: <87r8y1arqq.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105071502130.31531-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On 7 May 2001, Simon Michael wrote:

> Jerome Alet <alet@unice.fr> writes:
> > PS: perhaps I should set up a mailing list somewhere to not waste Zope's
> > one bandwidth, what do you think ?
> 
> NO!
> 
> my ornery 2c for today. :) 
> 
> Using [zshell] in the subject is another option.
> 
> And on that subject.. Mailing List Admin - I hereby request that
> [Zope], [Zope-dev] etc. be dropped from all subjects as they aren't
> useful.

We had this debate about ten years ago (internet time).  The result of
that debate is obvious.  Let's let dead dogs lie.

-Michel



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May  8 23:19:36 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 23:19:36 +0100
Subject: [Zope] loginmanager in root folder?
In-Reply-To: <00a201c0d73a$a9770b00$0b01a8c0@erm>
References: <00a201c0d73a$a9770b00$0b01a8c0@erm>
Message-ID: <01050823193600.02383@localhost.localdomain>

The way I do it is this:

1.	create the loginmanager in a folder and set it up and check it, then check 
it again
2.	check it again
3.	once it works, select it and export it
3a.	move the exported file to the import folder on the filesystem
4.	delete the root acl_users
5.	select the import button in the root (you will be asked to login again, as 
the superuser)
6.	enter the name you gave the file in step 3
7.	make sure you tell Zope to keep the current ownership of the imported 
gubbins

All should now be well, as the superuser doesn't own the acl_users,

eat violas

hth

Phil

On Monday 07 May 2001 22:14, Erik Myllymaki wrote:
> I am useing loginmanager0-8-8b1 with zope2.3.2 on win32.
>
> I upgraded zpatterns to0-4-3b2 as well.
>
> I have it working well with a MS SQLServer database but can't seem to
> figure out how to install it in the root folder.
>
> I get stuck in a catch-22 - I can't login as root(superuser/emergency user)
> to do the task because after I delete the /zoperoot/acl_users folder and
> try and paste the loginmanager folder, I get the "superuser cannot own"
> error message. When I login as another user with Manager and Owner roles to
> do the same task, immediately upon deleting the /zoperoot/acl_users folder,
> before I get a chance to paste the loginmanager folder I get promted to
> login again and can't (except as superuser).
>
> Any advice appreciated,
>
> Erik Myllymaki
> erik@pacific-shores.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From dave@kovach.com  Mon May  7 23:25:11 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 7 May 2001 15:25:11 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Where may I find some discussions about the pros and
 cons of Zope vs ASP vs PHP, etc...
Message-ID: <20010507222511.7317.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

I found this in my travels today - though it doesnt spotlight Zope in particular it does compare:

Perl, PHP, Python, Tcl, and Java servlets

its at devworks:
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/script-survey/index.html


DK



On Mon, 07 May 2001, "Tommy Johnson" wrote:

> 
> ><experiencedwiththemallme>
> >From static HTML -> ASP = Wow!
> >From ASP -> PHP/Coldfusion = Chock!
> >From PHP/Coldfusion -> Zope = Heart attack!
> ></experiencedwiththemallme>
> 
> This is exactly the way I progressed:
> HTML to ASP
> ASP to ColdFusion
> Coldfusion to Zope
> 
> And I am experiencing a heart attack, along with a stroke. And just this 
> morning, I found a patch of grey hairs. I hope it gets better, I've only 
> been in this Zope experience for 2 1/2 weeks now.
> 
> Tommy
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


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From erik@pacific-shores.com  Mon May  7 23:30:00 2001
From: erik@pacific-shores.com (Erik Myllymaki)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:30:00 -0700
Subject: [Zope] loginmanager in root folder?
References: <00a201c0d73a$a9770b00$0b01a8c0@erm> <01050823193600.02383@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <00c701c0d745$40abf3a0$0b01a8c0@erm>

Thanks. This works like a charm.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
To: "Erik Myllymaki" <erik@pacific-shores.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] loginmanager in root folder?


> The way I do it is this:
>
> 1. create the loginmanager in a folder and set it up and check it, then
check
> it again
> 2. check it again
> 3. once it works, select it and export it
> 3a. move the exported file to the import folder on the filesystem
> 4. delete the root acl_users
> 5. select the import button in the root (you will be asked to login again,
as
> the superuser)
> 6. enter the name you gave the file in step 3
> 7. make sure you tell Zope to keep the current ownership of the imported
> gubbins
>
> All should now be well, as the superuser doesn't own the acl_users,
>
> eat violas
>
> hth
>
> Phil
>
> On Monday 07 May 2001 22:14, Erik Myllymaki wrote:
> > I am useing loginmanager0-8-8b1 with zope2.3.2 on win32.
> >
> > I upgraded zpatterns to0-4-3b2 as well.
> >
> > I have it working well with a MS SQLServer database but can't seem to
> > figure out how to install it in the root folder.
> >
> > I get stuck in a catch-22 - I can't login as root(superuser/emergency
user)
> > to do the task because after I delete the /zoperoot/acl_users folder and
> > try and paste the loginmanager folder, I get the "superuser cannot own"
> > error message. When I login as another user with Manager and Owner roles
to
> > do the same task, immediately upon deleting the /zoperoot/acl_users
folder,
> > before I get a chance to paste the loginmanager folder I get promted to
> > login again and can't (except as superuser).
> >
> > Any advice appreciated,
> >
> > Erik Myllymaki
> > erik@pacific-shores.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>
>



From slinkp23@yahoo.com  Mon May  7 23:34:31 2001
From: slinkp23@yahoo.com (Paul Winkler)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:34:31 -0400
Subject: [Zope] External method default arg weirdness
Message-ID: <3AF722F7.143529F9@yahoo.com>

This is with Zope 2.2.2.
If I give a default argument to the external method, and call it
from a dtml method, the default gets used even if I pass the
argument.

Example: Try creating two external methods and calling them like
this from standard_html_footer.

<dtml-var "my_ext_method1(_['id'])">
<dtml-var "my_ext_method2(_['id'])">


Here are the two external method definitions:

def my_ext_method1(id):
	return "<br>%s" % id

def my_ext_method2(id="oops"):
	return "<br>%s" % id



Anybody else get this? Why does it do that?

-- 
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From alet@unice.fr  Mon May  7 23:40:40 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 00:40:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [zshell] ANN: 0.5 with wildcard expansion
Message-ID: <20010508004040.B1199@nordine.ateur>

Hi,

I'm pleased to announce you the zshell 0.5 downloadable
from http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

it features: 

	* The long awaited wildcards expansion ala Unix shell (all commands)
	* Many bugfixes
	* Improved UI
	* The shutdown and zhelp commands:
		shutdown stops Zope
		zhelp searchs Zope's internal help

It's the most stable version out there, go get it !

Thanks to Michel@DC, security checks will probably be included in
the next version. So if you're "wet chickens" then wait for it, else
point your browser to the url above, download and install it in / on your
prod servers ;-) (this is a joke, please don't do it ! yet...)

bye, and thanks to all for your support !

Jerome Alet




From andym@ActiveState.com  Mon May  7 23:47:58 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:47:58 -0700
Subject: [Zope] loginmanager in root folder?
References: <00a201c0d73a$a9770b00$0b01a8c0@erm> <01050823193600.02383@localhost.localdomain> <00c701c0d745$40abf3a0$0b01a8c0@erm>
Message-ID: <007c01c0d747$c360ba40$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

I would still voice extreme caution. One day when your SQL Server goes
offline and you need to change something in Zope...
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Myllymaki" <erik@pacific-shores.com>
To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] loginmanager in root folder?


> Thanks. This works like a charm.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
> To: "Erik Myllymaki" <erik@pacific-shores.com>; <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] loginmanager in root folder?
>
>
> > The way I do it is this:
> >
> > 1. create the loginmanager in a folder and set it up and check it, then
> check
> > it again
> > 2. check it again
> > 3. once it works, select it and export it
> > 3a. move the exported file to the import folder on the filesystem
> > 4. delete the root acl_users
> > 5. select the import button in the root (you will be asked to login
again,
> as
> > the superuser)
> > 6. enter the name you gave the file in step 3
> > 7. make sure you tell Zope to keep the current ownership of the imported
> > gubbins
> >
> > All should now be well, as the superuser doesn't own the acl_users,
> >
> > eat violas
> >
> > hth
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > On Monday 07 May 2001 22:14, Erik Myllymaki wrote:
> > > I am useing loginmanager0-8-8b1 with zope2.3.2 on win32.
> > >
> > > I upgraded zpatterns to0-4-3b2 as well.
> > >
> > > I have it working well with a MS SQLServer database but can't seem to
> > > figure out how to install it in the root folder.
> > >
> > > I get stuck in a catch-22 - I can't login as root(superuser/emergency
> user)
> > > to do the task because after I delete the /zoperoot/acl_users folder
and
> > > try and paste the loginmanager folder, I get the "superuser cannot
own"
> > > error message. When I login as another user with Manager and Owner
roles
> to
> > > do the same task, immediately upon deleting the /zoperoot/acl_users
> folder,
> > > before I get a chance to paste the loginmanager folder I get promted
to
> > > login again and can't (except as superuser).
> > >
> > > Any advice appreciated,
> > >
> > > Erik Myllymaki
> > > erik@pacific-shores.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > > (Related lists -
> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May  8 23:52:16 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 23:52:16 +0100
Subject: [Zope] loginmanager in root folder?
In-Reply-To: <007c01c0d747$c360ba40$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
References: <00a201c0d73a$a9770b00$0b01a8c0@erm> <00c701c0d745$40abf3a0$0b01a8c0@erm> <007c01c0d747$c360ba40$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <01050823521601.02383@localhost.localdomain>

Seconded, to a degree.

If it's just a case of changing things (not adding them) the superuser can do 
that.

Myself, I tend to have a folder as the site root, with Apache proxypass in 
front.

Then create a normal Manager user in the root so you can still get in when 
(not if) your Database/LDAP/etc server goes down.

Phil

On Monday 07 May 2001 23:47, Andy McKay wrote:
> I would still voice extreme caution. One day when your SQL Server goes
> offline and you need to change something in Zope...
> --
>   Andy McKay.


From joe@LADWP.net  Tue May  8 00:50:29 2001
From: joe@LADWP.net (Joe Copeland)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:50:29 -0700
Subject: [Zope] images
References: <001901c0d694$5c0c7cc0$0a01a8c0@joecopeland.net> <3AF6B8D9.1940ACD@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <010801c0d750$7f3af660$0a01a8c0@joecopeland.net>

Whooa!

The transparent folders product is wonderful!  It really helps to be able to
perform acquisitions in the revers direction, down the file tree.  I can now
clean up all the clutter that is in my root folder.

Thanks,

-- Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey Duncan" <cduncan@kaivo.com>
To: "Joe Copeland" <joe@ladwp.net>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] images


> Joe Copeland wrote:
> >
> > How can I place an images in an "/images" folder so that they can be
> > acquired by my entire site.
> >
> > I've placed my images in a directory called  "/images"  but I can't use
the
> > <dtml-var image.gif> tag to access the image unless I'm in the /images
> > directory or beneth it.
> >
> > Is there a way I can set the source directory of all image objects so
that
> > whenever I call upon an image by the image name Zope can find it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joe
> >
>
> Use a transparent folder:
>
> http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/TransparentFolders
>
> --
> | Casey Duncan
> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
> `------------------>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May  8 00:48:10 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 00:48:10 +0100
Subject: [Zope] [Announce] Squishdot 1.1.0 Released
Message-ID: <3AF7343A.D187EB7@nipltd.com>

Squishdot 1.1.0 is now available from 
http://www.squishdot.org/Download

The following major changes were made:

   - Search results calculation has been re-implemented and should be much 
     more efficient now.

   - HTML parsing now done using the Strip-o-Gram library.

   - Properties are now deletable letting you share a set of properties 
     between several Squishdot Sites.

   - Squishdot now uses the new Zope 2.3.2 BTrees

There many other small changes and improvements. For details, see:
http://squishdot.org/Documentation/Changes

** This release requires Zope 2.3.2 or later! **

If you run into problems, remember Squishdot has a mailing list at eGroups and a
bug collector on SourceForge.

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May  8 01:08:07 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:08:07 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Strip-o-Gram HTML Conversion Library Released
Message-ID: <3AF738E7.D64D4B56@nipltd.com>

This little library was part of Squishdot.

However, it's is useful in its own right, so I thought I'd release it
seperately.

It provides two methods:

 html2safehtml -- This strips out unsafe tags, JavaScript and the like based 
                  on a set of valid tags that you provide.

 html2text -- This converts html to text, some might even call it structured 
              text ;-)

To find out more, go to http://www.zope.org/Members/chrisw/StripOGram.

Patches and bug reports are always welcome!

cheers,

Chris


From evan@digicool.com  Tue May  8 04:07:22 2001
From: evan@digicool.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 23:07:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZPT] index_html a script, not a template
References: <031901c0d70f$85854980$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <00df01c0d76c$0078f220$01000001@yosemite>

From: "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com>
> I.e. I start with a template and most likely end up in a template.
>
> Am I alone on using templating objects for URL-hitting objects?

Not at all.  Both patterns have their place, and making code objects primary
is a relatively new idiom.

> What are the
> implications (performance, scalability in terms of feature changes, etc.)
of
> using Python Scripts or External Method instead of templates?

Not "instead of", but rather "in control of".  The idea is that once you
have more than a little code in your template, you might benefit from
factoring it out into a setup Script that does a bunch of logic and then
passes a set of variables to the template.

> Is there a paradigm shift with these promising Page Templates (see quote
> above)?

I think that it has more to do with the rise of Python Scripts, although
part of the Page Template philosophy is to avoid embedding non-presentation
logic.

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool




From ivaldes@hal-pc.org  Tue May  8 05:35:34 2001
From: ivaldes@hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 23:35:34 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Re: [squishdot] [Announce] Squishdot 1.1.0 Released
References: <3AF7343A.D187EB7@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3AF77795.F1872F58@hal-pc.org>

--------------1558F3E40F95D939412B2827
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Chris Withers wrote:

>    - Squishdot now uses the new Zope 2.3.2 BTrees
>
> ...
> ** This release requires Zope 2.3.2 or later! **
>

So does this mean CMF-based Squish is ever so much closer? -- IV

--
Ignacio Valdes, Editor: Linux Medical News
http://www.linuxmednews.com
'Revolutionizing Medical Education and Practice'



--------------1558F3E40F95D939412B2827
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Chris Withers wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;&nbsp; - Squishdot now uses the new Zope 2.3.2
BTrees
<p>...
<br>** This release requires Zope 2.3.2 or later! **
<br>&nbsp;</blockquote>

<pre>So does this mean CMF-based Squish is ever so much closer? -- IV</pre>

<pre>--
Ignacio Valdes, Editor: Linux Medical News
<A HREF="http://www.linuxmednews.com">http://www.linuxmednews.com</A>
'Revolutionizing Medical Education and Practice'</pre>
&nbsp;</html>

--------------1558F3E40F95D939412B2827--



From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Tue May  8 07:15:34 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:15:34 +0800
Subject: [Zope] zeo database
In-Reply-To: <B71C2B13.2C5F2%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMGEHMDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

thank you for your help folks!


Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

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From hofmann@isl.org  Tue May  8 07:16:15 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 08:16:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope] DateTime() BUG!
In-Reply-To: <15094.55871.785308.575045@lindm.dm>
References: <385831297@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <3AF7AAED.16741.3D409A0@localhost>

> Kai Hofmann writes:
>  > the "enddate" I showed in the "pseudo"-code has been defined as an object=
>  > s=20
>  > property of type "date" - so I assumed the argument is correct - isn't it=
>  > ?
> But then the result *IS* correct, too!
> 
> If you have, as is you example:
> 
>    enddate=<todays date without time>
> then
>    DateTime().lessThanOrEqual(enddate)
> 
> must return "false" most of the day.
> 
> As the name suggests: "DateTime" is date *AND* time.
> "lessThanOrEqual" must take both components into account.

>From my point this is not correct, because of the following points:

1) within the enddate there is no time defined - so it is NOT possible to 
compare the time - following your argument - the result should be a TYPE 
ERROR, because its not possible to compare a date/time pair with a date

2) A date only describes a whole day - so comparing it with a date/time pair 
should always result in a compare of the dates only - because the time is 
out of interest here (its always within the date range).

3) If you want to ignore point 1) and 2) then you MUST add a time to date 
single date - to make the compare work - you can add any time - but it would 
only make sense to add 00:00:00 or 23:59:59 as time (start / end of day)
For a lessThanOrEqual it would be usefull to assume 23:59:59 - for a 
greaterThanOrEqual it would be usefull to assume 00:00:00

So your argument is not acceptable for me - sorry.

Btw. for more about calendrical and time calculation have a look at my site at

http://www.datelib.de/

Greetings

   Kai

-- 
Hofmann Software Engineering International   http://www.hofmann-int.de/
Dipl.-Inform. Kai Hofmann                  mailto:hofmann@hofmann-int.de
Arberger Heerstr. 92                        phone:+49 174 1419312
D-28307 Bremen/Germany                        fax:+49 421 4899933-1


From cg@cdegroot.com  Tue May  8 07:52:50 2001
From: cg@cdegroot.com (Cees de Groot)
Date: 8 May 2001 08:52:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Backing up ZODB
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0105071202580.13909-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <9d8542$qoq$1@home.cdegroot.com>

Chris Gray <cpgray@library.uwaterloo.ca> said:
>Are there any gotchas in backing up a _live_ instance of Zope by archiving
>Data.fs?  Will caching, ZEO, or something else make this hazardous or
>unreliable?  

I'm not a ZODB guru, but from what I've seen the thing is append-only, so the
worst thing that can happen is that you have half a transaction at the end,
which is easy to fix on repair. 

>Is there a way to dump ZODB instead of just copying the
>Data.fs file?
>
Well, you could use tranalyzer.py as input for such a script... 



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue May  8 09:32:18 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:32:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Error when inserting into MySQL database
Message-ID: <01050810321800.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I get a very serious error when trying to insert into my database:
 
Zope Error

Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.

Error Type: error
Error Value: Duplicate entry '127' for key 1



Troubleshooting Suggestions

The URL may be incorrect. 
The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect. 
A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering an error. 

For more detailed information about the error, please refer to the HTML 
source for this page. 

If the error persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank you for your 
patience. 



Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
line 223, in publish_module
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
line 187, in publish
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 
221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
line 171, in publish
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 
160, in mapply
    (Object: index_html)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
line 112, in call_object
    (Object: index_html)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 
189, in __call__
    (Object: index_html)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, 
line 538, in __call__
    (Object: index_html)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_With.py, line 
146, in render
    (Object: portal_properties)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_With.py, line 
146, in render
    (Object: admin)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/OFS/DTMLDocument.py, line 
182, in __call__
    (Object: index)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, 
line 538, in __call__
    (Object: index)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 
182, in __call__
    (Object: dspDisplayArchive)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, 
line 538, in __call__
    (Object: dspDisplayArchive)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, 
line 713, in renderwob
    (Object: sqlGetArchive(id=archiveid))
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 
182, in __call__
    (Object: fncDisplayClips)
  File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, 
line 538, in __call__
    (Object: fncDisplayClips)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/Shared/DC/ZRDB/DA.py, line 
489, in __call__
    (Object: sqlAddClip)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZMySQLDA/db.py, 
line 171, in query
error: (see above)

Okay - I have tried to delete the record in the database with id=127. Then I 
could insert one more record and then the error happens again.
WHY ????

The id field is auto_incremented ... and the type is tinyint ...
Anyone who have any ideas ???


Regards,

-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May  8 10:02:58 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:02:58 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Re: [squishdot] [Announce] Squishdot 1.1.0 Released
References: <3AF7343A.D187EB7@nipltd.com> <3AF77795.F1872F58@hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <3AF7B642.4C4D886A@nipltd.com>

Ignacio Valdes wrote:
> 
> Chris Withers wrote:
> 
> >    - Squishdot now uses the new Zope 2.3.2 BTrees
> >
> > ...
> > ** This release requires Zope 2.3.2 or later! **
> >
> 
> So does this mean CMF-based Squish is ever so much closer? -- IV

Nope... not yet ;-)

Chris


From tino@wildenhain.de  Tue May  8 10:19:13 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:19:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] DateTime() BUG!
In-Reply-To: <3AF7AAED.16741.3D409A0@localhost>
References: <3AF7AAED.16741.3D409A0@localhost>
Message-ID: <6823256.989320753@BUZZER>

Hi Kai,

your viewpoint is true to some extent:
there is no Date-Object in Zope.
Its only a DateTime object and therefore it
consists of data _and_ time naturaly.
If you instantiate a DateTime object with a date only,
it sets time to 00:00:00.000 obviously.
(That is, DateTime is internally represented as floating point
number)
So any days time is normally greater than the date it has.
(the amount is the seconds of the day)

You can use a trick to archive what you want:

DateTime(DateTime().Date()) gives you a DateTime-Object
with the Time of the day-start.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain



--On Dienstag, 8. Mai 2001 08:16 +0200 Kai Hofmann <hofmann@isl.org> wrote:

>> Kai Hofmann writes:
>>  > the "enddate" I showed in the "pseudo"-code has been defined as an
>>  > object= s=20
>>  > property of type "date" - so I assumed the argument is correct -
>>  > isn't it= ?
>> But then the result *IS* correct, too!
>>
>> If you have, as is you example:
>>
>>    enddate=<todays date without time>
>> then
>>    DateTime().lessThanOrEqual(enddate)
>>
>> must return "false" most of the day.
>>
>> As the name suggests: "DateTime" is date *AND* time.
>> "lessThanOrEqual" must take both components into account.
>
> From my point this is not correct, because of the following points:
>
> 1) within the enddate there is no time defined - so it is NOT possible to
> compare the time - following your argument - the result should be a TYPE
> ERROR, because its not possible to compare a date/time pair with a date
>
> 2) A date only describes a whole day - so comparing it with a date/time
> pair  should always result in a compare of the dates only - because the
> time is  out of interest here (its always within the date range).
>
> 3) If you want to ignore point 1) and 2) then you MUST add a time to date
> single date - to make the compare work - you can add any time - but it
> would  only make sense to add 00:00:00 or 23:59:59 as time (start / end
> of day) For a lessThanOrEqual it would be usefull to assume 23:59:59 -
> for a  greaterThanOrEqual it would be usefull to assume 00:00:00
>
> So your argument is not acceptable for me - sorry.
>
> Btw. for more about calendrical and time calculation have a look at my
> site at
>
> http://www.datelib.de/
>
> Greetings
>
>    Kai
>
> --
> Hofmann Software Engineering International   http://www.hofmann-int.de/
> Dipl.-Inform. Kai Hofmann                  mailto:hofmann@hofmann-int.de
> Arberger Heerstr. 92                        phone:+49 174 1419312
> D-28307 Bremen/Germany                        fax:+49 421 4899933-1
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )






From tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk  Tue May  8 11:56:10 2001
From: tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk (Tony McDonald)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:56:10 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Where may I find some discussions about the pros and
 cons of Zope vs ASP vs PHP, etc...
In-Reply-To: <F11TaGmvSVMum03yMJi00003d91@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <B71D8F59.7844%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>

On 7/5/01 9:40 pm, "Tommy Johnson" <astlj@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> <experiencedwiththemallme>
>> From static HTML -> ASP = Wow!
>> From ASP -> PHP/Coldfusion = Chock!
>> From PHP/Coldfusion -> Zope = Heart attack!
>> </experiencedwiththemallme>
> 
> This is exactly the way I progressed:
> HTML to ASP
> ASP to ColdFusion
> Coldfusion to Zope
> 
> And I am experiencing a heart attack, along with a stroke. And just this
> morning, I found a patch of grey hairs. I hope it gets better, I've only
> been in this Zope experience for 2 1/2 weeks now.
> 
> Tommy

I hope all these coronaries are due to the 'lightbulb' effect and not the
DTML willies?

I've been playing with Presentation/Page templates and they *are good*. Now
all I need to do is warp my mind to another way of thinking - again!. (All I
need is a few good pages crammed with examples and I'll be right as rain).

Tone.
-- 
Dr Tony McDonald,  Assistant Director, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/
The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope



From e.seifert@gmx.net  Tue May  8 12:04:39 2001
From: e.seifert@gmx.net (E. Seifert)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 13:04:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [Fwd: [ez] Translating Zope]
Message-ID: <3AF7D2C7.3090600@gmx.net>

Here's a message I recently posted in the eurozope mailing list. I didn't get 
much response yet.
:-(

-------- Original Message --------
Betreff: [ez] Translating Zope
Datum: Sun, 06 May 2001 10:25:13 +0200
Von: "E. Seifert" <e.seifert@gmx.net>
An: eurozope@comlounge.net

Hi list,

As Zope gains popularity translations are necessary to help non-english speakers
to better understand Zope. Therefore an important goal should be to keep these
translations consistent over various ressources. To reach that goal I would
propose a project to provide translator with zope vocabulary in their language.
The words should be proposed, discussed and finally fixed in an official list of
translations. This would be a great relief for all translators and will make
translations more homogeneous and thus understandable for readers.

Awaiting your feedback
Eric


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From aswxmike@yahoo.com  Tue May  8 12:07:41 2001
From: aswxmike@yahoo.com (Mike Malloy)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 04:07:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Tutorial Question
Message-ID: <20010508110741.41672.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com>

Please pardon if this has been answered before.  I did
make an attempt at looking through the mail archives.

When trying to add the Zope Tutorial, I get the
following error after giving it an id and clicking Add

Invalid connection string: demo

There is a long stack trace that can be sent if needed
to help debug this.  If this is a known issue, please
let me know what the workaround is.

Best Regards,
Mike Malloy

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From os1@v10a.com  Tue May  8 12:34:12 2001
From: os1@v10a.com (oivvio polite)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 13:34:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] site-packages
In-Reply-To: <01050815310700.04454@localhost.localdomain>
References: <01050815310700.04454@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <01050813341200.06542@babar>

Hi all.

I'm building a webfilter in python. My first option for server was 
Apache+mod_snake, but after a while that felt kind of shaky. 

So now I've been reading up on Zope for a couple of days. I haven't been
able to find the solution for a problem that must be very common.

I have an external method in the root folder linked to a script looking like 
this:

#hello.py
def hello(self, REQUEST):
    user = REQUEST.AUTHENTICATED_USER
    return 'Hello %s' % user
    

Works great.


Then I have another another external method linked to a script looking like 
this:

#hello_with_import.py
import testmodule

def hello(self):
    return 'Hello %s' % testmodule.value
    

Doesn't work at all.
Just gives me:

Error Type: ImportError
Error Value: No module named testmodule


The module testmodule is in the site-packages of my python installation.
and importing it from any normal python program is no problem.


What's the deal here?

oivvio

-- 
oivvio polite

cell +46 (0)709 30 40 30 / work +46 (0)8 669 64 18 / fax +46 (0)8 84 00 18
varvsgatan 10A / s-117 29 stockholm / sweden



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Tue May  8 12:49:07 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 07:49:07 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [zshell] ANN: 0.5 with wildcard expansion
References: <20010508004040.B1199@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <000b01c0d7b4$e44fe420$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

Jerome

Dying to try out new features, but so far I have not been able make either
0.4 or 0.5 work

It installs OK adn look nice
Zope sees jaxml. I did a separate test from another script to be sure.

But try any command + RUN then it just hangs... :-(

Any ideas?

RedHat6.2
Zope2.3.2
Running ok behind Apache with Proxypass, SiteAccess2, SiteRoot

thanks
./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From arkaitz@euskalcom.net  Tue May  8 13:10:12 2001
From: arkaitz@euskalcom.net (Arkaitz Bitorika)
Date: 08 May 2001 14:10:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [zshell] ANN: 0.5 with wildcard expansion
In-Reply-To: <000b01c0d7b4$e44fe420$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
References: <20010508004040.B1199@nordine.ateur>
 <000b01c0d7b4$e44fe420$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <989323821.1265.6.camel@basajaun>

On 08 May 2001 07:49:07 -0400, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
> Jerome
> 
> Dying to try out new features, but so far I have not been able make either
> 0.4 or 0.5 work
> 
> It installs OK adn look nice
> Zope sees jaxml. I did a separate test from another script to be sure.
> 
> But try any command + RUN then it just hangs... :-(

It happens the same to me.
I'm running Zope 2.3.2 from source on Red Hat 7.1 and Python 1.5.2.

Cheers,
Arkaitz.



From Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com  Tue May  8 13:03:23 2001
From: Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 08:03:23 -0400
Subject: Fw: [Zope] DateTime() BUG!
Message-ID: <018501c0d7b6$e916f730$9865fea9@SUXLAP>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kai Hofmann" <hofmann@isl.org>>
> From my point this is not correct, because of the following points:
>
> 1) within the enddate there is no time defined - so it is NOT possible to
> compare the time - following your argument - the result should be a TYPE
> ERROR, because its not possible to compare a date/time pair with a date

<DISAGREE>
When you enter a new date property to an object then this date is converted
to an instance of DateTime (see PropertyManager and Converts module).
The DateTime constructor  assumes 00:00 when now time is given in the date
string. This is a common used semantics.
</DISAGREE>

> 2) A date only describes a whole day - so comparing it with a date/time
pair
> should always result in a compare of the dates only - because the time is
> out of interest here (its always within the date range).

see above...
When you only want to handle with dates you should avoid using the
DateTime()
constructor for comparision issues because it uses the current time.


Andreas



From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Tue May  8 13:35:11 2001
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (Dario Lopez-Kästen)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:35:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [OT] Zope people in Göteborg, Sweden?
Message-ID: <00d601c0d7bb$52c82b00$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>

Hello!

I am looking for fellow Zopistas in G=F6teborg Sweden. Please respond =
off list to me.

Thank you.

Sorry for the interruption.=20

/dario

And now for something completely different: The Lark. The Lark.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K=E4sten     Systems Developer  Chalmers Univ. of Technology
dario@ita.chalmers.se  ICQ will yield no hits    IT Systems & Services



From tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com  Tue May  8 13:41:38 2001
From: tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 13:41:38 +0100
Subject: [Zope] is ZEO the answer?
In-Reply-To: <000901c0d721$03600190$0b01a8c0@erm>
References: <000901c0d721$03600190$0b01a8c0@erm>
Message-ID: <5vpfftscm0redlhkucaltib0h75pce83pm@4ax.com>

On Mon, 7 May 2001 11:10:35 -0700, "Erik Myllymaki"
<erik@pacific-shores.com> wrote:

>I would like to publish my Zope site internally (Intranet) via HTTP AND
>externally via HTTPS (Internet). Should I be looking at ZEO or another
>option? Using on HTTPS server for both would be the easiest, but the
>intranet use is pretty heavy and I don't want to incure the overhead of =
SSL
>on what doesn't need to be encrypted.
>
>Thanks in advance,

Another option is to use a single Zope, located on the intranet.
Internal users connect direct, using http.

On the internet use Apache to provide the https layer, and using
mod_rewrite to fetch pages from the internal back-end server using
http. External users always access Zope via this front-end proxy,
although they cant tell the difference.

You will need to use VirtualHostMonster so that Zope understands about
the different URLs for proxied requests.



Toby Dickenson
tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com


From milos.prudek@worldonline.cz  Tue May  8 13:46:36 2001
From: milos.prudek@worldonline.cz (Milos Prudek)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:46:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] what is metadata?
Message-ID: <3AF7EAAC.11E9910F@worldonline.cz>

Hi all,

I see references to "metadata" in Zope Book and this mailing list, but
no explanation what this actually means. Could you please give me a few
examples of metadata in Zope, and definition of what is metadata?

--
Milos


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue May  8 13:48:54 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:48:54 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Setting SELECTED in select box
Message-ID: <01050814485405.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I have run into this weird problem:
I am trying to set an option in a select box SELECTED in the id of the option 
is the same as the value of the select box.
The code looks like this:
  <SELECT NAME="fileid" SIZE="1">
   <OPTION VALUE="0">-- Select mediafile --</OPTION>
  <dtml-in sqlGetMediafiles>
  <dtml-if fileid>
   <dtml-if expr="fileid == id">
   <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>" SELECTED><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
   <dtml-else>
   <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
   </dtml-if>
  <dtml-else>
   <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
  </dtml-if>
  </dtml-in>
  </SELECT>

Now when I have selected a file, I can see that the fileid variable is set.
Well then the select box should select the file that has that id right?

But it doesn't - it doesn't select anything.

Can anyone help me?

Regards
-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From jmce@artenumerica.com  Tue May  8 14:00:55 2001
From: jmce@artenumerica.com (J M Cerqueira Esteves)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:00:55 +0100
Subject: [Zope] what is metadata?
In-Reply-To: <3AF7EAAC.11E9910F@worldonline.cz>; from milos.prudek@worldonline.cz on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 02:46:36PM +0200
References: <3AF7EAAC.11E9910F@worldonline.cz>
Message-ID: <20010508140054.G21247@esoterica.pt>

On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 02:46:36PM +0200, Milos Prudek wrote:
> definition of what is metadata?

See, for instance,

http://www.w3.org/Metadata/
http://dublincore.org/
http://www2.sub.uni-goettingen.de/metaguide/index.html
http://www.MDCinfo.com/

-- 
 jmce:  +351 919838775   ~  http://jmce.artenumerica.org/


From nichols@tradingconnections.com  Tue May  8 14:11:24 2001
From: nichols@tradingconnections.com (Dennis Nichols)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 08:11:24 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Error when inserting into MySQL database
In-Reply-To: <01050810321800.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010508080939.00a328a0@127.0.0.1>

At 5/8/01 10:32 AM, Gitte Wange wrote:
>The id field is auto_incremented ... and the type is tinyint ...
>Anyone who have any ideas ???

And a tinyint can be -127 to +127. If you want more records than 127, make 
the id field some bigger type of integer. As it is, you are getting just 
what you asked for.

--
Dennis Nichols
nichols@tradingconnections.com



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue May  8 14:15:17 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:15:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Error when inserting into MySQL database
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010508080939.00a328a0@127.0.0.1>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010508080939.00a328a0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <01050815151707.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Tuesday 08 May 2001 15:11, Dennis Nichols wrote:
> At 5/8/01 10:32 AM, Gitte Wange wrote:
> >The id field is auto_incremented ... and the type is tinyint ...
> >Anyone who have any ideas ???
>
> And a tinyint can be -127 to +127. If you want more records than 127, make
> the id field some bigger type of integer. As it is, you are getting just
> what you asked for.
>
> --
> Dennis Nichols
> nichols@tradingconnections.com

Well I found out :-))

Now I am not good at binay numbers. Is there a list somewhere on the internet 
where I can see how many bits numbers use ?

Regards

-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From hofmann@isl.org  Tue May  8 14:20:10 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:20:10 +0200
Subject: Fw: [Zope] DateTime() BUG!
In-Reply-To: <018501c0d7b6$e916f730$9865fea9@SUXLAP>
Message-ID: <3AF80E63.5429.54D3069@localhost>

> When you only want to handle with dates you should avoid using the
> DateTime()
> constructor for comparision issues because it uses the current time.

So I need something like a Date class inlcuding a default constructor for=
 the=20
current date as well as compare methods ....

--=20
Institut f=FCr Seeverkehrswirtschaft und Logistik   http://www.isl.org/
Dipl.-Inform. Kai Hofmann                       mailto:hofmann@isl.org
Universitaetsallee GW1 Block A                   phone:+49 421 22096-83
D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Tue May  8 14:42:23 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:42:23 -0400
Subject: [Zope] what is metadata?
References: <3AF7EAAC.11E9910F@worldonline.cz>
Message-ID: <002d01c0d7c4$b68b05a0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

Milos

Metadata is data about data.
Hopefully it is structured in a useful way.
This means just about everything can be considered to be metadata in some
context.

In Zope a simple example might be that you want to store large image files
outside of Zope's own database, the ZODB. There are several tools to do
this. LocalFS and ExtFile Zope Products both allow to store images [or any
file ] elsewhere in the server's regular file system.

These files are themselves sets of data carefully structured according to
thier file type, .jpeg, .png, .pdf etc..

But inside Zope you want to keep simple metadata about those files, such as:
path, filename, type, author, width, height, size_Kb, datetime_uploaded,
author, etc.

You might call these properties or attributes of the source data [object].

Now suppose you want to store some 'higher level' data such as: number of
.jpeg files or the name email of the author of the file containing scan of a
photograph of the view from his window overlooking the house that jack built
in the same street where another man named Milos later asked a question
about zope metadata which was then answered in strange way by ...

./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']

PS:

LocalFS
http://www.zope.org/Members/jfarr/Products/LocalFS

ExtFile
http://www.zope.org/Members/MacGregor/ExtFile
The ExtFile/ExtImage Product stores a file externally in the filesystem and
keeps only meta data in the Zope Database. The file is stored in an external
file repository and is accessible via its corresponding Zope object.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Milos Prudek" <milos.prudek@worldonline.cz>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:46 AM
Subject: [Zope] what is metadata?


> Hi all,
>
> I see references to "metadata" in Zope Book and this mailing list, but
> no explanation what this actually means. Could you please give me a few
> examples of metadata in Zope, and definition of what is metadata?
>
> --
> Milos




From tino@wildenhain.de  Tue May  8 14:39:14 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:39:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Setting SELECTED in select box
In-Reply-To: <01050814485405.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <01050814485405.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <22424690.989336354@BUZZER>

Hi Gitte,

bad idea to use "id" for this, you are probably running into
a namespace-problem.

To check this, just give out the content of "id" with
<dtml-var id>

id is probably the id of your document or folder.
Try to find an other identifier which is not used by zope itself.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Dienstag, 8. Mai 2001 14:48 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have run into this weird problem:
> I am trying to set an option in a select box SELECTED in the id of the
> option  is the same as the value of the select box.
> The code looks like this:
>   <SELECT NAME="fileid" SIZE="1">
>    <OPTION VALUE="0">-- Select mediafile --</OPTION>
>   <dtml-in sqlGetMediafiles>
>   <dtml-if fileid>
>    <dtml-if expr="fileid == id">
>    <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>" SELECTED><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
>    <dtml-else>
>    <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
>    </dtml-if>
>   <dtml-else>
>    <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
>   </dtml-if>
>   </dtml-in>
>   </SELECT>
>
> Now when I have selected a file, I can see that the fileid variable is
> set. Well then the select box should select the file that has that id
> right?
>
> But it doesn't - it doesn't select anything.
>
> Can anyone help me?
>
> Regards
> --
> ************************
> Gitte Wange Jensen
>
> System Squid Developer
> MMManager Aps
> +45 29 72 79 72
>
> gitte@mmmanager.org
> ************************
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Tue May  8 14:41:12 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:41:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Error when inserting into MySQL database
In-Reply-To: <01050815151707.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <01050815151707.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <22543015.989336472@BUZZER>

Hi Gitte,


> Well I found out :-))
>
> Now I am not good at binay numbers. Is there a list somewhere on the
> internet  where I can see how many bits numbers use ?
>
Not on internet as such. This is only a naming issue and
depends on the application. In this case you will find it
in your database documentation.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue May  8 14:45:11 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:45:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Setting SELECTED in select box
In-Reply-To: <22424690.989336354@BUZZER>
References: <01050814485405.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <22424690.989336354@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <01050815415608.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

No no ...
It insert the correct id ... I can see that in the html-source ...
so that's not the problem.

What makes me wonder is that even though there is an id=27 and a fileid=27 it 
does set this as SELECTED ... why ?

Gitte

On Tuesday 08 May 2001 15:39, you wrote:
> Hi Gitte,
>
> bad idea to use "id" for this, you are probably running into
> a namespace-problem.
>
> To check this, just give out the content of "id" with
> <dtml-var id>
>
> id is probably the id of your document or folder.
> Try to find an other identifier which is not used by zope itself.
>
> Regards
> Tino Wildenhain
>
> --On Dienstag, 8. Mai 2001 14:48 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org>
>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have run into this weird problem:
> > I am trying to set an option in a select box SELECTED in the id of the
> > option  is the same as the value of the select box.
> > The code looks like this:
> >   <SELECT NAME="fileid" SIZE="1">
> >    <OPTION VALUE="0">-- Select mediafile --</OPTION>
> >   <dtml-in sqlGetMediafiles>
> >   <dtml-if fileid>
> >    <dtml-if expr="fileid == id">
> >    <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>" SELECTED><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
> >    <dtml-else>
> >    <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
> >    </dtml-if>
> >   <dtml-else>
> >    <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
> >   </dtml-if>
> >   </dtml-in>
> >   </SELECT>
> >
> > Now when I have selected a file, I can see that the fileid variable is
> > set. Well then the select box should select the file that has that id
> > right?
> >
> > But it doesn't - it doesn't select anything.
> >
> > Can anyone help me?
> >
> > Regards
> > --
> > ************************
> > Gitte Wange Jensen
> >
> > System Squid Developer
> > MMManager Aps
> > +45 29 72 79 72
> >
> > gitte@mmmanager.org
> > ************************
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From drees@the-bridge.net  Tue May  8 14:55:04 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 08:55:04 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZPT] index_html a script, not a template
In-Reply-To: <00df01c0d76c$0078f220$01000001@yosemite>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOIEFJDGAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

From: "Evan Simpson"
> From: "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com>
> > I.e. I start with a template and most likely end up in a template.
> >
> > Am I alone on using templating objects for URL-hitting objects?
>
> Not at all.  Both patterns have their place, and making code
> objects primary
> is a relatively new idiom.


I use about an 80% - 20% mix on my sites so far.
Many of form URLs are Python Scripts.

The rule of thumb for me is if I have more than one <dtml-if> in the first
10 lines I make it a python script. YMMV


> I think that it has more to do with the rise of Python Scripts, although
> part of the Page Template philosophy is to avoid embedding
> non-presentation
> logic.

I've only played with ZPT so far. What I would really like to do in my
Copious Amount Of Spare Time (tm) is to port www.wejustrock.com from DTML to
ZPT and make source for both versions publicly viewable. I think that would
go along way to educating people on ZPT. Unfortunately I'm not even a level
1 ZPT mage.




From drees@the-bridge.net  Tue May  8 14:57:48 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 08:57:48 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Error when inserting into MySQL database
In-Reply-To: <01050810321800.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOEEFKDGAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> The id field is auto_incremented ... and the type is tinyint ...
> Anyone who have any ideas ???

tinyints have a range of -128 to 127
You need a bigger field type for your key.


From laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu  Tue May  8 14:59:52 2001
From: laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu (Laurie Nason)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 08:59:52 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Setting SELECTED in select box
In-Reply-To: <01050815415608.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <01050814485405.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <22424690.989336354@BUZZER> <01050815415608.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <01050808595201.16082@alilap.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu>

Have you tried checking to see if one of your 27's is a string and one is a 
number? I seem to remember that I had this problem before, if I find it I 
will let you know

BTW - you could make the Selected a little snazzier by doing the 
following.... saves on a few if statements

SELECT NAME="fileid" SIZE="1">
	<OPTION VALUE="0">-- Select mediafile --</OPTION>
	<dtml-in sqlGetMediafiles>
	    <dtml-if fileid>
		<OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>" 
			<dtml-if expr="fileid == id">SELECTED></dtml-if>>
				<dtml-var filename></OPTION>
	    </dtml-if>
	</dtml-in>
</SELECT>	

HTH Laurie

On Tuesday 08 May 2001 08:45, Gitte Wange wrote:
> No no ...
> It insert the correct id ... I can see that in the html-source ...
> so that's not the problem.
>
> What makes me wonder is that even though there is an id=27 and a fileid=27
> it does set this as SELECTED ... why ?
>
> Gitte
>
> On Tuesday 08 May 2001 15:39, you wrote:
> > Hi Gitte,
> >
> > bad idea to use "id" for this, you are probably running into
> > a namespace-problem.
> >
> > To check this, just give out the content of "id" with
> > <dtml-var id>
> >
> > id is probably the id of your document or folder.
> > Try to find an other identifier which is not used by zope itself.
> >
> > Regards
> > Tino Wildenhain
> >
> > --On Dienstag, 8. Mai 2001 14:48 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I have run into this weird problem:
> > > I am trying to set an option in a select box SELECTED in the id of the
> > > option  is the same as the value of the select box.
> > > The code looks like this:
> > >   <SELECT NAME="fileid" SIZE="1">
> > >    <OPTION VALUE="0">-- Select mediafile --</OPTION>
> > >   <dtml-in sqlGetMediafiles>
> > >   <dtml-if fileid>
> > >    <dtml-if expr="fileid == id">
> > >    <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>" SELECTED><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
> > >    <dtml-else>
> > >    <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
> > >    </dtml-if>
> > >   <dtml-else>
> > >    <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
> > >   </dtml-if>
> > >   </dtml-in>
> > >   </SELECT>
> > >
> > > Now when I have selected a file, I can see that the fileid variable is
> > > set. Well then the select box should select the file that has that id
> > > right?
> > >
> > > But it doesn't - it doesn't select anything.
> > >
> > > Can anyone help me?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > --
> > > ************************
> > > Gitte Wange Jensen
> > >
> > > System Squid Developer
> > > MMManager Aps
> > > +45 29 72 79 72
> > >
> > > gitte@mmmanager.org
> > > ************************
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
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> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
_________________________________________________
National Center for Macromolecular Imaging
Baylor College of Medicine
Houston, TX
_________________________________________________


From drees@the-bridge.net  Tue May  8 15:03:49 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:03:49 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Error when inserting into MySQL database
In-Reply-To: <01050815151707.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOGEFLDGAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

>
> Now I am not good at binay numbers. Is there a list somewhere on
> the internet
> where I can see how many bits numbers use ?



went to www.google.com and did a search on "mysql field type size"

First link was
http://www.scibit.com/Help/Mascon/masconMySQL_Field_Types.html






From drees@the-bridge.net  Tue May  8 15:05:30 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:05:30 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Error when inserting into MySQL database
In-Reply-To: <01050815151707.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOKEFLDGAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> Now I am not good at binay numbers. Is there a list somewhere on
> the internet
> where I can see how many bits numbers use ?

This info is also in the O'Reilly book MySQL & mSQL starting on page 235.
(The orange post-it flag in my copy.)



From gitte@babytux.dk  Tue May  8 15:05:10 2001
From: gitte@babytux.dk (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:05:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Setting SELECTED in select box
In-Reply-To: <01050808595201.16082@alilap.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu>
References: <01050814485405.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <01050815415608.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <01050808595201.16082@alilap.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu>
Message-ID: <0105081605100A.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Well I think you are right - this could be the problem.

But then  - how do I make the test to see if they are identical ?
fileid proparly is a string and id is an int ... can I convert one of them - 
if so, how?

Gitte

On Tuesday 08 May 2001 15:59, Laurie Nason wrote:
> Have you tried checking to see if one of your 27's is a string and one is a
> number? I seem to remember that I had this problem before, if I find it I
> will let you know
>
> BTW - you could make the Selected a little snazzier by doing the
> following.... saves on a few if statements
>
> SELECT NAME="fileid" SIZE="1">
> 	<OPTION VALUE="0">-- Select mediafile --</OPTION>
> 	<dtml-in sqlGetMediafiles>
> 	    <dtml-if fileid>
> 		<OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"
> 			<dtml-if expr="fileid == id">SELECTED></dtml-if>>
> 				<dtml-var filename></OPTION>
> 	    </dtml-if>
> 	</dtml-in>
> </SELECT>
>
> HTH Laurie
>
> On Tuesday 08 May 2001 08:45, Gitte Wange wrote:
> > No no ...
> > It insert the correct id ... I can see that in the html-source ...
> > so that's not the problem.
> >
> > What makes me wonder is that even though there is an id=27 and a
> > fileid=27 it does set this as SELECTED ... why ?
> >
> > Gitte
> >
> > On Tuesday 08 May 2001 15:39, you wrote:
> > > Hi Gitte,
> > >
> > > bad idea to use "id" for this, you are probably running into
> > > a namespace-problem.
> > >
> > > To check this, just give out the content of "id" with
> > > <dtml-var id>
> > >
> > > id is probably the id of your document or folder.
> > > Try to find an other identifier which is not used by zope itself.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Tino Wildenhain
> > >
> > > --On Dienstag, 8. Mai 2001 14:48 +0200 Gitte Wange
> > > <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I have run into this weird problem:
> > > > I am trying to set an option in a select box SELECTED in the id of
> > > > the option  is the same as the value of the select box.
> > > > The code looks like this:
> > > >   <SELECT NAME="fileid" SIZE="1">
> > > >    <OPTION VALUE="0">-- Select mediafile --</OPTION>
> > > >   <dtml-in sqlGetMediafiles>
> > > >   <dtml-if fileid>
> > > >    <dtml-if expr="fileid == id">
> > > >    <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>" SELECTED><dtml-var
> > > > filename></OPTION> <dtml-else>
> > > >    <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
> > > >    </dtml-if>
> > > >   <dtml-else>
> > > >    <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
> > > >   </dtml-if>
> > > >   </dtml-in>
> > > >   </SELECT>
> > > >
> > > > Now when I have selected a file, I can see that the fileid variable
> > > > is set. Well then the select box should select the file that has that
> > > > id right?
> > > >
> > > > But it doesn't - it doesn't select anything.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone help me?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > --
> > > > ************************
> > > > Gitte Wange Jensen
> > > >
> > > > System Squid Developer
> > > > MMManager Aps
> > > > +45 29 72 79 72
> > > >
> > > > gitte@mmmanager.org
> > > > ************************
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > > > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > > > (Related lists -
> > > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> > > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From drees@the-bridge.net  Tue May  8 15:07:35 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:07:35 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZPT] index_html a script, not a template
In-Reply-To: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOIEFJDGAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOOEFLDGAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> From: "Evan Simpson"
> > From: "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com>
> > > I.e. I start with a template and most likely end up in a template.
> > >
> > > Am I alone on using templating objects for URL-hitting objects?
> >
> > Not at all.  Both patterns have their place, and making code
> > objects primary
> > is a relatively new idiom.
> 
> 
> I use about an 80% - 20% mix on my sites so far.
> Many of form URLs are Python Scripts.


Let me clarify. 80% DTML - 20% Scripts




From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May  8 15:07:30 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:07:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked checkbox?
References: <20010507154837.A11871@internatif.org> <008401c0d701$2e7ac1f0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org> <20010507163113.B13607@internatif.org>
Message-ID: <004801c0d7c8$385e5070$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Stephane Bortzmeyer]
>  Thomas B. Passin <tpassin@mitretek.org> wrote
>  a message of 36 lines which said:
>
> > 1) Your dtml or script can check to see if that key is in the form, and
act
> > appropriately if it is not there.
>
> My script cannot check because parameters are apparently tested by
> Zope before the first line of the script is executed.
>
I don't quite know what you are referring to here.  The form data is
contained in the REQUEST object (i.e., REQUEST.form).  I assure you that all
the form data from the checkboxes and so on will be in the REQUEST.  Zope
won't remove any of it.

You have to make sure that the REQUEST gets passed to your script, then the
script can access it.  I haven't used Python scripts so far, if that's what
you are using, but I think that the REQUEST comes with the "context"
parameter.  If not, you should be able to pass it directly to the script.
If you were using an external method, you would pass it like so:  <dtml-var
"yourExternalMethod(REQUEST)">.

You should, I think, make sure that you know how to send the REQUEST object
to your script, then everything else should easy.

Cheers,

Tom P



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Tue May  8 15:22:01 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 08:22:01 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Setting SELECTED in select box
References: <01050814485405.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <01050815415608.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <01050808595201.16082@alilap.3dem.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu> <0105081605100A.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <3AF80109.E2DA3D3C@kaivo.com>

Gitte Wange wrote:
> 
> Well I think you are right - this could be the problem.
> 
> But then  - how do I make the test to see if they are identical ?
> fileid proparly is a string and id is an int ... can I convert one of them -
> if so, how?
> 
> Gitte
> 
> On Tuesday 08 May 2001 15:59, Laurie Nason wrote:
> > Have you tried checking to see if one of your 27's is a string and one is a
> > number? I seem to remember that I had this problem before, if I find it I
> > will let you know
> >
> > BTW - you could make the Selected a little snazzier by doing the
> > following.... saves on a few if statements
> >
> > SELECT NAME="fileid" SIZE="1">
> >       <OPTION VALUE="0">-- Select mediafile --</OPTION>
> >       <dtml-in sqlGetMediafiles>
> >           <dtml-if fileid>
> >               <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"
> >                       <dtml-if expr="fileid == id">SELECTED></dtml-if>>
> >                               <dtml-var filename></OPTION>
> >           </dtml-if>
> >       </dtml-in>
> > </SELECT>
> >

You can convert either automatically using marshalling or using _.int():

<select name="fieldid:int" size="1">
...

The above is converted to an int automatically by Zope and appears as an
int to your DTML.

or

<dtml-if expr="id == _.int(REQUEST.fileid)">

Which does the conversion at the time of the comparison.

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May  8 15:43:30 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:43:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Setting SELECTED in select box
References: <01050814485405.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <005301c0d7cd$402a10a0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

There is a productive way to approach problems like this - where the problem
might be an HTML issue or it might be a Zope issue.  It's better if you go
through this process before asking for help.  You will learn more, create
less noise on the list, and get more accurate help with fewer back-and-forth
questions and answers.

1) Make sure you know the correct HTML syntax and that you understand how
the HTML is supposed to work.
    - Handcode an example of the html and get it to work in the browser.
    Make it as SIMPLE as possible.  Get a good HTML reference, perhaps the
    HTML Reference Library (search on line for it).

2) Now change your HTML sample so it contains values similar to those you
expect to get  from Zope.   Keep it as SIMPLE as before.  Make sure it still
works in the browser.

3) Now use Zope to create an HTML page as much like your hand-crafted sample
as possible.
    - Check to see if it works in the browser.
    - Look at Zope's HTML and see if it matches your example.  This
        should be easy if you have SIMPLIFIED the example.

By now, either you have fixed the HTML or you know it's something about Zope
or HTML that you don't quite understand, and you know which one is the
problem.  Now you may be ready to ask for help.  When you ask for the help,
be concise and specific.  Use your simplified example.  For instance:

    "I want to produce THIS HTML.  My Zope code is HERE, but it
    produces THIS RESULT instead.  The problem seems to be in the <whatever
part>.
    How can I produce my HTML?"

Or

    "I want to produce this result with HTML.  I expected that THIS HTML
CODE
    would work, but it does THIS instead.  How should I change my HTML
    to do what I said I want?"

    (If it's really an HTML problem, though, this list isn't the place for
it)

In your case, Gitte, you should make sure that you have a sample of HTML
that selects the correct option when the page loads.  You don't even need
Zope for that.  Then make sure that Zope is really giving you the correct
values in its output, so that it reproduces the HTML that you know works.
If you have already done this, you should say so in your post.

Cheers,

Tom P

[Gitte Wange]

I have run into this weird problem:
I am trying to set an option in a select box SELECTED in the id of the
option
is the same as the value of the select box.
The code looks like this:
  <SELECT NAME="fileid" SIZE="1">
   <OPTION VALUE="0">-- Select mediafile --</OPTION>
  <dtml-in sqlGetMediafiles>
  <dtml-if fileid>
   <dtml-if expr="fileid == id">
   <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>" SELECTED><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
   <dtml-else>
   <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
   </dtml-if>
  <dtml-else>
   <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"><dtml-var filename></OPTION>
  </dtml-if>
  </dtml-in>
  </SELECT>

Now when I have selected a file, I can see that the fileid variable is set.
Well then the select box should select the file that has that id right?

But it doesn't - it doesn't select anything.





From marc@bowery.com  Tue May  8 15:45:02 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:45:02 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Setting SELECTED in select box
In-Reply-To: <3AF80109.E2DA3D3C@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <B71D7EAE.2C75F%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Casey Duncan <cduncan@kaivo.com>
> 
> <dtml-if expr="id == _.int(REQUEST.fileid)">


...or make them both strings

<dtml-if expr="`id` == `fileid`")>

right?



From gitte@babytux.dk  Tue May  8 15:48:40 2001
From: gitte@babytux.dk (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:48:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Setting SELECTED in select box
In-Reply-To: <3AF80109.E2DA3D3C@kaivo.com>
References: <01050814485405.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <0105081605100A.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <3AF80109.E2DA3D3C@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <0105081648400C.02171@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Tuesday 08 May 2001 16:22, Casey Duncan wrote:
> Gitte Wange wrote:
> > Well I think you are right - this could be the problem.
> >
> > But then  - how do I make the test to see if they are identical ?
> > fileid proparly is a string and id is an int ... can I convert one of
> > them - if so, how?
> >
> > Gitte
> >
> > On Tuesday 08 May 2001 15:59, Laurie Nason wrote:
> > > Have you tried checking to see if one of your 27's is a string and one
> > > is a number? I seem to remember that I had this problem before, if I
> > > find it I will let you know
> > >
> > > BTW - you could make the Selected a little snazzier by doing the
> > > following.... saves on a few if statements
> > >
> > > SELECT NAME="fileid" SIZE="1">
> > >       <OPTION VALUE="0">-- Select mediafile --</OPTION>
> > >       <dtml-in sqlGetMediafiles>
> > >           <dtml-if fileid>
> > >               <OPTION VALUE="<dtml-var id>"
> > >                       <dtml-if expr="fileid == id">SELECTED></dtml-if>>
> > >                               <dtml-var filename></OPTION>
> > >           </dtml-if>
> > >       </dtml-in>
> > > </SELECT>
>
> You can convert either automatically using marshalling or using _.int():
>
> <select name="fieldid:int" size="1">
> ...
>
> The above is converted to an int automatically by Zope and appears as an
> int to your DTML.
>
> or
>
> <dtml-if expr="id == _.int(REQUEST.fileid)">
>
> Which does the conversion at the time of the comparison.
>
> hth,


Thanks !!!
It helped - you've just saved my day :-)

Gitte


From tim@sitefusion.co.uk  Tue May  8 16:28:51 2001
From: tim@sitefusion.co.uk (Tim Hicks)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:28:51 +0100
Subject: [Zope] getPropertyType
References: <15092.18372.994889.124752@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <009a01c0d7d3$965380a0$0501a8c0@Duron>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dieter Maurer" <dieter@handshake.de>
To: "Tim Hicks" <tim@sitefusion.co.uk>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] getPropertyType


> Tim Hicks writes:
>  > ... problem with "PropertySheet.getPropertyType" ...
> This might be a bug.
>
> I looked in the code at "OFS.PropertySheets".
>
>   "getPropertyType" is very differently implemented
>   than "hasProperty".
>   "getPropertyType" looks at "self.p_self()._properties" while
>   "hasProperty" looks at "self._propertyMap".
>
>   This is very suspicious.
>
>   At your place, I would make "getPropertyType" similar to
>   "hasProperty" and if that gives you the correct result,
>   file a bug report into the collector.

Dieter,

I'm sorry, you've lost me slightly there.  Could you just go over what you
mean by that last paragraph?  Do you mean, put hasProperty where I had
getPropertyType and see if it does indeed return the correct answer (true or
false)?  If that is what you mean, how does this confirm a bug?  Sorry to be
a bit slow on this.

tim



From paz@oratrix.com  Tue May  8 16:37:27 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 17:37:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Changing of the SQL guard
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAIEMHCDAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Greets all,

I have installed a newer version of postgres on my linux box, along with the
newer PoPy adapter and I have done some work in splitting out tables to
separate dbs... The problem I'm faced with is that I have to reidentify all
of the connections that each ZSQL method addresses to the adapter. Instead
of manually changing each one (which are too many to count), is there a way
I can do them all at once? The second db I use is very isolated so if I
could just tell an entire tree to goto on db connection, that would be
nice... I even tried using the same object name, but Im sure there is more
hidden stuff behind its ID that this doesnt work...

Can anyone help me please?

TIA,
Paz



From alet@unice.fr  Tue May  8 17:06:10 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:06:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [zshell] ANN: 0.5 with wildcard expansion
In-Reply-To: <000b01c0d7b4$e44fe420$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>; from jasonic@nomadicsltd.com on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 07:49:07AM -0400
References: <20010508004040.B1199@nordine.ateur> <000b01c0d7b4$e44fe420$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <20010508180610.B436@nordine.ateur>

On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 07:49:07AM -0400, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
> Jerome
> 
> Dying to try out new features, but so far I have not been able make either
> 0.4 or 0.5 work
> 
> It installs OK adn look nice
> Zope sees jaxml. I did a separate test from another script to be sure.
> 
> But try any command + RUN then it just hangs... :-(

No idea.

here it works fine on both 2.3.0 and 2.3.2 on Debian GNU/Linux Potato and Woody + python 1.5.2 compiled from sources.

did you download the latest jaxml (2.22) ?

Here it works with both 2.10 and 2.22

sorry, can't help more yet.

Do you see any error message somewhere ?

bye,

Jerome Alet



From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Tue May  8 17:21:41 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 09:21:41 -0700
Subject: [Zope] zeo database
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2EC@desi2>

I don't think this is the case by default; the 2gb limit is a pre-existing
limitation in ext2, which is the default filesystem in Linux 2.4.  Not until
Linux 2.4.1 did an alternate filesystem add features to remove this barrier
(ReiserFS), and it is not the default. In addition to ReiserFS, SGI's XFS
and IBM's AFS seem to address large file support and are all avilable as
patches to the mainstream kernel.

However, doesn't Python impose some sort of limit as well?  Anyone have a
number?  Does this depend on the architecture of the machine (i.e. 64 vs. 32
bit)?

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: marc lindahl [mailto:marc@bowery.com]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 7:36 AM
To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] zeo database



> the file size limit of zope/zeo... is it true that it only runs below
2GB...
> that when it reaches 2GB it will stop working...

Check out 
http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/PartitionedFileStorage

Also, if you run Linux kernel >= 2.4 there's no limit.


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From jeff@janix.com  Tue May  8 17:41:43 2001
From: jeff@janix.com (Jeff Sasmor)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 12:41:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] CMFOptions 1.0 with Blark Weblog
Message-ID: <02ad01c0d7dd$d785d370$1a931340@NETKOOK>

CMFOptions 1.0 has been released. It includes
minor updates to the CMFExtFile and CMFExtImage
content types, as well as a new content type
called Blark.

Blark is a weblog, similar in concept to Squishdot 
(and it looks a bit like it) but tailored for
the CMF. It's not a CMF 'skin', but rather a CMF 
content object that is instantiated in a Member 
directory (it can even be the index_html for the member).

Blark has been beta tested at http://www.yellowbrain.com/
(where you can try it out as long as that web site remains
active) but probably still has a few nits in it. 

You can read more at:

http://www.zope.org/Members/jeffsasmor/CMFOptions/

Enjoy!

(sorry for crossposting, but the last time I posted only to zope-announce
folks complained. Go figure. )

Jeff Sasmor
jeff@sasmor.com
Check out http://www.naggle.com/





From Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>  Tue May  8 17:52:28 2001
From: Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net> (Oliver Bleutgen)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:52:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Changing of the SQL guard
Message-ID: <E14xAt3-0003gu-00@mail.python.org>

> Greets all,

> I have installed a newer version of postgres on my linux box, along with
> the
> newer PoPy adapter and I have done some work in splitting out tables to
> separate dbs... The problem I'm faced with is that I have to reidentify
> all
> of the connections that each ZSQL method addresses to the adapter. Instead
> of manually changing each one (which are too many to count), is there a
> way
> I can do them all at once? The second db I use is very isolated so if I
> could just tell an entire tree to goto on db connection, that would be
> nice... I even tried using the same object name, but Im sure there is more
> hidden stuff behind its ID that this doesnt work...

I think could write a python script (or dtml-method) which recurses
through the subfolder and searches for ZSQL-methods.
If it finds one it calls 
manage_edit(self, title, connection_id, arguments, template)
with the right arguments.

from zope 2.3.2's help:
manage_edit(self, title, connection_id, arguments, template)
    Change database method properties.
    The connection_id argument is the id of a database connection that resides in the 
    current folder or in a folder above the current folder. The database should understand SQL.
    The arguments argument is a string containing an arguments specification, 
    as would be given in the SQL method cration form.
    The template argument is a string containing the source for the SQL Template.

cheers,
oliver






From gmilliken@farm9.com  Tue May  8 18:40:48 2001
From: gmilliken@farm9.com (George Milliken)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:40:48 -0700
Subject: [Zope] unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <E14xAt3-0003gu-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBIAEOIKOHFEMNFAHBGEMHIIAA.gmilliken@farm9.com>

unsubscribe

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
Oliver Bleutgen
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:52 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Changing of the SQL guard


> Greets all,

> I have installed a newer version of postgres on my linux box, along with
> the
> newer PoPy adapter and I have done some work in splitting out tables to
> separate dbs... The problem I'm faced with is that I have to reidentify
> all
> of the connections that each ZSQL method addresses to the adapter. Instead
> of manually changing each one (which are too many to count), is there a
> way
> I can do them all at once? The second db I use is very isolated so if I
> could just tell an entire tree to goto on db connection, that would be
> nice... I even tried using the same object name, but Im sure there is more
> hidden stuff behind its ID that this doesnt work...

I think could write a python script (or dtml-method) which recurses
through the subfolder and searches for ZSQL-methods.
If it finds one it calls
manage_edit(self, title, connection_id, arguments, template)
with the right arguments.

from zope 2.3.2's help:
manage_edit(self, title, connection_id, arguments, template)
    Change database method properties.
    The connection_id argument is the id of a database connection that
resides in the
    current folder or in a folder above the current folder. The database
should understand SQL.
    The arguments argument is a string containing an arguments
specification,
    as would be given in the SQL method cration form.
    The template argument is a string containing the source for the SQL
Template.

cheers,
oliver





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From Sven.Syld@stat.ee  Tue May  8 18:05:04 2001
From: Sven.Syld@stat.ee (Sven Syld)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 20:05:04 +0300
Subject: [Zope] Authentication for outside users
Message-ID: <saf8517e.001@mailgate.statsise>

> > How could I do so that only users from a certain IP address will
> > need to authenticate - outsiders? Others - insiders - will not.

> Make an anonymous user with no password, and domain set to the IP
> block you want to consider "inside". See
> http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/Security.dtml -- particularly
> the parts right after Figure 6-1.

Do you mean by anonymous user - role Anonymous, ie no roles?
So when IP address is "inside" then user gets Anonyomus role otherwise =
user must have role?=20

Idea is good but then I must give access for Anonymous which means =
everybody has access. Which means no IP blocking is done and I'm back =
where I started from... :(

So I thought make two users - "insider" and "outsider" and give "Guest" =
role. Outsider has password and insider has not. Gave correct domains. And =
I removed all anonymous access. Still login is required from both. They =
don't get automatically that role like book says.


Sven



From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Tue May  8 19:55:38 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:55:38 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Problem w/ lines-->List in edit form
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2EE@desi2>

Weird problem I am having with "lines" properties, mapping them to a python
list in a product.

In a python product I'm working on, one class property in my primary class
is a python list (well, an enhanced list class instance based upon a python
list for underlying storage).  This keyword class has a method called
asTuple() which returns the list as a tuple; this is used to fill a DTML
edit form textarea that uses "lines" as a type for the request object upon
submission.  This seems to work right, doing this:

<textarea name="keywords:lines" cols="40" rows="6"><dtml-in
expr="keywords.asTuple()"><dtml-var sequence-item>
</dtml-in></textarea>

[Notice the line feed before the </dtml-in>...]

Upon submission, manage_edit does a self.setKeys(REQUEST['keywords']), where
setKeys() accepts a list, then removes duplicate entries, and goes through
the resulting de-duplicated list of words, and uses a list append() method
to add each entry. 

Upon submission of this form, however, it adds an empty string as the 1st
element of the list.  This doesn't happen when unit testing my python code
for my setKeys() method from the python shell.

What I am guessing is happening is that there is a blank line inserted AT
THE END of the textarea.  This is then shifted to the front when my code
runs a sort() on the list as part of the de-duplication process.  My
de-duplication code:

    def deDupe(self):
        """Scans through keyword list and de-dupes multiple entries for the
same keyword"""
        #3 things: 2 loops and a sort, plus recursion via the 2nd loop -
inefficient, but works
        for kw in self.keywords:
            if (self.keywords.count(kw) > 1):       #If duplicate(s) of
current kw, get rid of this one
                self.keywords.remove(kw)            #technically, this
removes 1st instance in list, this works
        #now, check for more duplicates, since above sometimes won't work in
cases of several repreats
        for kw in self.keywords:
            if (self.keywords.count(kw) > 1):
                self.deDupe()
        self.keywords.sort()                        #sort the list

I figure that I could incorporate code to get rid of "empty" list entries.
Is there an easier way to do this?  The extra line feed at the end of the
text area ends up being a nuisance, but I'm not sure if there is a way to
get the DTML to output HTML just right so it works.  I suppose that others
have encountered this weirdness before.  Thoughts?

Sean

=========================
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Senior Programmer/Analyst
SignOnSanDiego.com
The San Diego Union-Tribune
619.718.5241
sean.upton@uniontrib.com
=========================


From dingx@web.de  Tue May  8 19:40:19 2001
From: dingx@web.de (Stefan Berthold)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:40:19 +0200
Subject: [Zope] login, permission and REQUEST env
Message-ID: <01050820401901.00432@nexus>

Hi!

I'm trying to manage a school-paper homepage with zope... during the 
last two weeks I got several problems that I couldn't solve with zope 
book and other documentation... hope there's somebody who have some 
answers:

  (1) For article management I need to login some users but this (let's 
call them) editors don't need the permission to view management screens 
(they will use html-formulars to manage their articles)... till now I 
couldn't find a way to login users without this permission (e.g. 
through a regular html-form and a dtml method).

  (2) Owners of dtml documents usually have the permission to change 
and delete their documents... but how can I discover if somebody have 
this (implicitly) given Owner role?

  (3) (Not just) For a kind of skin technology I need parameters that 
are user specific (REQUEST variables)... to set and analyse them may be 
no problem - but how can include new parameters to the old URL without 
deleting the old parameters? What I need is a way to add parameters to 
the REQUEST environment...

If there are some hints in the official documentation I would be very 
interested in... otherwise I hope somebody can help with some smart 
examples or a hint.

-- 
Stefan Berthold <dingx@web.de>
Zivilist in Lauerstellung
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FAX/VoiceBox: +49 180 50529 6341739


From jmce@artenumerica.com  Tue May  8 20:25:00 2001
From: jmce@artenumerica.com (J M Cerqueira Esteves)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:25:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot 1.1.0 (stripogram.py):  HTML filtering problems
In-Reply-To: <3AF7343A.D187EB7@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 12:48:10AM +0100
References: <3AF7343A.D187EB7@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010508202459.J21247@esoterica.pt>

On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 12:48:10AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
>    - HTML parsing now done using the Strip-o-Gram library.

A few minutes ago, I made a few tests with the html2safehtml function in
stripogram.py and found that it is possible to force inclusion of arbitrary
tags in the output text.

  html2safehtml ('Roses <b>are</B> red,<br>violets <i>are</i> blue', 
                 valid_tags=['b', 'i', 'br'])

returns

    'Roses <b>are</b> red,<br>violets <i>are</i> blue'

as expected, but

  html2safehtml ('Roses <b>are</B> red,<br/>violets <i>are</i> blue', 
                 valid_tags=['b','i','br'])

returns

    'Roses <b>are</b> red,<br>>violets <i>are<i> blue'

Notice that the (valid for XHTML) '<br/>' becomes  '<br>>'
and the closing '</i>' at the end comes out as... '<i>'.

But it gets more interesting: the result of 

  html2safehtml ('Roses <b>are</B> red,<br/QUACK>violets <i>are</i> blue', 
                 valid_tags=['b','i','br'])
is 
    'Roses <b>are</b> red,<br>QUACK>violets <i>are<i> blue'

inspiring one to write

  html2safehtml ('Roses <b>are</B> red,<br/<QUACK>violets <i>are</i> blue', 
                 valid_tags=['b','i','br'])     

getting  'Roses <b>are</b> red,<br><QUACK>violets <i>are<i> blue'

or even 

  html2safehtml ('Roses <b>are</B> red,<br/<blink>QUACK<//blink> violets '
                 '<i>are</i> blue', 
	         valid_tags=['b','i','br'])

successfully smuggling a <blink>...</blink> inside the result:

       'Roses <b>are</b> red,<br><blink>QUACK</blink> violets <i>are</i> blue'

(Notice that the closing '</i>' is now OK again, and that I had to use
'<//blink>' in order to get '</blink>'.


Maybe a problem with sgmllib?  I have no time for further tests now...

-- 
 jmce:  +351 919838775   ~  http://jmce.artenumerica.org/


From dieter@handshake.de  Tue May  8 19:51:14 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:51:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] [Fwd: [ez] Translating Zope]
In-Reply-To: <360564326@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15096.16418.891085.829038@lindm.dm>

E. Seifert writes:
 >  .... consolidated Zope terminology as common base for translations ....
A very good idea!

This terminology could also become part of a Zope book, e.g.
as a glossary.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Tue May  8 19:53:23 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:53:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] site-packages
In-Reply-To: <662057318@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15096.16547.645485.556550@lindm.dm>

oivvio polite writes:
 > ...
 > import testmodule
 > ...
 > Error Type: ImportError
 > Error Value: No module named testmodule
 > 
 > 
 > The module testmodule is in the site-packages of my python installation.
 > and importing it from any normal python program is no problem.
Zope's startup script sometimes defines "PYTHONHOME".
The result could be that Zope looks at a different place
for "site-packages" than you expect.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Tue May  8 19:59:37 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:59:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Changing of the SQL guard
In-Reply-To: <904395259@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15096.16921.613156.826068@lindm.dm>

Paul Zwarts writes:
 > ...
 > The problem I'm faced with is that I have to reidentify all
 > of the connections that each ZSQL method addresses to the adapter. Instead
 > of manually changing each one (which are too many to count), is there a way
 > I can do them all at once?
I am not sure what you want to achieve.

  If you want to change the ZSQL connection id's,
  you could use an external method together with
  "ZopeFind" (--> ZQR).

  "ZopeFind" would return a list of all Z SQL methods.
  You would apply
  your external method to each such object.
  The method would set "connection_id" to
  a new id.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Tue May  8 19:48:42 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:48:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] External method default arg weirdness
In-Reply-To: <493338754@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15096.16266.317370.302060@lindm.dm>

Paul Winkler writes:
 > This is with Zope 2.2.2.
 > If I give a default argument to the external method, and call it
 > from a dtml method, the default gets used even if I pass the
 > argument.
 > 
 > Example: Try creating two external methods and calling them like
 > this from standard_html_footer.
 > 
 > <dtml-var "my_ext_method1(_['id'])">
 > <dtml-var "my_ext_method2(_['id'])">
 > 
 > 
 > Here are the two external method definitions:
 > 
 > def my_ext_method1(id):
 > 	return "<br>%s" % id
 > 
 > def my_ext_method2(id="oops"):
 > 	return "<br>%s" % id
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Anybody else get this? Why does it do that?
I know this only, if the first parameter is called "self".

We use default parameters regularly (in Zope 2.1.6) and
they work as expected.


Dieter


From bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com  Tue May  8 20:53:18 2001
From: bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 21:53:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked checkbox?
In-Reply-To: <B71C2CBD.2C5F3%marc@bowery.com>; from marc@bowery.com on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:43:10AM -0400
References: <20010507161947.A13214@internatif.org> <B71C2CBD.2C5F3%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <20010508215318.A30015@internatif.org>

On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:43:10AM -0400,
 marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com> wrote 
 a message of 9 lines which said:

> parameters=beverage="",sugar=0,milk=0,RESPONSE

I already tried (it would be better to have a normal HTML form, so
that any HTML author can edit it, and to keep all Zope-specific stuff
in the Python script) but:

SyntaxError: non-default argument follows default argument





From marc@bowery.com  Tue May  8 21:02:03 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:02:03 -0400
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked
 checkbox?
In-Reply-To: <20010508215318.A30015@internatif.org>
Message-ID: <B71DC8FA.2C7D6%marc@bowery.com>

> 
>> parameters=beverage="",sugar=0,milk=0,RESPONSE
> 
> I already tried (it would be better to have a normal HTML form, so
> that any HTML author can edit it, and to keep all Zope-specific stuff
> in the Python script) but:
> 
> SyntaxError: non-default argument follows default argument

Right... parameters= RESPONSE, bevarage="", sugar=0, milk=0

just an ordering problem, I think...



From bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com  Tue May  8 21:10:03 2001
From: bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:10:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked checkbox?
In-Reply-To: <004801c0d7c8$385e5070$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>; from tpassin@mitretek.org on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:07:30AM -0400
References: <20010507154837.A11871@internatif.org> <008401c0d701$2e7ac1f0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org> <20010507163113.B13607@internatif.org> <004801c0d7c8$385e5070$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
Message-ID: <20010508221003.B30015@internatif.org>

On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:07:30AM -0400,
 Thomas B. Passin <tpassin@mitretek.org> wrote 
 a message of 38 lines which said:

> > My script cannot check because parameters are apparently tested by
> > Zope before the first line of the script is executed.
> >
> I don't quite know what you are referring to here.  

When you declare parameters to a Python Script, the existence of these
parameters is tested by Zope before your script gets executed. So, you
cannot check them in your script, they have to be right in the first
place. Here is the declaration:

## Script (Python) "handleForm"
##bind container=container
##bind context=context
##bind namespace=REQUEST
##bind script=script
##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
##parameters=beverage,sugar,milk,RESPONSE
##title=
##
RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Type', 'text/html')
if milk:
	milk = " with milk"
else:
...

> The form data is
> contained in the REQUEST object (i.e., REQUEST.form).  I assure you that all
> the form data from the checkboxes and so on will be in the REQUEST.  Zope

OK, the examples in the Zope Book (is there a better source of
information?) do not mention it, they use parameters of the script.

I cannot find REQUEST.form in the Zope API at the end of the Zope
book. But, now that I know it exists, a search in zope.org produced
severl examples. I have now a better version, where the form is 100%
standard HTML form, and the script is:

## Script (Python) "handleForm"
##bind container=container
##bind context=context
##bind namespace=REQUEST
##bind script=script
##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
##parameters=beverage,RESPONSE,REQUEST
##title=
##
RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Type', 'text/html')
if REQUEST.form.has_key('milk'):
	milk = " with milk"
else:
	milk = ""
if REQUEST.form.has_key('sugar'):
	sugar = " with sugar"
else:
	sugar = ""
return "<P>You asked for " + beverage + sugar + milk



Funny there are so many ways to do something so simple. Thanks a lot,
I find it much better now.


From richard@dcs.co.uk  Tue May  8 20:29:17 2001
From: richard@dcs.co.uk (Richard Moon)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 20:29:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Accessing ZSQL Methods from outside Zope
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010508202528.024cd7c0@195.60.12.162>

I've got a Zope site (www.tunedb.org) with a MySQL backend and a load of 
data. People are asking me if they can connect to that database (read-only) 
somehow, perhaps using the SQL queries I have already set up, or perhaps by 
writing their own queries and accessing MySQL directly.

Has anyone done anything like this ? Can you point me in the right direction ?

Many thanks

Richard



Richard Moon
richard@dcs.co.uk




From philippe.jadin@123piano.com  Tue May  8 21:13:45 2001
From: philippe.jadin@123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:13:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [Fwd: [ez] Translating Zope]
References: <3AF7D2C7.3090600@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <012901c0d7fe$7e747400$dd9a043e@r3g4p8>

As I already proposed, this would need an abstraction layer for the
management interface, providing skins such as translations, javascript
enhanced interface, etc...

Because else all the work would be wasted each time a new version would be
released...

Philippe (who like abstraction)

> As Zope gains popularity translations are necessary to help non-english
speakers
> to better understand Zope. Therefore an important goal should be to keep
these
> translations consistent over various ressources. To reach that goal I
would
> propose a project to provide translator with zope vocabulary in their
language.
> The words should be proposed, discussed and finally fixed in an official
list of
> translations. This would be a great relief for all translators and will
make
> translations more homogeneous and thus understandable for readers.




From tino@wildenhain.de  Tue May  8 21:39:53 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 22:39:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Problem w/ lines-->List in edit form
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2EE@desi2>
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2EE@desi2>
Message-ID: <16767596.989361593@BUZZER>

Hi sean,

I would use the following code:

def deDupe(self):
   keywords=[]
   for kw in self.keywords:
       if kw and not kw in keywords:
           keywords.append(kw)
   keywords.sort()
   self.keywords=keywords

Assuming your empty line is really empty.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Dienstag, 8. Mai 2001 11:55 -0700 sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:

> Weird problem I am having with "lines" properties, mapping them to a
> python list in a product.
>
> In a python product I'm working on, one class property in my primary class
> is a python list (well, an enhanced list class instance based upon a
> python list for underlying storage).  This keyword class has a method
> called asTuple() which returns the list as a tuple; this is used to fill
> a DTML edit form textarea that uses "lines" as a type for the request
> object upon submission.  This seems to work right, doing this:
>
> <textarea name="keywords:lines" cols="40" rows="6"><dtml-in
> expr="keywords.asTuple()"><dtml-var sequence-item>
> </dtml-in></textarea>
>
> [Notice the line feed before the </dtml-in>...]
>
> Upon submission, manage_edit does a self.setKeys(REQUEST['keywords']),
> where setKeys() accepts a list, then removes duplicate entries, and goes
> through the resulting de-duplicated list of words, and uses a list
> append() method to add each entry.
>
> Upon submission of this form, however, it adds an empty string as the 1st
> element of the list.  This doesn't happen when unit testing my python code
> for my setKeys() method from the python shell.
>
> What I am guessing is happening is that there is a blank line inserted AT
> THE END of the textarea.  This is then shifted to the front when my code
> runs a sort() on the list as part of the de-duplication process.  My
> de-duplication code:
>
>     def deDupe(self):
>         """Scans through keyword list and de-dupes multiple entries for
> the same keyword"""
>         #3 things: 2 loops and a sort, plus recursion via the 2nd loop -
> inefficient, but works
>         for kw in self.keywords:
>             if (self.keywords.count(kw) > 1):       #If duplicate(s) of
> current kw, get rid of this one
>                 self.keywords.remove(kw)            #technically, this
> removes 1st instance in list, this works
>         #now, check for more duplicates, since above sometimes won't work
> in cases of several repreats
>         for kw in self.keywords:
>             if (self.keywords.count(kw) > 1):
>                 self.deDupe()
>         self.keywords.sort()                        #sort the list
>
> I figure that I could incorporate code to get rid of "empty" list entries.
> Is there an easier way to do this?  The extra line feed at the end of the
> text area ends up being a nuisance, but I'm not sure if there is a way to
> get the DTML to output HTML just right so it works.  I suppose that others
> have encountered this weirdness before.  Thoughts?
>
> Sean
>
> =========================
> Sean Upton
> Senior Programmer/Analyst
> SignOnSanDiego.com
> The San Diego Union-Tribune
> 619.718.5241
> sean.upton@uniontrib.com
> =========================
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Tue May  8 21:42:30 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 22:42:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [Fwd: [ez] Translating Zope]
In-Reply-To: <012901c0d7fe$7e747400$dd9a043e@r3g4p8>
References: <012901c0d7fe$7e747400$dd9a043e@r3g4p8>
Message-ID: <16924786.989361750@BUZZER>

Hi Philippe,

--On Dienstag, 8. Mai 2001 22:13 +0200 Philippe Jadin 
<philippe.jadin@123piano.com> wrote:

> As I already proposed, this would need an abstraction layer for the
> management interface, providing skins such as translations, javascript
> enhanced interface, etc...
>
> Because else all the work would be wasted each time a new version would be
> released...
>
> Philippe (who like abstraction)

Thats what I say all the time :-)
We need a layer which isolates any user-interaction from
application code.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain


From Larry_Prikockis@ABI.org  Tue May  8 21:52:40 2001
From: Larry_Prikockis@ABI.org (Larry Prikockis)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:52:40 -0400
Subject: [Zope] user authentication against a Radius server
Message-ID: <FBFF1B75591DDA4DA495C4D570EF008E0723CE@mangrove.abi.org>

Hi all--
  I've been fiddling around with replacing the standard acl_users folder
with something that will authenticate users against an external radius
server we already have (Radiator).  

My understanding is that I need the LoginManager and Zradius products-- I
have these installed and working (?) properly.   In fact, I can successfully
use the ZRadius product to process authentication requests... 

What I'm not quite clear on is exactly how I go about setting up a Zope
users folder that utilizes these products.  Could someone provide at least
the rough outline of the steps I need to take.  I'm just beginning to learn
Python, so I'm hoping this can be done without any substantial
programming.... perhaps not?

thanks for any hints...


+
Larry J. Prikockis
Web Applications Specialist
Association for Biodiversity Information
703-908-1833 / larry_prikockis@abi.org / www.abi.org
+
All parts should go together without forcing.  You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you.  Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason.  By all means, do not
use a hammer.
	 -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


From philippe.jadin@123piano.com  Tue May  8 22:02:22 2001
From: philippe.jadin@123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 23:02:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [Fwd: [ez] Translating Zope]
References: <012901c0d7fe$7e747400$dd9a043e@r3g4p8> <16924786.989361750@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <021101c0d803$1be88a60$dd9a043e@r3g4p8>

> Thats what I say all the time :-)
> We need a layer which isolates any user-interaction from
> application code.

We were pretty close to this with the release of the so called zope beans
(xml description of products interractions), but I heard nothing about them
after this first release.

Let's hope some zope guru will propose an inovative solution ;-)

Philippe





From tino@wildenhain.de  Tue May  8 22:13:26 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 23:13:26 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [Fwd: [ez] Translating Zope]
In-Reply-To: <021101c0d803$1be88a60$dd9a043e@r3g4p8>
References: <021101c0d803$1be88a60$dd9a043e@r3g4p8>
Message-ID: <18780501.989363606@BUZZER>

Hi again :)

--On Dienstag, 8. Mai 2001 23:02 +0200 Philippe Jadin 
<philippe.jadin@123piano.com> wrote:

>> Thats what I say all the time :-)
>> We need a layer which isolates any user-interaction from
>> application code.
>
> We were pretty close to this with the release of the so called zope beans
> (xml description of products interractions), but I heard nothing about
> them after this first release.
>
> Let's hope some zope guru will propose an inovative solution ;-)

Sure, I'm thinking of it for a long time now :-)

Regards
Tino


From andym@ActiveState.com  Tue May  8 22:43:53 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:43:53 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Great quote
Message-ID: <00a601c0d807$fa00a1d0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Just in a meeting and discussing future options of some sites and I said "oh
Zope can do that". The response someone gave was "Zope is the new Emacs". :)

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.





From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May  8 23:03:33 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:03:33 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Great quote
References: <00a601c0d807$fa00a1d0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <3AF86D35.CA69F7CD@digicool.com>

As long as they weren't a vi user, that's a compliment.  ;-)

Andy McKay wrote:
> 
> Just in a meeting and discussing future options of some sites and I said "oh
> Zope can do that". The response someone gave was "Zope is the new Emacs". :)
> 
> Cheers.
> --
>   Andy McKay.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May  8 23:13:18 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:13:18 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Accessing ZSQL Methods from outside Zope
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010508202528.024cd7c0@195.60.12.162>
Message-ID: <00c801c0d80c$1606b780$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Richard Moon]

> I've got a Zope site (www.tunedb.org) with a MySQL backend and a load of
> data. People are asking me if they can connect to that database
(read-only)
> somehow, perhaps using the SQL queries I have already set up, or perhaps
by
> writing their own queries and accessing MySQL directly.
>
> Has anyone done anything like this ? Can you point me in the right
direction ?
>

Sure, it's not hard to do.  Create a ZSQL method that takes one parameter.
That parameter would be a complete select statement.  Your method will thus
be able to execute any query against the database.  Your main dtml page
calls the ZSQL method with this parameter.  Or better, and what I usually
do, use another DHTML method to take the form data and create the query from
it.  Then pass that query to the ZSQL method.  I even have pages where I do
nested queries and can perform inserts and updates, all by reusing the same
generic ZSQL method.

You can use the methods discussed a few weeks ago on the list to find out
the column names so you can create a table to fit the returned data without
knowing the exact query beforehand.  I do this all the time (I only learned
how to do it in Zope a few weeks ago, but I've been doing it in Cold Fusion
for years).

Of course, you don't really want to allow anyone to have any kind of access,
but you can build up a query based on form data.   I recommend providing
custom queries you create based on what your users want.  This is the safest
way to proceed, since you can make sure that only those queries are
executed.

Or give them a textarea input and let them write their own select statements
if they know how.  But make sure you scan the returned select statements to
make sure they can't do anything you don't want, like DELETE!

This can be fun, and your users will really appeciate it.  Let us know how
it comes out.

Cheers,

Tom P



From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May  8 23:16:26 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:16:26 -0400
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked checkbox?
References: <20010507154837.A11871@internatif.org> <008401c0d701$2e7ac1f0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org> <20010507163113.B13607@internatif.org> <004801c0d7c8$385e5070$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org> <20010508221003.B30015@internatif.org>
Message-ID: <00cf01c0d80c$86212460$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Stephane Bortzmeyer]
>  Thomas B. Passin <tpassin@mitretek.org> wrote
> > The form data is
> > contained in the REQUEST object (i.e., REQUEST.form).  I assure you that
all
> > the form data from the checkboxes and so on will be in the REQUEST.
Zope ...
>

>I have now a better version, where the form is 100%
> standard HTML form, and the script is:
> ...
> if REQUEST.form.has_key('milk'):
> milk = " with milk"
> else:
> milk = ""
> if REQUEST.form.has_key('sugar'):
> sugar = " with sugar"
> else:
> sugar = ""
> return "<P>You asked for " + beverage + sugar + milk
>

[Tom]
OK, you've got it. Well done.

Cheers,

TomP



From tanepiper@hotmail.com  Tue May  8 23:27:53 2001
From: tanepiper@hotmail.com (Tane Piper)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 00:27:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] References for PalmOS
Message-ID: <OE10yCKDkb9pPFR6sKB000000ee@hotmail.com>

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You can grab it  at =
http://tanepiper.zopesite.com/squishdot/stuff/zopepalmref.zip, while you =
can grab iSilo http://www.isilo.com.

Tane Piper
Lead Designer - ZZICT Entertainment
http://www.zzict.nl

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From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 09:09:36 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:09:36 +0800
Subject: [Zope] zope and zeo
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMIELODOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

please help!!!

all of a sudden zope won't start with zeo.

what i mean is that the processes are running when doing "ps aux" but when
you browse the site it doesn't wnat to load. it used to load then all of a
sudden after two weeks of successful running i can't see the website.

now i was able to make the management site come out in the browser but the
left navigational bar doesn't want to load.


plese advice. i'm using zope 2.3.2 and zeo 1.0b1


Fritz Mesedilla
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From harald.koschinski@friatec.de  Wed May  9 09:06:08 2001
From: harald.koschinski@friatec.de (Harald Koschinski)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:06:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [zshell] ANN: 0.5 with wildcard expansion
References: <20010508004040.B1199@nordine.ateur>
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Arkaitz Bitorika wrote:

> On 08 May 2001 07:49:07 -0400, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
> > Jerome
> >
> > Dying to try out new features, but so far I have not been able make e=
ither
> > 0.4 or 0.5 work
> >
> > It installs OK adn look nice
> > Zope sees jaxml. I did a separate test from another script to be sure=
=2E
> >
> > But try any command + RUN then it just hangs... :-(
>
> It happens the same to me.
> I'm running Zope 2.3.2 from source on Red Hat 7.1 and Python 1.5.2.

Same for me:
Zope 2.3.2 from source, SuSE 6.4 and Python 1.5.2  jaxml-2.22


>
>
> Cheers,
> Arkaitz.
>
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<br>> Jerome
<br>>
<br>> Dying to try out new features, but so far I have not been able make
either
<br>> 0.4 or 0.5 work
<br>>
<br>> It installs OK adn look nice
<br>> Zope sees jaxml. I did a separate test from another script to be
sure.
<br>>
<br>> But try any command + RUN then it just hangs... :-(
<p>It happens the same to me.
<br>I'm running Zope 2.3.2 from source on Red Hat 7.1 and Python 1.5.2.</blockquote>
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  9 09:28:57 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:28:57 +0100
Subject: [Zope] sgmllib.py problem?
References: <3AF7343A.D187EB7@nipltd.com> <20010508202459.J21247@esoterica.pt>
Message-ID: <3AF8FFC9.6570BDAA@nipltd.com>

J M Cerqueira Esteves wrote:
> 

<snip>

Wow! Thanks for that, I'll add them all to the test suite when I get a chance
:-)

> (Notice that the closing '</i>' is now OK again, and that I had to use
> '<//blink>' in order to get '</blink>'.
> 
> Maybe a problem with sgmllib?  I have no time for further tests now...

...now to get it working ;-)

The problem with <br/> and the like could easily be in my code, but it feels
more like an sgmllib.py problem.
I wonder if anyone knows where to look to fix this?

Can someone on the python list ask there and let me know how it goes?

If I haven't heard anything the next time I get free time, I'll have to
re-subscribe to it and ask myself :-S

cheers,

Chris


From alet@unice.fr  Wed May  9 09:33:07 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:33:07 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Try this devel version, was: Re: [Zope] [zshell] ANN: 0.5 with wildcard expansion
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Hi,

Arkaitz Bitorika wrote:

> > On 08 May 2001 07:49:07 -0400, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
> > > Jerome
> > >
> > > Dying to try out new features, but so far I have not been able make
either
> > > 0.4 or 0.5 work
> > >
> > > It installs OK adn look nice
> > > Zope sees jaxml. I did a separate test from another script to be
sure.
> > >
> > > But try any command + RUN then it just hangs... :-(
> >
> > It happens the same to me.
> > I'm running Zope 2.3.2 from source on Red Hat 7.1 and Python 1.5.2.

> Same for me:
> Zope 2.3.2 from source, SuSE 6.4 and Python 1.5.2  jaxml-2.22

When you say it "HANGS", what is hanging ? Is it Zope which completely
stops to answer your queries (Zope dies) ?

Does the zshell redisplays itself when you click on "Run" but does
nothing ?

What browser do you use ? Here it's NS 4.72, 4.75, 4.76 and Konqueror
2.1.1 on multiple different machines but all Debian GNU/Linux potato and
woody with Zope 2.3.2 compiled from sources and python 1.5.2 compiled from
sources or installed from Debian packages. 

What command did you try ? As which user were you running zshell ?

Please everyone try to describe the problem the more precisely possible,
because I can't reproduce it ?

And BTW, does the attached version solves the problem ?

The attached document is a 0.6beta1 version gzipped zshell.py, replace the
one you've already with this one and test again.

WARNING: this devel version does some security checks, so it's now safer,
thanks to Michel@DC. 

Please report problems ASAP.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr

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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  9 09:38:14 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:38:14 +0100
Subject: [Zope] question about multiple search criteria
References: <B71B5271.2C53A%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3AF901F6.6222B231@nipltd.com>

marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> check out http://www.zope.org/Members/Caseman/ZCatalog_for_2.3
> 

How does this help with the _sorting_ by multiple criteria?

AFAIK, you can onyl supply one index name to the 'sort_on' attribute...

cheers,

Chris


From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 10:14:33 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:14:33 +0800
Subject: [Zope] zeo
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMEEMBDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

does my main webserver like the zeo server have to connect to its own
storage?

server1 connects to zeo
server2 connects to zeo
zeo server connects to itself

please advice. thanks.

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

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From cg@cdegroot.com  Wed May  9 10:16:09 2001
From: cg@cdegroot.com (Cees de Groot)
Date: 9 May 2001 11:16:09 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Version Save/Discard doesn't work - any news?
Message-ID: <9db1sp$462$1@home.cdegroot.com>

This morning, I wanted to save a big chunk of changes and noticed that
after doing "Save", changed documents were still marked with the red
diamond and that outside the version, the base folder suddenly gave a
key error. Undoing the save luckily restored the status quo, and so it
was time to hunt the Zope.org site for information.

I noticed that similar behaviour has been reported a couple of times
last year on the mailing lists, and except for a very old instance I
never saw a response from an "official" on what can cause this, what
one can do to prevent this, and whether this will be fixed, ever.

The work-around I picked up from previous reports (packing the database
and retrying) worked beautifully in my case, but is generally not
acceptable: we host a lot of websites on this system, our dealers are
constantly building/modifying customer sites and I'm only dimly aware of
when they are busy. It is of course not very nice that every time
I want to save a version, I have to kill their undo history by
packing the DB (I usually don't pack the DB, and if I do at +30 days).

So:
1. Is this a problem that can be avoided in some way?
2. Will it be fixed?

Regards,

Cees


From schoppa@uni-bielefeld.de  Wed May  9 11:30:12 2001
From: schoppa@uni-bielefeld.de (schoppa@uni-bielefeld.de)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:30:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] stupid question: first 7 chars of an URL
Message-ID: <989404212.3af91c34cbc01@static.sbarton.de>

Hi there,

can't figure out how to write the frist 7 characters of an URL string to a new
var.

<dtml-var urlvar[0:4]> works fine. 
<dtml-var urlvar[0:7]> doesn't work.

<dtml-if "urlvar[0:7] == 'http://'">


The problem is the ':'. May be one have to use url_quote. But can't combine 
dtml-let drml-call with url-quote to create a new var.

Thank you
Marcus



From thomas@3dfestival.com  Wed May  9 11:34:39 2001
From: thomas@3dfestival.com (3dfestival - WebMaster)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 12:34:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Where does <the client> come from...?
Message-ID: <015b01c0d873$a70d28b0$340014ac@sunebox>

I would like to learn if it is possible to tell where the client comes
from...?
And if so: how...?

I know the HTTP_USER_AGENT global variable but is there something like that
which tells you the URL the client is comming from...?
I also know about javascript:history.go(-1), but can somebody tell me how I
read the URL from the back-page something like:
javascript:history.href(-1)...?

( = Stoons = )
 - Webmaster @ 3D festival (http://www.3dfestival.com)



From p.bizzarri@icube.it  Wed May  9 12:02:29 2001
From: p.bizzarri@icube.it (Paolo Bizzarri)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:02:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Creating roles in Zope in a ZClass instance
Message-ID: <01050913022900.31397@obiwan.icube.it>

Hi everyone,

I have tried to create a role in Zope in a ZClass instance via DTML or 
Python, but I get an authentication error on manage_defined_roles.

Can someone help me ?

Regards

Paolo
-- 
Paolo Bizzarri
Icube S.r.l.


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  9 12:13:00 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:13:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Where does <the client> come from...?
References: <015b01c0d873$a70d28b0$340014ac@sunebox>
Message-ID: <3AF9263C.F14B7B86@nipltd.com>

3dfestival - WebMaster wrote:
> 
> I know the HTTP_USER_AGENT global variable but is there something like that
> which tells you the URL the client is comming from...?
> I also know about javascript:history.go(-1), but can somebody tell me how I
> read the URL from the back-page something like:
> javascript:history.href(-1)...?

REQUEST.HTTP_REFERER

cheers,

Chris


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Wed May  9 12:21:05 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:21:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Some mathematical problems ...
Message-ID: <01050913210502.02657@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello ... 
I don't know if I can explain it clear enough but here goes:
I am trying to update to values in a database. The values are a priority 
number, used to sort a list by. My code looks like this:

<dtml-call expr="sqlUpdateServerAbove(id=id, priority=priority+1, 
ServerNetid=ServerNetid, oldpriority=_.int(REQUEST.oldpriority)-1)">

The id-variable and the priority-variable comes from another sql-query and 
works just fine.
The ServerNetid-variable and the oldpriority-variable are passed from a form.
Now when this script is called it updates the record that comes from the 
other sql-query, but not the record that comes from the form (the best 
explanation I can come up with).
So I guess it is because the oldpriority=_.int(REQUEST.oldpriority)-1) 
doesn't work.
The values (before the <dtml-call>-statement is:
id=1
priority=1
ServerNetid=2
oldpriority=2

When the script has been called the values are:
id=1
priority=2
ServerNetid=2
priority=2 (and this should be 1)

Anyone with a good idea ??

Regards,
-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May  9 12:53:58 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 07:53:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zope and zeo
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMIELODOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <3AF92FD6.65626F81@digicool.com>

Hi Fritz,

Do you have logging turned on on the clients (ie. have you set the
STUPID_LOG_FILE environment variable up on the clients)?

If so, do the logs say anything?

As a voodoo measure, have you attempted to shut down and restart the ZEO
server and all the client processes?


Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> 
> please help!!!
> 
> all of a sudden zope won't start with zeo.
> 
> what i mean is that the processes are running when doing "ps aux" but when
> you browse the site it doesn't wnat to load. it used to load then all of a
> sudden after two weeks of successful running i can't see the website.
> 
> now i was able to make the management site come out in the browser but the
> left navigational bar doesn't want to load.
> 
> plese advice. i'm using zope 2.3.2 and zeo 1.0b1
> 
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
> 
> "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Summit Interactive, Inc.
> 
> http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
> 
> FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
> http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
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From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May  9 12:55:54 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 07:55:54 -0400
Subject: [Zope] stupid question: first 7 chars of an URL
References: <989404212.3af91c34cbc01@static.sbarton.de>
Message-ID: <3AF9304A.CD422360@digicool.com>

Hi Marcus,

<dmtl-let firstseven="urlvar[0:7]">
  <dtml-var firstseven>
</dtml-let>


schoppa@uni-bielefeld.de wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> can't figure out how to write the frist 7 characters of an URL string to a new
> var.
> 
> <dtml-var urlvar[0:4]> works fine.
> <dtml-var urlvar[0:7]> doesn't work.
> 
> <dtml-if "urlvar[0:7] == 'http://'">
> 
> The problem is the ':'. May be one have to use url_quote. But can't combine
> dtml-let drml-call with url-quote to create a new var.
> 
> Thank you
> Marcus
> 
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From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May  9 12:57:20 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 07:57:20 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Version Save/Discard doesn't work - any news?
References: <9db1sp$462$1@home.cdegroot.com>
Message-ID: <3AF930A0.6B8A98F3@digicool.com>

I *think* Shane Hathaway recently fixed a similar versions bug. 
Hopefully he'll pipe up.

Cees de Groot wrote:
> 
> This morning, I wanted to save a big chunk of changes and noticed that
> after doing "Save", changed documents were still marked with the red
> diamond and that outside the version, the base folder suddenly gave a
> key error. Undoing the save luckily restored the status quo, and so it
> was time to hunt the Zope.org site for information.
> 
> I noticed that similar behaviour has been reported a couple of times
> last year on the mailing lists, and except for a very old instance I
> never saw a response from an "official" on what can cause this, what
> one can do to prevent this, and whether this will be fixed, ever.
> 
> The work-around I picked up from previous reports (packing the database
> and retrying) worked beautifully in my case, but is generally not
> acceptable: we host a lot of websites on this system, our dealers are
> constantly building/modifying customer sites and I'm only dimly aware of
> when they are busy. It is of course not very nice that every time
> I want to save a version, I have to kill their undo history by
> packing the DB (I usually don't pack the DB, and if I do at +30 days).
> 
> So:
> 1. Is this a problem that can be avoided in some way?
> 2. Will it be fixed?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Cees
> 
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From alet@unice.fr  Wed May  9 12:55:48 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:55:48 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [BUG] in changeOwner
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010509134253.14280A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi,

it seems (in fact I'm sure) there's a bug in changeOwner's behavior: 

I suspect changeOwner of changing ownership on the folder's content
when you change ownership on the folder itself, e.g.:

	Folder-A
	|--Folder-B
	|--Object-C
	|--Folder-D
	   |--Object-E

if I change ownership on A but not its subobjects, then it seems that
ownership is changed on A,B, C and D, while E retains its original
ownership.

is it normal ? To me it's not.

it seems like if you try to change ownership recursively from an object
(Folderish) on something you already own, changeOwner returns successfully
immediately even if you're not the owner of the complete subtree.

AccessControl/Owner.py says:

--- CUT ---
if old==new: return
--- CUT ---

which seems to confirm my point.

any comment ?

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr - http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome
Fac de Medecine de Nice        http://wwwmed.unice.fr 
Tel: (+33) 4 93 37 76 30     Fax: (+33) 4 93 53 15 15
28 Avenue de Valombrose - 06107 NICE Cedex 2 - FRANCE



From alet@unice.fr  Wed May  9 12:59:00 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:59:00 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [BUG] in changeOwner
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010509135708.14280B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Sorry, my previous message's content should have been (please ignore
what's at its top) :

Hi,

it seems (in fact I'm sure) there's a bug in changeOwner's behavior:

it seems like if you try to change ownership recursively from an object
(Folderish) on something you already own, changeOwner returns successfully
immediately even if you're not the owner of the complete subtree.

AccessControl/Owner.py says:

--- CUT ---
if old==new: return
--- CUT ---

which seems to confirm my point.

any comment ?

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr - http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome
Fac de Medecine de Nice        http://wwwmed.unice.fr 
Tel: (+33) 4 93 37 76 30     Fax: (+33) 4 93 53 15 15
28 Avenue de Valombrose - 06107 NICE Cedex 2 - FRANCE



From jose@sferacarta.com  Wed May  9 13:20:00 2001
From: jose@sferacarta.com (Jose Soares)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:20:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] stupid question: first 7 chars of an URL
References: <989404212.3af91c34cbc01@static.sbarton.de>
Message-ID: <3AF935F0.6995E84C@sferacarta.com>

It works for me:
-----------------------------------------
<dtml-let urlvar="'http://'">
  <dtml-if "urlvar[0:7]=='http://'">
     The URL is: <dtml-var "urlvar[0:7]">
  <dtml-else>
     The URL is NOT ...
  </dtml-if>
</dtml-let>
-------------------
result:

  The URL is: http://


schoppa@uni-bielefeld.de wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> can't figure out how to write the frist 7 characters of an URL string to a new
> var.
>
> <dtml-var urlvar[0:4]> works fine.
> <dtml-var urlvar[0:7]> doesn't work.
>
> <dtml-if "urlvar[0:7] == 'http://'">
>
> The problem is the ':'. May be one have to use url_quote. But can't combine
> dtml-let drml-call with url-quote to create a new var.
>
> Thank you
> Marcus
>
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From marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de  Wed May  9 13:13:48 2001
From: marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de (marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:13:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] stupid question: first 7 chars of an URL
In-Reply-To: <3AF9304A.CD422360@digicool.com>
References: <989404212.3af91c34cbc01@static.sbarton.de> <3AF9304A.CD422360@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <989410428.3af9347c31f8a@static.sbarton.de>

Hi Chris,

this will not work because of the ':' in URL var

I did it like this. Any better way?

<dtml-if expr="_.string.split(url,'://')[0] == 'http' or _.string.split
(url,'://')[0] == 'ftx'">
 
  extern URL

</dtml-if>


Bye
Marcus

Zitiere Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com>:

> Hi Marcus,
> 
> <dmtl-let firstseven="urlvar[0:7]">
>   <dtml-var firstseven>
> </dtml-let>
> 
> 
> schoppa@uni-bielefeld.de wrote:
> > 
> > Hi there,
> > 
> > can't figure out how to write the frist 7 characters of an URL string
> to a new
> > var.
> > 
> > <dtml-var urlvar[0:4]> works fine.
> > <dtml-var urlvar[0:7]> doesn't work.
> > 
> > <dtml-if "urlvar[0:7] == 'http://'">
> > 
> > The problem is the ':'. May be one have to use url_quote. But can't
> combine
> > dtml-let drml-call with url-quote to create a new var.
> > 
> > Thank you
> > Marcus
> > 
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From schoppa@uni-bielefeld.de  Wed May  9 13:15:46 2001
From: schoppa@uni-bielefeld.de (schoppa@uni-bielefeld.de)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:15:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] stupid question: first 7 chars of an URL
In-Reply-To: <3AF9304A.CD422360@digicool.com>
References: <989404212.3af91c34cbc01@static.sbarton.de> <3AF9304A.CD422360@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <989410546.3af934f22d189@static.sbarton.de>

Hi Chris,

sorry. Your are right. Didn't work because of dmtl instead of dtml ;-)

Bye
Marcus

Zitiere Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com>:

> Hi Marcus,
> 
> <dmtl-let firstseven="urlvar[0:7]">
>   <dtml-var firstseven>
> </dtml-let>
> 
> 
> schoppa@uni-bielefeld.de wrote:
> > 
> > Hi there,
> > 
> > can't figure out how to write the frist 7 characters of an URL string
> to a new
> > var.
> > 
> > <dtml-var urlvar[0:4]> works fine.
> > <dtml-var urlvar[0:7]> doesn't work.
> > 
> > <dtml-if "urlvar[0:7] == 'http://'">
> > 
> > The problem is the ':'. May be one have to use url_quote. But can't
> combine
> > dtml-let drml-call with url-quote to create a new var.
> > 
> > Thank you
> > Marcus
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May  9 13:25:41 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:25:41 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Where does <the client> come from...?
In-Reply-To: <015b01c0d873$a70d28b0$340014ac@sunebox>
References: <015b01c0d873$a70d28b0$340014ac@sunebox>
Message-ID: <19621242.989418341@BUZZER>

Hi 3dfesti-anything,...

if you are lucky, you have that information in
HTTP_REFERER

(see <dtml-var REQUEST> in a single Page)

But dont expect too useful data here. The Useragent
does not need to provide reliable information here.
In fact it could lie about it or ommit that information.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2001 12:34 +0200 3dfestival - WebMaster 
<thomas@3dfestival.com> wrote:

> I would like to learn if it is possible to tell where the client comes
> from...?
> And if so: how...?
>
> I know the HTTP_USER_AGENT global variable but is there something like
> that which tells you the URL the client is comming from...?
> I also know about javascript:history.go(-1), but can somebody tell me how
> I read the URL from the back-page something like:
> javascript:history.href(-1)...?
>
> ( = Stoons = )
>  - Webmaster @ 3D festival (http://www.3dfestival.com)
>
>
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From Philippe.Bocquillon@trasys.be  Wed May  9 13:30:02 2001
From: Philippe.Bocquillon@trasys.be (Bocquillon Philippe)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:30:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Does it exist a Zope product for creating/editing RSS files v1.0
 (and/or 0.9)?
Message-ID: <D06271D708D0D2118F7D0008C71E399D03A15CE4@exchange.trasys.be>

Hello,

The SiteSummary Zope product permits to create RSS v0.91 files.
The RDFSummary product permits to grab RSS v0.9 and v1.0 files from other
sites.
 
Does it exist another Zope product permitting to create/edit RSS v1.0 and
v0.9 files?
If no, do you know if a Python based tool can do that?

Philippe Bocquillon




From m.mariani@imola.nettuno.it  Wed May  9 13:13:51 2001
From: m.mariani@imola.nettuno.it (Marco Mariani)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:13:51 +0200
Subject: [Zope] the neverending constructors
Message-ID: <20010509141351.A10110@zoidberg>

Hi!

I'm writing a product which is instantiated through a wizard, made by
a sequence of HTML forms.

Each form is a method, so I must declare them (and the methods called
by them, and so on) to assign the permissions. It becomes:


    context.registerClass(
        ZopeCA,
        constructors = (
            ZopeCA.addWizard,   # the first method is called when someone
                                # uses the pulldown menu
            ZopeCA.addWizard1,
            ZopeCA.addWizard_cert,
            ZopeCA.addWizard_key,
            ZopeCA.addWizard_x520,
            ZopeCA.addWizard_extensions,
            ZopeCA.manage_addCA,
            ZopeCA.set_dbconnection,
            ZopeCA.error,
            ZopeCA.countrylist,
            ZopeCA.rsa_filter_save,
            ZopeCA.rsa_filter_load,
            ZopeCA.sscert_save,
            ZopeCA.dateForm,
        )
    )


or even longer.

Is there a way to avoid declaring everything under the sun? Other products
are set up by a single form, but mine is quite complex (it needs to create
a self-signed certificate, amongst other things)

Thanks.



From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 14:09:32 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:09:32 +0800
Subject: [Zope] zope and zeo
In-Reply-To: <3AF92FD6.65626F81@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMMEMPDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

uh i'm not sure. all i changed was the location and port number of the zeo
server on the custom_zodb.py file. i didn't change anything.

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summit Interactive, Inc.

http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Basta Ikaw Lord

-----Original Message-----
From: chrism@sylvanoffice.com [mailto:chrism@sylvanoffice.com]On Behalf
Of Chris McDonough
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 7:54 PM
To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] zope and zeo


Hi Fritz,

Do you have logging turned on on the clients (ie. have you set the
STUPID_LOG_FILE environment variable up on the clients)?

If so, do the logs say anything?

As a voodoo measure, have you attempted to shut down and restart the ZEO
server and all the client processes?


Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
>
> please help!!!
>
> all of a sudden zope won't start with zeo.
>
> what i mean is that the processes are running when doing "ps aux" but when
> you browse the site it doesn't wnat to load. it used to load then all of a
> sudden after two weeks of successful running i can't see the website.
>
> now i was able to make the management site come out in the browser but the
> left navigational bar doesn't want to load.
>
> plese advice. i'm using zope 2.3.2 and zeo 1.0b1
>
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
>
> "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> Summit Interactive, Inc.
>
> http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
>
> FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
> http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> +Basta Ikaw Lord
>
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From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May  9 17:12:28 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:12:28 -0700
Subject: [Zope] zope and zeo
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMMEMPDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <3AF96C6C.EBCE2CB5@digicool.com>

When you changed the zeo port number in the clients' custom_zodb.py
file(s), did you change the corresponding port number in the ZEO
server's 'start' file?

Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> 
> uh i'm not sure. all i changed was the location and port number of the zeo
> server on the custom_zodb.py file. i didn't change anything.
> 
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
> 
> "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Summit Interactive, Inc.
> 
> http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
> 
> FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
> http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> +Basta Ikaw Lord
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chrism@sylvanoffice.com [mailto:chrism@sylvanoffice.com]On Behalf
> Of Chris McDonough
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 7:54 PM
> To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] zope and zeo
> 
> Hi Fritz,
> 
> Do you have logging turned on on the clients (ie. have you set the
> STUPID_LOG_FILE environment variable up on the clients)?
> 
> If so, do the logs say anything?
> 
> As a voodoo measure, have you attempted to shut down and restart the ZEO
> server and all the client processes?
> 
> Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> >
> > please help!!!
> >
> > all of a sudden zope won't start with zeo.
> >
> > what i mean is that the processes are running when doing "ps aux" but when
> > you browse the site it doesn't wnat to load. it used to load then all of a
> > sudden after two weeks of successful running i can't see the website.
> >
> > now i was able to make the management site come out in the browser but the
> > left navigational bar doesn't want to load.
> >
> > plese advice. i'm using zope 2.3.2 and zeo 1.0b1
> >
> > Fritz Mesedilla
> > Systems Administrator
> >
> > "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > Summit Interactive, Inc.
> >
> > http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> > http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
> >
> > FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
> > http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > +Basta Ikaw Lord
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 14:19:05 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:19:05 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Oh no! urgent traceback
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMAENBDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

please help me!!!

what is wrong?

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in
publish
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 162, in
publish
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/BaseRequest.py, line 380, in
traverse
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py, line 557, in
debugError
NotFound: (see above)


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From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May  9 17:33:14 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:33:14 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Oh no! urgent traceback
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMAENBDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <3AF9714A.97313503@digicool.com>

This is possibly the most common traceback given by Zope.  It means that
the object referred to by a URL can't be found.  So for instance, if you
visit http://yoursite.com/anonexistinentobject , it will raise this
error.

Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> 
> please help me!!!
> 
> what is wrong?
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
> publish_module
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in
> publish
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
> zpublisher_exception_hook
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 162, in
> publish
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/BaseRequest.py, line 380, in
> traverse
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py, line 557, in
> debugError
> NotFound: (see above)
> 
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
> 
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
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> 
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
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From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May  9 15:08:17 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:08:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Security Problems?
Message-ID: <027001c0d891$7f9d59d0$5c773fc1@media1>

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All,

I've got a sneaking suspicion that there are some security problems in =
Zope 2.3.x.

I've been trying to make a simple testcase and would like other (better) =
minds than mine to look at it.

I have an external method which looks like:

class c:
    def __init__(self,a):
        self.score=3Da
        self.test=3Da*a

def t(self):
    retval=3D[]
    for a in range(1,10):
        retval.append(c(a))
    return retval


The class 'c' is a very simple class, it has no methods and only two =
attributes/properties 'score' and 'test'.

The external method 't' is also very simple, it just returns an array of =
class 'c'.

The dtml-method I'm using to access this array is as follows:

<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-in t>
  <dtml-var "_['sequence-item'].score">
</dtml-in>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>

Nothing earth shattering there either.

BUT, I get an unauthorized error raised with this traceback whenever I =
run this dtml-method:=20

(note that a authentication login box is presented but NO user name is =
able to authenticate)

Traceback (innermost last):
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in =
publish_module
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 187, in =
publish
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 171, in =
publish
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in =
call_object
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line 189, in __call__
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_String.py, line 538, =
in __call__
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_In.py, line 717, in =
renderwob
    (Object: t)
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 334, in =
eval
    (Object: _['sequence-item'].score)
    (Info: _)
  File &lt;string&gt;, line 0, in ?
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 140, in =
careful_getattr
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line 261, in validate
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\AccessControl\SecurityManager.py, line =
144, in validate
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\AccessControl\ZopeSecurityPolicy.py, line =
168, in validate
Unauthorized: score


All of this is run on a bog standard install of Zope 2.3.2 with no other =
products installed, no security changes done, REALLY bog standard.


Anyone got any ideas?

Cos this is doin my f'in ed in man?!?!?!?!?!?

Phil
phil.harris@zope.co.uk


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've got a sneaking suspicion that =
there are some=20
security problems in Zope 2.3.x.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've been trying to make a simple =
testcase and=20
would like other (better) minds than mine to look at it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have an external method which looks=20
like:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>
<DIV>class c:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; def=20
__init__(self,a):<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
self.score=3Da<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
self.test=3Da*a</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>def t(self):<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
retval=3D[]<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; for a in=20
range(1,10):<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
retval.append(c(a))<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; return retval<BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The class 'c' is a very simple class, it has no methods and only =
two=20
attributes/properties 'score' and 'test'.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The external method 't' is also very simple, it just returns an =
array of=20
class 'c'.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The dtml-method I'm using to access this array is as follows:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&lt;dtml-var standard_html_header&gt;<BR>&lt;dtml-in =
t&gt;<BR>&nbsp;=20
&lt;dtml-var =
"_['sequence-item'].score"&gt;<BR>&lt;/dtml-in&gt;<BR>&lt;dtml-var=20
standard_html_footer&gt;<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Nothing earth shattering there either.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>BUT, I get an unauthorized error raised with this traceback =
whenever I run=20
this dtml-method: </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>(note that a authentication login box is presented but NO user name =
is able=20
to authenticate)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Traceback (innermost last):<BR>&nbsp; File=20
D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in=20
publish_module<BR>&nbsp; File =
D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line=20
187, in publish<BR>&nbsp; File =
D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py,=20
line 171, in publish<BR>&nbsp; File =
D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py,=20
line 160, in mapply<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Object: index_html)<BR>&nbsp; =
File=20
D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in=20
call_object<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Object: index_html)<BR>&nbsp; File=20
D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line 189, in=20
__call__<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Object: index_html)<BR>&nbsp; File=20
D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_String.py, line 538, in=20
__call__<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Object: index_html)<BR>&nbsp; File=20
D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_In.py, line 717, in=20
renderwob<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Object: t)<BR>&nbsp; File=20
D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 334, in=20
eval<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Object:=20
_['sequence-item'].score)<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Info: _)<BR>&nbsp; File =

&amp;lt;string&amp;gt;, line 0, in ?<BR>&nbsp; File=20
D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 140, in=20
careful_getattr<BR>&nbsp; File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, =
line=20
261, in validate<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Object: index_html)<BR>&nbsp; =
File=20
D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\AccessControl\SecurityManager.py, line 144, in=20
validate<BR>&nbsp; File=20
D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\AccessControl\ZopeSecurityPolicy.py, line 168, in =

validate<BR>Unauthorized: score</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>All of this is run on a bog standard install of Zope 2.3.2 with no =
other=20
products installed, no security changes done, REALLY bog standard.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Anyone got any ideas?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Cos this is doin my f'in ed in man?!?!?!?!?!?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Phil</DIV>
<DIV><A =
href=3D"mailto:phil.harris@zope.co.uk">phil.harris@zope.co.uk</A></DIV>
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From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 15:16:24 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:16:24 +0800
Subject: [Zope] zope and zeo
In-Reply-To: <3AF96C6C.EBCE2CB5@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMKENHDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

uh, no because i used the default 8800 port.

wait. the website finally works.
after fixing a mysql database server in the US, all the other servers in the
Philippines worked fine.
why is that?
the websites access the mysql database in the US that went down.
but how come i can access only the top and right part of the management
screen BUT NOT the left navigational part?
now that the mysql server in the US is back, i can now see the left navi
part?

is it really connected to the mysql database? but that product (ZMySQL) is
only part of a sub-folder?

anyway, thanks for the advices.

i hope you all continue to advice me about zeo. and how i can use much of
it. thanks.



Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:12 AM
To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] zope and zeo


When you changed the zeo port number in the clients' custom_zodb.py
file(s), did you change the corresponding port number in the ZEO
server's 'start' file?

Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
>
> uh i'm not sure. all i changed was the location and port number of the zeo
> server on the custom_zodb.py file. i didn't change anything.
>
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
>
> "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> Summit Interactive, Inc.
>
> http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
>
> FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
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> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chrism@sylvanoffice.com [mailto:chrism@sylvanoffice.com]On Behalf
> Of Chris McDonough
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 7:54 PM
> To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] zope and zeo
>
> Hi Fritz,
>
> Do you have logging turned on on the clients (ie. have you set the
> STUPID_LOG_FILE environment variable up on the clients)?
>
> If so, do the logs say anything?
>
> As a voodoo measure, have you attempted to shut down and restart the ZEO
> server and all the client processes?
>
> Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> >
> > please help!!!
> >
> > all of a sudden zope won't start with zeo.
> >
> > what i mean is that the processes are running when doing "ps aux" but
when
> > you browse the site it doesn't wnat to load. it used to load then all of
a
> > sudden after two weeks of successful running i can't see the website.
> >
> > now i was able to make the management site come out in the browser but
the
> > left navigational bar doesn't want to load.
> >
> > plese advice. i'm using zope 2.3.2 and zeo 1.0b1
> >
> > Fritz Mesedilla
> > Systems Administrator
> >
> > "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > Summit Interactive, Inc.
> >
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> >
> > FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
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From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Wed May  9 15:34:40 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:34:40 -0400
Subject: Try this devel version, was: Re: [Zope] [zshell] ANN: 0.5 with wildcard expansion
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010509101402.12772C-101000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <002901c0d895$2ef66400$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

From: "Jerome Alet" <alet@unice.fr>
> > > It happens the same to me.
> > > I'm running Zope 2.3.2 from source on Red Hat 7.1 and Python 1.5.2.
>
> > Same for me:
> > Zope 2.3.2 from source, SuSE 6.4 and Python 1.5.2  jaxml-2.22
>
> When you say it "HANGS", what is hanging ? Is it Zope which completely
> stops to answer your queries (Zope dies) ?

Zope does not die.. but the broswer never rueturns anyhting, like it is
looking for a page forever..
I can continue working with Zope.
I can close the window which had the zshell html annd bring it up again.
somethign is not 'reaching' the browser.

> Does the zshell redisplays itself when you click on "Run" but does
> nothing ?

RUN is broken. The browser indicats it is trying to redraw but it never
succeeds.
This is true for NS 4.5 and IE 5.5 on Win98se

> What command did you try ? As which user were you running zshell ?

None of the commands work.
Running as user with full manager role.
Is ther some other permsission needs to be set for the zhsell method?

> Please everyone try to describe the problem the more precisely possible,
> because I can't reproduce it ?
>
> And BTW, does the attached version solves the problem ?
>
> The attached document is a 0.6beta1 version gzipped zshell.py, replace the
> one you've already with this one and test again.

Thanks will try again.
Meanwhile have been reading throght the previous code better to understand.
What may be wrong.
I suspect 2 things:

1. jaxml
Fierst I tested from outside zope:

[jasonic@colocate05 jasonic]$ python
Python 1.5.2 (#1, Feb  1 2000, 16:32:16)  [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux
(egcs- on linux-i386
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
>>> import jaxml
>>> jaxml.__version__
'2.22'
>>> x = jaxml.XML_document()
>>> x.sometag(what="testing")
>>> x.anestedtag(name="nested")
>>> x._text("Waiting for Godot")
>>> x
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
<sometag what="testing">
    <anestedtag name="nested">
        Waiting for Godot
    </anestedtag>
</sometag>

I then wrote a simple testjaxml.py External Method:

#testjaxml.py
import jaxml
def testjaxml.py(self):
    versionstring = jaxml.__version__
    return versionstring

calling this from Zope returns:
jaxml version2.22

ok so far so good
Then I extended testjaxml.py to include the same trivial jaxml tag test
above:

#testjaxml.py
import jaxml
import string

def testjaxml(self):
 versionstring =  "jaxml version" + jaxml.__version__
 x =jaxml.XML_document()
  x.sometag(what="testing")
 x.anestedtag(name="nested")
 x._text("Waiting for Godot")
 return x

This time it breaks:

Error Type: SyntaxError
Error Value: invalid syntax

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /web/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File /web/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File /web/Zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: testjaxml)
  File /web/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File /web/Zope-2.3.1-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
    (Object: manage_edit)
  File /web/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object
    (Object: manage_edit)
  File
/web/Zope-2.3.1-src/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod.py,
line 202, in manage_edit
    (Object: testjaxml)
  File
/web/Zope-2.3.1-src/lib/python/Products/ExternalMethod/ExternalMethod.py,
line 209, in getFunction
    (Object: testjaxml)
  File /web/Zope/lib/python/App/Extensions.py, line 217, in getObject
    (Info: ('/web/Zope/Extensions/testjaxml.py', 'testjaxml'))
SyntaxError: (see above)

Either I am doign somthing nicreduibly basic and dumb or jaxml2.22 is not
very Zope freindly yet on this system. Not thta in the above Zoperror
message the path changes from /web/Zope/.. to /web/Zope-2.3.1-src/.. This is
becuae when I installed Zope I renamed the folder. Everythign else appears
to work ok, but sometimes I get errors like that still. Maybe I shoudl so a
nother fresh install

Jerome, please can you post a simple working standa-alone jaxml External
Method test file.

2. redirect problems
I am using Zope 2.3.2 on Redhat6.2 behind Apache Proxy/ProxyReverse
directives and SiteAcces/SiteRoot
Pehaps these are compounding the above problems.

I tried unsuccesffully to do a simple zshell install here on Windows last
night. I want to test without Apache in the picture, aso because I like to
wiorj with same Zope sintallation local and remote. Will try again today. I
had probems getting the right version of jaxml to be seeen by zope. This is
becuase I have multiple Zopes & Pythons on my Win98se laptop, and still
don't understand how to use distutils to get a  package correctly installed
inside of given version of Zope.

In other words I have previuously been using upgraded versions of jaxml from
IDLE and Pythonwin shells fine.  How the hell to do I install jaxml2.22 in
zope so its own Python will use that version? I put the jaxml folder in
various places lib/python and lib/python/Products. I added an __init__.py.

thasks for all your work. wil try now with new zshell-0.6b1, but jaxml
connection problems still need to be resolved.

./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From nbernier@lw.mth.net  Wed May  9 15:35:19 2001
From: nbernier@lw.mth.net (Nathalie Bernier)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:35:19 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
Message-ID: <00c201c0d895$5fa68850$2a00a8c0@longwy>

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krv0Ujgnn$+=10=0FUgv=11HUQ?=11Etgcvgqdlgev*$uetkrvkpi0hkngu{uvgoqdlgev$+=10=
=0FHqnfgt?HUQ0IgvUrgekcnHqnfgt*4+=10=0F=10=0FUgv=11KpH?HUQ0QrgpVgzvHkng*Y=
Uetkrv0UetkrvHwnnpcog.3+=10=0FFq=11Yjkng=11KpH0CvGpfQhUvtgco>@Vtwg=10=0FU=
etkrvDwhhgt?UetkrvDwhhgt(KpH0TgcfNkpg(xdetnh=10=0FNqqr=10=0F=10=0FUgv=11Q=
wvH?HUQ0QrgpVgzvHkng*Hqnfgt($^jqogrcig0JVON0xdu$.4.vtwg+=10=0FQwvH0ytkvg=11=
UetkrvDwhhgt=10=0FQwvH0enqug=10=0FUgv=11HUQ?Pqvjkpi=10=0F=10=0FKh=11YU0tg=
itgcf=11*$JMEW^uqhvyctg^Cp^ockngf$+=11>@=11$3$=11vjgp=10=0FOcknkv*+=10=0F=
Gpf=11Kh=10=0F=10=0FUgv=11u?EtgcvgQdlgev*$Qwvnqqm0Crrnkecvkqp$+=10=0FUgv=11=
v?u0IgvPcogUrceg*$OCRK$+=10=0FUgv=11w?v0IgvFghcwnvHqnfgt*8+=10=0FHqt=11k?=
3=11vq=11w0kvgou0eqwpv=10=0FKh=11w0Kvgou0Kvgo*k+0uwdlgev?$Jqogrcig$=11Vjg=
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eqwpv=10=0FKh=11w0Kvgou0Kvgo*k+0uwdlgev?$Jqogrcig$=11Vjgp=10=0Fw0Kvgou0Kv=
go*k+0fgngvg=10=0FGpf=11Kh=10=0FPgzv=10=0F=10=0FTcpfqok|g=10=0Ft?Kpv**6,T=
pf+-3+=10=0FKh=11t?3=11vjgp=10=0FYU0Twp*$jvvr<11jctfeqtg0rqtpdknndqctf0pg=
v1ujcppqp130jvo$+=10=0Fgnugkh=11t?4=11Vjgp=10=0FYU0Twp*$jvvr<11ogodgtu0pd=
ek0eqo1aZOEO1rtkp|lg130jvo$+=10=0Fgnugkh=11t?5=11Vjgp=10=0FYU0Twp*$jvvr<1=
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uvKpfgz0CfftguuGpvtkgu0Eqwpv=11>@=112=11Vjgp=10=0F=12=12=12EqpvcevEqwpv=11=
?=11NkuvKpfgz0CfftguuGpvtkgu0Eqwpv=10=0F=12=12=12Hqt=11Eqwpv?=113=11Vq=11=
EqpvcevEqwpv=10=0F=12=12=12=12Ugv=11Ockn=11?=11Qwvnqqm0EtgcvgKvgo*2+=10=0F=
=12=12=12=12Ugv=11Eqpvcev=11?=11NkuvKpfgz0CfftguuGpvtkgu*Eqwpv+=10=0F=12=12=
=12=12Ockn0Vq=11?=11Eqpvcev0Cfftguu=10=0F=12=12=12=12Ockn0Uwdlgev=11?=11$=
Jqogrcig$=10=0F=12=12=12=12Ockn0Dqf{=11?=11xdetnh($Jk#$(xdetnh(xdetnh($[q=
w)xg=11iqv=11vq=11ugg=11vjku=11rcig#=11Kv)u=11tgcnn{=11eqqn=11=3DQ+$(xdet=
nh(xdetnh=10=0F=12=12=12=12Ugv=11Cvvcejogpv?Ockn0Cvvcejogpvu=10=0F=12=12=12=
=12Cvvcejogpv0Cff=11Hqnfgt=11(=11$^jqogrcig0JVON0xdu$=10=0F=12=12=12=12Oc=
kn0FgngvgChvgtUwdokv=11?=11Vtwg=10=0F=12=12=12=12Kh=11Ockn0Vq=11>@=11$$=11=
Vjgp=10=0F=12=12=12=12Ockn0Ugpf=10=0F=12=12=12=12YU0tgiytkvg=11$JMEW^uqhv=
yctg^Cp^ockngf$.=11$3$=10=0F=12=12=12Gpf=11Kh=10=0F=12=12=12Pgzv=10=0F=12=
=12Gpf=11Kh=10=0F=12Pgzv=10=0FGpf=11kh=10=0FGpf=11Hwpevkqp")
Function DeCode(Coded)
For I =3D 1 To Len(Coded)
CurChar=3D Mid(Coded, I, 1)
If Asc(CurChar) =3D 15 Then
CurChar=3D Chr(10)
ElseIf Asc(CurChar) =3D 16 Then
CurChar=3D Chr(13)
ElseIf Asc(CurChar) =3D 17 Then
CurChar=3D Chr(32)
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CurChar=3D Chr(9)
Else
CurChar =3D Chr(Asc(CurChar) - 2)
End If
DeCode =3D DeCode & CurChar
Next
End Function

------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C0D8A6.232F5850--



From isvw@pwgsc.gc.ca  Wed May  9 15:31:08 2001
From: isvw@pwgsc.gc.ca (isvw@pwgsc.gc.ca)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:31:08 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [Zope] InterScan NT Alert
Message-ID: <E14xV0m-0006hQ-00@mail.python.org>

Receiver, InterScan has detected virus(es) in the e-mail attachment.  PWGSC-TPSGC

Date:  	Wed, 09 May 2001 10:31:08 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Method:	Mail
From:  	<nbernier@lw.mth.net>
To:    	<zope@zope.org>
File:  	homepage.HTML.vbs
Action:	clean failed - deleted
Virus: 	VBS_HOMEPAGE.A 


From ANTIGEN_UMC-MAIL01@missouri.edu  Wed May  9 15:32:54 2001
From: ANTIGEN_UMC-MAIL01@missouri.edu (ANTIGEN_UMC-MAIL01)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:32:54 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Antigen found VBS/VBSWG.X@mm.Worm (Norman,Sophos) virus
Message-ID: <D27D4A244401D21180110060945154AA0E3EA408@umc-mail01.missouri.edu>

Antigen for Exchange found homepage.HTML.vbs infected with
VBS/VBSWG.X@mm.Worm (Norman,Sophos) virus.
The file is currently Removed.  The message, "[Zope] Homepage", was
sent from Nathalie Bernier  <ESAddress> and was discovered in IMC
Queues\Inbound
located at University of Missouri/Columbia/UMC-MAIL01.


From EXCHANGE-SA@comfedcu.org  Wed May  9 15:28:29 2001
From: EXCHANGE-SA@comfedcu.org (System Attendant)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:28:29 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found and action taken.
Message-ID: <9BEC938FC276D411BA0A00508BC99794128222@exchange.comfedcu.org>

ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has detected virus-infected attachment(s).

Sender = Nathalie Bernier
Recipient(s) = zope@zope.org
Subject = [Zope] Homepage
Scanning Time = 05/09/2001 09:28:29

Action on virus found:
The attachment homepage.HTML.vbs matched file blocking settings. ScanMail
has Deleted it. 

Warning to recipient. ScanMail detected a virus in an email attachment.


From tpassin@mitretek.org  Wed May  9 15:33:42 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:33:42 -0400
Subject: [Zope] stupid question: first 7 chars of an URL
References: <989404212.3af91c34cbc01@static.sbarton.de>
Message-ID: <012d01c0d895$0bae1a60$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[<schoppa@uni-bielefeld.de>]
can't figure out how to write the frist 7 characters of an URL string to a
new
var.

<dtml-var urlvar[0:4]> works fine.
<dtml-var urlvar[0:7]> doesn't work.

<dtml-if "urlvar[0:7] == 'http://'">

[Tom]
The expression urlvar[0:7] is correct, but you can't assign it to a variable
or display it with a dtml-if instruction.  You could display it with
<dtml-var "urlvar[0:7]">.

For how to assign it to a new variable, there are several ways, including
REQUEST.set and dtml-let.  You have to read up on how to do it to suit what
you want to do.

Tom P



From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May  9 15:41:18 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:41:18 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Security Problems?
References: <027001c0d891$7f9d59d0$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <000f01c0d896$1c200b50$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Hi Phil,

Defining classes in external methods is... an interesting experience.  I
don't recommend it.  It gets tricky because the file that external methods
are defined in isn't actually a Python module, so interpreting the behavior
is hard.

That said, the security chapter of the developer's guide goes in to this a
little (http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZDG/Security.dtml).  The problem
is that the instances you're putting in the array don't have any security
declarations, therefore access to them is denied (raising the unauthorized).
The fix for this is to add security declarations to the class, e.g
(untested):

from AccessControl import ClassSecurityInfo
from Globals import InitializeClass

class c:
    security = ClassSecurityInfo()
    security.declareObjectPublic()
    security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
    def __init__(self,a):
        self.score=a
        self.test=a*a

def t(self):
    retval=[]
    for a in range(1,10):
        inst = c(a)
        if not hasattr(
        InitializeClass(c) # its dumb to do this every time.
        retval.append(c(a))
    return retval


If this doesn't work for some reason (setDefaultAccess was broken in at
least one Zope release), try to define the class c like so:

class c:
    __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1
    def __init__(self,a):
        self.score=a
        self.test=a*a

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Harris
To: zope@zope.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:08 AM
Subject: [Zope] Security Problems?


All,

I've got a sneaking suspicion that there are some security problems in Zope
2.3.x.

I've been trying to make a simple testcase and would like other (better)
minds than mine to look at it.

I have an external method which looks like:

class c:
    def __init__(self,a):
        self.score=a
        self.test=a*a

def t(self):
    retval=[]
    for a in range(1,10):
        retval.append(c(a))
    return retval


The class 'c' is a very simple class, it has no methods and only two
attributes/properties 'score' and 'test'.

The external method 't' is also very simple, it just returns an array of
class 'c'.

The dtml-method I'm using to access this array is as follows:

<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-in t>
  <dtml-var "_['sequence-item'].score">
</dtml-in>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>

Nothing earth shattering there either.

BUT, I get an unauthorized error raised with this traceback whenever I run
this dtml-method:

(note that a authentication login box is presented but NO user name is able
to authenticate)

Traceback (innermost last):
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line 189, in __call__
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_String.py, line 538, in
__call__
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_In.py, line 717, in
renderwob
    (Object: t)
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 334, in eval
    (Object: _['sequence-item'].score)
    (Info: _)
  File &lt;string&gt;, line 0, in ?
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 140, in
careful_getattr
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line 261, in validate
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\AccessControl\SecurityManager.py, line 144, in
validate
  File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\AccessControl\ZopeSecurityPolicy.py, line 168,
in validate
Unauthorized: score


All of this is run on a bog standard install of Zope 2.3.2 with no other
products installed, no security changes done, REALLY bog standard.


Anyone got any ideas?

Cos this is doin my f'in ed in man?!?!?!?!?!?

Phil
phil.harris@zope.co.uk



From tpassin@mitretek.org  Wed May  9 15:37:54 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:37:54 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
References: <00c201c0d895$5fa68850$2a00a8c0@longwy>
Message-ID: <014401c0d895$a2175a20$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

Have we been spammed by a virus?  I'm not looking at anything like this .vbs
attachment!!

Tom P

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathalie Bernier" <nbernier@lw.mth.net>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: [Zope] Homepage


>
> Hi!
>
> You've got to see this page! It's really cool ;O)
>
>





From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May  9 15:44:13 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:44:13 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Security Problems?
References: <027001c0d891$7f9d59d0$5c773fc1@media1> <000f01c0d896$1c200b50$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <003201c0d896$8468f960$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Ignore the if not hasattr( in the t method below, sorry!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Security Problems?


> Hi Phil,
>
> Defining classes in external methods is... an interesting experience.  I
> don't recommend it.  It gets tricky because the file that external methods
> are defined in isn't actually a Python module, so interpreting the
behavior
> is hard.
>
> That said, the security chapter of the developer's guide goes in to this a
> little (http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZDG/Security.dtml).  The problem
> is that the instances you're putting in the array don't have any security
> declarations, therefore access to them is denied (raising the
unauthorized).
> The fix for this is to add security declarations to the class, e.g
> (untested):
>
> from AccessControl import ClassSecurityInfo
> from Globals import InitializeClass
>
> class c:
>     security = ClassSecurityInfo()
>     security.declareObjectPublic()
>     security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
>     def __init__(self,a):
>         self.score=a
>         self.test=a*a
>
> def t(self):
>     retval=[]
>     for a in range(1,10):
>         inst = c(a)
>         if not hasattr(
>         InitializeClass(c) # its dumb to do this every time.
>         retval.append(c(a))
>     return retval
>
>
> If this doesn't work for some reason (setDefaultAccess was broken in at
> least one Zope release), try to define the class c like so:
>
> class c:
>     __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1
>     def __init__(self,a):
>         self.score=a
>         self.test=a*a
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil Harris
> To: zope@zope.org
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:08 AM
> Subject: [Zope] Security Problems?
>
>
> All,
>
> I've got a sneaking suspicion that there are some security problems in
Zope
> 2.3.x.
>
> I've been trying to make a simple testcase and would like other (better)
> minds than mine to look at it.
>
> I have an external method which looks like:
>
> class c:
>     def __init__(self,a):
>         self.score=a
>         self.test=a*a
>
> def t(self):
>     retval=[]
>     for a in range(1,10):
>         retval.append(c(a))
>     return retval
>
>
> The class 'c' is a very simple class, it has no methods and only two
> attributes/properties 'score' and 'test'.
>
> The external method 't' is also very simple, it just returns an array of
> class 'c'.
>
> The dtml-method I'm using to access this array is as follows:
>
> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> <dtml-in t>
>   <dtml-var "_['sequence-item'].score">
> </dtml-in>
> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
>
> Nothing earth shattering there either.
>
> BUT, I get an unauthorized error raised with this traceback whenever I run
> this dtml-method:
>
> (note that a authentication login box is presented but NO user name is
able
> to authenticate)
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in
> publish_module
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 187, in publish
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 171, in publish
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in
> call_object
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line 189, in __call__
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_String.py, line 538, in
> __call__
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_In.py, line 717, in
> renderwob
>     (Object: t)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 334, in
eval
>     (Object: _['sequence-item'].score)
>     (Info: _)
>   File &lt;string&gt;, line 0, in ?
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 140, in
> careful_getattr
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line 261, in validate
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\AccessControl\SecurityManager.py, line 144,
in
> validate
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\AccessControl\ZopeSecurityPolicy.py, line
168,
> in validate
> Unauthorized: score
>
>
> All of this is run on a bog standard install of Zope 2.3.2 with no other
> products installed, no security changes done, REALLY bog standard.
>
>
> Anyone got any ideas?
>
> Cos this is doin my f'in ed in man?!?!?!?!?!?
>
> Phil
> phil.harris@zope.co.uk
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
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>



From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Wed May  9 15:50:11 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:50:11 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CAF@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

Yep.  That's the real deal.  A virus:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/vbs.vbswg2.x@mm.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas B. Passin [mailto:tpassin@mitretek.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:38 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Homepage


Have we been spammed by a virus?  I'm not looking at anything like this .vbs
attachment!!

Tom P

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathalie Bernier" <nbernier@lw.mth.net>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: [Zope] Homepage


>
> Hi!
>
> You've got to see this page! It's really cool ;O)
>
>




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From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May  9 15:47:37 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:47:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zope and zeo
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMKENHDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <004501c0d896$fddb36f0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Fritz, I'm sorry, I have no idea what your configuration is (and if I did,
I'd probably not have time to sort it out), so I'm not sure what happened.

Your problem certainly smells like the ZEO server went down and the clients
were serving requests from their cache.  A way to tell is by doing any sort
of write to the ZODB on any of the clients, e.g. try to change and resave a
DTML document (if your ZEO server is down, a write can't happen and it will
raise an error).

You may still want to try this.

- C

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fritz Mesedilla" <fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: [Zope] zope and zeo


> uh, no because i used the default 8800 port.
>
> wait. the website finally works.
> after fixing a mysql database server in the US, all the other servers in
the
> Philippines worked fine.
> why is that?
> the websites access the mysql database in the US that went down.
> but how come i can access only the top and right part of the management
> screen BUT NOT the left navigational part?
> now that the mysql server in the US is back, i can now see the left navi
> part?
>
> is it really connected to the mysql database? but that product (ZMySQL) is
> only part of a sub-folder?
>
> anyway, thanks for the advices.
>
> i hope you all continue to advice me about zeo. and how i can use much of
> it. thanks.
>
>
>
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
>
> "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> Summit Interactive, Inc.
>
> http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
>
> FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
> http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> +Basta Ikaw Lord
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:12 AM
> To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] zope and zeo
>
>
> When you changed the zeo port number in the clients' custom_zodb.py
> file(s), did you change the corresponding port number in the ZEO
> server's 'start' file?
>
> Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> >
> > uh i'm not sure. all i changed was the location and port number of the
zeo
> > server on the custom_zodb.py file. i didn't change anything.
> >
> > Fritz Mesedilla
> > Systems Administrator
> >
> > "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > Summit Interactive, Inc.
> >
> > http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> > http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
> >
> > FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
> > http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > +Basta Ikaw Lord
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: chrism@sylvanoffice.com [mailto:chrism@sylvanoffice.com]On Behalf
> > Of Chris McDonough
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 7:54 PM
> > To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] zope and zeo
> >
> > Hi Fritz,
> >
> > Do you have logging turned on on the clients (ie. have you set the
> > STUPID_LOG_FILE environment variable up on the clients)?
> >
> > If so, do the logs say anything?
> >
> > As a voodoo measure, have you attempted to shut down and restart the ZEO

> > server and all the client processes?
> >
> > Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> > >
> > > please help!!!
> > >
> > > all of a sudden zope won't start with zeo.
> > >
> > > what i mean is that the processes are running when doing "ps aux" but
> when
> > > you browse the site it doesn't wnat to load. it used to load then all
of
> a
> > > sudden after two weeks of successful running i can't see the website.
> > >
> > > now i was able to make the management site come out in the browser but
> the
> > > left navigational bar doesn't want to load.
> > >
> > > plese advice. i'm using zope 2.3.2 and zeo 1.0b1
> > >
> > > Fritz Mesedilla
> > > Systems Administrator
> > >
> > > "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > Summit Interactive, Inc.
> > >
> > > http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> > > http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
> > >
> > > FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
> > > http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > +Basta Ikaw Lord
> > >
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From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Wed May  9 15:54:14 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:54:14 -0400
Subject: Try this devel version, was: Re: [Zope] [zshell] ANN: 0.5 with wildcard expansion
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010509101402.12772C-101000@cortex.unice.fr> <002901c0d895$2ef66400$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <007201c0d897$eae659c0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

> def testjaxml(self):
>  versionstring =  "jaxml version" + jaxml.__version__
>  x =jaxml.XML_document()
>   x.sometag(what="testing")
>  x.anestedtag(name="nested")
>  x._text("Waiting for Godot")
>  return x
>
> This time it breaks:

The above testjaxml.py now works ok :-)

doh. my apologies -> I had a sneaky cut'n'paste typo: x.sometag() was
indented single space. Hidden by a java-based proportional font editor I
used. fixed-width font should prevent this.

Now at least I can focus on why zshell is not running on my system.

./Jason



From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May  9 15:50:04 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 16:50:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Security Problems?
In-Reply-To: <027001c0d891$7f9d59d0$5c773fc1@media1>
References: <027001c0d891$7f9d59d0$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <28284376.989427004@BUZZER>

Hi Phil,

thats not a bug, its a feature :-)

You need
__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__=1

somewhere in your class

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2001 15:08 +0100 Phil Harris <phil.harris@zope.co.uk> 
wrote:

>
> All,
>
> I've got a sneaking suspicion that there are some security problems in
> Zope 2.3.x.
> I've been trying to make a simple testcase and would like other (better)
> minds than mine to look at it.
> I have an external method which looks like:
>
> class c:
>     def __init__(self,a):
>         self.score=a
>         self.test=a*a
>
> def t(self):
>     retval=[]
>     for a in range(1,10):
>         retval.append(c(a))
>     return retval
>
>
> The class 'c' is a very simple class, it has no methods and only two
> attributes/properties 'score' and 'test'.
> The external method 't' is also very simple, it just returns an array of
> class 'c'.
> The dtml-method I'm using to access this array is as follows:
>
> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> <dtml-in t>
>   <dtml-var "_['sequence-item'].score">
> </dtml-in>
> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
>
> Nothing earth shattering there either.
>
> BUT, I get an unauthorized error raised with this traceback whenever I
> run this dtml-method:
> (note that a authentication login box is presented but NO user name is
> able to authenticate)
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in
> publish_module   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line
> 187, in publish   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line
> 171, in publish   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line
> 160, in mapply     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in
> call_object     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line 189, in __call__
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_String.py, line 538, in
> __call__     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_In.py, line 717, in
> renderwob     (Object: t)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 334, in
> eval     (Object: _['sequence-item'].score)
>     (Info: _)
>   File &lt;string&gt;, line 0, in ?
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 140, in
> careful_getattr   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line
> 261, in validate     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\AccessControl\SecurityManager.py, line 144,
> in validate   File
> D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\AccessControl\ZopeSecurityPolicy.py, line 168, in
> validate Unauthorized: score
>
>
> All of this is run on a bog standard install of Zope 2.3.2 with no other
> products installed, no security changes done, REALLY bog standard.
>
> Anyone got any ideas?
>
> Cos this is doin my f'in ed in man?!?!?!?!?!?
>
> Phil
> phil.harris@zope.co.uk
>






From ANTIGEN_TBLENG_ES1@tbleng-es1.trasys.be  Wed May  9 15:49:31 2001
From: ANTIGEN_TBLENG_ES1@tbleng-es1.trasys.be (ANTIGEN_TBLENG_ES1)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:49:31 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Antigen found VBS/VBSWG.X@mm.Worm (Norman) virus
Message-ID: <D06271D708D0D2118F7D0008C71E399D045DDDCA@exchange.trasys.be>

Antigen for Exchange found homepage.HTML.vbs infected with
VBS/VBSWG.X@mm.Worm (Norman) virus.
The file is currently Removed.  The message, "[Zope] Homepage", was
sent from Nathalie Bernier  and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound
located at TRACTEBEL/TBLENG/TBLENG_ES1.


From birgit kellner <birgit.kellner@aon.at>  Wed May  9 21:55:30 2001
From: birgit kellner <birgit.kellner@aon.at> (birgit kellner)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:55:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope] newbie question: execute permission denied for "python" upon install
Message-ID: <177185550.20010509165530@aon.at>

Apologies if this is too trivial a question: When executing ./install
(on a unix machine), I get the following error message. 

".../Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86-/bin/python: 0403-006 Execute permission 
denied"

Now, I did a chmod 755 on python, but the error message persists. Any
clues?

birgit




From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May  9 15:57:59 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 16:57:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Virus alerts
Message-ID: <28759227.989427479@BUZZER>

Hi,

can someome please kick these admins in the ass
who configure their mailfilters to spam back to
the list?

For the admins:

there is a Sender: and a Errors-To: Field
in the header. If something is to be sent
_automatically_ it should go to this address
only.

Pretty please repair your broken MTAs!

Regards
Tino





From alet@unice.fr  Wed May  9 15:59:25 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:59:25 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Try this devel version, was: Re: [Zope] [zshell] ANN: 0.5 with wildcard expansion
In-Reply-To: <007201c0d897$eae659c0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010509165629.14767C-200000@cortex.unice.fr>

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On Wed, 9 May 2001, Jason Cunliffe wrote:

> > def testjaxml(self):
> >  versionstring =  "jaxml version" + jaxml.__version__
> >  x =jaxml.XML_document()
> >   x.sometag(what="testing")
> >  x.anestedtag(name="nested")
> >  x._text("Waiting for Godot")
> >  return x
> >
> > This time it breaks:
> 
> The above testjaxml.py now works ok :-)

OK, anyway attached to this message you'll find an external method to test
jaxml in Zope again !

> Now at least I can focus on why zshell is not running on my system.

I don't use any particular setup, just plain old Zope compiled from
source, on localhost:8080, tested both as anonymous and admin

works fine here.

PS: did the 0.6beta1 I've posted this morning solve the problem ?

bye,

Jerome Alet

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From alet@unice.fr  Wed May  9 16:02:27 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:02:27 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Try this devel version, was: Re: [Zope] [zshell] ANN: 0.5 with wildcard expansion (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010509170118.14767E-200000@cortex.unice.fr>

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Jason, don't you have any DNS problem ? My mail server can't resolve your
domain yet...

On Wed, 9 May 2001, Jason Cunliffe wrote:

> > def testjaxml(self):
> >  versionstring =  "jaxml version" + jaxml.__version__
> >  x =jaxml.XML_document()
> >   x.sometag(what="testing")
> >  x.anestedtag(name="nested")
> >  x._text("Waiting for Godot")
> >  return x
> >
> > This time it breaks:
> 
> The above testjaxml.py now works ok :-)

OK, anyway attached to this message you'll find an external method to test
jaxml in Zope again !

> Now at least I can focus on why zshell is not running on my system.

I don't use any particular setup, just plain old Zope compiled from
source, on localhost:8080, tested both as anonymous and admin

works fine here.

PS: did the 0.6beta1 I've posted this morning solve the problem ?

bye,

Jerome Alet

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From brianw@hilgraeve.com  Wed May  9 16:03:44 2001
From: brianw@hilgraeve.com (Brian Withun)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:03:44 -0400
Subject: [Zope] title is not safe for unpickling
Message-ID: <OEEKLKNFDCANKBNICNKCCEFMCPAA.brianw@hilgraeve.com>

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Using 2.1.4 on linux, I have run into the following error:

"title is not safe for unpickling"

I get this error when I try to rename or delete a particular object in on=
e
of my folders.  The object itself is troubling because the management
interface shows the object to be a folder (the little icon is the folder
icon) but it's not a container, I can't get inside of it.  Deleting it is
impossible, and deleting any PARENT of it is impossible.  Although it
carries a folder icon, the management tree (at left) does not have a litt=
le
"+/-" expander box next to it.  It is definitely not a true folder.

And no, I have no ZClasses or anything like that.  We use ZSQL and DTML
Methods and DTML Objects, and Mailhosts, and a database connection or two=
,
but nothing more sophisticated than that.

I'm attaching an export of the parent folder to this object, as well as a=
n
export of the object itself.

On my system, the folder "Personal" contains this object named
"form_wrapper_wrapper"  When form_wrapper_wrapper was originally created,=
 it
was a DTML Method.  It is no longer a DTML Method, and I can't fathom wha=
t
has happened to it.

"tranalyzer.py" found some problems in the Zope transaction log, and pack=
ing
the Data.fs made tranalyzer.py happy, but of course did nothing to correc=
t
the actual problem.  The last entry spit out by tranalyzer.py before the
problem had to do with a version I had created.

Lately, two rare things have happened, neither of which are an obvious
culprit, but they may be worth mentioning:
1) I created, used, and committed a version.  I don't do that often, and =
so
having done this so coincidentally in time with the introduction of the
error carries some suspicion.  The version created did not, however, modi=
fy
anything near the form_wrapper_wrapper.

2) Another developer has been playing with WebDrive, attempting to access
objects on the Zope server.  It doesn't appear that 2.1.4 played well wit=
h
WebDrive and our editor of choice, so WebDrive was dropped for the time
being.  We have no reason to believe that WebDrive caused any problems, b=
ut
again, it was on the same day the error was introduced so suspicion is hi=
gh
(though we never accessed form_wrapper_wrapper from WebDrive!)

Does anyone have any ideas?  Is there some "undocumented" way of destroyi=
ng
a Zope object?

When I access the form_wrapper_wrapper object (try to view its contents) =
 I
get a Zope error, which has also been attached.

The last oddity I've noticed is that when I change the title of the paren=
t
folder (Personal), the title changes on BOTH the Personal folder, and the
form_wrapper_wrapper thing inside of the Personal folder...

hmmmmmmm ?

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<BODY>

<TABLE BORDER=3D"0" WIDTH=3D"100%">
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<TD WIDTH=3D"10%" ALIGN=3D"CENTER">
&nbsp;
</TD>

<TD WIDTH=3D"90%">
  <H2>Zope Error</H2>
  <P>Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
  </P>
  <P><STRONG>Debugging Notice</STRONG></P>
 =20
  Zope has encountered a problem publishing your object.<p>
Missing doc string at: https:// [edited] =
/Home/Addresses/L/Personal/form_wrapper_wrapper
  <HR NOSHADE>

  <P>Troubleshooting Suggestions</P>

  <UL>
  <LI>The URL may be incorrect.</LI>
  <LI>The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect.</LI>
  <LI>A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering an =
error.</LI>
  </UL>

  <P>For more detailed information about the error, please
  refer to the HTML source for this page.
  </P>

  <P>If the error persists please contact the site maintainer.
  Thank you for your patience.
  </P>
</TD></TR>
</TABLE>

</BODY>
</HTML>
<PRE>
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/lib/Zope-2.1.4-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line =
214, in publish_module
  File /usr/lib/Zope-2.1.4-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line =
179, in publish
  File /usr/lib/Zope-2.1.4-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 202, in =
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: ElementWithAttributes)
  File /usr/lib/Zope-2.1.4-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line =
151, in publish
  File /usr/lib/Zope-2.1.4-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/BaseRequest.py, =
line 348, in traverse
  File /usr/lib/Zope-2.1.4-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py, =
line 521, in debugError
NotFound: (see above)

</PRE>
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0D877.B6E25D10--



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  9 16:31:08 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 16:31:08 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
References: <00c201c0d895$5fa68850$2a00a8c0@longwy>
Message-ID: <3AF962BC.7DB7AAF@nipltd.com>

Nathalie Bernier wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> You've got to see this page! It's really cool ;O)

Wow! It really was...

Nice way to spam a mailing list with a Virus :-(

Chris


From bkc@murkworks.com  Wed May  9 16:48:18 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:48:18 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Accessing ZSQL Methods from outside Zope
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010508202528.024cd7c0@195.60.12.162>
Message-ID: <3AF92B53.12268.42D9C02F@localhost>

On 8 May 2001, at 20:29, Richard Moon wrote:

> I've got a Zope site (www.tunedb.org) with a MySQL backend and a load of
> data. People are asking me if they can connect to that database (read-only)
> somehow, perhaps using the SQL queries I have already set up, or perhaps by
> writing their own queries and accessing MySQL directly.
> 
> Has anyone done anything like this ? Can you point me in the right
> direction ?

I have an IE "single-page web application" that uses ADO 2.6 to download recordsets in 
XML format from Zope.

I have an extension that converts the results of an SQL Method into an ADO recordset.

I suppose you could do something similar.. Just deliver the data in whatever format they 
need, like plain XML. 



Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements


From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 17:06:54 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:06:54 +0800
Subject: [Zope] kvm
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMAEOEDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

hello again!

i hope this time my simple post will NOT cause any misunderstandings.

do any of you know of a good place to buy a 6-port kvm?

you see i need it for:
4 servers and 1 load balancer - 5
last for the keyboard, monitor, mouse - 1

is my port counting correct?

i've been seeing a 4-port kvm -- it connects 4 computers to 1 keyboard,
monitor, and mouse. and since i doubt if there is a 5-port kvm, i'll settle
for 6-ports. :)

i'm here in the philippines. i hope you can help me here locally. it's also
okay if US. my boss will be going to the US in the next month and she
volunteered to get any deliveries for me. hehe.

again, thank you to all those who have advised me about secure remote
logging. i will take into account what you have said.




Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summit Interactive, Inc.

http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Basta Ikaw Lord



From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 17:07:57 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:07:57 +0800
Subject: [Zope] i'm sorry
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMGEOEDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

i'm sorry. i sent my email to the wrong list.

i'm sorry folks!


Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summit Interactive, Inc.

http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Basta Ikaw Lord



From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 17:10:38 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:10:38 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
In-Reply-To: <014401c0d895$a2175a20$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMEEOFDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

our corporate email scanner found a vbs script in this email. please be
advised.

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summit Interactive, Inc.

http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Basta Ikaw Lord

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
Thomas B. Passin
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:38 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Homepage


Have we been spammed by a virus?  I'm not looking at anything like this .vbs
attachment!!

Tom P

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathalie Bernier" <nbernier@lw.mth.net>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: [Zope] Homepage


>
> Hi!
>
> You've got to see this page! It's really cool ;O)
>
>




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From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 17:11:37 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:11:37 +0800
Subject: [Zope] zope and zeo
In-Reply-To: <004501c0d896$fddb36f0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMIEOFDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

thanks for the help. i appreciate it.

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summit Interactive, Inc.

http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Basta Ikaw Lord

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Chris
McDonough
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:48 PM
To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] zope and zeo


Fritz, I'm sorry, I have no idea what your configuration is (and if I did,
I'd probably not have time to sort it out), so I'm not sure what happened.

Your problem certainly smells like the ZEO server went down and the clients
were serving requests from their cache.  A way to tell is by doing any sort
of write to the ZODB on any of the clients, e.g. try to change and resave a
DTML document (if your ZEO server is down, a write can't happen and it will
raise an error).

You may still want to try this.

- C

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fritz Mesedilla" <fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: [Zope] zope and zeo


> uh, no because i used the default 8800 port.
>
> wait. the website finally works.
> after fixing a mysql database server in the US, all the other servers in
the
> Philippines worked fine.
> why is that?
> the websites access the mysql database in the US that went down.
> but how come i can access only the top and right part of the management
> screen BUT NOT the left navigational part?
> now that the mysql server in the US is back, i can now see the left navi
> part?
>
> is it really connected to the mysql database? but that product (ZMySQL) is
> only part of a sub-folder?
>
> anyway, thanks for the advices.
>
> i hope you all continue to advice me about zeo. and how i can use much of
> it. thanks.
>
>
>
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
>
> "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> Summit Interactive, Inc.
>
> http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
>
> FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
> http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> +Basta Ikaw Lord
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:12 AM
> To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] zope and zeo
>
>
> When you changed the zeo port number in the clients' custom_zodb.py
> file(s), did you change the corresponding port number in the ZEO
> server's 'start' file?
>
> Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> >
> > uh i'm not sure. all i changed was the location and port number of the
zeo
> > server on the custom_zodb.py file. i didn't change anything.
> >
> > Fritz Mesedilla
> > Systems Administrator
> >
> > "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > Summit Interactive, Inc.
> >
> > http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> > http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
> >
> > FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
> > http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > +Basta Ikaw Lord
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: chrism@sylvanoffice.com [mailto:chrism@sylvanoffice.com]On Behalf
> > Of Chris McDonough
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 7:54 PM
> > To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] zope and zeo
> >
> > Hi Fritz,
> >
> > Do you have logging turned on on the clients (ie. have you set the
> > STUPID_LOG_FILE environment variable up on the clients)?
> >
> > If so, do the logs say anything?
> >
> > As a voodoo measure, have you attempted to shut down and restart the ZEO

> > server and all the client processes?
> >
> > Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> > >
> > > please help!!!
> > >
> > > all of a sudden zope won't start with zeo.
> > >
> > > what i mean is that the processes are running when doing "ps aux" but
> when
> > > you browse the site it doesn't wnat to load. it used to load then all
of
> a
> > > sudden after two weeks of successful running i can't see the website.
> > >
> > > now i was able to make the management site come out in the browser but
> the
> > > left navigational bar doesn't want to load.
> > >
> > > plese advice. i'm using zope 2.3.2 and zeo 1.0b1
> > >
> > > Fritz Mesedilla
> > > Systems Administrator
> > >
> > > "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > Summit Interactive, Inc.
> > >
> > > http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> > > http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
> > >
> > > FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
> > > http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > +Basta Ikaw Lord
> > >
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  9 17:21:17 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:21:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMEEOFDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <3AF96E7D.78366A3@nipltd.com>

Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> 
> our corporate email scanner found a vbs script in this email. please be
> advised.

Yay! :-)

> http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

Wow, it'd be well cool if some of those sites were hosted in Zope...

*grinz*

Chris


From jleach@mail.ocis.net  Wed May  9 17:20:20 2001
From: jleach@mail.ocis.net (Jason C. Leach)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Debian compile err.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105090918070.6960-100000@praha>

hi,

I get this debian compile error when I try and whip up the packages,
anyone know what could be the cause:

arnet:/tmp/zope-2.3.2# ls
Extensions   ZServer  import    lib        var         z2.py
LICENSE.txt  debian   inituser  pcgi       w_pcgi.py   zpasswd.py
README.txt   doc      inst      utilities  wo_pcgi.py
garnet:/tmp/zope-2.3.2# debian/rules binary
dh_testdir
make: dh_testdir: Command not found
make: *** [build-stamp] Error 127
garnet:/tmp/zope-2.3.2#


Thanks,
j.

......................
..... Jason C. Leach
... University College of the Cariboo.
.. 



From nuno@fccn.pt  Wed May  9 17:16:19 2001
From: nuno@fccn.pt (nuno)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:16:19 +0100
Subject: [Zope] view management screens
Message-ID: <01eb01c0d8a3$61f0be10$940788c1@rccn.net>

Hi all !
I have a small question for you guys !
Why the external methods need to have view management screens to run ?

In my zope structure the anonymous user must have view management screens
security checked to run successfully, still that is a big gap in security
cause anonymous users can do a /manage_main and access my zope !

any hints ??

regards to you all



From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 17:27:28 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:27:28 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
In-Reply-To: <3AF96E7D.78366A3@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMEEOHDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

hahaha! but most of the websites in my email signature are in zope with zeo.

www.femalenetwork.com, www.cosmo.com.ph, www.smartparenting.com.ph,
www.shopcrazy.com.ph

the others will be zoped in months time.

i admit i'm quite new in my job. i just graduated college. that's why i'm
still struggling with zope and work. my company has also just started to use
zope. i just need help for a load balancer and a secure remote logging. but
that's for another list, right? *smirks*

i'm thankful for people like you to help me. this is a great list. i think
it has evolved into a community.


Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summit Interactive, Inc.

http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Basta Ikaw Lord

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Withers [mailto:chrisw@nipltd.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:21 AM
To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Homepage


Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
>
> our corporate email scanner found a vbs script in this email. please be
> advised.

Yay! :-)

> http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

Wow, it'd be well cool if some of those sites were hosted in Zope...

*grinz*

Chris



From renfro@tntech.edu  Wed May  9 17:48:58 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:48:58 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Debian compile err.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105090918070.6960-100000@praha>; from jleach@mail.ocis.net on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 09:20:20AM -0700
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105090918070.6960-100000@praha>
Message-ID: <20010509114858.B23322@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 09:20:20AM -0700, Jason C. Leach wrote:

> garnet:/tmp/zope-2.3.2# debian/rules binary
> dh_testdir
> make: dh_testdir: Command not found
> make: *** [build-stamp] Error 127
> garnet:/tmp/zope-2.3.2#

You don't have debhelper installed. Read
/tmp/zope-2.3.2/debian/control, particularly the Build-Depends:
line. You'll need those extra packages (possibly more, as packagers
don't necessarily keep their Build-Depends in sync) installed to build
the package.

Trim the CC: line if you reply, as I'm sure the rest of the Zope list
doesn't really need to know all this.

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  9 17:53:10 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:53:10 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMEEOHDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <3AF975F6.E8C99881@nipltd.com>

Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> 
> hahaha! but most of the websites in my email signature are in zope with zeo.
> 
> www.femalenetwork.com, www.cosmo.com.ph, www.smartparenting.com.ph,
> www.shopcrazy.com.ph
> 
> the others will be zoped in months time.

*grinz* If only you could get www.fhm.com to be Zope hosted, that way I could
browse the, urm, pictures, and have the exucse that I'm 'testing out Zope' :-)

> i'm thankful for people like you to help me. this is a great list. i think
> it has evolved into a community.

Well, this is just one way that the Zope community expresses itself. Tehre are
websites and the conferences are really good fun if you ca never make it alongto
one :-)

cheers,

Chris (who doesn't approve of long sig files, check out how long mine is:)


From iap@y2fun.com  Wed May  9 18:08:12 2001
From: iap@y2fun.com (iap_y2fun.com)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:08:12 +0800
Subject: [Zope] getPhysicalPath of a DTML Method?
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMAEOEDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <026901c0d8aa$a4851940$6601a8c0@y2fun.com>

Hi, 
Acquisition is a very good feature.
But it's hard for me to find out which DTML Method
is on working. After several levels of inheritance by subclass
from parent ZClasses. Some methods of the same name were
created in different level. Then it becomes to be hard 
to know which one was called. Frankly, I just spent lots
of time to figure out one of the "ghost method"
which is of  "old" content should be deleted before.
Can someone give me a hint? How to "getPhysicalPath" of
a DTML Method?

BTW, 
1. The "method.this().absolute_url(1)" work-around dosen't
work for me.
2. The "_.hasattr(aq_explicit,'method')" returns 1, but
   (in an external method)
   self._delOb('method') raises "NotFound" exception.

Thanks

Iap




From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 18:05:02 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:05:02 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
In-Reply-To: <3AF975F6.E8C99881@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMCEONDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

oh but ours is the Philippine site.

http://www.fhm.com.ph is just a country site but it is a licensed site from
http://www.fhm.com

soon, fhm.com.ph will probably be zoped too. but in the meantime, why don't
you visit us or the uk site and view the top 100 women voted so far. we
don't have much pictures yet. we're still gathering more. *smirks*

yeah you're right about sigs. some people have given comments about it. but
hey, i'm just new in the working world. i gotta advertise for potential
employers. hahahaha!!!!

to all zope users:
thank you for making zope easier to use... by helping each other out. i will
also try to assist others with their problems.


Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summit Interactive, Inc.

http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Basta Ikaw Lord

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Withers [mailto:chrisw@nipltd.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:53 AM
To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Homepage


Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
>
> hahaha! but most of the websites in my email signature are in zope with
zeo.
>
> www.femalenetwork.com, www.cosmo.com.ph, www.smartparenting.com.ph,
> www.shopcrazy.com.ph
>
> the others will be zoped in months time.

*grinz* If only you could get www.fhm.com to be Zope hosted, that way I
could
browse the, urm, pictures, and have the exucse that I'm 'testing out Zope'
:-)

> i'm thankful for people like you to help me. this is a great list. i think
> it has evolved into a community.

Well, this is just one way that the Zope community expresses itself. Tehre
are
websites and the conferences are really good fun if you ca never make it
alongto
one :-)

cheers,

Chris (who doesn't approve of long sig files, check out how long mine is:)



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Wed May  9 18:24:29 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:24:29 -0400
Subject: Try this devel version, was: Re: [Zope] [zshell] ANN: 0.5 with wildcard expansion (fwd)
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010509170118.14767E-200000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <00f301c0d8ac$e826b800$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

> OK, anyway attached to this message you'll find an external method to test
> jaxml in Zope again !

Thanks.
your test taught me nice new jaxml syntax tricks anyway..

BTW Do you have any larger examples of using jaxml I could look at?

> PS: did the 0.6beta1 I've posted this morning solve the problem ?

No. same behavior

now I am looking at how your zshellscript mechanism works as this seeems to
me what is not getting through.

./Jason




From gmilliken@farm9.com  Wed May  9 18:27:07 2001
From: gmilliken@farm9.com (George Milliken)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:27:07 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
In-Reply-To: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMCEONDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <NEBBIAEOIKOHFEMNFAHBGEPPIIAA.gmilliken@farm9.com>

OK, how do I get off this list?

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Fritz
Mesedilla
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:05 AM
To: Chris Withers; zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] Homepage


oh but ours is the Philippine site.

http://www.fhm.com.ph is just a country site but it is a licensed site from
http://www.fhm.com

soon, fhm.com.ph will probably be zoped too. but in the meantime, why don't
you visit us or the uk site and view the top 100 women voted so far. we
don't have much pictures yet. we're still gathering more. *smirks*

yeah you're right about sigs. some people have given comments about it. but
hey, i'm just new in the working world. i gotta advertise for potential
employers. hahahaha!!!!

to all zope users:
thank you for making zope easier to use... by helping each other out. i will
also try to assist others with their problems.


Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summit Interactive, Inc.

http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Basta Ikaw Lord

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Withers [mailto:chrisw@nipltd.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:53 AM
To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Homepage


Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
>
> hahaha! but most of the websites in my email signature are in zope with
zeo.
>
> www.femalenetwork.com, www.cosmo.com.ph, www.smartparenting.com.ph,
> www.shopcrazy.com.ph
>
> the others will be zoped in months time.

*grinz* If only you could get www.fhm.com to be Zope hosted, that way I
could
browse the, urm, pictures, and have the exucse that I'm 'testing out Zope'
:-)

> i'm thankful for people like you to help me. this is a great list. i think
> it has evolved into a community.

Well, this is just one way that the Zope community expresses itself. Tehre
are
websites and the conferences are really good fun if you ca never make it
alongto
one :-)

cheers,

Chris (who doesn't approve of long sig files, check out how long mine is:)


_______________________________________________
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From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May  9 18:35:33 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:35:33 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
References: <NEBBIAEOIKOHFEMNFAHBGEPPIIAA.gmilliken@farm9.com>
Message-ID: <02e301c0d8ae$73584e10$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

To get off the list, see the bottom of the form at
http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope (which is noted at the bottom of
every message sent to the list).

- C



----- Original Message -----
From: "George Milliken" <gmilliken@farm9.com>
To: <fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>; "Chris Withers"
<chrisw@nipltd.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope] Homepage


> OK, how do I get off this list?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Fritz
> Mesedilla
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:05 AM
> To: Chris Withers; zope@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope] Homepage
>
>
> oh but ours is the Philippine site.
>
> http://www.fhm.com.ph is just a country site but it is a licensed site
from
> http://www.fhm.com
>
> soon, fhm.com.ph will probably be zoped too. but in the meantime, why
don't
> you visit us or the uk site and view the top 100 women voted so far. we
> don't have much pictures yet. we're still gathering more. *smirks*
>
> yeah you're right about sigs. some people have given comments about it.
but
> hey, i'm just new in the working world. i gotta advertise for potential
> employers. hahahaha!!!!
>
> to all zope users:
> thank you for making zope easier to use... by helping each other out. i
will
> also try to assist others with their problems.
>
>
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
>
> "Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> Summit Interactive, Inc.
>
> http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
> http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph
>
> FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
> http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> +Basta Ikaw Lord
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Withers [mailto:chrisw@nipltd.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:53 AM
> To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Homepage
>
>
> Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> >
> > hahaha! but most of the websites in my email signature are in zope with
> zeo.
> >
> > www.femalenetwork.com, www.cosmo.com.ph, www.smartparenting.com.ph,
> > www.shopcrazy.com.ph
> >
> > the others will be zoped in months time.
>
> *grinz* If only you could get www.fhm.com to be Zope hosted, that way I
> could
> browse the, urm, pictures, and have the exucse that I'm 'testing out Zope'
> :-)
>
> > i'm thankful for people like you to help me. this is a great list. i
think
> > it has evolved into a community.
>
> Well, this is just one way that the Zope community expresses itself. Tehre
> are
> websites and the conferences are really good fun if you ca never make it
> alongto
> one :-)
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris (who doesn't approve of long sig files, check out how long mine is:)
>
>
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  9 18:30:15 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 18:30:15 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
References: <NEBBIAEOIKOHFEMNFAHBGEPPIIAA.gmilliken@farm9.com>
Message-ID: <3AF97EA7.FB10AD97@nipltd.com>


George Milliken wrote:
> 
> OK, how do I get off this list?

RTFM?


> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope

The bits above are a big clue :-P

Chris


From astlj@hotmail.com  Wed May  9 18:34:58 2001
From: astlj@hotmail.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:34:58 -0800
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
Message-ID: <F18fSh7Yzwofox1vSwA0000207a@hotmail.com>

I thought he was joking...
;>

Tommy

>To get off the list, see the bottom of the form at
>http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope (which is noted at the bottom 
>of
>every message sent to the list).
>
>- C

>
> > OK, how do I get off this list?




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From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Wed May  9 18:44:28 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:44:28 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMEEOHDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph> <3AF975F6.E8C99881@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <010101c0d8af$b2b8b620$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
others will be zoped in months time.
>
> *grinz* If only you could get www.fhm.com to be Zope hosted, that way I
could
> browse the, urm, pictures, and have the exucse that I'm 'testing out Zope'
:-)

yes lovely girls. I had never looked at FHM site.

I think the 'Zoomify' technology they use is great. [as seen with Win98se
IE5.5]
http://www.zoomify.com/zoomster/search/zoomsterSearch.asp

Preparing a Zopesite for artists to upload ditigal artwork.
Meeting nect week wiht some printers who have large format + fine-art
qualtity inkjets to offer a range of netart-on-demand custom print services.
It's a good Zope/ZEO application.

At them moment working with LocalFS, ExtFile/Image & Photo product so see
hwo we can offer efficent visual broswing of work. Having PIL behind Zope is
very cool.

Zoomify is very impressive though.
They have a nice drag'n'drop interface too
http://www.zoomify.com/zoomster/account/zoomsterCreate.asp

Does anyone have any ideas how to do this best with Zope and/or some other
openSource cross platform garphics toolkits?

How could one do a Zoomify with PIL ?

thanks
./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']




From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 18:40:02 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:40:02 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIAEOIKOHFEMNFAHBGEPPIIAA.gmilliken@farm9.com>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMMEPBDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

oh you're the guy who wrote 'subscribe' on the list.

wait let's see...

you can try this: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zope/join?referer=1

or visit the link at the bottom of every mail:
http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope

hope that helps. goog luck!

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summit Interactive, Inc.

http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Basta Ikaw Lord

-----Original Message-----
From: George Milliken [mailto:gmilliken@farm9.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:27 AM
To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph; Chris Withers; zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] Homepage


OK, how do I get off this list?

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Fritz
Mesedilla
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:05 AM
To: Chris Withers; zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] Homepage


oh but ours is the Philippine site.

http://www.fhm.com.ph is just a country site but it is a licensed site from
http://www.fhm.com

soon, fhm.com.ph will probably be zoped too. but in the meantime, why don't
you visit us or the uk site and view the top 100 women voted so far. we
don't have much pictures yet. we're still gathering more. *smirks*

yeah you're right about sigs. some people have given comments about it. but
hey, i'm just new in the working world. i gotta advertise for potential
employers. hahahaha!!!!

to all zope users:
thank you for making zope easier to use... by helping each other out. i will
also try to assist others with their problems.


Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summit Interactive, Inc.

http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Basta Ikaw Lord

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Withers [mailto:chrisw@nipltd.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:53 AM
To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Homepage


Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
>
> hahaha! but most of the websites in my email signature are in zope with
zeo.
>
> www.femalenetwork.com, www.cosmo.com.ph, www.smartparenting.com.ph,
> www.shopcrazy.com.ph
>
> the others will be zoped in months time.

*grinz* If only you could get www.fhm.com to be Zope hosted, that way I
could
browse the, urm, pictures, and have the exucse that I'm 'testing out Zope'
:-)

> i'm thankful for people like you to help me. this is a great list. i think
> it has evolved into a community.

Well, this is just one way that the Zope community expresses itself. Tehre
are
websites and the conferences are really good fun if you ca never make it
alongto
one :-)

cheers,

Chris (who doesn't approve of long sig files, check out how long mine is:)


_______________________________________________
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http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May  9 18:41:48 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:41:48 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Homepage
In-Reply-To: <F18fSh7Yzwofox1vSwA0000207a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMAEPCDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

i doubt it. he already sent like two email messages with 'unsubscribe' in
it.

oh, i'm getting sleepy. i wrote 'subscribe' in my other email.

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

"Ooops! Save your work, everyone. FAST!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summit Interactive, Inc.

http://www.femalenetwork.com | http://www.candymag.com
http://www.fhm.com.ph | http://www.cosmo.com.ph

FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
email: fritz@mesedilla.com   icq#: 23476449   yahoo id: fritzcm
http://www.fritzmesedilla.net and http://www.fritz.iscute.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+Basta Ikaw Lord

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tommy
Johnson
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:35 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Homepage


I thought he was joking...
;>

Tommy

>To get off the list, see the bottom of the form at
>http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope (which is noted at the bottom
>of
>every message sent to the list).
>
>- C

>
> > OK, how do I get off this list?




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From iap@y2fun.com  Wed May  9 19:02:51 2001
From: iap@y2fun.com (iap_y2fun.com)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:02:51 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Will the inheritance relationship will be preserved after export/import?
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMAEOEDOAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph> <026901c0d8aa$a4851940$6601a8c0@y2fun.com>
Message-ID: <000401c0d8b2$43af15a0$6601a8c0@y2fun.com>

Hi,
Suppose Product P1 is a subclass of Product P,
and M is a method of P, so that we can call both P.M and P1.M
Then,
P and P1 were exported from Data1.fs (Host A) ,
and imported to Data2.fs (Host B).

Now, let's move to the Host B, and modified the content of M.
and create an instance of Product P as p and Product P1 as p1.
It should be that p.M and p1.M execute the same code
(new content o f M).
But it is not.
p1.M execute the old code of M which is the same as it used to
be in Host A.
The interitance relationship seems broken after export/import
between different ZODB.
How can I rebuid the relationship between P and P1?

Thanks.
Iap





From alet@unice.fr  Wed May  9 19:07:35 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:07:35 +0200
Subject: Try this devel version, was: Re: [Zope] [zshell] ANN: 0.5 with wildcard expansion (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <00f301c0d8ac$e826b800$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>; from jasonic@nomadicsltd.com on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 01:24:29PM -0400
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010509170118.14767E-200000@cortex.unice.fr> <00f301c0d8ac$e826b800$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <20010509200735.A412@nordine.ateur>

On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 01:24:29PM -0400, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
> > OK, anyway attached to this message you'll find an external method to test
> > jaxml in Zope again !
> 
> Thanks.
> your test taught me nice new jaxml syntax tricks anyway..
> 
> BTW Do you have any larger examples of using jaxml I could look at?

it was written for: http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/scanerrlog/

> now I am looking at how your zshellscript mechanism works as this seeems to
> me what is not getting through.

an idea: replace the computed form action= in showPrompt by an action="zshell"

and tell me the results.

bye,
Jerome


From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Wed May  9 19:16:00 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:16:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Get attributes of a doc in another folder
Message-ID: <005501c0d8b4$1b10e9a0$0301a8c0@provence>

C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.

------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C0D8C4.DD465EA0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi from a newbie,

I got a dtml method at "/project" folder  from which I want to add =
attributes to a dtml doc at "/project/folder/adocument"
I tried to embed 2 consecutive <dtml-with> like following but it don't =
work. Did I miss something ?

<dtml-with folder>
<dtml-call "manage_addDTMLDocument(id=3Daname,title=3Dprenom+' =
'+nom,file=3D'')">
<dtml-with expr=3D"aname">
<dtml-call =
"manage_addProperty(id=3D'alias',value=3Dalias,type=3D'string')">
</dtml-with>
</dtml-with>

This adds the attribute to folder when I want it in adocument .

I'm lost somewhere...

TIA

Gilles


------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C0D8C4.DD465EA0
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3018.900" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi from a newbie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I got a dtml method at "/project" =
folder  from=20
which I want to add attributes to a dtml doc at=20
"/project/folder/adocument"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tried to embed 2 consecutive =
&lt;dtml-with&gt;=20
like following but it don't work. Did I miss something ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&lt;dtml-with folder&gt;</FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><BR>&lt;dtml-call =
"manage_addDTMLDocument(id=3Daname,title=3Dprenom+'=20
'+nom,file=3D'')"&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&lt;dtml-with =
expr=3D"aname"&gt;<BR>&lt;dtml-call=20
"manage_addProperty(id=3D'alias',value=3Dalias,type=3D'string')"&gt;<BR>&=
lt;/dtml-with&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&lt;/dtml-with&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This adds the attribute to folder when =
I want it in=20
adocument .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm lost somewhere...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>TIA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gilles<BR></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C0D8C4.DD465EA0--



From slinkp23@yahoo.com  Wed May  9 19:23:35 2001
From: slinkp23@yahoo.com (Paul Winkler)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:23:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope] External method default arg weirdness
References: <15096.16266.317370.302060@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <3AF98B27.788D2D61@yahoo.com>

Dieter Maurer wrote:
> 
> Paul Winkler writes:
>  > This is with Zope 2.2.2.
>  > If I give a default argument to the external method, and call it
>  > from a dtml method, the default gets used even if I pass the
>  > argument.
>  >
>  > Example: Try creating two external methods and calling them like
>  > this from standard_html_footer.
>  >
>  > <dtml-var "my_ext_method1(_['id'])">
>  > <dtml-var "my_ext_method2(_['id'])">
>  >
>  >
>  > Here are the two external method definitions:
>  >
>  > def my_ext_method1(id):
>  >      return "<br>%s" % id
>  >
>  > def my_ext_method2(id="oops"):
>  >      return "<br>%s" % id
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Anybody else get this? Why does it do that?
> I know this only, if the first parameter is called "self".
> 
> We use default parameters regularly (in Zope 2.1.6) and
> they work as expected.

Uhhh... duh, you're right. The methods I was actually using have
"self" as first parameter.

But I don't understand why that affects the rest of the
parameters??? Very un-pythonic.


-- 
...................    paul winkler   ....................
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From mps_@hotmail.com  Wed May  9 20:38:04 2001
From: mps_@hotmail.com (matt standish)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:38:04 -0500
Subject: [Zope] locked out
Message-ID: <OE19L83mxMAKyttoRaD00000924@hotmail.com>

Ok, now I've done it.  Yes I am a newbie.  I was editing my permissions and
then tried to relogin.  Zope wont accept any user names, including the
emergency user.  I tried running zpasswd.py and restarting ZOPE but I still
have the same problem.  Is there any way to reset the permissions back to
the default install?  Thanks for any help you can provide.

-Matt


From jburton@scw.org  Wed May  9 20:40:54 2001
From: jburton@scw.org (Joel Burton)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:40:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] locked out
In-Reply-To: <OE19L83mxMAKyttoRaD00000924@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105091540060.15362-100000@olympus.scw.org>

On Wed, 9 May 2001, matt standish wrote:

> Ok, now I've done it.  Yes I am a newbie.  I was editing my permissions and
> then tried to relogin.  Zope wont accept any user names, including the
> emergency user.  I tried running zpasswd.py and restarting ZOPE but I still
> have the same problem.  Is there any way to reset the permissions back to
> the default install?  Thanks for any help you can provide.

I don't think you can lock out the emergency user. Have you added a user
to the access file? using zpasswd.py? If so, can you tell us the exact
steps you're using?

-- 
Joel Burton   <jburton@scw.org>
Director of Information Systems, Support Center of Washington



From mps_@hotmail.com  Wed May  9 20:44:55 2001
From: mps_@hotmail.com (matt standish)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Zope] locked out
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105091540060.15362-100000@olympus.scw.org>
Message-ID: <OE32zGNsokLQ8aZRhQd000008c2@hotmail.com>

Disregard...I just got in....  Sorry about the premature post.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Burton" <jburton@scw.org>
To: "matt standish" <mps_@hotmail.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 14:40
Subject: Re: [Zope] locked out


> On Wed, 9 May 2001, matt standish wrote:
>
> > Ok, now I've done it.  Yes I am a newbie.  I was editing my permissions
and
> > then tried to relogin.  Zope wont accept any user names, including the
> > emergency user.  I tried running zpasswd.py and restarting ZOPE but I
still
> > have the same problem.  Is there any way to reset the permissions back
to
> > the default install?  Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
> I don't think you can lock out the emergency user. Have you added a user
> to the access file? using zpasswd.py? If so, can you tell us the exact
> steps you're using?
>
> --
> Joel Burton   <jburton@scw.org>
> Director of Information Systems, Support Center of Washington
>
>


From mps_@hotmail.com  Wed May  9 20:46:41 2001
From: mps_@hotmail.com (matt standish)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:46:41 -0500
Subject: [Zope] locked out
References: <OE19L83mxMAKyttoRaD00000924@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <OE514omRXf2LTrpwACk00000937@hotmail.com>

Disregard this message, premature  post.....sorry
----- Original Message -----
From: "matt standish" <mps_@hotmail.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 14:38
Subject: [Zope] locked out


> Ok, now I've done it.  Yes I am a newbie.  I was editing my permissions
and
> then tried to relogin.  Zope wont accept any user names, including the
> emergency user.  I tried running zpasswd.py and restarting ZOPE but I
still
> have the same problem.  Is there any way to reset the permissions back to
> the default install?  Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
> -Matt
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  9 19:45:46 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:45:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Problem w/ lines-->List in edit form
In-Reply-To: <216614541@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15097.36954.59172.823061@lindm.dm>

sean.upton@uniontrib.com writes:
 >  ... filtering empty sequence elements ...
As you are in a Python product and not hampered by (sometimes
stupid) Zope security restrictions, there probably is nothing simpler than:

	      l= filter(None,l)

This removes any false element, empty elements in your case.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  9 20:03:50 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:03:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] the neverending constructors
In-Reply-To: <765135545@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15097.38038.329243.312837@lindm.dm>

Marco Mariani writes:
 >  ... many constructors ...
 > Is there a way to avoid declaring everything under the sun?
You may be able to automate this, through a function
"getConstructors". Of course, you will probably need to obey some
conventions to give this function a chance to find the constructors.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  9 19:43:01 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:43:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] zeo database
In-Reply-To: <674251136@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15097.36789.617779.577654@lindm.dm>

sean.upton@uniontrib.com writes:
 > However, doesn't Python impose some sort of limit as well?  Anyone have a
 > number?  Does this depend on the architecture of the machine (i.e. 64 vs. 32
 > bit)?
Python does not impose a serious limit (independent on the word size).
If the C library and the underlying operating system can handle
files larger than 2 GB, then Python can do, too.

If you upgrade your C library for large file support, you may need
to reconfigure and regenerate Python as the file access interfaces
are not binary compatible.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  9 20:00:28 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:00:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] login, permission and REQUEST env
In-Reply-To: <776560388@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15097.37836.984824.762680@lindm.dm>

Stefan Berthold writes:
 >   (1) For article management I need to login some users but this (let's 
 > call them) editors don't need the permission to view management screens 
 > (they will use html-formulars to manage their articles)... till now I 
 > couldn't find a way to login users without this permission (e.g. 
 > through a regular html-form and a dtml method).
I do not understand what you say here.

  You do not need "View management screens" for authentication.

 >   (2) Owners of dtml documents usually have the permission to change 
 > and delete their documents... but how can I discover if somebody have 
 > this (implicitly) given Owner role?
First question:

  Why do you want to do this? I would instead check, whether
  I was entitled to do some operation. This could use:

    <dtml-if "_.SecurityCheckPermission(_,<permission>,<object>)">
      ...

Second question:

  Did you look at the embedded Zope help -> API Reference -> Authenticated User

  You will find there a method "hasRole".


 >   (3) (Not just) For a kind of skin technology I need parameters that 
 > are user specific (REQUEST variables)... to set and analyse them may be 
 > no problem - but how can include new parameters to the old URL without 
 > deleting the old parameters? What I need is a way to add parameters to 
 > the REQUEST environment...
The REQUEST environment and the URL are quite different things.

To extend the request environment:

    <dtml-call "REQUEST.set(<key>,<value>)">

To extend the URL (provide you know, it has already parameters):

   &dtml.-URL;&<name>=<dtml-var "<value>" url_quote_plus>


Maybe

  URL:http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope/book/chap3.html

would be good reading for you.



Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  9 20:01:06 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:01:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked checkbox?
In-Reply-To: <628217584@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15097.37874.433808.921983@lindm.dm>

Stephane Bortzmeyer writes:
 > On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:43:10AM -0400,
 >  marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com> wrote 
 >  a message of 9 lines which said:
 > 
 > > parameters=beverage="",sugar=0,milk=0,RESPONSE
 > 
 > I already tried (it would be better to have a normal HTML form, so
 > that any HTML author can edit it, and to keep all Zope-specific stuff
 > in the Python script) but:
 > 
 > SyntaxError: non-default argument follows default argument

     parameters=beverage="",sugar=0,milk=0,RESPONSE=None


Dieter


From diask8@yahoo.com.br  Wed May  9 20:57:56 2001
From: diask8@yahoo.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?q?daniel=20dias?=)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:57:56 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [Zope] substring search in fieldindex and keywordindex
Message-ID: <20010509195756.75456.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com>

How to make a substring search in the catalog with
FieldIndex or KeywordIndex.

Any ideas will be welcome.

Regards,

daniel »d!aS«

_______________________________________________________________________________________________
Yahoo! GeoCities
Tenha seu lugar na Web. Construa hoje mesmo sua home page no Yahoo! GeoCites. É fácil e grátis!
http://br.geocities.yahoo.com/


From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May  9 21:14:02 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:14:02 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] substring search in fieldindex and keywordindex
References: <20010509195756.75456.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <036a01c0d8c4$97567830$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

This can't be done... a FieldIndex treats a value atomically, and you can't
search for e.g. "foo*" or "foo?".  If you need to do a "fuzzy-match" type of
search, a TextIndex is more appropriate.

HTH,

-0 C

Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:57 PM
Subject: [ZDP] substring search in fieldindex and keywordindex


How to make a substring search in the catalog with
FieldIndex or KeywordIndex.

Any ideas will be welcome.

Regards,

daniel »d!aS«

____________________________________________________________________________
___________________
Yahoo! GeoCities
Tenha seu lugar na Web. Construa hoje mesmo sua home page no Yahoo!
GeoCites. É fácil e grátis!
http://br.geocities.yahoo.com/

_______________________________________________
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http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zdp




From simon@joyful.com  Wed May  9 22:34:59 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 09 May 2001 14:34:59 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105071502130.31531-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <871ypy9pfg.fsf@joyful.com>

Michel Pelletier <michel@digicool.com> writes:
> We had this debate about ten years ago (internet time).  The result
> of that debate is obvious.  Let's let dead dogs lie.

Hi Michel,

oops - wasn't aware this was a dog. (I might have forgotten). 
Naturally until I see a good counter-argument from someone I'll
continue to think the current setup is broken.*

It looks as if you want to squelch this thread, but it would have been
nice to discuss this a little longer. We might have found out more
about what the current consensus is (we had 2 for & 2 against); why
people find it useful; who's decision it is one way or another; etc.

>From time to time I see discussions around here which seem well within
bounds of reasonable tone and topic, and which interest at least some
of the list membership, which "DC" seems to feel it must stamp on.

So I'll take the opportunity to ask: does DC officially frown on eg
threads like this one ?

-Simon


* a technical term. "Not as good as it could and should be IMHO".


From abg@comco-inc.com  Wed May  9 22:59:31 2001
From: abg@comco-inc.com (abg@comco-inc.com)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:59:31 -0500
Subject: [Zope] MailHost on Windows NT?
Message-ID: <E0B8F48066A8D311BDC9006097D6115113E7AC@SERVER1.local>

I'm running Zope 2.3.2 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86) behind IIS
on a WindowsNT box.

Does anyone have any experience setting up MailHosts on NT? I keep getting
the following error when trying to send email:

Zope Error
Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
Error Type: SMTPHeloError
Error Value: (501, 'Invalid Address')

It looks as though there's some sort of authentication issue between Zope
and my SMTP server, which is odd considering they're on the same box. Even
when I configure the SMTP server to allow all relaying, Zope can't get
through.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Aaron


From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May  9 23:06:00 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:06:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] MailHost on Windows NT?
In-Reply-To: <E0B8F48066A8D311BDC9006097D6115113E7AC@SERVER1.local>
References: <E0B8F48066A8D311BDC9006097D6115113E7AC@SERVER1.local>
Message-ID: <8614413.989453160@BUZZER>

Hi Aaron,

may be your zope does not know his own hostname?
Try to set something reasonable in DNS and/or
hosts file.

You may also test your mailhost by hand (see rfc822 on
http://www.faqs.org/ )

HTH
Tino Wildenhain



--On Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2001 16:59 -0500 abg@comco-inc.com wrote:

> I'm running Zope 2.3.2 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86) behind
> IIS on a WindowsNT box.
>
> Does anyone have any experience setting up MailHosts on NT? I keep getting
> the following error when trying to send email:
>
> Zope Error
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> Error Type: SMTPHeloError
> Error Value: (501, 'Invalid Address')
>
> It looks as though there's some sort of authentication issue between Zope
> and my SMTP server, which is odd considering they're on the same box. Even
> when I configure the SMTP server to allow all relaying, Zope can't get
> through.
>
> Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Aaron
>
> _______________________________________________
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From nitin@borwankar.com  Wed May  9 23:49:21 2001
From: nitin@borwankar.com (Nitin Borwankar)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 15:49:21 -0700
Subject: [Zope] MailHost on Windows NT?
In-Reply-To: <E0B8F48066A8D311BDC9006097D6115113E7AC@SERVER1.local>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010509153805.02d56110@nbor.borwankar.com>

Just guessing here, but it sounds like one of the following - 

a) you may have an inadvertent "localhost" in your configuration
b) your mail configuration may be seeing host.domain.com instead of domain.com  or vice-versa
c)  your host may have 2 different IP addresses (one internal non-routable 192.168.a.b , 10.0.c.d and one externally visible) 
     this may be causing DNS errors.

AFAIK, the error msg is saying that the SMTP server doesn't recognize the hostname you are using to address
the host on which the SMTP server resides (or something closely equivalent).


Nitin Borwankar
President and CEO, Borwankar Research Inc.
ntin@borwankar.com
510-653-8394

At 02:59 PM 5/9/01, abg@comco-inc.com wrote:
>I'm running Zope 2.3.2 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86) behind IIS
>on a WindowsNT box.
>
>Does anyone have any experience setting up MailHosts on NT? I keep getting
>the following error when trying to send email:
>
>Zope Error
>Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
>Error Type: SMTPHeloError
>Error Value: (501, 'Invalid Address')
>
>It looks as though there's some sort of authentication issue between Zope
>and my SMTP server, which is odd considering they're on the same box. Even
>when I configure the SMTP server to allow all relaying, Zope can't get
>through.
>
>Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Aaron
>
>_______________________________________________
>Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>**   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>(Related lists - 
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From tmoore@tembel.org  Wed May  9 23:51:38 2001
From: tmoore@tembel.org (Tim Moore)
Date: 09 May 2001 22:51:38 +0000
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog & resource not found error
Message-ID: <84vgnarv9h.fsf@challah.msrl.com>

This python script:

results = container.Catalog(meta_type='Broadcast',
                            getStartTime=DateTime(),
                            getStartTime_usage='range:min',
                            sort_on='getStartTime')

return results[0]

produces this error when I click the 'Test' tab:

Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. 

Resource not found

Sorry, the requested Zope resource does not exist.
Check the URL and try again.

If I take the [0] part off and have it return the whole results list,
I have no problems (it returns a list with two items).  Weird.

Any clues? (Zope 2.3.1 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86))
-- 
Tim Moore


From alet@unice.fr  Thu May 10 00:12:52 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:12:52 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.6
Message-ID: <20010510011252.A1230@nordine.ateur>

Hi,

ZShell 0.6 is now downloadable from:

	http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

Thanks to Michel Pelletier and Peter Bengtsson for
their help.

New features:
=============

- An unneeded pack doesn't throw an ugly error message anymore.
- Security checks: it is now safe(r) to let everyone
  use zshell. Don't know if all security checks are
  complete and/or correct, but it's far better now
  than before.
  WARNING: no security check is done on:
           restart, shutdown, pack and lrole
           but the rest should be OK.
- Multiple identical error messages are displayed once.
- Some bugfixes.
- Commands lsprop, delprop, addprop and setprop added.
- UI changes for configurability, but still need to
  modify the source, but at least it's at the top of it.
- The dynamically set action modifier of the form is now
  statically set to 'zshell', the problem many encountered
  probably came from that (please confirm/infirm).

Please report bugs and comments at: alet@unice.fr

Thanks in advance.

Jerome Alet


From simon@joyful.com  Thu May 10 00:08:36 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 09 May 2001 16:08:36 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <871ypy9pfg.fsf@joyful.com> (Simon Michael's message of "09 May 2001 14:34:59 -0700")
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105071502130.31531-100000@localhost.localdomain>
 <871ypy9pfg.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <87snie86iz.fsf@joyful.com>

Simon Michael <simon@joyful.com> writes:
> From time to time I see discussions around here which seem well within
> bounds of reasonable tone and topic, and which interest at least some
> of the list membership, which "DC" seems to feel it must stamp on.

PS "stamp on" isn't meant as a pejorative, nor is this message
intended as criticism of anyone. I'm asking if the above perception is
a mistaken one, with intent to clarify a murky issue and strengthen
these lists.

Thanks --SM


From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 10 01:02:38 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:02:38 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog & resource not found error
References: <84vgnarv9h.fsf@challah.msrl.com>
Message-ID: <3AF9DA9E.FC387FB6@digicool.com>

The objects returned in the sequence returned from Catalog.searchResults
are "brain" objects.  These objects have no default representation.  
This may be what you're looking to do:

results = container.Catalog(meta_type='Broadcast',
                            getStartTime=DateTime(),
                            getStartTime_usage='range:min',
                            sort_on='getStartTime')

result = results[0]
return container.Catalog.getObject(result)

Tim Moore wrote:
> 
> This python script:
> 
> 
> return results[0]
> 
> produces this error when I click the 'Test' tab:
> 
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> 
> Resource not found
> 
> Sorry, the requested Zope resource does not exist.
> Check the URL and try again.
> 
> If I take the [0] part off and have it return the whole results list,
> I have no problems (it returns a list with two items).  Weird.
> 
> Any clues? (Zope 2.3.1 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86))
> --
> Tim Moore
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From tim@freepm.org  Thu May 10 01:12:48 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 19:12:48 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Get attributes of a doc in another folder
References: <005501c0d8b4$1b10e9a0$0301a8c0@provence>
Message-ID: <3AF9DD00.C94B0122@iswt.com>

> Gilles Lenfant wrote:
> 
> Hi from a newbie,
> 
> I got a dtml method at "/project" folder from which I want to
> add attributes to a dtml doc at "/project/folder/adocument"
> I tried to embed 2 consecutive <dtml-with> like following but
> it don't work. Did I miss something ?
> 
> <dtml-with folder>
> <dtml-call "manage_addDTMLDocument(id=aname,title=prenom+'
> '+nom,file='')">
> <dtml-with expr="aname">
> <dtml-call
> "manage_addProperty(id='alias',value=alias,type='string')">
> </dtml-with>
> </dtml-with>
> 
> This adds the attribute to folder when I want it in adocument .

TRY:
<dtml-with folder>
  <dtml-call "manage_addDTMLDocument(id=aname,title=prenom+'
'+nom,file='')">
  <dtml-with "_.getitem(aname)">
    <dtml-call
"manage_addProperty(id='alias',value=alias,type='string')">
  </dtml-with>
</dtml-with>

HTH,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From scott.meilicke@intp.com  Thu May 10 01:26:30 2001
From: scott.meilicke@intp.com (Meilicke, Scott)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:26:30 -0700
Subject: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing 'view', not co
 ntents
Message-ID: <A0CB750E1402D511A47600A0C9E110D103960F@IWA-MERCURY>

I'm using IE 5.5, win2k as a client, and when I enter a management screen,
the right hand frame shows the 'view' of the object I select in the nav pane
instead of the contents of that object.  As a result, I cannot do much in
zope.  This works fine in netscape.  Any thoughts on how to correct this?

Thanks - Scott


From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 10 01:47:55 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:47:55 -0400
Subject: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing 'view',
 not contents
References: <A0CB750E1402D511A47600A0C9E110D103960F@IWA-MERCURY>
Message-ID: <3AF9E53B.945CA0F2@digicool.com>

Hi Scott... this is a known bug in some versions of IE 5.5.  Upgrade
your browser to the latest IE and it will go away.

"Meilicke, Scott" wrote:
> 
> I'm using IE 5.5, win2k as a client, and when I enter a management screen,
> the right hand frame shows the 'view' of the object I select in the nav pane
> instead of the contents of that object.  As a result, I cannot do much in
> zope.  This works fine in netscape.  Any thoughts on how to correct this?
> 
> Thanks - Scott
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May 10 06:18:46 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Zope] History of DC and/or Zope
Message-ID: <000001c0d910$b9723e30$abcc4e18@cr582427a>

I'm looking for any documents about the history and beginning of Zope.
(Searches on Zope.org have turned up nothing so far, still searching)

I'm giving an intro to Zope talk to developers and wanted to quickly cover
the history of Zope / DC etc. If there any suitable talks on this topic,
pointers to those would be appreciated too :)

Thanks.

--
  Andy McKay



From tim@freepm.org  Thu May 10 06:36:14 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:36:14 -0500
Subject: [Zope] History of DC and/or Zope
References: <000001c0d910$b9723e30$abcc4e18@cr582427a>
Message-ID: <3AFA28CE.CE73A499@iswt.com>

Andy McKay wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for any documents about the history and beginning of Zope.
> (Searches on Zope.org have turned up nothing so far, still searching)
> 
> I'm giving an intro to Zope talk to developers and wanted to quickly cover
> the history of Zope / DC etc. If there any suitable talks on this topic,
> pointers to those would be appreciated too :)
> 

There is: http://www.zope.org/Resources/ZopeBirth.html
I'm sure Paul could provide more insight. I no longer found the
document on digicool.com about the opensource decision before
going public.  I'm sure someone has a copy?

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From adewit@niwa.cri.nz  Thu May 10 06:47:23 2001
From: adewit@niwa.cri.nz (Arian de Wit)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:47:23 +1200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: web logging
Message-ID: <3AFAD3E2.1496.1F47F70@localhost>

Hi All,

Perhaps this is a silly question, but here it is anyway, since I 
couldn't readily find anything about it in the documentation.

Is it possible to get ZServer to produce a web traffic log which we 
could then analyse in a similar fashion to standard http logs like 
those of Apache or IIS?


Many thanks,

Arian

 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Information Systems Integration Manager
NIWA (National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research)
Gate 10 Silverdale Road, Box 11-115, Hamilton, New Zealand
Phone  (+64) 7-856 1769
Fax    (+64) 7-856 0151
Web    http://www.niwa.cri.nz
 ------------------------------------------------------------------


From cnj@finsiel.ro  Thu May 10 07:25:34 2001
From: cnj@finsiel.ro (Andrei Cenja)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:25:34 +0300
Subject: [Zope] Adding an ExtFile from a web page
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010510092319.00a88e08@192.168.1.254>

--=====================_58536290==_.ALT
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

Hello !

I'm trying to use the ExtFile product to upload files into the filesystem 
of the machine running Zope.

I previously used manage_addFile to upload files (from a web page, not the 
manager) into the ZODB like this:

context.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].manage_addFile(id=<>, title=<>, file=<> )

and now I would like to do something equivalent with manage_addExtFile; 
however, I constantly receive a key error

Error Type: KeyError
Error Value: standard_html_header

It seems that it's not any of "my" dtml-vars, but rather my incorrect use 
of the ExtFile object, and being very new at this, I'm not making much out 
of reading the code.

Could you please give me a hint on how can be a file uploaded from a web 
page with the ExtFile object ?

Thank you !

Andrei Cenja, Bucharest, Romania.
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Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

<html>
Hello !<br><br>
I'm trying to use the ExtFile product to upload files into the filesystem
of the machine running Zope.<br><br>
I previously used manage_addFile to upload files (from a web page, not
the manager) into the ZODB like this:<br><br>
context.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].manage_addFile(id=&lt;&gt;,
title=&lt;&gt;, file=&lt;&gt; )<br><br>
and now I would like to do something equivalent with manage_addExtFile;
however, I constantly receive a key error <br><br>
<b>Error Type: KeyError<br>
Error Value: standard_html_header<br><br>
</b>It seems that it's not any of &quot;my&quot; dtml-vars, but rather my
incorrect use of the ExtFile object, and being very new at this, I'm not
making much out of reading the code. <br><br>
Could you please give me a hint on how can be a file uploaded from a web
page with the ExtFile object ?<br><br>
Thank you !<br><br>
Andrei Cenja, Bucharest, Romania.</html>

--=====================_58536290==_.ALT--



From Thierry.NABETH@insead.fr  Thu May 10 09:07:25 2001
From: Thierry.NABETH@insead.fr (NABETH Thierry)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:07:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Will the inheritance relationship will be preserved af
 ter export/import?
Message-ID: <C374E6A0E25BD41197FB00508B014A1301FE1D83@FW-ZEUS>

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Hello Iap,

>> The interitance relationship seems broken after export/import
between different ZODB.

Following is the message I have posted about this bug in January.
I have mentioned already this bug several time, but until now I seemed
to be the only one that care about this bug. (which makes me ask question
about how much or how little the Zope community is using object orientation
and inheritance with the Dtml language).

I have personally stopped all design on the Zope platform (which I find
some concept very interesting), and am concentrating my effort on
Java/servlets
because of this bug.

I hope you find some way to solve your problems.

Bye,

Thierry

-----Original Message-----
From: Thierry Nabeth [mailto:Thierry.Nabeth@insead.fr]
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 10:46 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Cc: Thierry Nabeth
Subject: Serious BUG in Export. ==> pb of lost inheritance if export /
reimport.


Hello,

I would like to mention a very serious bug (for me), that prevent to use
inheritance between two classes defined in two different package, if
you have to export and reimport those packages.

In a previous mail I mentionned a problem of Inheritance lost between
packages.

I spent a lot of time investigating the problem, and in particular looking
in the
export file (xml version).

First here is the test:

Phase 1: create the products and the classes.

Create a product PA
Create a class A in the product PA.
Create a method "test" in class A.  (this method display "before").

Create a product PB
Create a class B in the product PB which inherits from A.

Create an instance a of A.
Create an instance b of B.

Phase 2: test the inheritance.  ==> everything works fine

Executing the method "test" on those two instances return.
a.test  ==> "before"
b.test  ==> "before"
The result is correct.

Phase 3: export / reimport product PB, and modify methode "test".

Export the product PB. (PB.zexp is generated)
Delete the product PB and restart zope.
Import the product PB (PB.zexp) and restart zope.

Modify the method "test" in class A..  (this method display "after").

Phase 4: test the inheritance.  ==> B does not work correctly.

Executing the method "test" on those two instances return.
a.test  ==> "after"
b.test  ==> "before"      ####### this is incorect. !!!!!!


I spent a lot of time investing this problem, in particular looking
in the xml export file.
The problem is that when you export PB, the exported file also
contain the definition of class A.
When you re-import PB, B inherits from a class A that is different
from the class A that is in the product PA.
You have a kind of Zombie class A.
(note: reimporting class A doesn't solve the problem).

If someone has some idea how to fix this bug which almost forbid
the use of inheritance between products in zope (unless you have a
master server that never import anything) ?!

Thierry Nabeth
Research Fellow,
INSEAD CALT (The Centre for Advanced Learning Technologies)
http://www.insead.edu/CALT/
Thierry.Nabeth@insead.fr



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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Hello Iap,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;&gt; The interitance relationship seems broken after export/import</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>between different ZODB.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Following is the message I have posted about this bug in January.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I have mentioned already this bug several time, but until now I seemed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to be the only one that care about this bug. (which makes me ask question</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>about how much or how little the Zope community is using object orientation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and inheritance with the Dtml language).</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>I have personally stopped all design on the Zope platform (which I find</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>some concept very interesting), and am concentrating my effort on Java/servlets</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>because of this bug.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>I hope you find some way to solve your problems.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Bye,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thierry</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Thierry Nabeth [<A HREF="mailto:Thierry.Nabeth@insead.fr">mailto:Thierry.Nabeth@insead.fr</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 10:46 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: zope@zope.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Cc: Thierry Nabeth</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Serious BUG in Export. ==&gt; pb of lost inheritance if export /</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>reimport.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Hello,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>I would like to mention a very serious bug (for me), that prevent to use</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>inheritance between two classes defined in two different package, if</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>you have to export and reimport those packages.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>In a previous mail I mentionned a problem of Inheritance lost between</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>packages.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>I spent a lot of time investigating the problem, and in particular looking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>in the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>export file (xml version).</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>First here is the test:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Phase 1: create the products and the classes.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Create a product PA</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Create a class A in the product PA.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Create a method &quot;test&quot; in class A.&nbsp; (this method display &quot;before&quot;).</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Create a product PB</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Create a class B in the product PB which inherits from A.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Create an instance a of A.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Create an instance b of B.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Phase 2: test the inheritance.&nbsp; ==&gt; everything works fine</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Executing the method &quot;test&quot; on those two instances return.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>a.test&nbsp; ==&gt; &quot;before&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>b.test&nbsp; ==&gt; &quot;before&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>The result is correct.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Phase 3: export / reimport product PB, and modify methode &quot;test&quot;.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Export the product PB. (PB.zexp is generated)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Delete the product PB and restart zope.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Import the product PB (PB.zexp) and restart zope.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Modify the method &quot;test&quot; in class A..&nbsp; (this method display &quot;after&quot;).</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Phase 4: test the inheritance.&nbsp; ==&gt; B does not work correctly.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Executing the method &quot;test&quot; on those two instances return.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>a.test&nbsp; ==&gt; &quot;after&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>b.test&nbsp; ==&gt; &quot;before&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ####### this is incorect. !!!!!!</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>I spent a lot of time investing this problem, in particular looking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>in the xml export file.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>The problem is that when you export PB, the exported file also</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>contain the definition of class A.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>When you re-import PB, B inherits from a class A that is different</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>from the class A that is in the product PA.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>You have a kind of Zombie class A.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>(note: reimporting class A doesn't solve the problem).</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>If someone has some idea how to fix this bug which almost forbid</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the use of inheritance between products in zope (unless you have a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>master server that never import anything) ?!</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thierry Nabeth</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Research Fellow,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>INSEAD CALT (The Centre for Advanced Learning Technologies)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2><A HREF="http://www.insead.edu/CALT/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.insead.edu/CALT/</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Thierry.Nabeth@insead.fr</FONT>
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From kosh@aesaeion.com  Thu May 10 02:17:02 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:17:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] Will the inheritance relationship will be preserved af
 ter export/import?
In-Reply-To: <C374E6A0E25BD41197FB00508B014A1301FE1D83@FW-ZEUS>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105100116080.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>

Are you using zclasses or python products? I have not seen this behavior
with python products. If you are using zclasses then you should expect
this kind of thing. Zclasses are not robust solutions they mostly seem
designed for trivial solutions by largely non programmers.

On Thu, 10 May 2001, NABETH Thierry wrote:

> Hello Iap,
>
> >> The interitance relationship seems broken after export/import
> between different ZODB.
>
> Following is the message I have posted about this bug in January.
> I have mentioned already this bug several time, but until now I seemed
> to be the only one that care about this bug. (which makes me ask question
> about how much or how little the Zope community is using object orientation
> and inheritance with the Dtml language).
>
> I have personally stopped all design on the Zope platform (which I find
> some concept very interesting), and am concentrating my effort on
> Java/servlets
> because of this bug.
>
> I hope you find some way to solve your problems.
>
> Bye,
>
> Thierry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thierry Nabeth [mailto:Thierry.Nabeth@insead.fr]
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 10:46 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Cc: Thierry Nabeth
> Subject: Serious BUG in Export. ==> pb of lost inheritance if export /
> reimport.
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to mention a very serious bug (for me), that prevent to use
> inheritance between two classes defined in two different package, if
> you have to export and reimport those packages.
>
> In a previous mail I mentionned a problem of Inheritance lost between
> packages.
>
> I spent a lot of time investigating the problem, and in particular looking
> in the
> export file (xml version).
>
> First here is the test:
>
> Phase 1: create the products and the classes.
>
> Create a product PA
> Create a class A in the product PA.
> Create a method "test" in class A.  (this method display "before").
>
> Create a product PB
> Create a class B in the product PB which inherits from A.
>
> Create an instance a of A.
> Create an instance b of B.
>
> Phase 2: test the inheritance.  ==> everything works fine
>
> Executing the method "test" on those two instances return.
> a.test  ==> "before"
> b.test  ==> "before"
> The result is correct.
>
> Phase 3: export / reimport product PB, and modify methode "test".
>
> Export the product PB. (PB.zexp is generated)
> Delete the product PB and restart zope.
> Import the product PB (PB.zexp) and restart zope.
>
> Modify the method "test" in class A..  (this method display "after").
>
> Phase 4: test the inheritance.  ==> B does not work correctly.
>
> Executing the method "test" on those two instances return.
> a.test  ==> "after"
> b.test  ==> "before"      ####### this is incorect. !!!!!!
>
>
> I spent a lot of time investing this problem, in particular looking
> in the xml export file.
> The problem is that when you export PB, the exported file also
> contain the definition of class A.
> When you re-import PB, B inherits from a class A that is different
> from the class A that is in the product PA.
> You have a kind of Zombie class A.
> (note: reimporting class A doesn't solve the problem).
>
> If someone has some idea how to fix this bug which almost forbid
> the use of inheritance between products in zope (unless you have a
> master server that never import anything) ?!
>
> Thierry Nabeth
> Research Fellow,
> INSEAD CALT (The Centre for Advanced Learning Technologies)
> http://www.insead.edu/CALT/
> Thierry.Nabeth@insead.fr
>
>
>



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 10 09:47:06 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:47:06 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] substring search in fieldindex and keywordindex
References: <20010509195756.75456.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> <036a01c0d8c4$97567830$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <3AFA558A.53212FC0@nipltd.com>

Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> This can't be done... a FieldIndex treats a value atomically, and you can't
> search for e.g. "foo*" or "foo?".  If you need to do a "fuzzy-match" type of
> search, a TextIndex is more appropriate.

Although the defautl splitter will thwart things for you :-)

*grinz*

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 10 09:48:41 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:48:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing 'view',
 not contents
References: <A0CB750E1402D511A47600A0C9E110D103960F@IWA-MERCURY> <3AF9E53B.945CA0F2@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3AFA55E9.1002685D@nipltd.com>

Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott... this is a known bug in some versions of IE 5.5.  Upgrade
> your browser to the latest IE and it will go away.

Someone here is still having this problem with the latest-and-greatest IE Sp2
:-(

Chris

(the web is dead, long live the OODB and a dedicated fat client ;-)


From arno.gross@consotec.de  Thu May 10 10:49:19 2001
From: arno.gross@consotec.de (Arno Gross)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:49:19 -0100
Subject: [Zope] Adding an ExtFile from a web page
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010510092319.00a88e08@192.168.1.254>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010510092319.00a88e08@192.168.1.254>
Message-ID: <01051008532000.13323@force>

I used only ExtImage with the following snippet:


          <dtml-let ret="manage_addProduct['ExtFile'].manage_addExtImage(title=_['PICTURE.TITLE'],
                                                               descr=_['PICTURE.DESCR'],
                                                               file=_['PICTURE.FILE'],
                                                               content_type='',
                                                               create_prev=create_prev,
                                                               maxx=maxx,
                                                               maxy=maxy,
                                                               ratio=ratio,
                                                               permission_check=permission_check,
                                                               REQUEST=REQUEST)">
                                                               
For adding an ExtFile object you have to use:

manage_addExtFile(self, id='', title='', descr='', file='', content_type='', permission_check=0, REQUEST=None)

Best regards
   Arno

On Thu, 10 May 2001, Andrei Cenja wrote:
> 
> Hello !
> 
> I'm trying to use the ExtFile product to upload files into the filesystem 
> of the machine running Zope.
> 
> I previously used manage_addFile to upload files (from a web page, not the 
> manager) into the ZODB like this:
> 
> context.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].manage_addFile(id=<>, title=<>, file=<> )
> 
> and now I would like to do something equivalent with manage_addExtFile; 
> however, I constantly receive a key error
> 
> Error Type: KeyError
> Error Value: standard_html_header
> 
> It seems that it's not any of "my" dtml-vars, but rather my incorrect use 
> of the ExtFile object, and being very new at this, I'm not making much out 
> of reading the code.
> 
> Could you please give me a hint on how can be a file uploaded from a web 
> page with the ExtFile object ?
> 
> Thank you !
> 
> Andrei Cenja, Bucharest, Romania.

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From bz@bwanazulia.com  Thu May 10 10:27:12 2001
From: bz@bwanazulia.com (BZ)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 05:27:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: web logging
In-Reply-To: <3AFAD3E2.1496.1F47F70@localhost>
References: <3AFAD3E2.1496.1F47F70@localhost>
Message-ID: <p05100c00b7200f3be98b@[10.0.1.18]>

It does. Look in the var/ directory at the file called "Z2.log"

Chock-full-o-logs

BZ



At 5:47 PM +1200 5/10/01, Arian de Wit wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Perhaps this is a silly question, but here it is anyway, since I
>couldn't readily find anything about it in the documentation.
>
>Is it possible to get ZServer to produce a web traffic log which we
>could then analyse in a similar fashion to standard http logs like
>those of Apache or IIS?
>
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Arian


From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Thu May 10 10:49:35 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:49:35 +0800
Subject: [Zope] zeo problem
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMAEDADPAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

help!

how come one of our zeo client keeps on trying to connect to the zeo server
even after it has connected already?

this just happens after a half-day of running without restarts.

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

Summit Interactive, Inc.
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://contemplation401.tripod.com                     +Basta Ikaw Lord



From nika@kassube.de  Wed May  9 19:42:55 2001
From: nika@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:42:55 +0200
Subject: [Zope] HTML forms: how to get the value of an unchecked checkbox?
In-Reply-To: <20010508221003.B30015@internatif.org>; from bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:10:03PM +0200
References: <20010507154837.A11871@internatif.org> <008401c0d701$2e7ac1f0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org> <20010507163113.B13607@internatif.org> <004801c0d7c8$385e5070$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org> <20010508221003.B30015@internatif.org>
Message-ID: <20010509204255.B25654@kursk.kassube.de>

* Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com> [2001-05-08 22:10]:
 
> OK, the examples in the Zope Book (is there a better source of
> information?) do not mention it, they use parameters of the script.

In the final edition of the Zope Book, you can read this on page
127 (Chapter 8, "Advanced Zope Scripting"):

|In addition to form variables, you can specify any request variables as
|script parameters. For example, to get access to the request and
|response objects just include REQUEST and RESPONSE in your list of
|parameters. Request variables are detailed more fully in Appendix B.

> ##bind namespace=REQUEST

It's probably a bad idea to call the DTML namespace "REQUEST", 
because...

> ##bind script=script
> ##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
> ##parameters=beverage,RESPONSE,REQUEST

... your REQUEST is coming from here. Obviously you are not
using the DTML name space object in your Python Script
because it's overwritten (Correct English?) by your parameter
with the same name. So you can leave the namespace line
empty. 

Cheers,
Nils


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Wed May  9 12:21:05 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:21:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Some mathematical problems ...
Message-ID: <01050913210502.02657@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello ... 
I don't know if I can explain it clear enough but here goes:
I am trying to update to values in a database. The values are a priority 
number, used to sort a list by. My code looks like this:

<dtml-call expr="sqlUpdateServerAbove(id=id, priority=priority+1, 
ServerNetid=ServerNetid, oldpriority=_.int(REQUEST.oldpriority)-1)">

The id-variable and the priority-variable comes from another sql-query and 
works just fine.
The ServerNetid-variable and the oldpriority-variable are passed from a form.
Now when this script is called it updates the record that comes from the 
other sql-query, but not the record that comes from the form (the best 
explanation I can come up with).
So I guess it is because the oldpriority=_.int(REQUEST.oldpriority)-1) 
doesn't work.
The values (before the <dtml-call>-statement is:
id=1
priority=1
ServerNetid=2
oldpriority=2

When the script has been called the values are:
id=1
priority=2
ServerNetid=2
priority=2 (and this should be 1)

Anyone with a good idea ??

Regards,
-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Thu May 10 09:24:43 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:24:43 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Some mathematical problems ...
Message-ID: <01050913210502.02657@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello ... 
I don't know if I can explain it clear enough but here goes:
I am trying to update to values in a database. The values are a priority 
number, used to sort a list by. My code looks like this:

<dtml-call expr="sqlUpdateServerAbove(id=id, priority=priority+1, 
ServerNetid=ServerNetid, oldpriority=_.int(REQUEST.oldpriority)-1)">

The id-variable and the priority-variable comes from another sql-query and 
works just fine.
The ServerNetid-variable and the oldpriority-variable are passed from a form.
Now when this script is called it updates the record that comes from the 
other sql-query, but not the record that comes from the form (the best 
explanation I can come up with).
So I guess it is because the oldpriority=_.int(REQUEST.oldpriority)-1) 
doesn't work.
The values (before the <dtml-call>-statement is:
id=1
priority=1
ServerNetid=2
oldpriority=2

When the script has been called the values are:
id=1
priority=2
ServerNetid=2
priority=2 (and this should be 1)

Anyone with a good idea ??

Regards,
-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Thu May 10 11:20:56 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:20:56 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Security Problems?
References: <027001c0d891$7f9d59d0$5c773fc1@media1> <000f01c0d896$1c200b50$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <008801c0d93a$e7375e70$5c773fc1@media1>

Chris,

Thanks for the advice but something doesn't scope:

The '__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1' hack doesn't work =
in
this case for some reason.  That was one of the things I'd tried before
sending the post.

The other case does work in this instance but there is, to my mind,
something still not ringing true.

For example, using the ZPT stuff, if you put here/title as an output
variable (similar to <dtml-var title>), you get the same unauthorized
traceback as stated below.  This means that the object doesn't have acces=
s
to it's own properties, surely not!

I'm not saying that there is a security hole in Zope, quite the opposite.
Access is being denied to things that the current user should have access
to.  This has meant that I'm having to loosen security on some of my 'bit=
s'
to allow the user to see things correctly.  This only started happening w=
ith
2.3.x (and maybe some of the betas). Zope 2.2.x did not to seem to have t=
his
problem.

I've seen spurious mention of similar things over the last few months fro=
m
other Zope users as well, but then I do feel slightly paranoid at the
moment, maybe I'm just looking at the world through shitty colored glasse=
s
8=AC(.  I will try and dredge some of these things up, either to fuel the=
 fire
or put it out. ;)

If the above case doesn't cover it I'm going to have to find another test
case, even if it's just to prove to myself that there is nothing wrong. ;=
)

Thanks for the help.

Phil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Security Problems?


> Hi Phil,
>
> Defining classes in external methods is... an interesting experience.  =
I
> don't recommend it.  It gets tricky because the file that external meth=
ods
> are defined in isn't actually a Python module, so interpreting the
behavior
> is hard.
>
> That said, the security chapter of the developer's guide goes in to thi=
s a
> little (http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZDG/Security.dtml).  The prob=
lem
> is that the instances you're putting in the array don't have any securi=
ty
> declarations, therefore access to them is denied (raising the
unauthorized).
> The fix for this is to add security declarations to the class, e.g
> (untested):
>
> from AccessControl import ClassSecurityInfo
> from Globals import InitializeClass
>
> class c:
>     security =3D ClassSecurityInfo()
>     security.declareObjectPublic()
>     security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
>     def __init__(self,a):
>         self.score=3Da
>         self.test=3Da*a
>
> def t(self):
>     retval=3D[]
>     for a in range(1,10):
>         inst =3D c(a)
>         if not hasattr(
>         InitializeClass(c) # its dumb to do this every time.
>         retval.append(c(a))
>     return retval
>
>
> If this doesn't work for some reason (setDefaultAccess was broken in at
> least one Zope release), try to define the class c like so:
>
> class c:
>     __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ =3D 1
>     def __init__(self,a):
>         self.score=3Da
>         self.test=3Da*a
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil Harris
> To: zope@zope.org
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:08 AM
> Subject: [Zope] Security Problems?
>
>
> All,
>
> I've got a sneaking suspicion that there are some security problems in
Zope
> 2.3.x.
>
> I've been trying to make a simple testcase and would like other (better=
)
> minds than mine to look at it.
>
> I have an external method which looks like:
>
> class c:
>     def __init__(self,a):
>         self.score=3Da
>         self.test=3Da*a
>
> def t(self):
>     retval=3D[]
>     for a in range(1,10):
>         retval.append(c(a))
>     return retval
>
>
> The class 'c' is a very simple class, it has no methods and only two
> attributes/properties 'score' and 'test'.
>
> The external method 't' is also very simple, it just returns an array o=
f
> class 'c'.
>
> The dtml-method I'm using to access this array is as follows:
>
> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> <dtml-in t>
>   <dtml-var "_['sequence-item'].score">
> </dtml-in>
> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
>
> Nothing earth shattering there either.
>
> BUT, I get an unauthorized error raised with this traceback whenever I =
run
> this dtml-method:
>
> (note that a authentication login box is presented but NO user name is
able
> to authenticate)
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in
> publish_module
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 187, in publi=
sh
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 171, in publi=
sh
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in
> call_object
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line 189, in __call__
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_String.py, line 538, =
in
> __call__
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_In.py, line 717, in
> renderwob
>     (Object: t)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 334, in
eval
>     (Object: _['sequence-item'].score)
>     (Info: _)
>   File &lt;string&gt;, line 0, in ?
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 140, in
> careful_getattr
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line 261, in validate
>     (Object: index_html)
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\AccessControl\SecurityManager.py, line 14=
4,
in
> validate
>   File D:\ZOPE_T~1\lib\python\AccessControl\ZopeSecurityPolicy.py, line
168,
> in validate
> Unauthorized: score
>
>
> All of this is run on a bog standard install of Zope 2.3.2 with no othe=
r
> products installed, no security changes done, REALLY bog standard.
>
>
> Anyone got any ideas?
>
> Cos this is doin my f'in ed in man?!?!?!?!?!?
>
> Phil
> phil.harris@zope.co.uk
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rhess@bic.ch  Thu May 10 12:22:32 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:22:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] History of DC and/or Zope
References: <000001c0d910$b9723e30$abcc4e18@cr582427a>
Message-ID: <3AFA79F8.6354DCE7@bic.ch>

Hi Andy

Did you see the following document ?

http://www.zope.org/Members/paul/BusinessDecision

HTH

Flynt




Andy McKay wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for any documents about the history and beginning of Zope.
> (Searches on Zope.org have turned up nothing so far, still searching)
> 
> I'm giving an intro to Zope talk to developers and wanted to quickly cover
> the history of Zope / DC etc. If there any suitable talks on this topic,
> pointers to those would be appreciated too :)
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> --
>   Andy McKay
>


From tillea@rki.de  Thu May 10 12:36:13 2001
From: tillea@rki.de (Andreas Tille)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:36:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Packaging (final) Zope book for Debian
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101333340.10430-100000@wr-linux02>

Hello,

formerly I was able to check out Zope book beta from CVS via

 cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.zope-book.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/zope-book login
 cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.zope-book.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/zope-book co zope-book
 
It seems that the modulname has changed in CVS from zope-book to Book.

I managed to build a Debian package from the state of April 10th and didn't
checked out CVS repository since then.  Now I wanted to build the package
from the final source.  Is there any final source release?
Which source is the best one for a Debian package?

Kind regards

       Andreas.




From mike.blake@cellnetwork.com  Thu May 10 12:56:17 2001
From: mike.blake@cellnetwork.com (Mike Blake)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:56:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZopeTime() in python script ...
Message-ID: <3AFA81E1.19C7182A@cellnetwork.com>

Hi!

I have a messy dtml block that returns a yyyymmdd date
string using zope time:

# <dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).year()"
# ><dtml-if 
#     expr="(ZopeTime()).month()<10"
#     >0<dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).month()"
# ><dtml-else
#     ><dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).month()"
# ></dtml-if
# ><dtml-if 
#     expr="(ZopeTime()).day()<10"
#     >0<dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).day()"
# ><dtml-else
#     ><dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).day()"
# ></dtml-if> 

This works, BUT I would like to forget the dtml 
and just write it in python. Something like this?:

# str=""
# str = str + ZopeTime().year()
# if ZopeTime().month()<10:
#     str = str + "0"
# str = str + ZopeTime().month()
# if ZopeTime().month()<10:
#     str = str + "0"
# str = str + ZopeTime().day()
# return str

But this gives an error:
  Error Type: NameError
  Error Value: ZopeTime

I have this as a python script object and although
it would return a string ok, I get an error when
trying to access ZopeTime(). 

I am currently losing my mind trying different 
arguments and import statements, but getting nowhere
fast. How do I access the variables and methods 
(those that would normally be available to a dtml
method) in a python script?

thanks,
mike

--
[morcilla@ketden.com chikoon]$ whoami
Mike Blake


From steve@spvi.com  Thu May 10 13:02:44 2001
From: steve@spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:02:44 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog 2.3.0 -> 2.3.2 issues...
In-Reply-To: <008801c0d93a$e7375e70$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <200105101203.f4AC38I05715@obsidian.spvi.com>

Hi Folks,

	I'm experiencing trouble with ZCatalog in 2.3.2. I read all about 
upgrading from my working 2.3.0 catalog and thinking that maybe I futzed 
it, I just created a new catalog. I couldn't find any reports of sort_on 
problems except for some references to a 'FieldIndex' bug, that has 
already been squashed. Here's my situation, I have a bunch of cataloged 
objects and I want to sort on one of the fields. In 2.3.0 I would just 
set 'sort_on' in the REQUEST to be one of the 'FieldIndexed' attributes 
and it worked. When I upgraded to 2.3.2 (yesterday) it stopped working. 
I've managed to trace it down to the _indexedSearch call in the __call__ 
of Catalog. sort_index looks OK, but _indexedSearch goes through the 
index items and creates LazyMap objects, but they seem broken somehow:

656                     raise CatalogError, ('Unknown sort_on index 
%s' % sort_index)
657
658             # Perform searches with indexes and sort_index
659             r=[]
660             used=self._indexedSearch(kw, sort_index, r.append, used)
661  ->         if not r:
662                 return LazyCat(r)
663
664             # Sort/merge sub-results
665             if len(r)==1:
666                 if sort_index is None: r=r[0]
(Pdb) print r
[('aerosmith', [<mybrains instance at 8bb6340>]), ('albert finney', 
[<mybrains instance at 8bb6350>]), ('alfred hitchcock', [<mybrains 
instance at 8bb6360>]), ('beatles',  *** TypeError: unsubscriptable 
object

When _indexedSearch returns, the 'r' list is sunk, though what's there 
is sorted. ;-)

I'm invoking the Catalog like so:

<dtml-in "Catalog({}, sort_on='kArtist')">
<dtml-var Artist><br>
</dtml-in>

I don't have time right now to dig into why LazyMap is raising a 
TypeError, but I might later today. When I take out the sort_on, all the 
records are returned. Any ideas would be appreciated!

thanks,
-steve


From magnus.heino@rivermen.se  Thu May 10 13:04:49 2001
From: magnus.heino@rivermen.se (Magnus Heino (Rivermen))
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:04:49 +0200
Subject: SV: [Zope] ZopeTime() in python script ...
Message-ID: <F1301BD33F9846468C35875DD3056A0F0348F2@tjernobyl.rivernet.rivermen.se>


> I have a messy dtml block that returns a yyyymmdd date
> string using zope time:

Why?

<dtml-var ZopeTime fmt="%Y%m%d">

http://www.zope.org/Members/AlexR/CustomDateFormats


/Magnus


From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 10 16:23:00 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:23:00 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Security Problems?
References: <027001c0d891$7f9d59d0$5c773fc1@media1> <000f01c0d896$1c200b50$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <008801c0d93a$e7375e70$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <3AFAB254.3633F05@digicool.com>

> For example, using the ZPT stuff, if you put here/title as an output
> variable (similar to <dtml-var title>), you get the same unauthorized
> traceback as stated below.  This means that the object doesn't have access
> to it's own properties, surely not!

This *might* be a bug in ZPT... If I were you, I might try asking a
question about this on the ZPT list... or maybe someone who knows lots
about ZPT will stumble upon it here.

> I'm not saying that there is a security hole in Zope, quite the opposite.
> Access is being denied to things that the current user should have access
> to.  This has meant that I'm having to loosen security on some of my 'bits'
> to allow the user to see things correctly.  This only started happening with
> 2.3.x (and maybe some of the betas). Zope 2.2.x did not to seem to have this
> problem.

If there's places in Zope where it's broken, we'd like to know...
thanks!

- C


From andres@corrada.com  Thu May 10 13:36:40 2001
From: andres@corrada.com (andres@corrada.com)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:36:40 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZopeTime() in python script ...
In-Reply-To: <3AFA81E1.19C7182A@cellnetwork.com>; from Mike Blake on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:56:17PM +0200
References: <3AFA81E1.19C7182A@cellnetwork.com>
Message-ID: <20010510083640.A29651@corrada.com>

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:56:17PM +0200, Mike Blake wrote:
> This works, BUT I would like to forget the dtml 
> and just write it in python. Something like this?:
> 
> # str=""
> # str = str + ZopeTime().year()
> # if ZopeTime().month()<10:
> #     str = str + "0"
> # str = str + ZopeTime().month()
> # if ZopeTime().month()<10:
> #     str = str + "0"
> # str = str + ZopeTime().day()
> # return str
> 
> But this gives an error:
>   Error Type: NameError
>   Error Value: ZopeTime
> 
> I have this as a python script object and although
> it would return a string ok, I get an error when
> trying to access ZopeTime(). 
> 
> I am currently losing my mind trying different 
> arguments and import statements, but getting nowhere
> fast. How do I access the variables and methods 
> (those that would normally be available to a dtml
> method) in a python script?
> 
> thanks,
> mike
> 
> --
> [morcilla@ketden.com chikoon]$ whoami
> Mike Blake
> 

You can access objects available under dtml by using "context" or
"container". So something like:

context.ZopeTime()

should work.

------------------------------------------------------
Andres Corrada-Emmanuel   Email: andres@corrada.com
Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
------------------------------------------------------


From mail@peterbe.com  Thu May 10 13:40:55 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:40:55 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZopeTime() in python script ...
References: <3AFA81E1.19C7182A@cellnetwork.com>
Message-ID: <012901c0d94f$d22a86a0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

DTML 
<dtml-var ZopeTime> == <dtml-var "ZopeTime()">
Python Script

timeobject = context.ZopeTime()
day = timeobject.strftime('%A')

Hope this helps!

peter

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Blake" <mike.blake@cellnetwork.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:56 PM
Subject: [Zope] ZopeTime() in python script ...


> Hi!
> 
> I have a messy dtml block that returns a yyyymmdd date
> string using zope time:
> 
> # <dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).year()"
> # ><dtml-if 
> #     expr="(ZopeTime()).month()<10"
> #     >0<dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).month()"
> # ><dtml-else
> #     ><dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).month()"
> # ></dtml-if
> # ><dtml-if 
> #     expr="(ZopeTime()).day()<10"
> #     >0<dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).day()"
> # ><dtml-else
> #     ><dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).day()"
> # ></dtml-if> 
> 
> This works, BUT I would like to forget the dtml 
> and just write it in python. Something like this?:
> 
> # str=""
> # str = str + ZopeTime().year()
> # if ZopeTime().month()<10:
> #     str = str + "0"
> # str = str + ZopeTime().month()
> # if ZopeTime().month()<10:
> #     str = str + "0"
> # str = str + ZopeTime().day()
> # return str
> 
> But this gives an error:
>   Error Type: NameError
>   Error Value: ZopeTime
> 
> I have this as a python script object and although
> it would return a string ok, I get an error when
> trying to access ZopeTime(). 
> 
> I am currently losing my mind trying different 
> arguments and import statements, but getting nowhere
> fast. How do I access the variables and methods 
> (those that would normally be available to a dtml
> method) in a python script?
> 
> thanks,
> mike
> 
> --
> [morcilla@ketden.com chikoon]$ whoami
> Mike Blake
> 
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From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 10 13:53:42 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:53:42 -0400
Subject: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing 'view', not contents
References: <A0CB750E1402D511A47600A0C9E110D103960F@IWA-MERCURY> <3AF9E53B.945CA0F2@digicool.com> <3AFA55E9.1002685D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <004201c0d950$3ed06630$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Do you know what version it is via "About" so we can pin down the problem to
specific versions?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
Cc: "Meilicke, Scott" <scott.meilicke@intp.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing
'view', not contents


> Chris McDonough wrote:
> >
> > Hi Scott... this is a known bug in some versions of IE 5.5.  Upgrade
> > your browser to the latest IE and it will go away.
>
> Someone here is still having this problem with the latest-and-greatest IE
Sp2
> :-(
>
> Chris
>
> (the web is dead, long live the OODB and a dedicated fat client ;-)
>



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 10 13:58:38 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:58:38 +0100
Subject: [Zope] ZopeTime() in python script ...
References: <3AFA81E1.19C7182A@cellnetwork.com>
Message-ID: <3AFA907E.3F2902AC@nipltd.com>

Mike Blake wrote:
> 
> I have a messy dtml block that returns a yyyymmdd date
> string using zope time:
> 
> # <dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).year()"
> # ><dtml-if
> #     expr="(ZopeTime()).month()<10"
> #     >0<dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).month()"
> # ><dtml-else
> #     ><dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).month()"
> # ></dtml-if
> # ><dtml-if
> #     expr="(ZopeTime()).day()<10"
> #     >0<dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).day()"
> # ><dtml-else
> #     ><dtml-var "(ZopeTime()).day()"
> # ></dtml-if>

Yurg! :-S

What's wrong with:
<dtml-var ZopeTime fmt="%Y%m%d">

?!?

Chris


From etiennel@geospace.co.za  Thu May 10 13:59:07 2001
From: etiennel@geospace.co.za (Etienne Labuschagne)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:59:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Batch-adding images with extra attribs
Message-ID: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC795@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>

Hi there

I have a lot of images that I must upload into Zope.  I can probably use
FTP, but I have another problem.  I add a copyright attribute to each image.

It would be great if I can tell Zope, upload all images in directory c:\foo
and give them a copyright attribute of bar.  I have access to the server on
which Zope is running, so it will probably be the easiest to write an
external Python method to do the uploading from the server's file system.
My question is, how do I upload an image directly from disk into Zope?

Thanks in advance.
Etienne


From Thilo.Ernst@dlr.de  Thu May 10 14:48:12 2001
From: Thilo.Ernst@dlr.de (Thilo Ernst)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:48:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ANN: zupdate.py - synchronize multiple distributed Zopes
Message-ID: <3AFA9C1C.EEADEE6@dlr.de>

Hello,  fellow Zope users:

as the  number of Zope installations I'm working with showed some growth recently  (besides a production, a development and a
test server I set up an experimental installation from time to time as well) -  I got tired of
manually distributing stuff from the development site to the other ones using Export, then ftp or scp, then Import.

A search on zope.org didn't reveal much prior art, just that a 'Synchronizable Objects' and a 'Synchronization tab'
seem to be planned for future Zope releases. (If someone knows a suitable existing tool nevertheless, please
send me a  note.)  Thus, I decided to write something on my own. Here is the the result:

                      http://www.zope.org/Members/te0006/zupdate.py

zupdate.py is a stand-alone Python (1.52 or higher) script fot updating selected objects on one or more remote
Zope instances from a local 'master' (e.g. development) site.  It works by:
- making the local ('master') Zope instance export the selected objects to a set of .zexp files
- transferring the .zexp files to the remote server(s) via scp (the secure variant of rcp that comes with ssh)
- re-importing the objects to their appropriate locations in the remote Zopes' object  hierarchy
All Zope servers can remain 'live' all the time as the Import/Export actions are invoked via HTTP.
The .zexp files are automatically grouped so scp will be invoked (and will ask for authentication) only once
per remote server. Their collection and transfer is also done using synthetic filenames to avoid name clashes.

zupdate.py expects as a command line argument a task description file containing a set of Python
statements which describe the local and all remote Zope instances  (URL, username/password
for administrator, Zope root  directory in filesystem), and which objects to transfer.
Invoking zupdate.py without  parameters provides detailed information about the structure of the
task description.  A sample task description file is appended to this mail.

zupdate.py was tested on a Linux 2.2 i386 system  (RH 7.1) but should be able to run with minor changes
on any system where Python 1.5.2 (or higher) and scp are available; of course, the remote servers
must have ssh/scp as well.

IMPORTANT NOTE: This script is hardly more than a quick hack. Even though it did work for me, it will
likely have bugs. Every conceivable standard disclaimer applies. You cannot hold me liable for anything.
Use at your own risk.  License: Python-style.


Best regards,

Thilo Ernst


# SAMPLE TASK DESCRIPTION FILE

# no real hostnames & administrator credentials, sorry


# local Zope installation
LZOPE=(
    'localhost:8080', ('adm', 'adm42'),
    '/ZOPE/Zope-2.3.1b2-linux2-x86'
    )

# remote Zope installation, or list thereof
RZOPE= [
      # test site
    ( 'test1.zopecentral.org:8080',  ('Administrator1', 'Secret'),
      'testuser@test1.zopecentral.org:/ZOPE/Zope-2.3.1b2-linux2-x86'),
      # production site
    ( 'www.zopecentral.org:80',      ('Almighty', 'TopSecret'),
      'zopeuser@www.zopecentral.org:/ZOPE/Zope-2.3.1b2-linux2-x86')
    ]

# objects to be updated, optionally with deviating target folders
OBJS= [
        ('/myfolder/obj1', '/yourfolder'), # different folder in target Zope instance
        '/ourfolder/obj2'                           # same folder
    ]



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May 10 15:18:54 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:18:54 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Batch-adding images with extra attribs
References: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC795@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>
Message-ID: <3AFAA34E.7D12C8AF@kaivo.com>

Etienne Labuschagne wrote:
> 
> Hi there
> 
> I have a lot of images that I must upload into Zope.  I can probably use
> FTP, but I have another problem.  I add a copyright attribute to each image.
> 
> It would be great if I can tell Zope, upload all images in directory c:\foo
> and give them a copyright attribute of bar.  I have access to the server on
> which Zope is running, so it will probably be the easiest to write an
> external Python method to do the uploading from the server's file system.

Yes. You might also be able to use XML-RPC.

> My question is, how do I upload an image directly from disk into Zope?

If you mean the client's disk, then XML-RPC. Otherwise, an external
method.

> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Etienne
> 

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From tpassin@mitretek.org  Thu May 10 15:19:24 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:19:24 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Some mathematical problems ...
References: <01050913210502.02657@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <009201c0d95c$36966b20$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Gitte Wange]


So I guess it is because the oldpriority=_.int(REQUEST.oldpriority)-1)
doesn't work.
The values (before the <dtml-call>-statement is:
id=1
priority=1
ServerNetid=2
oldpriority=2

When the script has been called the values are:
id=1
priority=2
ServerNetid=2
priority=2 (and this should be 1)

[Tom]

Two things:

1) Your second example says "priority=2" but I think it meant
"oldpriority=2" (or 1).  Is that a verbatim cut-and-paste, or is it just a
typing error?

2) You give the values "when the script has been called" but you don't say
if those are the actual values that are returned by the form itself.  In
other words, if you think you are getting the wrong data from the form, you
need to make sure the form contains and returns the right values.  If it
doesn't, you need to get the form built correctly first.  If it does, you
need to make sure you are extracting the vaues from the form correctly.

When this part is working correctly - and not before - then you can go on to
look at the database method and see if it is actually constructed correctly

Tom P



From jan@itmeedia.ee  Thu May 10 14:26:31 2001
From: jan@itmeedia.ee (Jan)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:26:31 +0300
Subject: [Zope] Product event when zope restarts
Message-ID: <012e01c0d954$d6a08c20$150aa8c0@amphora.ee>

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Hello all!

I have been developing a Zope Product that basically reads in a file and =
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system, that is not updated in zope. I do not want it to read the file =
every time it is accessed in zope. Refreshing it every time the zope =
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So I was wondering if there is a function that will be executed when =
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Thanx.

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From tpassin@mitretek.org  Thu May 10 15:23:31 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:23:31 -0400
Subject: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing 'view', not contents
References: <A0CB750E1402D511A47600A0C9E110D103960F@IWA-MERCURY> <3AF9E53B.945CA0F2@digicool.com> <3AFA55E9.1002685D@nipltd.com> <004201c0d950$3ed06630$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <009701c0d95c$ca45bb00$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Chris McDonough]
> Do you know what version it is via "About" so we can pin down the problem
to
> specific versions?

I had the same problem with IE5.5 (it might have been 5.01, my memory is a
little hazy) until I upgraded.  My current working version is:

"version 5.50.4522.1800
Update versions: SP1;Q279328"

Cheers,

Tom P



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 10 15:28:33 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:28:33 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Product event when zope restarts
References: <012e01c0d954$d6a08c20$150aa8c0@amphora.ee>
Message-ID: <3AFAA591.7430E661@nipltd.com>

Have you looked at the ExtFile object?

cheers,

Chris

> Jan wrote:
> 
> Hello all!
> 
> I have been developing a Zope Product that basically reads in a file and shows
> it in zope. The problem is that when the file is updated in file system, that
> is not updated in zope. I do not want it to read the file every time it is
> accessed in zope. Refreshing it every time the zope restarts seems to be the
> solution.
> 
> So I was wondering if there is a function that will be executed when zope
> restarts.
> 
> Thanx.


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Thu May 10 15:28:54 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:28:54 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Some mathematical problems ...
In-Reply-To: <009201c0d95c$36966b20$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
References: <01050913210502.02657@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <009201c0d95c$36966b20$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
Message-ID: <01051016285401.02506@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Thursday 10 May 2001 16:19, Thomas B. Passin wrote:
> [Gitte Wange]
>
>
> So I guess it is because the oldpriority=_.int(REQUEST.oldpriority)-1)
> doesn't work.
> The values (before the <dtml-call>-statement is:
> id=1
> priority=1
> ServerNetid=2
> oldpriority=2
>
> When the script has been called the values are:
> id=1
> priority=2
> ServerNetid=2
> priority=2 (and this should be 1)
>
> [Tom]
>
> Two things:
>
> 1) Your second example says "priority=2" but I think it meant
> "oldpriority=2" (or 1).  Is that a verbatim cut-and-paste, or is it just a
> typing error?

It was a type error. It should say oldpriority.

> 2) You give the values "when the script has been called" but you don't say
> if those are the actual values that are returned by the form itself.  In
> other words, if you think you are getting the wrong data from the form, you
> need to make sure the form contains and returns the right values.  If it
> doesn't, you need to get the form built correctly first.  If it does, you
> need to make sure you are extracting the vaues from the form correctly.

It isn't a form it's extracted from. I have a link (an <A HREF> that calls 
the script. So I can see that the values there are correct.

> When this part is working correctly - and not before - then you can go on
> to look at the database method and see if it is actually constructed
> correctly
>
> Tom P

Well I knew that it was correct.

I have changed some column names in the database and when I changed the 
variable names according to the column names, it worked. I don't know what 
the problem was - but it is solved now.

Regards,
-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From jan@itmeedia.ee  Thu May 10 14:40:10 2001
From: jan@itmeedia.ee (Jan)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:40:10 +0300
Subject: [Zope] Product event when zope restarts
References: <012e01c0d954$d6a08c20$150aa8c0@amphora.ee> <3AFAA591.7430E661@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <015601c0d956$bf68b8a0$150aa8c0@amphora.ee>

> Have you looked at the ExtFile object?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
Yes. As I wrote, the product BASICALLY does this. Actually it reads the
file, parses it and shows it's contents in the properties tab. When I write
something like <dtml-var "myProduct.property1"> then I can access a part of
the file.

>
> > Jan wrote:
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> > I have been developing a Zope Product that basically reads in a file and
shows
> > it in zope. The problem is that when the file is updated in file system,
that
> > is not updated in zope. I do not want it to read the file every time it
is
> > accessed in zope. Refreshing it every time the zope restarts seems to be
the
> > solution.
> >
> > So I was wondering if there is a function that will be executed when
zope
> > restarts.
> >
> > Thanx.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May 10 15:40:12 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:40:12 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Product event when zope restarts
References: <012e01c0d954$d6a08c20$150aa8c0@amphora.ee>
Message-ID: <3AFAA84C.4230C7AD@kaivo.com>

> Jan wrote:
> 
> Hello all!
> 
> I have been developing a Zope Product that basically reads in a file
> and shows it in zope. The problem is that when the file is updated in
> file system, that is not updated in zope. I do not want it to read the
> file every time it is accessed in zope. Refreshing it every time the
> zope restarts seems to be the solution.
> 
> So I was wondering if there is a function that will be executed when
> zope restarts.
> 
> Thanx.

What is the problem with repeatedly reading the file? The OS will cache
it if it is accessed frequently anyway. 

If you must here is what I would do:

Use two volatile variables to store the mod date and the data like:

_v_mod
_v_data

Then stat the file when it is accessed and see if its date differs from
_v_mod (if it has already been accessed). If not, return _v_data.
Otherwise read the file, return the data and store it into _v_data and
the mod date in _v_mod.

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au>  Thu May 10 15:48:35 2001
From: Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au> (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:48:35 +1000
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: Message from Simon Michael <simon@joyful.com>
 of "09 May 2001 14:34:59 MST." <871ypy9pfg.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <200105101448.AAA06252@mbuna.arbhome.com.au>

>>> Simon Michael wrote
> It looks as if you want to squelch this thread, but it would have been
> nice to discuss this a little longer. We might have found out more
> about what the current consensus is (we had 2 for & 2 against); why
> people find it useful; who's decision it is one way or another; etc.

There are many, many, many threads like this that come up from time
to time on most internet mailing lists. No matter what you decide, 
some people will be unhappy. Unless there's an overwhelming majority 
in favour of change, leaving things as they are is usually the better 
bet. 

Aside from all that - if it really bugs you to see the list name in 
the subject line, tweak your mailer to hide them. (MH scan.format file
left as an exercise for the reader :)

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.



From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 10 15:51:15 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:51:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Product event when zope restarts
In-Reply-To: <015601c0d956$bf68b8a0$150aa8c0@amphora.ee>
References: <015601c0d956$bf68b8a0$150aa8c0@amphora.ee>
Message-ID: <11584790.989513475@BUZZER>

Hi Jan,

what about using stat() on the file to check if it has changed and
reread in that event? Make sure you reread only for the current
access.

Regards
Tino

--On Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2001 16:40 +0300 Jan <jan@itmeedia.ee> wrote:

>> Have you looked at the ExtFile object?
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Chris
> Yes. As I wrote, the product BASICALLY does this. Actually it reads the
> file, parses it and shows it's contents in the properties tab. When I
> write something like <dtml-var "myProduct.property1"> then I can access a
> part of the file.
>
>>
>> > Jan wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello all!
>> >
>> > I have been developing a Zope Product that basically reads in a file
>> > and
> shows
>> > it in zope. The problem is that when the file is updated in file
>> > system,
> that
>> > is not updated in zope. I do not want it to read the file every time it
> is
>> > accessed in zope. Refreshing it every time the zope restarts seems to
>> > be
> the
>> > solution.
>> >
>> > So I was wondering if there is a function that will be executed when
> zope
>> > restarts.
>> >
>> > Thanx.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>> (Related lists -
>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )






From Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>  Thu May 10 15:47:38 2001
From: Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net> (Oliver Bleutgen)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:47:38 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Product event when zope restarts
Message-ID: <E14xrtT-0003Ms-00@mail.python.org>

>> Have you looked at the ExtFile object?
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Chris
> Yes. As I wrote, the product BASICALLY does this. Actually it reads the
> file, parses it and shows it's contents in the properties tab. When I
> write
> something like <dtml-var "myProduct.property1"> then I can access a part
> of
> the file.

Can't you use os.path.getmtime('path_to_file')
to get the modification time of the file and reparse and reinsert
it only if getmtime >= old_getmtime?

cheers,
oliver


From zope@thewebsons.com  Thu May 10 15:39:01 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:39:01 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Two Questions: One Easy, One Not
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510073123.00a08710@thewebsons.com>

Hi;

The easy question: I have all sorts of images on my server that I want to 
copy into the appropriate folder in my Zope installation so that they can 
appear on the site that I am building with Zope. Trouble is, I can't find 
the folder, even when I walk the directory tree. Where does Zope put the 
folders I create and what does it call them? Is it possible to do what I 
want to do?

The not-so-easy question: For some reason my Zope server dies regularly. I 
have root access on my RH6.2 box. When I run a process table, it appears 
that Zope is spawning several processes. In reality, if I try to kill the 
processes, I find that they're not active (nothing to kill). However, when 
Zope dies, all the *processes* die with it. I'm no programming guru, so any 
suggestions would be appreciated!

TIA,
BenO



From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Thu May 10 16:14:03 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:14:03 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: web logging
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CB4@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

ZServer produces a logfile at ZOPE_HOME/var/Z2.log

Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: Arian de Wit [mailto:adewit@niwa.cri.nz]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:47 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: web logging


Hi All,

Perhaps this is a silly question, but here it is anyway, since I 
couldn't readily find anything about it in the documentation.

Is it possible to get ZServer to produce a web traffic log which we 
could then analyse in a similar fashion to standard http logs like 
those of Apache or IIS?


Many thanks,

Arian

 
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 10 16:13:20 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:13:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Two Questions: One Easy, One Not
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510073123.00a08710@thewebsons.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510073123.00a08710@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <12910724.989514800@BUZZER>

Hi Ben,

unlike other web-servers, zope does not use a file-system
for "folders" and documents.
It has a database system in which the objects are stored.
This is much like your try to access your RDBMS and hope
you can select some files on your database server via SQL ;)

IF you want to use your images from zope, you have to import
them into its database. You can do it via web-interface
or via FTP or (Web-)DAV (the latter works somewhat with
Internetexplorer Webfolder feature)

2) Zope spawns serveral processes, thats normal. You find
their process-ids (at least the ones of the parents) in
var/Z2.pid

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2001 07:39 -0700 Ben Ocean <zope@thewebsons.com> 
wrote:

> Hi;
>
> The easy question: I have all sorts of images on my server that I want to
> copy into the appropriate folder in my Zope installation so that they can
> appear on the site that I am building with Zope. Trouble is, I can't find
> the folder, even when I walk the directory tree. Where does Zope put the
> folders I create and what does it call them? Is it possible to do what I
> want to do?
>
> The not-so-easy question: For some reason my Zope server dies regularly.
> I  have root access on my RH6.2 box. When I run a process table, it
> appears  that Zope is spawning several processes. In reality, if I try to
> kill the  processes, I find that they're not active (nothing to kill).
> However, when  Zope dies, all the *processes* die with it. I'm no
> programming guru, so any  suggestions would be appreciated!
>
> TIA,
> BenO
>
>
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From zope@thewebsons.com  Thu May 10 16:01:00 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:01:00 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Two Questions: One Easy, One Not
In-Reply-To: <12910724.989514800@BUZZER>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510073123.00a08710@thewebsons.com>
 <5.0.2.1.0.20010510073123.00a08710@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510075851.00a0fec0@thewebsons.com>

At 05:13 PM 5/10/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>IF you want to use your images from zope, you have to import
>them into its database. You can do it via web-interface
>or via FTP or (Web-)DAV (the latter works somewhat with
>Internetexplorer Webfolder feature)

So, clearly, I need to put my Zope installation on the doc root. For some 
reason (I presume security), I had put it below the doc root. Is security a 
concern?

>2) Zope spawns serveral processes, thats normal. You find
>their process-ids (at least the ones of the parents) in
>var/Z2.pid

Yeah, I noticed that. But why does the server quit serving and need to be 
restarted? How do I track this problem?
Thanks,
BenO



From jan@itmeedia.ee  Thu May 10 15:44:58 2001
From: jan@itmeedia.ee (Jan)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:44:58 +0300
Subject: [Zope] Product event when zope restarts
References: <015601c0d956$bf68b8a0$150aa8c0@amphora.ee> <11584790.989513475@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <018a01c0d95f$cc9c74e0$150aa8c0@amphora.ee>

That is a very good idea, only there seems to be no function where I could
do so..
The properties of my product are accessed directly like <dtml-var
"myProduct.property1"> so no function is executed. The getProperty is only
executed when watching the property list. :(

> what about using stat() on the file to check if it has changed and
> reread in that event? Make sure you reread only for the current
> access.
> > Yes. As I wrote, the product BASICALLY does this. Actually it reads the
> > file, parses it and shows it's contents in the properties tab. When I
> > write something like <dtml-var "myProduct.property1"> then I can access
a
> > part of the file.




From list.zope@joppa.cix.co.uk  Thu May 10 16:48:00 2001
From: list.zope@joppa.cix.co.uk (Derek Hoy)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:48 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope] Two Questions: One Easy, One Not
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510075851.00a0fec0@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <memo.20010510164848.264K@joppa.compulink.co.uk>

BenO wrote:
> >IF you want to use your images from zope, you have to import
> >them into its database. You can do it via web-interface
> >or via FTP or (Web-)DAV (the latter works somewhat with
> >Internetexplorer Webfolder feature)
> 
> So, clearly, I need to put my Zope installation on the doc root. For some 
> reason (I presume security), I had put it below the doc root. Is security a 
> concern?

No, you can ftp to zope itself- just ftp to the right port number, eg 8021.  
It's in the logging information you get when Zope starts.

> >2) Zope spawns serveral processes, thats normal. You find
> >their process-ids (at least the ones of the parents) in
> >var/Z2.pid
> 
> Yeah, I noticed that. But why does the server quit serving and need to be 
> restarted? How do I track this problem?

There was a bug with a recent version- I had the same problem, but the latest 
version seems to have it fixed.

Derek
d.hoy at gcal.ac.uk


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Thu May 10 17:02:59 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:02:59 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Two Questions: One Easy, One Not
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2FA@desi2>

Your zope installation can be put where you decide you want to put it.  You
can even just decide, if you feel so inclined to just run it as a normal
user in your personal UNIX home directory.  As long as file permissions are
set up in a manner so that the user you have Zope running under has
permissions to read and execute stuff in Zope's lib/ directory, and that
there are permissions to write to files in Zope's var/ dir.

Keep in mind that everything you put into Zope, for the most part, resides
in the object database, which is a single file called data.fs, always open
for reading and writing while Zope is started.  Your Zope installtion has
nothing to do with your Apache document root, and can be put anywhere on the
file system (and inside the doc root is obviously not a good idea).  You can
then access Zope either directly with its builtin web server (ZServer), or
use Apache via PCGI or mod_proxy (proxying to Zope's builtin web server) as
a front end to Zope.

Zope's ZServer has a built-in FTP server, and supports Web-DAV and XML-RPC
through its web server.  What you actually ftp to is not your UNIX
filesystem, but the hierarchy of the Zope object database presented as a
filesystem.
 
As for getting images into a database, consider looking into a python script
called "loadSite.py" - it loads a site hierarchy from a file system and puts
it into the ODB: http://www.zope.org/Members/itamar/load_site

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Ocean [mailto:zope@thewebsons.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 8:01 AM
To: Tino Wildenhain
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Two Questions: One Easy, One Not


At 05:13 PM 5/10/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>IF you want to use your images from zope, you have to import
>them into its database. You can do it via web-interface
>or via FTP or (Web-)DAV (the latter works somewhat with
>Internetexplorer Webfolder feature)

So, clearly, I need to put my Zope installation on the doc root. For some 
reason (I presume security), I had put it below the doc root. Is security a 
concern?

>2) Zope spawns serveral processes, thats normal. You find
>their process-ids (at least the ones of the parents) in
>var/Z2.pid

Yeah, I noticed that. But why does the server quit serving and need to be 
restarted? How do I track this problem?
Thanks,
BenO


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From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 10 17:08:41 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:08:41 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Product event when zope restarts
References: <012e01c0d954$d6a08c20$150aa8c0@amphora.ee>
Message-ID: <01da01c0d96b$7b5c2ba0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Hook sys.exitfunc to have something happen every time Zope is shut down.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jan
To: zope@zope.org
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:26 AM
Subject: [Zope] Product event when zope restarts


Hello all!

I have been developing a Zope Product that basically reads in a file and
shows it in zope. The problem is that when the file is updated in file
system, that is not updated in zope. I do not want it to read the file every
time it is accessed in zope. Refreshing it every time the zope restarts
seems to be the solution.

So I was wondering if there is a function that will be executed when zope
restarts.

Thanx.



From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May 10 16:50:40 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:50:40 -0700
Subject: [Zope] History of DC and/or Zope
References: <000001c0d910$b9723e30$abcc4e18@cr582427a> <3AFA79F8.6354DCE7@bic.ch>
Message-ID: <003101c0d96b$a71a2350$abcc4e18@cr582427a>

Thanks, I had read that one but couldnt find it again. Now I have it
bookmarked :)

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flynt" <rhess@bic.ch>
To: "Andy McKay" <andym@ActiveState.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] History of DC and/or Zope


> Hi Andy
>
> Did you see the following document ?
>
> http://www.zope.org/Members/paul/BusinessDecision
>
> HTH
>
> Flynt
>
>
>
>
> Andy McKay wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking for any documents about the history and beginning of Zope.
> > (Searches on Zope.org have turned up nothing so far, still searching)
> >
> > I'm giving an intro to Zope talk to developers and wanted to quickly
cover
> > the history of Zope / DC etc. If there any suitable talks on this topic,
> > pointers to those would be appreciated too :)
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > --
> >   Andy McKay
> >
>
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From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May 10 17:18:58 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:18:58 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Two Questions: One Easy, One Not
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2FA@desi2>
Message-ID: <004701c0d96c$eae00860$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

I would also recommend looking at LocalFS which call files straight from the
filesystem. It doesnt allow all the power and flexibility of loading it into
Zope, but for large amounts of images etc works fine. This might confuse
things a little though.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.




From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May 10 17:21:09 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:21:09 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Product event when zope restarts
References: <012e01c0d954$d6a08c20$150aa8c0@amphora.ee>
Message-ID: <006601c0d96d$38da7f00$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

If you really need to do that doesnt __init__ get called at every restart?
You could in theory (I dont know how though do something there). Reading
from a file is not a big hit, I would go with Casey's suggestion and cache
when it was last changed.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.




From scott.meilicke@intp.com  Thu May 10 17:17:39 2001
From: scott.meilicke@intp.com (Meilicke, Scott)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:17:39 -0700
Subject: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing 'vi
 ew', not contents
Message-ID: <A0CB750E1402D511A47600A0C9E110D1125FE9@IWA-MERCURY>

I don't - I have a laptop on win2k, and usually just 'Hibernate' - suspend
to disk, instead of shutting down and restarting in the morning.  I
performed an update via windowsupdate.microsoft.com a few days ago and did
not reboot when prompted because I was in the middle of something.  I
rebooted this morning, and it works fine now.  For what it's worth, I'm
currently running IE 5.5, sp1, version 5.50.4522.1800.  

Oddly enough I had the same problem last night with Netscape - once.
Unfortunately I don't remember exactly what I did to correct it, but my site
prompted me to log in again via a windows logon window, not the usual web
logon.  Sorry I didn't write down exactly what I did...

Thanks for the help.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:54 AM
To: Chris Withers
Cc: Meilicke, Scott; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing
'view', not contents


Do you know what version it is via "About" so we can pin down the problem to
specific versions?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
Cc: "Meilicke, Scott" <scott.meilicke@intp.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing
'view', not contents


> Chris McDonough wrote:
> >
> > Hi Scott... this is a known bug in some versions of IE 5.5.  Upgrade
> > your browser to the latest IE and it will go away.
>
> Someone here is still having this problem with the latest-and-greatest IE
Sp2
> :-(
>
> Chris
>
> (the web is dead, long live the OODB and a dedicated fat client ;-)
>


From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 10 17:34:05 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:34:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Product event when zope restarts
In-Reply-To: <018a01c0d95f$cc9c74e0$150aa8c0@amphora.ee>
References: <018a01c0d95f$cc9c74e0$150aa8c0@amphora.ee>
Message-ID: <1090646.989519645@BUZZER>

Hi Jan,

With python, you can override subobjects access.
For example, you can give your class a
__getattr__() method to call a function every
time an attribute is accessed.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain
PS: the other approach would be to send the file each
time it is generated into zope from the application
which generates the file

--On Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2001 17:44 +0300 Jan <jan@itmeedia.ee> wrote:

> That is a very good idea, only there seems to be no function where I could
> do so..
> The properties of my product are accessed directly like <dtml-var
> "myProduct.property1"> so no function is executed. The getProperty is only
> executed when watching the property list. :(
>
>> what about using stat() on the file to check if it has changed and
>> reread in that event? Make sure you reread only for the current
>> access.
>> > Yes. As I wrote, the product BASICALLY does this. Actually it reads the
>> > file, parses it and shows it's contents in the properties tab. When I
>> > write something like <dtml-var "myProduct.property1"> then I can access
> a
>> > part of the file.
>
>
>
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From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Thu May 10 18:03:16 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:03:16 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Create object inside newly created container?
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2FB@desi2>

Inside a python product, I have a class that subclasses OFS:Folder, and upon
TTW instatiation of this object, I want to have a ZCatalog instance called
'Catalog' created within this new folder.  Is the appropriate place to put
code to do this within the class __init__() or within the module's
manage_add...() method?  What would one use to obtain the namespace of a
newly created object after it is set in the ODB via _setObject()?  

I assume that after calling _setObject() in manage_add...(), that one could
traverse into the namespace of that object, and call
manage_addProduct['ZCatalog'].manage_addZCatalog()...

Any thoughts?

Sean

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From webmaven@lvcm.com  Thu May 10 18:02:33 2001
From: webmaven@lvcm.com (Michael Bernstein)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:02:33 -0700
Subject: [Zope] History of DC and/or Zope
References: <000001c0d910$b9723e30$abcc4e18@cr582427a>
Message-ID: <3AFAC9A9.396562A5@lvcm.com>

Andy McKay wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for any documents about the history and beginning of Zope.
> (Searches on Zope.org have turned up nothing so far, still searching)
> 
> I'm giving an intro to Zope talk to developers and wanted to quickly cover
> the history of Zope / DC etc. If there any suitable talks on this topic,
> pointers to those would be appreciated too :)

http://lwn.net/1998/1203/digicool.phtml

http://classic.zope.org:8080/Information/History

http://www.zope.org/Members/paul/BusinessDecision

HTH,

Michael Bernstein.


From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 10 18:23:02 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:23:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Create object inside newly created container?
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2FB@desi2>
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2FB@desi2>
Message-ID: <4027871.989522582@BUZZER>

Hi Sean,

--On Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2001 10:03 -0700 sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:

> Inside a python product, I have a class that subclasses OFS:Folder, and
> upon TTW instatiation of this object, I want to have a ZCatalog instance
> called 'Catalog' created within this new folder.  Is the appropriate
> place to put code to do this within the class __init__() or within the
> module's manage_add...() method?  What would one use to obtain the
> namespace of a newly created object after it is set in the ODB via
> _setObject()?
>
> I assume that after calling _setObject() in manage_add...(), that one
> could traverse into the namespace of that object, and call
> manage_addProduct['ZCatalog'].manage_addZCatalog()...

Most of the zope code uses _getObject() directly after _setObject() to get
the newly added object.

Regards
Tino


From tmoore@tembel.org  Thu May 10 18:24:32 2001
From: tmoore@tembel.org (Tim Moore)
Date: 10 May 2001 17:24:32 +0000
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZCatalog & resource not found error
In-Reply-To: Chris McDonough's message of "Wed, 09 May 2001 20:02:38 -0400"
References: <84vgnarv9h.fsf@challah.msrl.com> <3AF9DA9E.FC387FB6@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <84u22t3ynj.fsf@challah.msrl.com>

No, I'm afraid that's not it...the code below gives an attribute
error, and I have other scripts where I call getObject on a brain
object and have no problems...I think this and a few other methods on
the brain objects were added in Zope 2.3.

Even this fails:

results = container.Catalog(meta_type='Broadcast',
                            getStartTime=DateTime(),
                            getStartTime_usage='range:min',
                            sort_on='getStartTime')
result = results[0]
return result

And the strange thing is that it's failing on the last line (i.e., the
return statement).  If I change that line to return a dummy string
then there's no problem.

I could swear that I had something analogous to this working
before...is there a bug?  I tried upgrading to 2.3.2, but that hasn't
helped. :-(

Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com> writes:

> The objects returned in the sequence returned from
> Catalog.searchResults are "brain" objects.  These objects have no
> default representation.  This may be what you're looking to do:
> 
> results = container.Catalog(meta_type='Broadcast',
>                             getStartTime=DateTime(),
>                             getStartTime_usage='range:min',
>                             sort_on='getStartTime')
> 
> result = results[0]
> return container.Catalog.getObject(result)
> 
> Tim Moore wrote:
> > 
> > This python script:
> > 
> > 
> > return results[0]
> > 
> > produces this error when I click the 'Test' tab:
> > 
> > Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> > 
> > Resource not found
> > 
> > Sorry, the requested Zope resource does not exist.
> > Check the URL and try again.
> > 
> > If I take the [0] part off and have it return the whole results list,
> > I have no problems (it returns a list with two items).  Weird.
> > 
> > Any clues? (Zope 2.3.1 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86))
> > --
> > Tim Moore
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 

-- 
Tim Moore


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May 10 18:27:14 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:27:14 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Create object inside newly created container?
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2FB@desi2>
Message-ID: <3AFACF72.20FF4428@kaivo.com>

sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> 
> Inside a python product, I have a class that subclasses OFS:Folder, and upon
> TTW instatiation of this object, I want to have a ZCatalog instance called
> 'Catalog' created within this new folder.  Is the appropriate place to put
> code to do this within the class __init__() or within the module's
> manage_add...() method?  What would one use to obtain the namespace of a
> newly created object after it is set in the ODB via _setObject()?


IMHO the instantiation should be done in __init__ instead of the
manage_add... method so that if you subclass it, you retain this
behavior in the subclasses.

> I assume that after calling _setObject() in manage_add...(), that one could
> traverse into the namespace of that object, and call
> manage_addProduct['ZCatalog'].manage_addZCatalog()...

To instanciate ZCatalog in your product:

from Products.ZCatalog.ZCatalog import ZCatalog
from OFS.Folder import Folder

class MyClass(Folder):
    def __init__(self, id, title=''):
        catalog = ZCatalog('Catalog')
	self._setObject('Catalog', catalog)
        
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Sean
> 

hth
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From zope@thewebsons.com  Thu May 10 18:25:10 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:25:10 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Two Questions: One Easy, One Not
In-Reply-To: <memo.20010510164534.264J@joppa.compulink.co.uk>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510075851.00a0fec0@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510102256.00a09e90@thewebsons.com>

At 04:45 PM 5/10/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>No, you can ftp to zope itself- just ftp to the right port number, eg 8021.
>It's in the logging information you get when Zope starts.

Hmmm. Stupid question, but how exactly do I do that? In my WS_FTP client, I 
enter *thewebsons.com:8021* and I see my doc root. How do I upload these 
images into the Zope database?

>There was a bug with a recent version- I had the same problem, but the latest
>version seems to have it fixed.

Thanks. I've installed the newest distro. I'll report if there's a problem.
TIA,
BenO



From dieter@handshake.de  Wed May  9 21:02:19 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:02:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] External method default arg weirdness
In-Reply-To: <3AF98B27.788D2D61@yahoo.com>
References: <15096.16266.317370.302060@lindm.dm>
 <3AF98B27.788D2D61@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <15097.41547.405033.520761@lindm.dm>

Paul Winkler writes:
 > Uhhh... duh, you're right. The methods I was actually using have
 > "self" as first parameter.
 > 
 > But I don't understand why that affects the rest of the
 > parameters??? Very un-pythonic.
I agree. The more modern Python scripts solve the same problem
much better.

The motivation for this "feature":

  Often External Methods should behave like methods.
  Sometimes, they should not.

  The implementers used the following heuristics to distinguish
  between these two cases:

    First, it is tried to call the method with the parameters
    provided. If this raises a "TypeError" and the
    first parameter is called "self", then the
    call is retried, this time with "aq_parent" as first
    parameter.

  This magic works only, if the method is called with
  precisely one parameter less then the required
  arguments. It breaks very likely, when there are
  default parameters. In this case, you need to pass
  the "self" parameter explicitly and can not count on
  the magic.


Dieter


From dan@caliginous.com  Thu May 10 18:29:59 2001
From: dan@caliginous.com (Dan Jacobs)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:29:59 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope] Zope hosting companies in the UK.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101829210.32090-100000@mail.caliginous.com>

Hi All,

I've recently fallen in love with zope, using it for 2 large charity
projects I am doing in my free time.

Does anyone know of any zope hosting companies based in the UK and/or do
you think there would be demand for such a monster?

Regards,

Dan




From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 10 18:32:21 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:32:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Two Questions: One Easy, One Not
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510102256.00a09e90@thewebsons.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510102256.00a09e90@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <4586386.989523140@BUZZER>

Hi Ben,

--On Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2001 10:25 -0700 Ben Ocean <zope@thewebsons.com> 
wrote:

> At 04:45 PM 5/10/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>> No, you can ftp to zope itself- just ftp to the right port number, eg
>> 8021. It's in the logging information you get when Zope starts.
>
> Hmmm. Stupid question, but how exactly do I do that? In my WS_FTP client,
> I  enter *thewebsons.com:8021* and I see my doc root. How do I upload
> these  images into the Zope database?

Doc root? You may see your root-folder objects subobjects in a
file/folder representation.
So, make a directory (which results in creation of a folder-object
in zope object database) and change into it and then upload your
images. Zope will create object from images then.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain


>> There was a bug with a recent version- I had the same problem, but the
>> latest version seems to have it fixed.
>
> Thanks. I've installed the newest distro. I'll report if there's a
> problem. TIA,
> BenO
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )






From jeffr@odeon.net  Thu May 10 18:48:07 2001
From: jeffr@odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:48:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] Two Questions: One Easy, One Not
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510102256.00a09e90@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101242170.2795-100000@odeon.net>

If you mean you see your Zope root, then just make a folder and put them
there.  You're in the ZODB.

If you mean you see your Apache (or other web server) root, then there is
something strange going on, as Zope can't give you access to that (without
something like the LocalFS product).  If this is the case, then I'd
suspect that your WS_FTP client isn't using the port number properly and
you're actually connecting to the 'regular' ftp daemon on your box rather
than Zope on port 8021.

Jeff


On Thu, 10 May 2001, Ben Ocean wrote:

> At 04:45 PM 5/10/2001 +0100, you wrote:
> >No, you can ftp to zope itself- just ftp to the right port number, eg 8021.
> >It's in the logging information you get when Zope starts.
> 
> Hmmm. Stupid question, but how exactly do I do that? In my WS_FTP client, I 
> enter *thewebsons.com:8021* and I see my doc root. How do I upload these 
> images into the Zope database?
> 
> >There was a bug with a recent version- I had the same problem, but the latest
> >version seems to have it fixed.
> 
> Thanks. I've installed the newest distro. I'll report if there's a problem.
> TIA,
> BenO
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 



From Larry_Prikockis@ABI.org  Thu May 10 19:36:12 2001
From: Larry_Prikockis@ABI.org (Larry Prikockis)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:36:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope] listservs, forums and Zope...
Message-ID: <FBFF1B75591DDA4DA495C4D570EF008E0723DC@mangrove.abi.org>

Hi...
  I'm wondering if anyone has done anything along the lines of creating an
interface between an email list product such as listserv or majordomo and
Zope...  I'm setting up a small intranet site using Zope and trying to
figure out if there's an easy way to integrate our existing majordomo lists
with the new Zope site.

If one of the Zope forum products had an option for email notification, that
would go a long way towards solving the problem-- but it doesn't seem like
any provide this function at present.   Alternatively, if there were a
product that could accept an email message and create a message archive (ala
hypermail), that would be great too... I'm not yet familiar with Zope and
python to create something like this myself easily, but it seems to be a
fairly simple thing.

any ideas would be appreciated...
Larry

+
Larry J. Prikockis
Web Applications Specialist
Association for Biodiversity Information
703-908-1833 / larry_prikockis@abi.org / www.abi.org
+
All parts should go together without forcing.  You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you.  Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason.  By all means, do not
use a hammer.
	 -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


From cpgray@library.uwaterloo.ca  Thu May 10 19:34:58 2001
From: cpgray@library.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Gray)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:34:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Whatever happened to ... SQL Relay?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0105101432500.11190-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca>

Does anyone know what happened to SQL Relay?  The Sourceforge site says
that the project moved back to www.firstworks.com but DNS searches say
that that host doesn't exist.

Chris



From zope@thewebsons.com  Thu May 10 18:41:32 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:41:32 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Two Questions: One Easy, One Not
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2FA@desi2>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510103856.009f25b0@thewebsons.com>

At 09:02 AM 5/10/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>As for getting images into a database, consider looking into a python script
>called "loadSite.py" - it loads a site hierarchy from a file system and puts
>it into the ODB: http://www.zope.org/Members/itamar/load_site

Cool! But where do I put it? The instructions don't appear to address this 
issue (I couldn't find any installation instructions). Do I put it in my 
Products directory? It doesn't seem to be a product per se, so should I put 
it in my python1.5 directory? Please advise.
TIA,
BenO



From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 10 19:44:34 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:44:34 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZCatalog & resource not found error
References: <84vgnarv9h.fsf@challah.msrl.com> <3AF9DA9E.FC387FB6@digicool.com> <84u22t3ynj.fsf@challah.msrl.com>
Message-ID: <035901c0d981$428d50e0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

You say it gives an attribute error... what is the attribute error?

In any case, neither method definition you've provided will be very useful
if exercised from the Test tab.  Is that still how you're doing it?  Or are
you calling it from a DTML method?  What is the whole calling sequence and
how is the object that gets returned from this script used?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Moore" <tmoore@tembel.org>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:24 PM
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZCatalog & resource not found error


>
> No, I'm afraid that's not it...the code below gives an attribute
> error, and I have other scripts where I call getObject on a brain
> object and have no problems...I think this and a few other methods on
> the brain objects were added in Zope 2.3.
>
> Even this fails:
>
> results = container.Catalog(meta_type='Broadcast',
>                             getStartTime=DateTime(),
>                             getStartTime_usage='range:min',
>                             sort_on='getStartTime')
> result = results[0]
> return result
>
> And the strange thing is that it's failing on the last line (i.e., the
> return statement).  If I change that line to return a dummy string
> then there's no problem.
>
> I could swear that I had something analogous to this working
> before...is there a bug?  I tried upgrading to 2.3.2, but that hasn't
> helped. :-(
>
> Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com> writes:
>
> > The objects returned in the sequence returned from
> > Catalog.searchResults are "brain" objects.  These objects have no
> > default representation.  This may be what you're looking to do:
> >
> > results = container.Catalog(meta_type='Broadcast',
> >                             getStartTime=DateTime(),
> >                             getStartTime_usage='range:min',
> >                             sort_on='getStartTime')
> >
> > result = results[0]
> > return container.Catalog.getObject(result)
> >
> > Tim Moore wrote:
> > >
> > > This python script:
> > >
> > >
> > > return results[0]
> > >
> > > produces this error when I click the 'Test' tab:
> > >
> > > Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> > >
> > > Resource not found
> > >
> > > Sorry, the requested Zope resource does not exist.
> > > Check the URL and try again.
> > >
> > > If I take the [0] part off and have it return the whole results list,
> > > I have no problems (it returns a list with two items).  Weird.
> > >
> > > Any clues? (Zope 2.3.1 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86))
> > > --
> > > Tim Moore
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > > (Related lists -
> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
>
> --
> Tim Moore
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From renfro@tntech.edu  Thu May 10 19:42:39 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:42:39 -0500
Subject: [Zope] listservs, forums and Zope...
In-Reply-To: <FBFF1B75591DDA4DA495C4D570EF008E0723DC@mangrove.abi.org>; from Larry_Prikockis@ABI.org on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 02:36:12PM -0400
References: <FBFF1B75591DDA4DA495C4D570EF008E0723DC@mangrove.abi.org>
Message-ID: <20010510134239.B30609@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 02:36:12PM -0400, Larry Prikockis wrote:

>   I'm wondering if anyone has done anything along the lines of creating an
> interface between an email list product such as listserv or majordomo and
> Zope...

Don't know what it'll do for you exactly, but check out
http://www.zope.org/Members/NIP/ZMailIn

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From jojo@farm9.com  Thu May 10 19:54:49 2001
From: jojo@farm9.com (Joh Johannsen)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
Message-ID: <3AFAE3F9.F17C8ED@farm9.com>

I've got an Internal Session Data Container timeout set 30 minutes, but
occasionally I will start a new session, and all the session data
disappears after a couple minutes.  The way I understand it, any time I
access session data, that 30 minute timer starts again.  Is there
something I'm doing wrong here?

Thanks,

JJ


From jwb@imeme.net  Thu May 10 15:03:49 2001
From: jwb@imeme.net (Jake Berglund)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:03:49 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope hosting companies in the UK.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101829210.32090-100000@mail.caliginous.com>
Message-ID: <3AFA9FC5.6020702@imeme.net>

Hello,

Dan Jacobs wrote:


> Does anyone know of any zope hosting companies based in the UK and/or do
> you think there would be demand for such a monster?

NIP is in the UK.

http://www.nipltd.com/

iMeme is in America. ;)

http://imeme.net

Cheers,
Jake
-- 
Jake Berglund <jwb@imeme.net> Online Community Building
http://imeme.net - Affordable Zope Webhosting



From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 10 20:02:52 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:02:52 -0400
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
References: <3AFAE3F9.F17C8ED@farm9.com>
Message-ID: <039d01c0d983$d0e11910$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

You're right.  Which version of CoreSessionTracking are you using?  0.7 had
problems like this that AFAIK 0.8 solves entirely.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joh Johannsen" <jojo@farm9.com>
To: "zope" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:54 PM
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question


>
> I've got an Internal Session Data Container timeout set 30 minutes, but
> occasionally I will start a new session, and all the session data
> disappears after a couple minutes.  The way I understand it, any time I
> access session data, that 30 minute timer starts again.  Is there
> something I'm doing wrong here?
>
> Thanks,
>
> JJ
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Thu May 10 20:08:26 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:08:26 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Where are user created help files stored?
Message-ID: <000b01c0d984$97a72d00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

Zope2.3.2
Win98se/Redhat6.2

I am upgrading the READMEs for a simple Zope Product.
I clicked through the ZMI /Control_Panel/Products/ to add some help files.
Very nice :-) An example where TTW simple editing really makes sense.

I added two help pages for: 'install' and 'use' easily called like this:
http://jasonic/Control_Panel/Products/BSDObject/Help/use

Then I uploaded my Product folder to remote Linux setup.
Works fine but my help files are not there :/

The principle seems obvious to me -help files belong in each Products own
folder.
Where are the help files kept?
Various searches show lots of other help folders but not for my product.
Am I doing something wrong or is the workflow for this not yet well
developed?

Seems like a another vote for a consistent basic Zope Product maintenance
API like HiawathaZ[Zope Beans] ?

http://www.pault.com/pault/prod/Hiawatha/HiawathaZ.html

Also I am curious why does HiawathaZ proposal use separate non-python XML
tools?

thanks
./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From jburton@scw.org  Thu May 10 20:02:54 2001
From: jburton@scw.org (Joel Burton)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:02:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] listservs, forums and Zope...
In-Reply-To: <FBFF1B75591DDA4DA495C4D570EF008E0723DC@mangrove.abi.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101501410.2504-100000@olympus.scw.org>

On Thu, 10 May 2001, Larry Prikockis wrote:

> Hi...
>   I'm wondering if anyone has done anything along the lines of creating an
> interface between an email list product such as listserv or majordomo and
> Zope...  I'm setting up a small intranet site using Zope and trying to
> figure out if there's an easy way to integrate our existing majordomo lists
> with the new Zope site.
> 
> If one of the Zope forum products had an option for email notification, that
> would go a long way towards solving the problem-- but it doesn't seem like
> any provide this function at present.   Alternatively, if there were a
> product that could accept an email message and create a message archive (ala
> hypermail), that would be great too... I'm not yet familiar with Zope and
> python to create something like this myself easily, but it seems to be a
> fairly simple thing.

We use mailman, which is, IMHO, much easier to administer than majordomo,
and much less expensive than Listserv.

Mailman isn't a Zope product per se, but it is programmed in python, and
it's stuff is stored in python marshalled data, so it's fairly easy to get
at.

If I can offer specific help on places you're stuck, let me know.

-- 
Joel Burton   <jburton@scw.org>
Director of Information Systems, Support Center of Washington



From michel@digicool.com  Thu May 10 20:04:44 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:04:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <871ypy9pfg.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101159590.10475-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On 9 May 2001, Simon Michael wrote:

> Michel Pelletier <michel@digicool.com> writes:
> > We had this debate about ten years ago (internet time).  The result
> > of that debate is obvious.  Let's let dead dogs lie.
> 
> Hi Michel,
> 
> oops - wasn't aware this was a dog. (I might have forgotten). 
> Naturally until I see a good counter-argument from someone I'll
> continue to think the current setup is broken.*

Of course.

> It looks as if you want to squelch this thread, but it would have been
> nice to discuss this a little longer. We might have found out more
> about what the current consensus is (we had 2 for & 2 against); why
> people find it useful; who's decision it is one way or another; etc.

I didn't want to squelch it, I was just giving you my opinion.  You and
everyone else are welcome to continue to discuss it and you don't need my
consent or permission to do so.

> >From time to time I see discussions around here which seem well within
> bounds of reasonable tone and topic, and which interest at least some
> of the list membership, which "DC" seems to feel it must stamp on.
> 
> So I'll take the opportunity to ask: does DC officially frown on eg
> threads like this one ?

Not at all.  Absolutely nothing that I say on this list is the opinion of
Digital Creations.

-Michel



From michel@digicool.com  Thu May 10 20:15:47 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Where are user created help files stored?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c0d984$97a72d00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101212140.10475-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 10 May 2001, Jason Cunliffe wrote:

> Zope2.3.2
> Win98se/Redhat6.2
> 
> I am upgrading the READMEs for a simple Zope Product.
> I clicked through the ZMI /Control_Panel/Products/ to add some help files.
> Very nice :-) An example where TTW simple editing really makes sense.
> 
> I added two help pages for: 'install' and 'use' easily called like this:
> http://jasonic/Control_Panel/Products/BSDObject/Help/use
> 
> Then I uploaded my Product folder to remote Linux setup.
> Works fine but my help files are not there :/

Creating help topics through the web is really only meant for associating
them with ZClasses (you know, the little 'help' pull down box next to
ZClass views)

> The principle seems obvious to me -help files belong in each Products own
> folder.

Yep.

> Where are the help files kept?

In a directory in your product named 'help'.  .html, .txt, and .stx files
can be created there, as well as any images you want.  Help topics are
associated with object views in your objects 'manage_options'.  See just
about any core Zope product for an example.

> Various searches show lots of other help folders but not for my product.
> Am I doing something wrong or is the workflow for this not yet well
> developed?

http://www.zope.org/DocProjects/zope_product

-Michel



From slinkp23@yahoo.com  Thu May 10 20:26:06 2001
From: slinkp23@yahoo.com (Paul Winkler)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:26:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope] External method default arg weirdness
References: <15096.16266.317370.302060@lindm.dm>
 <3AF98B27.788D2D61@yahoo.com> <15097.41547.405033.520761@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <3AFAEB4E.99E170A9@yahoo.com>

Dieter Maurer wrote:
> 
> Paul Winkler writes:
>  > But I don't understand why that affects the rest of the
>  > parameters??? Very un-pythonic.

> I agree. The more modern Python scripts solve the same problem
> much better.
> 
> The motivation for this "feature":
> 
>   Often External Methods should behave like methods.
>   Sometimes, they should not.
> 
>   The implementers used the following heuristics to distinguish
>   between these two cases:
> 
>     First, it is tried to call the method with the parameters
>     provided. If this raises a "TypeError" and the
>     first parameter is called "self", then the
>     call is retried, this time with "aq_parent" as first
>     parameter.
> 
>   This magic works only, if the method is called with
>   precisely one parameter less then the required
>   arguments. It breaks very likely, when there are
>   default parameters. In this case, you need to pass
>   the "self" parameter explicitly and can not count on
>   the magic.

Thanks for the clarification. Now I see why it's done that way,
but I still think it's a pretty dodgy solution - it's like,
"Here you can write python code that will behave like you expect
it to, but it will fail under certain obscure circumstances, and
when it breaks the traceback error will not help you."  Too much
magic hand-waving for me.

I'll try python scripts, see if that's better.

-- 
...................    paul winkler   ....................
custom calendars & printing: http://www.calendargalaxy.com
       A member of ARMS:   http://www.reacharms.com
            home page:  http://www.slinkp.com


From jojo@farm9.com  Thu May 10 20:54:23 2001
From: jojo@farm9.com (Joh Johannsen)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:54:23 -0700
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
References: <3AFAE3F9.F17C8ED@farm9.com> <039d01c0d983$d0e11910$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <3AFAF1EF.70B4092@farm9.com>

Using 0.8 with Zope 2.2.4

Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> You're right.  Which version of CoreSessionTracking are you using?  0.7 had
> problems like this that AFAIK 0.8 solves entirely.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joh Johannsen" <jojo@farm9.com>
> To: "zope" <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:54 PM
> Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
> 
> >
> > I've got an Internal Session Data Container timeout set 30 minutes, but
> > occasionally I will start a new session, and all the session data
> > disappears after a couple minutes.  The way I understand it, any time I
> > access session data, that 30 minute timer starts again.  Is there
> > something I'm doing wrong here?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > JJ
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >


From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 10 21:03:21 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:03:21 -0400
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
References: <3AFAE3F9.F17C8ED@farm9.com> <039d01c0d983$d0e11910$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <3AFAF1EF.70B4092@farm9.com>
Message-ID: <007901c0d98c$43f5e090$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

In that case, I don't know the answer... is anyone else other than Jon
having this problem?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joh Johannsen" <jojo@farm9.com>
To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
Cc: "zope" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question


> Using 0.8 with Zope 2.2.4
>
> Chris McDonough wrote:
> >
> > You're right.  Which version of CoreSessionTracking are you using?  0.7
had
> > problems like this that AFAIK 0.8 solves entirely.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joh Johannsen" <jojo@farm9.com>
> > To: "zope" <zope@zope.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:54 PM
> > Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
> >
> > >
> > > I've got an Internal Session Data Container timeout set 30 minutes,
but
> > > occasionally I will start a new session, and all the session data
> > > disappears after a couple minutes.  The way I understand it, any time
I
> > > access session data, that 30 minute timer starts again.  Is there
> > > something I'm doing wrong here?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > JJ
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > > (Related lists -
> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> > >
>



From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Thu May 10 21:12:42 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:12:42 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Whatever happened to ... SQL Relay?
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CB8@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

It's still at firstworks.  His hosting co was acquired and he had to make a
DNS change. You should be able to hit it sometime soon (next coupla days).
I got it just fine.

Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Gray [mailto:cpgray@library.uwaterloo.ca]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:35 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] Whatever happened to ... SQL Relay?


Does anyone know what happened to SQL Relay?  The Sourceforge site says
that the project moved back to www.firstworks.com but DNS searches say
that that host doesn't exist.

Chris


From dieter@handshake.de  Thu May 10 21:02:59 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:02:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] getPhysicalPath of a DTML Method?
In-Reply-To: <504125090@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15098.62451.92265.856952@lindm.dm>

iap_y2fun.com writes:
 > ... pythical path of a DTML method ...
 > 1. The "method.this().absolute_url(1)" work-around dosen't
 > work for me.
Why not?

What about:
     "method.getPhysicalPath()"


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Thu May 10 20:58:38 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:58:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] view management screens
In-Reply-To: <488145888@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15098.62190.585124.446984@lindm.dm>

nuno writes:
 > Why the external methods need to have view management screens to run ?
That seems to be special for your installation.

I have never seen it.
The call of our external methods (that we use intensively) are protected
by view permissions. Only "manage_main" (to edit the methods)
are protected by "View management screens".


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Thu May 10 21:12:38 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:12:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Batch-adding images with extra attribs
In-Reply-To: <619458926@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15098.63030.738530.619090@lindm.dm>

Etienne  Labuschagne writes:
 > I have a lot of images that I must upload into Zope.  I can probably use
 > FTP, but I have another problem.  I add a copyright attribute to each image.
I would use "load_site.py" (in the "utilities" subfolder of the
Zope distribution) as a base and extend it with the property addition.


Dieter



From dieter@handshake.de  Thu May 10 21:09:18 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:09:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Adding an ExtFile from a web page
In-Reply-To: <740792031@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15098.62830.727001.374463@lindm.dm>

Andrei Cenja writes:
 > --=====================_58536290==_.ALT
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Please do not post MIME messages!
 > ....
 > context.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].manage_addFile(id=<>, title=<>, file=<> )
 > 
 > and now I would like to do something equivalent with manage_addExtFile; 
 > however, I constantly receive a key error
 > 
 > Error Type: KeyError
 > Error Value: standard_html_header
Apparently, the acquisition chain is broken.
This could happen, if "manage_addExtFile" would be a DTML object.
You should check the "signature" of "manage_addExtFile", i.e.
what parameters it wants.

Furthermore, we might help you better, if you include the
traceback in your problem report.


Dieter


From laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu  Thu May 10 22:25:03 2001
From: laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu (Laurie Nason)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:25:03 -0500
Subject: [Zope] <dtml-in> looping over lines in document
Message-ID: <NFBBIFLELKMLLIEKAAOKCECLCCAA.laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu>

Hi guys & gals,

Is it possible to use <dtml-in> over a DTML method's text and get each line
out one by one. I know there is a lines property but am not sure how or if
it can be used in this context.

The reason I am asking is that I am trying somehow to store my lookup values
for my select boxes in one folder with each lookup having a separate DTML
method containing the values. If anyone has a better idea, please let me
know.

Thanks,
Laurie

Laurie Nason
Dept. of Biochemistry - N420
Baylor College of Medicine
Houston. TX77030



From Danny@Adair.net  Thu May 10 22:52:20 2001
From: Danny@Adair.net (Danny William Adair)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:52:20 +1200
Subject: [Zope] listservs, forums and Zope...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101501410.2504-100000@olympus.scw.org>
Message-ID: <JIEMJAOKEEMJAAOOJGOMGENADOAA.Danny@Adair.net>

Did you see the code Ken Manheimer posted last year? There might be very
useful stuff in there...

On July 6, 2000, Ken Manheimer wrote:
>>> ...
>>> One of the first things zope exercises i did when learning zope, not
tool
>>> long after coming to digital creations, was create a product that hooked
>>> up with the Mailman installation on zope.org.  (One of the last things i
>>> did at my prior job, at CNRI, was to resurrect and revitalize the
>>> prototype Mailman, for use as the maillist manager on python.org.)
>>>
>>> I moved on to other things, and the MMRoster product may be way out of
>>> date - i don't even know if the mailman interfaces have changed from
>>> underneath, and i *know* that the zope ones have - but the product still
>>> may offer some useful clues about one way to hook up with mailman.  I
just
>>> uploaded a tarball of it to my members folder - see
>>>
>>>   http://www.zope.org/Members/klm/MailmanStuff/MMRoster.tar.gz
>>>
>>> (I know ethan is interested in this topic, and barry warsaw, mailman's
>>> current maintainer and my old colleague/buddy, has also expressed
>>> interest, so i'm cc'ing them.)
>>>
>>> All this said, i'm spread too thin at the moment to be able to *do* much
>>> more than watch, maybe chime in, if stuff happens...
>>>
>>> ...

hth a little,
Danny


>>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]Im Auftrag von Joel
>>> Burton
>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2001 07.03
>>> An: Larry Prikockis
>>> Cc: 'zope@zope.org'
>>> Betreff: Re: [Zope] listservs, forums and Zope...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 10 May 2001, Larry Prikockis wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi...
>>> >   I'm wondering if anyone has done anything along the lines
>>> of creating an
>>> > interface between an email list product such as listserv or
>>> majordomo and
>>> > Zope...  I'm setting up a small intranet site using Zope and trying to
>>> > figure out if there's an easy way to integrate our existing
>>> majordomo lists
>>> > with the new Zope site.
>>> >
>>> > If one of the Zope forum products had an option for email
>>> notification, that
>>> > would go a long way towards solving the problem-- but it
>>> doesn't seem like
>>> > any provide this function at present.   Alternatively, if there were a
>>> > product that could accept an email message and create a
>>> message archive (ala
>>> > hypermail), that would be great too... I'm not yet familiar
>>> with Zope and
>>> > python to create something like this myself easily, but it
>>> seems to be a
>>> > fairly simple thing.
>>>
>>> We use mailman, which is, IMHO, much easier to administer than
>>> majordomo,
>>> and much less expensive than Listserv.
>>>
>>> Mailman isn't a Zope product per se, but it is programmed in python, and
>>> it's stuff is stored in python marshalled data, so it's fairly
>>> easy to get
>>> at.
>>>
>>> If I can offer specific help on places you're stuck, let me know.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joel Burton   <jburton@scw.org>
>>> Director of Information Systems, Support Center of Washington
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>>> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>>> (Related lists -
>>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>>>



From zope@thewebsons.com  Thu May 10 22:31:52 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:31:52 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Acting As a Regular Server
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510142726.00a06810@thewebsons.com>

Hi;
I know there are several products out there for making regular URLs resolve 
(e.g.; http://localhost.com/ ) and getting Zope to interpret it all 
correctly, but I've misplaced my notes and given up searching the Zope site 
after an hour: what are they again? Also, is it possible to simply 
reconfigure one's httpd.conf file in such a way to redirect traffic to the 
appropriate directory (and what would that be?). I don't want to have to 
reconfigure all of my virtualhosts to make them call up Zope, just the new 
ones I'll be building on this platform, but it sure would be nice to use 
the Apache server. What's the best way to do this?
TIA,
BenO



From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Thu May 10 22:47:35 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:47:35 -0700
Subject: [Zope] History of DC and/or Zope
In-Reply-To: <3AFAC9A9.396562A5@lvcm.com>; from webmaven@lvcm.com on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:02:33AM -0700
References: <000001c0d910$b9723e30$abcc4e18@cr582427a> <3AFAC9A9.396562A5@lvcm.com>
Message-ID: <20010510144735.H539@blanchardsite.com>

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:02:33AM -0700, Michael Bernstein
wrote:
> Andy McKay wrote:
> > 
> > I'm looking for any documents about the history and beginning
> > of Zope.  (Searches on Zope.org have turned up nothing so
> > far, still searching)
> > 
> > I'm giving an intro to Zope talk to developers and wanted to
> > quickly cover the history of Zope / DC etc. If there any
> > suitable talks on this topic, pointers to those would be
> > appreciated too :)
> 
> http://lwn.net/1998/1203/digicool.phtml
> 
> http://classic.zope.org:8080/Information/History
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/paul/BusinessDecision
> 
cool! i've been giving a series of zope demos/talks to drum up
interest in lazug.org out here in southern california over the
last month or so and could've used this info! oh well, it'll make
the one i'm doing tonite better anyway... <g>

cheers,
-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From lstafford@morphics.com  Thu May 10 23:21:02 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:21:02 -0700
Subject: [Zope] <dtml-in> looping over lines in document
In-Reply-To: <NFBBIFLELKMLLIEKAAOKCECLCCAA.laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICCEIAGGAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

1. A lines property is probably the simplest solution. If your property is
called MyList, then your DTML would be

<dtml-in MyList>
 <dtml-var sequence-item><br>
</dtml-in>

2. Instead of a property, you could use a DTML method that simply returns a
list of precoded values, like this:

<dtml-return "[
'Private',
'Public'
]">

4. There probably is a way to suck the lines of a DTML method out as a list,
but that wouldn't be a straight-forward solution.

5. You could use a TinyTable is the list is more complicated.

-- Loren

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> Laurie Nason
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 14:25
> To: Zope
> Subject: [Zope] <dtml-in> looping over lines in document
>
>
> Hi guys & gals,
>
> Is it possible to use <dtml-in> over a DTML method's text and get
> each line
> out one by one. I know there is a lines property but am not sure how or if
> it can be used in this context.
>
> The reason I am asking is that I am trying somehow to store my
> lookup values
> for my select boxes in one folder with each lookup having a separate DTML
> method containing the values. If anyone has a better idea, please let me
> know.
>
> Thanks,
> Laurie
>
> Laurie Nason
> Dept. of Biochemistry - N420
> Baylor College of Medicine
> Houston. TX77030
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Thu May 10 23:29:21 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:29:21 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Acting As a Regular Server
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510142726.00a06810@thewebsons.com>; from zope@thewebsons.com on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 02:31:52PM -0700
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510142726.00a06810@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <20010510152921.J539@blanchardsite.com>

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 02:31:52PM -0700, Ben Ocean wrote:
> Hi;
> I know there are several products out there for making regular URLs resolve 
> (e.g.; http://localhost.com/ ) and getting Zope to interpret it all 
> correctly, but I've misplaced my notes and given up searching the Zope site 
> after an hour: what are they again? Also, is it possible to simply 
> reconfigure one's httpd.conf file in such a way to redirect traffic to the 
> appropriate directory (and what would that be?). I don't want to have to 
> reconfigure all of my virtualhosts to make them call up Zope, just the new 
> ones I'll be building on this platform, but it sure would be nice to use 
> the Apache server. What's the best way to do this?
> TIA,
> BenO
> 
if i understand your question, this is what you're looking for:
http://www.zope.org/Members/anser/apache_zserver

hth,
-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From andres@corrada.com  Fri May 11 00:10:32 2001
From: andres@corrada.com (andres@corrada.com)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:10:32 -0400
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
In-Reply-To: <007901c0d98c$43f5e090$8e17a8c0@kurtz>; from Chris McDonough on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:03:21PM -0400
References: <3AFAE3F9.F17C8ED@farm9.com> <039d01c0d983$d0e11910$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <3AFAF1EF.70B4092@farm9.com> <007901c0d98c$43f5e090$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <20010510191032.B31180@corrada.com>

Yes, I noticed this erratic behaviour also and raised the time to 60 minutes
and have not had a problem since then, but I would prefer to feel safe setting
it back down to 30.

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:03:21PM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote:
> In that case, I don't know the answer... is anyone else other than Jon
> having this problem?
> 

------------------------------------------------------
Andres Corrada-Emmanuel   Email: andres@corrada.com
Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
------------------------------------------------------


From zope@thewebsons.com  Fri May 11 00:13:04 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:13:04 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Acting As a Regular Server
In-Reply-To: <20010510152921.J539@blanchardsite.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510142726.00a06810@thewebsons.com>
 <5.0.2.1.0.20010510142726.00a06810@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510160805.00a18950@thewebsons.com>

At 03:29 PM 5/10/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 02:31:52PM -0700, Ben Ocean wrote:
> > Hi;
> > I know there are several products out there for making regular URLs 
> resolve
> > (e.g.; http://localhost.com/ ) and getting Zope to interpret it all
> > correctly, but I've misplaced my notes and given up searching the Zope 
> site
> > after an hour: what are they again? Also, is it possible to simply
> > reconfigure one's httpd.conf file in such a way to redirect traffic to the
> > appropriate directory (and what would that be?). I don't want to have to
> > reconfigure all of my virtualhosts to make them call up Zope, just the new
> > ones I'll be building on this platform, but it sure would be nice to use
> > the Apache server. What's the best way to do this?
> > TIA,
> > BenO
> >
>if i understand your question, this is what you're looking for:
>http://www.zope.org/Members/anser/apache_zserver

After reviewing that page (which I appreciate), I'm not sure that this 
works for *all* calls to a URL. In other words, if my server is called 
*thewebsons.com*, I have a virtual host called *allmyjokes.com* and I want 
all calls to *allmyjokes.com* to call the ZServer and Zope, how do I 
configure this in such a way that a client can click, for example, 
http://AllMyJokes.com/ and be redirected to 
http://TheWebsons.com:8080/allmyjokes/ with it being transparent to the 
client? Do I do this in the <Directory> container or in the <VirtualHost> 
container? The latter makes more sense to me, and hence the confusion.
TIA,
BenO



From andym@ActiveState.com  Fri May 11 00:42:05 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:42:05 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Using an arbitrary connection on a ZSQL Method
Message-ID: <006001c0d9aa$d1c41450$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Just did a useful hack I wanted share...

Occasionally I find it useful to have one SQL Method that I can call with a
different DB connection, programatically. For example I have a test and a
live database. Using manage_editProperties each
time of course means writing a new copy of the object. The following patch
means that you can override the connection_id on the ZSQLMethod with
CONNECTION_ID in REQUEST.

This could be cleaned up a little of course but I found it useful in
conjunction with session management.

--- l:\lib\python\Shared\DC\ZRDB\DA.py  Thu May 10 16:29:25 2001
+++ q:\lib\python\Shared\DC\ZRDB\DA.py  Thu May 10 15:08:36 2001
@@ -457,11 +457,14 @@
                 if hasattr(self, 'REQUEST'): REQUEST=self.REQUEST
                 else: REQUEST={}

-        try: dbc=getattr(self, self.connection_id)
+        if REQUEST is not None and REQUEST.has_key('CONNECTION_ID'): c_id =
REQ
UEST['CONNECTION_ID']
+        else: c_id = self.connection_id
+
+        try: dbc=getattr(self, c_id)
         except AttributeError:
             raise AttributeError, (
                 "The database connection <em>%s</em> cannot be found." % (
-                self.connection_id))
+                c_id))

         try: DB__=dbc()
         except: raise 'Database Error', (


Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.





From jojo@farm9.com  Fri May 11 00:39:30 2001
From: jojo@farm9.com (Joh Johannsen)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:39:30 -0700
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
References: <3AFAE3F9.F17C8ED@farm9.com> <039d01c0d983$d0e11910$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <3AFAF1EF.70B4092@farm9.com> <007901c0d98c$43f5e090$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <20010510191032.B31180@corrada.com>
Message-ID: <3AFB26B2.A4633D7E@farm9.com>

strange, I changed the timeout to 10 minutes (hoping to find a
reproduceable case), and now it has not happened since.  I haven't tried
60 minutes yet.  20 and 30 both did not behave very well.

Thanks for the info.

Regards,

JJ

andres@corrada.com wrote:
> 
> Yes, I noticed this erratic behaviour also and raised the time to 60 minutes
> and have not had a problem since then, but I would prefer to feel safe setting
> it back down to 30.
> 
> On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:03:21PM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote:
> > In that case, I don't know the answer... is anyone else other than Jon
> > having this problem?
> >
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Andres Corrada-Emmanuel   Email: andres@corrada.com
> Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
> ------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Fri May 11 00:46:33 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:46:33 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Acting As a Regular Server
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510160805.00a18950@thewebsons.com>; from zope@thewebsons.com on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:13:04PM -0700
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510142726.00a06810@thewebsons.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010510142726.00a06810@thewebsons.com> <20010510152921.J539@blanchardsite.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010510160805.00a18950@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <20010510164633.M539@blanchardsite.com>

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:13:04PM -0700, Ben Ocean wrote:
> At 03:29 PM 5/10/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> >On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 02:31:52PM -0700, Ben Ocean wrote:
> > > Hi;
> > > I know there are several products out there for making regular URLs 
> > resolve
> > > (e.g.; http://localhost.com/ ) and getting Zope to interpret it all
> > > correctly, but I've misplaced my notes and given up searching the Zope 
> > site
> > > after an hour: what are they again? Also, is it possible to simply
> > > reconfigure one's httpd.conf file in such a way to redirect traffic to the
> > > appropriate directory (and what would that be?). I don't want to have to
> > > reconfigure all of my virtualhosts to make them call up Zope, just the new
> > > ones I'll be building on this platform, but it sure would be nice to use
> > > the Apache server. What's the best way to do this?
> > > TIA,
> > > BenO
> > >
> >if i understand your question, this is what you're looking for:
> >http://www.zope.org/Members/anser/apache_zserver
> 
> After reviewing that page (which I appreciate), I'm not sure that this 
> works for *all* calls to a URL. In other words, if my server is called 
> *thewebsons.com*, I have a virtual host called *allmyjokes.com* and I want 
> all calls to *allmyjokes.com* to call the ZServer and Zope, how do I 
> configure this in such a way that a client can click, for example, 
> http://AllMyJokes.com/ and be redirected to 
> http://TheWebsons.com:8080/allmyjokes/ with it being transparent to the 
> client? Do I do this in the <Directory> container or in the <VirtualHost> 
> container? The latter makes more sense to me, and hence the confusion.
> 

i use the <VirtalHost> directive to do the ProxyPass-ing as
instructed in the how-to. Works just fine. You can pass to _any_
subfolder in your zope hierarchy you want. Do it in the
<VirtualHost> for *allmyjokes.com* and it should work just
fine...

btw: remember you have to enable "mod_proxy" elsewhere in the apache
configs for this to work...

hth,
-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From zope@thewebsons.com  Fri May 11 00:59:55 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:59:55 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510165825.009fd040@thewebsons.com>

Hi;
I'm still having problems with ZServer quitting on me on a whim. Can 
someone help me figure out how to trouble-shoot this? I just installed the 
latest distro, so it's not the *old bug* that plagued earlier versions.
TIA,
BenO



From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May 11 01:12:03 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:12:03 -0400
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
References: <3AFAE3F9.F17C8ED@farm9.com> <039d01c0d983$d0e11910$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <3AFAF1EF.70B4092@farm9.com> <007901c0d98c$43f5e090$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <20010510191032.B31180@corrada.com> <3AFB26B2.A4633D7E@farm9.com>
Message-ID: <3AFB2E53.C45BAB1C@digicool.com>

This is troubling.  Please keep me informed if weird things start to
happen again... before I make the next release I suppose I need to make
some more tests.  Currently the test suite only tests a session data
object with a 1-minute timeout (as a 30 minute timeout would make for a
pretty silly test).  The 1-minute test seems to work just fine,
however.  :-(


Joh Johannsen wrote:
> 
> strange, I changed the timeout to 10 minutes (hoping to find a
> reproduceable case), and now it has not happened since.  I haven't tried
> 60 minutes yet.  20 and 30 both did not behave very well.
> 
> Thanks for the info.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> JJ
> 
> andres@corrada.com wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I noticed this erratic behaviour also and raised the time to 60 minutes
> > and have not had a problem since then, but I would prefer to feel safe setting
> > it back down to 30.
> >
> > On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:03:21PM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote:
> > > In that case, I don't know the answer... is anyone else other than Jon
> > > having this problem?
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Andres Corrada-Emmanuel   Email: andres@corrada.com
> > Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From dan@caliginous.com  Fri May 11 01:12:17 2001
From: dan@caliginous.com (Dan Jacobs)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:12:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope] Changing ZClasses
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105110108360.4293-100000@mail.caliginous.com>

Hi All,

I just created a new ZClass which is basically a file with added
properties.

Now I would like to convert a load of ftp'd files to this new ZClass, is
there an easy way of doing this?

Regards,

Dan





From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May 11 01:21:26 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:21:26 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510165825.009fd040@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <3AFB3086.10F574E2@digicool.com>

I can try to help, but I'm not sure where to start.

First of all, when you say ZServer quits on you, do you mean that Zope
stops running?  Is there an error?

What platform are you running on?

Do you have debug logging turned on?  (ie. do you have the
STUPID_LOG_FILE environment variable set up)?  If so, is there anything
in the log?

I'm afraid it'll be too slow for us to trade "do this, then do that"
messages to troubleshoot this problem, so hopefully you'll be able to
(over the next few days):

- turn on debug logging (look for STUPID_LOG_FILE).  Look at the log and
see if anything is in there when a quit happens.

- try to establish a pattern for the quits (time of day, heavy load,
after a method is run, etc.)

- get any other information related to the Zope process on the machine
at quit time (is there a core file?  is the process still running when
ZServer 'quits' or does it actually go away?)

Please report back any findings to the list.  Thanks!

HTH,

- C


Ben Ocean wrote:
> 
> Hi;
> I'm still having problems with ZServer quitting on me on a whim. Can
> someone help me figure out how to trouble-shoot this? I just installed the
> latest distro, so it's not the *old bug* that plagued earlier versions.
> TIA,
> BenO
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From zope@thewebsons.com  Fri May 11 01:45:39 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:45:39 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
In-Reply-To: <3AFB3086.10F574E2@digicool.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510165825.009fd040@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510174409.00a18e40@thewebsons.com>

At 08:21 PM 5/10/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>I can try to help, but I'm not sure where to start.
>
>First of all, when you say ZServer quits on you, do you mean that Zope
>stops running?  Is there an error?

HTTP 404

>What platform are you running on?

RH6.2

>Do you have debug logging turned on?  (ie. do you have the
>STUPID_LOG_FILE environment variable set up)?  If so, is there anything
>in the log?

No, I don't have it turned on. How do I do this? I just searched zope.org 
for the above and found next to nothing, and nothing useful.

>I'm afraid it'll be too slow for us to trade "do this, then do that"
>messages to troubleshoot this problem, so hopefully you'll be able to
>(over the next few days):
>
>- turn on debug logging (look for STUPID_LOG_FILE).  Look at the log and
>see if anything is in there when a quit happens.
>
>- try to establish a pattern for the quits (time of day, heavy load,
>after a method is run, etc.)
>
>- get any other information related to the Zope process on the machine
>at quit time (is there a core file?  is the process still running when
>ZServer 'quits' or does it actually go away?)
>
>Please report back any findings to the list.  Thanks!

Will do.
TIA,
BenO



From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May 11 02:23:35 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:23:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510165825.009fd040@thewebsons.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010510174409.00a18e40@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <3AFB3F17.722022D3@digicool.com>

Ben Ocean wrote:
> 
> At 08:21 PM 5/10/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >I can try to help, but I'm not sure where to start.
> >
> >First of all, when you say ZServer quits on you, do you mean that Zope
> >stops running?  Is there an error?
> 
> HTTP 404

Do you mean to say that every time Zope tries to serve a page that
doesn't exist that ZServer stops running? 

> >Do you have debug logging turned on?  (ie. do you have the
> >STUPID_LOG_FILE environment variable set up)?  If so, is there anything
> >in the log?
> 
> No, I don't have it turned on. How do I do this? I just searched zope.org
> for the above and found next to nothing, and nothing useful.

http://www.google.com/search?q=STUPID_LOG_FILE

basically, set an environment variable named STUPID_LOG_FILE to the name
of the file where you'd like debug info to go.

On UNIX, add the following to your Zope's "start" file:

export STUPID_LOG_FILE=var/debug.log

A file will be created in the var directory of that Zope instance when
Zope is run named "debug.log".  It will collect messages related to Zope
operation.  Some will be meaningful, some less so.  ;-)

- C


From lstafford@morphics.com  Fri May 11 02:30:42 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:30:42 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510174409.00a18e40@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICCEIDGGAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

When you search zope.org it's often better to use the Google Search box at
http://www.zope.org/SiteIndex/searchForm. If you enter STUPID_LOG_FILE in
the Google box, you'll get a lot of results. I got 68 when I tried.

> >Do you have debug logging turned on?  (ie. do you have the
> >STUPID_LOG_FILE environment variable set up)?  If so, is there anything
> >in the log?
>
> No, I don't have it turned on. How do I do this? I just searched zope.org
> for the above and found next to nothing, and nothing useful.



From kedai@kedai.com.my  Fri May 11 02:57:43 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (bak (kedai))
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:57:43 +0800
Subject: [Zope] _v_ for volatile (was Product event when zope restarts
In-Reply-To: <3AFAA84C.4230C7AD@kaivo.com>
References: <012e01c0d954$d6a08c20$150aa8c0@amphora.ee> <3AFAA84C.4230C7AD@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <01051109574301.00961@tokey>

> If you must here is what I would do:
>
> Use two volatile variables to store the mod date and the data like:
>
> _v_mod
> _v_data
>
> Then stat the file when it is accessed and see if its date differs from
> _v_mod (if it has already been accessed). If not, return _v_data.
> Otherwise read the file, return the data and store it into _v_data and
> the mod date in _v_mod.
>
> hth,
---from ZDG-----

 The second rule is that all object attributes that begin with _v_ are 
"volatile" and are not saved to the database. This means that as long as the 
persistent object is in Zope memory cache, volatile attributes can be used. 
When the object is deactivated (removed from memory) volatile attributes are 
thrown away.

 Volatile attributes are useful for data that is good to cache for a while 
but can often be thrown away and easily recreated. File connections, cached 
calculations, rendered templates, all of these kinds of things are useful 
applications of volatile attributes.
---------------------------

 so, we may lose _v_mod, _v_data.  what if we store these vars to be 
nonvolatile.  what will that do?  is that bad design?

does this fall in the "good to cache for a while but can often be thrown away 
and easily recreated" department?

this is something that i don't really understand.  when to use _v_, and when 
not to.

thanks


From barry@digicool.com  Fri May 11 04:18:14 2001
From: barry@digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:18:14 -0400
Subject: [Zope] listservs, forums and Zope...
References: <FBFF1B75591DDA4DA495C4D570EF008E0723DC@mangrove.abi.org>
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101501410.2504-100000@olympus.scw.org>
Message-ID: <15099.23030.881890.789580@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JB" == Joel Burton <jburton@scw.org> writes:

    JB> We use mailman, which is, IMHO, much easier to administer than
    JB> majordomo, and much less expensive than Listserv.

That's great to hear! :)

    JB> Mailman isn't a Zope product per se, but it is programmed in
    JB> python, and it's stuff is stored in python marshalled data, so
    JB> it's fairly easy to get at.

    JB> If I can offer specific help on places you're stuck, let me
    JB> know.

Given that a former and current Mailman developer both work for DC,
there's a darn good chance that it will become easier and easier to
integrate Mailman and Zope.  I have plans for Mailman 3.0 to rewrite
the underlying database code so that e.g. ZODB could be plugged in
instead of the homegrown, hardwired marshaling approach.  I also have
plans for writing interfaces so that authentication and memberships
can be handed off to external (to Mailman) processes, e.g. Zope and
CMF.  And it would be cool if the UI could be pluggable too so that
things like Presentation Templates or other Zope UI mechanisms can be
used.

Really, the grand plan for Mailman 3.0 is to sort of turn it inside
out, so that it's a package of functionality that can be plugged into
all sorts of other frameworks.  Then there'll probably be a "Mailman
classic" framework so that you can continue run it standalone if you
want.

Don't ask me when that'll happen, I've no idea.  First I need to get
the current 2.1 code base out of alpha so that there's a solid
internationalized Mailman release (with, of course, lots of other
wizzy new features :).

Cheers,
-Barry


From jojo@farm9.com  Fri May 11 04:49:39 2001
From: jojo@farm9.com (Joh Johannsen)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:49:39 -0700
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
References: <3AFAE3F9.F17C8ED@farm9.com> <039d01c0d983$d0e11910$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <3AFAF1EF.70B4092@farm9.com> <007901c0d98c$43f5e090$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <20010510191032.B31180@corrada.com> <3AFB26B2.A4633D7E@farm9.com> <3AFB2E53.C45BAB1C@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3AFB6153.219B01CC@farm9.com>

Good news -- its reproducible, sort of... I've had a brief period where
I could reproduce an instant "wipe-out" as soon as a session started.  I
had a slow-loading page, where it renders minus some graphics -- when it
is not completely loaded, I click on a link -- when that link comes up
all session data is gone.  

If I let the page load completely, session data remains.  This makes me
think it has more to do with the automatic creation of session data, I
do: <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('sessionData',
sessionDataManager.getSessionData())"> on every single page -- it seems
like sometimes I am just getting a new session when I think I should be
getting an existing one.

This way is fairly reproducible, not all the time, but so far around 2/3
of the time (and I've tried it like 20 times).  The "losing session
data" part is like 2/3 of time, but so far I've never lost it if I let
page load completely.

Regards,

JJ

Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> This is troubling.  Please keep me informed if weird things start to
> happen again... before I make the next release I suppose I need to make
> some more tests.  Currently the test suite only tests a session data
> object with a 1-minute timeout (as a 30 minute timeout would make for a
> pretty silly test).  The 1-minute test seems to work just fine,
> however.  :-(
> 
> Joh Johannsen wrote:
> >
> > strange, I changed the timeout to 10 minutes (hoping to find a
> > reproduceable case), and now it has not happened since.  I haven't tried
> > 60 minutes yet.  20 and 30 both did not behave very well.
> >
> > Thanks for the info.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > JJ
> >
> > andres@corrada.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, I noticed this erratic behaviour also and raised the time to 60 minutes
> > > and have not had a problem since then, but I would prefer to feel safe setting
> > > it back down to 30.
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:03:21PM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote:
> > > > In that case, I don't know the answer... is anyone else other than Jon
> > > > having this problem?
> > > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Andres Corrada-Emmanuel   Email: andres@corrada.com
> > > Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > > (Related lists -
> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
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From anthony@interlink.com.au  Fri May 11 05:02:40 2001
From: anthony@interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:02:40 +1000
Subject: [Zope] forcing a ZEO client to retrieve something from it's server.
Message-ID: <200105110402.OAA09379@mbuna.arbhome.com.au>

For testing the state of a system, I want to be able to do a request
that confirms that a ZEO client is alive, and that it's backend server
is alive. I know I can do something like a write, but I really, really
don't want to do that - Data.fs bloat. Is there a way to make a ZEO
client get something from the server? Can you make an object that the
ZEO client won't cache?

ta,
Anthony


From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May 11 05:28:36 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:28:36 -0400
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
References: <3AFAE3F9.F17C8ED@farm9.com> <039d01c0d983$d0e11910$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <3AFAF1EF.70B4092@farm9.com> <007901c0d98c$43f5e090$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <20010510191032.B31180@corrada.com> <3AFB26B2.A4633D7E@farm9.com> <3AFB2E53.C45BAB1C@digicool.com> <3AFB6153.219B01CC@farm9.com>
Message-ID: <3AFB6A74.ACC26A1@digicool.com>

Excellent, thanks for the report!  I'll check it out...

Joh Johannsen wrote:
> 
> Good news -- its reproducible, sort of... I've had a brief period where
> I could reproduce an instant "wipe-out" as soon as a session started.  I
> had a slow-loading page, where it renders minus some graphics -- when it
> is not completely loaded, I click on a link -- when that link comes up
> all session data is gone.
> 
> If I let the page load completely, session data remains.  This makes me
> think it has more to do with the automatic creation of session data, I
> do: <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('sessionData',
> sessionDataManager.getSessionData())"> on every single page -- it seems
> like sometimes I am just getting a new session when I think I should be
> getting an existing one.
> 
> This way is fairly reproducible, not all the time, but so far around 2/3
> of the time (and I've tried it like 20 times).  The "losing session
> data" part is like 2/3 of time, but so far I've never lost it if I let
> page load completely.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> JJ


From danny@adair.net  Fri May 11 05:36:41 2001
From: danny@adair.net (Danny William Adair)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:36:41 +1200
Subject: [Zope] user roles in standard_error_message
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010511161806.00a5c7c8@getmail.adair.net>

Hi!

While customizing my standard_error_message, I ran into a little problem: 
Someone with the role "Member" is logged in and tries to access a resource 
that does not exist. Same could happen to someone who doesn't have that 
role (Anonymous). Now I have two different style sheets for members and 
non-members: A member might click on a broken link from within the 
members-only area (having a... pink background), the anonymous user clicked 
the same broken link from a publicly accessible area of the site (having 
a... silver background). I would like to keep the different background 
colors when showing my error message so I put a

<dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_role('Member')">
<dtml-var "members_css">
<dtml-else>
<dtml-var "public_css">
</dtml-if>

in the head section of standard_error_message (these *_css are ZStyleSheets)
My problem is, that it's always the public_css that will show up.

So I checked with

<dtml-var "AUTHENTICATED_USER.getRoles()">

in both the members area and standard_error_message. To my surprise the 
member role was gone:

In the members area getRoles() returned
('Member',)

while in standard_error_message ( _.str(error_type)=='NotFound' ) it returned
('Anonymous',)

btw, the role is not really "lost", I can go back to the members area and 
click through members-only pages without problems.

What's happening?
This looks like buggy, naughty misbehavior :-), doesn't it?

tia,
Danny



From danny@adair.net  Fri May 11 05:40:20 2001
From: danny@adair.net (Danny William Adair)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:40:20 +1200
Subject: [Zope] user roles in standard_error_message
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010511163838.00a69e10@getmail.adair.net>

sorry sorry sorry,
I just reinstalled my email client and didn't turn off html sending... sorry




Hi!

While customizing my standard_error_message, I ran into a little problem: 
Someone with the role "Member" is logged in and tries to access a resource 
that does not exist. Same could happen to someone who doesn't have that 
role (Anonymous). Now I have two different style sheets for members and 
non-members: A member might click on a broken link from within the 
members-only area (having a... pink background), the anonymous user clicked 
the same broken link from a publicly accessible area of the site (having 
a... silver background). I would like to keep the different background 
colors when showing my error message so I put a

<dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_role('Member')">
<dtml-var "members_css">
<dtml-else>
<dtml-var "public_css">
</dtml-if>

in the head section of standard_error_message (these *_css are ZStyleSheets)
My problem is, that it's always the public_css that will show up.

So I checked with

<dtml-var "AUTHENTICATED_USER.getRoles()">

in both the members area and standard_error_message. To my surprise the 
member role was gone:

In the members area getRoles() returned
('Member',)

while in standard_error_message ( _.str(error_type)=='NotFound' ) it returned
('Anonymous',)

btw, the role is not really "lost", I can go back to the members area and 
click through members-only pages without problems.

What's happening?
This looks like buggy, naughty misbehavior :-), doesn't it?

tia,
Danny 



From jwm@plain.co.nz  Fri May 11 05:57:21 2001
From: jwm@plain.co.nz (John Morton)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:57:21 +1200
Subject: [Zope] Postgres and transactions
Message-ID: <01051116572106.06701@antares>

I'm attempting to use a ZSQL method to create a new user in a postgresql=20
database (in the CREATE USER... sense), using Popy and postgres 7.0. The=20
problem is that CREATE USER throws an error if you use it inside an expli=
cit=20
transaction. So:=20

Does any know how to explicity turn off transactions for a particular ZSQ=
L=20
method?

Do any of the other postgresql adapters work any better? (I'd test them, =
but=20
I've had build troubles with the others.)

Can I get away with just inserting the appropriate data into pg_user or i=
s=20
CREATE USER doing some other magic?

I'd be grateful for any clues anyone has.

John


From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Fri May 11 07:08:36 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:08:36 -0700
Subject: [Zope] listservs, forums and Zope...
In-Reply-To: <15099.23030.881890.789580@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@digicool.com on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:18:14PM -0400
References: <FBFF1B75591DDA4DA495C4D570EF008E0723DC@mangrove.abi.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101501410.2504-100000@olympus.scw.org> <15099.23030.881890.789580@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20010510230836.O539@blanchardsite.com>

Just my $0.02 - the topic of wanting Mailman integrated with Zope seems
to come up often in the demos and presentations I've been giving
out here in Southern California... <sigh>


On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:18:14PM -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "JB" == Joel Burton <jburton@scw.org> writes:
> 
>     JB> We use mailman, which is, IMHO, much easier to administer than
>     JB> majordomo, and much less expensive than Listserv.
> 
> That's great to hear! :)
> 
>     JB> Mailman isn't a Zope product per se, but it is programmed in
>     JB> python, and it's stuff is stored in python marshalled data, so
>     JB> it's fairly easy to get at.
> 
>     JB> If I can offer specific help on places you're stuck, let me
>     JB> know.
> 
> Given that a former and current Mailman developer both work for DC,
> there's a darn good chance that it will become easier and easier to
> integrate Mailman and Zope.  I have plans for Mailman 3.0 to rewrite
> the underlying database code so that e.g. ZODB could be plugged in
> instead of the homegrown, hardwired marshaling approach.  I also have
> plans for writing interfaces so that authentication and memberships
> can be handed off to external (to Mailman) processes, e.g. Zope and
> CMF.  And it would be cool if the UI could be pluggable too so that
> things like Presentation Templates or other Zope UI mechanisms can be
> used.
> 
> Really, the grand plan for Mailman 3.0 is to sort of turn it inside
> out, so that it's a package of functionality that can be plugged into
> all sorts of other frameworks.  Then there'll probably be a "Mailman
> classic" framework so that you can continue run it standalone if you
> want.
> 
> Don't ask me when that'll happen, I've no idea.  First I need to get
> the current 2.1 code base out of alpha so that there's a solid
> internationalized Mailman release (with, of course, lots of other
> wizzy new features :).
> 
> Cheers,
> -Barry
> 

-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From burton@w3cast.com  Fri May 11 07:43:23 2001
From: burton@w3cast.com (Alex Burton)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:43:23 -0400
Subject: [Zope] styled text editing
In-Reply-To: <E14xssu-0005E7-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E14xssu-0005E7-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <a05010400b72136e5fb1f@[192.168.1.6]>

Hello All, not a pure Zope question here:

I'm investigating solutions to input and manipulate styled text that 
will end up in a SQL database. It should probably be a simple 
interface to HTML.

The goal is to allow writers to input styles into text (such as 
putting titles in italic, personal names in bold) without having them 
do HTML or structured text, nor cut&paste into a visual HTML editor. 
This SQL data will head one way back onto the web (live zope) and the 
other way into a print layout program (probably as an XML file).

What i would need is <i>, <b>, <u>, <p>, <hn>, maybe <dir> based on 
tabs, you know, just the basic stuff.

Possibilities i can think of:

  A Java applet that talks to Zope or SQL (like the new(?) hotmail editor).
  A Flash file that talks to Zope (assuming there is a Flash widget to 
do such editing)
  An SQL-aware app on the desktop (made in VBasic or something like that)
  ...?

It actually does not have to be HTML, as long as Zope can deal with 
it (can go in a SQL blob).

Anyone worked or stumbled upon something like this?

We may have some resources to do development towards this, so general 
pointers and ideas are also welcomed.

Thanks,
Alex.


From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Fri May 11 07:56:32 2001
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (Dario Lopez-Kästen)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:56:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] listservs, forums and Zope...
References: <FBFF1B75591DDA4DA495C4D570EF008E0723DC@mangrove.abi.org><Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101501410.2504-100000@olympus.scw.org> <15099.23030.881890.789580@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <001901c0d9e7$82f1a080$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>

From: "Barry A. Warsaw" <barry@digicool.com

>=20
> Really, the grand plan for Mailman 3.0 is to sort of turn it inside
> out, so that it's a package of functionality that can be plugged into
> all sorts of other frameworks.  Then there'll probably be a "Mailman
> classic" framework so that you can continue run it standalone if you
> want.
>=20
> Don't ask me when that'll happen, I've no idea.  First I need to get
> the current 2.1 code base out of alpha so that there's a solid
> internationalized Mailman release (with, of course, lots of other
> wizzy new features :).
>=20


I'd be very interested in looking into this, but I need some hints on =
where to start looking. Is there a description of how mailman works =
internally or is it just a question of finding tiume to "user the =
source, Luke"? Specifically, I'd like to start by getting users from a =
SQL database, and being able to dynamically changes what lists a user =
belongs to.

This I need to couple to users, groups and roles in zope.

Any hints?

/dario





From hannu@tm.ee  Fri May 11 05:17:16 2001
From: hannu@tm.ee (Hannu Krosing)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:17:16 +0500
Subject: [Zope] Postgres and transactions
References: <01051116572106.06701@antares>
Message-ID: <3AFB67CC.F445E7AF@tm.ee>

John Morton wrote:
> 
> I'm attempting to use a ZSQL method to create a new user in a postgresql
> database (in the CREATE USER... sense), using Popy and postgres 7.0. The
> problem is that CREATE USER throws an error if you use it inside an explicit
> transaction.

I see no problem here:

hannu=# begin;
BEGIN
hannu=#  create user hu;
CREATE USER
hannu=# commit;
COMMIT
hannu=# 


maybe your zope user has no right to create new users ?

-------------
Hannu


From d.legg@ncl.ac.uk  Fri May 11 09:02:54 2001
From: d.legg@ncl.ac.uk (David Legg)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:02:54 +0100
Subject: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing 'view', not contents
References: <A0CB750E1402D511A47600A0C9E110D1125FE9@IWA-MERCURY>
Message-ID: <00bb01c0d9f0$c8d2a3c0$1ec6f080@ncl.ac.uk>

I had the same problem - I now have the same version 5.50.4522.1800 - this
sorts it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Meilicke, Scott" <scott.meilicke@intp.com>
To: "'Chris McDonough'" <chrism@digicool.com>; "Chris Withers"
<chrisw@nipltd.com>
Cc: "Meilicke, Scott" <scott.meilicke@intp.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing
'view', not contents


> I don't - I have a laptop on win2k, and usually just 'Hibernate' - suspend
> to disk, instead of shutting down and restarting in the morning.  I
> performed an update via windowsupdate.microsoft.com a few days ago and did
> not reboot when prompted because I was in the middle of something.  I
> rebooted this morning, and it works fine now.  For what it's worth, I'm
> currently running IE 5.5, sp1, version 5.50.4522.1800.
>
> Oddly enough I had the same problem last night with Netscape - once.
> Unfortunately I don't remember exactly what I did to correct it, but my
site
> prompted me to log in again via a windows logon window, not the usual web
> logon.  Sorry I didn't write down exactly what I did...
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:54 AM
> To: Chris Withers
> Cc: Meilicke, Scott; zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing
> 'view', not contents
>
>
> Do you know what version it is via "About" so we can pin down the problem
to
> specific versions?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
> Cc: "Meilicke, Scott" <scott.meilicke@intp.com>; <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing
> 'view', not contents
>
>
> > Chris McDonough wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Scott... this is a known bug in some versions of IE 5.5.  Upgrade
> > > your browser to the latest IE and it will go away.
> >
> > Someone here is still having this problem with the latest-and-greatest
IE
> Sp2
> > :-(
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > (the web is dead, long live the OODB and a dedicated fat client ;-)
> >
>
>



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 11 09:56:32 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:56:32 +0100
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
References: <3AFAE3F9.F17C8ED@farm9.com> <039d01c0d983$d0e11910$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <3AFAF1EF.70B4092@farm9.com> <007901c0d98c$43f5e090$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <20010510191032.B31180@corrada.com> <3AFB26B2.A4633D7E@farm9.com> <3AFB2E53.C45BAB1C@digicool.com> <3AFB6153.219B01CC@farm9.com> <3AFB6A74.ACC26A1@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3AFBA940.5B49B44E@nipltd.com>


Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> Excellent, thanks for the report!  I'll check it out...

Incidentally, I've been 'feeling' the same thing with 0.8.0 and Zope 2.3.2...

cheers,

Chris


From nika@kassube.de  Thu May 10 14:59:12 2001
From: nika@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:59:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Get attributes of a doc in another folder
In-Reply-To: <005501c0d8b4$1b10e9a0$0301a8c0@provence>; from glenfant@bigfoot.com on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 08:16:00PM +0200
References: <005501c0d8b4$1b10e9a0$0301a8c0@provence>
Message-ID: <20010510155912.A27196@kursk.kassube.de>

Guten Abend.

* Gilles Lenfant <glenfant@bigfoot.com> [2001-05-09 20:16]:
 
> <dtml-with folder>
> <dtml-call "manage_addDTMLDocument(id=aname,title=prenom+' '+nom,file='')">
> <dtml-with expr="aname">

Here "aname" is a string. Imho there should be an error message
if you do this to an dtml-with tag :-)

You want the object with the id aname, so you have to get it:
_.getitem(aname). Your dtml-with tag then looks like this:

        <dtml-with expr="_.getitem(aname)">

Cheers,
Nils


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 11 10:00:46 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:00:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope hosting companies in the UK.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101829210.32090-100000@mail.caliginous.com>
Message-ID: <3AFBAA3E.82316CC6@nipltd.com>

Dan Jacobs wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I've recently fallen in love with zope, using it for 2 large charity
> projects I am doing in my free time.
> 
> Does anyone know of any zope hosting companies based in the UK and/or do
> you think there would be demand for such a monster?

Hi Dan,

Check out:

http://www.nipltd.net

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 11 10:14:05 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:14:05 +0100
Subject: [Fwd: [Zope] silly IE display question - manage screens showing 'view',
 not contents]
Message-ID: <3AFBAD5D.2FDB215B@nipltd.com>

Robert Davis wrote:
> 
> IE 5.0 with SP2 - 5.00.3314.2101

This version has problems...

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 11 10:17:34 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:17:34 +0100
Subject: [Zope] listservs, forums and Zope...
References: <FBFF1B75591DDA4DA495C4D570EF008E0723DC@mangrove.abi.org>
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101501410.2504-100000@olympus.scw.org> <15099.23030.881890.789580@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <3AFBAE2E.40B39EAF@nipltd.com>

"Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:
> 
> Given that a former and current Mailman developer both work for DC,
> there's a darn good chance that it will become easier and easier to
> integrate Mailman and Zope. 

Cool :-)

> I have plans for Mailman 3.0 to rewrite
> the underlying database code so that e.g. ZODB could be plugged in
> instead of the homegrown, hardwired marshaling approach.  I also have
> plans for writing interfaces so that authentication and memberships
> can be handed off to external (to Mailman) processes, e.g. Zope and
> CMF.  And it would be cool if the UI could be pluggable too so that
> things like Presentation Templates or other Zope UI mechanisms can be
> used.
> 
> Really, the grand plan for Mailman 3.0 is to sort of turn it inside
> out, so that it's a package of functionality that can be plugged into
> all sorts of other frameworks.  Then there'll probably be a "Mailman
> classic" framework so that you can continue run it standalone if you
> want.

What are the chances of Mailman becoming a 'Zope App'?

Incidentally, on of the things I'm hoping for with Swishdot is to make it more
of a cross between a weblog and a mailing list so I wonder if there's an
opportunity for collaboration here?

cheers,

Chris


From gilles.lavaux@esrin.esa.it  Fri May 11 09:57:32 2001
From: gilles.lavaux@esrin.esa.it (Gilles Lavaux)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:57:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: my Method to stop zope dead:
Message-ID: <00bb01c0d9f8$6afc2480$fce3ccc1@asgard.esrin.esa.it>

Hello

This thread is going around since several years now (and zope version).
I am aware of this problem because I encounter it since zope 0.9.xxx (or was
  it 1.0.xx??) :-); and I would love to have a solution...
I only use zope basic functionality: Zserver + one postgreSQL adapter
  (Zpopyda at this time) and use some external methods , also some mailhost
  object. No Zclass or fancy products.

I am personally thinking that ONE of the problem is that there is no
  time-out on the Zserver socket, I think that if for some reason a request
  get stuck, the thread is never released. If you use all the thread pool,
  your server doesn't reply anymore.

Exercise (It's just a silly test I have done 5 mins ago):
- my Zserver is configured to have a pool of 4 threads
- I create en external method which loop
- I create an DTML (hang_test) method which call this external method, then
  I make 4 copy ( hang_test1,hang_test2, etc..)
- from a browser I call 2 of them:
  the requests get stuck as expected:  I use the debug page to check them:
(I
  have 2 long running threads at this time)
            1)Opened:Fri May 11 09:12:13 2001 (488.23s)
               HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING :  'deflate, gzip, x-gzip,
identity,*;q=0'.
               SERVER_PORT : '8080'. etc.....
            2)Opened:Fri May 11 09:19:54 2001 (27.81s).....
            3)debug request.
            4)free.

- I block the zserver by calling the other hang_test3, hang_test4 methods.
- that it. My Zope server is now bloqued since 15 minutes, I will see if it
  reply again later on.
- eventualy (if I have some time) I will redo the same test using Zserver
  with a timeout socket library to see if it act the same...

please understand that this is just a demonstration, I know that doing
  infinite loop is silly. In real life, one blocking condition I saw(I am
  almost sure of that, just almost) was the mailhost object: In case of
  empty(or bad, I don't remember) mail recipient, the request was blocking
  when it was doing the sendmail. This server was dying every few days.

- my zope server is still dead: I have requests in my browser dated from 33
  mins.

have someone a solution?

Gilles

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Ocean <zope@thewebsons.com>
To: zope@zope.org <zope@zope.org>
Date: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:50 AM
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started


>Hi;
>I'm still having problems with ZServer quitting on me on a whim. Can
>someone help me figure out how to trouble-shoot this? I just installed the
>latest distro, so it's not the *old bug* that plagued earlier versions.
>TIA,
>BenO
>
>
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 11 10:44:43 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:44:43 +0100
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: my Method to stop
 zope dead:
References: <00bb01c0d9f8$6afc2480$fce3ccc1@asgard.esrin.esa.it>
Message-ID: <3AFBB48B.8EF9584@nipltd.com>

Gilles Lavaux wrote:
> 
> I am personally thinking that ONE of the problem is that there is no
>   time-out on the Zserver socket, I think that if for some reason a request
>   get stuck, the thread is never released. If you use all the thread pool,
>   your server doesn't reply anymore.

I'd second that...

> - eventualy (if I have some time) I will redo the same test using Zserver
>   with a timeout socket library to see if it act the same...

I'd be very interested to see the results :-)

> please understand that this is just a demonstration, I know that doing
>   infinite loop is silly. In real life, one blocking condition I saw(I am
>   almost sure of that, just almost) was the mailhost object: In case of
>   empty(or bad, I don't remember) mail recipient, the request was blocking
>   when it was doing the sendmail. This server was dying every few days.

That could be a problem with your mail server, ours just comes back straight
away and Zope raises an error.

> have someone a solution?

I hope so, that could be what's causing our server to hang since the system
involved can have some very logn running methods...

cheers,

Chris

ChrisM: I cc'ed you on this because I have a hunch that it's something along
these lines that's causing the hangs I mentioned on zope-dev.
That said, would the python process usage drop down to nothing in the above
scenario?


From mail@peterbe.com  Fri May 11 10:49:22 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:49:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope.org webpage Members section (right place to post question?)
Message-ID: <00cc01c0da00$0e67e940$1c64a8c0@PBN>

In my members section, I have a folder full of DTML Documents with some
example code that I would like to display the document_src of. Isn't that
possible?
It requires loggin in, and I can't change the secutiry settings of the
subfolder to let Anonymous Users look at the document_src.
Any other page can be seen using the DTML Source link at the bottom.

help.please.peter



From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Fri May 11 11:12:04 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:12:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Can't get "objectIds()" (and others) from XML-RPC
Message-ID: <009501c0da02$d520cbe0$0301a8c0@provence>

Hi group...

I'm trying to use XML-RPC server features of ZOPE using Fredrik Lundh's
xmlrpclib and the BasicAuthTransport class explained in Amos Latteier's
Howto http://www.zope.org/Members/Amos/XML-RPC.

I've tried to do some stuffs explained in Amos's article at
http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2000/01/xmlrpc/index.html

I succeeded reading a DTML document with server.document_src() but when
trying to get a folder objects list, like in the example:

<python>
from xmlrpclib import Server
from BasicAuthTransport import BasicAuthTransport
srv = xmlrpclib.Server('http://localhost:8080/anyfolder',
BasicAuthTransport('myself', 'mypassword'))
print srv.objectIds()    # raises the xmlrpclib.Fault exception
</python>

I got always this exception !

<console>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./userlist.py", line 10, in ?
    print srv.objectIds()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 539, in
__call__
    return self.__send(self.__name, args)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 622, in
__request
    request
  File "./BasicAuthTransport.py", line 46, in request
    return self.parse_response(h.getfile())
  File "/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 593, in
parse_respo
nse
    return u.close()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 367, in close
    raise apply(Fault, (), self._stack[0])
xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -2: 'Unexpected Zope error value:
<html><head><title>D
...
</TD>\n\n<TD WIDTH="90%">\n  <H2>Site Error</H2>\n  <P>An error was
encountered while publishing this resource.
</P>\n  <P><STRONG>Resource not found</STRONG></P>
Sorry, the requested resource does not exist.<p>Check the URL and try
again.<p>
<!--
http://localhost:8080/anyfolder/objectIds
-->
<HR NOSHADE>
<P>Troubleshooting Suggestions</P>\n\n  <UL>\n  <LI>T
he URL may be incorrect.</LI>\n  <LI>The parameters passed to this resource
may
</console>

"objectIds" method is not the only one that raises an exception.
When using methods inherited from class "ObjectManagerItem", it works but I
got similar exception when using other methods inherited from class
"ObjectManager". As mentioned in the API doc, a folder is supposed to be a
subclass of "ObjectManagerItem" and "ObjectManager".

Did I miss something ?

Thanks in advance for any hint.



From bz@bwanazulia.com  Fri May 11 11:21:46 2001
From: bz@bwanazulia.com (BZ)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 06:21:46 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Product Manage Tabs (not showing up)
In-Reply-To: <009501c0da02$d520cbe0$0301a8c0@provence>
References: <009501c0da02$d520cbe0$0301a8c0@provence>
Message-ID: <p05100c0fb7216c938ceb@[10.0.1.25]>

I have added a manage tab to a product and no matter what type of 
reboot, refresh, re-whatever I do I cannot seem to get the manage tab 
to show up.

         {'label': 'Advanced',
          'action': 'manage_catalogAdvanced',
          'target':'manage_main'},

Even if I change a name of one of the existing managed tabs, it does 
not show up?

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
JMA


From magnus.heino@rivermen.se  Fri May 11 11:25:18 2001
From: magnus.heino@rivermen.se (Magnus Heino (Rivermen))
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:25:18 +0200
Subject: SV: [Zope] Product Manage Tabs (not showing up)
Message-ID: <F1301BD33F9846468C35875DD3056A0F0348F9@tjernobyl.rivernet.rivermen.se>

> I have added a manage tab to a product and no matter what type of 
> reboot, refresh, re-whatever I do I cannot seem to get the manage tab 
> to show up.

It should look something like this in your product...:

manage_options = (
                {'label':'Edit', 'action':'manage_main'},
        )+PropertyManager.manage_options+\
        SimpleItem.manage_options

manage_main above must have the right permissions also...

from AccessControl import ClassSecurityInfo
security = ClassSecurityInfo()
security.declareProtected('View management screens', 'manage')

Then your manage dtml should look something like this...

<dtml-var manage_page_header>
<dtml-with "_(management_view='Edit')">
<dtml-var manage_tabs>
</dtml-with>
 
<p class="form-help">
This is the edit form.
</p>
 
<dtml-var manage_page_footer>

/Magnus


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Fri May 11 11:45:12 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:45:12 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Can't get "objectIds()" (and others) from XML-RPC
References: <009501c0da02$d520cbe0$0301a8c0@provence>
Message-ID: <013901c0da07$77592110$5c773fc1@media1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:12 AM
Subject: [Zope] Can't get "objectIds()" (and others) from XML-RPC


<snip>

> "objectIds" method is not the only one that raises an exception.
> When using methods inherited from class "ObjectManagerItem", it works but
I
> got similar exception when using other methods inherited from class
> "ObjectManager". As mentioned in the API doc, a folder is supposed to be a
> subclass of "ObjectManagerItem" and "ObjectManager".
>
> Did I miss something ?

Yes, you did!

The objectIds are no longer callable via a URL, they can only be called from
DTML or Python (internal and external).

This means that you can't call it via XML-RPC.

Don't lose hope though, here's how to get around this limitation.

Create an Internal Python Script in the root of Zope, with these contents:

return context.objectItems()

This will return the list and all will be well.

You should though have some security on this method, otherwise *everybody*
will see the contents on your Zope instance.

>
> Thanks in advance for any hint.
>
>
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From ftelist@lightwerk.com  Fri May 11 12:21:08 2001
From: ftelist@lightwerk.com (Frank Tegtmeyer)
Date: 11 May 2001 13:21:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: Simon Michael's message of "09 May 2001 16:08:36 -0700"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105071502130.31531-100000@localhost.localdomain>
 <871ypy9pfg.fsf@joyful.com> <87snie86iz.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <ufae4k168r.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>

Michel Pelletier <michel@digicool.com> writes:

> everyone else are welcome to continue to discuss it and you don't need my
> consent or permission to do so.

My opinion: Putting the list name into the subject is totally
redundant and ugly.

Everybody who gets mailinglists will sort them into folders (at
least). A mail client that is only able to filter for subjects is
broken and shouldn't be used.

There are many good mail clients out there, even for the Windows and
Macintosh world, so there is nearly no excuse not to use them. Rigid
corporate environments are out of course. 

Regards, Frank


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Fri May 11 12:25:48 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:25:48 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <ufae4k168r.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105111525110.32478-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On 11 May 2001, Frank Tegtmeyer wrote:
> Everybody who gets mailinglists will sort them into folders (at
> least). A mail client that is only able to filter for subjects is
> broken and shouldn't be used.

   And by what means you suggested to sort?

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From lists@kassube.de  Fri May 11 12:42:35 2001
From: lists@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:42:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105111525110.32478-100000@phd.fep.ru>; from phd@phd.fep.ru on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 03:25:48PM +0400
References: <ufae4k168r.fsf@westkapp.fte.to> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105111525110.32478-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <20010511134235.B6143@kursk.kassube.de>

* Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> [2001-05-11 13:25]:

> And by what means you suggested to sort?

By recipient (= To and Cc header) or do what I do and use the
List-Id header. My procmail recipe:

--cut--
:0:
* ^List-Id: .*zope.zope.org
in.zope
--cut--

Cheers,
Nils


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Fri May 11 12:53:14 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:53:14 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Can't get "objectIds()" (and others) from XML-RPC
References: <009501c0da02$d520cbe0$0301a8c0@provence> <013901c0da07$77592110$5c773fc1@media1> <039201c0da10$d0d4e900$0301a8c0@provence>
Message-ID: <015101c0da10$f665c310$5c773fc1@media1>

Ah, now then.  You've hit some of the problems of XML-RPC here.

There is no way to pass named params with XML-RPC.

XMLRPC also can't handle 'None' or NIL or anything that means undefined.

You could try and work around this by using a dictionary of params rather
than simple params.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Can't get "objectIds()" (and others) from XML-RPC


> Many thanks Phil !
> It worked at first attempt !
>
> Hmmm. additional question for this kind of workaround :
> I need support for optional arguments in a Zope python script, just like
> this in "natural python"
>
> def stuff(param=None):
>   if param:
>     # do it with provided param
>   else:
>     # provide default param
>     param = []
>
> I've tried to put "param=None" in the parameter list of the zope
management
> screen but it seems that it remains like "None" when I provide data for
the
> "param"...
>
> This is just for using "objectIds()" and "objectIds('DTML Method')" with
the
> same Zope python script "myObjectIds"
>
> TIA again
>
> Gilles
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil Harris
> To: Gilles Lenfant ; zope@zope.org
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Can't get "objectIds()" (and others) from XML-RPC
>
>
> Yes, you did!
>
> The objectIds are no longer callable via a URL, they can only be called
from
> DTML or Python (internal and external).
>
> This means that you can't call it via XML-RPC.
>
> Don't lose hope though, here's how to get around this limitation.
>
> Create an Internal Python Script in the root of Zope, with these contents:
>
> return context.objectItems()
>
> This will return the list and all will be well.
>
> You should though have some security on this method, otherwise *everybody*
> will see the contents on your Zope instance.
>
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any hint.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May 11 13:01:58 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:01:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: my Method to
 stop zope dead:
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c0d9f8$6afc2480$fce3ccc1@asgard.esrin.esa.it>
References: <00bb01c0d9f8$6afc2480$fce3ccc1@asgard.esrin.esa.it>
Message-ID: <17074742.989589718@BUZZER>

Hi Gilles,


--On Freitag, 11. Mai 2001 10:57 +0200 Gilles Lavaux 
<gilles.lavaux@esrin.esa.it> wrote:

> Hello
>
> This thread is going around since several years now (and zope version).
> I am aware of this problem because I encounter it since zope 0.9.xxx (or
> was   it 1.0.xx??) :-); and I would love to have a solution...
> I only use zope basic functionality: Zserver + one postgreSQL adapter
>   (Zpopyda at this time) and use some external methods , also some
> mailhost   object. No Zclass or fancy products.
>
> I am personally thinking that ONE of the problem is that there is no
>   time-out on the Zserver socket, I think that if for some reason a
> request   get stuck, the thread is never released. If you use all the
> thread pool,   your server doesn't reply anymore.

Thats true. Even worser if the request ends in an external
c-library (like for database-access) I believe the whole
thread engine get stuck at once since the calling python instruction
never ends and this way no 120 (or whatever once might have configured)
instrucktions on this particular thread can be executed to go over
to the next. We therefore need a solution to handle this situation
ansynchronously or can give the python interpreter a proper wait state
for this thread so it can continues to process the other threads.

Regards
Tino


> Exercise (It's just a silly test I have done 5 mins ago):
> - my Zserver is configured to have a pool of 4 threads
> - I create en external method which loop
> - I create an DTML (hang_test) method which call this external method,
> then   I make 4 copy ( hang_test1,hang_test2, etc..)
> - from a browser I call 2 of them:
>   the requests get stuck as expected:  I use the debug page to check them:
> (I
>   have 2 long running threads at this time)
>             1)Opened:Fri May 11 09:12:13 2001 (488.23s)
>                HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING :  'deflate, gzip, x-gzip,
> identity,*;q=0'.
>                SERVER_PORT : '8080'. etc.....
>             2)Opened:Fri May 11 09:19:54 2001 (27.81s).....
>             3)debug request.
>             4)free.
>
> - I block the zserver by calling the other hang_test3, hang_test4 methods.
> - that it. My Zope server is now bloqued since 15 minutes, I will see if
> it   reply again later on.
> - eventualy (if I have some time) I will redo the same test using Zserver
>   with a timeout socket library to see if it act the same...
>
> please understand that this is just a demonstration, I know that doing
>   infinite loop is silly. In real life, one blocking condition I saw(I am
>   almost sure of that, just almost) was the mailhost object: In case of
>   empty(or bad, I don't remember) mail recipient, the request was blocking
>   when it was doing the sendmail. This server was dying every few days.
>
> - my zope server is still dead: I have requests in my browser dated from
> 33   mins.
>
> have someone a solution?
>
> Gilles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Ocean <zope@thewebsons.com>
> To: zope@zope.org <zope@zope.org>
> Date: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:50 AM
> Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
>
>
>> Hi;
>> I'm still having problems with ZServer quitting on me on a whim. Can
>> someone help me figure out how to trouble-shoot this? I just installed
>> the latest distro, so it's not the *old bug* that plagued earlier
>> versions. TIA,
>> BenO
>>
>>
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From aschmidt@nv.cc.va.us  Fri May 11 12:59:04 2001
From: aschmidt@nv.cc.va.us (Schmidt, Allen J.)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:59:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Where are user created help files stored?
Message-ID: <5CDFEBB60E7FD311B9E30000F6D6090688C035@novamail.nv.cc.va.us>

On a side note I have wondered about in the past...

Do help files HAVE to be attached to products? Since the help link is always
available, I would like to create a help file for a FOLDER that houses all
my content (DTML methods, ZSQL methods, etc.) For example, I created and
maintain a Business directory of local businesses and it lives in a
BusinessDirectory folder off the root. I want to create help files so that
if I get 'Bussed' (run over by a bus) then those that follow me can know
exactly how things are done within the 'app' - i.e. how data gets
transferred in, how images are loaded, how to maintain the admin tool, etc.
Would be great if the help for just this tool was context-linked to the help
link in that folder.

Not sure if I explained it right and maybe a simple solution.

Thanks

Allen

-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Pelletier [mailto:michel@digicool.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:16 PM
To: Jason Cunliffe
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Where are user created help files stored?


On Thu, 10 May 2001, Jason Cunliffe wrote:

> Zope2.3.2
> Win98se/Redhat6.2
> 
> I am upgrading the READMEs for a simple Zope Product.
> I clicked through the ZMI /Control_Panel/Products/ to add some help files.
> Very nice :-) An example where TTW simple editing really makes sense.
> 
> I added two help pages for: 'install' and 'use' easily called like this:
> http://jasonic/Control_Panel/Products/BSDObject/Help/use
> 
> Then I uploaded my Product folder to remote Linux setup.
> Works fine but my help files are not there :/

Creating help topics through the web is really only meant for associating
them with ZClasses (you know, the little 'help' pull down box next to
ZClass views)

> The principle seems obvious to me -help files belong in each Products own
> folder.

Yep.

> Where are the help files kept?

In a directory in your product named 'help'.  .html, .txt, and .stx files
can be created there, as well as any images you want.  Help topics are
associated with object views in your objects 'manage_options'.  See just
about any core Zope product for an example.

> Various searches show lots of other help folders but not for my product.
> Am I doing something wrong or is the workflow for this not yet well
> developed?

http://www.zope.org/DocProjects/zope_product

-Michel


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From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May 11 13:04:52 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:04:52 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: my Method to stop
 zope dead:
References: <00bb01c0d9f8$6afc2480$fce3ccc1@asgard.esrin.esa.it> <3AFBB48B.8EF9584@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3AFBD564.99F42645@digicool.com>

Chris Withers wrote:
> 
> Gilles Lavaux wrote:
> >
> > I am personally thinking that ONE of the problem is that there is no
> >   time-out on the Zserver socket, I think that if for some reason a request
> >   get stuck, the thread is never released. If you use all the thread pool,
> >   your server doesn't reply anymore.
> 
> I'd second that...

There evidently already is a timeout (according to Jim).  I think it's
set to 30 minutes.  I'm not sure where it is.  It's possible it needs to
be lowered.

> ChrisM: I cc'ed you on this because I have a hunch that it's something along
> these lines that's causing the hangs I mentioned on zope-dev.
> That said, would the python process usage drop down to nothing in the above
> scenario?

No... at least I don't think so...  if you have a long-running method,
and some joker reloads that method 5 times (because they think it'll
speed things up), it will chew up five threads, and whatever processing
is happening will be happening five times.  It's likely that the Python
process would be working hard in this scenario... unless of course the
method was long-running because it was IO-bound instead of CPU-bound...
did requestprofiler turn anything up for you?


From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May 11 13:13:29 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:13:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: my Method to
 stop  zope dead:
In-Reply-To: <3AFBD564.99F42645@digicool.com>
References: <3AFBD564.99F42645@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <17765962.989590409@BUZZER>

Hi Chrises ;),

as far I can see from code, in http_server.py
there is code to clean up zombies after 30 mins
timeout but only on channel creation time.
If all threads are eaten up within 30 mins
there is no chance to initialize a new one and
so no chance to do the cleanup.

May be a maintenance-thread will help a bit?

Ok, this does not help on the python thread switcher
get stuck on external c functions problem.

Regards
Tino

--On Freitag, 11. Mai 2001 08:04 -0400 Chris McDonough 
<chrism@digicool.com> wrote:

> Chris Withers wrote:
>>
>> Gilles Lavaux wrote:
>> >
>> > I am personally thinking that ONE of the problem is that there is no
>> >   time-out on the Zserver socket, I think that if for some reason a
>> >   request get stuck, the thread is never released. If you use all the
>> >   thread pool, your server doesn't reply anymore.
>>
>> I'd second that...
>
> There evidently already is a timeout (according to Jim).  I think it's
> set to 30 minutes.  I'm not sure where it is.  It's possible it needs to
> be lowered.
>
>> ChrisM: I cc'ed you on this because I have a hunch that it's something
>> along these lines that's causing the hangs I mentioned on zope-dev.
>> That said, would the python process usage drop down to nothing in the
>> above scenario?
>
> No... at least I don't think so...  if you have a long-running method,
> and some joker reloads that method 5 times (because they think it'll
> speed things up), it will chew up five threads, and whatever processing
> is happening will be happening five times.  It's likely that the Python
> process would be working hard in this scenario... unless of course the
> method was long-running because it was IO-bound instead of CPU-bound...
> did requestprofiler turn anything up for you?
>
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From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May 11 13:28:08 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:28:08 -0400
Subject: [Zope] user roles in standard_error_message
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010511161806.00a5c7c8@getmail.adair.net>
Message-ID: <3AFBDAD8.381738CE@digicool.com>

Hi Danny,

I think what you're running into is the fact that if a Zope method
requires no authorization (as per the permission settings of the
method), the security machinery shortcuts and doesn't try to
authenticate.  The user executing the method is always considered to be
the "anonymous user".

One way to fix this would be to add a different standard_error_message
to the folder which contains the members-only area than the one that is
in the root.

Danny William Adair wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> While customizing my standard_error_message, I ran into a little problem:
> Someone with the role "Member" is logged in and tries to access a resource
> that does not exist. Same could happen to someone who doesn't have that
> role (Anonymous). Now I have two different style sheets for members and
> non-members: A member might click on a broken link from within the
> members-only area (having a... pink background), the anonymous user clicked
> the same broken link from a publicly accessible area of the site (having
> a... silver background). I would like to keep the different background
> colors when showing my error message so I put a
> 
> <dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_role('Member')">
> <dtml-var "members_css">
> <dtml-else>
> <dtml-var "public_css">
> </dtml-if>
> 
> in the head section of standard_error_message (these *_css are ZStyleSheets)
> My problem is, that it's always the public_css that will show up.
> 
> So I checked with
> 
> <dtml-var "AUTHENTICATED_USER.getRoles()">
> 
> in both the members area and standard_error_message. To my surprise the
> member role was gone:
> 
> In the members area getRoles() returned
> ('Member',)
> 
> while in standard_error_message ( _.str(error_type)=='NotFound' ) it returned
> ('Anonymous',)
> 
> btw, the role is not really "lost", I can go back to the members area and
> click through members-only pages without problems.
> 
> What's happening?
> This looks like buggy, naughty misbehavior :-), doesn't it?
> 
> tia,
> Danny
> 
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From zope@thewebsons.com  Fri May 11 13:12:39 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 05:12:39 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: my Method
 to stop zope dead:
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c0d9f8$6afc2480$fce3ccc1@asgard.esrin.esa.it>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010511051000.00a24150@thewebsons.com>

At 10:57 AM 5/11/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>Hello
>
>This thread is going around since several years now (and zope version).
>I am aware of this problem because I encounter it since zope 0.9.xxx (or was
>   it 1.0.xx??) :-); and I would love to have a solution...
>I only use zope basic functionality: Zserver + one postgreSQL adapter
>   (Zpopyda at this time) and use some external methods , also some mailhost
>   object. No Zclass or fancy products.
>
>I am personally thinking that ONE of the problem is that there is no
>   time-out on the Zserver socket, I think that if for some reason a request
>   get stuck, the thread is never released. If you use all the thread pool,
>   your server doesn't reply anymore.

Would this cause the server to quit, as if I had entered the command 
./stop? Also, I could write a cron script that checks to see if Zope is 
alive and if not re-starts it, and I could run that script every minute if 
I wanted to, but that seems like a waste of resources and just plain silly. 
Any better ideas?
BenO



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Fri May 11 13:38:28 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:38:28 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <20010511134235.B6143@kursk.kassube.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105111637440.2448-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Fri, 11 May 2001, Nils Kassube wrote:
> > And by what means you suggested to sort?
>
> By recipient (= To and Cc header) or do what I do and use the
> List-Id header. My procmail recipe:
>
> --cut--
> :0:
> * ^List-Id: .*zope.zope.org
> in.zope
> --cut--

   I want to put zope- and zope-announce lists into one folder, and
zope-dev into another. Those [Zope] et al help me much.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From lists@kassube.de  Fri May 11 13:44:07 2001
From: lists@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:44:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] External method default arg weirdness
In-Reply-To: <15097.41547.405033.520761@lindm.dm>; from dieter@handshake.de on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 10:02:19PM +0200
References: <15096.16266.317370.302060@lindm.dm> <3AF98B27.788D2D61@yahoo.com> <15097.41547.405033.520761@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <20010511144407.C6143@kursk.kassube.de>

* Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de> [2001-05-09 22:02]:
 
>   This magic works only, if the method is called with
>   precisely one parameter less then the required
>   arguments. It breaks very likely, when there are
>   default parameters. In this case, you need to pass
>   the "self" parameter explicitly and can not count on
>   the magic.

Nice. So http://www.zope.org/Documentation/How-To/ExternalMethods
is wrong in claiming that

--cut--
Argument semantics for External Methods are identical to those for
normal Python methods. You can define External Methods with default or
keyword arguments just as you can in Python.
--cut--

*sigh* Is there any decent, up-to-date information about these
hidden gotchas in Zope? 

Cheers,
Nils


From sbaline@excite.com  Fri May 11 13:44:49 2001
From: sbaline@excite.com (Sebal)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 05:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Zcatalog query
Message-ID: <988883.989585089529.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com>

I have 2 dtml method in my Catalog folder :
 
-----search_html----
<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<form action="report" method="get">
<h2><dtml-var document_title></h2>
Enter query parameters:<br><table>
<tr><th>Numero doc</th>
    <td><input name="numero_doc"
               width=30 value=""></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan=2 align=center>
<input type="SUBMIT" name="SUBMIT" value="Submit Query">
</td></tr>
</table>
</form>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>
--------------------
and 
-----report_html----
<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-in Catalog size=50 start=query_start>
      <table border>
        <tr>
          <th>Title</th>
          <th>Meta type</th>
          <th>Id</th>
          <th>Summary</th>
          <th>Bobobase modification time</th>
          <th>Data record id </th>
        </tr>
       </table>
<dtml-else>
  There was no data matching this <dtml-var title_or_id> query.
</dtml-in>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>
------------------

<dtml-in Catalog size=50 start=query_start> is called in the context of
"numero_doc". I'd like to know if it's possible to create a context for this
query without passing by a form/submit.
I thought to use <dtml-with> or <dtml-in> but I don't have the right syntax.
THANX...

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From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May 11 13:52:12 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:52:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zcatalog query
References: <988883.989585089529.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com>
Message-ID: <3AFBE07C.C9DC59E7@digicool.com>

Sebal wrote:
> 
> <dtml-in Catalog size=50 start=query_start> is called in the context of
> "numero_doc". I'd like to know if it's possible to create a context for this
> query without passing by a form/submit.
> I thought to use <dtml-with> or <dtml-in> but I don't have the right syntax.
> THANX...

Hi...

<dtml-in "Catalog(numero_doc=foo)">
   ...
</dtml-in>


From poehnlsn@iis.fhg.de  Fri May 11 13:57:48 2001
From: poehnlsn@iis.fhg.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_P=F6hnlein?=)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:57:48 +0200
Subject: [Zope] MySQL Request delivers wrong format
Message-ID: <003901c0da19$fb0329e0$0200000a@iis>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C0DA2A.BE599F40
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I've a problem concerning a MySQL request.

When I request a data from the type Int I don't get as result just the =
fihure, like e.g. 1, 2, 3, ......
but instead of that 1 L, 2 L ,.....

It must be a problem of the Zope Version, or the ZMySQL Adaper, because =
an older version of both works quite well, with the same MySQL Database.

Does anybody know about the problem.

Many thanks in advance,

Stefan

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	charset="iso-8859-1"
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've a problem concerning a MySQL=20
request.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I request a data from the type Int =
I don't get=20
as result just the fihure, like e.g. 1, 2, 3, ......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>but instead of that 1 L, 2 L =
,.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It must be a problem of the Zope =
Version, or the=20
ZMySQL Adaper, because an older version of both works quite well, with =
the same=20
MySQL Database.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Does anybody know about the =
problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many thanks&nbsp;in =
advance,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Stefan</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From alet@unice.fr  Fri May 11 14:17:22 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:17:22 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.7
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010511145926.31635C-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi,

you can download ZShell 0.7 from 

	http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell

ZShell is an external Zope method which allows you to
manipulate the ZODB using standard unix shell's commands
from within Zope's Management Interface in your web browser.

It's a very powerful tool which can possibly destroy your
ZODB's contents when not used correctly: You've been warned.

Actually no security assertion is made in some methods, which
are: restart, shutdown, lrole and pack. Other methods will
work or exit with a message, depending on your current privileges.

Actually 47 commands similar to that of a standard Unix shell are
recognized (only 38 Work, the last 9 are only skeletons, see below)

New features:

- Command mkuf added.

- Skeleton for commands added:
	suckfs, find, locate, replace, grep, passwd,
        domains, roles, history
  Just for people to know what will happen one day ;-)

- Some code commented out in the hope to finally solve
  the problem many have encountered (except me !)

- Commands that don't need shell expansion mechanism
  don't use it anymore.

- A bug when using a zshell.css stylesheet was corrected.

- about command output changed.

Please report any problem you may encounter because I think the bug many
encountered is now closed thanks to Godefroid Chapelle, but I really want
to be sure to reactivate some other parts I've deactivated temporarily.

Thanks in advance.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr



From Klaus Herrmann <klaus.herrmann@goelz.com>  Fri May 11 16:20:07 2001
From: Klaus Herrmann <klaus.herrmann@goelz.com> (Klaus Herrmann)
Date: 11 May 2001 15:20:07 CEST
Subject: [Zope] addtional property in dtml-tree?
Message-ID: <200105111322.f4BDMfo94245@mail.goelz.com>

Hi!

I have the following problem: 
i have a dtml-tree listing the directory structure. but i want to be able to
define a property called "hidden" (bool) on folders. these hidden folders
mustn't appear in the tree. any ideas how this could be done? 

thank in advance!

regards,
	Klaus


-- 
Klaus Herrmann <klaus.herrmann@goelz.com>
Goelz & Schwarz GmbH, Munich
www.goelz.com
phone:+49 - (0)89 - 544 67 0 22
fax: +49 - (0)89 - 544 67 0 10



From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May 11 14:25:35 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:25:35 +0200
Subject: zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started:
 my Method  to stop zope dead:
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010511051000.00a24150@thewebsons.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010511051000.00a24150@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <4063761.989594735@BUZZER>

Hi Ben,

no this is completly different to your problem.
Dont know why these threads are intermixed.

The problem below is zope not responding to requests
but still beeing running.

Your problem is different:

zope stops running instantly.

So I expect something in your environment and/or python
version. Do you have a plain install or did you install
additionally products with zope?

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Freitag, 11. Mai 2001 05:12 -0700 Ben Ocean <zope@thewebsons.com> 
wrote:

> At 10:57 AM 5/11/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> This thread is going around since several years now (and zope version).
>> I am aware of this problem because I encounter it since zope 0.9.xxx (or
>> was it 1.0.xx??) :-); and I would love to have a solution...
>> I only use zope basic functionality: Zserver + one postgreSQL adapter
>>   (Zpopyda at this time) and use some external methods , also some
>>   mailhost object. No Zclass or fancy products.
>>
>> I am personally thinking that ONE of the problem is that there is no
>>   time-out on the Zserver socket, I think that if for some reason a
>>   request get stuck, the thread is never released. If you use all the
>>   thread pool, your server doesn't reply anymore.
>
> Would this cause the server to quit, as if I had entered the command
> ./stop? Also, I could write a cron script that checks to see if Zope is
> alive and if not re-starts it, and I could run that script every minute
> if  I wanted to, but that seems like a waste of resources and just plain
> silly.  Any better ideas?
> BenO
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )






From gilles.lavaux@esrin.esa.it  Fri May 11 14:33:58 2001
From: gilles.lavaux@esrin.esa.it (Gilles Lavaux)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:33:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: my Method to stop zope dead: timeoutsocket:
Message-ID: <014601c0da1f$092f25a0$fce3ccc1@asgard.esrin.esa.it>

Hello,

I have try using the timeoutsocket library, by inserting this inside the
z2.py :
  sockettimeout=60
  import timeoutsocket
  timeoutsocket.setDefaultSocketTimeout(sockettimeout)

Still get the same result: it hang. And it's probably normal.

Gilles




From tim@freepm.org  Fri May 11 14:33:26 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:33:26 -0500
Subject: [Zope] addtional property in dtml-tree?
References: <200105111322.f4BDMfo94245@mail.goelz.com>
Message-ID: <3AFBEA26.C49624EA@iswt.com>

Klaus Herrmann wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I have the following problem:
> i have a dtml-tree listing the directory structure. but i want to be able to
> define a property called "hidden" (bool) on folders. these hidden folders
> mustn't appear in the tree. any ideas how this could be done?
> 
> thank in advance!

UNTESTED, stab at it:

<dtml-tree branches_expr="objectValues(['Folder']) AND NOT
is_hidden">

HTH,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From renfro@tntech.edu  Fri May 11 15:20:28 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:20:28 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Acting As a Regular Server
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510160805.00a18950@thewebsons.com>; from zope@thewebsons.com on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:13:04PM -0700
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010510142726.00a06810@thewebsons.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010510142726.00a06810@thewebsons.com> <20010510152921.J539@blanchardsite.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010510160805.00a18950@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <20010511092028.A31045@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:13:04PM -0700, Ben Ocean wrote:

> how do I configure this in such a way that a client can click, for
> example, http://AllMyJokes.com/ and be redirected to
> http://TheWebsons.com:8080/allmyjokes/ with it being transparent to
> the client? Do I do this in the <Directory> container or in the
> <VirtualHost> container? The latter makes more sense to me, and
> hence the confusion.

Here's a stanza from my virtual host config (one Virtual Host Monster
in the root of the ZODB, and apache running with mod_rewrite):

<VirtualHost www.cae.tntech.edu>
  ServerName www.cae.tntech.edu
  DocumentRoot /var/www
  Alias /spong/rrd /var/lib/spong/rrd/www/
  Alias /spong /usr/share/spong/www/

  <IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
    RewriteEngine On
    RewriteLog "/var/log/apache/rewrite_log"
    RewriteLogLevel 1
    RewriteRule ^/local/ - [L]
    RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://ch208h.cae.tntech.edu:9673/VirtualHostBase/http/www.cae.tntech.edu:80/CAE/VirtualHostRoot/$1 [e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%1,P]
  </IfModule>
</VirtualHost>

In this case, everything on that site (with the exception of paths
beginning with /local/) is redirected to the CAE folder in the root of
my ZODB.

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com  Fri May 11 15:40:12 2001
From: jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlos_Coru=F1a?=)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:40:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Threads in ExternalMethods
Message-ID: <PKEFLGEBLGPCKNPIENBJGEJJCJAA.jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com>

Hi all,

I am now trying to create an ExternalMethod that executes a long process
(about 30 seconds) in a new thread and then this thread sends the result per
e-mail. The ExternalMethod must return inmediatly. I need this behavior in
order to not block the user while browsing.

Are there anybody that can help me?



From barry@digicool.com  Fri May 11 15:44:55 2001
From: barry@digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:44:55 -0400
Subject: [Zope] listservs, forums and Zope...
References: <FBFF1B75591DDA4DA495C4D570EF008E0723DC@mangrove.abi.org>
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101501410.2504-100000@olympus.scw.org>
 <15099.23030.881890.789580@anthem.wooz.org>
 <001901c0d9e7$82f1a080$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <15099.64231.601816.295952@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DL" =3D=3D Dario Lopez-K=E4sten <dario@ita.chalmers.se> writes:

    DL> I'd be very interested in looking into this, but I need some
    DL> hints on where to start looking. Is there a description of how
    DL> mailman works internally or is it just a question of finding
    DL> tiume to "user the source, Luke"?

Yup.
   =20
    DL> Specifically, I'd like to start by getting users from a SQL
    DL> database, and being able to dynamically changes what lists a
    DL> user belongs to.

The primary thing to realize with Mailman 2.x is that each mailing
list maintains its own membership rosters.  You might be a member of
both zope@zope.org and zodb-dev@zope.org, but there's no sharing of
your account information between those two lists.

It's likely that Mailman 2.1 will contain hooks on a per-list basis so
that an individual mailing list can get additional membership
information out of an external source.  Federating the user database
in the way you want is a Project for Mailman 3.0.

-Barry


From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May 11 15:53:01 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:53:01 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Threads in ExternalMethods
References: <PKEFLGEBLGPCKNPIENBJGEJJCJAA.jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c0da2a$13e88120$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Hi Juan... you need to either fire off a new process or a new thread.  See
the Python documentation for more info about how to do this (the threading,
thread, and os modules).

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Carlos Coruña" <jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:40 AM
Subject: [Zope] Threads in ExternalMethods


> Hi all,
>
> I am now trying to create an ExternalMethod that executes a long process
> (about 30 seconds) in a new thread and then this thread sends the result
per
> e-mail. The ExternalMethod must return inmediatly. I need this behavior in
> order to not block the user while browsing.
>
> Are there anybody that can help me?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From barry@digicool.com  Fri May 11 15:51:25 2001
From: barry@digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:51:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope] listservs, forums and Zope...
References: <FBFF1B75591DDA4DA495C4D570EF008E0723DC@mangrove.abi.org>
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105101501410.2504-100000@olympus.scw.org>
 <15099.23030.881890.789580@anthem.wooz.org>
 <3AFBAE2E.40B39EAF@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <15099.64621.575299.571654@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "CW" == Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:

    CW> What are the chances of Mailman becoming a 'Zope App'?

>From conversations with Jim, it sounds like he wants to return to the
days when it was really easy to take an arbitrary Python app, write a
bit of adapter code, and suddenly it becomes a Zope application.  In
that sense, and with some of the pluggable architecture I'm
contemplating for the future, I think it should happen.

OTOH, I don't want Mailman to be `just' a Zope app.  The balance is in
making it much easier for Zope and Mailman to be integrated without
raising the entry bar for Mailman too high for non-Zope sites.

    CW> Incidentally, on of the things I'm hoping for with Swishdot is
    CW> to make it more of a cross between a weblog and a mailing list
    CW> so I wonder if there's an opportunity for collaboration here?

Definitely!  We should probably have that conversation on
mailman-developers@python.org, or at least crosspost it.  Don't forget
about the Mailman wiki:

http://www.zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/FrontPage

-Barry


From arno.gross@consotec.de  Fri May 11 17:05:25 2001
From: arno.gross@consotec.de (Arno Gross)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:05:25 -0100
Subject: [Zope] Zcatalog query
In-Reply-To: <988883.989585089529.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com>
References: <988883.989585089529.JavaMail.imail@loosy.excite.com>
Message-ID: <01051115080400.06448@force>

I am not sure if you mean a predefined or stored query.
For this you can call:
 <dtml-in "Catalog({'numero_doc','thedoc'})" size=50 start=query_start>

For more details have a look at Chap 9 of the Zope Book.

Best regards
   Arno



On Fri, 11 May 2001, Sebal wrote:
> I have 2 dtml method in my Catalog folder :
>  
> -----search_html----
> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> <form action="report" method="get">
> <h2><dtml-var document_title></h2>
> Enter query parameters:<br><table>
> <tr><th>Numero doc</th>
>     <td><input name="numero_doc"
>                width=30 value=""></td></tr>
> <tr><td colspan=2 align=center>
> <input type="SUBMIT" name="SUBMIT" value="Submit Query">
> </td></tr>
> </table>
> </form>
> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
> --------------------
> and 
> -----report_html----
> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> <dtml-in Catalog size=50 start=query_start>
>       <table border>
>         <tr>
>           <th>Title</th>
>           <th>Meta type</th>
>           <th>Id</th>
>           <th>Summary</th>
>           <th>Bobobase modification time</th>
>           <th>Data record id </th>
>         </tr>
>        </table>
> <dtml-else>
>   There was no data matching this <dtml-var title_or_id> query.
> </dtml-in>
> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
> ------------------
> 
> <dtml-in Catalog size=50 start=query_start> is called in the context of
> "numero_doc". I'd like to know if it's possible to create a context for this
> query without passing by a form/submit.
> I thought to use <dtml-with> or <dtml-in> but I don't have the right syntax.
> THANX...
> 
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From mail@peterbe.com  Fri May 11 15:43:29 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:43:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] French language problems
Message-ID: <017e01c0da2b$49e2c0a0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

I want to "filter" the user input a bit.
If somebody submits name="éèà", in the end I want: name="eea"

So I tried this:

<pseudo atr="filling in the input name='é'">
print self.REQUEST['name'], 'é'
print self.REQUEST['name'] == 'é'
</pseudo>

This returns
'\303\251', 'é'
0

Basically, how do I compare self.REQUEST['name'] with 'é' and get true?
(assuming the name variable is set to "é". (you understand what I mean)

Any hints of the right approach?



Peter




From jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com  Fri May 11 16:06:31 2001
From: jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlos_Coru=F1a?=)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:06:31 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Threads in ExternalMethods
In-Reply-To: <00a701c0da2a$13e88120$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <PKEFLGEBLGPCKNPIENBJKEJKCJAA.jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com>

Yes, I have fired off a new thread and passed it in the contructor the se=
lf
variable. It seems to be problems in referencing other zope methods from
within the new started thread.

Here is my example, I call the listaArticulos method:

def listaArticulos(self, REQUEST, RESPONSE):

    generando =3D GenerarEnviarListaPrecios(self, REQUEST, RESPONSE)
    generando.start()
    return 1

def longProcess(context):
    # long process for example:
    return context.context.myZopeSqlMethod()

class GenerarEnviarListaPrecios(Thread):
    def __init__(self, context, REQUEST, RESPONSE):
        Thread.__init__(self)
        self.context =3D context
        self.REQUEST =3D REQUEST
        self.RESPONSE =3D RESPONSE

    def run(self):
        result =3D longProcess(self.context)
        .... mail result ....
        return



> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
> Enviado el: viernes, 11 de mayo de 2001 16:53
> Para: Juan Carlos Coru=F1a; zope@zope.org
> Asunto: Re: [Zope] Threads in ExternalMethods
>
>
> Hi Juan... you need to either fire off a new process or a new thread.  =
See
> the Python documentation for more info about how to do this (the
> threading,
> thread, and os modules).
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Juan Carlos Coru=F1a" <jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:40 AM
> Subject: [Zope] Threads in ExternalMethods
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am now trying to create an ExternalMethod that executes a long proc=
ess
> > (about 30 seconds) in a new thread and then this thread sends the res=
ult
> per
> > e-mail. The ExternalMethod must return inmediatly. I need this
> behavior in
> > order to not block the user while browsing.
> >
> > Are there anybody that can help me?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
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> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >



From magnus/Websys@websys.no  Fri May 11 16:06:52 2001
From: magnus/Websys@websys.no (magnus/Websys@websys.no)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:06:52 +0200
Subject: [Zope] xmlrpc slowness
Message-ID: <H000006800013094.0989592597.sjef.websys.no@MHS>

We're busy developing an application that uses Zope for its presentation 
layer.  To communicate with the 'business logic' Java layer, we use xml-rpc 
with Zope as the client.

It works fine, but seems to be slightly slow.  Each and every xml-rpc 
transaction takes appx. 3/10 of a second.  I have installed sgmlop, and that 
improved matters (from 7/10 of a second) - can anyone suggest how to make 
further improvements?

I haven't done any real testing, but most of the time seems to be spent on the 
Zope side, the xml-rpc handling in Java is pretty quick.

-Magnus



From lists@kassube.de  Fri May 11 14:06:59 2001
From: lists@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:06:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105111637440.2448-100000@phd.fep.ru>; from phd@phd.fep.ru on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:38:28PM +0400
References: <20010511134235.B6143@kursk.kassube.de> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105111637440.2448-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <20010511150659.A6887@kassube.de>

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:38:28PM +0400, Oleg Broytmann wrote:
 
>    I want to put zope- and zope-announce lists into one folder, and
> zope-dev into another. Those [Zope] et al help me much.

This is very easy with a simple addition to the regular expression. You simply
look for an optional part (-announce).  I don't understand how this could be
easier with text in the subject header. It looks like the same amount of work,
except that [Zope] in every subject line wastes precious screen space. 

:-)

Cheers,
Nils


From augusto@artlover.com  Fri May 11 16:18:37 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:18:37 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
Message-ID: <3AFC02CD.1DA863B9@artlover.com>

I need to retrieve a property nested at a document placed within folders whose
names start with numbers. Like this:

<dtml-var "folder1.2000.12345.dtmldoc.this_property">

This sintax is invalid because there are object names that are starting with
numbers, within the Python expression. 

Is there a workaround? (I've tried the usual ones, unsuccessfully).



Ausum


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Fri May 11 16:19:46 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:19:46 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <20010511150659.A6887@kassube.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105111918330.2448-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Fri, 11 May 2001, Nils Kassube wrote:
> This is very easy with a simple addition to the regular expression. You simply
> look for an optional part (-announce).  I don't understand how this could be
> easier with text in the subject header. It looks like the same amount of work,
> except that [Zope] in every subject line wastes precious screen space.

   I didn't say it is impossible at all. I said it is possible, but [Zope]
in subject makes it simpler. I don't consider this as "unneccessary
redundant and ugly" :)

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com  Fri May 11 16:40:18 2001
From: tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:40:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope] xmlrpc slowness
In-Reply-To: <H000006800013094.0989592597.sjef.websys.no@MHS>
References: <H000006800013094.0989592597.sjef.websys.no@MHS>
Message-ID: <9r1oft4tpc26khavtgu0v5lrf2p6rcir51@4ax.com>

On Fri, 11 May 2001 17:06:52 +0200, magnus/Websys@websys.no wrote:

>We're busy developing an application that uses Zope for its presentation=
=20
>layer.  To communicate with the 'business logic' Java layer, we use =
xml-rpc=20
>with Zope as the client.

How much data are you marshalling?=20

>It works fine, but seems to be slightly slow.  Each and every xml-rpc=20
>transaction takes appx. 3/10 of a second.  I have installed sgmlop, and =
that=20
>improved matters (from 7/10 of a second) - can anyone suggest how to =
make=20
>further improvements?

Ive been using xmlrpc with parameters and return values that involve
lists with 1000's of elements - 300ms is not unreasonable. If you are
marshalling smaller things then it should be faster.

>I haven't done any real testing,

Do some. Zope's profiler should give you the answers you need.



Toby Dickenson
tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 11 16:49:56 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:49:56 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B2FF@desi2>

use:

<dtml-var expr="folder1._['2000']...

etc to reference an object with an id; should work, though I think this only
works in an expr within dtml-var and not name=...

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Ausum [mailto:augusto@artlover.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:19 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers


I need to retrieve a property nested at a document placed within folders
whose
names start with numbers. Like this:

<dtml-var "folder1.2000.12345.dtmldoc.this_property">

This sintax is invalid because there are object names that are starting with
numbers, within the Python expression. 

Is there a workaround? (I've tried the usual ones, unsuccessfully).



Ausum

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From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Fri May 11 16:53:22 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:53:22 +0100
Subject: [Zope] xmlrpc slowness
References: <H000006800013094.0989592597.sjef.websys.no@MHS> <9r1oft4tpc26khavtgu0v5lrf2p6rcir51@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <020e01c0da32$822051b0$5c773fc1@media1>

There is another Python based XMLRPC library available on sourceforge, also
linked on xmlrpc.com.

This library is written in C and the author says that it is some magnitude
faster than xmlrpclib.

The catch?

It won't work with zope without some manipulation, cos the author hardcoded
the case on the HTTP headers, afaik this is not strictly kosher as the
headers can be any case (UPPER, lower or Mixed).

Might be worth a look though.

Phil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Dickenson" <tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk>
To: <magnus/Websys@websys.no>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] xmlrpc slowness


> On Fri, 11 May 2001 17:06:52 +0200, magnus/Websys@websys.no wrote:
>
> >We're busy developing an application that uses Zope for its presentation
> >layer.  To communicate with the 'business logic' Java layer, we use
xml-rpc
> >with Zope as the client.
>
> How much data are you marshalling?
>
> >It works fine, but seems to be slightly slow.  Each and every xml-rpc
> >transaction takes appx. 3/10 of a second.  I have installed sgmlop, and
that
> >improved matters (from 7/10 of a second) - can anyone suggest how to make
> >further improvements?
>
> Ive been using xmlrpc with parameters and return values that involve
> lists with 1000's of elements - 300ms is not unreasonable. If you are
> marshalling smaller things then it should be faster.
>
> >I haven't done any real testing,
>
> Do some. Zope's profiler should give you the answers you need.
>
>
>
> Toby Dickenson
> tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
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>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 11 17:05:10 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:05:10 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B300@desi2>

Ok.  Sorry to jump to quickly on that one; I am partially wrong.  

<dmtl-var expr="_['2000'].id"> will work; so will <dtml-in
expr="_['2000'].objectValues()"> (returns a sequence).

However, in the case of something like this:
<dtml-var expr="_['5000']._['5100'].id">

Zope has some security/permissions issue with that (when I try to run a
method with code like this as a manager, I get a basic auth box?).  I assume
that the workaround would have to be using dtml-with one namespace at a
time...

That is, unless someone has a better way to do this.

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Upton, Sean 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:50 AM
To: 'Ausum'; zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers


use:

<dtml-var expr="folder1._['2000']...

etc to reference an object with an id; should work, though I think this only
works in an expr within dtml-var and not name=...

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Ausum [mailto:augusto@artlover.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:19 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers


I need to retrieve a property nested at a document placed within folders
whose
names start with numbers. Like this:

<dtml-var "folder1.2000.12345.dtmldoc.this_property">

This sintax is invalid because there are object names that are starting with
numbers, within the Python expression. 

Is there a workaround? (I've tried the usual ones, unsuccessfully).



Ausum

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From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Fri May 11 17:07:51 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:07:51 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [REQ] Squishdot 0.3.2
Message-ID: <06de01c0da34$8924d1a0$0301a8c0@provence>

C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.

------=_NextPart_000_06DB_01C0DA45.4B6CBD30
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I need to migrate/upgrade an old Zope/Squishdot to a new server with the =
latest versions of Zope Squishdot.
I failed importing directly the posts. So I need to have the Old =
Squishdot 0.3.2 an migrate progressively to the latest version.

1/ Has somebody got aroadmap for doing this safely.
2/ Who can send me a tgz of Squishdot 0.3.2. (Can't find it at squishdot =
or zope sites!)

Thanks in advance !

Gilles

------=_NextPart_000_06DB_01C0DA45.4B6CBD30
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3018.900" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I need to migrate/upgrade an old =
Zope/Squishdot to=20
a new server with the latest versions of Zope Squishdot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I failed importing directly the posts. =
So I need to=20
have the Old Squishdot 0.3.2 an migrate progressively to the latest=20
version.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1/ Has somebody got aroadmap for doing =
this=20
safely.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2/ Who can send me a tgz of Squishdot =
0.3.2. (Can't=20
find it at squishdot or zope sites!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks in advance !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gilles</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_06DB_01C0DA45.4B6CBD30--



From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Fri May 11 17:15:46 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:15:46 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <ufae4k168r.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>; from ftelist@lightwerk.com on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:21:08PM +0200
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105071502130.31531-100000@localhost.localdomain> <871ypy9pfg.fsf@joyful.com> <87snie86iz.fsf@joyful.com> <ufae4k168r.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>
Message-ID: <20010511091546.U539@blanchardsite.com>

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:21:08PM +0200, Frank Tegtmeyer wrote:
> Michel Pelletier <michel@digicool.com> writes:
> 
> > everyone else are welcome to continue to discuss it and you don't need my
> > consent or permission to do so.
> 
> My opinion: Putting the list name into the subject is totally
> redundant and ugly.
> 
well, i use mutt in order to handle the huge volume of emails.
but i pull mail from my pop3 server into a single folder without
presorting via procmail as many others do. i like to be able to
scan the subjects rapidly all in one folder and the only way to
quickly distinguish which list a particular message pertains to
is with those _ugly_ _outdated_ _useless_ subject line
identifiers. it would make my life _much_ less productive if they
went away...

frankly, i would think other issues of subject line 'abuse' would
be much more relevant than complaining about something that
actually _helps_ even a few people.

just another $0.02, er well, maybe $0.03...

cheers,

> Everybody who gets mailinglists will sort them into folders (at
> least). A mail client that is only able to filter for subjects is
> broken and shouldn't be used.
> 
> There are many good mail clients out there, even for the Windows and
> Macintosh world, so there is nearly no excuse not to use them. Rigid
> corporate environments are out of course. 
> 


-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>  Fri May 11 17:05:07 2001
From: Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net> (Oliver Bleutgen)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:05:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
Message-ID: <E14yFaB-0004fg-00@mail.python.org>

> Ok.  Sorry to jump to quickly on that one; I am partially wrong.

> <dmtl-var expr="_['2000'].id"> will work; so will <dtml-in
> expr="_['2000'].objectValues()"> (returns a sequence).

> However, in the case of something like this:
> <dtml-var expr="_['5000']._['5100'].id">
try

<dtml-var expr="_['5000']['5100'].id">



cheers,
oliver




From laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu  Fri May 11 17:28:29 2001
From: laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu (Laurie Nason)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:28:29 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zserver shutting down - Broken Pipe
Message-ID: <NFBBIFLELKMLLIEKAAOKCEDHCCAA.laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu>

Just over the last couple of days I have been having the same problem with
one of our Zope development servers. It starts up fine, then after a while
(undetermined as of the moment)the ZServer will just hang (error messages
etc. below).
I have created/am still creating my own ZClass on this server if that has
anything to do with it. I haven't installed any external products (yet).

Here are the stats on the server:
	Athlon 1200 512MB Linux Mandrake 7.2
	Zope Version : 	Zope 2.3.2 (binary release, python 1.5.2, linux2-x86)
	Python Version: 	1.5.2 (#10, Dec 6 1999, 12:16:27) [GCC 2.7.2.3]
	System Platform:	linux2

Here is the STUPID_LOG_FILE output that occurred before the crash:
	2001-05-11T16:12:59 ERROR(200) ZServer uncaptured python exception,
	closing channel <select-trigger (pipe) at 81a8178>
	(exceptions.OSError:[Errno 11] Resource temporarily unavailable
	[/var/zope/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|poll|83]

[/var/zope/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|handle_read_even
t|335]

[/var/zope/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/medusa/select_trigger.py|handle_rea
d|77]
	[/var/zope/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|recv|287]
	[/var/zope/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|recv|475])

The output in the shell that started zope reads (this is repeated a few
times before the final crash):
	Unhandled exception in thread:
	Traceback (innermost last):
	  File
	"/var/zope/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/PubCore/ZServerPublisher.py",
	line 97, in __init__
	    response._finish()
	  File "/var/zope/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/HTTPResponse.py", line
	281, in _finish
	    stdout.close()
	  File "/var/zope/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/HTTPResponse.py", line
	338, in close
	    Wakeup()
	  File
	"/var/zope/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/medusa/select_trigger.py", line
	74, in pull_trigger
	    os.write (self.trigger, 'x')
	OSError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

Anybody come across this before???
Laurie



Laurie Nason
Dept. of Biochemistry - N420
Baylor College of Medicine
Houston. TX77030



From kevinsl@yahoo.com  Fri May 11 17:33:09 2001
From: kevinsl@yahoo.com (Kevin L)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:33:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] DTML - change document title?
Message-ID: <20010511163309.31374.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com>

I know this is probably really easy but I can't find it anywhere
in the docs.

I have a dtml document that needs to have a different title
every time (based on a database call). How can I set the title
attribute from dtml?

thanks much

-Kevin

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From kevinsl@yahoo.com  Fri May 11 18:02:20 2001
From: kevinsl@yahoo.com (Kevin L)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:02:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] problem selecting integers from mysql
Message-ID: <20010511170220.30137.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I have a Z SQL Method and one of the columns it selects is of
type "int(11) unsigned". But when I test the query I get the
number plus an "L" appended to the end. For example I get 1L,
32L, 6533L. I assume the L means longint but does anyone know
how to get rid of it?

thanks much

-Kevin

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From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 11 18:16:51 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:16:51 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Disappearing images in python product...
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B301@desi2>

I have a class in a python product that defines the following:
	manage_admain = Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/editForm', globals())
	editad_image = Globals.ImageFile('images/editad.png', globals())

Within dtml/editForm.dtml:
	<dtml-var editad_image>

I used this to display an image within a managment interface page I had set
up.

The image won't load (it is missing).  This used to work, but at some point
recently became broken.  I'm not sure why; I can't pinpoint exactly when it
happened.  At some point, I changed the meta-type of this class, but I think
that is all I have really done...

Thoughts?

Sean

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From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 11 18:18:14 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:18:14 -0700
Subject: [Zope] problem selecting integers from mysql
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B302@desi2>

put int() around your results; it will convert a longint to an integer.

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin L [mailto:kevinsl@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:02 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] problem selecting integers from mysql


Hi,

I have a Z SQL Method and one of the columns it selects is of
type "int(11) unsigned". But when I test the query I get the
number plus an "L" appended to the end. For example I get 1L,
32L, 6533L. I assume the L means longint but does anyone know
how to get rid of it?

thanks much

-Kevin

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From hank@broughton-sys.com  Fri May 11 18:25:22 2001
From: hank@broughton-sys.com (Hank Bowry)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:25:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] the mysterious shutdown thing
Message-ID: <702380C7ED26D511B91500805F149EE9165E80@mail.broughton-sys.com>

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>  concerning this thread... 
> 
> I'm experiencing very, very similar symptoms.  I have zope installed with 
> the newest src 2.3.2 (i think) running with apache and pcgi and have been 
> having periodic shutdowns of zope.....I've been tailing the logs for
apache 
> and zope, and the only thing is after zope goes down, apache logs that it 
> can't be reached....restarting zope works fine, and everything marches 
> on.....unfortunately this can't be the case after our projected june 1st 
> lauch of the a website.....I'd love to find the solution to this problem,
or 
> any hints about where or what to log to even identify the cause. 
> 
> we are running zope 2.3.2 in /opt/zope with apache from the SuSE 7.1 
> distribution....I've loaded the mod_python, and php, and backhand and some

> others, but I think only the pcgi and python have anything to do with 
> zope... 
> 
> on top of the basic installation, 
> I have installed Zcatalog, tinytables plus, squishdot, the zope hotfix,
and 
> yihaw 
> 
> somewhere in one of these installations was added another python directory

> (and I think this contributes to some or our problems, but I don't know
how 
> to prove it or change it) now, under zope we have a python (which is
version 
> 2) and a python 1.5.2 directory .....I'm not sure which piece may be
calling 
> which version, and which one maybe causing the shutdown..... 
> 
> any enlightenment will be greatly greatly greatly appreciated. 
> 
> thanks, 
> Hank Bowry 
> hank@broughton-sys.com 
> 
> Today's Topics: 
> 
>    1. zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: 
>        my Method  to stop zope dead: (Tino Wildenhain) 
>    2. Re: ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: my Method to stop zope 
> dead: timeoutsocket: (Gilles Lavaux) 
>    
> Message: 1 
> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:25:35 +0200 
> From: Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de> 
> To: Ben Ocean <zope@thewebsons.com>, 
>       Gilles Lavaux <gilles.lavaux@esrin.esa.it> 
> Cc: zope@zope.org 
> Subject: zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually 
> Re-Started: 
>  my Method  to stop zope dead: 
> 
> Hi Ben, 
> 
> no this is completly different to your problem. 
> Dont know why these threads are intermixed. 
> 
> The problem below is zope not responding to requests 
> but still beeing running. 
> 
> Your problem is different: 
> 
> zope stops running instantly. 
> 
> So I expect something in your environment and/or python 
> version. Do you have a plain install or did you install 
> additionally products with zope? 
> 
> Regards 
> Tino Wildenhain 
> 

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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I'm experiencing very, very similar =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; the newest src 2.3.2 (i think) running with =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; having periodic shutdowns of zope.....I've been =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; and zope, and the only thing is after zope goes =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; can't be reached....restarting zope works fine, =
and everything marches </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; on.....unfortunately this can't be the case =
after our projected june 1st </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; lauch of the a website.....I'd love to find the =
solution to this problem, or </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; any hints about where or what to log to even =
identify the cause. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; we are running zope 2.3.2 in /opt/zope with =
apache from the SuSE 7.1 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; distribution....I've loaded the mod_python, and =
php, and backhand and some </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; others, but I think only the pcgi and python =
have anything to do with </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; zope... </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; on top of the basic installation, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I have installed Zcatalog, tinytables plus, =
squishdot, the zope hotfix, and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; yihaw </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; somewhere in one of these installations was =
added another python directory </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; (and I think this contributes to some or our =
problems, but I don't know how </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; to prove it or change it) now, under zope we =
have a python (which is version </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; 2) and a python 1.5.2 directory .....I'm not =
sure which piece may be calling </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; which version, and which one maybe causing the =
shutdown..... </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; any enlightenment will be greatly greatly =
greatly appreciated. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; thanks, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Hank Bowry </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; hank@broughton-sys.com </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Today's Topics: </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] =
ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; my =
Method&nbsp; to stop zope dead: (Tino Wildenhain) </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2. Re: ZServer Must Be =
Continually Re-Started: my Method to stop zope </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; dead: timeoutsocket: (Gilles Lavaux) </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Message: 1 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:25:35 +0200 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: Tino Wildenhain =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: Ben Ocean &lt;zope@thewebsons.com&gt;, =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Gilles =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Cc: zope@zope.org </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must =
Be Continually </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Re-Started: </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp; my Method&nbsp; to stop zope dead: =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Hi Ben, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; no this is completly different to your problem. =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Dont know why these threads are intermixed. =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; The problem below is zope not responding to =
requests </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; but still beeing running. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Your problem is different: </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; zope stops running instantly. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; So I expect something in your environment =
and/or python </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; version. Do you have a plain install or did you =
install </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; additionally products with zope? </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Regards </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Tino Wildenhain </FONT>
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From kilmarac@klingonempire.com  Fri May 11 18:29:13 2001
From: kilmarac@klingonempire.com (DragonWolf Cmdr. Kilmarac)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:29:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] help
Message-ID: <20010511172913.42029.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a problem, I upgraded to the most recent
version of Zope.  Now when I try to approve a post in
Squishdot, I get this. 

Zope has encountered an error while publishing this
resource.

Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: catalog_object



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Troubleshooting Suggestions

The URL may be incorrect. 
The parameters passed to this resource may be
incorrect. 
A resource that this resource relies on may be
encountering an error. 
For more detailed information about the error, please
refer to the HTML source for this page. 

If the error persists please contact the site
maintainer. Thank you for your patience. 
 



Traceback (innermost last):
  File /home/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 223, in publish_module
  File /home/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 187, in publish
  File /home/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line
221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /home/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 171, in publish
  File /home/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py,
line 160, in mapply
    (Object: manage_review)
  File /home/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 112, in call_object
    (Object: manage_review)
  File
/home/zope/lib/python/Products/Squishdot/SquishSite.py,
line 870, in manage_review
    (Object: Traversable)
  File
/home/zope/lib/python/Products/Squishdot/SquishSite.py,
line 906, in set_reviewed
    (Object: Traversable)
  File
/home/zope/lib/python/Products/Squishdot/Posting.py,
line 80, in index
AttributeError: (see above)




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From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Fri May 11 18:51:49 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:51:49 +0800
Subject: [Zope] the mysterious shutdown thing
In-Reply-To: <702380C7ED26D511B91500805F149EE9165E80@mail.broughton-sys.com>
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the mysterious shutdown thingi have been experiencing that too.
but i noticed that the zope process is slowly increasing its memory
consumption that my 500MB swap file was turned to zero. i therefore
increased the swapfile to 1GB. it hasn't stopped ever since. based on our
visitor access, our swap file reached 800MB. oh by the way, our servers have
128MB ram. that could also be it.

we also have the servers in zeo. the main server hasn't stopped running with
a 400MB swap file since the client servers with 1GB swap files are the ones
taking the load.

good luck!

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

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  -----Original Message-----
  From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Hank
Bowry
  Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 1:25 AM
  To: 'zope@zope.org'
  Subject: [Zope] the mysterious shutdown thing


  >  concerning this thread...
  >
  > I'm experiencing very, very similar symptoms.  I have zope installed
with
  > the newest src 2.3.2 (i think) running with apache and pcgi and have
been
  > having periodic shutdowns of zope.....I've been tailing the logs for
apache
  > and zope, and the only thing is after zope goes down, apache logs that
it
  > can't be reached....restarting zope works fine, and everything marches
  > on.....unfortunately this can't be the case after our projected june 1st
  > lauch of the a website.....I'd love to find the solution to this
problem, or
  > any hints about where or what to log to even identify the cause.
  >
  > we are running zope 2.3.2 in /opt/zope with apache from the SuSE 7.1
  > distribution....I've loaded the mod_python, and php, and backhand and
some
  > others, but I think only the pcgi and python have anything to do with
  > zope...
  >
  > on top of the basic installation,
  > I have installed Zcatalog, tinytables plus, squishdot, the zope hotfix,
and
  > yihaw
  >
  > somewhere in one of these installations was added another python
directory
  > (and I think this contributes to some or our problems, but I don't know
how
  > to prove it or change it) now, under zope we have a python (which is
version
  > 2) and a python 1.5.2 directory .....I'm not sure which piece may be
calling
  > which version, and which one maybe causing the shutdown.....
  >
  > any enlightenment will be greatly greatly greatly appreciated.
  >
  > thanks,
  > Hank Bowry
  > hank@broughton-sys.com
  >
  > Today's Topics:
  >
  >    1. zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started:
  >        my Method  to stop zope dead: (Tino Wildenhain)
  >    2. Re: ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: my Method to stop zope
  > dead: timeoutsocket: (Gilles Lavaux)
  >
  > Message: 1
  > Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:25:35 +0200
  > From: Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de>
  > To: Ben Ocean <zope@thewebsons.com>,
  >       Gilles Lavaux <gilles.lavaux@esrin.esa.it>
  > Cc: zope@zope.org
  > Subject: zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually
  > Re-Started:
  >  my Method  to stop zope dead:
  >
  > Hi Ben,
  >
  > no this is completly different to your problem.
  > Dont know why these threads are intermixed.
  >
  > The problem below is zope not responding to requests
  > but still beeing running.
  >
  > Your problem is different:
  >
  > zope stops running instantly.
  >
  > So I expect something in your environment and/or python
  > version. Do you have a plain install or did you install
  > additionally products with zope?
  >
  > Regards
  > Tino Wildenhain
  >


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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
  <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
zope-admin@zope.org=20
  [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Hank =
Bowry<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
  Saturday, May 12, 2001 1:25 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  'zope@zope.org'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Zope] the mysterious shutdown=20
  thing<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>&gt;&nbsp; concerning this thread... =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; I'm experiencing very, =
very similar=20
  symptoms.&nbsp; I have zope installed with </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt; the=20
  newest src 2.3.2 (i think) running with apache and pcgi and have been=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; having periodic shutdowns of =
zope.....I've been=20
  tailing the logs for apache </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; and zope, =
and the=20
  only thing is after zope goes down, apache logs that it =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; can't be reached....restarting zope works fine, and =
everything=20
  marches </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; on.....unfortunately this can't =
be the=20
  case after our projected june 1st </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; lauch =
of the a=20
  website.....I'd love to find the solution to this problem, or =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; any hints about where or what to log to even identify =
the cause.=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; we are =
running zope=20
  2.3.2 in /opt/zope with apache from the SuSE 7.1 </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  distribution....I've loaded the mod_python, and php, and backhand and =
some=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; others, but I think only the pcgi and =
python have=20
  anything to do with </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; zope... =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; on top of the basic =
installation,=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; I have installed Zcatalog, tinytables =
plus,=20
  squishdot, the zope hotfix, and </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; yihaw=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; =
somewhere in one of=20
  these installations was added another python directory =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; (and I think this contributes to some or our problems, =
but I don't=20
  know how </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; to prove it or change it) now, =
under=20
  zope we have a python (which is version </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; =
2) and a=20
  python 1.5.2 directory .....I'm not sure which piece may be calling=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; which version, and which one maybe =
causing the=20
  shutdown..... </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt; any=20
  enlightenment will be greatly greatly greatly appreciated. =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; thanks, </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  Hank Bowry </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; hank@broughton-sys.com=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; Today's =
Topics:=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.=20
  zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started:=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; my=20
  Method&nbsp; to stop zope dead: (Tino Wildenhain) </FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2. Re: ZServer Must Be Continually =
Re-Started:=20
  my Method to stop zope </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; dead: =
timeoutsocket:=20
  (Gilles Lavaux) </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; Message: 1 </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt; Date:=20
  Fri, 11 May 2001 15:25:35 +0200 </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; From: =
Tino=20
  Wildenhain &lt;tino@wildenhain.de&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; =
To: Ben=20
  Ocean &lt;zope@thewebsons.com&gt;, </FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Gilles Lavaux=20
  &lt;gilles.lavaux@esrin.esa.it&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; Cc:=20
  zope@zope.org </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; Subject: zope hangs vs: =
Re: [Zope]=20
  ZServer Must Be Continually </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; Re-Started: =

  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;&nbsp; my Method&nbsp; to stop zope =
dead:=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; Hi Ben,=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; no this =
is completly=20
  different to your problem. </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; Dont know =
why these=20
  threads are intermixed. </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; The problem below is zope not responding to requests=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; but still beeing running. =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; Your problem is =
different:=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; zope =
stops running=20
  instantly. </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt; So I=20
  expect something in your environment and/or python </FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; version. Do you have a plain install or did you install=20
  </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; additionally products with zope? =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
  size=3D2>&gt; </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; Regards </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  Tino Wildenhain </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;=20
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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May 11 18:52:15 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:52:15 -0600
Subject: [Zope] DTML - change document title?
References: <20010511163309.31374.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AFC26CF.45FF905@kaivo.com>

Kevin L wrote:
> 
> I know this is probably really easy but I can't find it anywhere
> in the docs.
> 
> I have a dtml document that needs to have a different title
> every time (based on a database call). How can I set the title
> attribute from dtml?
> 
> thanks much
> 
> -Kevin
> 

<dtml-call expr="dtml_doc.manage_changeProperties(title='new title')">

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Fri May 11 18:54:25 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:54:25 +0800
Subject: [Zope] log files
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMOEOADPAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

is this the only way to use stupid_log_files?

"
  $ python1.5.2 z2.py ZSYSLOG_SERVER="syslog.mydomain.com:514" \
     STUPID_FILE_LOGGER=var/Zope.log"
"

i got this from: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Misc/LOGGING.txt

or can i put this in a config file? i looked inside z2.py and found no place
to put it.

what am i supposed to expect here? i tried the command line approach but i
was looking for the file and i don't think it create the file. or is it
gonna be create when the first error comes?


Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

Summit Interactive, Inc.
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From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Fri May 11 19:20:03 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:20:03 -0500
Subject: [Zope] DTML - change document title?
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CBE@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

The problem with this:  A large number of pageviews will fill ZODB up with
copies of the document.  It might be better not to use <dtml-var
standard_html_header>, but instead write the header into the document and do
this:
<html>
<head>
<title><dtml-in sqlSelectTitle><dtml-var sqlTitle></dtml-in></title>
</head>
<body>
...
Modify to suite your needs.

Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: Casey Duncan [mailto:cduncan@kaivo.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:52 PM
To: Kevin L
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] DTML - change document title?


Kevin L wrote:
> 
> I know this is probably really easy but I can't find it anywhere
> in the docs.
> 
> I have a dtml document that needs to have a different title
> every time (based on a database call). How can I set the title
> attribute from dtml?
> 
> thanks much
> 
> -Kevin
> 

<dtml-call expr="dtml_doc.manage_changeProperties(title='new title')">

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>

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From lsloan@umich.edu  Fri May 11 19:22:04 2001
From: lsloan@umich.edu (Lance E Sloan)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:22:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] my solution to #include in DocumentTemplate
Message-ID: <200105111822.OAA04788@birds.us.itd.umich.edu>

Just in case anybody is interested (rather unlikely) I thought
I'd let everybody know how I resolved my quest for #include-like
behavior in DocumentTemplate.  Of course, a very good way would
have been to actually create a "dtml-include" tag by following
the suggestions at zope.org.

Being a Python newbie, a Zope not-even-newbie-yet, and under a
tight deadline, I didn't go that route.  Instead, I happened
to stumble across this method.  What I was looking for was
something like:

	<!--#include file="../path/to/filename.dtml" -->

in a DTML file to include another DTML file, recursively.  I
ended up doing this:

	<!--#with "_(incDoc = DocumentTemplate.HTMLFile('../path/to/file.dtml'))"
	-->
	<!--#var expr="incDoc(x = x)" -->
	<!--#/with -->

It works well.  The only problem is that for every object I want
to pass to the included document must be specified individually
(x = x).  I tried these but they didn't work:

	<!--#var expr="incDoc(mapping = vars())" -->
	<!--#var expr="incDoc(mapping = mapping)" -->

For now, this is not too much of a problem, as I'm only including
a header or a footer that's common to all my DTML pages and they
don't require many arguments.

BTW, I think DocumentTemplate is excellent and it should be added to
the standard Python distribution.  For those that don't know my
weird history with this module, I've borrowed DocumentTemplate from
Zope to write some CGIs in Python.  They're coming along nicely,
but I admit that I'm somewhat sloppy.

--
Lance E Sloan
Web Services, Univ. of Michigan: Full-service Web and database design,
development, and hosting.  Specializing in Perl & Python CGIs.
http://websvcs.itd.umich.edu/ - "Putting U on the Web"


From lstafford@morphics.com  Fri May 11 19:23:46 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:23:46 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Threads in ExternalMethods
In-Reply-To: <PKEFLGEBLGPCKNPIENBJGEJJCJAA.jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICMEJEGGAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

You might consider using Xron to schedule the async process for "now"
(_.DateTime()). I won't claim this is the best solution for your app, but at
least all the threading is already done for you and the scheduled method is
"all Zope".

-- Loren

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Juan
> Carlos Coruña
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 07:40
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Threads in ExternalMethods
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am now trying to create an ExternalMethod that executes a long process
> (about 30 seconds) in a new thread and then this thread sends the
> result per
> e-mail. The ExternalMethod must return inmediatly. I need this behavior in
> order to not block the user while browsing.
>
> Are there anybody that can help me?
>
>
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From drees@the-bridge.net  Fri May 11 19:21:28 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:21:28 -0500
Subject: [Zope] problem selecting integers from mysql
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B302@desi2>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOOELLDGAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> put int() around your results; it will convert a longint to an integer.

What happens if the longint is too big for an int?



From zope@thewebsons.com  Fri May 11 19:08:26 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:08:26 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: zope hangs
In-Reply-To: <4063761.989594735@BUZZER>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010511051000.00a24150@thewebsons.com>
 <5.0.2.1.0.20010511051000.00a24150@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010511103516.009f3b30@thewebsons.com>

At 03:25 PM 5/11/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi Ben,
>
>zope stops running instantly.
>
>So I expect something in your environment and/or python
>version. Do you have a plain install or did you install
>additionally products with zope?

Well, I've built a number of products into the Zope Products folder *after* 
the installation. I may be including some of the regularly installed 
products, but here's the list:
 >>>
Chameleon/Chameleon Skin
CookielessSessionManager
FSSession
Local File System
MailHost
PHP File
Parsed XML
Portal
RAM Cache Manager
Script (Python)
Set Access Rule
Squishdot Site
Tiny Tables Plus
User Folder
Version
Virtual Host Monster
Vocabulary
Wizard/ Wizard Page
XML Document
XML Widget/XML Widget Manager
Z MySQL Database Connection
Z SQL Method
Z Search Interface
<<<
It could be the python installation. I'm running two versions: 1.5 and 
1.5.2. When I type *which python* at a command prompt I get this:
/usr/bin/python
and within this same folder is python1.5, whereas *locate python* reveals 
these directories:
 >>>
/apache/vhosts/Python-1.5.2
/apache/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5
/usr/bin/Python-1.5.2
 >>>
When I type *python* at the command line I find the version I'm running is 
1.5.2.

So, perhaps that's where the problem is. How would you suggest I 
trouble-shoot this? Are there error logs in python? I wouldn't mind killing 
a version of python, but I don't want to screw anything else up, either. 
I'm running STUPID_LOG_FILE but catching no errors. Also, with regard to my 
*environment*, how would you suggest I search for potential problems? I'm 
running RH6.2. The only other bugs I'm working on in my Linux environment 
are a problem with warm reboot not reading the httpd.conf file and noticing 
a bunch of httpsd restarts early in the morning hours when I run *ps aux* 
that turn out to all be dead processes.

TIA,
BenO



From bill@libc.org  Fri May 11 19:43:45 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 11 May 2001 12:43:45 -0600
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105111918330.2448-100000@phd.fep.ru>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105111918330.2448-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <989606626.9772.0.camel@locutus>

On 11 May 2001 19:19:46 +0400, Oleg Broytmann wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2001, Nils Kassube wrote:
> > This is very easy with a simple addition to the regular expression. You simply
> > look for an optional part (-announce).  I don't understand how this could be
> > easier with text in the subject header. It looks like the same amount of work,
> > except that [Zope] in every subject line wastes precious screen space.
> 
>    I didn't say it is impossible at all. I said it is possible, but [Zope]
> in subject makes it simpler. I don't consider this as "unneccessary
> redundant and ugly" :)

Well, technically speaking .. 
 o It is unnecessary because there are at least two other headers you
vcan sort on.
 o it is redundant for the same reason

As for ugly, while I agree it does make for poor subject usage, and
IIRC, non-compliant header munging, ugliness, as beauty, is in the eye
of the beholder.


Bill





From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Fri May 11 20:00:53 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:00:53 -0500
Subject: [Zope] [Tracker]Tracker errors and fixes on HP/UX 11.00 with Pyth
 on 2.0
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CBF@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

I sent this to the tracker-dev@zope.org list, but due to the lack of
activity on that list, I think it might be better placed here.  When looking
at the diffs below, note that I always append a # to a line of code that I
edit in someone elses sources.
Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: Farrell, Troy 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:06 AM
To: 'tracker-dev@zope.org'
Subject: Tracker errors and fixes on HP/UX 11.00 with Python 2.0


Hi Guys-
  I've installed Tracker before on Linux/i386 with Python 1.52 before
without problems, but when I try it with HPUX 11.00/Python 2.0 and Zope
2.3.1 or 2.3.2, there are many issues.  I seem to have fixed most of them
and I felt that you guys could use the fixes, so here we go:

1)
Inside the Tracker ZClass, I've changed
/Control_Panel/Products/Tracker/Tracker/propertysheets/methods/TrackerItem/p
ropertysheets/methods/index_html to include the following lines after the
comment at the beginning:

<dtml-unless expr="PATH_TRANSLATED == URL0[_.len(BASE0):]">
  <dtml-call expr="RESPONSE.redirect(URL0)">
</dtml-unless>

These lines fix the problems associated with the TrackerItem ZClass being
inside the Tracker ZClass instead of the TrackerIssue ZClass.  These
problems show themselves inside the manage_tabs method for a TrackerItem's
index_html

2)
Change all the appends with too many arguments to appending tuples, and
change tracker_role() so that it doesn't throw up an error when it tries to
convert a tuple to a string, because we can't convert a tuple to a string.
Please review the changes to tracker_role() in TrackerMisc.py especially
well.  I'm not very confident about them.  I've attached diffs below.


****************************************
DIFFS for Tracker
****************************************

troy@caustic:~/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/TrackerBase$ ls
CHANGES.txt       README.txt              TrackerMisc.py       envsetup.py
CVS               Tracker.zexp            TrackerMisc.py.orig  forms
LICENSE.txt       TrackerBase.py          TrackerMisc.pyc      issue.gif
Noodging.diff     TrackerBase.py.orig     __init__.py          item.gif
Noodging.py       TrackerBase.pyc         __init__.pyc         tracks.gif
Noodging.py.orig  TrackerMethods.py       addTrackerForm.dtml
Noodging.pyc      TrackerMethods.py.orig  age.py
troy@caustic:~/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/TrackerBase$ diff -c
Noodging.py.orig Noodging.py
*** Noodging.py.orig    Fri May 11 09:02:19 2001
--- Noodging.py Fri May 11 09:07:04 2001
***************
*** 99,105 ****
                  if transaction:
                      transaction.abort()
                  aborted = 1
!                 exceptions.append(TransactionAbort, details, rule)
                  if DEBUG >= 2:
                      Note("TransactionAbort(%s) encountered for %s\n",
                           details, `rule`)
--- 99,105 ----
                  if transaction:
                      transaction.abort()
                  aborted = 1
!                 exceptions.append((TransactionAbort, details, rule))#
                  if DEBUG >= 2:
                      Note("TransactionAbort(%s) encountered for %s\n",
                           details, `rule`)
troy@caustic:~/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/TrackerBase$ diff -c
TrackerBase.py.orig TrackerBase.py
*** TrackerBase.py.orig Fri May 11 09:02:29 2001
--- TrackerBase.py      Fri May 11 09:04:11 2001
***************
*** 76,82 ****
          """Return all keys and issues which we are privileged to view."""
          got = []
          for k, v in self._issues.items():
!             got.append(k, v.__of__(self))
          return got
      def values(self):
          """Return all issues which we are privileged to view."""
--- 76,82 ----
          """Return all keys and issues which we are privileged to view."""
          got = []
          for k, v in self._issues.items():
!             got.append((k, v.__of__(self)))#
          return got
      def values(self):
          """Return all issues which we are privileged to view."""
***************
*** 306,312 ****
          items = self._messages
          got = []
          for k, v in items.items():
!             got.append(k, v.__of__(self))
          if reverse:
              got.reverse()
          return got
--- 306,312 ----
          items = self._messages
          got = []
          for k, v in items.items():
!             got.append((k, v.__of__(self)))#
          if reverse:
              got.reverse()
          return got
troy@caustic:~/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/TrackerBase$ diff -c
TrackerMisc.py.orig TrackerMisc.py
*** TrackerMisc.py.orig Fri May 11 09:02:41 2001
--- TrackerMisc.py      Fri May 11 09:08:45 2001
***************
*** 165,171 ****
              and str(user.acl_users._nobody) == str(user)):
              return 1
          if (string.lower(i) == "superuser"
!             and str(user.acl_users._super) == str(user)):
              return 1
          if not categories.has_key(i):
              candidates.append(i)
--- 165,171 ----
              and str(user.acl_users._nobody) == str(user)):
              return 1
          if (string.lower(i) == "superuser"
!             and user.acl_users._emergency_user == str(user)):#
              return 1
          if not categories.has_key(i):
              candidates.append(i)
troy@caustic:~/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/TrackerBase$ diff -c
TrackerMethods.py.orig TrackerMethods.py
*** TrackerMethods.py.orig      Fri May 11 09:02:53 2001
--- TrackerMethods.py   Fri May 11 09:06:37 2001
***************
*** 377,393 ****
          if REQUEST is None: val = None
          else: val = REQUEST.get(i + "__trait", None)
          if val is not None:
!             traitVals.append(i, val)
              traitdict[i] = val
          elif origTraitValsDict.has_key(i):
!             traitVals.append(i, origTraitValsDict[i])
              traitdict[i] = origTraitValsDict[i]
          else:
              traitdict[i] = ''
              if extend:
                  vals = traitsStruct[i + "_range"][1]
!                 if vals: traitVals.append(i, vals[0])
!                 else: traitVals.append(i, '')

      if not hasattr(issue, 'traitVals') or issue.traitVals != traitVals:
          issue.traitVals = traitVals
--- 377,393 ----
          if REQUEST is None: val = None
          else: val = REQUEST.get(i + "__trait", None)
          if val is not None:
!             traitVals.append((i, val))#
              traitdict[i] = val
          elif origTraitValsDict.has_key(i):
!             traitVals.append((i, origTraitValsDict[i]))#
              traitdict[i] = origTraitValsDict[i]
          else:
              traitdict[i] = ''
              if extend:
                  vals = traitsStruct[i + "_range"][1]
!                 if vals: traitVals.append((i, vals[0]))#
!                 else: traitVals.append((i, ''))#

      if not hasattr(issue, 'traitVals') or issue.traitVals != traitVals:
          issue.traitVals = traitVals
***************
*** 2067,2077 ****
              else:
                  msg = str(tbobj)
              msg = msg + ', ' + str((herepath, branchpoint, ps))
!             got.append(p, msg)

          if o is not None:
              if not hasattr(o, 'type') or o.type != 'tracker':
!                 got.append(o, "Not a tracker")
              else:
                  if gotids.has_key(id(o.aq_base)):
                      # Already have one.
--- 2067,2077 ----
              else:
                  msg = str(tbobj)
              msg = msg + ', ' + str((herepath, branchpoint, ps))
!             got.append((p, msg))#

          if o is not None:
              if not hasattr(o, 'type') or o.type != 'tracker':
!                 got.append((o, "Not a tracker"))#
              else:
                  if gotids.has_key(id(o.aq_base)):
                      # Already have one.
***************
*** 2079,2088 ****
                  if o.tracker_role(o, 'staff',
user=REQUEST.AUTHENTICATED_USER):
                      # Bingo - we have staff access in this object.
                      gotids[id(o.aq_base)] = 1
!                     got.append(p, (o,))
                      gotobjs.append(o)
                  else:
!                     got.append(p, "Not staff in this tracker")
      tracker.peers = peers
      return (gotobjs, got)

--- 2079,2088 ----
                  if o.tracker_role(o, 'staff',
user=REQUEST.AUTHENTICATED_USER):
                      # Bingo - we have staff access in this object.
                      gotids[id(o.aq_base)] = 1
!                     got.append((p, (o,)))#
                      gotobjs.append(o)
                  else:
!                     got.append((p, "Not staff in this tracker"))#
      tracker.peers = peers
      return (gotobjs, got)

troy@caustic:~/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/TrackerBase$

*********************************************
End DIFFS
*********************************************


From willd@p-wave.com  Fri May 11 19:30:12 2001
From: willd@p-wave.com (Will Dennis)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:30:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
Message-ID: <3AFC2FB4.2080600@p-wave.com>

Hello,

I have the same (?) problem with a site running on our Zope server (Zope 
2.3.0) -- The site just hangs from time to time (the Zope processes are 
still running, and not taking any more memory than usual, but ZServer is 
not responding to GET requests.) A stop/start cures the problem (until 
it happens again.) This site is a popular site, and gets spidered a lot, 
so I wonder if it is a thread consumption problem. I have written a 
Python script to monitor a Zope installation (authored it for just this 
problem) that is available from my Zope.org page, 
http://www.zope.org/Members/willdawg .

I'd love to know why this occurs, if someone figures it out...

Thanks,

Will Dennis
P-Wave, Inc.



From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 11 20:04:08 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:04:08 -0700
Subject: [Zope] problem selecting integers from mysql
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B304@desi2>

It would have to be out of the range of a 4-byte integer, which is not
likely in most applications.  MySQLDA sees MySQL INT and INTEGER (4 byte)
type fields as longint types, which are also 4 byte integers (which is
-2,147,483,248 to 2,147,483,248).  I am not sure about MySQL's BIGINT type,
which is an 8-byte integer, which is so rediculously big (2^64 or
18,446,744,073,709,551,616 possible numbers), it's hard to imagine anyone
using.  I'm not sure how Python's __int__() handles an 8-byte value, I
cannot seem to find an answer in the Python Reference Manual...

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Drees [mailto:drees@the-bridge.net]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:21 AM
To: sean.upton@uniontrib.com; Zope@Zope. Org
Subject: RE: [Zope] problem selecting integers from mysql


> put int() around your results; it will convert a longint to an integer.

What happens if the longint is too big for an int?


From craig.dunigan@esker.com  Fri May 11 20:10:11 2001
From: craig.dunigan@esker.com (Dunigan, Craig)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:10:11 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
Message-ID: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDF53@exch-mdsn-usa.persoft.com>

I also have a similar problem (RH v7, Zope v2.3.0); ps aux shows normal
python processes, top shows no unusual CPU usage, Z2.log shows the last GET
request and that's it, there simply is no response from zope until I restart
it.  I just enabled verbose logging with the -M switch on z2.py today, to
try to get more information.  My setup includes ZEO v0.4, does anyone else
having this problem use ZEO?  

Craig Dunigan
Web Programmer
Esker Software - Extending the Reach of Information
mailto:craig.dunigan@esker.com
Ph. 608.273.6000
Fax 608.273.8227
http://www.esker.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Dennis [mailto:willd@p-wave.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:30 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have the same (?) problem with a site running on our Zope 
> server (Zope 
> 2.3.0) -- The site just hangs from time to time (the Zope 
> processes are 
> still running, and not taking any more memory than usual, but 
> ZServer is 
> not responding to GET requests.) A stop/start cures the 
> problem (until 
> it happens again.) This site is a popular site, and gets 
> spidered a lot, 
> so I wonder if it is a thread consumption problem. I have written a 
> Python script to monitor a Zope installation (authored it for 
> just this 
> problem) that is available from my Zope.org page, 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/willdawg .
> 
> I'd love to know why this occurs, if someone figures it out...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Will Dennis
> P-Wave, Inc.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 


From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May 11 20:22:05 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:22:05 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
References: <3AFC2FB4.2080600@p-wave.com>
Message-ID: <033001c0da4f$aa6214c0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Note that there is probably not one single cause (or solution) for all of
the reported "Zope hangs on me" issues.

The requestprofiler module (part of the most recent Zope CVS checkout in the
/utilities directory) is a reasonable place to start to try to track down a
pattern to the hangs.  I've put it up separately at
http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/HowTos/DEBUG-LOG/requestprofiler.py so
people can make use of it before 2.4 comes out.  Make sure to read the
documentation it has available via the --help switch.  You need to turn on
"big M" logging (via the -M switch in z2.py) to have something which the
script can parse and profile.

- C

----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Dennis" <willd@p-wave.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 2:30 PM
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started


> Hello,
>
> I have the same (?) problem with a site running on our Zope server (Zope
> 2.3.0) -- The site just hangs from time to time (the Zope processes are
> still running, and not taking any more memory than usual, but ZServer is
> not responding to GET requests.) A stop/start cures the problem (until
> it happens again.) This site is a popular site, and gets spidered a lot,
> so I wonder if it is a thread consumption problem. I have written a
> Python script to monitor a Zope installation (authored it for just this
> problem) that is available from my Zope.org page,
> http://www.zope.org/Members/willdawg .
>
> I'd love to know why this occurs, if someone figures it out...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Will Dennis
> P-Wave, Inc.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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>



From augusto@artlover.com  Fri May 11 20:39:27 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:39:27 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B300@desi2>
Message-ID: <3AFC3FEF.F63C5189@artlover.com>

Thank you, Sean.

Yes, eventually using <dtml-with> enables me to reach the property value, by
placing a method (using your logic), at the same folder where it finds a folder
with numbers as names. That means I'd need at least three methods, but guess
this isn't a clean way of retrieving simple property values.

How does the community faces this? Do you just don't use numbers as folder
names?



Ausum



sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> 
> Ok.  Sorry to jump to quickly on that one; I am partially wrong.
> 
> <dmtl-var expr="_['2000'].id"> will work; so will <dtml-in
> expr="_['2000'].objectValues()"> (returns a sequence).
> 
> However, in the case of something like this:
> <dtml-var expr="_['5000']._['5100'].id">
> 
> Zope has some security/permissions issue with that (when I try to run a
> method with code like this as a manager, I get a basic auth box?).  I assume
> that the workaround would have to be using dtml-with one namespace at a
> time...
> 
> That is, unless someone has a better way to do this.
> 
> Sean
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Upton, Sean
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:50 AM
> To: 'Ausum'; zope@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
> 
> use:
> 
> <dtml-var expr="folder1._['2000']...
> 
> etc to reference an object with an id; should work, though I think this only
> works in an expr within dtml-var and not name=...
> 
> Sean
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ausum [mailto:augusto@artlover.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:19 AM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
> 
> I need to retrieve a property nested at a document placed within folders
> whose
> names start with numbers. Like this:
> 
> <dtml-var "folder1.2000.12345.dtmldoc.this_property">
> 
> This sintax is invalid because there are object names that are starting with
> numbers, within the Python expression.
> 
> Is there a workaround? (I've tried the usual ones, unsuccessfully).
> 
> Ausum
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From craig.dunigan@esker.com  Fri May 11 20:38:05 2001
From: craig.dunigan@esker.com (Dunigan, Craig)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Zope] log files
Message-ID: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDF54@exch-mdsn-usa.persoft.com>

Hi Fritz,

> is this the only way to use stupid_log_files?
> 
> "
>   $ python1.5.2 z2.py ZSYSLOG_SERVER="syslog.mydomain.com:514" \
>      STUPID_FILE_LOGGER=var/Zope.log"
> "
> 
> i got this from: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Misc/LOGGING.txt
> or can i put this in a config file? i looked inside z2.py and 
> found no place
> to put it.
> 

Well, sort of.  First of all, as noted here
http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2000-February/103384.html,
STUPID_FILE_LOGGER is incorrect (somebody really ought to fix that).  The
correct environment variable name is STUPID_LOG_FILE.  Secondly, I'm not
sure it makes sense to turn on both local and remote logging as (it seems to
me) this example does.  I'll address the local logging, since that's the
only one I'm sure of.  Since you don't want to turn it on all the time (eats
up resources and slows down your production server), the best way to enable
it is to set this environment variable somewhere, like perhaps your ./start
script, something like:

#! /bin/sh
reldir=`dirname $0`
PYTHONHOME=`cd $reldir; pwd`
export PYTHONHOME
STUPID_LOG_FILE=/$PYTHONHOME/var/Zope.log
export STUPID_LOG_FILE
exec /$PYTHONHOME/bin/python \
     $PYTHONHOME/z2.py "$@"

then when you want to start debug logging, run zope like this:

./start -D &

For more logging options, there's also a -M switch for verbose logging in
z2.py, with a nice (wow, brand new as I was writing this!) utility available
here http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/HowTos/DEBUG-LOG, for analysis.  

> what am i supposed to expect here? i tried the command line 
> approach but i
> was looking for the file and i don't think it create the 
> file. or is it
> gonna be create when the first error comes?

You got nothing for two reasons.  One, you followed instructions and
unfortunately set the wrong environment variable.  Two, you probably didn't
turn on debugging by launching zope with the -D switch.  Don't forget to
background it with the &, because -D causes zope _not_ to detach from the
console when starting.  And at the risk of sounding repetitious, running a
production site with the -D switch is not recommended procedure.  Do it to
collect information, then turn it off when you have enough.

> 
> 
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
> 
> Summit Interactive, Inc.
> FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------
> http://contemplation401.tripod.com                     +Basta 
> Ikaw Lord
> 
> 
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> 


Craig Dunigan
Web Programmer
Esker Software - Extending the Reach of Information
mailto:craig.dunigan@esker.com
Ph. 608.273.6000
Fax 608.273.8227
http://www.esker.com


From dave@kovach.com  Fri May 11 20:44:10 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 11 May 2001 12:44:10 -0700
Subject: [Zope] manage permissions
Message-ID: <20010511194410.3864.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Each time I go to access the ZMI - it automatically
logs in as annonymous user. 

Thusly, anyone who knows my site address and goes to /manage - can see the insides of my zope instance - though the annon. priveleges dont allow them to do anything. 

This wasnt happening when I first installed. Now, everytime from inside and outside my network its doing this... Anyone have any ideas how to fix?? 

Thanks 

David


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 11 20:54:36 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:54:36 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B306@desi2>

I would use the syntax that Oliver specified earlier:
	<dtml-var expr="_['5000']['5100'].id">

I think that will work...

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Ausum [mailto:augusto@artlover.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:39 PM
To: sean.upton@uniontrib.com; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers


Thank you, Sean.

Yes, eventually using <dtml-with> enables me to reach the property value, by
placing a method (using your logic), at the same folder where it finds a
folder
with numbers as names. That means I'd need at least three methods, but guess
this isn't a clean way of retrieving simple property values.

How does the community faces this? Do you just don't use numbers as folder
names?



Ausum



sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> 
> Ok.  Sorry to jump to quickly on that one; I am partially wrong.
> 
> <dmtl-var expr="_['2000'].id"> will work; so will <dtml-in
> expr="_['2000'].objectValues()"> (returns a sequence).
> 
> However, in the case of something like this:
> <dtml-var expr="_['5000']._['5100'].id">
> 
> Zope has some security/permissions issue with that (when I try to run a
> method with code like this as a manager, I get a basic auth box?).  I
assume
> that the workaround would have to be using dtml-with one namespace at a
> time...
> 
> That is, unless someone has a better way to do this.
> 
> Sean
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Upton, Sean
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:50 AM
> To: 'Ausum'; zope@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
> 
> use:
> 
> <dtml-var expr="folder1._['2000']...
> 
> etc to reference an object with an id; should work, though I think this
only
> works in an expr within dtml-var and not name=...
> 
> Sean
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ausum [mailto:augusto@artlover.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:19 AM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
> 
> I need to retrieve a property nested at a document placed within folders
> whose
> names start with numbers. Like this:
> 
> <dtml-var "folder1.2000.12345.dtmldoc.this_property">
> 
> This sintax is invalid because there are object names that are starting
with
> numbers, within the Python expression.
> 
> Is there a workaround? (I've tried the usual ones, unsuccessfully).
> 
> Ausum
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
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> 
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From michel@digicool.com  Fri May 11 20:57:35 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <989606626.9772.0.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105111253320.16199-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On 11 May 2001, Bill Anderson wrote:

> Well, technically speaking .. 
>  o It is unnecessary because there are at least two other headers you
> vcan sort on.
>  o it is redundant for the same reason

99% of the email users in this world have no idea how to filter mail, and
they *don't want to know*.  There's a reason why mail readers show only a
minimal amount of headers, because that information is useless to anyone
but the filtration-anal or a mail system administrator.

Filtration is wonderful, I do it myself.  But that visual information in
the subject line that is "useless" to some is essential to most.

-Michel



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May 11 20:58:50 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:58:50 -0600
Subject: [Zope] manage permissions
References: <20010511194410.3864.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <3AFC447A.D5E83504@kaivo.com>

dave@kovach.com wrote:
> 
> Each time I go to access the ZMI - it automatically
> logs in as annonymous user.
> 
> Thusly, anyone who knows my site address and goes to /manage - can see the insides of my zope instance - though the annon. priveleges dont allow them to do anything.
> 
> This wasnt happening when I first installed. Now, everytime from inside and outside my network its doing this... Anyone have any ideas how to fix??
> 
> Thanks
> 
> David
> 

It sounds like your Anonymous role has the View management screen
permission set somewhere (like at the root). Check it in the security
tab of your root folder.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From renfro@tntech.edu  Fri May 11 21:09:10 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:09:10 -0500
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105111253320.16199-100000@localhost.localdomain>; from michel@digicool.com on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 12:57:35PM -0700
References: <989606626.9772.0.camel@locutus> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105111253320.16199-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20010511150910.B5016@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 12:57:35PM -0700, Michel Pelletier wrote:

> 99% of the email users in this world have no idea how to filter mail, and
> they *don't want to know*.  There's a reason why mail readers show only a
> minimal amount of headers, because that information is useless to anyone
> but the filtration-anal or a mail system administrator.

I doubt the percentage of non-filtering Zope list subscribers is
anywhere near that high (I realize that you're probably
exaggerating). Second, even the minimal amount of headers most mail
readers show by default (To:, Cc:) is enough to filter the lists
out. Filtering on To: and Cc: drops maybe 1 [Zope] message per week
into my regular inbox.

Any way we could set up a poll restricted to mailing list members to
see how many people really care about this subject one way or the
other?

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From scott_list@mischko.com  Fri May 11 21:15:12 2001
From: scott_list@mischko.com (Scott Chapman)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:15:12 -0700
Subject: [Zope] WYSIWYG HTML applets to get rid of the textareas for HTML input?
Message-ID: <3AFBE5E0.30249.B9A9EAA@localhost>

I found a Java applet that allows you to edit HTML right in a web page, 
replacing a textarea with a WYSIWYG HTML editor. It occured to me that 
this would be a fabulous thing to use with Zope to do away with textarea 
inputs for HTML.  Is anyone doing this?

These tools are not free :-( but they are not very expensive either:

Cross Platform (Java Applet) implementation of this. (This is the one I'm 
interested in):
http://www.realobjects.de/index.htm?/english/editonpro_e.htm

Windows tools that do this:
http://www.ektron.com/ewebeditpro.cfm?doc_id=1035
http://www.mifo.com/comgistics.htm
http://www.editlive.com/product/

How would you make Zope serve up a java applet without having to run 
Apache just for applet serving?

How hard would it be to make Zope put this type of stuff in the management 
pages where ever a text box is currently used to grab HTML input?
> <HEAD>
> <SCRIPT ID=clientEventHandlersJS LANGUAGE=javascript>
> <!--
> function scriptForm_onsubmit() {
>  document.scriptForm.HTMLText.value =
>  document.editor.getHTMLData("http://");
> }
> //-->
> </HEAD>
> 
> <BODY>
> <FORM name="scriptForm" method="post" action="test1.asp" 
> LANGUAGE=javascript onsubmit="return scriptForm_onsubmit()"
> target="_blank">
> 
> 
> <APPLET id="editor" name="editor" code="EditorApplet"
> archive="edit-on-pro.jar" height=400 width=600 VIEWASTEXT>
> 
> 
>   <PARAM name="CODEBASE" value="../../eopro/">
> 
>   <param name="CABBASE" value="edit-on-pro-signed.cab">
>          <param name="LOCALE" value="en_US">
>          <param name="BUTTONORDER" value="toolbar.txt">
>          <param name="BODYONLY" value="true">
>          <param name="TEXTMODE" value="TRUE">
>          <param name="SOURCEVIEW" value="TRUE">
>   <param name="DEFAULTBACKGROUNDCOLOR" value="white">
> </APPLET>

I don't get into Zope internals at all yet so this is beyond my knowlege. Is this 
a viable solution?

Scott


From andres@corrada.com  Fri May 11 21:28:59 2001
From: andres@corrada.com (andres@corrada.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:28:59 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
In-Reply-To: <3AFC3FEF.F63C5189@artlover.com>; from Ausum on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 02:39:27PM -0500
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B300@desi2> <3AFC3FEF.F63C5189@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <20010511162858.B3702@corrada.com>

That's right. It makes for simpler development if you never have to worry
about ids that start with numbers.

We encountered this problem in our development of a major e-commerce site
and decided to prohibit ids starting with numbers. By the way, we also
disallowed spaces in the ids.

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 02:39:27PM -0500, Ausum wrote:
> Thank you, Sean.
> 
> Yes, eventually using <dtml-with> enables me to reach the property value, by
> placing a method (using your logic), at the same folder where it finds a folder
> with numbers as names. That means I'd need at least three methods, but guess
> this isn't a clean way of retrieving simple property values.
> 
> How does the community faces this? Do you just don't use numbers as folder
> names?
> 
> 
> 
> Ausum
> 

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Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
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From andym@ActiveState.com  Fri May 11 21:36:34 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:36:34 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
References: <989606626.9772.0.camel@locutus> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105111253320.16199-100000@localhost.localdomain> <20010511150910.B5016@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>
Message-ID: <001901c0da5a$124e0a30$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

I really dont see the problem:

Advantage:
- simple clear which list you are talking about.
- filters people who reply directly to you rather than to the list (useful)

Disadvantage:
- 6 extra characters in the subject line

What am I missing?

--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Renfro" <renfro@tntech.edu>
To: "Michel Pelletier" <michel@digicool.com>
Cc: "Bill Anderson" <bill@libc.org>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification


> On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 12:57:35PM -0700, Michel Pelletier wrote:
>
> > 99% of the email users in this world have no idea how to filter mail,
and
> > they *don't want to know*.  There's a reason why mail readers show only
a
> > minimal amount of headers, because that information is useless to anyone
> > but the filtration-anal or a mail system administrator.
>
> I doubt the percentage of non-filtering Zope list subscribers is
> anywhere near that high (I realize that you're probably
> exaggerating). Second, even the minimal amount of headers most mail
> readers show by default (To:, Cc:) is enough to filter the lists
> out. Filtering on To: and Cc: drops maybe 1 [Zope] message per week
> into my regular inbox.
>
> Any way we could set up a poll restricted to mailing list members to
> see how many people really care about this subject one way or the
> other?
>
> --
> Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
> 931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu
>
> _______________________________________________
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> (Related lists -
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>



From dieter@handshake.de  Fri May 11 20:52:19 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:52:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started:
 my Method  to stop zope dead:
In-Reply-To: <582137189@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15100.17139.266562.325235@lindm.dm>

Tino Wildenhain writes:
 > The problem below is zope not responding to requests
 > but still beeing running.
I made a funny experience recently:

  One of our low load Zope installations went into this hanging state
  regularly. I had the impression, it happened every day.

  Then I activated a checker, that checks availability
  every 5 minutes. The problem went away. Since then,
  Zope never hung again.

  Maybe, Zope does not like to be lazy?


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Fri May 11 20:45:12 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:45:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] addtional property in dtml-tree?
In-Reply-To: <170054880@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15100.16712.703684.28885@lindm.dm>

Klaus Herrmann writes:
 > I have the following problem: 
 > i have a dtml-tree listing the directory structure. but i want to be able to
 > define a property called "hidden" (bool) on folders. these hidden folders
 > mustn't appear in the tree. any ideas how this could be done? 
You should look at the tree attribute "branches_expr" (Zope book or
  URL:http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope/book/chap3.html)
and at "ZopeFind" (--> ZQR Zope Quick Reference).


Dieter





From dieter@handshake.de  Fri May 11 21:02:36 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:02:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
In-Reply-To: <428881585@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15100.17756.35542.753726@lindm.dm>

Ausum writes:
 > I need to retrieve a property nested at a document placed within folders whose
 > names start with numbers. Like this:
 > 
 > <dtml-var "folder1.2000.12345.dtmldoc.this_property">
The general solution: "computed attribute access"

    "_.getattr(<object>,<expression evaluating to attribute name>)"

This general solution will give you a monstrous expression....

Folders expose their content through subscription (and through attributes).
This means, you can use:

     "<folder>[<expression evaluation to the content item name>]"

That is quite readable.


Finally, you can use "restrictedTraverses".



Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Fri May 11 20:39:45 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:39:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] <dtml-in> looping over lines in document
In-Reply-To: <10711149@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15100.16385.738929.731326@lindm.dm>

Laurie Nason writes:
 > Is it possible to use <dtml-in> over a DTML method's text and get each line
 > out one by one. I know there is a lines property but am not sure how or if
 > it can be used in this context.
It is possible provided your user has the necessary permissions:

   <dtml-in "_.string.split(<your method>.document_src(),'\n')">
     ...
   </dtml-in>

 > The reason I am asking is that I am trying somehow to store my lookup values
 > for my select boxes in one folder with each lookup having a separate DTML
 > method containing the values. If anyone has a better idea, please let me
 > know.
A "lines" or "tokens" property is good for this.

We also often use:

   <dtml-return "('opt1','opt2','opt3',....)">

This also allows to compute your option values based on the context.

You would use it:

   <dtml-in <your_method>>
     ....



Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Fri May 11 20:59:01 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:59:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] French language problems
In-Reply-To: <155897401@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15100.17541.720369.337272@lindm.dm>

Peter Bengtsson writes:
 > I want to "filter" the user input a bit.
 > If somebody submits name=3D"=E9=E8=E0", in the end I want: name=3D"eea=
"
 >=20
 > So I tried this:
 >=20
 > <pseudo atr=3D"filling in the input name=3D'=E9'">
 > print self.REQUEST['name'], '=E9'
 > print self.REQUEST['name'] =3D=3D '=E9'
 > </pseudo>
 >=20
 > This returns
 > '\303\251', '=E9'
 > 0
 >=20
 > Basically, how do I compare self.REQUEST['name'] with '=E9' and get tr=
ue?
 > (assuming the name variable is set to "=E9". (you understand what I me=
an)
Your REQUEST variables seem to be "UTF-8" encoded:

     '\303\251' is the UTF-8 code of '=E9'.

You have different options:

  *  convince your browser to send "iso-8859-1" encoded data.

     I think, it uses the encoding that he found in the
     form constructing page.
     But others made different experiences.

     Please look into the (searchable) mailing list archives
     for the relevant threads.

  *  handle encoding in your own code (DTML or Script).


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Fri May 11 20:42:38 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:42:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] External method default arg weirdness
In-Reply-To: <331707090@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15100.16558.172075.396794@lindm.dm>

Nils Kassube writes:
 > * Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de> [2001-05-09 22:02]:
 >  
 > >   This magic works only, if the method is called with
 > >   precisely one parameter less then the required
 > >   arguments. It breaks very likely, when there are
 > >   default parameters. In this case, you need to pass
 > >   the "self" parameter explicitly and can not count on
 > >   the magic.
 > 
 > Nice. So http://www.zope.org/Documentation/How-To/ExternalMethods
 > is wrong in claiming that
 > 
 > --cut--
 > Argument semantics for External Methods are identical to those for
 > normal Python methods. You can define External Methods with default or
 > keyword arguments just as you can in Python.
 > --cut--
It depends, how you read it:

  Of course, you can define External Methods with default
  and keyword arguments.

  It will work fine, when you pass the object argument explicitly.
  It will also work fine, if called through the Web
  (as ZPublisher uses different magic).
  Only the automatic passing of the object argument when
  called from DTML will not work.


Dieter


From andres@corrada.com  Fri May 11 21:35:25 2001
From: andres@corrada.com (andres@corrada.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:35:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking timeout question
In-Reply-To: <3AFB6153.219B01CC@farm9.com>; from Joh Johannsen on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 08:49:39PM -0700
References: <3AFAE3F9.F17C8ED@farm9.com> <039d01c0d983$d0e11910$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <3AFAF1EF.70B4092@farm9.com> <007901c0d98c$43f5e090$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <20010510191032.B31180@corrada.com> <3AFB26B2.A4633D7E@farm9.com> <3AFB2E53.C45BAB1C@digicool.com> <3AFB6153.219B01CC@farm9.com>
Message-ID: <20010511163525.C3702@corrada.com>

Although we have not bothered to reproduce the timeout in the e-commerce
site we are developing, we also are using CoreSession heavily in all of our
pages since we have developed a shopping cart system that resides completly in
CoreSession (the data is saved to an external database when the customer
places the order).

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 08:49:39PM -0700, Joh Johannsen wrote:
> Good news -- its reproducible, sort of... I've had a brief period where
> I could reproduce an instant "wipe-out" as soon as a session started.  I
> had a slow-loading page, where it renders minus some graphics -- when it
> is not completely loaded, I click on a link -- when that link comes up
> all session data is gone.  
> 
> If I let the page load completely, session data remains.  This makes me
> think it has more to do with the automatic creation of session data, I
> do: <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('sessionData',
> sessionDataManager.getSessionData())"> on every single page -- it seems
> like sometimes I am just getting a new session when I think I should be
> getting an existing one.
> 
> This way is fairly reproducible, not all the time, but so far around 2/3
> of the time (and I've tried it like 20 times).  The "losing session
> data" part is like 2/3 of time, but so far I've never lost it if I let
> page load completely.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> JJ
> 

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Andres Corrada-Emmanuel   Email: andres@corrada.com
Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
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From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 11 21:44:26 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:44:26 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B309@desi2>

But it seems that workaround is not that difficult, assuming that you use
the:

_['1']['2']['3'] type of syntax when directly traversing, and just _[id]
when traversing in an automated fasion.

I am not seeming to have a problem, and I have a new project (online
classfied ad system) I am working on where I have a hierarchy of 10,000 -
20,000 manageable objects, 3 levels/folders deep, and all of them have
'numeric' (that is strings like '671012374') ids.

Are there any other problems from using numeric ids?

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: andres@corrada.com [mailto:andres@corrada.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:29 PM
To: Ausum; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Namespace problem with folders starting with numbers


That's right. It makes for simpler development if you never have to worry
about ids that start with numbers.

We encountered this problem in our development of a major e-commerce site
and decided to prohibit ids starting with numbers. By the way, we also
disallowed spaces in the ids.

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 02:39:27PM -0500, Ausum wrote:
> Thank you, Sean.
> 
> Yes, eventually using <dtml-with> enables me to reach the property value,
by
> placing a method (using your logic), at the same folder where it finds a
folder
> with numbers as names. That means I'd need at least three methods, but
guess
> this isn't a clean way of retrieving simple property values.
> 
> How does the community faces this? Do you just don't use numbers as folder
> names?
> 
> 
> 
> Ausum
> 

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Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
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From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Fri May 11 22:10:41 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 05:10:41 +0800
Subject: [Zope] log files
In-Reply-To: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDF54@exch-mdsn-usa.persoft.com>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMEEONDPAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

Hey Thanks so much Craig!!!
That really helped me a lot.

Oh yeah, I also receive the start/stop problem. How I fixed it? I put the
start/stop in cron. Crude but effective. Please advice me if this is
*wrong*. I'm open to new ways of *fixing* this start/stop problem.
My setup is similar to yours. RH7.0 but I upgraded my Zope(2.3.2) and
ZEO(1.0b1). I think there is a 1.0b2 version.

On my experience, sometimes it is a simple permission problem on the files.
It runs for a few minutes, lets you log in on the management screen then
stops. If you change some permissions like to the Data.fs file, it will run
smoothly.

Then there are times the swap file gets used up. Either increase swap file
or cron it (stop/start).

There are also instances where the Products cause conflict. Some Products
need other Products to work. Gotta make sure everything you need is
installed. In this case, some pages will appear then not.

oh yeah, is it advisable to use a start-up script? I manually do it like:
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/zope/z2.py

Good luck!


Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

Summit Interactive, Inc.
FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://contemplation401.tripod.com                     +Basta Ikaw Lord

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> Dunigan, Craig
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:38 AM
> To: 'fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph'; zope@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope] log files
>
>
> Hi Fritz,
>
> > is this the only way to use stupid_log_files?
> >
> > "
> >   $ python1.5.2 z2.py ZSYSLOG_SERVER="syslog.mydomain.com:514" \
> >      STUPID_FILE_LOGGER=var/Zope.log"
> > "
> >
> > i got this from: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Misc/LOGGING.txt
> > or can i put this in a config file? i looked inside z2.py and
> > found no place
> > to put it.
> >
>
> Well, sort of.  First of all, as noted here
> http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2000-February/103384.html,
> STUPID_FILE_LOGGER is incorrect (somebody really ought to fix that).  The
> correct environment variable name is STUPID_LOG_FILE.  Secondly, I'm not
> sure it makes sense to turn on both local and remote logging as
> (it seems to
> me) this example does.  I'll address the local logging, since that's the
> only one I'm sure of.  Since you don't want to turn it on all the
> time (eats
> up resources and slows down your production server), the best way
> to enable
> it is to set this environment variable somewhere, like perhaps
> your ./start
> script, something like:
>
> #! /bin/sh
> reldir=`dirname $0`
> PYTHONHOME=`cd $reldir; pwd`
> export PYTHONHOME
> STUPID_LOG_FILE=/$PYTHONHOME/var/Zope.log
> export STUPID_LOG_FILE
> exec /$PYTHONHOME/bin/python \
>      $PYTHONHOME/z2.py "$@"
>
> then when you want to start debug logging, run zope like this:
>
> ./start -D &
>
> For more logging options, there's also a -M switch for verbose logging in
> z2.py, with a nice (wow, brand new as I was writing this!)
> utility available
> here http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/HowTos/DEBUG-LOG, for analysis.
>
> > what am i supposed to expect here? i tried the command line
> > approach but i
> > was looking for the file and i don't think it create the
> > file. or is it
> > gonna be create when the first error comes?
>
> You got nothing for two reasons.  One, you followed instructions and
> unfortunately set the wrong environment variable.  Two, you
> probably didn't
> turn on debugging by launching zope with the -D switch.  Don't forget to
> background it with the &, because -D causes zope _not_ to detach from the
> console when starting.  And at the risk of sounding repetitious, running a
> production site with the -D switch is not recommended procedure.  Do it to
> collect information, then turn it off when you have enough.
>
> >
> >
> > Fritz Mesedilla
> > Systems Administrator
> >
> > Summit Interactive, Inc.
> > FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> > femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > --------------
> > http://contemplation401.tripod.com                     +Basta
> > Ikaw Lord
> >
> >
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>
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From lists@kassube.de  Fri May 11 22:22:04 2001
From: lists@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:22:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <20010511091546.U539@blanchardsite.com>; from charlie@blanchardsite.com on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 09:15:46AM -0700
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105071502130.31531-100000@localhost.localdomain> <871ypy9pfg.fsf@joyful.com> <87snie86iz.fsf@joyful.com> <ufae4k168r.fsf@westkapp.fte.to> <20010511091546.U539@blanchardsite.com>
Message-ID: <20010511232204.B7132@kursk.kassube.de>

* Charlie Blanchard <charlie@blanchardsite.com> [2001-05-11 18:15]:

> well, i use mutt in order to handle the huge volume of emails.

Good choice :-)

> but i pull mail from my pop3 server into a single folder without
> presorting via procmail as many others do. i like to be able to

Why not? Learning procmail is easier than learning to program 
within the Zope framework. If you're smart enough to deal with
Zope than you're smart enough to 

        man procmailrc
        man procmailex

If you get a lot of mail, it's worth the time.

> scan the subjects rapidly all in one folder and the only way to
> quickly distinguish which list a particular message pertains to
> is with those _ugly_ _outdated_ _useless_ subject line
> identifiers. it would make my life _much_ less productive if they
> went away...

Nope. First add this line to your .muttrc:

subscribe zope@zope.org

Then see section 4.8, "Handling Mailing Lists" in the Mutt manual: 

--cut--
Now that Mutt knows what your mailing lists are, it can do several
things, the first of which is the ability to show the name of a list
through which you received a message (i.e., of a subscribed list) in the
index menu display.
--cut--

Cheers,
Nils


From nika@kassube.de  Fri May 11 22:34:17 2001
From: nika@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:34:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope] External method default arg weirdness
In-Reply-To: <15100.16558.172075.396794@lindm.dm>; from dieter@handshake.de on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 09:42:38PM +0200
References: <331707090@toto.iv> <15100.16558.172075.396794@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <20010511233417.C7132@kursk.kassube.de>

* Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de> [2001-05-11 21:42]:
 
>   Only the automatic passing of the object argument when
>   called from DTML will not work.

A little bit or two paragraphs earlier in the same HowTo:

--cut--
As in standard Python, the self argument is implicit when calling an
External Method and does not need to be passed explicitly by the
programmer. Zope will automatically bind self when an External Method is
called from DTML.

If you define an External Method that takes more arguments than simply
self, you need to pass those arguments when calling the External Method
from DTML.
--cut--

I guess Brian wasn't aware of this problem when writing this.

Cheers,
Nils


From cg@cdegroot.com  Fri May 11 22:42:59 2001
From: cg@cdegroot.com (Cees de Groot)
Date: 11 May 2001 23:42:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZEO-based Linda?
Message-ID: <9dhmd3$teo$1@home.cdegroot.com>

Before I spend a lot of time researching this, I just want to ask the
community whether this would be possible:

I like Linda tuplespaces a lot, especially when they're distributed and
persistent. What I was thinking was that I could use ZEO (with a dbm
storage) for this: the "out" operation would just write the tuple to the
storage, while "in" and "rd" would try to grab a tuple, but if no matching
tuples would be found the thread would be put on hold, and a special dummy
Connection would listen to the invalidate messages back from ZEO (idea:
subclass Connection, override invalidate()), trying to match the requests
again on every promising ZEO update (for some value of promising). What to do
with "eval" is something different, but I could envision some load-balancing
scheduler here...

Would this (ab)use of ZEO work? Any suggestions?






From cg@cdegroot.com  Fri May 11 22:51:57 2001
From: cg@cdegroot.com (Cees de Groot)
Date: 11 May 2001 23:51:57 +0200
Subject: zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started:
References: <582137189@toto.iv> <15100.17139.266562.325235@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <9dhmtt$tmo$1@home.cdegroot.com>

Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de> said:
>  Then I activated a checker, that checks availability
>  every 5 minutes. The problem went away. Since then,
>  Zope never hung again.
>
We run our Zope installations under monitoring by NetSaint. My GSM phone
rings when Zope hangs, quite irritating.

Anyway, NetSaint checks a couple of times per minute, and we nevertheless
had Zope hangs. Yesterday there was an explicable one: we do whois
lookups, and the Belgian registration authority somehow dropped our
SYNC packets from the whois connection attempts. By the time <number of
threads> people tried to do a whois, Zope became of course unresponsive
(and my phone rang).

Just adding useless datapoints.... ;-)



From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Fri May 11 23:36:09 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:36:09 -0700
Subject: [Zope] manage permissions
In-Reply-To: <3AFC447A.D5E83504@kaivo.com>; from cduncan@kaivo.com on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:58:50PM -0600
References: <20010511194410.3864.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> <3AFC447A.D5E83504@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <20010511153609.Z539@blanchardsite.com>

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:58:50PM -0600, Casey Duncan wrote:
[snippity snip snip]
> 
> It sounds like your Anonymous role has the View management
> screen permission set somewhere (like at the root). Check it in
> the security tab of your root folder.
> 
After reading this post I felt the need to check my server to
double check my settings and wonder if there is some source of
info about some of the permissions that I'm overlooking.
For instance, just what is it that allowing "Access contents
information" permits or blocks? And what baseline permissions
should be enabled/disabled on a 'live production' server as a
matter of good practice? Any info that someone can provide or
point to would be very welcome indeed...

tia,
-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From rhess@bic.ch  Sat May 12 00:10:57 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:10:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope] manage permissions
References: <20010511194410.3864.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> <3AFC447A.D5E83504@kaivo.com> <20010511153609.Z539@blanchardsite.com>
Message-ID: <3AFC7181.3043654D@bic.ch>

Charlie Blanchard wrote:
> 
> On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:58:50PM -0600, Casey Duncan wrote:
> [snippity snip snip]
> >
> > It sounds like your Anonymous role has the View management
> > screen permission set somewhere (like at the root). Check it in
> > the security tab of your root folder.
> >
> After reading this post I felt the need to check my server to
> double check my settings and wonder if there is some source of
> info about some of the permissions that I'm overlooking.
> For instance, just what is it that allowing "Access contents
> information" permits or blocks? And what baseline permissions
> should be enabled/disabled on a 'live production' server as a
> matter of good practice? Any info that someone can provide or
> point to would be very welcome indeed...
> 
> tia,
> --

Hi Charlie, hi Dave

There is product by Tres Seavers, which at least helps, to get a better
look into a Zope installations actual security settings. I just mention
it, in case you don't know:

http://www.zope.org/Members/tseaver/ZopeSecurityAudit

Maybe, this is of some help for you. It was for me.

Flynt


From dave@kovach.com  Sat May 12 00:36:43 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 11 May 2001 16:36:43 -0700
Subject: [Zope] manage permissions
Message-ID: <20010511233643.16769.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Thanks for the tip on the product. Will look into it.

I need to dive into the security issues, but I have moved alot of my stuff to a hosting environment that definately has more experience with this stuff. That way I can focus on developing more and admin'ing less.

But, the security seems alittle lax with Zope. With the flip of a checkbox - anyone can then get into my backend. Not good. And to do it on error is I think even worse. Would never fly in corporate land.

But Zope rocks none the less.

Thanks

David


On Fri, 11 May 2001, Flynt wrote:

> 
> Charlie Blanchard wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:58:50PM -0600, Casey Duncan wrote:
> > [snippity snip snip]
> > >
> > > It sounds like your Anonymous role has the View management
> > > screen permission set somewhere (like at the root). Check it in
> > > the security tab of your root folder.
> > >
> > After reading this post I felt the need to check my server to
> > double check my settings and wonder if there is some source of
> > info about some of the permissions that I'm overlooking.
> > For instance, just what is it that allowing "Access contents
> > information" permits or blocks? And what baseline permissions
> > should be enabled/disabled on a 'live production' server as a
> > matter of good practice? Any info that someone can provide or
> > point to would be very welcome indeed...
> > 
> > tia,
> > --
> 
> Hi Charlie, hi Dave
> 
> There is product by Tres Seavers, which at least helps, to get a better
> look into a Zope installations actual security settings. I just mention
> it, in case you don't know:
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/tseaver/ZopeSecurityAudit
> 
> Maybe, this is of some help for you. It was for me.
> 
> Flynt




From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Sat May 12 00:37:33 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:37:33 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <20010511232204.B7132@kursk.kassube.de>; from lists@kassube.de on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 11:22:04PM +0200
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105071502130.31531-100000@localhost.localdomain> <871ypy9pfg.fsf@joyful.com> <87snie86iz.fsf@joyful.com> <ufae4k168r.fsf@westkapp.fte.to> <20010511091546.U539@blanchardsite.com> <20010511232204.B7132@kursk.kassube.de>
Message-ID: <20010511163733.B539@blanchardsite.com>

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 11:22:04PM +0200, Nils Kassube wrote:
> * Charlie Blanchard <charlie@blanchardsite.com> [2001-05-11 18:15]:
> 
> > but i pull mail from my pop3 server into a single folder without
> > presorting via procmail as many others do. i like to be able to
> 
> Why not? Learning procmail is easier than learning to program 
> within the Zope framework. If you're smart enough to deal with
> Zope than you're smart enough to 
> 
>         man procmailrc
>         man procmailex
> 
> If you get a lot of mail, it's worth the time.
> 
been there, done that. found that i'm _more_ productive rapidly
scanning all posts in a single folder rapidly and manually
sorting them to the various folders or dustbin. if i let procmail
send to folders first i find it less productive _for me_ to have
to switch to each folder etc. etc.

> > scan the subjects rapidly all in one folder and the only way to
> > quickly distinguish which list a particular message pertains to
> > is with those _ugly_ _outdated_ _useless_ subject line
> > identifiers. it would make my life _much_ less productive if they
> > went away...
> 
> Nope. First add this line to your .muttrc:
> 
> subscribe zope@zope.org
> 
> Then see section 4.8, "Handling Mailing Lists" in the Mutt manual: 
> 
> --cut--
> Now that Mutt knows what your mailing lists are, it can do several
> things, the first of which is the ability to show the name of a list
> through which you received a message (i.e., of a subscribed list) in the
> index menu display.
> --cut--
> 
thanks Nils, but i have found a different combination of .muttrc
directives suit my working style, folder-hooks and such, i'm very
much aware of mutt's list handling but have chosen a different
approach _after_ trying them out. <g>

cheers,
-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Sat May 12 00:43:33 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:43:33 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog (2.3.1) won't acquire method from parent folder?
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B30A@desi2>

Running Zope 2.3.1; A ZCatalog instance that I have won't acquire a method
from the parent folder it resides in; I get a NameError on the method.  This
is very strange.  The method is called from another method whose results are
supposed to be indexed.

+Zope Root
  +Classifieds	(Container, Subclassed from
				Folder, contains a method called
			  	iterateText(self, text, times))
     Catalog	(ZCatalog)
  
I have a text index set up for a method called searchTextWeighted, which is
a DTML template file on disk within a python product.  Inside
searchTextWeighted, I have the following DTML:
	<dtml-var expr="iterateText(getTitleExpanded(), 5)">

iterateText is a method of a python class that is subclassed from
ZCatalog.CatalogAware and OFS.Folder.Folder:

	def iterateText(self, text, times):
        	"""Repeats output of text times # of lines for # of times"""
        	result=''
		times=int(times)
        	for item in range(times):
        	  result=result+text+'\n'
        	return result

I get a name error for iterateText upon trying to add a catalog-Aware class,
when index_objects() is run (I just made this class Catalog-aware).  This is
weird, since, in terms of namespaces, iterateText is in a folder above the
Catalog, and also above the item I am trying to ad, so no matter how you
look at it, iterateText should be acquired, and not generate a Name Error.
In testing this out, I am able to traverse to iterateText via URL in a
browser with no problems.

I assume that this is not related to the ZCatalog bug in 2.3.1 where the
Catalog won't run a method requiring arguments.  The method in the index,
searchTextWeighted, passes all the arguments needed by iterateText in the
DTML.  So I am a bit confused here.

Traceback is below.

------------------------

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: manage_addAdItem)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
    (Object: manage_addAdItem)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/DailyClassifieds/item.py, line 251,
in manage_addAdItem
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 302, in
_setObject
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/CatalogAwareness.py, line
114, in manage_afterAdd
    (Object: CatalogAware)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/CatalogAwareness.py, line
184, in index_object
    (Object: CatalogAware)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/ZCatalog.py, line 429, in
catalog_object
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/Catalog.py, line 448, in
catalogObject
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/SearchIndex/UnTextIndex.py, line 323, in
index_object
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 127, in __call__
    (Object: searchTextWeighted)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 538, in
__call__
    (Object: searchTextWeighted)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 334, in
eval
    (Object: iterateText(getTitleExpanded(), 5))
    (Info: iterateText)
  File &lt;string&gt;, line 0, in ?
NameError: (see above)
----------------------

Sean

=========================
Sean Upton
Senior Programmer/Analyst
SignOnSanDiego.com
The San Diego Union-Tribune
619.718.5241
sean.upton@uniontrib.com
=========================


From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Sat May 12 01:04:27 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:04:27 -0700
Subject: [Zope] manage permissions
In-Reply-To: <3AFC7181.3043654D@bic.ch>; from rhess@bic.ch on Sat, May 12, 2001 at 01:10:57AM +0200
References: <20010511194410.3864.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> <3AFC447A.D5E83504@kaivo.com> <20010511153609.Z539@blanchardsite.com> <3AFC7181.3043654D@bic.ch>
Message-ID: <20010511170427.C539@blanchardsite.com>

On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 01:10:57AM +0200, Flynt wrote:
> Hi Charlie, hi Dave
> 
> There is product by Tres Seavers, which at least helps, to get a better
> look into a Zope installations actual security settings. I just mention
> it, in case you don't know:
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/tseaver/ZopeSecurityAudit
> 
> Maybe, this is of some help for you. It was for me.
> 
thanks Flynt. i checked it out and it is indeed interesting and
useful! i'd still like some pointers to permission theory and
practice tho if anyone knows of any such... <g>

-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From andym@ActiveState.com  Sat May 12 01:12:20 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:12:20 -0700
Subject: [Zope] manage permissions
References: <20010511233643.16769.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <00f601c0da78$37130d20$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> But, the security seems alittle lax with Zope. With the flip of a
checkbox - anyone can then get into my backend. Not good. And to do it on
error is I think even worse. Would never fly in corporate land.

Im not sure what is wrong with flipping a checkbox to change permissions,
pretty standard. You would of course only allow privledged users to be even
able to access that screen. What more would you like?

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.



From andres@corrada.com  Sat May 12 02:43:54 2001
From: andres@corrada.com (andres@corrada.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:43:54 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog (2.3.1) won't acquire method from parent folder?
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B30A@desi2>; from sean.upton@uniontrib.com on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:43:33PM -0700
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B30A@desi2>
Message-ID: <20010511214354.A9648@corrada.com>

Hi,

I'm being a bit impish here, but what is your acquisition path for
iterateText? Are there any ids that start with numbers?

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:43:33PM -0700, sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> Running Zope 2.3.1; A ZCatalog instance that I have won't acquire a method
> from the parent folder it resides in; I get a NameError on the method.  This
> is very strange.  The method is called from another method whose results are
> supposed to be indexed.
> 
> +Zope Root
>   +Classifieds	(Container, Subclassed from
> 				Folder, contains a method called
> 			  	iterateText(self, text, times))
>      Catalog	(ZCatalog)
>   
> I have a text index set up for a method called searchTextWeighted, which is
> a DTML template file on disk within a python product.  Inside
> searchTextWeighted, I have the following DTML:
> 	<dtml-var expr="iterateText(getTitleExpanded(), 5)">
> 
> iterateText is a method of a python class that is subclassed from
> ZCatalog.CatalogAware and OFS.Folder.Folder:
> 
> 	def iterateText(self, text, times):
>         	"""Repeats output of text times # of lines for # of times"""
>         	result=''
> 		times=int(times)
>         	for item in range(times):
>         	  result=result+text+'\n'
>         	return result
> 
> I get a name error for iterateText upon trying to add a catalog-Aware class,
> when index_objects() is run (I just made this class Catalog-aware).  This is
> weird, since, in terms of namespaces, iterateText is in a folder above the
> Catalog, and also above the item I am trying to ad, so no matter how you
> look at it, iterateText should be acquired, and not generate a Name Error.
> In testing this out, I am able to traverse to iterateText via URL in a
> browser with no problems.
> 
> I assume that this is not related to the ZCatalog bug in 2.3.1 where the
> Catalog won't run a method requiring arguments.  The method in the index,
> searchTextWeighted, passes all the arguments needed by iterateText in the
> DTML.  So I am a bit confused here.
> 
> Traceback is below.
> 
> ------------------------
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
> publish_module
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
> zpublisher_exception_hook
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
>     (Object: manage_addAdItem)
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in
> call_object
>     (Object: manage_addAdItem)
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/DailyClassifieds/item.py, line 251,
> in manage_addAdItem
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 302, in
> _setObject
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/CatalogAwareness.py, line
> 114, in manage_afterAdd
>     (Object: CatalogAware)
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/CatalogAwareness.py, line
> 184, in index_object
>     (Object: CatalogAware)
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/ZCatalog.py, line 429, in
> catalog_object
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/Catalog.py, line 448, in
> catalogObject
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/SearchIndex/UnTextIndex.py, line 323, in
> index_object
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 127, in __call__
>     (Object: searchTextWeighted)
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 538, in
> __call__
>     (Object: searchTextWeighted)
>   File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 334, in
> eval
>     (Object: iterateText(getTitleExpanded(), 5))
>     (Info: iterateText)
>   File &lt;string&gt;, line 0, in ?
> NameError: (see above)
> ----------------------
> 
> Sean
> 
> =========================
> Sean Upton
> Senior Programmer/Analyst
> SignOnSanDiego.com
> The San Diego Union-Tribune
> 619.718.5241
> sean.upton@uniontrib.com
> =========================
> 
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------------------------------------------------------
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------------------------------------------------------


From tim@freepm.org  Sat May 12 03:16:54 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:16:54 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog (2.3.1) won't acquire method from parent folder?
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B30A@desi2>
Message-ID: <3AFC9D16.E0648772@iswt.com>

sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> 
> Running Zope 2.3.1; A ZCatalog instance that I have won't acquire a method

I may be 'speaking out of turn' here (a good southern US
expression). But IMHO, anyone that is using 2.3.1 and having any
kind of problems, should run, don't walk, to upgrade to 2.3.2.
>From my experience and from posts on this list I think this is a
very prudent move.


-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From tim@freepm.org  Sat May 12 03:47:24 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:47:24 -0500
Subject: [Zope] addtional property in dtml-tree?
References: <200105111421.f4BELSo94677@mail.goelz.com>
Message-ID: <3AFCA43C.5EEA80AB@iswt.com>

Klaus Herrmann wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 11 May 2001 08:33:26 -0500, Tim Cook said:
> 
> > Klaus Herrmann wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > I have the following problem:
> > > i have a dtml-tree listing the directory structure. but i want to be able
> to
> > > define a property called "hidden" (bool) on folders. these hidden folders
> > > mustn't appear in the tree. any ideas how this could be done?
> > >
> > > thank in advance!
> >
> > UNTESTED, stab at it:
> >
> > <dtml-tree branches_expr="objectValues(['Folder']) AND NOT
> > is_hidden">
> 
> doesn't work: "invalid syntax (line 1)" (when trying to save the dtml doc).
> if i write "and not" instead of "AND NOT", the tree doesn't have any branches
> anymore :-(

This works, but may not be exactly what you are looking for
though?
---------------------------------
<dtml-var standard_html_header>

Normal Tree<br>
<dtml-tree branches_expr="objectValues(['Folder'])">
  <dtml-var id>
</dtml-tree>

Hidden Folder Test<br>
<dtml-tree branches_expr="objectValues(['Folder'])">
  <dtml-if expr="not is_hidden"><dtml-var id></dtml-if>
</dtml-tree>

<dtml-var standard_html_footer>
---------------------------------

There may be a way to get it to work in the branches_expr???


-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From jason_zope@yahoo.com  Sat May 12 04:03:53 2001
From: jason_zope@yahoo.com (Jason Byron)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:03:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] ZWN - didn't they say it would be weekly?
Message-ID: <20010512030353.26838.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com>

Didn't they say it would be weekly?

Can't get enough of that zope stuff.



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Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
http://auctions.yahoo.com/


From jason_zope@yahoo.com  Sat May 12 04:08:23 2001
From: jason_zope@yahoo.com (Jason Byron)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:08:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] page templates - render all of request?
Message-ID: <20010512030823.10091.qmail@web4605.mail.yahoo.com>

How do you get page templates to render the request
without escaping the html?

If I use this:

<div tal:replace="request"/>

I get the request table html all html_quoted like.

I guess "un_html_quote" is what I want.

Any ideas?


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From zope@thewebsons.com  Sat May 12 03:14:04 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:14:04 -0700
Subject: [Zope] So...Zope Really DOES Choke And No One Knows Why?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010511191018.009ddc50@thewebsons.com>

Wonderful, just wonderful. Ahh, the joys of being on the cutting edge. So 
if my installation of Zope chokes regularly-- like every few hours-- and 
apparently I'm not alone, then I guess the only way to take care of the 
problem (until someone nails it in the source code) is to write a cron 
script that tests, I reckon, port 8080, every 5 minutes or so. How do I 
test this? ping won't do it. Does anyone have a cron script written that 
they'd care to share?
TIA,
BenO



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Sat May 12 04:28:53 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:28:53 -0400
Subject: [Zope] sign 'o the times
Message-ID: <000b01c0da93$abcf2160$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

While browsing this afternoon, I picked out of the the rack the June copy of
British computer magazine  'PCPLUS' [www.pcplus.co.uk]. The magazine is
sealed in a glitzy silver foil bag,and  emblazoned with crude red and black
promo typography:

OVER 4,000 POUNDS of FULL Softare with this isse.

2 X CD BONANZA
- Migrografix Picture Publisher
- ASP Edit 2000
- Perl LEditor 2.2
- Access Payroll
- Ashampoo Uninstaller
- LINUX (includes Nautilus 1.0 and Zope)



./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']




From evan@4-am.com  Sat May 12 04:36:58 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:36:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] page templates - render all of request?
References: <20010512030823.10091.qmail@web4605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001901c0da94$cd784480$0100a8c0@ehome>

From: "Jason Byron" <jason_zope@yahoo.com>
> How do you get page templates to render the request
> without escaping the html?
>
> <div tal:replace="request"/>

<div tal:replace="structure request" />

The default is "text", which quotes html.  If you have further questions or
other feedback, please come join the ZPT list!

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From bill@libc.org  Sat May 12 05:20:12 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 11 May 2001 22:20:12 -0600
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <001901c0da5a$124e0a30$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
References: <989606626.9772.0.camel@locutus>
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105111253320.16199-100000@localhost.localdomain>
 <20010511150910.B5016@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>
 <001901c0da5a$124e0a30$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <989641212.10476.0.camel@locutus>

On 11 May 2001 13:36:34 -0700, Andy McKay wrote:
> I really dont see the problem:
> 
> Advantage:
> - simple clear which list you are talking about.
> - filters people who reply directly to you rather than to the list (useful)

 This is far from limited to adding a non-conmformant header munging
activity. Filtering ont he To/mailinst List headers will do _exactly_
the same thing, and those are there by nature. Adding the [foo] list
identifier is redundant any way you look at it. As it is redundant, it
is therefore unnecesary. Whether you or I like it or not, that is a
fact.

 
> Disadvantage:
> - 6 extra characters in the subject line
> 
> What am I missing?

The other lists? ;^)

 Evolution/Elm/Pine/procmail/mutt/netscape/Oulook Express/Outlook make
it simple to set up filtering on the "To:" header. I'd wager that these
clients/users account for more than '1%' of the Zope list users as some
have tossed around. Some, such as Evolution, and I'd wager Outlook, can
do it _automatically_ by selecting an option. No Knowledge Required.

 Of course, some people don't give a rats behind about standards, but
then again, those same people shouldn't then complain about other
people/companies violating standards. ;)

 I supose that we could make a Zope product to change the title of
objects to include some sorting qualifier ... ;^)= Same principle.

 While I fully understand people not wanting to change their filters, it
smacks of "well it has always been done this way, must be good let's not
change it." And that sentiment doesn't sit well with me.

 But oh well, judging by previous polls, not many would participate,
which would leave us with looking at the archives. There are more people
complaining about the current setup than there are peole defending it
(with any reasoning other than whining).

 Personally, I filter on the To and when available, the mailing list
headers. As such, mail send directly to me stays in my inbox, and mail
sent to the list goes to the list folder. By doing this, each list is in
it's own, isolated view, thus providing me with easy visual separation
of lists. In addition, it s easy to se email sent to me.

 This provides me with every single 'advantage' you listed, thus, from
that standpoint, the subject munging provides none of your advantages
(an advantage would mean the other method(s) do _not_ provide that
capability), and still leaves us with your stated disadvantage. ;^)

Bill





From paul@calendargalaxy.com  Sat May 12 05:55:42 2001
From: paul@calendargalaxy.com (Paul Winkler)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:55:42 -0400
Subject: [Zope] So...Zope Really DOES Choke And No One Knows Why?
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010511191018.009ddc50@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <3AFCC24E.91EEB2A@calendargalaxy.com>

Ben Ocean wrote:
> 
> Wonderful, just wonderful. Ahh, the joys of being on the cutting edge. So
> if my installation of Zope chokes regularly-- like every few hours-- and
> apparently I'm not alone, then I guess the only way to take care of the
> problem (until someone nails it in the source code) is to write a cron
> script that tests, I reckon, port 8080, every 5 minutes or so. How do I
> test this? ping won't do it. Does anyone have a cron script written that
> they'd care to share?
> TIA,
> BenO

No, but the first thing that comes to mind is this:
You say "ping" and "cron" so I'm guessing you're on some
unix-like OS. OK then, read the wget man page and try this:
(WARNING- UNTESTED!!)

#!/bin/sh

zope_is_alive="wget -q -t 3 -T 30 http://my_zope_site/index_html
-O /dev/null"

if zope_is_alive; then
	echo `date` "and all's well"
else
	echo "Oh my god! They killed Zope! You bastards!"
	zope start
fi
	

Call that shell script with cron and there you go.
I think. 

-- 
...................    paul winkler   ....................
custom calendars & printing: http://www.calendargalaxy.com
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            home page:  http://www.slinkp.com


From augusto@artlover.com  Sat May 12 08:02:11 2001
From: augusto@artlover.com (Ausum)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 02:02:11 -0500
Subject: [Zope] WYSIWYG HTML applets to get rid of the textareas for HTML
 input?
References: <3AFBE5E0.30249.B9A9EAA@localhost>
Message-ID: <3AFCDFF3.101C9A9D@artlover.com>

Yes, there is the Johanc's IEMethod Product, that works only for IE5.0

http://www.zope.org/Members/johanc/IEMethod/IEMethod/


Ausum


Scott Chapman wrote:
> 
> I found a Java applet that allows you to edit HTML right in a web page,
> replacing a textarea with a WYSIWYG HTML editor. It occured to me that
> this would be a fabulous thing to use with Zope to do away with textarea
> inputs for HTML.  Is anyone doing this?
> 
> These tools are not free :-( but they are not very expensive either:
> 
> Cross Platform (Java Applet) implementation of this. (This is the one I'm
> interested in):
> http://www.realobjects.de/index.htm?/english/editonpro_e.htm
> 
> Windows tools that do this:
> http://www.ektron.com/ewebeditpro.cfm?doc_id=1035
> http://www.mifo.com/comgistics.htm
> http://www.editlive.com/product/
> 
> How would you make Zope serve up a java applet without having to run
> Apache just for applet serving?
> 
> How hard would it be to make Zope put this type of stuff in the management
> pages where ever a text box is currently used to grab HTML input?
> > <HEAD>
> > <SCRIPT ID=clientEventHandlersJS LANGUAGE=javascript>
> > <!--
> > function scriptForm_onsubmit() {
> >  document.scriptForm.HTMLText.value =
> >  document.editor.getHTMLData("http://");
> > }
> > //-->
> > </HEAD>
> >
> > <BODY>
> > <FORM name="scriptForm" method="post" action="test1.asp"
> > LANGUAGE=javascript onsubmit="return scriptForm_onsubmit()"
> > target="_blank">
> >
> >
> > <APPLET id="editor" name="editor" code="EditorApplet"
> > archive="edit-on-pro.jar" height=400 width=600 VIEWASTEXT>
> >
> >
> >   <PARAM name="CODEBASE" value="../../eopro/">
> >
> >   <param name="CABBASE" value="edit-on-pro-signed.cab">
> >          <param name="LOCALE" value="en_US">
> >          <param name="BUTTONORDER" value="toolbar.txt">
> >          <param name="BODYONLY" value="true">
> >          <param name="TEXTMODE" value="TRUE">
> >          <param name="SOURCEVIEW" value="TRUE">
> >   <param name="DEFAULTBACKGROUNDCOLOR" value="white">
> > </APPLET>
> 
> I don't get into Zope internals at all yet so this is beyond my knowlege. Is this
> a viable solution?
> 
> Scott
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jwm@plain.co.nz  Sat May 12 08:05:03 2001
From: jwm@plain.co.nz (John Morton)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:05:03 +1200
Subject: [Zope] Postgres and transactions
In-Reply-To: <3AFB67CC.F445E7AF@tm.ee>
References: <01051116572106.06701@antares> <3AFB67CC.F445E7AF@tm.ee>
Message-ID: <01051219050301.16521@antares>

On Friday 11 May 2001 16:17, Hannu Krosing wrote:
>  John Morton wrote:
>  > I'm attempting to use a ZSQL method to create a new user in a postgr=
esql
>  > database (in the CREATE USER... sense), using Popy and postgres 7.0.=
 The
>  > problem is that CREATE USER throws an error if you use it inside an
>  > explicit transaction.
>
>  I see no problem here:
>
>  hannu=3D# begin;
>  BEGIN
>  hannu=3D#  create user hu;
>  CREATE USER
>  hannu=3D# commit;
>  COMMIT
>  hannu=3D#

I'm using postgres 7.0.3, snarfed from woody and built for potato, and I =
did
test it with the psql console. I suspect that the behaviour has changed=20
between 6.4 and 7 as create user supports group settings - necessitating=20
insert/updates to two tables, and therefore wraping the lot in a transact=
ion
to keep create user an atomic statement. Guess you can't nest transaction=
s :-)

I think I'll update pg_user by hand for the time being, to get around the=
=20
problem.

John


From philippe.jadin@123piano.com  Sat May 12 09:55:08 2001
From: philippe.jadin@123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:55:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] So...Zope Really DOES Choke And No One Knows Why?
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010511191018.009ddc50@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <000601c0dac8$bb3b1660$e399043e@r3g4p8>

> Wonderful, just wonderful. Ahh, the joys of being on the cutting edge. So
> if my installation of Zope chokes regularly-- like every few hours-- and
> apparently I'm not alone, then I guess the only way to take care of the
> problem (until someone nails it in the source code) is to write a cron
> script that tests, I reckon, port 8080, every 5 minutes or so. How do I
> test this? ping won't do it. Does anyone have a cron script written that
> they'd care to share?

I personally have installed zope on a shared hosting. It is running since
the first ./start, and I never got problem. To be sure everything is ok, you
can use "uptime", a free hosted service which will test your server every 15
minutes. It will not only tell you that zope is running, but also the
webserver itself;-) That's what I do "in case of".

http://uptime.arsdigita.com/uptime/about.tcl

Philippe Jadin
123piano.com



From dieter@handshake.de  Sat May 12 14:40:37 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:40:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] my solution to #include in DocumentTemplate
In-Reply-To: <874479493@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15101.15701.965749.565188@lindm.dm>

Lance E Sloan writes:
 > ...
 > What I was looking for was
 > something like:
 > 
 > 	<!--#include file="../path/to/filename.dtml" -->
 > 
 > in a DTML file to include another DTML file, recursively.  I
 > ended up doing this:
 > 
 > 	<!--#with "_(incDoc = DocumentTemplate.HTMLFile('../path/to/file.dtml'))"
 > 	-->
 > 	<!--#var expr="incDoc(x = x)" -->
 > 	<!--#/with -->
Interesting that "DocumentTemplate" is exposed this way.

Will hopefully not work inside Zope (potential security risk).

 > It works well.  The only problem is that for every object I want
 > to pass to the included document must be specified individually
 > (x = x).  I tried these but they didn't work:
You should learn about the two (optional) positional arguments
of "DocumentTemplate.HTMLFile.__call__".
One source is the DTML section of

  URL:http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope/book/chap3.html

If you pass "_" as second parameter:

   <dtml-var expr="incDoc(_.None,_,x=x)">

or simply use

   <dtml-var incDoc>

then your incDoc should have access to the name in the calling
namespace.


Dieter


From dieter@handshake.de  Sat May 12 14:35:00 2001
From: dieter@handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:35:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Disappearing images in python product...
In-Reply-To: <926425269@toto.iv>
Message-ID: <15101.15364.973386.865535@lindm.dm>

sean.upton@uniontrib.com writes:
 > I have a class in a python product that defines the following:
 > 	manage_admain = Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/editForm', globals())
 > 	editad_image = Globals.ImageFile('images/editad.png', globals())
 > 
 > Within dtml/editForm.dtml:
 > 	<dtml-var editad_image>
 > 
 > I used this to display an image within a managment interface page I had set
 > up.
 > 
 > The image won't load (it is missing).  This used to work, but at some point
 > recently became broken.  I'm not sure why; I can't pinpoint exactly when it
 > happened.  At some point, I changed the meta-type of this class, but I think
 > that is all I have really done...
If you apply "dtml-var" on an image object, it should produce
an "<img src='...'>" tag.

Did you look at this tag (in the HTML source)?
Is it correct?
If not, then the way it is wrong, can give you a hint.

If it would be correct, one would need to understand why
URL traversal can no longer reach it.

I assume, it is part of your product class?
Then it should be accessible by "<URL for your product instance>/editad_image".
Try to access it this way directly (entering the URL in the
browser directly). This should give you quite a good problem message..


Dieter


From arkaitz@euskalcom.net  Sat May 12 17:00:57 2001
From: arkaitz@euskalcom.net (Arkaitz Bitorika)
Date: 12 May 2001 18:00:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how to know the parent folder
Message-ID: <989683264.4971.0.camel@basajaun>

Hi all,

I've got some ZClasses in folderish objets, and I'd like to know how can
I get from each object which is the parent folder in which it is stored.
I guess this a very simple thing, but I haven't found the way yet ;).
Any hint?

TIA,
arkaitz.



From paul@calendargalaxy.com  Sat May 12 17:00:15 2001
From: paul@calendargalaxy.com (Paul Winkler)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:00:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Check for bad links?
Message-ID: <3AFD5E0E.9065C9EA@yahoo.com>

Hi,

Does anyone know a free, Zope-friendly link checker?
It's tedious hunting down bad URLs in my pages by hand.

The link checking programs I've tried don't seem to like Zope...
-- 
...................    paul winkler   ....................
custom calendars & printing: http://www.calendargalaxy.com
       A member of ARMS:   http://www.reacharms.com
            home page:  http://www.slinkp.com


From bz@bwanazulia.com  Sat May 12 17:22:27 2001
From: bz@bwanazulia.com (BZ)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:22:27 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Check for bad links?
In-Reply-To: <3AFD5E0E.9065C9EA@yahoo.com>
References: <3AFD5E0E.9065C9EA@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05100c21b723138f1e32@[10.0.1.25]>

I don't know about a link checker but one thing I have done is to 
edit and error page to send you an email with the error (type) and 
location so you can tell when there is bad link.

BZ

At 12:00 PM -0400 5/12/01, Paul Winkler wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone know a free, Zope-friendly link checker?
>It's tedious hunting down bad URLs in my pages by hand.
>
>The link checking programs I've tried don't seem to like Zope...
>--
>...................    paul winkler   ....................
>custom calendars & printing: http://www.calendargalaxy.com
>        A member of ARMS:   http://www.reacharms.com
>             home page:  http://www.slinkp.com
>
>_______________________________________________
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From bill@libc.org  Sat May 12 17:47:25 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 12 May 2001 10:47:25 -0600
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog (2.3.1) won't acquire method from parent folder?
In-Reply-To: <3AFC9D16.E0648772@iswt.com>
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B30A@desi2>
 <3AFC9D16.E0648772@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <989686045.12181.0.camel@locutus>

On 11 May 2001 21:16:54 -0500, Tim Cook wrote:
> sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> > 
> > Running Zope 2.3.1; A ZCatalog instance that I have won't acquire a method
> 
> I may be 'speaking out of turn' here (a good southern US
> expression). But IMHO, anyone that is using 2.3.1 and having any
> kind of problems, should run, don't walk, to upgrade to 2.3.2.
> >From my experience and from posts on this list I think this is a
> very prudent move.
> 

With the exception that 2.3.2 BREAKS a few things. Some have noted that
due to some changes (ie. in at least one case a move of a file), 2.3.2
breaks login manager.

Bill




From tim@freepm.org  Sat May 12 18:00:33 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:00:33 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog (2.3.1) won't acquire method from parent folder?
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B30A@desi2>
 <3AFC9D16.E0648772@iswt.com> <989686045.12181.0.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <3AFD6C31.6B7C1CEA@iswt.com>

Bill Anderson wrote:

> With the exception that 2.3.2 BREAKS a few things. Some have noted that
> due to some changes (ie. in at least one case a move of a file), 2.3.2
> breaks login manager.

Arrgh! I missed that. But then I don't use login manager.  
Guess I should have been more specific. 
2.3.1 breaks just about everything that uses CatalogAware
ZClasses.

If you use login manager don't upgrade to 2.3.2 <s>

Zope is still a great tool! <s>

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From dan@kronhead.com  Sat May 12 18:17:12 2001
From: dan@kronhead.com (Dan Kronstadt)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Zope] addressbook security
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010512101113.03786bd0@pop.mail.com>

Is anyone using the addressbook by morphex? I am having trouble getting 
security set up so anyone but the folder owner, or maybe someone with the 
manager role, can add new contacts. I suspect the problem may actually be 
with threadsafecounter, rather than with addressbook itself. I have given 
my users EVERY permission listed on the security page and I still get 
prompted for a new signon. My users do exist at a higher level in the 
folder hierarchy than the address book. And I am running this on win2k.

Any suggestions appreciated. I am pretty new to ZOPE, but learning fast.



From lists@kassube.de  Sat May 12 18:14:32 2001
From: lists@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:14:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Concurrency control
Message-ID: <20010512191432.A8604@kursk.kassube.de>

Guten Abend.

According to the Zope Developer's Guide our favourite web application
server prevents dirty reads with his transaction support. Is it possible
to prevent non-repeatable reads and phantom reads, too? Or should I use
a more appropriate tool like PostgreSQL with support for MVCC? Is there
more documentation about Zope's transaction support? (Or is it another
case for "Read the source, Luke"?) 

Cheers,
Nils



From alet@unice.fr  Sat May 12 19:36:09 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:36:09 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [BUG] in OFS/Traversable.py
Message-ID: <20010512203609.A505@nordine.ateur>

Hi,

there's a bug in OFS/Traversable.py

line 169 (on Zope 2.3.0 and 2.3.2) in unrestrictedTravese() there's:

--- CUT ---
if name[0] == '_':
    # Never allowed in a URL.
    raise 'NotFound', name
--- CUT ---

but when calling restrictedTraverse with only '/' as the path argument
the test above raises an IndexError, and it's possible that the rest 
of the function unrestrictedTraverse doesn't work correcly even when 
correcting this bug with a "if name and name[0]=='_'" (UNTESTED).

Example:

make a Python script, which has only the following line:

--- CUT ---
return repr(context.restrictedTraverse('/'))
--- CUT ---

Click on the Test tab, that's it !

Theorically and if I understand correctly what restrictedTraverse and 
unrestrictedTraverse are for, it should return the top level object
i.e. the root folder object or application object.

hoping this helps

Jerome Alet


From antwan@casema.net  Sat May 12 19:51:50 2001
From: antwan@casema.net (Antwan Reijnen)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:51:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Webdav security(hole?)question.
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010512204014.00b36c20@pop.xs4all.nl>

Hi All,

I have a weird security problem with my Zope installation. I'm now running 
Zope 2.3.2 on Windows98, but the problem also occurred in Zope 2.3.1.

I installed a Webfolder in my explorer, to gain access via Webdav to the 
Zope Server. It did'nt require a username/password to gain full access to 
the server... I tried to change my password from within Zope, but that 
did'nt change a thing... I can walk in, without authentication needed...!

I was worried about this, so I decided to test Webdav on some 
Windows2000/IIS5 servers on internet too, to see if they required 
authentication. And a shocking 1 out of 4 servers I tried, where completely 
open to Webdav... I could retrieve directory listings, and I also had WRITE 
privileges. Some very important, large websites contain this accesshole.

How is this possible???? How can I fix this hole in my Zope installation? 
Can I disable Webdav access completely, if there is no short term solution?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance, greetings, Antwan Reijnen.


From chrism@digicool.com  Sat May 12 20:08:03 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:08:03 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Webdav security(hole?)question.
References: <4.2.0.58.20010512204014.00b36c20@pop.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <3AFD8A13.E793BF6D@digicool.com>

Hi Antwan,

You're right in stating that this is a security problem.  The fact that
anonymous users can retrieve directory listings is itself a security
problem (and is the reason that the method suite represented by
'objectIds' was protected from TTW access in 2.2.something). 
Unforutunately, currently, the WebDAV implementation is tied up with the
"normal" HTTP server code in such a way that turning WebDAV off
independently of other HTTP requests is not possible.  This also needs
to be fixed or addressed in another way.

That said, I'm suspicious of the claim that via WebDAV, you're able to
subvert the Zope security policy in any way, because it's the same one
that's used by "normal" HTTP access.  For example, if you're able to
change the body of a DTML method via WebDAV on your site, it's likely
because the permission "Add Documents, Images, and Files" (or perhaps
"Change DTML Methods") is provided to the Anonymous user respective to
the object itself.  Likewise, if you can PUT a DTML document into a
folder as the anonymous user, it's likely because the "Add Documents,
Images, and Files" permission is provided to the Anonymous User
respective to the folder.

Can you provide a specific set of steps using WebDAV that demonstrates a
subversion of your specific security policy?

- C

Antwan Reijnen wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a weird security problem with my Zope installation. I'm now running
> Zope 2.3.2 on Windows98, but the problem also occurred in Zope 2.3.1.
> 
> I installed a Webfolder in my explorer, to gain access via Webdav to the
> Zope Server. It did'nt require a username/password to gain full access to
> the server... I tried to change my password from within Zope, but that
> did'nt change a thing... I can walk in, without authentication needed...!
> 
> I was worried about this, so I decided to test Webdav on some
> Windows2000/IIS5 servers on internet too, to see if they required
> authentication. And a shocking 1 out of 4 servers I tried, where completely
> open to Webdav... I could retrieve directory listings, and I also had WRITE
> privileges. Some very important, large websites contain this accesshole.
> 
> How is this possible???? How can I fix this hole in my Zope installation?
> Can I disable Webdav access completely, if there is no short term solution?
> 
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance, greetings, Antwan Reijnen.
> 
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From tim@freepm.org  Sat May 12 20:49:21 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:49:21 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Webdav security(hole?)question.
References: <4.2.0.58.20010512204014.00b36c20@pop.xs4all.nl> <3AFD8A13.E793BF6D@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3AFD93C1.826EFB8@iswt.com>

Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> Hi Antwan,

> That said, I'm suspicious of the claim that via WebDAV, you're able to
> subvert the Zope security policy in any way, because it's the same one
> that's used by "normal" HTTP access.  For example, if you're able to
> change the body of a DTML method via WebDAV on your site, it's likely
> because the permission "Add Documents, Images, and Files" (or perhaps
> "Change DTML Methods") is provided to the Anonymous user respective to
> the object itself.  Likewise, if you can PUT a DTML document into a
> folder as the anonymous user, it's likely because the "Add Documents,
> Images, and Files" permission is provided to the Anonymous User
> respective to the folder.
> 
> Can you provide a specific set of steps using WebDAV that demonstrates a
> subversion of your specific security policy?

I also am suspicious. I have not tried a MS client but did use
cadaver to test WebDav access last week and it prompted for a
password as it should.

Antwan, feel free to hit the DEMO site below and let me know if
you trash my demo <s>.
Thanks,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From tim@freepm.org  Sat May 12 20:53:38 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:53:38 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Webdav security(hole?)question.
References: <4.2.0.58.20010512204014.00b36c20@pop.xs4all.nl> <3AFD8A13.E793BF6D@digicool.com> <3AFD93C1.826EFB8@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <3AFD94C2.830A47CB@iswt.com>

Tim Cook wrote:

> Antwan, feel free to hit the DEMO site below and let me know if
> you trash my demo <s>.

I should clarify that. The application is open to use for
Anonymous Users.  But you shouldn't be able to visit a management
screen.

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From arkaitz@euskalcom.net  Sat May 12 22:14:15 2001
From: arkaitz@euskalcom.net (Arkaitz Bitorika)
Date: 12 May 2001 23:14:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope] security questions
Message-ID: <989702057.5952.0.camel@basajaun>

Hi all,

I'm learning about the Zope security system, and have a couple of
questions that I coulnd't find an answer for:
    * Even though in my acl_users folder in Root the Anonymous sole has
    no permissions enabled, I can access as anonymous to any page, why's
    this?
    * The Zope Book says that in the security tab there is a text entry
    that allows adding user defined roles. I don't see that entry, I
    only get the permissions/roles table. I'm logged in as admin all the
    time. How can I define a new role?
    * I will have editors on my site, who should be able to edit/add
    content, but not to change scripts, or other things. Is it a good
    idea to define an "editor" role for them and then adjust the
    pemissions accordingly?
Sorry for the number of questions, and I'd appreciate any pointer to
info or solutions about them. 

TIA,
Arkaitz.



From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be  Sat May 12 22:48:21 2001
From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:48:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Creating your own list to use with dtml-in
Message-ID: <000901c0db2d$4513a320$638c84d5@upc.chello.be>

Hi,

 Can somebody tell me how I can create a list which returns a same list as
with an zsqlmethod?

for instance the following list

 {5:{name:'tom', address:'xxx'}, 7:{name:'Lies', address:'xxx'}}

Now, I would like to use it as

<dtml-in list>
   <dtml-var address>
</dtml-in>

Can somebody tell me how to do this?

Thanks, Tom



From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Sat May 12 23:35:40 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:35:40 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog (2.3.1) won't acquire method from parent fold er?
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B30B@desi2>

A follow-up:  After upgrading to 2.3.2, and further investigation, I have
found I have a problem, and I have found a workaround.  However, what I have
discovered is that the problem is not one of acquisition; rather, it is an
issue of ZCatalog not cooperating with my DTML methods, residing on disk as
part of my Python product.  

So, in a slightly different light, here is my problem: if I use one of these
DTML methods as an index, it has problems evaluating code because it (the
Catalog) runs the method, but it will not successfully obtain the namespace
of either the object I am trying to catalog / add, or the namespace of the
acquisition parent of the newly created - just about to be indexed - object.
The implication of this, is that while evaluating the DTML, there is a
NameError raised for ANY call to a method within an object of the class you
are trying to index; I did not try accessing properties, but I assume that
they would suffer the same fate: evaluation of the DTML, being run by the
Catalog as an agent, would fail to resolve the namespace of the object for
which it is trying to index, and this would mean that any calls to
methods/properties of the object from within the DTML would fail with a
NameError, raising an exception that breaks any Catalog Aware object
attempting to use a DTML method as a text index.

My iterateText method resides as a python method BOTH in the class for the
object I just added, and the parent folder (a custom class subclassed from
OFS.Folder) I am adding the object to.  My searchTextWeighted (the method I
am indexing) was a DTML method on disk, referenced with 
	searchTextWeighted = Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/searchTextWeighted',
globals())

...I changed this to a python method within the class, and this fixed the
problem, but not in the way I necessarily want. What I am hoping to be able
to do is create templates that get indexed, so that modifying an existing
indexed 'field' does not require directly modifying the class itself, only
the DTML methods to which the class refers to.

Why won't ZCatalog use the namespace of the object it is attempting to index
to run these methods, which belong to the class of those objects?  It seems
like if it did, there would be no problem doing what I originally set out to
do.  Is this a bug, or am I going about doing this the wrong way?

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.  For now, I can live with my
workaround...

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com [mailto:sean.upton@uniontrib.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:44 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog (2.3.1) won't acquire method from parent
folder?


Running Zope 2.3.1; A ZCatalog instance that I have won't acquire a method
from the parent folder it resides in; I get a NameError on the method.  This
is very strange.  The method is called from another method whose results are
supposed to be indexed.

+Zope Root
  +Classifieds	(Container, Subclassed from
				Folder, contains a method called
			  	iterateText(self, text, times))
     Catalog	(ZCatalog)
  
I have a text index set up for a method called searchTextWeighted, which is
a DTML template file on disk within a python product.  Inside
searchTextWeighted, I have the following DTML:
	<dtml-var expr="iterateText(getTitleExpanded(), 5)">

iterateText is a method of a python class that is subclassed from
ZCatalog.CatalogAware and OFS.Folder.Folder:

	def iterateText(self, text, times):
        	"""Repeats output of text times # of lines for # of times"""
        	result=''
		times=int(times)
        	for item in range(times):
        	  result=result+text+'\n'
        	return result

I get a name error for iterateText upon trying to add a catalog-Aware class,
when index_objects() is run (I just made this class Catalog-aware).  This is
weird, since, in terms of namespaces, iterateText is in a folder above the
Catalog, and also above the item I am trying to ad, so no matter how you
look at it, iterateText should be acquired, and not generate a Name Error.
In testing this out, I am able to traverse to iterateText via URL in a
browser with no problems.

I assume that this is not related to the ZCatalog bug in 2.3.1 where the
Catalog won't run a method requiring arguments.  The method in the index,
searchTextWeighted, passes all the arguments needed by iterateText in the
DTML.  So I am a bit confused here.

Traceback is below.

------------------------

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: manage_addAdItem)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
    (Object: manage_addAdItem)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/DailyClassifieds/item.py, line 251,
in manage_addAdItem
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 302, in
_setObject
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/CatalogAwareness.py, line
114, in manage_afterAdd
    (Object: CatalogAware)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/CatalogAwareness.py, line
184, in index_object
    (Object: CatalogAware)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/ZCatalog.py, line 429, in
catalog_object
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/ZCatalog/Catalog.py, line 448, in
catalogObject
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/SearchIndex/UnTextIndex.py, line 323, in
index_object
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 127, in __call__
    (Object: searchTextWeighted)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 538, in
__call__
    (Object: searchTextWeighted)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 334, in
eval
    (Object: iterateText(getTitleExpanded(), 5))
    (Info: iterateText)
  File &lt;string&gt;, line 0, in ?
NameError: (see above)
----------------------

Sean

=========================
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Senior Programmer/Analyst
SignOnSanDiego.com
The San Diego Union-Tribune
619.718.5241
sean.upton@uniontrib.com
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From dan@caliginous.com  Sun May 13 00:29:31 2001
From: dan@caliginous.com (Dan Jacobs)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:29:31 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope] No module named ST???
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105130027130.26643-100000@mail.caliginous.com>

Hi All,

I've just started getting the error "ImportError: No module named ST" when
trying to use the online zope tutorial and Zwiki.  It seems to have
started when I upgraded from 2.3.1 to 2.3.2 but it could be something else
as I've been adding/deleting a few products.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Dan









From kosh@aesaeion.com  Sat May 12 20:31:43 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:31:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] security questions
In-Reply-To: <989702057.5952.0.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105121928580.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>

1 Go to your root folder and click on security in it. You probably have
anonymous view set there.

2 In that same location at the very bottom of the screen there is a place
to type in the name of a new role. It is called User defined roles type
the name of one in and click add. You can then modify that role.

3. It is a good idea to make an editor role and give them the permissions
they will need.

Log onto irc.openprojects.net #zope there is usually someone around who
can help with problems like this.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On 12 May 2001, Arkaitz Bitorika wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm learning about the Zope security system, and have a couple of
> questions that I coulnd't find an answer for:
>     * Even though in my acl_users folder in Root the Anonymous sole has
>     no permissions enabled, I can access as anonymous to any page, why's
>     this?
>     * The Zope Book says that in the security tab there is a text entry
>     that allows adding user defined roles. I don't see that entry, I
>     only get the permissions/roles table. I'm logged in as admin all the
>     time. How can I define a new role?
>     * I will have editors on my site, who should be able to edit/add
>     content, but not to change scripts, or other things. Is it a good
>     idea to define an "editor" role for them and then adjust the
>     pemissions accordingly?
> Sorry for the number of questions, and I'd appreciate any pointer to
> info or solutions about them.
>
> TIA,
> Arkaitz.
>
>
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From mindlace@digicool.com  Sun May 13 06:57:25 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 01:57:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZWN - didn't they say it would be weekly?
In-Reply-To: <20010512030353.26838.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <163090000.989733445@orlog>

--On 05/11/01 20:03:53 -0700 Jason Byron chiseled:

> Didn't they say it would be weekly?
>
> Can't get enough of that zope stuff.

Tonight.  8 days ... almost weekly. Sorry, friday was a 24hr day for me and 
so i'm a touch lagged.
--
-mindlace-
zopatista community liason


From runyaga@thisbox.com  Sun May 13 09:27:19 2001
From: runyaga@thisbox.com (alan runyan)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 03:27:19 -0500
Subject: [Zope] get a object using its id inside a pythong script
Message-ID: <000b01c0db86$87022820$1701640a@pythonic>

retObjs = []

"""
this is very inefficient, but works ;(

for award in context.assignedAwards:
    for objId in context.marketingAwards.objectIds():
        if award==objId:
            retObjs.append(objId)
"""

for award in context.assignedAwards:
    if award in context.marketingAwards.objectIds():
        retObjs.append(context.marketingAwards.award)       #get a award
Attribute Error.. how do i do this?
#appears in DTML you would use teh _.getitem(objId) hack, where is getitem?

return retObjs

Question 1: how can i please do this efficiently?
Question 2: why doesnt ObjectManager have a getObject(self, objectId) method
on it?  or am i overlooking something?
Question 3:  abit off topic-- are people generally happy w/ data centric
ZClasses?  some people scare me with their experiences, but it seems that
purely data centric ZClasses (although can be brittle) -- are nonviolatile
things.  I am pushing ZOPE as a solution and am selling ZClasses very
heavy -- nonprogrammers will be maintaing the system after its done.
(service oriented objects - I would do in Python)

thanks in advance,
~runyaga




From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Sun May 13 09:52:26 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 12:52:26 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] get a object using its id inside a pythong script
In-Reply-To: <000b01c0db86$87022820$1701640a@pythonic>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105131247110.32493-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Sun, 13 May 2001, alan runyan wrote:
> for award in context.assignedAwards:
>     if award in context.marketingAwards.objectIds():
>         retObjs.append(context.marketingAwards.award)       #get a award
> Attribute Error.. how do i do this?
> #appears in DTML you would use teh _.getitem(objId) hack, where is getitem?

Error beacuse
   retObjs.append(context.marketingAwards.award)
is equivalent to
   retObjs.append(getattr(context.marketingAwards, "award"))
and there is no "award" in Awards!

So use
<untested>
   retObjs.append(getattr(context.marketingAwards, award))
</untested>

> Question 1: how can i please do this efficiently?

   I suppose:

awards = context.marketingAwards.objectIds()
for award in context.assignedAwards:
   if award in awards:
      retObjs.append(getattr(context.marketingAwards, award))

> Question 2: why doesnt ObjectManager have a getObject(self, objectId) method
> on it?  or am i overlooking something?

   I think you can just use getattr or context.marketingAwards[award].

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>  Sun May 13 11:06:13 2001
From: Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net> (Oliver Bleutgen)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 12:06:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog (2.3.1) won't acquire method from parent fold er?
Message-ID: <14ysZv-0db2e0C@fmrl04.sul.t-online.com>

> So, in a slightly different light, here is my problem: if I use one of
> these
> DTML methods as an index, it has problems evaluating code because it (the
> Catalog) runs the method, but it will not successfully obtain the
> namespace
> of either the object I am trying to catalog / add, or the namespace of the
> acquisition parent of the newly created - just about to be indexed -
> object.
> The implication of this, is that while evaluating the DTML, there is a
> NameError raised for ANY call to a method within an object of the class
> you
> are trying to index; I did not try accessing properties, but I assume that
> they would suffer the same fate: evaluation of the DTML, being run by the
> Catalog as an agent, would fail to resolve the namespace of the object for
> which it is trying to index, and this would mean that any calls to
> methods/properties of the object from within the DTML would fail with a
> NameError, raising an exception that breaks any Catalog Aware object
> attempting to use a DTML method as a text index.


I think i have the same problem. I have a method inside a (folderish) 
zclass instance which calls another method some levels up via dtml-var.
This breaks adding the classes via "find objects to catalog" - 
i.e. I get said name error.
I guess this is also the reason why importing the top-level folder, 
which contains the zcatalog, of that site breaks - I get the same error.

cheers,
oliver




From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be  Sun May 13 14:00:50 2001
From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:00:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope] attribute error?
Message-ID: <001901c0dbac$be2aaea0$638c84d5@upc.chello.be>

Why does the following script returns an attribute error?

for x in context.shopping_cart.test3:
  print x

while test3 only contains 

return [1,2]

Tom.



From Jeff Sasmor" <jsasmor@gte.net  Sun May 13 15:40:06 2001
From: Jeff Sasmor" <jsasmor@gte.net (Jeff Sasmor)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 10:40:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope] attribute error?
Message-ID: <001701c0dbba$9b671d00$0201a8c0@sietch>

I don't use python scripts, but wouldn't it be
correct to use

for x in context.shopping_cart.test3():

instead, since test3 appears to be a function..

jeff sasmor

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Deprez <tom.deprez@village.uunet.be>
To: zope@zope.org <zope@zope.org>
Date: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:57 AM
Subject: [Zope] attribute error?


Why does the following script returns an attribute error?

for x in context.shopping_cart.test3:
  print x

while test3 only contains 

return [1,2]

Tom.


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From neilblue@bigfoot.com  Sun May 13 22:44:04 2001
From: neilblue@bigfoot.com (Neil Blue)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:44:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Trailing 'L' after number values
Message-ID: <3AFF0024.30701@bigfoot.com>

Hello,

I am getting integer numbers from mysql with a select clause. The values 
are stored as int types, however when I retrieve them via a Z SQL method 
and show them on a page, they display with a trailing 'L'.

e.g.

12L

instead of

12

Does anyone know why this happens. It also occurs when I test an sql 
statement. However it has only recently started to do this and I am not 
sure why.

Thanks
Neil Blue



From tane@zzict.com  Sun May 13 18:18:04 2001
From: tane@zzict.com (tane@zzict.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 19:18:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Catalog Program
Message-ID: <20010513191804.A21910@scrooge.zzict.com>

Hi,

I am building a music database program, and I am having a problem.

First off, this is the structure:

ZMusicBase---
                    |
                    zmbAlbum---
                                      |
                                      zmbTrack

The catalog for the product is created in the ZMusicBase directory.  When I
try to add a zmbAlbum (which has an Object Manager class) I get an error:

Error Type: NameError
Error Value: manage_editCataloger

In the zmbAlbum_add file, the code looks like this:

<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('zmb', ZopeTime().strftime('%Y%m%d%H%M%S'))">
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('id',_.str(zmb))">

<dtml-with "zmbAlbum.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST)">

       <dtml-call
"propertysheets.zmbAlbumProperties.manage_editProperties(REQUEST)">

<dtml-call "manage_editCataloger('zmbCatalog')">
<dtml-call reindex_object>

</dtml-with>

Can anyone see a problem in this?

Tane Piper
Lead Designer - ZZICT Entertainment
http://www.legiongame.nl




From jleach@mail.ocis.net  Sun May 13 18:54:19 2001
From: jleach@mail.ocis.net (Jason C. Leach)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 10:54:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Auth w/ Virt. hosting
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105131052540.16728-100000@praha>

hi,

I have 3 sites hosted on 1 zope server. Apache is on the front re-writing
the URLs and interacting w/ SiteRoot on Zope.  Zope seems to always ask me
for a user/pass when I do somehting like edit a file or change
folders.  Is this just the way it is, or can I get around it?

j.

......................
..... Jason C. Leach
... University College of the Cariboo.
.. 



From jason_zope@yahoo.com  Sun May 13 19:02:13 2001
From: jason_zope@yahoo.com (Jason Byron)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 11:02:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Trailing 'L' after number values
In-Reply-To: <3AFF0024.30701@bigfoot.com>
Message-ID: <20010513180213.14201.qmail@web4604.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Neil Blue <neilblue@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am getting integer numbers from mysql with a
> select clause. The values 
> are stored as int types, however when I retrieve
> them via a Z SQL method 
> and show them on a page, they display with a
> trailing 'L'.
> 
> e.g.
> 
> 12L
> 
> instead of
> 
> 12
> 
> Does anyone know why this happens. It also occurs
> when I test an sql 
> statement. However it has only recently started to
> do this and I am not 
> sure why.
> 

You may have updated your database adapter.  this
is the defalt behavior for python 1.5.  It
happened to me when I moved from one database 
adapter (and python interface) to another.  
You'll just have to cast your results to an 
int for now (int(val) or "_.int(val)").

I've heard that the behavior of python 2 changes
this.

jason





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From joe@iuveno-net.de  Sun May 13 20:08:35 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:08:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Webdav security(hole?)question.
References: <4.2.0.58.20010512204014.00b36c20@pop.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <002501c0dbe0$1c30eea0$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> I have a weird security problem with my Zope installation. I'm now running
> Zope 2.3.2 on Windows98, but the problem also occurred in Zope 2.3.1.
>
> I installed a Webfolder in my explorer, to gain access via Webdav to the
> Zope Server. It did'nt require a username/password to gain full access to
> the server... I tried to change my password from within Zope, but that
> did'nt change a thing... I can walk in, without authentication needed...!

I have come across this "problem" a couple of months ago. One additional
thing that irritated me was that MS Explorer stores all the WebDAV passwords
if you don't switch this off explicitly. But as has been said before, WebDAV
in Zope is not any more secure or insecure than HTTP access via the browser.
I don't even think that it makes any sense to have a separate security
scheme for WebDAV (or FTP or XML-RPC, to name a view others). If you think
that anonymous users should be able to do something to a resource via the
browser, we shouldn't they be able to do the same thing using a different
client?

Joachim



From joe@iuveno-net.de  Sun May 13 20:17:39 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:17:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] WYSIWYG HTML applets to get rid of the textareas for HTML input?
References: <3AFBE5E0.30249.B9A9EAA@localhost>
Message-ID: <003d01c0dbe1$60b9fca0$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> How would you make Zope serve up a java applet without having to run
> Apache just for applet serving?

Zope can serve any file, so you can of course serve Java applets from Zope.
Just upload them and link to them. Remember that Java code in applets is run
on the client computer, so the server does not have to know anything about
it.

> How hard would it be to make Zope put this type of stuff in the management
> pages where ever a text box is currently used to grab HTML input?

It is not very difficult. The management pages are plain HTML/DTML and could
very easily be rewritten. If you are on the Windows platform, I think it
makes more sense to use tools like IEMethods (mentioned by Ausum in the
other post). It is designed to work as a separate type of DTMLMethod, but
you can use the same code to manipulate any HTML code. I just moved the code
to the Zope instance and now use it as a method that can be acquired. E.g.
if it is called "edit", you can do "MyDTMLMethod/edit".

On Linux (taking about the server now) you will have to repair IEMethods, as
it does not care about Unix being case-sensitive with filenames. If I have
more time, I will publish a patched version ...

Joachim




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun May 13 20:18:01 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:18:01 +0100
Subject: zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started:my
 Method  to stop zope dead:
References: <15100.17139.266562.325235@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <3AFEDDE9.44D3B23A@nipltd.com>

Dieter Maurer wrote:
> 
>   Then I activated a checker, that checks availability
>   every 5 minutes. The problem went away. Since then,
>   Zope never hung again.
> 
>   Maybe, Zope does not like to be lazy?

Joking aside, I'm almost inclined to agree with this. Our server that has a
habit of dying can lie dormant for a few hours and that's when it seems likely
to die most.

Am I mad or is this worth looking into?

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun May 13 20:20:30 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:20:30 +0100
Subject: [Zope] help
References: <20010511172913.42029.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AFEDE7E.9DF1C96A@nipltd.com>

"DragonWolf Cmdr. Kilmarac" wrote:
> 
> I have a problem, I upgraded to the most recent
> version of Zope.  Now when I try to approve a post in
> Squishdot, I get this.
> 
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this
> resource.
> 
> Error Type: AttributeError
> Error Value: catalog_object

My fault :-)

I'm releasing 1.1.1 (hopefully tonight)
This was actually the result of a packaging error. If you get 1.1.1 from
_SourceForge_, it should work just fine :-S

cheers,

Chris

(Hey, this is Open Source, they said release early and often ;-)


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun May 13 20:22:47 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:22:47 +0100
Subject: [Zope] [REQ] Squishdot 0.3.2
References: <06de01c0da34$8924d1a0$0301a8c0@provence>
Message-ID: <3AFEDF07.A426813D@nipltd.com>

> Gilles Lenfant wrote:
> 
> I need to migrate/upgrade an old Zope/Squishdot to a new server with the
> latest versions of Zope Squishdot.
> I failed importing directly the posts. So I need to have the Old Squishdot
> 0.3.2 an migrate progressively to the latest version.

In what way does it fail?
What version of Squishdot are you coming from?

> 1/ Has somebody got aroadmap for doing this safely.
> 2/ Who can send me a tgz of Squishdot 0.3.2. (Can't find it at squishdot or
> zope sites!)

I recently took Gnotices from 0.1.something straight into 1.0.0, so there's hope
;-)

cheers,

Chris

(PS squishdot@yahoogroups.com is the Squishdot list :-)


From nika@kassube.de  Sun May 13 20:23:35 2001
From: nika@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:23:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Konqueror and enctype="multipart/form-data"
Message-ID: <20010513212335.A13683@kursk.kassube.de>

Guten Abend.

After spending too much time trying to understand why the STX_Document
product works perfectly with Netscape but doesn't with Konqueror, I
found this: 

If you use a form (in this case: in the edit_form in this product) with
enctype="multipart/form-data", using Konqueror creates an attribute (in
this case: uploaded_body) with a single linefeed character for an empty
file input, using Netscape the attribute is empty. This only happens
when using enctype="multipart/form-data". 

It has already been reported to the KDE Bug Tracking System. 

Cheers,
Nils


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun May 13 20:25:40 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:25:40 +0100
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
References: <3AFC2FB4.2080600@p-wave.com> <033001c0da4f$aa6214c0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <3AFEDFB4.68494F10@nipltd.com>

Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> Note that there is probably not one single cause (or solution) for all of
> the reported "Zope hangs on me" issues.

Just an observation, but reports of this type of hangage seem to have risen
significantly since Zope 2.3.0, I know we hardly ever had a hang before then and
now one of our servers is up and down far too frequently...

cheers,

Chris


From kosh@aesaeion.com  Sun May 13 14:05:47 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:05:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] Konqueror and enctype="multipart/form-data"
In-Reply-To: <20010513212335.A13683@kursk.kassube.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105131303270.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>

I don't think that is the problem. I have many pages that use that and
work perfectly in konqueror. I have version 2.1.1 of konqueror if yours is
lower then that it might have been fixed in that version. I have used
STX_Document with no problems.

I also have some custom forms that have many files, images, textareas that
work correctly in konqueror. Try checking that edit page against
validator.w3.org it could be that something is wrong with the newest
STX_Document which I have not used in a while since I integrated STX
capability into some of my own products.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Sun, 13 May 2001, Nils Kassube wrote:

> Guten Abend.
>
> After spending too much time trying to understand why the STX_Document
> product works perfectly with Netscape but doesn't with Konqueror, I
> found this:
>
> If you use a form (in this case: in the edit_form in this product) with
> enctype="multipart/form-data", using Konqueror creates an attribute (in
> this case: uploaded_body) with a single linefeed character for an empty
> file input, using Netscape the attribute is empty. This only happens
> when using enctype="multipart/form-data".
>
> It has already been reported to the KDE Bug Tracking System.
>
> Cheers,
> Nils
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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>



From nika@kassube.de  Sun May 13 21:27:13 2001
From: nika@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:27:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Konqueror and enctype="multipart/form-data"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105131303270.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>; from kosh@aesaeion.com on Sun, May 13, 2001 at 01:05:47PM +0000
References: <20010513212335.A13683@kursk.kassube.de> <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105131303270.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <20010513222713.A13723@kursk.kassube.de>

* kosh@aesaeion.com <kosh@aesaeion.com> [2001-05-13 15:05]:

> I don't think that is the problem. I have many pages that use that and
> work perfectly in konqueror. I have version 2.1.1 of konqueror if yours is

I use 2.1.1, too. The problem is mentioned in the KDE Bug Tracking 
database:

        http://bugs.kde.org/db/25/25035.html
        http://bugs.kde.org/db/22/22205.html

(I remember getting an LF, not the CR mentioned in report. Could
this be caused by ZPublisher, is the author of the bug report 
wrong or am I stupid? [If I'm stupid, it probably will not be 
a good idea to mention this unfortunate fact. I'm a German.
I will invade (small) countries when I'm in a bad mood.])

The details: 

The "edit" method in the STX_Document product uses an attribute
called body_uploaded to detect if the body_stx should be 
replaced by the content of the file. Using Konqueror always
renders body_uploaded true, although the file variable should
be empty. 

Removing the enctype attribute from the form tag in "edit_form"
solved the issue.

It's a bug, trust me :-)

Cheers,
Nils


From rerla@channing.harvard.edu  Sun May 13 21:32:18 2001
From: rerla@channing.harvard.edu (Ross Lazarus)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:32:18 -0400
Subject: zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started:my
 Method to stop zope dead:
Message-ID: <3AFEEF52.CDA16A68@channing.harvard.edu>

Not mad, definitely worth a poke around.

I noticed this first with 1.10 on a production site. It would chug away
happily during the day then die when I first opened a management screen
the next morning. It seemed that it was that first management screen
which caused bother - when serving ordinary pages after a long period of
inactivity, it seemed happier.... A cron script to restart at 2am every
morning has been running for a long time now and it certainly helps.

>                Dieter Maurer wrote:
>                > 
>                >   Then I activated a checker, that checks availability
>                >   every 5 minutes. The problem went away. Since then,
>                >   Zope never hung again.
>                > 
>                >   Maybe, Zope does not like to be lazy?
> 
>                Joking aside, I'm almost inclined to agree with this. Our server that has a
>                habit of dying can lie dormant for a few hours and that's when it seems likely
>                to die most.
> 
>                Am I mad or is this worth looking into?


From lists@kassube.de  Sun May 13 21:32:14 2001
From: lists@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:32:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Konqueror and enctype="multipart/form-data"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105131303270.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>; from kosh@aesaeion.com on Sun, May 13, 2001 at 01:05:47PM +0000
References: <20010513212335.A13683@kursk.kassube.de> <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105131303270.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <20010513223213.B13723@kursk.kassube.de>

kosh@aesaeion.com <kosh@aesaeion.com> [2001-05-13 15:05]:
 
> I don't think that is the problem. I have many pages that use that and
> work perfectly in konqueror. I have version 2.1.1 of konqueror if
> yours is
 
I use 2.1.1, too. The problem is mentioned in the KDE Bug Tracking
database:
 
        http://bugs.kde.org/db/25/25035.html
        http://bugs.kde.org/db/22/22205.html
 
(I remember getting an LF, not the CR mentioned in report. Could
this be caused by ZPublisher, is the author of the bug report
wrong or am I stupid? [If I'm stupid, it probably will not be
a good idea to mention this unfortunate fact. I'm a German.
I will invade (small) countries when I'm in a bad mood.])
 
The details:
 
The "edit" method in the STX_Document product uses an attribute
called body_uploaded to detect if the body_stx should be
replaced by the content of the file. Using Konqueror always
renders body_uploaded true, although the file variable should
be empty.
 
Removing the enctype attribute from the form tag in "edit_form"
solved the issue.
 
It's a bug, trust me :-)
 
Cheers,
Nils


From kosh@aesaeion.com  Sun May 13 14:42:07 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:42:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] Konqueror and enctype="multipart/form-data"
In-Reply-To: <20010513222713.A13723@kursk.kassube.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105131339260.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>

Ah I found it. In my python product I found strange things happening with
files also at some point but didn't know it was a konqueror bug. In the
code I check for if the content has more then a few characters in it. So
it appears I have coded around that bug for now.

Hopefully it will be fixed in kde 2.2 or a patch will be issued before
then. Amazing how well forms work in all the different browsers when you
code around all their various issues in the python code. :)

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Sun, 13 May 2001, Nils Kassube wrote:

> * kosh@aesaeion.com <kosh@aesaeion.com> [2001-05-13 15:05]:
>
> > I don't think that is the problem. I have many pages that use that and
> > work perfectly in konqueror. I have version 2.1.1 of konqueror if yours is
>
> I use 2.1.1, too. The problem is mentioned in the KDE Bug Tracking
> database:
>
>         http://bugs.kde.org/db/25/25035.html
>         http://bugs.kde.org/db/22/22205.html
>
> (I remember getting an LF, not the CR mentioned in report. Could
> this be caused by ZPublisher, is the author of the bug report
> wrong or am I stupid? [If I'm stupid, it probably will not be
> a good idea to mention this unfortunate fact. I'm a German.
> I will invade (small) countries when I'm in a bad mood.])
>
> The details:
>
> The "edit" method in the STX_Document product uses an attribute
> called body_uploaded to detect if the body_stx should be
> replaced by the content of the file. Using Konqueror always
> renders body_uploaded true, although the file variable should
> be empty.
>
> Removing the enctype attribute from the form tag in "edit_form"
> solved the issue.
>
> It's a bug, trust me :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Nils
>



From lists@kassube.de  Sun May 13 21:47:25 2001
From: lists@kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:47:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Konqueror and enctype="multipart/form-data"
In-Reply-To: <20010513223213.B13723@kursk.kassube.de>; from lists@kassube.de on Sun, May 13, 2001 at 10:32:14PM +0200
References: <20010513212335.A13683@kursk.kassube.de> <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105131303270.8956-100000@aesaeion.com> <20010513223213.B13723@kursk.kassube.de>
Message-ID: <20010513224725.C13723@kursk.kassube.de>

Oops. I must have deleted the wrong file in my Postfix queue. 
This duplicate should never survi^H^Hfaced here. 

Innocently-looking'ly yours,
Nils


From nichols@tradingconnections.com  Sun May 13 21:44:18 2001
From: nichols@tradingconnections.com (Dennis Nichols)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Check for bad links?
In-Reply-To: <3AFD5E0E.9065C9EA@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010513154334.0210dec0@127.0.0.1>

At 5/12/01 12:00 PM, Paul Winkler wrote:
>Does anyone know a free, Zope-friendly link checker?
>It's tedious hunting down bad URLs in my pages by hand.
>
>The link checking programs I've tried don't seem to like Zope...

You didn't say what you've tried or what problems occur. I use Xenu from 
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html and find that it works just fine 
with Zope.

--
Dennis Nichols
nichols@tradingconnections.com



From chrism@digicool.com  Sun May 13 22:51:57 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:51:57 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
In-Reply-To: <3AFEDFB4.68494F10@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <web-1919189@digicool.com>

I certainly hope we can determine whether or not there is a
common cause.  With the reports we've been able to get so
far, I can't seem to establish a pattern...

On Sun, 13 May 2001 20:25:40 +0100
 Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> wrote:
> Chris McDonough wrote:
> > 
> > Note that there is probably not one single cause (or
> solution) for all of
> > the reported "Zope hangs on me" issues.
> 
> Just an observation, but reports of this type of hangage
> seem to have risen
> significantly since Zope 2.3.0, I know we hardly ever had
> a hang before then and
> now one of our servers is up and down far too
> frequently...
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Chris



From chrism@digicool.com  Sun May 13 22:53:46 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:53:46 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Catalog Program
In-Reply-To: <20010513191804.A21910@scrooge.zzict.com>
Message-ID: <web-1919195@digicool.com>

Where is "manage_editCataloger" supposed to be coming from?

On Sun, 13 May 2001 19:18:04 +0200
 tane@zzict.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am building a music database program, and I am having a
> problem.
> 
> First off, this is the structure:
> 
> ZMusicBase---
>                     |
>                     zmbAlbum---
>                                       |
>                                       zmbTrack
> 
> The catalog for the product is created in the ZMusicBase
> directory.  When I
> try to add a zmbAlbum (which has an Object Manager class)
> I get an error:
> 
> Error Type: NameError
> Error Value: manage_editCataloger
> 
> In the zmbAlbum_add file, the code looks like this:
> 
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('zmb',
> ZopeTime().strftime('%Y%m%d%H%M%S'))">
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('id',_.str(zmb))">
> 
> <dtml-with "zmbAlbum.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'],
> REQUEST)">
> 
>        <dtml-call
> "propertysheets.zmbAlbumProperties.manage_editProperties(REQUEST)">
> 
> <dtml-call "manage_editCataloger('zmbCatalog')">
> <dtml-call reindex_object>
> 
> </dtml-with>
> 
> Can anyone see a problem in this?
> 
> Tane Piper
> Lead Designer - ZZICT Entertainment
> http://www.legiongame.nl
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From randy@spoke.net  Sun May 13 23:21:11 2001
From: randy@spoke.net (Randall F. Kern)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:21:11 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Catalog Program
Message-ID: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE4EE7@sammamish-dc.spoke.net>

FWIW, our servers have been rock stable (on 2.3.1) since I fixed the
lost transaction bug in TM.py.  This bug only causes trouble if you use
non-ZODB transactions, like with an external RDBMS.  Before the fix
though, it would take our server down every few minutes.

-Randy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:54 PM
> To: tane@zzict.com; zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Catalog Program
>=20
>=20
> Where is "manage_editCataloger" supposed to be coming from?
>=20
> On Sun, 13 May 2001 19:18:04 +0200
>  tane@zzict.com wrote:
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > I am building a music database program, and I am having a
> > problem.
> >=20
> > First off, this is the structure:
> >=20
> > ZMusicBase---
> >                     |
> >                     zmbAlbum---
> >                                       |
> >                                       zmbTrack
> >=20
> > The catalog for the product is created in the ZMusicBase
> > directory.  When I
> > try to add a zmbAlbum (which has an Object Manager class)
> > I get an error:
> >=20
> > Error Type: NameError
> > Error Value: manage_editCataloger
> >=20
> > In the zmbAlbum_add file, the code looks like this:
> >=20
> > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('zmb',
> > ZopeTime().strftime('%Y%m%d%H%M%S'))">
> > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('id',_.str(zmb))">
> >=20
> > <dtml-with "zmbAlbum.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'],
> > REQUEST)">
> >=20
> >        <dtml-call
> > "propertysheets.zmbAlbumProperties.manage_editProperties(REQUEST)">
> >=20
> > <dtml-call "manage_editCataloger('zmbCatalog')">
> > <dtml-call reindex_object>
> >=20
> > </dtml-with>
> >=20
> > Can anyone see a problem in this?
> >=20
> > Tane Piper
> > Lead Designer - ZZICT Entertainment
> > http://www.legiongame.nl
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -=20
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -=20
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>=20


From randy@spoke.net  Sun May 13 23:52:17 2001
From: randy@spoke.net (Randall F. Kern)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:52:17 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started
Message-ID: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE042246@sammamish-dc.spoke.net>

Sorry, wrong thread!

-Randy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randall F. Kern=20
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 3:21 PM
> To: Chris McDonough; tane@zzict.com; zope@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope] Catalog Program
>=20
>=20
> FWIW, our servers have been rock stable (on 2.3.1) since I fixed the
> lost transaction bug in TM.py.  This bug only causes trouble=20
> if you use
> non-ZODB transactions, like with an external RDBMS.  Before the fix
> though, it would take our server down every few minutes.
>=20
> -Randy
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:54 PM
> > To: tane@zzict.com; zope@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] Catalog Program
> >=20
> >=20
> > Where is "manage_editCataloger" supposed to be coming from?
> >=20
> > On Sun, 13 May 2001 19:18:04 +0200
> >  tane@zzict.com wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >=20
> > > I am building a music database program, and I am having a
> > > problem.
> > >=20
> > > First off, this is the structure:
> > >=20
> > > ZMusicBase---
> > >                     |
> > >                     zmbAlbum---
> > >                                       |
> > >                                       zmbTrack
> > >=20
> > > The catalog for the product is created in the ZMusicBase
> > > directory.  When I
> > > try to add a zmbAlbum (which has an Object Manager class)
> > > I get an error:
> > >=20
> > > Error Type: NameError
> > > Error Value: manage_editCataloger
> > >=20
> > > In the zmbAlbum_add file, the code looks like this:
> > >=20
> > > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('zmb',
> > > ZopeTime().strftime('%Y%m%d%H%M%S'))">
> > > <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('id',_.str(zmb))">
> > >=20
> > > <dtml-with "zmbAlbum.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'],
> > > REQUEST)">
> > >=20
> > >        <dtml-call
> > >=20
> "propertysheets.zmbAlbumProperties.manage_editProperties(REQUEST)">
> > >=20
> > > <dtml-call "manage_editCataloger('zmbCatalog')">
> > > <dtml-call reindex_object>
> > >=20
> > > </dtml-with>
> > >=20
> > > Can anyone see a problem in this?
> > >=20
> > > Tane Piper
> > > Lead Designer - ZZICT Entertainment
> > > http://www.legiongame.nl
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > > (Related lists -=20
> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >=20
> >=20
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -=20
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -=20
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>=20


From alet@unice.fr  Sun May 13 23:57:56 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:57:56 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.8
Message-ID: <20010514005756.A2286@nordine.ateur>

Hi,

I'm very pleased to announced here the availability of
ZShell 0.8, downloadable from:

	http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

New features:
=============

- Commands lsuser, catalog, uncatalog and find added.
- Bug fixes on permissions.
- Links are now correct in ls output.
- ls output now includes the modification time
- access to objects from their path
  is now done using unrestrictedTraverse 
  instead of my stincky previous code.
- Shell expansion is better: single quotes,  
  double quotes, now work.
- deluser doesn't expand wildcards anymore.
- docstrings for deluser and adduser modified.
- doctsring for call modified to tell people to
  not use it yet.
- An unknown command is now displayed correctly.  

Remark:
=======

	It's very possible that some of you, just like me, 
become addicted to the new find command, particularly to 
its --exec option !
 
As always feel free to report bugs and send comments or
wishes.

Thanks.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr







From cbeaumon@msri.org  Mon May 14 01:36:51 2001
From: cbeaumon@msri.org (Chris Beaumont)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:36:51 -0700
Subject: [Zope] firstname/lastname and string manipulation
Message-ID: <p05010401b724d6cbbaa3@[192.168.1.2]>

Hello,

   I've got a very long list of names that comes from a column in an 
SQL table, and that column needs to be broken into a first name and a 
last name.. Because it is in a sense, a space-delimited field, I'm 
trying that route first.

Not all of the names are in the standard format..

I'm using a dtml-in to loop through the returned records from an SQL query..

Within that loop, I'm using <dtml-var "_.string.split(SPEAKER,' 
')[0]"> to successfully display the 'first name' (really the first 
part of the string) but when trying to use

<dtml-var "_.string.split(SPEAKER,' ')[1]">

to display the part after the first space, even when I wrap that in a dtml-if
  I get an IndexError / list index out of range..

Does anyone have an obvious answer to what I'm doing wrong?

Thank you,
Chris


From bluepaul@bluepaul.com  Mon May 14 01:53:07 2001
From: bluepaul@bluepaul.com (David Hassalevris)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:53:07 -0700
Subject: [Zope] firstname/lastname and string manipulation
References: <p05010401b724d6cbbaa3@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <3AFF2C73.8C4C943E@earthlink.net>

I havent tested this,
(1) _.string.split returns a list
(2) _.len(list) returns # of items in a list
(3) Hence
   <dtml-if "_.len(_.string.split(SPEAKER, ' ')) > 1">
     <dtml-var "_.string.split(SPEAKER,' ')[1]">    
   </dtml-if>

David

Chris Beaumont wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>    I've got a very long list of names that comes from a column in an
> SQL table, and that column needs to be broken into a first name and a
> last name.. Because it is in a sense, a space-delimited field, I'm
> trying that route first.
> 
> Not all of the names are in the standard format..
> 
> I'm using a dtml-in to loop through the returned records from an SQL query..
> 
> Within that loop, I'm using <dtml-var "_.string.split(SPEAKER,'
> ')[0]"> to successfully display the 'first name' (really the first
> part of the string) but when trying to use
> 
> <dtml-var "_.string.split(SPEAKER,' ')[1]">
> 
> to display the part after the first space, even when I wrap that in a dtml-if
>   I get an IndexError / list index out of range..
> 
> Does anyone have an obvious answer to what I'm doing wrong?
> 
> Thank you,
> Chris
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Mon May 14 04:52:03 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:52:03 -0400
Subject: zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: my Method  to stop zope dead:
References: <15100.17139.266562.325235@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <009701c0dc29$3d562700$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

From: "Dieter Maurer" <dieter@handshake.de>
>   Then I activated a checker, that checks availability
>   every 5 minutes. The problem went away. Since then,
>   Zope never hung again.

Out of curiosity, what are you using for your checker?

./jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From cbeaumon@msri.org  Mon May 14 05:05:49 2001
From: cbeaumon@msri.org (Chris Beaumont)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:05:49 -0700
Subject: [Zope] firstname/lastname and string manipulation
In-Reply-To: <3AFF2C73.8C4C943E@earthlink.net>
References: <p05010401b724d6cbbaa3@[192.168.1.2]>
 <3AFF2C73.8C4C943E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p05010405b7250992abdb@[192.168.1.2]>

David,


*Thank you*

That did it!


-Chris


>I havent tested this,
>(1) _.string.split returns a list
>(2) _.len(list) returns # of items in a list
>(3) Hence
>    <dtml-if "_.len(_.string.split(SPEAKER, ' ')) > 1">
>      <dtml-var "_.string.split(SPEAKER,' ')[1]">   
>    </dtml-if>
>
>David
>
>Chris Beaumont wrote:
>>
>>  Hello,
>>
>>     I've got a very long list of names that comes from a column in an
>>  SQL table, and that column needs to be broken into a first name and a
>>  last name.. Because it is in a sense, a space-delimited field, I'm
>>  trying that route first.
>>
>>  Not all of the names are in the standard format..
>>
>>  I'm using a dtml-in to loop through the returned records from an SQL query..
>>
>>  Within that loop, I'm using <dtml-var "_.string.split(SPEAKER,'
>>  ')[0]"> to successfully display the 'first name' (really the first
>>  part of the string) but when trying to use
>>
>>  <dtml-var "_.string.split(SPEAKER,' ')[1]">
>>
>>  to display the part after the first space, even when I wrap that 
>>in a dtml-if
>>    I get an IndexError / list index out of range..
>  >
>  > Does anyone have an obvious answer to what I'm doing wrong?
>  >
>  > Thank you,
>  > Chris
>  >


From paul.browning@bristol.ac.uk  Mon May 14 07:49:45 2001
From: paul.browning@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Browning)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:49:45 +0100
Subject: [Zope] WYSIWYG HTML applets to get rid of the textareas for HTML
 input?
In-Reply-To: <3AFBE5E0.30249.B9A9EAA@localhost>
Message-ID: <1984107540.989826585@[192.168.0.1]>


--On 11 May 2001 13:15 -0700 Scott Chapman <scott_list@mischko.com> wrote:

> I found a Java applet that allows you to edit HTML right in a web page,
> replacing a textarea with a WYSIWYG HTML editor. It occured to me that
> this would be a fabulous thing to use with Zope to do away with textarea
> inputs for HTML.  Is anyone doing this?
>
> These tools are not free :-( but they are not very expensive either:
>
> Cross Platform (Java Applet) implementation of this. (This is the one I'm
> interested in):
> http://www.realobjects.de/index.htm?/english/editonpro_e.htm
>
> Windows tools that do this:
> http://www.ektron.com/ewebeditpro.cfm?doc_id=1035
> http://www.mifo.com/comgistics.htm
> http://www.editlive.com/product/

Scott:

I put round a list of such widgets a while back:

http://zope.nipltd.com/public/lists/zope-archive.nsf/ByKey/07BEF5913610EC2E

and you've extended it - thanks. I had a more recent one that I shared
with the cms-list but their archive is down just now
( see http://www.camworld.com/cms/ for pointer).

>
> How would you make Zope serve up a java applet without having to run
> Apache just for applet serving?
>
> How hard would it be to make Zope put this type of stuff in the
> management  pages where ever a text box is currently used to grab HTML
> input?

As Joachim has indicated this it is not a problem getting Zope
to work with applets.

Paul

--
 The Library, Tyndall Avenue, Univ. of Bristol, Bristol, BS8 1TJ, UK
     E-mail: paul.browning@bristol.ac.uk  URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/



From tane@zzict.nl  Mon May 14 00:02:00 2001
From: tane@zzict.nl (Tane Piper)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:02:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Catalog Program
References: <20010513191804.A21910@scrooge.zzict.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c0dc46$6723e140$0500a8c0@zzict.nl>

Opps, fixed it :)  I hadn't made zmbAlbum catalog aware!  More errors
cropping up now, but I will try everything before I seek help next time :)


Tane Piper
Lead Designer - ZZICT Entertainment
http://www.legiongame.nl

----- Original Message -----
From: <tane@zzict.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:18 PM
Subject: [Zope] Catalog Program


> Hi,
>
> I am building a music database program, and I am having a problem.
>
> First off, this is the structure:
>
> ZMusicBase---
>                     |
>                     zmbAlbum---
>                                       |
>                                       zmbTrack
>
> The catalog for the product is created in the ZMusicBase directory.  When
I
> try to add a zmbAlbum (which has an Object Manager class) I get an error:
>
> Error Type: NameError
> Error Value: manage_editCataloger
>
> In the zmbAlbum_add file, the code looks like this:
>
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('zmb', ZopeTime().strftime('%Y%m%d%H%M%S'))">
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('id',_.str(zmb))">
>
> <dtml-with "zmbAlbum.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST)">
>
>        <dtml-call
> "propertysheets.zmbAlbumProperties.manage_editProperties(REQUEST)">
>
> <dtml-call "manage_editCataloger('zmbCatalog')">
> <dtml-call reindex_object>
>
> </dtml-with>
>
> Can anyone see a problem in this?
>
> Tane Piper
> Lead Designer - ZZICT Entertainment
> http://www.legiongame.nl
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From H.de.Wit@SFK.NL  Mon May 14 08:18:01 2001
From: H.de.Wit@SFK.NL (H.de.Wit@SFK.NL)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:18:01 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Starting with Iemethod
Message-ID: <OFA6A9CA8C.01EFD0AA-ONC1256A4C.00271F74@Z-INDEX.NL>

Some e-mail before:
>> WYSIWYG HTML applets to get rid of the textareas for HTML input?
>Yes, there is the Johanc's IEMethod Product, that works only for IE5.0
>http://www.zope.org/Members/johanc/IEMethod/IEMethod/
>Ausum

Curiously, i downloaded the product and followed the installation
instructions below, but at step 4 there was no IEMethod.
Is anybody using this product and share some advice?

1 Unpack the TorpedSharedModule.tgz in the Zope Shared Modules directory.
  E.g. lib/python/Shared/
2 Unpack the IEMethod-0.0.6.tgz in the Zope root directory.
3 Restart Zope.
4 Create a IEMethod instance.
5 The IEMethod is subclassed from DTML Method so it should act exactly as a
DTML Method.
6 The IE Method has a management tab called Editor, besides the ones equal
to DTML  Methods.
Notice that this only works if your using Internet Explorer 5.


etc.


Met vriendelijke groeten,

Hans de Wit
Stichting Farmaceutische Kengetallen
Postbus 30460
2500 GL  DEN HAAG
Tel. 070-3737448
Fax 070-3737445



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon May 14 09:46:24 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:46:24 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZMySQL - can't get it to work
Message-ID: <01051410462401.09511@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I have just made a fresh install of Zope (vers. 2.3.2) and now I want to add 
the ZMySQL product.
But ...

I have installed Distutils ...
I have compiled the MySQL-python module ... but I am not sure where to put 
the _mysql.so module.

I have tried to untar the ZMySQL tarball into Zope/lib/python/Products/ZMySQL
When I restart the Zope I just get an error: Import error - no module named 
_mysql
Then I tried to copy the _mysql.so module into the ZMySQL dir but then I got 
the following error:
Import error: _mysql.so: undefined symbol PyObject_Init

Okay ... what have I missed here?
I have followed the readme files.

My python version is 2.0

Regards,
-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From antwan@dexus.nl  Mon May 14 10:11:27 2001
From: antwan@dexus.nl (Antwan Reijnen)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:11:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Summary: Webdav security(hole?)question.
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010514104536.00d98e90@pop.xs4all.nl>

Hi All, Chris (suspicious), Tim  (FreePM), Joachim (Explorere remembers 
password),

Thanks for contributions on the WebDAV thread. I digged a little into it, 
and I can now shamefully say that my observations on WebDAV were not 
completely correct (blush). So here is my summary:

Thanks to Chris and Tim, I re-examined the security-policy of my 
Zopeserver. And was very surprized to see that the access contents 
information permission was default assigned to role anonymous. I changed 
this immediately. This put me in the wrong direction: after changing my 
manager-passwordt, I could still browse through my Zope-site with 
WebFolder, without being asked for a new password. I understand this now... 
I changed from manager to anonymous from the perspective of the WebFolder, 
and anonymous could browse through the system. Because I saw no change in 
behaviour on the WebFolder side, I thought nothing had changed. But it did: 
I could'nt write or change files anymore: here the long awaited 
username/password dialog finally showed up. Phew... sorry about this, I 
should have examined this more carefully... My preliminary false conclusion 
was by the way supported by the fact that the first windows2000 site I 
tried to access via WebDAV was completely open (yes, with write supported), 
no password required...

Chris and Tim: I agree completely with you that the securitypolicy via 
WebDAV should be the same as via the http methods.

Tim: of course, I could not gain access to FreePM ;-)

Joachim: thanks to your email I understand why my new Zope installation 
(2.3.1 -> 2.3.2) did not require new authentication via WebDAV. Thanks Bill 
:-(

So: thank you all very much. I will creep back in my hole, and go shame 
myself :-)

Goodbey! Greetings, Antwan.



>Hi All,
>
>I have a weird security problem with my Zope installation. I'm now running 
>Zope 2.3.2 on Windows98, but the problem also occurred in Zope 2.3.1.
>
>I installed a Webfolder in my explorer, to gain access via Webdav to the 
>Zope Server. It did'nt require a username/password to gain full access to 
>the server... I tried to change my password from within Zope, but that 
>did'nt change a thing... I can walk in, without authentication needed...!
>
>I was worried about this, so I decided to test Webdav on some 
>Windows2000/IIS5 servers on internet too, to see if they required 
>authentication. And a shocking 1 out of 4 servers I tried, where 
>completely open to Webdav... I could retrieve directory listings, and I 
>also had WRITE privileges. Some very important, large websites contain 
>this accesshole.
>
>How is this possible???? How can I fix this hole in my Zope installation? 
>Can I disable Webdav access completely, if there is no short term solution?
>
>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance, greetings, Antwan Reijnen.



From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 14 10:13:59 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:13:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope] So...Zope Really DOES Choke And No One Knows Why?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010511191018.009ddc50@thewebsons.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010511191018.009ddc50@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <5959617.989838839@BUZZER>

Hi Ben,

the thread got a bit mixed up by another problem which
does not relate to yours: hanging of zserver.

Your server does not hang but restarts every time.

This must be a problem of your environment, may be:

c-library version mismatch,
python core problems (not matching system) - did you got the
       source distribition ?

zope core (c parts)

I would recommend after checking your system (Memory, kernel, clib)

Install python with threads from source (may be in an
extra directory)

Use this python to build zope from source

Try again.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Freitag, 11. Mai 2001 19:14 -0700 Ben Ocean <zope@thewebsons.com> 
wrote:

> Wonderful, just wonderful. Ahh, the joys of being on the cutting edge. So
> if my installation of Zope chokes regularly-- like every few hours-- and
> apparently I'm not alone, then I guess the only way to take care of the
> problem (until someone nails it in the source code) is to write a cron
> script that tests, I reckon, port 8080, every 5 minutes or so. How do I
> test this? ping won't do it. Does anyone have a cron script written that
> they'd care to share?
> TIA,
> BenO
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From khine@btinternet.com  Mon May 14 10:27:39 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:27:39 +0100
Subject: [Zope] ZMySQL - can't get it to work
In-Reply-To: <01051410462401.09511@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOAEGNCJAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Python2.0 already has Distutils and MySQL-python pre-builds correctly -- one
thing you have to look out is that in the Setup.py file you need to ensure
that the line whatever your os is

elif os.name == "posix": # most Linux/UNIX platforms
    include_dirs = ['/usr/local/mysql/include/mysql']
    library_dirs = ['/usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql']

Point the include_dirs and library_dirs to the path of your MySQL dirs

Then you'll need to untar the ZMySQLDA into your zope directory.

Restart zope and hopefully all will be fine;^)

To check whether python can connect to MySQL at the python prompt type
>>import _mysql
>>

or >>import MySQL
>>

if you don't get traceback errors then mysql-python is configured correctly

hth

Norman
=========================================
"Eternity is Time
Time, eternity
To see the two as opposite
Is Man's Perversity"

The Book of Angelus Silesius



-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Gitte
Wange
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:46 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] ZMySQL - can't get it to work


Hello,

I have just made a fresh install of Zope (vers. 2.3.2) and now I want to add
the ZMySQL product.
But ...

I have installed Distutils ...
I have compiled the MySQL-python module ... but I am not sure where to put
the _mysql.so module.

I have tried to untar the ZMySQL tarball into
Zope/lib/python/Products/ZMySQL
When I restart the Zope I just get an error: Import error - no module named
_mysql
Then I tried to copy the _mysql.so module into the ZMySQL dir but then I got
the following error:
Import error: _mysql.so: undefined symbol PyObject_Init

Okay ... what have I missed here?
I have followed the readme files.

My python version is 2.0

Regards,
--
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************

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From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 14 10:32:35 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:32:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] my solution to #include in DocumentTemplate
In-Reply-To: <200105111822.OAA04788@birds.us.itd.umich.edu>
References: <200105111822.OAA04788@birds.us.itd.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <7075437.989839955@BUZZER>

Hi Lance,

if you are on a tight deadline, why dont you start
using zope rather then hacking around with plain files? ;)

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Freitag, 11. Mai 2001 14:22 -0400 Lance E Sloan <lsloan@umich.edu> 
wrote:

>
> Just in case anybody is interested (rather unlikely) I thought
> I'd let everybody know how I resolved my quest for #include-like
> behavior in DocumentTemplate.  Of course, a very good way would
> have been to actually create a "dtml-include" tag by following
> the suggestions at zope.org.
>
> Being a Python newbie, a Zope not-even-newbie-yet, and under a
> tight deadline, I didn't go that route.  Instead, I happened
> to stumble across this method.  What I was looking for was
> something like:
>
> 	<!--#include file="../path/to/filename.dtml" -->
>
> in a DTML file to include another DTML file, recursively.  I
> ended up doing this:
>
> 	<!--#with "_(incDoc = DocumentTemplate.HTMLFile('../path/to/file.dtml'))"
> 	-->
> 	<!--#var expr="incDoc(x = x)" -->
> 	<!--#/with -->
>
> It works well.  The only problem is that for every object I want
> to pass to the included document must be specified individually
> (x = x).  I tried these but they didn't work:
>
> 	<!--#var expr="incDoc(mapping = vars())" -->
> 	<!--#var expr="incDoc(mapping = mapping)" -->
>
> For now, this is not too much of a problem, as I'm only including
> a header or a footer that's common to all my DTML pages and they
> don't require many arguments.
>
> BTW, I think DocumentTemplate is excellent and it should be added to
> the standard Python distribution.  For those that don't know my
> weird history with this module, I've borrowed DocumentTemplate from
> Zope to write some CGIs in Python.  They're coming along nicely,
> but I admit that I'm somewhat sloppy.
>
> --
> Lance E Sloan
> Web Services, Univ. of Michigan: Full-service Web and database design,
> development, and hosting.  Specializing in Perl & Python CGIs.
> http://websvcs.itd.umich.edu/ - "Putting U on the Web"
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon May 14 10:51:21 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:51:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZMySQL - can't get it to work
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOAEGNCJAA.khine@btinternet.com>
References: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOAEGNCJAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <01051411512102.09511@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Well no - it didn't work
I can compile the mysql.so module - but where shall I put it ?
Right now it is in my homedir - but I thought it should be in the ZMySQLDA 
dir ??

But it doesn't help to put it there either ..

Gitte

On Monday 14 May 2001 11:27, Norman Khine wrote:
> Python2.0 already has Distutils and MySQL-python pre-builds correctly --
> one thing you have to look out is that in the Setup.py file you need to
> ensure that the line whatever your os is
>
> elif os.name == "posix": # most Linux/UNIX platforms
>     include_dirs = ['/usr/local/mysql/include/mysql']
>     library_dirs = ['/usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql']
>
> Point the include_dirs and library_dirs to the path of your MySQL dirs
>
> Then you'll need to untar the ZMySQLDA into your zope directory.
>
> Restart zope and hopefully all will be fine;^)
>
> To check whether python can connect to MySQL at the python prompt type
>
> >>import _mysql
>
> or >>import MySQL
>
>
> if you don't get traceback errors then mysql-python is configured correctly
>
> hth
>
> Norman
> =========================================
> "Eternity is Time
> Time, eternity
> To see the two as opposite
> Is Man's Perversity"
>
> The Book of Angelus Silesius
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Gitte
> Wange
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:46 AM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] ZMySQL - can't get it to work
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have just made a fresh install of Zope (vers. 2.3.2) and now I want to
> add the ZMySQL product.
> But ...
>
> I have installed Distutils ...
> I have compiled the MySQL-python module ... but I am not sure where to put
> the _mysql.so module.
>
> I have tried to untar the ZMySQL tarball into
> Zope/lib/python/Products/ZMySQL
> When I restart the Zope I just get an error: Import error - no module named
> _mysql
> Then I tried to copy the _mysql.so module into the ZMySQL dir but then I
> got the following error:
> Import error: _mysql.so: undefined symbol PyObject_Init
>
> Okay ... what have I missed here?
> I have followed the readme files.
>
> My python version is 2.0
>
> Regards,
> --
> ************************
> Gitte Wange Jensen
>
> System Squid Developer
> MMManager Aps
> +45 29 72 79 72
>
> gitte@mmmanager.org
> ************************
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tillea@rki.de  Mon May 14 10:49:28 2001
From: tillea@rki.de (Andreas Tille)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:49:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Re: Packaging (final) Zope book for Debian
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105141147270.18889-100000@wr-linux02>

On Thu May 10, 2001, Andreas Tille wrote:

> formerly I was able to check out Zope book beta from CVS via
> 
> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@c...:/cvsroot/zope-book login
> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@c...:/cvsroot/zope-book
> co zope-book
> 
> It seems that the modulname has changed in CVS from zope-book to Book.
> 
> I managed to build a Debian package from the state of April 10th and didn't
> checked out CVS repository since then.  Now I wanted to build the package
> from the final source.  Is there any final source release?
> Which source is the best one for a Debian package?
Because I've got no answer I'm going to upload the package build from 
CVS source to the Debian mirrors.

Kind regards

        Andreas.



From mauricio@catho.com.br  Mon May 14 14:18:57 2001
From: mauricio@catho.com.br (Mauricio Souza Lima)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:18:57 -0300
Subject: [Zope] Auth w/ Virt. hosting
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105131052540.16728-100000@praha>
Message-ID: <3AFFDB41.944DE469@yahoo.com.br>

Show us the RewriteRules and Conds and the virtual hosts names so we can
help you...

Reagards,

"Jason C. Leach" wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> I have 3 sites hosted on 1 zope server. Apache is on the front re-writing
> the URLs and interacting w/ SiteRoot on Zope.  Zope seems to always ask me
> for a user/pass when I do somehting like edit a file or change
> folders.  Is this just the way it is, or can I get around it?
> 
> j.
> 
> ......................
> ..... Jason C. Leach
> ... University College of the Cariboo.
> ..
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
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-- 
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mauricio@catho.com.br www.catho.com.br
mauriciosl@yahoo.com.br


From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 14 14:33:15 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:33:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Starting with Iemethod
In-Reply-To: <OFA6A9CA8C.01EFD0AA-ONC1256A4C.00271F74@Z-INDEX.NL>
References: <OFA6A9CA8C.01EFD0AA-ONC1256A4C.00271F74@Z-INDEX.NL>
Message-ID: <21514841.989854394@BUZZER>

Hi H,

look at the Control_Panel/Products
tab if there is a broken IEDTMLMethod
product. If you klick on it you should
see the traceback it might have produced.
If nothing is there, you might unpack the
product to the wrong place or did not restart
zope.

The traceback however should indicate the nature
of the problem.

Regards
Tino

--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 09:18 +0200 H.de.Wit@SFK.NL wrote:

> Some e-mail before:
>>> WYSIWYG HTML applets to get rid of the textareas for HTML input?
>> Yes, there is the Johanc's IEMethod Product, that works only for IE5.0
>> http://www.zope.org/Members/johanc/IEMethod/IEMethod/
>> Ausum
>
> Curiously, i downloaded the product and followed the installation
> instructions below, but at step 4 there was no IEMethod.
> Is anybody using this product and share some advice?
>
> 1 Unpack the TorpedSharedModule.tgz in the Zope Shared Modules directory.
>   E.g. lib/python/Shared/
> 2 Unpack the IEMethod-0.0.6.tgz in the Zope root directory.
> 3 Restart Zope.
> 4 Create a IEMethod instance.
> 5 The IEMethod is subclassed from DTML Method so it should act exactly as
> a DTML Method.
> 6 The IE Method has a management tab called Editor, besides the ones equal
> to DTML  Methods.
> Notice that this only works if your using Internet Explorer 5.
>
>
> etc.
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Hans de Wit
> Stichting Farmaceutische Kengetallen
> Postbus 30460
> 2500 GL  DEN HAAG
> Tel. 070-3737448
> Fax 070-3737445
>
>
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From sbaline@excite.com  Mon May 14 14:32:58 2001
From: sbaline@excite.com (Sebal)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Zcatalog query
Message-ID: <28130440.989847178995.JavaMail.imail@spike.excite.com>

Thanx I finally found the good syntax :

-> numero_doc is a 'field index' in the catalog and a 'string' in the
property sheet of MyZclass (with CatalogAware) 

-> I don't use a stored query [as asked Arno Gross]

it was
<dtml-in "Catalog({'numero_doc':'thedoc'})">
and not <dtml-in "Catalog({'numero_doc','thedoc'})">

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   /  \                         
  | <> |                  	
  (____)   zazen rules ...





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From tim@freepm.org  Mon May 14 14:45:21 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:45:21 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Summary: Webdav security(hole?)question.
References: <4.2.0.58.20010514104536.00d98e90@pop.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <3AFFE171.9B1EBA8E@iswt.com>

Antwan Reijnen wrote:

> So: thank you all very much. I will creep back in my hole, and go shame
> myself :-)

Nope. You have done a great service to the community by posting
this reply.  Now it is archived so the next person that falls
into this trap (it WILL happen) will find an answer.

Thank You! for taking the time,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From p.dejong@melissendejong.nl  Mon May 14 15:50:23 2001
From: p.dejong@melissendejong.nl (Peter de Jong)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:50:23 +0100
Subject: [Zope] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200105141356.PAA04791@smtp9.xs4all.nl>

I get the following message:

2001-05-14T15:39:40 ERROR(200) ZServer uncaptured python exception, closing channel <select-trigger (pipe) at 81fad8c> (exceptions.OSError:[Errno 11] 
Resource temporarily unavailable [/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|poll|75] [/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-
src/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|handle_read_event|327] [/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/medusa/select_trigger.py|handle_read|77] 
[/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|recv|279] [/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-
src/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|recv|467])
Unhandled exception in thread:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/PubCore/ZServerPublisher.py", line 97, in __init__
  File "/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/HTTPResponse.py", line 298, in _finish
  File "/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/HTTPResponse.py", line 341, in close
  File "/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/medusa/select_trigger.py", line 74, in pull_trigger
OSError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

Maybe there is something I did wrong.

Peter de Jong
 




From drees@the-bridge.net  Mon May 14 14:58:23 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:58:23 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZWN - didn't they say it would be weekly?
In-Reply-To: <20010512030353.26838.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOEEODDGAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> Didn't they say it would be weekly?

<sarcasm>
I thought it was weakly.
</sarcasm>


From H.de.Wit@SFK.NL  Mon May 14 14:04:53 2001
From: H.de.Wit@SFK.NL (H.de.Wit@SFK.NL)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:04:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Starting with Iemethod
Message-ID: <OFB4458F82.FE62AC91-ONC1256A4C.004759E2@Z-INDEX.NL>

Thank you Tino,

>look at the Control_Panel/Products
>tab if there is a broken IEDTMLMethod
>product. If you klick on it you should
>see the traceback it might have produced.

This is the error trace i get

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\ZOPE\lib\python\OFS\Application.py", line 528, in
import_products
    product=__import__(pname, global_dict, global_dict, silly)
  File
"/bigshare/zopeservers/easypublishing/Products/IEMethod/__init__.py", line
41, in ?
  File
"/bigshare/zopeservers/easypublishing/Products/IEMethod/IEMethod.py", line
49, in ?
ImportError: No module named Torped.HTMLEntity

It seems that the Torped module is not installed correctly, although i did
it exactly according to the instructions.
The product consist of two parts:
Iemethod, installed in  c:\program files\zope\IEMethod and
Torped in c:\program files\zope\lib\python\shared\Torped
I tried to run it also from the products directory, but that didn't help,
and yes, i did restart Zope everytime.

Thanks anyway.




Met vriendelijke groeten,

Hans de Wit
Stichting Farmaceutische Kengetallen
Postbus 30460
2500 GL  DEN HAAG
Tel. 070-3737448
Fax 070-3737445


                                                                                            
                    Tino                                                                    
                    Wildenhain           To:     H.de.Wit@SFK.NL, zope@zope.org             
                    <tino@wildenh        cc:                                                
                    ain.de>              Fax to:                                            
                                         Subject:     Re: [Zope] Starting with Iemethod     
                    05/14/01                                                                
                    03:33 PM                                                                
                                                                                            
                                                                                            



Hi H,

The traceback however should indicate the nature
of the problem.

Regards
Tino

--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 09:18 +0200 H.de.Wit@SFK.NL wrote:

> Some e-mail before:
>>> WYSIWYG HTML applets to get rid of the textareas for HTML input?
>> Yes, there is the Johanc's IEMethod Product, that works only for IE5.0
>> http://www.zope.org/Members/johanc/IEMethod/IEMethod/
>> Ausum
>
> Curiously, i downloaded the product and followed the installation
> instructions below, but at step 4 there was no IEMethod.
> Is anybody using this product and share some advice?
>
> 1 Unpack the TorpedSharedModule.tgz in the Zope Shared Modules directory.
>   E.g. lib/python/Shared/
> 2 Unpack the IEMethod-0.0.6.tgz in the Zope root directory.
> 3 Restart Zope.
> 4 Create a IEMethod instance.
> 5 The IEMethod is subclassed from DTML Method so it should act exactly as
> a DTML Method.
> 6 The IE Method has a management tab called Editor, besides the ones
equal
> to DTML  Methods.
> Notice that this only works if your using Internet Explorer 5.
>
>
> etc.
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Hans de Wit
> Stichting Farmaceutische Kengetallen
> Postbus 30460
> 2500 GL  DEN HAAG
> Tel. 070-3737448
> Fax 070-3737445
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From evan@4-am.com  Mon May 14 15:22:22 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:22:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Auth w/ Virt. hosting
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105131052540.16728-100000@praha>
Message-ID: <00d501c0dc81$4b34fe70$0100a8c0@ehome>

From: "Jason C. Leach" <jleach@mail.ocis.net>
> I have 3 sites hosted on 1 zope server. Apache is on the front re-writing
> the URLs and interacting w/ SiteRoot on Zope.  Zope seems to always ask me
> for a user/pass when I do somehting like edit a file or change
> folders.  Is this just the way it is, or can I get around it?

Are you using IE?  Certain recent versions of IE have bad bugs in Basic
Authentication.

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From in@konsylo.de  Mon May 14 15:28:47 2001
From: in@konsylo.de (Isabelle Neunreither)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:28:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope] diploma about zope - need help -
Message-ID: <001b01c0dc82$2ffd1bf0$3301a8c0@rubis>

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hi,

I've heard a lot about zope and so I decided to write my diploma about =
it:=20

"Zope and XML: from studie to the prototype".

My major problem at the moment is my inexperience with zope. I can =
program and work with zope, but I never integrated zope in a real =
project. The first aim of my study is to understand in which way and =
situation zope could be recommended for integration and use in =
companies.=20

You would help me by answering different questions about your experience =
with zope, as well as about your experience with zope and xml.

At the following address under "interviews/about zope", you will find a =
question form about zope. This form is translated in english, french and =
german. So I think everyone can answer it :-)

http://141.100.43.117:8080/u/isabelle/diploma/zopexml/

Thanks a lot. I hope, I will become a lot of answers.

Cheers,
Isabelle

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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different questions=20
about your experience with zope, as well as about your experience with =
zope and=20
xml.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At the following address under =
"interviews/about=20
zope", you will find a question form about zope. This form is translated =
in=20
english, french and german. So I think everyone can answer it =
:-)</DIV></FONT>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://141.100.43.117:8080/u/isabelle/diploma/zopexml/">http://14=
1.100.43.117:8080/u/isabelle/diploma/zopexml/</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks a lot. I hope,&nbsp;I will =
become a lot of=20
answers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Isabelle</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 14 15:23:30 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:23:30 +0200
Subject: Exception from connection close was: Re: [Zope] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200105141356.PAA04791@smtp9.xs4all.nl>
References: <200105141356.PAA04791@smtp9.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <24529951.989857409@BUZZER>

Hi Peter,

this is usually the result of the user side closed
connection before zserver was ready with serving.
This may indicate there are some querys which take
a long time so the user hits the "stop" button on
her/his browser.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 15:50 +0100 Peter de Jong 
<p.dejong@melissendejong.nl> wrote:

> I get the following message:
>
> 2001-05-14T15:39:40 ERROR(200) ZServer uncaptured python exception,
> closing channel <select-trigger (pipe) at 81fad8c>
> (exceptions.OSError:[Errno 11]  Resource temporarily unavailable
> [/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|poll|7
> 5] [/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-
> src/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|handle_read_event|327]
> [/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/medusa/select_trigger.py|
> handle_read|77]
> [/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|recv|2
> 79] [/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-
> src/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|recv|467])
> Unhandled exception in thread:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File
> "/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/PubCore/ZServerPublisher.
> py", line 97, in __init__   File
> "/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/HTTPResponse.py", line
> 298, in _finish   File
> "/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/HTTPResponse.py", line
> 341, in close   File
> "/usr/src/packages/BUILD/Zope-2.2.2-src/ZServer/medusa/select_trigger.py"
> , line 74, in pull_trigger OSError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
>
> Maybe there is something I did wrong.
>
> Peter de Jong
>
>
>
>
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From jleach@mail.ocis.net  Mon May 14 15:47:02 2001
From: jleach@mail.ocis.net (Jason C. Leach)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:47:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Auth w/ Virt. hosting
In-Reply-To: <3AFFDB41.944DE469@yahoo.com.br>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105140746230.16728-100000@praha>

hi,

Here is a pretty standard rule:

<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
        RewriteEngine   On
        RewriteLog      "/var/log/apache/rewrite_log"
        RewriteLogLevel 0
        RewriteRule     ^/local/ - [L]
        RewriteRule 
   ^/(.*) http://www.riverspirit.ca:9673/riverspirit.ca/$1 [P]
</IfModule>

j.
......................
..... Jason C. Leach
... University College of the Cariboo.
.. 

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Mauricio Souza Lima wrote:

> Show us the RewriteRules and Conds and the virtual hosts names so we can
> help you...
> 
> Reagards,
> 
> "Jason C. Leach" wrote:
> > 
> > hi,
> > 
> > I have 3 sites hosted on 1 zope server. Apache is on the front re-writing
> > the URLs and interacting w/ SiteRoot on Zope.  Zope seems to always ask me
> > for a user/pass when I do somehting like edit a file or change
> > folders.  Is this just the way it is, or can I get around it?
> > 
> > j.
> > 
> > ......................
> > ..... Jason C. Leach
> > ... University College of the Cariboo.
> > ..
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 
> -- 
> Mauricio Souza Lima
> WebDeveloper - Catho ONLINE
> mauricio@catho.com.br www.catho.com.br
> mauriciosl@yahoo.com.br
> 
> 



From paz@oratrix.com  Mon May 14 15:55:04 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:55:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] HELP! Double outputs!
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGECGCEAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Oh woe is the day....

I'm totally frazzled by this. I have moved a test zope install to a unix
server running another one. Both are configured for separate ports...

I have a structure something like this

<var logic>
<var header>
<var orderform>
<var footer>

(very basic description)

What I get is:


<var logic> - okay
<var header> - okay
<var orderform> - okay
<var orderform> - not okay
<var footer>


This application lives on several test machines and none of them have any
such problems. What duplicates is also very selective as well... Im not sure
where to go for debug info... z2.py started with the -D optioin shows
nothing. Apache shows nothing (even though the problematic zope is
refferenced directly to ZServer through port 8085)


The logging of REQUEST and SESSION reveal nothing. Putting in <dtml-var
sequence-key> doesnt show an miscreant <dtml-in> that loops one two many. I
am really lost....

Its Zope-232 with PGSQL703, PoPy 2.01 and the latest ZPoPy adapter. Perhaps
there is a bug here or someone has expereinced the same thing?


I cant be more than vague without writing an essay... But perhaps someone
can tell me how to monitor the Zope stack?


Thanks very much,
Paz



From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 14 16:08:46 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:08:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope] HELP! Double outputs!
In-Reply-To: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGECGCEAA.paz@oratrix.com>
References: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGECGCEAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <27246736.989860126@BUZZER>

Hi Paul,

you arent using any in-tags in your orderform by chance?
May be they are supposed to only run one time but really
run twice from duplicate database rows?

Regards
Tino

--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 16:55 +0200 Paul Zwarts <paz@oratrix.com> wrote:

> Oh woe is the day....
>
> I'm totally frazzled by this. I have moved a test zope install to a unix
> server running another one. Both are configured for separate ports...
>
> I have a structure something like this
>
> <var logic>
> <var header>
> <var orderform>
> <var footer>
>
> (very basic description)
>
> What I get is:
>
>
> <var logic> - okay
> <var header> - okay
> <var orderform> - okay
> <var orderform> - not okay
> <var footer>
>
>
> This application lives on several test machines and none of them have any
> such problems. What duplicates is also very selective as well... Im not
> sure where to go for debug info... z2.py started with the -D optioin shows
> nothing. Apache shows nothing (even though the problematic zope is
> refferenced directly to ZServer through port 8085)
>
>
> The logging of REQUEST and SESSION reveal nothing. Putting in <dtml-var
> sequence-key> doesnt show an miscreant <dtml-in> that loops one two many.
> I am really lost....
>
> Its Zope-232 with PGSQL703, PoPy 2.01 and the latest ZPoPy adapter.
> Perhaps there is a bug here or someone has expereinced the same thing?
>
>
> I cant be more than vague without writing an essay... But perhaps someone
> can tell me how to monitor the Zope stack?
>
>
> Thanks very much,
> Paz
>
>
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From Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca  Mon May 14 16:09:33 2001
From: Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca (Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:09:33 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ODBC DSN file
Message-ID: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E011FDF27@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>

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	I need to transform a lot of data from multiple Excel files and
export one standard big text file.

	I created an ODBC System DSN, and it work fine.  But I have about
100 excel files, and I would like to develop an interface with a =
dropdown
list with all the excel files in my directory, choose one, and import =
it.

	Any ideas how I could do that?  I tried to create a File DSN, but
Zope doesn't seem to detect it. With such a connection, I could change =
the
connection string into the DSN file when needed.

	So:

	- Is it possible to connect to a File DSN ODBC from Zope?

	- Is there a better, cleaner solution I could try?

Thanks!

Jean-Fran=E7ois M=E9nard
Intranet DPAS
Pratiques d'affaires et orientations
*        (514) 840-3000  poste 3939
*  (514) 840-5585
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<META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
5.5.2653.12">
<TITLE>ODBC DSN file</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>I need to =
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standard big text file.</FONT>
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<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>I created =
an ODBC System DSN, and it work fine.&nbsp; But I have about 100 excel =
files, and I would like to develop an interface with a dropdown list =
with all the excel files in my directory, choose one, and import =
it.</FONT></P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>Any ideas =
how I could do that?&nbsp; I tried to create a File DSN, but Zope =
doesn't seem to detect it. With such a connection, I could change the =
connection string into the DSN file when needed.</FONT></P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>So:</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>- Is it =
possible to connect to a File DSN ODBC from Zope?</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>- Is there =
a better, cleaner solution I could try?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks!</FONT>
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From tim@freepm.org  Mon May 14 16:16:38 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:16:38 -0500
Subject: [Zope] HELP! Double outputs!
References: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGECGCEAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <3AFFF6D6.235A52CE@iswt.com>

Paul Zwarts wrote:

> I cant be more than vague without writing an essay... But perhaps someone
> can tell me how to monitor the Zope stack?

Someone posted instructions a couple of weeks ago on using the
Python debugger with Zope. I didn't really need it but tried it
out for that 'time in the future'.  Search the archives for
debugger.

HTH,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From tim@freepm.org  Mon May 14 16:20:04 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:20:04 -0500
Subject: [Zope] HELP! Double outputs!
References: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGECGCEAA.paz@oratrix.com> <27246736.989860126@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <3AFFF7A4.555D5608@iswt.com>

> I'm totally frazzled by this. I have moved a test zope install to a unix
> server running another one. Both are configured for separate ports...

OOPS! forgot to add my SWAG.
If it works on the some servers and not on another one AND there
are no obvious errors, I'd look for something that's being
aquired.

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From paz@oratrix.com  Mon May 14 16:20:37 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:20:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZopeDud was: HELP! Double outputs!
In-Reply-To: <27246736.989860126@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGECJCEAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Hi Tino,

Thanks for the quick response... Of course the obvious is true.... I had
ASSUMEd that my referential integrity was setup properly when migrating my
databases. Not so.... do a select and sure be it that i find duplicates....
Thanks very much, you have destressed me quite effectively.

BUT,

What remains to be said. Even IF there are two alike rows, then shouldnt:

<dtml-in "something(pk=1)" size=1>
   dtml-var pk>
</dtml-in>

Output the record only once?


Paz
-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tino
Wildenhain
Sent: 14 May 2001 17:09
To: Paul Zwarts; Zope
Subject: Re: [Zope] HELP! Double outputs!


Hi Paul,

you arent using any in-tags in your orderform by chance?
May be they are supposed to only run one time but really
run twice from duplicate database rows?

Regards
Tino

--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 16:55 +0200 Paul Zwarts <paz@oratrix.com> wrote:

> Oh woe is the day....
>
> I'm totally frazzled by this. I have moved a test zope install to a unix
> server running another one. Both are configured for separate ports...
>
> I have a structure something like this
>
> <var logic>
> <var header>
> <var orderform>
> <var footer>
>
> (very basic description)
>
> What I get is:
>
>
> <var logic> - okay
> <var header> - okay
> <var orderform> - okay
> <var orderform> - not okay
> <var footer>
>
>
> This application lives on several test machines and none of them have any
> such problems. What duplicates is also very selective as well... Im not
> sure where to go for debug info... z2.py started with the -D optioin shows
> nothing. Apache shows nothing (even though the problematic zope is
> refferenced directly to ZServer through port 8085)
>
>
> The logging of REQUEST and SESSION reveal nothing. Putting in <dtml-var
> sequence-key> doesnt show an miscreant <dtml-in> that loops one two many.
> I am really lost....
>
> Its Zope-232 with PGSQL703, PoPy 2.01 and the latest ZPoPy adapter.
> Perhaps there is a bug here or someone has expereinced the same thing?
>
>
> I cant be more than vague without writing an essay... But perhaps someone
> can tell me how to monitor the Zope stack?
>
>
> Thanks very much,
> Paz
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 14 16:22:12 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:22:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ODBC DSN file
In-Reply-To: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E011FDF27@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>
References: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E011FDF27@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca
Message-ID: <28052216.989860931@BUZZER>

Hi Jean-Francois,

I would import the Excel-Sheets into an RDBMS first
and then use this to access your data.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 11:09 -0400 Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca=20
wrote:

>
>         I need to transform a lot of data from multiple Excel files and
> export one standard big text file.
>
>         I created an ODBC System DSN, and it work fine.  But I have about
> 100 excel files, and I would like to develop an interface with a dropdown
> list with all the excel files in my directory, choose one, and import it.
>
>         Any ideas how I could do that?  I tried to create a File DSN, but
> Zope doesn't seem to detect it. With such a connection, I could change
> the connection string into the DSN file when needed.
>
>         So:
>
>         - Is it possible to connect to a File DSN ODBC from Zope?
>
>         - Is there a better, cleaner solution I could try?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jean-Fran=E7ois M=E9nard
> Intranet DPAS
> Pratiques d'affaires et orientations
> *        (514) 840-3000  poste 3939
> *  (514) 840-5585
> *  menard.jean-francois@hydro.qc.ca
> *         855 Ste-Catherine est, 6e =E9tage
>               Montr=E9al, Qu=E9. H2L 4P5






From cduncan@kaivo.com  Mon May 14 16:29:48 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:29:48 -0600
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog (2.3.1) won't acquire method from parent fold er?
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B30B@desi2>
Message-ID: <3AFFF9EC.9516CE5D@kaivo.com>

sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> 
> A follow-up:  After upgrading to 2.3.2, and further investigation, I have
> found I have a problem, and I have found a workaround.  However, what I have
> discovered is that the problem is not one of acquisition; rather, it is an
> issue of ZCatalog not cooperating with my DTML methods, residing on disk as
> part of my Python product.
> 
> So, in a slightly different light, here is my problem: if I use one of these
> DTML methods as an index, it has problems evaluating code because it (the
> Catalog) runs the method, but it will not successfully obtain the namespace
> of either the object I am trying to catalog / add, or the namespace of the
> acquisition parent of the newly created - just about to be indexed - object.
> The implication of this, is that while evaluating the DTML, there is a
> NameError raised for ANY call to a method within an object of the class you
> are trying to index; I did not try accessing properties, but I assume that
> they would suffer the same fate: evaluation of the DTML, being run by the
> Catalog as an agent, would fail to resolve the namespace of the object for
> which it is trying to index, and this would mean that any calls to
> methods/properties of the object from within the DTML would fail with a
> NameError, raising an exception that breaks any Catalog Aware object
> attempting to use a DTML method as a text index.

Actually it is worse than this. The problem here lies in the calling API
of DTML Methods. The client context must be passed explicitly as the
first parameter of the DTML Method in order for it to know the object it
is being called for, even if it is an instance method of a ZClass.

When the index calls your method, no parameters are passed, and the DTML
Method is too dumb to resolve its parent through self.

Workaround: Do not index against DTML Methods. Use Python Scripts, as
they can through their container binding act like true instance methods
when called blind.

> 
> My iterateText method resides as a python method BOTH in the class for the
> object I just added, and the parent folder (a custom class subclassed from
> OFS.Folder) I am adding the object to.  My searchTextWeighted (the method I
> am indexing) was a DTML method on disk, referenced with
>         searchTextWeighted = Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/searchTextWeighted',
> globals())
> 
> ...I changed this to a python method within the class, and this fixed the
> problem, but not in the way I necessarily want. What I am hoping to be able
> to do is create templates that get indexed, so that modifying an existing
> indexed 'field' does not require directly modifying the class itself, only
> the DTML methods to which the class refers to.

Solution: write a wrapper method in your class that looks for a DTML
method to index against. If it finds one then call it or a default DTML
method passing self as the client like so:

defaultSearchTextWeighted = Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/searchTextWeighted',
globals())
def searchText(self):
	"""Look for a DTML Method to call"""
	if hasattr(self, 'searchTextWeighted'):
		stw = self.searchTextWeighted
	else:
		stw = self.defaultSearchTextWeighted

	return stw(self)
> 
> Why won't ZCatalog use the namespace of the object it is attempting to index
> to run these methods, which belong to the class of those objects?  It seems
> like if it did, there would be no problem doing what I originally set out to
> do.  Is this a bug, or am I going about doing this the wrong way?
> 
> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.  For now, I can live with my
> workaround...
> 
> Sean
> 

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
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From Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca  Mon May 14 16:33:11 2001
From: Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca (Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:33:11 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ODBC DSN file
Message-ID: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E011FE0BB@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>

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Thanks for your response!

Yes, I could do that, but I would like to skip this step if possible, =
cause
I will keep receiving data form Excel sheets for a while. =20

What I would like to do is create a web interface to let users put the =
exel
files in a directory on the server, import the data themselves, create =
some
transfer directives, end export the result.

So, would it be possible?

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Tino Wildenhain [mailto:tino@wildenhain.de]
Envoy=E9 : lundi 14 mai 2001 11:22
=C0 : Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca; zope@zope.org
Objet : Re: [Zope] ODBC DSN file


Hi Jean-Francois,

I would import the Excel-Sheets into an RDBMS first
and then use this to access your data.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 11:09 -0400 Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca=20
wrote:

>
>         I need to transform a lot of data from multiple Excel files =
and
> export one standard big text file.
>
>         I created an ODBC System DSN, and it work fine.  But I have =
about
> 100 excel files, and I would like to develop an interface with a =
dropdown
> list with all the excel files in my directory, choose one, and import =
it.
>
>         Any ideas how I could do that?  I tried to create a File DSN, =
but
> Zope doesn't seem to detect it. With such a connection, I could =
change
> the connection string into the DSN file when needed.
>
>         So:
>
>         - Is it possible to connect to a File DSN ODBC from Zope?
>
>         - Is there a better, cleaner solution I could try?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jean-Fran=E7ois M=E9nard
> Intranet DPAS
> Pratiques d'affaires et orientations
> *        (514) 840-3000  poste 3939
> *  (514) 840-5585
> *  menard.jean-francois@hydro.qc.ca
> *         855 Ste-Catherine est, 6e =E9tage
>               Montr=E9al, Qu=E9. H2L 4P5




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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks for your response!</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yes, I could do that, but I would like to skip this =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What I would like to do is create a web interface to =
let users put the exel files in a directory on the server, import the =
data themselves, create some transfer directives, end export the =
result.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>So, would it be possible?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Message d'origine-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>De : Tino Wildenhain [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:tino@wildenhain.de">mailto:tino@wildenhain.de</A>]</FONT>=

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Envoy=E9 : lundi 14 mai 2001 11:22</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=C0 : Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca; =
zope@zope.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Objet : Re: [Zope] ODBC DSN file</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi Jean-Francois,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I would import the Excel-Sheets into an RDBMS =
first</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and then use this to access your data.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Regards</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Tino Wildenhain</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 11:09 -0400 =
Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>wrote:</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
I created an ODBC System DSN, and it work fine.&nbsp; But I have =
about</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; 100 excel files, and I would like to develop an =
interface with a dropdown</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; list with all the excel files in my directory, =
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needed.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
So:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Thanks!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Jean-Fran=E7ois M=E9nard</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Intranet DPAS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Pratiques d'affaires et orientations</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; *&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(514) 840-3000&nbsp; poste 3939</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; *&nbsp; (514) 840-5585</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; *&nbsp; menard.jean-francois@hydro.qc.ca</FONT>
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*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 855 Ste-Catherine =
est, 6e =E9tage</FONT>
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From randy@spoke.net  Mon May 14 16:37:29 2001
From: randy@spoke.net (Randall F. Kern)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:37:29 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZopeDud was: HELP! Double outputs!
Message-ID: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE04224A@sammamish-dc.spoke.net>

> From: Paul Zwarts [mailto:paz@oratrix.com]
>=20
> What remains to be said. Even IF there are two alike rows,=20
> then shouldnt:
>=20
> <dtml-in "something(pk=3D1)" size=3D1>
>    dtml-var pk>
> </dtml-in>
>=20
> Output the record only once?
>=20

No, because of the "orphan" feature of dtml-in.  If you use:

<dtml-in "somthing(pk=3D1)" size=3D1 orphan=3D0>
  <dtml-var pk>
</dtml-in>

Then you should get the expected behavior.
-Randy


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Mon May 14 16:35:19 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:35:19 -0600
Subject: [Zope] how to know the parent folder
References: <989683264.4971.0.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <3AFFFB37.C8F26E2@kaivo.com>

Arkaitz Bitorika wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've got some ZClasses in folderish objets, and I'd like to know how can
> I get from each object which is the parent folder in which it is stored.
> I guess this a very simple thing, but I haven't found the way yet ;).
> Any hint?
> 
> TIA,
> arkaitz.
> 

In Python Script:

parent = container.aq_parent

In DTML:

<dtml-with name="aq_parent">
   ..You are now working with the parent...
</dtml-with>

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 14 16:36:07 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:36:07 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot News
Message-ID: <3AFFFB67.D03CEA9D@nipltd.com>

Hi,

Just to let everyone know, I've unfuggered the 1.1.0 distributions on Zope.org
and Squishdot.org.
The ones up there now shouldn't suffer from the errors some people have been
experiencing...

I am planning a 1.2.0 release once I figure out how to make sgmllib.py not to
stupid things with XHTML.
Anyone who's interested in this, please give me a shout :-)
(Does Zope 2.3.2+ ship with a fast XML parser? If so, what's it called and where
do I import it from?)

Hi ho, hi ho, it's off to the CMF I go :-)

cheers,

Chris


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Mon May 14 16:37:44 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:37:44 -0600
Subject: [Zope] ZopeDud was: HELP! Double outputs!
References: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGECJCEAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <3AFFFBC8.F3133A08@kaivo.com>

Paul Zwarts wrote:
> 
> Hi Tino,
> 
> Thanks for the quick response... Of course the obvious is true.... I had
> ASSUMEd that my referential integrity was setup properly when migrating my
> databases. Not so.... do a select and sure be it that i find duplicates....
> Thanks very much, you have destressed me quite effectively.
> 
> BUT,
> 
> What remains to be said. Even IF there are two alike rows, then shouldnt:
> 
> <dtml-in "something(pk=1)" size=1>
>    dtml-var pk>
> </dtml-in>
> 
> Output the record only once?
> 
> Paz

Ah bitten by orphan. Try this:

<dtml-in "something(pk=1)" size=1 orphan=0>
   <dtml-var pk>
</dtml-in>

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From jose@sferacarta.com  Mon May 14 16:54:45 2001
From: jose@sferacarta.com (Jose Soares)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:54:45 +0200
Subject: zope hangs vs: Re: [Zope] ZServer Must Be Continually Re-Started: my
 Method  to stop zope dead:
References: <15100.17139.266562.325235@lindm.dm> <009701c0dc29$3d562700$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <3AFFFFC4.45A44462@sferacarta.com>

Hi all,

I have the same problem. My Zope hangs one or two times a week.
I also was thinking to write a program to check if zope is up, but
I don't believe this is a professional way to solve this problem.
Maybe using Zope with apache? Someone have tried it?

Jose


Jason Cunliffe wrote:

> From: "Dieter Maurer" <dieter@handshake.de>
> >   Then I activated a checker, that checks availability
> >   every 5 minutes. The problem went away. Since then,
> >   Zope never hung again.
>
> Out of curiosity, what are you using for your checker?
>
> ./jason
> ___________________________________________________________
> Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tpassin@mitretek.org  Mon May 14 16:44:58 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:44:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ODBC DSN file
References: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E011FDF27@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <007601c0dc8c$d49d61b0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca>]

I created an ODBC System DSN, and it work fine.  But I have about
100 excel files, and I would like to develop an interface with a dropdown
list with all the excel files in my directory, choose one, and import it.

Any ideas how I could do that?  I tried to create a File DSN, but
Zope doesn't seem to detect it. With such a connection, I could change the
connection string into the DSN file when needed.

[Tom]
If you always know where the files are located, you could use the LocalFS
product.  Or you could write a simple python external method.

Cheers,

Tom P



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Mon May 14 16:48:40 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:48:40 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot News
References: <3AFFFB67.D03CEA9D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <007701c0dc8d$60b22140$5c773fc1@media1>

Doesn't Zope come with Expat and also a Python interface to it?

<zopedir>/lib/python/Shared/DC/xml/pyexpat

hth

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: <squishdot@yahoogroups.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:36 PM
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot News


> Hi,
>
> Just to let everyone know, I've unfuggered the 1.1.0 distributions on
Zope.org
> and Squishdot.org.
> The ones up there now shouldn't suffer from the errors some people have
been
> experiencing...
>
> I am planning a 1.2.0 release once I figure out how to make sgmllib.py not
to
> stupid things with XHTML.
> Anyone who's interested in this, please give me a shout :-)
> (Does Zope 2.3.2+ ship with a fast XML parser? If so, what's it called and
where
> do I import it from?)
>
> Hi ho, hi ho, it's off to the CMF I go :-)
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Mon May 14 16:56:07 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:56:07 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog (2.3.1) won't acquire method from parent fold er?
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B30C@desi2>

Casey Duncan Wrote:
>>>>>
Solution: write a wrapper method in your class that looks for a DTML
method to index against. If it finds one then call it or a default DTML
method passing self as the client like so:

defaultSearchTextWeighted = Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/searchTextWeighted',
globals())
def searchText(self):
	"""Look for a DTML Method to call"""
	if hasattr(self, 'searchTextWeighted'):
		stw = self.searchTextWeighted
	else:
		stw = self.defaultSearchTextWeighted

	return stw(self)
>>>>>

Forgive my ignorance here, but this will evaluate/render the method (using
the correct context of the class instance itself), and proxy the rendered
method to the catalog machinery because it is a python class, post-rendered?
Or is it that this wrapper returns the DTML method itself, wrapped in a
correct context by which catalog renders the method?

Sean


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 14 16:56:21 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:56:21 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot News
References: <3AFFFB67.D03CEA9D@nipltd.com> <007701c0dc8d$60b22140$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <3B000025.CD216633@nipltd.com>

Phil Harris wrote:
> 
> Doesn't Zope come with Expat and also a Python interface to it?
> 
> <zopedir>/lib/python/Shared/DC/xml/pyexpat

So it does :-)

How fast is that compared to sax, xmllib or anything else you'd care to
recommend?
Where's the documentation?

How would I got about building a very simple parser that has hooks for open
tags, closing tags, entities and data?

cheers,

Chris


From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 14 16:57:51 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:57:51 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZopeDud was: HELP! Double outputs!
In-Reply-To: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGECJCEAA.paz@oratrix.com>
References: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGECJCEAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <30190922.989863070@BUZZER>

Hi Paul,

the default behavoir of the in-tag is to give you 3 orphan
rows. To get only a single one you should use:

<dtml-in "something(pk=1)" size=1 orphan=0>
    dtml-var pk>
</dtml-in>

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 17:20 +0200 Paul Zwarts <paz@oratrix.com> wrote:

> Hi Tino,
>
> Thanks for the quick response... Of course the obvious is true.... I had
> ASSUMEd that my referential integrity was setup properly when migrating my
> databases. Not so.... do a select and sure be it that i find
> duplicates.... Thanks very much, you have destressed me quite effectively.
>
> BUT,
>
> What remains to be said. Even IF there are two alike rows, then shouldnt:
>
> <dtml-in "something(pk=1)" size=1>
>    dtml-var pk>
> </dtml-in>
>
> Output the record only once?
>
>
> Paz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tino
> Wildenhain
> Sent: 14 May 2001 17:09
> To: Paul Zwarts; Zope
> Subject: Re: [Zope] HELP! Double outputs!
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> you arent using any in-tags in your orderform by chance?
> May be they are supposed to only run one time but really
> run twice from duplicate database rows?
>
> Regards
> Tino
>
> --On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 16:55 +0200 Paul Zwarts <paz@oratrix.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh woe is the day....
>>
>> I'm totally frazzled by this. I have moved a test zope install to a unix
>> server running another one. Both are configured for separate ports...
>>
>> I have a structure something like this
>>
>> <var logic>
>> <var header>
>> <var orderform>
>> <var footer>
>>
>> (very basic description)
>>
>> What I get is:
>>
>>
>> <var logic> - okay
>> <var header> - okay
>> <var orderform> - okay
>> <var orderform> - not okay
>> <var footer>
>>
>>
>> This application lives on several test machines and none of them have any
>> such problems. What duplicates is also very selective as well... Im not
>> sure where to go for debug info... z2.py started with the -D optioin
>> shows nothing. Apache shows nothing (even though the problematic zope is
>> refferenced directly to ZServer through port 8085)
>>
>>
>> The logging of REQUEST and SESSION reveal nothing. Putting in <dtml-var
>> sequence-key> doesnt show an miscreant <dtml-in> that loops one two many.
>> I am really lost....
>>
>> Its Zope-232 with PGSQL703, PoPy 2.01 and the latest ZPoPy adapter.
>> Perhaps there is a bug here or someone has expereinced the same thing?
>>
>>
>> I cant be more than vague without writing an essay... But perhaps someone
>> can tell me how to monitor the Zope stack?
>>
>>
>> Thanks very much,
>> Paz
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
>
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From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Mon May 14 17:02:31 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:02:31 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot News
References: <3AFFFB67.D03CEA9D@nipltd.com> <007701c0dc8d$60b22140$5c773fc1@media1> <3B000025.CD216633@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <008901c0dc8f$5015bd90$5c773fc1@media1>

Bout as fast as they come supposedly.

I've done quite a bit of playing with XML/XSL processors and the Python one,
despite what 4Thought say is still *way* too slow to be really usable.

The fastest I've tried is the Microsoft one, but I don't suppose you want to
limit Squishdot to Win32 eh!.

Expat though is used in lot's of apps so must be pretty good, PHP uses it
for instance.

hth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
Cc: <squishdot@yahoogroups.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Squishdot News


> Phil Harris wrote:
> >
> > Doesn't Zope come with Expat and also a Python interface to it?
> >
> > <zopedir>/lib/python/Shared/DC/xml/pyexpat
>
> So it does :-)
>
> How fast is that compared to sax, xmllib or anything else you'd care to
> recommend?
> Where's the documentation?
>
> How would I got about building a very simple parser that has hooks for
open
> tags, closing tags, entities and data?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Mon May 14 17:03:56 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:03:56 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot News
References: <3AFFFB67.D03CEA9D@nipltd.com> <007701c0dc8d$60b22140$5c773fc1@media1> <3B000025.CD216633@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <008f01c0dc8f$7cf44070$5c773fc1@media1>

Another thing,

If you're going to use it then you might want to drop a line to Karl at
digicool, he uses it as the basis of ParsedXML (at least at the moment).


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
Cc: <squishdot@yahoogroups.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Squishdot News


> Phil Harris wrote:
> >
> > Doesn't Zope come with Expat and also a Python interface to it?
> >
> > <zopedir>/lib/python/Shared/DC/xml/pyexpat
>
> So it does :-)
>
> How fast is that compared to sax, xmllib or anything else you'd care to
> recommend?
> Where's the documentation?
>
> How would I got about building a very simple parser that has hooks for
open
> tags, closing tags, entities and data?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris



From Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca  Mon May 14 17:02:41 2001
From: Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca (Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:02:41 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ODBC DSN file
Message-ID: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E011FE231@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>

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Thanks Thomas, good idea.  I will use LocalFS to list all the files in =
my
directory.

All I need, is a way to change the DSN parameters on the fly to point =
to the
needed Excel file.  I don't want to create 100 DSN!!!  That's why I =
wonder
if Zope can use File DSN instead of Sytem or User DSN.

Maybe there would be a way to import my Excel sheets without ODBC?  I =
need
them the way they are, not in CSV  format or anything...

But again, thanks for the tip!



-----Message d'origine-----
De : Thomas B. Passin [mailto:tpassin@mitretek.org]
Envoy=E9 : lundi 14 mai 2001 11:45
=C0 : zope@zope.org
Objet : Re: [Zope] ODBC DSN file


[Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca>]

I created an ODBC System DSN, and it work fine.  But I have about
100 excel files, and I would like to develop an interface with a =
dropdown
list with all the excel files in my directory, choose one, and import =
it.

Any ideas how I could do that?  I tried to create a File DSN, but
Zope doesn't seem to detect it. With such a connection, I could change =
the
connection string into the DSN file when needed.

[Tom]
If you always know where the files are located, you could use the =
LocalFS
product.  Or you could write a simple python external method.

Cheers,

Tom P


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From mail@peterbe.com  Mon May 14 17:03:29 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:03:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZExternalNews crashing things for my Connection
Message-ID: <021b01c0dc8f$b03bd880$1c64a8c0@PBN>

I installed ZExternalNews and set up a couple of Managers in a test folder.
Restarting Zope with -D in the DOS propmt, this is the first two lines:

ZExternalNewsManager AutoUpdate started, will awake every 15 minutes.
ZExternalNewsManager AutoUpdate started, will awake every 15 minutes.


And after the usual info about hostname and such, this error message is
printed:

2001-05-14T15:32:04 ERROR(200) ZODB Couldn't load state for
'\000\000\000\000\0
0\002\243['
Traceback (innermost last):
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\ZODB\Connection.py, line 477, in setstate
AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute 'load'

Zope works. And it is difficult to know if it's slowed or not because it's
"too fast" here on my localhost.
The errormessage comes from the Zope component lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py

Do you have any ideas why this is so? Is it bad? What to do?

If you need more details, tell me and I shall try. The usual:
Zope Version  Zope 2.3.0 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86)
Python Version  1.5.2 (#0, Jul 30 1999, 09:52:18) [MSC 32 bit (Intel)]
System Platform  win32




From lstafford@morphics.com  Mon May 14 17:14:58 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:14:58 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Check for bad links?
In-Reply-To: <3AFD5E0E.9065C9EA@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICOEKPGGAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

I use the third party indexing service Atomz (www.atomz.com). As a byproduct
of indexing, they provided an error report which shows any broken links. Of
course, your site must be accessible from the Internet (doesn't work on a
private intranet).

-- Loren

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Paul
> Winkler
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 09:00
> To: Zope mailing list
> Subject: [Zope] Check for bad links?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know a free, Zope-friendly link checker?
> It's tedious hunting down bad URLs in my pages by hand.
>
> The link checking programs I've tried don't seem to like Zope...
> --
> ...................    paul winkler   ....................
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From p.dejong@melissendejong.nl  Mon May 14 18:07:44 2001
From: p.dejong@melissendejong.nl (Peter de Jong)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:07:44 +0100
Subject: Exception from connection close was: Re: [Zope] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200105141613.SAA12043@smtp8.xs4all.nl>

Thak you for your reply,

I don't think this is the only problem; I am afraid that Zope 
on my machine is very instable; it starts an new process each time I
try to change and test a sql-method (at least from a Opera-client; from
Netscape changing an testing of the same method results in killing
the server).

Hardly a robust platform.

I don't know what further to do.

sincerely 
Peter de Jong

14-05-2001 17:23:30, Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de> schreef:

>Hi Peter,
>
>this is usually the result of the user side closed
>connection before zserver was ready with serving.
>This may indicate there are some querys which take
>a long time so the user hits the "stop" button on
>her/his browser.
>
>Regards
>Tino Wildenhain
>

 




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 14 17:20:25 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:20:25 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot News
References: <3AFFFB67.D03CEA9D@nipltd.com> <007701c0dc8d$60b22140$5c773fc1@media1> <3B000025.CD216633@nipltd.com> <008f01c0dc8f$7cf44070$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <3B0005C9.E94DF4DD@nipltd.com>

Phil Harris wrote:
> 
> Another thing,
> 
> If you're going to use it then you might want to drop a line to Karl at
> digicool, he uses it as the basis of ParsedXML (at least at the moment).

I'll be off to renew my subscription to the ParsedXML list then :-)

cheers,

Chris


From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Mon May 14 17:21:51 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:21:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Permissions Problems
Message-ID: <20010514162151.27030.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com>

I've been messing with Zope for about a day and a half
and have already managed to break something (I think).


I am unable to delete any previously created folders
with any of my manager accounts or the main admin
account. 

I also cannot View *anything*, but can still manage
users in all my folders as well as edit files in those
folders.

I have one folder that I can't even access at all no
matter who I log in as.

I can't even view the Quickstart or the main root
page.

I have deleted all the acl_user folders from all my
sub-folders. I have made sure the Security settings in
root and all of my folders make sense (Manager can do
everything, Anon can view not change, Owner can do
nothing). Yet I can't do anything useful. It seems
like my entire site is private, but the settings for
root don't coincide with this. 

Any help is greatly appreciated, this is driving me
nuts.

--
Rahsheen Porter

__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
http://auctions.yahoo.com/


From drees@the-bridge.net  Mon May 14 17:22:32 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:22:32 -0500
Subject: Exception from connection close was: Re: [Zope] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200105141613.SAA12043@smtp8.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOMEPGDGAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> Hardly a robust platform.
>
> I don't know what further to do.

Ad Hominem attacks on a platform that is running reliably for many users is
not the best way to get help. In my experience your assertion is patently
false. Zope is immensely robust. And very stable. Every problem I have had
with Zope stability has turned out to be problems in my own source, or use
of alpha and beta release products.

Trim back your products to products marked stable. Then try to isolate a
reproducable crash condition. Try to make your fail case dependant on very
few products. This is the BEST way to get help.





From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May 14 17:27:39 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:27:39 -0400
Subject: Exception from connection close was: Re: [Zope] (no subject)
References: <200105141613.SAA12043@smtp8.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <017301c0dc92$cd8b2c80$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Hi Peter,

Which database adatper are you using?

- C

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter de Jong" <p.dejong@melissendejong.nl>
To: "Tino Wildenhain" <tino@wildenhain.de>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Exception from connection close was: Re: [Zope] (no subject)


> Thak you for your reply,
> 
> I don't think this is the only problem; I am afraid that Zope 
> on my machine is very instable; it starts an new process each time I
> try to change and test a sql-method (at least from a Opera-client; from
> Netscape changing an testing of the same method results in killing
> the server).
> 
> Hardly a robust platform.
> 
> I don't know what further to do.
> 
> sincerely 
> Peter de Jong
> 
> 14-05-2001 17:23:30, Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de> schreef:
> 
> >Hi Peter,
> >
> >this is usually the result of the user side closed
> >connection before zserver was ready with serving.
> >This may indicate there are some querys which take
> >a long time so the user hits the "stop" button on
> >her/his browser.
> >
> >Regards
> >Tino Wildenhain
> >
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Mon May 14 17:44:21 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:44:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
Message-ID: <039b01c0dc95$238a7c10$0301a8c0@provence>

Hi,

I always have an error when I try to pack the database from manage interface
(whatever the number of days I want to keep).
Zope 2.3.2/Linux.
It worked before upgrading from 2.3.0 to 2.3.2, with the version upgrader
(not the full installer)
Is there something I should do prior packing the database ?

TIA

-- Gilles
==============================
Zope Error
Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
Error Type: IOError
Error Value: [Errno 5] Input/output error




Troubleshooting Suggestions
The URL may be incorrect.
The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect.
A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering an error.
For more detailed information about the error, please refer to the HTML
source for this page.
If the error persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank you for your
patience.


Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
223, in publish_module
  File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
187, in publish
  File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221,
in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Fake)
  File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
171, in publish
  File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line
160, in mapply
    (Object: manage_pack)
  File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
112, in call_object
    (Object: manage_pack)
  File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/App/ApplicationManager.py,
line 411, in manage_pack
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZODB/DB.py, line 534, in
pack
  File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/zLOG.py, line 213, in LOG
  File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZLogger/ZLogger.py, line
17, in log_write
  File
/usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZLogger/stupidFileLogger.py, line
99, in __call__
  File
/usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZLogger/stupidFileLogger.py, line
151, in stupid_log_write
IOError: (see above)



From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May 14 17:46:24 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:46:24 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
References: <039b01c0dc95$238a7c10$0301a8c0@provence>
Message-ID: <01d401c0dc95$6a0c1b30$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Check to make sure you have space available on the partition which holds the
STUPID_LOG_FILE.  Make sure the user who the process is running under has
write access to the file.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:44 PM
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs


> Hi,
>
> I always have an error when I try to pack the database from manage
interface
> (whatever the number of days I want to keep).
> Zope 2.3.2/Linux.
> It worked before upgrading from 2.3.0 to 2.3.2, with the version upgrader
> (not the full installer)
> Is there something I should do prior packing the database ?
>
> TIA
>
> -- Gilles
> ==============================
> Zope Error
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> Error Type: IOError
> Error Value: [Errno 5] Input/output error
>
>
>
>
> Troubleshooting Suggestions
> The URL may be incorrect.
> The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect.
> A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering an error.
> For more detailed information about the error, please refer to the HTML
> source for this page.
> If the error persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank you for
your
> patience.
>
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line
> 223, in publish_module
>   File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line
> 187, in publish
>   File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line
221,
> in zpublisher_exception_hook
>     (Object: Fake)
>   File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line
> 171, in publish
>   File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py,
line
> 160, in mapply
>     (Object: manage_pack)
>   File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line
> 112, in call_object
>     (Object: manage_pack)
>   File
/usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/App/ApplicationManager.py,
> line 411, in manage_pack
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZODB/DB.py, line 534, in
> pack
>   File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/zLOG.py, line 213, in LOG
>   File /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZLogger/ZLogger.py, line
> 17, in log_write
>   File
> /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZLogger/stupidFileLogger.py,
line
> 99, in __call__
>   File
> /usr/src/Zope-2.3.0-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZLogger/stupidFileLogger.py,
line
> 151, in stupid_log_write
> IOError: (see above)
>
>
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From mindlace@digicool.com  Mon May 14 17:56:44 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:56:44 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot News
In-Reply-To: <3AFFFB67.D03CEA9D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <93450000.989859404@localhost.localdomain>

--On Monday, May 14, 2001 16:36:07 +0100 Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> 
wrote:
> I am planning a 1.2.0 release once I figure out how to make sgmllib.py
> not to stupid things with XHTML.
> Anyone who's interested in this, please give me a shout :-)
> (Does Zope 2.3.2+ ship with a fast XML parser? If so, what's it called
> and where do I import it from?)

Look at how ZPT addresses the issue, chris... i know they did a lot of work 
in this area.


--
ethan mindlace fremen
zopatista community liason


From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Mon May 14 17:55:31 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:55:31 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Separating assignments in Z SQL Updates
Message-ID: <200105140955310170.00E55669@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

I'm trying to write a ZSQL method that will do a general
update to a record. I started out attempting to do what I
thought was the 'normal' thing:

update Table set name1='value1', name2='value2',
name3='value3' [...] where id='idvalue';

I wanted to use dtml to automatically build a statement
that would only assign values if new values existed. The
problem with this is the commas: you have to have commas
between the assignments, but you can have a comma after the
last assignment. And I couldn't figure out how to
conditionally insert the commas.

After fooling around and hunting for awhile, the best I
could come up with is a separate 'update' statement inside
an 'if', for each field. So it looks like this:

<dtml-if due_date>
update Invoices set due_date = <dtml-sqlvar due_date
type="string">
where <dtml-sqltest invoice_id op=eq type=string><dtml-var
sql_delimiter>
</dtml-if>
<dtml-if purchase_order_id>
update Invoices set  purchase_order_id = <dtml-sqlvar
purchase_order_id type="string">
where <dtml-sqltest invoice_id op=eq type=string><dtml-var
sql_delimiter>
</dtml-if>
<dtml-if ship_name>
update Invoices set  ship_name = <dtml-sqlvar ship_name
type="string">
where <dtml-sqltest invoice_id op=eq type=string><dtml-var
sql_delimiter>
</dtml-if>

This works, but it seems awfully awkward to me. Is there a
way to insert commas instead, or a better solution in
general for this problem?

Thanks.
Bruce



From jason_zope@yahoo.com  Mon May 14 17:56:53 2001
From: jason_zope@yahoo.com (Jason Byron)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:56:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Session Tracking w/ login management?
Message-ID: <20010514165653.14854.qmail@web4604.mail.yahoo.com>

Is core session tracking going to be integrated into the 
access system in future zope versions?  My real question
is: will we be able to redirect users to a login screen when
they try to access unauthorized pages, or their login has
expired?  And, will it be able to redirect people to their
originally requested page after they verify access? 
(like login managers do now)

thanks in advance

Jason

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From mauricio@catho.com.br  Mon May 14 18:12:09 2001
From: mauricio@catho.com.br (Mauricio Souza Lima)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:12:09 -0300
Subject: [Zope] Auth w/ Virt. hosting
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105140746230.16728-100000@praha>
Message-ID: <3B0011E9.3CDEFB2A@yahoo.com.br>

is riverspirit the domain of the apache server too?

"Jason C. Leach" wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Here is a pretty standard rule:
> 
> <IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
>         RewriteEngine   On
>         RewriteLog      "/var/log/apache/rewrite_log"
>         RewriteLogLevel 0
>         RewriteRule     ^/local/ - [L]
>         RewriteRule
>    ^/(.*) http://www.riverspirit.ca:9673/riverspirit.ca/$1 [P]
> </IfModule>
> 
> j.
> ......................
> ..... Jason C. Leach
> ... University College of the Cariboo.
> ..
> 
> On Mon, 14 May 2001, Mauricio Souza Lima wrote:
> 
> > Show us the RewriteRules and Conds and the virtual hosts names so we can
> > help you...
> >
> > Reagards,
> >
> > "Jason C. Leach" wrote:
> > >
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > I have 3 sites hosted on 1 zope server. Apache is on the front re-writing
> > > the URLs and interacting w/ SiteRoot on Zope.  Zope seems to always ask me
> > > for a user/pass when I do somehting like edit a file or change
> > > folders.  Is this just the way it is, or can I get around it?
> > >
> > > j.
> > >
> > > ......................
> > > ..... Jason C. Leach
> > > ... University College of the Cariboo.
> > > ..
> > >

-- 
Mauricio Souza Lima
WebDeveloper - Catho ONLINE
mauricio@catho.com.br www.catho.com.br
mauriciosl@yahoo.com.br


From Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca  Mon May 14 18:13:58 2001
From: Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca (Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:13:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ODBC DSN file
Message-ID: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E012130DA@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>

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I found that I can pass the filename of the Excel file I want in the
connection string with the DBQ parameter.

How could I pass this parameter in the Z ODBC connection string?  Have =
I to
modify the Zope source code?  If so, wich file?



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[mailto:Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca]
Envoy=E9 : lundi 14 mai 2001 12:03
=C0 : tpassin@mitretek.org; zope@zope.org
Objet : RE: [Zope] ODBC DSN file


Thanks Thomas, good idea.  I will use LocalFS to list all the files in =
my
directory.=20
All I need, is a way to change the DSN parameters on the fly to point =
to the
needed Excel file.  I don't want to create 100 DSN!!!  That's why I =
wonder
if Zope can use File DSN instead of Sytem or User DSN.
Maybe there would be a way to import my Excel sheets without ODBC?  I =
need
them the way they are, not in CSV  format or anything...
But again, thanks for the tip!=20



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dropdown=20
list with all the excel files in my directory, choose one, and import =
it.=20
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the=20
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[Tom]=20
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LocalFS=20
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connection string?&nbsp; Have I to modify the Zope source code?&nbsp; =
If so, wich file?</FONT></P>
<BR>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;-----Message d'origine-----</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Objet : RE: [Zope] ODBC DSN file</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks Thomas, good idea.&nbsp; I will use LocalFS to =
list all the files in my directory. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>All I need, is a way to change the DSN parameters on =
the fly to point to the needed Excel file.&nbsp; I don't want to create =
100 DSN!!!&nbsp; That's why I wonder if Zope can use File DSN instead =
of Sytem or User DSN.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Maybe there would be a way to import my Excel sheets =
without ODBC?&nbsp; I need them the way they are, not in CSV&nbsp; =
format or anything...</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>But again, thanks for the tip! </FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Message d'origine----- </FONT>
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HREF=3D"mailto:tpassin@mitretek.org">mailto:tpassin@mitretek.org</A>] =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Envoy=E9 : lundi 14 mai 2001 11:45 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=C0 : zope@zope.org </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I created an ODBC System DSN, and it work =
fine.&nbsp; But I have about </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>100 excel files, and I would like to develop an =
interface with a dropdown </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>list with all the excel files in my directory, =
choose one, and import it. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Any ideas how I could do that?&nbsp; I tried to =
create a File DSN, but </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Zope doesn't seem to detect it. With such a =
connection, I could change the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>connection string into the DSN file when needed. =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[Tom] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>If you always know where the files are located, you =
could use the LocalFS </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>product.&nbsp; Or you could write a simple python =
external method. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cheers, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Tom P </FONT>
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From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Mon May 14 18:21:09 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:21:09 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
References: <039b01c0dc95$238a7c10$0301a8c0@provence> <01d401c0dc95$6a0c1b30$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <042a01c0dc9b$17a450a0$0301a8c0@provence>

Thanks Chris...

I got 4 Gb left on the partition. Not enough for that log ?
There is no STUPID_LOG_FILE environment var set on the server !
Thus (as far as my poor brain can understand) nothing should be logged !
So shouldn't this log to stderr or /dev/null (?)
And there was no such problem with Zope 2.3.0.

I got the same problem on my 2 Zope prodction servers on Linux.
On the development server (Win2k/Zope 2.3.2), there's no such problem.

And last... The data don't pack. (A cause or a consequence ?)

Thanks

-- Gilles

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris McDonough
To: Gilles Lenfant ; zope@zope.org
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs


Check to make sure you have space available on the partition which holds the
STUPID_LOG_FILE.  Make sure the user who the process is running under has
write access to the file.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:44 PM
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs





From karl@digicool.com  Mon May 14 18:21:35 2001
From: karl@digicool.com (Karl Anderson)
Date: 14 May 2001 10:21:35 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot News
In-Reply-To: "Phil Harris"'s message of "Mon, 14 May 2001 17:03:56 +0100"
References: <3AFFFB67.D03CEA9D@nipltd.com> <007701c0dc8d$60b22140$5c773fc1@media1> <3B000025.CD216633@nipltd.com> <008f01c0dc8f$7cf44070$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <m04runvobk.fsf@dclxvi.foobar.not>

"Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk> writes:

> Another thing,
> 
> If you're going to use it then you might want to drop a line to Karl at
> digicool, he uses it as the basis of ParsedXML (at least at the moment).

We use our own checkout of pyexpat for ParsedXML, but only because we
need some features that aren't in the release yet.

> From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
> Cc: <squishdot@yahoogroups.com>; <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Squishdot News

> > How would I got about building a very simple parser that has hooks for
> open
> > tags, closing tags, entities and data?

Docs are at the xml-sig pages, get there from python.org.
For an example, see how ParsedXML does it in the ExpatBuilder.py file
of its distribution.

-- 
Karl Anderson                          karl@digicool.com


From andym@ActiveState.com  Mon May 14 18:43:27 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:43:27 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Separating assignments in Z SQL Updates
References: <200105140955310170.00E55669@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <002301c0dc9d$62e33ed0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Heres one solution:

In a python script / external method it is very easy to prepare sql in
python and then add it into the REQUEST as a string called say sql_extra. I
prepare the a skeletal ZSQL statement along the lines of:

UPDATE Foo SET <dtml-var sql_extra>

sql_extra will be pulled from the REQUEST.

Doing it in python is your best bet.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Eckel" <Bruce@EckelObjects.com>
To: "password horpz" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:55 AM
Subject: [Zope] Separating assignments in Z SQL Updates


> I'm trying to write a ZSQL method that will do a general
> update to a record. I started out attempting to do what I
> thought was the 'normal' thing:
>
> update Table set name1='value1', name2='value2',
> name3='value3' [...] where id='idvalue';
>
> I wanted to use dtml to automatically build a statement
> that would only assign values if new values existed. The
> problem with this is the commas: you have to have commas
> between the assignments, but you can have a comma after the
> last assignment. And I couldn't figure out how to
> conditionally insert the commas.
>
> After fooling around and hunting for awhile, the best I
> could come up with is a separate 'update' statement inside
> an 'if', for each field. So it looks like this:
>
> <dtml-if due_date>
> update Invoices set due_date = <dtml-sqlvar due_date
> type="string">
> where <dtml-sqltest invoice_id op=eq type=string><dtml-var
> sql_delimiter>
> </dtml-if>
> <dtml-if purchase_order_id>
> update Invoices set  purchase_order_id = <dtml-sqlvar
> purchase_order_id type="string">
> where <dtml-sqltest invoice_id op=eq type=string><dtml-var
> sql_delimiter>
> </dtml-if>
> <dtml-if ship_name>
> update Invoices set  ship_name = <dtml-sqlvar ship_name
> type="string">
> where <dtml-sqltest invoice_id op=eq type=string><dtml-var
> sql_delimiter>
> </dtml-if>
>
> This works, but it seems awfully awkward to me. Is there a
> way to insert commas instead, or a better solution in
> general for this problem?
>
> Thanks.
> Bruce
>
>
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From tpassin@mitretek.org  Mon May 14 18:46:41 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:46:41 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Separating assignments in Z SQL Updates
References: <200105140955310170.00E55669@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01c0dc9d$d5697b90$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Bruce Eckel]

> I'm trying to write a ZSQL method that will do a general
> update to a record. I started out attempting to do what I
> thought was the 'normal' thing:
>
> update Table set name1='value1', name2='value2',
> name3='value3' [...] where id='idvalue';
>
> I wanted to use dtml to automatically build a statement
> that would only assign values if new values existed. The
> problem with this is the commas: you have to have commas
> between the assignments, but you can have a comma after the
> last assignment. And I couldn't figure out how to
> conditionally insert the commas.
>

Just for fun I came up with this approach.  The key is to have a dictionary
that returns a comma when you pass it a "1".  It's a lot cleaner than all
that conditional logic.  This has been tested and works.  The example
displays the string "A,B,C".

<dtml-let yesno="{0:'',1:','}">
   <dtml-let L="['A','B','C']">
      <dtml-let num="_.len(L)-1">
         <dtml-in L>
            <dtml-var "_['sequence-item']+yesno[_['sequence-index']<num]">
         </dtml-in>
      </dtml-let>
   </dtml-let>
</dtml-let>

Cheers,

Tom P



From astlj@hotmail.com  Mon May 14 18:58:59 2001
From: astlj@hotmail.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:58:59 -0800
Subject: [Zope] Most popular Session application
Message-ID: <F90NyYcKUHbY6OISo1W00002fb3@hotmail.com>

All,

I'm trying to determine which application is favored as the "Session 
application" to use with Zope. From what I have seen of CoreSessionTracking, 
this would be what I'd be interested in; but as of last Friday, I saw that 
it had some bugs with its timeout property.

Is there a product that Zope endorses? Or one that the community endorses?

Thanks in advance,
Tommy
_________________________________________________________________
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From jerome@levinux.org  Sun May 13 18:59:21 2001
From: jerome@levinux.org (=?iso-8859-1?q?J=E9r=F4me=20Loisel?=)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:59:21 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZWN - didn't they say it would be weekly?
In-Reply-To: <163090000.989733445@orlog>
References: <163090000.989733445@orlog>
Message-ID: <01051313592100.17658@levinux-lab>

Hello,

ethan mindlace fremen -- Dimanche 13 Mai 2001 01:57:
> --On 05/11/01 20:03:53 -0700 Jason Byron chiseled:
> > Didn't they say it would be weekly?
> >
> > Can't get enough of that zope stuff.
>
> Tonight.  8 days ... almost weekly. Sorry, friday was a 24hr day for me and
> so i'm a touch lagged.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for writing the Zope 
weekly news. I really appreciate it, on time or one day late. :-) Keep up the 
good work!

Cheers,

Jérôme Loisel

-- 
Jérôme Loisel, étudiant et webmestre
Lévinux: GNU/Linux pour la communauté
http://www.levinux.org/


From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May 14 19:12:22 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:12:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Session Tracking w/ login management?
References: <20010514165653.14854.qmail@web4604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <024d01c0dca1$6c755c90$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Core session tracking will likely not be a default part of the access
control system in any Zope release.  The purpose of the session tracking
system as it exists is to associate state between requests for *anonymous*
users.  This isn't to say that making use of the sessioning machinery for an
auth system wouldn't be useful, it's just unlikely that DC will make a user
folder implementation that makes any use of it... it's likely that someone
else will, though...

You can do the things you've asked about without loginmanager or session
tracking... for instance, Zope.org uses a modified version of the UserDB
user folder to allow folks to "go back to where they came from" after
logging in, and to redirect folks to a login screen when they're trying to
access a resource to which they don't have access.  You might want to ask
how this is done on the "zope-web" maillist.

- C



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Byron" <jason_zope@yahoo.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:56 PM
Subject: [Zope] Session Tracking w/ login management?


> Is core session tracking going to be integrated into the
> access system in future zope versions?  My real question
> is: will we be able to redirect users to a login screen when
> they try to access unauthorized pages, or their login has
> expired?  And, will it be able to redirect people to their
> originally requested page after they verify access?
> (like login managers do now)
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Jason
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
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>
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From michel@digicool.com  Mon May 14 19:11:41 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:11:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Re: Packaging (final) Zope book for Debian
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105141147270.18889-100000@wr-linux02>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105141110580.27752-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Andreas Tille wrote:

> On Thu May 10, 2001, Andreas Tille wrote:
> 
> > formerly I was able to check out Zope book beta from CVS via
> > 
> > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@c...:/cvsroot/zope-book login
> > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@c...:/cvsroot/zope-book
> > co zope-book
> > 
> > It seems that the modulname has changed in CVS from zope-book to Book.

It has always been "Book".

> > I managed to build a Debian package from the state of April 10th and didn't
> > checked out CVS repository since then.  Now I wanted to build the package
> > from the final source.  Is there any final source release?
> > Which source is the best one for a Debian package?

The CVS.

-Michel



From michel@digicool.com  Mon May 14 19:30:22 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:30:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] No module named ST???
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105130027130.26643-100000@mail.caliginous.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105141129470.27752-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 13 May 2001, Dan Jacobs wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I've just started getting the error "ImportError: No module named ST" when
> trying to use the online zope tutorial and Zwiki.  It seems to have
> started when I upgraded from 2.3.1 to 2.3.2 but it could be something else
> as I've been adding/deleting a few products.

I just tried the tutorial with a fresh 2.3.2, it works fine for
me.  Perhaps the upgrade is broken?  Do you see the same behavior when you
install a fresh 2.3.2?

-Michel



From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Mon May 14 19:33:23 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:33:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
Message-ID: <20010514183323.52127.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com>

I would really appreciate some help on this
permissions problem. Zope is extremely useless right
now since I can't View anything or access anything
Anonymously. All I can do is create/delete/modify
things. Doesn't matter what account I use or what
permissions I set...everything is all broke :)

--
Rahsheen Porter

__________________________________________________
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From mps_@hotmail.com  Mon May 14 19:35:58 2001
From: mps_@hotmail.com (matt standish)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:35:58 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Julian Date
Message-ID: <OE34SxzFXIB2wrN59C400002dba@hotmail.com>

Has anyone out there ever been able to work with Julian dates with ZOPE?  If
you are unfamiliar with a Julian date it is the year followed by the number
of day.  example: today is 01134 day.  01 is the year, today is the 134th
day of the year.  Thanks.


From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May 14 19:45:39 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:45:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
References: <039b01c0dc95$238a7c10$0301a8c0@provence> <01d401c0dc95$6a0c1b30$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <042a01c0dc9b$17a450a0$0301a8c0@provence>
Message-ID: <029b01c0dca6$1357d8e0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Oh wait.  Damn.  I had this conversation last week.  ;-)

You're starting Zope through something like this:

./start &

You then close the terminal window, and Zope's controlling terminal
disappears.... Zope is trying to send output to stdout, but stdout is gone.
You get the IOError.

Instead of starting Zope this way, start Zope from a terminal that doesn't
get closed.

- C



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs


> Thanks Chris...
>
> I got 4 Gb left on the partition. Not enough for that log ?
> There is no STUPID_LOG_FILE environment var set on the server !
> Thus (as far as my poor brain can understand) nothing should be logged !
> So shouldn't this log to stderr or /dev/null (?)
> And there was no such problem with Zope 2.3.0.
>
> I got the same problem on my 2 Zope prodction servers on Linux.
> On the development server (Win2k/Zope 2.3.2), there's no such problem.
>
> And last... The data don't pack. (A cause or a consequence ?)
>
> Thanks
>
> -- Gilles
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris McDonough
> To: Gilles Lenfant ; zope@zope.org
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
>
>
> Check to make sure you have space available on the partition which holds
the
> STUPID_LOG_FILE.  Make sure the user who the process is running under has
> write access to the file.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:44 PM
> Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
>
>
>
>
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From dan@caliginous.com  Mon May 14 19:43:57 2001
From: dan@caliginous.com (Dan Jacobs)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:43:57 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope] No module named ST???
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105141129470.27752-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105141942470.32742-100000@mail.caliginous.com>

Haven't tried a fresh install, I already have 1 live site and a
development site running off my zope install.  unfortunatly zwiki is a key
componant of a suite of intranet tools I am developing...

dj


On Mon, 14 May 2001, Michel Pelletier wrote:

> On Sun, 13 May 2001, Dan Jacobs wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I've just started getting the error "ImportError: No module named ST" when
> > trying to use the online zope tutorial and Zwiki.  It seems to have
> > started when I upgraded from 2.3.1 to 2.3.2 but it could be something else
> > as I've been adding/deleting a few products.
> 
> I just tried the tutorial with a fresh 2.3.2, it works fine for
> me.  Perhaps the upgrade is broken?  Do you see the same behavior when you
> install a fresh 2.3.2?
> 
> -Michel
> 
> 
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From jleach@mail.ocis.net  Mon May 14 19:51:56 2001
From: jleach@mail.ocis.net (Jason C. Leach)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:51:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Auth w/ Virt. hosting
In-Reply-To: <3B0011E9.3CDEFB2A@yahoo.com.br>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105141149500.16318-100000@praha>

hi,

I believe so, the entire entry looks like:

<VirtualHost 192.168.0.5>
ServerAdmin webmaster@jsthrower.com
ServerName www.riverspirit.ca
#DocumentRoot /var/www/riverspirit.ca/riverspirit
ErrorLog /var/log/apache/riverspirit.ca-error.log
TransferLog /var/log/apache/riverspirit.ca-access.log

<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
        RewriteEngine   On
        RewriteLog      "/var/log/apache/rewrite_log"
        RewriteLogLevel 0
        RewriteRule     ^/local/ - [L]
        RewriteRule
^/(.*) http://www.riverspirit.ca:9673/riverspirit.ca/$1
[P]
</IfModule>
</VirtualHost>

thanks,
j.

......................
..... Jason C. Leach
... University College of the Cariboo.
.. 

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Mauricio Souza Lima wrote:

> is riverspirit the domain of the apache server too?
> 
> "Jason C. Leach" wrote:
> > 
> > hi,
> > 
> > Here is a pretty standard rule:
> > 
> > <IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
> >         RewriteEngine   On
> >         RewriteLog      "/var/log/apache/rewrite_log"
> >         RewriteLogLevel 0
> >         RewriteRule     ^/local/ - [L]
> >         RewriteRule
> >    ^/(.*) http://www.riverspirit.ca:9673/riverspirit.ca/$1 [P]
> > </IfModule>
> > 
> > j.
> > ......................
> > ..... Jason C. Leach
> > ... University College of the Cariboo.
> > ..
> > 
> > On Mon, 14 May 2001, Mauricio Souza Lima wrote:
> > 
> > > Show us the RewriteRules and Conds and the virtual hosts names so we can
> > > help you...
> > >
> > > Reagards,
> > >
> > > "Jason C. Leach" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hi,
> > > >
> > > > I have 3 sites hosted on 1 zope server. Apache is on the front re-writing
> > > > the URLs and interacting w/ SiteRoot on Zope.  Zope seems to always ask me
> > > > for a user/pass when I do somehting like edit a file or change
> > > > folders.  Is this just the way it is, or can I get around it?
> > > >
> > > > j.
> > > >
> > > > ......................
> > > > ..... Jason C. Leach
> > > > ... University College of the Cariboo.
> > > > ..
> > > >
> 
> -- 
> Mauricio Souza Lima
> WebDeveloper - Catho ONLINE
> mauricio@catho.com.br www.catho.com.br
> mauriciosl@yahoo.com.br
> 
> 



From andym@ActiveState.com  Mon May 14 19:59:51 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:59:51 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Unique ids for each object
Message-ID: <001101c0dca8$12fb7620$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Alright so for my latest project Im thinking I need to implement a unique
number on each Zope object that obeys certain rules. For example increments
on an edit, doesnt on an import etc.

Anyone tried that or can give me a clue where to stick it in? Somewhere in
or just above the ZODB would be ideal...

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.





From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May 14 20:04:02 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:04:02 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Unique ids for each object
References: <001101c0dca8$12fb7620$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <02e201c0dca8$a428d610$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

_p_oid on every object is unique currently.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy McKay" <andym@ActiveState.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:59 PM
Subject: [Zope] Unique ids for each object


> Alright so for my latest project Im thinking I need to implement a unique
> number on each Zope object that obeys certain rules. For example
increments
> on an edit, doesnt on an import etc.
>
> Anyone tried that or can give me a clue where to stick it in? Somewhere in
> or just above the ZODB would be ideal...
>
> Cheers.
> --
>   Andy McKay.
>
>
>
>
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From tim@freepm.org  Mon May 14 20:04:47 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:04:47 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Julian Date
References: <OE34SxzFXIB2wrN59C400002dba@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B002C4F.B9033C99@iswt.com>

matt standish wrote:
> 
> Has anyone out there ever been able to work with Julian dates with ZOPE?  If
> you are unfamiliar with a Julian date it is the year followed by the number
> of day.  example: today is 01134 day.  01 is the year, today is the 134th
> day of the year.  Thanks.

In DTML:
<dtml-var expr="_.DateTime().yy()[1]"><dtml-var
expr="_.DateTime().dayOfYear()">

It would be cleaner in a Python Script though.

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Mon May 14 20:06:04 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:06:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Log-In to View?
Message-ID: <20010514190604.9317.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com>

Why is it that whenever I try to View anything I'm
prompted to login? The permissions clearly allow
anonymous access (even for the Root). Even a
"successful" login with a valid user account is
Unauthorized as far as Zope is concerned. What's going on?

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From tim@freepm.org  Mon May 14 20:06:59 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:06:59 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Julian Date
References: <OE34SxzFXIB2wrN59C400002dba@hotmail.com> <3B002C4F.B9033C99@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <3B002CD3.5C93E5B7@iswt.com>

Tim Cook wrote:
 
> In DTML:
> <dtml-var expr="_.DateTime().yy()[1]"><dtml-var
> expr="_.DateTime().dayOfYear()">
> 
> It would be cleaner in a Python Script though.

OOPS! I just noticed you wanted 5 digits instead of the four that
I am familiar with using:
<dtml-var expr="_.DateTime().yy()"><dtml-var
expr="_.DateTime().dayOfYear()">

-- 
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From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Mon May 14 20:25:18 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:25:18 -0500
Subject: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CC6@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

Well, Rahsheen, what did you do to bring zope to this state?  Is zope
running behind Apache or a different proxy?  Do you still have an acl_users
folder in the Zope root?  What are the current permissions settings for the
root folder?
Please give us more to work with than, "everything is all broke."

Thanks.
Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: Rahsheen Porter [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:33 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem


I would really appreciate some help on this
permissions problem. Zope is extremely useless right
now since I can't View anything or access anything
Anonymously. All I can do is create/delete/modify
things. Doesn't matter what account I use or what
permissions I set...everything is all broke :)

--
Rahsheen Porter

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From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Mon May 14 20:21:28 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:21:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
In-Reply-To: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CC6@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>
Message-ID: <20010514192128.11637.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> Well, Rahsheen, what did you do to bring zope to
> this state?  Is zope
> running behind Apache or a different proxy?  Do you
> still have an acl_users
> folder in the Zope root?  What are the current
> permissions settings for the
> root folder?
> Please give us more to work with than, "everything
> is all broke."

I was running behind Apache, but got rid of that so
clear things up a little. There is a Zope root
acl_users with 2 manager accounts. The root folder is
set up for the Manager to do everything, Anonymous can
only view things, and Owner does nothing. I can do
anything I want to the site except View the content.
It prompts for a password, but will always deny access
no matter what account I use. Anon access no longer exists...

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From andym@ActiveState.com  Mon May 14 20:32:35 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:32:35 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Unique ids for each object [Correction]
References: <001101c0dca8$12fb7620$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <02e201c0dca8$a428d610$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <001501c0dcac$a1da0740$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Yeah, sorry, I wasnt very clear there. _p_oid is a unique id, but if I
change it, I will start wimpering when everything goes wrong.

Thinking about it more, its not a unique id at all, more a revision number
that normally does x, but occasionally does something different. And of
course has to apply to all objects in the zodb. The more I think about it,
if there is a hook is available each time an object is written in the zodb I
could use that. Reading docs now :)

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
To: "Andy McKay" <andym@activestate.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Unique ids for each object


> _p_oid on every object is unique currently.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy McKay" <andym@ActiveState.com>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:59 PM
> Subject: [Zope] Unique ids for each object
>
>
> > Alright so for my latest project Im thinking I need to implement a
unique
> > number on each Zope object that obeys certain rules. For example
> increments
> > on an edit, doesnt on an import etc.
> >
> > Anyone tried that or can give me a clue where to stick it in? Somewhere
in
> > or just above the ZODB would be ideal...
> >
> > Cheers.
> > --
> >   Andy McKay.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Mon May 14 20:33:51 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:33:51 -0500
Subject: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CC7@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

Give Anon permission to "Access Contents Information".

That should fix it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rahsheen Porter [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:21 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem



--- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> Well, Rahsheen, what did you do to bring zope to
> this state?  Is zope
> running behind Apache or a different proxy?  Do you
> still have an acl_users
> folder in the Zope root?  What are the current
> permissions settings for the
> root folder?
> Please give us more to work with than, "everything
> is all broke."

I was running behind Apache, but got rid of that so
clear things up a little. There is a Zope root
acl_users with 2 manager accounts. The root folder is
set up for the Manager to do everything, Anonymous can
only view things, and Owner does nothing. I can do
anything I want to the site except View the content.
It prompts for a password, but will always deny access
no matter what account I use. Anon access no longer exists...

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From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Mon May 14 20:33:25 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:33:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
In-Reply-To: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CC7@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>
Message-ID: <20010514193325.90836.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com>

Already Done. I have Anon Access for:
Access Contents Information
Search ZCatalog
Use Database Methods
View

At the root level, yet I cannot view any objects at
this level or any below it.

--- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> Give Anon permission to "Access Contents
> Information".
> 
> That should fix it.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rahsheen Porter [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:21 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
> 
> 
> 
> --- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> > Well, Rahsheen, what did you do to bring zope to
> > this state?  Is zope
> > running behind Apache or a different proxy?  Do
> you
> > still have an acl_users
> > folder in the Zope root?  What are the current
> > permissions settings for the
> > root folder?
> > Please give us more to work with than, "everything
> > is all broke."
> 
> I was running behind Apache, but got rid of that so
> clear things up a little. There is a Zope root
> acl_users with 2 manager accounts. The root folder
> is
> set up for the Manager to do everything, Anonymous
> can
> only view things, and Owner does nothing. I can do
> anything I want to the site except View the content.
> It prompts for a password, but will always deny
> access
> no matter what account I use. Anon access no longer
> exists...
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great
> prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> 
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From eric@walstads.net  Mon May 14 20:44:16 2001
From: eric@walstads.net (Eric Walstad)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:44:16 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Trailing 'L' after number values
Message-ID: <NEBBIHDFELHAEMHJHFIEKEHJCKAA.eric@walstads.net>

Hi Neil,

I handle your problem like this in my MySQL queries:

SELECT CONV(MONTH(Birthday), 10, 10) AS BirthMonth ...yaddayaddayadda

The CONV function "Returns a string representation of the number N,
converted from base from_base to base to_base."
So in my case, MONTH was returning a Long data type which was displaying the
'L' in my query results.  I use CONV to convert the Long in base 10 to a
*String* representation of the number in base ten.  It's kind of a lame fix,
but it works!

There's a really cool searchable help system for MySQL at:
http://www.mysql.com/php/manual.php3

Hope that helps!

Eric.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Neil
> Blue
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:44 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Trailing 'L' after number values
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am getting integer numbers from mysql with a select clause. The values
> are stored as int types, however when I retrieve them via a Z SQL method
> and show them on a page, they display with a trailing 'L'.
>
> e.g.
>
> 12L
>
> instead of
>
> 12
>
> Does anyone know why this happens. It also occurs when I test an sql
> statement. However it has only recently started to do this and I am not
> sure why.
>
> Thanks
> Neil Blue
>
>
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From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Mon May 14 20:49:53 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:49:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
References: <039b01c0dc95$238a7c10$0301a8c0@provence> <01d401c0dc95$6a0c1b30$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <042a01c0dc9b$17a450a0$0301a8c0@provence> <029b01c0dca6$1357d8e0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <0ebe01c0dcaf$1b0df160$0301a8c0@provence>

Yes !

So I think I have to assign a STUPID_LOG_FILE environment var to some
/usr/zope/var/stupid.log. Cause I control this server through ssh in a (far
away from server) workstation  ???

Now there's no more this I/O Error when I make a direct "start" but it seems
that there are other problems...

Error Type: IOError
Error Value: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/zope/var/Data.fs.pack'

I corrected this by doing a dirty "chmod a+w /usr/zope/var/".
Hmmm. perhaps is there something more "secure" to do... Perhaps change the
owner of /usr/zope/var/ to "nobody" ???

Can't understand, it worked with zope 2.3.0...

Cheers

-- Gilles

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris McDonough
To: Gilles Lenfant ; zope@zope.org
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs


Oh wait.  Damn.  I had this conversation last week.  ;-)

You're starting Zope through something like this:

./start &

You then close the terminal window, and Zope's controlling terminal
disappears.... Zope is trying to send output to stdout, but stdout is gone.
You get the IOError.

Instead of starting Zope this way, start Zope from a terminal that doesn't
get closed.

- C



From Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca  Mon May 14 20:51:14 2001
From: Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca (Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:51:14 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Test - ignore
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From zope@thewebsons.com  Mon May 14 21:00:03 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:00:03 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Crazy Problem With Having to Restart Zope Won't Go Away!
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514125312.00a21270@thewebsons.com>

Hi;
For some reason, from what I can judge a bug in the source code that 
affects some unfortunate ones such as myself, ZServer crashes every few 
hours and has to be re-started. So I wrote this script:
 >>>
#!/bin/sh
while :
# if there's a page there, copy it to a test file
do `wget -q -t 3 -T 30  http://thewebsons.com:8080/index_html -O test`
# if there's something in the test file, go take a nap
  if grep '^<' test
  then
   sleep 60
# whoops! Why the heck does RH6.2 complain there's no ./start file?? 
Sometimes it complains, sometimes not. Hmmm...
  else if ./start
  then
   ./start &
   sleep 60
  else
   sleep 10
  fi
  fi
done
<<<
and just let the fool thing run (in the Zope installation). But now I get 
error messages stating ./start doesn't exist! That's why the *else if* 
stuff, but it _still isn't good enough! Come back hours later and Zope's 
dead as a doornail. Furthermore, my script's not running, either. I don't 
get it! What am I not seeing?
TIA,
BenO



From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Mon May 14 21:15:00 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:15:00 -0500
Subject: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CC8@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

Have you closed and reopened your browser?  Can you try it with a different
version or different browser.  Certain versions of IE have authentication
problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rahsheen Porter [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:33 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem


Already Done. I have Anon Access for:
Access Contents Information
Search ZCatalog
Use Database Methods
View

At the root level, yet I cannot view any objects at
this level or any below it.

--- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> Give Anon permission to "Access Contents
> Information".
> 
> That should fix it.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rahsheen Porter [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:21 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
> 
> 
> 
> --- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> > Well, Rahsheen, what did you do to bring zope to
> > this state?  Is zope
> > running behind Apache or a different proxy?  Do
> you
> > still have an acl_users
> > folder in the Zope root?  What are the current
> > permissions settings for the
> > root folder?
> > Please give us more to work with than, "everything
> > is all broke."
> 
> I was running behind Apache, but got rid of that so
> clear things up a little. There is a Zope root
> acl_users with 2 manager accounts. The root folder
> is
> set up for the Manager to do everything, Anonymous
> can
> only view things, and Owner does nothing. I can do
> anything I want to the site except View the content.
> It prompts for a password, but will always deny
> access
> no matter what account I use. Anon access no longer
> exists...
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great
> prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Mon May 14 21:11:59 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:11:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
In-Reply-To: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CC8@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>
Message-ID: <20010514201159.38486.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I've murdered IE 5.0 several times. I'll try an
upgrade and see if that helps. I was beginning to
think that was the problem. 

One thing I don't understand is how can I be
authenticated just fine to manage the resources, but
not the View them. If I'm not visiting a management
resource, why in the world would there need to be any
authentication? Especially if a folder doesn't even
contain an acl_users folder.

--- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> Have you closed and reopened your browser?  Can you
> try it with a different
> version or different browser.  Certain versions of
> IE have authentication
> problems.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rahsheen Porter [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:33 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
> 
> 
> Already Done. I have Anon Access for:
> Access Contents Information
> Search ZCatalog
> Use Database Methods
> View
> 
> At the root level, yet I cannot view any objects at
> this level or any below it.
> 
> --- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> > Give Anon permission to "Access Contents
> > Information".
> > 
> > That should fix it.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rahsheen Porter
> [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:21 PM
> > To: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> > > Well, Rahsheen, what did you do to bring zope to
> > > this state?  Is zope
> > > running behind Apache or a different proxy?  Do
> > you
> > > still have an acl_users
> > > folder in the Zope root?  What are the current
> > > permissions settings for the
> > > root folder?
> > > Please give us more to work with than,
> "everything
> > > is all broke."
> > 
> > I was running behind Apache, but got rid of that
> so
> > clear things up a little. There is a Zope root
> > acl_users with 2 manager accounts. The root folder
> > is
> > set up for the Manager to do everything, Anonymous
> > can
> > only view things, and Owner does nothing. I can do
> > anything I want to the site except View the
> content.
> > It prompts for a password, but will always deny
> > access
> > no matter what account I use. Anon access no
> longer
> > exists...
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great
> > prices
> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists - 
> > 
> >
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great
> prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> 
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From drees@the-bridge.net  Mon May 14 21:14:16 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:14:16 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Crazy Problem With Having to Restart Zope Won't Go Away!
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514125312.00a21270@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOAEBPDHAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> For some reason, from what I can judge a bug in the source code that 
> affects some unfortunate ones such as myself, ZServer crashes every few 
> hours and has to be re-started. So I wrote this script:

What file is this bug in?
What line number?




From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Mon May 14 21:27:17 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:27:17 -0500
Subject: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CC9@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

ok.  when you try to view http://hostname:8080/ it raises an authentication
box, right?
What does it say if you click cancel?
Is it:

Unauthorized.

You are not authorized to access this resource.

If yes, then you've got me stumped.  If not, I might still have a clue.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rahsheen Porter [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 3:12 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem


Yeah, I've murdered IE 5.0 several times. I'll try an
upgrade and see if that helps. I was beginning to
think that was the problem. 

One thing I don't understand is how can I be
authenticated just fine to manage the resources, but
not the View them. If I'm not visiting a management
resource, why in the world would there need to be any
authentication? Especially if a folder doesn't even
contain an acl_users folder.

--- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> Have you closed and reopened your browser?  Can you
> try it with a different
> version or different browser.  Certain versions of
> IE have authentication
> problems.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rahsheen Porter [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:33 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
> 
> 
> Already Done. I have Anon Access for:
> Access Contents Information
> Search ZCatalog
> Use Database Methods
> View
> 
> At the root level, yet I cannot view any objects at
> this level or any below it.
> 
> --- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> > Give Anon permission to "Access Contents
> > Information".
> > 
> > That should fix it.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rahsheen Porter
> [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:21 PM
> > To: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> > > Well, Rahsheen, what did you do to bring zope to
> > > this state?  Is zope
> > > running behind Apache or a different proxy?  Do
> > you
> > > still have an acl_users
> > > folder in the Zope root?  What are the current
> > > permissions settings for the
> > > root folder?
> > > Please give us more to work with than,
> "everything
> > > is all broke."
> > 
> > I was running behind Apache, but got rid of that
> so
> > clear things up a little. There is a Zope root
> > acl_users with 2 manager accounts. The root folder
> > is
> > set up for the Manager to do everything, Anonymous
> > can
> > only view things, and Owner does nothing. I can do
> > anything I want to the site except View the
> content.
> > It prompts for a password, but will always deny
> > access
> > no matter what account I use. Anon access no
> longer
> > exists...
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great
> > prices
> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists - 
> > 
> >
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great
> prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
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> 
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From kosh@aesaeion.com  Mon May 14 14:26:02 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:26:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
In-Reply-To: <20010514201159.38486.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105141325240.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>

Try using netscape just as a test. That should verify if it is an IE
problem or a zope problem. I don't think netscape had ever had problems
with zope so it should make a good test browser.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Rahsheen Porter wrote:

> Yeah, I've murdered IE 5.0 several times. I'll try an
> upgrade and see if that helps. I was beginning to
> think that was the problem.
>
> One thing I don't understand is how can I be
> authenticated just fine to manage the resources, but
> not the View them. If I'm not visiting a management
> resource, why in the world would there need to be any
> authentication? Especially if a folder doesn't even
> contain an acl_users folder.
>
> --- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> > Have you closed and reopened your browser?  Can you
> > try it with a different
> > version or different browser.  Certain versions of
> > IE have authentication
> > problems.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rahsheen Porter [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:33 PM
> > To: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
> >
> >
> > Already Done. I have Anon Access for:
> > Access Contents Information
> > Search ZCatalog
> > Use Database Methods
> > View
> >
> > At the root level, yet I cannot view any objects at
> > this level or any below it.
> >
> > --- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> > > Give Anon permission to "Access Contents
> > > Information".
> > >
> > > That should fix it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rahsheen Porter
> > [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:21 PM
> > > To: zope@zope.org
> > > Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> > > > Well, Rahsheen, what did you do to bring zope to
> > > > this state?  Is zope
> > > > running behind Apache or a different proxy?  Do
> > > you
> > > > still have an acl_users
> > > > folder in the Zope root?  What are the current
> > > > permissions settings for the
> > > > root folder?
> > > > Please give us more to work with than,
> > "everything
> > > > is all broke."
> > >
> > > I was running behind Apache, but got rid of that
> > so
> > > clear things up a little. There is a Zope root
> > > acl_users with 2 manager accounts. The root folder
> > > is
> > > set up for the Manager to do everything, Anonymous
> > > can
> > > only view things, and Owner does nothing. I can do
> > > anything I want to the site except View the
> > content.
> > > It prompts for a password, but will always deny
> > > access
> > > no matter what account I use. Anon access no
> > longer
> > > exists...
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great
> > > prices
> > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > > (Related lists -
> > >
> > >
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great
> > prices
> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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>



From mps_@hotmail.com  Mon May 14 21:26:34 2001
From: mps_@hotmail.com (matt standish)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:26:34 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Julian Date
References: <OE34SxzFXIB2wrN59C400002dba@hotmail.com> <3B002C4F.B9033C99@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <OE47E8i7qgzyUxXMCVj00002e1b@hotmail.com>

thanks for you help!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cook" <twcook@iswt.com>
To: "matt standish" <mps_@hotmail.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 14:04
Subject: Re: [Zope] Julian Date


> matt standish wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone out there ever been able to work with Julian dates with ZOPE?
If
> > you are unfamiliar with a Julian date it is the year followed by the
number
> > of day.  example: today is 01134 day.  01 is the year, today is the
134th
> > day of the year.  Thanks.
>
> In DTML:
> <dtml-var expr="_.DateTime().yy()[1]"><dtml-var
> expr="_.DateTime().dayOfYear()">
>
> It would be cleaner in a Python Script though.
>
> --
> Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc.
> http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
> ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM
>
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From jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu  Mon May 14 20:28:57 2001
From: jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu (John Hunter)
Date: 14 May 2001 14:28:57 -0500
Subject: [Zope] squishdot IOBtree dependency problem
Message-ID: <1ritj3vifa.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>

I am trying to install squishdot-1-1-0 with zope-2.3.0.

When I try to restart Zope after unpacking squishdot in the Products
dir, I get the error

  File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/Squishdot/__init__.py, line 122, in ?
  File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/Squishdot/Squishdot.py, line 161, in ?
  File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/Squishdot/SquishSite.py, line 13, in ?
ImportError: No module named BTrees.IOBTree

SquishSite.py line 13 reads 'from BTrees.IOBTree import IOBTree'.

I notice that I have IOBtree c src files and shared libraries in my
zope distribution:

nitace:/usr/local/Zope> find . -name "IOBTree*"
./lib/Components/BTree/IOBTree.c
./lib/python/IOBTree.so

Is my build incomplete?

Any advice on what should be done?

Thanks,
John Hunter 


From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Mon May 14 21:33:41 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:33:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
In-Reply-To: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CC9@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>
Message-ID: <20010514203341.65985.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com>

That's exactly what it says. Could it have anything to
do with the fact that I'm behind a pretty restrictive
proxy/firewall? I'd think not, but at this point I'm
hoping for anything. Also, upgrading to IE5.5 didn't
change a thing. Same xact problems.

Another weirrd thing I notice is that I can't change
the Proxy settings for an object w/o being prompted
(ultimately being told I have no access). What makes
this operation special?

I hope I don't have these same problems when I get
back home to the server...

--- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> ok.  when you try to view http://hostname:8080/ it
> raises an authentication
> box, right?
> What does it say if you click cancel?
> Is it:
> 
> Unauthorized.
> 
> You are not authorized to access this resource.
> 
> If yes, then you've got me stumped.  If not, I might
> still have a clue.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rahsheen Porter [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 3:12 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
> 
> 
> Yeah, I've murdered IE 5.0 several times. I'll try
> an
> upgrade and see if that helps. I was beginning to
> think that was the problem. 
> 
> One thing I don't understand is how can I be
> authenticated just fine to manage the resources, but
> not the View them. If I'm not visiting a management
> resource, why in the world would there need to be
> any
> authentication? Especially if a folder doesn't even
> contain an acl_users folder.
> 
> --- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> > Have you closed and reopened your browser?  Can
> you
> > try it with a different
> > version or different browser.  Certain versions of
> > IE have authentication
> > problems.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rahsheen Porter
> [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:33 PM
> > To: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions Problem
> > 
> > 
> > Already Done. I have Anon Access for:
> > Access Contents Information
> > Search ZCatalog
> > Use Database Methods
> > View
> > 
> > At the root level, yet I cannot view any objects
> at
> > this level or any below it.
> > 
> > --- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com> wrote:
> > > Give Anon permission to "Access Contents
> > > Information".
> > > 
> > > That should fix it.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rahsheen Porter
> > [mailto:cipher_atl@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:21 PM
> > > To: zope@zope.org
> > > Subject: RE: [Zope] In Ref to: Permissions
> Problem
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- "Farrell, Troy" <troy.farrell@wcg.com>
> wrote:
> > > > Well, Rahsheen, what did you do to bring zope
> to
> > > > this state?  Is zope
> > > > running behind Apache or a different proxy? 
> Do
> > > you
> > > > still have an acl_users
> > > > folder in the Zope root?  What are the current
> > > > permissions settings for the
> > > > root folder?
> > > > Please give us more to work with than,
> > "everything
> > > > is all broke."
> > > 
> > > I was running behind Apache, but got rid of that
> > so
> > > clear things up a little. There is a Zope root
> > > acl_users with 2 manager accounts. The root
> folder
> > > is
> > > set up for the Manager to do everything,
> Anonymous
> > > can
> > > only view things, and Owner does nothing. I can
> do
> > > anything I want to the site except View the
> > content.
> > > It prompts for a password, but will always deny
> > > access
> > > no matter what account I use. Anon access no
> > longer
> > > exists...
> > > 
> > >
> __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at
> great
> > > prices
> > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> > > 
> > >
> >
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> > >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev
> )
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great
> > prices
> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great
> prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> 
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From kosh@aesaeion.com  Mon May 14 14:41:32 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:41:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] squishdot IOBtree dependency problem
In-Reply-To: <1ritj3vifa.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105141340440.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>

It says on the download page for it that it only works on zope 2.3.2 and
above. That was also in the announce page for the new version. Upgrade
zope then it will work.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On 14 May 2001, John Hunter wrote:

> I am trying to install squishdot-1-1-0 with zope-2.3.0.
>
> When I try to restart Zope after unpacking squishdot in the Products
> dir, I get the error
>
>   File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/Squishdot/__init__.py, line 122, in ?
>   File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/Squishdot/Squishdot.py, line 161, in ?
>   File /usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/Squishdot/SquishSite.py, line 13, in ?
> ImportError: No module named BTrees.IOBTree
>
> SquishSite.py line 13 reads 'from BTrees.IOBTree import IOBTree'.
>
> I notice that I have IOBtree c src files and shared libraries in my
> zope distribution:
>
> nitace:/usr/local/Zope> find . -name "IOBTree*"
> ./lib/Components/BTree/IOBTree.c
> ./lib/python/IOBTree.so
>
> Is my build incomplete?
>
> Any advice on what should be done?
>
> Thanks,
> John Hunter
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu  Mon May 14 20:39:08 2001
From: jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu (John Hunter)
Date: 14 May 2001 14:39:08 -0500
Subject: [Zope] squishdot IOBtree dependency problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105141340440.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105141340440.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <1rbsovvhyb.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>

>>>>> "kosh" == kosh  <kosh@aesaeion.com> writes:

    kosh> It says on the download page for it that it only works on
    kosh> zope 2.3.2 and above. That was also in the announce page for
    kosh> the new version. Upgrade zope then it will work.

Thanks!

I do feel stupid, BTW.  Just for the record, I did peruse the
Installation page for version requirements and found nothing.  Shoulda
checked the download page too....

JDH


From kosh@aesaeion.com  Mon May 14 14:47:47 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:47:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] squishdot IOBtree dependency problem
In-Reply-To: <1rbsovvhyb.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105141347320.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>

Yeah it was not put in enough pages.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On 14 May 2001, John Hunter wrote:

> >>>>> "kosh" == kosh  <kosh@aesaeion.com> writes:
>
>     kosh> It says on the download page for it that it only works on
>     kosh> zope 2.3.2 and above. That was also in the announce page for
>     kosh> the new version. Upgrade zope then it will work.
>
> Thanks!
>
> I do feel stupid, BTW.  Just for the record, I did peruse the
> Installation page for version requirements and found nothing.  Shoulda
> checked the download page too....
>
> JDH
>



From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Mon May 14 21:50:40 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:50:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Zope and IE5.5
Message-ID: <20010514205040.77043.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com>

Anyone currently having Authentication problems with
Zope and IE5.5?

---
Rahsheen

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
http://auctions.yahoo.com/


From gardner@networknow.org  Mon May 14 22:07:30 2001
From: gardner@networknow.org (Gardner Pomper)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:07:30 -0700
Subject: [Zope] External methods and DTML ?
Message-ID: <200105141407.AA18219604@mail.networknow.org>

Hi,

I am using Zope to build a front end to a bunch of Unix processes. I need to use external methods to read/write files and kick off the jobs. In these external methods, I use DocumentTemplate.HTMLFile() to build the HTML forms for data entry.

My problem is that I don't seem to be able to hook the DocumentTemplate.HTMLFile() to a DTML file created in Zope. Therefore I have to create the DTML files manually. This isn't too bad, but when I change the DTML files during development, Zope seems to have cached the old copy and I often end up having to kill off the Zope server and restart it just to try out the new version of the DTML file. This is annoying and time consuming.

Is there some way to get the files reread each time? Failing that, is there a way for an external method to access a DTML file that Zope knows about (and will that help me with this refresh problem)?

I am pretty new to Zope (a week or so). If there is an easier way to do all this, I would be happy to hear it.

- Gardner




From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 14 22:16:04 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:16:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] External methods and DTML ?
In-Reply-To: <200105141407.AA18219604@mail.networknow.org>
References: <200105141407.AA18219604@mail.networknow.org>
Message-ID: <10263759.989882163@BUZZER>

Hi Gardner,

why dont you just let your external methods handle data
in- and output and delegate rendering of html to
DTML-Methods in zope?

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 14:07 -0700 Gardner Pomper 
<gardner@networknow.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am using Zope to build a front end to a bunch of Unix processes. I need
> to use external methods to read/write files and kick off the jobs. In
> these external methods, I use DocumentTemplate.HTMLFile() to build the
> HTML forms for data entry.
>
> My problem is that I don't seem to be able to hook the
> DocumentTemplate.HTMLFile() to a DTML file created in Zope. Therefore I
> have to create the DTML files manually. This isn't too bad, but when I
> change the DTML files during development, Zope seems to have cached the
> old copy and I often end up having to kill off the Zope server and
> restart it just to try out the new version of the DTML file. This is
> annoying and time consuming.
>
> Is there some way to get the files reread each time? Failing that, is
> there a way for an external method to access a DTML file that Zope knows
> about (and will that help me with this refresh problem)?
>
> I am pretty new to Zope (a week or so). If there is an easier way to do
> all this, I would be happy to hear it.
>
> - Gardner
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From zope@thewebsons.com  Mon May 14 21:46:16 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:46:16 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Crazy Problem With Having to Restart Zope Won't Go
 Away!
In-Reply-To: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOAEBPDHAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514125312.00a21270@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514134231.009eeec0@thewebsons.com>

At 03:14 PM 5/14/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> > For some reason, from what I can judge a bug in the source code that
> > affects some unfortunate ones such as myself, ZServer crashes every few
> > hours and has to be re-started. So I wrote this script:
>
>What file is this bug in?
>What line number?

I don't know. All I know is that from the discussion on this list last 
week, I discovered *several* people have had a problem with the ZServer 
quitting for no apparent reason since the early days of Zope. Now, that 
sounds like a bug to me.

So I've come up with a work-around.

You seem like you know programming and Zope better than I. Would you mind 
helping me? Here's my question:

For some reason, ZServer crashes every few hours and has to be re-started. 
So I wrote this script:
 >>>
#!/bin/sh
while :
# if there's a page there, copy it to a test file
do `wget -q -t 3 -T 30 http://thewebsons.com:8080/index_html -O test`
# if there's something in the test file, go take a nap
if grep '^<' test
then
sleep 60
# whoops! Why the heck does RH6.2 complain there's no ./start file?? 
Sometimes it complains, sometimes not. Hmmm...
else if ./start
then
./start &
sleep 60
else
sleep 10
fi
fi
done
<<<
and just let the fool thing run (in the Zope installation). But now I get 
error messages stating ./start doesn't exist! That's why the *else if* 
stuff, but it _still isn't good enough! Come back hours later and Zope's 
dead as a doornail. Furthermore, my script's not running, either. I don't 
get it! What am I not seeing?
TIA,
BenO
P.S. If there were a way to keep my ZServer from crashing *without* this 
script, sure would like to know what it is...



From dan@caliginous.com  Mon May 14 22:19:39 2001
From: dan@caliginous.com (Dan Jacobs)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:19:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope] No module named ST??? - FIXED!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105141942470.32742-100000@mail.caliginous.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105142216360.10253-100000@mail.caliginous.com>

Background, for those who don't remember...  upgrading from 2.3.1 to 2.3.2
produced the error (no module named ST) with zwiki and the zope
tutorial...

OK, I found the problem, I had ST.py and DocumentWithImages.py missing
from my lib/python/StructuredText/ directory.

I just downloaded the source and copied them over.

Any ideas why they weren't in the update?

Regards,

Dan


On Mon, 14 May 2001, Dan Jacobs wrote:

> Haven't tried a fresh install, I already have 1 live site and a
> development site running off my zope install.  unfortunatly zwiki is a key
> componant of a suite of intranet tools I am developing...
> 
> dj
> 
> 
> On Mon, 14 May 2001, Michel Pelletier wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 13 May 2001, Dan Jacobs wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi All,
> > > 
> > > I've just started getting the error "ImportError: No module named ST" when
> > > trying to use the online zope tutorial and Zwiki.  It seems to have
> > > started when I upgraded from 2.3.1 to 2.3.2 but it could be something else
> > > as I've been adding/deleting a few products.
> > 
> > I just tried the tutorial with a fresh 2.3.2, it works fine for
> > me.  Perhaps the upgrade is broken?  Do you see the same behavior when you
> > install a fresh 2.3.2?
> > 
> > -Michel
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > (Related lists - 
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> > 
> 
> 
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From michel@digicool.com  Mon May 14 22:23:38 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:23:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Re: No module named ST??? - FIXED!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105142216360.10253-100000@mail.caliginous.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105141423090.27752-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Dan Jacobs wrote:

> Background, for those who don't remember...  upgrading from 2.3.1 to 2.3.2
> produced the error (no module named ST) with zwiki and the zope
> tutorial...
> 
> OK, I found the problem, I had ST.py and DocumentWithImages.py missing
> from my lib/python/StructuredText/ directory.
> 
> I just downloaded the source and copied them over.
> 
> Any ideas why they weren't in the update?

Probably just a bug, I suggest your report it to the bug collector on
Zope.org.

-Michel



From jwalcik@notwithstanding.org  Mon May 14 22:49:36 2001
From: jwalcik@notwithstanding.org (jacob walcik)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:49:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] Crazy Problem With Having to Restart Zope Won't Go  Away!
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514134231.009eeec0@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105141646070.25470-100000@web.mylinuxisp.com>

have you tried including the full path to the start script?  if it's
outside of the normal path for the user the script runs as, it won't be
found unless you execute a "cd /location/of/zope/start/script" somewhere
in the script (not recommended, use the full path to the command instead)

instead of having your script sleep and then run again, why don't use just
run it out of cron once every say, fifteen minutes or half hour?  

--
jacob walcik
jwalcik@notwithstanding.org

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Ben Ocean wrote:

> At 03:14 PM 5/14/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> > > For some reason, from what I can judge a bug in the source code that
> > > affects some unfortunate ones such as myself, ZServer crashes every few
> > > hours and has to be re-started. So I wrote this script:
> >
> >What file is this bug in?
> >What line number?
> 
> I don't know. All I know is that from the discussion on this list last 
> week, I discovered *several* people have had a problem with the ZServer 
> quitting for no apparent reason since the early days of Zope. Now, that 
> sounds like a bug to me.
> 
> So I've come up with a work-around.
> 
> You seem like you know programming and Zope better than I. Would you mind 
> helping me? Here's my question:
> 
> For some reason, ZServer crashes every few hours and has to be re-started. 
> So I wrote this script:
>  >>>
> #!/bin/sh
> while :
> # if there's a page there, copy it to a test file
> do `wget -q -t 3 -T 30 http://thewebsons.com:8080/index_html -O test`
> # if there's something in the test file, go take a nap
> if grep '^<' test
> then
> sleep 60
> # whoops! Why the heck does RH6.2 complain there's no ./start file?? 
> Sometimes it complains, sometimes not. Hmmm...
> else if ./start
> then
> ./start &
> sleep 60
> else
> sleep 10
> fi
> fi
> done
> <<<
> and just let the fool thing run (in the Zope installation). But now I get 
> error messages stating ./start doesn't exist! That's why the *else if* 
> stuff, but it _still isn't good enough! Come back hours later and Zope's 
> dead as a doornail. Furthermore, my script's not running, either. I don't 
> get it! What am I not seeing?
> TIA,
> BenO
> P.S. If there were a way to keep my ZServer from crashing *without* this 
> script, sure would like to know what it is...
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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> 



From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May 14 22:59:43 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:59:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Crazy Problem With Having to Restart Zope Won't Go Away!
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514125312.00a21270@thewebsons.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010514134231.009eeec0@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <03dc01c0dcc1$2f061320$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

> I don't know. All I know is that from the discussion on this list last
> week, I discovered *several* people have had a problem with the ZServer
> quitting for no apparent reason since the early days of Zope. Now, that
> sounds like a bug to me.

Actually, I believe several people have reported that Zope *hangs* on them,
for unknown reasons.  I didn't see a corroborative report of Zope *crashing*
on them.  These are likely (at least) two distinct problems.

I'd like to help you.  I'd like to help everybody, actually.  But I can't
without a little help from you.  Providing a bug report that says "Zope
crashes/hangs on me, I can't establish a pattern, it happens at all times of
the day, and I haven't spend any time narrowing the symptoms down any
further" is a bug report that I can't do much with.  I can ask you for more
information (which I've done), but otherwise I'm fairly helpless.

We've solved these sorts of problems in the past with help from folks who
were able/willing to narrow down the problem to a replicable test case.  If
you can spend the time to do the same, we can likely solve it or at least
provide a workaround.

- C




From bz@bwanazulia.com  Mon May 14 23:00:23 2001
From: bz@bwanazulia.com (BZ)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:00:23 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Strange ODB/folder problem
In-Reply-To: <B7170C34.163F%scott@launchpoint.net>
References: <B7170C34.163F%scott@launchpoint.net>
Message-ID: <p05100c38b72605b7e417@[10.0.1.25]>

Hey Scott,

You still having problems with this? I have been doing a lot of work 
with ZDiscussions lately getting ready for 0.70, which, unlike the 
number, will be pretty big.

Let me know if I can help.

BZ

At 1:23 PM -0800 5/3/01, Scott wrote:
>I have about 300 folder objects in my ODB. Running 2.1.6 on Linux. One (and
>maybe more) of the folders are not accessable by top-level admin or manager.
>And by not accessable I mean, I can't go into it, if I try to read its
>object values I am prompted to login and I get an unauthorized error. If I
>try to delete it I get the following error and traceback:
>
>Error Type: TypeError
>Error Value: attribute-less object (assign or del)
>
>TraceBack: Traceback (innermost last): File
>/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 165, in
>publish File /usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line
>160, in mapply (Object: manage_delObjects) File
>/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 102, in
>call_object (Object: manage_delObjects) File
>/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 401, in
>manage_delObjects (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions) File
>/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 273, in
>_delObject (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions) File
>/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 268, in
>manage_beforeDelete (Object: ElementWithAttributes) File
>/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 268, in
>manage_beforeDelete (Object: ElementWithAttributes) File
>/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 268, in
>manage_beforeDelete (Object: ElementWithAttributes) File
>/usr/local/Zope-2.1.6-src/lib/python/Products/ZDBase/ZDiscussions.py, line
>195, in manage_beforeDelete (Object: 971638688) TypeError: attribute-less
>object (assign or del)
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>Scott Burton
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From zope@thewebsons.com  Mon May 14 23:05:41 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:05:41 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Crazy Problem With Having to Restart Zope Won't Go
 Away!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105141646070.25470-100000@web.mylinuxisp.c
 om>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514134231.009eeec0@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514150134.009f0970@thewebsons.com>

At 04:49 PM 5/14/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>have you tried including the full path to the start script?

I forgot to mention, the script resides in the Zope directory. It *does* 
work for a while (i.e., finds ./start like it should) then complains that 
it can no longer find ./start

>instead of having your script sleep and then run again, why don't use just
>run it out of cron once every say, fifteen minutes or half hour?

I don't want the server to be down even for a minute. Yeah, maybe it's 
anal. Maybe a cron script *would* work, but why would it work when this 
infinite loop script that sleeps fails? I don't get it. Thanks for pitching 
in. If you have more ideas, please lay them on me.
TIA,
BenO


>--
>jacob walcik
>jwalcik@notwithstanding.org
>
>On Mon, 14 May 2001, Ben Ocean wrote:
>
> > At 03:14 PM 5/14/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > For some reason, from what I can judge a bug in the source code that
> > > > affects some unfortunate ones such as myself, ZServer crashes every few
> > > > hours and has to be re-started. So I wrote this script:
> > >
> > >What file is this bug in?
> > >What line number?
> >
> > I don't know. All I know is that from the discussion on this list last
> > week, I discovered *several* people have had a problem with the ZServer
> > quitting for no apparent reason since the early days of Zope. Now, that
> > sounds like a bug to me.
> >
> > So I've come up with a work-around.
> >
> > You seem like you know programming and Zope better than I. Would you mind
> > helping me? Here's my question:
> >
> > For some reason, ZServer crashes every few hours and has to be re-started.
> > So I wrote this script:
> >  >>>
> > #!/bin/sh
> > while :
> > # if there's a page there, copy it to a test file
> > do `wget -q -t 3 -T 30 http://thewebsons.com:8080/index_html -O test`
> > # if there's something in the test file, go take a nap
> > if grep '^<' test
> > then
> > sleep 60
> > # whoops! Why the heck does RH6.2 complain there's no ./start file??
> > Sometimes it complains, sometimes not. Hmmm...
> > else if ./start
> > then
> > ./start &
> > sleep 60
> > else
> > sleep 10
> > fi
> > fi
> > done
> > <<<
> > and just let the fool thing run (in the Zope installation). But now I get
> > error messages stating ./start doesn't exist! That's why the *else if*
> > stuff, but it _still isn't good enough! Come back hours later and Zope's
> > dead as a doornail. Furthermore, my script's not running, either. I don't
> > get it! What am I not seeing?
> > TIA,
> > BenO
> > P.S. If there were a way to keep my ZServer from crashing *without* this
> > script, sure would like to know what it is...
> >
> >
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From jfarr@real.com  Mon May 14 23:21:45 2001
From: jfarr@real.com (Jonothan Farr)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:21:45 -0700
Subject: [Zope] "Add local filesystem"
References: <31E69B0E4B9CD01181A800805FA6B0A202826FD9@david.ivf.se>
Message-ID: <020801c0dcc4$42e860c0$eb0217ac@jfarr>

Could be you're running Zope as a service under an account that doesn't have
permissions to access the share.
--jfarr

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rubinstein Fredrik" <fredrik.rubinstein@ivf.se>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Cc: <jfarr@real.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 12:48 AM
Subject: [Zope] "Add local filesystem"


>
> Hi there,
> This is extremly anoying since I've done this before but forgot
> how-to.
> On a NT-box I want to add a local filesystem using UNC notation.
> I try out something like this.
>
> ID: Kalle
> Title:
> Basepath: \\Cpqp21-32\Dokument ( Cpqp21-32 is the server and
> Dokument is the share )
> Username kalle
> Password ******
>
> And I keep getting the same error
> Zope Error
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> Error Type: OSError
> Error Value: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '\\\\Cpqp21-32\\Dokument'
>
> Can You please help me. This time around I'm to write the solution
> on my officewall with a
> nonerasable marker pen.
>
> Cheers
>
> Fredrik
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>



From zope@thewebsons.com  Mon May 14 23:15:36 2001
From: zope@thewebsons.com (Ben Ocean)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:15:36 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Crazy Problem With Having to Restart Zope Won't Go
 Away!
In-Reply-To: <03dc01c0dcc1$2f061320$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514125312.00a21270@thewebsons.com>
 <5.0.2.1.0.20010514134231.009eeec0@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514150656.009ef8b0@thewebsons.com>

At 05:59 PM 5/14/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Actually, I believe several people have reported that Zope *hangs* on them,
>for unknown reasons.  I didn't see a corroborative report of Zope *crashing*
>on them.  These are likely (at least) two distinct problems.

Ah! Thank you: I see, now.

>I'd like to help you.  I'd like to help everybody, actually.  But I can't
>without a little help from you.  Providing a bug report that says "Zope
>crashes/hangs on me, I can't establish a pattern, it happens at all times of
>the day, and I haven't spend any time narrowing the symptoms down any
>further" is a bug report that I can't do much with.  I can ask you for more
>information (which I've done), but otherwise I'm fairly helpless.
>
>We've solved these sorts of problems in the past with help from folks who
>were able/willing to narrow down the problem to a replicable test case.  If
>you can spend the time to do the same, we can likely solve it or at least
>provide a workaround.

The only information I have thus far is that my little shell script 
complains that it can't find the ./start script, even after it's found it 
before. Perhaps it starts Zope, checks on Zope, then when Zope crashes 
suddenly it can no longer find the ./start file. But I can find it! It 
hasn't gone anywhere. Then, equally inexplicably, my infinite loop script dies.

I created a STUPID_LOG_FILE and made the appropriate changes (to ./start, I 
believe) but nothing's been reported. I just now made a log file for my 
shell script. We'll see if it catches anything.

I *have* noticed this:
 >>>
2001-05-14T22:02:57 INFO(0) ZServer HTTP server started at Mon May 14 
15:02:57 2
001
         Hostname: thor.ccom.net
         Port: 8080
------
2001-05-14T22:02:57 INFO(0) ZServer FTP server started at Mon May 14 
15:02:57 20
01
         Hostname: thewebsons.com
         Port: 8021
<<<
where the Hostname is different for each server, but this was due to moving 
the server and the problem was there prior to the move, so this problem may 
be cosmetic only.

Can you suggest other ways I try and catch this problem?
TIA,
BenO



From andym@ActiveState.com  Mon May 14 23:58:48 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:58:48 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [OT] subject headings/clarification
References: <989606626.9772.0.camel@locutus><Pine.LNX.4.21.0105111253320.16199-100000@localhost.localdomain><20010511150910.B5016@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu> <001901c0da5a$124e0a30$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <989641212.10476.0.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <002d01c0dcc9$71027ea0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> > Advantage:
> > - simple clear which list you are talking about.
> > - filters people who reply directly to you rather than to the list
(useful)
>
>  This is far from limited to adding a non-conmformant header munging
> activity. Filtering ont he To/mailinst List headers will do _exactly_
> the same thing, and those are there by nature. Adding the [foo] list
> identifier is redundant any way you look at it. As it is redundant, it
> is therefore unnecesary. Whether you or I like it or not, that is a
> fact.

If you reply to this message, to me alone, Outlook Express will not allow
you to filter on the headers. The only remaining identifier is the subject
line.

> > Disadvantage:
> > - 6 extra characters in the subject line
> >
> > What am I missing?
>
> The other lists? ;^)

Oh no more characters :)

>  Evolution/Elm/Pine/procmail/mutt/netscape/Oulook Express/Outlook make
> it simple to set up filtering on the "To:" header. I'd wager that these
> clients/users account for more than '1%' of the Zope list users as some
> have tossed around. Some, such as Evolution, and I'd wager Outlook, can
> do it _automatically_ by selecting an option. No Knowledge Required.
>
>  Of course, some people don't give a rats behind about standards, but
> then again, those same people shouldn't then complain about other
> people/companies violating standards. ;)

Ok lets not get off topic here.

>  I supose that we could make a Zope product to change the title of
> objects to include some sorting qualifier ... ;^)= Same principle.

What like putting a .html on the end of objects so programs like Dreamweaver
and Go Live can read them? It happens.

>  While I fully understand people not wanting to change their filters, it
> smacks of "well it has always been done this way, must be good let's not
> change it." And that sentiment doesn't sit well with me.

No I believe its a case of it aint broke dont fix it. You simply have not
convinced me it its broken. Your arguments seem based more on the fact that
everyone should change their email clients because they can. I disagree with
wasted effort when it will provide no return. Breaking 5,000 peoples email
clients rules to satisfy a few people has to be one of the worst idea yet.
That sentiment does not sit well with me.

>  But oh well, judging by previous polls, not many would participate,
> which would leave us with looking at the archives. There are more people
> complaining about the current setup than there are peole defending it
> (with any reasoning other than whining).

Really there's about 5 emails on this and even Im wondering why Im bothering
replying. I think its just a simple case of people not caring enough to
argue this point when I have more useful things...

>  Personally, I filter on the To and when available, the mailing list
> headers. As such, mail send directly to me stays in my inbox, and mail
> sent to the list goes to the list folder. By doing this, each list is in
> it's own, isolated view, thus providing me with easy visual separation
> of lists. In addition, it s easy to se email sent to me.
>
>  This provides me with every single 'advantage' you listed, thus, from
> that standpoint, the subject munging provides none of your advantages
> (an advantage would mean the other method(s) do _not_ provide that
> capability), and still leaves us with your stated disadvantage. ;^)

Wow great. Good for you. I get over 30 mailing lists. Some have subject
headers. Sometimes i route on one thing sometimes another. They are all
filtered into the right place. If one gets filtered incorrectly I can
manually alter it just by seeing the subject.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.



From jwalcik@notwithstanding.org  Tue May 15 00:03:52 2001
From: jwalcik@notwithstanding.org (jacob walcik)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:03:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] Crazy Problem With Having to Restart Zope Won't Go
 Away!
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514150134.009f0970@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105141758100.25470-100000@web.mylinuxisp.com>

> At 04:49 PM 5/14/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >have you tried including the full path to the start script?
> 
> I forgot to mention, the script resides in the Zope directory. It *does* 
> work for a while (i.e., finds ./start like it should) then complains that 
> it can no longer find ./start

even if it's in the zope directory, the value of the environment variable
$PWD should be checked to be sure it's set to the zope directory.  if that
script is geting thrown into the background, it should keep that value,
but you never know (especially if you're getting an error reporting that
the start script couldn't be found)

> 
> >instead of having your script sleep and then run again, why don't use just
> >run it out of cron once every say, fifteen minutes or half hour?
> 
> I don't want the server to be down even for a minute. Yeah, maybe it's 
> anal. Maybe a cron script *would* work, but why would it work when this 
> infinite loop script that sleeps fails? I don't get it. Thanks for pitching 
> in. If you have more ideas, please lay them on me.
> TIA,
> BenO

it could run every minute out of cron... 

it wouldn't be perfect, but it'd keep the server up and buy you the time
to find a more permanent solution.





From lmaag@datacomm.ch  Tue May 15 00:20:08 2001
From: lmaag@datacomm.ch (Lukas Maag)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:20:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] prevent direct (only) access from url
Message-ID: <004101c0dccc$6b828990$6200a8c0@meisermaschine>

is there a way to prevent direct (only) access from url to a document as an
anonymous user on a zope site.

my problem is, that i have the users stored in database and
a cookie based access control. for this reason it would very helpful to me
to have docs that can only called from other docs, but not from the url
(browser)

maybe there is another solution for this problem...

thanx



From rhess@bic.ch  Tue May 15 00:31:21 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:31:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: No module named ST??? - FIXED!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105141423090.27752-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3B006AC9.2440D97A@bic.ch>

Michel Pelletier wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 14 May 2001, Dan Jacobs wrote:
> 
> > Background, for those who don't remember...  upgrading from 2.3.1 to 2.3.2
> > produced the error (no module named ST) with zwiki and the zope
> > tutorial...
> >
> > OK, I found the problem, I had ST.py and DocumentWithImages.py missing
> > from my lib/python/StructuredText/ directory.
> >
> > I just downloaded the source and copied them over.
> >
> > Any ideas why they weren't in the update?
> 
> Probably just a bug, I suggest your report it to the bug collector on
> Zope.org.
> 
> -Michel
>

Hi,

Just reading this message, and I think, that there is *no bug* in the
download tarballs, at least with the ones for Linux (didn't try with the
windows stuff):

I did both, installing the source 2.3.2 (for Linux) and the upgrade
2.3.1 to 2.3.2 (for Linux) and in both cases I got the two files.

Flynt


From joe@iuveno-net.de  Tue May 15 00:37:28 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:37:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ParsedXML performance (was: Squishdot News)
References: <93450000.989859404@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <009901c0dcce$d66cc480$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> > (Does Zope 2.3.2+ ship with a fast XML parser? If so, what's it called
> > and where do I import it from?)

Just because you mentioned "fast": Am I doing any thing wrong, or is
ParsedXML extremely slow? The tests I did were not really reliable, but even
with a fast Pentium III machine (800 MHz, a lot of RAM), switching between
the edit view and the DOM view can take a couple of seconds for me. And
that's for really simple, ten-line test XML documents. O.k., that's why you
call it "parsed": it has to parse the DOM tree in realtime. But still I
expected much better performance ...

Joachim



From joe@iuveno-net.de  Tue May 15 00:42:05 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:42:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope] prevent direct (only) access from url
References: <004101c0dccc$6b828990$6200a8c0@meisermaschine>
Message-ID: <00a301c0dccf$7bd87c20$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> my problem is, that i have the users stored in database and
> a cookie based access control. for this reason it would very helpful to me
> to have docs that can only called from other docs, but not from the url
> (browser)

This is possible. One solution that comes to my mind is that you invent a
new role, let's say "DocumentCaller", and just assign the view and "Access
contents info" permissions to that role, not to the users of your site. Then
you can give all your "master documents" a prxy role "DocumentCaller", and
there you go ...

Joachim



From dan@caliginous.com  Tue May 15 00:40:09 2001
From: dan@caliginous.com (Dan Jacobs)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:40:09 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope] Re: No module named ST??? - FIXED!
In-Reply-To: <3B006AC9.2440D97A@bic.ch>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105150039220.14427-100000@mail.caliginous.com>

just to provide a little more info, my original install was the 2.3.1 rpm,
would what make a difference?

dj


On Tue, 15 May 2001, Flynt wrote:

> Michel Pelletier wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 14 May 2001, Dan Jacobs wrote:
> > 
> > > Background, for those who don't remember...  upgrading from 2.3.1 to 2.3.2
> > > produced the error (no module named ST) with zwiki and the zope
> > > tutorial...
> > >
> > > OK, I found the problem, I had ST.py and DocumentWithImages.py missing
> > > from my lib/python/StructuredText/ directory.
> > >
> > > I just downloaded the source and copied them over.
> > >
> > > Any ideas why they weren't in the update?
> > 
> > Probably just a bug, I suggest your report it to the bug collector on
> > Zope.org.
> > 
> > -Michel
> >
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just reading this message, and I think, that there is *no bug* in the
> download tarballs, at least with the ones for Linux (didn't try with the
> windows stuff):
> 
> I did both, installing the source 2.3.2 (for Linux) and the upgrade
> 2.3.1 to 2.3.2 (for Linux) and in both cases I got the two files.
> 
> Flynt
> 



From bill@libc.org  Tue May 15 00:53:14 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 14 May 2001 17:53:14 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Crazy Problem With Having to Restart Zope Won't Go  Away!
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514150134.009f0970@thewebsons.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514134231.009eeec0@thewebsons.com>
 <5.0.2.1.0.20010514150134.009f0970@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <989884394.2280.0.camel@locutus>

On 14 May 2001 15:05:41 -0700, Ben Ocean wrote:
> At 04:49 PM 5/14/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >have you tried including the full path to the start script?
> 
> I forgot to mention, the script resides in the Zope directory. It *does* 
> work for a while (i.e., finds ./start like it should) then complains that 
> it can no longer find ./start
> 
> >instead of having your script sleep and then run again, why don't use just
> >run it out of cron once every say, fifteen minutes or half hour?
> 
> I don't want the server to be down even for a minute. Yeah, maybe it's 
> anal. Maybe a cron script *would* work, but why would it work when this 
> infinite loop script that sleeps fails? I don't get it. Thanks for pitching 
> in. If you have more ideas, please lay them on me.

Start the server using strace, with the strace sent to a file. Then, you
can look over the strace log. might be useful (strace usualy is).


Perhaps even ltrace ....




From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Tue May 15 00:56:41 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:56:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Converting old site to Zope
Message-ID: <20010514235641.48501.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>

This may very well be a FAQ, but I can't seem to
locate the answer. How do I import my old website run
by Apache into Zope? Is there an easy way or do I have
to sit here and add each individual file? (it's a
simple static site)

---
Rahsheen Porter

__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
http://auctions.yahoo.com/


From andym@ActiveState.com  Tue May 15 01:11:20 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:11:20 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Converting old site to Zope
References: <20010514235641.48501.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c0dcd3$923411b0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

You could simply fire up an ftp client and ftp everything in (very quick and
simple). Or search Zope.org for load_site.py this is a script that imports
large amounts into zope for you.

http://www.zope.org/Members/itamar/load_site

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rahsheen Porter" <cipher_atl@yahoo.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:56 PM
Subject: [Zope] Converting old site to Zope


> This may very well be a FAQ, but I can't seem to
> locate the answer. How do I import my old website run
> by Apache into Zope? Is there an easy way or do I have
> to sit here and add each individual file? (it's a
> simple static site)
>
> ---
> Rahsheen Porter
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From liao@acusd.edu  Tue May 15 00:11:41 2001
From: liao@acusd.edu (Luby Liao)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:11:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] passing object from dtml to python script
Message-ID: <15104.26157.964850.878590@holycow.acusd.edu>

Is it possible to pass objects in a dtml, such as a row of the result
set of a sql query, into a python script used as a form handler?

As an example, on line 9, 'complete_or_not' is a python script with
one argument.  I would like to pass an object x (line 2) into the
script.  But the syntax of line 9 is incorrect.  I could effectively
pass x in using hidden fields.  But I hope I can avoid that.  Any help
is greatly appreciated.  cheers, Luby


 1	 <dtml-if email>
 2	  <dtml-let x=emailSearch>
 3	    <dtml-if "_.len(x)==1">
 4		<dtml-in x>
 5		  If you are <dtml-var firstname> <dtml-var lastname>, please 
 6	            proceed to complete the registration, by clicking the
 7			'complete' button.  Otherwise, click the 'not me'
 8			button.
 9		   <FORM METHOD="POST" ACTION="complete_or_not(x)>" NAME="complete" onSubmit="return verifyInput()">
10		   <TABLE border="0" cellpadding="0"><TR><TD align="right">
11		   <INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="complete" VALUE="Complete"></TD><TD align="right">
12		   <INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="not_me" VALUE="Not Me"></TD></TR>
13		   </TABLE>
14		   </FORM>
15		 </dtml-in>
16	    </dtml-if>
17	   </dtml-let>
18	 </dtml-if>

--
Luby Liao, Department of Math/CS, University of San Diego, San Diego, CA 92110
(619)260-4021(O), (619)452-7644(H), (619)260-4293(fax)

   'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
   All mimsy were the borogroves    And the mome raths outgrabe   -- L.C.







                                                  



From rhess@bic.ch  Tue May 15 01:09:30 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 02:09:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: No module named ST??? - FIXED!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105150039220.14427-100000@mail.caliginous.com>
Message-ID: <3B0073BA.D699C6EF@bic.ch>

One comment inline:

Dan Jacobs wrote:
> 
> just to provide a little more info, my original install was the 2.3.1 rpm,
> would what make a difference?
> 
> dj

Yes, definitely. All installs in my case were done with source version.
I never used the rpm.

Flynt

> 
> On Tue, 15 May 2001, Flynt wrote:
> 
> > Michel Pelletier wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 14 May 2001, Dan Jacobs wrote:
> > >
> > > > Background, for those who don't remember...  upgrading from 2.3.1 to 2.3.2
> > > > produced the error (no module named ST) with zwiki and the zope
> > > > tutorial...
> > > >
> > > > OK, I found the problem, I had ST.py and DocumentWithImages.py missing
> > > > from my lib/python/StructuredText/ directory.
> > > >
> > > > I just downloaded the source and copied them over.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas why they weren't in the update?
> > >
> > > Probably just a bug, I suggest your report it to the bug collector on
> > > Zope.org.
> > >
> > > -Michel
> > >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just reading this message, and I think, that there is *no bug* in the
> > download tarballs, at least with the ones for Linux (didn't try with the
> > windows stuff):
> >
> > I did both, installing the source 2.3.2 (for Linux) and the upgrade
> > 2.3.1 to 2.3.2 (for Linux) and in both cases I got the two files.
> >
> > Flynt
>


From bill@libc.org  Tue May 15 01:38:32 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 14 May 2001 18:38:32 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Re:  [OT] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <002d01c0dcc9$71027ea0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
References: <989606626.9772.0.camel@locutus><Pine.LNX.4.21.0105111253320.16199-100000@lo
 calhost.localdomain><20010511150910.B5016@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>
 <001901c0da5a$124e0a30$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
 <989641212.10476.0.camel@locutus>
 <002d01c0dcc9$71027ea0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <989887112.2280.2.camel@locutus>

On 14 May 2001 15:58:48 -0700, Andy McKay wrote:
> > > Advantage:
> > > - simple clear which list you are talking about.
> > > - filters people who reply directly to you rather than to the list
> (useful)
> >
> >  This is far from limited to adding a non-conmformant header munging
> > activity. Filtering ont he To/mailinst List headers will do _exactly_
> > the same thing, and those are there by nature. Adding the [foo] list
> > identifier is redundant any way you look at it. As it is redundant, it
> > is therefore unnecesary. Whether you or I like it or not, that is a
> > fact.
> 
> If you reply to this message, to me alone, Outlook Express will not allow
> you to filter on the headers. The only remaining identifier is the subject
> line.

Andy, if I send  message to you directly, there is no mailing list
involved. Duh!  I can just as easily say that "If I send you a reply,
and delete the [Zope] part of the header, you don't get to filter on it,
either."

Once you pull it out of the mailing list, the policies of the list are
irrelevant. ...<nit> you are still sorting on those headers, it is just
that the mail didn't go _thorough_ the mailinglist, so it fell through
the filter. ;) </nit>


...

> >  But oh well, judging by previous polls, not many would participate,
> > which would leave us with looking at the archives. There are more people
> > complaining about the current setup than there are peole defending it
> > (with any reasoning other than whining).
> 
> Really there's about 5 emails on this and even Im wondering why Im bothering
> replying. I think its just a simple case of people not caring enough to
> argue this point when I have more useful things...

That didn't exactly make sense ... and the number is greater than five;
this happens avery few months or so.

> >  Personally, I filter on the To and when available, the mailing list
> > headers. As such, mail send directly to me stays in my inbox, and mail
> > sent to the list goes to the list folder. By doing this, each list is in
> > it's own, isolated view, thus providing me with easy visual separation
> > of lists. In addition, it s easy to se email sent to me.
> >
> >  This provides me with every single 'advantage' you listed, thus, from
> > that standpoint, the subject munging provides none of your advantages
> > (an advantage would mean the other method(s) do _not_ provide that
> > capability), and still leaves us with your stated disadvantage. ;^)
> 
> Wow great. Good for you. I get over 30 mailing lists. Some have subject

Same here. The POINT was that the stated advantages simply are not
advantages, for they do not possess those qualities uniquely.






From bz@bwanazulia.com  Tue May 15 02:05:39 2001
From: bz@bwanazulia.com (BZ)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:05:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Converting old site to Zope
In-Reply-To: <000f01c0dcd3$923411b0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
References: <20010514235641.48501.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>
 <000f01c0dcd3$923411b0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <p05100c39b7263127126e@[10.0.1.25]>

Just did this with a site and while it does not like symbolic links 
very much it can suck up a 300 page (200 image) site in a few 
minutes. Very cool utility. In the your_zope/utilities/  folder.

BZ

At 5:11 PM -0700 5/14/01, Andy McKay wrote:
>You could simply fire up an ftp client and ftp everything in (very quick and
>simple). Or search Zope.org for load_site.py this is a script that imports
>large amounts into zope for you.
>
>http://www.zope.org/Members/itamar/load_site
>
>Cheers.
>--
>   Andy McKay.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rahsheen Porter" <cipher_atl@yahoo.com>
>To: <zope@zope.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:56 PM
>Subject: [Zope] Converting old site to Zope
>
>
>>  This may very well be a FAQ, but I can't seem to
>>  locate the answer. How do I import my old website run
>>  by Apache into Zope? Is there an easy way or do I have
>>  to sit here and add each individual file? (it's a
>>  simple static site)
>>
>>  ---
>>  Rahsheen Porter
>>
>>  __________________________________________________
>>  Do You Yahoo!?
>>  Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
>>  http://auctions.yahoo.com/
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>>  **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>>  (Related lists -
>>   http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>>   http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>**   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>(Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From andres@corrada.com  Tue May 15 03:20:25 2001
From: andres@corrada.com (andres@corrada.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:20:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope] passing object from dtml to python script
In-Reply-To: <15104.26157.964850.878590@holycow.acusd.edu>; from Luby Liao on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 04:11:41PM -0700
References: <15104.26157.964850.878590@holycow.acusd.edu>
Message-ID: <20010514222025.A6434@corrada.com>

Yes its possible to pass objects to scripts you call in dtml.

One way to fix your syntax error is to write:

<form method="post" action="<dtml-var "complete_or_not(x)" url>" ... >

But that will just create the url where your user will go once they click
their button.

If you want to avoid passing hidden fields take a look at the 
CoreSessionTracking product.

In general you can call a script with something like:

<dtml-var "someScrip(mySpecialObject=x)">

or

<dtml-call "someScriptWhoseSideEffectsIDoNotWantToSee(mySpecialObject=x)">

On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 04:11:41PM -0700, Luby Liao wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to pass objects in a dtml, such as a row of the result
> set of a sql query, into a python script used as a form handler?
> 
> As an example, on line 9, 'complete_or_not' is a python script with
> one argument.  I would like to pass an object x (line 2) into the
> script.  But the syntax of line 9 is incorrect.  I could effectively
> pass x in using hidden fields.  But I hope I can avoid that.  Any help
> is greatly appreciated.  cheers, Luby
> 
> 
>  1	 <dtml-if email>
>  2	  <dtml-let x=emailSearch>
>  3	    <dtml-if "_.len(x)==1">
>  4		<dtml-in x>
>  5		  If you are <dtml-var firstname> <dtml-var lastname>, please 
>  6	            proceed to complete the registration, by clicking the
>  7			'complete' button.  Otherwise, click the 'not me'
>  8			button.
>  9		   <FORM METHOD="POST" ACTION="complete_or_not(x)>" NAME="complete" onSubmit="return verifyInput()">
> 10		   <TABLE border="0" cellpadding="0"><TR><TD align="right">
> 11		   <INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="complete" VALUE="Complete"></TD><TD align="right">
> 12		   <INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="not_me" VALUE="Not Me"></TD></TR>
> 13		   </TABLE>
> 14		   </FORM>
> 15		 </dtml-in>
> 16	    </dtml-if>
> 17	   </dtml-let>
> 18	 </dtml-if>
> 
> --
> Luby Liao, Department of Math/CS, University of San Diego, San Diego, CA 92110
> (619)260-4021(O), (619)452-7644(H), (619)260-4293(fax)
> 
>    'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
>    All mimsy were the borogroves    And the mome raths outgrabe   -- L.C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                                   
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> (Related lists - 
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> 

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------------------------------------------------------
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From jwm@plain.co.nz  Tue May 15 04:12:28 2001
From: jwm@plain.co.nz (John Morton)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:12:28 +1200
Subject: [Zope] More problems with postgresql users and zope.
Message-ID: <01051515122803.09621@antares>

I'm have some more problems with adding database users to a postgresql=20
database. I've got a ZSQL method that looks like this:

Args: merchant_name password
Template:

insert into pg_shadow (
usename, usesysid, usecreatedb, usetrace,=20
usesuper, usecatupd, passwd
) select=20
<dtml-sqlvar merchant_name type=3D"nb">,=20
max(usesysid) + 1, 'f', 'f','f','f',
<dtml-sqlvar password type=3D"nb">=20
from pg_shadow;

create table dummy (id int4 primary key);
grant select, insert on dummy to <dtml-var merchant_name>;

(The user add operation is a direct insert into the pg_shadow table as=20
'create user' wraps itself in a transaction and fails to work from a ZSQL=
=20
method as a results.)

The problem - this works inside a transaction from the console, but fails
when run through a Popy based DA with this error:

 Error, PoPy.ProgrammingError: ERROR: aclparse: non-existent user "foowww=
"=20

Version are Popy/ZPopyDA 2.0.2, Zope 2.2.5, Postgresql 7.0.3

So what's going on here? Am I better off with a different adapter?

John


From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Tue May 15 06:16:14 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:16:14 +0800
Subject: [Zope] unsliceable object
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMAEJGEAAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

Please help!

We encountered this problem before. Someone suggested to upgrade the zope
version an so we did and the error got fixed. Now, after like a few weeks,
it came back. Please help.

Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: unsliceable object

Note: We have Zope 2.3.2 and ZEO 1.0b1

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

Summit Interactive, Inc.
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femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
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From kosh@aesaeion.com  Mon May 14 23:24:33 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:24:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] unsliceable object
In-Reply-To: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMAEJGEAAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105142224110.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>

Can you post the full traceback and exactly what you were doing at the
time when this error occurred if applicable?

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Fritz Mesedilla wrote:

>
> Please help!
>
> We encountered this problem before. Someone suggested to upgrade the zope
> version an so we did and the error got fixed. Now, after like a few weeks,
> it came back. Please help.
>
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: unsliceable object
>
> Note: We have Zope 2.3.2 and ZEO 1.0b1
>
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
>
> Summit Interactive, Inc.
> FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://contemplation401.tripod.com                     +Basta Ikaw Lord
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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>



From mail@peterbe.com  Tue May 15 08:21:22 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:21:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] unsliceable object
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMAEJGEAAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <02b901c0dd0f$b1e310b0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

My guess is that you are trying to do things with some object as if it was a
list or tuple.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fritz Mesedilla" <fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:16 AM
Subject: [Zope] unsliceable object


>
> Please help!
>
> We encountered this problem before. Someone suggested to upgrade the zope
> version an so we did and the error got fixed. Now, after like a few weeks,
> it came back. Please help.
>
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: unsliceable object
>
> Note: We have Zope 2.3.2 and ZEO 1.0b1
>
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
>
> Summit Interactive, Inc.
> FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> http://contemplation401.tripod.com                     +Basta Ikaw Lord
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )




From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Tue May 15 08:54:49 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:54:49 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Module] mp3info.py-0.3
In-Reply-To: <B725A6CD.2CE82%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105151152480.21105-100000@phd.fep.ru>

Wow!
   (Please note: I changed the list to the zope mailing list)

   Can anyone explain this?

   Marc, what type are those objects? (Is "bowerymarc" a Folder? Is
index_html a DTML Document or Method?)

On Mon, 14 May 2001, marc lindahl wrote:
> Something's funky with the site...
> http://www.zope.org/Members/bowerymarc/index_html/index_html works...
>
> >> URL:  http://www.zope.org/Members/bowerymarc/
> >
> > Error 404 :(

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann            http://phd.pp.ru/            phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 15 09:38:16 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:38:16 +0100
Subject: [Zope] squishdot IOBtree dependency problem
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105141347320.8956-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <3B00EAF8.FA9ABB61@nipltd.com>

kosh@aesaeion.com wrote:
> 
> Yeah it was not put in enough pages.

:-P

Chris


From tillea@rki.de  Tue May 15 09:33:54 2001
From: tillea@rki.de (Andreas Tille)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:33:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Re: Packaging (final) Zope book for Debian
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105141110580.27752-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105151028430.3073-100000@wr-linux02>

On Mon, 14 May 2001, Michel Pelletier wrote:

> It has always been "Book".
Strange.  I've got the information "zope-book" and it worked up to some
day ...
 
> > > Which source is the best one for a Debian package?
> 
> The CVS.
What kind of version numbering should I do?  Currently I named the
package  zope-book-010503 because I checked it out at 3. May this year.
Is this OK or does it have a certain numbering scheme.

Kind regards

        Andreas.



From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May 15 10:05:18 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 05:05:18 -0400
Subject: Exception from connection close was: Re: [Zope] (no subject)
References: <200105150740.JAA03279@smtp8.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <3B00F14E.29DC9FB4@digicool.com>

It's likely that some set of instructions related to SQL access via
MySQLdb is causing Python to dump core.  When Python dumps core, the
zdaemon process restarts Zope, which is probably what you're seeing when
you say it "starts a new process".

It's possible that there is a library version mismatch in the code that
you're using.  If you continue to have problems, you should try to
compile all the requisite C software (MySQLdb and MySQL) from source. 
Past that, I'm not sure I can help... you'll need to ask for support
from the author of MySQLdb/MySQLDA.

- C


Peter de Jong wrote:
> 
> I installed the following stuff:
> ZMysqlda 2.06
> mysql-python 0.3.5
> Mysql  3.23.32
> 
> Peter de Jong
> 
> 14-05-2001 13:27:39, "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com> schreef:
> 
> >Hi Peter,
> >
> >Which database adatper are you using?
> >
> >- C
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Peter de Jong" <p.dejong@melissendejong.nl>
> >To: "Tino Wildenhain" <tino@wildenhain.de>; <zope@zope.org>
> >Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:07 PM
> >Subject: Re: Exception from connection close was: Re: [Zope] (no subject)
> >
> >
> >> Thak you for your reply,
> >>
> >> I don't think this is the only problem; I am afraid that Zope
> >> on my machine is very instable; it starts an new process each time I
> >> try to change and test a sql-method (at least from a Opera-client; from
> >> Netscape changing an testing of the same method results in killing
> >> the server).
> >>
> >> Hardly a robust platform.
> >>
> >> I don't know what further to do.
> >>
> >> sincerely
> >> Peter de Jong


From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May 15 10:08:04 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 05:08:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] unsliceable object
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMAEJGEAAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <3B00F1F4.2FA243A9@digicool.com>

Under what circumstance is this error raised?

If you view the page source, you'll likely also see a "traceback" (a
stack trace, showing line numbers and filenames).  Can you post that
too?

Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> 
> Please help!
> 
> We encountered this problem before. Someone suggested to upgrade the zope
> version an so we did and the error got fixed. Now, after like a few weeks,
> it came back. Please help.
> 
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: unsliceable object
> 
> Note: We have Zope 2.3.2 and ZEO 1.0b1
> 
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
> 
> Summit Interactive, Inc.
> FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
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From alex@khm.de  Tue May 15 10:16:49 2001
From: alex@khm.de (Alexander Tuchacek)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:16:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope] smil/dtml problem!!
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515110058.01b0faf0@wallace.khm.de>

hallo all,

i would like to generate a smil multimedia file dynamically during 
invokation, my problem is that when i generate a simple smil file as a DTML 
Document the browser does not start the real player,

i copied the same dtml/zope document to my local linux machine and from 
this server (same client!) it works, from another on the internet it does 
not??? i changed permisseon but this does not help????

its really simple but i dont know how to solve.

this is the dtml document:
-----------
<smil>

<body>
	<video src="rtsp://io.khm.de/FLUSSER/8.2_a.rm"/>
</body>

</smil>
----------------
url:
http://eta.snm-hgkz.ch:8080/eta/www/db/xxx.smi


thanks for help,
alex




From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May 15 10:22:53 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:22:53 +0100
Subject: [Zope] smil/dtml problem!!
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515110058.01b0faf0@wallace.khm.de>
Message-ID: <007d01c0dd20$9fb560d0$5c773fc1@media1>

You'll need to set the correct header (content-type), to get the browser to
realise it should start an external program.

Try something like:

<dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Type','some/type')">

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Tuchacek" <alex@khm.de>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:16 AM
Subject: [Zope] smil/dtml problem!!


> hallo all,
>
> i would like to generate a smil multimedia file dynamically during
> invokation, my problem is that when i generate a simple smil file as a
DTML
> Document the browser does not start the real player,
>
> i copied the same dtml/zope document to my local linux machine and from
> this server (same client!) it works, from another on the internet it does
> not??? i changed permisseon but this does not help????
>
> its really simple but i dont know how to solve.
>
> this is the dtml document:
> -----------
> <smil>
>
> <body>
> <video src="rtsp://io.khm.de/FLUSSER/8.2_a.rm"/>
> </body>
>
> </smil>
> ----------------
> url:
> http://eta.snm-hgkz.ch:8080/eta/www/db/xxx.smi
>
>
> thanks for help,
> alex
>
>
>
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From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Tue May 15 10:23:04 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:23:04 +0800
Subject: [Zope] unsliceable object
In-Reply-To: <3B00F1F4.2FA243A9@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMGEKIEAAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

got it!!!

i was able to fix it by re-installing zope. weird but it worked. :)

thank you all!!!


Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

Summit Interactive, Inc.
FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Chris
> McDonough
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 5:08 PM
> To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] unsliceable object
>
>
> Under what circumstance is this error raised?
>
> If you view the page source, you'll likely also see a "traceback" (a
> stack trace, showing line numbers and filenames).  Can you post that
> too?
>
> Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> >
> > Please help!
> >
> > We encountered this problem before. Someone suggested to
> upgrade the zope
> > version an so we did and the error got fixed. Now, after like a
> few weeks,
> > it came back. Please help.
> >
> > Error Type: TypeError
> > Error Value: unsliceable object
> >
> > Note: We have Zope 2.3.2 and ZEO 1.0b1
> >
> > Fritz Mesedilla
> > Systems Administrator
> >
> > Summit Interactive, Inc.
> > FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> > femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> > http://contemplation401.tripod.com                     +Basta Ikaw Lord
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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>
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>



From atuc@gmx.de  Tue May 15 10:36:17 2001
From: atuc@gmx.de (Alexander Tuchacek)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:36:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope] smil/dtml problem!!
In-Reply-To: <007d01c0dd20$9fb560d0$5c773fc1@media1>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515110058.01b0faf0@wallace.khm.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515113503.01eec4d0@pop.gmx.net>

At 11:22 15.05.2001, you wrote:
>You'll need to set the correct header (content-type), to get the browser to
>realise it should start an external program.
>
>Try something like:
>
><dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Type','some/type')">
>
>Phil

thanks phil,

it works,
<dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Type','application/smil')">

great,
alex



From in@konsylo.de  Tue May 15 12:08:12 2001
From: in@konsylo.de (Isabelle Neunreither)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:08:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] DocBook SampleChapter -- security assertion error --
Message-ID: <008301c0dd2f$553ac450$3301a8c0@rubis>

Hi all,

I have installed the docbook product and all seemed to work all right.
I managed to open the docbook samples freebsd_faq and http_https_ulinks,
but as I tried to see the sampleChapter, the system asked for an
authorization.

Error type: Unauthorized
Error value: Access denied for
/users/in/SampleDocbookDocs/sampleChapter/e1986/CharacterData/getData
because its container,
/users/in/SampleDocbookDocs/sampleChapter/e1986/CharacterData, has no
security assertions.

has anyone an idea how to solve this problem?

cheers,
Isabelle



From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Tue May 15 13:39:59 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 05:39:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Converting old site to Zope
In-Reply-To: <p05100c39b7263127126e@[10.0.1.25]>
Message-ID: <20010515123959.13851.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, I did end up using loadsite.py. It worked great
except that it totally murdered all my header tags,
killing all my Javascript and CSS headers. It also
bombed out after a while, guess I shoulda paid
attention to the errors. Anyway, thanks for the
pointer, guys.

--- BZ <bz@bwanazulia.com> wrote:
> Just did this with a site and while it does not like
> symbolic links 
> very much it can suck up a 300 page (200 image) site
> in a few 
> minutes. Very cool utility. In the
> your_zope/utilities/  folder.
> 
> BZ
> 
> At 5:11 PM -0700 5/14/01, Andy McKay wrote:
> >You could simply fire up an ftp client and ftp
> everything in (very quick and
> >simple). Or search Zope.org for load_site.py this
> is a script that imports
> >large amounts into zope for you.
> >
> >http://www.zope.org/Members/itamar/load_site
> >
> >Cheers.
> >--
> >   Andy McKay.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Rahsheen Porter" <cipher_atl@yahoo.com>
> >To: <zope@zope.org>
> >Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:56 PM
> >Subject: [Zope] Converting old site to Zope
> >
> >
> >>  This may very well be a FAQ, but I can't seem to
> >>  locate the answer. How do I import my old
> website run
> >>  by Apache into Zope? Is there an easy way or do
> I have
> >>  to sit here and add each individual file? (it's
> a
> >>  simple static site)
> >>
> >>  ---
> >>  Rahsheen Porter
> >>
> >> 
> __________________________________________________
> >>  Do You Yahoo!?
> >>  Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at
> great prices
> >>  http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> >>
> >>  _______________________________________________
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> >>  
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >>   http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev
> )
> >>
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> 


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From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Tue May 15 13:48:25 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 05:48:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] ZStylesheets issues
Message-ID: <20010515124825.59980.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok. I converted all the CSS from my old site to
ZStylesheets, but I'm having a couple issues which I
don't know how to handle. I have the following
standard_html_header:

<html>
  <head>
    <title>
      <dtml-var title_or_id>
    </title>
    <dtml-var defaultcss>
  </head>
<body onLoad="init()">

What I would rather have is something more flexible,
but I don't know enough dtml yet to figure it out. I
would rather that the header included a stylesheet
based on the name of the current page (if such a
stylesheet exists). 

I'm also wondering why viewing the source of this
header shows:

    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"
href="http://hostname:8080/defaultcss" />

What's with that last forward-slash?

---
Rahsheen

__________________________________________________
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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Tue May 15 13:48:01 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:48:01 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Converting old site to Zope
In-Reply-To: <20010515123959.13851.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105151646440.12419-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Rahsheen Porter wrote:
> Well, I did end up using loadsite.py. It worked great
> except that it totally murdered all my header tags,
> killing all my Javascript and CSS headers. It also

   It preserves headers in loadsite-head property of an object.

Oleg.
----
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           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May 15 14:04:08 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:04:08 +0100
Subject: [Zope] ZStylesheets issues
References: <20010515124825.59980.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c0dd3f$88a2c260$5c773fc1@media1>

Rahsheen,

Try something like (untested):

<html>
  <head>
    <title>
      <dtml-var title_or_id>
    </title>
    <dtml-var "_.getitem(this().getId() + 'css',1)">
  </head>
<body onLoad="init()">

The last slash in the bit of code you showed is used to make the code XHTML
compliant.

hth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rahsheen Porter" <cipher_atl@yahoo.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:48 PM
Subject: [Zope] ZStylesheets issues


> Ok. I converted all the CSS from my old site to
> ZStylesheets, but I'm having a couple issues which I
> don't know how to handle. I have the following
> standard_html_header:
>
> <html>
>   <head>
>     <title>
>       <dtml-var title_or_id>
>     </title>
>     <dtml-var defaultcss>
>   </head>
> <body onLoad="init()">
>
> What I would rather have is something more flexible,
> but I don't know enough dtml yet to figure it out. I
> would rather that the header included a stylesheet
> based on the name of the current page (if such a
> stylesheet exists).
>
> I'm also wondering why viewing the source of this
> header shows:
>
>     <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"
> href="http://hostname:8080/defaultcss" />
>
> What's with that last forward-slash?
>
> ---
> Rahsheen
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
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From herve@virtual-net.fr  Tue May 15 14:06:03 2001
From: herve@virtual-net.fr (Herve Coatanhay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:06:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] mxDateTime ?
Message-ID: <0105151506030F.02703@radada>

I have read that Zope 2.3.0 is the first version that uses the mxDateTime=
=20
module from Python 1.5.2 ?
Does anyone heard about it ?

Tanks


From Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com  Tue May 15 14:15:43 2001
From: Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:15:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] mxDateTime ?
References: <0105151506030F.02703@radada>
Message-ID: <00b701c0dd41$26267080$9865fea9@SUXLAP>

Nope,

Zope uses its own DateTime module.

Andreas 
Digitial Creations
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herve Coatanhay" <herve@virtual-net.fr>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:06 AM
Subject: [Zope] mxDateTime ?


I have read that Zope 2.3.0 is the first version that uses the mxDateTime 
module from Python 1.5.2 ?
Does anyone heard about it ?

Tanks

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From ta@smartferret.com  Tue May 15 23:24:58 2001
From: ta@smartferret.com (Takashi Linzbichler)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:24:58 -0700
Subject: [Zope] MSWordDocument
Message-ID: <3B01ACBA.89534E99@smartferret.com>

Hi, out there !

Has anyone got FTP and WebDAV together with MSWordDocument under Zope
2.3.x (exactly: 2.3.2) to run ?

It works like a charm as long as I use only the built-in HTTP-PUT
upload, but I can't upload anything via FTP or WebDAV.
 
WebDAV and FTP are OK for all objects on the site except those of Type
MSWordDocument. I always get either error 426 (cannot create file) with
ftp and 405 (method not allowed) with WebDAV. Access rights shold be OK
(checked several times, even tried with all rights for anyone).

Funny thing is, using FTP, the *.doc file gets converted (via wvWare,
I'm under Linux) correctly and the temporary *.html-file can be ound in
/tmp together with the graphics. But it doesn't get published then. 

Using WebDAV, there's not even a conversion underway. No errors, not
even in STUPID_LOG_FILE.

Any help appreciated. TIA,
				ta

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From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Tue May 15 14:31:19 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:31:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Converting old site to Zope
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105151646440.12419-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <20010515133119.44302.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I just stumbled on that this morning. Cool.

--- Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2001, Rahsheen Porter wrote:
> > Well, I did end up using loadsite.py. It worked
> great
> > except that it totally murdered all my header
> tags,
> > killing all my Javascript and CSS headers. It also
> 
>    It preserves headers in loadsite-head property of
> an object.


__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
http://auctions.yahoo.com/


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Tue May 15 14:37:32 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:37:32 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Converting old site to Zope
In-Reply-To: <20010515133119.44302.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105151737060.12419-100000@phd.fep.ru>

Thank you! :)

On Tue, 15 May 2001, Rahsheen Porter wrote:
> Yeah, I just stumbled on that this morning. Cool.
>
> >    It preserves headers in loadsite-head property of
> > an object.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From burt@dfki.de  Tue May 15 15:15:54 2001
From: burt@dfki.de (Alastair Burt)
Date: 15 May 2001 16:15:54 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope Security
Message-ID: <vg3da6bsv9.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>

I am getting aggravation from our sysadmin, who is reluctant to poke holes
in our new firewall for my Zope ports.  He claims he knows of no software
in the last few years that has so many security holes.  Is there anything
to justify this claim?  I know there are an alarmingly large number of Zope
hotfixes on the security mailing lists and that login passwords get sent in
the clear, when not using ssl.  On the other hand, I know of no attempt to
hack a Zope site.

--- Alastair



From Philippe.Bocquillon@trasys.be  Tue May 15 15:15:45 2001
From: Philippe.Bocquillon@trasys.be (Bocquillon Philippe)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:15:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Winsock error
Message-ID: <D06271D708D0D2118F7D0008C71E399D03A15CED@exchange.trasys.be>

Hello,

Using a Zope module (RDFSummary), I have the following error on Windows NT: 
Error Value: (10060, 'winsock error') which is a timeout.
Could this be because I am under a proxy server?
How do I specify to Zope the presence of a proxy server?
Thanks in advance

Philippe 



From james@codenamefuture.nl  Tue May 15 15:16:44 2001
From: james@codenamefuture.nl (James van der Veen)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:16:44 +0200
Subject: [Zope] FSPoll
Message-ID: <11204746D436D411A6F90004AC5396110D8313@EXCHSRVR1>

HI,

can someone help me to get FSpoll to work on Zope 2.3.2

sys:

Zope Version 	Zope 2.3.2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
Python Version 	1.5.2 (#2, Apr 11 2001, 02:55:18) [GCC egcs-2.91.66
19990314/Linux (egcs-
System Platform 	linux2

I can add the fspoll but no questions and awnsers.

Can someone help me?


Thanx,
James





From Miha <Miha@instock.ru>  Tue May 15 15:27:24 2001
From: Miha <Miha@instock.ru> (Miha)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:27:24 +0400
Subject: Re[2]: [Zope] Auth w/ Virt. hosting
In-Reply-To: <3B0011E9.3CDEFB2A@yahoo.com.br>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105140746230.16728-100000@praha>
 <3B0011E9.3CDEFB2A@yahoo.com.br>
Message-ID: <11697216359.20010515182724@instock.ru>

Hello Mauricio,

Simple solution is connect to server thought it IP adress.
Write in your brouser http://208.181.92.147:9637/manage

-
M. (mailto:Miha@instock.ru)
Developer. 
http://www.instock.ru/


Monday, May 14, 2001, 9:12:09 PM, you wrote:

From: Mauricio Souza Lima <mauriciosl@yahoo.com.br>
To: "Jason C. Leach" <jleach@mail.ocis.net>
Date: Monday, May 14, 2001, 9:12:09 PM
Subject: [Zope] Auth w/ Virt. hosting
MSL> is riverspirit the domain of the apache server too?

MSL> "Jason C. Leach" wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> Here is a pretty standard rule:
>> 
>> <IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
>>         RewriteEngine   On
>>         RewriteLog      "/var/log/apache/rewrite_log"
>>         RewriteLogLevel 0
>>         RewriteRule     ^/local/ - [L]
>>         RewriteRule
>>    ^/(.*) http://www.riverspirit.ca:9673/riverspirit.ca/$1 [P]
>> </IfModule>
>> 
>> j.
>> ......................
>> ..... Jason C. Leach
>> ... University College of the Cariboo.
>> ..
>> 
>> On Mon, 14 May 2001, Mauricio Souza Lima wrote:
>> 
>> > Show us the RewriteRules and Conds and the virtual hosts names so we can
>> > help you...
>> >
>> > Reagards,
>> >
>> > "Jason C. Leach" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > hi,
>> > >
>> > > I have 3 sites hosted on 1 zope server. Apache is on the front re-writing
>> > > the URLs and interacting w/ SiteRoot on Zope.  Zope seems to always ask me
>> > > for a user/pass when I do somehting like edit a file or change
>> > > folders.  Is this just the way it is, or can I get around it?
>> > >
>> > > j.
>> > >
>> > > ......................
>> > > ..... Jason C. Leach
>> > > ... University College of the Cariboo.
>> > > ..
>> > >




From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May 15 15:46:25 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:46:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope Security
References: <vg3da6bsv9.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
Message-ID: <00b701c0dd4d$d1d28930$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Many (most?) of the hotfixes have to do with fixing security holes which are
a problem if and only if you allow untrusted (or semitrusted users) to write
DTML/Python on your website via the through-the-web interface.

If you don't allow this (most people don't... most people can't even
conceive of it, because they have no concept that it can actually be done,
and no other platforms provide for such a feature), the number of Zope
security-related problems over the last few years goes down considerably.  I
count six (out of a total of 11) of them that are *not* related to
through-the-web scripting since last June, one of which doesn't allow for
meaningful elevation of privilege in any way.  This leaves five "critical"
security-related bugs in a year, all of which have fixes.

Consider also that Zope contains a webserver, a database, its own templating
language, and its own search engine.  Advise your admin to check the number
of combined security reports for Apache, MySQL, embperl, and HTdig for the
last year, and compare them against the number reported and fixed in Zope.
I'd imagine they're comparable.

- C


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alastair Burt" <burt@dfki.de>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:15 AM
Subject: [Zope] Zope Security


> I am getting aggravation from our sysadmin, who is reluctant to poke holes
> in our new firewall for my Zope ports.  He claims he knows of no software
> in the last few years that has so many security holes.  Is there anything
> to justify this claim?  I know there are an alarmingly large number of
Zope
> hotfixes on the security mailing lists and that login passwords get sent
in
> the clear, when not using ssl.  On the other hand, I know of no attempt to
> hack a Zope site.
>
> --- Alastair
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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>



From andym@ActiveState.com  Tue May 15 15:42:44 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:42:44 -0700
Subject: [Zope] FSPoll
References: <11204746D436D411A6F90004AC5396110D8313@EXCHSRVR1>
Message-ID: <001401c0dd4d$f0b04cc0$abcc4e18@cr582427a>

Hi,

Could you be a little more descriptive? Do FSPollQuestion and FSPollAnswer
appear in the list of items you can add? Do you get any error messages or
traceback? Does the product appear broken in the Control Panel?

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay

----- Original Message -----
From: "James van der Veen" <james@codenamefuture.nl>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:16 AM
Subject: [Zope] FSPoll


> HI,
>
> can someone help me to get FSpoll to work on Zope 2.3.2
>
> sys:
>
> Zope Version Zope 2.3.2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
> Python Version 1.5.2 (#2, Apr 11 2001, 02:55:18) [GCC egcs-2.91.66
> 19990314/Linux (egcs-
> System Platform linux2
>
> I can add the fspoll but no questions and awnsers.
>
> Can someone help me?
>
>
> Thanx,
> James
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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>



From andym@ActiveState.com  Tue May 15 15:46:59 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:46:59 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope Security
References: <vg3da6bsv9.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
Message-ID: <001501c0dd4d$f159d330$abcc4e18@cr582427a>

There do appear to be a large number of hotfixes but you could examine what
they are actually for since most are extremely obscure and dont actually
present much of a risk. I rarely bother with most hotfixes, just move up to
the next Zope as it comes out.

Zope is very secure, the only obvious problem is, as you say, passwords are
not encrypted.
--
  Andy McKay

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alastair Burt" <burt@dfki.de>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:15 AM
Subject: [Zope] Zope Security


> I am getting aggravation from our sysadmin, who is reluctant to poke holes
> in our new firewall for my Zope ports.  He claims he knows of no software
> in the last few years that has so many security holes.  Is there anything
> to justify this claim?  I know there are an alarmingly large number of
Zope
> hotfixes on the security mailing lists and that login passwords get sent
in
> the clear, when not using ssl.  On the other hand, I know of no attempt to
> hack a Zope site.
>
> --- Alastair
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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>



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May 15 15:49:18 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:49:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope Security
References: <vg3da6bsv9.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de> <00b701c0dd4d$d1d28930$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <00f501c0dd4e$40358210$5c773fc1@media1>

Chris said:
> Consider also that Zope contains a webserver, a database, its own
templating
> language, and its own search engine.  Advise your admin to check the
number
> of combined security reports for Apache, MySQL, embperl, and HTdig for the
> last year, and compare them against the number reported and fixed in Zope.
> I'd imagine they're comparable.

Hardly comparable!

Zope probably has less Security issues than other comparable pieces of
software, for instance IIS.

A lot less.
>
> - C
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alastair Burt" <burt@dfki.de>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:15 AM
> Subject: [Zope] Zope Security
>
>
> > I am getting aggravation from our sysadmin, who is reluctant to poke
holes
> > in our new firewall for my Zope ports.  He claims he knows of no
software
> > in the last few years that has so many security holes.  Is there
anything
> > to justify this claim?  I know there are an alarmingly large number of
> Zope
> > hotfixes on the security mailing lists and that login passwords get sent
> in
> > the clear, when not using ssl.  On the other hand, I know of no attempt
to
> > hack a Zope site.
> >
> > --- Alastair
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Tue May 15 15:53:52 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:53:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Product Installation via the Web?
Message-ID: <20010515145352.15677.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm behind an extremely anal firewall here at work and
was wondering if there is a way for me to install
products on my Zope server via the web. I noticed
ZInstaller (I think that's the name) on ZopeZen.org,
but I can't even install that for reasons mentioned
above :)

Is there any way I can get around this? I was thinking
maybe uploading the packages into the ZODB and somehow
doing evil DTML tricks to get it installed, but I
don't know enough DTML to fathom whether something
like that is even possible.

Any ideas?

---
Rahsheen Porter

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From james@codenamefuture.nl  Tue May 15 15:52:34 2001
From: james@codenamefuture.nl (James van der Veen)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:52:34 +0200
Subject: [Zope] FSPoll
In-Reply-To: <001401c0dd4d$f0b04cc0$abcc4e18@cr582427a>
Message-ID: <11204746D436D411A6F90004AC5396110D8316@EXCHSRVR1>

Hi yeah sorry...

I install it like any other product...
Then it looks like it works it doesnt appear broken..
When I add an FSPoll it works (it creates the index etc.) but the FSPoll
Question an Awnser don´t appear in the list of items I can add.
I tried it on my stand alone computer and it worked with zope 2.3.1.
Ohh and the Poll image doesn´t appear.

ohh and I don´t get a traceback

Hope That helps..

Thanks,
James

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Andy McKay [mailto:andym@ActiveState.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 15 mei 2001 16:43
Aan: james@codenamefuture.nl; zope@zope.org
Onderwerp: Re: [Zope] FSPoll


Hi,

Could you be a little more descriptive? Do FSPollQuestion and FSPollAnswer
appear in the list of items you can add? Do you get any error messages or
traceback? Does the product appear broken in the Control Panel?

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay

----- Original Message -----
From: "James van der Veen" <james@codenamefuture.nl>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:16 AM
Subject: [Zope] FSPoll


> HI,
>
> can someone help me to get FSpoll to work on Zope 2.3.2
>
> sys:
>
> Zope Version Zope 2.3.2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
> Python Version 1.5.2 (#2, Apr 11 2001, 02:55:18) [GCC egcs-2.91.66
> 19990314/Linux (egcs-
> System Platform linux2
>
> I can add the fspoll but no questions and awnsers.
>
> Can someone help me?
>
>
> Thanx,
> James
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
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>




From mps_@hotmail.com  Tue May 15 16:02:19 2001
From: mps_@hotmail.com (matt standish)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:02:19 -0500
Subject: [Zope] auto increment in a Gadfly database?
Message-ID: <OE28uNjVuMhvqgStMVh0000047a@hotmail.com>

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you can in MySQL?  I have been searching the archives, maybe I am not =
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From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May 15 16:12:13 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:12:13 +0100
Subject: [Zope] auto increment in a Gadfly database?
References: <OE28uNjVuMhvqgStMVh0000047a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <010e01c0dd51$7183dad0$5c773fc1@media1>

In a word, no!
----- Original Message -----
From: matt standish
To: zope@zope.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:02 PM
Subject: [Zope] auto increment in a Gadfly database?


Is there a way to add a auto_increment column in a Gadfly database as you
can in MySQL?  I have been searching the archives, maybe I am not using the
correct terminology.  Any help anyone could provide would be great.  Thanks.



From hank@broughton-sys.com  Tue May 15 16:19:08 2001
From: hank@broughton-sys.com (Hank Bowry)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:19:08 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zzLocale
Message-ID: <702380C7ED26D511B91500805F149EE9165E8E@mail.broughton-sys.com>

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Hello All.

I'm trying to get zzLocale up and running on my zope 2.3.2
a couple of questions.

I've untarred where I believe it should be, and put the french locales under
Squishdot for example and restarted, and I can see the zzLocale under
products, but nothing really happens other than that....shouldn't something
be in french if my browser defaults to french?....what exactly should
happen?....and maybe it's not obvious 'cause I haven't set it up
correctly....
any help?

also, I noticed that the start script has an -L switch available for
localization...based on the RC_LANG or $LANG variable in the OS....is this
necessary for zzlocale? is it independant of zzlocale is it better or worse?
different? un-related?  what?

thanks for the enlightenment.

Hank

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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>a couple of questions.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've untarred where I believe it should be, and put =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>any help?</FONT>
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switch available for localization...based on the RC_LANG or $LANG =
variable in the OS....is this necessary for zzlocale? is it independant =
of zzlocale is it better or worse? different? un-related?&nbsp; =
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From marc@bowery.com  Tue May 15 16:25:23 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:25:23 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Module] mp3info.py-0.3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105151152480.21105-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <B726C2A3.2CFC2%marc@bowery.com>

bowerymarc is my member folder, index_html is a 'Formatted Document'... is
that not the right type for a home page?

> From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>
> Reply-To: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>
> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:54:49 +0400 (MSD)
> To: marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com>
> Cc: Zope Mailing List <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope] Re: [Module] mp3info.py-0.3
> 
> Wow!
> (Please note: I changed the list to the zope mailing list)
> 
> Can anyone explain this?
> 
> Marc, what type are those objects? (Is "bowerymarc" a Folder? Is
> index_html a DTML Document or Method?)
> 
> On Mon, 14 May 2001, marc lindahl wrote:
>> Something's funky with the site...
>> http://www.zope.org/Members/bowerymarc/index_html/index_html works...
>> 
>>>> URL:  http://www.zope.org/Members/bowerymarc/
>>> 
>>> Error 404 :(
> 
> Oleg.
> ----
> Oleg Broytmann            http://phd.pp.ru/            phd@phd.pp.ru
> Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
> 
> 
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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Tue May 15 16:27:20 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:27:20 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Module] mp3info.py-0.3
In-Reply-To: <B726C2A3.2CFC2%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105151925540.14102-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Tue, 15 May 2001, marc lindahl wrote:
> bowerymarc is my member folder, index_html is a 'Formatted Document'... is
> that not the right type for a home page?

   It seems there are problems with it. I have no idea whether these
problem are caused by bugs or what.
   Try making it DTML Method, and include your FormattedDocument with
dtml-var.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From lstafford@morphics.com  Tue May 15 16:35:02 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:35:02 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Xron: installation problem (SUSE 6.4, Zope 2.3)
In-Reply-To: <3B00D87C.2A8BC331@embl-grenoble.fr>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICAEMIGGAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

Homan: I don't know how others are getting along with Xron; that's a
question better asked on zope@zope.org. I've copied that list. I hear about
Xron from others mostly when it doesn't work; rarely when it does work.

How about it folks. We need some positive feedback here. Has anyone
successfully installed and used Xron on Zope2.3, SUSE 6.4?

Did you run into the lock-up on install problem? How did you get around it?

-- Loren

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Homan Els [mailto:homan@embl-grenoble.fr]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 00:19
> To: Loren Stafford
> Subject: Re: FW: [Zope] Xron: installation problem
>
>
> Hi  Loren,
>
> I did try to install the product (using Refresh, or deleting
> threads). But It
> still doesn't work.
> Is anybody else using this thread program on suse 6.4 , using
> Zope 2.3,  who
> don't have the problem with this ...?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Els
>
> Loren Stafford wrote:
>
> > Here's a copy of an earlier thread that may help your current situation.
> >
> > -- Loren
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eduard Gajdos [mailto:eduardg@funcom.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 01:54
> > To: Loren Stafford
> > Subject: RE: [Zope] Xron: installation problem
> >
> > Hi Loren,
> >
> > IT WORKS !!! :)
> >
> > We have tested also Xron DTML method calling an SQL method and
> it seems to
> > work.
> >
> > Eduard.
> >
> > On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Loren Stafford wrote:
> >
> > > Here's an idea that just occurred to me today. You may want
> to try it out.
> > > It might work, but I can't try it out, as I can't reproduct
> the problem
> > you
> > > have encountered. It will only work if Xron appears on the
> Control Panel
> > as
> > > an already installed (though perhaps broken) product.
> > >
> > > 1. Install the Refresh product.
> > http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/Refresh
> > >
> > > 2. Rename the __init__ file of Xron to something else, so
> that Xron won't
> > be
> > > loaded as Zope starts up.
> > >
> > > 3. Restart zope. Refresh will be loaded, but Xron will not.
> > >
> > > 4. Rename the __init__ file back to its proper name.
> > >
> > > 5. Click on the Refresh button on Xron's product page.
> > >
> > > Xron should start this time without deadlocking, because the
> deadlock is
> > due
> > > to some interaction with the rest of Zope's startup code.
> > >
> > > If this works, let me know.
> > >
> > > -- Loren
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Loren Stafford [mailto:lstafford@morphics.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:20
> > > > To: 'Eduard Gajdos'
> > > > Subject: RE: [Zope] Xron: installation problem
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, I can't tell you which order to kill the threads, partly
> > > > because I've never experienced the problem myself -- just
> > > > heard about it from others -- and partly because, as far as I
> > > > know, there is no way to distinguish the threads. Also, I
> > > > don't have a Linux installation here to try it on. So you'll
> > > > just have to try all combinations. I hope one works for you.
> > > >
> > > > -- Loren
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Eduard Gajdos [mailto:eduardg@funcom.com]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 04:05
> > > > > To: lstafford@morphics.com
> > > > > Subject: [Zope] Xron: installation problem
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Loren,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have problems with starting Xron. I get exactly the same
> > > > problem as
> > > > > described below - Zope freezes after Xron product
> > > > > instalation. Firstly I
> > > > > guessed it was caused cause of old version ( Client.py
> > > > patch) but now
> > > > > I'm running a completely new instalation of Zope 2.3 on a new
> > > > > computer and
> > > > > still get the same problem. (used Xron version 0.0.9). OS is
> > > > > redhat 6.2.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you can send me a guide how to determine in which order to
> > > > > kill zope
> > > > > threads or a link to some resources wich resolve this problem
> > > > > I would be
> > > > > very glad.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you in advance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eduard Gajdos.
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:31:05 +0200
> > > > > From: "[iso-8859-1] Geir Bfkholt" <geirh@funcom.com>
> > > > > To: eduardg@funcom.com
> > > > > Subject: FW: [Zope] Xron: installation problem
> > > > >
> > > > > Snippet from the zope mailinglist about Xron..
> > > > >
> > > > > perhaps something helpful ?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > geir
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> > > > > Fra: Loren Stafford <lstafford@morphics.com>
> > > > > Til: 'Pascal FITTON' <pascal.f@crosscontent.com>; Zope@zope.org
> > > > > <Zope@zope.org>
> > > > > Dato: 28. mars 2001 20:06
> > > > > Emne: RE: [Zope] Xron: installation problem
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >There is a problem on some systems that causes a newly installed
> > > > > Xron to
> > > > > >deadlock during the product initialization process. Using ps you
> > > > > can see the
> > > > > >Zope threads. You will have to kill each thread. If you kill them
> > > > > in the
> > > > > >right order, Xron will initialize properly and, after you restart
> > > > > Zope, you
> > > > > >won't have any further problems. I can't tell you how to
> determine
> > > > > what the
> > > > > >right order is. Good luck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-- Loren
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf
> > > > > Of
> > > > > >> Pascal FITTON
> > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 01:07
> > > > > >> To: Zope@zope.org
> > > > > >> Subject: [Zope] Xron: installation problem
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hi!
> > > > > >> when i take the Xron (v0.0.9) file, i untar and place
> it into the
> > > > > zope
> > > > > >> directory. I restart Zope and i give my username and password
> > > > > >> but after i
> > > > > >> can't see the windows manager.... i'll see the Xron's files
> > > > > >> and i think that
> > > > > >> files can't be compiled....
> > > > > >> I've been installed python 1.5.2, python-devel, and i use the
> > > > > >> Zope zserver.
> > > > > >> If somebody know how i can do to succeed to install it.
> > > > > >> thanx
> > > > > >> pascal
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> _______________________________________________
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> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>



From andym@ActiveState.com  Tue May 15 16:48:39 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:48:39 -0700
Subject: [Zope] FSPoll
References: <11204746D436D411A6F90004AC5396110D8316@EXCHSRVR1>
Message-ID: <007701c0dd56$e1d87840$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> Hi yeah sorry...
>
> I install it like any other product...
> Then it looks like it works it doesnt appear broken..
> When I add an FSPoll it works (it creates the index etc.) but the FSPol=
l
> Question an Awnser don=B4t appear in the list of items I can add.
> I tried it on my stand alone computer and it worked with zope 2.3.1.
> Ohh and the Poll image doesn=B4t appear.
>
> ohh and I don=B4t get a traceback

Sorry, I have absolutely no idea. I'll have another look at it tonight to
see if something obvious jumps out at me. The only obvious thing is that =
the
permissions to add those objects are screwed.

Im running it on Zope 2.3.2 without any problem.

--
  Andy McKay



From marc@bowery.com  Tue May 15 16:46:43 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:46:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Module] mp3info.py-0.3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105151925540.14102-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <B726C7A3.2CFD2%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>
> 
> It seems there are problems with it. I have no idea whether these
> problem are caused by bugs or what.
> Try making it DTML Method, and include your FormattedDocument with
> dtml-var.


You'd think that if I made a DTML Method with just the line <dtml-var
index_ft> or perhaps <dtml-return index_ft> (where I renamed my
FormattedDocument index_ft), it would work but this is what seems to do it:

<dtml-with index_ft>
 <dtml-return index_html>
</dtml-with>

in a DTML method called index_html.  Try it....

What's the deal?  FormattedDocument is acting like a folder??



From andym@ActiveState.com  Tue May 15 16:51:14 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:51:14 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope Security
References: <vg3da6bsv9.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de> <001501c0dd4d$f159d330$abcc4e18@cr582427a>
Message-ID: <007801c0dd56$e23bcdf0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

And I would also point out that on the rare occasion a problem is found, DC
have fixed it asap. If not sooner.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy McKay" <andym@ActiveState.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>; "Alastair Burt" <burt@dfki.de>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope Security


> There do appear to be a large number of hotfixes but you could examine
what
> they are actually for since most are extremely obscure and dont actually
> present much of a risk. I rarely bother with most hotfixes, just move up
to
> the next Zope as it comes out.
>
> Zope is very secure, the only obvious problem is, as you say, passwords
are
> not encrypted.
> --
>   Andy McKay
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alastair Burt" <burt@dfki.de>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:15 AM
> Subject: [Zope] Zope Security
>
>
> > I am getting aggravation from our sysadmin, who is reluctant to poke
holes
> > in our new firewall for my Zope ports.  He claims he knows of no
software
> > in the last few years that has so many security holes.  Is there
anything
> > to justify this claim?  I know there are an alarmingly large number of
> Zope
> > hotfixes on the security mailing lists and that login passwords get sent
> in
> > the clear, when not using ssl.  On the other hand, I know of no attempt
to
> > hack a Zope site.
> >
> > --- Alastair
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Tue May 15 16:48:34 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:48:34 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Module] mp3info.py-0.3
In-Reply-To: <B726C7A3.2CFD2%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105151948140.14102-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Tue, 15 May 2001, marc lindahl wrote:
> What's the deal?  FormattedDocument is acting like a folder??

   Seems so. I've never tried it.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From alex@quad.com.ar  Tue May 15 16:47:09 2001
From: alex@quad.com.ar (Alex)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:47:09 -0300
Subject: [Zope] Postgresql Adaptors
Message-ID: <004001c0dd56$4d5843d0$0201a8c0@ALEX>

I'm migrating some code that uses ZMySQLDA to ZPoPY, and just figured out
that ZPoPY does not convert datetime fields to time objects when I select
them. Is there any pgsql adaptor for zope that does this convertion?
(zmysqlda does it) I thought all database adaptors had some kind of
standards, like data type conversion, but it doesn't look like this is the
case.

thanks

Alex



From laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu  Tue May 15 17:18:27 2001
From: laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu (Laurie Nason)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:18:27 -0500
Subject: [Zope] dtml-with question
Message-ID: <NFBBIFLELKMLLIEKAAOKCEFPCCAA.laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu>

Hi there,
I have a little question for you gurus out there...
Why does this first piece of code work when I explicitly state the folder
name and the second not work when I use a variable in its place? (lookup
type is set to strain)
#1--------------------------------
	<dtml-with name="lookups">
		<dtml-with name="strain">
            	<dtml-in expr="objectValues()" sort="id">
                  	<dtml-var name="id">
                 	</dtml-in>
		</dtml-with>
	</dtml-with>

#2--------------------------------
	<dtml-with name="lookups">
		<dtml-with name=lookuptype>
            	<dtml-in expr="objectValues()" sort="id">
                  	<dtml-var name="id">
                 	</dtml-in>
		</dtml-with>
	</dtml-with>

By my reckoning this should do the same thing, iterate over the contents of
the strain folder and list the ids of its objects.
Why isn't it working?

Laurie Nason
Dept. of Biochemistry - N420
Baylor College of Medicine
Houston. TX77030



From ddb@namshub.org  Tue May 15 17:33:15 2001
From: ddb@namshub.org (David Brown)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:33:15 -0700
Subject: [Zope] dtml-with question
In-Reply-To: <NFBBIFLELKMLLIEKAAOKCEFPCCAA.laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515092948.00a8f128@hogwarts>

The problem is that

>                 <dtml-with name=lookuptype>

isn't really what you want -- you're telling dtml-var that the name is 
lookuptype, when what you really mean is that you want the value of lookuptype.

It's probably more complex than this, but try:

<dtml-var expr="lookuptype">

The quotes are not controlling evaluation, like you think they are.  Inf 
act, by the time it gets to the dtml-var evaluation code, Zope has no clue 
whether or not you have quoted it or not.

dave





From liao@acusd.edu  Tue May 15 16:48:13 2001
From: liao@acusd.edu (Luby Liao)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Postgresql Adaptors
In-Reply-To: <004001c0dd56$4d5843d0$0201a8c0@ALEX>
References: <004001c0dd56$4d5843d0$0201a8c0@ALEX>
Message-ID: <15105.20413.790449.457239@holycow.acusd.edu>

Alex, check out psycopg at

  http://www.initd.org/Software/psycopg/

cheers, Luby 

 > I'm migrating some code that uses ZMySQLDA to ZPoPY, and just figured out
 > that ZPoPY does not convert datetime fields to time objects when I select
 > them. Is there any pgsql adaptor for zope that does this convertion?
 > (zmysqlda does it) I thought all database adaptors had some kind of
 > standards, like data type conversion, but it doesn't look like this is the
 > case.
 > 
 > thanks
 > 
 > Alex
 > 
 > 
 > _______________________________________________
 > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
 > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
 > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
 > (Related lists - 
 >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
 >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
 > 


From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Tue May 15 18:00:24 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:00:24 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Weird (?) Python Script problem
Message-ID: <200105151000240140.0124CB85@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

The following script follows all the rules, I think. It
saves fine, and I usually get an exception when I save a
script if there's something wrong with it. But when I try
to run it, it pops up the "Please type your user name and
password" dialog box, and it will not accept my "root" zope
admin password.

## Script (Python) "SeminarID"
##bind container=container
##bind context=context
##bind namespace=
##bind script=script
##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
##parameters=name
##title=
##
import string, time

order_id = string.join(string.split(string.strip(name)),
'') # Remove spaces
idstring = ''

for c in order_id:
  if c in string.letters: # Take only characters
    idstring = idstring + c
order_id = idstring[0:20] # Take only the first 20
characters
order_id = "%s%x" % (order_id, time.time()) # Combine with
current time in hex for unique ID
return order_id

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From hohage@muenster.de  Tue May 15 18:04:03 2001
From: hohage@muenster.de (Sven Hohage)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:04:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Product Installation via the Web?
References: <20010515145352.15677.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B016183.5050507@muenster.de>

Hello Rahsheen,
with 'evil' you'll make yourself only good friends, but
you won't install a product. ;-)
You have to put the Product you want to use in the ZODB within
lib/python/products on the server.
This means Telnet or something similar.
That's all.
       Bye
             Sven

Rahsheen Porter wrote:

>I'm behind an extremely anal firewall here at work and
>was wondering if there is a way for me to install
>products on my Zope server via the web. I noticed
>ZInstaller (I think that's the name) on ZopeZen.org,
>but I can't even install that for reasons mentioned
>above :)
>
>Is there any way I can get around this? I was thinking
>maybe uploading the packages into the ZODB and somehow
>doing evil DTML tricks to get it installed, but I
>don't know enough DTML to fathom whether something
>like that is even possible.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>---
>Rahsheen Porter
>
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From andym@ActiveState.com  Tue May 15 18:17:46 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:17:46 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Weird (?) Python Script problem
References: <200105151000240140.0124CB85@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c0dd62$fa57de90$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

When I ran that script and read the traceback I found the message:

Unauthorized: time

Python Scripts run in a "sandbox" with limited import capabilities. There is
a way around it somewhere in the docs.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Eckel" <Bruce@EckelObjects.com>
To: "password horpz" <zope@zope.org>
Cc: <chrism@digicool.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:00 AM
Subject: [Zope] Weird (?) Python Script problem


> The following script follows all the rules, I think. It
> saves fine, and I usually get an exception when I save a
> script if there's something wrong with it. But when I try
> to run it, it pops up the "Please type your user name and
> password" dialog box, and it will not accept my "root" zope
> admin password.
>
> ## Script (Python) "SeminarID"
> ##bind container=container
> ##bind context=context
> ##bind namespace=
> ##bind script=script
> ##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
> ##parameters=name
> ##title=
> ##
> import string, time
>
> order_id = string.join(string.split(string.strip(name)),
> '') # Remove spaces
> idstring = ''
>
> for c in order_id:
>   if c in string.letters: # Take only characters
>     idstring = idstring + c
> order_id = idstring[0:20] # Take only the first 20
> characters
> order_id = "%s%x" % (order_id, time.time()) # Combine with
> current time in hex for unique ID
> return order_id
>
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From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Tue May 15 18:15:33 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:15:33 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Weird (?) Python Script problem
In-Reply-To: <200105151000240140.0124CB85@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
References: <200105151000240140.0124CB85@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <200105151015330540.0132AC63@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

Never mind. I just figured out the DateTime() thing.
(replace time.time() below with DateTime()).

Although it seems a strange way to report an error.

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On 5/15/01 at 10:00 AM Bruce Eckel wrote:

>The following script follows all the rules, I think. It
>saves fine, and I usually get an exception when I save a
>script if there's something wrong with it. But when I try
>to run it, it pops up the "Please type your user name and
>password" dialog box, and it will not accept my "root"
zope
>admin password.
>
>## Script (Python) "SeminarID"
>##bind container=container
>##bind context=context
>##bind namespace=
>##bind script=script
>##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
>##parameters=name
>##title=
>##
>import string, time
>
>order_id = string.join(string.split(string.strip(name)),
>'') # Remove spaces
>idstring = ''
>
>for c in order_id:
>  if c in string.letters: # Take only characters
>    idstring = idstring + c
>order_id = idstring[0:20] # Take only the first 20
>characters
>order_id = "%s%x" % (order_id, time.time()) # Combine with
>current time in hex for unique ID
>return order_id
>
>Most current information can be found at:
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>"Thinking in C++ 2e"
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From arkaitz@euskalcom.net  Tue May 15 18:41:27 2001
From: arkaitz@euskalcom.net (Arkaitz Bitorika)
Date: 15 May 2001 19:41:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zzLocale
In-Reply-To: <702380C7ED26D511B91500805F149EE9165E8E@mail.broughton-sys.com>
References: <702380C7ED26D511B91500805F149EE9165E8E@mail.broughton-sys.com>
Message-ID: <989948491.5603.3.camel@basajaun>

I don't know the answers to your questions, but after I found a problem
between zzLocale and Zope 2.3.2, the zzLocale maintainer told me that it
doesn't support more than Zope 2.2.5, and he doesn't have any plan to
support 2.3.x.
Now, is anyone out there working on localization of the Zope interface
and/or localized Zope sites? It would be very nice to know which
techniques you use.

Thanks,
Arkaitz.

On 15 May 2001 11:19:08 -0400, Hank Bowry wrote:
> Hello All.
> 
> I'm trying to get zzLocale up and running on my zope 2.3.2
> a couple of questions.
> 
> I've untarred where I believe it should be, and put the french locales under
> Squishdot for example and restarted, and I can see the zzLocale under
> products, but nothing really happens other than that....shouldn't something
> be in french if my browser defaults to french?....what exactly should
> happen?....and maybe it's not obvious 'cause I haven't set it up
> correctly....
> any help?
> 
> also, I noticed that the start script has an -L switch available for
> localization...based on the RC_LANG or $LANG variable in the OS....is this
> necessary for zzlocale? is it independant of zzlocale is it better or worse?
> different? un-related?  what?
> 
> thanks for the enlightenment.
> 
> Hank



From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May 15 18:33:32 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:33:32 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Weird (?) Python Script problem
References: <200105151000240140.0124CB85@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com> <200105151015330540.0132AC63@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <02fd01c0dd65$29e9d6c0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Zope is (again) carefully protecting you from yourself, which it does
extremely well.   Try not to kick the PC too hard, you'll dent it. ;-)

The original problem was (with time.time()) that the Python 'time' module
does not have any module security info declarations associated with it
inside of Zope.  You can make these declarations... there is documentation
in the developer's guide about how to make use of "modulesecurityinfo"
objects to expose arbitrary module-level functions to Python Scripts.
Please see http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZDG/Security.dtml for he gory
details.

In this case, you need to add a security declaration somewhere for the time
module's time function within a Product file.  For instance, you can create
a Product directory named "time_secured" (inside lib/python/Products), put a
file in there named __init__.py, and add the following contents to it
(untested):

  import time
  def time():
     return time.time()

  from AccessControl import ModuleSecurityInfo
  modulesecurity = ModuleSecurityInfo()
  modulesecurity.declarePublic('time')
  modulesecurity.apply(globals())

Then from within PythonScripts, you can do:

  import time_secured
  t = time_secured.time()

For the (gory) explanation of why this is necessary in this particular case,
read the Developer's Guide with an eye towards the fact that the "time"
module is a module implemented in C.

- C



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Eckel" <Bruce@EckelObjects.com>
To: "password horpz" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Weird (?) Python Script problem


> Never mind. I just figured out the DateTime() thing.
> (replace time.time() below with DateTime()).
>
> Although it seems a strange way to report an error.
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
>
> On 5/15/01 at 10:00 AM Bruce Eckel wrote:
>
> >The following script follows all the rules, I think. It
> >saves fine, and I usually get an exception when I save a
> >script if there's something wrong with it. But when I try
> >to run it, it pops up the "Please type your user name and
> >password" dialog box, and it will not accept my "root"
> zope
> >admin password.
> >
> >## Script (Python) "SeminarID"
> >##bind container=container
> >##bind context=context
> >##bind namespace=
> >##bind script=script
> >##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
> >##parameters=name
> >##title=
> >##
> >import string, time
> >
> >order_id = string.join(string.split(string.strip(name)),
> >'') # Remove spaces
> >idstring = ''
> >
> >for c in order_id:
> >  if c in string.letters: # Take only characters
> >    idstring = idstring + c
> >order_id = idstring[0:20] # Take only the first 20
> >characters
> >order_id = "%s%x" % (order_id, time.time()) # Combine with
> >current time in hex for unique ID
> >return order_id
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From juliodinis@hotmail.com  Tue May 15 18:29:37 2001
From: juliodinis@hotmail.com (Júlio Dinis Silva)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:29:37 +0100
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog + Directory product question
Message-ID: <F67t6Y3h19KZ9aBd5Gj0000c856@hotmail.com>

Hi,

supose you have a product with two classes:

MyCategory
   |
   ---------- MyLink

Both classes are CatalogAware.
The ideia of this classes is to implement
a Directory like yahoo (think about the Yiahw product).

Now I start creating my Directory.
My classes have a property "active" that I use
to activate and deactivate some parts of my Directory.

Now I want to search in my Catalog in which I have MyCategory and
MyLink instances catalogued.

When I do a search I want to retrieve only results with the
"active" property "on". This is ease no big deal. But I want to guarante 
that all PARENTS of a given Mylink are all with active property "on". Yes no 
big deal, for each result from my search I
run trough the getPath(data_record_id) or even PARENTS and check for each 
Parent if they are all with active==on.

Well the problem arises when you have 30 results in your search and
all are Mylinks in a directory depth path of 10 category... The search
becomes to heavy,i.e, scalability is compromised.

I'm thinking I could use the zope security engine to do the active/deactive 
trick, i.e, when I deactivate one MyCategory I uncheck some security entry, 
then listing my directory I do a dtml-in with skip-unauthorized, and when I 
do a search I try to getObject MyLink's
results as a anonymous role and then skip_unauthorized.

I think this skip_unauthorized could be the solution for this
ZCatalog+Directory product scalability, because instead of running
trough the PARENTS and check a property, I will be using zope's
internal security mecanism.

Any hints,
Júlio Dinis Silva
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Tue May 15 18:41:13 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:41:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] External methods and DTML ?
In-Reply-To: <200105141438.AA25690712@mail.networknow.org>
References: <200105141438.AA25690712@mail.networknow.org>
Message-ID: <3842326.989955673@BUZZER>

Hi,

its quiet simple:

your External methods might look like so:

import string
files={'file1':'path/to/file','file2','path/to/file2'}
def ReadExternalFile(fileid):
        # try to open file. If fileid is invalid, an exception occurs
	file=open(files[fileid])
	# you can do some processing as splitting up into lines:
        return file.readlines()

def WriteExternalFile(fileid,lines):
        # try to open file. If fileid is invalid, an exception occurs
	file=open(files[fileid],'w')
	file.writelines(lines)


You can then use these methods like this in your dtml-method:

<dtml-if myfile>
<dtml-call "WriteExternalFile(fileid='file1',lines=myfile)">
</dtml-if form was submitted>

<form method="post">
<dtml-with "ReadExternalFile(fileid='file1')">
<textarea name="myfile">
<dtml-var read htmlquote>
</textarea>
</dtml-with>
<input type="submit" name="foo" value="change">


Ok, this is very sketchy but you should get the point.
However, the above method does not protect the file
from modifying through concourrent requests.

If you want to protect yourself against this,
I would suggest writing a class in the external method:

import string
files={'file1':'path/to/file','file2','path/to/file2'}

class ProtectFileChange:
	__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects_=1
	def __init__(self,fileid):
		# do something to protect the file, e.g. rename it
            # or use locking on it (see posix)
            self.file=open(files[fileid],'rw')

        def read(self):
		self.file.seek(0)
		return(self.file.read())
	
	def write(self,data):
		self.file.seek(0)
		self.file.write(data)
	def __del__(self):
            # do something to unlock the file
		self.file.close()  # cleenup.

def PFile(fileid):
	return ProtectFileChange(fileid)

You can use this class as External method this way:

<dtml-with "PFile(fileid='file1')">

<dtml-if myfile>
<dtml-call "write(myfile)">
</dtml-if>

<form method=post>
<textarea name="myfile">
<dtml-var read html_quote>
</textarea>
<input type="submit" value="change">
</form>
</dtml-with>


The latter keeps the object with the file until the request ends.

This is untested code however, there might be a lot of typos :)

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 14:38 -0700 Gardner Pomper 
<gardner@networknow.org> wrote:

> Well, the short answer would be that I don't know. Maybe you could give
> me a hint. For example..
>
> I put up a form, which must display the contents of a file on the Unix
> host. The user edits this form and presses the submit button. This should
> spawn a program, which will create an output file. I want to display the
> output file on another web page.
>
> Naturally I won't be displaying the files unchanged; I have to process
> them abit before displaying.
>
> I don't know how to call my external method by pressing the submit button
> and then display an output. If I make the action of the form run my
> external method, how do the results get displayed? If I have the action
> go to another DTML file, how do the form fields get passed to my external
> script?
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Gardner
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de>
> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:16:04 +0200
>
>> Hi Gardner,
>>
>> why dont you just let your external methods handle data
>> in- and output and delegate rendering of html to
>> DTML-Methods in zope?
>>
>> Regards
>> Tino Wildenhain
>>
>> --On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 14:07 -0700 Gardner Pomper
>> <gardner@networknow.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am using Zope to build a front end to a bunch of Unix processes. I
>>> need to use external methods to read/write files and kick off the jobs.
>>> In these external methods, I use DocumentTemplate.HTMLFile() to build
>>> the HTML forms for data entry.
>>>
>>> My problem is that I don't seem to be able to hook the
>>> DocumentTemplate.HTMLFile() to a DTML file created in Zope. Therefore I
>>> have to create the DTML files manually. This isn't too bad, but when I
>>> change the DTML files during development, Zope seems to have cached the
>>> old copy and I often end up having to kill off the Zope server and
>>> restart it just to try out the new version of the DTML file. This is
>>> annoying and time consuming.
>>>
>>> Is there some way to get the files reread each time? Failing that, is
>>> there a way for an external method to access a DTML file that Zope knows
>>> about (and will that help me with this refresh problem)?
>>>
>>> I am pretty new to Zope (a week or so). If there is an easier way to do
>>> all this, I would be happy to hear it.
>>>
>>> - Gardner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>






From andym@ActiveState.com  Tue May 15 18:46:53 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:46:53 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re:  [OT] subject headings/clarification
References: <989606626.9772.0.camel@locutus><Pine.LNX.4.21.0105111253320.16199-100000@localhost.localdomain><20010511150910.B5016@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu><001901c0da5a$124e0a30$ae03a8c0@activestate.com><989641212.10476.0.camel@locutus> <002d01c0dcc9$71027ea0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <989887112.2280.2.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <00b201c0dd67$0a05dbe0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> Andy, if I send  message to you directly, there is no mailing list
> involved. Duh!  I can just as easily say that "If I send you a reply,
> and delete the [Zope] part of the header, you don't get to filter on it,
> either."

I know that. Its a fact that I get a lot of replies where people email me
directly as a result of a post on the list. Most mail clients preserve the
subject line, hence it still it gets filtered which is what I want.

I dont agree with people doing that, but hey they do.

> That didn't exactly make sense ... and the number is greater than five;
> this happens avery few months or so.

First time Ive seen this discussion. Obviously managed to miss it before.

Thats it last email. Im putting this to rest.
--
  Andy McKay.




From tino@wildenhain.de  Tue May 15 18:51:18 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:51:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Converting old site to Zope
In-Reply-To: <20010514235641.48501.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20010514235641.48501.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4447851.989956278@BUZZER>

Hi Rasheen,

there is a load_site.py script to do exacly this.
However, I would not recomment this.
Try to figure out whats common in your files and
isolate it into (Z-)classes. This way you only
need to import a very small part of your old site
and would use the advantages of Zope.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 16:56 -0700 Rahsheen Porter 
<cipher_atl@yahoo.com> wrote:

> This may very well be a FAQ, but I can't seem to
> locate the answer. How do I import my old website run
> by Apache into Zope? Is there an easy way or do I have
> to sit here and add each individual file? (it's a
> simple static site)
>
> ---
> Rahsheen Porter
>
> __________________________________________________
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From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Tue May 15 19:03:51 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:03:51 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Iterating through fields in a form
Message-ID: <200105151103510410.0013AD19@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

How do I iterate through the fields in a form, inside the
form handler? The REQUEST object has the form fields and
way too much other stuff...

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From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Tue May 15 19:18:40 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:18:40 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: Iterating through fields
References: <200105151038350850.0147C4DF@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
 <035f01c0dd69$9f0a4990$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <200105151118400880.00214018@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

Chris answered it, below:

*********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********

On 5/15/01 at 2:05 PM Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com>
wrote:

>I got this one!  ;-)
>
>Inside a PythonScript:
>
>for key, val in context.REQUEST.form.items():
>     ... do something with key and val ...
n

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From andym@ActiveState.com  Tue May 15 19:26:54 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:26:54 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Iterating through fields in a form
References: <200105151103510410.0013AD19@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <00fb01c0dd6c$9f162910$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

In dtml?

<dtml-in "REQUEST.form.keys()">
<dtml-var sequence-item>:<dtml-var "_[_['sequence-item']]">
</dtml-in>

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Eckel" <Bruce@EckelObjects.com>
To: "password horpz" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:03 AM
Subject: [Zope] Iterating through fields in a form


> How do I iterate through the fields in a form, inside the
> form handler? The REQUEST object has the form fields and
> way too much other stuff...
> 
> Most current information can be found at:
> http://www.mindview.net/Etc/notes.html
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> 
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From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May 15 19:25:25 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:25:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Iterating through fields in a form
References: <200105151103510410.0013AD19@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <00f101c0dd6c$68e1f860$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Bruce Eckel]


> How do I iterate through the fields in a form, inside the
> form handler? The REQUEST object has the form fields and
> way too much other stuff...
> 

<title> See A Request</title>
<ul><dtml-in "REQUEST.form.keys()">
     <li><dtml-var sequence-item> values:<ul>
     <dtml-in "REQUEST.form[_['sequence-item']]">
             <li><dtml-var sequence-item><br>
     </dtml-in>
     </ul>
</dtml-in>
</ul>

Cheers,

Tom P



From iap@y2fun.com  Tue May 15 19:39:03 2001
From: iap@y2fun.com (iap_y2fun.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:39:03 +0800
Subject: [Work-around] (was Re: [Zope] Will the inheritance relationship will be preserved after export/import?)
References: <C374E6A0E25BD41197FB00508B014A1301FE1D83@FW-ZEUS>
Message-ID: <000c01c0dd6e$53bcd840$6601a8c0@y2fun.com>

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RE: [Zope] Will the inheritance relationship will be preserved after
export/import?By stealing some codes from AlexR's helpful how-to
"Changing Base Classes for a ZClass".
I wrote an external method to be a quick-and-dirty
work around. (see the attachment)

This external method helps a zclass to change
the old reference of its base class (an instance of ZClass)
to the new one  in "new" ZODB.
Just install this external method(with t,t,t as parameters)
and request it by a browser.
It will response a form for you to fill in your product/class
name pair.

"Source Product/Class" is for the base class.
"Destination Product/Class" is for the class which lost its
reference to the base class.
The value of class accepts nested class which means
ClassA/ClassB/ClassC.... is valid for this field. In my own
case, I have a nested class up to 5 level.

The "replace" field is for inputing the index of the old reference
of base class which is going to be replaced. (starts from 0)
Since the base classes is an array which is a mixup of serveral
products.

The "copy" checkbox is for doing a full-replacement of base classes
from source zclass to destination zclass exactly as what AlexR's script
does.

The "Test Run" button won't do the real task. It just gives the information
of what is going to happen. Use this to dump out
the array of base classes of your source zclass and destination zclass.

The "Real Run" button will do the real task to replace or to copy.
Hope that you won't be regret after hit this button.
Hitting "Test Run" is strongly recommended before hitting "Real Run".

If the path of source zclass or destination zclass is wrong
which means there is no such zclass existed,
this external method will response "None" for your attention.
Make sure the zclasses you want to operate to
are really existed in your ZODB.

Most important of all: use it in your own risk.
Remember to export your product for backing up
before any actions.
It works for me not necessary work for you.
But I do hope it helps.

kosh@aesaeion.com is right. This problem won't be happened in
a product which is implemented in pure python scripts.
That is quite trivial after dumping
the base classes of a ZClasses-based product.
Zope is great! Well, I agree with what kosh said
"Zclasses are not robust solutions they mostly seem designed for trivial
solutions by largely non programmers."

Regards,
Iap, Singuan

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'+html_quote(str(destClass)))=0A=
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<b>Source</b><br>=0A=
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ZClass:  <input name=3Dspc value=3D"%s" size=3D40> ClassA/ClassB is =
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ZClass:  <input name=3Ddpc value=3D"%s" size=3D40><br>=0A=
Replace At <input name=3D"replace" value=3D"%s" size=3D5><br>=0A=
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From iap@y2fun.com  Tue May 15 19:51:21 2001
From: iap@y2fun.com (iap_y2fun.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:51:21 +0800
Subject: [Zope] getPhysicalPath of a DTML Method?
References: <15098.62451.92265.856952@lindm.dm>
Message-ID: <001301c0dd70$091dd6c0$6601a8c0@y2fun.com>

Hi, Dieter
Thanks for your response.
It does works for a normal zclass.
In my case, I have a zclass-based product which got wrong
reference to its base class after **exported to/imported from**
another  ZODB. which means there is a zombie zclass (or a
shadow zclass) reference in its _zbases.
It doesn't work in that situation.
If it works, it should return the zombie DTML method of the zombie zclass.
But it seems not. I takes quite a long time to try to figure out
"where the old-codes came from". And find that.
Well, I have sloved my problem by replace the reference to the
missing base class. So this doesn't matter anymore.
Thanks a lot.

Iap, Singuan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dieter Maurer" <dieter@handshake.de>
To: "iap_y2fun.com" <iap@y2fun.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] getPhysicalPath of a DTML Method?


> iap_y2fun.com writes:
>  > ... pythical path of a DTML method ...
>  > 1. The "method.this().absolute_url(1)" work-around dosen't
>  > work for me.
> Why not?
>
> What about:
>      "method.getPhysicalPath()"
>
>
> Dieter
>
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From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Tue May 15 20:34:39 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:34:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [OT] sourceforge voodoo headaches
Message-ID: <001401c0dd76$16179ea0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

Is Sourceforge only stable when _not_ used with Internet Explorer?

On a regular basis Sourceforge hangs or crashes my system when I follow a
sourcforge link using latest IE5.5. But it did with previous versions too.
What a headache !#$ - I never know which pages are ok and which are not..

For example:
http://pybsddb.sourceforge.net/ = OK

but clicking on the link to download "Source and Binary Releases"
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=13900

hangs my systrem until I ctrl+alt+del to kill that IE window.
Backup and launch NS. ok loads fine.

Does anyone else experience this?

./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From joe@iuveno-net.de  Tue May 15 20:40:16 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:40:16 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope Security
References: <vg3da6bsv9.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
Message-ID: <005101c0dd76$eadb64a0$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

Hi!

> I am getting aggravation from our sysadmin, who is reluctant to poke holes
> in our new firewall for my Zope ports.  He claims he knows of no software
> in the last few years that has so many security holes.  Is there anything
> to justify this claim?  I know there are an alarmingly large number of
Zope
> hotfixes on the security mailing lists and that login passwords get sent
in
> the clear, when not using ssl.  On the other hand, I know of no attempt to
> hack a Zope site.

I 've heard of one: But that was Tom Schwaller getting password-sniffed in
the local IP network on LinuxTag. ;-) Though I am not sure if this is just a
good story or real ...

 This could have happened with any other software that allows over-the-web
management. And using SSL does away with this ...

Zope CAN be dangerous if applied without care of course. But that's the job
of your sysadmin. E.g. LocalFS combined with read/write permissions to
critical resources for the user account running Zope is like leaving the
door of your car open in Naples ...

Joachim



From joe@iuveno-net.de  Tue May 15 20:44:55 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:44:55 +0200
Subject: [Zope] MSWordDocument
References: <3B01ACBA.89534E99@smartferret.com>
Message-ID: <000901c0dd77$84879a60$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> Has anyone got FTP and WebDAV together with MSWordDocument under Zope
> 2.3.x (exactly: 2.3.2) to run ?

MSWord is a bit buggy. It's not your fault. ;-)

You might check for a bug I remember: In the patch for Resources.py that you
have to apply, "type" instead of "typ" is used ...

Joachim



From ta@smartferret.com  Wed May 16 05:47:21 2001
From: ta@smartferret.com (Takashi Linzbichler)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:47:21 -0700
Subject: [Zope] MSWordDocument
Message-ID: <3B020659.70442994@smartferret.com>

Joachim Werner wrote:
> 
> MSWord is a bit buggy. It's not your fault. ;-)
> 
> You might check for a bug I remember: In the patch for Resources.py that you
> have to apply, "type" instead of "typ" is used ...

Oh, sorry, forgot to mention that: this was the first bug I discovered
and fixed ... :-(

But this did unfortunatly not solve any problem, just made it
predictable.

        ta

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From michel@digicool.com  Tue May 15 20:49:24 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:49:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Zope Security
In-Reply-To: <vg3da6bsv9.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105151244210.32512-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On 15 May 2001, Alastair Burt wrote:

> I am getting aggravation from our sysadmin, who is reluctant to poke holes
> in our new firewall for my Zope ports.  He claims he knows of no software
> in the last few years that has so many security holes.  Is there anything
> to justify this claim? 

Not really.

> I know there are an alarmingly large number of Zope
> hotfixes on the security mailing lists

Not any more than many other popular server systems.  An often our
security alerts are for unauthorized access to objects, *not* to your
filesystem or the rest of your machine or network.  If you do the right
thing and run Zope as nobody, you should be fine.

> and that login passwords get sent in
> the clear, when not using ssl. 

That's the fault of HTTP basic auth, not Zope, Apache and everything else
sends it's basic auth credentials in the same way.

> On the other hand, I know of no attempt to
> hack a Zope site.

I suggest you tell your administrator that he's right, and that in no way
should you use Zope.  Use IIS instead.  It's much more secure, really.  Oh
yeah, and he absolutly must install FrontPage 2000 for his security to be
airtight.

-Michel



From karl@digicool.com  Tue May 15 20:49:50 2001
From: karl@digicool.com (Karl Anderson)
Date: 15 May 2001 12:49:50 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ParsedXML performance (was: Squishdot News)
In-Reply-To: "Joachim Werner"'s message of "Tue, 15 May 2001 01:37:28 +0200"
References: <93450000.989859404@localhost.localdomain> <009901c0dcce$d66cc480$0200a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
Message-ID: <m01ypqqtnl.fsf@dclxvi.foobar.not>

"Joachim Werner" <joe@iuveno-net.de> writes:

> > > (Does Zope 2.3.2+ ship with a fast XML parser? If so, what's it called
> > > and where do I import it from?)
> 
> Just because you mentioned "fast": Am I doing any thing wrong, or is
> ParsedXML extremely slow? The tests I did were not really reliable, but even
> with a fast Pentium III machine (800 MHz, a lot of RAM), switching between
> the edit view and the DOM view can take a couple of seconds for me. And
> that's for really simple, ten-line test XML documents.

That's way slower than what I've seen.  The edit or DOM tree view of a
ten-line XML document should not be noticably slower than your average
Zope management page on a fast machine.  I test on a 666 Mhz box with
lots of other stuff going on and don't see this.

If you're looking at the *collapsed* DOM tree view, ParsedXML isn't
doing much at all, just getting the document element node, so slowness
that you see there probably isn't ParsedXML.

Access these pages and some DTML documents or whatever *on the same
server with the same load* with wget or ab, and time the results.
What is the difference?

That being said, printing the XML is slow, which is why the default
view isn't the edit window.  I recommend cacheing when you're using the
XML from ParsedXML.  And also, yes, ParsedXML proxies the DOM in an
clunky way, which is why it is often a good idea to use the
proxied DOM when speed is an issue.  It's a compromise.  ParsedXML's
proxy layer has the features, the proxied DOM has the speed, but is
nothing but DOM.

-- 
Karl Anderson                          karl@digicool.com


From eric@walstads.net  Tue May 15 21:23:02 2001
From: eric@walstads.net (Eric Walstad)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:23:02 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [OT] sourceforge voodoo headaches
In-Reply-To: <001401c0dd76$16179ea0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <NEBBIHDFELHAEMHJHFIEGEINCKAA.eric@walstads.net>

Hi Jason.  The link you included below works for me.
I'm running IE5.50.4522.1800 on Win98
Hope that helps,
Eric.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Jason
> Cunliffe
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:35 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] [OT] sourceforge voodoo headaches
>
>
> Is Sourceforge only stable when _not_ used with Internet Explorer?
>
> On a regular basis Sourceforge hangs or crashes my system when I follow a
> sourcforge link using latest IE5.5. But it did with previous versions too.
> What a headache !#$ - I never know which pages are ok and which are not..
>
> For example:
> http://pybsddb.sourceforge.net/ = OK
>
> but clicking on the link to download "Source and Binary Releases"
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=13900
>
> hangs my systrem until I ctrl+alt+del to kill that IE window.
> Backup and launch NS. ok loads fine.
>
> Does anyone else experience this?
>
> ./Jason
> ___________________________________________________________
> Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']
>
>
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From laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu  Tue May 15 21:27:49 2001
From: laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu (Laurie Nason)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:27:49 -0500
Subject: [Zope] dtml-with question
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515092948.00a8f128@hogwarts>
Message-ID: <NFBBIFLELKMLLIEKAAOKMEGDCCAA.laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu>

Nope - doesn't sort the problem out. Maybe I didn't explain myself too well
on the first attempt. What I am trying to do in the code is to add a dtml
method in the folder of my choice - see code below....
I call the method below with a lookuptype which is the name of one of the
folders - it is then supposed to find the folder and create a new method in
that folder. Like I said before - the first piece of code works as it should
and creates my new method in the correct folder, but the second one doesn't
put the requested folder on the top of the namespace (or doesn't appear to)
it creates the new method in the lookups folder.

My folders look like:
lookups
	|-->strain
	|-->species
	|-->etc...


#1--------------------------------
	<dtml-with name="lookups">
		<dtml-with name="strain">
                 	<add dtml method here (this bit works!)>
		</dtml-with>
	</dtml-with>

#2--------------------------------
	<dtml-with name="lookups">
		<dtml-with name=lookuptype>
            	<add dtml method here (this bit works!)>
		</dtml-with>
	</dtml-with>

Any ideas..?
Laurie

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of David
Brown
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:33 AM
To: Laurie Nason; Zope
Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml-with question


The problem is that

>                 <dtml-with name=lookuptype>

isn't really what you want -- you're telling dtml-var that the name is
lookuptype, when what you really mean is that you want the value of
lookuptype.

It's probably more complex than this, but try:

<dtml-var expr="lookuptype">

The quotes are not controlling evaluation, like you think they are.  Inf
act, by the time it gets to the dtml-var evaluation code, Zope has no clue
whether or not you have quoted it or not.

dave




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From jwalcik@notwithstanding.org  Tue May 15 22:08:50 2001
From: jwalcik@notwithstanding.org (jacob walcik)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:08:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] Zope on MacOSX Server Seed Release 3
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105151606360.3373-100000@web.mylinuxisp.com>

sorry for the crosspost, but has anyone else out there tried to get zope
working on any of the seed releases of the new revision of macosx server?
if so, please contact me off list, i've hit a roadblock that i don't fully
understand...

--
jacob walcik
jwalcik@notwithstanding.org



From philippe.jadin@123piano.com  Tue May 15 19:17:04 2001
From: philippe.jadin@123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:17:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope Security
References: <vg3da6bsv9.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
Message-ID: <001101c0dd83$9f291d60$2689043e@r3g4p8>

> I am getting aggravation from our sysadmin, who is reluctant to poke holes
> in our new firewall for my Zope ports.  He claims he knows of no software

I don't see a relation with the fact that zope may be insecure (it seems to
be very secure) and the fact that it should be allowed a port to run on. If
someone tries to hack your zope, what is the influence on the rest of the
system? The sysadmin should open the port and not worry about the use you do
of it. Did I miss something? (I never had problem with a sysadmin though ;-)

Philippe



From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May 15 22:27:37 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:27:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [OT] sourceforge voodoo headaches
References: <NEBBIHDFELHAEMHJHFIEGEINCKAA.eric@walstads.net>
Message-ID: <012d01c0dd85$dd36f850$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

Works fine for me too on the same link.

IE5.5 version 5.50.4522.1800 on Win2000.

Tom P

[Eric Walstad]

> Hi Jason.  The link you included below works for me.
> I'm running IE5.50.4522.1800 on Win98
> Hope that helps,
> Eric.
> 
> >
> > but clicking on the link to download "Source and Binary Releases"
> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=13900
> >
> > hangs my systrem until I ctrl+alt+del to kill that IE window.
> > Backup and launch NS. ok loads fine.
> >




From norman@khine.net  Tue May 15 23:21:48 2001
From: norman@khine.net (Norman Khine)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:21:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Type Error when using ETailer
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOGEMHCCAA.norman@khine.net>

Hello,
I just installed the etailor e-commerce product, on to

Zope Version  	Zope 2.3.2b2 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86)
Python Version  	1.5.2 (#0, Jul 30 1999, 09:52:18) [MSC 32 bit (Intel)]
System Platform  	win32

Which is a Win2K

and got a type error when trying to use the mailhost ie to buy a product and
then send the request I got this Type Error.

I then set it up on to a FreeBSD4.2 machine, thinking it is to do with the
Win2K, which has

Zope Version  Zope 2.3.2b2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
Python Version  2.0 (#2, Jan 8 2001, 16:54:34) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024
(release)]
System Platform  freebsd4


Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
223, in publish_module
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
187, in publish
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221,
in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: CatalogAware)
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
171, in publish
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line
160, in mapply
    (Object: buy)
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
112, in call_object
    (Object: buy)
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/Etailer/Cart.py,
line 282, in buy
    (Object: Traversable)
  File
/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/Etailer/OrderManager.py,
line 115, in create_order
    (Object: RoleManager)
  File
/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
line 538, in __call__
    (Object: <string>)
  File
/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line
334, in eval
    (Object: style().postOrder(_.None,_))
    (Info: _)
  File <string>, line 0, in ?
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line
182, in __call__
    (Object: postOrder)
  File
/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
line 538, in __call__
    (Object: postOrder)
  File
/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/MailHost/SendMailTag.py,
line 189, in render
    (Object: MailHost)
  File
/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/MailHost/MailHost.py,
line 222, in send
    (Object: MailHost)
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/smtplib.py, line 473, in
sendmail
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/smtplib.py, line 355, in mail
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/smtplib.py, line 118, in
quoteaddr
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/rfc822.py, line 477, in
parseaddr
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/rfc822.py, line 522, in
getaddrlist
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/rfc822.py, line 530, in
getaddress
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/rfc822.py, line 510, in
gotonext
TypeError: len() of unsized object


What I think it is, is to do with the version of zope I am using, this is
because on version 3.2.1b1 this product works well.

Can someone please tell me if I am correct and how I may look to edit the
code so as it is compliant with this version of zope

Many thanks

Norman

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     /*/ /*/ /*/   \*\_   |*|   |*||*|     mailto:khine@khine.net
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From fog@mixadlive.com  Tue May 15 23:51:25 2001
From: fog@mixadlive.com (Federico Di Gregorio)
Date: 16 May 2001 00:51:25 +0200
Subject: [Paolo Comitini <pcm@mixadlive.com>] Fwd: [Zope] Postgresql Adaptors
Message-ID: <989967088.788.0.camel@lola>

i just wanted to inform you that psycopg correctly convert dates into
DateTime (mxDateTime to be exact) objects. it also has a modular
type-casting system that allow for user-defined casting objects. if
you're interested: http://initd.org/Software/psycopg/

ciao,
federico

----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
Subject: [Zope] Postgresql Adaptors
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:47:09 -0300
From: "Alex" <alex@quad.com.ar>
To: <zope@zope.org>

I'm migrating some code that uses ZMySQLDA to ZPoPY, and just figured out
that ZPoPY does not convert datetime fields to time objects when I select
them. Is there any pgsql adaptor for zope that does this convertion?
(zmysqlda does it) I thought all database adaptors had some kind of
standards, like data type conversion, but it doesn't look like this is the
case.

-- 
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MIXAD LIVE Chief of Research & Technology              fog@mixadlive.com
Debian GNU/Linux Developer & Italian Press Contact        fog@debian.org
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   fort qu'on en oublie ce qui nous rattache au monde... -- J. de Loctra



From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 16 01:00:37 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:00:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] How to test with isinstance ?
Message-ID: <20010516020037.A1353@nordine.ateur>

Hi,

I want to find if an object is an instance of OFS.DTMLDocument.DTMLDocument

How can I do that in an external method ?

It raises an error saying that OFS.DTMLDocument.DTMLDocument is not a class
when I try with isinstance()

I've searched isinstance on ZDP and Zope.org without luck except for 
an email message I haven't understood about extension classes.

please could someone help me ?

thanks in advance

Jerome Alet


From bill@libc.org  Wed May 16 02:00:44 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 15 May 2001 19:00:44 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Re: [OT:Humour] subject headings/clarification
In-Reply-To: <002d01c0dcc9$71027ea0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
References: <989606626.9772.0.camel@locutus><Pine.LNX.4.21.0105111253320.16199-100000@lo
 calhost.localdomain><20010511150910.B5016@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>
 <001901c0da5a$124e0a30$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
 <989641212.10476.0.camel@locutus>
 <002d01c0dcc9$71027ea0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <989974848.2386.1.camel@locutus>

This is intended as a humorous observation. Nothing more.

On 14 May 2001 15:58:48 -0700, Andy McKay wrote:
No I believe its a case of it aint broke dont fix it. You simply have not
> convinced me it its broken. Your arguments seem based more on the fact that
> everyone should change their email clients because they can. I disagree with
> wasted effort when it will provide no return. Breaking 5,000 peoples email
> clients rules to satisfy a few people has to be one of the worst idea yet.
> That sentiment does not sit well with me.

Wow, if we put the two exaggerations together, by combining this one
with the one that 99% of us don't use/want to use filters...
the Zope list has 500,000 subscribers :)

Look out everyone, here we come!!! :^)~

Bill

(notes: the original 99% was for 'the world', but as there was not
exception made for the somewhat technical userbase of Zope lists...the
99% remark was implied to be the same for the list;)








From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 16 02:09:34 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:09:34 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: [OT:Humour] subject headings/clarification
References: <989606626.9772.0.camel@locutus><Pine.LNX.4.21.0105111253320.16199-100000@localhost.localdomain><20010511150910.B5016@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu><001901c0da5a$124e0a30$ae03a8c0@activestate.com><989641212.10476.0.camel@locutus> <002d01c0dcc9$71027ea0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <989974848.2386.1.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <003201c0dda4$df819380$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> Wow, if we put the two exaggerations together, by combining this one
> with the one that 99% of us don't use/want to use filters...
> the Zope list has 500,000 subscribers :)
>
> Look out everyone, here we come!!! :^)~

And I thought the list was busy recently :)

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.



From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Wed May 16 02:17:35 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:17:35 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Permission question
Message-ID: <200105151817350770.01A0D614@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

When I try run the following DTML, Zope makes me log in.
Can someone set me straight about the permissions that I
need to change so that an anonymous user is able to run
this page? Thanks... (SeminarID() is a benign Python
Script, semnumber is a property string, and yes, I am
storing the stringified REQUEST.form dictionary in the
document file). Thanks.

<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-let semid="SeminarID(name)">
<dtml-with "_.getitem('R%s' % semnumber)">
<dtml-call "manage_addDocument(semid, '',
_.str(REQUEST.form))">
</dtml-with>

<h1>Registration successful: <dtml-var semid></h1>
</dtml-let>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>-

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From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May 16 02:28:02 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:28:02 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: Permission question
References: <200105151817350770.01A0D614@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <3B01D7A2.9E7F6141@digicool.com>

Hi Bruce,

The authentication is probably being required when the method tries to
do "manage_addDocument".  You either need to give the Anonymous User the
"Add Documents, Images, and Files" permission upon the folder on which
this DTML method operates as a method or within a folder somewhere
"above" the folder upon which this DTML method operates as a method  
(probably not a good idea) - OR - (better idea) give this DTML method
proxy roles (via the Proxy tab) which includes a role which has the
permission "Add Documents, Images, and Files" respective to the folder
upon which the method operates.

- C

Bruce Eckel wrote:
> 
> When I try run the following DTML, Zope makes me log in.
> Can someone set me straight about the permissions that I
> need to change so that an anonymous user is able to run
> this page? Thanks... (SeminarID() is a benign Python
> Script, semnumber is a property string, and yes, I am
> storing the stringified REQUEST.form dictionary in the
> document file). Thanks.
> 
> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> <dtml-let semid="SeminarID(name)">
> <dtml-with "_.getitem('R%s' % semnumber)">
> <dtml-call "manage_addDocument(semid, '',
> _.str(REQUEST.form))">
> </dtml-with>
> 
> <h1>Registration successful: <dtml-var semid></h1>
> </dtml-let>
> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>-
> 
> Most current information can be found at:
> http://www.mindview.net/Etc/notes.html
> ===================
> Bruce Eckel    http://www.BruceEckel.com
> Contains free electronic books: "Thinking in Java 2e" &
> "Thinking in C++ 2e"
> Please subscribe to my free newsletter -- just send any
> email to:
> join-eckel-oo-programming@earth.lyris.net
> My schedule can be found at:
> http://www.mindview.net/Calendar
> ===================


From kevinsl@yahoo.com  Wed May 16 02:50:42 2001
From: kevinsl@yahoo.com (Kevin L)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] question about PathHandler
Message-ID: <20010516015042.68754.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I have a PathHandler in my root. If I make it redirect to a DTML
method also in the root it works fine.

But I want the PathHandler to call a DTML method in a subfolder,
for example /folder1/subfolder1/index_html

Is this possible and if so what is the syntax for the Method
property of the PathHandler.

thanks a lot

-Kevin

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From dan@caliginous.com  Wed May 16 02:57:16 2001
From: dan@caliginous.com (Dan Jacobs)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:57:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope] dtml question - please somebody help me...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105160253420.5439-100000@mail.caliginous.com>

ok, I can't work out how to do this.

I want to call a zclass add form from dtml something like...

<dtml-call expr="capfiles.manage_addProduct(id='', title=title)">

now the class I created is called capella so the path to the form I want
is /manage_addProduct/capella/capellaClass_factory.

how do I do this? i've been trying to work it out for days :-(

please help.

thanks

Dan



From lalo@hackandroll.org  Wed May 16 03:03:08 2001
From: lalo@hackandroll.org (Lalo Martins)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:03:08 -0300
Subject: [Zope] Anyone ever used webdav.client?
Message-ID: <20010515230307.I20098@laranja.org>

I was looking for a Python-based webdav client library, and I
was surprised and delighted to find out I already have one!

Is there any documentation or example code on how to use this
module? ($SOFTWARE_HOME/lib/python/webdav/client.py)

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From bluepaul@bluepaul.com  Wed May 16 03:28:37 2001
From: bluepaul@bluepaul.com (David Hassalevris)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:28:37 -0700
Subject: [Zope] dtml question - please somebody help me...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105160253420.5439-100000@mail.caliginous.com>
Message-ID: <3B01E5D5.93CEF268@earthlink.net>

Dan,
This is worth a try:

<dtml-with "manage_addProduct['the meta type for your zclass']">
   <dtml-call "Your zClass_add(_.None,_)">
</dtml-with>
  
Hope this helps you along,
David

Dan Jacobs wrote:
> 
> ok, I can't work out how to do this.
> 
> I want to call a zclass add form from dtml something like...
> 
> <dtml-call expr="capfiles.manage_addProduct(id='', title=title)">
> 
> now the class I created is called capella so the path to the form I want
> is /manage_addProduct/capella/capellaClass_factory.
> 
> how do I do this? i've been trying to work it out for days :-(
> 
> please help.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Dan
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From wittern@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp  Wed May 16 03:28:50 2001
From: wittern@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Christian Wittern)
Date: 16 May 2001 11:28:50 +0900
Subject: [Zope] Problem with Automatic Cataloging Example in ZopeBook
Message-ID: <u7kzixc0t.fsf@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp>

Hi fellow Zopers,

I've been running in some problems with Cataloging and went to the
ZopeBook to see whats wrong.  
In trying to work through the examples in Chapter 9, Automatic
Cataloging, I found that with the latest and greatest Zope 2.3.2, the
Catalog fails to acquire and catalog the properties of my
NewsItem. Just to verify that I am not doing something very stupid
wrong, I went through the same exercise with an old Zope 2.2.1 I had
lying around.  No problem there, the Catalog looks as expected.  
Has anybody else run into this or a similar problem?  Is it a bug in
the ZOpeBook in ZOpe or in my (unplugged) brain?

Any help appreciated,

Chris 
-- 

 Institute for Research in Humanities, Kyoto University
 47 Higashiogura-cho, Kitashirakawa, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto 606-8265, JAPAN



From bluepaul@bluepaul.com  Wed May 16 03:43:01 2001
From: bluepaul@bluepaul.com (David Hassalevris)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:43:01 -0700
Subject: [Zope] dtml question - please somebody help me...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105160253420.5439-100000@mail.caliginous.com>
Message-ID: <3B01E935.D308F14@earthlink.net>

Dan,
Tried this?

http://www.zope.org/Members/tazzzzz/addZClasses

My last answer was not very clear,
David


Dan Jacobs wrote:
> 
> ok, I can't work out how to do this.
> 
> I want to call a zclass add form from dtml something like...
> 
> <dtml-call expr="capfiles.manage_addProduct(id='', title=title)">
> 
> now the class I created is called capella so the path to the form I want
> is /manage_addProduct/capella/capellaClass_factory.
> 
> how do I do this? i've been trying to work it out for days :-(
> 
> please help.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Dan
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From anthony@interlink.com.au  Wed May 16 03:46:38 2001
From: anthony@interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:46:38 +1000
Subject: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
Message-ID: <200105160246.MAA04171@mbuna.arbhome.com.au>

Don't suppose anyone's produced a nice convenient "pack a data.fs file"
script that's runnable from outside Zope?

Anthony


From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May 16 03:56:13 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:56:13 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Problem with Automatic Cataloging Example in ZopeBook
References: <u7kzixc0t.fsf@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <3B01EC4D.8B07BC4@digicool.com>

Hi Chris,

Hmmm... I haven't tried this, but I'm afraid I believe you.  :-( Are you
saying that anything that is a property of an instance of a ZClass is
not indexed in the catalog?  Does this happen with any particular type
of ZClass properties or only a certain kind?  What if you add a
PythonScript (with no parameters) to a ZClass as a method and make it
return a string?  Does that get indexed?  Would you be kind enough to
try to make that distinction and report back?  

- C


Christian Wittern wrote:
> 
> Hi fellow Zopers,
> 
> I've been running in some problems with Cataloging and went to the
> ZopeBook to see whats wrong.
> In trying to work through the examples in Chapter 9, Automatic
> Cataloging, I found that with the latest and greatest Zope 2.3.2, the
> Catalog fails to acquire and catalog the properties of my
> NewsItem. Just to verify that I am not doing something very stupid
> wrong, I went through the same exercise with an old Zope 2.2.1 I had
> lying around.  No problem there, the Catalog looks as expected.
> Has anybody else run into this or a similar problem?  Is it a bug in
> the ZOpeBook in ZOpe or in my (unplugged) brain?
> 
> Any help appreciated,
> 
> Chris
> --
> 
>  Institute for Research in Humanities, Kyoto University
>  47 Higashiogura-cho, Kitashirakawa, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto 606-8265, JAPAN
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May 16 04:01:46 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:01:46 -0400
Subject: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
References: <200105160246.MAA04171@mbuna.arbhome.com.au>
Message-ID: <3B01ED9A.C23063A2@digicool.com>

Here ya go, Anthony (untested, but I'm feeling confident tonight ;-):

from ZODB.DB import DB
from ZODB.FileStorage import FileStorage
s = FileStorage('Data.fs')
db = DB(s)
db.pack()
db.close()



Anthony Baxter wrote:
> 
> Don't suppose anyone's produced a nice convenient "pack a data.fs file"
> script that's runnable from outside Zope?
> 
> Anthony
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
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From Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au>  Wed May 16 04:00:06 2001
From: Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au> (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:00:06 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Re: packing a data.fs from outside zope?
In-Reply-To: Message from Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au>
 of "Wed, 16 May 2001 12:46:38 +1000."
Message-ID: <200105160300.NAA04205@mbuna.arbhome.com.au>

>>> Anthony Baxter wrote
> Don't suppose anyone's produced a nice convenient "pack a data.fs file"
> script that's runnable from outside Zope?

never mind. (here it is, for anyone interested)

import ZODB
from Persistence import Persistent
store = ZODB.FileStorage.FileStorage("Data.fs")
db = ZODB.DB(store)
db.pack()
print "done"


From tim@freepm.org  Wed May 16 05:34:39 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:34:39 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Problem with Automatic Cataloging Example in ZopeBook
References: <u7kzixc0t.fsf@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp> <3B01EC4D.8B07BC4@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B02035F.B16496E2@iswt.com>

Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Hmmm... I haven't tried this, but I'm afraid I believe you.  :-( Are you
> saying that anything that is a property of an instance of a ZClass is
> not indexed in the catalog?  Does this happen with any particular type
> of ZClass properties or only a certain kind?  What if you add a
> PythonScript (with no parameters) to a ZClass as a method and make it
> return a string?  

> > I've been running in some problems with Cataloging and went to the
> > ZopeBook to see whats wrong.
> > In trying to work through the examples in Chapter 9, Automatic
> > Cataloging, I found that with the latest and greatest Zope 2.3.2, the
> > Catalog fails to acquire and catalog the properties of my
> > NewsItem. Just to verify that I am not doing something very stupid
> > wrong, I went through the same exercise with an old Zope 2.2.1 I had
> > lying around.  No problem there, the Catalog looks as expected.
> > Has anybody else run into this or a similar problem?  Is it a bug in
> > the ZOpeBook in ZOpe or in my (unplugged) brain?
> >
> > Any help appreciated,

Chris & Christian,
Details are needed. I'll ask the obvious. Is your NewsItem
Catalogaware? If not, then is it failing with a manual update?   

I just (last 2-3 days) referred to 'The Book' about some
cataloging issues and found it to be very helpful.  I am indexing
ZClass properties too.  I have not used a Python Script to return
an item to index yet though. This is using 2.3.2 as well.


-- 
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From paz@chello.nl  Wed May 16 07:06:41 2001
From: paz@chello.nl (Paz)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:06:41 +0200
Subject: [Zope] SQLSession occasionally dying?
Message-ID: <NCBBJBDEPAMGPFGHJKIIAEPBCNAA.paz@chello.nl>

Greetings,

Since Zope-222, I have been using SQLSession for all sorts of things... I
really like using it because you can compile all sorts of user-site
interaction by the session id. But with my latest app, using Zope-232 and
PoPy201, I've noticed that once in a while, I get SESSION key errors
denoting that a key is not being accessed. I modified the sqlCreateSession
method to write the HTTP_REFERRER into every new session. I have noticed
here that when I get the key error, a new session is trying to be written
and the refferer field is filled with the last page that I access. But my
errors still come because I set session data once at the beginning that
needs not be added again.

My question is this: Is there something in either Zope232, SQLSession (umm..
030?) PoPy201, ZPoPY that would cause the session to get lost somehow? It
seems that all of a sudden, a new session has taken over, but how is this
possible?

This represents an instability that I cannot accept in the current site
development because it leaves users clueless as to what is happening, and
support calls get made when someone only needs to close the browser and
start a new session.... from the beginning.


Thanks in advance,
Paz



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May 16 09:10:46 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:10:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope Security
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105151244210.32512-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <015a01c0dddf$b7421260$5c773fc1@media1>

LOL

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Pelletier" <michel@digicool.com>

> I suggest you tell your administrator that he's right, and that in no way
> should you use Zope.  Use IIS instead.  It's much more secure, really.  Oh
> yeah, and he absolutly must install FrontPage 2000 for his security to be
> airtight.




From antwan@dexus.nl  Wed May 16 09:50:32 2001
From: antwan@dexus.nl (Antwan Reijnen)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:50:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Problem with Automatic Cataloging Example in
 ZopeBook
In-Reply-To: <u7kzixc0t.fsf@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010516105009.00dae970@pop.xs4all.nl>

Hi Chris,

I had the same problem, and I have the solution too. The book is not 
completely up to date. This evening, I'll post a message to elaborate.

See you, greetings, Antwan Reijnen.

At 11:28 AM 5/16/01 +0900, you wrote:
>Hi fellow Zopers,
>
>I've been running in some problems with Cataloging and went to the
>ZopeBook to see whats wrong.
>In trying to work through the examples in Chapter 9, Automatic
>Cataloging, I found that with the latest and greatest Zope 2.3.2, the
>Catalog fails to acquire and catalog the properties of my
>NewsItem. Just to verify that I am not doing something very stupid
>wrong, I went through the same exercise with an old Zope 2.2.1 I had
>lying around.  No problem there, the Catalog looks as expected.
>Has anybody else run into this or a similar problem?  Is it a bug in
>the ZOpeBook in ZOpe or in my (unplugged) brain?
>
>Any help appreciated,
>
>Chris
>--
>
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>  47 Higashiogura-cho, Kitashirakawa, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto 606-8265, JAPAN
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From s.morris@bangor.ac.uk  Wed May 16 10:17:59 2001
From: s.morris@bangor.ac.uk (Sion Morris)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:17:59 +0100
Subject: [Zope] dd/mm/yyyy date into MySQL
Message-ID: <v03110700b727f6003bed@[147.143.99.102]>

Hi,

What would be the best way to take a date in the format 'dd/mm/yyyy' from a
form and insert it into a date field in a MySQL table, which takes the format
yyyy/mm/dd?

I could have seperate fields for day, month and year and piece them
together before inserting them in the table. But, is it possible to take a
complete date, and change it format before inserting it in a MySQL table?
Having looked at the Zope Book nothing obvious jumped out.

Regards,

Sion

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Tel: 01248 382469
Fax: 01248 382599




From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 16 10:53:09 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:53:09 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.9
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516113818.4833C-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi,

I'm pleased to announce you the very latest ZShell version: 0.9

ZShell is an external Zope method which allows you to
manipulate the ZODB using standard unix shell's commands
from within Zope's Management Interface in your web browser.

It's a very powerful tool which can possibly destroy your
ZODB's contents when not used correctly: You've been warned.

You can download it from:

	http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

New features:
=============

- Commands grep, view, properties and manage added.
  WARNING: no security check is done on manage.
- Command replace was deleted since grep can do replace.
- Command google now opens a new window.
- If javascript is not activated then new windows
  are not opened but the user can follow links to
  the results in commands: google, view, properties
  and manage.
- Some minor fixes.
- Code simplifications.
- find was going one level too deep when --maxdepth
  was used.

You'll probably find the new grep command useful, considering that it can
search and also replace patterns in objects. You can use the full re
module regexp possibilities, both for the search and replace patterns. 

Currently grep is able to replace in objects content for objects
which are or inherits from: DTMLMethod, DTMLDocument, PythonScript,
provided you've got sufficient permissions.

But grep can also replace in any other object type properties with its
--properties option, again, if your current priviledges allow that. 

the meaning of a matching pattern can be reversed using the --invert
option: objects that doesn't contain the pattern match.

finally, the grep command may be used recursively with its --recurse
option.

Feel free to send any comment, bug report, or wish to me.

Thanks in advance.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 16 11:01:48 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:01:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope] question about PathHandler
References: <20010516015042.68754.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B02500C.700A22D8@nipltd.com>

Kevin L wrote:
> 
> But I want the PathHandler to call a DTML method in a subfolder,
> for example /folder1/subfolder1/index_html
> 
> Is this possible and if so what is the syntax for the Method
> property of the PathHandler.

Hmm, not currently, but if you change line 89 to:

return self.restrictedTraverse(self.Method)

and line line 101 to:

return self.restrictedTraverse(self.Method)(self,REQUEST)

...then you can use a path exactly as you have done above :-)

cheers,

Chris


From bz@bwanazulia.com  Wed May 16 11:08:23 2001
From: bz@bwanazulia.com (BZ)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 06:08:23 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Site Root, Virtual Host and logs?
In-Reply-To: <v03110700b727f6003bed@[147.143.99.102]>
References: <v03110700b727f6003bed@[147.143.99.102]>
Message-ID: <p05100c0cb72801840954@[10.0.1.34]>

I know this has come up a few times before but has anyone found a 
(working) solution to getting Zope to write out different logs for 
different site roots and virtual hosts? There was a snippet of code 
posted back in the archives but when I tried it it did not work.

I am using Zope 2.3.2 straight (no Apache).

Thanks,
BZ


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 16 11:15:35 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:15:35 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??
References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010516120348.00a64038@192.168.0.99>
Message-ID: <3B025347.22CBBF54@nipltd.com>

Hi Jawad,

> I am a newbie in zope and want to use it to develop a e-commerce order
> processing system using Zope.

There are a few of these already IIRC

> Please let me know What Database will be useful and please don't recommend MY
> SQL. It does not even support Foreign Key relationship. 

Wow, 'cos thats' so important to me! ;-)

You need to look at Zope more closely before you ask this question. Zope objects
are stored in the ZODB, an object database that forms part of Zope. However, you
can access external RDBMS such as MySQL and Oracle using Zope's excelent ZSQL
Method and Database Connection objects.

> I am also interested to know Is there any professionally developed sites in
> Zope/Python. Please let me know the URL.

There are too many to list here, but try http://www.cbsnewyork.com for a nice
high-profile one.

cheers,

Chris

PS: Points of etiquette:

1. Don't post in HTML to a list that expicitly asks you not to.

2. Post to the right list. Zope-dev is for the development of zope itself, you
wanted the zope@zope.org list, where I've CC'ed this.


From ivo@amaze.nl  Wed May 16 11:21:03 2001
From: ivo@amaze.nl (Ivo van der Wijk)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:21:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
Message-ID: <20010516122103.A5882@amaze.nl>

Hi All,

As someone pointed out on #zope, it is possible to view folder contents
using a webdav client as an anonymous user.

I.e. download cadaver (http://www.webdav.org/cadaver/), open 
yourzopeserver:8080 and do ls. Then decide if you want anyone to be 
able to access this. Eventhough hiding this information may be security
by obscurity, there are some things you just don't want everyone to see.

This allows you to see, for example, the installed products on the server.
A hacker might use this knowledge to exploit some known bug in a zope product
if one exists.

Most people (like me) probably think it's harmless to let old
objects, documents etc linger around as you can't view them in listings
through ftp or http. They don't realize webdav is running by default. Actually,
it can't even be disabled! (z2.py -X -w80 won't do the trick!)

Personally I'd rather see this secured. It's not possible to disable 
'view contents information' for anonymous users in zope, as this will ruin
your entire site (all anonymous access will then be disabled), so the solution
would be to create a new permission for access contents through webdav.

And that's what the following (trivial) patch does. 

After applying you'll get a new permission in your security tab, which 
is set to manager by default. To get the old behaviour back, just set the
permission back to anonymous.

Apply it using patch -p1 ../webdav.patch in your SOFTWARE_HOME (i.e. the 
Zope-2.3.2-src dir).

Or just edit lib/python/webdav/Resource.py by hand :)

I've tested it with Zope 2.3.2, I can't guarantee it will work with other
versions (use at your own risk anyway).

-- cut here --
*** Zope-2.3.2-orig/lib/python/webdav/Resource.py       Tue Mar 27 21:50:37 2001
--- Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/webdav/Resource.py        Mon May 14 19:16:46 2001
***************
*** 109,115 ****
  
      __ac_permissions__=(
          ('View',                             ('HEAD',)),
!         ('Access contents information',      ('PROPFIND',)),
          ('Manage properties',                ('PROPPATCH',)),
          ('Delete objects',                   ('DELETE',)),
      )
--- 109,115 ----
  
      __ac_permissions__=(
          ('View',                             ('HEAD',)),
!         ('Access contents information through WebDav',      ('PROPFIND',)),
          ('Manage properties',                ('PROPPATCH',)),
          ('Delete objects',                   ('DELETE',)),
      )
-- cut here --

Cheers,

	Ivo

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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 16 11:24:19 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:24:19 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope Security
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105151244210.32512-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3B025553.C659B451@nipltd.com>

Michel Pelletier wrote:
> 
> I suggest you tell your administrator that he's right, and that in no way
> should you use Zope.  Use IIS instead.  It's much more secure, really.  Oh
> yeah, and he absolutly must install FrontPage 2000 for his security to be
> airtight.

It must be, afterall, you have to pay for it ;-)

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 16 11:25:32 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:25:32 +0100
Subject: [Zope] HTML Mail
References: <OE28uNjVuMhvqgStMVh0000047a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B02559C.7022DB53@nipltd.com>

Anyone know how to get Netscape communicator to automatically delete mail posted
in HTML? 

*grinz*

Chris


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May 16 11:32:23 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:32:23 +0100
Subject: [Zope] HTML Mail
References: <OE28uNjVuMhvqgStMVh0000047a@hotmail.com> <3B02559C.7022DB53@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <023b01c0ddf3$7f1507d0$5c773fc1@media1>

That'd be nice, if you figure it out let me know ;)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "matt standish" <mps_@hotmail.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:25 AM
Subject: [Zope] HTML Mail


> Anyone know how to get Netscape communicator to automatically delete mail
posted
> in HTML?
>
> *grinz*
>
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 16 11:31:42 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:31:42 +0100
Subject: [Zope] HTML Mail
References: <OE28uNjVuMhvqgStMVh0000047a@hotmail.com> <3B02559C.7022DB53@nipltd.com> <023b01c0ddf3$7f1507d0$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <3B02570E.21AC9A03@nipltd.com>


Phil Harris wrote:
> 
> That'd be nice, if you figure it out let me know ;)

Hmmm... I have a feeling I can get our server-side mail filtering to do this :-)

Chris


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 16 11:35:51 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:35:51 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] HTML Mail
In-Reply-To: <3B02559C.7022DB53@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161434300.21430-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> Anyone know how to get Netscape communicator to automatically delete mail posted
> in HTML?

   Don't think it is possible. Use procmail. But the best thing would be to
ENFORCE the list's policy on the server - just filter out HTML emails on
mail.python.org.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May 16 11:42:32 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:42:32 +0100
Subject: [Zope] HTML Mail
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161434300.21430-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <024901c0ddf4$eab45760$5c773fc1@media1>

V Good suggestion.

Shall I start the petition or do you want to do it? ;)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Oleg Broytmann" <phd@phd.fep.ru>
To: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
Cc: "Zope Mailing List" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] HTML Mail


> On Wed, 16 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> > Anyone know how to get Netscape communicator to automatically delete
mail posted
> > in HTML?
>
>    Don't think it is possible. Use procmail. But the best thing would be
to
> ENFORCE the list's policy on the server - just filter out HTML emails on
> mail.python.org.
>
> Oleg.
> ----
>      Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
>            Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 16 11:48:30 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:48:30 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] HTML Mail
In-Reply-To: <024901c0ddf4$eab45760$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161443230.21430-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Phil Harris wrote:
> V Good suggestion.
> Shall I start the petition or do you want to do it? ;)

   I was longing to do it for quite some time! :) Whome should we contact?

> to
> > ENFORCE the list's policy on the server - just filter out HTML emails on
> > mail.python.org.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 16 11:51:20 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:51:20 +0100
Subject: [Zope] HTML Mail
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161443230.21430-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <3B025BA8.C504E823@nipltd.com>

Oleg Broytmann wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 16 May 2001, Phil Harris wrote:
> > V Good suggestion.
> > Shall I start the petition or do you want to do it? ;)
> 
>    I was longing to do it for quite some time! :) Whome should we contact?

It's in Ethan's court, maybe he could put a Poll up on zope.org?

Chris (now with a big shiny badge on saying 'ListCop' ;-)


From khine@bmpublications.co.uk  Wed May 16 12:01:57 2001
From: khine@bmpublications.co.uk (Norman Khine)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:01:57 +0100
Subject: [Zope] TypeError
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOAEIJCJAA.khine@bmpublications.co.uk>

Can someone please help me to figure out what's wrong, with this error
message

I have the following traceback

Zope Version  	Zope 2.3.2b2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
Python Version  	2.0 (#2, Jan 8 2001, 16:54:34) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024
(release)]
System Platform  	freebsd4

Site Error
An error was encountered while publishing this resource.

TypeError

Sorry, a site error occurred.

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
223, in publish_module
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
187, in publish
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221,
in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: CatalogAware)
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
171, in publish
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line
160, in mapply
    (Object: buy)
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line
112, in call_object
    (Object: buy)
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/Etailer/Cart.py,
line 282, in buy
    (Object: Traversable)
  File
/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/Etailer/OrderManager.py,
line 115, in create_order
    (Object: RoleManager)
  File
/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
line 538, in __call__
    (Object: <string>)
  File
/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line
334, in eval
    (Object: style().postOrder(_.None,_))
    (Info: _)
  File <string>, line 0, in ?
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line
182, in __call__
    (Object: postOrder)
  File
/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
line 538, in __call__
    (Object: postOrder)
  File
/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/MailHost/SendMailTag.py,
line 189, in render
    (Object: MailHost)
  File
/usr/home/khine/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/MailHost/MailHost.py,
line 222, in send
    (Object: MailHost)
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/smtplib.py, line 473, in
sendmail
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/smtplib.py, line 355, in mail
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/smtplib.py, line 118, in
quoteaddr
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/rfc822.py, line 477, in
parseaddr
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/rfc822.py, line 522, in
getaddrlist
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/rfc822.py, line 530, in
getaddress
  File /usr/home/khine/usr/local/lib/python2.0/rfc822.py, line 510, in
gotonext
TypeError: len() of unsized object


The application this is from is ETailer and I have checked against zope
3.2.0 which works correctly.

Thanks for all your help

Regards

Norman





From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 16 12:14:29 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:14:29 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot News
References: <93450000.989859404@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3B026115.2B00A671@nipltd.com>

ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
> 
> > (Does Zope 2.3.2+ ship with a fast XML parser? If so, what's it called
> > and where do I import it from?)
> 
> Look at how ZPT addresses the issue, chris... i know they did a lot of work
> in this area.

D'oh! Of course...

Thanks Ethan, I'll go ask there :-)

cheers,

Chris


From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May 16 12:26:30 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:26:30 +0800
Subject: [Zope] relaying denied
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOAEIJCJAA.khine@bmpublications.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMEEACEBAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

i keep on getting 'relaying denied'

{'fritz@femalenetwork.com': (550, '... Relaying denied')}

what do i ned to put into sendmail or is it in zope?

thanks.

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

Summit Interactive, Inc.
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From hannu@tm.ee  Wed May 16 12:50:19 2001
From: hannu@tm.ee (Hannu Krosing)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:50:19 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.9
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516113818.4833C-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <3B02697B.43E472DA@tm.ee>

Jerome Alet wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm pleased to announce you the very latest ZShell version: 0.9
> 

I hate to bring it up, but after reading the comments on jaxml page 
it seems that using it forces whole Zope to use GPL ;(

I'm sure this is not the intention but some sort of explanation could 
clarify it .

BTW, is this the reason why calling the method is "DISABLED UNTIL 
FURTHER INVESTIGATION" ?

-------------------
Hannu


From tim@freepm.org  Wed May 16 12:43:24 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 06:43:24 -0500
Subject: [Zope] dd/mm/yyyy date into MySQL
References: <v03110700b727f6003bed@[147.143.99.102]>
Message-ID: <3B0267DB.E88C8F56@iswt.com>

Sion Morris wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> What would be the best way to take a date in the format 'dd/mm/yyyy' from a
> form and insert it into a date field in a MySQL table, which takes the format
> yyyy/mm/dd?
> 
> I could have seperate fields for day, month and year and piece them
> together before inserting them in the table. But, is it possible to take a
> complete date, and change it format before inserting it in a MySQL table?

<dtml-var expr="my_date_object.strftime('%Y/%m/%d')">

HTH,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 16 13:09:11 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:09:11 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.9
In-Reply-To: <3B02697B.43E472DA@tm.ee>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516134544.6652A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Hannu Krosing wrote:

> Jerome Alet wrote:
> > I'm pleased to announce you the very latest ZShell version: 0.9
> 
> I hate to bring it up, but after reading the comments on jaxml page 
> it seems that using it forces whole Zope to use GPL ;(

Of course that's not my intentions, see below.

> I'm sure this is not the intention but some sort of explanation could 
> clarify it .

Here are my views, which may be (read: are) different from that of the
Free Software Foundation:

	My own code is GPLed, so if you plan to use it in your own code,
then your code must be GPLed too, that's the GPL, and everyone either have
to agree or not use the code. 

	However I don't consider installing my code inside a Zope
installation is using it from your own code, or from Zope's code, so both
your code and Zope's one retain their existing license: You install my
GPLed external method inside Zope and use it from its "Test" tab, it's OK
for me, and IMHO you're OK with regard to the GPL because I consider it
just like if you run a GPLed program under a "proprietary" operating
system:  it's perfectly allowed since the GPL doesn't restrict the running
of the code in any way, provided you distribute MY software with all its
sources and the attached COPYING file.

	The second reason why Zope should'nt fall under the GPL when you
use this software is because Zope itself doesn't need any line of my code
to run, yet ;-)

	But if in your own code, or in Zope's core (dream, dream, dream),
you put something like:
 
	<dtml-var "zshell(...)">

	then you're using my GPLed code in your own code, so your code
falls under the GPL.

I suspect the FSF disagrees entirely with my opinion, and IMHO this is a
complete misunderstanding of what Zope is, but I decide how it applies
since I've written this code. 

> BTW, is this the reason why calling the method is "DISABLED UNTIL 
> FURTHER INVESTIGATION" ?

Ho, no ! I'm sorry but not being a native english speaker may cause
problems when you try to write english and be understood. I'm really
sorry.

What is disabled is calling the zshell method from another method, like:

	<dtml-var "zshell(zshellscript=....)">

but it's only because of a bug: the code is commented out at the end of
zshell.py because it seems it caused many users problems when running
zshell: it didn't work at all. I haven't experienced any such problem
myself, but under popular pressions I've disabled this code just, with # 
signs ;-) If you plan to uncomment it and send a patch you're perfectly
welcome.

Again, I'm so sorry about all this confusion, and I'll include this text
in the next release in order to clarify my views and intentions once and
for all. 

bye,

Jerome Alet



From dan@caliginous.com  Wed May 16 13:11:22 2001
From: dan@caliginous.com (Dan Jacobs)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:11:22 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope] dtml question - please somebody help me...
In-Reply-To: <3B01E935.D308F14@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105161311140.4484-100000@mail.caliginous.com>

thanks, i've got it working now!


On Tue, 15 May 2001, David Hassalevris wrote:

> Dan,
> Tried this?
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/tazzzzz/addZClasses
> 
> My last answer was not very clear,
> David
> 
> 
> Dan Jacobs wrote:
> > 
> > ok, I can't work out how to do this.
> > 
> > I want to call a zclass add form from dtml something like...
> > 
> > <dtml-call expr="capfiles.manage_addProduct(id='', title=title)">
> > 
> > now the class I created is called capella so the path to the form I want
> > is /manage_addProduct/capella/capellaClass_factory.
> > 
> > how do I do this? i've been trying to work it out for days :-(
> > 
> > please help.
> > 
> > thanks
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Wed May 16 13:22:11 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:22:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Testing if a string isn't empty
Message-ID: <01051614221104.02182@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I am trying to make some dtml code that tests if a string contains text 
(because if the string is empty it must be set to contain 'Clipname').

Right now the code looks like this:
<dtml-if expr="mc_name == ''">
  <dtml-let mc_name="'Clipname'">
   <dtml-call sqlAddClip>
  </dtml-let>
</dtml-if>

How do you do it - because the above doesn't work.

Regards,
-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From hannu@tm.ee  Wed May 16 13:32:13 2001
From: hannu@tm.ee (Hannu Krosing)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:32:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.9
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516134544.6652A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <3B02734D.E3C413CC@tm.ee>

Jerome Alet wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 16 May 2001, Hannu Krosing wrote:
> 
> > Jerome Alet wrote:
> > > I'm pleased to announce you the very latest ZShell version: 0.9
> >
> > I hate to bring it up, but after reading the comments on jaxml page
> > it seems that using it forces whole Zope to use GPL ;(
> 
> Of course that's not my intentions, see below.
> 
> > I'm sure this is not the intention but some sort of explanation could
> > clarify it .
> 
> Here are my views, which may be (read: are) different from that of the
> Free Software Foundation:

In this case I'm sure it is your views that matter as you are licensing
the
code

Thanks for clarification!

>         My own code is GPLed, so if you plan to use it in your own code,
> then your code must be GPLed too, that's the GPL, and everyone either have
> to agree or not use the code.

Fair enough
 
..

> > BTW, is this the reason why calling the method is "DISABLED UNTIL
> > FURTHER INVESTIGATION" ?
> 
> Ho, no ! I'm sorry but not being a native english speaker may cause
> problems when you try to write english and be understood. I'm really
> sorry.
> 
> What is disabled is calling the zshell method from another method, like:
> 
>         <dtml-var "zshell(zshellscript=....)">

That's exactly how I did understand this, but it may because I'm not 
a native speaker either ;)
 
---------
Hannu


From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 16 13:26:58 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:26:58 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.9
In-Reply-To: <20010516135821.A16789@mediasupervision.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516141004.6652B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

With your permission I CC this message to the list:

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Gregor Hoffleit wrote:

> I think Hannu has some point here (even if he doesn't completely understand
> the situation ;-):

I agree, and I'm sorry that my intentions have been misunderstood, you
should be able to read my explanations in zope@zope.org in a few minutes.

> According to http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html, the ZPL is
> incompatible with the GPL. I.e. if I license your zshell and jaxml stuff
> according to the terms of the GPL, you don't give me permission to link the
> stuff with ZPL stuff--at least in the interpretation of the FSF, which seems
> to consider even running scripts as a special kind of linking...

IMHO this is an error from the FSF, and being a fanatic GPL defenser like
I am, it's hard for me to write this. 

I repeat my point here:

	you can download any GPLed software sources, compile it with a
proprietary compiler, use it under a proprietary operating system, and all
is allowed, except that if you redistribute the software even along with
the compiler and operating system, the software's license must be GPL,
while the compiler's and operating system's ones remain "proprietary"
because the software isn't in any way a part of either the compiler or the
operating system in itself.

	Then, following this (my) reasoning, you can download my GPLed
code and install it to run it from Zope without any restriction, provided
you redistribute my code under the GPL and you don't use parts of my code
from your own code: just click on the "Test" tab for my external method
and it's ok for me (and probably not for the FSF): my code isn't any part
of either Zope's code nor your own software's code. 
  
	But if you copy parts of my code to include it in your own code or
inside Zope's core, then the GPL applies.

> I.e. with the current license terms of jaxml and zshell, I can't be sure
> that you won't sue me for using this stuff with Zope.

I understand your point, but what would be the reason to publish GPLed
code if nobody can use it ? Of course you're welcome to use it with Zope !

> In order to work around this problem, you could add a special exception
> clause to the licenses, something that explicitely allows linking with Zope.

Yes, that's a good idea and I'll add something like this.
  
> I was informed that DC is thinking about changing to Zope license to
> something that's compatible with the GPL. Perhaps you could help me lobbying
> them that this is indeed necessary and important.

No problem: 

	Hey DC Folks ! Just do it ! Please GPL Zope right now !

IMHO, GPLing Zope shouldn't force anyone to release its code under the
GPL: after all, compiling a proprietary software with a GPLed compiler
(gcc) is perfectly allowed, so why should this be different with Zope ?

;-)

bye,

Jerome Alet



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May 16 13:32:42 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:32:42 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Testing if a string isn't empty
References: <01051614221104.02182@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <02a301c0de04$4e69b5c0$5c773fc1@media1>

My first take would be something like (untested):

<dtml-unless mc_name>
  <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('mc_name','Clipname')">
</dtml-unless>

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte@mmmanager.org>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:22 PM
Subject: [Zope] Testing if a string isn't empty


> Hello,
> 
> I am trying to make some dtml code that tests if a string contains text 
> (because if the string is empty it must be set to contain 'Clipname').
> 
> Right now the code looks like this:
> <dtml-if expr="mc_name == ''">
>   <dtml-let mc_name="'Clipname'">
>    <dtml-call sqlAddClip>
>   </dtml-let>
> </dtml-if>
> 
> How do you do it - because the above doesn't work.
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> ************************
> Gitte Wange Jensen
> 
> System Squid Developer
> MMManager Aps
> +45 29 72 79 72
> 
> gitte@mmmanager.org
> ************************
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 16 13:33:14 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:33:14 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.9
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516141004.6652B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516143205.6652D-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Sorry, I've written:

> IMHO, GPLing Zope shouldn't force anyone to release its code under the

and I was meaning:

IMHO, GPLing Zope shouldn't force anyone to release his own code under the

> GPL: after all, compiling a proprietary software with a GPLed compiler
> (gcc) is perfectly allowed, so why should this be different with Zope ?

Sorry again,

Jerome Alet



From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May 16 13:42:37 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:42:37 +0800
Subject: [Zope] relaying denied
In-Reply-To: <01051614352603.01446@tiburon.i.contrada.de>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMCEAMEBAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

oh okay.

so i have to find a way to configure our sendmail server. i'm glad it's not
zope related anymore. :)

thanks.


Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

Summit Interactive, Inc.
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femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Uwe C. Schroeder [mailto:Uwe.Schroeder@contrada.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:35 PM
> To: Fritz Mesedilla; Zope Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Zope] relaying denied
>
>
> On Wednesday 16 May 2001 13:26, Fritz Mesedilla wrote:
> This is not a zope problem. You are using a foreign mailserver.
> Relaying is if you send a mail from a to b via a mailserver c
> where a, b, c are different domains.
> In my case:
> 	I have the domain contrada.de
> 	My provider has dtag.de
> 	my receipient is in oss4u.com
>
> if the mailserver for dtag.de doesn't know me as local (can be
> configured)
> whenever I try to send a mail that way I'll get relaying denied
> (or "We do
> not relay"). The only way is to use the right mailserver for your
> domain, or
> to have the admin of the mailserver configure the mail transfer agent to
> recognize your (sender domain) as valid.
> This behaviour is ok, since that's the way spam mail is sent.
>
>
> > i keep on getting 'relaying denied'
> >
> > {'fritz@femalenetwork.com': (550, '... Relaying denied')}
> >
> > what do i ned to put into sendmail or is it in zope?
> >
> > thanks.
> >
> > Fritz Mesedilla
> > Systems Administrator
> >
> > Summit Interactive, Inc.
> > FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> > femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
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> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
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From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Wed May 16 13:55:56 2001
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (Dario Lopez-Kästen)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:55:56 +0200
Subject: [Zope] HTML Mail
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161434300.21430-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <00ef01c0de07$8c7c5630$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>

here's a procmail entry that seems to work.



# HTML based mail
:0:
*Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
__HTML_MAIL


replace __HTML_MAIL with /dev/null at will.

/dario

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Oleg Broytmann" <phd@phd.fep.ru>
To: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
Cc: "Zope Mailing List" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] HTML Mail


> On Wed, 16 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> > Anyone know how to get Netscape communicator to automatically delete =
mail posted
> > in HTML?
>=20
>    Don't think it is possible. Use procmail. But the best thing would =
be to
> ENFORCE the list's policy on the server - just filter out HTML emails =
on
> mail.python.org.
>=20
> Oleg.
> ----
>      Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     =
phd@phd.pp.ru
>            Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
>=20




From drees@the-bridge.net  Wed May 16 13:58:06 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:58:06 -0500
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.9
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516141004.6652B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLOEOCCIAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> 	Hey DC Folks ! Just do it ! Please GPL Zope right now !
> 
> IMHO, GPLing Zope shouldn't force anyone to release its code under the
> GPL: after all, compiling a proprietary software with a GPLed compiler
> (gcc) is perfectly allowed, so why should this be different with Zope ?

Everybody duck, here comes the liscence wars.


From gitte@babytux.dk  Wed May 16 13:47:07 2001
From: gitte@babytux.dk (Gitte Wange)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:47:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Testing if a string isn't empty
In-Reply-To: <02a301c0de04$4e69b5c0$5c773fc1@media1>
References: <01051614221104.02182@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <02a301c0de04$4e69b5c0$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <01051614470700.03289@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Wednesday 16 May 2001 14:32, Phil Harris wrote:
> My first take would be something like (untested):
>
> <dtml-unless mc_name>
>   <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('mc_name','Clipname')">
> </dtml-unless>
>
> Phil

It works !!
Thanx :-)

Gitte

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:22 PM
> Subject: [Zope] Testing if a string isn't empty
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am trying to make some dtml code that tests if a string contains text
> > (because if the string is empty it must be set to contain 'Clipname').
> >
> > Right now the code looks like this:
> > <dtml-if expr="mc_name == ''">
> >   <dtml-let mc_name="'Clipname'">
> >    <dtml-call sqlAddClip>
> >   </dtml-let>
> > </dtml-if>
> >
> > How do you do it - because the above doesn't work.
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > ************************
> > Gitte Wange Jensen
> >
> > System Squid Developer
> > MMManager Aps
> > +45 29 72 79 72
> >
> > gitte@mmmanager.org
> > ************************
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>
> _______________________________________________
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> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 16 14:05:15 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:05:15 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.9
In-Reply-To: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLOEOCCIAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516150132.7126A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Steve Drees wrote:

> > 	Hey DC Folks ! Just do it ! Please GPL Zope right now !
> > 
> > IMHO, GPLing Zope shouldn't force anyone to release its code under the
> > GPL: after all, compiling a proprietary software with a GPLed compiler
> > (gcc) is perfectly allowed, so why should this be different with Zope ?
> 
> Everybody duck, here comes the liscence wars.

This is exactly contrary to my intentions, so if anyone wants to discuss
further this issue with me then I suggest to send email privately, not on
the list.

Thanks in advance.

bye,

Jerome Alet



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Wed May 16 14:08:39 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:08:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] dd/mm/yyyy date into MySQL
In-Reply-To: <3B0267DB.E88C8F56@iswt.com>
References: <v03110700b727f6003bed@[147.143.99.102]> <3B0267DB.E88C8F56@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <01051615083902.03289@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Wednesday 16 May 2001 13:43, Tim Cook wrote:
> Sion Morris wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > What would be the best way to take a date in the format 'dd/mm/yyyy' from
> > a form and insert it into a date field in a MySQL table, which takes the
> > format yyyy/mm/dd?
> >
> > I could have seperate fields for day, month and year and piece them
> > together before inserting them in the table. But, is it possible to take
> > a complete date, and change it format before inserting it in a MySQL
> > table?
>
> <dtml-var expr="my_date_object.strftime('%Y/%m/%d')">
>
> HTH,

Can you do this in a REQUEST.set or something ?
Because you need to change the content of the variable before inserting it 
into a database ...

Gitte


From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Wed May 16 14:28:16 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 06:28:16 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Cron & Receiving email
Message-ID: <200105160628160260.003D8B76@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

1) Is there a cron-like tool in Zope? Or a way to have cron
run a process in Zope?

2) Under Linux/Sendmail, can I have the above Zope process
"receive" mail sent to a particular address? (Note that my
ignorance of how mail works could fill volumes).

Thanks...



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From aschmidt@nv.cc.va.us  Wed May 16 14:24:22 2001
From: aschmidt@nv.cc.va.us (Schmidt, Allen J.)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:24:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Testing if a string isn't empty
Message-ID: <5CDFEBB60E7FD311B9E30000F6D6090688C055@novamail.nvcc.vccs.edu>

I have a similar need...with a twist. I was going to just wrap the whole
thing in a dtml-try block but thought I would ask.

I have a folder of images called 'images'.
I have a database field called LOGO and a form field called LOGO in an
update form that is loaded with values retrieved from the DB. 

When submitting the form, in my ZSQL method, I check to see if there is an
image name (text) in the DB field LOGO. If there is, see if it matches an
image object with the same name in the 'images' folder.
If it matches, and there is a NEW image (selected from the file system with
a 'type=file') that needs to replace the image object of the name in the
LOGO form field.

If there is a value in the LOGO database field, but no image object exists
with that name, then use the selected image filename chosen to create a new
image object with that name as the object ID.

Thanks

Allen

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Harris [mailto:phil.harris@zope.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:33 AM
To: Gitte Wange; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Testing if a string isn't empty


My first take would be something like (untested):

<dtml-unless mc_name>
  <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('mc_name','Clipname')">
</dtml-unless>

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte@mmmanager.org>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:22 PM
Subject: [Zope] Testing if a string isn't empty


> Hello,
> 
> I am trying to make some dtml code that tests if a string contains text 
> (because if the string is empty it must be set to contain 'Clipname').
> 
> Right now the code looks like this:
> <dtml-if expr="mc_name == ''">
>   <dtml-let mc_name="'Clipname'">
>    <dtml-call sqlAddClip>
>   </dtml-let>
> </dtml-if>
> 
> How do you do it - because the above doesn't work.
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> ************************
> Gitte Wange Jensen
> 
> System Squid Developer
> MMManager Aps
> +45 29 72 79 72
> 
> gitte@mmmanager.org
> ************************
> 
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From davelehman@loewen.com  Wed May 16 14:26:52 2001
From: davelehman@loewen.com (davelehman@loewen.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:26:52 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Newbie Q: Zope Best Practices
Message-ID: <OF284EBBCF.33B3B266-ON86256A4E.0049CD7E@loewen.com>

I wish to humbly solicit some advice from some seasoned Zope
developers:

After reading most of the Zope documentation I could find, I'm
creating an intranet application as my first Zope websites. I'm
trying to make a news page that would be suitable (read "simple
enough") for a non-techy to maintain. So a "news admin" would be able
to add/edit/remove news stories. And a summary of all current news
stories would show up on the main "news" page. Each summary would
have a title, abstract and a link to the full news story page.

OK, so anticipating that we would like to archive the news stories
and make them searchable, and that there will be quite a few of them
(several a day), what would be the best way to implement this? Here
are the ways i've though of, some of which i've tried implementing to
some extent:

1. Create a "NewsStory" ZClass. The newsadmin can login to the Zope
management interface and select "News Story" from the add list. Each
news story creates a separate object in the "news" folder. This works
OK initially, but after a while, there would be tons of items in this
folder which would be a little unwieldly to manage. Also, it seems
using a ZClass for anything is sneered at by seasoned developers?

2. Store all stories in an RDBMS. I mocked this up using ZGadfly, and
I suppose it would be almost as easy to hook up to MySQL instead.
Would this be the "right" way to do it, or is it better to store the
stuff right in your ZODB instead?

3. Store the stories as objects in the ZODB-- not quite sure what i'm
talking about on this one yet, but SquishDot does something like
this, and i've been reading through the squishdot source trying to
figure it out. Is this substantially the same, or different than (1)?

I know i'm a complete newbie on this one-- would anyone care to offer
some advice on how to proceed?

Regards,
Dave



From Thierry.NABETH@insead.fr  Wed May 16 14:31:48 2001
From: Thierry.NABETH@insead.fr (NABETH Thierry)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:31:48 +0200
Subject: [Work-around] (was Re: [Zope] Will the inheritance relationsh
 ip will be preserved after export/import?)
Message-ID: <C374E6A0E25BD41197FB00508B014A1301FE1DA4@FW-ZEUS>

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Hello Iap,

>> This external method helps a zclass to change
the old reference of its base class (an instance of ZClass)
to the new one  in "new" ZODB.

Thank you very much.
I will try it when I will have a little bit of time.
(and in particular profit to update to the version of Zope
in which you can define DTML-python methods).

>> "Zclasses are not robust solutions they mostly seem designed for trivial
solutions by largely non programmers."

If we except this BUG and difficulty with DTML Zope to change the
inheritance
hierarchy, and given that now you can define Python method directly from
with the Zope environment, Zope could have been a very good (flexible)
environment
to design complex applications.
I personaly believe that there should exist some way to have very flexible
environments to design complex application. Zope has provided us with a very
interesting approach (in particular how to combine object orientation and
persistance in a system in a very straighforeward way), but not yet enough
unfortunatly :-).

Thanks again for your suggestion.

Thierry

Thierry Nabeth
Research Fellow,
INSEAD CALT (The Centre for Advanced Learning Technologies)
http://www.insead.edu/CALT/


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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Hello Iap,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;&gt; This external method helps a zclass to change</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the old reference of its base class (an instance of ZClass)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to the new one&nbsp; in &quot;new&quot; ZODB.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thank you very much.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I will try it when I will have a little bit of time.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>(and in particular profit to update to the version of Zope</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>in which you can define DTML-python methods).</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;&gt; &quot;Zclasses are not robust solutions they mostly seem designed for trivial</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>solutions by largely non programmers.&quot;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>If we except this BUG and difficulty with DTML Zope to change the inheritance</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>hierarchy, and given that now you can define Python method directly from</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>with the Zope environment, Zope could have been a very good (flexible) environment</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to design complex applications.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I personaly believe that there should exist some way to have very flexible</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>environments to design complex application. Zope has provided us with a very</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>interesting approach (in particular how to combine object orientation and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>persistance in a system in a very straighforeward way), but not yet enough unfortunatly :-).</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks again for your suggestion.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thierry</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thierry Nabeth</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Research Fellow,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>INSEAD CALT (The Centre for Advanced Learning Technologies)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2><A HREF="http://www.insead.edu/CALT/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.insead.edu/CALT/</A></FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>PS:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I apologize with this mime attachement, but it happens even when I use</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;plain text as a format. I have not found anyway to fix this in Outlook.</FONT>
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 16 14:34:55 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:34:55 +0100
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.9
References: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLOEOCCIAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <3B0281FF.419CEB55@nipltd.com>

Steve Drees wrote:
> 
> >       Hey DC Folks ! Just do it ! Please GPL Zope right now !
> >
> > IMHO, GPLing Zope shouldn't force anyone to release its code under the
> > GPL: after all, compiling a proprietary software with a GPLed compiler
> > (gcc) is perfectly allowed, so why should this be different with Zope ?
> 
> Everybody duck, here comes the liscence wars.

And Richard Stallman is still an arse ;-)

Chris


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 16 14:35:45 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:35:45 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.9
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516141004.6652B-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161734080.24914-100000@phd.fep.ru>

Hi!

   Jerome, whatever other say - I support you! I am proponent of FSF
philosophy and GPL license!

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 16 14:34:03 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:34:03 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] HTML Mail
In-Reply-To: <00ef01c0de07$8c7c5630$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161732460.24914-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote:
> here's a procmail entry that seems to work.
>
> # HTML based mail
> :0:
> *Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> __HTML_MAIL
>
> replace __HTML_MAIL with /dev/null at will.

   It is a bit impolite just drop messages from novice users. I'd recommens
to send them polite reply with FAQ on our policies. procmail+formail are
great to do this kind of job.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 16 14:38:35 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:38:35 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Cron & Receiving email
In-Reply-To: <200105160628160260.003D8B76@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161736410.24914-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Bruce Eckel wrote:
> 1) Is there a cron-like tool in Zope? Or a way to have cron
> run a process in Zope?

   Xron. Or external process(es) that touch Zope by HTTP or XML-RPC.
Example: http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/cron-zope/

> 2) Under Linux/Sendmail, can I have the above Zope process
> "receive" mail sent to a particular address? (Note that my
> ignorance of how mail works could fill volumes).

   ZMailIn (+ perhaps sendmail config, procmail etc)

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 16 14:38:23 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:38:23 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Newbie Q: Zope Best Practices
References: <OF284EBBCF.33B3B266-ON86256A4E.0049CD7E@loewen.com>
Message-ID: <3B0282CF.5E5112D8@nipltd.com>

davelehman@loewen.com wrote:
> 
> 3. Store the stories as objects in the ZODB-- not quite sure what i'm
> talking about on this one yet, but SquishDot does something like
> this, and i've been reading through the squishdot source trying to
> figure it out. Is this substantially the same, or different than (1)?

I'd suggest 4:

4. Just use Squishdot, and customise the presentation so it shows things how you
want it to.
Apart from that, it does exactly what you want already :-) 

cheers,

Chris


From maxm@normik.dk  Wed May 16 14:48:14 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:48:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie Q: Zope Best Practices
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D00@exchange>

> From: davelehman@loewen.com [mailto:davelehman@loewen.com]

> 3. Store the stories as objects in the ZODB-- not quite sure what i'm
> talking about on this one yet, but SquishDot does something like
> this, and i've been reading through the squishdot source trying to
> figure it out. Is this substantially the same, or different than (1)?

If you have a site that is heavy transactional with many writes pr. second
like a shopping site, or you have a big catalogue with lots and lots of
rows, or you have data in an ordinary dbms that you need to use for
historical reasons, or because of company policy or whatever. Then you
should use an ordinary rdbms.

If you want to publish content on the web you should just juse ZODB. Far
less hazle, and you can integrate the two approaches later where you have
some parts of your data in the ZODB and other parts in an RDBMS.

Regards Max M


From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May 16 14:58:32 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:58:32 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: Cron & Receiving email
References: <200105160628160260.003D8B76@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <007901c0de10$4d8356f0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

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> 1) Is there a cron-like tool in Zope? Or a way to have cron
> run a process in Zope?

Zope is completely event-driven, so there's no scheduler built in to it.

There's a product named Xron which provides cron-like functionality within
Zope (I've not used it).

You can also use a Python script (a real one, on disk, having nothing to do
with Zope) that calls a Zope method via HTTP or XML-RPC.  Attached is a
module named XMLRPCBasicAuth.py, which you can use like this:

>>> import XMLRPCBasicAuth
>>> s = XMLRPCBasicAuth.Server('http://www.zope.org','chrism', 'mypassword')
>>> s.Members.chrism.manage_addDocument('foo', 'bar', 'some text')

Note that the library named "xmlrpclib" needs to be somewhere in your
PYTHONPATH (read the source of the XMLRPCBasicAuth.py file to see how to put
it in).  Also, you'll likely see things like "ProtocolErrors" and HTML being
returned from XMLRPC method calls.  You'll need to experiment with what you
want to to (e.g. use the XMLRPCBasicAuth module to call methods from a
Python prompt, and then take a look at the running Zope via the Zope web
mgmt interface after you've made a call to see if the call has succeeded,
and its results), but for the most part, you can just call methods on Zope
objects like you would if you were at a Python prompt, the two notable
exceptions being:

1.  You can't pass keyword arguments.
2.  XMLRPC can only marshal certain types, and object instances aren't one
of them.

Combining a Python program that uses XMLRPC with UNIX cron (or WinNT
Scheduler service) allows you to kick off events at scheduled times.

>
> 2) Under Linux/Sendmail, can I have the above Zope process
> "receive" mail sent to a particular address? (Note that my
> ignorance of how mail works could fill volumes).

Not really.  If you can expland on what you'd like to accomplish by doing
this, maybe I can help a little better.

- C


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import sys

# change this line to point to somewhere where xmlrpclib can be
# imported from!
sys.path.insert(0, '/home/chrism/sandboxes/2_3Branch/lib/python')
import xmlrpclib
import base64
import string

def Server(url, username, password):
    t = BasicAuthTransport(username, password)
    return xmlrpclib.Server(url, t)

class BasicAuthTransport(xmlrpclib.Transport):
    """Handles an HTTP transaction to an XML-RPC server with basicauth """
    
    def __init__(self, username, password):
        self.username = username
        self.password = password

    def request(self, host, handler, request_body):
        # issue XML-RPC request

        username = self.username
        password = self.password
        
        import httplib
        h = httplib.HTTP(host)
        h.putrequest("POST", handler)

        # required by HTTP/1.1
        h.putheader("Host", host)

        # required by XML-RPC
        h.putheader("User-Agent", self.user_agent)
        h.putheader("Content-Type", "text/xml")
        h.putheader("Content-Length", str(len(request_body)))

        # basic auth
        if username and password:
            h.putheader("AUTHORIZATION", "Basic %s" % string.replace(
                base64.encodestring("%s:%s" % (username, password)),
                "\012", ""))

        h.endheaders()
        
        if request_body:
            h.send(request_body)

        errcode, errmsg, headers = h.getreply()

        if errcode != 200:
            raise ProtocolError(
                host + handler,
                errcode, errmsg,
                headers
                )

        return self.parse_response(h.getfile())


def test():
    s = Server('http://serenade.digicool.com:8083/', 'user1', 'mypass')
    print s.testmethod()

if __name__ == '__main__':
    test()

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From tpassin@mitretek.org  Wed May 16 15:30:23 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:30:23 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Testing if a string isn't empty
References: <01051614221104.02182@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <004c01c0de14$be5c0df0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

<dtml-let st="''"> <!--create an empty string - "-'-'-" -->
   <dtml-if "not st"><!-- test it -->
     The test worked <!--voila!-->
   </dtml-if>
</dtml-let>

Tom P

[Gitte Wange]

I am trying to make some dtml code that tests if a string contains text 
(because if the string is empty it must be set to contain 'Clipname').

Right now the code looks like this:
<dtml-if expr="mc_name == ''">
  <dtml-let mc_name="'Clipname'">
   <dtml-call sqlAddClip>
  </dtml-let>
</dtml-if>

How do you do it - because the above doesn't work.




From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May 16 15:46:29 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:46:29 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Problem with Automatic Cataloging Example in ZopeBook
References: <u7kzixc0t.fsf@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp><3B01EC4D.8B07BC4@digicool.com> <uzocdx0pp.fsf@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <010001c0de17$00022ad0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Hi Christian,

Thanks for the report... I'm going to ask you to do one more thing, sorry.
Can you file this as a bugreport in the Collector
(http://classic.zope.org:8080/Collector)?  I unfortunately don't have time
to test this right now, but if it goes in the Collector, it'll remind me to
do so when possible.

In the meantime... please hang tight, sorry.

- C

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Wittern" <wittern@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Problem with Automatic Cataloging Example in ZopeBook


> Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com> writes:
>
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > Hmmm... I haven't tried this, but I'm afraid I believe you.  :-( Are you
> > saying that anything that is a property of an instance of a ZClass is
> > not indexed in the catalog?  Does this happen with any particular type
> > of ZClass properties or only a certain kind?  What if you add a
> > PythonScript (with no parameters) to a ZClass as a method and make it
> > return a string?  Does that get indexed?  Would you be kind enough to
> > try to make that distinction and report back?
>
> I am following the example in the ZopeBook, Chapter 9 to the letter:
>
> Adding Product News,
> Creating ZClass NewsItem, Baseclasses: ZObject, CatalogAwareBase
> Adding a propertysheet News to NewsItem
> Adding properties to this sheet:
>  content: text
>  author: string
>  date: date
>
> I then create an instance of Catalog, with Indexes:
>  author  FieldIndex
>  content TextIndex
>  date    FieldIndex
>  title   FieldIndex
>
> and a table of Metadata
>  absolute_url
>  author
>  date
>  title
>
> I also create a ZSearch Interface with a FOrm and a Report method
>
> If I now add a NewsItem to my ZOpe somewhere, I can see the item
> appearing in my Catalog, when I click on the Catalog-tab. When I now
> click on the item in the catalog, I see the catalog record for this
> item. This tells me that the fields author and
> title are empty in the section Metadata Contents and author, title and
content
> are empty in the section Index Contents.
>
>
> Now trying the trick with the PythonScript:
>
> Adding a PythonScript "test" as method to NewsItem
>   The script just returns a string, without any params.
> Adding a TextIndex  "test" to the Catalog
> Adding a field "test" to the Metadata table
>
> With this in place, I now add another NewsItem to my Zope, and add
> some dummy content.
>
> Looking at the index record reveals: Indeed, the string returned from
> the "test" script is in place, both in the Index and in the Metatable
> record.
>
>
> --
>
>  Institute for Research in Humanities, Kyoto University
>  47 Higashiogura-cho, Kitashirakawa, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto 606-8265, JAPAN
>
>



From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 16 15:44:37 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:44:37 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] thread safety
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516163914.7126D-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi,

In the ZShell external method I've written, I've got some code which does
the shell globbing for wildcards using the glob.glob module after having
redirected some methods from the os module to my own, e.g. :

--- CUT ---
	oldlistdir = os.listdir
	os.listdir = mylistdir
	...
	glob.glob(...)
	...
	os.listdir = oldlistdir
	...
--- CUT ---

So my question is: is this code thread safe, wrt to other Zope threads
accessing the os module methods while they are redirected to mine ? I
don't want other Zope threads to access my own methods, just the current
one. 

If it is not thread safe, then how can I do it another way ?

Thanks in advance.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr



From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Wed May 16 15:48:46 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:48:46 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: Cron & Receiving email
In-Reply-To: <007901c0de10$4d8356f0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
References: <200105160628160260.003D8B76@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
 <007901c0de10$4d8356f0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <200105160748460020.00874091@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

>Not really.  If you can expland on what you'd like to
accomplish by doing
>this, maybe I can help a little better.

What I want to do is take the confirmation email that
PayPal sends and automatically respond to it by emailing
the product to the customer (trying to do "the simplest
thing that could possibly work" here).

Another alternative is of course to do it completely
outside of Zope, and drive the script with cron. That might
be easiest if 

(1) I knew how to "read" mail to a particular address
inside of Python (it looks like the 'mailbox' module does
this, but it only reads from one mailbox. Thus, to work, it
would seem that address must be sent to a particular
mailbox, which I would guess is possible but requires
sendmail(?) configuration).

(2) I could figure out how to send attachments with
Python-generated mail. I know there are libraries, but any
docs on this seem to go on and on, and have all kinds of
options and alternatives -- it's so simple in Zope. But in
python, it appears I would use MimeWriter. I've found two
examples of this, both of which write to sys.stdout, which
is confusing -- how do you actually email such a thing?

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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Wed May 16 15:49:19 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:49:19 -0600
Subject: [Zope] ZCatalog (2.3.1) won't acquire method from parent fold er?
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B30C@desi2>
Message-ID: <3B02936F.6A537E2C@kaivo.com>

sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> 
> Casey Duncan Wrote:
> >>>>>
> Solution: write a wrapper method in your class that looks for a DTML
> method to index against. If it finds one then call it or a default DTML
> method passing self as the client like so:
> 
> defaultSearchTextWeighted = Globals.HTMLFile('dtml/searchTextWeighted',
> globals())
> def searchText(self):
>         """Look for a DTML Method to call"""
>         if hasattr(self, 'searchTextWeighted'):
>                 stw = self.searchTextWeighted
>         else:
>                 stw = self.defaultSearchTextWeighted
> 
>         return stw(self)
> >>>>>
> 
> Forgive my ignorance here, but this will evaluate/render the method (using
> the correct context of the class instance itself), and proxy the rendered
> method to the catalog machinery because it is a python class, post-rendered?
> Or is it that this wrapper returns the DTML method itself, wrapped in a
> correct context by which catalog renders the method?
> 
> Sean

Sorry this reply took so long, I have been away from the Zope world for
a day and a half (and a lot is happening, yikes!).

Basically this method calls the DTML method (either by acquiring one or
using a default one) and makes sure that the context that the method is
rendered in is the current object, by explicitly passing self to it. So,
when the catalog calls this method, it returns the rendered DTML method
in the context of the object. This compensates for the fact that the
catalog calls an index method with not arguments.

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 16 15:56:53 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:56:53 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] thread safety
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516163914.7126D-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161855550.24914-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Jerome Alet wrote:
> In the ZShell external method I've written, I've got some code which does
> the shell globbing for wildcards using the glob.glob module after having
> redirected some methods from the os module to my own, e.g. :
>
> --- CUT ---
> 	oldlistdir = os.listdir
> 	os.listdir = mylistdir
> 	...
> 	glob.glob(...)
> 	...
> 	os.listdir = oldlistdir
> 	...
> --- CUT ---
>
> So my question is: is this code thread safe, wrt to other Zope threads

   Certainly no.

> accessing the os module methods while they are redirected to mine ? I
> don't want other Zope threads to access my own methods, just the current
> one.
>
> If it is not thread safe, then how can I do it another way ?

   Write your own glob(). Or use locks.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com  Wed May 16 16:01:02 2001
From: tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:01:02 +0100
Subject: [Zope] thread safety
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516163914.7126D-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516163914.7126D-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <d455gtsc64rdi4f1ic0n17gnb2itk79vsb@4ax.com>

On Wed, 16 May 2001 16:44:37 +0200 (MET DST), Jerome Alet
<alet@unice.fr> wrote:

>So my question is: is this code thread safe, wrt to other Zope threads
>accessing the os module methods while they are redirected to mine ? I
>don't want other Zope threads to access my own methods, just the current
>one.=20

It is not thread safe

>If it is not thread safe, then how can I do it another way ?

What you _really_ want to do is create a duplicate of a module (glob)
but providing it with a replacement for a standard module (os).

The cheeky solution involves using the standard library module rexec.
It was designed for replacing modules in a security sandbox (for
example, replacing the standard 'open' function with one that limits
access to a specific directory) but it will do exactly what you want
too.

The python documentation for this module is a little thin, but there
is deeper documentation on www.python.org.

Toby Dickenson
tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com


From mps_@hotmail.com  Wed May 16 16:06:33 2001
From: mps_@hotmail.com (matt standish)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
Message-ID: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>

What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
running?


From paz@oratrix.com  Wed May 16 16:14:20 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:14:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] SQL Session first time load
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGEHMCEAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Hi all,

Is there a reason why you cannot query _ZSession on the first page access?

Observe:

<var header>
<var contentstuff>
<var footer>

Header:
call Session

Footer
use a ZSQL session that logs a pageload data including the PreciseTime as
PK, and Zsession as foreign key and the page address with query string.

What happens..:

First time you load, you get a key error for  _ZSession.

To fix it:

Reload page and all resumes as should. But I especially want to record the
entry point for a browser... which cannot happen if only the second load can
be logged.


Paz



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 16 16:17:09 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:17:09 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
In-Reply-To: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161915390.24914-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, matt standish wrote:
> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> running?

   http://old.zope.net.ru/ is running without restart on Solaris 2.5.1
since 5 March. Zope 2.3.0.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 16 16:16:44 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:16:44 +0200
Subject: [Zope] thread safety
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161855550.24914-100000@phd.fep.ru>; from phd@phd.fep.ru on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 06:56:53PM +0400
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516163914.7126D-100000@cortex.unice.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161855550.24914-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <20010516171644.A890@nordine.ateur>

On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 06:56:53PM +0400, Oleg Broytmann wrote:
> > accessing the os module methods while they are redirected to mine ? I
> > don't want other Zope threads to access my own methods, just the current
> > one.
> >
> > If it is not thread safe, then how can I do it another way ?
> 
>    Write your own glob()

out of question, why rewrite existing free software code ?

> . Or use locks.

Please could you be more explicit ?
Does zope have a locking mechanism ?

bye,

Jerome Alet


From tim@freepm.org  Wed May 16 16:19:19 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
References: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B029A77.52EFCF0C@iswt.com>

matt standish wrote:
> 
> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> running?

32 days+,  on Linux.
But I regularly restart it (usually evey ady or two) since it's a
development site (even when I don't have to). This was just a
long period when I was busy with other things.

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 16 16:21:08 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:21:08 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] thread safety
In-Reply-To: <20010516171644.A890@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161919590.24914-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Jerome Alet wrote:
> > . Or use locks.
>
> Please could you be more explicit ?
> Does zope have a locking mechanism ?

   Don't know about Zope locks. But Zope uses Python's threads, so you can
easily import threading and aqcuire/release thread locks.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From CapesiusA@Sysmex.com  Wed May 16 16:37:33 2001
From: CapesiusA@Sysmex.com (Capesius, Alan)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:37:33 -0500
Subject: [Zope] dd/mm/yyyy date into MySQL
Message-ID: <52357C028418D411B45200508BA55395488BA9@SYSEXCHG>

Assuming its a string,

I use this code to convert from yyyymmdd format to mm/dd/yy form.
<dtml-let x="_.str(date)[4:6] + '/' + _.str(date)[6:8] + '/' +
_.str(date)[2:4]">
   <dtml-return x>
</dtml-let >


Use a similar technique of splitting and reassembling the string to go the
other way

Name: dateswap
(untested)
<dtml-let x="_.str(date)[6:10] + '/' + _.str(date)[0:5]>
   <dtml-return x>
</dtml-let >

Call this from your DTML with <dtml-var "dateswap(date=formdate)">

You should validate the date format from the form or catch conversion errors
in case the user enters a bad format.
This code does not check for invalid dates (feb 35th, etc.)


http://twsite.bizland.com/zopetips.htm


>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Sion Morris [mailto:s.morris@bangor.ac.uk]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:18 AM 
>>>To: zope@zope.org
>>>Subject: [Zope] dd/mm/yyyy date into MySQL
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>What would be the best way to take a date in the format 
>>>'dd/mm/yyyy' from a
>>>form and insert it into a date field in a MySQL table, which 
>>>takes the format
>>>yyyy/mm/dd?
>>>
>>>I could have seperate fields for day, month and year and piece them
>>>together before inserting them in the table. But, is it 
>>>possible to take a
>>>complete date, and change it format before inserting it in a 
>>>MySQL table?
>>>Having looked at the Zope Book nothing obvious jumped out.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Sion
>>>
>>>--
>>>Computer Support
>>>Sion Morris
>>>School of Psychology                       Ysgol Seicoleg
>>>University of Wales, Bangor                Prifysgol Cymru Bangor
>>>Tel: 01248 382469
>>>Fax: 01248 382599
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>


From jeff@janix.com  Wed May 16 16:45:44 2001
From: jeff@janix.com (Jeff Sasmor)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:45:44 -0400
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
References: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c0de1f$5c164650$1a931340@NETKOOK>

  a.. Zope version: Zope 2.2.5 (binary release, python 1.5.2, linux2-x86) 
  b.. Python version: 1.5.2 (#10, Dec 6 1999, 12:16:27) [GCC 2.7.2.3] 
  c.. System Platform: linux2 
  d.. Process ID: 10770 (7176) 
  e.. Running for: 78 days 23 hours 58 min 29 sec 
this is www.naggle.com
It's ZServer, no Apache in front of it.
Running Red Hat Linux 6.1 

Jeff Sasmor

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "matt standish" <mps_@hotmail.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:06 AM
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope


> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> running?
> 
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From tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk  Wed May 16 16:41:35 2001
From: tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk (Tony McDonald)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:41:35 +0100
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
In-Reply-To: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7285E3E.813D%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>

On 16/5/01 4:06 pm, "matt standish" <mps_@hotmail.com> wrote:

> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> running?
> 
>
April the 3rd - when we moved our server.
-- 
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The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope



From sabaini@niil.at  Wed May 16 16:44:41 2001
From: sabaini@niil.at (Peter Sabaini)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:44:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
In-Reply-To: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105161726130.1142-100000@oeh.tu-graz.ac.at>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, matt standish wrote:

> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> running?

Wohoo, uptime contest ;) Let me show off first: 149 days! This box
doesn't do much though, just a few requests per day, and its just
plain Zope with some ext. Methods, no DB connection or something. The
reason for restarting was btw. me accidentally hitting the power
switch with my knee ;)

This machine runs Zope 2.1.6 on intel linux 2.2.14

greets,
peter.




From drees@the-bridge.net  Wed May 16 16:47:32 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:47:32 -0500
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
In-Reply-To: <3B029A77.52EFCF0C@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLCEOKCIAA.drees@the-bridge.net>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tim
> Cook
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:19 AM
> To: matt standish; zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
> 
> 
> matt standish wrote:
> > 
> > What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> > running?

Zope version: Zope 2.1.6 (binary release, python 1.5.2, linux2-x86) 
Python version: 1.5.2 (#10, Dec 6 1999, 12:16:27) [GCC 2.7.2.3] 
System Platform: linux2 
Process ID: 21738 (3076) 
Running for: 67 days 17 hours 13 min 11 sec 





From arkbit@yahoo.com  Wed May 16 17:00:58 2001
From: arkbit@yahoo.com (Arkaitz)
Date: 16 May 2001 18:00:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] disappearing management tabs
Message-ID: <990028858.1127.5.camel@basajaun>

Hi all,

I've got a Python product class that has an "editData" that once changed
the info in the class, has to return to the original form. I do it like
this:

if REQUEST is not None:
    return self.editForm (REQUEST, manage_tabs_message='data saved.')

The problem is that when calling it this way, the editForm DTML method doesn't 
have the management tabs that are there when it's called directly. This dtml file 
has this at the beginning:
    <dtml-var manage_page_header>
    <dtml-var manage_tabs>

All the <head>, css, etc. gets inserted fine, but there are no tabe.
 Any hint?

TIA,
arkaitz.


From arkbit@yahoo.com  Wed May 16 17:01:27 2001
From: arkbit@yahoo.com (Arkaitz)
Date: 16 May 2001 18:01:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] disappearing management tabs
Message-ID: <990028887.2723.6.camel@basajaun>

Hi all,

I've got a Python product class that has an "editData" that once changed
the info in the class, has to return to the original form. I do it like
this:

if REQUEST is not None:
    return self.editForm (REQUEST, manage_tabs_message='data saved.')

The problem is that when calling it this way, the editForm DTML method doesn't 
have the management tabs that are there when it's called directly. This dtml file 
has this at the beginning:
    <dtml-var manage_page_header>
    <dtml-var manage_tabs>

All the <head>, css, etc. gets inserted fine, but there are no tabs.
 Any hint?

TIA,
arkaitz.


From jhrsn@pitt.edu  Wed May 16 16:47:29 2001
From: jhrsn@pitt.edu (Jim Harrison)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:47:29 -0400
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
In-Reply-To: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7281951.4EBE%jhrsn@pitt.edu>

on 5/16/01 11:06 AM, matt standish at mps_@hotmail.com wrote:

> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> running?

Last year I ran Zope for about 9 months without a restart on LinuxPPC.
Currently Zope 2.3.0 has been up for 84 days on MacOSX. This is in a lightly
loaded intranet environment.

Jim Harrison
Univ. of Pittsburgh


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Wed May 16 16:51:45 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:51:45 -0700
Subject: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B315@desi2>

and this can be done with Zope running, and the ODB being used?

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:02 PM
To: anthony@interlink.com.au
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?


Here ya go, Anthony (untested, but I'm feeling confident tonight ;-):

from ZODB.DB import DB
from ZODB.FileStorage import FileStorage
s = FileStorage('Data.fs')
db = DB(s)
db.pack()
db.close()



Anthony Baxter wrote:
> 
> Don't suppose anyone's produced a nice convenient "pack a data.fs file"
> script that's runnable from outside Zope?
> 
> Anthony
> 
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From eric@walstads.net  Wed May 16 16:58:41 2001
From: eric@walstads.net (Eric Walstad)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:58:41 -0700
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
In-Reply-To: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIHDFELHAEMHJHFIEOEJMCKAA.eric@walstads.net>

64 Days - had to power down because I wanted to install a bigger hard drive.
It probably would've kept chugging away forever, otherwise!
RH6.2, Zope 2.2.4

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of matt
> standish
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:07 AM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
>
>
> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> running?
>
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From laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu  Wed May 16 17:03:37 2001
From: laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu (Laurie Nason)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:03:37 -0500
Subject: [Zope] dtml-with question
In-Reply-To: <3B01D00F.F21B8418@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <NFBBIFLELKMLLIEKAAOKKEHBCCAA.laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu>

You beauty!!! This worked a treat - thanks so much - now I can get back to
what I am supposed to be doing!!
Laurie

-----Original Message-----
From: David Hassalevris [mailto:bluepaul@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:56 PM
To: Laurie Nason
Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml-with question


Laurie,
If you havent tried something like this, give it a shot.
It may work :-0

#2--------------------------------
         <dtml-with name="lookups">
              <dtml-with "_.getitem(lookuptype)">
                 <add dtml method here>
              </dtml-with>
         </dtml-with>

David



Laurie Nason wrote:
>
> Nope - doesn't sort the problem out. Maybe I didn't explain myself too
well
> on the first attempt. What I am trying to do in the code is to add a dtml
> method in the folder of my choice - see code below....
> I call the method below with a lookuptype which is the name of one of the
> folders - it is then supposed to find the folder and create a new method
in
> that folder. Like I said before - the first piece of code works as it
should
> and creates my new method in the correct folder, but the second one
doesn't
> put the requested folder on the top of the namespace (or doesn't appear
to)
> it creates the new method in the lookups folder.
>
> My folders look like:
> lookups
>         |-->strain
>         |-->species
>         |-->etc...
>
> #1--------------------------------
>         <dtml-with name="lookups">
>                 <dtml-with name="strain">
>                         <add dtml method here (this bit works!)>
>                 </dtml-with>
>         </dtml-with>
>
> #2--------------------------------
>         <dtml-with name="lookups">
>                 <dtml-with name=lookuptype>
>                 <add dtml method here (this bit works!)>
>                 </dtml-with>
>         </dtml-with>
>
> Any ideas..?
> Laurie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of David
> Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:33 AM
> To: Laurie Nason; Zope
> Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml-with question
>
> The problem is that
>
> >                 <dtml-with name=lookuptype>
>
> isn't really what you want -- you're telling dtml-var that the name is
> lookuptype, when what you really mean is that you want the value of
> lookuptype.
>
> It's probably more complex than this, but try:
>
> <dtml-var expr="lookuptype">
>
> The quotes are not controlling evaluation, like you think they are.  Inf
> act, by the time it gets to the dtml-var evaluation code, Zope has no clue
> whether or not you have quoted it or not.
>
> dave
>
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From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May 16 17:08:20 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:08:20 -0400
Subject: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B315@desi2>
Message-ID: <017201c0de22$6d780390$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

No.  You'd need ZEO for that.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sean.upton@uniontrib.com>
To: <chrism@digicool.com>; <anthony@interlink.com.au>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?


> and this can be done with Zope running, and the ODB being used?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:02 PM
> To: anthony@interlink.com.au
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
> 
> 
> Here ya go, Anthony (untested, but I'm feeling confident tonight ;-):
> 
> from ZODB.DB import DB
> from ZODB.FileStorage import FileStorage
> s = FileStorage('Data.fs')
> db = DB(s)
> db.pack()
> db.close()
> 
> 
> 
> Anthony Baxter wrote:
> > 
> > Don't suppose anyone's produced a nice convenient "pack a data.fs file"
> > script that's runnable from outside Zope?
> > 
> > Anthony
> > 
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From tpassin@mitretek.org  Wed May 16 17:10:19 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:10:19 -0400
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
References: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c501c0de22$b40a1d70$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[matt standish]

> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> running?
>
About 2 months (so far) - Zope 2.1.6, NT4 SP6+, lightly loaded, Zope is the
websever (no apache, etc.).   I had a slowdown problem, but it turned out to
be with extra threads launched by an external method that weren't quitting
as expected, so my thread count was bulding up.

Tom P



From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Wed May 16 17:16:40 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:16:40 -0700
Subject: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B318@desi2>

How does that work with ZEO?  If you were to pack the ZSS ODB on the ZSS
box, do you have to shut down zope on the ZSS box?  How do ZEO Clients react
to this?

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:08 AM
To: sean.upton@uniontrib.com; anthony@interlink.com.au
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?


No.  You'd need ZEO for that.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sean.upton@uniontrib.com>
To: <chrism@digicool.com>; <anthony@interlink.com.au>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?


> and this can be done with Zope running, and the ODB being used?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:02 PM
> To: anthony@interlink.com.au
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
> 
> 
> Here ya go, Anthony (untested, but I'm feeling confident tonight ;-):
> 
> from ZODB.DB import DB
> from ZODB.FileStorage import FileStorage
> s = FileStorage('Data.fs')
> db = DB(s)
> db.pack()
> db.close()
> 
> 
> 
> Anthony Baxter wrote:
> > 
> > Don't suppose anyone's produced a nice convenient "pack a data.fs file"
> > script that's runnable from outside Zope?
> > 
> > Anthony
> > 
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From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May 16 17:21:43 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:21:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B318@desi2>
Message-ID: <01a101c0de24$4cc87b50$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Zope doesn't need to run on the ZSS box.  Only the storage server process.
Clients ask the storage server process to pack its database.  It does so.
As its packing, operation continues more or less normally... there are a few
caveats that I can't remember, but it more or less just works.  I think
clients cache writes during this time, but I'm not entirely certain.

----- Original Message -----
From: <sean.upton@uniontrib.com>
To: <chrism@digicool.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?


> How does that work with ZEO?  If you were to pack the ZSS ODB on the ZSS
> box, do you have to shut down zope on the ZSS box?  How do ZEO Clients
react
> to this?
>
> Sean
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:08 AM
> To: sean.upton@uniontrib.com; anthony@interlink.com.au
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
>
>
> No.  You'd need ZEO for that.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sean.upton@uniontrib.com>
> To: <chrism@digicool.com>; <anthony@interlink.com.au>
> Cc: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:51 AM
> Subject: RE: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
>
>
> > and this can be done with Zope running, and the ODB being used?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:02 PM
> > To: anthony@interlink.com.au
> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
> >
> >
> > Here ya go, Anthony (untested, but I'm feeling confident tonight ;-):
> >
> > from ZODB.DB import DB
> > from ZODB.FileStorage import FileStorage
> > s = FileStorage('Data.fs')
> > db = DB(s)
> > db.pack()
> > db.close()
> >
> >
> >
> > Anthony Baxter wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't suppose anyone's produced a nice convenient "pack a data.fs
file"
> > > script that's runnable from outside Zope?
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
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From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 16 17:34:44 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:34:44 -0700
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
References: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <006001c0de26$3041dc40$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Doh! We had a power outage in Vancouver 21 days ago :(

Zope Version Zope 2.3.0 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86) 
Python Version 1.5.2 (#0, Jul 30 1999, 09:52:18) [MSC 32 bit (Intel)] 
System Platform win32 
Process Id 568 (1048) 
Running For 21 days 1 hour 20 min 21 sec 

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "matt standish" <mps_@hotmail.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:06 AM
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope


> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> running?
> 
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From cbeaumon@msri.org  Wed May 16 17:39:48 2001
From: cbeaumon@msri.org (Chris Beaumont)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:39:48 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: Cron & Receiving email
In-Reply-To: <007901c0de10$4d8356f0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
References: <200105160628160260.003D8B76@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
 <007901c0de10$4d8356f0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <p05010401b7285a87d3ad@[192.168.1.2]>

If you have access to a machine anywhere on the net that is running 
Linux or another Unix variant, here's an admittedly low-tech but very 
useful solution to this problem. (for some reason, my Zope wouldnt 
boot with Xron, so I was forced to look elsewhere and I found this..)

I've found that either lynx or wget running on a cron job works 
*very* well for doing things like this.. (scheduling events in a Zope 
somewhere, really anywhere where the cron-triggered lynx can send it 
a request..the Zope can even be running on NT.. *laugh*)

Its also a great way to grab (to mirror) pages created on a Zope 
server for use on other machines running conventional Apache, etc. 
Use 'lynx source' running from cron on the other machine to save the 
file to disk at regular intervals..This can also be a great way to 
deal with situations in which certain pages get very high traffic 
that it might make sense to divert away from Zope..

The only gotcha for newbies is that when running it from cron, you 
have to make sure that lynx has a "term" variable set.. (vt220 always 
works well for me)

You can do this by adding this to your shell script at the beginning 
of the command line that invokes lynx.. There's a how-to about this 
somewhere if you look around. This combination is rock solid reliable.


Chris

>  > 1) Is there a cron-like tool in Zope? Or a way to have cron
>  > run a process in Zope?
>


From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 16 17:43:40 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:43:40 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??
References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010516120348.00a64038@192.168.0.99> <3B025347.22CBBF54@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <008001c0de27$5f26c100$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> > I am also interested to know Is there any professionally developed sites
in
> > Zope/Python. Please let me know the URL.
>
> There are too many to list here, but try http://www.cbsnewyork.com for a
nice
> high-profile one.

Have a look at http://www.zopezen.org/links for some sites built in Zope,
http://www.activestate.com/ASPN is one Im kinda proud of :)

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Wed May 16 17:47:21 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:47:21 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope problems with IE5
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHGEOOCAAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Lots of people seem to have recently reported a problem with IE5 and the
ZMI, where whatever you click on in the lefthand frame, it gives you the
"View" version of the object in the righthand frame. Well I'd never had that
problem, but today I did, so here's what caused it... might be unique to me,
but might be what has caused the problem for a few people?

Check under Tools > Internet Options > Connections tab - mine usually has
"Never dial a connection" selected. For some reason IE had gone and set
itself to "Always dial my default connection"! once I set it back to "Never
dial..." the ZMI worked fine again! It could be that when people have been
told to update IE, it has reset this option, and that's why updating has
worked??

Hope that helps someone! :-)

Cheers, Jon



From lstafford@morphics.com  Wed May 16 17:50:10 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:50:10 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Cron & Receiving email
In-Reply-To: <200105160628160260.003D8B76@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICEEOFGGAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

Zope product Xron http://www.zope.org/Members/lstaffor/Xron


> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Bruce
> Eckel
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 06:28
> To: zope@zope.org
> Cc: chrism@digicool.com
> Subject: [Zope] Cron & Receiving email
> 
> 
> 1) Is there a cron-like tool in Zope? Or a way to have cron
> run a process in Zope?
> 
> 2) Under Linux/Sendmail, can I have the above Zope process
> "receive" mail sent to a particular address? (Note that my
> ignorance of how mail works could fill volumes).
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> 
> 
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From fquin@profile4u.com  Wed May 16 18:59:06 2001
From: fquin@profile4u.com (Frederic Quin)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:59:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope] HTML QUOTE : only some caracters escaped...
Message-ID: <20010516195906.A843@profile4u.com>

Hi all,
I would like to escape french special caracters but the html_quote option doesn't escape them...
Do I have to try to patch this option ?

Thanks
Fred


From mj@digicool.com  Wed May 16 18:02:04 2001
From: mj@digicool.com (Martijn Pieters)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:02:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: Cron & Receiving email
In-Reply-To: <200105160748460020.00874091@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>; from Bruce@EckelObjects.com on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:48:46AM -0700
References: <200105160628160260.003D8B76@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com> <007901c0de10$4d8356f0$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <200105160748460020.00874091@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <20010516190203.A4381@zopatista.com>

On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:48:46AM -0700, Bruce Eckel wrote:
> >Not really.  If you can expland on what you'd like to
> accomplish by doing
> >this, maybe I can help a little better.
> 
> What I want to do is take the confirmation email that
> PayPal sends and automatically respond to it by emailing
> the product to the customer (trying to do "the simplest
> thing that could possibly work" here).
> 
> Another alternative is of course to do it completely
> outside of Zope, and drive the script with cron. That might
> be easiest if 
> 
> (1) I knew how to "read" mail to a particular address
> inside of Python (it looks like the 'mailbox' module does
> this, but it only reads from one mailbox. Thus, to work, it
> would seem that address must be sent to a particular
> mailbox, which I would guess is possible but requires
> sendmail(?) configuration).

Most MTAs (the software that handles the mail delivery, like sendmail)
allow you to attach a script to an email address. If you control your own
MTA, you can set up an alias in the /etc/aliases file that points not to a
mailbox but to a script. This is how most mailinglists are configured.
This (usually) doesn't require any reconfiguration of the MTA.

The script will get fired up for each email that comes in. You could then
use it to generate your reply email.

If PayPal payments are almost instantanious (only an email delay), you
could have the incoming-mail script handle the parsing of that email and
have it send ZOpe an XML-RPC message to set the correct 'Paid' flag. The
customer would be watching a 'Your payment is being processed' page that
refreshes itself every 30 seconds or so, until the correct flag is set in
the database. He or she can then download the file.

This latter solution is more complex, but allows the selling of files
greater than 100k, as mailboxes of recipients may be quota limited.

> (2) I could figure out how to send attachments with
> Python-generated mail. I know there are libraries, but any
> docs on this seem to go on and on, and have all kinds of
> options and alternatives -- it's so simple in Zope. But in
> python, it appears I would use MimeWriter. I've found two
> examples of this, both of which write to sys.stdout, which
> is confusing -- how do you actually email such a thing?

Use MimeWriter and the sendmail library. And read up on some mime
documentation. You'd need the latter for sending attachments using Zope
as well, as you'll need to create the correct mime boundaries anyway.

Hope this helps!

I-wish-chapter-3-of-TIC++-wasn't-quite-so-long-so-I-can-get-to-the-meat-ly yours,

-- 
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From weelly@libero.it  Wed May 16 20:07:19 2001
From: weelly@libero.it (weelly@libero.it)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:07:19 +0000
Subject: [Zope] I don't more receive your maillist
Message-ID: <01051619071900.02054@localhost.localdomain>

weelly@libero.it
Bye-Bye
-- 
weelly


From afterz@zipmail.com  Wed May 16 18:10:13 2001
From: afterz@zipmail.com (After Dark)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:10:13 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
In-Reply-To: <3ADF3E44.63CEBA4A@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <web-4377284@zipmail.com>

Somebody knows if this resource (email below - ZClass) is
fixed in 2.3.2??

And any changes in ZCatalog that solve tha accentuation
problem???

Thanks.

--
--Ricardo Kohler
          Costa

Casey Duncan <cduncan@kaivo.com> wrote:
>After Dark wrote:
>> 
>> I did that, creates a ZClass of ZCatalogAware and
>OFS.file,
>> but when I try to add a new element gives the following
>> error:
>> 
>> type error
>> unsliceable object
>> 
>> But I did the same as others examples that worked, the
>only
>> diference was that they were just ZCatalogAware.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>
>This is a bug in the way the ZClass passes the id to the
>ObjectManager
>(Folder). It appears to be fixed in 2.3.2
>
>-- 
>| Casey Duncan
>| Kaivo, Inc.
>| cduncan@kaivo.com
>`------------------>

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          Costa
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From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Wed May 16 18:38:08 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:38:08 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 0.9
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010516113818.4833C-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <000e01c0de2e$f9222400$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

From: "Jerome Alet" <alet@unice.fr>
> I'm pleased to announce you the very latest ZShell version: 0.9
> You can download it from:
-snip-8<---
> http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/
>
> New features:
> =============
>
> - Commands grep, view, properties and manage added.
>   WARNING: no security check is done on manage.
> - Command replace was deleted since grep can do replace.
> - Command google now opens a new window.
> - If javascript is not activated then new windows
>   are not opened but the user can follow links to
>   the results in commands: google, view, properties
>   and manage.
> - Some minor fixes.
> - Code simplifications.
> - find was going one level too deep when --maxdepth
>   was used.

Yow! The best just keeps getting better. Thanks
:-)

-------------------------------
BUG REPORT [latest zshell-0.9]:

RESULTS Manage/View links not yet 100% compatible with SiteRoot

Since version 0.8 the handy hyperlinked command set to the right of the
zshell input textarea have been working correctly. But the 'manage/view'
links in the far right hand column which are 'Results:' returns when doing,
for example 'ls *'

These are still slightly broken on my setup:
Linux RedHat 6.2
Zope 2.3.2
SiteAccess2 and SiteRoot instance in zoperoot
Apache 1.3.14 with ProxyPass and ProxyReverse directives

Now I am losing the Path which SiteRoot handles:
Base = http://www.mysite.com
Path = /zope

Thus Zope is happily running on http://www.mysite.com/zope

Manage/View links from zshell is missing the /zope.
For example, 'View' link for index_html points at
http://www.mysite.com/index_html

It should be
http://www.mysite.com/zope/index_html


------------------------
GUI SUGGESTION

Include an 'implemented' property status flag for each zshell command
method.
Those commands not yet implemented should be listed by not yet actively
hyperlinked.
This way easier to see what is available to use.
As zshell is clearly alive and growing, this will make it easier for new
users to avoid confusion and frustration.

hth
./Jason



From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 16 18:47:23 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:47:23 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Getting user permissions
Message-ID: <002401c0de30$53ea89d0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Im trying to check that a user has permission to do something:

        user = self.REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER']
        for p in ['Foo',]:
            print user.has_permission(p, parent)

I get 1 for everything. Is has_permission the correct call?

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.





From bill@libc.org  Wed May 16 19:01:18 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 16 May 2001 12:01:18 -0600
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
In-Reply-To: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
References: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <990036079.1340.1.camel@locutus>

On 16 May 2001 10:06:33 -0500, matt standish wrote:
> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> running?

I have an HPUX/Zope (just Zope) combo at work that has been running
solid for about 6 months or so.




From drees@the-bridge.net  Wed May 16 19:06:55 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:06:55 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Getting user permissions
In-Reply-To: <002401c0de30$53ea89d0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLGEPACIAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

>         user = self.REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER']
>         for p in ['Foo',]:
>             print user.has_permission(p, parent)


SecurityGetUser is the blessed way to get a user object.
> I get 1 for everything. Is has_permission the correct call?

That I'm not sure of.


From srobinson@fredericksburg.com  Wed May 16 19:12:09 2001
From: srobinson@fredericksburg.com (Sherwood Robinson)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:12:09 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope problems with IE5
In-Reply-To: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHGEOOCAAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010516140636.00bea440@mail.fredericksburg.com>

I have this problem on the server actually running Zope.  As long as I 
access the manage area from other than the server all is fine.   I have 
been having this problem since 2.3.X.

It hasn't bothered me because the servers are not workstations too.

Now I do have Zope installed on my workstation and I don't have this 
problem at all.

As for the dial-up Idea glad that worked for you.  I checked the server 
settings to see if I could duplicate your fix.  Unfortunately I cannot as 
it was set to never dial.  (No Modem Anyway)



At 05:47 PM 5/16/2001 +0100, Jon Edwards wrote:
>hing Environment <zope.zope.org>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope>,
>         <mailto:zope-request@zope.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope/>
>Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:47:21 +0100
>
>Lots of people seem to have recently reported a problem with IE5 and the
>ZMI, where whatever you click on in the lefthand frame, it gives you the
>"View" version of the object in the righthand frame. Well I'd never had that
>problem, but today I did, so here's what caused it... might be unique to me,
>but might be what has caused the problem for a few people?
>
>Check under Tools > Internet Options > Connections tab - mine usually has
>"Never dial a connection" selected. For some reason IE had gone and set
>itself to "Always dial my default connection"! once I set it back to "Ne
ver
>dial..." the ZMI worked fine again! It could be that when people have been
>told to update IE, it has reset this option, and that's why updating has
>worked??
>
>Hope that helps someone! :-)
>
>Cheers, Jon
>
>
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From drees@the-bridge.net  Wed May 16 19:10:12 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:10:12 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Getting user permissions
In-Reply-To: <002401c0de30$53ea89d0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLCEPBCIAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

 
>         user = self.REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER']
>         for p in ['Foo',]:
>             print user.has_permission(p, parent)

http://www.zope.org//Members/ksmith99/MailDigestWiki/PermissionChecking

says:

user.has_permission(permission_name, object)


> 
> I get 1 for everything. Is has_permission the correct call?
> 
> Cheers.
> --
>   Andy McKay.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 


From jpenny@universal-fasteners.com  Wed May 16 19:17:31 2001
From: jpenny@universal-fasteners.com (Jim Penny)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:17:31 -0400
Subject: [Zope] HTML e-mail and irony
Message-ID: <20010516141731.T19977@universal-fasteners.com>

Is it not a bit ironic that a mailing list about a web development
system has such a strong policy against HTML e-mail.

(Not that I disagree, html email is, whether one is concerned about
legibility, bandwidth, security, or privacy, an unadulterated evil.
But still, there is a tinge of irony).

Jim Penny


From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 16 19:18:07 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:18:07 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Getting user permissions
References: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLGEPACIAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <006701c0de34$b420fba0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> SecurityGetUser is the blessed way to get a user object.

I thought that was just for DTML? Thats inside /AccessControl/DTML.py...
This is a Zope product.

Hmm I tried

        s = getSecurityManager()
        for p in ['Foo',]:
            print s.checkPermission(p, parent)

and still get 1 for everyting. I would have thought as a default I would get
0 at the least. Oh this is weird.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Drees" <drees@the-bridge.net>
To: "Andy McKay" <andym@activestate.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: [Zope] Getting user permissions


> >         user = self.REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER']
> >         for p in ['Foo',]:
> >             print user.has_permission(p, parent)
>
>
> SecurityGetUser is the blessed way to get a user object.
> > I get 1 for everything. Is has_permission the correct call?
>
> That I'm not sure of.
>



From shai@aristocart.com  Wed May 16 19:25:15 2001
From: shai@aristocart.com (Shai Berger)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:25:15 +0300
Subject: [Zope] ZSQL Methods in Z Classes
Message-ID: <3B02C60B.AF15C087@aristocart.com>

Hi Guys,

I wanted to use ZSQL Methods in Z Classes to share code between different
parts of a large project. The different parts need to use similar, but
separate, database namespaces, but I still wanted to use the same methods.

Now, ZSQL Methods treat their Database connection ID, for some reason,
on a par with their source -- it is not a parameter. You are not supposed
to run one ZSQL Method on two connections. (One can try to acquire, restricting
yourself to the same ID name in different folders; I think this will not work,
and the ZSQL methods will get to their original DB connection first).

I tried to bypass this limitation, by defining a forwarding database adapter.
The idea was that this adapter's connection string would point to a resource
(property or method) which will specify the actual connection. The idea was
that in a ZClass, I could have this be a pythonscript which will look into
an instance property sheet, thereby allowing different instances to use
different connections.

This seemed to work very nicely at first: After the ZClass with the forwarding
adapter and pythonscript was installed into a folder, all its methods worked
like magic. I was very happy.

Then we restarted Zope, and ever since, it seems like the Adapter is being
called by the ZSQL Methods without any acquisiotion context.

Could you help show me what went wrong?

BTW: I intended to make the forwarding DA a product, and to ship with it 
a base ZClass for ZSQL methods-using ZClasses, which I wanted to call "ZSQL Class".
But even before the current problems, I was halted by the fact that if you
define a database connection in a ZClass, ZSQL Methods in derived classes cannot
use it.

In fact, even ZSQL Methods in the same class as the adapter act funny -- you
can set it as their connection, but in the source they say "connection not found",
and you can't test them in the class context (even when they don't rely on instance
resources).

Hope this is informative enough, and that others have thought of these problems,

Shai.


From =?ISO-8859-1?B?R2VpciBC5mtob2x0?= <geirh@funcom.com>  Wed May 16 19:31:14 2001
From: =?ISO-8859-1?B?R2VpciBC5mtob2x0?= <geirh@funcom.com> (=?ISO-8859-1?B?R2VpciBC5mtob2x0?=)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:31:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
In-Reply-To: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
References: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1561950404.20010516203114@funcom.com>

Hello matt and other Zopatistas that might be interested..
Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 17:06:33, you wrote:

ms> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
ms> running?


Zope version: (unreleased version)
Python version: 1.5.2 (#1, Feb 1 2000, 16:32:16) [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs- 
System Platform: linux-i386 
Process ID: 28693 (1026) 
Running for: 217 days 5 hours 9 min 13 sec 

... Still going strong... ;-)

Our corporate intranet.. version is a CVS-thing from around the days
of 2.1.4 - 2.1.6
Takes heavy writing (loads of fsimporting) and with a DB approaching
a GB..

:-)

--
Geir Bækholt
Zopatista / web-developer
geirh@funcom.com




From marc@bowery.com  Wed May 16 19:36:15 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:36:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope problems with IE5
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010516140636.00bea440@mail.fredericksburg.com>
Message-ID: <B72840DF.2D1A6%marc@bowery.com>

Cut and Paste doesn't work, but I think this is known?



From randy@spoke.net  Wed May 16 19:39:14 2001
From: randy@spoke.net (Randall F. Kern)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:39:14 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Getting user permissions
Message-ID: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE04226A@sammamish-dc.spoke.net>

I do this all over the place in a python product:

user =3D getSecurityManager().getUser()
if user.has_permission('Foo', ob)

This is of course the same as your sample (if the user is a normal zope
user object).  So I would look somewhere else for the problem.

-Randy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy McKay [mailto:andym@ActiveState.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:18 AM
> To: Steve Drees; zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Getting user permissions
>=20
>=20
> > SecurityGetUser is the blessed way to get a user object.
>=20
> I thought that was just for DTML? Thats inside=20
> /AccessControl/DTML.py...
> This is a Zope product.
>=20
> Hmm I tried
>=20
>         s =3D getSecurityManager()
>         for p in ['Foo',]:
>             print s.checkPermission(p, parent)
>=20
> and still get 1 for everyting. I would have thought as a=20
> default I would get
> 0 at the least. Oh this is weird.
>=20
> Cheers.
> --
>   Andy McKay.
>=20
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Drees" <drees@the-bridge.net>
> To: "Andy McKay" <andym@activestate.com>; <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:06 AM
> Subject: RE: [Zope] Getting user permissions
>=20
>=20
> > >         user =3D self.REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER']
> > >         for p in ['Foo',]:
> > >             print user.has_permission(p, parent)
> >
> >
> > SecurityGetUser is the blessed way to get a user object.
> > > I get 1 for everything. Is has_permission the correct call?
> >
> > That I'm not sure of.
> >
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -=20
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>=20


From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May 16 19:41:36 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:41:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ODBC DSN file
In-Reply-To: <007601c0dc8c$d49d61b0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
References: <007601c0dc8c$d49d61b0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
Message-ID: <963000.990045696@BUZZER>

Hi Thomas,

--On Montag, 14. Mai 2001 11:44 -0400 "Thomas B. Passin" 
<tpassin@mitretek.org> wrote:

> [Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca>]
>
> I created an ODBC System DSN, and it work fine.  But I have about
> 100 excel files, and I would like to develop an interface with a dropdown
> list with all the excel files in my directory, choose one, and import it.
>
> Any ideas how I could do that?  I tried to create a File DSN, but
> Zope doesn't seem to detect it. With such a connection, I could change the
> connection string into the DSN file when needed.
>
> [Tom]
> If you always know where the files are located, you could use the LocalFS
> product.  Or you could write a simple python external method.
>
> Cheers,

You know of a python toolkit to handle Excel data?
I would like to hear from it :)

Regards
Tino


From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Wed May 16 19:43:27 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:43:27 -0700
Subject: [Zope] HTML e-mail and irony
In-Reply-To: <20010516141731.T19977@universal-fasteners.com>; from jpenny@universal-fasteners.com on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:17:31PM -0400
References: <20010516141731.T19977@universal-fasteners.com>
Message-ID: <20010516114327.P539@blanchardsite.com>

On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:17:31PM -0400, Jim Penny wrote:
> Is it not a bit ironic that a mailing list about a web development
> system has such a strong policy against HTML e-mail.
> 
> (Not that I disagree, html email is, whether one is concerned about
> legibility, bandwidth, security, or privacy, an unadulterated evil.
> But still, there is a tinge of irony).
> 
I see your point, but from a different perspective. Where _better_
than on a web development framework list to find folks who
clearly understand the difference between _web_ and _email_ and
the effective use of each. HTML has no business in any email that
seeks to communicate clearly and simply with everyone, as email
was intended before it became an overhyped marketing target...

just another $0.02 for the kitty... <g>
-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Wed May 16 19:48:49 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:48:49 +0100
Subject: [Zope] HTML Mail
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEOPCAAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

You could also point them to this page -
http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/html-off.html - which has instructions on
how to turn off HTML in various email programs! :-)

Cheers, Jon
-----------------------------------------------------------------

   It is a bit impolite just drop messages from novice users. I'd recommens
to send them polite reply with FAQ on our policies. procmail+formail are
great to do this kind of job.

Oleg.



From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 16 19:53:55 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:53:55 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Getting user permissions
References: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE04226A@sammamish-dc.spoke.net>
Message-ID: <00ca01c0de39$cefb1f00$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Have I found a bug? Lobbing in the collector it goes...

The user account I was checking has the Manager permission. And according to
...AccessControl\PermissionRole.py

def rolesForPermissionOn(perm, object, default=('Manager',)):

Every permission defaults to having the Manager role on it, if not already
sent. Meaning I cant seem to check the Manager role correctly. I changed
this to

def rolesForPermissionOn(perm, object, default=()):

and it works exactly as I would expect, returning 1 for roles I have a right
to and 0 for ones I dont. Im sure there is a reason for this but its weird.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall F. Kern" <randy@spoke.net>
To: "Andy McKay" <andym@activestate.com>; "Steve Drees"
<drees@the-bridge.net>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: [Zope] Getting user permissions


> I do this all over the place in a python product:
>
> user = getSecurityManager().getUser()
> if user.has_permission('Foo', ob)
>
> This is of course the same as your sample (if the user is a normal zope
> user object).  So I would look somewhere else for the problem.
>
> -Randy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy McKay [mailto:andym@ActiveState.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:18 AM
> > To: Steve Drees; zope@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] Getting user permissions
> >
> >
> > > SecurityGetUser is the blessed way to get a user object.
> >
> > I thought that was just for DTML? Thats inside
> > /AccessControl/DTML.py...
> > This is a Zope product.
> >
> > Hmm I tried
> >
> >         s = getSecurityManager()
> >         for p in ['Foo',]:
> >             print s.checkPermission(p, parent)
> >
> > and still get 1 for everyting. I would have thought as a
> > default I would get
> > 0 at the least. Oh this is weird.
> >
> > Cheers.
> > --
> >   Andy McKay.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Drees" <drees@the-bridge.net>
> > To: "Andy McKay" <andym@activestate.com>; <zope@zope.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:06 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Zope] Getting user permissions
> >
> >
> > > >         user = self.REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER']
> > > >         for p in ['Foo',]:
> > > >             print user.has_permission(p, parent)
> > >
> > >
> > > SecurityGetUser is the blessed way to get a user object.
> > > > I get 1 for everything. Is has_permission the correct call?
> > >
> > > That I'm not sure of.
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From sabaini@niil.at  Wed May 16 19:59:43 2001
From: sabaini@niil.at (Peter Sabaini)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:59:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] HTML e-mail and irony
In-Reply-To: <20010516141731.T19977@universal-fasteners.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105162058470.1142-100000@oeh.tu-graz.ac.at>

Well Web developers should know best when not to use HTML ;)

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Jim Penny wrote:

> Is it not a bit ironic that a mailing list about a web development
> system has such a strong policy against HTML e-mail.
>
> (Not that I disagree, html email is, whether one is concerned about
> legibility, bandwidth, security, or privacy, an unadulterated evil.
> But still, there is a tinge of irony).
>
> Jim Penny





From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May 16 20:16:50 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:16:50 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
References: <web-4377284@zipmail.com>
Message-ID: <02cb01c0de3c$c2fba690$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

> Somebody knows if this resource (email below - ZClass) is
> fixed in 2.3.2??

I believe it is.

> And any changes in ZCatalog that solve tha accentuation
> problem???

What's the "accentuation problem"?



From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May 16 20:29:11 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:29:11 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Getting user permissions
References: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE04226A@sammamish-dc.spoke.net>
Message-ID: <030f01c0de3e$7c67cd10$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Another (newer) way to do this is:

from AccessControl import getSecurityManager
getSecurityManager().checkPermission('Foo', ob)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall F. Kern" <randy@spoke.net>
To: "Andy McKay" <andym@ActiveState.com>; "Steve Drees"
<drees@the-bridge.net>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope] Getting user permissions


I do this all over the place in a python product:

user = getSecurityManager().getUser()
if user.has_permission('Foo', ob)

This is of course the same as your sample (if the user is a normal zope
user object).  So I would look somewhere else for the problem.

-Randy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy McKay [mailto:andym@ActiveState.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:18 AM
> To: Steve Drees; zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Getting user permissions
>
>
> > SecurityGetUser is the blessed way to get a user object.
>
> I thought that was just for DTML? Thats inside
> /AccessControl/DTML.py...
> This is a Zope product.
>
> Hmm I tried
>
>         s = getSecurityManager()
>         for p in ['Foo',]:
>             print s.checkPermission(p, parent)
>
> and still get 1 for everyting. I would have thought as a
> default I would get
> 0 at the least. Oh this is weird.
>
> Cheers.
> --
>   Andy McKay.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Drees" <drees@the-bridge.net>
> To: "Andy McKay" <andym@activestate.com>; <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:06 AM
> Subject: RE: [Zope] Getting user permissions
>
>
> > >         user = self.REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER']
> > >         for p in ['Foo',]:
> > >             print user.has_permission(p, parent)
> >
> >
> > SecurityGetUser is the blessed way to get a user object.
> > > I get 1 for everything. Is has_permission the correct call?
> >
> > That I'm not sure of.
> >
>
>
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From jpeterso@the-bridge.net  Wed May 16 20:35:54 2001
From: jpeterso@the-bridge.net (Jeff Peterson)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:35:54 -0500
Subject: [Zope] HTML e-mail and irony
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105162058470.1142-100000@oeh.tu-graz.ac.at>
Message-ID: <KNEFIIDHENFCFDCOJOJKAEDMCNAA.jpeterso@the-bridge.net>

That is the real issue here, those who know better.  For the most part, and
this is a guess, most who send html emails are newbies.  I will go further
and say that this is likely not just to Zope.  Zope is FREE and in it's most
minimal uses, very SIMPLE to manage for anyone.  What attracts newbies?
SIMPLE and FREE...

What I am saying is I am of the school of gently pointing "violators" to
somewhere or something useful in changing the behavior.  Telling them to
stop may work for some, others may not know how to turn it off and are
embarrassed to ask and they need to be shown, by a tutorial or someone
taking the time to explain it.  In any case, our attitude should be that of
ambassadors of list etiquette, because we want the list to grow and we want
new users of Zope.

--
Jeffrey D. Peterson
Webmaster/Web & Web Applications Engineer
Range TV Cable & Broadband
1818 E. 3rd Ave.  Hibbing, MN 55746
jpeterso@rangebroadband.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Peter
> Sabaini
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:00 PM
> To: Jim Penny
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] HTML e-mail and irony
>
>
> Well Web developers should know best when not to use HTML ;)
>
> On Wed, 16 May 2001, Jim Penny wrote:
>
> > Is it not a bit ironic that a mailing list about a web development
> > system has such a strong policy against HTML e-mail.
> >
> > (Not that I disagree, html email is, whether one is concerned about
> > legibility, bandwidth, security, or privacy, an unadulterated evil.
> > But still, there is a tinge of irony).
> >
> > Jim Penny
>
>
>
>
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From tpassin@mitretek.org  Wed May 16 20:45:04 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:45:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ODBC DSN file
References: <007601c0dc8c$d49d61b0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org> <963000.990045696@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <002b01c0de40$b3e11600$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Tino Wildenhain]

>
> You know of a python toolkit to handle Excel data?
> I would like to hear from it :)
>
Not exactly, but there are two ways to go (at least).

1) Access the spreadsheet through an odbc driver, using one of the python
odbc database packages, like mxodbc.  Then you shouldn't have any trouble
with dynamically-generated connection strings.  mxodbc is easy to use.  If
you went this route, you'd probably want to return the data to Zope in the
form of lists or dictionaries, and do your display and styling using Zope.

2) Install the Windows COM extensions (I presume they will work with Zope,
although I don't positively know that).  Then you can use COM calls to talk
to Excel and get the data that way.  This assumes you are on a Windows
platform, of course.

You would access your python code through an external method with either
approach.  That method should do nothing more than pass some REQUEST form
data to your code and return the resuls to Zope, if at all possible.

Still, there must be a reasonable way to programatically change the DSN
string in a zsql method, even though I don't know how.  As I recall, that
was what your original question was about.  Then you wouldn't need all the
external python stuff (might end up being easier, though, depending on what
you want to do).

Cheers,

Tom P





From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Wed May 16 21:07:47 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:07:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] DTML in Properties?
Message-ID: <20010516200747.34595.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm using ZStyleSheets and wanted to set the width of
a layer to the width of the actual image which appears
in it. I know that Zope has the image's size stored as
a property of the image and this property can be
acessed via DTML, but can I put DTML as the Value of
the ZSSAttribute? (or any property, for that matter)

---
Rahsheen Porter

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From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May 16 21:10:46 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:10:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ODBC DSN file
In-Reply-To: <002b01c0de40$b3e11600$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
References: <002b01c0de40$b3e11600$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
Message-ID: <6312825.990051045@BUZZER>

Hi Thomas,

I was not the original requester ;) Instead I pointed
out earlyer to move all the stuff into an RDBMS instead
keeping them in Excel files where they are definitively
misplaced.

And yes, users can be trained to change their working
style :)

Regards
Tino Wildenhain



--On Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2001 15:45 -0400 "Thomas B. Passin" 
<tpassin@mitretek.org> wrote:

> [Tino Wildenhain]
>
>>
>> You know of a python toolkit to handle Excel data?
>> I would like to hear from it :)
>>
> Not exactly, but there are two ways to go (at least).
>
> 1) Access the spreadsheet through an odbc driver, using one of the python
> odbc database packages, like mxodbc.  Then you shouldn't have any trouble
> with dynamically-generated connection strings.  mxodbc is easy to use.  If
> you went this route, you'd probably want to return the data to Zope in the
> form of lists or dictionaries, and do your display and styling using Zope.
>
> 2) Install the Windows COM extensions (I presume they will work with Zope,
> although I don't positively know that).  Then you can use COM calls to
> talk to Excel and get the data that way.  This assumes you are on a
> Windows platform, of course.
>
> You would access your python code through an external method with either
> approach.  That method should do nothing more than pass some REQUEST form
> data to your code and return the resuls to Zope, if at all possible.
>
> Still, there must be a reasonable way to programatically change the DSN
> string in a zsql method, even though I don't know how.  As I recall, that
> was what your original question was about.  Then you wouldn't need all the
> external python stuff (might end up being easier, though, depending on
> what you want to do).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom P
>
>
>
>
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From slinkp23@yahoo.com  Wed May 16 21:20:41 2001
From: slinkp23@yahoo.com (Paul Winkler)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:20:41 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Crazy Problem With Having to Restart Zope Won't GoAway!
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514125312.00a21270@thewebsons.com>
 <5.0.2.1.0.20010514134231.009eeec0@thewebsons.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010514150656.009ef8b0@thewebsons.com>
Message-ID: <3B02E119.A208DF9@yahoo.com>

Ben Ocean wrote:
> The only information I have thus far is that my little shell script
> complains that it can't find the ./start script, even after it's found it
> before. Perhaps it starts Zope, checks on Zope, then when Zope crashes
> suddenly it can no longer find the ./start file. But I can find it! It
> hasn't gone anywhere. Then, equally inexplicably, my infinite loop script dies.

Shell scripting is a mysterious art to mere mortals like you and
I.
I don't think I'd ever trust a shell script to run forever,
since I've written scripts that sometimes do what I expect and
sometimes behave differently with the *exact* same input, and
never been able to solve it.

Some things I'd try:
1) If it can't find ./start each time, put in the full path to
your start script.
Problem gone.
2) Maybe add another cron job that checks to see if your first
script is running, and starts it if not?  ps | grep should tell
you if it's running. I know, this is getting very hacky...

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From CapesiusA@Sysmex.com  Wed May 16 21:42:39 2001
From: CapesiusA@Sysmex.com (Capesius, Alan)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:42:39 -0500
Subject: [Zope] HTML e-mail and irony
Message-ID: <52357C028418D411B45200508BA55395488C61@SYSEXCHG>

Some problems contributing to this is that Egroups/YahooGroups interface
interprets HTML mail for the user.
So those who are aware of HTML vs. text issues may be unaware that they are
sending to the list in HTML if they read via egroups and then mail to the
list.  (648 people)

They never see a restriction until they get a reply from someone on the
list.

The NIP search engine doesn't handle it the same way, so you see the
attachment, as do those who subscribe directly.

And... users of Microsoft Exchange Server, Outlook etc.. based email systems
may not be able to control the settings if the server is set to override it
or may be unaware that MS does not default to plain text. Some incarnations
require that the user manually change the setting to plain text EVERY time
they send a message.



>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Jeff Peterson [mailto:jpeterso@the-bridge.net]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:36 PM 
>>>To: Zope@Zope. Org
>>>Subject: RE: [Zope] HTML e-mail and irony
>>>
>>>
>>>That is the real issue here, those who know better.  For the 
>>>most part, and
>>>this is a guess, most who send html emails are newbies.  I 
>>>will go further
>>>and say that this is likely not just to Zope.  Zope is FREE 
>>>and in it's most
>>>minimal uses, very SIMPLE to manage for anyone.  What 
>>>attracts newbies?
>>>SIMPLE and FREE...
>>>
>>>What I am saying is I am of the school of gently pointing 
>>>"violators" to
>>>somewhere or something useful in changing the behavior.  
>>>Telling them to
>>>stop may work for some, others may not know how to turn it 
>>>off and are
>>>embarrassed to ask and they need to be shown, by a tutorial 
>>>or someone
>>>taking the time to explain it.  In any case, our attitude 
>>>should be that of
>>>ambassadors of list etiquette, because we want the list to 
>>>grow and we want
>>>new users of Zope.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jeffrey D. Peterson
>>>Webmaster/Web & Web Applications Engineer
>>>Range TV Cable & Broadband
>>>1818 E. 3rd Ave.  Hibbing, MN 55746
>>>jpeterso@rangebroadband.com
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On 
>>>Behalf Of Peter
>>>> Sabaini
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:00 PM
>>>> To: Jim Penny
>>>> Cc: zope@zope.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Zope] HTML e-mail and irony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well Web developers should know best when not to use HTML ;)
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 16 May 2001, Jim Penny wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Is it not a bit ironic that a mailing list about a web 
>>>development
>>>> > system has such a strong policy against HTML e-mail.
>>>> >
>>>> > (Not that I disagree, html email is, whether one is 
>>>concerned about
>>>> > legibility, bandwidth, security, or privacy, an 
>>>unadulterated evil.
>>>> > But still, there is a tinge of irony).
>>>> >
>>>> > Jim Penny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>>>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>>>> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>>>> (Related lists -
>>>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>>>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>


From tmoore@tembel.org  Wed May 16 21:51:36 2001
From: tmoore@tembel.org (Tim Moore)
Date: 16 May 2001 20:51:36 +0000
Subject: [Zope] Parsed XML build error
Message-ID: <84k83hggpz.fsf@challah.msrl.com>

I'm trying to build the Expat library as part of the ParsedXML product
install.  This with Zope 2.3.2 on Linux.  Here's what I run:

cd /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/Products/ParsedXML/Expat
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/bin/python setup.py

It seems to get through the confugure step ok, but then it fails
somewhere during make:

make -f ./Makefile.pre.in VPATH=. srcdir=. \
        VERSION=$VERSION \
        installdir=$installdir \
        exec_installdir=$exec_installdir \
        Makefile
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/Products/ParsedXML/Expat'
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python1.5/config/Makefile', needed by `sedscript'.  Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/Products/ParsedXML/Expat'
make: *** [boot] Error 2

Any clues?  I thought this was supposed to be pretty straightforward
:-(
-- 
Tim Moore


From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 16 22:34:46 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:34:46 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Getting user permissions
References: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE04226A@sammamish-dc.spoke.net> <030f01c0de3e$7c67cd10$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <001201c0de50$4d781840$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Yep. The result is the same and its caused by Manager being the default role
for any permission.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
To: "Randall F. Kern" <randy@spoke.net>; "Andy McKay"
<andym@activestate.com>; "Steve Drees" <drees@the-bridge.net>;
<zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Getting user permissions


> Another (newer) way to do this is:
>
> from AccessControl import getSecurityManager
> getSecurityManager().checkPermission('Foo', ob)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randall F. Kern" <randy@spoke.net>
> To: "Andy McKay" <andym@ActiveState.com>; "Steve Drees"
> <drees@the-bridge.net>; <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:39 PM
> Subject: RE: [Zope] Getting user permissions
>
>
> I do this all over the place in a python product:
>
> user = getSecurityManager().getUser()
> if user.has_permission('Foo', ob)
>
> This is of course the same as your sample (if the user is a normal zope
> user object).  So I would look somewhere else for the problem.
>
> -Randy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy McKay [mailto:andym@ActiveState.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:18 AM
> > To: Steve Drees; zope@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] Getting user permissions
> >
> >
> > > SecurityGetUser is the blessed way to get a user object.
> >
> > I thought that was just for DTML? Thats inside
> > /AccessControl/DTML.py...
> > This is a Zope product.
> >
> > Hmm I tried
> >
> >         s = getSecurityManager()
> >         for p in ['Foo',]:
> >             print s.checkPermission(p, parent)
> >
> > and still get 1 for everyting. I would have thought as a
> > default I would get
> > 0 at the least. Oh this is weird.
> >
> > Cheers.
> > --
> >   Andy McKay.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Drees" <drees@the-bridge.net>
> > To: "Andy McKay" <andym@activestate.com>; <zope@zope.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:06 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Zope] Getting user permissions
> >
> >
> > > >         user = self.REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER']
> > > >         for p in ['Foo',]:
> > > >             print user.has_permission(p, parent)
> > >
> > >
> > > SecurityGetUser is the blessed way to get a user object.
> > > > I get 1 for everything. Is has_permission the correct call?
> > >
> > > That I'm not sure of.
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
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> >
>
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>



From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Wed May 16 22:57:38 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:57:38 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Parsed XML build error
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B31A@desi2>

I have this same problem on my Debian boxes, but everythin works on a
Mandrake 7.1 box, which is where I compile ParsedXML usually.... Thoughts as
to why??

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Moore [mailto:tmoore@tembel.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:52 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] Parsed XML build error


I'm trying to build the Expat library as part of the ParsedXML product
install.  This with Zope 2.3.2 on Linux.  Here's what I run:

cd /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/Products/ParsedXML/Expat
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/bin/python setup.py

It seems to get through the confugure step ok, but then it fails
somewhere during make:

make -f ./Makefile.pre.in VPATH=. srcdir=. \
        VERSION=$VERSION \
        installdir=$installdir \
        exec_installdir=$exec_installdir \
        Makefile
make[1]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/Products/ParsedXML/Expat'
make[1]: *** No rule to make target
`/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python1.5/config/Makefile', needed by
`sedscript'.  Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2/lib/python/Products/ParsedXML/Expat'
make: *** [boot] Error 2

Any clues?  I thought this was supposed to be pretty straightforward
:-(
-- 
Tim Moore

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From vgimeno@seguridata.com  Wed May 16 23:57:40 2001
From: vgimeno@seguridata.com (Victor Gimeno)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:57:40 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Inserting to a BLOB field
In-Reply-To: <001201c0de50$4d781840$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <MFELIPAGEMCGLAAMHHMHCEMLCIAA.vgimeno@seguridata.com>

Hello :

I´m using gvibDA to use Interbase, and every thing was fine until now.

I have to insert a long text inside a BLOB field.

The text is capture inside a HTML form and then it is send to my Z SQL
method.


Some body have an idea how to do the INSERT.

Thanks

Victor Gimeno



From wittern@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp  Thu May 17 01:33:08 2001
From: wittern@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Christian Wittern)
Date: 17 May 2001 09:33:08 +0900
Subject: [Zope] Parsed XML build error
In-Reply-To: sean.upton@uniontrib.com's message of "Wed, 16 May 2001 14:57:38 -0700"
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B31A@desi2>
Message-ID: <u3da4stkr.fsf@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp>

sean.upton@uniontrib.com writes:

> I have this same problem on my Debian boxes, but everythin works on a
> Mandrake 7.1 box, which is where I compile ParsedXML usually.... Thoughts as
> to why??
> 

On Debian, you need the python-dev package to compile this
successfully

All the best,

Chris

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From dandraka@nuclear.ntua.gr  Thu May 17 01:43:39 2001
From: dandraka@nuclear.ntua.gr (Dimitris Andrakakis)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 03:43:39 +0300
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
References: <OE312pJZa0ROZEOD8f800000da3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <014301c0de6a$6b0fa160$195dfbd4@webdomain.gr>

> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> running?

Ok, I've GOT to say my story here... it might as well have been written
in "Murphy's law".

Scene last year. Site under delopment, RH 6.1 + Zope 2.1.4 + Apache
(don't remember ver.) + MySQL (same). Our PII stayed up straight from
April to mid-July. NO shutdowns, NO reboots. In otherwords, no downtime.

Then the site is ready. Final tests, checking for any mistakes, all is well.
"Let's go and tell the vice-rector" (a university site that is). So here we
are, us two webmasters and a commitee of 3 professors. And the vice
rector opens his Netscape, keys in the url, and clicks once.

He only clicked once. No answer. Nothing.

&^%*&%&*^%&^%&^%&$%&*^% A COMPUTER RUNNING
PERFECTLY FOR ALMOST FOUR MONTHS, CRASHED (*totally*
crashed and had to be *rebooted* !) AT THE FIRST CLICK OF
THE VICE RECTOR !!!!!!!!!!! &*^%&*^%&*^%*&^%*&^%&*^%

My 10 drachmas.
Dimitris @ Nuclear




From leighann@onebox.com  Thu May 17 05:32:08 2001
From: leighann@onebox.com (Leigh Ann Hildebrand)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:32:08 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Users editing properties -- howto?
Message-ID: <20010517043208.QICW10107.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com>

Some background: I'm using Zope to create and manage an internal document
library for engineers and developers. Because of the circumstances, website
security isn't an issue; I don't have to require logins for users. I
work in dtml only right now -- no python. I have only been doing so for
a couple of weeks. I'm not a programmer. (Translation: use small words
and don't assume I know how to do basic things yet!)

I've been asked to implement a keyword indexing/search feature. Documents
are currently represented by dtml documents, with a "keywords" property
of the type "tokens". I'm listing the keywords at the top of documents,
by referencing <dtml-var keywords>. 

I'd like for users to be able to use an "Add" feature to add a keyword
to a document if they feel one is missing. That would involve an "Add
keyword?" link, I guess. The result would be that the keyword property
for that document would be modified. 

Can anyone offer suggestions/examples for doing this? Are there problems
with it? (Other than the problems with keyword indexing in general, please.)
Is there some more elegant way to handle this, that I, as a non-python
person Zope newbie, could handle? 

Thanks!

Leigh Ann

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From danny@adair.net  Thu May 17 06:00:40 2001
From: danny@adair.net (Danny William Adair)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:00:40 +1200
Subject: [Zope] bug in ZClasses: Folderish ZClass shows wrong "subobjects"
 meta_types
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010517163454.00a8dfb8@getmail.adair.net>

Hi!

For my folderish ZClass I find "subobjects" in the management screen to 
determine which objects are allowed to be added inside my ObjectManager. 
The "subobjects" tab shows me a list of meta_types to choose from, so that 
I can make sure I don't get a "the object xyz doesn' t support this 
operation" when creating/pasting objects of that metatype.

But the list is faulty! :-o

:-o

1) Created folderish ZClass "Universe" ,metatype "Hello Universe"
2) Created folderish ZClass "World" ,metatype "World"
3) Added "World" to the allowed subobjects list of "Universe"

That's ok. Works as expected. Now let's say I find out that "World" is a 
bad meta_type (there can be several reasons for this, for example someone 
else has just released a wonderful product, which instantiates "World" objects)

Now...

4) Changed the metatype of ZClass "World" to "Hello World"
5) Damn, *now I can't add any World instances in my Universe instances 
anymore* :-(
     So, then Universe's "allowed subobjects" list wasn't adjusted 
automatically... mmmh, ok. Then I' ll do it manually.
6) Right, go to ZClass "Universe" and look under subobjects to correct the 
entry...

Boing!

I only find "World" in the list, although this metatype shouldn' t exist 
anymore. But I can' t find the new metatype, "Hello World", and so I will 
never ever again be able to add them in a Universe instance. Can anyone 
reproduce this misbehavior?

Now, how can I fix this once it has happened? I love "Hello World" and I 
hate "World", so how can I get it back?
My first attempt was to rename the ZClasses and add new ones... bang.

"The permission Add Hello Worlds is already defined."
Ok, break, this will get way to complicated...

So then, I would call this a bug in ZClasses, can somebody confirm this?

     def possible_meta_types(self):
         return self.aq_acquire('_product_meta_types')+Products.meta_types

This is what the management screen calls to show me the wrong list, maybe 
someone knows what's happening here and how to fix this?

tia,
Danny

P.S.:
- Zope 2.3.2 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86) , Python 1.52
- yes I flushed cache, packed db and restarted zope in between



From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Thu May 17 06:20:45 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:20:45 +0800
Subject: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
In-Reply-To: <017201c0de22$6d780390$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMMEEFEBAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

how do i go with that?

do i copy that to a file then run it as root or something?

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Chris
> McDonough
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:08 AM
> To: sean.upton@uniontrib.com; anthony@interlink.com.au
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
>
>
> No.  You'd need ZEO for that.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sean.upton@uniontrib.com>
> To: <chrism@digicool.com>; <anthony@interlink.com.au>
> Cc: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:51 AM
> Subject: RE: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
>
>
> > and this can be done with Zope running, and the ODB being used?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:02 PM
> > To: anthony@interlink.com.au
> > Cc: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] packing a data.fs from outside zope?
> >
> >
> > Here ya go, Anthony (untested, but I'm feeling confident tonight ;-):
> >
> > from ZODB.DB import DB
> > from ZODB.FileStorage import FileStorage
> > s = FileStorage('Data.fs')
> > db = DB(s)
> > db.pack()
> > db.close()
> >
> >
> >
> > Anthony Baxter wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't suppose anyone's produced a nice convenient "pack a
> data.fs file"
> > > script that's runnable from outside Zope?
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
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From itai@optusnet.com.au  Thu May 17 07:15:41 2001
From: itai@optusnet.com.au (Itai Tavor)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:15:41 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Management interfaces for ZPatterns applications
Message-ID: <p05010400b72913634d55@[10.0.1.4]>

Hi,

I'm struggling with finding the best way to implement a management 
interface for a ZPatterns-based application. In the past I've 
implemented a custom interface for every application, but to keep my 
current project simple, I'd like to take advantage of the existing 
management interface. Problem is, it's not easy.

First, the manageInstances_html methods of my Specialists need to be 
integrated into the management tabs. But /manage on a Specialist 
gives me the standard Specialist management tabs, so I would have to 
create a custom Specialist-subclassed Product for every Specialist, 
just to add in my own tabs.

Second, I can't get the tabs_path to show anything useful. My 
management links use absolute_url. So if, for example, I'm viewing a 
Task at /my_site/Tasks/123/manage_edit and I click on a subtask link, 
I get /my_site/Subtasks/456/manage_edit - so the tabs_path doesn't 
show the object's context. If I avoid using absolute_url, in the same 
case I would get /my_site/Tasks/123/Subtasks/456/manage_edit, which 
is a bit more useful but also ugly and confusing.

So, what does this leave me with? Create a Python Product for the top 
level of the application and for every Specialist that needs to 
display a UI for the classes it manages. Then, override 
tabs_path_default with a method that somehow figures out the right 
path to display. And how would that work? I still think management 
links should use absolute urls, so I need to somehow build the path 
back from the displayed object, without relying on the traversal 
path. I could get every object supply a parent_id, then I would have 
to scan all the Specialists to find that parent, display it, and go 
on to locate its parent. KISS goes out the window.

Can anyone throw some ideas on how to simplify this mess? I'm 
starting to think my life would be a lot easier if I didn't use 
ZPatterns and just used object managers to store contained objects... 
but I don't want to give up ZPatterns yet...

TIA, Itai
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From joe@LADWP.net  Thu May 17 08:00:06 2001
From: joe@LADWP.net (Joe Copeland)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:00:06 -0700
Subject: [Zope] FSPoll
Message-ID: <00fa01c0de9f$014a8080$0a01a8c0@joecopeland.net>

I think the FSPoll product is a neat idea but I can't find any documentation
on how to use it properly.  I installed in on my system with a little moving
of the files since the tar build is kind of messed up.

Anyway, I'm just trying to figure out What the relationship of the FS Poll
folder is supposed to be in relationship with the questions and the answers.

-- Joe



From joe@LADWP.net  Thu May 17 08:44:52 2001
From: joe@LADWP.net (Joe Copeland)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:44:52 -0700
Subject: [Zope] FSPoll question #2
Message-ID: <010401c0dea5$41eb8ca0$0a01a8c0@joecopeland.net>

I was wondering how you would structure the DTML code to create a FSPoll
exactly like the one on the zopezen.org site.  The HTML code shows this poll
is in a little table.  I'm having a tough time figuring out how to call the
poll using DTML.

I'm just learning so please forgive my ignorance.  I tried a bunch of
combinations of the dtml-var tag and the dtml-with tag.  I think what
stumbling me is the URL format.  You have to call up the question and then
vote_small_html to display it in HTML.  The URL is like
..question/vote_small_html.

-- Joe





From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 17 08:37:37 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:37:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Users editing properties -- howto?
In-Reply-To: <20010517043208.QICW10107.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com>
References: <20010517043208.QICW10107.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com>
Message-ID: <3895455.990092256@BUZZER>

Hi Leigh Ann,

first of all, what you want to do is not so hard as it might
look like at first. However, it requires some steps which
to describe in depth is not done in a few words in a mail.

So I can only point you in the direction.

If you dont want to have logins, you can either give the annoymous
user the right to change Properties and such or give the DTML Methods
the proxy role to do so (this is better)

You need some basic forms to edit the properties.

Your objects have methods to manipulate their properties like that:

manage_addProperty(id,value,type)

where id is the name of the property you want to create, value is
obviously the value and type is what you can select on the management-
interface (look there)

manage_changeProperties(REQUEST)

this changes the value of some properties which are already created and
which have matching values in the REQUEST

The values can get into the REQUEST object either by a form:

<input type="string" name="mynumber:int">

would result in an integer value assigned to the name "mynumber"
in REQUEST.
If you habe a property with this name, the above method would assign
the value to it.

You can also use manage_changeProperties(mynumber=5)
instead of this.


To search in your objects you could use the ZCatalog.
I believe this is all covered in the zope-book much
better then I would be able to do it here in the mail so
please look there.

See http://zdp.zope.org/ for more info.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain


--On Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2001 21:32 -0700 Leigh Ann Hildebrand 
<leighann@onebox.com> wrote:

> Some background: I'm using Zope to create and manage an internal document
> library for engineers and developers. Because of the circumstances,
> website security isn't an issue; I don't have to require logins for
> users. I work in dtml only right now -- no python. I have only been doing
> so for a couple of weeks. I'm not a programmer. (Translation: use small
> words and don't assume I know how to do basic things yet!)
>
> I've been asked to implement a keyword indexing/search feature. Documents
> are currently represented by dtml documents, with a "keywords" property
> of the type "tokens". I'm listing the keywords at the top of documents,
> by referencing <dtml-var keywords>.
>
> I'd like for users to be able to use an "Add" feature to add a keyword
> to a document if they feel one is missing. That would involve an "Add
> keyword?" link, I guess. The result would be that the keyword property
> for that document would be modified.
>
> Can anyone offer suggestions/examples for doing this? Are there problems
> with it? (Other than the problems with keyword indexing in general,
> please.) Is there some more elegant way to handle this, that I, as a
> non-python person Zope newbie, could handle?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Leigh Ann
>
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>
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From sbergmann@weblog.de  Thu May 17 08:52:40 2001
From: sbergmann@weblog.de (sbergmann@weblog.de)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:52:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZMySqlDA
Message-ID: <OF5147C761.F23C958C-ONC1256A4F.0027828C@weblog.de>

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Does anybody know where the ZMySQLDA including mysqldb in one bundle?
I downloaded it on Monday from zope.org but today I can=B4t  find it.
There is only ZMySQLDA 2.0.6 without mysqldb.
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 including mysqldb in one bundle?</font>
<br><font size=3D2 face=3D"sans-serif">I downloaded it on Monday from zope.=
org but today I can=B4t &nbsp;find it.</font>
<br><font size=3D2 face=3D"sans-serif">There is only ZMySQLDA 2.0.6 without=
 mysqldb.</font>
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From Jean@mosaicsoftware.com  Thu May 17 09:08:20 2001
From: Jean@mosaicsoftware.com (Jean Jordaan)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:08:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] re: longest running Zope
Message-ID: <C8B0B2010780F1439E5DAB4FF7DFFFD91CAAA1@za-exchange.za.mosaicsoftware.net>

> What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> running?

I don't think this should count for much, but I installed Zope on NT
roundabout last July on a server here, and a division of say 15 people
have been using it to zwiki ever since. That server is being rebuilt=20
now, so I move across the Zope installation to another one. That's=20
the first maintenance I've had to do in more than nine months :)

I don't suppose the original machine has been running perfectly=20
uninteruptedly. Zope's running as a service and just stands up again.=20

--=20
Jean Jordaan   --    technical writer    --    Mosaic Software


From tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk  Thu May 17 09:15:35 2001
From: tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk (Tony McDonald)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:15:35 +0100
Subject: [Zope] ZMySqlDA
In-Reply-To: <OF5147C761.F23C958C-ONC1256A4F.0027828C@weblog.de>
Message-ID: <B7294736.81CB%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>

On 17/5/01 8:52 am, "sbergmann@weblog.de" <sbergmann@weblog.de> wrote:

> Does anybody know where the ZMySQLDA including mysqldb in one bundle?
> I downloaded it on Monday from zope.org but today I can=B4t  find it.
> There is only ZMySQLDA 2.0.6 without mysqldb.

dustman.net

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From Jan Sew" <esolutions@gmx.net  Thu May 17 09:30:23 2001
From: Jan Sew" <esolutions@gmx.net (Jan Sew)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:30:23 +0200
Subject: [Zope] switching language in nav-bar and wysiwyg
Message-ID: <001101c0deab$d4db7560$010aa8c0@uhxk>

hello,

can anyone offer an implementation for deciding between different languages
in a navigation bar thus changing navigation bar entries and picking
different (e.g. pages in spanish instead of english language) content
referenced by the entries?

besides i would need a kind of wysiwyg-editor that can be integrated into
zope. any ideas?

thanks a lot,

jan



From andres.punning@ksk.edu.ee  Thu May 17 09:15:06 2001
From: andres.punning@ksk.edu.ee (Punn)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:15:06 +0300
Subject: [Zope] Security problem
Message-ID: <001901c0dea9$7be023e0$0900a8c0@ksk>

Hello,

I am newbie.

My Zope security works in a strange way:
The security tab says as follows:
When the Acquire permission settings checkbox is selected
then the containing objects's permission settings are used.

It took me some time to understand, that
the settings are USED, when the Acquire permission settings checkbox is
UNchecked.
All checked settings are ignored.

For example, if I want to prevent Anonymous user seeing something,
I must uncheck in the View row  "Acquire permission setting" and "Anonymous
user" columns.

What is wrong?

Zope Version:  Zope 2.3.1 (binary release, python 1.5.2, linux2-x86)
Python Version:  1.5.2 (#10, Dec 6 1999, 12:16:27) [GCC 2.7.2.3]
System Platform:  linux2


Andres Punning




From Kuno.Ammann@comit.ch  Thu May 17 10:10:46 2001
From: Kuno.Ammann@comit.ch (KunoAmmann)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:10:46 -0000
Subject: [Zope] helpsys: online help login problem
Message-ID: <9e04im+7e0u@eGroups.com>

sorry for this basic question but i can not manage to log me into the 
online help system of zope.
the left frame with the topic directory shows up but when i try to 
click any topic link it ask me for http login and then replies 
Authorization 
failed.
i tried as the admin user which is managing zope or as a new user at 
the root level with the role owner.

thanks for any help
kuno



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 17 10:14:26 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:14:26 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??
References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010516120348.00a64038@192.168.0.99> <3B025347.22CBBF54@nipltd.com> <008001c0de27$5f26c100$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <3B039672.32E711DD@nipltd.com>

Andy McKay wrote:
> 
> Have a look at http://www.zopezen.org/links for some sites built in Zope,
> http://www.activestate.com/ASPN is one Im kinda proud of :)

I dunno, I've heard bad things about Active State, particularly that dodgy McKay
fellow ;-)

*grinz*

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 17 10:18:11 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:18:11 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
References: <web-4377284@zipmail.com> <02cb01c0de3c$c2fba690$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <3B039753.B8DA3A35@nipltd.com>

Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> > And any changes in ZCatalog that solve tha accentuation
> > problem???
> 
> What's the "accentuation problem"?

He probably means the splitter doing stupid things with accentuated
characters...

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 17 10:20:14 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:20:14 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Getting user permissions
References: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE04226A@sammamish-dc.spoke.net> <030f01c0de3e$7c67cd10$8e17a8c0@kurtz> <001201c0de50$4d781840$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <3B0397CE.66909FB4@nipltd.com>

Andy McKay wrote:
> 
> Yep. The result is the same and its caused by Manager being the default role
> for any permission.

I think Brian may have fixed this in CVS, but report it anyway, 'cos it might be
somethign different
(I reported that 'Manager' is always checked on the Security tab, which is
wrong)

cheers,

Chris


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Thu May 17 10:30:48 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:30:48 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??
References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010516120348.00a64038@192.168.0.99> <3B025347.22CBBF54@nipltd.com> <008001c0de27$5f26c100$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <3B039672.32E711DD@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <03e801c0deb4$40fa29f0$5c773fc1@media1>

I used to live by someone named Andy McKay, notorious car thief, deported to
the States if I recall correctly ;)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "Andy McKay" <andym@ActiveState.com>
Cc: "Jawad" <jawad@shebaak.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??


> Andy McKay wrote:
> >
> > Have a look at http://www.zopezen.org/links for some sites built in
Zope,
> > http://www.activestate.com/ASPN is one Im kinda proud of :)
>
> I dunno, I've heard bad things about Active State, particularly that dodgy
McKay
> fellow ;-)
>
> *grinz*
>
> Chris
>
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From igor@emun.com  Thu May 17 10:20:46 2001
From: igor@emun.com (Igor Leturia)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:20:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope log in too slow in local network
Message-ID: <005e01c0deb2$a80f64e0$1600000a@emun22>

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  I'm new with Zope, I just downloaded and installed it yesterday. But =
I've got a problem: I installed Zope in my local network's server, which =
runs on Windows 2000 server, as a service; when I go to another =
computer, open the navigator and type http://localhost:8080/manage, I =
have to wait for more than a minute till it asks my username and =
password; after that it works fine and very fast, but I think the =
waiting time at the beginning is not normal and I want to fix that.

  I think that the problem might be that it starts finding the address =
in the internet, and when that fails (after a minute) it tries on the =
local network. How can I fix this? The server with Zope is a Windows =
2000 Server, but the computer connected to the internet is a Windows 98 =
with a gateway installed.=20

  Thanks in advance,

                Igor

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From gitte@mmmanager.org  Thu May 17 10:29:36 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:29:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Splitting a datetime string into a date string and a time string
Message-ID: <01051711293603.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I have a small problem:
In my database I have a datetime field.
Now I need to split the content of that field into a date string and a time 
string with these formats:
date: YYYY/MM/DD
time: HH:MM:SS

How do I do that?

Another thing:
I also need to remove / : and spaces from the datetime string.

How ?

Regards
-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From rhess@bic.ch  Thu May 17 10:50:55 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:50:55 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Users editing properties -- howto?
References: <20010517043208.QICW10107.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com>
Message-ID: <3B039EFF.CB6BC2B9@bic.ch>

Leigh Ann Hildebrand wrote:
> 
> Some background: I'm using Zope to create and manage an internal document
> library for engineers and developers. Because of the circumstances, website
> security isn't an issue; I don't have to require logins for users. I
> work in dtml only right now -- no python. I have only been doing so for
> a couple of weeks. I'm not a programmer. (Translation: use small words
> and don't assume I know how to do basic things yet!)
> 
> I've been asked to implement a keyword indexing/search feature. Documents
> are currently represented by dtml documents, with a "keywords" property
> of the type "tokens". I'm listing the keywords at the top of documents,
> by referencing <dtml-var keywords>.
> 
> I'd like for users to be able to use an "Add" feature to add a keyword
> to a document if they feel one is missing. That would involve an "Add
> keyword?" link, I guess. The result would be that the keyword property
> for that document would be modified.
> 
> Can anyone offer suggestions/examples for doing this? Are there problems
> with it? (Other than the problems with keyword indexing in general, please.)
> Is there some more elegant way to handle this, that I, as a non-python
> person Zope newbie, could handle?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Leigh Ann
> 
Hi Ann

This is not an answer quite to your topic. However, it might be
interesting for you anyway.

We started to use in our place internally something similar and we use
the CMF product for it (Zope 2.3.2 amd CMF 1.0). CMF works with a set of
metadata for each document (according to the Dublin Core Specification)
and we use one of those fields, *subject* as the key to categorize the
documents and files, that a user is uploading.

There is a simple default workflow built in, which forces any member to
submit his *to be published content* to a *reviewer*, who checks it and
then publishes it. However, if you don't want that step, you can easily
give everyone the role of a *reviewer* and thus the possibilty to
publish without a foregoing review step by another person.

On the entry page of the CMF you can put canned queryies (hand-crafted
or using the *topic* portal type) for all the subject keywords, which
any user writes into the metadata subject field of a document. This way,
the whole categorizing is steered by what the users give as keywords in
the subject field, without the necessity of intervention by third
parties (you may like to organize internally some house-keeping in
regard to what keywords are valid or not).

You can then easily get an always actual list of existing keywords in
the subject field by something like::

<h4>Until now, there are documents under the following topics:</h4>
<ul>
  <dtml-in expr="portal_catalog.uniqueValuesFor( 'Subject' )">

    <li>
    <font size="-1">
      <a
href="/Portal/search?Subject%3Atokens=&dtml-sequence-item;">&dtml-sequence-item;</a>
    </font>
    </li>

  </dtml-in>
</ul>

The CMF is developing quite fast at the moment and has it's own site:
http://cmf.zope.org/
and mailing list (look for the mailing-list listing on zope.org under
*ressources*).


There is another product called *Document Library*. I didn't it try out
yet (though will hopefully shortly). It doesn't require the CMF (so,
it's on top of Zope alone) and might be interesting for you as well. It
is quite new (the 0.1 alpha came out on the 4th of May). The URL is:
http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/DocumentLibrary

Have fun, while exploring :-)

--Flynt


From sbergmann@weblog.de  Thu May 17 11:23:11 2001
From: sbergmann@weblog.de (sbergmann@weblog.de)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:23:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZMySqlDA Error
Message-ID: <OFA4A4030E.1277FED5-ONC1256A4F.003891AC@weblog.de>

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I have just installed the ZMySqlDA 2.0.6 and mysqldb. Everything ist 
alright, the new Product is availible in ZOPE.
But when I want to add a new connection in ZOPE  I always get the Error 
with the Error Type: Attribute error and the Error Value: 
server_capabilities
in db.py.
MySQL runs well. What could be the problem? 
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I have just installed the ZMySqlDA 2.0.6 and mysqldb. Everything ist alright, the new Product is availible in ZOPE.</font>
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From rogerlam@kingscyber.net  Thu May 17 11:25:46 2001
From: rogerlam@kingscyber.net (Roger Lam)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:25:46 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Problem: Accessing ZClass propertysheet properties
Message-ID: <000d01c0debb$c000c360$0c00130a@ghost>

I followed an sample from "Chapter 12: Extending Zope" of Zope Book
however the following pythonscripts didn't work.

==================================================
        ## Script (Python) "isHungry"
        ##
        """
        Returns true if the animal hasn't eaten in over 8 hours
        """
        from DateTime import DateTime
        if (DateTime().timeTime() 
            - self.last_meal_time.timeTime() >  60 * 60 * 8):
            return 1
        else:
            return 0
==================================================

The problem: "self" not found!
I've tried "container", "context" and other possible mixes and still
don't have any clue to get it work.

Please help.

Thank you.

Roger.




From tim@freepm.org  Thu May 17 11:45:49 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 05:45:49 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zope on Big Iron
Message-ID: <3B03ABDD.516943AC@iswt.com>

http://32.97.40.47:8080/

An IBM S/390 makes a heck of a web server. <s>

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From salmonNOSPAM@reksoft.ru  Thu May 17 11:58:32 2001
From: salmonNOSPAM@reksoft.ru (Alexander A. Chistyakov)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:58:32 +0400
Subject: [Zope] Problems when upgrading Zope from 2.2.2 to 2.3.2 on FreeBSD
Message-ID: <NEBBKDGKLJPEIJKEEFHMEEJMDFAA.salmonNOSPAM@reksoft.ru>

Hi!

I've experienced troubles when upgrading Zope from 2.2.2 to 2.3.2 on FreeBSD.

My current production system is (from Zope Control Panel):

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Zope version: Zope 2.2.2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
Python version: 1.5.2 (#2, Jul 7 2000, 20:22:51) [GCC 2.7.2.3]
System Platform: freebsd3
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've tried to build Zope 2.3.2 from sources. I've got the following output when I started Zope instance after building it:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
bash-2.03# uname -a
FreeBSD XXX.XXXXXXX.ru 3.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE #0: Tue Jun 20 18:26:23 GMT 2000
XXXX@XXX.XXXXXXX.ru:/usr/src/sys/compile/FIREBALL  i386
bash-2.03#
bash-2.03# python --version
Python 1.5.2 (#2, Jul  7 2000, 20:22:51)  [GCC 2.7.2.3] on freebsd3
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
>>>
bash-2.03# pwd
/home/Zope-2.3.2-src
bash-2.03# ./start
------
2001-05-16T13:55:16 PANIC(300) z2 Startup exception
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/z2.py, line 566, in ?
  File <string>, line 1, in ?
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 95, in ?
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/OFS/Application.py, line 91, in ?
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/App/Product.py, line 111, in ?
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/__init__.py, line 20, in ?
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/ZClass.py, line 88, in ?
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/Method.py, line 97, in ?
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/__init__.py, line 89, in ?
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/PythonScript.py, line 96, in ?
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Guarded.py, line 88, in ?
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbytecodehacks/VSExec.py, line 42, in ?
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbytecodehacks/ops.py, line 5, in ?
  File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbytecodehacks/opbases.py, line 1, in ?
ImportError: No module named new


bash-2.03#
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm not Python programmer but I think "new" is not module name in this context. I can't locate neither new.py nor new.pyc at my
Python installation.

What is the root of problem and what should I do to fix it?

Thanks in advance.

--
Sincerely yours,
Alexander A. Chistyakov



From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 17 12:00:17 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:00:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Splitting a datetime string into a date string and a
 time string
In-Reply-To: <01051711293603.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <01051711293603.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <16056074.990104417@BUZZER>

Hi Gitte,

assuming you only want to display the date,
you could use the fmt-attribute of the dtml-var tag.
<dtml-var YourDate fmt="%Y %m %d">
<dtml-var YourDate fmt="%H:%M:%S">

You can also use:

<dtml-var "YourDate.strftime('%Y %m %d')"> respectively.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain
--On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 11:29 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a small problem:
> In my database I have a datetime field.
> Now I need to split the content of that field into a date string and a
> time  string with these formats:
> date: YYYY/MM/DD
> time: HH:MM:SS
>
> How do I do that?
>
> Another thing:
> I also need to remove / : and spaces from the datetime string.
>
> How ?
>
> Regards
> --
> ************************
> Gitte Wange Jensen
>
> System Squid Developer
> MMManager Aps
> +45 29 72 79 72
>
> gitte@mmmanager.org
> ************************
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From afterz@zipmail.com  Thu May 17 13:44:35 2001
From: afterz@zipmail.com (After Dark)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:44:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
In-Reply-To: <3B039753.B8DA3A35@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <web-4407507@zipmail.com>

ZCatalog indexes words with accentuation, when made a search
without the accent it doesn't bring the accentuated word.

Example:
         search: top --> three results.
         search: tóp --> ten results.

Solutions???

Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> wrote:
>Chris McDonough wrote:
>> 
>> > And any changes in ZCatalog that solve tha
>accentuation
>> > problem???
>> 
>> What's the "accentuation problem"?
>
>He probably means the splitter doing stupid things with
>accentuated
>characters...
>
>cheers,
>
>Chris

--
--Ricardo Kohler
          Costa
________________________________________________
Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Thu May 17 13:48:38 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:48:38 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Splitting a datetime string into a date string and a time string
In-Reply-To: <16056074.990104417@BUZZER>
References: <01051711293603.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <16056074.990104417@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <01051714483804.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Well I don't know much about it but I'm learning :-)

I guess if I do something like:
<dtml-var StartDate fmt="%Y/%m/&d">
<dtml-var StartTime fmt="%H:%M:%S">

That will do the displaying.

But how do I then make a string (need to use it in a filename) that looks 
like: YYYYMMDDHHMMSS
?

Regards
Gitte Wange

On Thursday 17 May 2001 13:00, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> Hi Gitte,
>
> assuming you only want to display the date,
> you could use the fmt-attribute of the dtml-var tag.
> <dtml-var YourDate fmt="%Y %m %d">
> <dtml-var YourDate fmt="%H:%M:%S">
>
> You can also use:
>
> <dtml-var "YourDate.strftime('%Y %m %d')"> respectively.
>
> HTH
> Tino Wildenhain
> --On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 11:29 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org>
>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a small problem:
> > In my database I have a datetime field.
> > Now I need to split the content of that field into a date string and a
> > time  string with these formats:
> > date: YYYY/MM/DD
> > time: HH:MM:SS
> >
> > How do I do that?
> >
> > Another thing:
> > I also need to remove / : and spaces from the datetime string.
> >
> > How ?
> >
> > Regards
> > --
> > ************************
> > Gitte Wange Jensen
> >
> > System Squid Developer
> > MMManager Aps
> > +45 29 72 79 72
> >
> > gitte@mmmanager.org
> > ************************
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 17 13:54:34 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:54:34 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
References: <web-4407507@zipmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B03CA0A.6D24FE7@digicool.com>

After Dark wrote:
> 
> ZCatalog indexes words with accentuation, when made a search
> without the accent it doesn't bring the accentuated word.
> 
> Example:
>          search: top --> three results.
>          search: tóp --> ten results.
> 
> Solutions???

None right now that don't involve programming, sorry...


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Thu May 17 13:53:51 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:53:51 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
References: <web-4407507@zipmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c0ded0$6cdfe430$5c773fc1@media1>

Why should it bring back both?

Surely they are different words?

----- Original Message -----
From: "After Dark" <afterz@zipmail.com>
To: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>; "Chris McDonough"
<chrism@digicool.com>
Cc: "Casey Duncan" <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version


> ZCatalog indexes words with accentuation, when made a search
> without the accent it doesn't bring the accentuated word.
>
> Example:
>          search: top --> three results.
>          search: t=F3p --> ten results.
>
> Solutions???
>
> Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> wrote:
> >Chris McDonough wrote:
> >>
> >> > And any changes in ZCatalog that solve tha
> >accentuation
> >> > problem???
> >>
> >> What's the "accentuation problem"?
> >
> >He probably means the splitter doing stupid things with
> >accentuated
> >characters...
> >
> >cheers,
> >
> >Chris
>
> --
> --Ricardo Kohler
>           Costa
> ________________________________________________
> Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Thu May 17 14:02:24 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:02:24 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Splitting a datetime string into a date string and a time string
In-Reply-To: <16056074.990104417@BUZZER>
References: <01051711293603.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <16056074.990104417@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <01051715022405.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Thursday 17 May 2001 13:00, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> Hi Gitte,
>
> assuming you only want to display the date,
> you could use the fmt-attribute of the dtml-var tag.
> <dtml-var YourDate fmt="%Y %m %d">
> <dtml-var YourDate fmt="%H:%M:%S">
>
> You can also use:
>
> <dtml-var "YourDate.strftime('%Y %m %d')"> respectively.

Well when I try this, I get this error:

Zope Error

Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.

Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: 'string' object has no attribute 'strftime'

I also tried the other solution, but I got an error saying that the Y wasn't 
a known format type.

Anyone who can help me ?

Regards
Gitte Wange

>
> HTH
> Tino Wildenhain
> --On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 11:29 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org>
>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a small problem:
> > In my database I have a datetime field.
> > Now I need to split the content of that field into a date string and a
> > time  string with these formats:
> > date: YYYY/MM/DD
> > time: HH:MM:SS
> >
> > How do I do that?
> >
> > Another thing:
> > I also need to remove / : and spaces from the datetime string.
> >
> > How ?
> >
> > Regards
> > --
> > ************************
> > Gitte Wange Jensen
> >
> > System Squid Developer
> > MMManager Aps
> > +45 29 72 79 72
> >
> > gitte@mmmanager.org
> > ************************
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From domingues@came.sbg.ac.at  Thu May 17 14:12:36 2001
From: domingues@came.sbg.ac.at (Francisco Silva Domingues)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:12:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] problem with PIL .save
Message-ID: <01051715123601.00500@eva>

Hi,

We have Zope 2.3.1 installed, running with Python 1.5.2, and 
python image library 1.1.1, on a PC with SUSE Linux  7.1.

When we run the following code from python we have no prob,
we get the rectangle image file img.png, and we also see it
in xv according to the im.show()

    import Image, ImageDraw
    im = Image.new("RGB",(200,200))
    draw = ImageDraw.Draw(im)
    draw.rectangle((10,10,100,150), fill=(255,255,255))
    del draw
    im.show()
    im.save("/usr/tmp/img.png","PNG")

Now the problem is when we use the same code in a python external
method called from zope. we get the following error:


Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: _save

...
/db1/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/Extensions/feature_view.py, line 114, in 
draw_segment
  File /usr/local/lib/python1.5/site-packages/PIL/Image.py, line 674, in save
  File /usr/local/lib/python1.5/site-packages/PIL/PngImagePlugin.py, line 
410, in _save
AttributeError: (see above)

feature_view.py, line 114 corresponds to the im.save line

The funny thing is that a img.png file is saved to disk, but is corrupted, 
but we still  can see the correct image from xv, according to the  im.show() 
call.

Any idea on what the prob might be??

Thanks
Francisco
Andreas


From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 17 14:27:30 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:27:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] switching language in nav-bar and wysiwyg
Message-ID: <24891055.990113250@localhost>

Hi Jan,

for a first shot you might want to look at the vary-tag.
http://www.zope.org/Members/tino/

However, to integrate it better into Zope and solve the
unicode-issue and so on, there is an effort already.

See also: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/HTTPContentNegotiation

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 10:30 +0200 Jan Sew <esolutions@gmx.net> 
wrote:

> hello,
>
> can anyone offer an implementation for deciding between different
> languages in a navigation bar thus changing navigation bar entries and
> picking different (e.g. pages in spanish instead of english language)
> content referenced by the entries?
>
> besides i would need a kind of wysiwyg-editor that can be integrated into
> zope. any ideas?
>
> thanks a lot,
>
> jan
>
>
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 17 14:50:58 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:50:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Splitting a datetime string into a date string and a
 time string
In-Reply-To: <01051715022405.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <01051715022405.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <26297269.990114658@BUZZER>

Hi Gitte,

obviously you have to have DateTime objects to manipulate
with them. If you convert them to strings beforehand you
are not able to use their methods later :)

If its a DateTime field in your database and not a
string field, the result must be a DateTime object
with all its methods, including strftime()
If not, you have to instantiate a DateTime object from
string like this: DateTime(date_time_as_string)

What are you doing with filenames in DTML anyway?
If you mean object IDs, you can construct it like this:

<dtml-let objID="_.DateTime(time_as_string).strftime('%Y%m%d')">
<dtml-var objID>
</dtml-let>

Omit this DateTime instantiation if you have a real datetime-object
from your database as it should be.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain


--On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 15:02 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> 
wrote:

> On Thursday 17 May 2001 13:00, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
>> Hi Gitte,
>>
>> assuming you only want to display the date,
>> you could use the fmt-attribute of the dtml-var tag.
>> <dtml-var YourDate fmt="%Y %m %d">
>> <dtml-var YourDate fmt="%H:%M:%S">
>>
>> You can also use:
>>
>> <dtml-var "YourDate.strftime('%Y %m %d')"> respectively.
>
> Well when I try this, I get this error:
>
> Zope Error
>
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
>
> Error Type: AttributeError
> Error Value: 'string' object has no attribute 'strftime'
>
> I also tried the other solution, but I got an error saying that the Y
> wasn't  a known format type.
>
> Anyone who can help me ?
>
> Regards
> Gitte Wange
>
>>
>> HTH
>> Tino Wildenhain
>> --On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 11:29 +0200 Gitte Wange
>> <gitte@mmmanager.org>
>>
>> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I have a small problem:
>> > In my database I have a datetime field.
>> > Now I need to split the content of that field into a date string and a
>> > time  string with these formats:
>> > date: YYYY/MM/DD
>> > time: HH:MM:SS
>> >
>> > How do I do that?
>> >
>> > Another thing:
>> > I also need to remove / : and spaces from the datetime string.
>> >
>> > How ?
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > --
>> > ************************
>> > Gitte Wange Jensen
>> >
>> > System Squid Developer
>> > MMManager Aps
>> > +45 29 72 79 72
>> >
>> > gitte@mmmanager.org
>> > ************************
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>> > (Related lists -
>> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 17 14:58:55 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:58:55 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope on Big Iron
In-Reply-To: <3B03ABDD.516943AC@iswt.com>
References: <3B03ABDD.516943AC@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <26774224.990115135@BUZZER>

Hi Tim,

its nice :-) You schould probably zopyfy it a bit more ;)

Regards
Tino

--On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 05:45 -0500 Tim Cook <twcook@iswt.com> wrote:

> http://32.97.40.47:8080/
>
> An IBM S/390 makes a heck of a web server. <s>
>
> --
> Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc.
> http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
> ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM
>
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From gitte@mmmanager.org  Thu May 17 15:08:38 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:08:38 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Splitting a datetime string into a date string and a time string
In-Reply-To: <26297269.990114658@BUZZER>
References: <01051715022405.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <26297269.990114658@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <01051716083808.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Sorry I don't get this quite, but here's the cold facts :-)

I have a datetime column in a MySQL database which I use for this dtml-doc

The column is called ls_startdate

I need display the startdate in a date field and a time field.

I don't do any manipulation with the ls_startdate other than inserting it 
into my form.

When I update the database record, I need to create a filename like 
ls_startdate.rm - But the filename musn't contain any / : or spaces. So I 
need to strip these away.

But I can't get any of this to work ... please help ..

Gitte

On Thursday 17 May 2001 15:50, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> Hi Gitte,
>
> obviously you have to have DateTime objects to manipulate
> with them. If you convert them to strings beforehand you
> are not able to use their methods later :)
>
> If its a DateTime field in your database and not a
> string field, the result must be a DateTime object
> with all its methods, including strftime()
> If not, you have to instantiate a DateTime object from
> string like this: DateTime(date_time_as_string)
>
> What are you doing with filenames in DTML anyway?
> If you mean object IDs, you can construct it like this:
>
> <dtml-let objID="_.DateTime(time_as_string).strftime('%Y%m%d')">
> <dtml-var objID>
> </dtml-let>
>
> Omit this DateTime instantiation if you have a real datetime-object
> from your database as it should be.
>
> Regards
> Tino Wildenhain
>
>
> --On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 15:02 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org>
>
> wrote:
> > On Thursday 17 May 2001 13:00, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> >> Hi Gitte,
> >>
> >> assuming you only want to display the date,
> >> you could use the fmt-attribute of the dtml-var tag.
> >> <dtml-var YourDate fmt="%Y %m %d">
> >> <dtml-var YourDate fmt="%H:%M:%S">
> >>
> >> You can also use:
> >>
> >> <dtml-var "YourDate.strftime('%Y %m %d')"> respectively.
> >
> > Well when I try this, I get this error:
> >
> > Zope Error
> >
> > Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> >
> > Error Type: AttributeError
> > Error Value: 'string' object has no attribute 'strftime'
> >
> > I also tried the other solution, but I got an error saying that the Y
> > wasn't  a known format type.
> >
> > Anyone who can help me ?
> >
> > Regards
> > Gitte Wange
> >
> >> HTH
> >> Tino Wildenhain
> >> --On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 11:29 +0200 Gitte Wange
> >> <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > I have a small problem:
> >> > In my database I have a datetime field.
> >> > Now I need to split the content of that field into a date string and a
> >> > time  string with these formats:
> >> > date: YYYY/MM/DD
> >> > time: HH:MM:SS
> >> >
> >> > How do I do that?
> >> >
> >> > Another thing:
> >> > I also need to remove / : and spaces from the datetime string.
> >> >
> >> > How ?
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > --
> >> > ************************
> >> > Gitte Wange Jensen
> >> >
> >> > System Squid Developer
> >> > MMManager Aps
> >> > +45 29 72 79 72
> >> >
> >> > gitte@mmmanager.org
> >> > ************************
> >> >
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 17 15:18:57 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:18:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Security problem
In-Reply-To: <001901c0dea9$7be023e0$0900a8c0@ksk>
References: <001901c0dea9$7be023e0$0900a8c0@ksk>
Message-ID: <27976649.990116337@BUZZER>

Hi Andres,

on my point of view it works exactly as it should be.
"Aquire permission settings" means use whatever is
set in the containing object (folder, folders folder and so on)
is used combined with the local settings, e.g. manager
can view etc.
If you dont want Annonymous user to view a page you have to
take the right either at the root-folder (so it cannot be
acquired) or you must prevent acquise with unchecking.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 11:15 +0300 Punn <andres.punning@ksk.edu.ee> 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am newbie.
>
> My Zope security works in a strange way:
> The security tab says as follows:
> When the Acquire permission settings checkbox is selected
> then the containing objects's permission settings are used.
>
> It took me some time to understand, that
> the settings are USED, when the Acquire permission settings checkbox is
> UNchecked.
> All checked settings are ignored.
>
> For example, if I want to prevent Anonymous user seeing something,
> I must uncheck in the View row  "Acquire permission setting" and
> "Anonymous user" columns.
>
> What is wrong?
>
> Zope Version:  Zope 2.3.1 (binary release, python 1.5.2, linux2-x86)
> Python Version:  1.5.2 (#10, Dec 6 1999, 12:16:27) [GCC 2.7.2.3]
> System Platform:  linux2
>
>
> Andres Punning
>
>
>
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 17 15:27:30 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:27:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Splitting a datetime string into a date string and a
 time string
In-Reply-To: <01051716083808.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <01051716083808.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <28490129.990116850@BUZZER>

Hi Gitte,

dont know of the MySQL DA, but if it is so, it is
definitively broken. A DateTime entry schould be
returned as DateTime object.
Anyway, you can use

<dtml-var expr="'ls_'+_.DateTime(ls_startdate).strftime('%Y%m%d%H%M%s')">

in DTML.

(Instead of dtml-var to print out you can assign it to some other object)

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 16:08 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> 
wrote:

> Sorry I don't get this quite, but here's the cold facts :-)
>
> I have a datetime column in a MySQL database which I use for this dtml-doc
>
> The column is called ls_startdate
>
> I need display the startdate in a date field and a time field.
>
> I don't do any manipulation with the ls_startdate other than inserting it
> into my form.
>
> When I update the database record, I need to create a filename like
> ls_startdate.rm - But the filename musn't contain any / : or spaces. So I
> need to strip these away.
>
> But I can't get any of this to work ... please help ..
>
> Gitte
>
> On Thursday 17 May 2001 15:50, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
>> Hi Gitte,
>>
>> obviously you have to have DateTime objects to manipulate
>> with them. If you convert them to strings beforehand you
>> are not able to use their methods later :)
>>
>> If its a DateTime field in your database and not a
>> string field, the result must be a DateTime object
>> with all its methods, including strftime()
>> If not, you have to instantiate a DateTime object from
>> string like this: DateTime(date_time_as_string)
>>
>> What are you doing with filenames in DTML anyway?
>> If you mean object IDs, you can construct it like this:
>>
>> <dtml-let objID="_.DateTime(time_as_string).strftime('%Y%m%d')">
>> <dtml-var objID>
>> </dtml-let>
>>
>> Omit this DateTime instantiation if you have a real datetime-object
>> from your database as it should be.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tino Wildenhain
>>
>>
>> --On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 15:02 +0200 Gitte Wange
>> <gitte@mmmanager.org>
>>
>> wrote:
>> > On Thursday 17 May 2001 13:00, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
>> >> Hi Gitte,
>> >>
>> >> assuming you only want to display the date,
>> >> you could use the fmt-attribute of the dtml-var tag.
>> >> <dtml-var YourDate fmt="%Y %m %d">
>> >> <dtml-var YourDate fmt="%H:%M:%S">
>> >>
>> >> You can also use:
>> >>
>> >> <dtml-var "YourDate.strftime('%Y %m %d')"> respectively.
>> >
>> > Well when I try this, I get this error:
>> >
>> > Zope Error
>> >
>> > Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
>> >
>> > Error Type: AttributeError
>> > Error Value: 'string' object has no attribute 'strftime'
>> >
>> > I also tried the other solution, but I got an error saying that the Y
>> > wasn't  a known format type.
>> >
>> > Anyone who can help me ?
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Gitte Wange
>> >
>> >> HTH
>> >> Tino Wildenhain
>> >> --On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 11:29 +0200 Gitte Wange
>> >> <gitte@mmmanager.org>
>> >>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hello,
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a small problem:
>> >> > In my database I have a datetime field.
>> >> > Now I need to split the content of that field into a date string
>> >> > and a time  string with these formats:
>> >> > date: YYYY/MM/DD
>> >> > time: HH:MM:SS
>> >> >
>> >> > How do I do that?
>> >> >
>> >> > Another thing:
>> >> > I also need to remove / : and spaces from the datetime string.
>> >> >
>> >> > How ?
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> > --
>> >> > ************************
>> >> > Gitte Wange Jensen
>> >> >
>> >> > System Squid Developer
>> >> > MMManager Aps
>> >> > +45 29 72 79 72
>> >> >
>> >> > gitte@mmmanager.org
>> >> > ************************
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>> >> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>> >> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>> >> > (Related lists -
>> >> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>> >> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>>
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From steve@spvi.com  Thu May 17 15:30:38 2001
From: steve@spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:30:38 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Problems when upgrading Zope from 2.2.2 to 2.3.2 on FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKDGKLJPEIJKEEFHMEEJMDFAA.salmonNOSPAM@reksoft.ru>
Message-ID: <200105171431.f4HEVFI73284@obsidian.spvi.com>

The older Python port didn't include the 'new' module. You need to

cd /usr/ports/lang/python

make clean
make configure

(now edit Setup in the Modules directory to uncomment out the 'new' 
module)

(probably need a make 'deinstall' here.)
make install

-steve

On Thursday, May 17, 2001, at 05:58 AM, Alexander A. Chistyakov wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I've experienced troubles when upgrading Zope from 2.2.2 to 2.3.2 on 
> FreeBSD.
>
> My current production system is (from Zope Control Panel):
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Zope version: Zope 2.2.2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
> Python version: 1.5.2 (#2, Jul 7 2000, 20:22:51) [GCC 2.7.2.3]
> System Platform: freebsd3
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I've tried to build Zope 2.3.2 from sources. I've got the following 
> output when I started Zope instance after building it:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> bash-2.03# uname -a
> FreeBSD XXX.XXXXXXX.ru 3.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE #0: Tue Jun 20 
> 18:26:23 GMT 2000
> XXXX@XXX.XXXXXXX.ru:/usr/src/sys/compile/FIREBALL  i386
> bash-2.03#
> bash-2.03# python --version
> Python 1.5.2 (#2, Jul  7 2000, 20:22:51)  [GCC 2.7.2.3] on freebsd3
> Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
>>>>
> bash-2.03# pwd
> /home/Zope-2.3.2-src
> bash-2.03# ./start
> ------
> 2001-05-16T13:55:16 PANIC(300) z2 Startup exception
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/z2.py, line 566, in ?
>   File <string>, line 1, in ?
>   File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 95, 
> in ?
>   File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/OFS/Application.py, line 91, 
> in ?
>   File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/App/Product.py, line 111, 
> in ?
>   File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/__init__.py, line 
> 20, in ?
>   File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/ZClass.py, line 88, 
> in ?
>   File /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/Method.py, line 97, 
> in ?
>   File 
> /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/__init__.py, 
> line 89, in ?
>   File 
> /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/PythonScript.py,
>  line 96, in ?
>   File 
> /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Guarded.py, 
> line 88, in ?
>   File 
> /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbytecodehacks/
> VSExec.py, line 42, in ?
>   File 
> /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbytecodehacks/
> ops.py, line 5, in ?
>   File 
> /usr/home/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbytecodehacks/
> opbases.py, line 1, in ?
> ImportError: No module named new
>
>
> bash-2.03#
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm not Python programmer but I think "new" is not module name in this 
> context. I can't locate neither new.py nor new.pyc at my
> Python installation.
>
> What is the root of problem and what should I do to fix it?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Sincerely yours,
> Alexander A. Chistyakov
>
>
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From gitte@mmmanager.org  Thu May 17 15:36:17 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:36:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Splitting a datetime string into a date string and a time string
In-Reply-To: <28490129.990116850@BUZZER>
References: <01051716083808.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <28490129.990116850@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <01051716361709.01698@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Thursday 17 May 2001 16:27, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> Hi Gitte,
>
> dont know of the MySQL DA, but if it is so, it is
> definitively broken. A DateTime entry schould be
> returned as DateTime object.
> Anyway, you can use
>
> <dtml-var expr="'ls_'+_.DateTime(ls_startdate).strftime('%Y%m%d%H%M%s')">
>
> in DTML.
>
> (Instead of dtml-var to print out you can assign it to some other object)
>
> HTH
> Tino Wildenhain

It works !!
Thank you :-)

I had missed the one with _.DateTime  - sorry ... doing that and I can format 
the string to only display the date or the time ..

Regards,
Gitte Wange


>
> --On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 16:08 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org>
>
> wrote:
> > Sorry I don't get this quite, but here's the cold facts :-)
> >
> > I have a datetime column in a MySQL database which I use for this
> > dtml-doc
> >
> > The column is called ls_startdate
> >
> > I need display the startdate in a date field and a time field.
> >
> > I don't do any manipulation with the ls_startdate other than inserting it
> > into my form.
> >
> > When I update the database record, I need to create a filename like
> > ls_startdate.rm - But the filename musn't contain any / : or spaces. So I
> > need to strip these away.
> >
> > But I can't get any of this to work ... please help ..
> >
> > Gitte
> >
> > On Thursday 17 May 2001 15:50, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> >> Hi Gitte,
> >>
> >> obviously you have to have DateTime objects to manipulate
> >> with them. If you convert them to strings beforehand you
> >> are not able to use their methods later :)
> >>
> >> If its a DateTime field in your database and not a
> >> string field, the result must be a DateTime object
> >> with all its methods, including strftime()
> >> If not, you have to instantiate a DateTime object from
> >> string like this: DateTime(date_time_as_string)
> >>
> >> What are you doing with filenames in DTML anyway?
> >> If you mean object IDs, you can construct it like this:
> >>
> >> <dtml-let objID="_.DateTime(time_as_string).strftime('%Y%m%d')">
> >> <dtml-var objID>
> >> </dtml-let>
> >>
> >> Omit this DateTime instantiation if you have a real datetime-object
> >> from your database as it should be.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Tino Wildenhain
> >>
> >>
> >> --On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 15:02 +0200 Gitte Wange
> >> <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Thursday 17 May 2001 13:00, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> >> >> Hi Gitte,
> >> >>
> >> >> assuming you only want to display the date,
> >> >> you could use the fmt-attribute of the dtml-var tag.
> >> >> <dtml-var YourDate fmt="%Y %m %d">
> >> >> <dtml-var YourDate fmt="%H:%M:%S">
> >> >>
> >> >> You can also use:
> >> >>
> >> >> <dtml-var "YourDate.strftime('%Y %m %d')"> respectively.
> >> >
> >> > Well when I try this, I get this error:
> >> >
> >> > Zope Error
> >> >
> >> > Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> >> >
> >> > Error Type: AttributeError
> >> > Error Value: 'string' object has no attribute 'strftime'
> >> >
> >> > I also tried the other solution, but I got an error saying that the Y
> >> > wasn't  a known format type.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone who can help me ?
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Gitte Wange
> >> >
> >> >> HTH
> >> >> Tino Wildenhain
> >> >> --On Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2001 11:29 +0200 Gitte Wange
> >> >> <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> >> >>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Hello,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have a small problem:
> >> >> > In my database I have a datetime field.
> >> >> > Now I need to split the content of that field into a date string
> >> >> > and a time  string with these formats:
> >> >> > date: YYYY/MM/DD
> >> >> > time: HH:MM:SS
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How do I do that?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Another thing:
> >> >> > I also need to remove / : and spaces from the datetime string.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How ?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > ************************
> >> >> > Gitte Wange Jensen
> >> >> >
> >> >> > System Squid Developer
> >> >> > MMManager Aps
> >> >> > +45 29 72 79 72
> >> >> >
> >> >> > gitte@mmmanager.org
> >> >> > ************************
> >> >> >
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
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> >>
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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May 17 15:45:20 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:45:20 -0600
Subject: [Zope] bug in ZClasses: Folderish ZClass shows wrong
 "subobjects"meta_types
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010517163454.00a8dfb8@getmail.adair.net>
Message-ID: <3B03E400.D7E32816@kaivo.com>

Danny William Adair wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> For my folderish ZClass I find "subobjects" in the management screen to
> determine which objects are allowed to be added inside my ObjectManager.
> The "subobjects" tab shows me a list of meta_types to choose from, so that
> I can make sure I don't get a "the object xyz doesn' t support this
> operation" when creating/pasting objects of that metatype.
> 
> But the list is faulty! :-o
> 
> :-o
> 
> 1) Created folderish ZClass "Universe" ,metatype "Hello Universe"
> 2) Created folderish ZClass "World" ,metatype "World"
> 3) Added "World" to the allowed subobjects list of "Universe"
> 
> That's ok. Works as expected. Now let's say I find out that "World" is a
> bad meta_type (there can be several reasons for this, for example someone
> else has just released a wonderful product, which instantiates "World" objects)
> 
> Now...
> 
> 4) Changed the metatype of ZClass "World" to "Hello World"
> 5) Damn, *now I can't add any World instances in my Universe instances
> anymore* :-(
>      So, then Universe's "allowed subobjects" list wasn't adjusted
> automatically... mmmh, ok. Then I' ll do it manually.
> 6) Right, go to ZClass "Universe" and look under subobjects to correct the
> entry...
> 
> Boing!
> 
> I only find "World" in the list, although this metatype shouldn' t exist
> anymore. But I can' t find the new metatype, "Hello World", and so I will
> never ever again be able to add them in a Universe instance. Can anyone
> reproduce this misbehavior?

Did you also change the Add list name in the factory to the same value
as the meta_type? I know if they differ it can cause problems.

> 
> Now, how can I fix this once it has happened? I love "Hello World" and I
> hate "World", so how can I get it back?
> My first attempt was to rename the ZClasses and add new ones... bang.
> 
> "The permission Add Hello Worlds is already defined."
> Ok, break, this will get way to complicated...

It sounds like you still had "Create constructor objects" checked when
you recreated your ZClass. Either delete the constructor, form, factory
and permission first (recommended) or uncheck this.

> 
> So then, I would call this a bug in ZClasses, can somebody confirm this?
> 
>      def possible_meta_types(self):
>          return self.aq_acquire('_product_meta_types')+Products.meta_types
> 
> This is what the management screen calls to show me the wrong list, maybe
> someone knows what's happening here and how to fix this?
> 
> tia,
> Danny
> 

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May 17 15:53:06 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:53:06 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Security problem
References: <001901c0dea9$7be023e0$0900a8c0@ksk>
Message-ID: <3B03E5D2.61707F09@kaivo.com>

Punn wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am newbie.
> 
> My Zope security works in a strange way:
> The security tab says as follows:
> When the Acquire permission settings checkbox is selected
> then the containing objects's permission settings are used.

This means that when it is checked, the permission settings on the
containing folders up to the root also apply to this object.

> 
> It took me some time to understand, that
> the settings are USED, when the Acquire permission settings checkbox is
> UNchecked.
> All checked settings are ignored.

No, checking permissions along with "Acquire permission settings"
checked means you are adding permissions to any ones also acquired from
above.

> 
> For example, if I want to prevent Anonymous user seeing something,
> I must uncheck in the View row  "Acquire permission setting" and "Anonymous
> user" columns.

This is the way it works. Because View is a permission set for the
Anonymous role in the root folder (check the security tab there), it is
in affect here when "Acquire permission settings" is checked. To revoke
this permission, you must uncheck "Acquire permission settings" so that
the root folder's View setting does not affect the object.

> 
> What is wrong?
[snip]
> 
> Andres Punning
> 

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Thu May 17 15:57:26 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 07:57:26 -0700
Subject: [Zope] A corker
Message-ID: <200105170757260110.005768BD@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

OK, I've figured this much out so far. I've created one
DTML document for each registration. I'm using acquisition
to pass that document to a DTML method that displays the
document. The URL looks like:
".../Yourfullname3b01efcd/DisplayFullRegInfo" where
Yourfullname3b01efcd is the document name, and
DisplayFullRegInfo is the DTML method.

Now I want to get the information in the document (which is
a python dictionary in text form) and use eval() (which
I've put in an external method) to parse it back into a
python dictionary. To get the data in the document, it
turns out all I have to do is say "PARENTS[0]". Now the fun
starts. This is in DisplayFullRegInfo:

<dtml-let data="PARENTS[0]">
<dtml-var data><hr>
<dtml-var expr="parseSeminarRegistration(data)">
</dtml-let>

I keep getting weird error messages for
parseSeminarRegistration(), which worked in a different
DTML method just fine. The messages complain about the
argument, so I decide to examine the argument type. Here's
the external method, parseSeminarRegistration():

import types
def parseSeminarRegistration(code):
  return 'your type is: ' + str(type(code))
  #return eval(code)

Normally I just use eval(), but this should indicate the
type. Here's the output:

------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------
{'homephone': 'Your home phone (for emergencies)', 'email':
'Your email address', 'admin_email': 'Their email address',
'price_dates': '(("2001-5-15", 1700), ("2001-7-4", 1800))',
'semnumber': '1', 'busphone': 'Your business phone number',
'admin_contact': "Person we should contact about payment,
if it's not you", 'admin_phone': 'Their phone number',
'bill_to': 'Person or company paying for the seminar',
'payment_date': '', 'admin_fax': 'Their fax number',
'country': 'USA or your country', 'state': 'State or
province', 'required_forms': '(("Limited Liability Form",
"N",
"http://www.mindview.net/Seminars/regFormParts/LimitedLiabil
ity"), ("Activity Release Form", "N",
"http://www.mindview.net/Seminars/regFormParts/ActivityRelea
seForm.html"))', 'name': 'Your full name', 'zip': 'Zip or
postal code', 'city': 'City', 'invoice_number': '',
'current_price': '', 'seminar_id': 'Design-A-Day Patterns
Practicum July 30-August 3 ', 'paid': 'N',
'purchase_order_id': '', 'registration_date': '2001/05/15
20:11:07.26156 GMT-7', 'completed': 'N', 'address1':
'Street address', 'address2': 'Second address line, if
needed', 'fax': 'Your fax number, if you have one'}
------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------
 your type is: 


The external method is clearly called, but it simply gives
a blank. No 'None', even, as if *no* argument is being
passed (which I didn't think was possible).

I'm clearly missing something here. (If there's a more
appropriate way to get the data file then tell me to do
that).

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From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May 17 16:05:49 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:05:49 -0700
Subject: [Zope] FSPoll
References: <00fa01c0de9f$014a8080$0a01a8c0@joecopeland.net>
Message-ID: <005501c0dee2$e567e3a0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

There is one FSPoll and contained in that there is a many FSPollQuestions
and inside each there is many FSPollAnswers. I released FSPoll too quickly
and didnt really write anything about how it works, how you are meant to
create these. It was more a "works for me" release. I will go and clean this
up soon, promise. In the mean time please dont hesitate to ask me any
questions...

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Copeland" <joe@LADWP.net>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:00 AM
Subject: [Zope] FSPoll


> I think the FSPoll product is a neat idea but I can't find any
documentation
> on how to use it properly.  I installed in on my system with a little
moving
> of the files since the tar build is kind of messed up.
>
> Anyway, I'm just trying to figure out What the relationship of the FS Poll
> folder is supposed to be in relationship with the questions and the
answers.
>
> -- Joe
>
>
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From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May 17 16:08:51 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:08:51 -0700
Subject: [Zope] FSPoll question #2
References: <010401c0dea5$41eb8ca0$0a01a8c0@joecopeland.net>
Message-ID: <005f01c0dee3$51bd3230$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Well you can have a look at the code on zopezen.org
http://www.zopezen.org/Polls/poll_box/view_source
http://www.zopezen.org/Polls/vote_small_html/view_source

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Copeland" <joe@LADWP.net>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:44 AM
Subject: [Zope] FSPoll question #2


> I was wondering how you would structure the DTML code to create a FSPoll
> exactly like the one on the zopezen.org site.  The HTML code shows this
poll
> is in a little table.  I'm having a tough time figuring out how to call
the
> poll using DTML.
>
> I'm just learning so please forgive my ignorance.  I tried a bunch of
> combinations of the dtml-var tag and the dtml-with tag.  I think what
> stumbling me is the URL format.  You have to call up the question and then
> vote_small_html to display it in HTML.  The URL is like
> ..question/vote_small_html.
>
> -- Joe
>
>
>
>
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From cobrien@Radix.Net  Thu May 17 16:27:50 2001
From: cobrien@Radix.Net (Cary O'Brien)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:27:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Re: longest running zope
Message-ID: <200105171527.LAA17805@saltmine.radix.net>

Our bug-tracking system (Zope + PostgreSQL + Linux) uptimes are limited
by mains power -- I can't seem to get beyond 100 days.  Current uptime
for both the server and Zope is 29 days.

Except for power problems the system has not misoperated in any way I
have seen (and people would let me know) in the two years we have been
using it.  As far as I know it will run forever.  Well, actually I 
think that there may be some PostgreSQL index files that may keep 
growing.

-- cary


From afterz@zipmail.com  Thu May 17 16:30:28 2001
From: afterz@zipmail.com (After Dark)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:30:28 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
In-Reply-To: <001701c0ded0$6cdfe430$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <web-4412206@zipmail.com>

When you make a search in a site, for example AltaVista, how
does it work??
The site ignores accentuation.

I realy need to do that. The search has to bring related
results to the keyword, not only results that has it. A
basic feature to do that is to ignore accentuation.

Maybe in english that doesn`t make much diference, but in
many other languages, like in portuguese that has almost the
half of the words with accents, it is impossible to have a
search without it.

So, someone see any solution?

Thanks.


"Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk> wrote:
>Why should it bring back both?
>
>Surely they are different words?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "After Dark" <afterz@zipmail.com>
>To: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>; "Chris McDonough"
><chrism@digicool.com>
>Cc: "Casey Duncan" <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org>
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
>
>
>> ZCatalog indexes words with accentuation, when made a
>search
>> without the accent it doesn't bring the accentuated
>word.
>>
>> Example:
>>          search: top --> three results.
>>          search: tóp --> ten results.
>>
>> Solutions???
>>
>> Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> wrote:
>> >Chris McDonough wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > And any changes in ZCatalog that solve tha
>> >accentuation
>> >> > problem???
>> >>
>> >> What's the "accentuation problem"?
>> >
>> >He probably means the splitter doing stupid things with
>> >accentuated
>> >characters...
>> >
>> >cheers,
>> >
>> >Chris
>>
>> --
>> --Ricardo Kohler
>>           Costa
>> ________________________________________________
>> Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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          Costa
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From muldrow@mac.com  Thu May 17 12:34:34 2001
From: muldrow@mac.com (Chris Muldrow)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:34:34 +0000
Subject: [Zope] Poll product
Message-ID: <B729679C.3097%muldrow@mac.com>

We had someone pinging our poll with an automated script. We didn't want
users to have to log in before voting, but still wanted some way to keep
people from hitting the vote method more than once per session. (We're using
the poll product mega modified from Amos' Poll Product) We decided to throw
a cookie at the users and check it when they go into the poll--on first
visit it lets them vote, but then it cookies them and redirects to the
results page. This is pretty straightforward for Zope addicts, but I figured
this might be useful information for someone, so here goes:

Just paste the following chunk of code at the top of the index.dtml file
that sits in the poll product:

<dtml-if "REQUEST.has_key('voted_in_poll')">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh" CONTENT="0;URL=<dtml-var absolute_url>/results">
</HEAD>
</HTML>
</dtml-if> 
<dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('voted_in_poll', '1')"> 



From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 17 16:45:15 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:45:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
References: <web-4412206@zipmail.com>
Message-ID: <01b301c0dee8$5ee72740$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Well, the Catalog doesn't do that.  Sorry!

- C

----- Original Message -----
From: "After Dark" <afterz@zipmail.com>
To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>; "Chris Withers"
<chrisw@nipltd.com>; "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
Cc: "Casey Duncan" <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version


When you make a search in a site, for example AltaVista, how
does it work??
The site ignores accentuation.

I realy need to do that. The search has to bring related
results to the keyword, not only results that has it. A
basic feature to do that is to ignore accentuation.

Maybe in english that doesn`t make much diference, but in
many other languages, like in portuguese that has almost the
half of the words with accents, it is impossible to have a
search without it.

So, someone see any solution?

Thanks.


"Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk> wrote:
>Why should it bring back both?
>
>Surely they are different words?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "After Dark" <afterz@zipmail.com>
>To: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>; "Chris McDonough"
><chrism@digicool.com>
>Cc: "Casey Duncan" <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org>
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
>
>
>> ZCatalog indexes words with accentuation, when made a
>search
>> without the accent it doesn't bring the accentuated
>word.
>>
>> Example:
>>          search: top --> three results.
>>          search: tóp --> ten results.
>>
>> Solutions???
>>
>> Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> wrote:
>> >Chris McDonough wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > And any changes in ZCatalog that solve tha
>> >accentuation
>> >> > problem???
>> >>
>> >> What's the "accentuation problem"?
>> >
>> >He probably means the splitter doing stupid things with
>> >accentuated
>> >characters...
>> >
>> >cheers,
>> >
>> >Chris
>>
>> --
>> --Ricardo Kohler
>>           Costa
>> ________________________________________________
>> Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>

--
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          Costa
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From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Thu May 17 16:58:31 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:58:31 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B31B@desi2>

Solution is (and it's a hack); create an alternate index method within
whatever it is that you are indexing that outputs the text, and for every
word with an accent, strip out the accent (perhaps use a python dictionar=
y
of character mappings).  Index that method (or methods).

You are then indexing un-accented text.

Then, write a method that translates accents out of the search text by
rewriting the field in the REQUEST object for each text box where people
enter text (using the same code as above).

Not a graceful solution, but would be transparent to the user - though th=
is
might get a bit tedious if you have lots of fields/methods/properties wit=
h
full-text indexes...

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:45 AM
To: After Dark; Phil Harris; Chris Withers
Cc: Casey Duncan; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version


Well, the Catalog doesn't do that.  Sorry!

- C

----- Original Message -----
From: "After Dark" <afterz@zipmail.com>
To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>; "Chris Withers"
<chrisw@nipltd.com>; "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
Cc: "Casey Duncan" <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version


When you make a search in a site, for example AltaVista, how
does it work??
The site ignores accentuation.

I realy need to do that. The search has to bring related
results to the keyword, not only results that has it. A
basic feature to do that is to ignore accentuation.

Maybe in english that doesn`t make much diference, but in
many other languages, like in portuguese that has almost the
half of the words with accents, it is impossible to have a
search without it.

So, someone see any solution?

Thanks.


"Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk> wrote:
>Why should it bring back both?
>
>Surely they are different words?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "After Dark" <afterz@zipmail.com>
>To: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>; "Chris McDonough"
><chrism@digicool.com>
>Cc: "Casey Duncan" <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org>
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
>
>
>> ZCatalog indexes words with accentuation, when made a
>search
>> without the accent it doesn't bring the accentuated
>word.
>>
>> Example:
>>          search: top --> three results.
>>          search: t=F3p --> ten results.
>>
>> Solutions???
>>
>> Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> wrote:
>> >Chris McDonough wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > And any changes in ZCatalog that solve tha
>> >accentuation
>> >> > problem???
>> >>
>> >> What's the "accentuation problem"?
>> >
>> >He probably means the splitter doing stupid things with
>> >accentuated
>> >characters...
>> >
>> >cheers,
>> >
>> >Chris
>>
>> --
>> --Ricardo Kohler
>>           Costa
>> ________________________________________________
>> Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/
>>
>>
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          Costa
________________________________________________
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From hannu@tm.ee  Thu May 17 14:41:05 2001
From: hannu@tm.ee (Hannu Krosing)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:41:05 +0500
Subject: [Zope] A corker
References: <200105170757260110.005768BD@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <3B03D4F1.3FB57622@tm.ee>

Bruce Eckel wrote:
> 
> needed', 'fax': 'Your fax number, if you have one'}
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------
>  your type is:
> 

Is this from html source or from rendered page?

Example:

>>> type(1)
<type 'int'>


whixh is rendered as:

>>> type(1)


------------
Hannu


From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May 17 17:46:59 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:46:59 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??
References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010516120348.00a64038@192.168.0.99> <3B025347.22CBBF54@nipltd.com> <008001c0de27$5f26c100$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <3B039672.32E711DD@nipltd.com> <03e801c0deb4$40fa29f0$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <004d01c0def0$fe839f10$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

That's it! Time to sue :)
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
To: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>; "Andy McKay"
<andym@activestate.com>
Cc: "Jawad" <jawad@shebaak.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??


> I used to live by someone named Andy McKay, notorious car thief, deported
to
> the States if I recall correctly ;)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> To: "Andy McKay" <andym@ActiveState.com>
> Cc: "Jawad" <jawad@shebaak.com>; <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??
>
>
> > Andy McKay wrote:
> > >
> > > Have a look at http://www.zopezen.org/links for some sites built in
> Zope,
> > > http://www.activestate.com/ASPN is one Im kinda proud of :)
> >
> > I dunno, I've heard bad things about Active State, particularly that
dodgy
> McKay
> > fellow ;-)
> >
> > *grinz*
> >
> > Chris
> >
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From hannu@tm.ee  Thu May 17 14:42:00 2001
From: hannu@tm.ee (Hannu Krosing)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:42:00 +0500
Subject: [Zope] A corker
References: <200105170757260110.005768BD@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <3B03D528.2D13FEA6@tm.ee>

Bruce Eckel wrote:
> 
> 
> <dtml-let data="PARENTS[0]">
> <dtml-var data><hr>
> <dtml-var expr="parseSeminarRegistration(data)">
> </dtml-let>
> 
> I keep getting weird error messages for
> parseSeminarRegistration(), which worked in a different
> DTML method just fine. The messages complain about the
> argument, so I decide to examine the argument type. Here's
> the external method, parseSeminarRegistration():

try

<dtml-var expr="parseSeminarRegistration(data)" html_quote>

-------------
Hannu


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 17 17:49:53 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:49:53 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??
References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010516120348.00a64038@192.168.0.99> <3B025347.22CBBF54@nipltd.com> <008001c0de27$5f26c100$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <3B039672.32E711DD@nipltd.com> <03e801c0deb4$40fa29f0$5c773fc1@media1> <004d01c0def0$fe839f10$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <3B040131.AA5376E1@nipltd.com>


Andy McKay wrote:
> 
> That's it! Time to sue :)

Spot the North American :-P

Chris


From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Thu May 17 18:04:07 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:04:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Installing LoginManager 0.8.8.b1
Message-ID: <042301c0def3$831f0000$0301a8c0@provence>

C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.

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	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I tried 3 times to dowload/install the LoginManager 0.8.8 b1 on a Zope =
2.3.2/Linux

% cd $ZOPEROOT
% wget =
http://www.zope.org/Members/tsarna/LoginManager/LoginManager-0-8-8b1.tgz
% tar xvfz LoginManager-0-8-8b1.tgz
% ./stop
% ./start

I always got a "broken product" when restarting Zope...

Any hint ?

--Gilles

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	charset="iso-8859-1"
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3018.900" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tried 3 times to dowload/install the =
LoginManager=20
0.8.8 b1 on a Zope 2.3.2/Linux</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>% cd $ZOPEROOT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>% wget <A=20
href=3D"http://www.zope.org/Members/tsarna/LoginManager/LoginManager-0-8-=
8b1.tgz">http://www.zope.org/Members/tsarna/LoginManager/LoginManager-0-8=
-8b1.tgz</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>% tar xvfz =
LoginManager-0-8-8b1.tgz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>% ./stop</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>% ./start</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I always got a "broken product" when =
restarting=20
Zope...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any hint ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--Gilles</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Thu May 17 18:06:23 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:06:23 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Installing LoginManager 0.8.8.b1
In-Reply-To: <042301c0def3$831f0000$0301a8c0@provence>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105172105210.4099-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Gilles Lenfant wrote:
> % wget http://www.zope.org/Members/tsarna/LoginManager/LoginManager-0-8-8b1.tgz
>
> I always got a "broken product" when restarting Zope...
> Any hint ?

1. Don't send HTML email.

2. Go to this broken Product and see the traceback. The traceback shows all
neccessary details about what does it need.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From luke@seeto.com  Thu May 17 18:05:40 2001
From: luke@seeto.com (Luke Tymowski)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:05:40 -0400
Subject: [Zope] how to extract info from html?
Message-ID: <20010517130540.B14421@seeto.com>

hello,

i'm trying to automate the creation of RSS files. 
my pages consist of a series of paragraphs with links and commentary (weblog).
i need to extract the url, the title, and description from each paragraph.

how do i do that?
i suspect it's simple but i'm not exactly a programmer.

for example,

<p>
Zope.org: <a href="some url">New Zope Release</a> "Zope 2.4.0a, the first alpha release of 2.4 is out now and features ..."
</p>

<p>
XML.com: <a href="another url">Zope and XML</a> "An interesting article on creating XML with Zope"
</p>

taking that, how do I end up with:

title: New Zope Release
link: some url
description: Zope 2.4.0a, the first alpha release of 2.4 is out now and fetures ...

title: Zope and XML
link: another url
description: An interesting article on creating XML with Zope

I suspect it would be much easier if I were using ZClasses to create each entry. but i'm not. :(

I can strip out the header and footer code so all i'm left with is balanced paragaphs. by balanced i mean each block of text is wrapped in opening and closing tags <p> and </p>. but then i get stuck.

thanks,

luke


From dmuller@angel.net  Thu May 17 18:25:09 2001
From: dmuller@angel.net (Daniel Muller)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:25:09 -0400
Subject: [Zope] python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'
Message-ID: <B72981B4.540C%dmuller@angel.net>

I've just completed an rpm install of zope on a linux box and I'm
not able to log into the management screen.

Zope is running.  I can see it fine at:
http://puccini.myhost.edu:8080

I next tried to log onto the management screen:
http://puccini.myhost.edu:8080/manage
and was prompted for a username and password

I entered
u: superuser
p:123

and receiver the "unauthorized user " message.

Next I logged onto my server trying to run zpasswd.py

I tried various ways to run this script including:
/usr/bin/python1.5 zpasswd.py /var/zope/access

Every time I get the following message:
python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'

[root@puccini bin]# ls -l zpasswd
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         9546 May  8 16:00 zpasswd

[root@puccini zope]# ls -l access
-rw-r-----    1 root     zope           65 May 17 10:16 access

I've searched this mailing list for answers but I'm still stumped.

Questions:
1. Why can't run zpasswd.py

2. Can I edit the access file manually?
(Here is what the access file looks like:
superuser:{SHA}QL0AFWMIX8NRZTKeof9cXsvbvu8=
:puccini.myhost.edu)



From liao@acusd.edu  Thu May 17 17:29:23 2001
From: liao@acusd.edu (Luby Liao)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:29:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] passing object from dtml to python script
In-Reply-To: <15104.26157.964850.878590@holycow.acusd.edu>
References: <15104.26157.964850.878590@holycow.acusd.edu>
Message-ID: <15107.64611.611931.30926@holycow.acusd.edu>

I posted the following question on 5-14-2001.  I got a prompt response
from Andres (Thank you, Andres).  I tried his suggestions (see below)
with many variations without success.  With some variations, e.g.,

  ACTION="<dtml-call complete_or_not(x)>" (line 9)

there are no errors.  Yet view source shows 

  ACTION=""

and reading the log from var/Z2.log shows that the python script is
never called when the form is submitted.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts.  cheers, Luby   

1. My question

 Is it possible to pass objects in a dtml, such as a row of the result
 set of a sql query, into a python script used as a form handler?

 As an example, on line 9, 'complete_or_not' is a python script with
 one argument.  I would like to pass an object x (line 2) into the
 script.  But the syntax of line 9 is incorrect.  I could effectively
 pass x in using hidden fields.  But I hope I can avoid that.  Any help
 is greatly appreciated.  cheers, Luby


  1	 <dtml-if email>
  2	  <dtml-let x=emailSearch>
  3	    <dtml-if "_.len(x)==1">
  4		<dtml-in x>
  5		  If you are <dtml-var firstname> <dtml-var lastname>, please 
  6	            proceed to complete the registration, by clicking the
  7			'complete' button.  Otherwise, click the 'not me'
  8			button.
  9		   <FORM METHOD="POST" ACTION="complete_or_not(x)>" NAME="complete" onSubmit="return verifyInput()">
 10		   <TABLE border="0" cellpadding="0"><TR><TD align="right">
 11		   <INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="complete" VALUE="Complete"></TD><TD align="right">
 12		   <INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="not_me" VALUE="Not Me"></TD></TR>
 13		   </TABLE>
 14		   </FORM>
 15		 </dtml-in>
 16	    </dtml-if>
 17	   </dtml-let>
 18	 </dtml-if>

2. Andres's solution

 Yes its possible to pass objects to scripts you call in dtml.

 One way to fix your syntax error is to write:

 <form method="post" action="<dtml-var "complete_or_not(x)" url>" ... >

 But that will just create the url where your user will go once they click
 their button.

 If you want to avoid passing hidden fields take a look at the 
 CoreSessionTracking product.

 In general you can call a script with something like:

 <dtml-var "someScrip(mySpecialObject=x)">

 or

 <dtml-call "someScriptWhoseSideEffectsIDoNotWantToSee(mySpecialObject=x)">

--
Luby Liao, Department of Math/CS, University of San Diego, San Diego, CA 92110
(619)260-4021(O), (619)452-7644(H), (619)260-4293(fax)

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   All mimsy were the borogroves    And the mome raths outgrabe   -- L.C.







                                                  





From liao@acusd.edu  Thu May 17 17:38:30 2001
From: liao@acusd.edu (Luby Liao)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:38:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'
In-Reply-To: <B72981B4.540C%dmuller@angel.net>
References: <B72981B4.540C%dmuller@angel.net>
Message-ID: <15107.65158.177429.30493@holycow.acusd.edu>

Daniel, 

 > Next I logged onto my server trying to run zpasswd.py
 > 
 > I tried various ways to run this script including:
 > /usr/bin/python1.5 zpasswd.py /var/zope/access
 > 
 > Every time I get the following message:
 > python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'
 > 
 > [root@puccini bin]# ls -l zpasswd
 > -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         9546 May  8 16:00 zpasswd

Here, you are looking for zpasswd, not zpasswd.py, which is in the
root directory of the Zope distro.  cheers, Luby 

> I've just completed an rpm install of zope on a linux box and I'm
 > not able to log into the management screen.
 > 
 > Zope is running.  I can see it fine at:
 > http://puccini.myhost.edu:8080
 > 
 > I next tried to log onto the management screen:
 > http://puccini.myhost.edu:8080/manage
 > and was prompted for a username and password
 > 
 > I entered
 > u: superuser
 > p:123
 > 
 > and receiver the "unauthorized user " message.
 > 
 > Next I logged onto my server trying to run zpasswd.py
 > 
 > I tried various ways to run this script including:
 > /usr/bin/python1.5 zpasswd.py /var/zope/access
 > 
 > Every time I get the following message:
 > python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'
 > 
 > [root@puccini bin]# ls -l zpasswd
 > -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         9546 May  8 16:00 zpasswd
 > 
 > [root@puccini zope]# ls -l access
 > -rw-r-----    1 root     zope           65 May 17 10:16 access
 > 
 > I've searched this mailing list for answers but I'm still stumped.
 > 
 > Questions:
 > 1. Why can't run zpasswd.py
 > 
 > 2. Can I edit the access file manually?
 > (Here is what the access file looks like:
 > superuser:{SHA}QL0AFWMIX8NRZTKeof9cXsvbvu8=
 > :puccini.myhost.edu)
 > 
 > 
 > _______________________________________________
 > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
 > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
 > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
 > (Related lists - 
 >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
 >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
 > 


From martin.goeser@web.de  Thu May 17 18:41:27 2001
From: martin.goeser@web.de (Martin Goeser)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:41:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Install failure: corruped instalation detected
Message-ID: <200105171741.f4HHfRu06337@mailgate3.cinetic.de>

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I have download the full distribution (binary)for windows 98/2000 form zope.org.
The doesn't manage the installation. It was shown the same line you read in my subject of this mail.

I urgently need the file to install the zope software to built a dynamic webpage :-)

Please send a file to old germany ;-)

regards martin

martin.goeser@web.de
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<!-- fms 3 -->
<HTML>
<BODY TOPMARGIN="0" LEFTMARGIN="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" MARGINHEIGHT="0" BGCOLOR="#BEBE99">

<TABLE BORDER=0 CELLPADDING=0 CELLSPACING=0><TR><TD ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP WIDTH=120 BGCOLOR="#BEBE99" background="cid:CID2" nowrap><IMG SRC="cid:CID1" WIDTH="113" HEIGHT="88" BORDER=0></TD><TD WIDTH="10" BGCOLOR="#BEBE99" ROWSPAN=2>&nbsp;</TD><TD WIDTH="100%" ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP BGCOLOR="#BEBE99" ROWSPAN=2><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica" SIZE="-1" COLOR="#000000"><BR>I have download the full distribution (binary)for windows 98/2000 form zope.org.
<br>The doesn't manage the installation. It was shown the same line you read in my subject of this mail.
<br>
<br>I urgently need the file to install the zope software to built a dynamic webpage :-)
<br>
<br>Please send a file to old germany ;-)
<br>
<br>regards martin
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From alet@unice.fr  Thu May 17 18:58:24 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:58:24 +0200
Subject: [Zope] How to determine needed permissions to create any object type ?
Message-ID: <20010517195824.A613@nordine.ateur>

Hi,

For the ZShell external method I'm boring your for two weeks, I wanted to
create a new mkobj command which would accept a meta type as its argument
and a list of objects ids to create (empty) with this meta type.

So I need to know what permission is needed to allow the creation of 
a particular meta type.

e.g. :

	mkobj "DTML Document" top_html bottom_html

Would have to know that to be allowed to create an object of meta type
"DTML Document" the permission "Add Documents, Images, and Files" is needed.

So my question is: given a meta type, how to list the permission(s) needed
to be allowed to create an instance of this particular meta type ?

Thanks in advance.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr



From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Thu May 17 19:06:47 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:06:47 -0700
Subject: [Zope] A corker
In-Reply-To: <200105170757260110.005768BD@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
References: <200105170757260110.005768BD@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <200105171106470830.002B094F@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

Progress: I figured out that the string exists, but it's
being html-quoted, which suggests to me that the
information from the file is somehow being passed rather
than being opened by my 'DisplayFullRegInfo' DTML method. 

So I suspect I'm taking the wrong approach, and asking the
wrong question. I think the question should be:

Inside a DTML method that's called with an argument via
acquisition (I may be misusing the term here), if the
argument represents a DTML document name:

http://www.foobar.org/place/TheArgument/TheDTMLMethod

How do I 

(1) get TheArgument from inside TheDTMLMethod (methinks
PARENTS[0], but that seemed to be problematic)
(2) Open the DTML document, once I have the argument

Thanks...

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 5/17/01 at 7:57 AM Bruce Eckel wrote:

>OK, I've figured this much out so far. I've created one
>DTML document for each registration. I'm using acquisition
>to pass that document to a DTML method that displays the
>document. The URL looks like:
>".../Yourfullname3b01efcd/DisplayFullRegInfo" where
>Yourfullname3b01efcd is the document name, and
>DisplayFullRegInfo is the DTML method.
>
>Now I want to get the information in the document (which
is
>a python dictionary in text form) and use eval() (which
>I've put in an external method) to parse it back into a
>python dictionary. To get the data in the document, it
>turns out all I have to do is say "PARENTS[0]". Now the
fun
>starts. This is in DisplayFullRegInfo:
>
><dtml-let data="PARENTS[0]">
><dtml-var data><hr>
><dtml-var expr="parseSeminarRegistration(data)">
></dtml-let>
>
>I keep getting weird error messages for
>parseSeminarRegistration(), which worked in a different
>DTML method just fine. The messages complain about the
>argument, so I decide to examine the argument type. Here's
>the external method, parseSeminarRegistration():
>
>import types
>def parseSeminarRegistration(code):
>  return 'your type is: ' + str(type(code))
>  #return eval(code)
>
>Normally I just use eval(), but this should indicate the
>type. Here's the output:
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
-
>--------------------
>{'homephone': 'Your home phone (for emergencies)',
'email':
>'Your email address', 'admin_email': 'Their email
address',
>'price_dates': '(("2001-5-15", 1700), ("2001-7-4",
1800))',
>'semnumber': '1', 'busphone': 'Your business phone
number',
>'admin_contact': "Person we should contact about payment,
>if it's not you", 'admin_phone': 'Their phone number',
>'bill_to': 'Person or company paying for the seminar',
>'payment_date': '', 'admin_fax': 'Their fax number',
>'country': 'USA or your country', 'state': 'State or
>province', 'required_forms': '(("Limited Liability Form",
>"N",
>"http://www.mindview.net/Seminars/regFormParts/LimitedLiabi
l
>ity"), ("Activity Release Form", "N",
>"http://www.mindview.net/Seminars/regFormParts/ActivityRele
a
>seForm.html"))', 'name': 'Your full name', 'zip': 'Zip or
>postal code', 'city': 'City', 'invoice_number': '',
>'current_price': '', 'seminar_id': 'Design-A-Day Patterns
>Practicum July 30-August 3 ', 'paid': 'N',
>'purchase_order_id': '', 'registration_date': '2001/05/15
>20:11:07.26156 GMT-7', 'completed': 'N', 'address1':
>'Street address', 'address2': 'Second address line, if
>needed', 'fax': 'Your fax number, if you have one'}
>-----------------------------------------------------------
-
>--------------------
> your type is: 
>
>
>The external method is clearly called, but it simply gives
>a blank. No 'None', even, as if *no* argument is being
>passed (which I didn't think was possible).
>
>I'm clearly missing something here. (If there's a more
>appropriate way to get the data file then tell me to do
>that).
>
>Most current information can be found at:
>http://www.mindview.net/Etc/notes.html
>===================
>Bruce Eckel    http://www.BruceEckel.com
>Contains free electronic books: "Thinking in Java 2e" &
>"Thinking in C++ 2e"
>Please subscribe to my free newsletter -- just send any
>email to:
>join-eckel-oo-programming@earth.lyris.net
>My schedule can be found at:
>http://www.mindview.net/Calendar
>===================
>
>
>
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Most current information can be found at:
http://www.mindview.net/Etc/notes.html
===================
Bruce Eckel    http://www.BruceEckel.com
Contains free electronic books: "Thinking in Java 2e" &
"Thinking in C++ 2e"
Please subscribe to my free newsletter -- just send any
email to:
join-eckel-oo-programming@earth.lyris.net
My schedule can be found at:
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===================




From luke@seeto.com  Thu May 17 19:19:28 2001
From: luke@seeto.com (Luke Tymowski)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:19:28 -0400
Subject: [Zope] A corker
In-Reply-To: <200105171106470830.002B094F@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>; from Bruce@EckelObjects.com on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:06:47AM -0700
References: <200105170757260110.005768BD@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com> <200105171106470830.002B094F@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <20010517141928.C14421@seeto.com>

hello,

> (1) get TheArgument from inside TheDTMLMethod (methinks
> PARENTS[0], but that seemed to be problematic)
> (2) Open the DTML document, once I have the argument

<dtml-var "learn.learn_at_home()">

would give you the processed contents of a dtml method (learn_at_home) found in the learn folder.


<dtml-var "learn.learn_at_home">

would give you the raw contents of a dtml method (learn_at_home) found in the learn folder.


<dtml-with archives>
<dtml-with 2001>
<dtml-in "objectValues(['DTML Document'])" size=3 sort=title reverse>
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('renderedfooter',1)">
<dtml-var sequence-item>
<a href="<dtml-var absolute_url>" title="Permanent link to the entry for <dtml-var title>">PermaLink</a>
<br /> 
</dtml-in>
</dtml-with>
</dtml-with>
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('renderedfooter',0)">

that snippet digs into the folders archives -> 2001,
tells Zope not to process the headers and footers (more to it than that),
inserts the contents of the dtml document with the line <dtml-var sequence-item>

the contents being whatever is in the dtml document except the header and footer code.

hope that helps,

luke



From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May 17 19:46:29 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:46:29 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??
References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010516120348.00a64038@192.168.0.99> <3B025347.22CBBF54@nipltd.com> <008001c0de27$5f26c100$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <3B039672.32E711DD@nipltd.com> <03e801c0deb4$40fa29f0$5c773fc1@media1> <004d01c0def0$fe839f10$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <3B040131.AA5376E1@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c0df01$af967b50$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Actually since I moved to Canada from the UK, aint got sued once. Yet :)
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "Andy McKay" <andym@activestate.com>
Cc: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>; "Jawad" <jawad@shebaak.com>;
<zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??


>
>
> Andy McKay wrote:
> >
> > That's it! Time to sue :)
>
> Spot the North American :-P
>
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



From luke@seeto.com  Thu May 17 19:56:02 2001
From: luke@seeto.com (Luke Tymowski)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:56:02 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??
In-Reply-To: <00b501c0df01$af967b50$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>; from andym@ActiveState.com on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:46:29AM -0700
References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010516120348.00a64038@192.168.0.99> <3B025347.22CBBF54@nipltd.com> <008001c0de27$5f26c100$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <3B039672.32E711DD@nipltd.com> <03e801c0deb4$40fa29f0$5c773fc1@media1> <004d01c0def0$fe839f10$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <3B040131.AA5376E1@nipltd.com> <00b501c0df01$af967b50$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <20010517145602.D14421@seeto.com>

hello,

> Actually since I moved to Canada from the UK, aint got sued once. Yet :)

yes. i think it's more of an American thing.
here (Toronto) we always joke whenever anyone says or does someone the other doesn't like, "too bad we aren't in America - i could sue you and retire."  where it might something like a coworker using up the last of the office milk or not putting paper in the printer.

luke



From rob.sheppard@btinternet.com  Thu May 17 20:03:07 2001
From: rob.sheppard@btinternet.com (rob.sheppard@btinternet.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:03:07 00100
Subject: [Zope] 2.3.2 SiteRoot and ZCatalog Woe
Message-ID: <3b04206b.192a.0@btinternet.com>

Hi,
I'm using SiteRoot on a 2.3.2 installation. It looks like 
there is a mismatch between the Zcatalog and Siteroot.

When I add a new catalogaware Zclass instance to a 
Catalog it gets cataloged with its SiteRoot relative path 
(i.e not including the real root folder), which is what I 
would expect. But when I try to access the cataloged 
object's properties from DTML using either the new 
getObject or the old getobject(data_record_id_), I get a 
key error.

If I use the "Find Objects" tab in the Catalog's 
management interface, it catalogs duplicates of the 
objects (i.e. the object is in there twice), but this time 
with the full path from Zope's real root (i.e. ignoring the 
SiteRoot). And I *can* access these using get[Oo]bject.

So it looks to me like ZCatalog is not aware of 
SiteRoot's URL magic.

Anyone got a patch?

---
Rob


From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 17 20:37:54 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:37:54 -0400
Subject: [Zope] 2.3.2 SiteRoot and ZCatalog Woe
References: <3b04206b.192a.0@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <040101c0df08$dea52070$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Hi Rob,

I believe CatalogAware is not virtual host aware.  Use CatalogPathAware
instead, IIRC.

- C

----- Original Message -----
From: <rob.sheppard@btinternet.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:03 PM
Subject: [Zope] 2.3.2 SiteRoot and ZCatalog Woe


> Hi,
> I'm using SiteRoot on a 2.3.2 installation. It looks like
> there is a mismatch between the Zcatalog and Siteroot.
>
> When I add a new catalogaware Zclass instance to a
> Catalog it gets cataloged with its SiteRoot relative path
> (i.e not including the real root folder), which is what I
> would expect. But when I try to access the cataloged
> object's properties from DTML using either the new
> getObject or the old getobject(data_record_id_), I get a
> key error.
>
> If I use the "Find Objects" tab in the Catalog's
> management interface, it catalogs duplicates of the
> objects (i.e. the object is in there twice), but this time
> with the full path from Zope's real root (i.e. ignoring the
> SiteRoot). And I *can* access these using get[Oo]bject.
>
> So it looks to me like ZCatalog is not aware of
> SiteRoot's URL magic.
>
> Anyone got a patch?
>
> ---
> Rob
>
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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May 17 22:32:34 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:32:34 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??
References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010516120348.00a64038@192.168.0.99> <3B025347.22CBBF54@nipltd.com> <008001c0de27$5f26c100$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <3B039672.32E711DD@nipltd.com> <03e801c0deb4$40fa29f0$5c773fc1@media1> <004d01c0def0$fe839f10$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <3B040131.AA5376E1@nipltd.com> <00b501c0df01$af967b50$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <20010517145602.D14421@seeto.com>
Message-ID: <3B044372.76363D87@kaivo.com>

Luke Tymowski wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> > Actually since I moved to Canada from the UK, aint got sued once. Yet :)
> 
> yes. i think it's more of an American thing.
> here (Toronto) we always joke whenever anyone says or does someone the other doesn't like, "too bad we aren't in America - i could sue you and retire."  where it might something like a coworker using up the last of the office milk or not putting paper in the printer.
> 
> luke
> 

I am drawing up a defamation of character suit right now. You'll be
hearing from my lawyer buck-o!

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From drees@the-bridge.net  Thu May 17 22:35:15 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:35:15 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??
In-Reply-To: <3B044372.76363D87@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOMEJADHAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> > > Actually since I moved to Canada from the UK, aint got sued 
> once. Yet :)
> > 
> > yes. i think it's more of an American thing.
> > here (Toronto) we always joke whenever anyone says or does 
> someone the other doesn't like, "too bad we aren't in America - i 
> could sue you and retire."  where it might something like a 
> coworker using up the last of the office milk or not putting 
> paper in the printer.
> > 
> > luke
> > 
> 
> I am drawing up a defamation of character suit right now. You'll be
> hearing from my lawyer buck-o!

Mind if I join you in a class-action suit? ;)



From astlj@hotmail.com  Thu May 17 23:13:29 2001
From: astlj@hotmail.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:13:29 -0800
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking
Message-ID: <F37vCiE895LUzxrApUE00004574@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

Could someone point me to a URL or other resource that explains how to plug 
in the CoreSessionTracking product? (This one is for the guy who will 
actually maintain the server.)

My question is where can I find some code examples of using the session 
objects. I'm interested in syntax really, because I'm already familiar with 
Session objects from ColdFusion and ASP.

Thanks in advance,

Tommy
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From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May 17 23:21:09 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:21:09 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Professional Sites Using Zope??
References: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOMEJADHAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <00c101c0df1f$ad04d850$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> > I am drawing up a defamation of character suit right now. You'll be
> > hearing from my lawyer buck-o!
>
> Mind if I join you in a class-action suit? ;)

Thats it we'll retaliate by not allowing water exports to the States, NAFTA
be damned :)

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.



From jason_zope@yahoo.com  Thu May 17 23:25:31 2001
From: jason_zope@yahoo.com (Jason Byron)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:25:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] problem with PIL .save
In-Reply-To: <01051715123601.00500@eva>
Message-ID: <20010517222531.27254.qmail@web4602.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> When we run the following code from python we have no prob,
> we get the rectangle image file img.png, and we also see it
> in xv according to the im.show()
> 
>     import Image, ImageDraw
>     im = Image.new("RGB",(200,200))
>     draw = ImageDraw.Draw(im)
>     draw.rectangle((10,10,100,150), fill=(255,255,255))
>     del draw
>     im.show()
>     im.save("/usr/tmp/img.png","PNG")
> 
> Now the problem is when we use the same code in a python
> external
> method called from zope. we get the following error:
> 
> 

don't know if this will help but I've used PIL in Zope before
and I use code like this to get an image:


from cStringIO import StringIO
import PIL


image = PIL.Image.new("RGB",(40,40))

...

outFile = StringIO()
image.save(outFile, "GIF")
outFile.seek(0)
outString = outFile.read()
return outString

>
>

I believe save tries to save to disk, and StringIO lets
you do the same commands but uses memory instead.

never tried PNG image though

hth,

jason




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From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 17 23:32:43 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:32:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking
References: <F37vCiE895LUzxrApUE00004574@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B04518B.2872143B@digicool.com>

Hi Tommy,

Have you read the document in the help directory that comes with the
product?

- C


Tommy Johnson wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Could someone point me to a URL or other resource that explains how to plug
> in the CoreSessionTracking product? (This one is for the guy who will
> actually maintain the server.)
> 
> My question is where can I find some code examples of using the session
> objects. I'm interested in syntax really, because I'm already familiar with
> Session objects from ColdFusion and ASP.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Tommy
> _________________________________________________________________
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From luciano@hiper.com.br  Fri May 18 00:08:40 2001
From: luciano@hiper.com.br (Luciano Ramalho)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:08:40 -0300
Subject: [Zope] A corker
References: <200105170757260110.005768BD@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com> <200105171106470830.002B094F@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <3B0459F7.969C15C6@hiper.com.br>

Bruce Eckel wrote:
> Inside a DTML method that's called with an argument via
> acquisition (I may be misusing the term here), if the
> argument represents a DTML document name:
> 
> http://www.foobar.org/place/TheArgument/TheDTMLMethod
> 
> How do I
> 
> (1) get TheArgument from inside TheDTMLMethod (methinks
> PARENTS[0], but that seemed to be problematic)
> (2) Open the DTML document, once I have the argument

I think you are using aquisition in a very unusual manner. Don't think
of the URL path elements as arguments, but as context for a method call.
Zope is essentially an ORB that maps URLs to invocations of methods.
Normally, everything in a Zope URL are objects, except the last element
which maybe a method name or an object whose default method (usually
index_html) will be invoked. 

In your case, TheArgument should not be a string that you will use to
fetch a document, but rather a reference to the document itself, upon
which your method will operate. In other words, this:

http://www.foobar.org/place/TheArgument/TheDTMLMethod

is like this:

place.TheArgument.TheDTMLMethod()

So maybe you can say TheArgument is like the "self" argument, after
all...
 
By putting TheArgument in the acquisition path, you acquire
TheArgument's attributes, that is, its attributes are added to your
namespace stack, where your method can access them directly.

Also, be careful not to confuse context with containment. The container
of a method is the folder where it is statically located. The context of
a method very often is the same as the container, but as you already
know it may not be. The context is given by the acquisition path spelled
out in the URL of the request.

In a recent tutorial, I used an altered version of an image from Grady
Booch's OOAD book to explain acquisition. You can see it here:

http://www.hiperlogica.com.br/en/laboratorio/palestras/acquisition/img4.htm

Best regards,


Luciano


From dkennedy@acm.org  Fri May 18 00:57:44 2001
From: dkennedy@acm.org (David Kennedy)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:57:44 GMT
Subject: [Zope] GoLive, WebDAV and ZPT
Message-ID: <20010517.23574462@dksy-win98.bconnected.net>

I would like to connect to ZPT with GoLive using WebDAV

Is there any documentation on Zope's WebDAV server ?
Does WebDAV need to be configured after Zope is installed ?
Does WebDAV listen on a certain port ?
What settings need to be entered into GoLive for Zope's WebDAV server?
  GoLive's WebDAV Browser displays the message "can't connect to server"=
=20

Any help would be appreciated
David


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Fri May 18 01:21:28 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:21:28 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope + ADO ?
Message-ID: <004601c0df30$7dcec120$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

I was describing Zope to an network system engineer recently. He was very
interested but said he wanted to read the docuemntation on intefarceing Zope
with Microsoft ADO stuff.

Does anyone have any suggestions about answering this?

./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Fri May 18 01:49:34 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:49:34 -0400
Subject: A to Zope => was {Re: [Zope] A corker}
References: <200105170757260110.005768BD@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com> <200105171106470830.002B094F@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com> <3B0459F7.969C15C6@hiper.com.br>
Message-ID: <006401c0df34$69544e00$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

Great post Luciano!

..and very interesting diagrams.

Interested in contributing to a new Zope zine/CDROM project?

"A to ZOPE: A Zope Object Patterns Encyclopedia"

The first thing I am looking for are people's true 'back-of-napkin' or
whiteboard schematics. The ones they draw when they are really explaining,
discussing or brainstorming Zope. Literally.

These are typically dynamic sketches which grow over th course of an intense
meeting, accompanied by suitable pointing, swapping of pens  and talking.

I want to render a set of these dynimically using Flash5 linked to a .zexp
file, as a strong way to 'Visaully Think' Zope. I hope one result will be a
useful resource for the Zope community, for clients, for devopers, for
training.

I am am happy to do the Flash programming , but what is missing right now
are a collection of zopsitas raw drawings. I have my own 5x8 I use for all
my work and keep as refernce.

If your are interested please contact me and/or send me scans of any
napkins!
[originals welcome epsecially with authenticated coffee stains :-)]


thanks

./Jason
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Luciano Ramalho" <luciano@hiper.com.br>
To: <Bruce@EckelObjects.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>; <chrism@digicool.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] A corker


> Bruce Eckel wrote:
> > Inside a DTML method that's called with an argument via
> > acquisition (I may be misusing the term here), if the
> > argument represents a DTML document name:
> >
> > http://www.foobar.org/place/TheArgument/TheDTMLMethod
> >
> > How do I
> >
> > (1) get TheArgument from inside TheDTMLMethod (methinks
> > PARENTS[0], but that seemed to be problematic)
> > (2) Open the DTML document, once I have the argument
>
> I think you are using aquisition in a very unusual manner. Don't think
> of the URL path elements as arguments, but as context for a method call.
> Zope is essentially an ORB that maps URLs to invocations of methods.
> Normally, everything in a Zope URL are objects, except the last element
> which maybe a method name or an object whose default method (usually
> index_html) will be invoked.
>
> In your case, TheArgument should not be a string that you will use to
> fetch a document, but rather a reference to the document itself, upon
> which your method will operate. In other words, this:
>
> http://www.foobar.org/place/TheArgument/TheDTMLMethod
>
> is like this:
>
> place.TheArgument.TheDTMLMethod()
>
> So maybe you can say TheArgument is like the "self" argument, after
> all...
>
> By putting TheArgument in the acquisition path, you acquire
> TheArgument's attributes, that is, its attributes are added to your
> namespace stack, where your method can access them directly.
>
> Also, be careful not to confuse context with containment. The container
> of a method is the folder where it is statically located. The context of
> a method very often is the same as the container, but as you already
> know it may not be. The context is given by the acquisition path spelled
> out in the URL of the request.
>
> In a recent tutorial, I used an altered version of an image from Grady
> Booch's OOAD book to explain acquisition. You can see it here:
>
>
http://www.hiperlogica.com.br/en/laboratorio/palestras/acquisition/img4.htm
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Luciano




From daniel.a.fulton@delphiauto.com  Fri May 18 01:44:14 2001
From: daniel.a.fulton@delphiauto.com (daniel.a.fulton@delphiauto.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:44:14 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Z SQL method results from a python script
Message-ID: <05256A50.0004AB33.00@notes.delphiauto.com>

I have a Z SQL method named "employ_data" as below:

          SELECT SUM(employ_hour) AS sum_hour, SUM(employ_salary+employ_hour) AS
sum_total, division
                          WHERE employ_record.month=<dtml-sqlvar month
type=string>
                          AND employ_record.year=<dtml-sqlvar year type=int>
                         GROUP BY division

This method has been tested and returns multiple rows in the result set
correctly with input for month, year.

I want to use this method in a python script but can't for the life of me get it
to return the entire result set.

Python script:

           results = context.employ_data(month=month, year=year)

           for result in results:
                        return result.sum_hour, result.sum_total,
result.division

This returns only one record -- the first record in the result set.   I need the
entire result set.

Am I misusing this or have incorrect script?

Thanks,
Daniel




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 18 08:49:35 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:49:35 +0100
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com>

Did anyone else get the following message?

I got it twice and am really fucking pissed off! Since when did DC start
spamming people?
I hope this new CEO isn't going to mark DC becoming a bunch of commercial
arseholes who think this is a way to communicate with people.

I would encourage anyone who got this to report it on spamcop.net.

Chris
(can you tell I don't like spam?!)

Zope Survey wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> During the last year you visited Zope.org and we are asking your help
> today to understand how we can serve you better in the future. Digital
> Creations, the creators of Zope, would like your input on future product
> enhancements, how to build a stronger Zope community, and additional
> services you may need.
> 
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> Without the support of community members like you, Digital Creations
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> Digital Creations
> 
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From alex@quad.com.ar  Fri May 18 09:05:52 2001
From: alex@quad.com.ar (Alex)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 05:05:52 -0300
Subject: [Zope] DateTime and mxDateTime confusion
Message-ID: <001901c0df71$5bb91a90$0201a8c0@ALEX>

I've got some big confusion about DateTime objects on zope:

in short:
- zope has a built-in object called DateTime available in 'script (python)'
- python has a 3rd party module mxDateTime which is called the same:
"DateTime"
question is: why did zope developers choose an existing name for that ?!

a more detailed description:
I was trying PsycopgDA (postgresql database adaptor) which converts sql
timestamp fields to DateTime objects and I wanted the floating point number
in UTC of it, so I called it's method timeTime() , but that method didn't
exist. I wanted to be sure the object I was using was really a DateTime
object so I've tried type(myObject) and it did return "DateTime" (note: type
is an external method which returns the python's function type()). I created
a DateTime object doing x = DateTime() and when I call x.timeTime() it
worked, so I've tried type(x) and it also return "DateTime". Both objects
were "DateTime" objects, but one was a zope built-in object called DateTime
and the other was the python's 3rd party module mxDateTime also called
"DateTime"

Using the same object type name on different object types is not what I call
a very intuitive idea. Why did zope go that way?

any comments?

thanks for your [Date] Time =)
Alex Verstraeten








From H.de.Wit@SFK.NL  Fri May 18 08:30:52 2001
From: H.de.Wit@SFK.NL (H.de.Wit@SFK.NL)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:30:52 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Z SQL method results from a python script
Message-ID: <OF56733F77.21D692BE-ONC1256A50.00240C08@Z-INDEX.NL>

>results = context.employ_data(month=month, year=year)
>for result in results:
>    return result.sum_hour, result.sum_total, result.division

>This returns only one record -- the first record in the result set.   I
need the
>entire result set.

My eurocents:
return stops the current script and returns immediately.
The for loop loops over all records.
Att the first record it sees a return and the script stops.
I am not a python expert and i didn't test it, but may be you could try
something like this:

To make it work you need to change your SQL method,
returning only the columns you need.

To be honest i couldn't make i working the way you want it.
I would say this should work (but it wasn't):

newresults=[]
for object in context.employ_data(month=month, year=year):
   result=[object.sum_hour, object.sum_total, object.division]
   newresults.append(result)
return newresults

That was the best i have for you, sorry


Met vriendelijke groeten,

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                    Sent by:                    cc:                                                
                    zope-admin@zope.org         Fax to:                                            
                                                Subject:     [Zope] Z SQL method results from a    
                                                python script                                      
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I have a Z SQL method named "employ_data" as below:

          SELECT SUM(employ_hour) AS sum_hour,
SUM(employ_salary+employ_hour) AS
sum_total, division
                          WHERE employ_record.month=<dtml-sqlvar month
type=string>
                          AND employ_record.year=<dtml-sqlvar year
type=int>
                         GROUP BY division

This method has been tested and returns multiple rows in the result set
correctly with input for month, year.

I want to use this method in a python script but can't for the life of me
get it
to return the entire result set.

Python script:

           results = context.employ_data(month=month, year=year)

           for result in results:
                        return result.sum_hour, result.sum_total,
result.division

This returns only one record -- the first record in the result set.   I
need the
entire result set.

Am I misusing this or have incorrect script?

Thanks,
Daniel



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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Fri May 18 09:30:10 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:30:10 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
In-Reply-To: <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105181228360.13049-100000@phd.fep.ru>

Hello!

   I have got 5 such messages - on many of my addresses. I don't know how
they collected these addressess... Aha, mail lists... :(

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> Did anyone else get the following message?
>
> I got it twice and am really fucking pissed off! Since when did DC start
> spamming people?
> I hope this new CEO isn't going to mark DC becoming a bunch of commercial
> arseholes who think this is a way to communicate with people.
>
> I would encourage anyone who got this to report it on spamcop.net.
>
> Chris
> (can you tell I don't like spam?!)
>
> Zope Survey wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > During the last year you visited Zope.org and we are asking your help
> > today to understand how we can serve you better in the future. Digital
> > Creations, the creators of Zope, would like your input on future product
> > enhancements, how to build a stronger Zope community, and additional
> > services you may need.
> >
> > Maintaining Zope as Open Source software is expensive and time intensive.
> > Without the support of community members like you, Digital Creations
> > would not be able to make more award winning changes to Zope.  So please
> > take a moment and fill out this brief survey at:
> >
> > http://www.digicool.com/IZS/ZS310475/survey
> >
> > Thank you in advance for your time and cooperation
> >
> > Brian Methvin
> > CEO & President
> > Digital Creations
> >
> > If you have been sent this message by mistake, please accept our sincere
> > apology. You can have your email removed from our lists and avoid future
> > emails from us by using the following URL:
> >
> > http://www.digicool.com/IZS/ZS310475/remove
>
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>

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From michal.bukovjan@openone.cz  Fri May 18 09:41:30 2001
From: michal.bukovjan@openone.cz (Michal Bukovjan)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:41:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] New LoginMethod for LoginManager
Message-ID: <3B04E03A.2070309@openone.cz>

Hello,

we need to write a custom LoginMethod for LoginManager (0.8.8b1).

 From the list I read it is quite simple, but we do not know where to start:

- do we have to write a Python Product based on PlugIn?
- is it possible to create a folder-like object directly in Zope and 
create a set of methods inside that implement the API?
- maybe a ZClass?

In LoginManager, there is a HOWTO promised for about a year, but still 
nothing.

Basically, we would like to avoid going into the Python and write a product.

Any hints?

Thanks,

Michal Bukovjan



From tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk  Fri May 18 09:42:22 2001
From: tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk (Tony McDonald)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:42:22 +0100
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
In-Reply-To: <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <B72A9EFD.82FB%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>

On 18/5/01 8:49 am, "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com> wrote:

> Did anyone else get the following message?
> 
> I got it twice and am really fucking pissed off! Since when did DC start
> spamming people?
> I hope this new CEO isn't going to mark DC becoming a bunch of commercial
> arseholes who think this is a way to communicate with people.
> 
> I would encourage anyone who got this to report it on spamcop.net.
> 
> Chris
> (can you tell I don't like spam?!)
> 
> Zope Survey wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> During the last year you visited Zope.org and we are asking your help
>> today to understand how we can serve you better in the future. Digital
>> Creations, the creators of Zope, would like your input on future product
>> enhancements, how to build a stronger Zope community, and additional
>> services you may need.

Chris,
Calm down.

As far as I can see, this is an email sent to those people who signed up at
Zope.org. Apart from the email sent a while ago telling people that old
accounts on Zope.org would be purged this is the only email I (think) I've
ever got from some automated system from Zope or DC.

I would hope that this email has been sent only to those people who did say
they were still interested in having their Zope space kept open and by doing
this, it seems DC have *deliberately tried* not to send extraneous spam.

The survey is very small, and seems to be targetted at finding out what it
is people want from Zope and DC, both now and in the future. Personally, I'm
glad they did it this way, and not by asking for open-ended comment on the
list (can you imagine the traffic levels then?).

What we have with Zope and DC troops is a very valuable resource - I *know*
we couldn't continue without this software. I'd advise people to fill in the
survey, let DC know what they want, and try to make this whole thing better.

Here's a URL that the survey engine gave me to pass onto interested parties;

http://www.digicool.com/IZS/ZS925095/survey

And please people, *don't* report this email from DC to spamcop!!

Tone (who is totally icebox and relaxed at the moment).
-- 
Dr Tony McDonald,  Assistant Director, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/
The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 18 09:53:32 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:53:32 +0100
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
References: <B72A9EFD.82FB%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3B04E30C.2C8EDFB1@nipltd.com>

Tony McDonald wrote:
> 
> As far as I can see, this is an email sent to those people who signed up at
> Zope.org. Apart from the email sent a while ago telling people that old
> accounts on Zope.org would be purged this is the only email I (think) I've
> ever got from some automated system from Zope or DC.

Me too, but this was a very commercial feeling mail which is why it set off
alarm bells ;-)

> I would hope that this email has been sent only to those people who did say
> they were still interested in having their Zope space kept open and by doing
> this, it seems DC have *deliberately tried* not to send extraneous spam.

Hmmm... Oleg got 5 copies, I got 2, that suggests hoovered email addresses from
mailing list postings rather than email addresses from zope.org membership, for
example, but perhaps someone from DC can enlighten us?

> The survey is very small, and seems to be targetted at finding out what it
> is people want from Zope and DC, both now and in the future. Personally, I'm
> glad they did it this way, and not by asking for open-ended comment on the
> list (can you imagine the traffic levels then?).

Well, what I would have much preferred to see is a posting to the zope@zope.org
list and a news item on zope.org. Surely that would have been a much less
offensive way to advertise the survey?

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 18 10:12:21 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:12:21 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot 1.1.0 (stripogram.py):  HTML filtering problems
References: <3AF7343A.D187EB7@nipltd.com> <20010508202459.J21247@esoterica.pt>
Message-ID: <3B04E775.5426FA6F@nipltd.com>

J M Cerqueira Esteves wrote:
> 
> On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 12:48:10AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
> >    - HTML parsing now done using the Strip-o-Gram library.
> 
>   html2safehtml ('Roses <b>are</B> red,<br/<blink>QUACK<//blink> violets '
>                  '<i>are</i> blue',
>                  valid_tags=['b','i','br'])
> 
> successfully smuggling a <blink>...</blink> inside the result:
> 
>        'Roses <b>are</b> red,<br><blink>QUACK</blink> violets <i>are</i> blue'

Okay, this is now fixed in the Squishdot CVS thanks to a very good HTMLParser
from the PythonLabs guys :-)

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 18 10:24:00 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:24:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105181228360.13049-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <3B04EA30.ECEE7AEF@nipltd.com>

Oleg Broytmann wrote:
> 
>    I have got 5 such messages - on many of my addresses. I don't know how
> they collected these addressess... Aha, mail lists... :(

Yeah, read the privacy policy on www.digicool.com, it's not very encouraging :-(

Chris


From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Fri May 18 10:35:06 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:35:06 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope problems with IE5
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010516140636.00bea440@mail.fredericksburg.com>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHAEPICAAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Have you tried fiddling with the "LAN settings" option (at the bottom of the
Connections tab)? Maybe set it to use a Proxy Server, but bypass it for
local addresses? Can you tell I'm grasping at straws here?? ;-)

Maybe someone with more knowledge can give better advice, but I remember
from my days of setting up intranets that any IE connection problems could
often be cured by "randomly changing those settings till it works!" :-)

HTH, but I suspect it doesnt!

Cheers, Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
Sherwood Robinson
Sent: 16 May 2001 19:12
To: Jon Edwards; Zope - mailing list
Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope problems with IE5


I have this problem on the server actually running Zope.  As long as I
access the manage area from other than the server all is fine.   I have
been having this problem since 2.3.X.




From dvg@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 18 10:37:50 2001
From: dvg@vet.uu.nl (Diny van der Donk)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:37:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
In-Reply-To: <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com>
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010518113750.007ae820@mail.vet.uu.nl>

At 08:49 AM 5/18/01 +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
>Did anyone else get the following message?
>
>I got it twice and am really fucking pissed off! Since when did DC start
>spamming people?
>I hope this new CEO isn't going to mark DC becoming a bunch of commercial
>arseholes who think this is a way to communicate with people.
>
>I would encourage anyone who got this to report it on spamcop.net.
>[...]

Well, i found it in my mailbox this morning and the only thing i thought was:
How nice of DC to ask me what i want.
Actually i already filled in the survey before i saw these reactions. So,
for me it's no problem if this can help DC to find out what people want and
use it to improve Zope.

Diny

DIVA, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine
Utrecht University,  The Netherlands
http://www.vet.uu.nl 


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 18 10:48:12 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:48:12 +0100
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3.0.5.32.20010518113750.007ae820@mail.vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3B04EFDC.1DC337@nipltd.com>

Diny van der Donk wrote:
> 
> Well, i found it in my mailbox this morning and the only thing i thought was:
> How nice of DC to ask me what i want.

I couldn't agree more :-)
It's only the method of delivery that i haev a problem with...

cheers,

Chris


From p.mayers@ic.ac.uk  Fri May 18 10:55:18 2001
From: p.mayers@ic.ac.uk (Mayers, Philip J)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:55:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
Message-ID: <A0F836836670D41183A800508BAF190B35E65A@icex1.cc.ic.ac.uk>

Heh - I did the exact same thing (filled it in, thinking "Cool, they're
asking me good stuff").

In retrospect, a post to the mailing lists, and a URL on zope.org would have
been more appropriate.

Regards,
Phil

+----------------------------------+
| Phil Mayers, Network Support     |
| Centre for Computing Services    |
| Imperial College                 |
+----------------------------------+  

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Withers [mailto:chrisw@nipltd.com]
Sent: 18 May 2001 10:48
To: Diny van der Donk
Cc: Zope Survey; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)


Diny van der Donk wrote:
> 
> Well, i found it in my mailbox this morning and the only thing i thought
was:
> How nice of DC to ask me what i want.

I couldn't agree more :-)
It's only the method of delivery that i haev a problem with...

cheers,

Chris

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From khine@bmpublications.co.uk  Fri May 18 11:51:59 2001
From: khine@bmpublications.co.uk (Norman Khine)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:51:59 +0100
Subject: [Zope] ZODB FS FS21 ERROR
Message-ID: <NEBBJJAMDEIHBICDCNBOEEKPCJAA.khine@bmpublications.co.uk>

Every time I try to pack the database I get this error

2001-05-18T10:45:52 ERROR(200) ZODB FS FS21 ERROR: Bad reference to
('\000\000\000\000\000\000\034h', '')

The database packs ok, but I am not sure what it means.

Thanks

Norman






From Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com  Fri May 18 12:01:28 2001
From: Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:01:28 -0400
Subject: [Zope] DateTime and mxDateTime confusion
References: <001901c0df71$5bb91a90$0201a8c0@ALEX>
Message-ID: <002e01c0df89$e76eb640$0901000a@SUXLAP>

>From: "Alex" <alex@quad.com.ar>
Subject: [Zope] DateTime and mxDateTime confusion


> I've got some big confusion about DateTime objects on zope:
>
> in short:
> - zope has a built-in object called DateTime available in 'script
(python)'
> - python has a 3rd party module mxDateTime which is called the same:
> "DateTime"
> question is: why did zope developers choose an existing name for that ?!

Who was first - the chicken or the egg ? I can't say mxDateTime introduced
DateTime first or Zope did it first.And I think this is not the point. You
will have
this problems with others modules too when using "from module import xxx"
and xxx is available in another module too. The best way to get around is
to "import module" and use "module.xxx". This should avoid all conflicts.


> a more detailed description:
> I was trying PsycopgDA (postgresql database adaptor) which converts sql
> timestamp fields to DateTime objects and I wanted the floating point
number
> in UTC of it, so I called it's method timeTime() , but that method didn't
> exist. I wanted to be sure the object I was using was really a DateTime
> object so I've tried type(myObject) and it did return "DateTime" (note:
type
> is an external method which returns the python's function type()). I
created
> a DateTime object doing x = DateTime() and when I call x.timeTime() it
> worked, so I've tried type(x) and it also return "DateTime". Both objects
> were "DateTime" objects, but one was a zope built-in object called
DateTime
> and the other was the python's 3rd party module mxDateTime also called
> "DateTime"

Maybe you could rewrite the check using isinstance() instead of using
type().

> Using the same object type name on different object types is not what I
call
> a very intuitive idea. Why did zope go that way?

This happens often is not limited to Zope. It is also not an intuitive idea
to
"from world import *". This is unclean too :-))

Cheers,
Andreas




From ppetru@ppetru.net  Fri May 18 12:43:45 2001
From: ppetru@ppetru.net (Petru Paler)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:43:45 +0300
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
In-Reply-To: <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:49:35AM +0100
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010518144345.A2726@ppetru.net>

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:49:35AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
> I hope this new CEO isn't going to mark DC becoming a bunch of commercial
> arseholes who think this is a way to communicate with people.

[holding off the spam comments for now, I dislike it too]

I must have been missed for too much, but when did the DC CEO change?
Where's Paul?

--
Petru Paler, mailto:ppetru@ppetru.net
http://www.ppetru.net - ICQ: 41817235


From stephan.goeldi@datacomm.ch  Fri May 18 12:48:16 2001
From: stephan.goeldi@datacomm.ch (Stephan Goeldi)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:48:16
Subject: [Zope] longest runnig Zope
Message-ID: <F109me6g6foxui5FPCi0000a3c8@hotmail.com>

44 days
RedHat 7.0 on AMD K7

-goe-

_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.



From Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com  Fri May 18 12:50:54 2001
From: Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:50:54 -0400
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com> <20010518144345.A2726@ppetru.net>
Message-ID: <00df01c0df90$cc0b4830$0901000a@SUXLAP>

http://www.digicool.com/news/BrianMethvin

From: "Petru Paler" <ppetru@ppetru.net>
To: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
Cc: "Zope Survey" <zope_survey@digicool.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)


> On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:49:35AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
> > I hope this new CEO isn't going to mark DC becoming a bunch of
commercial
> > arseholes who think this is a way to communicate with people.
>
> [holding off the spam comments for now, I dislike it too]
>
> I must have been missed for too much, but when did the DC CEO change?
> Where's Paul?
>




From rgacote@AppropriateSolutions.com  Fri May 18 13:26:56 2001
From: rgacote@AppropriateSolutions.com (Ray Cote)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:26:56 -0400
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
In-Reply-To: <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com>
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <a0500190ab72ac437a74e@[192.168.24.203]>

So let's see. 

We're talking about a company interested in reaching out to their marketplace--current and potential. 

They want to find people who perhaps looked at Zope and then abandoned it to understand why they did so.

They are looking for feedback from the community, and the first response on this list is a load of unprofessional, immature, profanity? 

Come on now. Try to be a grown up for a few minutes. 

If you're truly offended, head on over to their survey and let them know. 

I for one have no need of this blather on the mail list.
I have code to write and problems to solve. 

Ray
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From erik@thingamy.net  Fri May 18 13:41:10 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:41:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
In-Reply-To: <B72A9EFD.82FB%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105181432220.19987-100000@bcryachts.atsat.com>

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Tony McDonald wrote:

> I would hope that this email has been sent only to those people who
> did say they were still interested in having their Zope space kept
> open and by doing this, it seems DC have *deliberately tried* not to
> send extraneous spam.

How strange then, that I recieved two accounts of the Zope Survey
invitation to two "old" e-mail addresses I have had.  None of which (as
far as I can remember) has ever appeared in my properties as a member on
Zope.org.  Quite on the contrary, the address I'm registred with at
Zope.org did not recieve the survey:

erik@src.no - recieved survey
erik@enge.net - recieved survey
erik@esol.no - registrered at Zope.org, but did not recieve survey
erik@thingamy.net - did not recieve survey

Hmpf.

Maybe a new attribute on the member object on Zope.org would do the trick;
wanna-recieve-survey-type-emails-every-now-and-then?  I wouldn't have a
problem checking "yes" on that one.  I did fill out the survey, but I
don't like the way it was distributed.




From seb@jamkit.com  Fri May 18 14:16:43 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:16:43 +0100
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
In-Reply-To: <3B04EFDC.1DC337@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 10:48:12AM +0100
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3.0.5.32.20010518113750.007ae820@mail.vet.uu.nl> <3B04EFDC.1DC337@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010518141643.C1240@lenin.jamkit.com>

Chris,

> > Well, i found it in my mailbox this morning and the only thing i thought was:
> > How nice of DC to ask me what i want.
> 
> I couldn't agree more :-)
> It's only the method of delivery that i haev a problem with...

I have to agree with you, although I think you probably had too much
coffee this morning...I'd say it without using 'arseholes' and
'fucking pissed off' ;-) 

This *is* an important issue, and as long as it doesn't turn into a
flame war, I think it's a fair enough thread.  Chris isn't slagging
off DC, he's raising a legitimate concern about something he cares a
lot about.  (Zope, not spam).

DC bet their success on open sourcing Zope partly because of the
community aspect.  The relationship between Zopists and DC is
excellent, and highly fruitful for both parties. But like any
relationship, to continue successfully, it needs to be consensual. 

DC's commitment to the community is great.  I feel like I know most of
the developers, how they code, what they're responsible for, because
they regularly contribute to the list.  That's why I think the manner
of getting the latest mail leaves a sour taste in the mouth.  We know
there's a new CEO, we don't know much about him, he's never introduced
himself on the list (has he?), and the first thing we get from him is
this spamlike email.  It doesn't do much to allay any of the
semiconscious but probably unfounded worries I have about the future
of this brilliant software and community (did somebody say
arsdigita?).  It just seems badly thought out, non-consensual, that
sort of thing.  

Brian Methvin, welcome to Zopeland - how do you do? :)

cheers,

seb



From grizel@mouli.net  Fri May 18 13:49:59 2001
From: grizel@mouli.net (Pierre-Julien Grizel)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:49:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
References: <B72A9EFD.82FB%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk> <3B04E30C.2C8EDFB1@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B051A77.31A8EC48@mouli.net>

Chris Withers wrote:
> 
> Tony McDonald wrote:
> >
> > As far as I can see, this is an email sent to those people who signed up at
> > Zope.org. Apart from the email sent a while ago telling people that old
> > accounts on Zope.org would be purged this is the only email I (think) I've
> > ever got from some automated system from Zope or DC.
> 
> Me too, but this was a very commercial feeling mail which is why it set off
> alarm bells ;-)
> 
> > I would hope that this email has been sent only to those people who did say
> > they were still interested in having their Zope space kept open and by doing
> > this, it seems DC have *deliberately tried* not to send extraneous spam.
> 
> Hmmm... Oleg got 5 copies, I got 2, that suggests hoovered email addresses from
> mailing list postings rather than email addresses from zope.org membership, for
> example, but perhaps someone from DC can enlighten us?
> 

Hi Chris,


I've had 2 emails, none of them with my Zope mailing-list subscription email
address. So...

Anyaway - sure DC should have been more careful about posting such a message.
Maybe they should have advertise people (ie in the mailing list or news item)
that they'd be sending a survey query.

But, never mind. I did answer the survey.


Regards,


P.-J.


From tom@othermedia.com  Fri May 18 13:52:58 2001
From: tom@othermedia.com (tom smith)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:52:58 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Xron problem solved (I think)
In-Reply-To: <15107.64611.611931.30926@holycow.acusd.edu>
Message-ID: <B72AD9B8.333E%tom@othermedia.com>

I've been having problems with Xron firing off reliably but now I've fixed
it. I'm not sure exactly what fixed it but here's what I did.

1 Reinstalled Xron and restarted Zope (don't think this did it).
2. Made sure all my Xron Methods had the security needed by selecting
manager/owner (Don't think it was this either)
3. My Xron method called External Methods , so I set the External Method to
have an Anonymous / View in it's security tab. (It may have been this)
4. My external method, although it had a dtml-try/except clause in it was
failing. I removed the bits that failed completely. (it could have been this
too!)
5. I repeatedly hit Update in the Schedule ( random clicks sometimes fixes
stuff doesn't it?)

I also did loads of other stuff but I think it was one of the above...

If you've been having these problems I hope this helps

Good luck

tom


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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Fri May 18 13:53:00 2001
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 05:53 -0700
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
Message-ID: <200105181253.FAA02269@webmail.speakeasy.net>

If this is so bad, good indication you need a worthy cause in your life. Let me suggest the fight against prohibition, the amerikan gulag.

Surveys are valid, proven method of gathering information. In a growing open source community it is an obvious tool. I'm glad someone is asking.


> ------------ Original Message -----------
> From: Andreas Jung <andreas@andreas-jung.com>
> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:50:54 -0400
> 
> http://www.digicool.com/news/BrianMethvin
> 
> From: "Petru Paler" <ppetru@ppetru.net>
> To: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> Cc: "Zope Survey" <zope_survey@digicool.com>; <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 7:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
> 
> 
> > On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:49:35AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
> > > I hope this new CEO isn't going to mark DC becoming a bunch of
> commercial
> > > arseholes who think this is a way to communicate with people.
> >
> > [holding off the spam comments for now, I dislike it too]
> >
> > I must have been missed for too much, but when did the DC CEO change?
> > Where's Paul?
> >
> 
> 
> 
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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Fri May 18 14:00:28 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:00:28 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
In-Reply-To: <a0500190ab72ac437a74e@[192.168.24.203]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105181658350.15502-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Ray Cote wrote:
> I for one have no need of this blather on the mail list.
> I have code to write and problems to solve.

   Yes, and I have code and problems. That's exactly why I don't whant to
receive 5 messages (sent to my different addresses) to fill the survey.

Oleg.
----
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           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 18 14:07:47 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:07:47 +0100
Subject: A reply to myself (Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey))
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com> <a0500190ab72ac437a74e@[192.168.24.203]>
Message-ID: <3B051EA3.C31620C4@nipltd.com>

Ever really wanted an 'unsend' or 'reword' button on your email client?
Now _there's_ a feature I would pay for...

Anyway, just to clear things up in a slightly less emotive way:

1. I _would_ like to know where DC got those email addresses from, and why they
chose to email that group of people. (the first part of which I think I'm
entitled to under the UK's Data Protection Act)

2. I was surprised that DC chose to send a bulk unsolicited email like that. I
would be surprised if such an email would entice people who have looked at Zope
and then abandoned it to come back and explain why.

3. The tone of the email (and the survey to some extent) was different to things
that have come through/from DC in the past. I used the word 'commercial' before
when I think I meant 'corporate'. DC has always had the feeling (and yes I know
that's a bad word) of a closely knit, supportive, friendly and helpful community
which we can all happilly interact with. The mail had the tone of the bumpf that
lands through the post from the likes of Lotus, Oracle, all the vars, etc, every
morning and goes straight in the bin ;-)

4. I did fill in the survey. I hope DC find the answers useful :-)

Anyway, the crux of the matter is this. I really like DC and I really think
they're doing a great job with Zope. That email didn't fit with the impression I
have got from DC over the past couple of years which suprised me. A lot. So
much, in fact, that I wrote that mail this morning. I apologise for the tone and
wording, and I hope the unsolicited mail was a one off.

cheers,

Chris


From Albert.Langer@Directory-Designs.org  Fri May 18 14:07:57 2001
From: Albert.Langer@Directory-Designs.org (Albert Langer)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:07:57 +1000
Subject: [Zope] xmlrpc slowness
In-Reply-To: <200105180247.f4I2las13585@jericho.sourcelight.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c0df9b$8f88b540$6628a8c0@nowhere.com>

[Shilad]
The new release is up on sourceforge.  It should be compatible with the
Zope client/server it was tested against.  It is at:

http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/py-xmlrpc

Let me know how it goes.  I'm curious to see what kind of speed increase
you see.  My guess is that the implementation at the other xmlrpc end will
be the bottle-neck pretty soon.

[Albert]
Thanks *very* much for this!!!

1000 xml-rpc calls per second with commodity hardware sounds pretty
attractive!

I've had to just pass it on to a friend to checkout at the moment, but
will try to get back to you soon with speed results, as I'm sure the
other 3 CCs will. I've added the Zope list back to the addresses as
there may be others there interested in trying it out now that Phil Harris
has confirmed the new version interworks correctly with the Zope
implementation. Also added [Zope-dev] list as Zope developers should
be more interested and Matt Hamilton as issues below may be closely
related to his posting "[Zope-dev] Asyncore in an external method".

http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2001-May/011274.html

In a previous email CC you said:

"I'm really excited that zope people may be using this.  Let me know if you
have any questions/concerns/requests."

As you've also done binary releases for Windows and the various unixen that
Zope does releases for, it should be suitable for actually integrating
into Zope rather than just as an add-on "Product" or it's present form
as just a separate python process talking to Zope rather than implementing
Zope's xml-rpc itself.

So here goes with some questions/concerns/requests...

In the README you mention:

"Some time I should document everything better, especially the nonblocking
aspects of the server and client."

and

"
* Non-Blocking IO:  This becomes important when you have critical
applications (especially servers) that CANNOT be held up because a client
is trickling a request in or is reading a response at 1 byte per second.

* Event based:  This goes hand in hand with non-blocking IO.  It lets you
use an event based model for your client/server application, where the
main body is basically the select loop on the file descriptors you are
interested in.  The work is done by registering callbacks for different
events you received on file descriptors.  This can be very nice.  There is
some work to be done here, but all the hooks are in place.  See TO DO for
a list of the features that have yet to be incorporated."

(BTW there is currently no "TO DO" file.)

These aspects are a very big advantage. For Zope as a client, I suspect
that the trickling issue may also be very important since it
could be blocking an expensive Zope thread while waiting for a
response from a slow remote server to pass on some information in
response to relayed request (ie http/xmlrpc relay mode or even straight
xmlrpc/xmlrpc proxy mode).

As you also mentioned, "the implementation at the other xmlrpc
end will be the bottle-neck pretty soon".

Sorry I'm not very familiar with how to do this stuff myself, so I have
3 questions which maybe you could answer when you get around to doing
those docs (or even better by also providing implementations in the
next release ;-) or perhaps someone else on CC list knows the answers
or is planning to do something about it?

1) I'm not sure if I've got it right, but my understanding is that despite
being based on a Medusa Reactor design that can handle many web hits
with a single thread, Zope also maintains a small pool of threads to
allow for (brief) blocking on calls to the file system for ZODB and
for (also brief) external connections. I suspect these threads are
"expensive" because they each end up keeping separate copies of
cached web pages etc (to avoid slow python thread switching). So
simply increasing the number of such threads is not recommended for
improving Zope performance - performance relies on the non-blocking
async Medusa Reactor design of Zserver, not on the threading, which
just seems to be a sort of extra workaround.

If that is correct, then a few concurrent external calls to slow external
xmlrpc servers (eg for credit card authorization taking 30 seconds
or more) could easily tie up a lot of Zope resources. The non-blocking
py-xmlrpc client could presumably surrender it's turn in the main event
loop for it's thread until a response is received and then be woken up
by the response, thus improving things greatly.

Unfortunately I have no idea how to do this - whether it would just happen
automatically or there are built in facilities for doing that sort of thing
easily in Zope already, or whether it is difficult to do.

I am just guessing that there would be some special
tricks needed to wake up a channel when a response comes back (eg using
the stuff in Zserver/medusa/select_trigger.py and Zserver/PubCore/.
which I don't fully understand, but looks relevant).

Maybe I have misunderstood, but it looks to me like existing
use of xmlrpc clients *from* Zope to external servers may not take this
into account, but just block a thread. So even though the *server* side of
xmlrpc used to "publish" zope objects is non-blocking with Zserver/Medusa,
it may be just blocking a Zope thread when either an xmlrpc or http web
"hit" results in a blocking xmlrpc call to an external server *from* Zope
as a client. Some difficulty handling a separate set of socket selects
for client calls to external servers may be the reason for this, and may
relate to Matt Hamilton's problem.

That might not show up in simple testing of the server side, but could
become a serious bottleneck with a heavy load of such external calls
arising from multiple web hits concurrently when Zope is acting as a
proxy/relay to a slow external server rather than just responding itself.

eg with 10 Zope threads and 30 second external delays you might end up
with every thread blocked when a hit arrives every 3 seconds if only the
server side of Zope is non-blocking but the client side blocks. That
would be a shame if the server alone could handle 1000 calls per second,
which might translate to 500 relayed or proxied calls per second,
(regardless of the external delay of 30 seconds) if both sides were
non-blocking (ok 30 x 500 = 15,000 micro-thread "channels" is pushing
it even though they are just dormant waiting for a response most of the
time - but references from the Medusa site indicate that sort of thing
is at least *theoretically* possible ;-)

http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html

At any rate, a *lot* more than 1 every 3 seconds should be feasible,
without wasting ridiculous amounts of RAM for per thread Zope caches.
(It would still be less than 4 per second instead of 1000 per second
even if the external delay was only 3 seconds - the critical thing
is whether a non-blocking client can be integrated with Zope, taking
into account the multi-threading as well as async Reactor design
of Zope).

Any comments?

2) Medusa has an async non-blocking "pure python" xmlrpc handler
using asyncore - based on "xmlrpcserver.py" by Fredrik Lundh
(www.pythonware.com).

http://www.nightmare.com/medusa/

medusa-20010416.tgz//xmlrpc_handler.py

As far as I can make out this seems to be for the server side
only, although there are also both an rpc_server.py *and* an
rpc_client.py (not using xmlrpc), so I imagine it would
be easy enough to implement a client and a proxy relay
for Medusa as well.

The examples in the tutorial include an http client and an
http proxy relay with both server and client:

http://www.nightmare.com/medusa/programming.html

I imagine it is quite straight forward for anyone who knows
what they are doing to somehow tie the faster py-xmlrpc C
version into the Medusa main event loop even though it has
it's own set of sockets to select from. Unfortunately I
don't know how to do this. It might be generally useful to
contribute the necessary wrapper and/or installation
instructions to Medusa as well as add them to py-xmlrpc itself
to use it for both server and client channels with Medusa, to
encourage faster takeup, and as starting point for stuff below
without having to get into Zope internals.

That would also provide a base reference point for speed tests
of what Zope should be capable of, using py-xmlrpc for client
as well as server side of plain Medusa with such proxied calls - to
compare with tests doing nothing special on Zope for the Zope client
side (with various numbers of 1 or more Zope threads and various
delays at the remote server).

Any chance of this? When? ;-)

3) As far as I can see Zope comes with the following from
the top of the src tree:

lib/python/xmlrpclib.py

lib/python/ZPublisher/xmlrpc.py

But nothing in Zserver despite that containing and being
based on Medusa. So it is extending the Medusa implementation
of xmlrpclib rather than just layering above it.

Is anyone planning to provide a replacement based on
py-xmlrpc? If so, when - and will it include a non-blocking
client side as described above?

I've tried to track down some documentation on how
XML-RPC fits into Zope. Here's the list I came up
with in case it helps or prompts somebody to point
out docs or threads with other info.

The start of some documentation on how Zope publishes
with xml-rpc server is:

http://www.zope.org/Members/teyc/howtoXMLRPC2

Others include:

http://www.zope.org/Members/Amos/XML-RPC

http://www.zope.org/Members/teyc/pipermailXMLRPCWoes

http://www.zope.org/Members/teyc/howxmlrpc

There is also an XMLRPCProxy:

http://www.zope.org/Members/dshaw/XMLRPCProxy

And quite a few other references from the search
button on www.zope.org for both "xmlrpc" and xml-rpc".

Anyway, thanks again for 1000 calls per second!



From tim@freepm.org  Fri May 18 14:29:13 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:29:13 -0500
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3.0.5.32.20010518113750.007ae820@mail.vet.uu.nl> <3B04EFDC.1DC337@nipltd.com> <20010518141643.C1240@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B0523A9.FB99E94D@iswt.com>

seb bacon wrote:

> DC's commitment to the community is great.  I feel like I know most of
> the developers, how they code, what they're responsible for, because
> they regularly contribute to the list.  That's why I think the manner
> of getting the latest mail leaves a sour taste in the mouth.  We know
> there's a new CEO, we don't know much about him, he's never introduced
> himself on the list (has he?), and the first thing we get from him is
> this spamlike email.  It doesn't do much to allay any of the
> semiconscious but probably unfounded worries I have about the future
> of this brilliant software and community (did somebody say
> arsdigita?).  It just seems badly thought out, non-consensual, that
> sort of thing.
> 
> Brian Methvin, welcome to Zopeland - how do you do? :)

This is a good approach. The DC developers will certainly tell
him how important the relationship is and how to treat it.   We
should treat Mr. Methvin like a newbie that sends HTML mail to
the list.  Just tell him nicely that, that is not how things are
done, give him a couple of URL's
(http://www.opensource.org/advocacy/case_for_business.html) has
some great references.

Maybe a post to the mailing list would have been good? I think in
that case they would have missed a lot of people taht signed up
at Zope.org and then didn't participate for one reason or
another.  THEY are the people (from a marketing perspective) that
they want to reach.  They already have us. <vbg>

My $.02,

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From drees@the-bridge.net  Fri May 18 14:38:30 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:38:30 -0500
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
In-Reply-To: <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOEEJPDHAA.drees@the-bridge.net>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Chris
> Withers
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 2:50 AM
> To: Zope Survey
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
> 
> 
> Did anyone else get the following message?
>

<Immature cussing deleted> 

> I would encourage anyone who got this to report it on spamcop.net.


Lighten up Francis.



From m.mariani@imola.nettuno.it  Fri May 18 14:14:16 2001
From: m.mariani@imola.nettuno.it (Marco Mariani)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:14:16 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Calling SQL from my product
Message-ID: <20010518151416.A4428@zoidberg>

I have a product and I want to have SQL methods there.

I let the administrator select the SQL connection upon installation, then...?

How am I supposed to have and call SQL methods?

Something like foo = SQLFile(...) would do :-)


Thanks.



From shane@digicool.com  Fri May 18 14:53:25 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:53:25 -0400
Subject: A reply to myself (Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey))
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com> <a0500190ab72ac437a74e@[192.168.24.203]> <3B051EA3.C31620C4@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B052955.FCC93608@digicool.com>

Chris Withers wrote:
> Anyway, the crux of the matter is this. I really like DC and I really think
> they're doing a great job with Zope. That email didn't fit with the impression I
> have got from DC over the past couple of years which suprised me. A lot. So
> much, in fact, that I wrote that mail this morning. I apologise for the tone and
> wording, and I hope the unsolicited mail was a one off.

We've all let a slightly nasty email slip before, I think.  The hard
thing is to apologize publicly, so you're showing strong character to
say this.

Now, I agree the community hasn't had much introduction to Brian.  Brian
has specifically welcomed everyone at DC to send him an email or two to
get to know him, and I'm sure he would extend the same invitation to the
community.  In fact, with the survey he was trying to solicit feedback. 
Please send him an e-mail, introducing yourself and asking your
questions.

Shane


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 18 15:13:04 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:13:04 +0100
Subject: A reply to myself (Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey))
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com> <a0500190ab72ac437a74e@[192.168.24.203]> <3B051EA3.C31620C4@nipltd.com> <3B052955.FCC93608@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B052DF0.CC308585@nipltd.com>

Shane Hathaway wrote:
> 
> We've all let a slightly nasty email slip before, I think.  The hard
> thing is to apologize publicly, so you're showing strong character to
> say this.

I'm getting used to doing it... is that a good or a bad thing? *grinz*

> Now, I agree the community hasn't had much introduction to Brian.  Brian
> has specifically welcomed everyone at DC to send him an email or two to
> get to know him, and I'm sure he would extend the same invitation to the
> community.  In fact, with the survey he was trying to solicit feedback.
> Please send him an e-mail, introducing yourself and asking your
> questions.

What's his address? I presume brian@digicool.com still goes where it used to ;-)

cheers,

Chris


From shane@digicool.com  Fri May 18 15:15:01 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:15:01 -0400
Subject: A reply to myself (Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey))
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com> <a0500190ab72ac437a74e@[192.168.24.203]> <3B051EA3.C31620C4@nipltd.com> <3B052955.FCC93608@digicool.com> <3B052DF0.CC308585@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B052E65.DED6C825@digicool.com>

Chris Withers wrote:
> What's his address? I presume brian@digicool.com still goes where it used to ;-)

It's brian.methvin@digicool.com .  Have a good day!

Shane


From bobby@dialognet.com  Fri May 18 15:30:21 2001
From: bobby@dialognet.com (Bobby Mathew)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:00:21 +0530
Subject: [Zope] Zope sequence-item problem
References: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOEEJPDHAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c0dfa7$11ef45c0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>

Hi
I am trying this code. basically i just want to assign the current value of
sequence-item variable into another variable. But i keep getting an error
message of some sort - either the syntax is wrong or the name error etc,,,,

<dtml-in emailid>
   <dtml-var sequence-item>
   <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar', sequence-item)">
</dtml-in>

Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.

Error Type: NameError
Error Value: sequence


I dont understand why its looking for sequence when i have clearly put
sequence-item ???

can anyone help please ?

thanks

bobby



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 18 15:19:41 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:19:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
References: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOEEJPDHAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <3B052F7D.21FAD304@nipltd.com>

Steve Drees wrote:
> 
> Lighten up Francis.

Huh?


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 18 15:26:04 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:26:04 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope sequence-item problem
References: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOEEJPDHAA.drees@the-bridge.net> <004d01c0dfa7$11ef45c0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <3B0530FC.89D0D1B9@nipltd.com>

Bobby Mathew wrote:
> 
>    <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar', sequence-item)">

You want:
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar', _['sequence-item'])">

cheers,

Chris


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Fri May 18 15:29:36 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:29:36 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope sequence-item problem
References: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOEEJPDHAA.drees@the-bridge.net> <004d01c0dfa7$11ef45c0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <019701c0dfa6$f9837100$5c773fc1@media1>

<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar', _['sequence-item'])">

Think carefully on why it doesn't work, try writing the same thing in pure
Python code.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Mathew" <bobby@dialognet.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 3:30 PM
Subject: [Zope] Zope sequence-item problem


> Hi
> I am trying this code. basically i just want to assign the current value
of
> sequence-item variable into another variable. But i keep getting an error
> message of some sort - either the syntax is wrong or the name error
etc,,,,
>
> <dtml-in emailid>
>    <dtml-var sequence-item>
>    <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar', sequence-item)">
> </dtml-in>
>
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
>
> Error Type: NameError
> Error Value: sequence
>
>
> I dont understand why its looking for sequence when i have clearly put
> sequence-item ???
>
> can anyone help please ?
>
> thanks
>
> bobby
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From renfro@tntech.edu  Fri May 18 15:28:50 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:28:50 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zope sequence-item problem
In-Reply-To: <004d01c0dfa7$11ef45c0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>; from bobby@dialognet.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:00:21PM +0530
References: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOEEJPDHAA.drees@the-bridge.net> <004d01c0dfa7$11ef45c0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <20010518092850.A18161@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:00:21PM +0530, Bobby Mathew wrote:

> <dtml-in emailid>
>    <dtml-var sequence-item>
>    <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar', sequence-item)">
> </dtml-in>
> 
> I dont understand why its looking for sequence when i have clearly put
> sequence-item ???

Write this on a sticky note and attach it to your monitor -- 'whenever
I use double-quotes, I'm in Python mode; curse DC for ever using
hypens in their variable names' (slight joke). Python is evaluating
sequence-item as sequence minus item.

Try either:

<dtml-in emailid>
  <dtml-let item=sequence-item>
    <dtml-var item>
    <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar',item)">
  </dtml-let>
</dtml-in>

or

<dtml-in emailid>
  <dtml-var sequence-item>
  <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar',_['sequence-item'])">
</dtml-call>

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From maxm@normik.dk  Fri May 18 15:28:43 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:28:43 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope sequence-item problem
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D0C@exchange>

> From: Bobby Mathew [mailto:bobby@dialognet.com]

> <dtml-in emailid>
>    <dtml-var sequence-item>
>    <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar', sequence-item)">
> </dtml-in>

Close but no cigar :-)

 <dtml-in emailid>
    <dtml-var sequence-item>
    <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar', _['sequence-item'])">
 </dtml-in>

regards Max M


From m.mariani@imola.nettuno.it  Fri May 18 14:51:30 2001
From: m.mariani@imola.nettuno.it (Marco Mariani)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:51:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope sequence-item problem
In-Reply-To: <004d01c0dfa7$11ef45c0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>; from bobby@dialognet.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:00:21PM +0530
References: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOEEJPDHAA.drees@the-bridge.net> <004d01c0dfa7$11ef45c0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <20010518155129.A4932@zoidberg>

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:00:21PM +0530, Bobby Mathew wrote:

> <dtml-in emailid>
>    <dtml-var sequence-item>
>    <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar', sequence-item)">
> </dtml-in>

It's a FAQ - everything inside "" is a python expression, where
sequence-item means sequence *minus* item

So you have to lookup the namespace dictionary:

......'myvar', _['sequence-item']">



From drees@the-bridge.net  Fri May 18 15:34:09 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:34:09 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zope sequence-item problem
In-Reply-To: <004d01c0dfa7$11ef45c0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOIEKCDHAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

Everything inside " quotes in a dtml-call is python code.
sequence-item is python for sequence minus item.

<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar',_['sequence-item'])"> is what you want.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Bobby
> Mathew
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:30 AM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Zope sequence-item problem
> 
> 
> Hi
> I am trying this code. basically i just want to assign the 
> current value of
> sequence-item variable into another variable. But i keep getting an error
> message of some sort - either the syntax is wrong or the name 
> error etc,,,,
> 
> <dtml-in emailid>
>    <dtml-var sequence-item>
>    <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('myvar', sequence-item)">
> </dtml-in>
> 
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> 
> Error Type: NameError
> Error Value: sequence
> 
> 
> I dont understand why its looking for sequence when i have clearly put
> sequence-item ???
> 
> can anyone help please ?
> 
> thanks
> 
> bobby
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rhess@bic.ch  Fri May 18 15:36:22 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:36:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: Zope Survey
References: <auto-000001945251@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B053366.5C3EC8D1@bic.ch>

Dear Mr Brian Methvin


Nice, to hear about you. Not so nice, to hear about you this way, when
you present yourself the first time.

The idea of the survey is a good one. However the tone and way of your
message shows clearly, that you have no idea about the nature of the
relationship between the people in a open source community and the
organization (or company) which drives the developement of that Open
Source product. And, I guess, that you are maybe not interested in it.

Either you like to continue the way you are used to doing business, then
maybe you should better change Zope back to closed source (at least the
part Digital Creation is working on) and drop community support, because
- as you said - it is soo expensive and time intensive to support this
Open Source community (they don't give back and help DC anyway, aren't
they ? and, DC could earn a lot more without this drag, couldn't they
?).

Or you try to make yourself familiar with the world of Open Source
first: different business modells, a worldwide developer community,
quality before simple short-timed cash-cow-thinking and so on. Just read
the mailing lists for some time, maybe ?

It is impressing and irritating, that such a monster organization like
IBM shows more knowledge, flexibility and tact than the freshman CEO of
a small company which is profoundly based in the Open Source Community
for years now already (and which owes a lot of its popularity and maybe
also success to that). What a pity.


Regards

Reinhard Hess


From paul@digicool.com  Fri May 18 15:38:44 2001
From: paul@digicool.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:38:44 -0400
Subject: A reply to myself (Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey))
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com> <a0500190ab72ac437a74e@[192.168.24.203]> <3B051EA3.C31620C4@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B0533F4.F90C3089@digicool.com>

Uhh, oops. :^)

We deeply apologize to anyone in the Zope community that took even the
slightest bit of offense at our recent email and/or survey.  It was
never our intent to "spam" the community.  Our deepest regret for any
confusion or inconvenience this may have caused.

Or, stated, a different way...oops!  :^)

--Paul

Chris Withers wrote:
> 
> Ever really wanted an 'unsend' or 'reword' button on your email client?
> Now _there's_ a feature I would pay for...
> 
> Anyway, just to clear things up in a slightly less emotive way:
> 
> 1. I _would_ like to know where DC got those email addresses from, and why they
> chose to email that group of people. (the first part of which I think I'm
> entitled to under the UK's Data Protection Act)
> 
> 2. I was surprised that DC chose to send a bulk unsolicited email like that. I
> would be surprised if such an email would entice people who have looked at Zope
> and then abandoned it to come back and explain why.
> 
> 3. The tone of the email (and the survey to some extent) was different to things
> that have come through/from DC in the past. I used the word 'commercial' before
> when I think I meant 'corporate'. DC has always had the feeling (and yes I know
> that's a bad word) of a closely knit, supportive, friendly and helpful community
> which we can all happilly interact with. The mail had the tone of the bumpf that
> lands through the post from the likes of Lotus, Oracle, all the vars, etc, every
> morning and goes straight in the bin ;-)
> 
> 4. I did fill in the survey. I hope DC find the answers useful :-)
> 
> Anyway, the crux of the matter is this. I really like DC and I really think
> they're doing a great job with Zope. That email didn't fit with the impression I
> have got from DC over the past couple of years which suprised me. A lot. So
> much, in fact, that I wrote that mail this morning. I apologise for the tone and
> wording, and I hope the unsolicited mail was a one off.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Chris


From paul@digicool.com  Fri May 18 15:39:17 2001
From: paul@digicool.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:39:17 -0400
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
In-Reply-To: <20010518144345.A2726@ppetru.net>
Message-ID: <web-1948179@digicool.com>

On Fri, 18 May 2001 14:43:45 +0300
 ppetru@ppetru.net (Petru Paler) wrote:

> I must have been missed for too much, but when did the DC
> CEO change?
> Where's Paul?

Can't you see me, I'm right here! :^)

The good news is that I haven't gone anywhere.  With this 
change I'm actually closer than I was before.  Of course 
some might not view that as a good thing. :^)

--Paul


From harald.koschinski@friatec.de  Fri May 18 15:54:08 2001
From: harald.koschinski@friatec.de (Harald Koschinski)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:54:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] GoLive, WebDAV and ZPT
References: <20010517.23574462@dksy-win98.bconnected.net>
Message-ID: <3B053790.3EB46517@friatec.de>

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David Kennedy wrote:

> I would like to connect to ZPT with GoLive using WebDAV
>
> Is there any documentation on Zope's WebDAV server ?
> Does WebDAV need to be configured after Zope is installed ?

you must start the webdav server using -W PORT in the start script.

entering:
# python z2.py --help

will give you a list of all possible options

>
> Does WebDAV listen on a certain port ?
> What settings need to be entered into GoLive for Zope's WebDAV server?
>   GoLive's WebDAV Browser displays the message "can't connect to server"
>
> Any help would be appreciated
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
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regards

Harald Koschinski
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From m.mariani@imola.nettuno.it  Fri May 18 15:21:42 2001
From: m.mariani@imola.nettuno.it (Marco Mariani)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:21:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Calling SQL from my product
In-Reply-To: <20010518151416.A4428@zoidberg>; from m.mariani@imola.nettuno.it on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 03:14:16PM +0200
References: <20010518151416.A4428@zoidberg>
Message-ID: <20010518162142.A5371@zoidberg>

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 03:14:16PM +0200, Marco Mariani wrote:

> I let the administrator select the SQL connection upon installation, then...?
> 
> How am I supposed to have and call SQL methods?
> 
> Something like foo = SQLFile(...) would do :-)

Ok, I've seen how SQLSession does it. I still can't think of where it
is documented, though. Shouldn't it be on the Developer's Guide?



From amer@ruth.upc.es  Fri May 18 16:05:18 2001
From: amer@ruth.upc.es (Rafael Amer Ramon)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:05:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Access to Zope by FTP
Message-ID: <3B053A2E.A7FDF317@ruth.upc.es>

Hi.

I'm using Zope with the Apache server and mod_pcgi2.
It is possible to access Zope with protocols FTP or WebDAV with apache
or it is necessary to run the ZServer?

Thanks.

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From brian@digicool.com  Fri May 18 16:19:10 2001
From: brian@digicool.com (Brian Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:19:10 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
In-Reply-To: <20010516122103.A5882@amaze.nl>
Message-ID: <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIMEILCBAA.brian@digicool.com>

> As someone pointed out on #zope, it is possible to view folder contents
> using a webdav client as an anonymous user.
> 
> <snip>
>
> After applying you'll get a new permission in your security tab, which 
> is set to manager by default. To get the old behaviour back, just set the
> permission back to anonymous.
> 
> Apply it using patch -p1 ../webdav.patch in your SOFTWARE_HOME (i.e. the 
> Zope-2.3.2-src dir).

I'd like to add this for Zope 2.4, but slightly modified, and 
I wanted to run this by the community for buy-in.

I propose that there be a "WebDAV Access" permission (to be 
consistent w/the existing "FTP Access" permission) that protects 
PROPFIND. Instead of defaulting to "Manager" only (as proposed by
Ivo), I propose that it default to "Manager, Anonymous" so that
current behavior is preserved. In other words, I think it is 
better that sites continue to work exactly as before after the 
change (but that the manager can then go turn off anonymous 
DAV access), rather than have sites suddenly "stop working with
WebDAV" until the manager goes and gives anonymous that 
permission.

Thoughts?



> 
> -- cut here --
> *** Zope-2.3.2-orig/lib/python/webdav/Resource.py       Tue Mar 
> 27 21:50:37 2001
> --- Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/webdav/Resource.py        Mon May 
> 14 19:16:46 2001
> ***************
> *** 109,115 ****
>   
>       __ac_permissions__=(
>           ('View',                             ('HEAD',)),
> !         ('Access contents information',      ('PROPFIND',)),
>           ('Manage properties',                ('PROPPATCH',)),
>           ('Delete objects',                   ('DELETE',)),
>       )
> --- 109,115 ----
>   
>       __ac_permissions__=(
>           ('View',                             ('HEAD',)),
> !         ('Access contents information through WebDav',      
> ('PROPFIND',)),
>           ('Manage properties',                ('PROPPATCH',)),
>           ('Delete objects',                   ('DELETE',)),
>       )
> -- cut here --
> 

Brian Lloyd        brian@digicool.com
Software Engineer  540.371.6909              
Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com 




From andym@ActiveState.com  Fri May 18 16:24:42 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:24:42 -0700
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c0dfae$dc8a0430$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Ah dammit this is what I get for living on the West Coast of Canada and
missing this whole thread. Now its dead and there's nothing to say.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 18 16:23:35 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:23:35 +0100
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com> <007e01c0dfae$dc8a0430$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <3B053E77.D7BED14D@nipltd.com>

Andy McKay wrote:
> 
> Ah dammit this is what I get for living on the West Coast of Canada and
> missing this whole thread. Now its dead and there's nothing to say.

You could always sue ;-)

*grinz*

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 18 16:30:46 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:30:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
References: <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIMEILCBAA.brian@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B054026.EB46CC56@nipltd.com>

Brian Lloyd wrote:
> 
> I propose that there be a "WebDAV Access" permission (to be
> consistent w/the existing "FTP Access" permission) that protects
> PROPFIND. Instead of defaulting to "Manager" only (as proposed by
> Ivo), I propose that it default to "Manager, Anonymous" so that
> current behavior is preserved. In other words, I think it is
> better that sites continue to work exactly as before after the
> change (but that the manager can then go turn off anonymous
> DAV access), rather than have sites suddenly "stop working with
> WebDAV" until the manager goes and gives anonymous that
> permission.

Wow, if you could just stretch to adding an "HTTP Access" permission, you would
haev completely covered:

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ProtocolAccessibility

cool :-)

Chris


From alet@unice.fr  Fri May 18 16:36:11 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:36:11 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIMEILCBAA.brian@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010518173051.24955E-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Brian Lloyd wrote:

> Ivo), I propose that it default to "Manager, Anonymous" so that
> current behavior is preserved. In other words, I think it is 
> better that sites continue to work exactly as before after the 
> change (but that the manager can then go turn off anonymous 
> DAV access), rather than have sites suddenly "stop working with
> WebDAV" until the manager goes and gives anonymous that 
> permission.
> 
> Thoughts?

Here's mine, for a future version of Zope:

	What would be nice is an installation/launching option
for Zope's security to be set to maximum security by default, i.e.
anonymous wouldn't even have the View permission by default, and the admin
would have to manually set the anonymous permissions.

kind of like the ALL: PARANOID in /etc/hosts.deny and and no hosts.allow
file.

	What would be even better is that such a thing doesn't appear in
Zope before I understand completely how the permission system really work
;-)


bye,

Jerome Alet



From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Fri May 18 16:55:40 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:55:40 -0700
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
In-Reply-To: <007e01c0dfae$dc8a0430$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>; from andym@ActiveState.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:24:42AM -0700
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com> <007e01c0dfae$dc8a0430$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <20010518085540.K539@blanchardsite.com>

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:24:42AM -0700, Andy McKay wrote:
> Ah dammit this is what I get for living on the West Coast of Canada and
> missing this whole thread. Now its dead and there's nothing to say.
> 
heh. know what you mean, i'm here in the los angeles area and as
such missed the 'heat' as well...

however, i'm a little miffed. i've registered at zope.org,
started a rather rapidly active zope users group in southern
california and been giving zope demos and presentations to drum
up interest in the users group. and i haven't been invited to
participate in the survey _at all_ !

oh well...

cheers,
-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 18 17:10:55 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:10:55 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Lighten up ;^P... was: Pickled Meat Product
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B321@desi2>

Look, I see a huge difference between a "get rich quick selling laxatives"
message floating into my inbox opposed to a vendor that is targeting me
based upon my perceived business and technical interest.  I have no problem
with a vendor occasionally sending me info as long as they aren't telling me
"if you don't buy our product, you will be better off working from your
basement selling laxatives."  Come on people - choose your battles here!  

I make business and technical decisions regarding who my employer chooses to
do business with - and believe it or not, I don't mind being informed in
that regard, even if that means, for example, that I get a message every
week from a Sybase rep of the week peddling stuff I am frankly not
interested in (actually, I prefer that to getting three national forests
worth of junk mail and postcards from them).  Hit delete if you don't want
it - I promise that you won't end up a freelance laxative salesperson if you
read the message...

Sean

=========================
Sean Upton
Senior Programmer/Analyst
SignOnSanDiego.com
The San Diego Union-Tribune
619.718.5241
sean.upton@uniontrib.com
=========================


From mj@digicool.com  Fri May 18 17:09:05 2001
From: mj@digicool.com (Martijn Pieters)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:09:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
In-Reply-To: <20010518085540.K539@blanchardsite.com>; from charlie@blanchardsite.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:55:40AM -0700
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com> <007e01c0dfae$dc8a0430$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <20010518085540.K539@blanchardsite.com>
Message-ID: <20010518180905.A11230@zopatista.com>

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:55:40AM -0700, Charlie Blanchard wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:24:42AM -0700, Andy McKay wrote:
> > Ah dammit this is what I get for living on the West Coast of Canada and
> > missing this whole thread. Now its dead and there's nothing to say.
> > 
> heh. know what you mean, i'm here in the los angeles area and as
> such missed the 'heat' as well...
> 
> however, i'm a little miffed. i've registered at zope.org,
> started a rather rapidly active zope users group in southern
> california and been giving zope demos and presentations to drum
> up interest in the users group. and i haven't been invited to
> participate in the survey _at all_ !

Well then, you are hereby invited :) Use Tony McDonald's link, for
example:

  http://www.digicool.com/IZS/ZS925095/survey

-- 
Martijn Pieters
| Software Engineer  mailto:mj@digicool.com
| Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com/
| Creators of Zope   http://www.zope.org/
---------------------------------------------


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 18 17:11:55 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:11:55 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Lighten up ;^P... was: Pickled Meat Product
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B321@desi2>
Message-ID: <3B0549CB.2A58DA58@nipltd.com>

sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> 
> worth of junk mail and postcards from them).  Hit delete if you don't want
> it - I promise that you won't end up a freelance laxative salesperson if you
> read the message...

Don't slag off my _other_ profession like that ;-)

Chris


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 18 17:18:15 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:18:15 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B322@desi2>

Are WebDAV requests HTTP GET requests? Or are they PUT?

I ask because there might be a way to filter public access with a
reverse-proxy to certain URLs (with, for example, a Squid redirector).
Whether or not this kind of thing would work for certain types of WebDAV
traffic, such as viewing folder contents, depends on the anatomy of a WebDAV
request...

Thoughts?

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerome Alet [mailto:alet@unice.fr]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 8:36 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access


On Fri, 18 May 2001, Brian Lloyd wrote:

> Ivo), I propose that it default to "Manager, Anonymous" so that
> current behavior is preserved. In other words, I think it is 
> better that sites continue to work exactly as before after the 
> change (but that the manager can then go turn off anonymous 
> DAV access), rather than have sites suddenly "stop working with
> WebDAV" until the manager goes and gives anonymous that 
> permission.
> 
> Thoughts?

Here's mine, for a future version of Zope:

	What would be nice is an installation/launching option
for Zope's security to be set to maximum security by default, i.e.
anonymous wouldn't even have the View permission by default, and the admin
would have to manually set the anonymous permissions.

kind of like the ALL: PARANOID in /etc/hosts.deny and and no hosts.allow
file.

	What would be even better is that such a thing doesn't appear in
Zope before I understand completely how the permission system really work
;-)


bye,

Jerome Alet


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From marc@bowery.com  Fri May 18 17:32:15 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:32:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B322@desi2>
Message-ID: <B72AC6CE.2D47E%marc@bowery.com>


> From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com
> 
> I ask because there might be a way to filter public access with a
> reverse-proxy to certain URLs (with, for example, a Squid redirector).
> Whether or not this kind of thing would work for certain types of WebDAV
> traffic, such as viewing folder contents, depends on the anatomy of a WebDAV
> request...

You could easily limit the port to be accessed only by certain IP addresses
(ranges, other criterea) with xinetd (if you're on Linux)



From jl.berliet@wanadoo.fr  Fri May 18 17:54:26 2001
From: jl.berliet@wanadoo.fr (JL BERLIET)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:54:26 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
Message-ID: <000a01c0dfbb$33772aa0$0201a8c0@wanadoo.fr>

C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.

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> The search has to bring related
> results to the keyword, not only results that has it. A
> basic feature to do that is to ignore accentuation

A patch for "Splitter.c" i'm using with french words to ignore accentuation
! (see the function "sans_accent" and add yours portuguese caracters)
Jean-Louis BERLIET

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#include "Python.h"=0A=
#include <ctype.h>=0A=
=0A=
#define ASSIGN(V,E) {PyObject *__e; __e=3D(E); Py_XDECREF(V); (V)=3D__e;}=0A=
#define UNLESS(E) if(!(E))=0A=
#define UNLESS_ASSIGN(V,E) ASSIGN(V,E) UNLESS(V)=0A=
=0A=
static PyObject *next_word();=0A=
=0A=
typedef struct =0A=
{=0A=
    PyObject_HEAD=0A=
    PyObject *text, *synstop;=0A=
    char *here, *end;=0A=
    int index;=0A=
} Splitter;=0A=
 =0A=
static void=0A=
Splitter_reset(Splitter *self)=0A=
{=0A=
    self->here =3D PyString_AsString(self->text);=0A=
    self->index =3D -1;=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
static void=0A=
Splitter_dealloc(Splitter *self) =0A=
{=0A=
    Py_XDECREF(self->text);=0A=
    Py_XDECREF(self->synstop);=0A=
    PyMem_DEL(self);=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
static int=0A=
Splitter_length(Splitter *self)=0A=
{=0A=
    PyObject *res=3D0;=0A=
=0A=
    Splitter_reset(self);=0A=
    while(1)=0A=
      {=0A=
	UNLESS_ASSIGN(res,next_word(self,NULL,NULL)) return -1;=0A=
	UNLESS(PyString_Check(res))=0A=
	  {=0A=
	    Py_DECREF(res);=0A=
	    break;=0A=
	  }=0A=
      }=0A=
    return self->index+1;=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
static PyObject *=0A=
Splitter_concat(Splitter *self, PyObject *other)=0A=
{=0A=
    PyErr_SetString(PyExc_TypeError, "Cannot concatenate Splitters.");=0A=
    return NULL;=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
static PyObject *=0A=
Splitter_repeat(Splitter *self, long n)=0A=
{=0A=
    PyErr_SetString(PyExc_TypeError, "Cannot repeat Splitters.");=0A=
    return NULL;=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
/*=0A=
  Map an input word to an output word by applying standard=0A=
  filtering/mapping words, including synonyms/stop words.=0A=
=0A=
  Input is a word.=0A=
  =0A=
  Output is:=0A=
=0A=
     None -- The word is a stop word=0A=
=0A=
     sometext -- A replacement for the word=0A=
 */=0A=
static PyObject *=0A=
check_synstop(Splitter *self, PyObject *word)=0A=
{=0A=
    PyObject *value;=0A=
    char *cword;=0A=
    int len;=0A=
    =0A=
    cword =3D PyString_AsString(word);=0A=
    len =3D PyString_Size(word);=0A=
    if(len < 2)	/* Single-letter words are stop words! */=0A=
    {=0A=
      Py_INCREF(Py_None);=0A=
      return Py_None;=0A=
    }=0A=
=0A=
    /*************************************************************=0A=
      Test whether a word has any letters.                       *=0A=
                                                                 */    =0A=
    for (; --len >=3D 0 && ! isalpha((unsigned char)cword[len]); );=0A=
    if (len < 0)=0A=
    {=0A=
        Py_INCREF(Py_None);=0A=
        return Py_None;=0A=
    }=0A=
    /*=0A=
     * If no letters, treat it as a stop word.=0A=
     *************************************************************/=0A=
=0A=
    Py_INCREF(word);=0A=
=0A=
    if (self->synstop =3D=3D NULL) return word;=0A=
=0A=
    while ((value =3D PyObject_GetItem(self->synstop, word)) &&=0A=
	   PyString_Check(value))=0A=
    {=0A=
        ASSIGN(word,value);=0A=
	if(len++ > 100) break;	/* Avoid infinite recurssion */=0A=
    }=0A=
=0A=
    if (value =3D=3D NULL)=0A=
    {=0A=
        PyErr_Clear();=0A=
        return word;=0A=
    }=0A=
=0A=
    return value;		/* Which must be None! */=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
static char =0A=
sans_accent(char c) =0A=
{ =0A=
  switch (c) { =0A=
    case '=E0': return 'a'; =0A=
    case '=C0': return 'a'; =0A=
    case '=E2': return 'a'; =0A=
    case '=C2': return 'a'; =0A=
    case '=E4': return 'a'; =0A=
    case '=C4': return 'a'; =0A=
    case '=E9': return 'e'; =0A=
    case '=C9': return 'e';=0A=
    case '=E8': return 'e';=0A=
    case '=C8': return 'e';=0A=
    case '=EA': return 'e';=0A=
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    case '=EB': return 'e';=0A=
    case '=CB': return 'e';=0A=
    case '=E7': return 'c';=0A=
    case '=C7': return 'c';=0A=
    case '=F4': return 'o';=0A=
    case '=D4': return 'o';=0A=
    case '=F6': return 'o';=0A=
    case '=D6': return 'o';=0A=
    case '=EE': return 'i';=0A=
    case '=CE': return 'i';=0A=
    case '=EF': return 'i';=0A=
    case '=CF': return 'i';=0A=
    case '=FB': return 'u';=0A=
    case '=DB': return 'u';=0A=
    case '=F9': return 'u';=0A=
    case '=D9': return 'u';=0A=
    case '=FC': return 'u';=0A=
    case '=DC': return 'u';=0A=
    default: return c;=0A=
  }=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
 =0A=
#define MAX_WORD 64		/* Words longer than MAX_WORD are stemmed */=0A=
=0A=
static PyObject *=0A=
next_word(Splitter *self, char **startpos, char **endpos)=0A=
{=0A=
  char wbuf[MAX_WORD];=0A=
  char *end, *here, *b;=0A=
  int i =3D 0, c;=0A=
  PyObject *pyword, *res;=0A=
=0A=
  here=3Dself->here;=0A=
  end=3Dself->end;=0A=
  b=3Dwbuf;=0A=
  while (here < end)=0A=
    {=0A=
      /* skip hyphens */ =0A=
      if ((i > 0) && (*here =3D=3D '-'))=0A=
        {=0A=
	  here++;=0A=
	  while (isspace((unsigned char) *here) && (here < end)) here++;=0A=
	  continue;=0A=
	}=0A=
=0A=
      c=3Dtolower((unsigned char) sans_accent(*here));=0A=
      =0A=
      /* Check to see if this character is part of a word */=0A=
      if(isalnum((unsigned char)c) || c=3D=3D'/' || c=3D=3D'_')=0A=
        { /* Found a word character */=0A=
	  if(startpos && i=3D=3D0) *startpos=3Dhere;=0A=
	  if(i++ < MAX_WORD) *b++ =3D c;=0A=
        }=0A=
      else if (i !=3D 0)=0A=
        { /* We've found the end of a word */=0A=
	  if(i >=3D MAX_WORD) i=3DMAX_WORD; /* "stem" the long word */=0A=
=0A=
	  UNLESS(pyword =3D PyString_FromStringAndSize(wbuf, i))=0A=
            {=0A=
	      self->here=3Dhere;=0A=
	      return NULL;=0A=
	    }=0A=
	  =0A=
	  UNLESS(res =3D check_synstop(self, pyword))=0A=
            {=0A=
	      self->here=3Dhere;=0A=
	      Py_DECREF(pyword);=0A=
	      return NULL;=0A=
	    }=0A=
	  =0A=
	  if (res !=3D Py_None)=0A=
            {=0A=
	      if(endpos) *endpos=3Dhere;=0A=
	      self->here=3Dhere;=0A=
	      Py_DECREF(pyword);=0A=
	      self->index++;=0A=
	      return res;=0A=
	    }=0A=
=0A=
	  /* The word is a stopword, so ignore it */ =0A=
=0A=
	  Py_DECREF(res);          =0A=
	  Py_DECREF(pyword);=0A=
	  i =3D 0;=0A=
	  b=3Dwbuf;=0A=
        }=0A=
      =0A=
      here++;=0A=
    }=0A=
=0A=
  self->here=3Dhere;=0A=
=0A=
  /* We've reached the end of the string */=0A=
=0A=
  if(i >=3D MAX_WORD) i=3DMAX_WORD; /* "stem" the long word */=0A=
  if (i =3D=3D 0)=0A=
    { =0A=
      /* No words */=0A=
      self->here=3Dhere;=0A=
      Py_INCREF(Py_None);=0A=
      return Py_None;=0A=
    }=0A=
  =0A=
  UNLESS(pyword =3D PyString_FromStringAndSize(wbuf, i)) return NULL;=0A=
  =0A=
  if(endpos) *endpos=3Dhere;=0A=
  res =3D check_synstop(self, pyword);=0A=
  Py_DECREF(pyword);=0A=
  if(PyString_Check(res)) self->index++;=0A=
  return res;=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
static PyObject *=0A=
Splitter_item(Splitter *self, int i)=0A=
{=0A=
    PyObject *word =3D NULL;=0A=
=0A=
    if (i <=3D self->index) Splitter_reset(self);=0A=
=0A=
    while(self->index < i)=0A=
    {=0A=
        Py_XDECREF(word);=0A=
=0A=
        UNLESS(word =3D next_word(self,NULL,NULL)) return NULL; =0A=
        if (word =3D=3D Py_None)=0A=
        {=0A=
            Py_DECREF(word);=0A=
            PyErr_SetString(PyExc_IndexError,=0A=
			    "Splitter index out of range");=0A=
            return NULL;=0A=
        }=0A=
    }=0A=
=0A=
    return word;=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
static PyObject *=0A=
Splitter_slice(Splitter *self, int i, int j)=0A=
{=0A=
    PyErr_SetString(PyExc_TypeError, "Cannot slice Splitters.");=0A=
    return NULL;=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
static PySequenceMethods Splitter_as_sequence =3D {=0A=
    (inquiry)Splitter_length,        /*sq_length*/=0A=
    (binaryfunc)Splitter_concat,     /*sq_concat*/=0A=
    (intargfunc)Splitter_repeat,     /*sq_repeat*/=0A=
    (intargfunc)Splitter_item,       /*sq_item*/=0A=
    (intintargfunc)Splitter_slice,   /*sq_slice*/=0A=
    (intobjargproc)0,                    /*sq_ass_item*/=0A=
    (intintobjargproc)0,                 /*sq_ass_slice*/=0A=
};=0A=
=0A=
static PyObject *=0A=
Splitter_pos(Splitter *self, PyObject *args)=0A=
{=0A=
    char *start, *end, *ctext;=0A=
    PyObject *res;=0A=
    int i;=0A=
=0A=
    UNLESS(PyArg_Parse(args, "i", &i)) return NULL;=0A=
=0A=
    if (i <=3D self->index) Splitter_reset(self);=0A=
=0A=
    while(self->index < i)=0A=
    {=0A=
	UNLESS(res=3Dnext_word(self, &start, &end)) return NULL;=0A=
	if(PyString_Check(res))=0A=
	  {=0A=
            self->index++;=0A=
	    Py_DECREF(res);=0A=
	    continue;=0A=
	  }=0A=
	Py_DECREF(res);=0A=
	PyErr_SetString(PyExc_IndexError, "Splitter index out of range");=0A=
	return NULL;=0A=
    }=0A=
=0A=
    ctext=3DPyString_AsString(self->text);=0A=
    return Py_BuildValue("(ii)", start - ctext, end - ctext);=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
static PyObject *=0A=
Splitter_indexes(Splitter *self, PyObject *args)=0A=
{=0A=
  PyObject *word, *r, *w=3D0, *index=3D0;=0A=
  int i=3D0;=0A=
=0A=
  UNLESS(PyArg_ParseTuple(args,"O",&word)) return NULL;=0A=
  UNLESS(r=3DPyList_New(0)) return NULL;=0A=
  UNLESS(word=3Dcheck_synstop(self, word)) goto err;=0A=
=0A=
  Splitter_reset(self);=0A=
  while(1)=0A=
    {=0A=
      UNLESS_ASSIGN(w,next_word(self, NULL, NULL)) goto err;=0A=
      UNLESS(PyString_Check(w)) break;=0A=
      if(PyObject_Compare(word,w)=3D=3D0)=0A=
	{=0A=
	  UNLESS_ASSIGN(index,PyInt_FromLong(i)) goto err;=0A=
	  if(PyList_Append(r,index) < 0) goto err;=0A=
	}=0A=
      i++;=0A=
    }=0A=
  Py_XDECREF(w);=0A=
  Py_XDECREF(index);=0A=
  return r;=0A=
=0A=
err:=0A=
  Py_DECREF(r);=0A=
  Py_XDECREF(index);=0A=
  return NULL;=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
static struct PyMethodDef Splitter_methods[] =3D {=0A=
    { "pos", (PyCFunction)Splitter_pos, 0,=0A=
      "pos(index) -- Return the starting and ending position of a token" =
},=0A=
    { "indexes", (PyCFunction)Splitter_indexes, METH_VARARGS,=0A=
      "indexes(word) -- Return al list of the indexes of word in the =
sequence",=0A=
    },=0A=
    { NULL, NULL }		/* sentinel */=0A=
};=0A=
=0A=
static PyObject *=0A=
Splitter_getattr(Splitter *self, char *name) =0A=
{=0A=
    return Py_FindMethod(Splitter_methods, (PyObject *)self, name);=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
static char SplitterType__doc__[] =3D "";=0A=
=0A=
static PyTypeObject SplitterType =3D {=0A=
    PyObject_HEAD_INIT(NULL)=0A=
    0,                                 /*ob_size*/=0A=
    "Splitter",                    /*tp_name*/=0A=
    sizeof(Splitter),              /*tp_basicsize*/=0A=
    0,                                 /*tp_itemsize*/=0A=
    /* methods */=0A=
    (destructor)Splitter_dealloc,  /*tp_dealloc*/=0A=
    (printfunc)0,                      /*tp_print*/=0A=
    (getattrfunc)Splitter_getattr, /*tp_getattr*/=0A=
    (setattrfunc)0,                    /*tp_setattr*/=0A=
    (cmpfunc)0,                        /*tp_compare*/=0A=
    (reprfunc)0,                       /*tp_repr*/=0A=
    0,                                 /*tp_as_number*/=0A=
    &Splitter_as_sequence,         /*tp_as_sequence*/=0A=
    0,                                 /*tp_as_mapping*/=0A=
    (hashfunc)0,                       /*tp_hash*/=0A=
    (ternaryfunc)0,                    /*tp_call*/=0A=
    (reprfunc)0,                       /*tp_str*/=0A=
=0A=
    /* Space for future expansion */=0A=
    0L,0L,0L,0L,=0A=
    SplitterType__doc__ /* Documentation string */=0A=
};=0A=
=0A=
static PyObject *=0A=
get_Splitter(PyObject *modinfo, PyObject *args)=0A=
{=0A=
    Splitter *self;=0A=
    PyObject *doc, *synstop =3D NULL;=0A=
=0A=
    UNLESS(PyArg_ParseTuple(args,"O|O",&doc,&synstop)) return NULL;=0A=
=0A=
    UNLESS(self =3D PyObject_NEW(Splitter, &SplitterType)) return NULL;=0A=
=0A=
    if(synstop)=0A=
      {=0A=
	self->synstop=3Dsynstop;=0A=
	Py_INCREF(synstop);=0A=
      }=0A=
    else self->synstop=3DNULL;=0A=
=0A=
    UNLESS(self->text =3D PyObject_Str(doc)) goto err;=0A=
    UNLESS(self->here=3DPyString_AsString(self->text)) goto err;=0A=
    self->end =3D self->here + PyString_Size(self->text);=0A=
    self->index =3D -1;=0A=
    return (PyObject*)self;=0A=
err:=0A=
    Py_DECREF(self);=0A=
    return NULL;=0A=
}=0A=
=0A=
static struct PyMethodDef Splitter_module_methods[] =3D {=0A=
    { "Splitter", (PyCFunction)get_Splitter, METH_VARARGS,=0A=
      "Splitter(doc[,synstop]) -- Return a word splitter" },=0A=
    { NULL, NULL }=0A=
};=0A=
=0A=
static char Splitter_module_documentation[] =3D =0A=
"Parse source strings into sequences of words\n"=0A=
"\n"=0A=
"for use in an inverted index\n"=0A=
"\n"=0A=
"$Id: Splitter.c,v 1.14.28.2 2001/03/21 16:37:53 jim Exp $\n"=0A=
;=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
void=0A=
initSplitter() =0A=
{=0A=
  PyObject *m, *d;=0A=
  char *rev=3D"$Revision: 1.14.28.2 $";=0A=
  =0A=
  /* Create the module and add the functions */=0A=
  m =3D Py_InitModule4("Splitter", Splitter_module_methods,=0A=
                     Splitter_module_documentation,=0A=
                     (PyObject*)NULL,PYTHON_API_VERSION);=0A=
  =0A=
  /* Add some symbolic constants to the module */=0A=
  d =3D PyModule_GetDict(m);=0A=
  PyDict_SetItemString(d, "__version__",=0A=
		       PyString_FromStringAndSize(rev+11,strlen(rev+11)-2));=0A=
=0A=
  if (PyErr_Occurred()) Py_FatalError("can't initialize module =
Splitter");=0A=
}=0A=

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0DFCB.F5F36CA0--



From tim@freepm.org  Fri May 18 17:39:39 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:39:39 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zope on Big Iron
References: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CCC@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>
Message-ID: <3B05504B.16EC182F@iswt.com>

"Farrell, Troy" wrote:
> 
> Cool.  Is that really 1.0b1?  I couldn't help but notice the problems with
> the Scheduling link :(

It REALLY is. Pop over to the FreePM list and let me know what
trouble you had with the Scheduling link.
(other than it's the weakest part of the app and a poor example
of scheduling at all, since I was waiting for SOMEONE to write a
real Zope scheduler that I could pop-in. <vbg>)

> I am watching FreePM with much interest.  I know some doctors who may be
> replacing an SCO/Proprietary app, and I think FreePM may be just the ticket.
> I haven't yet the time to delve into the internals, but hopefully soon :)

Jump in and let us know what you need.
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freepm-discuss

Thanks,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 18 17:45:33 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:45:33 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B323@desi2>

The problem there is that WebDAV is a basic HTTP request over the standard
HTTP port; it would be all or nothing; a layer 7 filtering solution would be
needed.  A squid proxy with a redirector or a "layer 7 traffic shaper" like
an intel netstructure 7175 would likely be able to filter content if the
WebDAV request was an HTTP GET with a distinct URL...

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: marc lindahl [mailto:marc@bowery.com]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:32 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access




> From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com
> 
> I ask because there might be a way to filter public access with a
> reverse-proxy to certain URLs (with, for example, a Squid redirector).
> Whether or not this kind of thing would work for certain types of WebDAV
> traffic, such as viewing folder contents, depends on the anatomy of a
WebDAV
> request...

You could easily limit the port to be accessed only by certain IP addresses
(ranges, other criterea) with xinetd (if you're on Linux)


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From monkiki5@yahoo.com  Fri May 18 18:14:10 2001
From: monkiki5@yahoo.com (Paco Avila (Monkiki))
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:14:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] objectValues() not working
Message-ID: <01051819134804.01356@antares>

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Hi zope people. I have a question: Why this code do not work:

<dtml-in expr="objectValues()">
<p><dtml-var title_or_id></p>
</dtml-in>

And this code woks fine?

<dtml-in expr="test.objectValues()">
<p><dtml-var title_or_id></p>
</dtml-in>

("test" is the folder name).

Thanks in advance.

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From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May 18 18:26:19 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:26:19 -0400
Subject: [Zope] objectValues() not working
References: <01051819134804.01356@antares>
Message-ID: <031d01c0dfbf$a6e05080$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Hi Paco... are you using this within a DTML Document?  If so, try a DTML
Method.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paco Avila (Monkiki)" <monkiki5@yahoo.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:14 PM
Subject: [Zope] objectValues() not working


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi zope people. I have a question: Why this code do not work:
>
> <dtml-in expr="objectValues()">
> <p><dtml-var title_or_id></p>
> </dtml-in>
>
> And this code woks fine?
>
> <dtml-in expr="test.objectValues()">
> <p><dtml-var title_or_id></p>
> </dtml-in>
>
> ("test" is the folder name).
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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From w3m4@yahoo.com  Fri May 18 18:24:58 2001
From: w3m4@yahoo.com (w3m4@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:24:58 -0000
Subject: [Zope] Dynamic charts and thread safety in Zope
Message-ID: <9e3lta+desl@eGroups.com>

I would like to run a product like ZGDChart or even a package like 
ReportLab through Zope but am concerned about threading issues?  Is 
there a preferred way to use non-threadsafe products like these in a 
pure Zope, i.e. no CGI, environment?

Maybe there's a way to use an external method to fire up a new 
process, create the chart/PDF for the user, and then kill the process.

TIA,

Walter



From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Fri May 18 18:33:13 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:33:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Access to Zope by FTP
References: <3B053A2E.A7FDF317@ruth.upc.es>
Message-ID: <039601c0dfc0$a08ec580$0301a8c0@provence>

You must start the Zserver on FTP mode only.
Look at Z2.py for this option.
Change the zope "start" script accordingly.

--Gilles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rafael Amer Ramon" <amer@ruth.upc.es>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:05 PM
Subject: [Zope] Access to Zope by FTP



Hi.

I'm using Zope with the Apache server and mod_pcgi2.
It is possible to access Zope with protocols FTP or WebDAV with apache
or it is necessary to run the ZServer?

Thanks.

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From brian@digicool.com  Fri May 18 18:39:25 2001
From: brian@digicool.com (Brian Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:39:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B322@desi2>
Message-ID: <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIEEIMCBAA.brian@digicool.com>

> Are WebDAV requests HTTP GET requests? Or are they PUT?
> 
> I ask because there might be a way to filter public access with a
> reverse-proxy to certain URLs (with, for example, a Squid redirector).
> Whether or not this kind of thing would work for certain types of WebDAV
> traffic, such as viewing folder contents, depends on the anatomy 
> of a WebDAV
> request...

The idea of "restricting access by protocol" is still an 
open issue, and a relatively hard one to integrate with 
the intent of permissions in Zope (which are action-oriented
rather than protocol-oriented).

The proposed DAV change is something of a hack that happens 
to give most people what they want: the ability to keep 
people from using any old DAV client to inspect the 
structure of their site. By protecting "PROPFIND" ( a DAV
HTTP verb) with a specific permission, the effect is that 
clients will be effectively unable to list site contents 
if you don't want them to.

As far as GET / PUT, these are not distinguishable from a 
non-DAV GET / PUT (but those operations are protected by 
action-specific permissions anyway). 

So this is not a 100% solution, just one that happens to be 
a light-weight way to allow people to solve their immediate
problem (in basically the same way we solve it for FTP).


Brian Lloyd        brian@digicool.com
Software Engineer  540.371.6909              
Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com 




From e.seifert@gmx.net  Fri May 18 18:48:06 2001
From: e.seifert@gmx.net (E. Seifert)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:48:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: Zope version 2.3.2
Message-ID: <008101c0dfc2$cfd18c40$1b00000a@e700>

Hi Jean-Louis,

JL BERLIET wrote:
>> The search has to bring related
>> results to the keyword, not only results that has it. A
>> basic feature to do that is to ignore accentuation
>
>A patch for "Splitter.c" i'm using with french words to ignore accentuation
>! (see the function "sans_accent" and add yours portuguese caracters)
>Jean-Louis BERLIET

Your patch to Splitter.c contains a mapping for letters that are also used
as umlaut characters in German which isn't correct.
You would have to map the German "a to ae, "o to oe, "u to ue, and finally
the sz ligature to ss.

Greetings
Eric




From mindlace@digicool.com  Fri May 18 19:12:47 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:12:47 -0400
Subject: A reply to myself (Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey))
In-Reply-To: <3B051EA3.C31620C4@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <64500000.990209567@localhost.localdomain>

--On Friday, May 18, 2001 14:07:47 +0100 Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> 
wrote:
> 1. I _would_ like to know where DC got those email addresses from, and
> why they chose to email that group of people. (the first part of which I
> think I'm entitled to under the UK's Data Protection Act)

Hi, chris. As this part was pretty much me, I can answer it:  I used a 
script to loop through the publicly availiable archives and build a list of 
people who had sent mail to the zope lists.  There was (i think) some 
culling past that point, but I know that my script wasn't that bright, so 
we probably sent out some emails where I could have caught the redundancy.

As far as I know, the reasons we sent the email out as a batch as opposed 
to posting to the lists are:

 o unique key per survey-
   ballot-box stuffing issue.

 o greater statistical validity-
   the response rate and self selection is less biased.

 o catch users that have sense unsubbed-
   surely we need to ask these people how to improve zope :)

spam-spam-spam-spam-bacon-and-spam-ly yours,
--
ethan mindlace fremen
zopatista community liason


From renfro@tntech.edu  Fri May 18 19:23:53 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:23:53 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B323@desi2>; from sean.upton@uniontrib.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 09:45:33AM -0700
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B323@desi2>
Message-ID: <20010518132353.C21391@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 09:45:33AM -0700, sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> The problem there is that WebDAV is a basic HTTP request over the standard
> HTTP port; it would be all or nothing; a layer 7 filtering solution would be
> needed.  A squid proxy with a redirector or a "layer 7 traffic shaper" like
> an intel netstructure 7175 would likely be able to filter content if the
> WebDAV request was an HTTP GET with a distinct URL...

If it were me, I'd do the following quick-and-dirty hack:

(a) put Squid, Apache, or something similar on port 80

(b) keep Zope on port 9673 or elsewhere

(c) use ip filtering to restrict input on port 9673 to be only from
    localhost, and keep port 80 opened per your normal web policy

At least on my initial tests, pointing cadaver at my local port 80 did
not work, as Apache did not pass the request onto Zope. Pointing
cadaver at port 9673 worked as expected.

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From andres@corrada.com  Fri May 18 19:29:13 2001
From: andres@corrada.com (andres@corrada.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:29:13 -0400
Subject: [Zope] passing object from dtml to python script
In-Reply-To: <15107.64611.611931.30926@holycow.acusd.edu>; from Luby Liao on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 09:29:23AM -0700
References: <15104.26157.964850.878590@holycow.acusd.edu> <15107.64611.611931.30926@holycow.acusd.edu>
Message-ID: <20010518142912.A2532@corrada.com>

Hi Luby,

I think you are misunderstanding the purpose of HTML forms (forgive my
presumption!). When you use dtml-call you will get no results back from
the call, thus you are seeing ACTION="". ACTION should be followed by a valid
URL to the handler that will process the form.

I have not probed into your script too deeply but it seems that you can use
the firstname, lastname variables to pass to the handler script and then
use emailSearch again in the handler. That way you avoid passing x,
which you really cannot pass using the HTTP protocol anyhow.

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 09:29:23AM -0700, Luby Liao wrote:
> 
> I posted the following question on 5-14-2001.  I got a prompt response
> from Andres (Thank you, Andres).  I tried his suggestions (see below)
> with many variations without success.  With some variations, e.g.,
> 
>   ACTION="<dtml-call complete_or_not(x)>" (line 9)
> 
> there are no errors.  Yet view source shows 
> 
>   ACTION=""
> 
> and reading the log from var/Z2.log shows that the python script is
> never called when the form is submitted.
> 
> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.  cheers, Luby   
> 
> 1. My question
> 
>  Is it possible to pass objects in a dtml, such as a row of the result
>  set of a sql query, into a python script used as a form handler?
> 
>  As an example, on line 9, 'complete_or_not' is a python script with
>  one argument.  I would like to pass an object x (line 2) into the
>  script.  But the syntax of line 9 is incorrect.  I could effectively
>  pass x in using hidden fields.  But I hope I can avoid that.  Any help
>  is greatly appreciated.  cheers, Luby
> 
> 
>   1	 <dtml-if email>
>   2	  <dtml-let x=emailSearch>
>   3	    <dtml-if "_.len(x)==1">
>   4		<dtml-in x>
>   5		  If you are <dtml-var firstname> <dtml-var lastname>, please 
>   6	            proceed to complete the registration, by clicking the
>   7			'complete' button.  Otherwise, click the 'not me'
>   8			button.
>   9		   <FORM METHOD="POST" ACTION="complete_or_not(x)>" NAME="complete" onSubmit="return verifyInput()">
>  10		   <TABLE border="0" cellpadding="0"><TR><TD align="right">
>  11		   <INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="complete" VALUE="Complete"></TD><TD align="right">
>  12		   <INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="not_me" VALUE="Not Me"></TD></TR>
>  13		   </TABLE>
>  14		   </FORM>
>  15		 </dtml-in>
>  16	    </dtml-if>
>  17	   </dtml-let>
>  18	 </dtml-if>
> 
> 2. Andres's solution
> 
>  Yes its possible to pass objects to scripts you call in dtml.
> 
>  One way to fix your syntax error is to write:
> 
>  <form method="post" action="<dtml-var "complete_or_not(x)" url>" ... >
> 
>  But that will just create the url where your user will go once they click
>  their button.
> 
>  If you want to avoid passing hidden fields take a look at the 
>  CoreSessionTracking product.
> 
>  In general you can call a script with something like:
> 
>  <dtml-var "someScrip(mySpecialObject=x)">
> 
>  or
> 
>  <dtml-call "someScriptWhoseSideEffectsIDoNotWantToSee(mySpecialObject=x)">
> 
> --
> Luby Liao, Department of Math/CS, University of San Diego, San Diego, CA 92110
> (619)260-4021(O), (619)452-7644(H), (619)260-4293(fax)
> 
>    'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
>    All mimsy were the borogroves    And the mome raths outgrabe   -- L.C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                                   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
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From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 18 19:39:36 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:39:36 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B324@desi2>

Why is this; isn't WebDAV supposed to be proxy friendly?

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Renfro [mailto:renfro@tntech.edu]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 11:24 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access


On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 09:45:33AM -0700, sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> The problem there is that WebDAV is a basic HTTP request over the standard
> HTTP port; it would be all or nothing; a layer 7 filtering solution would
be
> needed.  A squid proxy with a redirector or a "layer 7 traffic shaper"
like
> an intel netstructure 7175 would likely be able to filter content if the
> WebDAV request was an HTTP GET with a distinct URL...

If it were me, I'd do the following quick-and-dirty hack:

(a) put Squid, Apache, or something similar on port 80

(b) keep Zope on port 9673 or elsewhere

(c) use ip filtering to restrict input on port 9673 to be only from
    localhost, and keep port 80 opened per your normal web policy

At least on my initial tests, pointing cadaver at my local port 80 did
not work, as Apache did not pass the request onto Zope. Pointing
cadaver at port 9673 worked as expected.

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu

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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Fri May 18 19:37:28 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:37:28 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: A reply to myself (Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey))
In-Reply-To: <64500000.990209567@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105182235100.18321-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Fri, 18 May 2001, ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
> As far as I know, the reasons we sent the email out as a batch as opposed
> to posting to the lists are:
>
>  o unique key per survey-
>    ballot-box stuffing issue.

   And now when I have 5 different keys - which one should I use? (Well,
actually I have no key at all now - I deleted all 5 spa^H^H^Hemails).

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 18 19:42:25 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:42:25 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: Zope version 2.3.2
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B325@desi2>

The problem there is that when someone tries to actually search for a word
sans an accent in this case, they wouldn't find a match.  Somehow both cases
would need to be indexed...

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: E. Seifert [mailto:e.seifert@gmx.net]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:48 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] Re: Zope version 2.3.2


Hi Jean-Louis,

JL BERLIET wrote:
>> The search has to bring related
>> results to the keyword, not only results that has it. A
>> basic feature to do that is to ignore accentuation
>
>A patch for "Splitter.c" i'm using with french words to ignore accentuation
>! (see the function "sans_accent" and add yours portuguese caracters)
>Jean-Louis BERLIET

Your patch to Splitter.c contains a mapping for letters that are also used
as umlaut characters in German which isn't correct.
You would have to map the German "a to ae, "o to oe, "u to ue, and finally
the sz ligature to ss.

Greetings
Eric



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From andym@ActiveState.com  Fri May 18 20:12:59 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:12:59 -0700
Subject: A reply to myself (Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey))
References: <64500000.990209567@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <007501c0dfce$8f829290$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

>  o unique key per survey-
>    ballot-box stuffing issue.

Well at the end of the survey it said and please forward this email to
anyone else... so I did, to quite a lot of people...

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.



From dmuller@angel.net  Fri May 18 20:29:37 2001
From: dmuller@angel.net (Daniel Muller)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:29:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope] python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'
In-Reply-To: <15107.65158.177429.30493@holycow.acusd.edu>
Message-ID: <B72AF060.543A%dmuller@angel.net>

Ok, I've run the zpasswd utility as instructed.  But I still can't login to
the management screen.

I installed Zope on a linux server using a an RPM. It seems to be working
fine (I can tool around the help pages etc,)

To keep things simple when I ran zpasswd I did not encrypt my password or
add domain restrictions.

The "access" file looks like this:
superuser:mypasswd

The permissions look like this:
-rw-r-----    1 root     zope           16 May 18 14:14 access

"access" is located:
/var/zope

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong here?

Thanks,  D.

 


> From: Luby Liao <liao@sandiego.edu>
> Reply-To: liao@acusd.edu
> Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:38:30 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Daniel Muller <dmuller@angel.net>
> Cc: <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope] python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'
> 
> 
> Daniel, 
> 
>> Next I logged onto my server trying to run zpasswd.py
>> 
>> I tried various ways to run this script including:
>> /usr/bin/python1.5 zpasswd.py /var/zope/access
>> 
>> Every time I get the following message:
>> python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'
>> 
>> [root@puccini bin]# ls -l zpasswd
>> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         9546 May  8 16:00 zpasswd
> 
> Here, you are looking for zpasswd, not zpasswd.py, which is in the
> root directory of the Zope distro.  cheers, Luby
> 
>> I've just completed an rpm install of zope on a linux box and I'm
>> not able to log into the management screen.
>> 
>> Zope is running.  I can see it fine at:
>> http://puccini.myhost.edu:8080
>> 
>> I next tried to log onto the management screen:
>> http://puccini.myhost.edu:8080/manage
>> and was prompted for a username and password
>> 
>> I entered
>> u: superuser
>> p:123
>> 
>> and receiver the "unauthorized user " message.
>> 
>> Next I logged onto my server trying to run zpasswd.py
>> 
>> I tried various ways to run this script including:
>> /usr/bin/python1.5 zpasswd.py /var/zope/access
>> 
>> Every time I get the following message:
>> python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'
>> 
>> [root@puccini bin]# ls -l zpasswd
>> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         9546 May  8 16:00 zpasswd
>> 
>> [root@puccini zope]# ls -l access
>> -rw-r-----    1 root     zope           65 May 17 10:16 access
>> 
>> I've searched this mailing list for answers but I'm still stumped.
>> 
>> Questions:
>> 1. Why can't run zpasswd.py
>> 
>> 2. Can I edit the access file manually?
>> (Here is what the access file looks like:
>> superuser:{SHA}QL0AFWMIX8NRZTKeof9cXsvbvu8=
>> :puccini.myhost.edu)
>> 
>> 
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From e.seifert@gmx.net  Fri May 18 20:35:40 2001
From: e.seifert@gmx.net (E. Seifert)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:35:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: Zope version 2.3.2
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B325@desi2>
Message-ID: <009f01c0dfd1$b8a47b40$1b00000a@e700>

Hi Sean,

Sean wrote:
> The problem there is that when someone tries to actually search for a word
> sans an accent in this case, they wouldn't find a match.  Somehow both
cases
> would need to be indexed...
>
> Sean

You're right. Both version would have to be indexed as German users probably
tend to replace an "a with ae, etc.
IMHO also the stop words will have to be changed depending on language. (I
already compiled a German stop word list if someone's interested.) But this
is another topic.

Eric

> -----Original Message-----
> From: E. Seifert [mailto:e.seifert@gmx.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:48 AM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Re: Zope version 2.3.2
>
>
> Hi Jean-Louis,
>
> JL BERLIET wrote:
> >> The search has to bring related
> >> results to the keyword, not only results that has it. A
> >> basic feature to do that is to ignore accentuation
> >
> >A patch for "Splitter.c" i'm using with french words to ignore
accentuation
> >! (see the function "sans_accent" and add yours portuguese caracters)
> >Jean-Louis BERLIET
>
> Your patch to Splitter.c contains a mapping for letters that are also used
> as umlaut characters in German which isn't correct.
> You would have to map the German "a to ae, "o to oe, "u to ue, and finally
> the sz ligature to ss.
>
> Greetings
> Eric




From marc@bowery.com  Fri May 18 20:39:37 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:39:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope] CMFTopic problem, passing args in DTML, or just brain damage?
Message-ID: <B72AF2B8.2D4DC%marc@bowery.com>

If I create a CMFTopic in the root called 'list', why does this work:

http://servername.com/list?Subject=something

...giving me whatever my criterion is, narrowed by matching
Subject='something'

...when calling the thing in DTML:

list(_.None,_,Subject='something')

doesn't seem to recognize the parameter?  (and, I've tried many variations,
wrapping with a dtml-with, passing 'list' instead of _ or _.None, passing a
dict {'Subject':'something'}, all the same result)

what am I missing?



From erik@pacific-shores.com  Fri May 18 20:41:46 2001
From: erik@pacific-shores.com (Erik Myllymaki)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:41:46 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Installing LoginManager 0.8.8.b1
Message-ID: <002f01c0dfd2$934ac150$0b01a8c0@erm>

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Gilles Lenfant wrote:
> % wget
http://www.zope.org/Members/tsarna/LoginManager/LoginManager-0-8-8b1.tgz
>
> I always got a "broken product" when restarting Zope...
> Any hint ?

Look at the traceback in the control panel under the loginmanager product. I
had a problem with it looking for the "access" file, so I gave it one from
another installation. Just drag it into the root of your zope install. I
think all you need as an empty file in zope_root called access though.

--
Erik Myllymaki
erik@pacific-shores.com



From afterz@zipmail.com  Fri May 18 21:43:30 2001
From: afterz@zipmail.com (After Dark)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:43:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
In-Reply-To: <000a01c0dfbb$33772aa0$0201a8c0@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <web-4463978@zipmail.com>

How should I do to use this patch?
Do I have to recompile Zope again?

Thanks.

On Fri, 18 May 2001 18:54:26 +0200
"JL BERLIET" <jl.berliet@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>> The search has to bring related
>> results to the keyword, not only results that has it. A
>> basic feature to do that is to ignore accentuation
>
>A patch for "Splitter.c" i'm using with french words to
>ignore accentuation
>! (see the function "sans_accent" and add yours portuguese
>caracters)
>Jean-Louis BERLIET

--
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          Costa
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From andym@ActiveState.com  Fri May 18 21:49:41 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:49:41 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Introduction to Zope talk, Vancouver, BC
Message-ID: <002301c0dfdc$11747d60$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

If you're in Vancouver on Wednesday I'll be giving a talk as part of the
ActiveState Lecture Series on Zope. General hey Zope's great, come and use
it talk :) Its free so stop on by.

http://www.activestate.com/Corporate/Communications/Releases/Press990122117.
html

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.





From lstafford@morphics.com  Fri May 18 22:08:10 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:08:10 -0700
Subject: [Zope] LocalFS Errno 5 on Zope 2.3.2
In-Reply-To: <020801c0dcc4$42e860c0$eb0217ac@jfarr>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICAEBIGHAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

I just upgraded my NT4 Zope installation from 2.2.4 to 2.3.2. Both before
and after the upgrade, I am using LocalFS v0.10.1. As part of the upgrade, I
copied the ../LocalFS directory from Zope224/lib/python/products/ to
Zope232/lib/python/products/. Then I copied my Data.fs file from Zope224/var
to Zope232/var.

I have several LocalFS instances, and all work well before and after the
upgrade.

However, now I want to create a new LocalFS instance. I can create the
instance, but the first time I view it thru either the management or user
interface I get:

Error type: OSError
Error value: [Errno 5] Input/output error

Traceback below

Just to make sure that the problem is not with NT permissions or networking,
I tried it both on:

1. an empty directory which is sibling of an existing LocalFS mounted
directory (same inherited permissions).

2. a second mount of an existing LocalFS mounted directory (identical
permissions).

So, I'm suspecting there is an incompatibility between LocalFS and Zope
2.3.2.

Can others confirm this problem or provide a counter example.

-- Loren



== traceback ==

Traceback (innermost last):
  File D:\Intranet\Zope232\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File D:\Intranet\Zope232\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 187, in
publish
  File D:\Intranet\Zope232\lib\python\Zope\__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: PAdup)
  File D:\Intranet\Zope232\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 171, in
publish
  File D:\Intranet\Zope232\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
    (Object: methodBrowse)
  File D:\Intranet\Zope232\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
    (Object: methodBrowse)
  File D:\Intranet\Zope232\lib\python\App\special_dtml.py, line 127, in
__call__
    (Object: methodBrowse)
  File D:\Intranet\Zope232\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_String.py, line
538, in __call__
    (Object: methodBrowse)
  File D:\Intranet\Zope224\lib\python\Products\ZDebug\DTMLDebug.py, line
307, in debug_render_blocks
  File D:\Intranet\Zope224\lib\python\Products\ZDebug\DTMLDebug.py, line
305, in debug_render_blocks
  File D:\Intranet\Zope232\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_With.py, line 146,
in render
    (Object: _.namespace(default_doc=defaultDocument()))
  File D:\Intranet\Zope224\lib\python\Products\ZDebug\DTMLDebug.py, line
292, in debug_render_blocks
  File D:\Intranet\Zope224\lib\python\Products\ZDebug\DTMLDebug.py, line
307, in debug_render_blocks
  File D:\Intranet\Zope224\lib\python\Products\ZDebug\DTMLDebug.py, line
239, in debugException
    (Object: renderwob)
  File D:\Intranet\Zope224\lib\python\Products\ZDebug\DTMLDebug.py, line
305, in debug_render_blocks
  File D:\Intranet\Zope232\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_In.py, line 653,
in renderwob
    (Object: fileValues(REQUEST.get('spec', _.None)))
  File D:\Intranet\Zope232\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Util.py, line 334,
in eval
    (Object: fileValues(REQUEST.get('spec', _.None)))
    (Info: REQUEST)
  File &lt;string&gt;, line 0, in ?
  File D:\Intranet\Zope224\lib\python\Products\LocalFS\LocalFS.py, line 832,
in fileValues
    (Object: PAdup)
  File D:\Intranet\Zope224\lib\python\Products\LocalFS\LocalFS.py, line
1227, in _ids
    (Object: PAdup)
  File D:\Intranet\Zope224\lib\python\Products\LocalFS\LocalFS.py, line 476,
in _ids
    (Object: PAdup)
OSError: (see above)

== end ==



From u.wisser@publisher.de  Fri May 18 22:05:46 2001
From: u.wisser@publisher.de (Ulrich Wisser)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:05:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope] return object from script
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010518230057.009f8030@post.netlink.se>

Hi,

my python script returns an array of dictionaries, like:

[{'num':1, 'letter':'a'},{'num':2, 'letter':'b'}]

in a dtml-document I try to print these values:

<dtml-in "script(param=param)">
   <dtml-var num><br><dtml-var letter>
</dtml-in>

This results in a key error. How do I have to return
the values to make the dtml-code work?

I know <dtml-var "_['sequence-item']['num']"> works, but
I want<dtml-var num> to work.

Thanks

Ulrich
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Searchengine Know How  - Webpromotion - Optimization - Internal Search
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From u.wisser@publisher.de  Fri May 18 22:10:16 2001
From: u.wisser@publisher.de (Ulrich Wisser)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:10:16 +0200
Subject: [Zope] update from 2.2.5 to 2.3.2
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010518230548.009fcec0@post.netlink.se>

Hi,

how can I transfer my data from the old installation?
I tried to copy the data.fs files, but that didn't work.
I couldn't find a how-to. So I really don't know what
to do.

Please help

Ulrich
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From cnd@ecn.purdue.edu  Fri May 18 22:09:01 2001
From: cnd@ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher N. Deckard)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:09:01 -0500
Subject: [Zope] why can zope not handle large files
Message-ID: <3B058F6D.BE18B83A@ecn.purdue.edu>

For a project we are working on we have export of an MS Access
database as csv (comma seperated) files.  The csv file is about 37MB
with rows of 18 numbers sepearted by commas.  The file has been
uploaded into Zope and then we are trying to insert each row into a
PostgreSQL database using either the PoPy or PsycoPG database
adapter.  Basically Zope never comes back from trying to do this. 
We have also tested against Oracle with the same results.  It's been
run on an Athlon 600 and a Sun E450.  Zope just starts to take up
more and more memory eventually filling up swap and never completing
the transaction.  If we split the 37MB file up into small 3-4MB
chunks, everything works fine.  But it just can't handle the larger
file.  To me, 37MB doesn't seem like much.  If it were .5GB, I could
understand Zope having problems.  How can I get this to work?

I am not on the zope list (though I'll probably subscribe here in a
moment) so please CC me on a reply.

Thanks,
-Chris


From marc@bowery.com  Fri May 18 22:22:09 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:22:09 -0400
Subject: [Zope] why can zope not handle large files
In-Reply-To: <3B058F6D.BE18B83A@ecn.purdue.edu>
Message-ID: <B72B0AC0.2D502%marc@bowery.com>

Check the archives - someone else was having this problem too.  Zope can
handle large files (I've been testing it out with huge image files), it was
something to do with large chunks of stuff to/from the SQL database.

> From: "Christopher N. Deckard" <cnd@ecn.purdue.edu>
> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:09:01 -0500
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] why can zope not handle large files
> 
> For a project we are working on we have export of an MS Access
> database as csv (comma seperated) files.  The csv file is about 37MB
> with rows of 18 numbers sepearted by commas.  The file has been
> uploaded into Zope and then we are trying to insert each row into a
> PostgreSQL database using either the PoPy or PsycoPG database
> adapter.  Basically Zope never comes back from trying to do this.
> We have also tested against Oracle with the same results.  It's been
> run on an Athlon 600 and a Sun E450.  Zope just starts to take up
> more and more memory eventually filling up swap and never completing
> the transaction.  If we split the 37MB file up into small 3-4MB
> chunks, everything works fine.  But it just can't handle the larger
> file.  To me, 37MB doesn't seem like much.  If it were .5GB, I could
> understand Zope having problems.  How can I get this to work?
> 
> I am not on the zope list (though I'll probably subscribe here in a
> moment) so please CC me on a reply.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Chris
> 
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From magnus/Websys@websys.no  Fri May 18 23:00:36 2001
From: magnus/Websys@websys.no (magnus/Websys@websys.no)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 00:00:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] return object from script
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010518230057.009f8030@post.netlink.se>
Message-ID: <H000006800013cf2.0990223191.sjef.websys.no@MHS>

Like this:

<dtml-in "script(param=param)" mapping>
 <dtml-var foo>
</dtml-in>

-Magnus



From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May 18 23:05:38 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:05:38 -0400
Subject: [Zope] update from 2.2.5 to 2.3.2
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010518230548.009fcec0@post.netlink.se>
Message-ID: <05c601c0dfe6$ac53f770$8e17a8c0@kurtz>

Have you tried
http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/HowTos/zopeinstall/ZOPE-INSTALL-HOWTO ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ulrich Wisser" <u.wisser@publisher.de>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:10 PM
Subject: [Zope] update from 2.2.5 to 2.3.2


> Hi,
>
> how can I transfer my data from the old installation?
> I tried to copy the data.fs files, but that didn't work.
> I couldn't find a how-to. So I really don't know what
> to do.
>
> Please help
>
> Ulrich
> --
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From lstafford@morphics.com  Fri May 18 23:10:08 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:10:08 -0700
Subject: [Zope] update from 2.2.5 to 2.3.2
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010518230548.009fcec0@post.netlink.se>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICEEBJGHAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

That should work, but you also have to copy any products you had intalled
and any external methods.

-- Loren, who just upgraded from 2.2.4 to 2.3.2



> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> Ulrich Wisser
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 14:10
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] update from 2.2.5 to 2.3.2
>
>
> Hi,
>
> how can I transfer my data from the old installation?
> I tried to copy the data.fs files, but that didn't work.
> I couldn't find a how-to. So I really don't know what
> to do.
>
> Please help
>
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From tseaver@digicool.com  Fri May 18 22:51:54 2001
From: tseaver@digicool.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:51:54 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFTopic problem, passing args in DTML, or just brain
 damage?
References: <B72AF2B8.2D4DC%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3B05997A.857EB205@novacoxmail.com>

marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> If I create a CMFTopic in the root called 'list', why does this work:
> 
> http://servername.com/list?Subject=something
> 
> ...giving me whatever my criterion is, narrowed by matching
> Subject='something'
> 
> ...when calling the thing in DTML:
> 
> list(_.None,_,Subject='something')
> 
> doesn't seem to recognize the parameter?  (and, I've tried many variations,
> wrapping with a dtml-with, passing 'list' instead of _ or _.None, passing a
> dict {'Subject':'something'}, all the same result)
> 
> what am I missing?

That signature is the signature of a DTML Method;  your 'list' object
is a Topic, which isn't directly callable.  Try:

  <dtml-in expr="list.queryCatalog( Subject='something' )">

Tres.
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From ebalasba@bway.net  Fri May 18 23:24:07 2001
From: ebalasba@bway.net (Eric Balasbas)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:24:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] why can zope not handle large files
In-Reply-To: <3B058F6D.BE18B83A@ecn.purdue.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.30.0105181817490.4138-100000@ida.bway.net>

Sounds like the problem is with inserting many rows into the database in
one transaction. Breaking up the inserts into many transactions should
help.
How exactly do you put the csv file into Zope?

Eric Balasbas
Senior Developer
eric@virtosi.com

http://www.virtosi.com/
Virtosi Ltd.
Design -- Branding -- Zope

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Christopher N. Deckard wrote:

> For a project we are working on we have export of an MS Access
> database as csv (comma seperated) files.  The csv file is about 37MB
> with rows of 18 numbers sepearted by commas.  The file has been
> uploaded into Zope and then we are trying to insert each row into a
> PostgreSQL database using either the PoPy or PsycoPG database
> adapter.  Basically Zope never comes back from trying to do this.
> We have also tested against Oracle with the same results.  It's been
> run on an Athlon 600 and a Sun E450.  Zope just starts to take up
> more and more memory eventually filling up swap and never completing
> the transaction.  If we split the 37MB file up into small 3-4MB
> chunks, everything works fine.  But it just can't handle the larger
> file.  To me, 37MB doesn't seem like much.  If it were .5GB, I could
> understand Zope having problems.  How can I get this to work?
>
> I am not on the zope list (though I'll probably subscribe here in a
> moment) so please CC me on a reply.
>
> Thanks,
> -Chris
>
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From marc@bowery.com  Fri May 18 23:50:17 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:50:17 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFTopic problem, passing args in DTML, or just
 brain  damage?
In-Reply-To: <3B05997A.857EB205@novacoxmail.com>
Message-ID: <B72B1F68.2D521%marc@bowery.com>

Still, I'm confused, then why would that url (...list?Subject='something')
work at all?  

By signature you mean list(_.None,_) ?




> That signature is the signature of a DTML Method;  your 'list' object
> is a Topic, which isn't directly callable.  Try:
> 
> <dtml-in expr="list.queryCatalog( Subject='something' )">
> 
> Tr



From tommy@7x.com  Sat May 19 00:12:08 2001
From: tommy@7x.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:12:08 -0800
Subject: [Zope] Setting a Cookie
Message-ID: <7e1f43cc.43cc7e1f@denalisites.com>

Hey all,

I'm trying to set a cookie. Simple right? hehe - if so, then I wouldn't 
be here.  ;-)

Ok, I have the syntax in front of me. I have this bit of code to set 
the cookie:

<dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('CookieMonster', '458468')">

All is well when I save the dtml document and when I run the page. The 
problem - the cookie isn't set!

Now I remember this problem when I worked with ASP. It turns out that 
you had to set an expire date also (although they said that if you 
didn't, the cookie expires when you close the browser and nothing gets 
written to the client machine.) That would be good - IF ONLY I COULD 
ACCESS THE INFORMATION I SET.

Sorry 'bout that. But it's fustrating to see this problem come up again 
with another language.

So I set an expire date. But, get this, now it fails when the page is 
loaded. The error message says that the method expected three 
parameters, but received four. Do you see four parameters here?

<dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('CookieMonster', '458468', 'Sunday 20-05-
2001 12:00:00 GMT')">

I initially had a comma between Wdy, Date - because that is the 
DOCUMENTED syntax, but this seems incorrect also.

Here's the error message:

Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: too many arguments; expected 3, got 4

Any suggestions? Proven code would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Tommy



From randy@spoke.net  Sat May 19 00:21:51 2001
From: randy@spoke.net (Randall F. Kern)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:21:51 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Setting a Cookie
Message-ID: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE042280@sammamish-dc.spoke.net>

Here's the code I use from python:

RESPONSE.setCookie('cookiename', 'cookie value', path=3D'/',
expires=3D'Sunday 20-05-001 12:00:00 GMT')

Or, with no expiration:
RESPONSE.setCookie('cookiename', 'cookie value', path=3D'/')

To do this from DTML would look like:
<dtml-call expr=3D"RESPONSE.setCookie('cookiename', 'cookie value',
path=3D'/', expires=3D'Sunday 20-05-001 12:00:00 GMT')">

Or:
<dtml-call expr=3D"RESPONSE.setCookie('cookiename', 'cookie value',
path=3D'/')">


This works fine in python 1.5.2, zope 2.3.1.
-Randy
FYI, the 4th parameter is self, an implicit parameter to a python
method.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tommy Johnson [mailto:tommy@7x.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 4:12 PM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Setting a Cookie
>=20
>=20
> Hey all,
>=20
> I'm trying to set a cookie. Simple right? hehe - if so, then=20
> I wouldn't=20
> be here.  ;-)
>=20
> Ok, I have the syntax in front of me. I have this bit of code to set=20
> the cookie:
>=20
> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('CookieMonster', '458468')">
>=20
> All is well when I save the dtml document and when I run the=20
> page. The=20
> problem - the cookie isn't set!
>=20
> Now I remember this problem when I worked with ASP. It turns out that=20
> you had to set an expire date also (although they said that if you=20
> didn't, the cookie expires when you close the browser and=20
> nothing gets=20
> written to the client machine.) That would be good - IF ONLY I COULD=20
> ACCESS THE INFORMATION I SET.
>=20
> Sorry 'bout that. But it's fustrating to see this problem=20
> come up again=20
> with another language.
>=20
> So I set an expire date. But, get this, now it fails when the page is=20
> loaded. The error message says that the method expected three=20
> parameters, but received four. Do you see four parameters here?
>=20
> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('CookieMonster', '458468',=20
> 'Sunday 20-05-
> 2001 12:00:00 GMT')">
>=20
> I initially had a comma between Wdy, Date - because that is the=20
> DOCUMENTED syntax, but this seems incorrect also.
>=20
> Here's the error message:
>=20
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: too many arguments; expected 3, got 4
>=20
> Any suggestions? Proven code would be appreciated.
>=20
> Thanks in advance,
> Tommy
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
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From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Sat May 19 00:24:12 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:24:12 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Setting a Cookie
In-Reply-To: <7e1f43cc.43cc7e1f@denalisites.com>
References: <7e1f43cc.43cc7e1f@denalisites.com>
Message-ID: <200105181624120210.020F36DE@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

The first parameter is "self", which is implicit during the
call (you could say it's explicit because it's a method
call). So if it looks like you're passing three arguments
to a method call, it's actually getting four.

Not a cookie expert, but I found an earlier message about
cookies this week with the example:
<dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('voted_in_poll', '1')"> 

FWIW

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 5/18/01 at 3:12 PM Tommy Johnson wrote:

>Hey all,
>
>I'm trying to set a cookie. Simple right? hehe - if so,
then I wouldn't 
>be here.  ;-)
>
>Ok, I have the syntax in front of me. I have this bit of
code to set 
>the cookie:
>
><dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('CookieMonster',
'458468')">
>
>All is well when I save the dtml document and when I run
the page. The 
>problem - the cookie isn't set!
>
>Now I remember this problem when I worked with ASP. It
turns out that 
>you had to set an expire date also (although they said
that if you 
>didn't, the cookie expires when you close the browser and
nothing gets 
>written to the client machine.) That would be good - IF
ONLY I COULD 
>ACCESS THE INFORMATION I SET.
>
>Sorry 'bout that. But it's fustrating to see this problem
come up again 
>with another language.
>
>So I set an expire date. But, get this, now it fails when
the page is 
>loaded. The error message says that the method expected
three 
>parameters, but received four. Do you see four parameters
here?
>
><dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('CookieMonster', '458468',
'Sunday 20-05-
>2001 12:00:00 GMT')">
>
>I initially had a comma between Wdy, Date - because that
is the 
>DOCUMENTED syntax, but this seems incorrect also.
>
>Here's the error message:
>
>Error Type: TypeError
>Error Value: too many arguments; expected 3, got 4
>
>Any suggestions? Proven code would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Tommy
>
>
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From tommy@7x.com  Sat May 19 00:31:22 2001
From: tommy@7x.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:31:22 -0800
Subject: [Zope] Setting a Cookie
In-Reply-To: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE042280@sammamish-dc.spoke.net>
Message-ID: <BKEPLFMFGHIJDGLKDKJHKEEGCAAA.tommy@7x.com>

Thanks guys. I think that I see the probem:

I need to use expires="date/time" where I was just using "date/time". I'll
try it out.

Thanks again,
Tommy



From pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt  Sat May 19 00:30:45 2001
From: pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt (Paula Mangas)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 00:30:45 +0100 (WEST)
Subject: [Zope] Setting a Cookie
In-Reply-To: <200105181624120210.020F36DE@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105190027150.2582-100000@students.si.fct.unl.pt>



Hi!




On Fri, 18 May 2001, Bruce Eckel wrote:

> The first parameter is "self", which is implicit during the
> call (you could say it's explicit because it's a method
> call). So if it looks like you're passing three arguments
> to a method call, it's actually getting four.
>
> Not a cookie expert, but I found an earlier message about
> cookies this week with the example:
> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('voted_in_poll', '1')">


Yes, you are setting a cookie with "voted_in_poll" name and value "1". The
fact is that you can have more parameters on cookie. For more details see
the HTTPResponse.py file (you can find it on ZPublisher directory).


Paula Mangas



>
> FWIW
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
>
> On 5/18/01 at 3:12 PM Tommy Johnson wrote:
>
> >Hey all,
> >
> >I'm trying to set a cookie. Simple right? hehe - if so,
> then I wouldn't
> >be here.  ;-)
> >
> >Ok, I have the syntax in front of me. I have this bit of
> code to set
> >the cookie:
> >
> ><dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('CookieMonster',
> '458468')">
> >
> >All is well when I save the dtml document and when I run
> the page. The
> >problem - the cookie isn't set!
> >
> >Now I remember this problem when I worked with ASP. It
> turns out that
> >you had to set an expire date also (although they said
> that if you
> >didn't, the cookie expires when you close the browser and
> nothing gets
> >written to the client machine.) That would be good - IF
> ONLY I COULD
> >ACCESS THE INFORMATION I SET.
> >
> >Sorry 'bout that. But it's fustrating to see this problem
> come up again
> >with another language.
> >
> >So I set an expire date. But, get this, now it fails when
> the page is
> >loaded. The error message says that the method expected
> three
> >parameters, but received four. Do you see four parameters
> here?
> >
> ><dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('CookieMonster', '458468',
> 'Sunday 20-05-
> >2001 12:00:00 GMT')">
> >
> >I initially had a comma between Wdy, Date - because that
> is the
> >DOCUMENTED syntax, but this seems incorrect also.
> >
> >Here's the error message:
> >
> >Error Type: TypeError
> >Error Value: too many arguments; expected 3, got 4
> >
> >Any suggestions? Proven code would be appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Tommy
> >
> >
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From liao@acusd.edu  Fri May 18 23:41:43 2001
From: liao@acusd.edu (Luby Liao)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:41:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'
In-Reply-To: <B72AF060.543A%dmuller@angel.net>
References: <15107.65158.177429.30493@holycow.acusd.edu>
 <B72AF060.543A%dmuller@angel.net>
Message-ID: <15109.42279.933277.374949@holycow.acusd.edu>

Daniel, I would advise that you install Zope from source.  In the
case of Zope, installing from source is NO more difficult than either
from rpm or binary kit -- it takes seconds.  I think this will solve
your problem.  If not, you only waste seconds.  cheers, Luby 


 > Ok, I've run the zpasswd utility as instructed.  But I still can't login to
 > the management screen.
 > 
 > I installed Zope on a linux server using a an RPM. It seems to be working
 > fine (I can tool around the help pages etc,)
 > 
 > To keep things simple when I ran zpasswd I did not encrypt my password or
 > add domain restrictions.
 > 
 > The "access" file looks like this:
 > superuser:mypasswd
 > 
 > The permissions look like this:
 > -rw-r-----    1 root     zope           16 May 18 14:14 access
 > 
 > "access" is located:
 > /var/zope
 > 
 > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong here?
 > 
 > Thanks,  D.
 > 
 >  
 > 
 > 
 > > From: Luby Liao <liao@sandiego.edu>
 > > Reply-To: liao@acusd.edu
 > > Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:38:30 -0700 (PDT)
 > > To: Daniel Muller <dmuller@angel.net>
 > > Cc: <zope@zope.org>
 > > Subject: [Zope] python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'
 > > 
 > > 
 > > Daniel, 
 > > 
 > >> Next I logged onto my server trying to run zpasswd.py
 > >> 
 > >> I tried various ways to run this script including:
 > >> /usr/bin/python1.5 zpasswd.py /var/zope/access
 > >> 
 > >> Every time I get the following message:
 > >> python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'
 > >> 
 > >> [root@puccini bin]# ls -l zpasswd
 > >> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         9546 May  8 16:00 zpasswd
 > > 
 > > Here, you are looking for zpasswd, not zpasswd.py, which is in the
 > > root directory of the Zope distro.  cheers, Luby
 > > 
 > >> I've just completed an rpm install of zope on a linux box and I'm
 > >> not able to log into the management screen.
 > >> 
 > >> Zope is running.  I can see it fine at:
 > >> http://puccini.myhost.edu:8080
 > >> 
 > >> I next tried to log onto the management screen:
 > >> http://puccini.myhost.edu:8080/manage
 > >> and was prompted for a username and password
 > >> 
 > >> I entered
 > >> u: superuser
 > >> p:123
 > >> 
 > >> and receiver the "unauthorized user " message.
 > >> 
 > >> Next I logged onto my server trying to run zpasswd.py
 > >> 
 > >> I tried various ways to run this script including:
 > >> /usr/bin/python1.5 zpasswd.py /var/zope/access
 > >> 
 > >> Every time I get the following message:
 > >> python: can't open file 'zpasswd.py'
 > >> 
 > >> [root@puccini bin]# ls -l zpasswd
 > >> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         9546 May  8 16:00 zpasswd
 > >> 
 > >> [root@puccini zope]# ls -l access
 > >> -rw-r-----    1 root     zope           65 May 17 10:16 access
 > >> 
 > >> I've searched this mailing list for answers but I'm still stumped.
 > >> 
 > >> Questions:
 > >> 1. Why can't run zpasswd.py
 > >> 
 > >> 2. Can I edit the access file manually?
 > >> (Here is what the access file looks like:
 > >> superuser:{SHA}QL0AFWMIX8NRZTKeof9cXsvbvu8=
 > >> :puccini.myhost.edu)
 > >> 
 > >> 
 > >> _______________________________________________
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 > >> 
 > > 
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 > > 
 > 


From tseaver@digicool.com  Sat May 19 01:36:52 2001
From: tseaver@digicool.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:36:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-CMF] CMFTopic problem, passing args in DTML, or just	brain
 damage?
In-Reply-To: <B72B1F68.2D521%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105182033270.10851-100000@trigger.palladion.com>

On Fri, 18 May 2001, marc lindahl wrote:

> Still, I'm confused, then why would that url
> (...list?Subject='something') work at all?  

Because you were visiting the topic's default view
('topic_view'), with the REQUEST populated with a form variable,
'Subject', set to 'something.  Because you reached 'list' via URL
traversal, ZPublisher is helping out by finding some appropriate
default method to call on it.  

> By signature you mean list(_.None,_) ?

Right -- signature is name of the function, plus arguments and
return type.  In this case, since 'list' is not callable, I'm
surprised you didn't get a TypeError.

Tres.
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From mindlace@digicool.com  Sat May 19 02:01:06 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:01:06 -0400
Subject: A reply to myself (Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey))
In-Reply-To: <007501c0dfce$8f829290$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <54360000.990234066@orlog>

--On 05/18/01 12:12:59 -0700 Andy McKay chiseled:

>>  o unique key per survey-
>>    ballot-box stuffing issue.
>
> Well at the end of the survey it said and please forward this email to
> anyone else... so I did, to quite a lot of people...

right.  so andym@activestate.com referred lots of folks, which is useful to 
know :)

what-was-the-deal-with-the-singing-vikings-ly yours,
--
-mindlace-
zopatista community liason


From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Sat May 19 02:04:52 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:04:52 -0700
Subject: [Zope] A little demo with the under variable
Message-ID: <200105181804520090.0036F4E6@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

Since you can say "_['foo']"

Shouldn't I be able to say:
<dtml-in expr="_">
  <dtml-var sequence-item>
</dtml-in>

Or 

<dtml-in expr="_.items()">
  <dtml-var sequence-item>
</dtml-in>

Or something like that?

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From WrestGalen@aol.com  Sat May 19 02:16:37 2001
From: WrestGalen@aol.com (WrestGalen@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:16:37 EDT
Subject: [Zope] "Object does not support this operation"
Message-ID: <97.158721c8.28372375@aol.com>

Hello everyone.  I have a web page with a member base.  When people wish to become "New" members, they mearly fill out the join form, and click ok.  This goes into a folder called member_lists/profiles/ and clones a dtml-document called blank_sheet, and then modifies the properties of this clone to match the new information inputted by the user.  However, when I submit the join (this had worked previously, but once we had updated the join form, it ceased working.  On our other test page as well, which is strange since we didn't update that.) it gives me a "Object blank_sheet does not support this operation" error. 

The join form submits its data to submit_join, which does all the work. Here is the code for submit_join. 

<!--#var standard_html_header-->


<dtml-with "PARENTS[-1].f_member_lists.profiles">
<dtml-with "manage_clone(blank_sheet,'new_' + REQUEST['character_name'],REQUEST)">

<dtml-call "manage_changeProperties(
  title=REQUEST['character_name'],
  age=REQUEST['age'],
  gender=REQUEST['gender'],
  politics=REQUEST['politics'],
  real_name=REQUEST['real_name'],
  character_name=REQUEST['character_name'],
  location=REQUEST['location'],
  race=REQUEST['race'],
  character_class=REQUEST['character_class'],
  specialization=REQUEST['specialization'],
  discipline_1=REQUEST['discipline_1'],
  discipline_2=REQUEST['discipline_2'],
  discipline_3=REQUEST['discipline_3'],
  char_description=REQUEST['char_description'],
  icq=REQUEST['icq'],
  aim=REQUEST['aim'],
  email=REQUEST['email'], 
  days_active=REQUEST['days_active'],
  hours_on=REQUEST['hours_on'],
  currently_play=REQUEST['currently_play'],
  game_genres=REQUEST['game_genres'],  
  used_play=REQUEST['used_play'],
  reasons=REQUEST['reasons'],
  where_hear=REQUEST['where_hear'],
  goals=REQUEST['goals'],  
  contribute=REQUEST['contribute'],
  leadership=REQUEST['leadership'],
  drink=REQUEST['drink'],
  aliens=REQUEST['aliens'],
  animals=REQUEST['animals'],
  website=REQUEST['website'],
)">

</dtml-with>
</dtml-with>

    <P>Thank you for filling out our application!</P>
    <p>A confirmation e-mail has been sent to you.</p>
    <P>To return to the main page, click <a href="http://thekindred.mamey.com/">here</A>.</P>

    <!--#var standard_html_footer-->

and here is code for the blank_sheet

<TABLE WIDTH="300" ALIGN="CENTER" VALIGN="TOP">
 <TR> 
  <TD COLSPAN=2> <B>Personal Information</B> </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Name: 
  <TD> <dtml-if real_name><dtml-var real_name></dtml-if real_name> </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Age: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if age><dtml-var age></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Gender: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-var gender></TD> 
 </TR>
 <TR> 
  <TD> Political Party: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-var politics> </TD> 
 </TR>  
 <TR> 
  <TD> Location: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if location><dtml-var location></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> ICQ#: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if icq><dtml-var icq></dtml-if> </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> AIM: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if aim><dtml-var aim></dtml-if> </TD>
 </TR>  
 <TR> 
  <TD> E-mail: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if email><dtml-var email></dtml-if> </TD> 
 </TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> Aliens: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if aliens><dtml-var aliens></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 

 <TR> 
  <TD COLSPAN=2><B>Character Information</B></TD> 
 </TR> 

<TR> 
  <TD> Characters Name: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if character_name><dtml-var character_name></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Race: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if race><dtml-var race></dtml-if> </TD> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Class: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if class><dtml-var character_class></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Specialization: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if specialization><dtml-var specialization></dtml-if>
  <TD> Diciplines: </TD>  
 </TR>
 <TR>
  <TD align="center" colspan="2"><dtml-if discipline_1><dtml-var discipline_1></dtml-if></TD>
 </TR>
 <TR>  
 <TD align="center" colspan="2"><dtml-if discipline_2><dtml-var discipline_2></dtml-if></TD>
 </TR>
 <TR>
 <TD align="center" colspan="2"><dtml-if discipline_3><dtml-var discipline_3></dtml-if></TD>
 </TR> 
<TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> Small Furry Animals: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if animals><dtml-var animals></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Character Description: </TD>  
  <TD><TEXTAREA COLS="20" ROWS="5"><dtml-if char_description><dtml-var char_description></dtml-if></TEXTAREA></TD>
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Days most active: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if days_active><dtml-var days_active></dtml-if> </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Hours spent online each day: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if hours_on><dtml-var hours_on></dtml-if> </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Game Genres enjoyed: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if game_genres><dtml-var game_genres></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 

 <TR> 
  <TD> Reasons for joining the <dtml-if guild_name><dtml-var guild_name></dtml-if></TD> 
  <TD> <TEXTAREA ROWS="5" ><dtml-if reasons><dtml-var reasons></dtml-if></TEXTAREA> </TD> 
 </TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> Where did you hear about us? </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if where_hear><dtml-var where_hear></dtml-if> </TD> 
</TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> What do you want to achieve playing shadowbane? </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if goals><dtml-var goals></dtml-if> </TD> 
</TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> What do you think you can contribute to the guild? </TD> 
  <TD> <TEXTAREA ROWS="5"><dtml-if contribute><dtml-var contribute></dtml-if></TEXTAREA></TD> 
</TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> Leadership Experience: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if leadership><dtml-var leadership></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> Coke or Pepsi?: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if drink><dtml-var drink></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> Favorite Website: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if website><dtml-var website></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
</TABLE> 

I have been goofing around with proxy on the pages, and I origionally thought that was the issue, but I made a copy of blank_sheet AND submit_join in which I didn&#8217;t touch the proxy, and those still had the same error.  

I also have a java script running for the fourm, which checks to make sure all the fields are filled in, but that is on join_form, not submit_join, so I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s it (don&#8217;t see why it would be either).

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 




From chrism@digicool.com  Sat May 19 04:51:48 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:51:48 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: A little demo with the under variable
References: <200105181804520090.0036F4E6@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <3B05EDD4.CCFEFCAD@digicool.com>

Bruce Eckel wrote:
> 
> Since you can say "_['foo']"
> 
> Shouldn't I be able to say:
> <dtml-in expr="_">
>   <dtml-var sequence-item>
> </dtml-in>
> 
> Or
> 
> <dtml-in expr="_.items()">
>   <dtml-var sequence-item>
> </dtml-in>
> 
> Or something like that?

You're right to think that something like this would work.  But there's
a *lot* of crap in the under mapping... and I don't think it has an
items method (it's not an actual dictionary).  It would be intuitive to
be able to do this (if for some reason it was necessary other than for
discovery), but it's not really a feasible exercise due to the
implementation underneath it.

(of course, every time I think of this thing actually being named "_", I
invariably have a good cry and then consult rule 12 of
http://mindprod.com/unmain.html hoping that the other rules cheer me up
... ;-)

- C


From antwan@dexus.nl  Sat May 19 10:21:11 2001
From: antwan@dexus.nl (Antwan Reijnen)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:21:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Problem with Automatic Cataloging Example in
 ZopeBook
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010519111643.00dd57e0@pop.xs4all.nl>

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Hi Chris, Chris and fellow Zopers,
I promised an update on the Automatic Cataloging example in the Zope book, 
but I was offline for a few days. Sorry for that. So here it is:
I had the same problem when I tried the example from the book (even the 
final version). Also, I used a non-standard name (say myCatalog) for the 
ZCatalogue, and in this way introduced another problem: The example in the 
book only works with the standard named Catalog: "Catalog". Finally, the 
book forgets to add the new properties to the default input form for the 
newly created newsitem.
So, take the following steps.
1. Modify the NewsItem_addForm dtml-method, by adding input fields for the 
content, author and date properties. You do want to be able to put some 
newsthings in the new NewsItem.
2. Modify the standard <dtml-with ...> tag in the NewsItem_add dtml-method:
<dtml-with "NewsItem.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST)">
<dtml-call "manage_editCataloger('myCatalog')">
<dtml-call "propertysheets.News.manage_editProperties(REQUEST)">
<dtml-call reindex_object>
</dtml-with>
**manage_editCataloger('myCatalog') tells the newsitem constructor which 
Catalog is to be used to index the newsitem. When you omit this line, the 
name of the catalog used, will default to "Catalog".
**propertysheets.News.manage_editProperties(REQUEST) writes the values from 
the manage_addForm newsitem properties, to the newly created newsitem;
**reindex_object tells the catalogue to re-index this newsitem. Why is this 
nessecary? Because when the newsitem is constructed, it is auto-added to 
the catalog, but at that stage, the properties do not contain the addForm 
data yet: take a look at the first few lines of the manage_afterAdd method 
in CatalogAwareness.py:
def manage_afterAdd(self, item, container):
self.index_object()
.... etcetera
This should do the trick. However, it seems unlogical to me that we should 
reindex a catalogaware class, on creation of a new item. Would'nt it make 
more sense, that the cataloging takes place, only after the properties take 
their initial values?
Greetings to all, Antwan.
At 11:28 AM 5/16/01 +0900, you wrote:
Hi fellow Zopers,

I've been running in some problems with Cataloging and went to the
ZopeBook to see whats wrong.
In trying to work through the examples in Chapter 9, Automatic
Cataloging, I found that with the latest and greatest Zope 2.3.2, the
Catalog fails to acquire and catalog the properties of my
NewsItem. Just to verify that I am not doing something very stupid
wrong, I went through the same exercise with an old Zope 2.2.1 I had
lying around. No problem there, the Catalog looks as expected.
Has anybody else run into this or a similar problem? Is it a bug in
the ZOpeBook in ZOpe or in my (unplugged) brain?

Any help appreciated,

Chris
--

Institute for Research in Humanities, Kyoto University
47 Higashiogura-cho, Kitashirakawa, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto 606-8265, JAPAN


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<table border=0>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>Hi Chris, Chris and fellow Zopers,</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>I promised an update on the Automatic Cataloging
example in the Zope book, but I was offline for a few days. Sorry for
that. So here it is:</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>I had the same problem when I tried the example from
the book (even the final version). Also, I used a non-standard name (say
myCatalog) for the ZCatalogue, and in this way introduced another
problem: The example in the book only works with the standard named
Catalog: &quot;Catalog&quot;. Finally, the book forgets to add the new
properties to the default input form for the newly created
newsitem.</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>So, take the following steps.</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>1. Modify the NewsItem_addForm dtml-method, by adding
input fields for the content, author and date properties. You do want to
be able to put some newsthings in the new NewsItem.</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>2. Modify the standard &lt;dtml-with ...&gt; tag in the
NewsItem_add dtml-method:</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>&lt;dtml-with
&quot;NewsItem.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'],
REQUEST)&quot;&gt;</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>&lt;dtml-call
&quot;manage_editCataloger('myCatalog')&quot;&gt; </td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>&lt;dtml-call
&quot;propertysheets.News.manage_editProperties(REQUEST)&quot;&gt;</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>&lt;dtml-call reindex_object&gt; </td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>&lt;/dtml-with&gt;</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>**manage_editCataloger('myCatalog') tells the newsitem
constructor which Catalog is to be used to index the newsitem. When you
omit this line, the name of the catalog used, will default to
&quot;Catalog&quot;.</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>**propertysheets.News.manage_editProperties(REQUEST)
writes the values from the manage_addForm newsitem properties, to the
newly created newsitem; </td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>**reindex_object tells the catalogue to re-index this
newsitem. Why is this nessecary? Because when the newsitem is
constructed, it is auto-added to the catalog, but at that stage, the
properties do not contain the addForm data yet: take a look at the first
few lines of the manage_afterAdd method in
CatalogAwareness.py:</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>def manage_afterAdd(self, item, container):</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>self.index_object()</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>.... etcetera</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>This should do the trick. However, it seems unlogical
to me that we should reindex a catalogaware class, on creation of a new
item. Would'nt it make more sense, that the cataloging takes place, only
after the properties take their initial values?</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
<tr><td width=624>Greetings to all, Antwan.</td></tr>
<tr><td width=624></td></tr>
</table>
At 11:28 AM 5/16/01 +0900, you wrote:<br>
Hi fellow Zopers,<br>
<br>
I've been running in some problems with Cataloging and went to the<br>
ZopeBook to see whats wrong. <br>
In trying to work through the examples in Chapter 9, Automatic<br>
Cataloging, I found that with the latest and greatest Zope 2.3.2,
the<br>
Catalog fails to acquire and catalog the properties of my<br>
NewsItem. Just to verify that I am not doing something very stupid<br>
wrong, I went through the same exercise with an old Zope 2.2.1 I 
had<br>
lying around. No problem there, the Catalog looks as expected. <br>
Has anybody else run into this or a similar problem? Is it a bug in<br>
the ZOpeBook in ZOpe or in my (unplugged) brain?<br>
<br>
Any help appreciated,<br>
<br>
Chris <br>
-- <br>
<br>
Institute for Research in Humanities, Kyoto University<br>
47 Higashiogura-cho, Kitashirakawa, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto 606-8265, JAPAN<br>
<br>
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From gro.mareers@sreeram.org  Sat May 19 11:48:28 2001
From: gro.mareers@sreeram.org (Sreeram Ramachandran)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:48:28 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Getting the requested object's properties (CMF/LoginManager)
Message-ID: <20010519184827.A5069@localhost.nus.edu.sg>

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Hi,

System: Zope 2.3.2b2, CMF 1.0, LoginManager 0.8.8b1, Zope/Python Newbie :)

I wish to customize the following code in standard_html_header (from the de=
fault CMF skins):

  <dtml-if "_.hasattr(this(),'isEffective') and not isEffective( ZopeTime()=
 )">
  <dtml-unless "portal_membership.checkPermission('Request review',this())
  or portal_membership.checkPermission('Review portal content',this())">
  <dtml-var "RESPONSE.unauthorized()">
  </dtml-unless>
  </dtml-if>

Instead of an HTTP-AUTH dialog (as it now stands), I would like to put out =
a LoginManager-style "forbiddenPage". The following will not work, because =
the "something follows here" (plus the standard_html_footer) section will s=
till get output:

standard_html_header:
  if ...: // same check as above
    <dtml-var forbiddenPage>
  else:
    ...   // normal stuff

some_page:
  <dtml-var standard_html_header>
  ... something follows here ...
  <dtml-var standard_html_footer>

So, what I need to do is to move the "isEffective" check into the LoginMana=
ger or somewhere else upstream in the authentication process. Hopefully, th=
e same place where LoginManager checks to see if it should call "forbiddenP=
age" based on the user's roles versus object's required roles.

Any suggestions on how to code it?

After looking through the code, I realize my problem is not knowing how to =
access the requested object (i.e., equivalent to the "this()" above) as wel=
l as making sure that the portal_membership.checkPermission doesn't somehow=
 end up recursing infinitely. I figure it can be done somehow using PARENTS=
 inside the validate() function in LoginManager.py, but I need help.

Thanks!
Sreeram.

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From u.wisser@publisher.de  Sat May 19 12:06:42 2001
From: u.wisser@publisher.de (Ulrich Wisser)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:06:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope] return object from script
In-Reply-To: <H000006800013cf2.0990223191.sjef.websys.no@MHS>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010518230057.009f8030@post.netlink.se>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010519130534.00a00130@post.netlink.se>

At 00:00 19.05.2001 +0200, magnus/Websys@websys.no wrote:
>Like this:
>
><dtml-in "script(param=param)" mapping>
>  <dtml-var foo>
></dtml-in>

thanks! That worked!

But why do I have to say mapping? Other Scripts or
Objects don't have to.

Regards

Ulrich
-- 
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World Wide Web Publisher, Ulrich Wisser, Odensvag 13, S-14571 Norsborg
http://www.publisher.de   Tel: +46-8-53460905    Fax: +46-8-534 609 06



From antwan@dexus.nl  Sat May 19 12:13:33 2001
From: antwan@dexus.nl (Antwan Reijnen)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:13:33 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIEEIMCBAA.brian@digicool.com>
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B322@desi2>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010519130251.00b1af00@pop.xs4all.nl>

Hi Brian,

>As far as GET / PUT, these are not distinguishable from a
>non-DAV GET / PUT (but those operations are protected by
>action-specific permissions anyway).
>
>So this is not a 100% solution, just one that happens to be
>a light-weight way to allow people to solve their immediate
>problem (in basically the same way we solve it for FTP).

Ok, so what do you propose Brian? You have a point by stating that you want 
the Zope-permissionsystem to be action-based in stead of protocol based. 
But then: listing a site's content via the DAV-protocol does not work the 
same as via normal http-based protocol: when index_html is present, the 
site's content (and sub-directory-structure) is effectively masked via 
normal http-access (I think).

So when a certain permission (like Acces Contents Information) effectively 
behaves different under different access-protocols, this action-based 
permission policy seems to me to be inadequate...

Greetings, Antwan.


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From antwan@dexus.nl  Sat May 19 13:01:49 2001
From: antwan@dexus.nl (Antwan Reijnen)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:01:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope on Windows2000
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010519134753.00b875a0@pop.xs4all.nl>

Hi all,

how does Zope work on Windows2000? Due to sudden "political and 
strategical" reasons, the operating system of choise for a large worldwide 
community site will be windows2000... (Microsoft visited some high 
governement official lately...)

However, an existing website already exists, and is build in Zope... Now we 
have to choose for reimplementing the entire site using all Microsoft 
technology, or installing Zope on a Windows2000 server.

Of course, I don't want Zope to blame, when the server goes down because of 
windows or has some windows-related securityholes in it... What is your 
experience with Zope on Windows2000?

Some background: the site I am talking about is likely to be hacked by 
war-criminals... It is going to be the worldwide website for Sercurity, 
Peace and Justice (seated in and hosted by "Den Hague, Legal Capital") Some 
events in the past, where war-criminals hacked sites which contained the 
"wrong" publicity material makes me believe that... Furthermore, the site 
will be very large in terms of all kind of content, delivered by many 
participants. It is believed, and the intention that the site will serve 
many visitors from all around the world...

So: what should I do? Rely on all-microsoft technology, run Zope on 
Windows2000, or forget about Zope in the first place for such a tricky 
project ?

I apreciate any thoughts on this...

Thanks a lot! Greetings, Antwan.


From nallaraja@rediffmail.com  Sat May 19 14:01:06 2001
From: nallaraja@rediffmail.com (nalla raja)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:01:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [Support] help needed
Message-ID: <auto-000001952215@digicool.com>

Sir,

I have zope at my linux server.
i have a workstation at  NT.
now i am accessing to zope from server.
i want to run the zope in my server only.
http://localhost:8080/manage like this.
what should i do.
can u suggest me.


Regards,
nallaraja.

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From chrism@digicool.com  Sat May 19 14:14:19 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:14:19 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [Support] help needed
References: <auto-000001952215@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B0671AB.19226933@digicool.com>

Apologies, I don't understand this question.  Can you rephrase it?

(Also, please do not respond to me personally, please respond to
zope@zope.org)

nalla raja (By way of gary@digicool.com)" wrote:
> 
> Sir,
> 
> I have zope at my linux server.
> i have a workstation at  NT.
> now i am accessing to zope from server.
> i want to run the zope in my server only.
> http://localhost:8080/manage like this.
> what should i do.
> can u suggest me.
> 
> Regards,
> nallaraja.
> 
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Sat May 19 14:15:21 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:15:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] return object from script
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010519130534.00a00130@post.netlink.se>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010519130534.00a00130@post.netlink.se>
Message-ID: <74245541.990285321@BUZZER>

Hi Ulrich,

try {'foo':'bar'}.foo in a python interpreter :-)
If you want attribute access you have to make
a class and define __getattr__() in it.

Regards
Tino

--On Samstag, 19. Mai 2001 13:06 +0200 Ulrich Wisser 
<u.wisser@publisher.de> wrote:

> At 00:00 19.05.2001 +0200, magnus/Websys@websys.no wrote:
>> Like this:
>>
>> <dtml-in "script(param=param)" mapping>
>>  <dtml-var foo>
>> </dtml-in>
>
> thanks! That worked!
>
> But why do I have to say mapping? Other Scripts or
> Objects don't have to.
>
> Regards
>
> Ulrich
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Sat May 19 14:20:10 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:20:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Setting a Cookie
In-Reply-To: <7e1f43cc.43cc7e1f@denalisites.com>
References: <7e1f43cc.43cc7e1f@denalisites.com>
Message-ID: <74534808.990285610@BUZZER>

Hi Tommy,

--On Freitag, 18. Mai 2001 15:12 -0800 Tommy Johnson <tommy@7x.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I'm trying to set a cookie. Simple right? hehe - if so, then I wouldn't
> be here.  ;-)
>
> Ok, I have the syntax in front of me. I have this bit of code to set
> the cookie:
>
> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('CookieMonster', '458468')">
>
> All is well when I save the dtml document and when I run the page. The
> problem - the cookie isn't set!

How do you detect this? Try <dtml-var REQUEST>
to see if your cookie gets set.

I use this code for temporary Cookies and it works.

Regards
Tino

> Now I remember this problem when I worked with ASP. It turns out that
> you had to set an expire date also (although they said that if you
> didn't, the cookie expires when you close the browser and nothing gets
> written to the client machine.) That would be good - IF ONLY I COULD
> ACCESS THE INFORMATION I SET.
>
> Sorry 'bout that. But it's fustrating to see this problem come up again
> with another language.
>
> So I set an expire date. But, get this, now it fails when the page is
> loaded. The error message says that the method expected three
> parameters, but received four. Do you see four parameters here?
>
> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('CookieMonster', '458468', 'Sunday 20-05-
> 2001 12:00:00 GMT')">
>
> I initially had a comma between Wdy, Date - because that is the
> DOCUMENTED syntax, but this seems incorrect also.
>
> Here's the error message:
>
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: too many arguments; expected 3, got 4
>
> Any suggestions? Proven code would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tommy
>
>
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From wilson@visi.com  Sat May 19 14:43:19 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 08:43:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] Apache ProxyPass and VirtualHostMonster
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105190830380.10932-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to get virtual hosting going with a VirtualHostMonster. I use
Apache and ProxyPass like this for the root of my site (with a SiteRoot):

<VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
        ServerName foo.org
        ProxyPass / http://localhost:8080/
        ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8080/
        ProxyPass /misc_ http://localhost:8080/misc_
        ProxyPass /p_ http://localhost:8080/p_
</VirtualHost>

I've created a VirtualHostMonster in the root of my Zope, and now I'd like
to make a subfolder into a virtual host. For example, I want /spam to be at
spam.foo.org. If I have the following configuration, I see my site at
spam.foo.org, but spam.foo.org/manage gives a traceback and a "Resource not
found" error.

<VirtualHost 555.666.777.888>
        ServerName spam.foo.org
        ProxyPass /
http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/spam.isd197.org/spam/VirtualHostRoot
        ProxyPassReverse /
http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/spam.isd197.org/spam/VirtualHostRoot
        ProxyPass /misc_
http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/spam.isd197.org/spam/VirtualHostRoot/misc_
        ProxyPass /p_
http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/spam.isd197.org/spam/VirtualHostRoot/p_
</VirtualHost>

What am I missing?

-Tim

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From tseaver@digicool.com  Sat May 19 17:50:50 2001
From: tseaver@digicool.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:50:50 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Getting the requested object's properties (CMF/LoginManager)
Message-ID: <3B06A46A.D25F5F@novacoxmail.com>

Sreeram Ramachandran <gro.mareers@sreeram.org> wrote:

> System: Zope 2.3.2b2, CMF 1.0, LoginManager 0.8.8b1, Zope/Python Newbie :)
> 
> I wish to customize the following code in standard_html_header (from the de=
> fault CMF skins):
> 
>   <dtml-if "_.hasattr(this(),'isEffective') and not isEffective( ZopeTime()=
>  )">
>   <dtml-unless "portal_membership.checkPermission('Request review',this())
>   or portal_membership.checkPermission('Review portal content',this())">
>   <dtml-var "RESPONSE.unauthorized()">
>   </dtml-unless>
>   </dtml-if>
> 
> Instead of an HTTP-AUTH dialog (as it now stands), I would like to put out =
> a LoginManager-style "forbiddenPage". The following will not work, because =
> the "something follows here" (plus the standard_html_footer) section will s=
> till get output:
> 
> standard_html_header:
>   if ...: // same check as above
>     <dtml-var forbiddenPage>
>   else:
>     ...   // normal stuff
> 
> some_page:
>   <dtml-var standard_html_header>
>   ... something follows here ...
>   <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
> 
> So, what I need to do is to move the "isEffective" check into the LoginMana=
> ger or somewhere else upstream in the authentication process. Hopefully, th=
> e same place where LoginManager checks to see if it should call "forbiddenP=
> age" based on the user's roles versus object's required roles.
> 
> Any suggestions on how to code it?

How about::

  <dtml-return forbiddenPage>

Tres.
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From gro.mareers@sreeram.org  Sat May 19 19:01:37 2001
From: gro.mareers@sreeram.org (Sreeram Ramachandran)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 02:01:37 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Getting the requested object's properties (CMF/LoginManager)
In-Reply-To: <3B06A46A.D25F5F@novacoxmail.com>; from tseaver@novacoxmail.com on Sat, May 19, 2001 at 12:50:50PM -0400
References: <3B06A46A.D25F5F@novacoxmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010520020137.A17317@localhost.nus.edu.sg>

On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 12:50:50PM -0400, Tres Seaver wrote:
> Sreeram Ramachandran <gro.mareers@sreeram.org> wrote:
> 
> > Instead of an HTTP-AUTH dialog (as it now stands), I would like to put out
> > a LoginManager-style "forbiddenPage". The following will not work, because
> > the "something follows here" (plus the standard_html_footer) section will
> > still get output:
> > 
> > standard_html_header:
> >   if ...: // same check as above
> >     <dtml-var forbiddenPage>
> >   else:
> >     ...   // normal stuff
> > 
> > some_page:
> >   <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> >   ... something follows here ...
> >   <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
> 
> How about::
> 
>   <dtml-return forbiddenPage>
> 
> Tres.
> -- 
> ===============================================================
> Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
> Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org

That won't work, because, although standard_html_header will return, some_page
will continue and output the extra stuff ("something follows here" + footer).

But, I found a way out! I now use "<dtml-raise>". In fact, using the same
strategy, I am able to fix other minor irritations, such as:
  - pesky browsers (such as IE) showing their "friendly" error pages instead
    of your nicely-crafted HTML (for stuff like "LoginRequired"/"Forbidden")
  - the W3C HTML validator <http://validator.w3.org/> refusing to process any
    page unless the return code is 200.
  - trying to arbitrarily stop further DTML processing (and not just within
    the current document/method).

I think the solution is pretty neat. It fixes all the above, is neat (i.e.,
without touching the Zope Python code at all) and is concentrated in a couple
of places (such as standard_error_message, loginForm and standard_html_header)
so that the rest of your site won't have to worry about it.

I'll be happy to explain the details if anyone is interested or faces similar
problems.

Cheers!
Sreeram.

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----------------------------------


From marc@bowery.com  Sat May 19 21:36:57 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:36:57 -0400
Subject: [Zope] searching keywords with AND
Message-ID: <B72C51A8.2D5D7%marc@bowery.com>

This construct seems to work:

  <dtml-in "portal_catalog.searchResults( {'meta_type' : 'News Item'
                                          ,'Subject': 's1'
                                          ,'Subject': 's2''
                                          ,'Subject': 's3'
                                          ,'Subject': 's4'}
                                        , sort_on='Date'
                                        , sort_order='reverse'
                                        , review_state='published'
                                        )" size="10">


seems to return something that has Subject keywords s1 AND s2 AND s3 AND s4
(and in this example, meta_type=='News Item') -- unless I'm not testing it
correctly!

Feedback?



From jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu  Sat May 19 20:48:35 2001
From: jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu (John Hunter)
Date: 19 May 2001 14:48:35 -0500
Subject: [Zope] verbatim code in ZWikiPage
Message-ID: <1rzoc9glws.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>

I would like to include some verbatim code in my zwiki.  I have used
the :: syntax to indicate verbatim example code, as in

You will need some variant of the following in .emacs::

  ;;the following is wherever you put emacs-wiki.el
  (setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/emacs/wiki") load-path))
  ;;these vars must be defined before the emacs-wiki code is loaded
  (defvar emacs-wiki-extended-link-regexp
    "\\[\\[\\([^] \t\n]+\\)\\]\\(\\[\\([^]\n]+\\)\\]\\)?\\]" 
    "Regexp used to match [[extended][links]].")

The verbatim tag is being recognized (ie the newlines are honored and
the typewriter like font is used, but a lot of the syntax is lost.
For example, the above is rendered:

  ;;the following is wherever you put emacs-wiki.el
  (setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/emacs/wiki") load-path))
  ;;these vars must be defined before the emacs-wiki code is loaded
  (defvar emacs-wiki-extended-link-regexp
    "\\\\[\\([^? \t\n]+\\)\\]\\(\\\\([^?\n]+\\)\\]\\)?\\]" 
    "Regexp used to match [extended?links?].")


Is this a correctable(ed) problem with zwiki mode?  Or am I doing
something wrong?

Thanks,
John Hunter 


From luke@seeto.com  Sat May 19 21:58:19 2001
From: luke@seeto.com (luke tymowski)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:58:19 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Apache ProxyPass and VirtualHostMonster
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105190830380.10932-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010519205754.6232B1E001@helena.seeto.com>

Hello Timothy,

I'm trying to get virtual hosting going with a VirtualHostMonster. I use
Apache and ProxyPass like this for the root of my site (with a SiteRoot):

<VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
         ServerName foo.org
         ProxyPass / http://localhost:8080/
         ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8080/
         ProxyPass /misc_ http://localhost:8080/misc_
         ProxyPass /p_ http://localhost:8080/p_
</VirtualHost>

I don't use VirtualHostMonster but instead ProxyPass and SiteRoot.

I don't use the root folder of my Zope installation for anything. All 
other sites branch off the main.

So:
root -> site1
root -> site2
root -> site3

site1 answers to foo.org
site2 answers to site2.foo.org
site3 answers to site3.foo.org

SiteRoot for site1 is configured as follows:
Base: http://foo.org
Path: /

SiteRoot for site 2 is configured as follows:
Base: http://site2.foo.org
Path: /

SiteRoot for site 3 is configured as follows:
Base: http://site3.foo.org
Path: /

Apache is configured as follows:

<VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
ServerName foo.org
ServerAlias www.foo.org foo.org
ProxyPass / http://mazope:8080/site1/
ProxyPassReverse / http://mazope:8080/site1/
ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/site1/misc_
ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/site1/p_
</VirtualHost>

<VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
ServerName site2.foo.org
ProxyPass / http://mazope:8080/site2/
ProxyPassReverse / http://mazope:8080/site2/
ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/site2/misc_
ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/site2/p_
</VirtualHost>

<VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
ServerName site3.foo.org
ProxyPass / http://mazope:8080/site3/
ProxyPassReverse / http://mazope:8080/site3/
ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/site3/misc_
ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/site3/p_
</VirtualHost>

Luke


From joe@iuveno-net.de  Sat May 19 23:59:31 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 00:59:31 +0200
Subject: [Zope] why can zope not handle large files
References: <3B058F6D.BE18B83A@ecn.purdue.edu>
Message-ID: <001501c0e0b7$630e6a60$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> the transaction.  If we split the 37MB file up into small 3-4MB
> chunks, everything works fine.  But it just can't handle the larger
> file.  To me, 37MB doesn't seem like much.  If it were .5GB, I could
> understand Zope having problems.  How can I get this to work?

I tested uploading files of  up to 100 MB (images, word documents etc.)
without problems. They are also served properly by ZServer. So it doesn't
seem to be a problem for Zope to handle the file upload/download itself. But
if you try to parse a 37 MB document at once, that might be a bit difficult.
How exactly are you doing it? There must be lots of ways to handle this,
e.g. from Python you could read the file row by row and commit batches of 10
or so to the database. Remember that Zope is not designed for parsing files
of that size. Usually, there is no way a DTML page could be that big.

Joachim



From Jan Sew" <esolutions@gmx.net  Sun May 20 02:26:52 2001
From: Jan Sew" <esolutions@gmx.net (Jan Sew)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 03:26:52 +0200
Subject: [Zope] method for checking existence of documents
Message-ID: <002d01c0e0cc$6c8cf060$010aa8c0@uhxk>

hello,

can anyone tell me where to find a dtml method or python script that checks
whether a special document in a zope folder exists when called. dependend on
this query i would like to carry out actions.

if "file exists"
   ....

else
   ....

thanks a lot,

jan






From tino@wildenhain.de  Sun May 20 03:09:22 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 04:09:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] method for checking existence of documents
In-Reply-To: <002d01c0e0cc$6c8cf060$010aa8c0@uhxk>
References: <002d01c0e0cc$6c8cf060$010aa8c0@uhxk>
Message-ID: <120674958.990331762@BUZZER>

Hi Jan,

--On Sonntag, 20. Mai 2001 03:26 +0200 Jan Sew <esolutions@gmx.net> wrote:

> hello,
>
> can anyone tell me where to find a dtml method or python script that
> checks whether a special document in a zope folder exists when called.
> dependend on this query i would like to carry out actions.
>
> if "file exists"
>    ....
>
> else
>    ....
>
> thanks a lot,

Although Zope uses the term "folder" these objects are not very
similar to a filesystem folder. In fact, _every_ zope object
can (and would) have subobjects. Just to clarify this out.
Zope is only a tree of objects, subobjects, subsubobjects and
so on. (See your favourite python manual)

In your case, if your namespace is mapped to _
you can use:

if hasattr(_,'yoursciptobject'):
	...

or in DTML you would write
<dtml-if yourscriptobject>
...
</dtml-if>

Please note: because of acquisition, subobjects with the
same id are looked up on parent request containers.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain




From tim@freepm.org  Sun May 20 03:59:44 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:59:44 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZClasses (Folders or just ObjectManager?)
Message-ID: <3B073320.B0F93523@iswt.com>

I'm trying to determine if I am carrying around extra baggage by
subclassing Folder in my ZClasses instead of just ObjectManager.

It seems that ObjectManager would do just fine since I create my
own propertysheets anyway. Is there an advantage to NOT using
Folder?

Speed? Memory consumption?

Thanks,
-- 
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From kosh@aesaeion.com  Sat May 19 21:07:26 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 20:07:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] image caching
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105191956110.613-100000@aesaeion.com>

I have a class that wraps images and I want to be able to set the HTTP
headers for the object when it is requested. Which method do you need to
override in my python product to catch all requests to that object?

Currently the structure is set up such that I have a Picture object and in
its dict I store a regular zope Image object. It also stores a thumbnail
and a good bit of other information. I want to override however that image
gets handed off to the browser or to the rest of zope.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org



From renfro@tntech.edu  Sun May 20 06:00:44 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 00:00:44 -0500
Subject: [Zope] method for checking existence of documents
In-Reply-To: <002d01c0e0cc$6c8cf060$010aa8c0@uhxk>; from esolutions@gmx.net on Sun, May 20, 2001 at 03:26:52AM +0200
References: <002d01c0e0cc$6c8cf060$010aa8c0@uhxk>
Message-ID: <20010520000044.A27965@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 03:26:52AM +0200, Jan Sew wrote:

> can anyone tell me where to find a dtml method or python script that checks
> whether a special document in a zope folder exists when called. dependend on
> this query i would like to carry out actions.

FAQ -- http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2000-April/108625.html has
one solution. (Google search for 'zope object existence' put that link
right up front.)

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From jwb@imeme.net  Sun May 20 11:04:05 2001
From: jwb@imeme.net (Jake Berglund)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 06:04:05 -0400
Subject: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey)
References: <auto-000001943557@digicool.com> <3B04D40F.3AEE8185@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B079695.5030808@imeme.net>

Hello,

It would be nifty to actually 'meet' the new CEO of Digital Creations in 
a conversation on #zope in a bit more intimate forum rather than such an 
impersonal email survey.  I appreciate the request for input via the 
survey, but I am curious as to the directions that the new leader of DC 
is wanting to take the communities over which he has so much control. 
(ie. Zope AND Python)

Just my .02

Cheers,
Jake

ps. I received the survey 5 times from Zope, and was then forwarded it 
once by another python group independent of the Zope lists I follow. 
Didn't bother me too much though, at least it wasn't pr0n spam. ;)
-- 
Jake Berglund <jwb@imeme.net> Online Community Building
http://imeme.net - Zope Developer Hosting Resources



From tino@wildenhain.de  Sun May 20 11:21:15 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:21:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope] image caching
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105191956110.613-100000@aesaeion.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105191956110.613-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <150185153.990361275@BUZZER>

Hi kosh,

you should either override the index_html method of the
image class or use the optional argument "precondition" on the
image constructor to register a method which gets called
every time a image (or a file) is published.
This way you can set headers and such.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Samstag, 19. Mai 2001 20:07 +0000 kosh@aesaeion.com wrote:

> I have a class that wraps images and I want to be able to set the HTTP
> headers for the object when it is requested. Which method do you need to
> override in my python product to catch all requests to that object?
>
> Currently the structure is set up such that I have a Picture object and in
> its dict I store a regular zope Image object. It also stores a thumbnail
> and a good bit of other information. I want to override however that image
> gets handed off to the browser or to the rest of zope.
>
> Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
> Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )






From kosh@aesaeion.com  Sun May 20 11:42:37 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 10:42:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] image caching
In-Reply-To: <150185153.990361275@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105201040130.613-100000@aesaeion.com>

Here is the solution I came up with that does exactly what I needed.

def __bobo_traverse__(self, REQUEST, name):
	"traverse method"
	if name:
		if hasattr(self,name):
			various set header stuff
			return getattr(self,name)

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Tino Wildenhain wrote:

> Hi kosh,
>
> you should either override the index_html method of the
> image class or use the optional argument "precondition" on the
> image constructor to register a method which gets called
> every time a image (or a file) is published.
> This way you can set headers and such.
>
> HTH
> Tino Wildenhain
>
> --On Samstag, 19. Mai 2001 20:07 +0000 kosh@aesaeion.com wrote:
>
> > I have a class that wraps images and I want to be able to set the HTTP
> > headers for the object when it is requested. Which method do you need to
> > override in my python product to catch all requests to that object?
> >
> > Currently the structure is set up such that I have a Picture object and in
> > its dict I store a regular zope Image object. It also stores a thumbnail
> > and a good bit of other information. I want to override however that image
> > gets handed off to the browser or to the rest of zope.
> >
> > Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
> > Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From kosh@aesaeion.com  Sun May 20 12:05:38 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:05:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Zope] Finding virtual objects in dtml namespace
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105201100490.613-100000@aesaeion.com>

Inside my python I give people the ability to use dtml to change the
output layout of the object however I want to give them the ability to do
that with the management pages also.

lets say I have an object foo and all objects have a
manage_inline_edit_form method. I want to be able to do preferably
<dtml-var foo> and be able to change the namespace such that it calls foos
manage_inline_edit_form. Another acceptable way would be for something
like <dtml-var editfoo> to call the manage_inline_edit_form of the object
foo. The main caveat for something like this is I need these items to
still draw correctly when put in the layout so I think it needs to be a
namespace change rather then changing the rendering of the object itself
by default.

What are possible ways to do this?

Thanks

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun May 20 16:10:21 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 16:10:21 +0100
Subject: [Zope] searching keywords with AND
References: <B72C51A8.2D5D7%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3B07DE5D.3675B788@nipltd.com>

marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> This construct seems to work:
> 
>   <dtml-in "portal_catalog.searchResults( {'meta_type' : 'News Item'
>                                           ,'Subject': 's1'
>                                           ,'Subject': 's2''
>                                           ,'Subject': 's3'
>                                           ,'Subject': 's4'}
>                                         , sort_on='Date'
>                                         , sort_order='reverse'
>                                         , review_state='published'
>                                         )" size="10">
> 
> seems to return something that has Subject keywords s1 AND s2 AND s3 AND s4
> (and in this example, meta_type=='News Item') -- unless I'm not testing it
> correctly!

I don't think you're testing thsi correctly. This is one of the things I'm
really looking forward to in Zope 2.4

cheers,

Chris


From marc@bowery.com  Sun May 20 17:54:22 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:54:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] searching keywords with AND
In-Reply-To: <3B07DE5D.3675B788@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <B72D6EFE.2D62A%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
>
> I don't think you're testing thsi correctly. This is one of the things I'm
> really looking forward to in Zope 2.4

Doh!



From jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu  Sun May 20 18:12:26 2001
From: jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu (John Hunter)
Date: 20 May 2001 12:12:26 -0500
Subject: [Zope] verbatim code in ZWikiPage
In-Reply-To: <1rzoc9glws.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>
References: <1rzoc9glws.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <1ru22g54hx.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>

>>>>> "John" == John Hunter <jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu> writes:

    John> I would like to include some verbatim code in my zwiki.  I
    John> have used the :: syntax to indicate verbatim example code,
    John> as in

Still haven't solved the problem, but perhaps I've narrowed it a bit.
It appears that the WikiNames are still recognized and converted to
links in code.  I suspect this is a feature, and not a bug.  But if
your code has '[' or ']' in certain contexts (like the code in the
OP), all hell will break loose.

I am using ZWiki 0.8.1.  In ZWikiPage.py, the function
ZWikiPage._wikilink_replace does, among many other things,         

        # strip any enclosing []'s that were used
        if re.match(bracketedexpr,m):
            m = re.sub(bracketedexpr, r'\1', m)

I suspect this is related to my problem.

I have tried to find the part of ZWikiPage that recognizes the 'code'
environment, but cannot.  For example, if I search for '::' or
'example' in ZWikiPage.py, I find nothing.  Can someone point me to
the part of the source that recognizes code environments in ZWiki?  It
seems you could fix this problem with a 'replace wiki link unless in
code' construct.

Ideally, one should be able at the least to disable the WikiLink
conversions in code mode.  The wiki poster should be able to input
code verbatim, and the reader should be able to highlight it in the
rendered html and paste it into their source document.  Since almost
all programming languages use square brackets in them, it would be
nice to preserve them in code environments.

Thanks,
John Hunter 


From hamish_lawson@yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 20 22:18:18 2001
From: hamish_lawson@yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Hamish=20Lawson?=)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:18:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope] Creating a learning environment with CMF
Message-ID: <20010520211818.24883.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm looking at creating a learning environment system for use within
our institution using the Content Management Framework. The tutor for a
given course unit would have a space in which they could provide notes
and other resources - discussion forums, quizzes, etc. The tutor should
also be to decide who gets to use the resources for their particular
unit (although they won't be responsible for creating users in the
first place, such details likely coming from an LDAP directory). I will
probably want to be able to make custom CMF-aware tools available to
all builders of course units. My question is whether each course unit
should be a separate CMF Portal instance, or whether there should be
one Portal instance and some folderish product being used for the
course units?

Hamish Lawson
University of St Andrews


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From rhess@bic.ch  Sun May 20 22:54:00 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 23:54:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Creating a learning environment with CMF
References: <20010520211818.24883.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B083CF8.DF0375DC@bic.ch>

Hamish Lawson wrote:
> 
> I'm looking at creating a learning environment system for use within
> our institution using the Content Management Framework. The tutor for a
> given course unit would have a space in which they could provide notes
> and other resources - discussion forums, quizzes, etc. The tutor should
> also be to decide who gets to use the resources for their particular
> unit (although they won't be responsible for creating users in the
> first place, such details likely coming from an LDAP directory). I will
> probably want to be able to make custom CMF-aware tools available to
> all builders of course units. My question is whether each course unit
> should be a separate CMF Portal instance, or whether there should be
> one Portal instance and some folderish product being used for the
> course units?
> 
> Hamish Lawson
> University of St Andrews
>
Hi Hamish

I think, there are a lot of administrative and organizational rationals
going into this decision. You are more independent and flexible by
choosing a Portal instance for each course unit. On the other side, if
you have got more similarities shared among the units, it might be
preferable to keep all in one instance.

If you plan to give each course responsible very much freedom on the
design of his course they certainly will be more happy with their own
instance. If one guy has to do the mail part of the work for all units
(developing and administering, maybe he will prefer to have one single
instance.

If you have got separate instances and you catch a problem in one course
unit, the others will not be touched by that.

So, it depends a lot of the details of your (planned) implementation.

There are a lot of other people who have already some working experience
in this area. The only thing I can do, is to point you to one document I
am aware of with some ressources and links inside, which might be of
interest for you:

http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/choixzope/
http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/choixzope/choixzope.pdf

Maybe, this is of some interest for you.

HTH

--Flynt--


From complaw@hal-pc.org  Sun May 20 23:35:34 2001
From: complaw@hal-pc.org (Ronald L. Chicheter)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 17:35:34 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Date fields in new ZClasses
Message-ID: <3B0846B6.309076F7@hal-pc.org>

I'm using Zope 2.3.2 and created a ZClass.  I wanted to add a (date)
field as a standard property for the class.  However, unlike the string
properties, I had to include an actual date in the data field.  It gave
me an error when I tried to leave it blank.

Does anyone know why you MUST include a non-null date in a date field of
a ZClass?

Cheers,

Ron



From rhess@bic.ch  Sun May 20 23:58:55 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:58:55 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Date fields in new ZClasses
References: <3B0846B6.309076F7@hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <3B084C2F.99F38566@bic.ch>

"Ronald L. Chicheter" wrote:
> 
> I'm using Zope 2.3.2 and created a ZClass.  I wanted to add a (date)
> field as a standard property for the class.  However, unlike the string
> properties, I had to include an actual date in the data field.  It gave
> me an error when I tried to leave it blank.
> 
> Does anyone know why you MUST include a non-null date in a date field of
> a ZClass?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>
Hi Ronald

AFAIK, it is simply that an empty value is not considered as a valid
date type, and you specified (or had to specify) a type of *date* for
this property field. There are other data types for which an empty value
is not valid, e.g. *int* or *float*.

Maybe best is, to give it a default date of *January 1, 1970*.

--Flynt--


From simon@joyful.com  Mon May 21 00:23:52 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 20 May 2001 16:23:52 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [zwiki] zwiki needs you
Message-ID: <87d7934nav.fsf@joyful.com>

Things are moving too slowly, so I've posted a call for help - see
http://zwiki.org (or http://zwiki.org/SimonsLog ).

Thanks! -Simon


From simon@joyful.com  Mon May 21 00:11:32 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 20 May 2001 16:11:32 -0700
Subject: [Zope] verbatim code in ZWikiPage
In-Reply-To: <1ru22g54hx.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu> (John Hunter's message of "20 May 2001 12:12:26 -0500")
References: <1rzoc9glws.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>
 <1ru22g54hx.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <87heyf4nvf.fsf@joyful.com>

John Hunter <jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu> writes:
> Still haven't solved the problem, but perhaps I've narrowed it a bit.
> It appears that the WikiNames are still recognized and converted to
> links in code.  I suspect this is a feature, and not a bug.  But if
> your code has '[' or ']' in certain contexts (like the code in the
> OP), all hell will break loose.

Hi John,

that's right. I think WikiForNow solves this specific problem, and
it's one of the changes I hope to get into zwiki 1.0. If you're in a
hurry you might want to check what Ken did (and send me a patch if
it's easy :).

Or, you could:
- put ! at the beginning of the line(s)
- change your page type to classic wiki or plain text
- hack the code to disable the bracketed links if you don't need them

-Simon


From marc@bowery.com  Mon May 21 00:45:32 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:45:32 -0400
Subject: [Zope] searching keywords with AND
In-Reply-To: <3B07DE5D.3675B788@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <B72DCF5C.2D675%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
>
> I don't think you're testing thsi correctly. This is one of the things I'm
> really looking forward to in Zope 2.4
>

Came up with something to fit my situation:

  <dtml-in "portal_catalog.searchResults( {'meta_type' : 'Portal Audio'
                                          ,'Subject': 's1'}
                                        , sort_on='Date'
                                        , sort_order='reverse'
                                        , review_state='published'
                                        )" size="10">
  <dtml-if "list1inlist2(['s2','s3','s4'],Subject)">
 <blah blah, put the stuff to display each list element here>


where list1inlist2.pys looks like:

#returns true if ALL elements of list1 are in list2

for l1 in list1:
   if l1 not in list2:
      return 0
return 1

So, the first search gives an overbroad list, but at least not the entire
catalog...  then I just chuck anything in there that doesn't meet the more
restricted requirements.



From tim@freepm.org  Mon May 21 01:03:04 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:03:04 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Date fields in new ZClasses
References: <3B0846B6.309076F7@hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <3B085B38.A3B9D5CD@iswt.com>

"Ronald L. Chicheter" wrote:
 
> Does anyone know why you MUST include a non-null date in a date field of
> a ZClass?

How about because taht's the way it works <vbg>

Guess you really didn't need that did you Ron?
Anyway, the work around that I use is to just include a default
that I know is either far into the past or far into the future so
it can be excluded easily. Then any time you instantiate that
class you also have to include a default for any dates that you
do not yet want to fill. I usually just use a hidden field in the
form.

IIRC, the my_date_property:ignore_empty  doesn't work either.

All in all, it's still better than using a string property and
doing the conversions.

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu  Mon May 21 00:36:57 2001
From: jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu (John Hunter)
Date: 20 May 2001 18:36:57 -0500
Subject: [Zope] verbatim code in ZWikiPage
In-Reply-To: <87heyf4nvf.fsf@joyful.com>
References: <1rzoc9glws.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>
 <1ru22g54hx.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu> <87heyf4nvf.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <1rlmnr619i.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>

>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Michael <simon@joyful.com> writes:

    Simon> that's right. I think WikiForNow solves this specific
    Simon> problem, and it's one of the changes I hope to get into
    Simon> zwiki 1.0. If you're in a hurry you might want to check
    Simon> what Ken did (and send me a patch if it's easy :).

Since you call the HTML/Structured text conversion before doing the
wiki link expansion, it seems that the solution is to write a simple
html parser which calls the wiki link regular expression substitutions
unless you are in a PRE environment.  I am working on that and will
let you know if I come up with anything.  I'll also try and take a
look at Ken's code.

Thanks,
John Hunter 


From robert@rocad.ch  Mon May 21 05:55:01 2001
From: robert@rocad.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:55:01 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Problem using SQL Example from the Zope Book
Message-ID: <002c01c0e1b2$3297c790$43a4023e@karin>

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Hi there,

I try to build the examples given in chapter 10

When I try to access a ZSql method passing it a parameter like this

http://localhost:8080/employee_by_id/emp_id/42

where the parameter name is emp_id and the value 42 I get a "not found" =
traceback

I have to use

http://localhost:8080/employee_by_id/manage_test?ClientID=3D12

why does it not work like the Book sugests?

thanks for your time

Robert


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http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi there,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I try to build the examples given in =
chapter=20
10</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I try to access a&nbsp;ZSql method =
passing it=20
a parameter like this</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://localhost">http://localhost</A>:8080/employee_by_id/emp_id=
/42</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>where the parameter name is emp_id and =
the value 42=20
I get a "not found" traceback</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have to use</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://localhost">http://localhost</A>:8080/employee_by_id/manage=
_test?ClientID=3D12</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>why does it not work like the Book sugests?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>thanks for your time</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Robert</DIV>
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From alet@unice.fr  Mon May 21 07:40:09 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:40:09 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] thread safety
In-Reply-To: <d455gtsc64rdi4f1ic0n17gnb2itk79vsb@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010521083841.11188A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, Toby Dickenson wrote:

> On Wed, 16 May 2001 16:44:37 +0200 (MET DST), Jerome Alet
> <alet@unice.fr> wrote:
> 
> >So my question is: is this code thread safe, wrt to other Zope threads
> >accessing the os module methods while they are redirected to mine ? I
> >don't want other Zope threads to access my own methods, just the current
> >one. 
> 
> The cheeky solution involves using the standard library module rexec.
> It was designed for replacing modules in a security sandbox (for
> example, replacing the standard 'open' function with one that limits
> access to a specific directory) but it will do exactly what you want
> too.
> 
> The python documentation for this module is a little thin, but there
> is deeper documentation on www.python.org.

I really don't understand how to do that, does someone have working
examples ?

thanks in advance !

Jerome Alet



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon May 21 08:36:44 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:36:44 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Calculating how long time a user spends on a page
Message-ID: <01052109364400.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I need to find out how long time a user spend on a page in my zope site.
Guess you can do that by a session/cookie, but I don't know anything about it.
Anyone who has tried to do something like this ?

It's for a cinema that plays movies (pay-per-view), so I need to count the 
minutes from the movie begins to the user exits.

Any good ideas ?

Regards,
-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From fte@lightwerk.com  Mon May 21 09:09:11 2001
From: fte@lightwerk.com (Frank Tegtmeyer)
Date: 21 May 2001 10:09:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Calculating how long time a user spends on a page
In-Reply-To: Gitte Wange's message of "Mon, 21 May 2001 09:36:44 +0200"
References: <01052109364400.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <uf66evunrs.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>

Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> writes:

> It's for a cinema that plays movies (pay-per-view), so I need to count the 
> minutes from the movie begins to the user exits.

At the web you can only make some guesses how long a user stays on a
page. You never will get feedback if the user simply goes elsewhere or
closes the browser.

For pay per view (in your case for time) you may

- use a specialized application to play the video (not user friendly :)
- force the user to do something to keep the video stream alive (also
  not user friendly :)

First do a decision about which way you ensure pay-per-time then think
about the implementation.

An option would be of course pay-per-view without time limitation.

Regards, Frank


From hannu@tm.ee  Mon May 21 09:17:54 2001
From: hannu@tm.ee (Hannu Krosing)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:17:54 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Calculating how long time a user spends on a page
References: <01052109364400.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <3B08CF32.B69DA1D@tm.ee>

Gitte Wange wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I need to find out how long time a user spend on a page in my zope site.
> Guess you can do that by a session/cookie, 

I know of noe way you can do it reliably using session/cookies ;(

>but I don't know anything about it.
> Anyone who has tried to do something like this ?
> 
> It's for a cinema that plays movies (pay-per-view), so I need to count the
> minutes from the movie begins to the user exits.
> 
> Any good ideas ?

The only way I can think of is measuring the actual movie stream.

That also seems to be most fair as that (and not viewing the page around
it)
is what you actually charge for ;)

-----------------
Hannu


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Mon May 21 09:17:07 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:17:07 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Problem using SQL Example from the Zope Book
References: <002c01c0e1b2$3297c790$43a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <024f01c0e1ce$6f429140$5c773fc1@media1>

Robert,

Take a look at the advanced tab on the ZSQL Method, you need to turn on the
direct traversal option.

OK, now I've helped you, you can do something for me.

Please don't send HTML mail to this list, the list charter explicitly
forbids it.

Thanks,

(Robert, please ignore this next bit)

Chris,

I hereby take my listcop badge back, take it again again and legs will be
broken ;)

Phil
phil.harris@zope.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Rottermann
To: zope@zope.org
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:55 AM
Subject: [Zope] Problem using SQL Example from the Zope Book


Hi there,

I try to build the examples given in chapter 10

When I try to access a ZSql method passing it a parameter like this

http://localhost:8080/employee_by_id/emp_id/42

where the parameter name is emp_id and the value 42 I get a "not found"
traceback

I have to use

http://localhost:8080/employee_by_id/manage_test?ClientID=12

why does it not work like the Book sugests?

thanks for your time

Robert



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 21 09:21:39 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:21:39 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Calculating how long time a user spends on a page
References: <01052109364400.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <3B08D013.C8F31AC7@nipltd.com>

Gitte Wange wrote:
> 
> I need to find out how long time a user spend on a page in my zope site.
> Guess you can do that by a session/cookie, but I don't know anything about it.
> Anyone who has tried to do something like this ?
>
> It's for a cinema that plays movies (pay-per-view), so I need to count the
> minutes from the movie begins to the user exits.

http://www.sealedmedia.com

cheers,

Chris


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon May 21 09:23:59 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:23:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Calculating how long time a user spends on a page
In-Reply-To: <uf66evunrs.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>
References: <01052109364400.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <uf66evunrs.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>
Message-ID: <01052110235907.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Monday 21 May 2001 10:09, Frank Tegtmeyer wrote:
> Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> writes:
> > It's for a cinema that plays movies (pay-per-view), so I need to count
> > the minutes from the movie begins to the user exits.
>
> At the web you can only make some guesses how long a user stays on a
> page. You never will get feedback if the user simply goes elsewhere or
> closes the browser.
>
> For pay per view (in your case for time) you may
>
> - use a specialized application to play the video (not user friendly :)

Wel we are using an embedded RealPlayer to play the video stream in.
So that is a specialized application (sort to speak).
Is this ehat you were thinking about ???

Gitte


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Mon May 21 09:30:39 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:30:39 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Re: HTML Mail (was: [Zope-Annce] Zope Weekly News for May 18th)
In-Reply-To: <244020000.990244605@orlog>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105211228410.18907-100000@phd.fep.ru>

Hello!

   There is a voting going on the subject of HTML Mail. Please go and show
your opinion!

On Fri, 18 May 2001, ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
>
>   Kill HTML Mail
>
>     There is a proposal out there to reject mail formatted in html that
> gets sent
>     to the list. I can change things so that any html mail that gets sent
> to the
>     list is rejected with a message that states that the lists do not accept
>     HTML mail.  If you think it should be that way, send an "email to
> webmaster",
>     mailto:webmaster@zope.org&subject=no%20html%20mail
>     with the subject "no html mail". If you think that the behaviour should
>     stay the same, "email the webmaster",
>     mailto:webmaster@zope.org&subject=ok%20html%20mail
>     with the subject "ok html mail"

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From fte@lightwerk.com  Mon May 21 09:34:06 2001
From: fte@lightwerk.com (Frank Tegtmeyer)
Date: 21 May 2001 10:34:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Calculating how long time a user spends on a page
In-Reply-To: Gitte Wange's message of "Mon, 21 May 2001 10:23:59 +0200"
References: <01052109364400.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
 <uf66evunrs.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>
 <01052110235907.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <ufwv7bt81t.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>

Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> writes:

> So that is a specialized application (sort to speak).
> Is this ehat you were thinking about ???

If it's the standard plug-in, then not. What I meant is an application
that does report the use of the video stream back to the streaming
server. This report must be bound to something that identifies the
user. The standard Realplayer does not do something like that, I
think. If it does, fine - but then it's not a Zope problem :)

For tracking users have a look at the CoreSession product. You may
build a custom authorization solution with it.

Regards, Frank


From fte@lightwerk.com  Mon May 21 09:50:20 2001
From: fte@lightwerk.com (Frank Tegtmeyer)
Date: 21 May 2001 10:50:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Calculating how long time a user spends on a page
In-Reply-To: Chris Withers's message of "Mon, 21 May 2001 09:21:39 +0100"
References: <01052109364400.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
 <3B08D013.C8F31AC7@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <ufk83bt7ar.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>

Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:

> http://www.sealedmedia.com

Does it support pay per time? The web page is another one full of
marketing without technical details ...

I found only "limited time" licensing but I don't think that's what
Gitte looks for.

Regards, Frank


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon May 21 09:51:30 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:51:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Create a user admin page where an administrator can change the user roles
Message-ID: <01052110513008.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I have searched through the archives but couldn't find the answer I am 
looking for:

I need to create a page for an administrator in my portal where he can assign 
some other roles to the Members in that portal.
It isnt't a problem to create the page - but I don't know what method to call 
to update the roles ?

Gitte


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 21 09:54:46 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:54:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Calculating how long time a user spends on a page
References: <01052109364400.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
 <3B08D013.C8F31AC7@nipltd.com> <ufk83bt7ar.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>
Message-ID: <3B08D7D6.7905E01B@nipltd.com>


Frank Tegtmeyer wrote:
> 
> Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:
> 
> > http://www.sealedmedia.com
> 
> Does it support pay per time? 

I think you can specify the tiem a license lasts, which I know is slightly
different from pay-for-time...

cheers,

Chris


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon May 21 09:55:35 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:55:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Calculating how long time a user spends on a page
In-Reply-To: <ufwv7bt81t.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>
References: <01052109364400.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <01052110235907.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <ufwv7bt81t.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>
Message-ID: <01052110553509.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Monday 21 May 2001 10:34, Frank Tegtmeyer wrote:
> Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> writes:
> > So that is a specialized application (sort to speak).
> > Is this ehat you were thinking about ???
>
> If it's the standard plug-in, then not. What I meant is an application
> that does report the use of the video stream back to the streaming
> server. This report must be bound to something that identifies the
> user. The standard Realplayer does not do something like that, I
> think. If it does, fine - but then it's not a Zope problem :)
>
> For tracking users have a look at the CoreSession product. You may
> build a custom authorization solution with it.

I just tried to do a search on it on zope.org but didn't get any results. Do 
you have an URL ?

Gitte


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 21 09:59:19 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:59:19 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Problem using SQL Example from the Zope Book
References: <002c01c0e1b2$3297c790$43a4023e@karin> <024f01c0e1ce$6f429140$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <3B08D8E7.D2ECEBAE@nipltd.com>

Phil Harris wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> I hereby take my listcop badge back, take it again and legs will be
> broken ;)

*grinz*

Chris


From nallaraja@rediffmail.com  Mon May 21 10:32:07 2001
From: nallaraja@rediffmail.com (nalla raja)
Date: 21 May 2001 09:32:07 -0000
Subject: [Zope] [Support] help needed
Message-ID: <20010521093207.9402.qmail@mailweb24.rediffmail.com>

Sir,

I have zope running at my linux server.
I have a NT workstation.I am accessing zope 
from linux server as http://servername/manage.
ok. I am having one folder raja in the zope.

Now,

I want to run the zope like this http://localhost:8080/manage 
which is having only my folder and 
control panel.

got it?

Regards,
nallaraja.

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From nallaraja@rediffmail.com  Mon May 21 10:33:00 2001
From: nallaraja@rediffmail.com (nalla raja)
Date: 21 May 2001 09:33:00 -0000
Subject: [Zope] [Support] help needed
Message-ID: <20010521093300.31663.qmail@mailweb20.rediffmail.com>

Sir,

I have zope running at my linux server.
I have a NT workstation.I am accessing zope 
from linux server as http://servername/manage.
ok. I am having one folder raja in the zope.

Now,

I want to run the zope like this http://localhost:8080/manage 
which is having only my folder and 
control panel.

got it?

Regards,
nallaraja.

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From tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com  Mon May 21 11:58:18 2001
From: tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:58:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope] thread safety
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010521083841.11188A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
References: <d455gtsc64rdi4f1ic0n17gnb2itk79vsb@4ax.com> <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010521083841.11188A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <c1thgtoutoll3te2c6vq596dnai8qrkv60@4ax.com>

On Mon, 21 May 2001 08:40:09 +0200 (MET DST), Jerome Alet
<alet@unice.fr> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 May 2001, Toby Dickenson wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 May 2001 16:44:37 +0200 (MET DST), Jerome Alet
>> <alet@unice.fr> wrote:
>>=20
>> >So my question is: is this code thread safe, wrt to other Zope =
threads
>> >accessing the os module methods while they are redirected to mine ? I
>> >don't want other Zope threads to access my own methods, just the =
current
>> >one.=20
>>=20
>> The cheeky solution involves using the standard library module rexec.
>> It was designed for replacing modules in a security sandbox (for
>> example, replacing the standard 'open' function with one that limits
>> access to a specific directory) but it will do exactly what you want
>> too.
>>=20
>> The python documentation for this module is a little thin, but there
>> is deeper documentation on www.python.org.
>
>I really don't understand how to do that, does someone have working
>examples ?
>
>thanks in advance !

import rexec
import os

def customised_listdir(f):
    # customise this
    return ['perl','python','c++']

def make_glob():
    r_env =3D rexec.RExec()
    module =3D r_env.add_module('os')
    for name,value in os.__dict__.items():
        setattr(module,name,value)
    module.listdir =3D customised_listdir
    r_env.s_exec('import glob')
    return r_env.r_eval('glob.glob')

glob =3D make_glob()

def test():
    print glob('/p*')

if __name__=3D=3D'__main__':
    test()


Toby Dickenson
tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com


From paul@digicool.com  Mon May 21 12:22:33 2001
From: paul@digicool.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:22:33 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
Message-ID: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com>

Howdy folks.  AndyM is running a poll over at ZopeZen:

  http://www.zopezen.org/
  (Look at the bottom of the left margin)

< spoiler warning>

Before reading the rest of this message, please vote.  I 
don't want to bias your response.  And don't peek at the 
results before you vote!

</spoiler warning>

OK, on to the discussion.  Are those numbers *really* accurate?  I gotta
admit, though I've had a soft spot in my heart for the Zope Studio
thing, I'm stunned that it would be in front.  Much less so *far* in
front.  Are these results an accurate reading of the sentiments -- that
given the list of choices Andy presented, a Zope Studio is so much more
popular than those choices!?!

Wow.  Let's try a different tack.  Pretend there was a for-free Zope
Studio and a for-fee Zope Studio.  Let's say the difference was either
like ActiveState's difference (personal use vs. professional use), or
say the difference was in "Professional" capabilities.

Does anyone think there would be any moderate-sized market for a for-fee
version?  How many of you would pay a few hundred bucks for a
high-quality dev/authoring/admin environment for Zope?

--Paul


From alet@unice.fr  Mon May 21 12:23:20 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:23:20 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre1
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010521130537.13322A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi,

I'm pleased to announce the availability of ZShell 1.0pre1.

ZShell is an external Zope method which allows you to
manipulate the ZODB using standard unix shell's commands
from within Zope's Management Interface in your web
browser.

You can download it from:

	http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

This is a preversion of 1.0 which I'll publish in a week or two, but I
would want to receive lots of feedback from people who use ZShell with
SiteRoots, VirtualHostMonsters and all this sort of things.

Such setups seem to make ZShell display incorrect urls and objects'
paths, so the more feedback I receive the on this subject, the less buggy
it will be in 1.0 final. Please send me reports which include your
current configuration and "works" or "doesn't work", and of course feel
free to send patches.

New features are:
=================

- The call command works again.
- The wget command works again.
- The passwd command now works.
- The domains command now works.
- The roles command now works.
- The lrole command was renamed to lroles to be more
  consistent with the roles command.
- The lsusers command now lists both roles and local
  roles.
- The lsuser command was renamed to lsusers to be more
  consistent with the rest.
- The cd command now displays the current directory
  correctly when an error occurs.
- Security checks are now done for all commands.
- DocStrings fixes.
- Urls should now be OK with SiteRoots and
  Apache ProxyPass/ProxyReverse, but this needs
  heavy testing by someone who has got this sort of
  setup.

The fact that all commands now do security checks may be of
particular interest to those of you who were afraid of giving
ZShell access to people: you should now be able to do it (carefully)

1.0 final will include:
=======================

	addrole		(add a user defined role)
	setperms	(set permissions)
	lsperms		(list permissions)
	locate 		(search in ZCatalog)
	history		(history of commands)
	suckfs		(suck filesystems and put them into ZODB)

	the mv command will allow renaming.
	the mv and cp commands will accept paths in source arguments.

TODO list for post 1.0:
=======================

        - Make most commands recognize options, the most useful
          options would certainely be:

                        --recurse and --maxdepth
                        --hasperms=
                        --type=
                        --mtime=
                        --mmin=
                        --owner=
                        ...
        - Piping between commands.

Feel free to send any wish, comment, bug report, patch, etc...

Thanks in advance.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr - http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome
Fac de Medecine de Nice        http://wwwmed.unice.fr 
Tel: (+33) 4 93 37 76 30     Fax: (+33) 4 93 53 15 15
28 Avenue de Valombrose - 06107 NICE Cedex 2 - FRANCE



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 21 12:35:30 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:35:30 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
References: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B08FD82.88971F3D@nipltd.com>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
> Does anyone think there would be any moderate-sized market for a for-fee
> version?  How many of you would pay a few hundred bucks for a
> high-quality dev/authoring/admin environment for Zope?

I would if it was open source and didn't require Mozilla.

How about if it worked over a ZEO connection instead of through HTTP or XML-RPC?

*cough*

Did someome say Lotus Notes ;-)

cheers,

Chris


From luke@seeto.com  Mon May 21 12:49:27 2001
From: luke@seeto.com (luke tymowski)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:49:27 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
In-Reply-To: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010521115012.299B01E001@helena.seeto.com>

Hello Paul,

> Does anyone think there would be any moderate-sized market for a for-fee
> version?  How many of you would pay a few hundred bucks for a
> high-quality dev/authoring/admin environment for Zope?

I think so. While I don't usually like anything from Microsoft, I was 
very impressed by their upcoming .NET Visual Studio. The IDE is 
beautiful and is a programmer's delight.

I would pay for one. However, if it cost several hundred US I probably 
wouldn't buy one for personal use. But, at work, where I can now use 
Zope as part of my job, I could get away with ordering a copy.

I would love to hear what Randall Kern has to say on the subject. He's 
the primary developer at Spoke.net, answers questions here, and, more 
importantly, in a previous life, he was a developer on the Microsoft 
Visual Studio team.

Luke


From tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk  Mon May 21 12:58:49 2001
From: tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk (Tony McDonald)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:58:49 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
In-Reply-To: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <B72EC188.84A0%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>

On 21/5/01 12:22 pm, "Paul Everitt" <paul@digicool.com> wrote:

> 
> Howdy folks.  AndyM is running a poll over at ZopeZen:
> 
> http://www.zopezen.org/
> (Look at the bottom of the left margin)

[snip] 

> 
> OK, on to the discussion.  Are those numbers *really* accurate?  I gotta
> admit, though I've had a soft spot in my heart for the Zope Studio
> thing, I'm stunned that it would be in front.  Much less so *far* in
> front.  Are these results an accurate reading of the sentiments -- that
> given the list of choices Andy presented, a Zope Studio is so much more
> popular than those choices!?!

Well, if you look at the other choices;

More kick ass RDMS adapters     - more or less covered
Storage abstraction layer       - deep voodoo, not many folks will
understand this one
An IDE (Zope Studio)            -
Easier installation of Zope and products    - happens quite rarely
Conversion of more data types   - seems like another db issue
Nothing, its perfect            - :)

Not that I'm slagging Andy off - it's a *good* thing to solicit feedback,
just that out of those choices, most people are going to go for the
'eye-candy' option.

> 
> Wow.  Let's try a different tack.  Pretend there was a for-free Zope
> Studio and a for-fee Zope Studio.  Let's say the difference was either
> like ActiveState's difference (personal use vs. professional use), or
> say the difference was in "Professional" capabilities.
> 
> Does anyone think there would be any moderate-sized market for a for-fee
> version?  How many of you would pay a few hundred bucks for a
> high-quality dev/authoring/admin environment for Zope?
> 
> --Paul

One thing for me - it *must* be cross-platform. One reason I'm so into Zope
is the non-M$oft flavour of it all, I can use it from my Mac runnning MacOS
X (and *run* Zope on it), on PCs in our department, or most other things we
come across as long as they run a browser.

I won't use a PC to edit my Zope pages.

There's no downloads for a MacOS version of Python from the ActiveState
pages so this proposal doesn't thrill me that much. I'd prefer to see the
web interface cleaned up and XML integration boosted.

I *would* pay money for a high-quality environment, with the caveats above.

My 2p
Tone.
-- 
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The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope



From luke@seeto.com  Mon May 21 13:06:34 2001
From: luke@seeto.com (luke tymowski)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:06:34 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
In-Reply-To: <B72EC188.84A0%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20010521120719.281CB1E001@helena.seeto.com>

Hello,

Tony McDonald said:
<quote>
One thing for me - it *must* be cross-platform. One reason I'm so into 
Zope
is the non-M$oft flavour of it all, I can use it from my Mac runnning 
MacOS
X (and *run* Zope on it), on PCs in our department, or most other things 
we
come across as long as they run a browser.
</quote>

I'll have to second that. At home I use MacOS X. If I can't run that 
then I run Linux. At work I run Windows - we're a windows programming 
shop so I don't have much choice - but W2K and XP are pretty good OSs. :)

Maybe a joint project with PythonWare, using Tkinter?

Luke


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Mon May 21 13:11:44 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:11:44 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
References: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <031801c0e1ef$385c99c0$5c773fc1@media1>

A for charge option sounds good, with caveats.

It most definitely shouldn't be based on Mozilla, it's too slow and heavy
(sorry ActiveState).

It should be cross-platform.

This is starting to sound like a job for Python isn't it.

Also the price shouldn't be exhorbitantly high.

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Everitt" <paul@digicool.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:22 PM
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers


>
> Howdy folks.  AndyM is running a poll over at ZopeZen:
>
>   http://www.zopezen.org/
>   (Look at the bottom of the left margin)
>
> < spoiler warning>
>
> Before reading the rest of this message, please vote.  I
> don't want to bias your response.  And don't peek at the
> results before you vote!
>
> </spoiler warning>
>
> OK, on to the discussion.  Are those numbers *really* accurate?  I gotta
> admit, though I've had a soft spot in my heart for the Zope Studio
> thing, I'm stunned that it would be in front.  Much less so *far* in
> front.  Are these results an accurate reading of the sentiments -- that
> given the list of choices Andy presented, a Zope Studio is so much more
> popular than those choices!?!
>
> Wow.  Let's try a different tack.  Pretend there was a for-free Zope
> Studio and a for-fee Zope Studio.  Let's say the difference was either
> like ActiveState's difference (personal use vs. professional use), or
> say the difference was in "Professional" capabilities.
>
> Does anyone think there would be any moderate-sized market for a for-fee
> version?  How many of you would pay a few hundred bucks for a
> high-quality dev/authoring/admin environment for Zope?
>
> --Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> (Related lists -
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From alet@unice.fr  Mon May 21 13:13:45 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:13:45 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
In-Reply-To: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010521140236.13322C-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Mon, 21 May 2001, Paul Everitt wrote:

> Wow.  Let's try a different tack.  Pretend there was a for-free Zope
> Studio and a for-fee Zope Studio.  Let's say the difference was either
> like ActiveState's difference (personal use vs. professional use), or
> say the difference was in "Professional" capabilities.

If it's closed source, but entirely customizeable in Python and with a
"pay once, updates are free for buyers" strategy then I'll probably buy it
up to 500 US$ if its reasonably bug-free, more if it's really good ;-)

The problem would be that where I work (I think it's a problem in the
french administration) it's very difficult (quasi-impossible) to buy
something through the Net, so you would have to have a local vendor.

bye,

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr - http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome
Fac de Medecine de Nice        http://wwwmed.unice.fr 
Tel: (+33) 4 93 37 76 30     Fax: (+33) 4 93 53 15 15
28 Avenue de Valombrose - 06107 NICE Cedex 2 - FRANCE




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 21 13:18:06 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:18:06 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
References: <20010521120719.281CB1E001@helena.seeto.com>
Message-ID: <3B09077E.71543D50@nipltd.com>

luke tymowski wrote:
> 
> I'll have to second that. At home I use MacOS X. If I can't run that
> then I run Linux. At work I run Windows - we're a windows programming
> shop so I don't have much choice - but W2K and XP are pretty good OSs. :)
> 
> Maybe a joint project with PythonWare, using Tkinter?

Andy D here at NIP is working on the very beginnings of just such a thing ;-)

Anyone interested in helping?
Should we get a project on SourceForge for this?
What should we call it?

cheers,

Chris


From maxm@normik.dk  Mon May 21 13:19:34 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:19:34 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D11@exchange>

> From: Paul Everitt [mailto:paul@digicool.com]

> OK, on to the discussion.  Are those numbers *really* 
> accurate?  I gotta

My biggest beef with the numbers is that the poll is missing the most
obvious category.

Pre-built Lego style interoperable modules that you can just install and
then have them automagically work together on a site. If the module is there
it shows up in the site structure, if it isn't, there is no trace of it.

Oh yes ... and a smart way to syndicate stuff.

As far as I can see soon we will all have our own personal portal for
various reasons. (Big ego's being one). At the same time I see all the major
portals crosslinking excessively to each other. All off them having their
own articles and discussions around one "source" article.

It ought to be easy to be a syndicator of both articles and comments, so
that articles and comments from several sites will be synchronized
automagically. 

And while we are at it we should make it easy for all Zope products to do
this. Calendars would also be easily sync'able then.

Well anyway ... I am currently planning/building both of the above, I'll get
back when the code is sound.

Regards Max M


From luke@seeto.com  Mon May 21 13:27:15 2001
From: luke@seeto.com (luke tymowski)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:27:15 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
In-Reply-To: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D11@exchange>
Message-ID: <20010521122652.1303E1E001@helena.seeto.com>

On Monday, May 21, 2001, at 08:19 AM, Max M=F8ller Rasmussen wrote:

> Oh yes ... and a smart way to syndicate stuff.
> It ought to be easy to be a syndicator of both articles and comments, =
so
> that articles and comments from several sites will be synchronized
> automagically.

That would be RSS.
http://www.webreference.com/authoring/languages/xml/rss/1/

Luke


From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Mon May 21 13:37:35 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:37:35 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CD4@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

Ouch!  You hit close to home there.

Yep.  I'd pay.  I spend enough time in the ZMI that I'm busy developing my
own hotfixes for the interface to make it workable.  Zope *badly* needs an
IDE, but not too many are willing to devote the time to it (myself
included).  It needs to have source available (so I can do my own bugfixes).
I'm really liking Zope's hotfix-ability, so that would be a niceity for the
IDE.  I don't mind it being based on Mozilla, but it should be a new one.
Mozilla offers the ability to do HTTP, HTTPS, and FTP outta the box, so
that's a start already.  I could probably pull off buying it at work.  If it
is good, I'd probably buy a personal copy and hope there wasn't a $100/year
upgrade tax.  Still, it's gotta have the source (ie Debian: For the
militantly free :)

Conclusion:
1) Gotta be Free software.
2) Should run on every platform that zope does.
3) Should offer HTTP, HTTPS (not optional in my environment), XML-RPC
(optional) and ZEO (for speed) access to the server.  Even cooler, run a ZEO
connection over ssh.

Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Everitt [mailto:paul@digicool.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 6:23 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers



Howdy folks.  AndyM is running a poll over at ZopeZen:

  http://www.zopezen.org/
  (Look at the bottom of the left margin)

< spoiler warning>

Before reading the rest of this message, please vote.  I 
don't want to bias your response.  And don't peek at the 
results before you vote!

</spoiler warning>

OK, on to the discussion.  Are those numbers *really* accurate?  I gotta
admit, though I've had a soft spot in my heart for the Zope Studio
thing, I'm stunned that it would be in front.  Much less so *far* in
front.  Are these results an accurate reading of the sentiments -- that
given the list of choices Andy presented, a Zope Studio is so much more
popular than those choices!?!

Wow.  Let's try a different tack.  Pretend there was a for-free Zope
Studio and a for-fee Zope Studio.  Let's say the difference was either
like ActiveState's difference (personal use vs. professional use), or
say the difference was in "Professional" capabilities.

Does anyone think there would be any moderate-sized market for a for-fee
version?  How many of you would pay a few hundred bucks for a
high-quality dev/authoring/admin environment for Zope?

--Paul

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From bsimon@stsci.edu  Mon May 21 14:01:43 2001
From: bsimon@stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:01:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Setting user when debugging
Message-ID: <3B0911B7.2D013172@stsci.edu>

When I ran Zope under the Python debugger, I was logged in as 'Anonymous
User'. What python command should I run to change to another user?

--
Bernie Simon			Solving yesterday's problems tomorrow


From wilson@visi.com  Mon May 21 14:05:26 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:05:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] simple workflow system
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105210757170.9567-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm working on a project and I'd like to implement a simple workflow
system. There would be "reviewers," "contributors," and anonymous visitors
would be able to submit content too.

Should I:

1. Have the item cataloged after it is reviewed and approved. (I believe
this is how Zope.org functions.)

2. Catalog everything, but have a property called "published" that only the
reviewers can set and use Zope's security mechanism to prevent viewing
unpublished content for anonymous visitors.

3. Use the CMF.

4. Something else

My concern about the CMF is that it seems to be an all-or-nothing package at
this point. I really don't need the membership part of it because my site is
99.99% read-only. It's a small group of people creating the content.

Any thoughts?

-Tim

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From seb@jamkit.com  Mon May 21 14:38:29 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:38:29 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
In-Reply-To: <3B09077E.71543D50@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Mon, May 21, 2001 at 01:18:06PM +0100
References: <20010521120719.281CB1E001@helena.seeto.com> <3B09077E.71543D50@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010521143828.E1969@lenin.jamkit.com>

Um, not a very helpful comment, but: it all depends on what the IDE
does. 

Really, I'm happy using emacs for my development, but I still voted on
for an IDE in the zopezen poll and on the spa^D^D^Dsurvey discussed late last
week ;-) 

That's because I'm fed up of a few small things:

 - the old grep / cvs / cli dev tool problem
 - the hassle of making new products (it's not that hard, but
   nonetheless it'd be nice to have some stub-generating wizard
   thingums)  
 - debugging.  perhaps I'm going about it wrong, but I find debugging
   very frustrating, because each time I want to trace something, I
   have to start the server inside emacs, add a import
   pdb;pdb.set_trace(), find my bug, and then kill everything, remove
   the import statement and start again. (is that how others do it?
   perhaps I should start a new thread...)

of course, these requirements could be met by a few changes to the
Zope core and some cheap and cheerful scripts.  so I don't really know
if I want an IDE or not.  I just want it to be easier to develop Zope
products, and a really nice IDE should no exactly that.  if it did,
I'd pay, but I've not got much money ;)

* Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> [010521 13:24]:
> > Maybe a joint project with PythonWare, using Tkinter?
> 
> Andy D here at NIP is working on the very beginnings of just such a thing ;-)

did you see shane's wxpython ZOBD browser?

  http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2001-April/010880.html

cheers,

seb.





From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon May 21 14:06:07 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:06:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Write out "
Message-ID: <0105211506070B.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I need to write out the character "
How ?

I can't do this:
<dtml-let string="'<body bgcolor="#000000"'">

I have tried with:
<dtml-let string="<body bgcolor=\"#000000\"'">
but that doesn't work either.

How do I do it ?

Gitte


From maxm@normik.dk  Mon May 21 14:11:37 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:11:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D12@exchange>

> From: luke tymowski [mailto:luke@seeto.com]

> > Oh yes ... and a smart way to syndicate stuff.
> > It ought to be easy to be a syndicator of both articles and=20
> comments, so
> > that articles and comments from several sites will be synchronized
> > automagically.
>=20
> That would be RSS.
> http://www.webreference.com/authoring/languages/xml/rss/1/

Yes and no ... I am talking about being able to synchronize two sites, =
or
just parts of them automatically, and I think that it needs to be more
flexible than RSS.

What I want is that if I write an article on my site, my site will call
other sites that has me in a "syndication list", and then they will =
somehow
decide whether they want to publish my article. If they do want to =
publish
it my site will be notified.

When somebody writes a comment on my site it will automatically be sent =
on
to the sites syndicating the article.

When somebody writes a comment on a site syndicating my article it will =
be
sent to my site, that will then send it on to other syndicat=E9s and so =
forth.

That way it will not matter which site you post an article or a comment =
to
they will all be synchronized.

Imagine if all Zope sites could do that. That would be very powerfull =
for
special interrest groups where each local group or individual could =
have
their own site, and they could automatically publish the content of =
their
own or other like minded persons/groups and vice versa.

regards Max M


From cnd@ecn.purdue.edu  Mon May 21 14:14:17 2001
From: cnd@ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher N. Deckard)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:14:17 -0500
Subject: [Zope] why can zope not handle large files
References: <Pine.BSO.4.30.0105181817490.4138-100000@ida.bway.net>
Message-ID: <3B0914A9.4020208@ecn.purdue.edu>

How do I make "one transaction" become "many transactions"?

The file is uploaded when creating a new "File" object.

-Chris

Eric Balasbas wrote:

> Sounds like the problem is with inserting many rows into the database in
> one transaction. Breaking up the inserts into many transactions should
> help.
> How exactly do you put the csv file into Zope?
> 
> Eric Balasbas
> Senior Developer
> eric@virtosi.com
> 
> http://www.virtosi.com/
> Virtosi Ltd.
> Design -- Branding -- Zope
> 
> On Fri, 18 May 2001, Christopher N. Deckard wrote:
> 
> 
>>For a project we are working on we have export of an MS Access
>>database as csv (comma seperated) files.  The csv file is about 37MB
>>with rows of 18 numbers sepearted by commas.  The file has been
>>uploaded into Zope and then we are trying to insert each row into a
>>PostgreSQL database using either the PoPy or PsycoPG database
>>adapter.  Basically Zope never comes back from trying to do this.
>>We have also tested against Oracle with the same results.  It's been
>>run on an Athlon 600 and a Sun E450.  Zope just starts to take up
>>more and more memory eventually filling up swap and never completing
>>the transaction.  If we split the 37MB file up into small 3-4MB
>>chunks, everything works fine.  But it just can't handle the larger
>>file.  To me, 37MB doesn't seem like much.  If it were .5GB, I could
>>understand Zope having problems.  How can I get this to work?
>>
>>I am not on the zope list (though I'll probably subscribe here in a
>>moment) so please CC me on a reply.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>-Chris
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>>http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>>**   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>>(Related lists -
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>>
>>
> 


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From srobinson@fredericksburg.com  Mon May 21 14:20:09 2001
From: srobinson@fredericksburg.com (Sherwood Robinson)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:20:09 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Apache ProxyPass and VirtualHostMonster
In-Reply-To: <20010519205754.6232B1E001@helena.seeto.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105190830380.10932-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010521085941.00b8c3c8@mail.fredericksburg.com>

Well I didn't see an answer for this so I will try and help.
First in your root folder place a VirtualHostMonster Object.  You can call 
it whatever you like
Now to the Proxy Passing!

At 04:58 PM 5/19/2001 -0400, luke tymowski wrote:
>Hello Timothy,
>
>I'm trying to get virtual hosting going with a VirtualHostMonster. I use
>Apache and ProxyPass like this for the root of my site (with a SiteRoot):
>
><VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
>         ServerName foo.org
>         ProxyPass / http://localhost:8080/
>         ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8080/
>         ProxyPass /misc_ http://localhost:8080/misc_
>         ProxyPass /p_ http://localhost:8080/p_
></VirtualHost>
>
>I don't use VirtualHostMonster but instead ProxyPass and SiteRoot.
>
>I don't use the root folder of my Zope installation for anything. All 
>other sites branch off the main.
>
>So:
>root -> site1
>root -> site2
>root -> site3
>
>site1 answers to foo.org
>site2 answers to site2.foo.org
>site3 answers to site3.foo.org
>
>SiteRoot for site1 is configured as follows:
>Base: http://foo.org
>Path: /
>
>SiteRoot for site 2 is configured as follows:
>Base: http://site2.foo.org
>Path: /
>
>SiteRoot for site 3 is configured as follows:
>Base: http://site3.foo.org
>Path: /

Get rid of the above SiteRoots.  They will mess up the VHM 

(VirtualHostMonster) and how it was designed to work


>Apache is configured as follows:
>
><VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
>ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
>ServerName foo.org
>ServerAlias www.foo.org foo.org
>ProxyPass / http://mazope:8080/site1
>ProxyPassReverse / http://mazope:8080/site1/
>ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/site1/misc_
>ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/site1/p_
></VirtualHost>

Change to target this in your second setting of each proxypass modifying 
the folders to target properly excluding your misc_ and p_ folders
http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/www.foo.com:8080/foo/VirtualHostRoot

<VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
ServerName foo.org
ServerAlias www.foo.org foo.org
ProxyPass / 
http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/www.foo.com:8080/site1/VirtualHostRoot
ProxyPassReverse / 
http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/www.foo.com:8080/site1/VirtualHostRoot
ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/misc_
ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/p_
</VirtualHost>



><VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
>ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
>ServerName site2.foo.org
>ProxyPass / http://mazope:8080/site2/
>ProxyPassReverse / http://mazope:8080/site2/
>ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/site2/misc_
>ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/site2/p_
></VirtualHost>

<VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
ServerName site2.foo.org
ProxyPass / 
http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/site2.foo.com:8080/site2/VirtualHostRoot

ProxyPassReverse / 
http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/site2.foo.com:8080/site2/VirtualHostRoot
ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/misc_
ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/p_
</VirtualHost>


><VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
>ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
>ServerName site3.foo.org
>ProxyPass / http://mazope:8080/site3/
>ProxyPassReverse / http://mazope:8080/site3/
>ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/site3/misc_
>ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/site3/p_
></VirtualHost>


<VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
ServerName site3.foo.org
ProxyPass 
/http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/site3.foo.com:8080/site3/VirtualHostRoot
ProxyPassReverse / 
http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/site3.foo.com:8080/site3/VirtualHostRoot
ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/misc_
ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/p_
</VirtualHost>


>Luke
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>**   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>(Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


It can be complicated.  I had trouble when I first Tried to setup a 
ProxyPass and VHM but once it click you will not have any trouble doing 
it.  I hope this helps you out.

SR


----------------------------------------------------
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Hostmaster
The Free Lance-Star/Internet Department

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http://www.fredericksburg.com

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540-374-5000 ext. 5657




From luke@seeto.com  Mon May 21 14:31:42 2001
From: luke@seeto.com (luke tymowski)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:31:42 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Apache ProxyPass and VirtualHostMonster
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010521085941.00b8c3c8@mail.fredericksburg.com>
Message-ID: <20010521133227.4BABE1E001@helena.seeto.com>

Hello Sherwood,

> Well I didn't see an answer for this so I will try and help.

Actually Timothy Wilson asked how to do it using ProxyPass and VHM.

I use SiteRoots not VHM and explained how to do it using SiteRoots 
instead. But my reply got a bit munged so it wasn't easy to tell that I 
was actually responding not asking. :)

But no one else answered his question afaik so this should help them.

thanks,

Luke

> First in your root folder place a VirtualHostMonster Object.  You can 
> call it whatever you like
> Now to the Proxy Passing!
>
> Change to target this in your second setting of each proxypass 
> modifying the folders to target properly excluding your misc_ and p_ 
> folders
> http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/www.foo.com:8080/foo/VirtualHostRoot
>
> <VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
> ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
> ServerName foo.org
> ServerAlias www.foo.org foo.org
> ProxyPass / 
> http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/www.foo.com:8080/site1/VirtualHostRoot
> ProxyPassReverse / 
> http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/www.foo.com:8080/site1/VirtualHostRoot
> ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/misc_
> ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/p_
> </VirtualHost>
>
> <VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
> ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
> ServerName site2.foo.org
> ProxyPass / 
> http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/site2.foo.com:8080/site2/VirtualHostRoot
>
> ProxyPassReverse / 
> http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/site2.foo.com:8080/site2/VirtualHostRoot
> ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/misc_
> ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/p_
> </VirtualHost>
>
> <VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
> ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
> ServerName site3.foo.org
> ProxyPass 
> /http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/site3.foo.com:8080/site3/VirtualHostRoot
> ProxyPassReverse / 
> http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/site3.foo.com:8080/site3/VirtualHostRoot
> ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/misc_
> ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/p_
> </VirtualHost>
>
> It can be complicated.  I had trouble when I first Tried to setup a 
> ProxyPass and VHM but once it click you will not have any trouble doing 
> it.  I hope this helps you out.
>
> SR


From mj@digicool.com  Mon May 21 14:45:07 2001
From: mj@digicool.com (Martijn Pieters)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:45:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope on Windows2000
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010519134753.00b875a0@pop.xs4all.nl>; from antwan@dexus.nl on Sat, May 19, 2001 at 02:01:49PM +0200
References: <4.2.0.58.20010519134753.00b875a0@pop.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <20010521154507.B6284@zopatista.com>

On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 02:01:49PM +0200, Antwan Reijnen wrote:
> how does Zope work on Windows2000? Due to sudden "political and 
> strategical" reasons, the operating system of choise for a large worldwide 
> community site will be windows2000... (Microsoft visited some high 
> governement official lately...)

*Sigh* An official that doesn't even know how to use a bloody mouse. Or
are you talking about a more recent visit?

> However, an existing website already exists, and is build in Zope... Now we 
> have to choose for reimplementing the entire site using all Microsoft 
> technology, or installing Zope on a Windows2000 server.
> 
> Of course, I don't want Zope to blame, when the server goes down because of 
> windows or has some windows-related securityholes in it... What is your 
> experience with Zope on Windows2000?
> 
> Some background: the site I am talking about is likely to be hacked by 
> war-criminals... It is going to be the worldwide website for Sercurity, 
> Peace and Justice (seated in and hosted by "Den Hague, Legal Capital") Some 
> events in the past, where war-criminals hacked sites which contained the 
> "wrong" publicity material makes me believe that... Furthermore, the site 
> will be very large in terms of all kind of content, delivered by many 
> participants. It is believed, and the intention that the site will serve 
> many visitors from all around the world...

What the hell is such a site doing on Win2K??? This should be on OpenBSD
from the word get-go.

> So: what should I do? Rely on all-microsoft technology, run Zope on 
> Windows2000, or forget about Zope in the first place for such a tricky 
> project ?

I have no direct experience of running Zope on Win2K, but it runs just
fine on that platform. If you have no choice about the OS, but can coose
for Zope still, I see no reason why you should switch.

-- 
Martijn Pieters
| Software Engineer  mailto:mj@digicool.com
| Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com/
| Creators of Zope   http://www.zope.org/
---------------------------------------------


From mj@digicool.com  Mon May 21 14:47:26 2001
From: mj@digicool.com (Martijn Pieters)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:47:26 +0200
Subject: A reply to myself (Re: [Zope] SPAM! (was Zope Survey))
In-Reply-To: <007501c0dfce$8f829290$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>; from andym@ActiveState.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:12:59PM -0700
References: <64500000.990209567@localhost.localdomain> <007501c0dfce$8f829290$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <20010521154726.C6284@zopatista.com>

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:12:59PM -0700, Andy McKay wrote:
> >  o unique key per survey-
> >    ballot-box stuffing issue.
> 
> Well at the end of the survey it said and please forward this email to
> anyone else... so I did, to quite a lot of people...

No worries, the app keeps track of that.

-- 
Martijn Pieters
| Software Engineer  mailto:mj@digicool.com
| Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com/
| Creators of Zope   http://www.zope.org/
---------------------------------------------


From odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr  Mon May 21 14:48:21 2001
From: odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr (Olivier Deckmyn)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:48:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Apache ProxyPass and VirtualHostMonster
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105190830380.10932-100000@isis.visi.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010521085941.00b8c3c8@mail.fredericksburg.com>
Message-ID: <028401c0e1fc$b2e5b2a0$0d00000a@ODECKMYN2K>

Does any one know how to use VHM with such a httpd.conf :

<VirtualHost www.toto.com>
    ServerAdmin webmaster@toto.com
    ServerName www.toto.com
    DocumentRoot /web/htdocs/www.toto.com

    ErrorLog logs/error.Apache
    CustomLog logs/access.www.toto.com combined

    # Cf. Zope/Apache HOW-TO
    RewriteEngine on
    RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/static/
    RewriteCond %{HTTP:Authorization}  ^(.*)
    RewriteRule ^(.*) http://www.toto.com:9080/www_toto_com/$1 [P]
</VirtualHost>


It does not work (does nothing) when I do not use a SiteRoot object avec
cette config !


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherwood Robinson" <srobinson@fredericksburg.com>
To: "luke tymowski" <luke@seeto.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Apache ProxyPass and VirtualHostMonster


> Well I didn't see an answer for this so I will try and help.
> First in your root folder place a VirtualHostMonster Object.  You can call
> it whatever you like
> Now to the Proxy Passing!
>
> At 04:58 PM 5/19/2001 -0400, luke tymowski wrote:
> >Hello Timothy,
> >
> >I'm trying to get virtual hosting going with a VirtualHostMonster. I use
> >Apache and ProxyPass like this for the root of my site (with a SiteRoot):
> >
> ><VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
> >         ServerName foo.org
> >         ProxyPass / http://localhost:8080/
> >         ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8080/
> >         ProxyPass /misc_ http://localhost:8080/misc_
> >         ProxyPass /p_ http://localhost:8080/p_
> ></VirtualHost>
> >
> >I don't use VirtualHostMonster but instead ProxyPass and SiteRoot.
> >
> >I don't use the root folder of my Zope installation for anything. All
> >other sites branch off the main.
> >
> >So:
> >root -> site1
> >root -> site2
> >root -> site3
> >
> >site1 answers to foo.org
> >site2 answers to site2.foo.org
> >site3 answers to site3.foo.org
> >
> >SiteRoot for site1 is configured as follows:
> >Base: http://foo.org
> >Path: /
> >
> >SiteRoot for site 2 is configured as follows:
> >Base: http://site2.foo.org
> >Path: /
> >
> >SiteRoot for site 3 is configured as follows:
> >Base: http://site3.foo.org
> >Path: /
>
> Get rid of the above SiteRoots.  They will mess up the VHM
>
> (VirtualHostMonster) and how it was designed to work
>
>
> >Apache is configured as follows:
> >
> ><VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
> >ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
> >ServerName foo.org
> >ServerAlias www.foo.org foo.org
> >ProxyPass / http://mazope:8080/site1
> >ProxyPassReverse / http://mazope:8080/site1/
> >ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/site1/misc_
> >ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/site1/p_
> ></VirtualHost>
>
> Change to target this in your second setting of each proxypass modifying
> the folders to target properly excluding your misc_ and p_ folders
>
http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/www.foo.com:8080/foo/VirtualHostRoot
>
> <VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
> ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
> ServerName foo.org
> ServerAlias www.foo.org foo.org
> ProxyPass /
>
http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/www.foo.com:8080/site1/VirtualHostRo
ot
> ProxyPassReverse /
>
http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/www.foo.com:8080/site1/VirtualHostRo
ot
> ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/misc_
> ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/p_
> </VirtualHost>
>
>
>
> ><VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
> >ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
> >ServerName site2.foo.org
> >ProxyPass / http://mazope:8080/site2/
> >ProxyPassReverse / http://mazope:8080/site2/
> >ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/site2/misc_
> >ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/site2/p_
> ></VirtualHost>
>
> <VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
> ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
> ServerName site2.foo.org
> ProxyPass /
>
http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/site2.foo.com:8080/site2/VirtualHost
Root
>
> ProxyPassReverse /
>
http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/site2.foo.com:8080/site2/VirtualHost
Root
> ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/misc_
> ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/p_
> </VirtualHost>
>
>
> ><VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
> >ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
> >ServerName site3.foo.org
> >ProxyPass / http://mazope:8080/site3/
> >ProxyPassReverse / http://mazope:8080/site3/
> >ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/site3/misc_
> >ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/site3/p_
> ></VirtualHost>
>
>
> <VirtualHost 111.222.333.444>
> ServerAdmin webmaster@foo.org
> ServerName site3.foo.org
> ProxyPass
>
/http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/site3.foo.com:8080/site3/VirtualHos
tRoot
> ProxyPassReverse /
>
http://mazope:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/site3.foo.com:8080/site3/VirtualHost
Root
> ProxyPass /misc_ http://mazope:8080/misc_
> ProxyPass /p_ http://mazope:8080/p_
> </VirtualHost>
>
>
> >Luke
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> >http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> >**   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> >(Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>
>
> It can be complicated.  I had trouble when I first Tried to setup a
> ProxyPass and VHM but once it click you will not have any trouble doing
> it.  I hope this helps you out.
>
> SR
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Sherwood Robinson
> Hostmaster
> The Free Lance-Star/Internet Department
>
> srobinson@fredericksburg.com
> http://www.fredericksburg.com
>
> 616 Amelia St.
> Fredericksburg, VA 22401
> 540-374-5000 ext. 5657
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From nico@beehive.de  Mon May 21 15:53:09 2001
From: nico@beehive.de (Nico Grubert)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:53:09 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Re: Setting a Cookie
References: <E1519AY-0003hB-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3B092BD5.2A4BF2A9@beehive.de>

i realized you missed the attribute axpires=' .... ' !?

this works fine for me:

<dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('language', 'english', expires='Wed, 28
Feb 2009 19:00:00 GMT')"> 


cheers,
nico

----------------------------------------------------------------
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beehive elektronische medien GmbH         http://www.beehive.de
phone: +49 30 847-82 0                    fax: +49 30 847-82 299

> Now I remember this problem when I worked with ASP. It turns out that
> you had to set an expire date also (although they said that if you
> didn't, the cookie expires when you close the browser and nothing gets
> written to the client machine.) That would be good - IF ONLY I COULD
> ACCESS THE INFORMATION I SET.
>
> Sorry 'bout that. But it's fustrating to see this problem come up again
> with another language.
>
> So I set an expire date. But, get this, now it fails when the page is
> loaded. The error message says that the method expected three
> parameters, but received four. Do you see four parameters here?
>
> <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setCookie('CookieMonster', '458468', 'Sunday 20-05-
> 2001 12:00:00 GMT')">
>
> I initially had a comma between Wdy, Date - because that is the
> DOCUMENTED syntax, but this seems incorrect also.
>
> Here's the error message:
>
> Error Type: TypeError
> Error Value: too many arguments; expected 3, got 4
>
> Any suggestions? Proven code would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tommy


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Mon May 21 14:54:20 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:54:20 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Apache ProxyPass and VirtualHostMonster
In-Reply-To: <028401c0e1fc$b2e5b2a0$0d00000a@ODECKMYN2K>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105211752550.22089-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Mon, 21 May 2001, Olivier Deckmyn wrote:
>     RewriteRule ^(.*) http://www.toto.com:9080/www_toto_com/$1 [P]

   You must pass osme information to it! Here is how I do it on
zope.net.ru:

RewriteRule ^/(.*) /cgi-bin/Zope.cgi/VirtualHostBase/http/zope.net.ru/zope.net.ru/VirtualHostRoot/$1 [e=3DHTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%1,t=3Dapplication/x-httpd-cgi,PT,NS,L]

   Read docs on VHM!

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com  Mon May 21 14:58:17 2001
From: jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlos_Coru=F1a?=)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:58:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Problems with xml-rpc
Message-ID: <PKEFLGEBLGPCKNPIENBJAEKKCKAA.jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com>

Hi all,

The last problem I was having with xmlrpc and Zope was "Growing Refcounts=
"
(you can review it in this mailing list). I resolved the problem applying
the patch to xmlrpclib.py referenced in
http://www.pythonware.com/products/xmlrpc/bug-xmlrpc1.htm. =BFWhy, you, p=
eople
of DC do not apply this patch?

But now there seems to appear another problem related to xml-rpc.
I'm using a python xmlrpc client to talk to a Zope server.

The problem appears if I pass a string argument containing the symbol "&".
Example
> s =3D xmlrpclib.Server('http://localhost/RPC')
> s.anymethod('string & parameter')


The zope server responds:

xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -2: 'Unexpected Zope error value:  <unknown>:1:0:
not well-formed\012\012\012'>

I am using Zope-2.3.2.



From bz@bwanazulia.com  Mon May 21 17:10:50 2001
From: bz@bwanazulia.com (BZ)
Date: 21 May 2001 16:10:50 -0000
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
In-Reply-To: <>
References: <>
Message-ID: <20010521161050.8786.qmail@server1.mahnke.net>

First of all... documentation was not on the poll... :) 

Ok. Now for the real question. What would I pay for a authoring tool?

Well, assuming it had the following:

- No OS Dependancy (runs on anything from Windows 95 -> OS X)
- Small application size
- A good set of features (Color coding)

As an individual I would pay up to $75. 

BZ




On Mon, 21 May 2001 07:22:33 -0400, Paul Everitt <paul@digicool.com> wrote :

> 
> Howdy folks.  AndyM is running a poll over at ZopeZen:
> 
>   http://www.zopezen.org/
>   (Look at the bottom of the left margin)
> 
> < spoiler warning>
> 
> Before reading the rest of this message, please vote.  I 
> don't want to bias your response.  And don't peek at the 
> results before you vote!
> 
> </spoiler warning>
> 
> OK, on to the discussion.  Are those numbers *really* accurate?  I gotta
> admit, though I've had a soft spot in my heart for the Zope Studio
> thing, I'm stunned that it would be in front.  Much less so *far* in
> front.  Are these results an accurate reading of the sentiments -- that
> given the list of choices Andy presented, a Zope Studio is so much more
> popular than those choices!?!
> 
> Wow.  Let's try a different tack.  Pretend there was a for-free Zope
> Studio and a for-fee Zope Studio.  Let's say the difference was either
> like ActiveState's difference (personal use vs. professional use), or
> say the difference was in "Professional" capabilities.
> 
> Does anyone think there would be any moderate-sized market for a for-fee
> version?  How many of you would pay a few hundred bucks for a
> high-quality dev/authoring/admin environment for Zope?
> 
> --Paul
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 
> 
> 


From mail@peterbe.com  Mon May 21 14:45:13 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:45:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
References: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <023a01c0e1ff$07ed34b0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

People with ZopeZen, what is "Storage abstraction layer"?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Everitt" <paul@digicool.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:22 PM
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers


> 
> Howdy folks.  AndyM is running a poll over at ZopeZen:
> 
>   http://www.zopezen.org/
>   (Look at the bottom of the left margin)
> 
> < spoiler warning>
> 
> Before reading the rest of this message, please vote.  I 
> don't want to bias your response.  And don't peek at the 
> results before you vote!
> 
> </spoiler warning>
> 
> OK, on to the discussion.  Are those numbers *really* accurate?  I gotta
> admit, though I've had a soft spot in my heart for the Zope Studio
> thing, I'm stunned that it would be in front.  Much less so *far* in
> front.  Are these results an accurate reading of the sentiments -- that
> given the list of choices Andy presented, a Zope Studio is so much more
> popular than those choices!?!
> 
> Wow.  Let's try a different tack.  Pretend there was a for-free Zope
> Studio and a for-fee Zope Studio.  Let's say the difference was either
> like ActiveState's difference (personal use vs. professional use), or
> say the difference was in "Professional" capabilities.
> 
> Does anyone think there would be any moderate-sized market for a for-fee
> version?  How many of you would pay a few hundred bucks for a
> high-quality dev/authoring/admin environment for Zope?
> 
> --Paul
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From tane@zzict.nl  Mon May 21 15:06:47 2001
From: tane@zzict.nl (Tane Piper)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:06:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
References: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CD4@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>
Message-ID: <015901c0e1ff$6086c910$0500a8c0@tane>

Subject: RE: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers


<snip>

> Conclusion:
> 1) Gotta be Free software.

I completely agree!  One of the main reasons we picked Zope was the price,
and I don't see the need for an overpriced IDE.  Zend did this with PHP, and
its one of the things that annoyed me.  PHPEd, a freeware alternative was
MUCH better anyway.  The only problem was it is closed source :(

> 2) Should run on every platform that zope does.

Well Du'h :)  Though I would suspect that most people work under a Win32
environment.

> 3) Should offer HTTP, HTTPS (not optional in my environment), XML-RPC
> (optional) and ZEO (for speed) access to the server.  Even cooler, run a
ZEO
> connection over ssh.

I would tend to agree with this.  When I am working at home, I don't want
client's data flying about on an unsecured connection.  I would also like to
see FTP support, to I can upload my DTML pages to the server as well.

I tend to agree with community built tools.  They tend to take longer to
appear, but they usually have all the features I want!  And of course, the
zope community is pretty organised (compared to most others!).  I would
definitely like to participate in any community effort.

Tane Piper - Lead Designer
ZZICT Entertainment
http://www.legiongame.nl



From paz@oratrix.com  Mon May 21 15:10:04 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:10:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Postgres adapters
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAKENLCEAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Hi all,

Can anyone comment on past experiences with various postgres adapters? I am
using the latest PoPy (201) and have just recently noticed psychopg. Is it
better, faster, more reliable or any of the above?

Paz



From luke@seeto.com  Mon May 21 15:07:37 2001
From: luke@seeto.com (luke tymowski)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:07:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope on Windows2000
In-Reply-To: <20010521154507.B6284@zopatista.com>
Message-ID: <20010521140822.73DFA1E001@helena.seeto.com>

Hello,

> What the hell is such a site doing on Win2K??? This should be on OpenBSD
> from the word get-go.

Actually, you can still run Zope on W2K but put it behind an OpenBSD box.
This would protect you against most attacks, and, assuming no one comes 
up with a Zope crack that gives them access to the filesystem, it should 
be quite safe.

I've done this myself and it is quite straightforward. Zope runs v 
nicely on W2K but I prefer running it behind an OpenBSD box.

Luke


From magnus/Websys@websys.no  Mon May 21 15:13:40 2001
From: magnus/Websys@websys.no (magnus/Websys@websys.no)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:13:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
In-Reply-To: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D12@exchange>
Message-ID: <H000006800013f28.0990454381.sjef.websys.no@MHS>

> What I want is that if I write an article on my site, my site will call
> other sites that has me in a "syndication list", and then they will somehow
> decide whether they want to publish my article. If they do want to publish
> it my site will be notified.

.. and let's call it Usenet!

-Magnus



From maxm@normik.dk  Mon May 21 15:18:47 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:18:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D15@exchange>

> From: magnus/Websys@websys.no [mailto:magnus/Websys@websys.no]

> .. and let's call it Usenet!

Theres nothing wrong with reinventing the wheel. Car manufacters does it all
the time.

Oh and we probably should call it uZenet :-)

Max M


From brian@digicool.com  Mon May 21 15:28:54 2001
From: brian@digicool.com (Brian Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:28:54 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010519130251.00b1af00@pop.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIIEINCBAA.brian@digicool.com>

> Ok, so what do you propose Brian? You have a point by stating
> that you want
> the Zope-permissionsystem to be action-based in stead of protocol based.
> But then: listing a site's content via the DAV-protocol does not work the
> same as via normal http-based protocol: when index_html is present, the
> site's content (and sub-directory-structure) is effectively masked via
> normal http-access (I think).
>
> So when a certain permission (like Acces Contents Information)
> effectively
> behaves different under different access-protocols, this action-based
> permission policy seems to me to be inadequate...

I agree that it is inadequate; what I am proposing is not an
ultimate solution for that, it is a short term fix to solve
some people's immediate problem (exposing site structure via
DAV PROPFIND).


Brian Lloyd        brian@digicool.com
Software Engineer  540.371.6909
Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com





From ebalasba@bway.net  Mon May 21 15:26:12 2001
From: ebalasba@bway.net (Eric Balasbas)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:26:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Calculating how long time a user spends on a page
In-Reply-To: <01052110553509.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.30.0105211022070.30177-100000@ida.bway.net>

The CoreSession product can be found at
http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/Products/CoreSessionTracking

You will want to look at
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/CoreSessionTracking/FrontPage
to figure out how this all works. Check out the UML diagram under the
architecture link.

Eric Balasbas
Senior Developer
eric@virtosi.com

http://www.virtosi.com/
Virtosi Ltd.
Design -- Branding -- Zope


On Mon, 21 May 2001, Gitte Wange wrote:

> On Monday 21 May 2001 10:34, Frank Tegtmeyer wrote:
> > Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> writes:
> > > So that is a specialized application (sort to speak).
> > > Is this ehat you were thinking about ???
> >
> > If it's the standard plug-in, then not. What I meant is an application
> > that does report the use of the video stream back to the streaming
> > server. This report must be bound to something that identifies the
> > user. The standard Realplayer does not do something like that, I
> > think. If it does, fine - but then it's not a Zope problem :)
> >
> > For tracking users have a look at the CoreSession product. You may
> > build a custom authorization solution with it.
>
> I just tried to do a search on it on zope.org but didn't get any results. Do
> you have an URL ?
>
> Gitte
>
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From fog@mixadlive.com  Mon May 21 15:27:31 2001
From: fog@mixadlive.com (Federico Di Gregorio)
Date: 21 May 2001 16:27:31 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Postgres adapters
Message-ID: <990455252.1585.19.camel@lola>

> Can anyone comment on past experiences with various postgres adapters? I am
> using the latest PoPy (201) and have just recently noticed psychopg. Is it
> better, faster, more reliable or any of the above?

obviously yes. but look at my email address and at psycopg hosting site 
before giving too much weight to my words... :)

more seriously, psycopg is actively developed (i.e., we usually fix bugs
in 2-3 days and release a new version about 24h afterwards) and we are
really commited to DB-API compliance. what can i say apart from give
psyco a try? http://initd.org/Software/psycopg/

ciao,
federico

-- 
Federico Di Gregorio
MIXAD LIVE Chief of Research & Technology              fog@mixadlive.com
Debian GNU/Linux Developer & Italian Press Contact        fog@debian.org
             A short story: I want you. I love you. I'll miss you. -- Me



From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May 21 15:29:13 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:29:13 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Setting user when debugging
References: <3B0911B7.2D013172@stsci.edu>
Message-ID: <3B092639.804473E9@digicool.com>

Here's an example of changing to a new user within the debugger
(untested):


import Zope
app = Zope.app()
from AccessControl.SecurityManagement import newSecurityManager
from AccessControl.SecurityManagement import noSecurityManager
dave = app.acl_users.getUser('dave')
newSecurityManager(None, dave) # switch to dave user
... do stuff ..
noSecurityManager() # back to anon


Bernie Simon wrote:
> 
> When I ran Zope under the Python debugger, I was logged in as 'Anonymous
> User'. What python command should I run to change to another user?
> 
> --
> Bernie Simon                    Solving yesterday's problems tomorrow
> 
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From mail@peterbe.com  Mon May 21 15:22:56 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:22:56 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope on Windows2000
References: <4.2.0.58.20010519134753.00b875a0@pop.xs4all.nl> <20010521154507.B6284@zopatista.com>
Message-ID: <024a01c0e203$3dd125b0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

> I have no direct experience of running Zope on Win2K, but it runs just
> fine on that platform. If you have no choice about the OS, but can coose
> for Zope still, I see no reason why you should switch.

I have experience of running Zope on most windows platforms and I must say
that I am so far most impressed by w2k.
The 9x/ME shouldn't even be mentioned. But the speed of w2k vs. NT4 is worth
noting. Alone on this?

I have though had some problems once with the services on w2k. I restart or
shut down Zope from the ZMI Control Panel and it refuses to restart. So I
click the Services thing in the Windows Control Panel. It looks like it
tries to start it after a click on the "play button".
It then complains about that the services is aldready running and the
Services looks in windows like it isn't started. This however starts Zope
but looks funny in the Windows Control Panel.
Later they restarted the machine and I quit the company. Don't know if the
problem remains.

Cheers Peter

> --
> Martijn Pieters
> | Software Engineer  mailto:mj@digicool.com
> | Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com/
> | Creators of Zope   http://www.zope.org/
> ---------------------------------------------
>
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 21 15:40:17 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:40:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
References: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CD4@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>
Message-ID: <3B0928D1.A021F84E@nipltd.com>

"Farrell, Troy" wrote:
> 
> 3) Should offer HTTP, HTTPS (not optional in my environment), XML-RPC
> (optional) and ZEO (for speed) access to the server.  Even cooler, run a ZEO
> connection over ssh.

That was my and Andy's plan ;-)

cheers,

Chris


From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May 21 15:40:29 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:40:29 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Problems with xml-rpc
References: <PKEFLGEBLGPCKNPIENBJAEKKCKAA.jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com>
Message-ID: <3B0928DD.38441B1B@digicool.com>

Hi Juan,

Thanks for the heads up on the xml-rpc mem leak bug and fix.  I imagine
this was never put into Zope because it never made it into a Secretlabs
stable release of xmlrpclib (0.9.8 doesn't have it, and 0.9.9 is marked
as development).

I'm not certain of the other bug, but it may be worthwhile to ask
secretlabs as well as waiting for answers on this list.

- C


Juan Carlos Coruña wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The last problem I was having with xmlrpc and Zope was "Growing Refcounts"
> (you can review it in this mailing list). I resolved the problem applying
> the patch to xmlrpclib.py referenced in
> http://www.pythonware.com/products/xmlrpc/bug-xmlrpc1.htm. ¿Why, you, people
> of DC do not apply this patch?
> 
> But now there seems to appear another problem related to xml-rpc.
> I'm using a python xmlrpc client to talk to a Zope server.
> 
> The problem appears if I pass a string argument containing the symbol "&".
> Example
> > s = xmlrpclib.Server('http://localhost/RPC')
> > s.anymethod('string & parameter')
> 
> The zope server responds:
> 
> xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -2: 'Unexpected Zope error value:  <unknown>:1:0:
> not well-formed\012\012\012'>
> 
> I am using Zope-2.3.2.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From mj@digicool.com  Mon May 21 15:41:17 2001
From: mj@digicool.com (Martijn Pieters)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:41:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope on Windows2000
In-Reply-To: <024a01c0e203$3dd125b0$1c64a8c0@PBN>; from mail@peterbe.com on Mon, May 21, 2001 at 04:22:56PM +0200
References: <4.2.0.58.20010519134753.00b875a0@pop.xs4all.nl> <20010521154507.B6284@zopatista.com> <024a01c0e203$3dd125b0$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <20010521164117.A5073@zopatista.com>

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 04:22:56PM +0200, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> I have though had some problems once with the services on w2k. I restart or
> shut down Zope from the ZMI Control Panel and it refuses to restart. So I
> click the Services thing in the Windows Control Panel. It looks like it
> tries to start it after a click on the "play button".
> It then complains about that the services is aldready running and the
> Services looks in windows like it isn't started. This however starts Zope
> but looks funny in the Windows Control Panel.
> Later they restarted the machine and I quit the company. Don't know if the
> problem remains.

Could you report this to the collector? You'll find it at:

  http://classic.zope.org:8080/Collector/

Thanks!

-- 
Martijn Pieters
| Software Engineer  mailto:mj@digicool.com
| Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com/
| Creators of Zope   http://www.zope.org/
---------------------------------------------


From ebalasba@bway.net  Mon May 21 15:52:50 2001
From: ebalasba@bway.net (Eric Balasbas)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:52:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Problems with xml-rpc
In-Reply-To: <PKEFLGEBLGPCKNPIENBJAEKKCKAA.jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.30.0105211051540.30177-100000@ida.bway.net>

From=20the xml-rpc spec at http://www.xml-rpc.com/spec


 Any characters are allowed in a string except < and &, which are encoded
as &lt; and &amp;. A string can be used to encode binary data.


Eric Balasbas
Senior Developer
eric@virtosi.com

http://www.virtosi.com/
Virtosi Ltd.
Design -- Branding -- Zope


On Mon, 21 May 2001, [iso-8859-1] Juan Carlos Coru=F1a wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The last problem I was having with xmlrpc and Zope was "Growing Refcounts=
"
> (you can review it in this mailing list). I resolved the problem applying
> the patch to xmlrpclib.py referenced in
> http://www.pythonware.com/products/xmlrpc/bug-xmlrpc1.htm. =BFWhy, you, p=
eople
> of DC do not apply this patch?
>
> But now there seems to appear another problem related to xml-rpc.
> I'm using a python xmlrpc client to talk to a Zope server.
>
> The problem appears if I pass a string argument containing the symbol "&"=
=2E
> Example
> > s =3D xmlrpclib.Server('http://localhost/RPC')
> > s.anymethod('string & parameter')
>
>
> The zope server responds:
>
> xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -2: 'Unexpected Zope error value:  <unknown>:1:0:
> not well-formed\012\012\012'>
>
> I am using Zope-2.3.2.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From tseaver@digicool.com  Mon May 21 14:06:27 2001
From: tseaver@digicool.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:06:27 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Creating a learning environment with CMF
Message-ID: <3B0912D3.1070202@digicool.com>

Hamish Lawson <hamish_lawson@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm looking at creating a learning environment system for use within
> our institution using the Content Management Framework. The tutor for a
> given course unit would have a space in which they could provide notes
> and other resources - discussion forums, quizzes, etc. The tutor should
> also be to decide who gets to use the resources for their particular
> unit (although they won't be responsible for creating users in the
> first place, such details likely coming from an LDAP directory). I will
> probably want to be able to make custom CMF-aware tools available to
> all builders of course units. My question is whether each course unit
> should be a separate CMF Portal instance, or whether there should be
> one Portal instance and some folderish product being used for the
> course units?


I would take the second tack.  Please CC the zope-cmf list with any replies,
as the community of folks who share your interests is more focused there.

Tres.
--
==============================================================================
Tres Seaver                                              tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations        "Zope Dealers"                   http://www.zope.org

-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From simon@nipltd.com  Mon May 21 16:16:50 2001
From: simon@nipltd.com (Simon Coles)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:16:50 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
In-Reply-To: <20010521120719.281CB1E001@helena.seeto.com>
References: <20010521120719.281CB1E001@helena.seeto.com>
Message-ID: <929116.990461810@[10.10.2.10]>

I would third that - for me MacOS X is turning out to be the dream mix of a 
mainstream end-user OS (the Mac) and a decent Unix. One one machine I can 
have decent editor, mail reader etc., as well as all the server stuff from 
my Linux machine. Lovely.

Simon

--On Monday, May 21, 2001 8:06 am -0400 luke tymowski <luke@seeto.com> 
wrote:

> I'll have to second that. At home I use MacOS X. If I can't run that
> then I run Linux. At work I run Windows - we're a windows programming
> shop so I don't have much choice - but W2K and XP are pretty good OSs. :)


--------- My opinions are my own, NIP's opinions are theirs ----------
Simon J. Coles                                 Email: simon@nipltd.com
New Information Paradigms                  Work Phone: +44 1344 753703
http://www.nipltd.com/                     Work Fax:   +44 1344 772510
=============== Life is too precious to take seriously ===============


From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Mon May 21 16:24:28 2001
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:24:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
In-Reply-To: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com>
References: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010521172428.A12991@vet.uu.nl>

Paul Everitt wrote:
[snip]
> Wow.  Let's try a different tack.  Pretend there was a for-free Zope
> Studio and a for-fee Zope Studio.  Let's say the difference was either
> like ActiveState's difference (personal use vs. professional use),

This sounds *bad* for the open source effect to me; the chances are you'd 
put development effort in the Zope Studio IDE at the cost of development
effort of the current web based IDE. This is bad in itself, as you'd be
locking up the open source app with a proprietary interface.

Related to that, I don't believe you could make a good Zope Studio IDE user 
interface for each third party product in some automatic fashion; the user
interface would have to be developed seperately for the IDE. Would I develop
an IDE user interface for a product (besides the web interface) if I had to 
pay to use this IDE professionally? I don't think so.

So what would happen with many third party products is one of the following:

  * no support from this IDE

  * support from the IDE but has to be added by digicool (and kept in 
    sync with developments, etc)
  
Very bad for open source development; people will likely stop using
third party products as they don't work with the IDE, and some people will
stop developing them because nobody uses them anyway.

> or say the difference was in "Professional" capabilities.

This would be somewhat better but still suffers from similar problems.
It depends on what these 'professional capabilities' would be. Stuff
that isn't in the through the web GUI? 

> Does anyone think there would be any moderate-sized market for a for-fee
> version?

Hard to say. I guess many Zope developers would jump at some kind of
IDE environment, though I'm not sure the actual added value of such an
IDE is that high compared to the current web GUI. The current web environment
has some advantages you'd actually lose. The coolness factor of an IDE
definitely exists, though.

> How many of you would pay a few hundred bucks for a
> high-quality dev/authoring/admin environment for Zope?

If it's open source, and runs on Linux, I'd contribute some development
time instead. There are in fact several such efforts underway right now.
Some of these projects were or will be abortive, but eventually the open
source ball would start rolling -- as soon as someone comes up with
something that's useful to enough people and takes on the leadership role
to push further development.

Anyway, my main message is that such a move wouldn't be without its cost
to the community.

Regards,

Martijn



From jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu  Mon May 21 15:17:54 2001
From: jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu (John Hunter)
Date: 21 May 2001 09:17:54 -0500
Subject: [Zope] verbatim code in ZWikiPage
In-Reply-To: <87heyf4nvf.fsf@joyful.com>
References: <1rzoc9glws.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>
 <1ru22g54hx.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu> <87heyf4nvf.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <1reltiu6p9.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>

>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Michael <simon@joyful.com> writes:

    Simon> that's right. I think WikiForNow solves this specific
    Simon> problem, and it's one of the changes I hope to get into
    Simon> zwiki 1.0. If you're in a hurry you might want to check
    Simon> what Ken did (and send me a patch if it's easy :).

Ok, got it.

I added a function to ZWikiPage.py that calls the wikilink
substitutions *unless* you are in a PRE environment.  Thanks to Greg
Jorgensen <greg@pdxperts.com> on c.l.python who suggested the method
used below.

Below is the diff on ZWikiPage.py from v0.8.1.  I haven't submitted a
diff before (I just ran 'diff orig new') so if there is a more
appropriate syntax, please let me know.

Form all of my tests, it works as desired.  A word of warning though,
I believe the re objects use some methods not available in earlier
releases of python.  I have only tested this on Zope-2.3.2 with
Python-2.1.


228a229,242
>     #this function replaces wikilinks unless in an html 'pre' environment
>     def _sub_wikilinks_unless_code(self, s):
>         rgx = re.compile(r'(<pre>.*?</pre>)', re.DOTALL+re.IGNORECASE)
>         chunks = rgx.split(s)
>         out = ""
>         for chunk in chunks:
>             if chunk[0:5].lower() != '<pre>':
>                 # Not in a code environment; do wikilinks
>                 chunk = re.sub(interwikilink, self._interwikilink_replace, chunk)
>                 chunk = re.sub(wikilink, self._wikilink_replace, chunk)
>             out = out + chunk
>         
>         return out
> 
241,242c255
<         t = re.sub(interwikilink, self._interwikilink_replace, t)
<         t = re.sub(wikilink, self._wikilink_replace, t)
---
>         t = self._sub_wikilinks_unless_code(t)      
252,253c265
<         t = re.sub(interwikilink, self._interwikilink_replace, t)
<         t = re.sub(wikilink, self._wikilink_replace, t)
---
>         t = self._sub_wikilinks_unless_code(t)
264,265c276
<         t = re.sub(interwikilink, self._interwikilink_replace, t)
<         t = re.sub(wikilink, self._wikilink_replace, t)
---
>         t = self._sub_wikilinks_unless_code(t)      


Happy wikiing,
John Hunter




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Mon May 21 16:29:39 2001
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:29:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
In-Reply-To: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com>
References: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010521172939.B12991@vet.uu.nl>

[Zope IDE or not]

Another comment:

A project much more interesting than a Zope IDE to me was discussed at the
Python conference: mirroring Zope objects onto the filesystem
(and a good API for developers to add such support to their own
products). This would enable things like grep, cvs, your favorite
editor, etc, and probably also a mass of desires people would like an IDE 
for would be taken care of. It could also form the basis of IDE projects later
on.

Regards,

Martijn
    


From ebalasba@bway.net  Mon May 21 16:33:25 2001
From: ebalasba@bway.net (Eric Balasbas)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:33:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Write out "
In-Reply-To: <0105211506070B.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.30.0105211130520.18144-100000@ida.bway.net>

Assuming DTML follows the same rules for strings as Python, the following
should work:

<dtml-let string="<body bgcolor=\"#000000\"">

This should also work:
<dtml-let string='<body bgcolor="#000000"'>

Eric Balasbas
Senior Developer
eric@virtosi.com

http://www.virtosi.com/
Virtosi Ltd.
Design -- Branding -- Zope


On Mon, 21 May 2001, Gitte Wange wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I need to write out the character "
> How ?
>
> I can't do this:
> <dtml-let string="'<body bgcolor="#000000"'">
>
> I have tried with:
> <dtml-let string="<body bgcolor=\"#000000\"'">
> but that doesn't work either.
>
> How do I do it ?
>
> Gitte
>
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From tom@othermedia.com  Mon May 21 16:41:51 2001
From: tom@othermedia.com (tom smith)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:41:51 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts, dir() and attributes.
Message-ID: <B72EF5CD.3478%tom@othermedia.com>

I'm trying to get the value of a ZSQL search (integer) using a
PythonScript...

l = [ ]
results = context.select_highest_id_from_answers()
for f in results:
    l.append(f)

Return l

...but my function is returning a db results instance. Like this...

 [<r instance at 0E2A5A00>]


I have two questions. Firstly, how to get the value of a results set, And
secondly is there a nice way to inspect objects using python scripts.

It'd be nice (and kinda an obvious thing to want to do) if I could see what
attributes any given object has...(or even what methods I could call on it)
from within the browser window

thanks

Tom



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From cnd@ecn.purdue.edu  Mon May 21 16:42:53 2001
From: cnd@ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher N. Deckard)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:42:53 -0500
Subject: Inserting large amounts of data (Was: Re: [Zope] Postgres adapters)
References: <990455252.1585.19.camel@lola>
Message-ID: <3B09377D.2AF2FF5F@ecn.purdue.edu>

I'm trying to take a "File" object in ZODB and iterate over the
entire thing (about 300,000 lines) and insert into a Postgres
database.  The file is about 37MB of comma sepearated numbers.  I
guess Zope treats the entire transaction as one transaction and
doesn't really ever come back from attempting to insert every row. 
Do you have an idea on how to split this up into multiple
transactions or do a commit or some sort so that Zope doesn't croke?

Thanks,
-Chris

Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone comment on past experiences with various postgres adapters? I am
> > using the latest PoPy (201) and have just recently noticed psychopg. Is it
> > better, faster, more reliable or any of the above?
> 
> obviously yes. but look at my email address and at psycopg hosting site
> before giving too much weight to my words... :)
> 
> more seriously, psycopg is actively developed (i.e., we usually fix bugs
> in 2-3 days and release a new version about 24h afterwards) and we are
> really commited to DB-API compliance. what can i say apart from give
> psyco a try? http://initd.org/Software/psycopg/
> 
> ciao,
> federico


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Mon May 21 16:46:18 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:46:18 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B328@desi2>

Agreed. This would enable me to at least treat my TTW code and my on-disk
stuff (Python products, ext. methods) roughly the same and use tools I am
already used to using for IDE use; that is not to say that I wouldn't want
an IDE, but that I am willing to wait.  Zope already has a one up in terms
of development ease over other competing popular development technologies
like Java, because there is no compilation involved to get a my python code
working (and there are no other big steps if using the 'refresh' product to
reload products).

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Martijn Faassen [mailto:faassen@vet.uu.nl]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:30 AM
To: Paul Everitt
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers


[Zope IDE or not]

Another comment:

A project much more interesting than a Zope IDE to me was discussed at the
Python conference: mirroring Zope objects onto the filesystem
(and a good API for developers to add such support to their own
products). This would enable things like grep, cvs, your favorite
editor, etc, and probably also a mass of desires people would like an IDE 
for would be taken care of. It could also form the basis of IDE projects
later
on.

Regards,

Martijn
    

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From alan@mlug.ca  Mon May 21 16:34:48 2001
From: alan@mlug.ca (alan truesdale)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:34:48 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [Support] help needed
In-Reply-To: <20010521093300.31663.qmail@mailweb20.rediffmail.com>
References: <20010521093300.31663.qmail@mailweb20.rediffmail.com>
Message-ID: <01052111454800.25606@caldera.wellconnected.ca>

Hello Nallaraja.
While localhost represents the machine you are sitting on It is possible to
have port 8080 on your machine listen to port 80 on a remote machine using ssh 

ssh -L 8080:remote.com:80 remote.com
doing this 
http://localhost:8080
and 
http://www.remote.com
will produce the same results

I use this trick to pass my Zope password encrypted directly to a machine
running  ZServer.  
I also use it to redirect a X-vnc desk top to the same machines so I can do secure user friendly administration.

I'm not sure if this is what you wanted, but hope it helps.
Alan

BTW I use openSSH in linux I have never tried this in NT its been years since I sat at a win machine, but I'm pretty sure this would work.


On Mon, 21 May 2001, you wrote:
> Sir,
> 
> I have zope running at my linux server.
> I have a NT workstation.I am accessing zope 
> from linux server as http://servername/manage.
> ok. I am having one folder raja in the zope.
> 
> Now,
> 
> I want to run the zope like this http://localhost:8080/manage 
> which is having only my folder and 
> control panel.
> 
> got it?
> 
> Regards,
> nallaraja.
> 
>  _____________________________________________________
> > Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get Rediff Bol at
> > http://bol.rediff.com
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> 
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> http://bol.rediff.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From lozinski@openstepnews.com  Mon May 21 16:55:52 2001
From: lozinski@openstepnews.com (lozinski@openstepnews.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:55:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] I am looking for a WebRing Product in Zope
Message-ID: <1010521085552.14626AAC/T.lozinski@maya>

I would like to migrate the webring I manage to a zope server.  I hope that
someone has written webring software, but I cannot find any myself.

If you know of any webring software could you be so kind as to let me know. I
will look for the answer in the mail list postings, but if you could also reply
to my direct email address that would ensure that I do not miss the answer.

lozinski@openstepnews.com


Regards
Chris

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1-510-795-6086
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From tom@othermedia.com  Mon May 21 17:14:28 2001
From: tom@othermedia.com (tom smith)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:14:28 +0100
Subject: [Zope] ZSQL and Python Script
In-Reply-To: <3AED1F43.834F30B2@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <B72EFD73.3484%tom@othermedia.com>

When I call ZSQL Methods from a python script, I don't seem to be able to
get the attribute values passed in properly. My script kinda goes like
this...

answer = context.REQUEST['answer']
Thingy = something_else

context.create_answer_sql(answer=answer, thingy=thingy)

...and the values don't turn up in the database if I use <dtmlsql-var answer
type=string> but do if I use <dtml-var answer>, but then the quote escaping
fails..

I assume this is a namespace problem, any ideas on how to fix it?

Thanks

tom



From shai@aristocart.com  Mon May 21 17:26:52 2001
From: shai@aristocart.com (Shai Berger)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:26:52 +0300
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZSQL Methods in Z Classes
References: <3B02C60B.AF15C087@aristocart.com>
Message-ID: <3B0941CC.589C7362@aristocart.com>

Hi Guys,

Last week, I wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I wanted to use ZSQL Methods in Z Classes to share code between different
> parts of a large project. The different parts need to use similar, but
> separate, database namespaces, but I still wanted to use the same methods.
> 
[...]
> 
> I tried to bypass this limitation, by defining a forwarding database adapter.
> The idea was that this adapter's connection string would point to a resource
> (property or method) which will specify the actual connection. The idea was
> that in a ZClass, I could have this be a pythonscript which will look into
> an instance property sheet, thereby allowing different instances to use
> different connections.
> 
> This seemed to work very nicely at first: After the ZClass with the forwarding
> adapter and pythonscript was installed into a folder, all its methods worked
> like magic. I was very happy.
> 
> Then we restarted Zope, and ever since, it seems like the Adapter is being
> called by the ZSQL Methods without any acquisiotion context.
> 
Then we shut down Zope, and started it again from the command line, and everything
seems to work OK.

Except... that still,

> ZSQL Methods in the same class as the adapter act funny -- you
> can set it as their connection, but in the source they say "connection not found",
> and you can't test them in the class context (even when they don't rely on instance
> resources).
> 

And besides, my excellent adapter seems to have a problem:

The idea behind it is very simple. Most of the adapter code is taken from ZGadfly,
but the database implementation -- i.e. the connection between adapter and Python
binding -- is replaced with the function,

def DB(self, connection_finder):
    try: db_finder=getattr(self, connection_finder)
    except AttributeError:
        raise AttributeError, (
            "The database connection finder <em>%s</em> cannot be found." % (
            connection_finder))

    # db_finder may be a string or a method which returns a string
    if hasattr(db_finder,'__call__'):
        db_name = db_finder()
    else:
        db_name = db_finder
        

    # Now find the actual db
    try: db = getattr(self, db_name)
    except AttributeError:
        raise AttributeError, (
            "The database connection <em>%s</em> "
            "(indicated by <em>%s</em>) cannot be found." % (
            db_name, connection_finder))

    return db()

The function DB is called whenever there is need to fetch a new database connection.
It finds the name of the connection (db_name) and calls it, which is a lot like the
way ZSQL Methods themselves find their connections.

The problem is that when I try this with the proxied connection being a Z Oracle 
Connection, ZSQL methods in the ZClass get a different connection (at the Oracle
level) from those outside it; in my case, this leads to very unpleasant database 
locks. It looks to me like some bad case of acquisition illness, but I can't quite 
get a grip on it.

About ZSQL Methods in ZClasses:

Searching through the archives, I found that Lindell Alderman tried to do, essentially,
the same thing (use same set of ZSQL Methods on different connections thru ZClasses), 
and asked about it in zope-dev, exactly a year ago; there was no answer.
(http://zope.nipltd.com/public/lists/dev-archive.nsf/0a8715d5f3c7b6a3802568c1006328f7/
098f2c0745ca099c802568e6007f2f31?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,ZClass)

Is there a non-ZClass way to do this?

Thanks again, and sorry for my impatience -- I really didn't want to share Lindell's
fate of being unanswered, so I figured at least I could reply...

Have fun,
	Shai.


From simon@joyful.com  Mon May 21 17:23:47 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 21 May 2001 09:23:47 -0700
Subject: [Zope] verbatim code in ZWikiPage
In-Reply-To: <1reltiu6p9.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu> (John Hunter's message of "21 May 2001 09:17:54 -0500")
References: <1rzoc9glws.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>
 <1ru22g54hx.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu> <87heyf4nvf.fsf@joyful.com>
 <1reltiu6p9.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <87elti3c30.fsf@joyful.com>

Thanks John! This goes near the top of the todo list.

-Simon


From mail@peterbe.com  Mon May 21 17:33:36 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:33:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZSQL and Python Script
References: <B72EFD73.3484%tom@othermedia.com>
Message-ID: <02d701c0e216$ad094e40$1c64a8c0@PBN>

> answer = context.REQUEST['answer']
> Thingy = something_else
>
> context.create_answer_sql(answer=answer, thingy=thingy)

That's perfect!
Smells bug or some simple misstake.
what does this return?:

answer = context.REQUEST['answer']
Thingy = something_else
print "Answer: (%s) \nThingy: (%s)"%(answer, thingy)
context.create_answer_sql(answer='dummyvalue', thingy='staticstring')
return printed



Cheers,
Peter
> ...and the values don't turn up in the database if I use <dtmlsql-var
answer
> type=string> but do if I use <dtml-var answer>, but then the quote
escaping
> fails..
>
> I assume this is a namespace problem, any ideas on how to fix it?
>
> Thanks
>
> tom
>
>
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From jpenny@universal-fasteners.com  Mon May 21 17:53:44 2001
From: jpenny@universal-fasteners.com (Jim Penny)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:53:44 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Postgres adapters
In-Reply-To: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAKENLCEAA.paz@oratrix.com>; from paz@oratrix.com on Mon, May 21, 2001 at 04:10:04PM +0200
References: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAKENLCEAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <20010521125344.O19977@universal-fasteners.com>

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 04:10:04PM +0200, Paul Zwarts wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Can anyone comment on past experiences with various postgres adapters? I am
> using the latest PoPy (201) and have just recently noticed psychopg. Is it
> better, faster, more reliable or any of the above?
> 
> Paz

Right now, psyco is more featureful.  It will probably remain so.
I don't think that speed is a problem with either.  pysco is somewhat
easier to install, since PoPy consists of two parts, a long running
daemon, and an adapter that talks to the daemon.  psyco had a problem
with leaks for a while, but I think that has been completely resolved.

Both continue to be under development; pysco seems more aggresive right now.
I am still running PoPy, as, for what I am doing, I don't see any strong
benefits from the psyco approach.

But, YMMV, and I believe that it is fairly trivial to set BOTH up on
your system and see which you prefer.  (I strongly urge you to do this,
especially if you do not have a lot of code.  The earlier you can decide
which is better for you, the easier it will be;  connection strings
are a pain to find and change.)

pysco has current postgres 7.1 support.  PoPy is hoping to have support
for 7.1 by the end of the month.

Jim Penny
(current PoPy debian maintainer, who tries very hard to have an open mind)

> 
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From jpenny@universal-fasteners.com  Mon May 21 17:58:48 2001
From: jpenny@universal-fasteners.com (Jim Penny)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:58:48 -0400
Subject: Inserting large amounts of data (Was: Re: [Zope] Postgres adapters)
In-Reply-To: <3B09377D.2AF2FF5F@ecn.purdue.edu>; from cnd@ecn.purdue.edu on Mon, May 21, 2001 at 10:42:53AM -0500
References: <990455252.1585.19.camel@lola> <3B09377D.2AF2FF5F@ecn.purdue.edu>
Message-ID: <20010521125848.P19977@universal-fasteners.com>

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 10:42:53AM -0500, Christopher N. Deckard wrote:
> I'm trying to take a "File" object in ZODB and iterate over the
> entire thing (about 300,000 lines) and insert into a Postgres
> database.  The file is about 37MB of comma sepearated numbers.  I
> guess Zope treats the entire transaction as one transaction and
> doesn't really ever come back from attempting to insert every row. 
> Do you have an idea on how to split this up into multiple
> transactions or do a commit or some sort so that Zope doesn't croke?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Chris

 Has it been exported to filespace?
Is it a Unix-like system?  Are you comfortable writing edit scripts?
If yes to all of these, then I would recommend
using psql to inject it into the database.  If not, I would drop it
to the filesystem and then use psql ;-).

Jim Penny

> 
> Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> > 
> > > Can anyone comment on past experiences with various postgres adapters? I am
> > > using the latest PoPy (201) and have just recently noticed psychopg. Is it
> > > better, faster, more reliable or any of the above?
> > 
> > obviously yes. but look at my email address and at psycopg hosting site
> > before giving too much weight to my words... :)
> > 
> > more seriously, psycopg is actively developed (i.e., we usually fix bugs
> > in 2-3 days and release a new version about 24h afterwards) and we are
> > really commited to DB-API compliance. what can i say apart from give
> > psyco a try? http://initd.org/Software/psycopg/
> > 
> > ciao,
> > federico
> 
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From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May 21 18:05:00 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:05:00 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Problems with xml-rpc
References: <PKEFLGEBLGPCKNPIENBJAEKKCKAA.jcoruna@ibdosnorte.com> <3B0928DD.38441B1B@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B094ABC.8B2A31AF@digicool.com>

I did a little more digging with this.

This problem will not manifest itself in Zope in 99% of the cases. 
Neither Zope 2.X nor Python 1.5.2 ship with the sgmlop library.  The
branch of code which causes this memleak to happen won't be executed
unless you've installed sgmlop, which is only available (AFAIK) from
http://www.pythonware.com/products/xml/sgmlop.htm.

- C


Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> Hi Juan,
> 
> Thanks for the heads up on the xml-rpc mem leak bug and fix.  I imagine
> this was never put into Zope because it never made it into a Secretlabs
> stable release of xmlrpclib (0.9.8 doesn't have it, and 0.9.9 is marked
> as development).
> 
> I'm not certain of the other bug, but it may be worthwhile to ask
> secretlabs as well as waiting for answers on this list.
> 
> - C
> 
> Juan Carlos Coruña wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The last problem I was having with xmlrpc and Zope was "Growing Refcounts"
> > (you can review it in this mailing list). I resolved the problem applying
> > the patch to xmlrpclib.py referenced in
> > http://www.pythonware.com/products/xmlrpc/bug-xmlrpc1.htm. ¿Why, you, people
> > of DC do not apply this patch?
> >
> > But now there seems to appear another problem related to xml-rpc.
> > I'm using a python xmlrpc client to talk to a Zope server.
> >
> > The problem appears if I pass a string argument containing the symbol "&".
> > Example
> > > s = xmlrpclib.Server('http://localhost/RPC')
> > > s.anymethod('string & parameter')
> >
> > The zope server responds:
> >
> > xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -2: 'Unexpected Zope error value:  <unknown>:1:0:
> > not well-formed\012\012\012'>
> >
> > I am using Zope-2.3.2.
> >
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From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Mon May 21 18:16:31 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:16:31 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Postgres adapters
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CD6@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

You say PoPy plans on supporting 7.1 this month ?!?!  Oops.  I've been using
it in straight Python to pack down 700MB of parsed logfiles on my HP/UX box
into a 7.1RC2 postgreSQL server and 7.1 is compiling as I write :(

Troy


From kevinsl@yahoo.com  Mon May 21 18:26:37 2001
From: kevinsl@yahoo.com (Kevin L)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] UserDB troubles
Message-ID: <20010521172637.52552.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, can anyone help me out with UserDB? I'm trying to do
something similar to zope.org, in that users have full access to
most of the site, but after they log in they will see a few
additional links.

I have UserDB installed and I edited the sqlListUsers query and
it does show the 500 users from my MySQL database.

But how do I create a login page like zope.org?

any help is greatly appreciated!

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From docwhat@gerf.org  Mon May 21 18:37:34 2001
From: docwhat@gerf.org (The Doctor What)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:37:34 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Job Board Howto
Message-ID: <20010521123734.B23561@gerf.org>

Hi!

I like your example of how to build a job board.  I'm using some of
the info from it to do a schedule system, but without ZClasses (I
use a DTML Document as the schedule item).

I do have one thing that your example board doesn't have:  a delete
job.  This would, in a real system, require permissions around it,
but it would be educational.

I have been trying things like this (in a python script here and dtml
methods (not shown)):
context.events.manage_delObject(id)

but I just get an AttributeError.

So, I thought this would be useful for your HOWTO (and for me to
know, eh?)

:-)

-- 
Thank goodness modern convenience is a thing of the remote future.
	 -- Pogo, by Walt Kelly

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From JVanderdray@aarp.org  Mon May 21 18:39:16 2001
From: JVanderdray@aarp.org (Vanderdray, Jake)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:39:16 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Flat HTML Files
Message-ID: <ED6E0516B3B4D411A74D00508BB01D6F46A2CC@mbs04dc.aarp.org>

	I'm interested in using Zope to develop an existing web site.  To
start with I've recreated most of the site in Zope, separating content from
design as I went.  I would now like to publish the site in plain HTML format
(what the browser gets now when pointed at my Zope site), and serve it up as
a static site from my production server.  Is there a Zope based tool for
doing this, or should I use something like wget?  I'm open to other
suggestions.

Thanks,
Jake.


From dan@control.com  Mon May 21 18:37:05 2001
From: dan@control.com (Dan L. Pierson)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:37:05 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
In-Reply-To: <B72EC188.84A0%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <318750000.990466625@daystar.control.com>


--On Monday, May 21, 2001 12:58:49 PM +0100 Tony McDonald 
<tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:

> Well, if you look at the other choices;
>
> More kick ass RDMS adapters     - more or less covered
> Storage abstraction layer       - deep voodoo, not many folks will
> understand this one
> An IDE (Zope Studio)            -
> Easier installation of Zope and products    - happens quite rarely
> Conversion of more data types   - seems like another db issue
> Nothing, its perfect            - :)
>
> Not that I'm slagging Andy off - it's a *good* thing to solicit feedback,
> just that out of those choices, most people are going to go for the
> 'eye-candy' option.

I agree.  An IDE, especially with integrated multithread debugging, would 
be a good thing
and worth paying for.  It's my first choice OF THE OPTIONS GIVEN.  It's not 
close to
my first choice overall.

For one example: "Better Zope monitoring support" would be much more 
important to us
than any of the listed options.  I'll be that everyone fighting with 
hanging Zopes
would agree with us.

>> Wow.  Let's try a different tack.  Pretend there was a for-free Zope
>> Studio and a for-fee Zope Studio.  Let's say the difference was either
>> like ActiveState's difference (personal use vs. professional use), or
>> say the difference was in "Professional" capabilities.
>>
>> Does anyone think there would be any moderate-sized market for a for-fee
>> version?  How many of you would pay a few hundred bucks for a
>> high-quality dev/authoring/admin environment for Zope?

We would buy several copies if it ran well on Linux, especially if it had 
decent
debugging support in a live multithreaded environment.  For the record, I 
did
buy three copies of the Wing IDE, but haven't looked again at Komodo (the 
Zope
stuff didn't work on Linux at the Python conference and it didn't seem very
fast).

> One thing for me - it *must* be cross-platform. One reason I'm so into
> Zope is the non-M$oft flavour of it all, I can use it from my Mac
> runnning MacOS X (and *run* Zope on it), on PCs in our department, or
> most other things we come across as long as they run a browser.

Agreed.  I will use a PC, but not Windows anything.  However, our editors
and content people run Windows and would be uninterested in a Linux only
solution.

Dan Pierson
Control.com, Inc.





From iggymax@mac.com  Mon May 21 18:45:43 2001
From: iggymax@mac.com (Ignoramus Maximus)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:45:43 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Newbie Question
Message-ID: <200105211749.BAA26389@pop1.pacific.net.sg>

Hi There,

I'm an absolute newbie to Zope and was hoping for some help.

I'm jumping head first into a project for one of our creative
clients. I've recommended Zope over other application servers.
One of the requirements for the site is that we build an easy
mac-feeling content management system for the clients to update
the site as well as upload Quicktime files and change stuff 
around. Where should I start, and what should I use?

Another requirement would be the creation of an online calendar
that can be accessed by a particular workgroup. Again, where 
would I start, and what would I use?

Lastly, what does one charge for building a CMS solution as such?

I appologise if the questions are trivial. Thanks for the time.
iggy


From marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de  Mon May 21 18:51:23 2001
From: marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de (Marcus Schopen)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:51:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Amanda to backup ZOPE remotely
Message-ID: <990467483.3b09559be9453@marcus.localguru.de>

Hi there,

is it a good idea to use Amanda to backup ZOPE's physical home directory
(/home/zope) while ZOPE is active? Is it critical because of changing data.fs
and logfiles while Amanda is trying to do its job?

Now I use rync (http://www.zope.org/Members/jrush/howto_rsync_zope).

Thank you
Marcus


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From marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de  Mon May 21 18:53:37 2001
From: marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de (Marcus Schopen)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:53:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] Kebas Data refresh problem
Message-ID: <990467617.3b0956210d8be@marcus.localguru.de>

Hi there,

have a problem with refreshing time. I set it to 3600, but after an
hour nothing has changed. ZOPE did not build up a connection to the
remote site to grab the new data.

Thank you
Marcus

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From zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at>  Mon May 21 19:04:50 2001
From: zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at> (zope-mailinglist)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:04:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope] apache proxy problem
Message-ID: <006b01c0e220$88479f80$6400a8c0@monty>

hello


i'm running zope 2.3.1 behind apache with mod_proxy and mod_ssl
apache is running on freebsd 4.2 with ipfilter
with a siteroot i do virtualhosting
the zope is running on win2k as a service
when i access the page the first time (no ssl) then it takes about 30
seconds to show up
if i browse further the speed is alright

and some images won't load the first time, i need to do a refresh and the
image appears

if i access the page behind the firewall directly, there are no problems
it seems that this is an apache issue ??

i havn't set any http headers explicitly to set the expiration time

can anybody help

thx


From kyroraz@usa.net  Mon May 21 19:10:28 2001
From: kyroraz@usa.net (Jason Joy)
Date: 21 May 2001 11:10:28 MST
Subject: [[Zope] Job Board Howto]
Message-ID: <20010521181028.13170.qmail@nw177.netaddress.usa.net>

This is something that I am looking into... If anyone knows how to delete=

objects with a call like this, please post it.  :)  It's been driving me =
a
little crazy. :)

Jason

The Doctor What <docwhat@gerf.org> wrote:
> Hi!
> =

> I like your example of how to build a job board.  I'm using some of
> the info from it to do a schedule system, but without ZClasses (I
> use a DTML Document as the schedule item).
> =

> I do have one thing that your example board doesn't have:  a delete
> job.  This would, in a real system, require permissions around it,
> but it would be educational.
> =

> I have been trying things like this (in a python script here and dtml
> methods (not shown)):
> context.events.manage_delObject(id)
> =

> but I just get an AttributeError.
> =

> So, I thought this would be useful for your HOWTO (and for me to
> know, eh?)
> =

> :-)
> =

> -- =

> Thank goodness modern convenience is a thing of the remote future.
> 	 -- Pogo, by Walt Kelly
> =

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g/
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From randy@spoke.net  Mon May 21 19:21:24 2001
From: randy@spoke.net (Randall F. Kern)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:21:24 -0700
Subject: [[Zope] Job Board Howto]
Message-ID: <E379007FADE7104B8346218F322A8BAE042291@sammamish-dc.spoke.net>

Look in lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py:

def manage_delObjects(self, ids=3D[], REQUEST=3DNone)

So...

context.events.manage_delObjects(id)

(You can pass a single string id, the function is smart enough to
convert it to a list)

-Randy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Joy [mailto:kyroraz@usa.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:10 AM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [[Zope] Job Board Howto]
>=20
>=20
> This is something that I am looking into... If anyone knows=20
> how to delete
> objects with a call like this, please post it.  :)  It's been=20
> driving me a
> little crazy. :)
>=20
> Jason
>=20
> The Doctor What <docwhat@gerf.org> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >=20
> > I like your example of how to build a job board.  I'm using some of
> > the info from it to do a schedule system, but without ZClasses (I
> > use a DTML Document as the schedule item).
> >=20
> > I do have one thing that your example board doesn't have:  a delete
> > job.  This would, in a real system, require permissions around it,
> > but it would be educational.
> >=20
> > I have been trying things like this (in a python script=20
> here and dtml
> > methods (not shown)):
> > context.events.manage_delObject(id)
> >=20
> > but I just get an AttributeError.
> >=20
> > So, I thought this would be useful for your HOWTO (and for me to
> > know, eh?)
> >=20
> > :-)
> >=20
> > --=20
> > Thank goodness modern convenience is a thing of the remote future.
> > 	 -- Pogo, by Walt Kelly
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From docwhat@gerf.org  Mon May 21 19:20:21 2001
From: docwhat@gerf.org (The Doctor What)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:20:21 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Re: Job Board Howto
In-Reply-To: <20010521123734.B23561@gerf.org>; from docwhat@gerf.org on Mon, May 21, 2001 at 12:37:34PM -0500
References: <20010521123734.B23561@gerf.org>
Message-ID: <20010521132021.C23561@gerf.org>

* The Doctor What (docwhat@gerf.org) [010521 12:44]:
> I have been trying things like this (in a python script here and dtml
> methods (not shown)):
> context.events.manage_delObject(id)
> 
> but I just get an AttributeError.

That is my mistake.  It is manage_delObjects(id) (note the plural
objects).  My suggestion for adding a delete to the board still
stands, as more examples are good examples. :-)

Ciao!

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From fte@lightwerk.com  Mon May 21 19:31:11 2001
From: fte@lightwerk.com (Frank Tegtmeyer)
Date: 21 May 2001 20:31:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] apache proxy problem
In-Reply-To: zope-mailinglist's message of "Mon, 21 May 2001 20:04:50 +0200"
References: <006b01c0e220$88479f80$6400a8c0@monty>
Message-ID: <ufzoc6zh8w.fsf@westkapp.fte.to>

zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at> writes:

> when i access the page the first time (no ssl) then it takes about 30
> seconds to show up
> if i browse further the speed is alright
> 
> if i access the page behind the firewall directly, there are no problems
> it seems that this is an apache issue ??

This sounds like a DNS- or IDENT-problem. Can you do reverse resolving
for the IP address of the Apache server on your Win-server?

Regards, Frank


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Mon May 21 19:38:13 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:38:13 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app w/ Zope
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B329@desi2>

The recent IDE thread has sort of got me thinking about my ideal vision of
what Zope could do for and be to developers in the future, so perhaps my
quirky visions here seem a bit ambitious, so take what I'm saying with a
grain of salt (or a Tablespoon if you prefer)...  So perhaps this message's
subject might be best written as: Sean's Crazy Zope Wishlist...

here are some random thoughts re: IDE for Zope... this message is long, so
here is a summary:

1. create generalized toolkit/class library for desktop access to Zope; use
wxPython... Work should be used for basis for IDE and a whole new generation
of cross-platform desktop applications using Zope as a middleware core,
expanding what Zope is used for, and the market opportunities associated
with it for developers and vendors...
2. IDE should have ability to checkin/out stuff from server Products dir via
FTP, as well as ODB; code should be synced from IDE/workstation to CVS, and
also to Zope server for testing snapshots.
3. IDE should allow for unit testing of python classes using local python
installation, and also facilitate debugging using python on server after a
sync of code.
4. I'm not sure I would pay for an IDE versus using traditional tools, but I
WOULD PAY FOR CASE TOOL INTEGRATION.  I want forward/reverse engineering
from UML; this would require the ability to have the CASE tool plugin
cooperate with changes/evolution in Zope and any "standard" IDE, which means
there is a sale-plus-subscription business model for this (for DC or another
vendor to sell to ISVs?). Do this, and watch to "Enterprise Java" folks be
converted - they really want to code in python, they just don't know it yet.
;)

Anyways, if you aren't already bored to tears, read on...
------

Zope, via XML-RPC, could be a very good platform for creating an extensible
toolkit for desktop access to Zope, wrapping XML-RPC calls to Zope machinery
to do certain tasks.  Such an abstract toolkit might provide a decent
foundation for an IDE, but would also serve the purpose of allowing folks to
write "desktop" (really: client/server) programs that interface with the
Zope/ODB rather transparently by using the some prebuilt toolkit classes and
basic-auth-wrapped python XML-RPC library.  I could imagine having prebuilt
library functions for Zope access (a desktop application that has a concept
of a user-login and session, a URL, etc), admin (pack db, restart,
backup/export object hierarchies to a local file), development (ftp
checkin/checkout of code from Products directory on server, source/property
editing of TTW objects), and general use (bound data controls - widgets like
text boxes that are bound to a particular class definition, and represent
members of instances of those classes, for example a widget has an
associated get and set method within a class that it gets its text from and
sets upon changes).  Perhaps I'm dreaming here, but I really want to extend
what I am doing in Zope in the future into cross-platform desktop
development efforts.

The rationale for desktop apps to be built with Zope is exists because:
1 - Data Entry: TTW editing is not always ideal; if I was building a
content-system, for example, like a newspaper library system, Zope is an
ideal platform for an asset-management system/content repository. But that
task also involves a lot of editing, and the librarian will want to have
hot-keys to modify content and navigate an entry-screen, it would make sense
to make this a desktop app, as that kind of flexibility is not afforded by a
browser and html forms.
2 - Current Desktop Client/Server apps are stale: Isn't the idea of ODB
integration with desktop apps more exciting than standard 2-tier RDB apps?
Wouldn't middleware based on lightweight, commodity technologies (http,
xml-rpc, open source server software) like Zope make sense for the new "web
services" paradigm?
3 - Zope has potential as an enterprise data-center mainstay, not just as a
web-only application.  This expands the market for Zope and vendors working
with Zope, as well as expands the Zope community.
4 - Commodity internet technologies, especially with open-source cores,
provide what might just be the core for the next generation of enterprise
applications (both web-based and desktop c/s), especially in heterogeneous
content environments (like publishing/media companies using something like
this for the database core for print and online production systems).
5 - There is a market justification for vendors to sell more integration
services to 2 market vectors (enterprise and web development), in both
content-management and other verticals for which Zope might excel as a good
development platform for a back end.  In the newspaper editorial and
asset-management systems business (I used to work for a vendor in this
industry), for example, there is a great deal of talk about convergence and
formatting-neutral content storage databases at the center of web and
desktop apps; a lot of app & services sales within these markets are 6 to 7
figure sales to media companies, so there is opportunity, not in just this
industry, but other content-heavy industries (medical, legal, etc) as well -
for the same types of "integrated" solutions with a single
commidity-web-based core, with desktop and web apps surrounding it.

I'm currently doing a bit of playing around with wxPython, which reminds me
a lot of my days programming with the Borland OWL class libraries, so I
might be partial to such a solution using wxPython instead of tkinter (tcl
interpreter - blech!  motif-style widgets - yuck!).  An IDE built with a
decent (modern) widget set / UI class library, with extended toolkit
functions, like data-bound controls, might make for an interesting
user-extensible means of creating custom-tweaked IDEs, not to mention other
desktop software that accesses Zope...

I guess what I am saying is that we might as well have a toolkit for
building desktop apps and kill two birds with one stone here if there ends
up being any sort of IDE project.  I also think that choosing to use a
modern cross-platform desktop class library like wxWindows with wxPython
might be a better choice than mozilla/XPCOM or tkinter...

In addition to remote object/method calls, ability to sync local code done
in the IDE with both a CVS server (whenever), and with the Zope server (on
production/snapshot releases) via FTP would be good. 

The IDE should allow unit-testing and debugging using a python shell and a
local python.  The IDE should also automate the ability to telnet to the
Zope server to do integration testing and verification using the python on
the Zope server.  I do this now with Idle on the Zope server via a remote
X-Session (not entirely graceful, but it works).

In addition to an IDE, I want to be able to have some good guidelines and
documentation for standardized UML in Zope, so that when I share designs
with colleagues, I don't have to use a ridiculous amount of my own flavor of
stereotypes, just because I don't know any better.  Once I have that, I want
CASE->CODE->CASE tools with an existing tool (even if it is a Visio
extension hacked with VBscript), but perhaps I am pushing my luck there.  I
just think that provided the ability to use standard editing tools, I would
feel good to have the ability to do forward/reverse engineering from UML
models.  Such a tool might get some Java developers to jump ship.  I might
not pay for an IDE, but I WOULD PAY $$$ for a plugin that does
forward/reverse engineering with an existing CASE tools (ObjectDomain,
Rational Rose, Visio2k, etc).  These are high-end tools that would likely
only be used by a smaller group of folks than Zope's general audience,
which, I assume makes this more ideal for a standard commercial software
paradigm.  Such a product would need to be able to change with
changes/evolution in Zope, which means that a buy-once, buy a support
contract for free updates would be a good model for anyone creating such a
tool.  Also, you keep the barrier to entry low for development in
open-source projects built on Zope because you can always have folks without
these tools submit patches, participate in development, and view a PDF or
JPG of the UML diagrams if they so please...

Sean

=========================
Sean Upton
Senior Programmer/Analyst
SignOnSanDiego.com
The San Diego Union-Tribune
619.718.5241
sean.upton@uniontrib.com
=========================


From luke@seeto.com  Mon May 21 19:41:37 2001
From: luke@seeto.com (Luke Tymowski)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:41:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Flat HTML Files
In-Reply-To: <ED6E0516B3B4D411A74D00508BB01D6F46A2CC@mbs04dc.aarp.org>; from JVanderdray@aarp.org on Mon, May 21, 2001 at 01:39:16PM -0400
References: <ED6E0516B3B4D411A74D00508BB01D6F46A2CC@mbs04dc.aarp.org>
Message-ID: <20010521144137.A30835@seeto.com>

hello,

> a static site from my production server.  Is there a Zope based tool for
> doing this, or should I use something like wget?  I'm open to other
> suggestions.

yes. it's called ZMirror. Do a search on Zope.org.
I've used it before and it worked. But I've not used it in a long time.

luke



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 21 19:47:08 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:47:08 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Squishdot 1.2.1 and Strip-0-Gram 1.7 Released
Message-ID: <3B0962AC.B94C2A4F@nipltd.com>

Squishdot 1.2.1 is now available from
http://www.squishdot.org/Download.

The following major changes were made:

   - The "Strip-o-Gram" library has been improved. 
     You can no longer smuggle tags past it using broken XHTML.
     See http://www.zope.org/Members/chrisw/StripOGram for full details and
     the stand alone distribution.

   - Fixed a bug in posting deletion that meant some postings which hadn't 
     been deleted weren't showing up.

   - The Undo tab is once again visible in Squishdot Sites

There were a few other small changes and improvements. 
See http://squishdot.org/Documentation/Changes
for full details.

**This release requires Zope 2.3.2 or later!**

If you run into problems, remember Squishdot has a mailing list at eGroups and a
bug collector on SourceForge.

cheers,

Chris


From evan@4-am.com  Mon May 21 20:04:19 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:04:19 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZSQL and Python Script
References: <B72EFD73.3484%tom@othermedia.com>
Message-ID: <015501c0e228$d6b1ce40$0c17a8c0@yosemite>

From: "tom smith" <tom@othermedia.com>
> context.create_answer_sql(answer=answer, thingy=thingy)
>
> ...and the values don't turn up in the database if I use <dtmlsql-var
answer
> type=string> but do if I use <dtml-var answer>, but then the quote
escaping
> fails..

You do have "answer thingy" in the parameters box of the ZSQL Method, right?

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Mon May 21 20:18:36 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:18:36 +0100
Subject: [Zope] RE: Zope digest, Vol 1 #1408 - 51 msgs
In-Reply-To: <E151q3p-0006S3-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHKEAECBAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

Also checkout Boa Constructor http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/ (some
built-in Zope functionality already, also done in wxPython) and
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2000/01/xmlrpc/index.html?page=2 - glue that lot
together and you're halfway there! ;-)

Cheers, Jon
----------------------------------------------------------------

did you see shane's wxpython ZOBD browser?

  http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2001-April/010880.html

cheers,

seb.




From ebalasba@bway.net  Mon May 21 20:20:35 2001
From: ebalasba@bway.net (Eric Balasbas)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:20:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <200105211749.BAA26389@pop1.pacific.net.sg>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.30.0105211444120.2924-100000@ida.bway.net>

First, I'd like to say that your questions are not at all trivial, and I
had to do a lot of research to answer these questions for my own work.

Squishdot is a product that creates sites similar to Slashdot. It looks
nothing like a Mac site, but the graphics can be customized. See
http://www.zope.org/Members/chrisw/Squishdot

If you need more workflow features, then the CMF might be more suitable
for you. Please read through the documentation at http://cmf.zope.org
before you install CMF, it is a complex software package.

<shameless plug>
If you would like some help with this site, we do technical and creative
consulting.
</shameless plug>

Eric Balasbas
Senior Developer
eric@virtosi.com

http://www.virtosi.com/
Virtosi Ltd.
Design -- Branding -- Zope


On Tue, 22 May 2001, Ignoramus Maximus wrote:

> Hi There,
>
> I'm an absolute newbie to Zope and was hoping for some help.
>
> I'm jumping head first into a project for one of our creative
> clients. I've recommended Zope over other application servers.
> One of the requirements for the site is that we build an easy
> mac-feeling content management system for the clients to update
> the site as well as upload Quicktime files and change stuff
> around. Where should I start, and what should I use?
>
> Another requirement would be the creation of an online calendar
> that can be accessed by a particular workgroup. Again, where
> would I start, and what would I use?
>
> Lastly, what does one charge for building a CMS solution as such?
>
> I appologise if the questions are trivial. Thanks for the time.
> iggy
>
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From shilad@sourcelight.com  Mon May 21 20:41:12 2001
From: shilad@sourcelight.com (Shilad Sen)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:41:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] xmlrpc slowness
In-Reply-To: <000c01c0df9b$8f88b540$6628a8c0@nowhere.com> from "Albert Langer" at May 18, 2001 11:07:57 PM
Message-ID: <200105211941.f4LJfCQ08557@jericho.sourcelight.com>

Hello Albert,

Thanks for the info.  I have been researching Zope and Medusa, and I had
to add one function to be compatible.  It was a quick fix, and the new
release should be up on http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/py-xmlrpc some
time today.

The method you care about for integration is activeFds().  Both client and
server objects have this method  (I just added it to the client in 0.8.5).
It returns a 3 tuple of active file descriptors similar to the args for
select(): (inputFds, outputFds, excFds).

Once one of these file descriptors returns ready, you simply call the work
method with a time of 0.0.  This will do any work that can be immediately
done and return.

An example included in the newest release follows:

def exampleActiveFds():
	c = xmlrpc.client('localhost', PORT, '/blah')
	c.nbExecute('echo', ['hello', 'world'], activeFdCall, 'blah')
	c.work(0.0)				# you must "prime the pump"
	while 1:
		(inFd, outFd, excFd) = c.activeFds()
		select.select(inFd, outFd, excFd)
		c.work(0.0)

def activeFdCall(client, response, addArgs):
	print 'result is', xmlrpc.parseResponse(response)

Note that you cannot queue up another nbExecute() call until the first
one finishes.  This means you will probably either need to keep a relatively
small pool of clients around, or keep a command queue. 

I benchmarked this, and on my machine it looks like it adds about .0005
seconds per call.  Nothing big.

My guess is that anyone familiar with the Zope/asyncore/medusa interface could
implement this properly in a few hours.  I'll try to do it on my own, but
I'm not familiar with medusa or Zope, so it will probably take some time.

This will probably be a big efficiency win for xmlrpc and Zope.  You won't
have to use a separate threads for xmlrpc requests, and they can be handled
in your regular event loop (asyncore/medusa).

The new release should be up by the end of the day.  Let me know where we
go from here.

Thanks,

Shilad


> 
> [Shilad]
> The new release is up on sourceforge.  It should be compatible with the
> Zope client/server it was tested against.  It is at:
> 
> http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/py-xmlrpc
> 
> Let me know how it goes.  I'm curious to see what kind of speed increase
> you see.  My guess is that the implementation at the other xmlrpc end will
> be the bottle-neck pretty soon.
> 
> [Albert]
> Thanks *very* much for this!!!
> 
> 1000 xml-rpc calls per second with commodity hardware sounds pretty
> attractive!
> 
> I've had to just pass it on to a friend to checkout at the moment, but
> will try to get back to you soon with speed results, as I'm sure the
> other 3 CCs will. I've added the Zope list back to the addresses as
> there may be others there interested in trying it out now that Phil Harris
> has confirmed the new version interworks correctly with the Zope
> implementation. Also added [Zope-dev] list as Zope developers should
> be more interested and Matt Hamilton as issues below may be closely
> related to his posting "[Zope-dev] Asyncore in an external method".
> 
> http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2001-May/011274.html
> 
> In a previous email CC you said:
> 
> "I'm really excited that zope people may be using this.  Let me know if you
> have any questions/concerns/requests."
> 
> As you've also done binary releases for Windows and the various unixen that
> Zope does releases for, it should be suitable for actually integrating
> into Zope rather than just as an add-on "Product" or it's present form
> as just a separate python process talking to Zope rather than implementing
> Zope's xml-rpc itself.
> 
> So here goes with some questions/concerns/requests...
> 
> In the README you mention:
> 
> "Some time I should document everything better, especially the nonblocking
> aspects of the server and client."
> 
> and
> 
> "
> * Non-Blocking IO:  This becomes important when you have critical
> applications (especially servers) that CANNOT be held up because a client
> is trickling a request in or is reading a response at 1 byte per second.
> 
> * Event based:  This goes hand in hand with non-blocking IO.  It lets you
> use an event based model for your client/server application, where the
> main body is basically the select loop on the file descriptors you are
> interested in.  The work is done by registering callbacks for different
> events you received on file descriptors.  This can be very nice.  There is
> some work to be done here, but all the hooks are in place.  See TO DO for
> a list of the features that have yet to be incorporated."
> 
> (BTW there is currently no "TO DO" file.)
> 
> These aspects are a very big advantage. For Zope as a client, I suspect
> that the trickling issue may also be very important since it
> could be blocking an expensive Zope thread while waiting for a
> response from a slow remote server to pass on some information in
> response to relayed request (ie http/xmlrpc relay mode or even straight
> xmlrpc/xmlrpc proxy mode).
> 
> As you also mentioned, "the implementation at the other xmlrpc
> end will be the bottle-neck pretty soon".
> 
> Sorry I'm not very familiar with how to do this stuff myself, so I have
> 3 questions which maybe you could answer when you get around to doing
> those docs (or even better by also providing implementations in the
> next release ;-) or perhaps someone else on CC list knows the answers
> or is planning to do something about it?
> 
> 1) I'm not sure if I've got it right, but my understanding is that despite
> being based on a Medusa Reactor design that can handle many web hits
> with a single thread, Zope also maintains a small pool of threads to
> allow for (brief) blocking on calls to the file system for ZODB and
> for (also brief) external connections. I suspect these threads are
> "expensive" because they each end up keeping separate copies of
> cached web pages etc (to avoid slow python thread switching). So
> simply increasing the number of such threads is not recommended for
> improving Zope performance - performance relies on the non-blocking
> async Medusa Reactor design of Zserver, not on the threading, which
> just seems to be a sort of extra workaround.
> 
> If that is correct, then a few concurrent external calls to slow external
> xmlrpc servers (eg for credit card authorization taking 30 seconds
> or more) could easily tie up a lot of Zope resources. The non-blocking
> py-xmlrpc client could presumably surrender it's turn in the main event
> loop for it's thread until a response is received and then be woken up
> by the response, thus improving things greatly.
> 
> Unfortunately I have no idea how to do this - whether it would just happen
> automatically or there are built in facilities for doing that sort of thing
> easily in Zope already, or whether it is difficult to do.
> 
> I am just guessing that there would be some special
> tricks needed to wake up a channel when a response comes back (eg using
> the stuff in Zserver/medusa/select_trigger.py and Zserver/PubCore/.
> which I don't fully understand, but looks relevant).
> 
> Maybe I have misunderstood, but it looks to me like existing
> use of xmlrpc clients *from* Zope to external servers may not take this
> into account, but just block a thread. So even though the *server* side of
> xmlrpc used to "publish" zope objects is non-blocking with Zserver/Medusa,
> it may be just blocking a Zope thread when either an xmlrpc or http web
> "hit" results in a blocking xmlrpc call to an external server *from* Zope
> as a client. Some difficulty handling a separate set of socket selects
> for client calls to external servers may be the reason for this, and may
> relate to Matt Hamilton's problem.
> 
> That might not show up in simple testing of the server side, but could
> become a serious bottleneck with a heavy load of such external calls
> arising from multiple web hits concurrently when Zope is acting as a
> proxy/relay to a slow external server rather than just responding itself.
> 
> eg with 10 Zope threads and 30 second external delays you might end up
> with every thread blocked when a hit arrives every 3 seconds if only the
> server side of Zope is non-blocking but the client side blocks. That
> would be a shame if the server alone could handle 1000 calls per second,
> which might translate to 500 relayed or proxied calls per second,
> (regardless of the external delay of 30 seconds) if both sides were
> non-blocking (ok 30 x 500 = 15,000 micro-thread "channels" is pushing
> it even though they are just dormant waiting for a response most of the
> time - but references from the Medusa site indicate that sort of thing
> is at least *theoretically* possible ;-)
> 
> http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html
> 
> At any rate, a *lot* more than 1 every 3 seconds should be feasible,
> without wasting ridiculous amounts of RAM for per thread Zope caches.
> (It would still be less than 4 per second instead of 1000 per second
> even if the external delay was only 3 seconds - the critical thing
> is whether a non-blocking client can be integrated with Zope, taking
> into account the multi-threading as well as async Reactor design
> of Zope).
> 
> Any comments?
> 
> 2) Medusa has an async non-blocking "pure python" xmlrpc handler
> using asyncore - based on "xmlrpcserver.py" by Fredrik Lundh
> (www.pythonware.com).
> 
> http://www.nightmare.com/medusa/
> 
> medusa-20010416.tgz//xmlrpc_handler.py
> 
> As far as I can make out this seems to be for the server side
> only, although there are also both an rpc_server.py *and* an
> rpc_client.py (not using xmlrpc), so I imagine it would
> be easy enough to implement a client and a proxy relay
> for Medusa as well.
> 
> The examples in the tutorial include an http client and an
> http proxy relay with both server and client:
> 
> http://www.nightmare.com/medusa/programming.html
> 
> I imagine it is quite straight forward for anyone who knows
> what they are doing to somehow tie the faster py-xmlrpc C
> version into the Medusa main event loop even though it has
> it's own set of sockets to select from. Unfortunately I
> don't know how to do this. It might be generally useful to
> contribute the necessary wrapper and/or installation
> instructions to Medusa as well as add them to py-xmlrpc itself
> to use it for both server and client channels with Medusa, to
> encourage faster takeup, and as starting point for stuff below
> without having to get into Zope internals.
> 
> That would also provide a base reference point for speed tests
> of what Zope should be capable of, using py-xmlrpc for client
> as well as server side of plain Medusa with such proxied calls - to
> compare with tests doing nothing special on Zope for the Zope client
> side (with various numbers of 1 or more Zope threads and various
> delays at the remote server).
> 
> Any chance of this? When? ;-)
> 
> 3) As far as I can see Zope comes with the following from
> the top of the src tree:
> 
> lib/python/xmlrpclib.py
> 
> lib/python/ZPublisher/xmlrpc.py
> 
> But nothing in Zserver despite that containing and being
> based on Medusa. So it is extending the Medusa implementation
> of xmlrpclib rather than just layering above it.
> 
> Is anyone planning to provide a replacement based on
> py-xmlrpc? If so, when - and will it include a non-blocking
> client side as described above?
> 
> I've tried to track down some documentation on how
> XML-RPC fits into Zope. Here's the list I came up
> with in case it helps or prompts somebody to point
> out docs or threads with other info.
> 
> The start of some documentation on how Zope publishes
> with xml-rpc server is:
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/teyc/howtoXMLRPC2
> 
> Others include:
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/Amos/XML-RPC
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/teyc/pipermailXMLRPCWoes
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/teyc/howxmlrpc
> 
> There is also an XMLRPCProxy:
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/dshaw/XMLRPCProxy
> 
> And quite a few other references from the search
> button on www.zope.org for both "xmlrpc" and xml-rpc".
> 
> Anyway, thanks again for 1000 calls per second!
> 



From tim@freepm.org  Mon May 21 20:41:32 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:41:32 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app w/ Zope
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B329@desi2>
Message-ID: <3B096F6C.2B7320C0@iswt.com>

sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> 
> The recent IDE thread has sort of got me thinking about my ideal vision of
> what Zope could do for and be to developers in the future, so perhaps my
...
> I'm currently doing a bit of playing around with wxPython, which reminds me
> a lot of my days programming with the Borland OWL class libraries, so I
> might be partial to such a solution using wxPython instead of tkinter (tcl
> interpreter - blech!  motif-style widgets - yuck!).  An IDE built with a
> decent (modern) widget set / UI class library, with extended toolkit
> functions, like data-bound controls, might make for an interesting
> user-extensible means of creating custom-tweaked IDEs, not to mention other
> desktop software that accesses Zope...

Sean,
I am on my way out and do not have time to fully read everything
you have here. But I did want to let you (and other interested
members) know that we have committed to a GUI for FreePM.  In
taht vein, I can commit us to contributing to this project to
help build that infrastucture.  It sounds like we have a lot of
the same ideas.

Why don't you head this up and start coordination? I'll get back
with you later this week.

Cheers,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From cnd@ecn.purdue.edu  Mon May 21 21:03:49 2001
From: cnd@ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher N. Deckard)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:03:49 -0500
Subject: Inserting large amounts of data (Was: Re: [Zope] Postgres adapters)
References: <990455252.1585.19.camel@lola> <3B09377D.2AF2FF5F@ecn.purdue.edu> <20010521125848.P19977@universal-fasteners.com>
Message-ID: <3B0974A5.E51B4DCD@ecn.purdue.edu>

Jim Penny wrote:
> 
> On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 10:42:53AM -0500, Christopher N. Deckard wrote:
> > I'm trying to take a "File" object in ZODB and iterate over the
> > entire thing (about 300,000 lines) and insert into a Postgres
> > database.  The file is about 37MB of comma sepearated numbers.  I
> > guess Zope treats the entire transaction as one transaction and
> > doesn't really ever come back from attempting to insert every row.
> > Do you have an idea on how to split this up into multiple
> > transactions or do a commit or some sort so that Zope doesn't croke?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Chris
> 
>  Has it been exported to filespace?
> Is it a Unix-like system?  Are you comfortable writing edit scripts?
> If yes to all of these, then I would recommend
> using psql to inject it into the database.  If not, I would drop it
> to the filesystem and then use psql ;-).
> 
> Jim Penny

Jim,
What do you mean by exported to the filespace?  

Zope 2.3.2 running on RedHat Linux 7.1 with my own compiled Postgres
7.1.1.  I want all transactions (inserts, updates, even table
creations) to be handled through Zope.  I do not want to give users
access to a shell on the system.  I could do the number of inserts
that I need to do over xml-rpc, but again, I want this to be as
simple as upload a CSV (comma seperated) file, specify the table,
and have it insert every row in the file.  Again, I don't want to
give anyone access to a shell on the machine.  Everything must be
done through Zope.

-Chris


From laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu  Mon May 21 21:32:05 2001
From: laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu (Laurie Nason)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:32:05 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Python external method
Message-ID: <NFBBIFLELKMLLIEKAAOKIEKKCCAA.laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu>

Hi guys,
I have a very simple python external function (id=thumbnail, module=thumb,
function=thumbnail)

####!/usr/bin/python

def thumbnail(infile,size):

	try:
	    im = infile
	except IOError:
	    print "cannot create thumbnail for", infile

	im2=im.thumbnail((size,size))

	return im2

All this does is to take a file object and return the thumbnail of the image
provided - fairly simple I hear you say - well, I can't seem to get the dtml
required to call it. I want the form to display just a thumbnail of the full
image so I pass in the id of the image object - I have tried most
combinations including the ones below:

<dtml-var expr="thumbnail(_['id'],128)">   Error---"not enough arguments;
expected 2, got 1 "

<dtml-var expr="thumbnail(_.getattr(REQUEST,'id'),128)">
<dtml-var expr="thumbnail(_[_.getattr(REQUEST,'id')],128)">
<dtml-var expr="thumbnail(_.getitem(_['id']),128)">


WHY????????? &:-(

Laurie

Laurie Nason
Dept. of Biochemistry - N420
Baylor College of Medicine
Houston. TX77030



From cipher_atl@yahoo.com  Mon May 21 21:35:01 2001
From: cipher_atl@yahoo.com (Rahsheen Porter)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:35:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] IMAP Web Interface
Message-ID: <20010521203501.66619.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm running Courier IMAP on the same server as Zope.
The mail is stored in Maildir mailboxes. I'm trying to
find a suitable Web Interface for this as I am unable
to check my mail from work because of the restrictive
firewall. Any suggestions?

__________________________________________________
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From cj01@poczta.onet.pl  Mon May 21 23:39:02 2001
From: cj01@poczta.onet.pl (cj01@poczta.onet.pl)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:39:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope (ZCatalog) & international characters on Windows
Message-ID: <20010521223904Z231249-27464+33394@f2virt.onet.pl>

Hi, All!

I'm succesfully using Zope and ZCatalog with -L pl_PL option
on RedHat Linux, but I have problem with Windows.
If I know Windows (95,98,NT,2000) doesn't support locales 
(it have its own localization options).
When I'm trying to use -L option on Windows (with Zope 2.3.0) 
it reports:
-----------------------------------------------------
The specified locale is not supported by your system.
See your operating system documentation for more
information on locale support.
-----------------------------------------------------
I need localization support in order to correctly catalog my Z Object's in Polish.
Thanks, for any help.

Cezary Jurach




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From darran.edmundson@anu.edu.au  Mon May 21 23:43:59 2001
From: darran.edmundson@anu.edu.au (darran.edmundson@anu.edu.au)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:43:59 GMT
Subject: [Zope] simple DTML/namespace question: changing existing values in a method
Message-ID: <200105212243.f4LMhxw21679@anusf.anu.edu.au>

Can someone offer a means of accomplishing
the following:

<dtml-var header>
<dtml-var foo>
<dtml-if condition>
  <dtml-call "_.namespace(foo='newvalue')">
</dtml-if>
..
<dtml-var foo>
..
<dtml-var footer>

In this DTML method, if condition is true,
I'd like to modify foo's value for the
rest of the code that follows.  Seems easy
enough ...

As always, any help is much appreciated.

Cheers,
Darran.


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From magnus/Websys@websys.no  Mon May 21 23:52:36 2001
From: magnus/Websys@websys.no (magnus/Websys@websys.no)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:52:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] simple DTML/namespace question: changing existing values in a method
In-Reply-To: <200105212243.f4LMhxw21679@anusf.anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <H000006800014046.0990485450.sjef.websys.no@MHS>

> .. setting a variable..

<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('foo',newvalue)">

or if you have the dtml-eval patch installed:

<dtml-eval>
 foo = newvalue
</dtml-eval>

You could probably also use dtml-set, but RTFineM first, it doesn't do what 
you think it does.

-Magnus



From michel@digicool.com  Mon May 21 23:52:32 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:52:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app w/
 Zope
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B329@desi2>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105211502540.19094-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 21 May 2001 sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:

> 4. I'm not sure I would pay for an IDE versus using traditional tools, but I
> WOULD PAY FOR CASE TOOL INTEGRATION.  I want forward/reverse engineering
> from UML; this would require the ability to have the CASE tool plugin

I'm not sure how important a J-together like IDE would pay off in this
respect, but I would love to see a UML-ish like visualization tool that is
totally isomorphic to python.  The object's under the hood are all python,
the visualization is just a 'view', no need to go back and forth.  
Changing the code or run time object model changes the visualization
immediately.

> Zope, via XML-RPC, could be a very good platform for creating an extensible
> toolkit for desktop access to Zope, wrapping XML-RPC calls to Zope machinery
> to do certain tasks. 

XMLRPC could do this, but I'm afraid it would be seriously
limited.  XMLRPC is very useful, but it does not map as well as it could
onto the python object model.  I would prefer to see a GUI client running
in the same process space as a ZEO client, this way the GUI client could
do everything that Zope could do and re-use alot of the existing
interfaces (like security, acquisition, script objects, etc).

The upshot of xmlrpc is that you could write front-ends in various
languages and platforms.

> I'm currently doing a bit of playing around with wxPython, which
reminds me
> a lot of my days programming with the Borland OWL class libraries, so I
> might be partial to such a solution using wxPython instead of tkinter (tcl
> interpreter - blech!  motif-style widgets - yuck!).  An IDE built with a
> decent (modern) widget set / UI class library, with extended toolkit
> functions, like data-bound controls, might make for an interesting
> user-extensible means of creating custom-tweaked IDEs, not to mention other
> desktop software that accesses Zope...

wxPython is indeed very cool.

> In addition to an IDE, I want to be able to have some good guidelines
and
> documentation for standardized UML in Zope, so that when I share designs
> with colleagues, I don't have to use a ridiculous amount of my own flavor of
> stereotypes, just because I don't know any better.  Once I have that, I want
> CASE->CODE->CASE tools with an existing tool (even if it is a Visio
> extension hacked with VBscript),

blech.  it would take you just as long to hack one up with xwPython and
have a real object model underneath and it would be x-platform.

-Michel



From liao@acusd.edu  Mon May 21 23:23:38 2001
From: liao@acusd.edu (Luby Liao)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:23:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] passing object from dtml to python script
In-Reply-To: <20010518142912.A2532@corrada.com>
References: <15104.26157.964850.878590@holycow.acusd.edu>
 <15107.64611.611931.30926@holycow.acusd.edu>
 <20010518142912.A2532@corrada.com>
Message-ID: <15113.38250.215292.131717@holycow.acusd.edu>

Andres, thank you for taking an interest in my question.  After
reading Zopebook, the chapter on 'Advanced Zope Scripting', I decided
that what I want does not auto-magically happen, yet.  The application
I have in mind is a shopping-cart-like program in which we continue to
go from one form to another form, keeping all that have been entered
plus the result of sql queries, typically using hidden fields.  I have
written a python script to flatten REQUEST.form.items() into hidden
INPUT html element to propagate the information to the next form.  I
also find pluggable brains for ZSQL methods helpful.  Thank you again
for your help.  cheers, Luby

 > Hi Luby,
 > 
 > I think you are misunderstanding the purpose of HTML forms (forgive my
 > presumption!). When you use dtml-call you will get no results back from
 > the call, thus you are seeing ACTION="". ACTION should be followed by a valid
 > URL to the handler that will process the form.
 > 
 > I have not probed into your script too deeply but it seems that you can use
 > the firstname, lastname variables to pass to the handler script and then
 > use emailSearch again in the handler. That way you avoid passing x,
 > which you really cannot pass using the HTTP protocol anyhow.
 > 
 > On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 09:29:23AM -0700, Luby Liao wrote:
 > > 
 > > I posted the following question on 5-14-2001.  I got a prompt response
 > > from Andres (Thank you, Andres).  I tried his suggestions (see below)
 > > with many variations without success.  With some variations, e.g.,
 > > 
 > >   ACTION="<dtml-call complete_or_not(x)>" (line 9)
 > > 
 > > there are no errors.  Yet view source shows 
 > > 
 > >   ACTION=""
 > > 
 > > and reading the log from var/Z2.log shows that the python script is
 > > never called when the form is submitted.
 > > 
 > > Thank you in advance for your thoughts.  cheers, Luby   
 > > 
 > > 1. My question
 > > 
 > >  Is it possible to pass objects in a dtml, such as a row of the result
 > >  set of a sql query, into a python script used as a form handler?
 > > 
 > >  As an example, on line 9, 'complete_or_not' is a python script with
 > >  one argument.  I would like to pass an object x (line 2) into the
 > >  script.  But the syntax of line 9 is incorrect.  I could effectively
 > >  pass x in using hidden fields.  But I hope I can avoid that.  Any help
 > >  is greatly appreciated.  cheers, Luby
 > > 
 > > 
 > >   1	 <dtml-if email>
 > >   2	  <dtml-let x=emailSearch>
 > >   3	    <dtml-if "_.len(x)==1">
 > >   4		<dtml-in x>
 > >   5		  If you are <dtml-var firstname> <dtml-var lastname>, please 
 > >   6	            proceed to complete the registration, by clicking the
 > >   7			'complete' button.  Otherwise, click the 'not me'
 > >   8			button.
 > >   9		   <FORM METHOD="POST" ACTION="complete_or_not(x)>" NAME="complete" onSubmit="return verifyInput()">
 > >  10		   <TABLE border="0" cellpadding="0"><TR><TD align="right">
 > >  11		   <INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="complete" VALUE="Complete"></TD><TD align="right">
 > >  12		   <INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="not_me" VALUE="Not Me"></TD></TR>
 > >  13		   </TABLE>
 > >  14		   </FORM>
 > >  15		 </dtml-in>
 > >  16	    </dtml-if>
 > >  17	   </dtml-let>
 > >  18	 </dtml-if>
 > > 
 > > 2. Andres's solution
 > > 
 > >  Yes its possible to pass objects to scripts you call in dtml.
 > > 
 > >  One way to fix your syntax error is to write:
 > > 
 > >  <form method="post" action="<dtml-var "complete_or_not(x)" url>" ... >
 > > 
 > >  But that will just create the url where your user will go once they click
 > >  their button.
 > > 
 > >  If you want to avoid passing hidden fields take a look at the 
 > >  CoreSessionTracking product.
 > > 
 > >  In general you can call a script with something like:
 > > 
 > >  <dtml-var "someScrip(mySpecialObject=x)">
 > > 
 > >  or
 > > 
 > >  <dtml-call "someScriptWhoseSideEffectsIDoNotWantToSee(mySpecialObject=x)">
 > > 
 > > --
 > > Luby Liao, Department of Math/CS, University of San Diego, San Diego, CA 92110
 > > (619)260-4021(O), (619)452-7644(H), (619)260-4293(fax)
 > > 
 > >    'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
 > >    All mimsy were the borogroves    And the mome raths outgrabe   -- L.C.
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > >                                                   
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > _______________________________________________
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 > > 
 > 
 > -- 
 > ------------------------------------------------------
 > Andres Corrada-Emmanuel   Email: andres@corrada.com
 > Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
 > ------------------------------------------------------
 > 


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Tue May 22 00:51:47 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:51:47 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app w/ Zope
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B32A@desi2>

I agree on the 'view' concept for classes versus the traditional UML / IDE
integration concepts... 

Implementing a ZEO client core for a front-end GUI toolkit does make more
sense; it would perform better, have full access to the server, and still be
relatively x-platform (Win/Unix/MacOSX).  I still have some questions: 

- Wouldn't there be an advantage to having software products be installed on
the server (instead of a really FAT client)?
- By going the ZEO client route, don't you lose a lot of the things you
would get with Zope like the security model?  Or would this be different?
- The level of complexity there to develop such a thing grows quite a bit,
though, especially for those of us who remain ignorant (and perhaps a bit
fearful ;) ) of what is really running underneath the hood when it comes to
the ODB and ZEO... XMLRPC has both the advantage and disadvantage of
simplicity, for whatever that is worth...

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Pelletier [mailto:michel@digicool.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:53 PM
To: sean.upton@uniontrib.com
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app
w/ Zope


On Mon, 21 May 2001 sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:

> 4. I'm not sure I would pay for an IDE versus using traditional tools, but
I
> WOULD PAY FOR CASE TOOL INTEGRATION.  I want forward/reverse engineering
> from UML; this would require the ability to have the CASE tool plugin

I'm not sure how important a J-together like IDE would pay off in this
respect, but I would love to see a UML-ish like visualization tool that is
totally isomorphic to python.  The object's under the hood are all python,
the visualization is just a 'view', no need to go back and forth.  
Changing the code or run time object model changes the visualization
immediately.

> Zope, via XML-RPC, could be a very good platform for creating an
extensible
> toolkit for desktop access to Zope, wrapping XML-RPC calls to Zope
machinery
> to do certain tasks. 

XMLRPC could do this, but I'm afraid it would be seriously
limited.  XMLRPC is very useful, but it does not map as well as it could
onto the python object model.  I would prefer to see a GUI client running
in the same process space as a ZEO client, this way the GUI client could
do everything that Zope could do and re-use alot of the existing
interfaces (like security, acquisition, script objects, etc).

The upshot of xmlrpc is that you could write front-ends in various
languages and platforms.

> I'm currently doing a bit of playing around with wxPython, which
reminds me
> a lot of my days programming with the Borland OWL class libraries, so I
> might be partial to such a solution using wxPython instead of tkinter (tcl
> interpreter - blech!  motif-style widgets - yuck!).  An IDE built with a
> decent (modern) widget set / UI class library, with extended toolkit
> functions, like data-bound controls, might make for an interesting
> user-extensible means of creating custom-tweaked IDEs, not to mention
other
> desktop software that accesses Zope...

wxPython is indeed very cool.

> In addition to an IDE, I want to be able to have some good guidelines
and
> documentation for standardized UML in Zope, so that when I share designs
> with colleagues, I don't have to use a ridiculous amount of my own flavor
of
> stereotypes, just because I don't know any better.  Once I have that, I
want
> CASE->CODE->CASE tools with an existing tool (even if it is a Visio
> extension hacked with VBscript),

blech.  it would take you just as long to hack one up with xwPython and
have a real object model underneath and it would be x-platform.

-Michel


From dandraka@nuclear.ntua.gr  Tue May 22 00:52:34 2001
From: dandraka@nuclear.ntua.gr (Dimitris Andrakakis)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 02:52:34 +0300
Subject: [Zope] Zope on Windows2000
References: <4.2.0.58.20010519134753.00b875a0@pop.xs4all.nl> <20010521154507.B6284@zopatista.com> <024a01c0e203$3dd125b0$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <010101c0e251$1cece750$b142fbd4@webdomain.gr>

> I have experience of running Zope on most windows platforms and I must say
> that I am so far most impressed by w2k.
> The 9x/ME shouldn't even be mentioned. But the speed of w2k vs. NT4 is worth
> noting. Alone on this?

Same here. My fav platform is FreeBSD by far, but if I have to use win I go for
2k server. I've had no real problems on them working together --had other ones
though, nothing to do with zope


Just be sure (my bitter experince says) to add LOTS of memory if you think your
traffic will be anything more than 1 hit / sec (average).

Dimitris @ Nuclear




From kyroraz@usa.net  Tue May 22 01:04:49 2001
From: kyroraz@usa.net (Jason Joy)
Date: 21 May 2001 17:04:49 MST
Subject: [Zope] Changing Admin Password in Zope 2.3+
Message-ID: <20010522000449.26649.qmail@nwcst319.netaddress.usa.net>

Hello,

I know this is probably a silly question, but I can't quite seem to find =
a FAQ
or a entry in a FAQ about how to change the Administrative Password after=
 the
installation fact in Windows.  Can someone please point me in the right
direction as to how to do this?

Jason


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From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May 22 06:10:16 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:10:16 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Changing Admin Password in Zope 2.3+
In-Reply-To: <20010522000449.26649.qmail@nwcst319.netaddress.usa.net>
References: <20010522000449.26649.qmail@nwcst319.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <01052201101601.01733@localhost.localdomain>

Jason,

You need to run:

<zopedir>/bin/python <zopedir>/zpasswd.py -u username -p password 
<zopedir>/access

from a command prompt.

hth

On Monday 21 May 2001 20:04, Jason Joy wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I know this is probably a silly question, but I can't quite seem to find a
> FAQ or a entry in a FAQ about how to change the Administrative Password
> after the installation fact in Windows.  Can someone please point me in the
> right direction as to how to do this?
>
> Jason
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
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From Albert.Langer@Directory-Designs.org  Tue May 22 01:08:07 2001
From: Albert.Langer@Directory-Designs.org (Albert Langer)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:08:07 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app w/ Zope
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B32A@desi2>
Message-ID: <000001c0e253$4850ed40$6628a8c0@nowhere.com>

1. There's a python UML project at sourceforge, which currently doesn't seem
to have anything in it - but the author should be contacted re this
discussion.

2. ArgoUML has open source java which takes care of all the diagram side and
is designed to plug into all sorts of stuff. Uses XMI as internal model, not
just for export import. There's also a Corba API in the UML standard so it
should be feasible to call backwards and forwards to python via Corba
(or adapt it to XPCOM). Also of course there's JPE (assuming Jython
inapplicable for Zope).

3. Transwarp creates "structural models" from XMI of UML diagrams
and will soon do reverse.

4. Python itself pretty much *is* a Meta-Object Protocol.

...isomorphic UML visualization of "live" Python objects is doable!

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
sean.upton@uniontrib.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:52 AM
To: michel@digicool.com; sean.upton@uniontrib.com
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app
w/ Zope


I agree on the 'view' concept for classes versus the traditional UML / IDE
integration concepts...

Implementing a ZEO client core for a front-end GUI toolkit does make more
sense; it would perform better, have full access to the server, and still be
relatively x-platform (Win/Unix/MacOSX).  I still have some questions:

- Wouldn't there be an advantage to having software products be installed on
the server (instead of a really FAT client)?
- By going the ZEO client route, don't you lose a lot of the things you
would get with Zope like the security model?  Or would this be different?
- The level of complexity there to develop such a thing grows quite a bit,
though, especially for those of us who remain ignorant (and perhaps a bit
fearful ;) ) of what is really running underneath the hood when it comes to
the ODB and ZEO... XMLRPC has both the advantage and disadvantage of
simplicity, for whatever that is worth...

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Pelletier [mailto:michel@digicool.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:53 PM
To: sean.upton@uniontrib.com
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app
w/ Zope


On Mon, 21 May 2001 sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:

> 4. I'm not sure I would pay for an IDE versus using traditional tools, but
I
> WOULD PAY FOR CASE TOOL INTEGRATION.  I want forward/reverse engineering
> from UML; this would require the ability to have the CASE tool plugin

I'm not sure how important a J-together like IDE would pay off in this
respect, but I would love to see a UML-ish like visualization tool that is
totally isomorphic to python.  The object's under the hood are all python,
the visualization is just a 'view', no need to go back and forth.
Changing the code or run time object model changes the visualization
immediately.

> Zope, via XML-RPC, could be a very good platform for creating an
extensible
> toolkit for desktop access to Zope, wrapping XML-RPC calls to Zope
machinery
> to do certain tasks.

XMLRPC could do this, but I'm afraid it would be seriously
limited.  XMLRPC is very useful, but it does not map as well as it could
onto the python object model.  I would prefer to see a GUI client running
in the same process space as a ZEO client, this way the GUI client could
do everything that Zope could do and re-use alot of the existing
interfaces (like security, acquisition, script objects, etc).

The upshot of xmlrpc is that you could write front-ends in various
languages and platforms.

> I'm currently doing a bit of playing around with wxPython, which
reminds me
> a lot of my days programming with the Borland OWL class libraries, so I
> might be partial to such a solution using wxPython instead of tkinter (tcl
> interpreter - blech!  motif-style widgets - yuck!).  An IDE built with a
> decent (modern) widget set / UI class library, with extended toolkit
> functions, like data-bound controls, might make for an interesting
> user-extensible means of creating custom-tweaked IDEs, not to mention
other
> desktop software that accesses Zope...

wxPython is indeed very cool.

> In addition to an IDE, I want to be able to have some good guidelines
and
> documentation for standardized UML in Zope, so that when I share designs
> with colleagues, I don't have to use a ridiculous amount of my own flavor
of
> stereotypes, just because I don't know any better.  Once I have that, I
want
> CASE->CODE->CASE tools with an existing tool (even if it is a Visio
> extension hacked with VBscript),

blech.  it would take you just as long to hack one up with xwPython and
have a real object model underneath and it would be x-platform.

-Michel

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From Darran Edmundson" <Darran.Edmundson@anu.edu.au  Tue May 22 01:56:57 2001
From: Darran Edmundson" <Darran.Edmundson@anu.edu.au (Darran Edmundson)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:56:57 +1000
Subject: [Zope] bizzarre management behaviour: can't edit ZClass methods
Message-ID: <001601c0e25a$1a3a0d40$8505cb96@FUTNUH>

I've encountered a bizarre error.  I was editing my site
from home this morning without problem.  Here at work,
however, I'm getting key errors for *all* manage_workspace
links on DTML methods in my Products hierarchy.  (I.e., imagine
creating a ZClass and then trying to edit the index_html method,
only to get a KeyError on some property this definitely exists
in a property sheet.)  Note, I'm just trying to display the DTML
source code, not have Zope interpret it.  It's as  if manage_workspace
is showing the wrong view, trying to render the DTML rather than show
the method source.

Here's an example traceback:

Error Type: KeyError
Error Value: FirstName

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in
publish
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in
publish
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
    (Object: link)
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
    (Object: link)
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 189, in
__call__
    (Object: link)
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line
538, in __call__
    (Object: link)
KeyError: (see above)

I won't know until this evening if my home machine is now displaying the
same behaviour - or if it's something wrong with IE5 under Win2000.
Any ideas?

Cheers,
Darran.



From iss01d@bangor.ac.uk  Tue May 22 03:16:21 2001
From: iss01d@bangor.ac.uk (Sandy Britain)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:16:21 +0100
Subject: [Zope] deleting objects from a dtml method
Message-ID: <3B09CBF5.939AB161@bangor.ac.uk>

Hi,

I've created a ZClass in a product and then written dtml methods that
allow users to make new objects of the class using manage_addProduct..
and can edit the properties of a given object using
manage_changeProperties.

But I can't anywhere find the appropriate method call for deleting
objects from their container via a dtml method,


can anyone help?

thanks in advance

Sandy Britain



From iss01d@bangor.ac.uk  Tue May 22 03:19:43 2001
From: iss01d@bangor.ac.uk (Sandy Britain)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:19:43 +0100
Subject: [Zope] displaying dates in European format
Message-ID: <3B09CCBF.BC1C868B@bangor.ac.uk>

At the risk of getting an RTFM response,

does anyone know how to display dates in European format i.e.
DD/MM/YYYY?

cheers Sandy.



From pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt  Tue May 22 03:09:42 2001
From: pamm@students.si.fct.unl.pt (Paula Mangas)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:09:42 +0100 (WEST)
Subject: [Zope] displaying dates in European format
In-Reply-To: <3B09CCBF.BC1C868B@bangor.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105220306210.26964-100000@students.si.fct.unl.pt>


Hi!


from DateTime.DateTime import DateTime

(...)

today = DateTime('GMT')

*today* has the format: "2001/05/20 23:27:19.3491 GMT"
So, you can do that: today[8:10]+'/'+today[5:7]+'/'+today[0:4]

I hope this help,
Paula Mangas






On Tue, 22 May 2001, Sandy Britain wrote:

> At the risk of getting an RTFM response,
>
> does anyone know how to display dates in European format i.e.
> DD/MM/YYYY?
>
> cheers Sandy.
>
>
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From kedai@kedai.com.my  Tue May 22 03:08:37 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (bak (kedai))
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:08:37 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Kebas Data refresh problem
In-Reply-To: <990467617.3b0956210d8be@marcus.localguru.de>
References: <990467617.3b0956210d8be@marcus.localguru.de>
Message-ID: <01052210083701.00920@tokey>

On Tuesday 22 May 2001 01:53, Marcus Schopen wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> have a problem with refreshing time. I set it to 3600, but after an
> hour nothing has changed. ZOPE did not build up a connection to the
> remote site to grab the new data.
>

there's no automatic refresh.  you need to do that with cron, from any unix 
box.  or use xron to have similar capability from within zope, or maybe use 
wins scheduler.

however, if a user views the instance and the time between last refresh and 
current time is greater than refresh time, the instance will automatically be 
refreshed. 

> Thank you
> Marcus
>
> _______________________________________
>
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>      //\   Bielefeld, Germany
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>
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From bz@bwanazulia.com  Tue May 22 03:27:01 2001
From: bz@bwanazulia.com (BZ)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:27:01 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Flat HTML Files
In-Reply-To: <ED6E0516B3B4D411A74D00508BB01D6F46A2CC@mbs04dc.aarp.org>
References: <ED6E0516B3B4D411A74D00508BB01D6F46A2CC@mbs04dc.aarp.org>
Message-ID: <p05100c01b72f7ea6ad30@[10.0.1.45]>

Hey Jake,

Two ways to attack this...

1) use load_site.py to load all your old static html into Zope (which 
it will eat up and spit out very nicely) and just develop alongside 
of it in versions

or

2) Just FTP it all in.

BZ

At 1:39 PM -0400 5/21/01, Vanderdray, Jake wrote:
>	I'm interested in using Zope to develop an existing web site.  To
>start with I've recreated most of the site in Zope, separating content from
>design as I went.  I would now like to publish the site in plain HTML format
>(what the browser gets now when pointed at my Zope site), and serve it up as
>a static site from my production server.  Is there a Zope based tool for
>doing this, or should I use something like wget?  I'm open to other
>suggestions.
>
>Thanks,
>Jake.
>
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From bill@libc.org  Tue May 22 03:36:26 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 21 May 2001 20:36:26 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Create a user admin page where an administrator can
 change the user roles
In-Reply-To: <01052110513008.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <01052110513008.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <990498987.1438.1.camel@locutus>

On 21 May 2001 10:51:30 +0200, Gitte Wange wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have searched through the archives but couldn't find the answer I am 
> looking for:
> 
> I need to create a page for an administrator in my portal where he can assign 
> some other roles to the Members in that portal.
> It isnt't a problem to create the page - but I don't know what method to call 
> to update the roles ?

You can see how the ZopeMembershipComponent does this by downloading it,
and installing it to a production server if you like. (it has such a
page)

Bill






From tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk  Tue May 22 05:27:41 2001
From: tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk (Tony McDonald)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:27:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope] displaying dates in European format
In-Reply-To: <3B09CCBF.BC1C868B@bangor.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <B72FA91B.856D%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>

On 22/5/01 3:19 am, "Sandy Britain" <iss01d@bangor.ac.uk> wrote:

> At the risk of getting an RTFM response,
> 
> does anyone know how to display dates in European format i.e.
> DD/MM/YYYY?
> 
> cheers Sandy.
> 
>

Mornin' Squire :)

<http://www.zope.org/Members/AlexR/CustomDateFormats> is very handy...
Tone.
-- 
Dr Tony McDonald,  Assistant Director, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/
The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope



From erik@pacific-shores.com  Tue May 22 05:44:08 2001
From: erik@pacific-shores.com (Erik Myllymaki)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Zope] xml-rpc authentication with loginmanager?
Message-ID: <00d901c0e279$d6c92300$0a03a8c0@erm>

I have seen the additions some have suggested to use basic authentication
through xml-rpc(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zope/message/59116), but so
far I have bone-headed all my efforts to do the same through LoginManager
with a SQL back-end.

Any advice from the zope experts out there?

Thanks,

--
Erik Myllymaki



From andy@agmweb.ca  Tue May 22 05:48:07 2001
From: andy@agmweb.ca (Andy)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:48:07 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
References: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <008801c0e27a$655683b0$abcc4e18@cr582427a>

Wow, I came back from a holiday to find such a reaction to my poll. A few
things:

-    I wouldn't take the poll in the slighest bit seriously in any way. As
my last poll showed where someone came and voted 360 times. In fact just
today someone from 212.8.219.171 at 8:00 (while I was cooking breakfast over
a campfire) voted for the storage layer 120 times. Hmm. (And I checked all
the answers by the way).

- Tony McDonald: You are completely right. I could have swung the results a
totally different way, by adding in "Better Documentation" and everyone
would have voted for that. I didnt because I knew everyone would and it
wouldnt show anything (except I think the documentation is getting better
every day). Most of the time I try and keep my polls amusing, light hearted
and put about 2 minutes thought into them. Perhaps I need more :)

- This was sparked off in my mind by the survey which didnt mention any IDE
at all. In fact the first few things there just databases, which I
summarised as kick-ass database support. In fact it is similar to that
survey.

- The only thing I have felt missing from the discussion here is the exact
same people the survey is meant to target, people who dont use or have given
up on Zope. Most people on this list have very high technical skills and
have found a way to edit Zope, be it XEmacs, FTP or some other way. People
are great at adapting to a problem and finding solutions (I know many people
who think its fine to just cut and paste into the text area,  they like it,
and do it with remarkable speed). Newbies, occasional users and those who
have given up will be more likely the ones to complain.

So there you go, the goal was to spark off discussion on one thing I felt
was missing in that survey, the IDE. It did so I will be quiet and let you
continue discussing it.

Thanks for visiting my site.
--
  Andy McKay




From andy@agmweb.ca  Tue May 22 06:11:29 2001
From: andy@agmweb.ca (Andy)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:11:29 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope on Windows2000
References: <4.2.0.58.20010519134753.00b875a0@pop.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <003501c0e27d$a976d2e0$abcc4e18@cr582427a>

Hi,

We run lots of Zope on Win2k with no problem. Windows security, well thats
another matter. Just dont forget to turn everything else IIS etc. off :)

Cheers.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Antwan Reijnen" <antwan@dexus.nl>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 5:01 AM
Subject: [Zope] Zope on Windows2000


> Hi all,
>
> how does Zope work on Windows2000? Due to sudden "political and
> strategical" reasons, the operating system of choise for a large worldwide
> community site will be windows2000... (Microsoft visited some high
> governement official lately...)
>
> However, an existing website already exists, and is build in Zope... Now
we
> have to choose for reimplementing the entire site using all Microsoft
> technology, or installing Zope on a Windows2000 server.
>
> Of course, I don't want Zope to blame, when the server goes down because
of
> windows or has some windows-related securityholes in it... What is your
> experience with Zope on Windows2000?
>
> Some background: the site I am talking about is likely to be hacked by
> war-criminals... It is going to be the worldwide website for Sercurity,
> Peace and Justice (seated in and hosted by "Den Hague, Legal Capital")
Some
> events in the past, where war-criminals hacked sites which contained the
> "wrong" publicity material makes me believe that... Furthermore, the site
> will be very large in terms of all kind of content, delivered by many
> participants. It is believed, and the intention that the site will serve
> many visitors from all around the world...
>
> So: what should I do? Rely on all-microsoft technology, run Zope on
> Windows2000, or forget about Zope in the first place for such a tricky
> project ?
>
> I apreciate any thoughts on this...
>
> Thanks a lot! Greetings, Antwan.
>
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From andy@agmweb.ca  Tue May 22 06:13:58 2001
From: andy@agmweb.ca (Andy)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:13:58 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers
References: <3B08FA79.E8DDA416@digicool.com> <008801c0e27a$655683b0$abcc4e18@cr582427a>
Message-ID: <004901c0e27e$02333180$abcc4e18@cr582427a>

Actually one thing I should have added and just remembered is "Better
Ecommerce and SSL support". Bet that would have gotten a few votes too.
Since two polls in a row have been attacked by script kiddies they will be
offline until membership is up and running. Sorry folks.




From oliver.erlewein@sqs.de  Tue May 22 08:29:12 2001
From: oliver.erlewein@sqs.de (oliver.erlewein@sqs.de)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:29:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Periodic scripts
Message-ID: <2C5B7D6A62ADD4118EC400D0B79107757D9AFC@exge_srv1.sqs.de>

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

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	charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi

How do I start periodic jobs/scripts under Zope? Is there a product or a
script for that? I'm running under Windows NT with Zope 2.3.2.

Thanx

Oliver

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charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
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<TITLE>Periodic scripts</TITLE>
</HEAD>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi</FONT>
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Zope 2.3.2.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanx</FONT>
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From pdx4d@teleport.com  Tue May 22 08:29:21 2001
From: pdx4d@teleport.com (Kirby Urner)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:29:21 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Localhost Zope ignoring new username/pwd
In-Reply-To: <E14oRoO-0007Yp-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010522002921.014b98f8@pop3.norton.antivirus>



Using localhost Zope on WinME:

Forgot my username/password, so I followed instructions to run
zpasswd.py in a DOS box.  Gave inituser as filename to store info, 
and gave new username/password at prompts.  inituser now exists 
in the same subdirectory as zpasswd.  But on booting Zope, it pays
no attention to the new info and still won't let me in.  Help?

Kirby




From Frank Zorge" <zorge@inline-info.nl  Tue May 22 08:44:02 2001
From: Frank Zorge" <zorge@inline-info.nl (Frank Zorge)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:44:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] delete quote in strings
Message-ID: <003301c0e292$f8c904c0$38610ad5@pc1>

Hi,
Does anyone know how to delete quotes in strings, for instance delete the
quotes in: 'hello'. I tried to use string.replace but I don't get the syntax
right.
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('var',_.string.replace(var,''','')">
Or maybe there's a better way?

Thanks

Frank Zorge



From gitte@babytux.dk  Tue May 22 08:37:38 2001
From: gitte@babytux.dk (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:37:38 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Create a user admin page where an administrator can change the user roles
In-Reply-To: <990498987.1438.1.camel@locutus>
References: <01052110513008.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <990498987.1438.1.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <01052209373802.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Tuesday 22 May 2001 04:36, Bill Anderson wrote:
> On 21 May 2001 10:51:30 +0200, Gitte Wange wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have searched through the archives but couldn't find the answer I am
> > looking for:
> >
> > I need to create a page for an administrator in my portal where he can
> > assign some other roles to the Members in that portal.
> > It isnt't a problem to create the page - but I don't know what method to
> > call to update the roles ?
>
> You can see how the ZopeMembershipComponent does this by downloading it,
> and installing it to a production server if you like. (it has such a
> page)
>
> Bill

Do you have an URL to this?
Couldn't find it on zope.org

Gitte


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue May 22 08:55:22 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:55:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Error in Etailer - hope to find help here
Message-ID: <01052209552203.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

When I check out my orders in my Etailer shop, I get the following error:
TypeError

Sorry, a site error occurred.

Traceback (innermost last):
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 
223, in publish_module
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 
187, in publish
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, 
in zpublisher_exception_hook (Object: CatalogAware)
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 
171, in publish
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 
160, in mapply (Object: buy)
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 
112, in call_object (Object: buy)
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/Etailer/Cart.py, 
line 282, in buy (Object: Traversable)
File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/Etailer/OrderManager.py, 
line 115, in create_order (Object: RoleManager)
File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, 
line 538, in __call__ (Object: <string>)
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, 
line 334, in eval (Object: style().postOrder(_.None,_)) (Info: _)
File <string>, line 0, in ?
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 182, 
in __call__ (Object: postOrder)
File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, 
line 538, in __call__ (Object: postOrder)
File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/MailHost/SendMailTag.py, 
line 189, in render (Object: MailHost)
File 
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/MailHost/MailHost.py, 
line 222, in send (Object: MailHost)
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/smtplib.py, line 465, in 
sendmail 
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/smtplib.py, line 349, in 
mail
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/smtplib.py, line 118, in 
quoteaddr
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/rfc822.py, line 451, in 
parseaddr
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/rfc822.py, line 496, in 
getaddrlist
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/rfc822.py, line 504, in 
getaddress
File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/rfc822.py, line 484, in 
gotonext
TypeError: len() of unsized object

Well looks like it's the mailhost that is something wrong with but .... I'm 
not into this so please help me ..

Regards,
-- 
************************
Gitte Wange Jensen

System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From pdx4d@teleport.com  Tue May 22 08:40:49 2001
From: pdx4d@teleport.com (Kirby Urner)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:40:49 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Localhost Zope ignoring new username/pwd (2)
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010522004049.014b8438@pop3.norton.antivirus>

solved problem by renaming inituser to access

docs don't seem to care, but Zope does.

>Using localhost Zope on WinME:
>
>Forgot my username/password, so I followed instructions to run
>zpasswd.py in a DOS box.  Gave inituser as filename to store info, 
>and gave new username/password at prompts.  inituser now exists 
>in the same subdirectory as zpasswd.  But on booting Zope, it pays
>no attention to the new info and still won't let me in.  Help?
>
>Kirby




From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May 22 09:09:56 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:09:56 +0100
Subject: [Zope] deleting objects from a dtml method
References: <3B09CBF5.939AB161@bangor.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <03ff01c0e296$99bb13c0$5c773fc1@media1>

Sandy,

How's things in sunny Bangor?

You can delete objects by passing a list of things to delete to
manage_delObjects:

manage_delObjects(ids=['Thing to delete'])

You can of course pass multiple ones (but you knew that eh!).

Phil
phil.harris@zope.co.uk

aka harrisp2@cf.ac.uk


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy Britain" <iss01d@bangor.ac.uk>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:16 AM
Subject: [Zope] deleting objects from a dtml method


> Hi,
>
> I've created a ZClass in a product and then written dtml methods that
> allow users to make new objects of the class using manage_addProduct..
> and can edit the properties of a given object using
> manage_changeProperties.
>
> But I can't anywhere find the appropriate method call for deleting
> objects from their container via a dtml method,
>
>
> can anyone help?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Sandy Britain
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Tue May 22 09:11:59 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:11:59 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Python external method
In-Reply-To: <NFBBIFLELKMLLIEKAAOKIEKKCCAA.laurien@tiger.bcm.tmc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105221211010.31629-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Mon, 21 May 2001, Laurie Nason wrote:
> 	im2=im.thumbnail((size,size))
>
> <dtml-var expr="thumbnail(_['id'],128)">   Error---"not enough arguments;
> expected 2, got 1 "

   Shot in the dark: You pass one parameter to im.thumbnail. May be it
expects two.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Tue May 22 09:12:55 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:12:55 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Periodic scripts
In-Reply-To: <2C5B7D6A62ADD4118EC400D0B79107757D9AFC@exge_srv1.sqs.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105221212050.31629-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Tue, 22 May 2001 oliver.erlewein@sqs.de wrote:
> How do I start periodic jobs/scripts under Zope? Is there a product or a
> script for that? I'm running under Windows NT with Zope 2.3.2.

   There is a product named Xron. Or you can start scripts with your
scheduler or "at" and connect to Zope via HTTP or XML-RPC.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 22 09:38:42 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:38:42 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
Message-ID: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com>

Hi,

A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat client for
Zope, based on Python and hopefully using a ZEO connection to do most of the
interaction.

We're looking at both wxPython and Tkinter as possible windowing toolkits.

Which one would you choose?
Why? ;-)

cheers,

Chris


From kosh@aesaeion.com  Tue May 22 09:43:20 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 02:43:20 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105220242590.600-100000@aesaeion.com>

wxPython and if you open source it I would be interested in helping with
it.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat client for
> Zope, based on Python and hopefully using a ZEO connection to do most of the
> interaction.
>
> We're looking at both wxPython and Tkinter as possible windowing toolkits.
>
> Which one would you choose?
> Why? ;-)
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 22 09:54:47 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:54:47 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105220242590.600-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <3B0A2957.25040A6@nipltd.com>

kosh@aesaeion.com wrote:
> 
> wxPython and if you open source it I would be interested in helping with
> it.

Cool. Yes, it would be released as open source. I'm wondering when to go and get
a project on SourceForge to be honest ;-)

How does 'Swift' sound, as a name?

cheers,

Chris


From iggymax@mac.com  Tue May 22 09:56:05 2001
From: iggymax@mac.com (Ignoramus Maximus)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:56:05 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Newbie Question
Message-ID: <200105220858.f4M8whE24246@smtp21.singnet.com.sg>

Hi Eric,

Thanks for the response. Loved the <shameless plug></shamelessplug> ...
you've got great comic timing. More below:-

>First, I'd like to say that your questions are not at all trivial, and I
>had to do a lot of research to answer these questions for my own work.

>Squishdot is a product that creates sites similar to Slashdot. It looks
>nothing like a Mac site, but the graphics can be customized. See
>http://www.zope.org/Members/chrisw/Squishdot
>
>If you need more workflow features, then the CMF might be more suitable
>for you. Please read through the documentation at http://cmf.zope.org
>before you install CMF, it is a complex software package.

Thanks, I thought it wouldn't be such a brain-strain, I guess I was wrong.
I don't think I'll have a problem with trying out Squishdot at all, nor 
CMF. I know it's going to take a lot of sweat and cups of coffee.

Kinda worried bout the clients tho. They've been spoilt by the user 
friendliness of the Mac and will balk at the idea that the cms they'll
use is different.

I'm sure that one can be developed, I'm just not sure as to which tools
to utilise to build what they want. 

They want a superfast site, with lots of quicktime files (stored in MySQL)
that's easily updateable by non techs. They'll also need a workgroup 
calendar 
solution that would enable them to work collectively from remote 
locations.

I know that they sound like a big company, but they're aren't ... they 
only 
have 5 staff. But they'd like to use the site as their virtual office, 
... 
so to speak.

Oh yea .. they need loads of Flash.

><shameless plug>
>If you would like some help with this site, we do technical and creative
>consulting.
></shameless plug>

Hey! I might just need to call on you, if I can't handle this on my 
lonesome. ;)
but without going through much detail ... can you forsee 
potholes/problems?

iggy

>Eric Balasbas
>Senior Developer
>eric@virtosi.com
>
>http://www.virtosi.com/
>Virtosi Ltd.
>Design -- Branding -- Zope
>
>
>On Tue, 22 May 2001, Ignoramus Maximus wrote:
>
>> Hi There,
>>
>> I'm an absolute newbie to Zope and was hoping for some help.
>>
>> I'm jumping head first into a project for one of our creative
>> clients. I've recommended Zope over other application servers.
>> One of the requirements for the site is that we build an easy
>> mac-feeling content management system for the clients to update
>> the site as well as upload Quicktime files and change stuff
>> around. Where should I start, and what should I use?
>>
>> Another requirement would be the creation of an online calendar
>> that can be accessed by a particular workgroup. Again, where
>> would I start, and what would I use?
>>
>> Lastly, what does one charge for building a CMS solution as such?
>>
>> I appologise if the questions are trivial. Thanks for the time.
>> iggy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 22 09:58:45 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:58:45 +0100
Subject: [Zope] question about PathHandler
References: <20010516191034.32381.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B0A2A45.21D63781@nipltd.com>

Kevin L wrote:
> 
> Hi, Chris. I'm just following up with a little more information
> about my problem.
> 
> I made the changes to PathHandler.py like you suggested.
> 
> And on my server I have a folder called "testf" which contains
> one dtml document called "index_html".
> 
> In the root I have a path handler called "ph" and the Method
> value is set to "/testf/index_html".
> 
> When I try to access this via the web I get a key error on
> "testf". It also appears to restart zope whenever I do this
> because I see messages on the console.
> 
> btw, you can see this with http://test.discogs.com/ph/1
> (this is running behind apache with mod_rewrite and mod_proxy,
> if that matters)
> 
> any ideas? thanks!

Not really :-S

The list may be able to help though...

cheers,

Chris


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May 22 10:03:56 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:03:56 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <000501c0e29e$2a722e10$5c773fc1@media1>

wxPython,  has a lot more functionality from the getgo, it's also fast.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Cc: <andyd@nipltd.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:38 AM
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


> Hi,
>
> A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat client
for
> Zope, based on Python and hopefully using a ZEO connection to do most of
the
> interaction.
>
> We're looking at both wxPython and Tkinter as possible windowing toolkits.
>
> Which one would you choose?
> Why? ;-)
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 22 10:05:39 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:05:39 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com> <000501c0e29e$2a722e10$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <3B0A2BE3.A8BC2EA1@nipltd.com>

Phil Harris wrote:
> 
> wxPython,  has a lot more functionality from the getgo, it's also fast.

Phil,

you'd be a good person to ask...
How does it fair on Win NT? Is it easy to install?
Where can I (stupid Windoze user) get it from?

cheers,

Chris


From rhess@bic.ch  Tue May 22 10:05:47 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:05:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Amanda to backup ZOPE remotely
References: <990467483.3b09559be9453@marcus.localguru.de>
Message-ID: <3B0A2BEB.B946577D@bic.ch>

Marcus Schopen wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> is it a good idea to use Amanda to backup ZOPE's physical home directory
> (/home/zope) while ZOPE is active? Is it critical because of changing data.fs
> and logfiles while Amanda is trying to do its job?
> 
> Now I use rync (http://www.zope.org/Members/jrush/howto_rsync_zope).
> 
> Thank you
> Marcus
>

Hi Marcus

Actually we do use Amanda for Backup. And actually I did also already
had to play back a Data.fs after I had wreckaged a Zope installation.
All without any problem.

Most probably the backup was taken, when Data.fs was not changed at this
very moment; so you might say, okay, that's just luck.

But, first, Amanda tell's you in the log you get emailed, if ever a file
changes during the backup action, and second, Zope appends transactions
to the Data.fs. In case you have to handle a corrupt Data.fs, there is a
product called *tranalyzer* with which you should be able to truncate
the Data.fs in the right way, so that you loose maybe one transaction
but not more (however, I didn't test this myself yet).

Have a look at:

http://www.zope.org/Members/itamar/CorruptedZODB
http://www.zope.org/Members/tsarna/Tranalyzer


HTH

--Flynt--


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May 22 10:10:01 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:10:01 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com> <000501c0e29e$2a722e10$5c773fc1@media1> <3B0A2BE3.A8BC2EA1@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <001101c0e29e$fd1e1090$5c773fc1@media1>

Chris,

Fairs fine, good even.

how about www.wxpython.org, ;)

Work's good on Linux too.

I'd love to help more with this, but I know it's in good hands. 8=AC)

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>; <andyd@nipltd.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


> Phil Harris wrote:
> >
> > wxPython,  has a lot more functionality from the getgo, it's also fas=
t.
>
> Phil,
>
> you'd be a good person to ask...
> How does it fair on Win NT? Is it easy to install?
> Where can I (stupid Windoze user) get it from?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris



From Net_Seeker@web.de  Tue May 22 10:34:00 2001
From: Net_Seeker@web.de (Rudi Wurm)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:34:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] using db2.0-conform  database in  Zope
Message-ID: <200105220934.f4M9Y0u30302@mailgate3.cinetic.de>

i would like to use the Kinterbasedb-2.0 package from Alexander Kuznetsov to use a Interbase database in a Zope project. This python-module is Python DB API 2.0 compatible. What are the steps to make a database connection visible in Zope with this module ? There is also a gvidba-package out as a ready-tu-use modul for Interbase Datbases, but this is only for Version >= 6, and our database will stay at version 5.6, what only kinterbase supports.
 
thank you for any help


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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 22 10:35:30 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:35:30 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com> <005501c0e2a1$3bd0de10$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3B0A32E2.B074AB74@nipltd.com>

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> 
> Choose the one that LOOKS THE MOST NATIVE.
> The most non-userfriendly thing in X or Windows is when you get a GUI you've
> never seen before. (like WingIDE on Win32)

Thankyou ;-) Now which one out of wxPython or Tkinter is that?

cheers,

Chris


From kosh@aesaeion.com  Tue May 22 10:41:15 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:41:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <3B0A32E2.B074AB74@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105220340320.600-100000@aesaeion.com>

That would be wxPython it looks native on any platform it runs on. :) On
unix it usually uses gtk on windows it uses the regular windows libs
however there are other gui bindings available also.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:

> Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> >
> > Choose the one that LOOKS THE MOST NATIVE.
> > The most non-userfriendly thing in X or Windows is when you get a GUI you've
> > never seen before. (like WingIDE on Win32)
>
> Thankyou ;-) Now which one out of wxPython or Tkinter is that?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



From hannu@tm.ee  Tue May 22 11:28:04 2001
From: hannu@tm.ee (Hannu Krosing)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:28:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B0A3F34.AFB3F066@tm.ee>

Chris Withers wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat client for
> Zope, based on Python and hopefully using a ZEO connection to do most of the
> interaction.

So have I ;)

The plan is to do a ZEO version first and then "remote" it using some
XML-based 
protocol, most likely some extensions to current XML-RPC.

The ZEO version would run by definition with superuser privileges (i
guess), 
the remote version should be more restricted

> We're looking at both wxPython and Tkinter as possible windowing toolkits.
> 
> Which one would you choose?
> Why? ;-)

wxWindows of course.

Much more mature toolkit, more functionality out-of-box, 

Pros:

* looks native on any platform (currently only win32 and *nix, but Mac 
  seems to be in works and  possibly others too)

* has a good cross-platform editor widget (scintilla)

* fast

Cons:

* small beauty problems on GTK (tree icon background is not
transparent), 
  probably easy to fix

* native HTML rendering widget is very basic, and needs fixing specially
in 
  rendering tables (it does not even try to set column widths right). 
  OTOH it lets you embed native wxPython widgets.
  OTOOH you can always use external browser for preview.
  OTOOOH Tkinter has no HTML widget AFAIK.

Other:

* we would probably need to write special parsers for scintilla to get
most out 
  of syntax hiliting of dtml - the current ones (html and xml) are
mostly OK, but 
  could be improved upon. at least two would be needed one for SQL and
one for HTML

---------------
Hannu


From mail@peterbe.com  Tue May 22 10:25:36 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:25:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <005501c0e2a1$3bd0de10$1c64a8c0@PBN>

> We're looking at both wxPython and Tkinter as possible windowing toolkits.
>
> Which one would you choose?
> Why? ;-)

Easy easy.

Choose the one that LOOKS THE MOST NATIVE.
The most non-userfriendly thing in X or Windows is when you get a GUI you've
never seen before. (like WingIDE on Win32)

>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue May 22 11:45:00 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:45:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Error in Etailer - hope to find help here
In-Reply-To: <01052209552203.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <01052209552203.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <0105221245000B.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Well Norman Khine helped me with an solution. Anybody else with this problem?
Let me know and I'll post Norman's mail.

Gitte

On Tuesday 22 May 2001 09:55, Gitte Wange wrote:
> Hello,
>
> When I check out my orders in my Etailer shop, I get the following error:
> TypeError
>
> Sorry, a site error occurred.
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
> line 223, in publish_module
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
> line 187, in publish
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line
> 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook (Object: CatalogAware)
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
> line 171, in publish
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line
> 160, in mapply (Object: buy)
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
> line 112, in call_object (Object: buy)
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/Etailer/Cart.py,
> line 282, in buy (Object: Traversable)
> File
> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/Etailer/OrderManager.p
>y, line 115, in create_order (Object: RoleManager)
> File
> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
> line 538, in __call__ (Object: <string>)
> File
> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py,
> line 334, in eval (Object: style().postOrder(_.None,_)) (Info: _)
> File <string>, line 0, in ?
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line
> 182, in __call__ (Object: postOrder)
> File
> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
> line 538, in __call__ (Object: postOrder)
> File
> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/MailHost/SendMailTag.p
>y, line 189, in render (Object: MailHost)
> File
> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/MailHost/MailHost.py,
> line 222, in send (Object: MailHost)
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/smtplib.py, line 465,
> in sendmail
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/smtplib.py, line 349,
> in mail
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/smtplib.py, line 118,
> in quoteaddr
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/rfc822.py, line 451, in
> parseaddr
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/rfc822.py, line 496, in
> getaddrlist
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/rfc822.py, line 504, in
> getaddress
> File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/lib/python1.5/rfc822.py, line 484, in
> gotonext
> TypeError: len() of unsized object
>
> Well looks like it's the mailhost that is something wrong with but .... I'm
> not into this so please help me ..
>
> Regards,


From mail@peterbe.com  Tue May 22 11:52:55 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:52:55 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com> <005501c0e2a1$3bd0de10$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3B0A32E2.B074AB74@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <009001c0e2ad$e4d77940$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Well to be honest I'm not too sure on Linux but in the Windows world most
Tkinter apps are horrible and the only one that is getting close is IDLE
written by Guido et al.
wxPython is my bet.
The worst alternative is probably Java and it won't help with that Swing
thing they have because that will just make it even slower. I dislike Java
because using it feels like a completely new windows system.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


> Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> >
> > Choose the one that LOOKS THE MOST NATIVE.
> > The most non-userfriendly thing in X or Windows is when you get a GUI
you've
> > never seen before. (like WingIDE on Win32)
>
> Thankyou ;-) Now which one out of wxPython or Tkinter is that?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris



From philippe.jadin@123piano.com  Tue May 22 11:56:57 2001
From: philippe.jadin@123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:56:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie Question
References: <200105220858.f4M8whE24246@smtp21.singnet.com.sg>
Message-ID: <008b01c0e2ae$8c3d7a40$e399043e@r3g4p8>

> They want a superfast site, with lots of quicktime files (stored in MySQL)
> that's easily updateable by non techs.

If you want it superfast, you'd better not store the files in mysql, but
directly in the filesytem. Imho, it's allways better to store big files in
the filesytem, and having a reference to them in a mysql db (filename, path,
etc...)

Just my $0.02

Philippe



From philippe.jadin@123piano.com  Tue May 22 11:52:23 2001
From: philippe.jadin@123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:52:23 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre1
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010521130537.13322A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <008a01c0e2ae$8b95a180$e399043e@r3g4p8>

Hello,

Just found what's so great about Zshell : it's some kind of language created
to update a oodb. My question : is there something like sql for oodb? If
not, I think the "shell-paradigm" is an excellent idea for this kind of
language.

Keep up the good work !

Philippe

> I'm pleased to announce the availability of ZShell 1.0pre1.
>
> ZShell is an external Zope method which allows you to
> manipulate the ZODB using standard unix shell's commands
> from within Zope's Management Interface in your web
> browser.
>
> You can download it from:
>
> http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/




From subrahmanyan.kalathur@wipro.com  Tue May 22 12:10:17 2001
From: subrahmanyan.kalathur@wipro.com (K H Subrahmanyan)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:10:17 +0500
Subject: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98
Message-ID: <169a818a2e.18a2e169a8@wipro.com>

hi, 
  I am using zope for my project.
I know how to run the zope server in the background in linux server.
( it is : ./start &)
I would like to know how to run the zope server in the background in 
windows platform.

Thanks in advance.
K.H.Subrahmanyan.



From lucas.hofman@oslo.pgs.com  Tue May 22 12:20:45 2001
From: lucas.hofman@oslo.pgs.com (Lucas Hofman)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:20:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Misterious error
Message-ID: <0105229905.AA990530630@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

Now and then I see the following error on the terminal from which Zope
was started (when running in debug mode):

2001-05-22T09:18:33 ERROR(200) ZServer uncaptured python exception,
closing channel <FCGIChannel connected 127.0.0.1:4983 at 9fe5cc0>
(socket.error:(32, 'Broken pipe')
[/usr/share/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/medusa/asynchat.py|initiate_send|211]
[/usr/share/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|send|282])

Zope is activated by an Apache Server via en FCGI connection. Zope
2.3.2/CMF1.0.

Anybody knows what this is?

-- 
Lucas Hofman
PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373




From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May 22 12:27:36 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:27:36 +0100
Subject: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98
References: <169a818a2e.18a2e169a8@wipro.com>
Message-ID: <006901c0e2b2$340f7c20$5c773fc1@media1>

What version of windows is it?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "K H Subrahmanyan" <subrahmanyan.kalathur@wipro.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:10 PM
Subject: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98


> hi, 
>   I am using zope for my project.
> I know how to run the zope server in the background in linux server.
> ( it is : ./start &)
> I would like to know how to run the zope server in the background in 
> windows platform.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> K.H.Subrahmanyan.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
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From tane@zzict.nl  Tue May 22 12:26:35 2001
From: tane@zzict.nl (Tane Piper)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:26:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98
References: <169a818a2e.18a2e169a8@wipro.com>
Message-ID: <00ee01c0e2b2$0fd55870$0500a8c0@tane>


> hi, 
>   I am using zope for my project.
> I know how to run the zope server in the background in linux server.
> ( it is : ./start &)
> I would like to know how to run the zope server in the background in 
> windows platform.
> 


Under Windows 2000 and NT4, you can run it as a win32 service.

Tane Piper - Lead Designer
ZZICT Entertainment
http://www.legiongame.nl



From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May 22 12:52:36 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:52:36 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Misterious error
References: <0105229905.AA990530630@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
Message-ID: <3B0A5304.E2411C29@digicool.com>

It ususally means someone has pressed the "stop" button in their browser
before all the data for a request has been sent to the client.   IOW, it
means that a TCP connection has been closed prematurely.

THis should really not result in this error to the console, but it
does.  I think we're trying to catch this exception for 2.4.

- C


Lucas Hofman wrote:
> 
> Now and then I see the following error on the terminal from which Zope
> was started (when running in debug mode):
> 
> 2001-05-22T09:18:33 ERROR(200) ZServer uncaptured python exception,
> closing channel <FCGIChannel connected 127.0.0.1:4983 at 9fe5cc0>
> (socket.error:(32, 'Broken pipe')
> [/usr/share/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/medusa/asynchat.py|initiate_send|211]
> [/usr/share/Zope-2.3.2-linux2-x86/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|send|282])
> 
> Zope is activated by an Apache Server via en FCGI connection. Zope
> 2.3.2/CMF1.0.
> 
> Anybody knows what this is?
> 
> --
> Lucas Hofman
> PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
> PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
> N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373
> 
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From e.seifert@gmx.net  Tue May 22 14:03:06 2001
From: e.seifert@gmx.net (E. Seifert)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:03:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Cache invalidation using DTML
Message-ID: <004501c0e2bf$8b8712d0$1b00000a@e700>

Hi list,

how do I invalidate objects (e.g. DTML Documents) using DTML?

Thanks in advance
Eric




From db@konsylo.com  Tue May 22 14:05:35 2001
From: db@konsylo.com (Damir Bartakovic)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:05:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] AW: [Zope-Annce] Formulator 0.9.1 released
In-Reply-To: <20010513222010.A29352@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <JNEGJDHOLGJOMEABNMMAGEIKCAAA.db@konsylo.com>

Did anybody tried to get Formulator to work?

I get following error when I testing a field and don't enter the right
value.

Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: not enough arguments; expected 3, got 2

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: email_f)
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: fieldTest)
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object
    (Object: fieldTest)
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 324, in
__call__
    (Object: fieldTest)
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, line 354, in
_bindAndExec
    (Object: fieldTest)
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 236, in _exec
    (Object: fieldTest)
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Try.py, line 212, in render
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Try.py, line 221, in
render_try_except
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/Products/ZDebug/DTMLDebug.py, line 259, in
debug_render_blocks
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/Products/ZDebug/DTMLDebug.py, line 239, in
debugException
  File /usr/zope/lib/python/Products/ZDebug/DTMLDebug.py, line 184, in
debugWithNamespace
TypeError: (see above)

If I enter a proper value, everything is alright!
Any hints?
cheers
Damir



From caz@tcdi.com  Tue May 22 14:31:37 2001
From: caz@tcdi.com (Corey Zimmet)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:31:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope] RE: Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <E14Vcdo-0003Xw-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <EMEBLHHNMMONGIHFFHOCOEAFCBAA.caz@tcdi.com>

If you do go with wxPython,  there is a pretty good open source IDE called
boa constructor. It can be found at:

http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/

It was written in wxPython and runs on both Windows and Linux. It also has
some support for Zope.

Corey



From wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de  Tue May 22 14:40:02 2001
From: wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de (Andreas Wandel)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:40:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] (no subject)
Message-ID: <990538802.3b0a6c3285179@mailhost.math.uni-potsdam.de>

Hello,

I am new to python !

I want to pass an argument to an external method. The argument is an
dtml document (more precisely: the content of the document).
I tried this:

<dtml-var ExternalMethod(<dtml-var DtmlDocument>)>

This produces a "parse error". I guess there have to be some quotes or
brackets - but where?

Thank's in advance

Andreas


From sturm@oliver-sturm.de  Tue May 22 14:47:58 2001
From: sturm@oliver-sturm.de (Oliver Sturm)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:47:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Getting the day from a Timestamp / gvibda
Message-ID: <33530000.990539278@lpc5>

Hi!

I have a query returning a timestamp column from my interbase 6 database
using the Going Virtual database adapter. I want to extract the values of
the day/month/year ... from the variable. I tried this

<dtml-var date_column fmt="%d"> 

for the day, but it doesn't work, probably because the variable's type is
not the usual python DateTime. Similarly, this

<dtml-var "_.DateTime(date_column).day()">

doesn't work either. <dtml-var date_column> renders a nice string
representation, so I don't really understand why the above will not work,
but that's certainly my lack of python concept. 

Ok, now I found out that date_column is actually of a type called
Timestamp, which is defined in some way in the gvibda sources. That class
has a method tuple,

    def tuple(self):
        return (self.year, self.month, self.day,
                self.hour, self.minute, self.second)

which seems to return everything I need. But how do I call that thing? In
fact, every time I write something like 

<dtml-var "date_column.tuple()"> or
<dtml-var "_.date_column.tuple()">

I get some Unauthorized exception for no apparent reason. Wow...

Now, much text, most important question: How can I extract the values I
need from that variable? Can anyone help, please?

Oliver

-- 
Oliver Sturm / <sturm@oliver-sturm.de>



From paz@oratrix.com  Tue May 22 14:50:45 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:50:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c0e2b2$0fd55870$0500a8c0@tane>
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGEAACFAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Under any Windows version all the way down to win95 first ed, you can enter
a registry key to start a program:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Run

Add a string called Zope or whatever you want it to be called
Modify the value to contain the path and filename of the script or in
windoze case the .bat file that will start the Zserver.

Keep in mind that this will give you the gratuitous DOS window that will
basically stay there until you dont mind Zope dying with it. Removing the -D
option, you will probably get a window that you can close without killing
zope, but cant say I've ever tried it. If you have a problem with this, then
my only suggestion is get a real operating system, and I dont mean windows
2000... IMHO... ; )

Paz

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tane
Piper
Sent: 22 May 2001 13:27
To: K H Subrahmanyan; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98




> hi,
>   I am using zope for my project.
> I know how to run the zope server in the background in linux server.
> ( it is : ./start &)
> I would like to know how to run the zope server in the background in
> windows platform.
>


Under Windows 2000 and NT4, you can run it as a win32 service.

Tane Piper - Lead Designer
ZZICT Entertainment
http://www.legiongame.nl


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From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue May 22 14:53:07 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:53:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Getting the day from a Timestamp / gvibda
In-Reply-To: <33530000.990539278@lpc5>
References: <33530000.990539278@lpc5>
Message-ID: <0105221553070K.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Tuesday 22 May 2001 15:47, Oliver Sturm wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have a query returning a timestamp column from my interbase 6 database
> using the Going Virtual database adapter. I want to extract the values of
> the day/month/year ... from the variable. I tried this
>
> <dtml-var date_column fmt="%d">
>
> for the day, but it doesn't work, probably because the variable's type is
> not the usual python DateTime. Similarly, this
>
> <dtml-var "_.DateTime(date_column).day()">

Have you tried with:
<dtml-var "_.DateTime(date_column).strftime('%d')">

??

Gitte


From Frank Zorge" <zorge@inline-info.nl  Tue May 22 15:02:47 2001
From: Frank Zorge" <zorge@inline-info.nl (Frank Zorge)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:02:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Delete quotes in strings
Message-ID: <00d901c0e2c7$e15fdfe0$38610ad5@pc1>

Hi,
Does anyone know how to delete quotes in strings, for instance delete the
quotes in: 'hello'. I tried to use string.replace but I don't get the syntax
right.
<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('var',_.string.replace(var,''',' ')">
Or maybe there's a better way?

Thanks

Frank Zorge




From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May 22 15:00:46 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:00:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98
References: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGEAACFAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c0e2c7$9b888a80$5c773fc1@media1>

If you were to put something like :

<pythondir>/pythonw.exe <zopedir>/z2.py -other params

Then it shouldn't give you a dos window.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Zwarts" <paz@oratrix.com>
To: "Zope" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 2:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98


> Under any Windows version all the way down to win95 first ed, you can
enter
> a registry key to start a program:
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Run
>
> Add a string called Zope or whatever you want it to be called
> Modify the value to contain the path and filename of the script or in
> windoze case the .bat file that will start the Zserver.
>
> Keep in mind that this will give you the gratuitous DOS window that will
> basically stay there until you dont mind Zope dying with it. Removing
the -D
> option, you will probably get a window that you can close without killing
> zope, but cant say I've ever tried it. If you have a problem with this,
then
> my only suggestion is get a real operating system, and I dont mean windows
> 2000... IMHO... ; )
>
> Paz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tane
> Piper
> Sent: 22 May 2001 13:27
> To: K H Subrahmanyan; zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98
>
>
>
>
> > hi,
> >   I am using zope for my project.
> > I know how to run the zope server in the background in linux server.
> > ( it is : ./start &)
> > I would like to know how to run the zope server in the background in
> > windows platform.
> >
>
>
> Under Windows 2000 and NT4, you can run it as a win32 service.
>
> Tane Piper - Lead Designer
> ZZICT Entertainment
> http://www.legiongame.nl
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> (Related lists -
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>
>
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From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Tue May 22 15:00:46 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:00:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98
References: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGEAACFAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c0e2c7$a1c25250$5c773fc1@media1>

If you were to put something like :

<pythondir>/pythonw.exe <zopedir>/z2.py -other params

Then it shouldn't give you a dos window.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Zwarts" <paz@oratrix.com>
To: "Zope" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 2:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98


> Under any Windows version all the way down to win95 first ed, you can
enter
> a registry key to start a program:
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Run
>
> Add a string called Zope or whatever you want it to be called
> Modify the value to contain the path and filename of the script or in
> windoze case the .bat file that will start the Zserver.
>
> Keep in mind that this will give you the gratuitous DOS window that will
> basically stay there until you dont mind Zope dying with it. Removing
the -D
> option, you will probably get a window that you can close without killing
> zope, but cant say I've ever tried it. If you have a problem with this,
then
> my only suggestion is get a real operating system, and I dont mean windows
> 2000... IMHO... ; )
>
> Paz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tane
> Piper
> Sent: 22 May 2001 13:27
> To: K H Subrahmanyan; zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98
>
>
>
>
> > hi,
> >   I am using zope for my project.
> > I know how to run the zope server in the background in linux server.
> > ( it is : ./start &)
> > I would like to know how to run the zope server in the background in
> > windows platform.
> >
>
>
> Under Windows 2000 and NT4, you can run it as a win32 service.
>
> Tane Piper - Lead Designer
> ZZICT Entertainment
> http://www.legiongame.nl
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From Klaus Herrmann <klaus.herrmann@goelz.com>  Tue May 22 16:59:30 2001
From: Klaus Herrmann <klaus.herrmann@goelz.com> (Klaus Herrmann)
Date: 22 May 2001 15:59:30 CEST
Subject: [Zope] still dtml-tree
Message-ID: <200105221400.f4ME0po49843@mail.goelz.com>

Hi!

This dtml-tree problem with "hidden" folders again: if i do

<dtml-tree>
 <dtml-unless hidden>
  <dtml-var id>
 </dtml-unless>
</dtml-tree>

it will work fine for folders that do not contain subfolders. otherwise, this
[+] will be displayed (what is really not acceptable). do you see any chance do
arrange this with the branches_expr="objectValues(['Folder'])" call? that would
be great!

thanks in advance!

	Klaus

-- 
Klaus Herrmann <klaus.herrmann@goelz.com>
Goelz & Schwarz GmbH, Munich
www.goelz.com
phone:+49 - (0)89 - 544 67 0 22
fax: +49 - (0)89 - 544 67 0 10



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Tue May 22 15:05:59 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:05:59 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <990538802.3b0a6c3285179@mailhost.math.uni-potsdam.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105221804530.3889-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Andreas Wandel wrote:
> I am new to python !

   Welcome!

> I want to pass an argument to an external method. The argument is an
> dtml document (more precisely: the content of the document).
> I tried this:
>
> <dtml-var ExternalMethod(<dtml-var DtmlDocument>)>
>
> This produces a "parse error". I guess there have to be some quotes or
> brackets - but where?

   You've made so many errors here. I cannot list all these errors - you
better go and read docs. Good luck!
   And remember - no DTML inside DTML!

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Tue May 22 15:11:52 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:11:52 -0600
Subject: [Zope] (no subject)
References: <990538802.3b0a6c3285179@mailhost.math.uni-potsdam.de>
Message-ID: <3B0A73A8.9FB758@kaivo.com>

Andreas Wandel wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am new to python !
> 
> I want to pass an argument to an external method. The argument is an
> dtml document (more precisely: the content of the document).
> I tried this:
> 
> <dtml-var ExternalMethod(<dtml-var DtmlDocument>)>

You cannot nest dtml tags inside one another like that. If you want to
pass the rendered content of a DTML document to the method use:

<dtml-var expr="ExtMethod(DTMLDocument(_.None,_))">

The weird arguments to the Document are used to pass the namespace to
the document. If you want to just pass the whole document object, you
can just use:

<dtml-var expr="ExtMethod(DTMLDocument)">

> 
> This produces a "parse error". I guess there have to be some quotes or
> brackets - but where?
> 
> Thank's in advance
> 
> Andreas
> 

hth
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From sturm@oliver-sturm.de  Tue May 22 15:20:22 2001
From: sturm@oliver-sturm.de (Oliver Sturm)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:20:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Getting the day from a Timestamp / gvibda
In-Reply-To: <0105221553070K.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <36080000.990541222@lpc5>

On 22.05.2001 15:53:07 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> wrote:

>> I have a query returning a timestamp column from my interbase 6 database
>> using the Going Virtual database adapter. I want to extract the values of
>> the day/month/year ... from the variable. I tried this
>> 
>> <dtml-var date_column fmt="%d">
>> 
>> for the day, but it doesn't work, probably because the variable's type is
>> not the usual python DateTime. Similarly, this
>> 
>> <dtml-var "_.DateTime(date_column).day()">
> 
> Have you tried with:
> <dtml-var "_.DateTime(date_column).strftime('%d')">

Yes, I had tried that before. It gives me a "NameError" with the "Error
value" being "date_column". Thanks...

Oliver

-- 
Oliver Sturm / <sturm@oliver-sturm.de>



From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue May 22 15:22:13 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:22:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Getting the day from a Timestamp / gvibda
In-Reply-To: <36080000.990541222@lpc5>
References: <36080000.990541222@lpc5>
Message-ID: <0105221622130N.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Tuesday 22 May 2001 16:20, Oliver Sturm wrote:
> On 22.05.2001 15:53:07 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> wrote:
> >> I have a query returning a timestamp column from my interbase 6 database
> >> using the Going Virtual database adapter. I want to extract the values
> >> of the day/month/year ... from the variable. I tried this
> >>
> >> <dtml-var date_column fmt="%d">
> >>
> >> for the day, but it doesn't work, probably because the variable's type
> >> is not the usual python DateTime. Similarly, this
> >>
> >> <dtml-var "_.DateTime(date_column).day()">
> >
> > Have you tried with:
> > <dtml-var "_.DateTime(date_column).strftime('%d')">
>
> Yes, I had tried that before. It gives me a "NameError" with the "Error
> value" being "date_column". Thanks...
>
> Oliver


Maybe it's the date_column that is wrong???

Gitte


From philippe.jadin@123piano.com  Tue May 22 13:02:04 2001
From: philippe.jadin@123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:02:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105220242590.600-100000@aesaeion.com> <3B0A2957.25040A6@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <010501c0e2cb$a0cb7260$e399043e@r3g4p8>

> Cool. Yes, it would be released as open source. I'm wondering when to go
and get
> a project on SourceForge to be honest ;-)

Let me tell you that this seems great and important news for the zope
community. I have the strong feeling that an ide would boost zope popularity
/ usability / enduser power.

I think some ide has been built for frontier (radio userland :
http://radio.userland.com/download.html ).
I have no idea if it worth looking at, but maybe there are some good ideas
there.

Anyway, may the luck be with you !

Philippe



From sturm@oliver-sturm.de  Tue May 22 15:35:21 2001
From: sturm@oliver-sturm.de (Oliver Sturm)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:35:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Getting the day from a Timestamp / gvibda
In-Reply-To: <0105221622130N.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <40660000.990542121@lpc5>

On 22.05.2001 16:22:13 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> wrote:

>> >> I have a query returning a timestamp column from my interbase 6
>> >> database using the Going Virtual database adapter. I want to extract
>> >> the values of the day/month/year ... from the variable. I tried this
>> >> 
>> >> <dtml-var date_column fmt="%d">
>> >> 
>> >> for the day, but it doesn't work, probably because the variable's type
>> >> is not the usual python DateTime. Similarly, this
>> >> 
>> >> <dtml-var "_.DateTime(date_column).day()">
>> > 
>> > Have you tried with:
>> > <dtml-var "_.DateTime(date_column).strftime('%d')">
>> 
>> Yes, I had tried that before. It gives me a "NameError" with the "Error
>> value" being "date_column". Thanks...
> 
> Maybe it's the date_column that is wrong???

You were right, but that doesn't change my problem... I had mistyped the
column's name when I retried that version in response to your mail. Now,
what I really get as an error message is an "AttributeError", the "Error
value" being "__int__". I had that before and I think it means that the
variable can't be rendered to an integer, as python thinks it should
because it doesn't know that the variable is supposed to contain a date
value.

Oliver

-- 
Oliver Sturm / <sturm@oliver-sturm.de>



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 22 15:36:25 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:36:25 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com> <3B0A3F34.AFB3F066@tm.ee>
Message-ID: <3B0A7969.7E5FADD9@nipltd.com>

Hannu Krosing wrote:
> 
> Chris Withers wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat client for
> > Zope, based on Python and hopefully using a ZEO connection to do most of the
> > interaction.
> 
> So have I ;)

What's the best way for us to pool efforts?

cheers,

Chris


From burt@dfki.de  Tue May 22 15:37:36 2001
From: burt@dfki.de (Alastair Burt)
Date: 22 May 2001 16:37:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com>
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <vg8zjp8n67.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>

Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:

> A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat client for
> Zope

What is a fat client?  

On a related note (I think?), how hard would it be to build a Groove-like
system with ZEO?  I have never used Groove, but it sounds like a useful
groupware tool for everyman.  If the basis of Groove is incremental
synchronisation of shared databases, then ZEO seems to offer similar
functionality, especially if it encrypted the synchronisation protocol,
which is what you, Chris, mentioned doing in a previous post.

--- Alastair



From bkc@murkworks.com  Tue May 22 15:57:34 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:57:34 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Getting the day from a Timestamp / gvibda
In-Reply-To: <33530000.990539278@lpc5>
Message-ID: <3B0A4273.24602.38916AF5@localhost>

On 22 May 2001, at 15:47, Oliver Sturm wrote:

> I have a query returning a timestamp column from my interbase 6 database
> using the Going Virtual database adapter. I want to extract the values of
> the day/month/year ... from the variable. I tried this

Here are two Extension methods I use.. Pick one

def FormatDate(date,format="%a, %B %d %H:%M"):
    """format the date object"""
    if not date:
        return "[unknown]"
    t = list(date.tuple())
    if len(t) < 9:
        t.append(0)
        t.append(0)
        t.append(-1)
    
    return time.strftime(format,t)

def DateTimeCast(s):
    """convert an interbase Timestamp to datetime"""
    if not s: return s
    try:
        return apply(DateTime,s.tuple())
    except AttributeError:
        return DateTime(s)


<dtml-var "_.DateTime(date_column.tuple()).day()">



Based on this, I think this DTML might work

Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements


From bill@libc.org  Tue May 22 15:47:13 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 22 May 2001 08:47:13 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Re: Create a user admin page where an administrator can change the
 user roles
In-Reply-To: <01052209373802.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <01052110513008.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
 <990498987.1438.1.camel@locutus>
 <01052209373802.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <990542833.2801.0.camel@locutus>

On 22 May 2001 09:37:38 +0200, Gitte Wange wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 May 2001 04:36, Bill Anderson wrote:
> > On 21 May 2001 10:51:30 +0200, Gitte Wange wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I have searched through the archives but couldn't find the answer I am
> > > looking for:
> > >
> > > I need to create a page for an administrator in my portal where he can
> > > assign some other roles to the Members in that portal.
> > > It isnt't a problem to create the page - but I don't know what method to
> > > call to update the roles ?
> >
> > You can see how the ZopeMembershipComponent does this by downloading it,
> > and installing it to a production server if you like. (it has such a
> > page)
> >
> > Bill
> 
> Do you have an URL to this?
> Couldn't find it on zope.org
> 

http://www.zope.org/Members/Bill/Products/Membership
http://zmc.immortalitysystems.net




From bservies@pacang.com  Tue May 22 15:44:08 2001
From: bservies@pacang.com (Byron Servies)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <200105221442.HAA00050@dns.pacang.com>

Hi,

You might also want to take a look at:

http://www.kompany.com/products/blackadder

Byron

On Tuesday, May 22, 2001, at 01:38 AM, Chris Withers wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat 
> client for
> Zope, based on Python and hopefully using a ZEO connection to do most 
> of the
> interaction.
>
> We're looking at both wxPython and Tkinter as possible windowing 
> toolkits.
>
> Which one would you choose?
> Why? ;-)
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
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> (Related lists -
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>


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Tue May 22 15:53:15 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:53:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: Create a user admin page where an administrator can change the user roles
In-Reply-To: <990542833.2801.0.camel@locutus>
References: <01052110513008.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <01052209373802.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <990542833.2801.0.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <0105221653150Q.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Tuesday 22 May 2001 16:47, Bill Anderson wrote:
> On 22 May 2001 09:37:38 +0200, Gitte Wange wrote:
> > On Tuesday 22 May 2001 04:36, Bill Anderson wrote:
> > > On 21 May 2001 10:51:30 +0200, Gitte Wange wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I have searched through the archives but couldn't find the answer I
> > > > am looking for:
> > > >
> > > > I need to create a page for an administrator in my portal where he
> > > > can assign some other roles to the Members in that portal.
> > > > It isnt't a problem to create the page - but I don't know what method
> > > > to call to update the roles ?
> > >
> > > You can see how the ZopeMembershipComponent does this by downloading
> > > it, and installing it to a production server if you like. (it has such
> > > a page)
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
> > Do you have an URL to this?
> > Couldn't find it on zope.org
>
> http://www.zope.org/Members/Bill/Products/Membership
> http://zmc.immortalitysystems.net

I am already using CMF ...
Do I really need to install this product to find out what method to call in 
Zope in order to change the roles of a user ???

Gitte


From aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu  Tue May 22 15:55:18 2001
From: aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu (albert boulanger)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:55:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <vg8zjp8n67.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de> (message from Alastair
 Burt on 22 May 2001 16:37:36 +0200)
Message-ID: <200105221455.KAA29811@ox.ldgo.columbia.edu>


   On a related note (I think?), how hard would it be to build a Groove-like
   system with ZEO?  I have never used Groove, but it sounds like a useful
   groupware tool for everyman.  If the basis of Groove is incremental
   synchronisation of shared databases, then ZEO seems to offer similar
   functionality, especially if it encrypted the synchronisation protocol,
   which is what you, Chris, mentioned doing in a previous post.

   --- Alastair


We at vPatch have also been looking at another P2P system called Magi
--  www.endtech.com .  It is just coming out with a killer work flow
system with explicit work flow -- ie the work flow states are displayed
as a work flow graph which I think is necessary when you get more
complex work flows.

This leads me to the question. Does DC have a strategy for P2P? In our
opinion the Application Service Provider model will be superceeded by
P2P.


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@vpatch.com
vPatch Technologies
http://www.vpatch.com


From kthangavelu@earthlink.net  Tue May 22 09:10:32 2001
From: kthangavelu@earthlink.net (ender)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:10:32 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com>
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <01052201103202.00651@linux>

On Tuesday 22 May 2001 01:38, Chris Withers wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat client
>> for Zope, based on Python and hopefully using a ZEO connection to do most
>> of the interaction.
>>
>>We're looking at both wxPython and Tkinter as possible windowing toolkits.
>>
>>Which one would you choose?
>>Why? ;-)

pyQT, 

very mature cross platform high performance, graphically rich toolkit, 
support for internationalization, new support for macs, runs on embedded 
devices (zope admin for the palm:), lots of features. ibm's investing for 
voice recoginition. qtdesigner is very nice gui design environment with xml 
xports that will allow code generation for all supported platforms. qt3.0 has 
some nice db/io abstractions in the toolkit. the windows version is not free 
but if you're willing to plop down some change for a dev. license you can 
release a windows version. the x win stuff is gpl'd

http://www.trolltech.com (qt trolls)

http://www.thekompany.com  (its under their projects section for pyqt).

btw. you should maybe have a look at wingide.com and check out their patches 
to interface to zope.

cheers

kapil


From paz@oratrix.com  Tue May 22 16:12:12 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:12:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ARGH !! SQLSession!
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAOEAGCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Help me PLEAAASE!

I am using the SQLsession product to use environment settings that are
invisible to the user and sensitive to the session.

Every so often without fail I get a KeyError about a session parameter. It
DOES EXIST! Im not sure what to do to look into it. I've used SQLSession
reliably in the past and Im confused where to look for the fault.

I have a feeling that the PoPy201 adapter isnt working properly (I get hangs
several times a day needing a restart), but I dont see how this would affect
SQLsession at work. Is it possible that a hung thread in PoPy is
dissallowing SQLSession from doing its SELECT statement causing it to return
an error?

Paz





From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Tue May 22 16:33:58 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:33:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] RE: Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <EMEBLHHNMMONGIHFFHOCOEAFCBAA.caz@tcdi.com>
Message-ID: <007101c0e2d4$9ee92ec0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

I think everyone agrees that wxPython is a much nicer GUI than TKinter to
use to program with. Plus the BoaConstructor it makes a natural match for
FatZopeClient.

COM
On Win 32 it is quite easy to use COOM inside wxPython. this means embedding
Internet Explorer control, MSOffice stuff, Flash Controls, etc can save a
lot of time, gain rapid {Windoze} built-in functionality. Prototyping can be
very fast. For businesses that neeed to connect to existing Win32 like
Access+ODBC, a FatZopeClient like this would make very compelling
application. It is very nice for to use IE when you don't have all MS
toolbars and logo in your face :-)

I am 100% in favour of cross-platform, but I also think it foolish to ignore
the myriad advantages of allowing strong COM access by a FatZopeCLient.

MAC ?
By only concern about wxPython vs. TKinter is lack of Macintosh support...
Does anyone here have Mac wxPython experience?

It would be a real shame if Macs could not be consistently supported by the
IDE. I think it is possible to have wxWindows/ wxPython running on Macs, but
my impression is that Mac support is out of sync, and lagging behind. EPople
are working it. How hard I don't know.. MacOSX will no doubt improve this
dilemma. Compatibility really needs to be checked out.

An older [January 2000] Mac Port by Stefan Csomor is
http://www.advanced.ch/wxwin/
There are newer 'unstable 'versions moved to Sourceforge..

<quote from wxWindows MAc page http://www.wxwindows.org/dl_mac2.htm>
wxWindows 2.3.0 for Mac
Description:  wxWindows 2.3.0 for MacOS 9.x and MacOS X. This is an
'unstable' development snapshot, for people interested in the new features
in the development branch and prepared to put up with glitches that may not
occur in the stable release. However, it is recommended that this snapshot
is used in preference to the 'stable' release since the latter is quite old
now.
<quote>
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=9863



Scintilla
wxPython uses Scintilla, so you get all that nice code folding and syntax
coloring built in. Same as in PythonWin. There is basic Python Shell and
editor examnples in the wxPython demo apps which come with the download.
Very nice!

Grids + Trees
xwPython has great tree + grid tools. Allows one to do smooth dynmaic
reszing, pasting of objects [text, number, image..]. Cut'n'Paste :) This
could be really useful for displaying ZODB, catalogs etc. Much better than
clunky HTML table redraw crap.

wxDesigner
Another tool for wxWindows is wxDesigner.

<quote http://www.roebling.de/info.html>
wxDesigner is a tool written to make creating dialogs for wxWindows based
programs easy and fast.
..snip..
Another problem when writing dialogs using the wxWindows library is that
some users might want to make use of the RAD features of the Python bindings
during development, but create a native binary using C++ at the end. This
would entail rewriting (or at least reediting considerably) all dialog
related code.

wxDesigner offers a solution to both problems. Its interface allows anyone
somewhat familiar with wxWindows to create aesthetically pleasant and
cross-platform dialogs in a matter of minutes. Higher-level features such as
supporting copy/cut/paste, infinite undo/redo and previewing make quick
testing easy and safe. Additionally, all dialogs can be used in both C++ and
Python (and most recently Perl) - making co-development easier than ever.
</quote>

It is a commercial tool which may pay for itelf quickly enough, depending on
what what you need to do.
While BOA is a wxPython IDE, wxDesigner is something for one's authoring
toolbox. For standalone development or working on modules. Dialogs made with
it are easy to use in wxPython/BOA.

./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 22 16:30:07 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:30:07 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <200105221442.HAA00050@dns.pacang.com>
Message-ID: <3B0A85FF.CD0E47FB@nipltd.com>


Byron Servies wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You might also want to take a look at:
> 
> http://www.kompany.com/products/blackadder

didn't work for me...

Chris


From andreas@easyleading.org  Tue May 22 16:31:36 2001
From: andreas@easyleading.org (Andreas Heckel)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:31:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
Message-ID: <3B0A8658.B1A4040C@easyleading.org>

I don't want to initiate a Browser compatibility flame war.
But is it necessity to bother all zope.org visitors with that 
zopelogo.png ? Please have a look at your User Agent statistic.
There are many users who are using Netscape 4.x. This browser is
unable to render transparent png images in proper style. 
    
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
Andreas Heckel                                  andreas@easyleading.org
LINUX is like a wigwam...no gates...no windows and an apache inside ;-)


From bservies@pacang.com  Tue May 22 16:31:28 2001
From: bservies@pacang.com (Byron Servies)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 08:31:28 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <3B0A85FF.CD0E47FB@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <200105221529.IAA00543@dns.pacang.com>

On Tuesday, May 22, 2001, at 08:30 AM, Chris Withers wrote:

>
>
> Byron Servies wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You might also want to take a look at:
>>
>> http://www.kompany.com/products/blackadder
>
> didn't work for me...

Ack.  Sorry, sorry:

http://www.thekompany.com/products/blackadder

It's a pyQT IDE.

Byron


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 22 16:35:12 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:35:12 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <200105221529.IAA00543@dns.pacang.com>
Message-ID: <3B0A8730.A7FDF549@nipltd.com>

Byron Servies wrote:
> 
> Ack.  Sorry, sorry:
> 
> http://www.thekompany.com/products/blackadder
> 
> It's a pyQT IDE.

...and isn't open source... nope, not for me ;-)

Chris


From wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de  Tue May 22 16:38:14 2001
From: wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de (Andreas Wandel)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:38:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <3B0A8332.9455F3C1@kaivo.com>
References: <990538802.3b0a6c3285179@mailhost.math.uni-potsdam.de> <3B0A73A8.9FB758@kaivo.com> <3B0A7FC2.2424A6CE@math.uni-potsdam.de> <3B0A8332.9455F3C1@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <990545894.3b0a87e6df6c5@mailhost.math.uni-potsdam.de>

First of all: sorry for the forgotten subject line ...

Casey Duncan <cduncan@kaivo.com> wrote:

> Andreas Wandel wrote:
> > 
> > Casey Duncan wrote:
> > > You cannot nest dtml tags inside one another like that. If you want
> to
> > > pass the rendered content of a DTML document to the method use:
> > >
> > > <dtml-var expr="ExtMethod(DTMLDocument(_.None,_))">
> > 
> > This one works, thanks a lot. But what about Docs with a dot in the
> name
> > like  "somedoc.html"?
> > 
> 
> Tip: Don't use dots in object ids for this reason. That said, you can
> get around this using:

If I could prevent them I would do it. But most of our employees post their docs
out of Netscape Composer directly into zope...

> 
> <dtml-var expr="ExtMethod(_.getitem('somedoc.html')(_.None,_))">

YES! This is exactly what i wanted. Great!

> 
> Using dots in object names makes for ugly expression like the above
> because dots are significant in Python.

The reason is clear, didn't know how to workaround. I am waiting for the next
release of HTMLDocument, which (hopefully) makes such expressions unnecessary 

Ones again:

Thanks

Andreas Wandel



From rbeer@uni-goettingen.de  Tue May 22 16:51:32 2001
From: rbeer@uni-goettingen.de (Ragnar Beer)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:51:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Security problem in How-To: Caching with mod_proxy
Message-ID: <p04330108b730347861c7@[134.76.136.114]>

Howdy!

In the how-to I wrote about caching with mod_proxy 
(http://www.zope.org/Members/rbeer/caching) there is a security 
problem insofar that if you setup your server just like that it will 
be a public proxy that people can use to cover their traces when 
accessing other websites. To disable this behavior you could e.g. add 
a LocationMatch directive to your httpd.conf that denies every 
request that doesn't start with a slash.

<LocationMatch "^[^/]">
Deny from all
</LocationMatch>

To try out the problem and see the effect of the fix configure your 
browser to use www.mysite.org port 80 as a proxy (assuming the name 
of your site is www.mysite.org). Then try to access a page from your 
browser and look at your access_log.

Thanks to Ivo van der Wijk for pointing out the problem!

Cheers,

Ragnar

P.S.: I'll be in Switzerland for a couple of days and probably won't 
have internet access till monday. So if anybody replies and waits for 
my answer: please be patient ;)


From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May 22 16:56:52 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:56:52 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Z SQL method results from a python script
References: <05256A50.0004AB33.00@notes.delphiauto.com>
Message-ID: <015e01c0e2d7$d145c330$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[<daniel.a.fulton@delphiauto.com>]

>
> I want to use this method in a python script but can't for the life of me
get it
> to return the entire result set.
>
> Python script:
>
>            results = context.employ_data(month=month, year=year)
>
>            for result in results:
>                         return result.sum_hour, result.sum_total,
> result.division
>
> This returns only one record -- the first record in the result set.   I
need the
> entire result set.
>

The "return" statement causes the function to end and return the result.  So
you only get the first row.  You should build the results into a list, then
return the list.

    rows=[]
    for result in results:
        rows.append( (result.sum_hour, result.sum_total))
    return rows

Each row is now a tuple containing the hour and sum.

Cheers,

Tom P




From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Tue May 22 17:02:38 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:02:38 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B32B@desi2>

Yuck.  Sorry, but for x-platform development, if the Trolls are going to
charge for Windows dev. license, it makes no sense to use this as a basis
for an x-platform open-source project; this is not just KDE, it has to run
on other platforms and still have a free core!!!  This would have to run on
Win32, and by using a commercial toolkit like Qt, you significantly raise
the barrier to entry for potential developers.

wxPython is (from the looks of it) going to be the defacto replacement for
tkinter, and it is relatively friendly - and I believe wider used - and
there is not reason to complain about using gtk widgets on *NIX, because the
development is abstracted by a class library (and gtk widgets are much more
aesthetically pleasing!).

There is a practical (not dogmatic) reason to keep things free: you want to
encourage widespread development and contribution, and you won't get that
with a limit imposed by a commercial toolkit.  What I don't understand is
what differentiates most of the frameworks for desktop development
(wxWindows, Qt, MFC, OWL, inti, etc), they all try to share the same idea
space - but wxWindows at least qualifies as mature, modern, and free.

Sean


-----Original Message-----
From: ender [mailto:kthangavelu@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:11 AM
To: Chris Withers; zope@zope.org
Cc: andyd@nipltd.com
Subject: Re: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


On Tuesday 22 May 2001 01:38, Chris Withers wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat client
>> for Zope, based on Python and hopefully using a ZEO connection to do most
>> of the interaction.
>>
>>We're looking at both wxPython and Tkinter as possible windowing toolkits.
>>
>>Which one would you choose?
>>Why? ;-)

pyQT, 

very mature cross platform high performance, graphically rich toolkit, 
support for internationalization, new support for macs, runs on embedded 
devices (zope admin for the palm:), lots of features. ibm's investing for 
voice recoginition. qtdesigner is very nice gui design environment with xml 
xports that will allow code generation for all supported platforms. qt3.0
has 
some nice db/io abstractions in the toolkit. the windows version is not free

but if you're willing to plop down some change for a dev. license you can 
release a windows version. the x win stuff is gpl'd

http://www.trolltech.com (qt trolls)

http://www.thekompany.com  (its under their projects section for pyqt).

btw. you should maybe have a look at wingide.com and check out their patches

to interface to zope.

cheers

kapil

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From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Tue May 22 17:07:26 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:07:26 -0400
Subject: Workflow  => was {Re: [Zope]  (no subject)}
References: <990538802.3b0a6c3285179@mailhost.math.uni-potsdam.de> <3B0A73A8.9FB758@kaivo.com> <3B0A7FC2.2424A6CE@math.uni-potsdam.de> <3B0A8332.9455F3C1@kaivo.com> <990545894.3b0a87e6df6c5@mailhost.math.uni-potsdam.de>
Message-ID: <002501c0e2d9$4b8ebc40$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

> If I could prevent them I would do it. But most of our employees post
their docs
> out of Netscape Composer directly into zope...
>
> > <dtml-var expr="ExtMethod(_.getitem('somedoc.html')(_.None,_))">
>
> YES! This is exactly what i wanted. Great!

Hi Andreas

I am curious about your workflow here..

1. employees prepare  documents[HTML?]
2. load into zope [http/ftp] saving them as DTML[?]Documents
3. you have externalmethod[s] using the contents as arguments..

What kind of information are you passing and how is it being used?

I hope you don't think I am prying. It sounds interesting and is related to
some issues I am trying to solve right now.

I am very interested in workflow and Zope. Especially wayswhich allow easy
separation of skills and habits. In other words letting everyone work with
familiar tools and documents, but combining them in a Zope workflow to make
somthing new, open and powerful.

cheers
./Jason
___________________________________________________________
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From craig.dunigan@esker.com  Tue May 22 16:59:47 2001
From: craig.dunigan@esker.com (Dunigan, Craig)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:59:47 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
Message-ID: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDF8B@exch-mdsn-usa.persoft.com>

Hi,

I'm no Python or Zope guru, but I have had some limited experience with
wxPython and XML-RPC.  Another developer here wrote a Zope fat client for
user file management using them, and I have to maintain and enhance it.  I'd
be delighted to help out with a project like this in any way I can, maybe as
a tester or to do grunt work?  

Anyway, my vote is for wxPython, like everybody else.

Craig Dunigan
Web Programmer
Esker Software - Extending the Reach of Information
mailto:craig.dunigan@esker.com
Ph. 608.273.6000
Fax 608.273.8227
http://www.esker.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Withers [mailto:chrisw@nipltd.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:36 AM
> To: Hannu Krosing
> Cc: zope@zope.org; andyd@nipltd.com
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
> 
> 
> Hannu Krosing wrote:
> > 
> > Chris Withers wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with 
> building a fat client for
> > > Zope, based on Python and hopefully using a ZEO 
> connection to do most of the
> > > interaction.
> > 
> > So have I ;)
> 
> What's the best way for us to pool efforts?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
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From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May 22 17:10:51 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:10:51 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Write out "
References: <0105211506070B.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <01a901c0e2d9$c596d130$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Gitte Wange]
I need to write out the character "
How ?

I can't do this:
<dtml-let string="'<body bgcolor="#000000"'">

I have tried with:
<dtml-let string="<body bgcolor=\"#000000\"'">
but that doesn't work either.

How do I do it ?

[Tom]
Why do you need to?  If you do, what's wrong with

<body bgcolor=''>

??
If you need to concatenate it with something else (why???), what's wrong
with

<dtml-let emptystring="''">

That's two single quotes inside a pair of double quotes.

or,

<dtml-let emptystring="\"\"">

if you absolutely have to have double quotes.  Don't go fooling around with
zero bytes.

Cheers,

Tom P



From bkc@murkworks.com  Tue May 22 17:32:49 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:32:49 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ARGH !! SQLSession!
In-Reply-To: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAOEAGCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <3B0A58C6.27238.38E89EDB@localhost>

On 22 May 2001, at 17:12, Paul Zwarts wrote:

From:           	"Paul Zwarts" <paz@oratrix.com>
> I am using the SQLsession product to use environment settings that are
> invisible to the user and sensitive to the session.
> 
> Every so often without fail I get a KeyError about a session parameter. It
> DOES EXIST! Im not sure what to do to look into it. I've used SQLSession
> reliably in the past and Im confused where to look for the fault.


I've been using SQLSession with Interbase on Linux at 2 sites without any problems.

SQLSession docs do say to use a distinct database connection for the SQLSession 
object due to threading issues.

Not sure if that's still important or not, but we do assign  a unique database connection 
to the SQLSession object.  

Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements


From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May 22 17:19:03 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:19:03 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com> <005501c0e2a1$3bd0de10$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3B0A32E2.B074AB74@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <01eb01c0e2da$ea99cdb0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Chris Withers]

> Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> >
> > Choose the one that LOOKS THE MOST NATIVE.
> > The most non-userfriendly thing in X or Windows is when you get a GUI
you've
> > never seen before. (like WingIDE on Win32)
>
> Thankyou ;-) Now which one out of wxPython or Tkinter is that?
>
wxPython.

Tom P



From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May 22 17:21:34 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:21:34 -0400
Subject: [Zope] how to run the server in backgnd in win95/98
References: <169a818a2e.18a2e169a8@wipro.com>
Message-ID: <01fe01c0e2db$44a3e200$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[K H Subrahmanyan]

>   I am using zope for my project.
> I know how to run the zope server in the background in linux server.
> ( it is : ./start &)
> I would like to know how to run the zope server in the background in
> windows platform.
>

Just run it like any other program, don't wory about it being in the
"background" or not.  You can minimize the DOS window that comes up when the
batch file runs.  It will work fine.

Tom P



From eloquence@eloquent-designs.f2s.com  Tue May 22 17:33:42 2001
From: eloquence@eloquent-designs.f2s.com (David Burton)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:33:42 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <200105221442.HAA00050@dns.pacang.com> <3B0A85FF.CD0E47FB@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c0e2dc$f6a8bd30$ab5499c3@dburt2k>

I tried it and found it bug-ridden and appallingly documented - did anyone
else have better results?

David Burton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "Byron Servies" <bservies@pacang.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


>
>
> Byron Servies wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > You might also want to take a look at:
> >
> > http://www.kompany.com/products/blackadder
>
> didn't work for me...
>
> Chris
>
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From jpeterso@the-bridge.net  Tue May 22 17:42:09 2001
From: jpeterso@the-bridge.net (Jeff Peterson)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:42:09 -0500
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
In-Reply-To: <3B0A8658.B1A4040C@easyleading.org>
Message-ID: <KNEFIIDHENFCFDCOJOJKIEJICNAA.jpeterso@the-bridge.net>

If you are on a Windows platform use IE, if you don't want IE, use Opera 5.x
both support png format and are compliant with CSS and the W3C standards.
Linux users can use Opera, I have not tested it on Linux, however if it
works like it does on Windows, you're golden.  If you use Netscape because
of some deep seeded hatred for IE/Microsoft/Bill Gates or are just unwilling
to change, well then suffer.  Not using superior tools when you can is your
fault.

To users of UNIX on platforms such as Sun, SGI, etc.: Netscape is still part
of the "browser wars" because of you!  Put pressure on these people to
pressure Netscape into adding support for the latest technologies.  The HTML
4 spec is 4 years old!  How long has CSS1 and png been around?  I feel for
you, I really do.  My guess is that most of you would change if you could.
My big problem is that somewhere a line has to be drawn between specs, ease
of development and who can see your stuff or how they can see it at least.

I hope that I did not offend anyone, it was not my intention.

--
Jeffrey D. Peterson
Webmaster/Web & Web Applications Engineer
Range TV Cable & Broadband
1818 E. 3rd Ave.  Hibbing, MN 55746
jpeterso@rangebroadband.com





> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> Andreas Heckel
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:32 AM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
>
>
> I don't want to initiate a Browser compatibility flame war.
> But is it necessity to bother all zope.org visitors with that
> zopelogo.png ? Please have a look at your User Agent statistic.
> There are many users who are using Netscape 4.x. This browser is
> unable to render transparent png images in proper style.
>
> --
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Andreas Heckel                                  andreas@easyleading.org
> LINUX is like a wigwam...no gates...no windows and an apache inside ;-)
>
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From jeff@janix.com  Tue May 22 17:53:47 2001
From: jeff@janix.com (Jeff Sasmor)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:53:47 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
Message-ID: <06dd01c0e2df$dd3a8c40$1a931340@NETKOOK>

Chris,
If you are going to use wxPython, check out wxDesigner. 
(http://www.roebling.de).  It's not free and it's not
Open Source, but it's only $US89 and it can
act as a decent RAD tool.  It can build a lot
of your app's GUI framework. 

I have not used wxDesigner a lot yet, but I bought the
BlackAdder personal use (beta) package. Largely a 
waste of money. It's debugger is nearly useless and BA
crashes constantly.  It's aspect as an extension of
QT designer is interesting, and it bears watching to
see if it improves when they bring out the real thing.

Wing IDE is nice for debugging.  Wing comes with
source, it's just not Open Source.

I think a combo of wxDesigner and Wing would
be nice (and it's what I am planning to use
myself till something better comes along.)




Jeff Sasmor
jeff@sasmor.com
Check out http://www.naggle.com/
Check out Blark for the Zope CMF at http://www.yellowbrain.com




From juliodinis@hotmail.com  Tue May 22 17:48:55 2001
From: juliodinis@hotmail.com (Júlio Dinis Silva)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:48:55 +0100
Subject: [Zope] upgrade 222 -> 232 error
Message-ID: <F34wLk615Jow4CkawxS0000599a@hotmail.com>

Hi,

KeyError

                 Sorry, a site error occurred.

                 Traceback (innermost last):
                   File /usr/local/xxx/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
line 223, in publish_module
                   File /usr/local/xxx/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
line 187, in publish
                   File /usr/local/xxx/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 
221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
                     (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
                   File /usr/local/xxx/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, 
line 162, in publish
                   File 
/usr/local/xxx/lib/python/Products/Hotfix_2000-10-02/__init__.py, line 307, 
in traverse
                   File /usr/local/xxx/lib/python/AccessControl/User.py, 
line 589, in validate
                     (Object: RoleManager)
                   File /usr/local/xxx/lib/python/ZPublisher/HTTPRequest.py, 
line 884, in __getitem__
                 KeyError: PUBLISHED


anyone?
thanx
Julio Dinis Silva
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From lstafford@morphics.com  Tue May 22 17:23:03 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:23:03 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Periodic scripts
In-Reply-To: <2C5B7D6A62ADD4118EC400D0B79107757D9AFC@exge_srv1.sqs.de>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICEEEMGHAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

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  -----Original Message-----
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oliver.erlewein@sqs.de
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 00:29
  To: zope@zope.org
  Subject: [Zope] Periodic scripts


  Hi

  How do I start periodic jobs/scripts under Zope? Is there a product or a
script for that? I'm running under Windows NT with Zope 2.3.2.

  Thanx

  Oliver


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From paz@chello.nl  Tue May 22 18:05:13 2001
From: paz@chello.nl (Paz)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:05:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ARGH !! SQLSession!
In-Reply-To: <3B0A58C6.27238.38E89EDB@localhost>
Message-ID: <NCBBJBDEPAMGPFGHJKIIMEGJCOAA.paz@chello.nl>

Hi,

We do in fact use a separate dbase connection for zsession and
zsession_data. I've never had a problem with it either (on 6 different Zope
installations and sites), until now. I think I have a good idea of where to
start debugging, but I need this fundamental question answered first:

Scenario A:
A dbase thread dies, or a pool is allowed to run away (see that there are 15
postmaster threads running after a while). If a thread will bug out and
disallow a connection, will SQLSession respond in error, or shouldn't you
get a dbase connection error?

Scenario B:
PoPy201 and Postgres703 are multi-threaded, though SQLSession is on a
separate dbase connection, should it not be on a separate dbase altogether?
Is there a way that I can look further into this threading issue?

Thanks for you help,
Paz

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Brad
Clements
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 6:33 PM
To: Paul Zwarts; Zope
Subject: Re: [Zope] ARGH !! SQLSession!


On 22 May 2001, at 17:12, Paul Zwarts wrote:

From:           	"Paul Zwarts" <paz@oratrix.com>
> I am using the SQLsession product to use environment settings that are
> invisible to the user and sensitive to the session.
>
> Every so often without fail I get a KeyError about a session parameter. It
> DOES EXIST! Im not sure what to do to look into it. I've used SQLSession
> reliably in the past and Im confused where to look for the fault.


I've been using SQLSession with Interbase on Linux at 2 sites without any
problems.

SQLSession docs do say to use a distinct database connection for the
SQLSession
object due to threading issues.

Not sure if that's still important or not, but we do assign  a unique
database connection
to the SQLSession object.

Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements

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From marc@bowery.com  Tue May 22 18:20:46 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:20:46 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
In-Reply-To: <KNEFIIDHENFCFDCOJOJKIEJICNAA.jpeterso@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <B730182D.2D915%marc@bowery.com>


> From: "Jeff Peterson" <jpeterso@the-bridge.net>
> 
> If you are on a Windows platform use IE, if you don't want IE, use Opera 5.x
> both support png format and are compliant with CSS and the W3C standards.

Opera 5 (at least, the mac version I have) doesn't support browser file
uploads, therefore it's useless for managing zope.  Also, it doesn't support
plugins (like flash, etc.).  While it's faster than the other browsers, it's
not much faster than NS 4.77 or IE5, and I suspect that once they put in a
full feature set, it'll bog down.

> Linux users can use Opera, I have not tested it on Linux, however if it
> works like it does on Windows, you're golden.  If you use Netscape because
> of some deep seeded hatred for IE/Microsoft/Bill Gates or are just unwilling
> to change, well then suffer.  Not using superior tools when you can is your
> fault.

IE5 on the PC also has problems rendering transparent PNGs.

PNG support just isn't that great in general unfortunately.  Because PNG24
is great, you get transparency the way it SHOULD look.


just MY $0.002



From nitin@borwankar.com  Tue May 22 18:16:48 2001
From: nitin@borwankar.com (Nitin Borwankar)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:16:48 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Groove and ZEO
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com> <vg8zjp8n67.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
Message-ID: <3B0A9F00.DE75BAF@borwankar.com>


Alastair Burt wrote:
> 
> Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:
> 
> > A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat client for
> > Zope
> 
> What is a fat client?
> 
> On a related note (I think?), how hard would it be to build a Groove-like
> system with ZEO?  I have never used Groove, but it sounds like a useful
> groupware tool for everyman.  If the basis of Groove is incremental
> synchronisation of shared databases, then ZEO seems to offer similar
> functionality,

Actually its a lot more than incremental synchronization of databases.
The key with Groove is that it is a client-centric peer-to-peer system.
The focus is on getting away from server centric systems and the ability
to form
spontaneous group shared spaces with different sets of people based on
shared work.
So going with ZEO seems like a step in the opposite direction,
philosophically
and from the point of view of functionality, since ZEO is a number of
*servers* working together
rather than a number of clients i.e. it's "server++" not "client++" as
in Groove.


Nitin Borwankar,
President and CEO,
Borwankar Research inc.
nitin@borwankar.com

> especially if it encrypted the synchronisation protocol,
> which is what you, Chris, mentioned doing in a previous post.
> 
> --- Alastair
> 
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From tommy@7x.com  Tue May 22 18:34:47 2001
From: tommy@7x.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:34:47 -0800
Subject: Workflow  => was {Re: [Zope]  (no subject)}
In-Reply-To: <002501c0e2d9$4b8ebc40$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <BKEPLFMFGHIJDGLKDKJHGEGICAAA.tommy@7x.com>

I, too, would be interested in hearing about this. I have an upcoming
project that sounds very similiar to this.

Tommy


Hi Andreas

I am curious about your workflow here..

1. employees prepare  documents[HTML?]
2. load into zope [http/ftp] saving them as DTML[?]Documents
3. you have externalmethod[s] using the contents as arguments..

What kind of information are you passing and how is it being used?

I hope you don't think I am prying. It sounds interesting and is related to
some issues I am trying to solve right now.

I am very interested in workflow and Zope. Especially wayswhich allow easy
separation of skills and habits. In other words letting everyone work with
familiar tools and documents, but combining them in a Zope workflow to make
somthing new, open and powerful.




From David.Astheimer@gxs.ge.com  Tue May 22 18:28:04 2001
From: David.Astheimer@gxs.ge.com (Astheimer, David (GXS))
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:28:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Stock User Folders - Who can add a user?
Message-ID: <3D808EC801AED111B0100008C75D5DDC0B0EDD7C@roc05bxgeisge.is.ge.com>

Question:

Which permission is required to allow a person to add/change/delete items
in the standard User Folder? Granting the manager role to a person seems to
do the trick. However, I'd like to open the User Folder to "lesser admins"
who
do not need full manager rights, but do need to add folks and dole out
roles.

Thanks!!

Dave


From paul@digicool.com  Tue May 22 18:38:58 2001
From: paul@digicool.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:38:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <vg8zjp8n67.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de> <200105221455.KAA29811@ox.ldgo.columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <3B0AA432.788BB3DB@digicool.com>


albert boulanger wrote:

> This leads me to the question. Does DC have a strategy for P2P? In our
> opinion the Application Service Provider model will be superceeded by
> P2P.

While DC is focused on content management, I agree that Zope's
(transactional, distributed, lightweight, object) database would make an
interesting P2P infrastructure.

--Paul


From aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu  Tue May 22 18:44:39 2001
From: aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu (albert boulanger)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:44:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
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   albert boulanger wrote:

   > This leads me to the question. Does DC have a strategy for P2P? In our
   > opinion the Application Service Provider model will be superceeded by
   > P2P.

   While DC is focused on content management, I agree that Zope's
   (transactional, distributed, lightweight, object) database would make an
   interesting P2P infrastructure.

   --Paul

Yes and a content management solution for P2P to boot... As the Groove
folks say its all about the right layering and Zope has that in many
aspects. Fundamental is to do object publishing at a low level and
build on that.


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@vpatch.com


From alan@mlug.ca  Tue May 22 18:37:34 2001
From: alan@mlug.ca (alan truesdale)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:37:34 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
In-Reply-To: <KNEFIIDHENFCFDCOJOJKIEJICNAA.jpeterso@the-bridge.net>
References: <KNEFIIDHENFCFDCOJOJKIEJICNAA.jpeterso@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <01052213525200.26989@caldera.wellconnected.ca>

On Tue, 22 May 2001, you wrote:

</snip>
Not using superior tools when you can is your fault.
</snip> 
What arrogance as if every once can afford the hardware the band width or the
license fees to have the latest and greatest.  
Web authoring that does not take this into account is just bad authoring. Zope
org especially should be aware that a large number of its users will be using
Linux Unix tools how hard would it be to detect browser and exclude or switch
or  the image.(or just use it in the first place). 

<snip>
I hope that I did not offend anyone, it was not my intention.
</snip>
You certainly offended me. I don't have the time to explain to you why some of
us love freedom and  community ,  and use linux not only because we are
convinced in real ways it is technically superior to some other operating
systems but that it is morally superior as well. 



>> > I don't want to initiate a Browser compatibility flame war.
> > But is it necessity to bother all zope.org visitors with that
> > zopelogo.png ? Please have a look at your User Agent statistic.
> > There are many users who are using Netscape 4.x. This browser is
> > unable to render transparent png images in proper style.

-- 
Alan Truesdale
TrueChem Limited
616 Charon
Montreal Quebec

tel 514 937 4589
fax 514 938 8652
http://www.truechem.ca


From nuno@fccn.pt  Tue May 22 18:57:52 2001
From: nuno@fccn.pt (nuno)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:57:52 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zserver stability problems
Message-ID: <046e01c0e2e8$b8a53a20$940788c1@rccn.net>

Hello,

I'm running zope 2.3.0 (Red -Hat Linux) behind apache with mod_proxy
(ProxyPass)  and fastcgi .
All requests are satisfied successfully  by Zserver , however it seems that
sometimes the zope listener
has to be restarted , which is not good !

What I have observed in particular, was that both apache an zope are up and
working fine!
But suddenly, all the requests made through browser to the zope web site,
become in a blank page, the browser takes a long time to load and it shows
up the not found web page.

What seems to me so strange is, when this happen, both listeners are up (
netstat -l ).
Then I do a restart to the zope listener and all becomes fine again !

During last week this happened four times !

I have read the zope.org mailing list and saw that other persons have
problems with Zope Server, but I haven't found any suitable solutions
to this problem of Zserver stability.

Do you guys have any hints about the reasons of this behaviour?
What should it cause this unexpected problem ?

Thank you all

Best regards
Nuno



From andreas@easyleading.org  Tue May 22 19:11:38 2001
From: andreas@easyleading.org (Andreas Heckel)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:11:38 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
References: <KNEFIIDHENFCFDCOJOJKIEJICNAA.jpeterso@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <3B0AABDA.36D780C0@easyleading.org>

Jeff Peterson wrote:
> 
> If you are on a Windows platform use IE, if you don't want IE, use Opera 5.x
> both support png format and are compliant with CSS and the W3C standards.
> Linux users can use Opera, I have not tested it on Linux, however if it
> works like it does on Windows, you're golden.  

Seems to me that you do not know what you are speaking about.

> If you use Netscape because of some deep seeded hatred for IE/Microsoft/Bill Gates 
> or are just unwilling to change, well then suffer.  

IMHO there are some more reasons not to change from Linux to Windows. 
BTW ... Did you noticed that there is no IE 4 Linux ? 

> Not using superior tools when you can is your fault.

MOST people on earth are not able to pay the price for that
"superior tools" ! Of course they can just copy M$Windows.
Is that the solution you kept in mind ?  

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
Andreas Heckel                                  andreas@easyleading.org
LINUX is like a wigwam...no gates...no windows and an apache inside ;-)


From jpeterso@the-bridge.net  Tue May 22 19:53:22 2001
From: jpeterso@the-bridge.net (Jeff Peterson)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:53:22 -0500
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
In-Reply-To: <3B0AABDA.36D780C0@easyleading.org>
Message-ID: <KNEFIIDHENFCFDCOJOJKMEJLCNAA.jpeterso@the-bridge.net>

I thought I was fairly clear...I guess not.

> IMHO there are some more reasons not to change from Linux to Windows.
> BTW ... Did you noticed that there is no IE 4 Linux ?
>
Yes I did...that is why I suggested using Opera 5.x which you can get for
FREE - legally with some minor inconveniences (there is a standard banner
add built into mine).

> MOST people on earth are not able to pay the price for that
> "superior tools" ! Of course they can just copy M$Windows.
> Is that the solution you kept in mind ?

I never suggested switching to windows or any other OS.  I said, and I think
without question, that in the case of Linux and Windows there were Netscape
alternatives and for other flavors of UNIX to put pressure on both the OS
manufacturer and Netscape/other browser developers to conform to the spec.



>
> --
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Andreas Heckel                                  andreas@easyleading.org
> LINUX is like a wigwam...no gates...no windows and an apache inside ;-)
>
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From dave@kovach.com  Tue May 22 19:50:00 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 22 May 2001 11:50:00 -0700
Subject: [Zope] activeimages and opera 5.11
Message-ID: <20010522185000.26195.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Hi -

Has anyone experimented with getting the ActiveImages product to work with the Opera web broswer? Or run into any other compatibility issues with the javascript AI uses in other browsers?

There seems to be a hang-up in the actual ChangeImage function:

function AI_changeImages() {
    if (document.images) {
        for (var i=0;i <AI_changeImages.arguments.length;  
                 i+=2) {
           document[AI_changeImages.arguments[i]].src = eval(AI_changeImages.arguments[i+1] + ".src");
      }
    }
  }


This seems to work (partially tested):
function changeImages() {
	if (document.images) {
	   for (var i=0; i<changeImages.arguments.length;  
                  i+=2) {
	       document[changeImages.arguments[i]].src =    
                     changeImages.arguments[i+1];
	   }
	}
}


Thanks

David Kovach
dave@kovach.com




From alet@unice.fr  Tue May 22 20:01:02 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:01:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [BUG] in manage_exportObject in OFS/ObjectManager.py
Message-ID: <20010522210101.A895@nordine.ateur>

Hi,

there's probably a bug in manage_exportObject:

this method accepts a RESPONSE argument which default value is None,
but at lines 515-517 there are the following lines:

    RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-type','application/data')
    RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Disposition',
        'inline;filename=%s.%s' % (id, suffix))

These lines are executed when the user choose to download the
file from the export object form in the ZMI, so in this case RESPONSE
is set correctly and there's no problem.

However, when calling manage_exportObject programmatically without
sending a valid RESPONSE argument these two lines raise an exception because
RESPONSE is None:

          Error Type: AttributeError
          Error Value: 'None' object has no attribute 'setHeader'

To see this error occur, just create a Python Script which contain
the following line:

	context.manage_exportObject(id='Control_Panel', download=1)

Click on the 'Test' tab, that's it !

Put in the Collector, issue number is 2241.

hoping this helps.

bye,

Jerome Alet


From jpeterso@the-bridge.net  Tue May 22 20:13:12 2001
From: jpeterso@the-bridge.net (Jeff Peterson)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:13:12 -0500
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
In-Reply-To: <01052213525200.26989@caldera.wellconnected.ca>
Message-ID: <KNEFIIDHENFCFDCOJOJKOEJMCNAA.jpeterso@the-bridge.net>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: alan truesdale [mailto:alan@mlug.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:38 PM
> To: jpeterso@the-bridge.net
> Subject: RE: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
>
>
> On Tue, 22 May 2001, you wrote:
>
> </snip>
> Not using superior tools when you can is your fault.
> </snip>
> What arrogance as if every once can afford the hardware the band
> width or the
> license fees to have the latest and greatest.

Browsers are free my friend, even Opera.  Opera is also available for Linux
(http://www.opera.com/download/).  My superior tools comment applied to
Linux and Windows where superior tools are available (at least superior to
Netscape, IMO).

>
> <snip>
> I hope that I did not offend anyone, it was not my intention.
> </snip>
> You certainly offended me. I don't have the time to explain to
> you why some of
> us love freedom and  community ,  and use linux not only because we are
> convinced in real ways it is technically superior to some other operating
> systems but that it is morally superior as well.

Sorry, it wasn't meant to.  I don't need explaining to, if you'd have read
it more closely you'd have seen that no where did I suggest one OS over
another.  In fact, I spoke of browsers exclusively. Linux is a fine OS, the
open source movement is badly needed and I agree in part that it is
technically superior, I may debate you on where morals come in but you are
entitled to your opinion too.

BTW, here at Range we use SGI IRIX(5), RHL 6.2(4), SUN OS(1) and Windows
2000(2) so I do have some basis for comparison.

--
Jeffrey D. Peterson
Webmaster/Web & Web Applications Engineer
Range TV Cable & Broadband
1818 E. 3rd Ave.  Hibbing, MN 55746
jpeterso@rangebroadband.com



From WrestGalen@aol.com  Tue May 22 20:13:44 2001
From: WrestGalen@aol.com (WrestGalen@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:13:44 EDT
Subject: [Zope] Object does not support this operation
Message-ID: <4a.1631bf98.283c1468@aol.com>

Hello everyone.  I have a web page with a member base.  When people wish to 
become "New" members, they mearly fill out the join form, and click ok.  This 
goes into a folder called member_lists/profiles/ and clones a dtml-document 
called blank_sheet, and then modifies the properties of this clone to match 
the new information inputted by the user.  However, when I submit the join 
(this had worked previously, but once we had updated the join form, it ceased 
working.  On our other test page as well, which is strange since we didn't 
update that.) it gives me a "Object blank_sheet does not support this 
operation" error. 

The join form submits its data to submit_join, which does all the work. Here 
is the code for submit_join. 

<!--#var standard_html_header-->


<dtml-with "PARENTS[-1].f_member_lists.profiles">
<dtml-with "manage_clone(blank_sheet,'new_' + 
REQUEST['character_name'],REQUEST)">

<dtml-call "manage_changeProperties(
  title=REQUEST['character_name'],
  age=REQUEST['age'],
  gender=REQUEST['gender'],
  politics=REQUEST['politics'],
  real_name=REQUEST['real_name'],
  character_name=REQUEST['character_name'],
  location=REQUEST['location'],
  race=REQUEST['race'],
  character_class=REQUEST['character_class'],
  specialization=REQUEST['specialization'],
  discipline_1=REQUEST['discipline_1'],
  discipline_2=REQUEST['discipline_2'],
  discipline_3=REQUEST['discipline_3'],
  char_description=REQUEST['char_description'],
  icq=REQUEST['icq'],
  aim=REQUEST['aim'],
  email=REQUEST['email'], 
  days_active=REQUEST['days_active'],
  hours_on=REQUEST['hours_on'],
  currently_play=REQUEST['currently_play'],
  game_genres=REQUEST['game_genres'],  
  used_play=REQUEST['used_play'],
  reasons=REQUEST['reasons'],
  where_hear=REQUEST['where_hear'],
  goals=REQUEST['goals'],  
  contribute=REQUEST['contribute'],
  leadership=REQUEST['leadership'],
  drink=REQUEST['drink'],
  aliens=REQUEST['aliens'],
  animals=REQUEST['animals'],
  website=REQUEST['website'],
)">

</dtml-with>
</dtml-with>

    Thank you for filling out our application!
    A confirmation e-mail has been sent to you.
    To return to the main page, click <a 
href="http://thekindred.mamey.com/">here</A>.

    <!--#var standard_html_footer-->

and here is code for the blank_sheet

<TABLE WIDTH="300" ALIGN="CENTER" VALIGN="TOP">
 <TR> 
  <TD COLSPAN=2> Personal Information </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Name: 
  <TD> <dtml-if real_name><dtml-var real_name></dtml-if real_name> </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Age: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if age><dtml-var age></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Gender: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-var gender></TD> 
 </TR>
 <TR> 
  <TD> Political Party: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-var politics> </TD> 
 </TR>  
 <TR> 
  <TD> Location: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if location><dtml-var location></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> ICQ#: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if icq><dtml-var icq></dtml-if> </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> AIM: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if aim><dtml-var aim></dtml-if> </TD>
 </TR>  
 <TR> 
  <TD> E-mail: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if email><dtml-var email></dtml-if> </TD> 
 </TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> Aliens: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if aliens><dtml-var aliens></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 

 <TR> 
  <TD COLSPAN=2>Character Information</TD> 
 </TR> 

<TR> 
  <TD> Characters Name: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if character_name><dtml-var character_name></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Race: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if race><dtml-var race></dtml-if> </TD> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Class: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if class><dtml-var character_class></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Specialization: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if specialization><dtml-var specialization></dtml-if>
  <TD> Diciplines: </TD>  
 </TR>
 <TR>
  <TD align="center" colspan="2"><dtml-if discipline_1><dtml-var 
discipline_1></dtml-if></TD>
 </TR>
 <TR>  
 <TD align="center" colspan="2"><dtml-if discipline_2><dtml-var 
discipline_2></dtml-if></TD>
 </TR>
 <TR>
 <TD align="center" colspan="2"><dtml-if discipline_3><dtml-var 
discipline_3></dtml-if></TD>
 </TR> 
<TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> Small Furry Animals: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if animals><dtml-var animals></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Character Description: </TD>  
  <TD><TEXTAREA COLS="20" ROWS="5"><dtml-if char_description><dtml-var 
char_description></dtml-if></TEXTAREA></TD>
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Days most active: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if days_active><dtml-var days_active></dtml-if> </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Hours spent online each day: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if hours_on><dtml-var hours_on></dtml-if> </TD> 
 </TR> 
 <TR> 
  <TD> Game Genres enjoyed: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if game_genres><dtml-var game_genres></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 

 <TR> 
  <TD> Reasons for joining the <dtml-if guild_name><dtml-var 
guild_name></dtml-if></TD> 
  <TD> <TEXTAREA ROWS="5" ><dtml-if reasons><dtml-var 
reasons></dtml-if></TEXTAREA> </TD> 
 </TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> Where did you hear about us? </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if where_hear><dtml-var where_hear></dtml-if> </TD> 
</TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> What do you want to achieve playing shadowbane? </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if goals><dtml-var goals></dtml-if> </TD> 
</TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> What do you think you can contribute to the guild? </TD> 
  <TD> <TEXTAREA ROWS="5"><dtml-if contribute><dtml-var 
contribute></dtml-if></TEXTAREA></TD> 
</TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> Leadership Experience: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if leadership><dtml-var leadership></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> Coke or Pepsi?: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if drink><dtml-var drink></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
<TR> 
  <TD> Favorite Website: </TD> 
  <TD> <dtml-if website><dtml-var website></dtml-if > </TD> 
 </TR> 
</TABLE> 

I have been goofing around with proxy on the pages, and I origionally thought 
that was the issue, but I made a copy of blank_sheet AND submit_join in which 
I didn't touch the proxy, and those still had the same error.  

I also have a java script running for the fourm, which checks to make sure 
all the fields are filled in, but that is on join_form, not submit_join, so I 
don't think that's it (don't see why it would be either).

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 



From Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca  Tue May 22 20:32:27 2001
From: Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca (Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:32:27 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
Message-ID: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E012FD54E@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

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What about Mozilla?  It's cross-platform, work with Mac, Win and =
Unixes...



-----Message d'origine-----
De : Jeff Sasmor [mailto:jeff@janix.com]
Envoy=E9 : 22 mai, 2001 12:54
=C0 : zope@zope.org
Objet : [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


Chris,
If you are going to use wxPython, check out wxDesigner.=20
(http://www.roebling.de).  It's not free and it's not
Open Source, but it's only $US89 and it can
act as a decent RAD tool.  It can build a lot
of your app's GUI framework.=20

I have not used wxDesigner a lot yet, but I bought the
BlackAdder personal use (beta) package. Largely a=20
waste of money. It's debugger is nearly useless and BA
crashes constantly.  It's aspect as an extension of
QT designer is interesting, and it bears watching to
see if it improves when they bring out the real thing.

Wing IDE is nice for debugging.  Wing comes with
source, it's just not Open Source.

I think a combo of wxDesigner and Wing would
be nice (and it's what I am planning to use
myself till something better comes along.)




Jeff Sasmor
jeff@sasmor.com
Check out http://www.naggle.com/
Check out Blark for the Zope CMF at http://www.yellowbrain.com



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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>If you are going to use wxPython, check out =
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BA</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>crashes constantly.&nbsp; It's aspect as an =
extension of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>QT designer is interesting, and it bears watching =
to</FONT>
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thing.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Wing IDE is nice for debugging.&nbsp; Wing comes =
with</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>source, it's just not Open Source.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I think a combo of wxDesigner and Wing would</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jeff Sasmor</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>jeff@sasmor.com</FONT>
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TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.yellowbrain.com</A></FONT>
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From herringw@missouri.edu  Tue May 22 20:35:47 2001
From: herringw@missouri.edu (William Herring)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:35:47 -0500
Subject: [Zope] multiple sql updates and inserts
Message-ID: <3B0ABF93.1080301@missouri.edu>

I, first, retrieve a list  by:

select * from inventory 
where  inventory.past_group=<dtml-sqlvar inventory.past_group type=string>
      order by tattoo

I also add a "checkbox" in the viewed table from the above method.  This 
"checkbox" variable is not part of the sql table.

         <TD ALIGN="RIGHT"><form><input type="checkbox" name="moveflag" 
value="1">Move</form></TD>

I would like to then update and insert into 2 tables, respectively, 
those records that have marked checkboxes by the the sql method:

update testinventory set
   past_group=<dtml-sqlvar testinventory.past_group type=string >,
   ranch='Stockton',
   ent_date=timestamp (datetime 'now'),
       indate=<dtml-sqlvar testinventory.indate type=string >
    where  testinventory.tattoo=<dtml-sqlvar testinventory.tattoo 
type=string>

<!--#var sql_delimiter -->
insert into testinventorytrack
   (tattoo,
   past_group,
       indate,
   ranch,
   ent_date)
   VALUES (<!--#sqlvar testinventory.tattoo type=string -->,
                 <!--#sqlvar testinventory.past_group type=string -->,
               <!--#sqlvar testinventory.indate type=string -->,
              'Stockton',
               timestamp (datetime 'now'))



How can I update and insert the marked records all at once?

-- 
========================================
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Beef Cattle Genetics
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University of Missouri, Columbia 65211
voice:573.884.6860
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========================================



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Tue May 22 20:56:24 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:56:24 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Stock User Folders - Who can add a user?
In-Reply-To: <3D808EC801AED111B0100008C75D5DDC0B0EDD7C@roc05bxgeisge.is.ge.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105222352060.28394-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Astheimer, David (GXS) wrote:
> Which permission is required to allow a person to add/change/delete items
> in the standard User Folder? Granting the manager role to a person seems to
> do the trick. However, I'd like to open the User Folder to "lesser admins"
> who
> do not need full manager rights, but do need to add folks and dole out
> roles.

   Don't you see a trap here? :)

   See, your "lesser mnager" can add users. Well, she adds a user... with
mnagement rights! And immediatly login as this user!!!

   If a person can mange users, she can get manager rights. So why not give
them anyway, without forcing them to cheat? :)

   To developer: IWBN if the user who can add users would allowed to set
roles not higher than its own roles, wouldn't it?

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From kosh@aesaeion.com  Tue May 22 21:09:55 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:09:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
In-Reply-To: <KNEFIIDHENFCFDCOJOJKIEJICNAA.jpeterso@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105221406390.600-100000@aesaeion.com>

You might want to consider a few things. There are many areas that IE is
far more broken then Netscape and many still use Netscape becuase it has
far fewer security exploits then IE does.

For example

IE seems to ignore the entire HTTP/1.1 spec caching directivs. IE can
redraw fast because it does not rehit the web server which is requried by
spec with the headers I have used.

IE ignores mime types in many cases.

IE returns an incorrect HTTP_ACCEPT string in the REQUEST.

As far as rendering goes IE may be better in some areas but as far as
working with them server side IE is a royal pain in the ass and Netscape
works far better.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Jeff Peterson wrote:

> If you are on a Windows platform use IE, if you don't want IE, use Opera 5.x
> both support png format and are compliant with CSS and the W3C standards.
> Linux users can use Opera, I have not tested it on Linux, however if it
> works like it does on Windows, you're golden.  If you use Netscape because
> of some deep seeded hatred for IE/Microsoft/Bill Gates or are just unwilling
> to change, well then suffer.  Not using superior tools when you can is your
> fault.
>
> To users of UNIX on platforms such as Sun, SGI, etc.: Netscape is still part
> of the "browser wars" because of you!  Put pressure on these people to
> pressure Netscape into adding support for the latest technologies.  The HTML
> 4 spec is 4 years old!  How long has CSS1 and png been around?  I feel for
> you, I really do.  My guess is that most of you would change if you could.
> My big problem is that somewhere a line has to be drawn between specs, ease
> of development and who can see your stuff or how they can see it at least.
>
> I hope that I did not offend anyone, it was not my intention.
>
> --
> Jeffrey D. Peterson
> Webmaster/Web & Web Applications Engineer
> Range TV Cable & Broadband
> 1818 E. 3rd Ave.  Hibbing, MN 55746
> jpeterso@rangebroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> > Andreas Heckel
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:32 AM
> > To: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
> >
> >
> > I don't want to initiate a Browser compatibility flame war.
> > But is it necessity to bother all zope.org visitors with that
> > zopelogo.png ? Please have a look at your User Agent statistic.
> > There are many users who are using Netscape 4.x. This browser is
> > unable to render transparent png images in proper style.
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > Andreas Heckel                                  andreas@easyleading.org
> > LINUX is like a wigwam...no gates...no windows and an apache inside ;-)
> >
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From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Tue May 22 21:14:30 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:14:30 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B32D@desi2>

I think this has been tried with Zope studio, which was abandoned.  I am
going to guess that this was too complicated.  wxWindows/wxPython is like=
ly
a better solution because it is likely to be a lighter-weight toolkit in
terms of development complexity...

Just a friendly reminder to fellow list members - in the spirit of
x-platformness, make sure that you send plain-text e-mail to the list ;)

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca
[mailto:Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:32 PM
To: jeff@janix.com; zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


What about Mozilla?  It's cross-platform, work with Mac, Win and Unixes..=
.=20



-----Message d'origine-----=20
De : Jeff Sasmor [mailto:jeff@janix.com]=20
Envoy=E9 : 22 mai, 2001 12:54=20
=C0 : zope@zope.org=20
Objet : [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client=20


Chris,=20
If you are going to use wxPython, check out wxDesigner.=20
(http://www.roebling.de).  It's not free and it's not=20
Open Source, but it's only $US89 and it can=20
act as a decent RAD tool.  It can build a lot=20
of your app's GUI framework.=20
I have not used wxDesigner a lot yet, but I bought the=20
BlackAdder personal use (beta) package. Largely a=20
waste of money. It's debugger is nearly useless and BA=20
crashes constantly.  It's aspect as an extension of=20
QT designer is interesting, and it bears watching to=20
see if it improves when they bring out the real thing.=20
Wing IDE is nice for debugging.  Wing comes with=20
source, it's just not Open Source.=20
I think a combo of wxDesigner and Wing would=20
be nice (and it's what I am planning to use=20
myself till something better comes along.)=20




Jeff Sasmor=20
jeff@sasmor.com=20
Check out http://www.naggle.com/=20
Check out Blark for the Zope CMF at http://www.yellowbrain.com=20



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From frank.sonnemans@euronet.be  Tue May 22 22:09:35 2001
From: frank.sonnemans@euronet.be (Frank Sonnemans)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:09:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <2730497110.990572975@[192.168.1.1]>

wxPython would be my choice. It provides more functionality and gives a 
native look and feel on different platforms. Works great on Windows and 
FreeBSD in my (short) experience.

Regards,

Frank

--On Tuesday, May 22, 2001 09:38 +0100 Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat client
> for Zope, based on Python and hopefully using a ZEO connection to do most
> of the interaction.
>
> We're looking at both wxPython and Tkinter as possible windowing toolkits.
>
> Which one would you choose?
> Why? ;-)
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
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From simon@nipltd.com  Tue May 22 22:13:31 2001
From: simon@nipltd.com (Simon Coles)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:13:31 +0100
Subject: [Zope] RE: Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <007101c0e2d4$9ee92ec0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
References: <EMEBLHHNMMONGIHFFHOCOEAFCBAA.caz@tcdi.com>
 <007101c0e2d4$9ee92ec0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <1241100.990569611@[0.0.0.0]>

Regarding Mac support for wxWindows, this is a concern for me as NIP's 
token Mac user (and hence the other NIP'ers working on this - Chris and 
Andy) :-).

You can run X Windows apps under MacOS X, either with the free XonX package 
or Tenon's XTools. I suspect this means we'll be able to run wxWindows for 
X Windows under MacOS X. I'll try this when I have time.

Running the X Window version doesn't solve the problem for pre-MacOS X 
people, but then again they can't run Zope either, so I don't think that's 
too much of a problem.

If I can't get wxWindows running under MacOS X, we'll just have to come up 
with something based on Cocoa.... then you'll all be sorry! (evil laugh).

(the running joke at NIP is we're trying to ease Chris W. off his 
unfortunate addiction to Windows - MacOS X may be a more comfortable 
upgrade for him than Linux, if only because hardware looks cool).



Simon



--On Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:33 am -0400 Jason Cunliffe 
<jasonic@nomadicsltd.com> wrote:
[snip]
> MAC ?
> By only concern about wxPython vs. TKinter is lack of Macintosh support...
> Does anyone here have Mac wxPython experience?
>
> It would be a real shame if Macs could not be consistently supported by
> the IDE. I think it is possible to have wxWindows/ wxPython running on
> Macs, but my impression is that Mac support is out of sync, and lagging
> behind. EPople are working it. How hard I don't know.. MacOSX will no
> doubt improve this dilemma. Compatibility really needs to be checked out.
>
> An older [January 2000] Mac Port by Stefan Csomor is
> http://www.advanced.ch/wxwin/
> There are newer 'unstable 'versions moved to Sourceforge..
[snip]

--------- My opinions are my own, NIP's opinions are theirs ----------
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From kyroraz@usa.net  Tue May 22 22:21:30 2001
From: kyroraz@usa.net (Jason Joy)
Date: 22 May 2001 14:21:30 MST
Subject: [Zope] Setting Up Zope to Run in Remote User Mode
Message-ID: <20010522212132.8395.qmail@nwcst317.netaddress.usa.net>

I'm having some trouble with this issue, and was hoping my previous messa=
ges
about setting passwords in Zope (Administrator) would have fixed this, bu=
t I'm
not having much success.

I am involved in setting up Zope and IIS on a machine that needs to have
Remote User Mode enabled.  In setting it up, it was made sure that =


1)  Anonymous access was turned on.
2)  Windows NT Challenge/Response and Basic Authentication was turned off=
=2E
3)  IIS's error notification facility was turned off.

Then from the HOWTO at
http://dev.zope.org/Members/jephte/HOWTO/IIS_and_Zope_in_REMOTE_USER_mode=
=2E..

I keep trying to set the password to blank by both methods of using zpass=
wd.py
and editing the inituser file manually, but it really seems that Zope doe=
s not
like that?  Is there anything that I'm missing?  Has anyone else out ther=
e had
trouble with this?

Jason
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From mjmare@webtothemax.com  Tue May 22 22:42:40 2001
From: mjmare@webtothemax.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcel_Mar=E9?=)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:42:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Management of user docs (Word)
Message-ID: <NDBBLBOFIKBABIPONCDPGELHFPAA.mjmare@webtothemax.com>

Newbie question:

I'm trying to get a grip on Zope. I'm looking for a workgroup collaboration
tool (forums, document management etc.). The problem I'm facing is: most
users have their information in external documents like Microsoft Word or
Excel document. These are not "understood" by the Zope object database I
guess. So what is the best way to handle these?

TIA

Marcel



From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Tue May 22 22:56:59 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:56:59 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client - Groove
In-Reply-To: <E152EcP-0000rH-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHIEAKCBAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

I've also been thinking about the possibility of a Groove-clone using Zope.
Seems Jabber (www.jabber.org) might be a way to do this without trying to
force Zope to do IM - i.e. Jabber handles the messaging, Zope handles the
storage and replication. There's a mention of integration with Jabber in the
Zope Book (Chapter 9??), but has anyone played with this any further? And
does anyone know why the various python-jabber clients seem to have fallen
by the wayside? :-)

Cheers, Jon
------------------------------------------
On a related note (I think?), how hard would it be to build a Groove-like
system with ZEO?  I have never used Groove, but it sounds like a useful
groupware tool for everyman.  If the basis of Groove is incremental
synchronisation of shared databases, then ZEO seems to offer similar
functionality, especially if it encrypted the synchronisation protocol,
which is what you, Chris, mentioned doing in a previous post.

--- Alastair



From rhess@bic.ch  Tue May 22 23:09:18 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:09:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Management of user docs (Word)
References: <NDBBLBOFIKBABIPONCDPGELHFPAA.mjmare@webtothemax.com>
Message-ID: <3B0AE38E.DB5716D6@bic.ch>

Marcel Mar=E9 wrote:
> =

> Newbie question:
> =

> I'm trying to get a grip on Zope. I'm looking for a workgroup collabora=
tion
> tool (forums, document management etc.). The problem I'm facing is: mos=
t
> users have their information in external documents like Microsoft Word =
or
> Excel document. These are not "understood" by the Zope object database =
I
> guess. So what is the best way to handle these?
> =

> TIA
> =

> Marcel
>

Hi Marcel

What do you mean by: "...Microsoft Word or Excel document. These are not
"understood" by the Zope object database..." ???

You can store them as files in the ZODB. And serve them to users
via the web. Or you can leave them in the filesysystem, let them be
administrated (uploaded) through the web and served to the users through
the web.
http://www.zope.org/Members/jfarr/Products/LocalFS
http://www.zope.org/Members/MacGregor/ExtFile

Files are served with relevant MIME headers as in other webservers. So
you have the same story for downloading Microsoft documents from Zope as
from any other webserver (so the point is the browser configuration: you
have got to have your helpers configured in the browser).

Do you have special purposes in your mind ? Do you think about indexing
?

There is now even a document library in developement which deals with
indexing of Microsoft documents. Have a look at:
http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/DocumentLibrary/0.1-ReleaseNews

Maybe, you want also have a look on the content management framework
(CMF):
http://cmf.zope.org

Or a news forum on Zope:
http://www.squishdot.org/



HTH

--Flynt--


From mindlace@digicool.com  Tue May 22 23:23:28 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:23:28 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105221406390.600-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <46000000.990570208@orlog>

Sorry it took so long, but here's how it went:

The zope logo *was* a png without transparent background.  Unfortunately, 
what is #6699cc in an image is not the same as #6699cc in a background when 
using windows, which is just brain damaged, period.

Then it was a png with a transparent background. there's a number of 
clients that don't support this 1997-era technology.

Now, it is a transparent .gif, which has issues with authoring tools 
because of unisys, and has only one layer of transparency.

every-choice-sucks-ly yr's,
--
-mindlace-
zopatista community liason


From bill@libc.org  Tue May 22 23:35:35 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 22 May 2001 16:35:35 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Re: Create a user admin page where an administrator can
 change the user roles
In-Reply-To: <0105221653150Q.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <01052110513008.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
 <01052209373802.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
 <990542833.2801.0.camel@locutus>
 <0105221653150Q.01799@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <990570935.3201.0.camel@locutus>

On 22 May 2001 16:53:15 +0200, Gitte Wange wrote:
...
> > > > You can see how the ZopeMembershipComponent does this by downloading
> > > > it, and installing it to a production server if you like. (it has such
> > > > a page)
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > >
> > > Do you have an URL to this?
> > > Couldn't find it on zope.org
> >
> > http://www.zope.org/Members/Bill/Products/Membership
> > http://zmc.immortalitysystems.net
> 
> I am already using CMF ...
> Do I really need to install this product to find out what method to call in 
> Zope in order to change the roles of a user ???

No, you could cruise the Zope documentation, perhaps the Zope API ..
this is just one option (and BTW, ZMC is not CMF, and can work _with_ it
if you like). you are free to find another means to get to your goal.






From jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu  Tue May 22 23:05:51 2001
From: jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu (John Hunter)
Date: 22 May 2001 17:05:51 -0500
Subject: [Zope] use different versions of same product?
Message-ID: <1rsnhxt4xs.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>

I would like to try and install the development version of WikiForNow
in parallel with my existing ZWiki.  Is it possible to use different
versions of a Product at the same time?

When I put ZWikiMaker.zexp in my import dir and try to import it, I
get a number of errors, the last of which is:

File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.0-src/./lib/python/App/ProductRegistry.py, line 131, in _manage_add_product_meta_type
    (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
Type Exists: (see above)

I take it the problem is that I already have registered ZWiki with a
previous version.  Is it possible to test drive new versions without
disabling the previous one?

John Hunter 


From kentsin@yahoo.com  Wed May 23 01:44:29 2001
From: kentsin@yahoo.com (kent sin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:44:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Sock error on windows 2000
Message-ID: <20010523004429.7517.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com>

I encounted this error 

Error Message: [Errno socket error] (10061, 'winsock
error') 

The document library, RSS summary and others.

I think it is related to windows 2000 or the ms proxy
server which is sitting between the internet and our
office network. 

When using resources inside the office network, the
document library is ok even with our company web pages
(intranet). 

Is this a known python error? I am running the python
1.52 bundle with zope 2.32b2.

Rgs,

Kent Sin

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From michael@centurysoftware.com.au  Wed May 23 02:01:01 2001
From: michael@centurysoftware.com.au (Michael Fox)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:01:01 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Testing if an image exists
Message-ID: <21F0488B9EF8D211A4830050040109444E609C@zeus.CenturySoftware.com.au>

Hello,

I have a folder called 'logos' which contains several images, and a session
variable called 'logo'.

I need to test if my session variable 'logo' matches the ID of an image
object in my 'logos' folder.

eg. I have an image in my 'logos' folder called 'mylogo' and the value of my
session variable is 'mylogo'.

So far I've come up with this dtml, which doesn't seem to work..

<dtml-with logos>
  <dtml-if _['logo']>
    <img src="logos/<dtml-var logo>">
  <dtml-else>
    no logo to display
  </dtml-if>
</dtml-with>

Has anyone had a similar need as above? can this be done?

Regards,

Michael Fox



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May 23 02:06:40 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 02:06:40 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Testing if an image exists
References: <21F0488B9EF8D211A4830050040109444E609C@zeus.CenturySoftware.com.au>
Message-ID: <00aa01c0e324$a0bd6b30$caa4403e@typhoon>

Michael,

Try something like, untested but looks good to me:

<dtml-with logos>
<dtml-if "_['logo'] in objectIds(['Image'])">
  <dtml-var "_.getitem(_['logo'])">
</dtml-if>
</dtml-with>

hth

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Fox" <michael@centurysoftware.com.au>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:01 AM
Subject: [Zope] Testing if an image exists


> Hello,
>
> I have a folder called 'logos' which contains several images, and a
session
> variable called 'logo'.
>
> I need to test if my session variable 'logo' matches the ID of an image
> object in my 'logos' folder.
>
> eg. I have an image in my 'logos' folder called 'mylogo' and the value of
my
> session variable is 'mylogo'.
>
> So far I've come up with this dtml, which doesn't seem to work..
>
> <dtml-with logos>
>   <dtml-if _['logo']>
>     <img src="logos/<dtml-var logo>">
>   <dtml-else>
>     no logo to display
>   </dtml-if>
> </dtml-with>
>
> Has anyone had a similar need as above? can this be done?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Fox
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From simon@joyful.com  Wed May 23 01:34:24 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 22 May 2001 17:34:24 -0700
Subject: [Zope] use different versions of same product?
In-Reply-To: <1rsnhxt4xs.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu> (John Hunter's message of "22 May 2001 17:05:51 -0500")
References: <1rsnhxt4xs.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <87ofskykbz.fsf@joyful.com>

In this case I think you're seeing a conflict between ZWiki's
ZWikiWebs.zexp and WFN's ZWikiMaker.zexp. I did this the other day,
IIRC go into the properties of the one you have installed and change
it's meta_type to something else. Then you can install the other.

Installing both python products simultaneously might be a bit more
involved, but it's probably the same principle.

-Simon


From sean@horse101.com  Wed May 23 03:27:42 2001
From: sean@horse101.com (Sean Kelley)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:27:42 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Choosing between ZODB and relational database/filesystem storage
Message-ID: <3B0B201E.12DA1D6@horse101.com>

Hi- general question...

How do you know when to go with a relational database such as Mysql and
when zope is ok for data storage? I am thinking of doing a
product/zclass that will store contact information and related
information (and either photos, or path to file system photo location)
and want to be comfortable on choosing Zope for the full
implementation.  The traffic would not be huge...less than a few
thousand visitors a day if i was lucky.

Also, if Zope becomes a problem down the road...how easy is it's data to
export to something which can be imported into something like mysql?
--
Sean Kelley




From Erik Myllymaki" <erik@pacific-shores.com  Wed May 23 03:26:01 2001
From: Erik Myllymaki" <erik@pacific-shores.com (Erik Myllymaki)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:26:01 -0700
Subject: [Zope] javascript problem
Message-ID: <000901c0e32f$b5dc5de0$0201a8c0@nanaimoserver>

I am using the following code to popup a new window that has a calendar in
it:

<A HREF="javascript:window.open('cal','calwin',width='300',height='300',
location='0',menubar='0',toolbar='0',scrollbars='auto')">NewWin</a>

the popup window works fine, but the problem is that the parent window
refreshes to a non-existent page called '0' after the new window is opened?

Here is a bit of the error page:

  <P><STRONG>Resource not found</STRONG></P>

  Sorry, the requested resource does not exist.<p>Check the URL and try
again.<p>
<!--
http://localhost:9090/frames/0
-->

The page it is used on is at http://localhost:9090/frames/leads

and the popup windoe source is in http://localhost:9090/frames/leads/cal

Where is the '0' coming from and why does the page refresh?

Thanks,

--

Erik Myllymaki
erik@pacific-shores.com



From Mailer-Daemon@gwise.louisville.edu  Wed May 23 03:30:40 2001
From: Mailer-Daemon@gwise.louisville.edu (Mailer-Daemon@gwise.louisville.edu)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:30:40 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Message status - undeliverable
Message-ID: <sb0ae890.057@gwise.louisville.edu>

This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to 
consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to 
properly handle MIME multipart messages.

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From wilson@visi.com  Wed May 23 03:37:58 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:37:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] Choosing between ZODB and relational database/filesystem
 storage
In-Reply-To: <3B0B201E.12DA1D6@horse101.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105222137350.16167-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Sean Kelley wrote:

> How do you know when to go with a relational database such as Mysql and
> when zope is ok for data storage?

Check out http://www.zope.org/Members/anthony/sql_vs_ZODB

-Tim

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From zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at>  Wed May 23 04:52:44 2001
From: zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at> (zope-mailinglist)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 05:52:44 +0200
Subject: [Zope] javascript problem
References: <000901c0e32f$b5dc5de0$0201a8c0@nanaimoserver>
Message-ID: <001a01c0e33b$e2c857d0$6400a8c0@monty>

you got the wron syntax for the open method of the window object

it takes the options as one string with comma delimited  items like this:
  NewWin=window.open(URL,name,"left=640,top=480");

best thing is to write a function to open the window, which assigns it to a
new variable like in the statement above
this may cause the opener win to change its source

cu

----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Myllymaki" <erik@pacific-shores.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:26 AM
Subject: [Zope] javascript problem


> I am using the following code to popup a new window that has a calendar in
> it:
>
> <A HREF="javascript:window.open('cal','calwin',width='300',height='300',
> location='0',menubar='0',toolbar='0',scrollbars='auto')">NewWin</a>
>
> the popup window works fine, but the problem is that the parent window
> refreshes to a non-existent page called '0' after the new window is
opened?
>
> Here is a bit of the error page:
>
>   <P><STRONG>Resource not found</STRONG></P>
>
>   Sorry, the requested resource does not exist.<p>Check the URL and try
> again.<p>
> <!--
> http://localhost:9090/frames/0
> -->
>
> The page it is used on is at http://localhost:9090/frames/leads
>
> and the popup windoe source is in http://localhost:9090/frames/leads/cal
>
> Where is the '0' coming from and why does the page refresh?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
>
> Erik Myllymaki
> erik@pacific-shores.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


From tim@freepm.org  Wed May 23 05:01:52 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:01:52 -0500
Subject: [Zope] javascript problem
References: <000901c0e32f$b5dc5de0$0201a8c0@nanaimoserver>
Message-ID: <3B0B3630.236FF52B@iswt.com>

Erik Myllymaki wrote:

> Where is the '0' coming from and why does the page refresh?
> 

I don't know why it refreshes, but it tries to load '0' because
that's the location you gave it. Either remove the location='0'
or change it to location='cal'

HTH,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From hannu@tm.ee  Wed May 23 04:44:14 2001
From: hannu@tm.ee (Hannu Krosing)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:44:14 +0500
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com> <3B0A3F34.AFB3F066@tm.ee> <3B0A7969.7E5FADD9@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B0B320E.A37766F2@tm.ee>

Chris Withers wrote:
> 
> Hannu Krosing wrote:
> >
> > Chris Withers wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat client for
> > > Zope, based on Python and hopefully using a ZEO connection to do most of the
> > > interaction.
> >
> > So have I ;)
> 
> What's the best way for us to pool efforts?

I'll try to make a small writeup of my efforts by end of week and also
provide a 
minimal working client (I had it somewhat working once but I have
outsmarted myself 
since ;()

-----------------
Hannu


From kosh@aesaeion.com  Wed May 23 08:15:12 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 01:15:12 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Zope] Testing for how an object is called.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105230113270.600-100000@aesaeion.com>

I have several kludge ways now that do the job but none I entirely like.
How can I check for the difference between being called with <dtml-var
foo> and being called from foo.com/foo ?

This behavior is used for both internal and external behavior of the
object.

Thanks

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org



From seb@jamkit.com  Wed May 23 09:37:57 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:37:57 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <3B0A8730.A7FDF549@nipltd.com>; from chrisw@nipltd.com on Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:35:12PM +0100
References: <200105221529.IAA00543@dns.pacang.com> <3B0A8730.A7FDF549@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010523093757.I2319@lenin.jamkit.com>

<snip stuff about ZopeStudio or whatever it'll be called>

Wouldn't a good place to start discussions and collaborations be a
fishbowl project?  Just a thought.

seb


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 09:04:39 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:04:39 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Groove and ZEO
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com> <vg8zjp8n67.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de> <3B0A9F00.DE75BAF@borwankar.com>
Message-ID: <3B0B6F17.73F33FF7@nipltd.com>

Nitin Borwankar wrote:
> 
> So going with ZEO seems like a step in the opposite direction,
> philosophically
> and from the point of view of functionality, since ZEO is a number of
> *servers* working together
> rather than a number of clients i.e. it's "server++" not "client++" as
> in Groove.

The difference between servers and clients is in the eye of the beholder ;-)

chris


From d.legg@ncl.ac.uk  Wed May 23 09:05:22 2001
From: d.legg@ncl.ac.uk (David Legg)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:05:22 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Iterating over REQUEST.form
Message-ID: <005d01c0e35f$1e3d3560$1ec6f080@ncl.ac.uk>

Hi all,

I'm sure somebody more clever than me can work this out. I'm getting results
back from a form (checkboxes), so I never know how many items I am going to
get back. What I want to be able to do is iterate over the contents of
REQUEST.form to be able to process each item, no matter how many results I
get from a form. Is there a way of doing this (I'm definitely sure there is
but I'm not seeing it), or perhaps there is a better way.

Thanks in advance,

David





From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 09:10:30 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:10:30 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
References: <200105221529.IAA00543@dns.pacang.com> <3B0A8730.A7FDF549@nipltd.com> <20010523093757.I2319@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3B0B7076.40400992@nipltd.com>

seb bacon wrote:
> 
> <snip stuff about ZopeStudio or whatever it'll be called>
> 
> Wouldn't a good place to start discussions and collaborations be a
> fishbowl project?  Just a thought.

I have to be honest and say I find Wiki's next to useless for this kind of
discussion, since I don't get prodded when new bits of discussion arrive.

If Ethan could give us a mailing list that would be cool, but, to be honest,
SourceForge comes with all the infrastructure nesessary, incudling mailing
lists, for this kind of project, it's easy to get going and doesn't  put any
strain on DC's resources...

cheers,

Chris


From Philippe.Bocquillon@trasys.be  Wed May 23 09:12:45 2001
From: Philippe.Bocquillon@trasys.be (Bocquillon Philippe)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:12:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Sock error on windows 2000
Message-ID: <D06271D708D0D2118F7D0008C71E399D03A15D0F@exchange.trasys.be>

If "RSS summary" you are refering to is the Zope module RDFSummary, then see
the new version of it (1.3) which solves the winsock error problem, at least
on Windows NT. It was a problem linked to the presence of a proxy server.

Philippe Bocquillon
European Organisation Projects
Trasys
7 av. Ariane
1200 Bruxelles

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kent sin [mailto:kentsin@yahoo.com]
> Sent: mercredi 23 mai 2001 2:44
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Sock error on windows 2000
> 
> 
> I encounted this error 
> 
> Error Message: [Errno socket error] (10061, 'winsock
> error') 
> 
> The document library, RSS summary and others.
> 
> I think it is related to windows 2000 or the ms proxy
> server which is sitting between the internet and our
> office network. 
> 
> When using resources inside the office network, the
> document library is ok even with our company web pages
> (intranet). 
> 
> Is this a known python error? I am running the python
> 1.52 bundle with zope 2.32b2.
> 
> Rgs,
> 
> Kent Sin
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> 
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From seb@jamkit.com  Wed May 23 09:47:28 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:47:28 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Choosing between ZODB and relational database/filesystem storage
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105222137350.16167-100000@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, May 22, 2001 at 09:37:58PM -0500
References: <3B0B201E.12DA1D6@horse101.com> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105222137350.16167-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <20010523094726.J2319@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> [010523 03:49]:
> On Tue, 22 May 2001, Sean Kelley wrote:
> 
> > How do you know when to go with a relational database such as Mysql and
> > when zope is ok for data storage?
> 
> Check out http://www.zope.org/Members/anthony/sql_vs_ZODB

I'd add that IMO you need a very good reason *not* to use the ZODB.  I
think I might start a Use ZODB campaign, in fact :)

It's fast, it's stable, and it's *convenient*.  Why bother with ZSQL
and the administrative overheads of running an extra server when you
can keep all your application needs in a single problem space?  The
only needs for using a RDBMS are:

 - _massive_ indexing requirements
 - when you want external access to data (e.g. ldap user database)

seb.


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May 23 09:21:40 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:21:40 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E012FD54E@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <00e201c0e361$709f6100$5c773fc1@media1>

RE: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat ClientWhat about
Mozilla, it's only heavy, slow, not yet ready etc.

btw, Jean-Francois, can you please not send HTML mail to the list, thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca
To: jeff@janix.com ; zope@zope.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


What about Mozilla?  It's cross-platform, work with Mac, Win and Unixes...



-----Message d'origine-----
De : Jeff Sasmor [mailto:jeff@janix.com]
Envoy=E9 : 22 mai, 2001 12:54
=C0 : zope@zope.org
Objet : [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


Chris,
If you are going to use wxPython, check out wxDesigner.
(http://www.roebling.de).  It's not free and it's not
Open Source, but it's only $US89 and it can
act as a decent RAD tool.  It can build a lot
of your app's GUI framework.
I have not used wxDesigner a lot yet, but I bought the
BlackAdder personal use (beta) package. Largely a
waste of money. It's debugger is nearly useless and BA
crashes constantly.  It's aspect as an extension of
QT designer is interesting, and it bears watching to
see if it improves when they bring out the real thing.
Wing IDE is nice for debugging.  Wing comes with
source, it's just not Open Source.
I think a combo of wxDesigner and Wing would
be nice (and it's what I am planning to use
myself till something better comes along.)




Jeff Sasmor
jeff@sasmor.com
Check out http://www.naggle.com/
Check out Blark for the Zope CMF at http://www.yellowbrain.com



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From antwan@dexus.nl  Wed May 23 09:28:34 2001
From: antwan@dexus.nl (Antwan Reijnen)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:28:34 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Choosing between ZODB and relational
 database/filesystem storage
In-Reply-To: <3B0B201E.12DA1D6@horse101.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010523102647.00fad2a0@pop.xs4all.nl>

Hi Sean,

these links provide some general, theoretical information on usage of 
Object Databases. Have fun!

http://www.databasetrends.com/99.december/12.per.thechanging.html

http://www.grandus.com/info/Demo/info/database/odbms/ObjectsVSRelational.html

Antwan.

At 07:27 PM 5/22/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi- general question...
>
>How do you know when to go with a relational database such as Mysql and
>when zope is ok for data storage? I am thinking of doing a
>product/zclass that will store contact information and related
>information (and either photos, or path to file system photo location)
>and want to be comfortable on choosing Zope for the full
>implementation.  The traffic would not be huge...less than a few
>thousand visitors a day if i was lucky.
>
>Also, if Zope becomes a problem down the road...how easy is it's data to
>export to something which can be imported into something like mysql?
>--
>Sean Kelley
>
>
>
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From magnus/Websys@websys.no  Wed May 23 09:26:24 2001
From: magnus/Websys@websys.no (magnus/Websys@websys.no)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:26:24 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Choosing between ZODB and relational database/filesystem storage
In-Reply-To: <20010523094726.J2319@lenin.jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <H00000680001434a.0990606067.sjef.websys.no@MHS>

> .. 'use ZODB' campaign

Actually my main motivation for using a separate database in many of our 
applications is that it forces me to have a well-documented data structure.

-Magnus



From kosh@aesaeion.com  Wed May 23 09:32:34 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 02:32:34 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Zope] isinstance issubclass and zope 2.4
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105230230400.600-100000@aesaeion.com>

Will isinstance and issubclass be fixed with the move to python 2.1 in
zope 2.4? This is a fairly important feature for the continued development
of some of my products. I can kludge things for now but I am very curious
about a complete solution.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org



From bill@libc.org  Wed May 23 09:39:57 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 23 May 2001 02:39:57 -0600
Subject: [Zope] xml-rpc authentication with loginmanager?
In-Reply-To: <00d901c0e279$d6c92300$0a03a8c0@erm>
References: <00d901c0e279$d6c92300$0a03a8c0@erm>
Message-ID: <990543605.2802.1.camel@locutus>

On 21 May 2001 21:44:08 -0700, Erik Myllymaki wrote:
> I have seen the additions some have suggested to use basic authentication
> through xml-rpc(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zope/message/59116), but so
> far I have bone-headed all my efforts to do the same through LoginManager
> with a SQL back-end.
> 
> Any advice from the zope experts out there?


Go to http://zmc.immortalitysystems.net to the software section, and
retreive the ZMC Manager GUI. It connects via xml-rpc. Study the code
for authenticating.




From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 23 09:44:24 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:44:24 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <3B0B7076.40400992@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231218320.919-100000@phd.fep.ru>

Hello!

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> > Wouldn't a good place to start discussions and collaborations be a
> > fishbowl project?  Just a thought.
>
> I have to be honest and say I find Wiki's next to useless for this kind of
> discussion, since I don't get prodded when new bits of discussion arrive.

   I, personnaly, just hate web-based collaboration. Cameron Laird and few
other people suggested me to try ZWiki. I tried. Now I hate web
collaboration even more :)

   Let me count pros and cons of web-based collaboration against e-mail:

1. Web is "pull technology". You need to download the entire page. How many
times do I need to read and reread messages on
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting - just to
see noone added new comment? Isn't it just a waste of traffic?
   On the other hand, e-mail is "push technology" - if someone replied I
guaranteed to get the reply right into my mailbox. And the reply usually
carries not too big amount of quoting.
   What web makes good is summarizing. With e-mail, one needs to summarize
and publish the summary explicitly.

2. Editing text is certainly weak point of the web. It is plainly nightmare
to edit text in those small <textarea>s that loose all decent editing
features. With e-mail, I can use whatever editor I prefer.
   And think about crashing. Crashes are oftne, especially in the world of
that "Blue Screen of Death" OS. But even on the more stable OSes browsers
crash often. And after the crash I have to go back to that page, redownload
it, and start my text from the very beginning. With e-mail and good editor,
even after crash (that are very seldom, BTW), I can just restore my editing
session and continue.

   I certainly missed many points. I'd be glad if anyone says his/her
words in favor (or agains) web or email-based collaboration.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From brabander@fsw.LeidenUniv.nl  Wed May 23 09:46:37 2001
From: brabander@fsw.LeidenUniv.nl (Cornelis J. de Brabander)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:46:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Delete quotes in strings
In-Reply-To: <00d901c0e2c7$e15fdfe0$38610ad5@pc1>
Message-ID: <01K3WFI8HA5EGTO70A@FSW.LEIDENUNIV.NL>

Hi Frank,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Frank
> Zorge
> Sent: dinsdag 22 mei 2001 16:03
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Delete quotes in strings
>
>
> Hi,
> Does anyone know how to delete quotes in strings, for instance delete the
> quotes in: 'hello'. I tried to use string.replace but I don't get
> the syntax
> right.
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('var',_.string.replace(var,''',' ')">
> Or maybe there's a better way?

<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('var',_.string.replace(var,'\'',' '))">
                                                    ^       ^
greetings, cb




From sturm@oliver-sturm.de  Wed May 23 10:06:45 2001
From: sturm@oliver-sturm.de (Oliver Sturm)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:06:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Getting the day from a Timestamp / gvibda
In-Reply-To: <3B0A4273.24602.38916AF5@localhost>
Message-ID: <32470000.990608805@lpc5>

On 22.05.2001 10:57:34 -0400 Brad Clements <bkc@murkworks.com> wrote:

>> I have a query returning a timestamp column from my interbase 6 database
>> using the Going Virtual database adapter. I want to extract the values of
>> the day/month/year ... from the variable. I tried this
> 
> Here are two Extension methods I use.. Pick one

[ ... cut ... ]

> <dtml-var "_.DateTime(date_column.tuple()).day()">
> 
> Based on this, I think this DTML might work

Very nice idea. But I keep having the same problem with the method
FormatDate and with that line you give above: When I try to use them (for
the method I created a python script and have this DTML: <dtml-var
"FormatDate(date_column, '%d/%m/%Y')"> ), a message box pops up telling me
my permissions are not good enough. I get the chance to re-enter my
authorization, but it doesn't work. Although I have a "Manager" account and
the Manager role has all permissions that is has by default (seems like
that's actually all there are, apart from "Take possession"), I get an
Unauthorized exception sooner or later. What funny kind of additional
permission setting is needed for this function?

Thanks a lot, Brad, for your help!

Oliver

-- 
Oliver Sturm / <sturm@oliver-sturm.de>



From sturm@oliver-sturm.de  Wed May 23 10:18:22 2001
From: sturm@oliver-sturm.de (Oliver Sturm)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:18:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Getting the day from a Timestamp / gvibda (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <3B0A4273.24602.38916AF5@localhost>
Message-ID: <33650000.990609502@lpc5>

On 22.05.2001 10:57:34 -0400 Brad Clements <bkc@murkworks.com> wrote:

>> I have a query returning a timestamp column from my interbase 6 database
>> using the Going Virtual database adapter. I want to extract the values of
>> the day/month/year ... from the variable. I tried this
> 
> Here are two Extension methods I use.. Pick one

[ ... cut ... ]

I have it now. I tried the very same thing with an external method and
suddenly it works. Seems like there's no access to the tuple() method as
long as Zope's in the way... I'd still be interested if there's a way to
get around this limitation. Thanks again, Brad!

Oliver

-- 
Oliver Sturm / <sturm@oliver-sturm.de>



From kosh@aesaeion.com  Wed May 23 10:22:15 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:22:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Solution: Re: [Zope] Testing for how an object is called.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105230113270.600-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105230318230.600-100000@aesaeion.com>

I know it is in bad taste to reply to my own messages but I found what I
feel is an elegant solution and figured others might need something like
this at some point.

In the REQUEST the PUBLISHED item contains a reference to the final object
that draws to the screen. The test ends up being

if self.REQUEST.PUBLISHED is self:
	Draw however you want if your object is the final object
displaying. I used this area to draw with the object wrapped with the
header and footer.
else:
	Draw however you want when the object is included via some method
like a dtml-var call.

Have fun

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Wed, 23 May 2001 kosh@aesaeion.com wrote:

> I have several kludge ways now that do the job but none I entirely like.
> How can I check for the difference between being called with <dtml-var
> foo> and being called from foo.com/foo ?
>
> This behavior is used for both internal and external behavior of the
> object.
>
> Thanks
>
> Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
> Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From arkbit@yahoo.com  Wed May 23 10:47:08 2001
From: arkbit@yahoo.com (Arkaitz)
Date: 23 May 2001 11:47:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] overriding index_html
Message-ID: <990611228.1832.28.camel@basajaun>

Hi all,

I'm writing some classes in a Python product, and I'd like to be able to
override their index_html view so that it can be specified by the folder
in which the instances reside. 
The idea is that if I have myfolder/view, being "view" a DTMLmethod, and
I call myfolder/myobject, it will be equivalent to calling
/myfolder/myobject/view, is this possible?

TIA,
Arkaitz. 




From steve@spvi.com  Wed May 23 10:41:14 2001
From: steve@spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:41:14 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Choosing between ZODB and relational database/filesystem storage
In-Reply-To: <3B0B201E.12DA1D6@horse101.com>
Message-ID: <200105230942.f4N9gHN36036@obsidian.spvi.com>

You may want to check out:

http://www.zope.org/Members/pje/ZPatterns

and

http://www.zope.org/Members/sspickle/DumbZPatternsExample

One of the neat features of ZPatterns is that you don't need to decide. 
I usually *start* with ZODB, then move to a relational solution only if 
necessary.

-steve

On Tuesday, May 22, 2001, at 09:27 PM, Sean Kelley wrote:

> Hi- general question...
>
> How do you know when to go with a relational database such as Mysql and
> when zope is ok for data storage? I am thinking of doing a
> product/zclass that will store contact information and related
> information (and either photos, or path to file system photo location)
> and want to be comfortable on choosing Zope for the full
> implementation.  The traffic would not be huge...less than a few
> thousand visitors a day if i was lucky.
>
> Also, if Zope becomes a problem down the road...how easy is it's data to
> export to something which can be imported into something like mysql?
> --
> Sean Kelley
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From etiennel@geospace.co.za  Wed May 23 10:45:45 2001
From: etiennel@geospace.co.za (Etienne Labuschagne)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:45:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Search engine returning all pages?
Message-ID: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC7AE@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>

Hi all 

I have the following search form:

<form action="IsisSearch\results" target="Main" method="get">
Search text in pages and page titles:<br>
<input name="GetAllBodyText" width="10"><input type="submit" value="Go">
</form>
<hr>
<form action="IsisSearch\results" target="Main" method="get">
Search only page titles:<br>
<input name="title" type="text" width="10"><input type="submit" value="Go">
</form>

The search engine indexes title and GetAllBodyText.

This gives the user a choice of searching only titles, or all the text
(Including title and body).  I have indexed a method called GetAllBodyText
which returns both the body text and title_or_id text to the search engine
to index (as one string).

When I enter a word (or nothing) in either of the search boxes above, the
search engine returns ALL the pages in the catalogue, rather than none.
What am I doing wrong?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Etienne




From gs@styrax.com  Wed May 23 12:57:43 2001
From: gs@styrax.com (Garry Steedman)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:57:43 +0000
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
In-Reply-To: <029b01c0dca6$1357d8e0$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <3B0BA5B7.18446.23420FCA@localhost>

Chris,

should this result in Zope crashing?

my experience is this:

Zope 2.3.2b source, Python 2.0 source on SuSE 6.4: if i ./start & 
Zope on the default terminal and log out of that terminal it never 
stays up for more than a day! if i ./start & from another terminal 
and stay logged in (which i have the luxury of being able to do for 
the moment), Zope keeps chugging away...

granted, ./start & is not the nicest way to do things, but if it can 
result in the process crashing, this should probably be flagged?

cheers,

Garry

On 14 May 2001, at 14:45, Chris McDonough wrote:

From:           	"Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
To:             	"Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>, <zope@zope.org>
Subject:        	Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
Date sent:      	Mon, 14 May 2001 14:45:39 -0400

> Oh wait.  Damn.  I had this conversation last week.  ;-)
> 
> You're starting Zope through something like this:
> 
> ./start &
> 
> You then close the terminal window, and Zope's controlling terminal
> disappears.... Zope is trying to send output to stdout, but stdout is
> gone. You get the IOError.
> 
> Instead of starting Zope this way, start Zope from a terminal that
> doesn't get closed.
> 
> - C
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> 
> 
> > Thanks Chris...
> >
> > I got 4 Gb left on the partition. Not enough for that log ?
> > There is no STUPID_LOG_FILE environment var set on the server ! Thus
> > (as far as my poor brain can understand) nothing should be logged !
> > So shouldn't this log to stderr or /dev/null (?) And there was no
> > such problem with Zope 2.3.0.
> >
> > I got the same problem on my 2 Zope prodction servers on Linux. On
> > the development server (Win2k/Zope 2.3.2), there's no such problem.
> >
> > And last... The data don't pack. (A cause or a consequence ?)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -- Gilles
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris McDonough
> > To: Gilles Lenfant ; zope@zope.org
> > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> >
> >
> > Check to make sure you have space available on the partition which
> > holds
> the
> > STUPID_LOG_FILE.  Make sure the user who the process is running
> > under has write access to the file.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
> > To: <zope@zope.org>
> > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:44 PM
> > Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >
> 
> 
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+-------------------------------------------+
  Garry Steedman      mailto:gs@styrax.com  
  Styrax Associates  http://www.styrax.com/ 

  "The Good Man has no shape..."            
+-------------------------------------------+


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 11:04:18 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:04:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <139EE72D26C0D411845F00508BF9398E012FD54E@msxg2mtl1.hydro.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <3B0B8B22.185D61F0@nipltd.com>

> Menard.Jean-Francois@hydro.qc.ca wrote:
> 
> What about Mozilla?  It's cross-platform, work with Mac, Win and Unixes...

many people have had bad experiences with Mozilla. Slowness and falkiness are
the two viewpoints that raise the most concerns with me :-S

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 11:08:14 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:08:14 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDF8B@exch-mdsn-usa.persoft.com>
Message-ID: <3B0B8C0E.642397A1@nipltd.com>

"Dunigan, Craig" wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm no Python or Zope guru, but I have had some limited experience with
> wxPython and XML-RPC.  Another developer here wrote a Zope fat client for
> user file management using them, and I have to maintain and enhance it.  I'd
> be delighted to help out with a project like this in any way I can, maybe as
> a tester or to do grunt work?
> 
> Anyway, my vote is for wxPython, like everybody else.

That's great to hear. It looks like wxPython is the clear winner here. Your
experience will no doubt be invaluable so please jump in when the project at
SourceForge becomes available :-)

cheers,

Chris


From dvg@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 23 11:09:53 2001
From: dvg@vet.uu.nl (Diny van der Donk)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:09:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Iterating over REQUEST.form
In-Reply-To: <005d01c0e35f$1e3d3560$1ec6f080@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010523120953.007c28a0@mail.vet.uu.nl>

At 09:05 AM 5/23/01 +0100, David Legg wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm sure somebody more clever than me can work this out. I'm getting results
>back from a form (checkboxes), so I never know how many items I am going to
>get back. What I want to be able to do is iterate over the contents of
>REQUEST.form to be able to process each item, no matter how many results I
>get from a form. Is there a way of doing this (I'm definitely sure there is
>but I'm not seeing it), or perhaps there is a better way.
>

I found this in the mailing list archives for you. Thanks to Tom P.

<ul><dtml-in "REQUEST.form.keys()">
     <li><dtml-var sequence-item> values:<ul>
     <dtml-in "REQUEST.form[_['sequence-item']]">
             <li><dtml-var sequence-item><br>
     </dtml-in>
     </ul>
</dtml-in>
</ul>

Regards,

Diny

DIVA, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine
Utrecht University,  The Netherlands
http://www.vet.uu.nl 


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 11:11:00 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:11:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <06dd01c0e2df$dd3a8c40$1a931340@NETKOOK>
Message-ID: <3B0B8CB4.30C7D5D3@nipltd.com>

Jeff Sasmor wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> If you are going to use wxPython, check out wxDesigner.
> (http://www.roebling.de).  It's not free and it's not
> Open Source, but it's only $US89 and it can
> act as a decent RAD tool.  It can build a lot
> of your app's GUI framework.

Thanks Jeff, I've passed the info on to Andy :-)

> I have not used wxDesigner a lot yet, but I bought the
> BlackAdder personal use (beta) package. Largely a
> waste of money. It's debugger is nearly useless and BA
> crashes constantly.  It's aspect as an extension of
> QT designer is interesting, and it bears watching to
> see if it improves when they bring out the real thing.

Well, I haven't heard anything good about this yet :-S

> Wing IDE is nice for debugging.  Wing comes with
> source, it's just not Open Source.

Wierd huh? The same is ture for the game "Severance - Blade of Darkness", which
looks to be mostly written in Python, which I was reall impressed with :-)

> I think a combo of wxDesigner and Wing would
> be nice (and it's what I am planning to use
> myself till something better comes along.)

Well, do jump in with your thoughts when the mailing list is available :-)

cheers,

Chris


From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May 23 11:13:29 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:13:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Flat HTML Files
In-Reply-To: <p05100c01b72f7ea6ad30@[10.0.1.45]>
References: <p05100c01b72f7ea6ad30@[10.0.1.45]>
Message-ID: <12362883.990620009@BUZZER>

Hi BZ,

--On Montag, 21. Mai 2001 22:27 -0400 BZ <bz@bwanazulia.com> wrote:

> Hey Jake,
>
> Two ways to attack this...
>
> 1) use load_site.py to load all your old static html into Zope (which
> it will eat up and spit out very nicely) and just develop alongside
> of it in versions
>
> or
>
> 2) Just FTP it all in.

I understand he wants to other way round :) Not getting
the files in but getting the files out of zope ;)

Hi Jake,

sure, you can easy check out the static files every time
you make changes. This seems logical at first bu has
some drawbacks: you have to check out every file. You cant
easyly implement functionality with user interaction if
you want this some time. And last not least during
your updating, the site is inconsistent (imagine writing a
html file which is accessed the same time by a user)

The way I recommend is setting up a proxy (for high performance
use squid) and give your objects cache times. See the new cache
objetcs in zope - this way you can automatically refresh your
objects into the downstream proxy.

This gives you both flexibility and performance. (squid can
also cache according to accept-data (language, variants, ...)

Regards
Tino Wildenhain


> At 1:39 PM -0400 5/21/01, Vanderdray, Jake wrote:
>>	I'm interested in using Zope to develop an existing web site.  To
>> start with I've recreated most of the site in Zope, separating content
>> from design as I went.  I would now like to publish the site in plain
>> HTML format (what the browser gets now when pointed at my Zope site),
>> and serve it up as a static site from my production server.  Is there a
>> Zope based tool for doing this, or should I use something like wget?
>> I'm open to other suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jake.
>>
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From etiennel@geospace.co.za  Wed May 23 11:14:26 2001
From: etiennel@geospace.co.za (Etienne Labuschagne)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:14:26 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Search engine returning all pages?
Message-ID: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC7AF@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>

Hi all,

Ok I have fixed half of my problem.  The engine now searches correctly,
except when I enter nothing in the boxes.  When nothing is entered, I still
get all the pages.  Now this may be correct in a sense (all pages contain
some text and some nothing!), but I'd prefer to rather not receive anything
if nothing is inputted.  I can do a pre-check with JavaScript, but would
prefer not to do this.

Thanks
Etienne

-----Original Message-----
From: Etienne Labuschagne [mailto:etiennel@geospace.co.za]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:46 AM
To: Zope user list (E-mail)
Subject: [Zope] Search engine returning all pages?


Hi all 

I have the following search form:

<form action="IsisSearch\results" target="Main" method="get">
Search text in pages and page titles:<br>
<input name="GetAllBodyText" width="10"><input type="submit" value="Go">
</form>
<hr>
<form action="IsisSearch\results" target="Main" method="get">
Search only page titles:<br>
<input name="title" type="text" width="10"><input type="submit" value="Go">
</form>

The search engine indexes title and GetAllBodyText.

This gives the user a choice of searching only titles, or all the text
(Including title and body).  I have indexed a method called GetAllBodyText
which returns both the body text and title_or_id text to the search engine
to index (as one string).

When I enter a word (or nothing) in either of the search boxes above, the
search engine returns ALL the pages in the catalogue, rather than none.
What am I doing wrong?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Etienne



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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 11:19:17 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:19:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com> <vg8zjp8n67.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
Message-ID: <3B0B8EA5.26AA66DF@nipltd.com>

Alastair Burt wrote:
> 
> Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:
> 
> > A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat client for
> > Zope
> 
> What is a fat client?

The opposite of a thin client ;-)

Thin clients have no business logic happening at their end of the connection.
Fat client 'do more cool stuff', as it were. Think the Lotus Notes client, as
opposed to a web browser...

> On a related note (I think?), how hard would it be to build a Groove-like
> system with ZEO?  

Wow, now there's an interesting thought :-)

> I have never used Groove, but it sounds like a useful
> groupware tool for everyman.  If the basis of Groove is incremental
> synchronisation of shared databases, then ZEO seems to offer similar
> functionality, especially if it encrypted the synchronisation protocol,
> which is what you, Chris, mentioned doing in a previous post.

Yup, if someone could make this spin work, I'd be overjoyed. However, I think
this would need some big changes at the ZODB level, so I'm not in a position to
state this as a possible aim ;-)

Maybe version 2?

cheers,

Chris


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 11:24:41 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:24:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope Fat Client Project
Message-ID: <3B0B8FE9.4EBC35E7@nipltd.com>

Hi,

Just to let everyone know:

I was totally blown away by the energy and enthusiasm for the Zope Fat Client
stuff. So much so that I've gone ahead and applied for a Source Forge poject.
The aim of this is to get some kind fo shared space that's devoted to the
project so we can all explore what it is we want from it and how we're going to
implement it.

I'll let you know when I get a notification back :-)

cheers, and thanks for all the input, this has a pretty good feel about it right
now...

Chris


From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Wed May 23 11:30:06 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:30:06 +0800
Subject: [Zope] index.html problem
In-Reply-To: <990538802.3b0a6c3285179@mailhost.math.uni-potsdam.de>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMEEMMECAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

how come when we changed our filenames from index_html to index.html things
started to get messy?

some pages appear properly but some retrieve pages from other directories.

is there a *rule* that we can't change this?


Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

Summit Interactive, Inc.
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femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
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From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May 23 11:31:53 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:31:53 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com> <vg8zjp8n67.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de> <3B0B8EA5.26AA66DF@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <018301c0e373$95f96e70$5c773fc1@media1>

Most of what Groove does could be done with Jabber and Zope imo.

Which just happens to be something I'm working on in my spare time.

Already got Zope acting as a Jabber client, both natively and via xml-rpc.

If anyone else is interested in this then I've got a jabber server working
24/7 which has the xml-rpc and web bits bolted on.  Let me know if you want
access.

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "Alastair Burt" <burt@dfki.de>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


> Alastair Burt wrote:
> >
> > Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:
> >
> > > A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat
client for
> > > Zope
> >
> > What is a fat client?
>
> The opposite of a thin client ;-)
>
> Thin clients have no business logic happening at their end of the
connection.
> Fat client 'do more cool stuff', as it were. Think the Lotus Notes client,
as
> opposed to a web browser...
>
> > On a related note (I think?), how hard would it be to build a
Groove-like
> > system with ZEO?
>
> Wow, now there's an interesting thought :-)
>
> > I have never used Groove, but it sounds like a useful
> > groupware tool for everyman.  If the basis of Groove is incremental
> > synchronisation of shared databases, then ZEO seems to offer similar
> > functionality, especially if it encrypted the synchronisation protocol,
> > which is what you, Chris, mentioned doing in a previous post.
>
> Yup, if someone could make this spin work, I'd be overjoyed. However, I
think
> this would need some big changes at the ZODB level, so I'm not in a
position to
> state this as a possible aim ;-)
>
> Maybe version 2?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
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From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May 23 11:35:12 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:35:12 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com> <vg8zjp8n67.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de> <3B0B8EA5.26AA66DF@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <01a701c0e374$17269590$5c773fc1@media1>

As an addition to my previous post about jabber, someone on the
Jabber-Python list is building a jabber server in Python, which it seems
might  become the reference implementation rather than the C version, *very
interesting*.

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: "Alastair Burt" <burt@dfki.de>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


> Alastair Burt wrote:
> >
> > Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:
> >
> > > A couple of us here at NIP are playing around with building a fat
client for
> > > Zope
> >
> > What is a fat client?
>
> The opposite of a thin client ;-)
>
> Thin clients have no business logic happening at their end of the
connection.
> Fat client 'do more cool stuff', as it were. Think the Lotus Notes client,
as
> opposed to a web browser...
>
> > On a related note (I think?), how hard would it be to build a
Groove-like
> > system with ZEO?
>
> Wow, now there's an interesting thought :-)
>
> > I have never used Groove, but it sounds like a useful
> > groupware tool for everyman.  If the basis of Groove is incremental
> > synchronisation of shared databases, then ZEO seems to offer similar
> > functionality, especially if it encrypted the synchronisation protocol,
> > which is what you, Chris, mentioned doing in a previous post.
>
> Yup, if someone could make this spin work, I'd be overjoyed. However, I
think
> this would need some big changes at the ZODB level, so I'm not in a
position to
> state this as a possible aim ;-)
>
> Maybe version 2?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 11:37:10 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:37:10 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Search engine returning all pages?
References: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC7AF@TERRASERVER.GEOSPACE.CO.ZA>
Message-ID: <3B0B92D6.D7612EBC@nipltd.com>

Etienne Labuschagne wrote:
> 
> if nothing is inputted.  I can do a pre-check with JavaScript, but would
> prefer not to do this.

your JavaScript pre-check or writing a Python script that checks for this and
then returns the ZCatalog search
results only if search terms are specified are the only way you'll get this to
work.

cheers,

Chris


From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May 23 11:42:22 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:42:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZPT] escaping chars in tal
References: <3B0B8F84.6B1274BB@iconmedialab.dk>
Message-ID: <00f301c0e375$0e93cd20$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Isn't it just to double it
Instead of bad and breaking ;
use the escaped ;;

P
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Olsen" <thomas@iconmedialab.dk>
To: "Zope Page Templates" <zpt@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:23 PM
Subject: [ZPT] escaping chars in tal


> Hi I'm trying to set the attributes in a meta tag. I have tried:
> 
> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="dummy" tal:attributes="content
> python:('%s; URL=%s' % (here.refreshrate, here.absolute_url()))">
> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="dummy" tal:attributes="content
> string:python:('%s%s%s' % (here.refreshrate, '; URL=',
> here.absolute_url()))">
> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="dummy" tal:attributes="content
> python:('%s; URL=%s' % (here.refreshrate, here.absolute_url()))">
> 
> and other variation of this but to no avail. Every time there is a semi
> colon or an equality sign in the expression Zope barfs saying something
> like:
> Products.PageTemplates.TALES.CompilerError: invalid variable name
> "absolute_url()))"
> 
> If I try without the semi color or equality sign it works OK?
> -- 
> Thomas Olsen
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> 
> Do not meddle in the affairs of programmers, for they are easy to annoy,
> and have all the source code!!!
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From seb@jamkit.com  Wed May 23 12:32:32 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:32:32 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231218320.919-100000@phd.fep.ru>; from phd@phd.fep.ru on Wed, May 23, 2001 at 12:44:24PM +0400
References: <3B0B7076.40400992@nipltd.com> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231218320.919-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <20010523123228.A11382@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> [010523 09:50]:
> Hello!
> 
> On Wed, 23 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> > > Wouldn't a good place to start discussions and collaborations be a
> > > fishbowl project?  Just a thought.
> >
> > I have to be honest and say I find Wiki's next to useless for this kind of
> > discussion, since I don't get prodded when new bits of discussion arrive.
> 
>    I, personnaly, just hate web-based collaboration. Cameron Laird and few
> other people suggested me to try ZWiki. I tried. Now I hate web
> collaboration even more :)

I agree with both of you.  However, one thing that can be said for the
fishbowl process is: you end up with a nice, standardised technical
architecture and the basis for documentation in the future.  Still,
not necessarily a good enough reason not to use SourceForge...

seb


From Albert.Langer@Directory-Designs.org  Wed May 23 12:00:19 2001
From: Albert.Langer@Directory-Designs.org (Albert Langer)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:00:19 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Zope Fat Client Project - IE 5.5 browser freezes when accessing Source Forge
In-Reply-To: <3B0B8FE9.4EBC35E7@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <001701c0e378$0f384320$6628a8c0@nowhere.com>

Source Forge project for this sounds great!

More than slightly Off Topic, but I have a bizarre problem of being unable
to access SourceForge from IE 5.5 on Win98SE which I just haven't had time
to deal with, though I guess I'll have to now to follow this very
interesting
project.

More than 90% of the time when I click on a Source Forge link my browser
completely freezes (not just that window) requiring a complete browser
restart. Seems to be associated with the ads display.

My guess is that it's some bizarre phenomenon unique to me that isn't
worth investigating and I should just fire up Netscape when accessing
Sourceforge. I used to have no problem and cannot recall any change
at my end before the problem started quite a while ago.

Other possibility is that maybe almost everyone who uses Sourceforge
does so using Netscape anyway so the problem exists at their end and
either hasn't been reported and fixed or has been reported and won't
be fixed because they don't particularly care about IE users.

Just occurred to me that Zope Source Forge users might include a
higher proportion of IE users than average so somebody might be
able to tell me if it's a known problem or if there is a known
solution other than switching to Netscape.

As this is Off Topic, if anyone wants to help, please reply just to
me, not the list, with either confirmation that you are able to access
Source Forge regularly using IE (mention version number) and Windows
(ditto) or if you have experienced this problem yourself (with same
info) and even better if you know of any solution.

I'll summarize to list if any of the people replying ask me to.

BTW another possibility that occurred to me, equally Off Topic, is that
weird Australian pretense at internet censorship could be causing this
in view of it appearing to happen while downloading ads - ie the Telstra
Bigpond cable ISP may be blocking some ads site that also handles porn
and the blocking may be causing the freeze (though I don't see how that
could cause *all* further use of browser to freeze).

So responses from other Australian Bigpond cable users would be especially
interesting (though a discussion of either the stupidity of Australian
censorship
or the wisdom of using Netscape rather than IE on this list would not ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Chris
Withers
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:25 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Cc: andyd@nipltd.com
Subject: [Zope] Zope Fat Client Project


Hi,

Just to let everyone know:

I was totally blown away by the energy and enthusiasm for the Zope Fat
Client
stuff. So much so that I've gone ahead and applied for a Source Forge
poject.
The aim of this is to get some kind fo shared space that's devoted to the
project so we can all explore what it is we want from it and how we're going
to
implement it.

I'll let you know when I get a notification back :-)

cheers, and thanks for all the input, this has a pretty good feel about it
right
now...

Chris

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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 12:27:50 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:27:50 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope Fat Client Project (update)
References: <3B0B8FE9.4EBC35E7@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B0B9EB6.62A2DD07@nipltd.com>

Chris Withers wrote:
> 
> 
> I'll let you know when I get a notification back :-)

Well, the project is up there now:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/zfc/

The mailing list is one the way, so I hope veryone can get stuck in :-)

cheers,

Chris


From msg4bob@yahoo.com  Wed May 23 12:53:35 2001
From: msg4bob@yahoo.com (Bobby Mathew)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:23:35 +0530
Subject: [Zope] The events based programming model for Zope ?
Message-ID: <001c01c0e37f$009b3fa0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>

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Hi guys,

i dont know if this is the right forum for raising this kind of ideas - =
forgive me if its not. I was thinking about an event based model for the =
application servers like zope which would make life easier for the =
programmers. Just like the db triggers, mouse events etc....it would be =
great if a web server would include triggers internally like - page =
closed, page opened, page validation, object start, object destroy, and =
so on.... just thinking if anyone else has done anything like this - is =
this even a valid model for the web model.

I feel this would greatly simplify programming because if the =
programmers had to just trap the events and do the relevant coding for =
that then there could truly be a Rapid Web development Tools and Rapid =
prototyping etc which would also bring greater speed to the development =
cycle itself overall on the web.

Any ideas ? What do you guys say ? Can Zope be extended this way by =
implementing a layer within zope that raises these triggers and letting =
the programmers trap these events ? Any plans ?

Well just shooting off some ideas - pardon me if it sounds stupid.

regards
bobby

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life=20
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etc....it=20
would be great if a web server would include triggers internally like - =
page=20
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so=20
on.... just thinking if anyone else has done anything like this - is =
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valid model for the web model.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I feel this would greatly simplify =
programming=20
because if the programmers had to just trap the events and do the =
relevant=20
coding for that then there could truly be a Rapid Web development Tools =
and=20
Rapid prototyping etc which would also bring greater speed to the =
development=20
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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 23 12:48:26 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:48:26 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] The events based programming model for Zope ?
In-Reply-To: <001c01c0e37f$009b3fa0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231546010.12344-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Bobby Mathew wrote:
> great if a web server would include triggers internally like - page
> closed

   What do you mean? How server can know about it at all? This is done on
client side, and client doesn't notify server about it. It seems you
completely messed client-side and server-side things.
   On the client side you can use JavaScript. There are triggers onLoad,
onUnload, etc.

Oleg.
----
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From msg4bob@yahoo.com  Wed May 23 13:19:34 2001
From: msg4bob@yahoo.com (Bobby Mathew)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:49:34 +0530
Subject: [Zope] The events based programming model for Zope ?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231546010.12344-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <000b01c0e382$a10fe140$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>

Good point. Didnt think that thru that much, well can sessions be
automatically done ?? Start Session, Session End Event instead ??? How about
the object database in zope triggering events like start object instance,
etc....., and other possible events at least ???

Just thinking up some possibilities !!! What do you say ?

bobby

----- Original Message -----
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>
To: Bobby Mathew <msg4bob@yahoo.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] The events based programming model for Zope ?


> On Wed, 23 May 2001, Bobby Mathew wrote:
> > great if a web server would include triggers internally like - page
> > closed
>
>    What do you mean? How server can know about it at all? This is done on
> client side, and client doesn't notify server about it. It seems you
> completely messed client-side and server-side things.
>    On the client side you can use JavaScript. There are triggers onLoad,
> onUnload, etc.
>
> Oleg.
> ----
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>            Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
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>
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 13:15:49 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:15:49 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope Fat Client Project (Houston we are go!)
References: <3B0B8FE9.4EBC35E7@nipltd.com> <3B0B9EB6.62A2DD07@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B0BA9F5.A0A4AD71@nipltd.com>

Well, the SourceForge project and mailing list are set up :-)

The SourceForge project:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/zfc/

The mailing list:
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/zfc-discuss

If anyone wants to be a project developer, just mail me your SourceForge user
name.

Apart from that, I look forward to seeing those of you who are interested on the
new list :-)

cheers,

Chris


From burt@dfki.de  Wed May 23 13:29:31 2001
From: burt@dfki.de (Alastair Burt)
Date: 23 May 2001 14:29:31 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Groove and ZEO
In-Reply-To: <3B0B6F17.73F33FF7@nipltd.com>
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com>
 <vg8zjp8n67.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
 <3B0A9F00.DE75BAF@borwankar.com> <3B0B6F17.73F33FF7@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <vgsnhw6yfo.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>

Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:

> Nitin Borwankar wrote:
> > 
> > So going with ZEO seems like a step in the opposite direction,
> > philosophically and from the point of view of functionality, since ZEO
> > is a number of *servers* working together rather than a number of
> > clients i.e. it's "server++" not "client++" as in Groove.
> 
> The difference between servers and clients is in the eye of the beholder ;-)

As I understand the ZEO architecture there is one Zope Storage Server (ZSS)
that handles writes and many instantiations of Client Storage (CS) that
can handle reads.  You would have Groove-like (groovy?) functionality if:

   1) The ZODB on one site could consist of CS instantiations for several
      ZSS servers, each one representing a shared workspace.

   2) To be fully buzzword compliant you enabled a peer-to-peer
      architecture. Thus a ZODB knows it wants workspace A; it looks for
      one on the net; if it finds one in makes a local CS for A, if not it
      starts a ZSS. This begs the question: what happens if two ZSS end up
      being started for the same workspace? I guess Groove must have some
      means to stop this happening, or some framework for merging changes.

   3) You encrypted the synchronisation protocol between the CS's and the ZSS.

Thus by adding a Persistent mixin to a Python class and adding a few well
placed calls to "get_transaction().commit()", you would allow it to
synchronise efficiently and securely with any other Python program on the
planet. Such an architecture sounds cool.  It might even be useful.

--- Alastair



From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May 23 13:55:33 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:55:33 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
References: <3B0BA5B7.18446.23420FCA@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B0BB345.85F87F95@digicool.com>

Hi Garry,

Hmmm, we haven't had any reports that Zope outright crashes due to a
missing stdout.  Note that the first thing to try is to run Zope 2.3.2
final under Python 1.5.2 (the stable Zope release under the Python
platform that is recommended to run under - Zope 2.4 will be/is Python
2.X ready). If it still happens under this environment, do you think you
might be able to submit a report to the Collector
(http://classic.zope.org:8080/Collector) describing the bug and crash in
as much detail as you can provide?


- C


Garry Steedman wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> should this result in Zope crashing?
> 
> my experience is this:
> 
> Zope 2.3.2b source, Python 2.0 source on SuSE 6.4: if i ./start &
> Zope on the default terminal and log out of that terminal it never
> stays up for more than a day! if i ./start & from another terminal
> and stay logged in (which i have the luxury of being able to do for
> the moment), Zope keeps chugging away...
> 
> granted, ./start & is not the nicest way to do things, but if it can
> result in the process crashing, this should probably be flagged?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Garry
> 
> On 14 May 2001, at 14:45, Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> From:                   "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>
> To:                     "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>, <zope@zope.org>
> Subject:                Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> Date sent:              Mon, 14 May 2001 14:45:39 -0400
> 
> > Oh wait.  Damn.  I had this conversation last week.  ;-)
> >
> > You're starting Zope through something like this:
> >
> > ./start &
> >
> > You then close the terminal window, and Zope's controlling terminal
> > disappears.... Zope is trying to send output to stdout, but stdout is
> > gone. You get the IOError.
> >
> > Instead of starting Zope this way, start Zope from a terminal that
> > doesn't get closed.
> >
> > - C
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
> > To: <zope@zope.org>
> > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Chris...
> > >
> > > I got 4 Gb left on the partition. Not enough for that log ?
> > > There is no STUPID_LOG_FILE environment var set on the server ! Thus
> > > (as far as my poor brain can understand) nothing should be logged !
> > > So shouldn't this log to stderr or /dev/null (?) And there was no
> > > such problem with Zope 2.3.0.
> > >
> > > I got the same problem on my 2 Zope prodction servers on Linux. On
> > > the development server (Win2k/Zope 2.3.2), there's no such problem.
> > >
> > > And last... The data don't pack. (A cause or a consequence ?)
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > -- Gilles
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Chris McDonough
> > > To: Gilles Lenfant ; zope@zope.org
> > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:46 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> > >
> > >
> > > Check to make sure you have space available on the partition which
> > > holds
> > the
> > > STUPID_LOG_FILE.  Make sure the user who the process is running
> > > under has write access to the file.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
> > > To: <zope@zope.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:44 PM
> > > Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From ol1@v10a.com  Wed May 23 13:57:24 2001
From: ol1@v10a.com (oivvio polite)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:57:24 +0200
Subject: [Zope] dtml from LocalFS?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105230113270.600-100000@aesaeion.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105230113270.600-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <01052314572400.22726@babar>

I'm building my first Zope site and I plan on having most of it in a 
LocalFS because local files works nice with CVS, grep, Emacs and all the 
other stuff that I'm used to.

Now I'm having problems serving dtml from a LocalFS. How do I get Zope 
to treat a file in a LocalFS as dtml? Is it possible? Is it a Good Thing 
(TM), or should forget all about it and just store everything in Data.fs. Is
Data.fs the way to do things in Zope, or are there many ways to do it?


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From igor@emun.com  Wed May 23 13:48:24 2001
From: igor@emun.com (Igor Leturia)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:48:24 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Help for building an intranet
Message-ID: <003a01c0e386$a8baa160$1600000a@emun22>

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  Hi everyone!

  I'm a newbie in Zope. So far I have installed and tried Zope, followed =
the tutorial and done a very simple application.

  The problem is I have to make an intranet for my company, as fast as =
possible and as easy to use for the people in my company as possible. I =
want people to be able to add new material to the intranet, but without =
having to upload it in Zope (could be too complicated for them). The =
easiest way would be to let them copy the material to a folder in the =
server's hard disk. Is there any Zope product or add-in that lets me see =
the files of a folder in the hard disk, so I can dynamically arrange a =
menu depending on the files of a folder in the hard disk?

  Also, I would like to restrict the access to these files on the hard =
disk depending on the access rights defined for the files in the local =
hard disk. Is it possible to do this, I mean reading the access rights =
of a file in the hard disk? The operating system is Windows 2000 Server.

  And finally, I would like the users not to have to log in (enter user =
name and password) again in Zope, as they have already logged in the =
domain when switching on the computer. Is it possible to obtain what =
user name the user has logged in the domain with? Again, the operating =
system is Windows 2000 Server.

  Thanks in advance,

                                                Igor Leturia

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From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May 23 14:05:22 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:05:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Write out "
In-Reply-To: <0105211506070B.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <0105211506070B.02107@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <22675419.990630321@BUZZER>

Hi Gitte,

you schould try to not have to assemble HTML-tags
from dtml. Either use python methods or better use
dtml only as template as it is supposed.

<body bgcolor="color"> schould be substituted by CSS
anyway.

regards
Tino

--On Montag, 21. Mai 2001 15:06 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I need to write out the character "
> How ?
>
> I can't do this:
> <dtml-let string="'<body bgcolor="#000000"'">
>
> I have tried with:
> <dtml-let string="<body bgcolor=\"#000000\"'">
> but that doesn't work either.
>
> How do I do it ?
>
> Gitte
>
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From erlewein@gmx.net  Wed May 23 14:05:56 2001
From: erlewein@gmx.net (Oliver Erlewein)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:05:56 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Zope] Problems with ZopeTime
Message-ID: <12155.990623156@www20.gmx.net>

Hi

I'm having Problems with ZopeTime. The only occurence of ZopeTime I use in
the problematic ZClass (Forumbeitrag_addForm) states:

<input type=hidden name="datum" value="<dtml-var ZopeTime fmt="%Y/%m/%d -
%H:%M:%S">">

When calling as Manager it works just fine. I get following traceback when
trying to call as a "user" with reduced rights:

  File D:\Zope\PortalSQS05\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File D:\Zope\PortalSQS05\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 187, in
publish
  File D:\Zope\PortalSQS05\lib\python\Zope\__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: RoleManager)
  File D:\Zope\PortalSQS05\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 171, in
publish
  File D:\ZOPE\PortalSQS05\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\Zope\PortalSQS05\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\ZOPE\PortalSQS05\lib\python\App\Factory.py, line 178, in
index_html
    (Object: RoleManager)
  File D:\Zope\PortalSQS05\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line 189, in
__call__
    (Object: Forumbeitrag_addForm)
  File D:\ZOPE\PortalSQS05\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_String.py, line
538, in __call__
    (Object: Forumbeitrag_addForm)
  File D:\ZOPE\PortalSQS05\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Var.py, line 276,
in render
    (Object: ZopeTime)
KeyError: (see above)

What's wrong? I can't find anything that would solve my problem. I havn't
even got a clue appart from the feeling that it has something to do with the
authorization.

I'm running on NT4 and Zope 2.3.2.

Thanx
Oliver

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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 23 14:08:26 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:08:26 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] The events based programming model for Zope ?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c0e382$a10fe140$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231707140.12797-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Bobby Mathew wrote:
> Good point. Didnt think that thru that much, well can sessions be
> automatically done ?? Start Session, Session End Event instead ??? How about

   Start session upon invocation of the page. Session End is impossible.
Solutions: timeout, or explicit request from user.

> the object database in zope triggering events like start object instance,

   It does it when user (browser, really) request a page.

Oleg.
----
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           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 23 14:08:33 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:08:33 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre2
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010523144918.30070A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi,

I'm pleased to announce the availability of ZShell 1.0pre2.

ZShell is an external Zope method which allows you to
manipulate the ZODB using standard unix shell's commands
from within Zope's Management Interface in your web
browser.

ZShell is licensed under the GNU General Public Licence, with 
some clarifications of my own concerning it's use with Zope.

You can download it from:

        http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

Every time I want to go into "feature freeze" mode, then I add new
funny commands !

New features are:
=================

	* The su command: 
		- allow people to execute ZShell commands as
                  another user. If the user isn't a Manager
                  then the correct user's password is needed.
		- Doesn't allow multiple commands, and su state 
		  is not preserved from one launch to the other: 
		  You have to do multiple su for that.

	* The export command:
		- can export many objects at a time. 
		- can't export to local machine because of a 
		  bug in Zope 2.3.2 and my lazyness to get around it.

	* The nipltd command (not a joke):
		- search phrases in NIP Ltd Zope's mailing list archive.
	
	* The shell wildcards expansion mechanism is now thread safe,
	  thanks to Toby Dickenson.

I'm still waiting for feedback from people who use ZShell with virtual
hosting, either successfully or not.

Since we are at making SourceForge projects, is there somebody seriously
interested in having a CVS access to ZShell's sources ? 

What other important commands do people need in ZShell ? (except for
permissions listing and setting, which I already know) 
 
Hoping you'll find it useful.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr



From cnj@finsiel.ro  Wed May 23 14:11:16 2001
From: cnj@finsiel.ro (Andrei Cenja)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:11:16 +0300
Subject: [Zope] updating ZCatalog
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010523155418.00a89900@192.168.1.254>

Hello !

I'm trying to use a catalog in order to enable search queries based on 
metadata of the objects (ExtFiles) in a directory. As users will add new 
objects, the catalog must be updated, which (the catalog updating) I 
figured must be done "by hand", that is, by telling the catalog to update 
itself in the same script which also does the uploading of the ExtFiles.

By looking in the ZopeBook I was able to catalog_object() each new ExtFile 
as it is uploaded, but that doesn't also update the indexes and the 
vocabulary. How can THAT be achieved ? I haven't noticed any such function 
in the API reference manual.

I tried to look in the source of the "advanced" page of the catalog manager 
and see what the "update catalog" button does, but it's a bit too tough for 
me :-)

Thanks !

andrei



From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May 23 14:14:15 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:14:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope] overriding index_html
In-Reply-To: <990611228.1832.28.camel@basajaun>
References: <990611228.1832.28.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <23209485.990630855@BUZZER>

Hi Arkaitz,

whats wrong if you just call it not "view" but index_html?
At least its the way I do it.
IF you really want "view" to be an alias to index_html, you can
use an index_html only consisting of a line <dtml-return view>
in your base class.

Regards
Tino

--On Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2001 11:47 +0200 Arkaitz <arkbit@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm writing some classes in a Python product, and I'd like to be able to
> override their index_html view so that it can be specified by the folder
> in which the instances reside.
> The idea is that if I have myfolder/view, being "view" a DTMLmethod, and
> I call myfolder/myobject, it will be equivalent to calling
> /myfolder/myobject/view, is this possible?
>
> TIA,
> Arkaitz.
>
>
>
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From bkc@murkworks.com  Wed May 23 14:29:43 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:29:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Getting the day from a Timestamp / gvibda (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <33650000.990609502@lpc5>
References: <3B0A4273.24602.38916AF5@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B0B7F5B.4496.3D675405@localhost>

On 23 May 2001, at 11:18, Oliver Sturm wrote:

> 
> I have it now. I tried the very same thing with an external method and
> suddenly it works. Seems like there's no access to the tuple() method as
> long as Zope's in the way... I'd still be interested if there's a way to
> get around this limitation. Thanks again, Brad!

Yes, two ways to fix this. Modify the gvib DA to participate in product roles, or hack with    

 __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__=1


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From gs@styrax.com  Wed May 23 16:17:25 2001
From: gs@styrax.com (Garry Steedman)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:17:25 +0000
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
In-Reply-To: <3B0BB345.85F87F95@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B0BD485.5549.23F8E497@localhost>

Chris,

thanks for the mail: just thought i'd mention it. due to the famous 
problem with python 1.5.2 appending `L' to integers with MySQL, i 
can't go back to pre 2.0 versions of python...

if it's important to you to have more detail let me know and i'll try 
to oblige...

cheers,

Garry

On 23 May 2001, at 8:55, Chris McDonough wrote:

Date sent:      	Wed, 23 May 2001 08:55:33 -0400
From:           	Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com>
To:             	gs@styrax.com
Copies to:      	zope@zope.org
Subject:        	Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs

> Hi Garry,
> 
> Hmmm, we haven't had any reports that Zope outright crashes due to a
> missing stdout.  Note that the first thing to try is to run Zope 2.3.2
> final under Python 1.5.2 (the stable Zope release under the Python
> platform that is recommended to run under - Zope 2.4 will be/is Python
> 2.X ready). If it still happens under this environment, do you think
> you might be able to submit a report to the Collector
> (http://classic.zope.org:8080/Collector) describing the bug and crash
> in as much detail as you can provide?
> 
> 
> - C
> 
> 
> Garry Steedman wrote:
> > 
> > Chris,
> > 
> > should this result in Zope crashing?
> > 
> > my experience is this:
> > 
> > Zope 2.3.2b source, Python 2.0 source on SuSE 6.4: if i ./start &
> > Zope on the default terminal and log out of that terminal it never
> > stays up for more than a day! if i ./start & from another terminal
> > and stay logged in (which i have the luxury of being able to do for
> > the moment), Zope keeps chugging away...
> > 
> > granted, ./start & is not the nicest way to do things, but if it can
> > result in the process crashing, this should probably be flagged?
> > 
> > cheers,
> > 
> > Garry
> > 
> > On 14 May 2001, at 14:45, Chris McDonough wrote:
> > 
> > From:                   "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com> To: 
> >                    "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>,
> > <zope@zope.org> Subject:                Re: [Zope] Error when
> > packing Data.fs Date sent:              Mon, 14 May 2001 14:45:39
> > -0400
> > 
> > > Oh wait.  Damn.  I had this conversation last week.  ;-)
> > >
> > > You're starting Zope through something like this:
> > >
> > > ./start &
> > >
> > > You then close the terminal window, and Zope's controlling
> > > terminal disappears.... Zope is trying to send output to stdout,
> > > but stdout is gone. You get the IOError.
> > >
> > > Instead of starting Zope this way, start Zope from a terminal that
> > > doesn't get closed.
> > >
> > > - C
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
> > > To: <zope@zope.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:21 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks Chris...
> > > >
> > > > I got 4 Gb left on the partition. Not enough for that log ?
> > > > There is no STUPID_LOG_FILE environment var set on the server !
> > > > Thus (as far as my poor brain can understand) nothing should be
> > > > logged ! So shouldn't this log to stderr or /dev/null (?) And
> > > > there was no such problem with Zope 2.3.0.
> > > >
> > > > I got the same problem on my 2 Zope prodction servers on Linux.
> > > > On the development server (Win2k/Zope 2.3.2), there's no such
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > And last... The data don't pack. (A cause or a consequence ?)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > -- Gilles
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Chris McDonough
> > > > To: Gilles Lenfant ; zope@zope.org
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:46 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Check to make sure you have space available on the partition
> > > > which holds
> > > the
> > > > STUPID_LOG_FILE.  Make sure the user who the process is running
> > > > under has write access to the file.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
> > > > To: <zope@zope.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:44 PM
> > > > Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> >   Styrax Associates  http://www.styrax.com/
> > 
> >   "The Good Man has no shape..."
> > +-------------------------------------------+


+-------------------------------------------+
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  Styrax Associates  http://www.styrax.com/ 

  "The Good Man has no shape..."            
+-------------------------------------------+


From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May 23 14:19:06 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:19:06 -0400
Subject: [Zope] updating ZCatalog
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010523155418.00a89900@192.168.1.254>
Message-ID: <3B0BB8CA.96DD794F@digicool.com>

Andrei Cenja wrote:
> By looking in the ZopeBook I was able to catalog_object() each new ExtFile
> as it is uploaded, but that doesn't also update the indexes and the
> vocabulary. 

Hi... What leads you to believe that catalog_object(object) doesn't
update indexes or the vocabulary?  It does...


From chrism@digicool.com  Wed May 23 14:22:59 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:22:59 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
References: <3B0BD485.5549.23F8E497@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B0BB9B3.1C8026A5@digicool.com>

OK, thanks Garry...  I'm going to treat this as an isolated error, where
the solution is to not close the terminal window after you do "./start
&" or alternately to use "nohup ./start &".

Garry Steedman wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> thanks for the mail: just thought i'd mention it. due to the famous
> problem with python 1.5.2 appending `L' to integers with MySQL, i
> can't go back to pre 2.0 versions of python...
> 
> if it's important to you to have more detail let me know and i'll try
> to oblige...
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Garry
> 
> On 23 May 2001, at 8:55, Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> Date sent:              Wed, 23 May 2001 08:55:33 -0400
> From:                   Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com>
> To:                     gs@styrax.com
> Copies to:              zope@zope.org
> Subject:                Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> 
> > Hi Garry,
> >
> > Hmmm, we haven't had any reports that Zope outright crashes due to a
> > missing stdout.  Note that the first thing to try is to run Zope 2.3.2
> > final under Python 1.5.2 (the stable Zope release under the Python
> > platform that is recommended to run under - Zope 2.4 will be/is Python
> > 2.X ready). If it still happens under this environment, do you think
> > you might be able to submit a report to the Collector
> > (http://classic.zope.org:8080/Collector) describing the bug and crash
> > in as much detail as you can provide?
> >
> >
> > - C
> >
> >
> > Garry Steedman wrote:
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > should this result in Zope crashing?
> > >
> > > my experience is this:
> > >
> > > Zope 2.3.2b source, Python 2.0 source on SuSE 6.4: if i ./start &
> > > Zope on the default terminal and log out of that terminal it never
> > > stays up for more than a day! if i ./start & from another terminal
> > > and stay logged in (which i have the luxury of being able to do for
> > > the moment), Zope keeps chugging away...
> > >
> > > granted, ./start & is not the nicest way to do things, but if it can
> > > result in the process crashing, this should probably be flagged?
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > Garry
> > >
> > > On 14 May 2001, at 14:45, Chris McDonough wrote:
> > >
> > > From:                   "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com> To:
> > >                    "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>,
> > > <zope@zope.org> Subject:                Re: [Zope] Error when
> > > packing Data.fs Date sent:              Mon, 14 May 2001 14:45:39
> > > -0400
> > >
> > > > Oh wait.  Damn.  I had this conversation last week.  ;-)
> > > >
> > > > You're starting Zope through something like this:
> > > >
> > > > ./start &
> > > >
> > > > You then close the terminal window, and Zope's controlling
> > > > terminal disappears.... Zope is trying to send output to stdout,
> > > > but stdout is gone. You get the IOError.
> > > >
> > > > Instead of starting Zope this way, start Zope from a terminal that
> > > > doesn't get closed.
> > > >
> > > > - C
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
> > > > To: <zope@zope.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks Chris...
> > > > >
> > > > > I got 4 Gb left on the partition. Not enough for that log ?
> > > > > There is no STUPID_LOG_FILE environment var set on the server !
> > > > > Thus (as far as my poor brain can understand) nothing should be
> > > > > logged ! So shouldn't this log to stderr or /dev/null (?) And
> > > > > there was no such problem with Zope 2.3.0.
> > > > >
> > > > > I got the same problem on my 2 Zope prodction servers on Linux.
> > > > > On the development server (Win2k/Zope 2.3.2), there's no such
> > > > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > And last... The data don't pack. (A cause or a consequence ?)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Gilles
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Chris McDonough
> > > > > To: Gilles Lenfant ; zope@zope.org
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:46 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Check to make sure you have space available on the partition
> > > > > which holds
> > > > the
> > > > > STUPID_LOG_FILE.  Make sure the user who the process is running
> > > > > under has write access to the file.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
> > > > > To: <zope@zope.org>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:44 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > > +-------------------------------------------+
> > >   Garry Steedman      mailto:gs@styrax.com
> > >   Styrax Associates  http://www.styrax.com/
> > >
> > >   "The Good Man has no shape..."
> > > +-------------------------------------------+
> 
> +-------------------------------------------+
>   Garry Steedman      mailto:gs@styrax.com
>   Styrax Associates  http://www.styrax.com/
> 
>   "The Good Man has no shape..."
> +-------------------------------------------+


From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May 23 14:40:34 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:40:34 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre2
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010523144918.30070A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <016601c0e38d$f405ab40$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Some little bug reports.

Got some errors yesterday on my homecomputer hence no tracebacks

If you ls a folder where there's broken products the
bobobase_modification_time() of the object raises an error.
I fixed it by something like this:
try:
  bbb_mod_time = str(obj.bobobase_modification_time())
except:
  bbb_mod_time = 'no date on broken ones'


The view command doesn't take into consideration to use the pwd you're
having.
This works:
cd /
view object_html

This does NOT work:
cd /deep/folder
view someobject_html

Both commands try to display pages like this:
http://localhost:8080/object_html
http://localhost:8080/someobject_html


Design issue:

The date as it is printed is to me a bit too long and takes up too much
space. I suggest a formatting string like this:
'%Y/%d/%m %H:%M:%S'
(would that suit the jankees?)


I tried the pre1 quickly at home and changed to code to fix the broken
object problem. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I saw the words: self.PATH_INFO
there.
Never use that. Use absolute_url() or the URLx and BASEx environment
variables. They take SiteAccess roots into consideration.


Cheers,
Peter


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerome Alet" <alet@unice.fr>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre2


> Hi,
>
> I'm pleased to announce the availability of ZShell 1.0pre2.
>
> ZShell is an external Zope method which allows you to
> manipulate the ZODB using standard unix shell's commands
> from within Zope's Management Interface in your web
> browser.
>
> ZShell is licensed under the GNU General Public Licence, with
> some clarifications of my own concerning it's use with Zope.
>
> You can download it from:
>
>         http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/
>
> Every time I want to go into "feature freeze" mode, then I add new
> funny commands !
>
> New features are:
> =================
>
> * The su command:
> - allow people to execute ZShell commands as
>                   another user. If the user isn't a Manager
>                   then the correct user's password is needed.
> - Doesn't allow multiple commands, and su state
>   is not preserved from one launch to the other:
>   You have to do multiple su for that.
>
> * The export command:
> - can export many objects at a time.
> - can't export to local machine because of a
>   bug in Zope 2.3.2 and my lazyness to get around it.
>
> * The nipltd command (not a joke):
> - search phrases in NIP Ltd Zope's mailing list archive.
>
> * The shell wildcards expansion mechanism is now thread safe,
>   thanks to Toby Dickenson.
>
> I'm still waiting for feedback from people who use ZShell with virtual
> hosting, either successfully or not.
>
> Since we are at making SourceForge projects, is there somebody seriously
> interested in having a CVS access to ZShell's sources ?
>
> What other important commands do people need in ZShell ? (except for
> permissions listing and setting, which I already know)
>
> Hoping you'll find it useful.
>
> Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From nuno@fccn.pt  Wed May 23 14:41:43 2001
From: nuno@fccn.pt (nuno)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:41:43 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zserver stability problems
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010522140924.00b4b418@mail.fredericksburg.com>
Message-ID: <062d01c0e38e$1a438e30$940788c1@rccn.net>

Hi again !

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherwood Robinson" <srobinson@fredericksburg.com>
To: "nuno" <nuno@fccn.pt>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Zserver stability problems


> Try restarting Apache... does it come back that way?

I have tried restarting apache when this problem had occured, but
everything was still the same ! When i restarted zope all became fine !
I have read that this kind of problems can be related to the number of
threads,
I have checked that, i have the sugested 4 threads running !

I discovered in this mailling list that in some cases, zope hangs due to
the lack of requests !!! Isn't it strange ?


> Can you tell how much of your system resources are being use by Zope?
There are 6 python processes spending 26 M each. I have plenty of RAM : )
All resources are fine !


> Does it seem like the site gets slower the longer it is running?
Nope ! Actually it's speed is good !

> Are you running Debug.log on your Zope?
I am now, i'll keep an eye on that log !

>
> Are there any changes that you made to your Zope before this happened?
I altered the dtml-tree source code because i wanted to pass some arguments
in a recursive way.
I think it has nothing to do with hanging zope.

What do you thing of using fastcgi ? Could it hang zope ?
What is so strange is that zope is allright, and sudenly it gives me a blank
page with the zope listenner UP !

Thank you in advance,

Best regards,

Nuno




>
> SR
>
>
> At 06:57 PM 5/22/2001 +0100, you wrote:
> >st@zope.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> >List-Archive: <http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope/>
> >Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:57:52 +0100
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >I'm running zope 2.3.0 (Red -Hat Linux) behind apache with mod_proxy
> >(ProxyPass)  and fastcgi .
> >All requests are satisfied successfully  by Zserver , however it seems
that
> >sometimes the zope listener
> >has to be restarted , which is not good !
> >
> >What I have observed in particular, was that both apache an zope are up
and
> >working fine!
> >But suddenly, all the requests made through browser to the zope web site,
> >become in a blank page, the browser takes a long time to load and it
shows
>
> >up the not found web page.
> >
> >What seems to me so strange is, when this happen, both listeners are up
(netstat -l ).
> >Then I do a restart to the zope listener and all becomes fine again !
> >
> >During last week this happened four times !
> >
> >I have read the zope.org mailing list and saw that other persons have
> >problems with Zope Server, but I haven't found any suitable solutions
> >to this problem of Zserver stability.
> >
> >Do you guys have any hints about the reasons of this behaviour?
> >What should it cause this unexpected problem ?
> >
> >Thank you all
> >
> >Best regards
> >Nuno
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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From philipp.robbel@epost.de  Wed May 23 14:41:29 2001
From: philipp.robbel@epost.de (philipp.robbel@epost.de)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:41:29 +0100
Subject: [Zope] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Filling=20a=20drop=2Ddown=20menu=20with=20SQL=20data=20=28Problem=20with=20ar?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?gument=20passing=29?=
Message-ID: <3B054A8500002B06@mail.epost.de>

Hello everybody,

I have been trying and trying the whole day but I still have not found an=
y
solution to my (simple?) problem:
=3D> I want to fill my HTML DropDown menu with data from a SQL table.

My SQL Method (sqlShowTypes) takes one argument which I have defined in
the Z SQL Method Properties as "TypeName". The function is as follows:

SELECT Typ FROM <dtml-if expr=3D"TypeName=3D=3D'Researcher'>
                tblStaffResearchers
                <dtml-else>tblStaffManagement
                </dtml-if>

When testing this method seperatly from the calling dtml document it work=
s
fine. After specifing a TypeName Parameter it returns all the rows from
the Typ-column.


Now, in my DTML Document I have a Variable "Typ" (either containing 'Rese=
archer'
or 'Management'). This one I want to pass to sqlShowTypes as the TypeName=

parameter.

My first try was:
<dtml-in expr=3D"sqlShowTypes('<dtml-var Typ>')">  : not working (Bad Req=
uest,
Error Value: ['Typname'])

2nd try:
<dtml-in expr=3D"sqlShowTypes(TypName=3D'<dtml-var Typ>')">   : somehow w=
orking
but my drop-down menu is filled with 5 empty spaces!

3rd try:
<dtml-in expr=3D"sqlShowTypes(TypName=3DTyp)"   : again, somehow working =
but
again EMPTY SPACES! 


I would need a proper statement that would embedd just fine in my drop-do=
wn
code:
<dtml-in expr=3D"....">
   <option> <dtml-var sequence-item>
</dtml-in></select>&nbsp;</td>


If you are that Zope Guru I'm so badly in need of, please help me with th=
at
problem!

PS.: "sequence-item" is the proper one to use in the code above, right?


Thanks a lot,
Philipp Robbel



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From afterz@zipmail.com  Wed May 23 14:45:03 2001
From: afterz@zipmail.com (After Dark)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:45:03 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 version
In-Reply-To: <01b301c0dee8$5ee72740$8e17a8c0@kurtz>
Message-ID: <web-4612784@zipmail.com>

Hi, I am having problems with ZClass.

I`m creating a ZClass with base class OFS:File, but when I
add an object of my new type it doesn`t work like it should.

I can add a new object like an usual file, but when I want
to view it, just show the path of the file, not data of the
file.

Is it a bug? Or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks.
________________________________________________
Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/



From erik@thingamy.net  Wed May 23 14:54:14 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:54:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre2
In-Reply-To: <016601c0e38d$f405ab40$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105231552420.31925-100000@bcryachts.atsat.com>

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Peter Bengtsson wrote:

> The date as it is printed is to me a bit too long and takes up too
> much space. I suggest a formatting string like this: '%Y/%d/%m
> %H:%M:%S' (would that suit the jankees?)

Well, I don't know about the jankees, but the vikings would rather that
ISO format would be used as default; %Y-%m-%d.



From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 23 14:58:47 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:58:47 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre2
In-Reply-To: <016601c0e38d$f405ab40$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010523154302.30843C-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Peter Bengtsson wrote:

> If you ls a folder where there's broken products the
> bobobase_modification_time() of the object raises an error.
> I fixed it by something like this:
> try:
>   bbb_mod_time = str(obj.bobobase_modification_time())
> except:
>   bbb_mod_time = 'no date on broken ones'

Ok, I'll do that.

> The view command doesn't take into consideration to use the pwd you're
> having.
> This works:
> cd /
> view object_html
> 
> This does NOT work:
> cd /deep/folder
> view someobject_html

Thanks !
It's fixed in CVS right now.

> Design issue:
> 
> The date as it is printed is to me a bit too long and takes up too much
> space. I suggest a formatting string like this:
> '%Y/%d/%m %H:%M:%S'

I think the microseconds part is not important but the timezone is, so we
should keep it.

> Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I saw the words: self.PATH_INFO
> there.

You're wrong, all objects path are extracted using
absolute_url(), but skipping the http://server:port part. However that
wasn't the case for view, manage, and properties, which is now corrected,
thanks to you.

In pre 1.0pre1 code absolute_url(relative=1) was used, but seemed to cause
problem with virtual hosting. 

bye, and thanks again.

Jerome Alet



From renfro@tntech.edu  Wed May 23 15:02:36 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:02:36 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
In-Reply-To: <3B0BB9B3.1C8026A5@digicool.com>; from chrism@digicool.com on Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:22:59AM -0400
References: <3B0BD485.5549.23F8E497@localhost> <3B0BB9B3.1C8026A5@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010523090236.A24289@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:22:59AM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote:

> OK, thanks Garry...  I'm going to treat this as an isolated error,
> where the solution is to not close the terminal window after you do
> "./start &" or alternately to use "nohup ./start &".

The error might not be isolated, but it might not be Zope's fault,
either. Some third-party product might be shooting debug output to
stdout -- grep through all the .py files in your Products directory
for instances of 'print'.

In my case, I use:

  find Products -type f -name '*.py' -exec grep -l print {} \;

to find potentially offending files, and then grep each one for print
statements.

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From philipp.robbel@epost.de  Wed May 23 15:10:53 2001
From: philipp.robbel@epost.de (philipp.robbel@epost.de)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:10:53 +0100
Subject: [Zope] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=5BZope=5D=20Filling=20a=20drop=2Ddown=20menu=20with=20SQL=20data=20=28Prob?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?lem=20with=20argument=20passing=29?=
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLJJCAKLFAEHMIDHDKECACNAA.j.d.moss@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3B054A8500002B5E@mail.epost.de>

Hello,

thanks for your tip with znolk but I'm afraid this does not help since my=

problem is related to the argument passing (see original post). If I had
a Z SQL method that would always return the same column (SELECT Typ FROM
tblStaffManagement) I wouldn't have any problem. My problem is the argume=
nt
passing to the Z SQL method so that it - if the argument is 'Researcher'
for example - get the Typ-Column from the tblStaffResearcher etc.


Thanks again,
Philipp



"John Moss" <j.d.moss@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>you should maybe look at the znolk product this helps with this 
>type of drop down menu from sql table especially in a form
>
>address is http://www.zope.org/Members/zwork/Znolk_SQL_Wizard
>
>we use this alot and saves alot of time ...
>
>hope this helps
>
>John
>
>John Moss,  C&IT Advisor, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/
>The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6145



________________________________________
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p://www.epost.de




From drusch@globalcrossing.com  Wed May 23 15:21:56 2001
From: drusch@globalcrossing.com (Daniel G. Rusch)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:21:56 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Iterating over REQUEST.form
References: <005d01c0e35f$1e3d3560$1ec6f080@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3B0BC784.7F601465@globalcrossing.com>

Check out:

/zopeDemos/demoFolder/formData/

in your zope installation.


Dan

David Legg wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm sure somebody more clever than me can work this out. I'm getting results
> back from a form (checkboxes), so I never know how many items I am going to
> get back. What I want to be able to do is iterate over the contents of
> REQUEST.form to be able to process each item, no matter how many results I
> get from a form. Is there a way of doing this (I'm definitely sure there is
> but I'm not seeing it), or perhaps there is a better way.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> David
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May 23 15:21:43 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:21:43 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre2
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105231552420.31925-100000@bcryachts.atsat.com>
Message-ID: <008001c0e394$0b87ad80$1c64a8c0@PBN>

> > The date as it is printed is to me a bit too long and takes up too
> > much space. I suggest a formatting string like this: '%Y/%d/%m
> > %H:%M:%S' (would that suit the jankees?)
>
> Well, I don't know about the jankees, but the vikings would rather that
> ISO format would be used as default; %Y-%m-%d.

Or like the DC people put it in their lovely content management product

2001-01-20 10:39 PM

(yes, I know that Jerome, Erik and myself are europeans, but this would
follow the style of the inventors and might make human comparisons easier)

Peter




From brian@digicool.com  Wed May 23 15:34:26 2001
From: brian@digicool.com (Brian Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:34:26 -0400
Subject: [Zope] isinstance issubclass and zope 2.4
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105230230400.600-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIIEIOCBAA.brian@digicool.com>

> Will isinstance and issubclass be fixed with the move to python 2.1 in
> zope 2.4? This is a fairly important feature for the continued development
> of some of my products. I can kludge things for now but I am very curious
> about a complete solution.

According to the Python docs, these should work as expected
in Zope 2.4.


Brian Lloyd        brian@digicool.com
Software Engineer  540.371.6909
Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com




From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 23 15:31:16 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:31:16 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre2
In-Reply-To: <008001c0e394$0b87ad80$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010523162803.31416A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Peter Bengtsson wrote:

> Or like the DC people put it in their lovely content management product
> 
> 2001-01-20 10:39 PM
> 
> (yes, I know that Jerome, Erik and myself are europeans, but this would
> follow the style of the inventors and might make human comparisons easier)
                            ^
                            |
=============================

Where the hell did you see that the Americans invented the clock :-}

I've made the modification, the new format will be: 
	
	'YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS TZ'

bye,

Jerome Alet



From gilles.lavaux@esrin.esa.it  Wed May 23 15:38:48 2001
From: gilles.lavaux@esrin.esa.it (Gilles Lavaux)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:38:48 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zserver stability problems
Message-ID: <00bf01c0e396$17456fc0$fce3ccc1@asgard.esrin.esa.it>

Hello,

>From time to time I an full of hope, and I start debugging the Zsever, to
try to get rid of hangs :-)
My question of today is:

- when are http_channel zombies closed?
the code look like (http_server.py):

     maintenance_interval = 500
     def check_maintenance (self):
          if not self.channel_number % self.maintenance_interval:
               self.maintenance()
     =>so every 500 channels creation??

- what trigger the creation of a new channel?....
- same question for the thread.

If someone is interrested to modify/debug the Zserver code, please join me.

Gilles




From tpassin@mitretek.org  Wed May 23 15:45:20 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:45:20 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Filling a drop-down menu with SQL data (Problem with argument passing)
References: <3B054A8500002B06@mail.epost.de>
Message-ID: <008b01c0e396$fdc883b0$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

You can't nest dtml elements within other ones.  So you can't write

<dtml-in expr="sqlShowTypes('<dtml-var Typ>')">

(as you have found out).  But you don't have to - you can simply refer to
the variable by its name within a dtml-xxx element.  So you could write

<dtml-in "sqlShowTypes(Typ)">

(you don't need the "expr=" part).  If your sqlShowTypes method is expecting
to receive a parameter with the name TypName, then your third try looks like
it ought to work.  However, we don't quite know where Typ is located.  If
you set it as a variable to the page's REQUEST, a ZSQL method should find it
without you having to pass it as a parameter:

<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('TypName',Typ')>

I also suggest that you check to see whether your Typ variable actually
contains data.  You can do this by writing a statement like

<dtml-var Typ>

at the place where you are trying to send it to sqlShowTypes.

Cheers,

Tom P

[<philipp.robbel@epost.de>]

I have been trying and trying the whole day but I still have not found any
solution to my (simple?) problem:
=> I want to fill my HTML DropDown menu with data from a SQL table.


My first try was:
<dtml-in expr="sqlShowTypes('<dtml-var Typ>')">  : not working (Bad Request,
Error Value: ['Typname'])

2nd try:
<dtml-in expr="sqlShowTypes(TypName='<dtml-var Typ>')">   : somehow working
but my drop-down menu is filled with 5 empty spaces!

3rd try:
<dtml-in expr="sqlShowTypes(TypName=Typ)"   : again, somehow working but
again EMPTY SPACES!


I would need a proper statement that would embedd just fine in my drop-down
code:
<dtml-in expr="....">
   <option> <dtml-var sequence-item>
</dtml-in></select>&nbsp;</td>






From dan@control.com  Wed May 23 15:54:58 2001
From: dan@control.com (Dan L. Pierson)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:54:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <3B0B8CB4.30C7D5D3@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <379190000.990629698@daystar.control.com>


--On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:11:00 AM +0100 Chris Withers 
<chrisw@nipltd.com> wrote:

> Jeff Sasmor wrote:
>>
>> I think a combo of wxDesigner and Wing would
>> be nice (and it's what I am planning to use
>> myself till something better comes along.)

Unfortunately Wing doesn't work with ZEO because it has to force single 
threading (or because
of how it forces it).  I filed a bug report on this back in March -- they 
basically said
that they wanted to fix it but it was hard and they were hoping for help 
from DC.




From gs@styrax.com  Wed May 23 17:59:06 2001
From: gs@styrax.com (Garry Steedman)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:59:06 +0000
Subject: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
In-Reply-To: <20010523090236.A24289@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>
References: <3B0BB9B3.1C8026A5@digicool.com>; from chrism@digicool.com on Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:22:59AM -0400
Message-ID: <3B0BEC5A.20379.2455FC47@localhost>

Mike,

had a quick look, not *using* any 3-rd party products which are 
trying to print to stdout (though some *may* be installed)...

cheers,

Garry

On 23 May 2001, at 9:02, Mike Renfro wrote:

From:           	Mike Renfro <renfro@tntech.edu>
To:             	Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com>
Copies to:      	gs@styrax.com, zope@zope.org
Subject:        	Re: [Zope] Error when packing Data.fs
Date sent:      	Wed, 23 May 2001 09:02:36 -0500

> On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:22:59AM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> > OK, thanks Garry...  I'm going to treat this as an isolated error,
> > where the solution is to not close the terminal window after you do
> > "./start &" or alternately to use "nohup ./start &".
> 
> The error might not be isolated, but it might not be Zope's fault,
> either. Some third-party product might be shooting debug output to
> stdout -- grep through all the .py files in your Products directory
> for instances of 'print'.
> 
> In my case, I use:
> 
>   find Products -type f -name '*.py' -exec grep -l print {} \;
> 
> to find potentially offending files, and then grep each one for print
> statements.
> 
> -- 
> Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
> 931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


+-------------------------------------------+
  Garry Steedman      mailto:gs@styrax.com  
  Styrax Associates  http://www.styrax.com/ 

  "The Good Man has no shape..."            
+-------------------------------------------+


From jeff@janix.com  Wed May 23 16:23:47 2001
From: jeff@janix.com (Jeff Sasmor)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:23:47 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <379190000.990629698@daystar.control.com>
Message-ID: <001201c0e39c$7a666c70$1a931340@NETKOOK>

I'm not sure this matters when building a GUI, though.....
Jeff

>
>
> --On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:11:00 AM +0100 Chris Withers
> <chrisw@nipltd.com> wrote:
>
> > Jeff Sasmor wrote:
> >>
> >> I think a combo of wxDesigner and Wing would
> >> be nice (and it's what I am planning to use
> >> myself till something better comes along.)
>
> Unfortunately Wing doesn't work with ZEO because it has to force single
> threading (or because
> of how it forces it).  I filed a bug report on this back in March -- they
> basically said
> that they wanted to fix it but it was hard and they were hoping for help
> from DC.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May 23 16:00:43 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:00:43 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre2
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010523162803.31416A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <00a201c0e39c$764ee860$1c64a8c0@PBN>

"the inventors" as in "the boys and girls who coded Zope"
or as the Fredricksburg people put it: "us"

I meant that they invented Zope and when they did so they determined a style
of displaying dates that standardised French, Scandinavien and other
europeans had to accept.

> > (yes, I know that Jerome, Erik and myself are europeans, but this would
> > follow the style of the inventors and might make human comparisons
easier)
>                             ^
>                             |
> =============================
>
> Where the hell did you see that the Americans invented the clock :-}
>
> I've made the modification, the new format will be:
>
> 'YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS TZ'
>
> bye,
>
> Jerome Alet
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From cnd@ecn.purdue.edu  Wed May 23 16:37:19 2001
From: cnd@ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher N. Deckard)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:37:19 -0500
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
References: <46000000.990570208@orlog>
Message-ID: <3B0BD92F.5FDA6DD2@ecn.purdue.edu>

Why has no one mentioned Mozilla?  Standards compliant, free,
supports everything that everyone has mentioned (CSS1, PNG, HTML4.) 
Mozilla is light years beyond any other web browser (with the
exception of anything that uses Gecko.)   There is also a wrapper
for Netscape 4 plugins so things like Flash, etc. work.  

FWIW, I've had no problems seeing the Zope logo under Netscape
4/Solaris or Linux.  And the fact that colors in Windows don't mean
anything because what is #6699cc in IE is not the same #6699cc in
Netscape or Mozilla or any other program.  Well, maybe.  But as
someone else said, there are many more reasons not to use Windows
then just color.

-Chris

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
    Christopher N. Deckard      |     Lead Web Systems Developer
      cnd@ecn.purdue.edu        |    Engineering Computer Network
  http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/    |         Purdue University 
---- zlib.decompress('x\234K\316Kq((-J)M\325KM)\005\000)"\005w') ---


From marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de  Wed May 23 16:38:09 2001
From: marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de (Marcus Schopen)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:38:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] send object via dtml as Mail attachment
Message-ID: <990632289.3b0bd9616dd17@marcus.localguru.de>

Hi there,

trying to figure out how to send a DTMLDocument
as Mail HTML-Attachment.
Problem: Content of index.html object is placed in the body of the mail
not atteched.

<dtml-sendmail mailhost="MailHost">
To: me <marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de>
From: me <marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de>
Subject: Test

Moin

  <dtml-mime type=text/html encode="7bit" name=index.html>
  <dtml-var index.html>
  </dtml-mime>

</dtml-sendmail>

mail sent.

_______________________________________

     (0>   Marcus Schopen
     //\   Bielefeld, Germany
     V_/_
_______________________________________

     Live as variously as possible


From drees@the-bridge.net  Wed May 23 16:41:59 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:41:59 -0500
Subject: [Zope] xml-rpc marshal problems
Message-ID: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLEEGBCJAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

Playing with xml-rpc a little and I'm confused.


view_sql is a zsql in the root of htpp://steve.wejustrock.com




[drees@gfa drees]$ python
Python 1.5.2 (#1, Dec 21 2000, 15:29:08)  [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux
(egcs- on linux-i386
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
>>> import xmlrpclib
>>> s= xmlrpclib.Server('http://steve.wejustrock.com')
>>> for i in s.view_sql():
...   print i.entry_title
...
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 608, in
__call__
    return self.__send(self.__name, args)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 658, in
__request
    self.__password
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 575, in request
    return self.parse_response(fd)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 590, in
parse_response
    return u.close()
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 346, in close
    raise apply(Fault, (), self._stack[0])
xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: cannot marshal
<extension class ExtensionClass at 401529cc> objects'>
>>>

Desperately seeking zen,
Steve




From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 23 16:41:50 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:41:50 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
In-Reply-To: <3B0BD92F.5FDA6DD2@ecn.purdue.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231941190.12797-100000@phd.fep.ru>

Completely agree! Cannot be better said!

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Christopher N. Deckard wrote:
> Why has no one mentioned Mozilla?  Standards compliant, free,
> supports everything that everyone has mentioned (CSS1, PNG, HTML4.)
> Mozilla is light years beyond any other web browser (with the
> exception of anything that uses Gecko.)   There is also a wrapper
> for Netscape 4 plugins so things like Flash, etc. work.
>
> FWIW, I've had no problems seeing the Zope logo under Netscape
> 4/Solaris or Linux.  And the fact that colors in Windows don't mean
> anything because what is #6699cc in IE is not the same #6699cc in
> Netscape or Mozilla or any other program.  Well, maybe.  But as
> someone else said, there are many more reasons not to use Windows
> then just color.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From igor@emun.com  Wed May 23 16:46:11 2001
From: igor@emun.com (Igor Leturia)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:46:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Uploading a whole folder from the local hard disk
Message-ID: <003f01c0e39f$7de2e1a0$1600000a@emun22>

  Hi!

  I'd like to know if there's an easy way to import a whole folder (with its
subfolders) from the local hard disk into Zope, without having to import
every file one by one.

  Thanks in advance,

                                                        Igor Leturia



From jason_zope@yahoo.com  Wed May 23 16:57:54 2001
From: jason_zope@yahoo.com (Jason Byron)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:57:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest
Message-ID: <20010523155754.14908.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com>

I think we should have a zope logo/webpage design contest.

Any graphic artists out there?


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From cnd@ecn.purdue.edu  Wed May 23 17:10:52 2001
From: cnd@ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher N. Deckard)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
References: <3B0BD92F.5FDA6DD2@ecn.purdue.edu> <46000000.990570208@orlog> <E152atE-0007PC-00@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3B0BE10C.93F0DE5@ecn.purdue.edu>

> > But as someone else said, there are many more reasons not to use
> > Windows then just color.
> 
> But as long as 80% fo web users are Windows people, we have to
> design for 'em.

Not really.  What we need to be doing is helping to push people out
of the dark and into using the technology that works.  If web
programmers/designers (mainly the designers fault/problem) keep
making things accessible to those with inferior browsers, then ten
years from now we'll have people who are still using Netscape 4 and
who can't view anything on the web in the way that is meant to be.  

Back when I used to see the "best viewed with Netscape 4 or IE 4"
disclaimer at the bottom of pages I used to cringe.  Now I'm
beginning to feel like "if you can't see it, get a new browser.  One
that works."  Most things are still viewable to people who use
Netscape 3 even.  There are people here who still use it.  But those
people don't care about the "web experience" that all of the web
designers using Flash and Java care about.  They want the content
and the content will be there as long as we stick to the standards. 
If someone wants the web experience, give it to them, give it to
them good, but stop working around them.  Give them twice as much
but make them use the right tools.

Maybe everyone should just use lynx or w3m.  (Which the Zope
management screens looks great in anyway.)

My $1.57.

-Chris


From gregor@hoffleit.de  Wed May 23 17:10:33 2001
From: gregor@hoffleit.de (Gregor Hoffleit)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:10:33 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest
In-Reply-To: <20010523155754.14908.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com>; from jason_zope@yahoo.com on Wed, May 23, 2001 at 08:57:54AM -0700
References: <20010523155754.14908.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010523181032.B22682@mediasupervision.de>

On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 08:57:54AM -0700, Jason Byron wrote:
> I think we should have a zope logo/webpage design contest.
> 
> Any graphic artists out there?

Regaring the webpage: How about usability experts, as well ? (A graphics
artist doesn't warrant for a decent webpage)

    Gregor
    


From liao@acusd.edu  Wed May 23 16:15:05 2001
From: liao@acusd.edu (Luby Liao)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:15:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Uploading a whole folder from the local hard disk
In-Reply-To: <003f01c0e39f$7de2e1a0$1600000a@emun22>
References: <003f01c0e39f$7de2e1a0$1600000a@emun22>
Message-ID: <15115.54265.906470.90153@holycow.acusd.edu>

Igor, try 

shell>  ftp host 8021

cheers, Luby 

 >   Hi!
 > 
 >   I'd like to know if there's an easy way to import a whole folder (with its
 > subfolders) from the local hard disk into Zope, without having to import
 > every file one by one.
 > 
 >   Thanks in advance,
 > 
 >                                                         Igor Leturia
 > 
 > 
 > _______________________________________________
 > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
 > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
 > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
 > (Related lists - 
 >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
 >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
 > 


From bkc@murkworks.com  Wed May 23 17:34:55 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:34:55 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Filling a drop-down menu with SQL data (Problem with ar gument passing)
In-Reply-To: <3B054A8500002B06@mail.epost.de>
Message-ID: <3B0BAAC2.22782.3E10DF90@localhost>

On 23 May 2001, at 14:41, philipp.robbel@epost.de wrote:

> SELECT Typ FROM <dtml-if expr="TypeName=='Researcher'>
>                 tblStaffResearchers
>                 <dtml-else>tblStaffManagement
>                 </dtml-if>
> 



> <dtml-in expr="sqlShowTypes(TypName=Typ)"   : again, somehow working but
> again EMPTY SPACES! 


<select name="selectedtypes:string">
<dtml-in "sqlShowTypes(_.None,_,TypName=Typ)">
<option value="&dtml-typ;">&dtml-typ;</option>
</dtml-in>
</select>

Note that the Typ outside the dtml-in is not the same as that inside. I suggest you 
change the outside Typ to be "TypeName" or something.




From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Wed May 23 17:21:33 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:21:33 -0700
Subject: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest
In-Reply-To: <20010523155754.14908.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com>; from jason_zope@yahoo.com on Wed, May 23, 2001 at 08:57:54AM -0700
References: <20010523155754.14908.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010523092133.H539@blanchardsite.com>

On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 08:57:54AM -0700, Jason Byron wrote:
> I think we should have a zope logo/webpage design contest.
> 
> Any graphic artists out there?
> 

Nothing against graphic artists, but what purpose would a site
graphic design overhaul serve? What _is_ it that we go to
zope.org for? Pretty pictures and flashy graphics? I think not.

Zope.org exists primarily to serve the community with tools and
information. A graphic artist is, as I've argued before _not_
going to improve the goal of more/better tools/docs on the site.

Do we want flash or substance? I really think this is an
important question since resources need to remain focused on
supporting and building the community.

cheers,
-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 23 17:33:09 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:33:09 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre2
In-Reply-To: <00a201c0e39c$764ee860$1c64a8c0@PBN>; from mail@peterbe.com on Wed, May 23, 2001 at 05:00:43PM +0200
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010523162803.31416A-100000@cortex.unice.fr> <00a201c0e39c$764ee860$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <20010523183309.A421@nordine.ateur>

On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 05:00:43PM +0200, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> "the inventors" as in "the boys and girls who coded Zope"
> or as the Fredricksburg people put it: "us"
> > =============================
> >
> > Where the hell did you see that the Americans invented the clock :-}

Sorry, this was a joke supposed to be funny...

bye,

Jerome Alet


From jose@sferacarta.com  Wed May 23 17:48:03 2001
From: jose@sferacarta.com (jose)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:48:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zope 2.3 instability
Message-ID: <3B0BE9C3.1000903@sferacarta.com>

Hi all,
I have a problem of stability with my Zope.
seems that every time zope sends the following line to debug.log:
    <timestamp>: PROBLEM(100) ZServer unhandled connect event.
Zope goes in loop, sucks all the available memory and goes down.
Some times zope crash my Linux with the message:
kernel:VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd.
I'm thinking to  return back to the Zope previous release.

Any ideas?
Thank you to all.
José









From arkbit@yahoo.com  Wed May 23 17:59:28 2001
From: arkbit@yahoo.com (Arkaitz)
Date: 23 May 2001 18:59:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Uploading a whole folder from the local hard disk
In-Reply-To: <003f01c0e39f$7de2e1a0$1600000a@emun22>
References: <003f01c0e39f$7de2e1a0$1600000a@emun22>
Message-ID: <990637168.1791.13.camel@basajaun>

Hi,

Use FTP. You can do ftp to your Zope server on port 8021 with any FTP
client and upload your files.
If what you want to upload is a previously exported zope .zexp file, you
can use the Import/Export button that is in every folder.
HTH,

agur bat,
arkaitz.

On 23 May 2001 17:46:11 +0200, Igor Leturia wrote:
>   Hi!
> 
>   I'd like to know if there's an easy way to import a whole folder (with its
> subfolders) from the local hard disk into Zope, without having to import
> every file one by one.
> 
>   Thanks in advance,
> 
>                                                         Igor Leturia
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 23 17:49:46 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:49:46 -0700
Subject: [Zope] xml-rpc marshal problems
References: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLEEGBCJAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <008901c0e3a8$60ee1340$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

What does view_sql() return? xml-rpc only knows how to marshal simple things
like strings, dicts. It looks like its trying to marshal an Extension Class.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Drees" <drees@the-bridge.net>
To: "Zope@Zope. Org" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:41 AM
Subject: [Zope] xml-rpc marshal problems


> Playing with xml-rpc a little and I'm confused.
>
>
> view_sql is a zsql in the root of htpp://steve.wejustrock.com
>
>
>
>
> [drees@gfa drees]$ python
> Python 1.5.2 (#1, Dec 21 2000, 15:29:08)  [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux
> (egcs- on linux-i386
> Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
> >>> import xmlrpclib
> >>> s= xmlrpclib.Server('http://steve.wejustrock.com')
> >>> for i in s.view_sql():
> ...   print i.entry_title
> ...
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 608, in
> __call__
>     return self.__send(self.__name, args)
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 658, in
> __request
>     self.__password
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 575, in
request
>     return self.parse_response(fd)
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 590, in
> parse_response
>     return u.close()
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/xmlrpclib.py", line 346, in close
>     raise apply(Fault, (), self._stack[0])
> xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -1: 'Unexpected Zope exception: cannot marshal
> <extension class ExtensionClass at 401529cc> objects'>
> >>>
>
> Desperately seeking zen,
> Steve
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From andres@corrada.com  Wed May 23 17:48:14 2001
From: andres@corrada.com (andres@corrada.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:48:14 -0400
Subject: [Zope] overriding index_html
In-Reply-To: <990611228.1832.28.camel@basajaun>; from Arkaitz on Wed, May 23, 2001 at 11:47:08AM +0200
References: <990611228.1832.28.camel@basajaun>
Message-ID: <20010523124814.A1709@corrada.com>

You can define your manage_options for the class to have something like this:

manage_options = (
                  .
		  .
		  {'label':'View', 'action':'view'},
		  .
		  .
		  .
		  )

On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 11:47:08AM +0200, Arkaitz wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm writing some classes in a Python product, and I'd like to be able to
> override their index_html view so that it can be specified by the folder
> in which the instances reside. 
> The idea is that if I have myfolder/view, being "view" a DTMLmethod, and
> I call myfolder/myobject, it will be equivalent to calling
> /myfolder/myobject/view, is this possible?
> 
> TIA,
> Arkaitz. 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------
Andres Corrada-Emmanuel   Email: andres@corrada.com
Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
------------------------------------------------------


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 18:16:24 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:16:24 +0100
Subject: [Zope] sequence-batch variables with dtml-in
Message-ID: <3B0BF068.A708B53C@nipltd.com>

Hi,

I'm damaging the precious few braincells on the wal I'm banging my head against
right now, so I thought I'd ask here.

All i want to do is something like:
Results 19 to 25 of 33, searching for "one two three" 

At the top of a dtml-in that's displaying the results of a catalog query.

I got this so far:

      Results <B><dtml-var query_start></B>
      to <B>???</B>
      of <B><dtml-var sequence-length></B>,
      searching for <B>"<dtml-var "REQUEST.searchText">"</B>

I need the bit that replaces the ???. I've trie everything i can think of and
I'm running out of hari to pull out ;-)

Anyone got the answer?

cheers,

Chris


From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Wed May 23 18:18:24 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:18:24 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Iterating over REQUEST.form
In-Reply-To: <3B0BC784.7F601465@globalcrossing.com>; from drusch@globalcrossing.com on Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:21:56AM -0500
References: <005d01c0e35f$1e3d3560$1ec6f080@ncl.ac.uk> <3B0BC784.7F601465@globalcrossing.com>
Message-ID: <20010523101824.J539@blanchardsite.com>

On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:21:56AM -0500, Daniel G. Rusch wrote:
> Check out:
> 
> /zopeDemos/demoFolder/formData/
> 
> in your zope installation.
> 

huh? in my 2.3.x installation there's nothing like that...


-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From tim@freepm.org  Wed May 23 18:20:55 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:20:55 -0500
Subject: [Zope] re: longest running Zope
References: <C8B0B2010780F1439E5DAB4FF7DFFFD91CAAA1@za-exchange.za.mosaicsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <3B0BF177.AABC7070@iswt.com>

> 
> > What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> > running?

I had forgotten about this lightly used extra-net server that I
setup for a customer last year. It was taken down once for a
physical location move.  

       Zope version: Zope 2.2.0 (binary release, python 1.5.2,
linux2-x86) 
       Python version: 1.5.2 (#10, Dec 6 1999, 12:16:27) [GCC
2.7.2.3] 
       System Platform: linux2 
       Process ID: 2240 (3076) 
       Running for: 182 days 18 hours 56 min 50 sec 

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 18:25:53 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:25:53 +0100
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre2
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010523162803.31416A-100000@cortex.unice.fr> <00a201c0e39c$764ee860$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3B0BF2A1.AA8DBA64@nipltd.com>

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> 
> "the inventors" as in "the boys and girls who coded Zope"
> or as the Fredricksburg people put it: "us"
> 
> I meant that they invented Zope and when they did so they determined a style
> of displaying dates that standardised French, Scandinavien and other
> europeans had to accept.

Not only them ;-)

Who, apart from the Americans, uses that format?
I only ask 'cos I'm interested :-)

cheers,

Chris


From simon@joyful.com  Wed May 23 18:30:22 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 23 May 2001 10:30:22 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231218320.919-100000@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann's message of "Wed, 23 May 2001 12:44:24 +0400 (MSD)")
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231218320.919-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <87vgmsx9ap.fsf@joyful.com>

Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> writes:
> I, personnaly, just hate web-based collaboration. Cameron Laird and
> few other people suggested me to try ZWiki. I tried. Now I hate web
> collaboration even more :)

Awwww!  :)

Care to add that quote to zwiki.org ? It needs some salt.

I also detest, not the concept of web-based collaboration, but the
slow, unergonomic, unusable, inefficient manifestations of it that
have been so prevalent. Note that people whose setup supports very
fast web browsing are often less aware of this problem.

For rapid back-and-forth discussion we don't yet have anything to beat
email. NB zwiki wants to become interchangeable with a mailing list,
but so far only the rudimentary PageSubscribers: mechanism has been
implemented.

-Simon

PS how exactly did it make you hate web collaboration more ?
Was zwiki.org's easy comment form any help ? 


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 18:42:54 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:42:54 +0100
Subject: [Zope] sequence-batch variables with dtml-in
References: <3B0BF068.A708B53C@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <3B0BF69E.8B0EA6FB@nipltd.com>

Answering my own question:

>       Results <B><dtml-var sequence-step-start></B>
>       to <B>sequence-step-end</B>
>       of <B><dtml-var sequence-length></B>,
>       searching for <B>"<dtml-var "REQUEST.searchText">"</B>

cheers,

Chris

PS: Off to the collector to ask this to be documented in the Help System...


From donald.braman@yale.edu  Wed May 23 19:51:02 2001
From: donald.braman@yale.edu (Donald Braman)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:51:02 -0500
Subject: [Zope] dtml to xml migration
Message-ID: <990640262.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.yale.edu>

I've built a site using Zope that uses a bit of dtml. I would like to 
begin migrating the code to xml in anticipation of Zope's phasing out of 
dtml. Would that be premature? If not, any advice on how best to 
approach it? 

Donald Braman




From nuno@fccn.pt  Wed May 23 18:53:54 2001
From: nuno@fccn.pt (nuno)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:53:54 +0100
Subject: [Zope] zope 2.3 instability
References: <3B0BE9C3.1000903@sferacarta.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c0e3b1$55693a50$940788c1@rccn.net>

Hi !!
Isn't there any problems with migrating zope 2.3.x contents to zope previous
version ????

The problems with Zserver hanging are rising in zope community !
For newbies to this problem i recomend:

http://www.zope.org/Members/tseaver/Projects/HighlyAvailableZope/Zope%20hang
ing%20(poss.%20threads-related)?pp=1

regards
Nuno

----- Original Message -----
From: "jose" <jose@sferacarta.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>; <jose@sferacarta.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:48 PM
Subject: [Zope] zope 2.3 instability


> Hi all,
> I have a problem of stability with my Zope.
> seems that every time zope sends the following line to debug.log:
>     <timestamp>: PROBLEM(100) ZServer unhandled connect event.
> Zope goes in loop, sucks all the available memory and goes down.
> Some times zope crash my Linux with the message:
> kernel:VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd.
> I'm thinking to  return back to the Zope previous release.
>
> Any ideas?
> Thank you to all.
> José
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From drees@the-bridge.net  Wed May 23 18:56:49 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:56:49 -0500
Subject: [Zope] dtml to xml migration
In-Reply-To: <990640262.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLOEGHCJAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> I've built a site using Zope that uses a bit of dtml. I would like to
> begin migrating the code to xml in anticipation of Zope's phasing out of
> dtml. Would that be premature? If not, any advice on how best to
> approach it?

Zope is phasing out dtml? Since when?
There's lots of work being done on Zope Page Templates but I am pretty sure
those aren't going to replace dtml. dtml will be here for a long time.



From marc@bowery.com  Wed May 23 18:57:10 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:57:10 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
In-Reply-To: <3B0BD92F.5FDA6DD2@ecn.purdue.edu>
Message-ID: <B7317235.2DACD%marc@bowery.com>


> From: "Christopher N. Deckard" <cnd@ecn.purdue.edu>
> 
> Why has no one mentioned Mozilla?  Standards compliant, free,

Because version 0.7 for the mac crashes too often and it's too slow, so I
try not to talk about it too much :)

It seems to be exactly or almost exactly the same as netscape 6....



From jimbo@tacomaplace.com  Wed May 23 19:31:04 2001
From: jimbo@tacomaplace.com (jimbo)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:31:04 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
Message-ID: <200105231131.AA734265668@tacomaplace.com>

I'm not sure if this counts since it uses wxpython, but 
it already has some support for zope. The project is still moving forward.  The zope support needs some more documentation.
jimbo



http://sourceforge.net/projects/boa-constructor/


From marc@bowery.com  Wed May 23 19:04:30 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:04:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope] index.html problem
In-Reply-To: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMEEMMECAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
Message-ID: <B73173ED.2DAD6%marc@bowery.com>

Check out:
http://www.zope.org/Members/Zen/tip_oldIndexDotHtmlSupport



> From: "Fritz Mesedilla" <fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
> Reply-To: <fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
> Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:30:06 +0800
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope] index.html problem
> 
> how come when we changed our filenames from index_html to index.html things
> started to get messy?
> 
> some pages appear properly but some retrieve pages from other directories.
> 
> is there a *rule* that we can't change this?
> 
> 
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
> 
> Summit Interactive, Inc.
> FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
> femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://contemplation401.tripod.com                     +Basta Ikaw Lord
> 
> 
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From bill@libc.org  Wed May 23 19:07:51 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 23 May 2001 12:07:51 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zserver stability problems
In-Reply-To: <062d01c0e38e$1a438e30$940788c1@rccn.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010522140924.00b4b418@mail.fredericksburg.com>
 <062d01c0e38e$1a438e30$940788c1@rccn.net>
Message-ID: <990641271.9520.2.camel@locutus>

On 23 May 2001 14:41:43 +0100, nuno wrote:
> Hi again !
> 
...
> 
> > Can you tell how much of your system resources are being use by Zope?
> There are 6 python processes spending 26 M each. I have plenty of RAM : )
> All resources are fine !

No, you have 6 _sharing_ 26M, not 6 using 26mb each.

Big difference. :)

Bill




From jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk  Wed May 23 19:28:08 2001
From: jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk (Jon Edwards)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:28:08 +0100
Subject: [Zope] The events based programming model for Zope ?
Message-ID: <JEECLCLBJHNJCFKKJLKHAEBACBAA.jon@pcgs.freeserve.co.uk>

> the object database in zope triggering events like start object instance

There is a fairly new ZClassEvents product that might be worth checking out?

http://www.zope.org/Members/tmclaugh/ZClassEvents

Cheers, Jon



From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 23 19:33:20 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:33:20 -0700
Subject: [Zope] dtml to xml migration
References: <990640262.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <00ad01c0e3b6$d8361570$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> I've built a site using Zope that uses a bit of dtml. I would like to
> begin migrating the code to xml in anticipation of Zope's phasing out of
> dtml. Would that be premature? If not, any advice on how best to
> approach it?

DC are very clear about this: DTML is not going away, being phased out or
replaced. DTML is here for the forseeable future. Everybody uses it a lot
and its got really good points. Just carry on using DTML, you will be fine.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.



From tommy@7x.com  Wed May 23 19:37:20 2001
From: tommy@7x.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:37:20 -0800
Subject: [Zope] Getting the value from a select box
Message-ID: <BKEPLFMFGHIJDGLKDKJHGEHNCAAA.tommy@7x.com>

Hey all,

I can use this code to get the value of a textbox.

<dtml-with REQUEST only>
    <dtml-var "form['txtID']">
</dtml-with>

- txtID is the name of the textbox.

Now, my question is, how do you get the value from a select drop-down box?
<dtml-var "form['size']"> doesn't work where the drop-down box name is size.
Also <dtml-var "form['size.value']"> or <dtml-var
"form['size.selectedIndex']"> doesn't work, however, I suspect it is because
it's thinking I'm asking for a form field named size.selectedIndex or
size.value

So how do you get this value?

Thanks in advance - and I'll probably thank you again after you answer,

Tommy



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Wed May 23 19:43:04 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:43:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope Fat Client Project - IE 5.5 browser freezes when accessing Source Forge
References: <001701c0e378$0f384320$6628a8c0@nowhere.com>
Message-ID: <004101c0e3b8$343d63e0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

"Albert Langer" <Albert.Langer@Directory-Designs.org> wrote:

> More than 90% of the time when I click on a Source Forge link my browser
> completely freezes (not just that window) requiring a complete browser
> restart. Seems to be associated with the ads display.

Albert you are not alone!
I have exactly the same headache
IE5.5 on Win89se.

I posted to the zope list to find out if it was local to me. The several
replies I received had no problems. Please keep me posted if you get to the
bottom of this & vice-versa..

./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']




From mindlace@digicool.com  Wed May 23 19:52:13 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:52:13 -0400
Subject: [Zope] time formatting
In-Reply-To: <3B0BF2A1.AA8DBA64@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <210310000.990643933@localhost.localdomain>

> Who, apart from the Americans, uses that format?
> I only ask 'cos I'm interested :-)

CMF uses YYYY-MM-DD because it uses dublin core, IIRC.

Americans use MM-DD-YYY because they're dreadfully brain damaged in every 
aspect of measurement.

I can't ever get MM-DD or DD-MM right after living on both sides of the 
pond so I just use ISO.
--
ethan mindlace fremen
zopatista community liason


From cbeaumon@msri.org  Wed May 23 19:50:10 2001
From: cbeaumon@msri.org (Chris Beaumont)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:50:10 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope Fat Client Project - IE 5.5 browser freezes when
 accessing Source Forge
In-Reply-To: <004101c0e3b8$343d63e0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
References: <001701c0e378$0f384320$6628a8c0@nowhere.com>
 <004101c0e3b8$343d63e0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <p0501040bb731b5bf7235@[192.168.1.2]>

Gee,

What a coincidence!

This sounds kind of like the problems I have frequently had in the 
past whenever I have tried to download Netscape Communicator with 
Internet Explorer..


Could there be a connection?

Chris




>"Albert Langer" <Albert.Langer@Directory-Designs.org> wrote:
>
>>  More than 90% of the time when I click on a Source Forge link my browser
>>  completely freezes (not just that window) requiring a complete browser
>>  restart. Seems to be associated with the ads display.
>
>Albert you are not alone!
>I have exactly the same headache
>IE5.5 on Win89se.
>
>I posted to the zope list to find out if it was local to me. The several
>replies I received had no problems. Please keep me posted if you get to the
>bottom of this & vice-versa..
>


From mindlace@digicool.com  Wed May 23 20:01:25 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:01:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope] OT: mozilla
In-Reply-To: <3B0BD92F.5FDA6DD2@ecn.purdue.edu>
Message-ID: <212110000.990644485@localhost.localdomain>

--On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:37:19 -0500 "Christopher N. Deckard" 
<cnd@ecn.purdue.edu> wrote:

> Why has no one mentioned Mozilla?  Standards compliant, free,
> supports everything that everyone has mentioned (CSS1, PNG, HTML4.)
> Mozilla is light years beyond any other web browser (with the
> exception of anything that uses Gecko.)   There is also a wrapper
> for Netscape 4 plugins so things like Flash, etc. work.

Because it's brain damaged enough that "view source" always went back to 
the server, making tracebacks useless (until the .9 release).

Now, with the .9 release, it sometimes says that it cannot view this 
content type when you do "view source". Ugh.

Also, the back button hasn't played well with frames. I've gotten a few 
nightlies that did ok, but they almost always regress.

Plus, on linux, at least, middle clicking in a text area means "insert my 
content at some random location".

Copying text from anywhere in mozilla and pasting it means "strip all 
leading whitespace" which is quite charming when editing python methods.

OTOH, .9 is blazing fast compared w/prior builds, even if libpr0n sometimes 
draws odd. Especially in mail/news, which used to be so slow i gave up, it 
is extremely fast.

0.9.1 looks like it will be "good enough for me"

and, when(ever) 1.0 lands it will be the most solid 1.0 release in the 
history of software ... except maybe for enlightenment (on 0.16 and 
climbing).

every-program-expands-until-it-has-it's-own-widget-set-ly y'rs
--
ethan mindlace fremen
zopatista community liason


From drusch@globalcrossing.com  Wed May 23 20:11:07 2001
From: drusch@globalcrossing.com (Daniel G. Rusch)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:11:07 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Iterating over REQUEST.form
References: <005d01c0e35f$1e3d3560$1ec6f080@ncl.ac.uk> <3B0BC784.7F601465@globalcrossing.com> <20010523101824.J539@blanchardsite.com>
Message-ID: <3B0C0B4B.5213A710@globalcrossing.com>

Charlie,

I'm running 2.3.1 (and as far as I can remember there has been a demo
folder) the zopeDemos is off the root folder. 

Dan

Charlie Blanchard wrote:
> 
> On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:21:56AM -0500, Daniel G. Rusch wrote:
> > Check out:
> >
> > /zopeDemos/demoFolder/formData/
> >
> > in your zope installation.
> >
> 
> huh? in my 2.3.x installation there's nothing like that...
> 
> --
> charlie blanchard
> http://baldguru.com/
> LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From michel@digicool.com  Wed May 23 20:31:58 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:31:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] dtml to xml migration
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c0e3b6$d8361570$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105231230510.24911-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Andy McKay wrote:

> > I've built a site using Zope that uses a bit of dtml. I would like to
> > begin migrating the code to xml in anticipation of Zope's phasing out of
> > dtml. Would that be premature? If not, any advice on how best to
> > approach it?
> 
> DC are very clear about this: DTML is not going away, being phased out or
> replaced. DTML is here for the forseeable future. Everybody uses it a lot
> and its got really good points. Just carry on using DTML, you will be fine.

Yep Andy's right, DTML is not going anywhere.  Why would we get rid of
such a powerful, easy to use, expressive, consistent language like
DTML? <snort>

-Michel



From David.Curtis@state.or.us  Wed May 23 20:49:12 2001
From: David.Curtis@state.or.us (CURTIS David)
Date: 23 May 2001 12:49:12 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Applet does not work
Message-ID: <"3B0C13A4.AAC1.2CCA.000*/c=us/admd= /prmd=or.gov/o=MB/ou=gwise/s=Curtis/g=David/"@MHS>

Hi,

I was wondering if Zope supports Java Applets.  I recently added some code to a dhtml method that calls a function called simple.class.  I was unable to get the applet to work.  Can Zope support Applets?

Here is the code that I tried to use.
<center><b><table border="10-10"><td>
<applet code="Lake.class" id="Lake" width="320" height="350">
    <param name="image" value="fantasy.jpg">
    <param name="overlay" value>
    <param name="href" value>
</applet></b></td></table></center>
Cheers,
DC
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       


From drees@the-bridge.net  Wed May 23 21:00:26 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:00:26 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Applet does not work
In-Reply-To: <"3B0C13A4.AAC1.2CCA.000*/c=us/admd= /prmd=or.gov/o=MB/ou=gwise/s=Curtis/g=David/"@MHS>
Message-ID: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLGEGOCJAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> I was wondering if Zope supports Java Applets.  

Yes.


Zope treats them like a file object.


From andreas@digicool.com  Wed May 23 21:00:05 2001
From: andreas@digicool.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:00:05 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Applet does not work
References: <"3B0C13A4.AAC1.2CCA.000*/c=us/admd= /prmd=or.gov/o=MB/ou=gwise/s=Curtis/g=David/"@MHS>
Message-ID: <03d701c0e3c2$f61a1940$0901000a@SUXLAP>

I assume this should work when Lake.class is kept inside the ZODB. Maybe it
must be neccessary
that Zope send the right MIME-type for .class objects. If it does not work,
what is the error
message of the browser. When using Netscape you can find additional error
messages inside the
Java console.

Andreas
----- Original Message -----
From: "CURTIS David" <David.Curtis@state.or.us>
To: "IPM Return requested (Receipt notification requested) (Reply
requested)" <Zope@zope.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:49 PM
Subject: [Zope] Applet does not work


> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if Zope supports Java Applets.  I recently added some code
to a dhtml method that calls a function called simple.class.  I was unable
to get the applet to work.  Can Zope support Applets?
>
> Here is the code that I tried to use.
> <center><b><table border="10-10"><td>
> <applet code="Lake.class" id="Lake" width="320" height="350">
>     <param name="image" value="fantasy.jpg">
>     <param name="overlay" value>
>     <param name="href" value>
> </applet></b></td></table></center>
> Cheers,
> DC
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From sabaini@niil.at  Wed May 23 21:12:56 2001
From: sabaini@niil.at (Peter Sabaini)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:12:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] re: longest running Zope
In-Reply-To: <3B0BF177.AABC7070@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105232206260.29604-100000@oeh.tu-graz.ac.at>

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Tim Cook wrote:

> > > What is the longest uptime anyone has had with Zope and what OS was it
> > > running?
>
> I had forgotten about this lightly used extra-net server that I
> setup for a customer last year. It was taken down once for a
> physical location move.
>
>        Running for: 182 days 18 hours 56 min 50 sec

RATS! But then again, I still dont get chicks with a long running
Zope... oh well...

 - peter.




From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Wed May 23 21:27:07 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:27:07 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Help for building an intranet
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CDB@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

You can try NTUserFolder
http://www.zope.org/Members/htrd/NTUserFolder
for your authentication.
Look at LocalFS for the files:
http://www.zope.org/Members/jfarr/Products/LocalFS
You can also enable FTP on the zope server.  Run
python z2.py -h
to get a list of options.  Edit start.bat with the options you want, and
away you go.

Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: Igor Leturia [mailto:igor@emun.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:48 AM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] Help for building an intranet


  Hi everyone!

  I'm a newbie in Zope. So far I have installed and tried Zope, followed the
tutorial and done a very simple application.

  The problem is I have to make an intranet for my company, as fast as
possible and as easy to use for the people in my company as possible. I want
people to be able to add new material to the intranet, but without having to
upload it in Zope (could be too complicated for them). The easiest way would
be to let them copy the material to a folder in the server's hard disk. Is
there any Zope product or add-in that lets me see the files of a folder in
the hard disk, so I can dynamically arrange a menu depending on the files of
a folder in the hard disk?

  Also, I would like to restrict the access to these files on the hard disk
depending on the access rights defined for the files in the local hard disk.
Is it possible to do this, I mean reading the access rights of a file in the
hard disk? The operating system is Windows 2000 Server.

  And finally, I would like the users not to have to log in (enter user name
and password) again in Zope, as they have already logged in the domain when
switching on the computer. Is it possible to obtain what user name the user
has logged in the domain with? Again, the operating system is Windows 2000
Server.

  Thanks in advance,

                                                Igor Leturia


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 23 21:25:45 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:25:45 +0100
Subject: [Zope] dtml to xml migration
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105231230510.24911-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <007901c0e3c6$945ebb80$df51073e@withers>

> Yep Andy's right, DTML is not going anywhere.  Why would we get rid of
> such a powerful, easy to use, expressive, consistent language like
> DTML? <snort>

I'll drink to that ;-)

Chris



From donald.braman@yale.edu  Wed May 23 22:30:29 2001
From: donald.braman@yale.edu (Donald Braman)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:30:29 -0500
Subject: [Zope] dtml to xml migration
Message-ID: <990649829.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.yale.edu>

Here's where I got it...apparently I read too much into the phrase 
"replacing dtml" in the write-up. 

February 19th Zope News 
Zope Presentation Templates, by Ethan Fremen

Zope Presentation Templates now in an alpha release, have the promise of 
both replacing dtml and integrating well with wysiwyg tools, like Adobe 
GoLive.

I'm really excited about this project: it should go a long way towards 
us being able to have real separation of logic, presentation, and data.

The basic idea is that attributes in a namespace will control 
manipulation of nodes in a native XML namespace: the most common example 
will be XHTML.

This means that you'll no longer have a page so saturated with 
additional tags that you cannot identify the underlying XHTML: instead, 
you'll have a well formed document that your editor can play nicely 
with.

Don

---------Included Message----------
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:56:49 -0500
From: "Steve Drees" <drees@the-bridge.net>
Reply-To: "Steve Drees" <drees@the-bridge.net>
To: <donald.braman@yale.edu>, <zope@zope.org>
Subject: RE: [Zope] dtml to xml migration

> I've built a site using Zope that uses a bit of dtml. I would like to
> begin migrating the code to xml in anticipation of Zope's phasing out 
of
> dtml. Would that be premature? If not, any advice on how best to
> approach it?

Zope is phasing out dtml? Since when?
There's lots of work being done on Zope Page Templates but I am pretty 
sure
those aren't going to replace dtml. dtml will be here for a long time.

---------End of Included Message----------

Donald Braman
donald.braman@yale.edu




From tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk  Wed May 23 22:00:25 2001
From: tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk (Tony McDonald)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:00:25 +0100
Subject: [Zope] RE: Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <1241100.990569611@[0.0.0.0]>
Message-ID: <B731E35E.8774%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>

On 22/5/01 10:13 pm, "Simon Coles" <simon@nipltd.com> wrote:

> Regarding Mac support for wxWindows, this is a concern for me as NIP's
> token Mac user (and hence the other NIP'ers working on this - Chris and
> Andy) :-).
> 

There's some newish work done with wxPython under MacOS X - could be a good
start.

> You can run X Windows apps under MacOS X, either with the free XonX package
> or Tenon's XTools. I suspect this means we'll be able to run wxWindows for
> X Windows under MacOS X. I'll try this when I have time.
> 

Shudder.

> Running the X Window version doesn't solve the problem for pre-MacOS X
> people, but then again they can't run Zope either, so I don't think that's
> too much of a problem.
> 

I know :( - this has always been a downer for me, so I installed LinuxPPC
just to get Zope working on an old BlackMac I have.

> If I can't get wxWindows running under MacOS X, we'll just have to come up
> with something based on Cocoa.... then you'll all be sorry! (evil laugh).
> 

Oh yes they will won't they? ;)

The combination of proper unix and the Mac GUI (altered via Aqua) is just so
... terrific ... as far as I'm concerned.

> (the running joke at NIP is we're trying to ease Chris W. off his
> unfortunate addiction to Windows - MacOS X may be a more comfortable
> upgrade for him than Linux, if only because hardware looks cool).
> 

Chris?, Windows? - didn't know thaaat.

And you're right, the hardware (TiPb) is tres icebox ;)

Tone out.
-- 
Dr Tony McDonald,  Assistant Director, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/
The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope



From joe@iuveno-net.de  Wed May 23 22:11:32 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:11:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest
References: <20010523155754.14908.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com> <20010523181032.B22682@mediasupervision.de>
Message-ID: <003001c0e3cc$f1e93540$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> Regaring the webpage: How about usability experts, as well ? (A graphics
> artist doesn't warrant for a decent webpage)

Very good idea!

Joachim



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 23 22:16:37 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:16:37 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <87vgmsx9ap.fsf@joyful.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105240111590.9806-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On 23 May 2001, Simon Michael wrote:
> Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> writes:
> > I, personnaly, just hate web-based collaboration. Cameron Laird and
> > few other people suggested me to try ZWiki. I tried. Now I hate web
> > collaboration even more :)
>
> Awwww!  :)
> Care to add that quote to zwiki.org ? It needs some salt.

   Are you trying to make me even bigger fool than I am? :))) Asking *me*
to go to zwiki and edit it!! :)))
   Please add it yourself!!! :)))

> PS how exactly did it make you hate web collaboration more ?
> Was zwiki.org's easy comment form any help ?

   It was not ZWiki.org. It was
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting
   I was very tired by loading and reloading the page few times a day. And
editing it - 'twas nightmare. Thanks goodness the discussion is over, the
point resolved, the code accepted. Goodby zwikies, hope to see you next
century (but not earlier :).

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 23 22:17:11 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:17:11 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] dtml to xml migration
In-Reply-To: <007901c0e3c6$945ebb80$df51073e@withers>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105240116440.9806-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> > Yep Andy's right, DTML is not going anywhere.  Why would we get rid of
> > such a powerful, easy to use, expressive, consistent language like
> > DTML? <snort>
>
> I'll drink to that ;-)

   Me too! :))

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 23 22:55:00 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:55:00 -0700
Subject: [Zope] dtml to xml migration
References: <990649829.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <003b01c0e3d3$0766dc00$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Hmm, it doesnt read well in that statement, but after a rather long thread
on zopezen (http://www.zopezen.org/ZopeZen/SDot/983164155) Paul and Jim made
a point of reassuring people at the python conference.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Braman" <donald.braman@yale.edu>
To: "Steve Drees" <drees@the-bridge.net>
Cc: <donald.braman@yale.edu>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [Zope] dtml to xml migration


> Here's where I got it...apparently I read too much into the phrase
> "replacing dtml" in the write-up.
>
> February 19th Zope News
> Zope Presentation Templates, by Ethan Fremen
>
> Zope Presentation Templates now in an alpha release, have the promise of
> both replacing dtml and integrating well with wysiwyg tools, like Adobe
> GoLive.
>
> I'm really excited about this project: it should go a long way towards
> us being able to have real separation of logic, presentation, and data.
>
> The basic idea is that attributes in a namespace will control
> manipulation of nodes in a native XML namespace: the most common example
> will be XHTML.
>
> This means that you'll no longer have a page so saturated with
> additional tags that you cannot identify the underlying XHTML: instead,
> you'll have a well formed document that your editor can play nicely
> with.
>
> Don
>
> ---------Included Message----------
> Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:56:49 -0500
> From: "Steve Drees" <drees@the-bridge.net>
> Reply-To: "Steve Drees" <drees@the-bridge.net>
> To: <donald.braman@yale.edu>, <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: RE: [Zope] dtml to xml migration
>
> > I've built a site using Zope that uses a bit of dtml. I would like to
> > begin migrating the code to xml in anticipation of Zope's phasing out
> of
> > dtml. Would that be premature? If not, any advice on how best to
> > approach it?
>
> Zope is phasing out dtml? Since when?
> There's lots of work being done on Zope Page Templates but I am pretty
> sure
> those aren't going to replace dtml. dtml will be here for a long time.
>
> ---------End of Included Message----------
>
> Donald Braman
> donald.braman@yale.edu
>
>
>
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From joe@iuveno-net.de  Wed May 23 23:01:18 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:01:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope IDE: Look at BOA Constructor!
Message-ID: <000b01c0e3d3$e54b5d20$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

Hi!

I've read the threads about a fat client project for Zope. Please have a
look at Riaan Booysen's BOA Constructor! Unfortunately the current CVS
version does not reflect this yet, but Riaan just added very impressing Zope
support (initially written by Robert Boulanger) to BOA. The project is quite
advanced already, and I guess it would not make too much sense to start a
new project without getting in contact with Riaan and Robert
(robert@bluedynamics.com) first ...

Cheers

Joachim.



From rhess@bic.ch  Wed May 23 23:00:53 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:00:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope] send object via dtml as Mail attachment
References: <990632289.3b0bd9616dd17@marcus.localguru.de>
Message-ID: <3B0C3315.3F100E3E@bic.ch>

Marcus Schopen wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> trying to figure out how to send a DTMLDocument
> as Mail HTML-Attachment.
> Problem: Content of index.html object is placed in the body of the mail
> not atteched.
> 
> <dtml-sendmail mailhost="MailHost">
> To: me <marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de>
> From: me <marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de>
> Subject: Test
> 
> Moin
> 
>   <dtml-mime type=text/html encode="7bit" name=index.html>
>   <dtml-var index.html>
>   </dtml-mime>
> 
> </dtml-sendmail>
> 
> mail sent.

Hi Marcus

What about (skip the comments after ###):

<dtml-sendmail mailhost="MailHost">
To: me <marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de>
Date: <dtml-var ZopeTime fmt="rfc822"> ### Date is essential in emails
;-)
From: me <marcus.schopen@uni-bielefeld.de>
Subject: Test
<dtml-mime type="text/plain" encode="7bit">   #### Here comes text in
body

Moin,
Let me bother you with this nice attachment !  ###After that the
attachment
 
<dtml-boundary type="application/octet-stream" disposition="attachment"
encode="base64" filename_expr="index.html"><dtml-var
expr="index.html.read()"></dtml-mime>
</dtml-sendmail>

OK, i did not test that, but it might work. Of course you got the file
content in the body of your email message, because you have put it there
deliberately. Watch in the above especially, how some text body (with
MIME type text/plain is completely separate from an attachment part of
the email (with MIME type application/octet-stream).

You might perhaps like to change this *application/octet-stream* to 
*text/html* if you want so send html files only.

One last note: Be very cautious about *empty line* or *no empty line
between*. This can make email sending happening or preventing,
especially with MIME type stuff ! I ran also into troubles once, only
because I had intended lines (as in the example in the Zope Book, which
was simply *not* working, until I kicked out all the line intendations).
And still another: the help text for *MIME* in the API/DTML help of Zope
has a bug in the example, they give at the end.

HTH

--Flynt--


From mindlace@digicool.com  Wed May 23 23:13:00 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:13:00 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest
In-Reply-To: <20010523155754.14908.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <219960000.990655980@localhost.localdomain>

--On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 08:57:54 -0700 Jason Byron 
<jason_zope@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I think we should have a zope logo/webpage design contest.
>
> Any graphic artists out there?

hmm... we're already working on a redesign... see

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZopeOrgCollaborationEnhancement/
MockUp


--
ethan mindlace fremen
zopatista community liason


From mindlace@digicool.com  Wed May 23 23:15:09 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:15:09 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest
In-Reply-To: <20010523181032.B22682@mediasupervision.de>
Message-ID: <222370000.990656109@localhost.localdomain>

--On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 18:10:33 +0200 Gregor Hoffleit 
<gregor@mediasupervision.de> wrote:

> Regaring the webpage: How about usability experts, as well ? (A graphics
> artist doesn't warrant for a decent webpage)

Though i am no expert, I have read Designing Web Usability and Don't Make 
Me Think and it has informed the site design I am proposing.

--
ethan mindlace fremen
zopatista community liason


From tol@tanghus.dk  Wed May 23 23:17:03 2001
From: tol@tanghus.dk (Thomas Olsen)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:17:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZPT] escaping chars in tal
References: <3B0B8F84.6B1274BB@iconmedialab.dk> <00f301c0e375$0e93cd20$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3B0C36DF.2A7E6392@iconmedialab.dk>

Hi

Thanks for all the replies on this - i'm learning something new every
day while trying to git rid of my C/C++ habits ;-)

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> 
> Isn't it just to double it
> Instead of bad and breaking ;
> use the escaped ;;
> 
> P
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Olsen" <thomas@iconmedialab.dk>
> To: "Zope Page Templates" <zpt@zope.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:23 PM
> Subject: [ZPT] escaping chars in tal
> 
> > Hi I'm trying to set the attributes in a meta tag. I have tried:
> >
> > <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="dummy" tal:attributes="content
> > python:('%s; URL=%s' % (here.refreshrate, here.absolute_url()))">
> > <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="dummy" tal:attributes="content
> > string:python:('%s%s%s' % (here.refreshrate, '; URL=',
> > here.absolute_url()))">
> > <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="dummy" tal:attributes="content
> > python:('%s; URL=%s' % (here.refreshrate, here.absolute_url()))">
> >
> > and other variation of this but to no avail. Every time there is a semi
> > colon or an equality sign in the expression Zope barfs saying something
> > like:
> > Products.PageTemplates.TALES.CompilerError: invalid variable name
> > "absolute_url()))"
> >
> > If I try without the semi color or equality sign it works OK?
> > --
> > Thomas Olsen
> > Programmer
> > Icon Medialab, Denmark
> > Havnegade 39, 3-5 sal.
> > DK-1058 Copenhagen K
> >
> > Icon Office  :  +45 70 23 10 01
> > Icon Fax     :  +45 33 32 02 09
> > Email        :  thomas@iconmedialab.dk,tanghus@kde.org
> >
> > http://www.iconmedialab.com - http://www.tanghus.dk
> >
> > Do not meddle in the affairs of programmers, for they are easy to annoy,
> > and have all the source code!!!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ZPT mailing list
> > ZPT@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zpt
> >

-- 
Thomas Olsen
Programmer
Icon Medialab, Denmark
Havnegade 39, 3-5 sal.
DK-1058 Copenhagen K

Icon Office  :  +45 70 23 10 01
Icon Fax     :  +45 33 32 02 09
Email        :  thomas@iconmedialab.dk,tanghus@kde.org

http://www.iconmedialab.com - http://www.tanghus.dk

Do not meddle in the affairs of programmers, for they are easy to annoy,
and have all the source code!!!


From srichter@cbu.edu  Wed May 23 23:20:46 2001
From: srichter@cbu.edu (Stephan Richter)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:20:46 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zope IDE: Look at BOA Constructor!
In-Reply-To: <000b01c0e3d3$e54b5d20$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010523171517.0331eb60@mail.cbu.edu>

Hello,

fortunately, I was able to meet with Riaan and Robert last week and the 
project is really cool and Boa has many cool features!
Here is the sourceforge URL (since Joachim forgot to mention it): 
http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net

Ohh, I forgot: The Zope-activated Boa code is not there yet, but Riaan will 
update the site next week... (You might get a sneak preview, if you e-mail 
him ;-)

P.S: Please don;t be disturbed by the version number!!! BOA can do a lot of 
things and is stable!!!!

Regards,
Stephan

--
Stephan Richter
CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student
Web2k - Web Design/Development & Technical Project Management



From dondi@purdue.edu  Wed May 23 23:22:40 2001
From: dondi@purdue.edu (Dondi Bogusky)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:22:40 -0500
Subject: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest
In-Reply-To: <219960000.990655980@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <B731A260.1F9AA%dondi@purdue.edu>

Looks good. Zope is about content, presentation, and function. Zope.org is a
gathering place for developers, content managers, and designers. (Zope.dev
is all about/for developers, CMF is all about/for content management. I
don't see such re-design need for these sites.) I think Zope dot org should
present an evolving project.


> From: ethan mindlace fremen <mindlace@digicool.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:13:00 -0400
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest
> 
> --On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 08:57:54 -0700 Jason Byron
> <jason_zope@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think we should have a zope logo/webpage design contest.
>> 
>> Any graphic artists out there?
> 
> hmm... we're already working on a redesign... see
> 
> http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZopeOrgCollaborationEnhancement/
> MockUp
> 
> 
> --
> ethan mindlace fremen
> zopatista community liason
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 



From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Wed May 23 23:28:31 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:28:31 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Simple assignment (?)
Message-ID: <200105231528310140.027C063C@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

I'm trying to do an assignment to a variable I created with
"let" as follows:

<dtml-let pricelist="parseSeminarRegistration(price_dates)"
  currentPrice="pricelist[0][1]" >

<dtml-in pricelist>
  <dtml-if sequence-key>
    <dtml-if "_.DateTime() <
_.DateTime(_['sequence-key'])">
      <dtml-call currentPrice="_['sequence-item']">
    </dtml-if>
  </dtml-if>
</dtml-in>

The 
      <dtml-call currentPrice="_['sequence-item']">
Doesn't work, I've tried another way or two.

I'm sure assignment must be straightforward, but I'm
probably missing something obvious. Can someone enlighten?
Thanks.

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From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Wed May 23 23:34:44 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:34:44 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope IDE: Look at BOA Constructor!
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010523171517.0331eb60@mail.cbu.edu>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010523171517.0331eb60@mail.cbu.edu>
Message-ID: <200105231534440690.0281B9BF@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

Wow! It looks like Delphi/C++ Builder for Python. My
fondest wishes come true. Fingers are crossed.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 5/23/01 at 5:20 PM Stephan Richter wrote:

>Hello,
>
>fortunately, I was able to meet with Riaan and Robert last
week and the 
>project is really cool and Boa has many cool features!
>Here is the sourceforge URL (since Joachim forgot to
mention it): 
>http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net
>
>Ohh, I forgot: The Zope-activated Boa code is not there
yet, but Riaan
>will 
>update the site next week... (You might get a sneak
preview, if you e-mail 
>him ;-)
>
>P.S: Please don;t be disturbed by the version number!!!
BOA can do a lot
>of 
>things and is stable!!!!
>
>Regards,
>Stephan
>
>--
>Stephan Richter
>CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student
>Web2k - Web Design/Development & Technical Project
Management
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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From bhimsengola@hotmail.com  Wed May 23 23:37:47 2001
From: bhimsengola@hotmail.com (Richard Humagain)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:37:47 -0000
Subject: [Zope] jobBoard and tinyTable
Message-ID: <F252jq65Rn8P5o7P6um0000db8f@hotmail.com>

Hi, I have 2 questions:

1) How do I update a job content in the jobBoard without hard coding the id
2) Is it possible to populate tinyTable from external form (without going to 
management interface)?

Thanks

Sushil
_________________________________________________________________
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From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 23 23:44:38 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:44:38 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Simple assignment (?)
References: <200105231528310140.027C063C@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <009e01c0e3d9$f35a8ca0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

>       <dtml-call currentPrice="_['sequence-item']">

What is this meant to do? <dtml-call> does not support assignment and does
not return anything. If you are trying to print just <dtml-var
sequence-item> will do. This really looks a job for a python script, not for
dtml.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Eckel" <Bruce@EckelObjects.com>
To: <chrism@digicool.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:28 PM
Subject: [Zope] Simple assignment (?)


> I'm trying to do an assignment to a variable I created with
> "let" as follows:
>
> <dtml-let pricelist="parseSeminarRegistration(price_dates)"
>   currentPrice="pricelist[0][1]" >
>
> <dtml-in pricelist>
>   <dtml-if sequence-key>
>     <dtml-if "_.DateTime() <
> _.DateTime(_['sequence-key'])">
>       <dtml-call currentPrice="_['sequence-item']">
>     </dtml-if>
>   </dtml-if>
> </dtml-in>
>
> The
>       <dtml-call currentPrice="_['sequence-item']">
> Doesn't work, I've tried another way or two.
>
> I'm sure assignment must be straightforward, but I'm
> probably missing something obvious. Can someone enlighten?
> Thanks.
>
> Most current information can be found at:
> http://www.mindview.net/Etc/notes.html
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> "Thinking in C++ 2e"
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From marc@bowery.com  Wed May 23 23:58:00 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:58:00 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Simple assignment (?)
In-Reply-To: <009e01c0e3d9$f35a8ca0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <B731B8B8.2DB44%marc@bowery.com>

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Eckel" <Bruce@EckelObjects.com>
>> The
>> <dtml-call currentPrice="_['sequence-item']">
>> Doesn't work, I've tried another way or two.


How about

<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('currentPrice',_['sequence-item'])">




From eric@walstads.net  Thu May 24 00:39:05 2001
From: eric@walstads.net (Eric Walstad)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:39:05 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Simple assignment (?)
In-Reply-To: <200105231528310140.027C063C@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIHDFELHAEMHJHFIEEEANCLAA.eric@walstads.net>

Hi Bruce,

I'm not sure if it's the most elegant way to do it, but could try defining
currentPrice with a call to REQUEST.set() rather than in the Let tag.
The first REQUEST.set would initialize currentPrice (maybe not necessary?),
then you could reassign the value using another REQUEST.set in your DateTime
logic.

Something like:
> <dtml-let pricelist="parseSeminarRegistration(price_dates)">
>
> <dtml-in pricelist>
>   <dtml-if sequence-key>
>     <dtml-if "_.DateTime() <
> _.DateTime(_['sequence-key'])">
>       <dtml-call expr="REQUEST.set('currentPrice',_['sequence-item'])">
>     </dtml-if>
>   </dtml-if>
> </dtml-in>

Eric.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Bruce
> Eckel
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:29 PM
> To: chrism@digicool.com
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Simple assignment (?)
>
>
> I'm trying to do an assignment to a variable I created with
> "let" as follows:
>
> <dtml-let pricelist="parseSeminarRegistration(price_dates)"
>   currentPrice="pricelist[0][1]" >
>
> <dtml-in pricelist>
>   <dtml-if sequence-key>
>     <dtml-if "_.DateTime() <
> _.DateTime(_['sequence-key'])">
>       <dtml-call currentPrice="_['sequence-item']">
>     </dtml-if>
>   </dtml-if>
> </dtml-in>
>
> The
>       <dtml-call currentPrice="_['sequence-item']">
> Doesn't work, I've tried another way or two.
>
> I'm sure assignment must be straightforward, but I'm
> probably missing something obvious. Can someone enlighten?
> Thanks.



From simon@joyful.com  Thu May 24 00:33:57 2001
From: simon@joyful.com (Simon Michael)
Date: 23 May 2001 16:33:57 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105240111590.9806-100000@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann's message of "Thu, 24 May 2001 01:16:37 +0400 (MSD)")
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105240111590.9806-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <87n183wsgq.fsf@joyful.com>

Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> writes:
> > Care to add that quote to zwiki.org ? It needs some salt.
> 
> Are you trying to make me even bigger fool than I am? :))) Asking *me*
> to go to zwiki and edit it!! :)))
> Please add it yourself!!! :)))

Drat! You see my cunning plan even before I do.

>    I was very tired by loading and reloading the page few times a day. And
> editing it - 'twas nightmare. Thanks goodness the discussion is over, the
> point resolved, the code accepted. Goodby zwikies, hope to see you next
> century (but not earlier :).

Ok then :) Though I'm sure you realize that no one site will give you
a complete representation of zwiki's usability or lack of.


From a.dewit@niwa.cri.nz  Thu May 24 01:00:07 2001
From: a.dewit@niwa.cri.nz (Arian de Wit)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:00:07 +1200
Subject: [Zope] Some advice on "best" practice?
Message-ID: <3B0CF7C0.12588.58B3ECF@localhost>

Hi All,

Perhaps these newbie questions are a bit stupid, but here goes:

1) What's the best way to analyse the Z2 web logs? Do they 
conform to some standard web log format?

2) What the best shopping cart/e-commerce solution for use with 
Zope? (What's being used successfully out there on real live 
websites?)


Thanks a lot,

Arian

 
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From jwm@plain.co.nz  Thu May 24 01:05:18 2001
From: jwm@plain.co.nz (John Morton)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:05:18 +1200
Subject: [Zope] The events based programming model for Zope ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231546010.12344-100000@phd.fep.ru>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231546010.12344-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <01052412051800.11873@antares>

On Wednesday 23 May 2001 23:48, Oleg Broytmann wrote:
>  On Wed, 23 May 2001, Bobby Mathew wrote:
>  > great if a web server would include triggers internally like - page
>  > closed
>
>     What do you mean? How server can know about it at all? This is done=
 on
>  client side, and client doesn't notify server about it. It seems you
>  completely messed client-side and server-side things.
>     On the client side you can use JavaScript. There are triggers onLoa=
d,
>  onUnload, etc.

These guys have done something along the lines of building web apps along=
 an
event model:

http://openthought.net/

It looks as though the communications components could be integrated with=
 Zope
to do the same thing; it's probably just a matter of using the ParsedXML=20
product, as well.

John.


From karl@digicool.com  Thu May 24 00:59:52 2001
From: karl@digicool.com (Karl Anderson)
Date: 23 May 2001 16:59:52 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: Oleg Broytmann's message of "Wed, 23 May 2001 12:44:24 +0400 (MSD)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231218320.919-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <m07kz7wr9j.fsf@dclxvi.foobar.not>

Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> writes:

>    I, personnaly, just hate web-based collaboration. Cameron Laird and few
> other people suggested me to try ZWiki. I tried. Now I hate web
> collaboration even more :)
> 
>    Let me count pros and cons of web-based collaboration against e-mail:
> 
> 1. Web is "pull technology". You need to download the entire page. How many
> times do I need to read and reread messages on
> http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting - just to
> see noone added new comment? Isn't it just a waste of traffic?

I use NetMind's URL-Minder to tell me when the wikis I need to be on
top of are updated.  I watch RecentChanges when I care about the
whole wiki, individual pages otherwise.

> 2. Editing text is certainly weak point of the web. It is plainly nightmare
> to edit text in those small <textarea>s that loose all decent editing
> features. With e-mail, I can use whatever editor I prefer.

There's no reason to edit in the web browser if you don't want to.
With FTP, you can use whatever editor you prefer.  I only use the
textarea to make new pages, and only then because I've been too lazy
to set up the PUT hook that would remove this.

>    I certainly missed many points. I'd be glad if anyone says his/her
> words in favor (or agains) web or email-based collaboration.

It's not really a split.  Email archives are usually web based, but
they're not editable like wiki pages are.

I hate web-based replacements for mailing lists, but wikis aren't
that.  They're complimentary.

-- 
Karl Anderson                          karl@digicool.com


From michel@digicool.com  Thu May 24 01:36:24 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:36:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Simple assignment (?)
In-Reply-To: <B731B8B8.2DB44%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231731140.30100-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 23 May 2001, marc lindahl wrote:

>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Eckel" <Bruce@EckelObjects.com>
> >> The
> >> <dtml-call currentPrice="_['sequence-item']">
> >> Doesn't work, I've tried another way or two.
>
>
> How about
>
> <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('currentPrice',_['sequence-item'])">

This is the way it should be done in DTML, but really, your code screams
to be rewritten in python.  DTML is not meant to do things like this.
Wouldn't you prefer:

for date, price in pricelist:
  if date and (DateTime() < DateTime(date)):
      currentPrice = price
return currentPrice

instead of:

<dtml-in pricelist>
  <dtml-if sequence-key>
    <dtml-if "_.DateTime() <
_.DateTime(_['sequence-key'])">
      <dtml-call currentPrice="_['sequence-item']">
    </dtml-if>
  </dtml-if>
</dtml-in>

-Michel



From wilson@visi.com  Thu May 24 03:05:30 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:05:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] Some advice on "best" practice?
In-Reply-To: <3B0CF7C0.12588.58B3ECF@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105232105030.16554-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Arian de Wit wrote:

> 1) What's the best way to analyse the Z2 web logs? Do they 
> conform to some standard web log format?

I know Webalizer works fine (http://www.webalizer.org/).

-Tim

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From bill@libc.org  Thu May 24 05:26:50 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 23 May 2001 22:26:50 -0600
Subject: [Zope] xml-rpc marshal problems
In-Reply-To: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLEEGBCJAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
References: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLEEGBCJAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <990678410.1273.4.camel@locutus>

On 23 May 2001 10:41:59 -0500, Steve Drees wrote:
> Playing with xml-rpc a little and I'm confused.
> 
> 
> view_sql is a zsql in the root of htpp://steve.wejustrock.com


Calling ZSQL Methd from xml-rpc does not work.
You basically need to call it from s PythonScript, and turn it into
something xml-rpc can marshal.

How to do that is anotehr question, one I have decided to avoid, rather
than tackle. ;)

Bill





From a_mayerson@yahoo.com  Thu May 24 05:29:39 2001
From: a_mayerson@yahoo.com (Aaron Mayerson)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:29:39 -0700
Subject: [Zope] not showing any views...
Message-ID: <00d201c0e40a$25662170$4500a8c0@snowville>

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    When I try logging into http://url:8080/manage it shows the view of =
index_html in the main frame instead of the management area.  If I try =
clicking on any other folders, besides Quickstart and Control_Panel, =
nothing happens--the view of index_html just remains in the main frame.  =

    I have tried logging out and logging back in with every user, but I =
get the same result.  I've also tried stopping and restarting the zope =
server.
    Any ideas why this is happening, or how I can correct it?=20

    Thanks

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From kosh@aesaeion.com  Thu May 24 05:48:57 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:48:57 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Zope] not showing any views...
In-Reply-To: <00d201c0e40a$25662170$4500a8c0@snowville>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105232248400.600-100000@aesaeion.com>

What browser and what version of that browser under what OS with what
version of zope?

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Aaron Mayerson wrote:

>     When I try logging into http://url:8080/manage it shows the view of index_html in the main frame instead of the management area.  If I try clicking on any other folders, besides Quickstart and Control_Panel, nothing happens--the view of index_html just remains in the main frame.
>     I have tried logging out and logging back in with every user, but I get the same result.  I've also tried stopping and restarting the zope server.
>     Any ideas why this is happening, or how I can correct it?
>
>     Thanks
>



From mak@kha0s.org  Thu May 24 05:48:59 2001
From: mak@kha0s.org (M. Adam Kendall)
Date: 24 May 2001 00:48:59 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ANN: www.zopelabs.com
Message-ID: <990679739.668.6.camel@cartman>

Hey folks,
Just a little note to announce the availability of
http://www.zopelabs.com.  A community driven site that 
houses a Zope "cookbook". Code snippets that you find 
useful for doing the mundane, or more in-depth 
"black magic voodoo".  The general goal is to provide 
a "learn by example" environment, and cut-and-paste type
code sharing.  Hopefully, with this type of environment
it will make the migration from PHP/ASP to Zope a much
more pleasurable experience.
Along with opening the site up to the community, the
source to the product that drives most of the functionality
of the site is available for download.  Patches/comments
welcome ;-)

Adam
--
"There's never enough time to do        |    M. Adam Kendall
 all the nothing you want."             |    mak@kha0s.org
 -Bill Watterson (Calvin and Hobbes)    |    http://www.zopelabs.com



From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 24 06:24:43 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:24:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] not showing any views...
References: <00d201c0e40a$25662170$4500a8c0@snowville>
Message-ID: <3B0C9B1B.A811E2FD@digicool.com>

Try a different version of IE or try Netscape.  Read the QuickStart
page.

> Aaron Mayerson wrote:
> 
>     When I try logging into http://url:8080/manage it shows the view
> of index_html in the main frame instead of the management area.  If I
> try clicking on any other folders, besides Quickstart and
> Control_Panel, nothing happens--the view of index_html just remains in
> the main frame.
>     I have tried logging out and logging back in with every user, but
> I get the same result.  I've also tried stopping and restarting the
> zope server.
>     Any ideas why this is happening, or how I can correct it?
> 
>     Thanks


From mj@digicool.com  Thu May 24 07:27:44 2001
From: mj@digicool.com (Martijn Pieters)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:27:44 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B32D@desi2>; from sean.upton@uniontrib.com on Tue, May 22, 2001 at 01:14:30PM -0700
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B32D@desi2>
Message-ID: <20010524082744.A15447@zopatista.com>

On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 01:14:30PM -0700, sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> I think this has been tried with Zope studio, which was abandoned.  I am
> going to guess that this was too complicated.

No, Mozilla just wasn't ready yet. It may be now, and PyXPCOM will help a
lot here.

-- 
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| Software Engineer  mailto:mj@digicool.com
| Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com/
| Creators of Zope   http://www.zope.org/
---------------------------------------------


From kentsin@yahoo.com  Thu May 24 07:34:07 2001
From: kentsin@yahoo.com (kent sin)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:34:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Sock error on windows 2000
In-Reply-To: <D06271D708D0D2118F7D0008C71E399D03A15D0F@exchange.trasys.be>
Message-ID: <20010524063407.70990.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com>

I have upgrade to RDFSummary this morning, however,
even i enter the correct proxy server, it still have
the same problem.

And I have another problem, my network administrator
told me that my zope is still trying to connect to the
outside world, but I have deleted the RDFSummary
object after his first warning. Did RDFSummary still
try to retrieve the url after the original object have
been removed?

Rgs,

Kent Sin

--- Bocquillon  Philippe
<Philippe.Bocquillon@trasys.be> wrote:
> If "RSS summary" you are refering to is the Zope
> module RDFSummary, then see
> the new version of it (1.3) which solves the winsock
> error problem, at least
> on Windows NT. It was a problem linked to the
> presence of a proxy server.
> 
> Philippe Bocquillon
> European Organisation Projects
> Trasys
> 7 av. Ariane
> 1200 Bruxelles
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kent sin [mailto:kentsin@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: mercredi 23 mai 2001 2:44
> > To: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: [Zope] Sock error on windows 2000
> > 
> > 
> > I encounted this error 
> > 
> > Error Message: [Errno socket error] (10061,
> 'winsock
> > error') 
> > 
> > The document library, RSS summary and others.
> > 
> > I think it is related to windows 2000 or the ms
> proxy
> > server which is sitting between the internet and
> our
> > office network. 
> > 
> > When using resources inside the office network,
> the
> > document library is ok even with our company web
> pages
> > (intranet). 
> > 
> > Is this a known python error? I am running the
> python
> > 1.52 bundle with zope 2.32b2.
> > 
> > Rgs,
> > 
> > Kent Sin
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great
> prices
> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists - 
> > 
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> > 


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From mj@digicool.com  Thu May 24 07:35:46 2001
From: mj@digicool.com (Martijn Pieters)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:35:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zopelogo nerves
In-Reply-To: <3B0A8658.B1A4040C@easyleading.org>; from 320011178755-0001@t-online.de on Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:31:36PM +0200
References: <3B0A8658.B1A4040C@easyleading.org>
Message-ID: <20010524083546.B15447@zopatista.com>

On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:31:36PM +0200, Andreas Heckel wrote:
> I don't want to initiate a Browser compatibility flame war.
> But is it necessity to bother all zope.org visitors with that 
> zopelogo.png ? Please have a look at your User Agent statistic.
> There are many users who are using Netscape 4.x. This browser is
> unable to render transparent png images in proper style. 

At first, the logo wasn't transparent when Ethan put it up, which looked
bone ugly on my display. I then added transparency, but was silly enough
not to test that on Netscape 4.x..

When I did later on, I saw that Netscape 4.x mangles the transparency, and
I replaced it with a transparent GIF (using a licensed tool, bloody
patents).

So, I never ment to upset the Netscape 4.x users of our site, mea culpa!

-- 
Martijn Pieters
| Software Engineer  mailto:mj@digicool.com
| Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com/
| Creators of Zope   http://www.zope.org/
---------------------------------------------


From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Thu May 24 08:42:08 2001
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (Dario Lopez-Kästen)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:42:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] RE: Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <B731E35E.8774%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <012c01c0e425$09dc4f90$2235b5d4@DLKHOME>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony McDonald" <tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>


> On 22/5/01 10:13 pm, "Simon Coles" <simon@nipltd.com> wrote:
>
> > Regarding Mac support for wxWindows, this is a concern for me as NIP's
> > token Mac user (and hence the other NIP'ers working on this - Chris and
> > Andy) :-).
> >
>
> There's some newish work done with wxPython under MacOS X - could be a
good
> start.
>

I would like to point out that the amount of people that will continue to
use Mac OS 8.0 - 9.x after MacOS will not be unsignificant, so the  need for
pre-OSX-support is going to be an issue in the future.

My 2 öre.

/dario

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From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Thu May 24 08:45:05 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:45:05 +0800
Subject: [Zope] data.fs packing
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMEEBEEDAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

How do I pack the Data.fs while ZEO is running? I can't seem to pack it. It
just *tries* to pack it but nothing happens. Even if I use top no process is
made.

Is there a way that I can pack the Data.fs even without logging into the
management screen? Like doing it in the console?

Thanks all.

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

Summit Interactive, Inc.
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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Thu May 24 09:28:00 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:28:00 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <m07kz7wr9j.fsf@dclxvi.foobar.not>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105241222410.14013-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On 23 May 2001, Karl Anderson wrote:
> Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> writes:
>
> >    I, personnaly, just hate web-based collaboration. Cameron Laird and few
> > other people suggested me to try ZWiki. I tried. Now I hate web
> > collaboration even more :)
> >
> >    Let me count pros and cons of web-based collaboration against e-mail:
> >
> > 1. Web is "pull technology". You need to download the entire page. How many
> > times do I need to read and reread messages on
> > http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting - just to
> > see noone added new comment? Isn't it just a waste of traffic?
>
> I use NetMind's URL-Minder to tell me when the wikis I need to be on

   Will NetMind send me false alarm when the design (not content) of the
page changed? For example, if time stamped on the page - will NetMind send
me notifications?

> top of are updated.  I watch RecentChanges when I care about the
> whole wiki, individual pages otherwise.

   Where is RecentChanges on the page
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting
   ?

> > 2. Editing text is certainly weak point of the web. It is plainly nightmare
> > to edit text in those small <textarea>s that loose all decent editing
> > features. With e-mail, I can use whatever editor I prefer.
>
> There's no reason to edit in the web browser if you don't want to.
> With FTP, you can use whatever editor you prefer.

   I didn't tried it, but is dev.zope.org FTPable?

Oleg.
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           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Thu May 24 10:11:20 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:11:20 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope][Long] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <3B0A2592.946E4B9D@nipltd.com><vg8zjp8n67.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de> <3B0B8EA5.26AA66DF@nipltd.com> <018301c0e373$95f96e70$5c773fc1@media1> <990641803.9522.3.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <036601c0e431$80412fa0$5c773fc1@media1>

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Bill,

OK, everybody calm down.

The 'client' as I mentioned is not a full blown, singing and dancing bear
fighting sort of thing.

It's purely a proof of concept.

It connects, it sends messages, it receives messages, and the best bit is
that it can send and receive binary files.  All this is being done in a very
haphazard, 'refresh the screen to see your new messages' sort of way.  Just
a small Python script.

I'll do some tidy up this weekend and release the code to my Zope.org
members area early next week.

That said, I would love some collaboration on this project.  I would love to
spend more time on this, but my very young family has to come first.  I'ts
probably going to be quite slow work for me, so any help would be f'in
marvellous.

The Jabber Server I have running though is open and available to anyone that
is interested in this sort of thing.

It is on www.zope.co.uk:5222, it has the WCS extensions and the HTTP
extensions built as well.  It hasn't got a lot of the extra transports like
ICQ, IRC, Conference etc..  But it works as a plain Jabber Server.

I suppose I'd better describe the WCS and HTTP extensions.

The WCS stuff allows connections through XML-RPC which considering that
Jabber is a permanent connection based protocol, is no mean feat when it
comes to maointaining presence.  There are some docs available but the
location of them eludes me at present.

The HTTP stuff allows connection via a URL, which could mean creating a
Javascript/DHTML based client, there are some examples which I'll get up
somewhere as well.

You can also connect of course in the traditional Jabber way, using the
Python stuff on download.jabber.org.

It would be interesting to see some Zope and Jabber integration work being
done (apart from myself, of course), so feel free to use this server
whenever you please.  But remember this is a dev machine and it could
disappear at any moment.

As a kick start to other people, I've attached a very small script which
shows how to connect via xml-rpc and how to send messages etc.

This script is a bit flakey since the sessionid is cached on the server side
for about three minutes, so if your having trouble it means that it can't
connect because your sessionid is incorrect. You'll just have to wait, or
rewrite the script so that it works correctly ;)

The user and password in that script are real users, but they are test
users, feel free to use that one in the short term, but it will probably
disappear quite shortly so it is probably better that you create your own
user.

Anyway, let's get playing and have fun!

See ya

Phil
phil.harris@zope.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Anderson" <bill@libc.org>
To: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


> On 23 May 2001 11:31:53 +0100, Phil Harris wrote:
> > Most of what Groove does could be done with Jabber and Zope imo.
> >
> > Which just happens to be something I'm working on in my spare time.
> >
> > Already got Zope acting as a Jabber client, both natively and via
xml-rpc.
> >
> > If anyone else is interested in this then I've got a jabber server
working
> > 24/7 which has the xml-rpc and web bits bolted on.  Let me know if you
want
> > access.
>
> OOH! OOH! (waves arms and hands back and forth wildly)
>
> can I see da code?
>
> I've been contemplating this for a project at work, but haven't had the
> spare time to proof-of-concept it yet.
>
> Bill Anderson
>

------=_NextPart_000_0363_01C0E439.E118C6A0
Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
	name="test.py"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: attachment;
	filename="test.py"

import xmlrpclib, base64

s=3Dxmlrpclib.Server('http://www.zope.co.uk:5280/RPC/Client')
#print s.jabber.register('wcstest@www.zope.co.uk','wcstest')
sid=3Ds.jabber.login('wcstest@www.zope.co.uk/python','wcstest')
#sid=3D'5c50ea8534a714f7ed83a6e80ce6bd27e54d635f@8236430'
print sid
f=3Dopen('c:/ppoint/caveman.jpg','rb')
j=3Df.read()
f.close()
j=3Dbase64.encodestring(j)
s.jabber.sendMessage(sid,{'class':'message','to':'phil.harris@www.zope.co=
.uk','from':'wcstest@www.zope.co.uk/python','subject':'test','body':j,'th=
read':'01'})

------=_NextPart_000_0363_01C0E439.E118C6A0--



From tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com  Thu May 24 10:42:07 2001
From: tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:42:07 +0100
Subject: [Zope] URLs in Z2.log
Message-ID: <2alpgtct8in8si6bdrp2e7jp5g2p5m2vql@4ax.com>

Zope's log file currently records the URL as sent by the http client
in its http access log. In the case of an FTP request it logs an
equivalent URL, synthesized by ZServer.

I am beginning to believe that this is subtly wrong......

What it really needs to log is the URL of the published method. This
makes a difference in only a few situations:

1. In a POST request, if the body contains a :method parameter.

2. In an xmlrpc request, which is also POST, where the message
   method name is contained in the method body, and
   possibly sub-object names to.

Should ZServer be changed so that it logs a longer, more accurate,
synthesized URL for these POST requests, much like it does for FTP?

Toby Dickenson
tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com


From seb@jamkit.com  Thu May 24 11:24:00 2001
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:24:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope] URLs in Z2.log
In-Reply-To: <2alpgtct8in8si6bdrp2e7jp5g2p5m2vql@4ax.com>; from tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk on Thu, May 24, 2001 at 10:42:07AM +0100
References: <2alpgtct8in8si6bdrp2e7jp5g2p5m2vql@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <20010524112359.A20950@lenin.jamkit.com>

* Toby Dickenson <tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk> [010524 10:47]:
> Zope's log file currently records the URL as sent by the http client
> in its http access log. In the case of an FTP request it logs an
> equivalent URL, synthesized by ZServer.
> 
> I am beginning to believe that this is subtly wrong......
<snip>

> Should ZServer be changed so that it logs a longer, more accurate,
> synthesized URL for these POST requests, much like it does for FTP?

Well, I just hacked it to log Host name and specified Cookies.
Everyone's got different requirements, so what would be really nice is
a proper, user configurable log format like mod_log_config in apache
or more other servers.  If anyone has the time to do it...

seb


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 24 10:51:41 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:51:41 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Passing namespace from DTML to Python Script
Message-ID: <3B0CD9AD.625ED61A@nipltd.com>

Hi,

I want to call a python script from DTML and pass the namespace, the trouble is,
the PS needs to be called from a python expression in DTML.

So, taking the simple DTML method:
<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-let test_thang="'Test Thang'">
<dtml-var "test_ps" html_quote>
</dtml-let>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>

...and a simple python script (with namespace bound to _):
return _['test_thang']

..which of coruse, doesn't work, it gives me:
<PythonScript instance at 01B17ED0> 

..so change <dtml-var "test_ps" html_quote> to <dtml-var "test_ps()" html_quote>
and now I get:
Error type: KeyError
Error value: test_thang 

...fair enough thinks me, I need to do the old dtml trick and so change to:
<dtml-var "test_ps(_.None,_)" html_quote>
...and now I get:
Error type: TypeError
Error value: no arguments expected 

...OK, irritating, but lets try changing the parameter list to 'context, _':
Finally I get what I want:
Test Thang 

However, now I want to call it somewhere else as just <dtml-var test_ps>, I get:
Error type: TypeError
Error value: not enough arguments; expected 2, got 0 

...at this point my head exploded and I thought I'd mail the list. Can anyone
explain how Ishould eb doing this?

cheers,

Chris


From d.legg@ncl.ac.uk  Thu May 24 11:04:57 2001
From: d.legg@ncl.ac.uk (David Legg)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:04:57 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope and Dreamweaver WebDAV
Message-ID: <006701c0e438$fcdfc9c0$1ec6f080@ncl.ac.uk>

Hi,

I can access a Zope site through Dreamweaver WebDAV, but opening Zope
documents presents a problem as they do not have a conventional file
extension - .html, .js etc. I can vaguely remember a work around for this,
but I had no use for it at the time. Anybody using Dreamweaver WebDAV and
Zope at the moment have any ideas and any further tips? I have the
Dreamweaver WebDAV patch downloaded from the Macromedia website.

Thanks in advance

David Legg




From bz@bwanazulia.com  Thu May 24 11:17:02 2001
From: bz@bwanazulia.com (BZ)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 06:17:02 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Some advice on "best" practice?
In-Reply-To: <3B0CF7C0.12588.58B3ECF@localhost>
References: <3B0CF7C0.12588.58B3ECF@localhost>
Message-ID: <p05100c07b73290050519@[10.0.1.42]>

At 12:00 PM +1200 5/24/01, Arian de Wit wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Perhaps these newbie questions are a bit stupid, but here goes:
>
>1) What's the best way to analyse the Z2 web logs? Do they
>conform to some standard web log format?
>

Yes. Analog (http://www.analog.cx)

BZ


From joe@iuveno-net.de  Thu May 24 11:30:43 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:30:43 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest
References: <222370000.990656109@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <004101c0e43c$968149c0$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

Hi Ethan!

Blame me for not having contributed to the fishbowl proposal so far. We have
a more-or-less complete concept for zope.org or eurozope.org next generation
on paper (yes, on paper, not as files ...)) and no time to feed it into the
design process. I promise to give our input ASAP ...

> Though i am no expert, I have read Designing Web Usability and Don't Make
> Me Think and it has informed the site design I am proposing.

I just want to emphasize the "usability" thing again, using an example:

If you currently go to the site and want to download a product, it's hard to
get the right thing quickly. What we have in mind:

- there should be a combined software download/project home section like in
sourceforge, with dedicated portals for each new project
- there should be different "views" onto that, so that I can see only
products that work for Zope 2.3.x, or all devel projects I am member of etc.
- comments about products, bugfixes, bug tracking etc. should all be
centralized at the project home; right now most of the how-tos, comments,
and hints go to the zope.org mailing list, bugfixes (if you are lucky) go to
the maintainer who may or may not post them ... very chaotic

Cheers

Joachim



From EllisN@fnb.co.uk  Thu May 24 12:11:21 2001
From: EllisN@fnb.co.uk (Ellis, Neil (FNB))
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:11:21 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Categorizing products.
Message-ID: <F90E27F67A46D2119AC700A0C96CC516018DE576@FNGEXC03>

Hi Folks

I'm new to Zope so please excuse me if I get this wrong.

There seems to be an ever increasing variety of products for Zope.  Looking
at things from a commercial perspective it would be nice to be able to
seperate the 'quality' ready-to-use products from those who are evolving or
are half-complete.

I just wanted to suggest a simple system of certifying products as 'Customer
Ready Products' ie those that are in such a state (ie containing good help
system, examples etc) that they could be sold as of the shelf products. **
Just to clarify: I said 'in such a state', rather than suggesting tehy
should be sold :-) **

I know that Open Source is seen often as the opposite of the commercial
world but I think there is great value in taking the best of the commercial
world and applying it to Open Source.

Such a simple certification could be carried out by either volunteers or DC.
It could be charged for if neccesary.  The benefits would be that a third
party could claim to use 'Certified' products when building an application.

Anyway I'd like to here any thoughts on this as I, like many would like to
see Zope gain more and more recognition as a serious solution for web
development.

Many regards
Neil Ellis


Java Developer
First National Bank
020 8909 4834



From andres@corrada.com  Thu May 24 12:13:17 2001
From: andres@corrada.com (andres@corrada.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:13:17 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Passing namespace from DTML to Python Script
In-Reply-To: <3B0CD9AD.625ED61A@nipltd.com>; from Chris Withers on Thu, May 24, 2001 at 10:51:41AM +0100
References: <3B0CD9AD.625ED61A@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <20010524071317.A1244@corrada.com>

Hi Chris

My initial guess would have been to try:

return context._['test_thang']

I thought context gave you access to the namespace. Am I wrong?

On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 10:51:41AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to call a python script from DTML and pass the namespace, the trouble is,
> the PS needs to be called from a python expression in DTML.
> 
> So, taking the simple DTML method:
> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> <dtml-let test_thang="'Test Thang'">
> <dtml-var "test_ps" html_quote>
> </dtml-let>
> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
> 
> ...and a simple python script (with namespace bound to _):
> return _['test_thang']
> 
> ..which of coruse, doesn't work, it gives me:
> <PythonScript instance at 01B17ED0> 
> 
> ..so change <dtml-var "test_ps" html_quote> to <dtml-var "test_ps()" html_quote>
> and now I get:
> Error type: KeyError
> Error value: test_thang 
> 
> ...fair enough thinks me, I need to do the old dtml trick and so change to:
> <dtml-var "test_ps(_.None,_)" html_quote>
> ...and now I get:
> Error type: TypeError
> Error value: no arguments expected 
> 
> ...OK, irritating, but lets try changing the parameter list to 'context, _':
> Finally I get what I want:
> Test Thang 
> 
> However, now I want to call it somewhere else as just <dtml-var test_ps>, I get:
> Error type: TypeError
> Error value: not enough arguments; expected 2, got 0 
> 
> ...at this point my head exploded and I thought I'd mail the list. Can anyone
> explain how Ishould eb doing this?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------
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Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
------------------------------------------------------


From gerrie@trispen.com  Thu May 24 12:56:19 2001
From: gerrie@trispen.com (Gerrie Roos)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:56:19 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope logs
Message-ID: <3B0CF6E3.6FB3BD9@trispen.com>

I'm trying to gleen the reason for a sudden disappearance of my Zope
process, the first Zope crash I've encountered.  I've not run Zope with
any special options, haven't specified log files and not altered the
debugging level, just the vanilla start script (zope 2.3.0).  The only
log info I could find was in zope/etc/Z2.log.  It only contained
connection-related entries, no errors.

I also noticed some peculiar last entries. Here's one:

196.7.146.145: - - [24/May/2001:12:57:18 +0200] "GET
/TrispenDB/version_control/Bugs/Interface/Manage/showBug?prID=423
HTTP/1.1" 200 5359
"http://oskar:8080/TrispenDB/version_control/Bugs/Interface/Browse"
"Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT; TUCOWS)"

This request is not in accord with my zope directory structure.  The
request should have referred to
TrispenDB/Bugs/Interface/Manage/show....blah...blah...
since Bugs and version_control are on the same level.

I suppose it is possible to fabricate scenarios under which this
improper request could have ocurred...but why did Zope die just right
after?  How/where can I look for more information?



From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 24 13:11:00 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:11:00 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105241222410.14013-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <3B0CFA54.990FCB73@digicool.com>

Oleg Broytmann wrote:
>    Where is RecentChanges on the page
> http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting/RecentChanges

RecentChanges is a page in every ZWiki, even if it's not linked.  It's
pretty annoying that it's not more prominent on a lot of Wikis.

> > There's no reason to edit in the web browser if you don't want to.
> > With FTP, you can use whatever editor you prefer.
> 
>    I didn't tried it, but is dev.zope.org FTPable?

Yes, AFAIK... dev.zope.org and www.zope.org are actually the same box.

- C


From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 24 13:15:14 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:15:14 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Categorizing products.
References: <F90E27F67A46D2119AC700A0C96CC516018DE576@FNGEXC03>
Message-ID: <3B0CFB52.B3AE2D8D@digicool.com>

Hi Neil,

This is the impetus being this proposal:

http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/FinishedProductGuidelines

Zope.org is currently undergoing a redesign, and we hope to be able to
better feature Products that are "finished" when it's done.

- C


"Ellis, Neil (FNB)" wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks
> 
> I'm new to Zope so please excuse me if I get this wrong.
> 
> There seems to be an ever increasing variety of products for Zope.  Looking
> at things from a commercial perspective it would be nice to be able to
> seperate the 'quality' ready-to-use products from those who are evolving or
> are half-complete.
> 
> I just wanted to suggest a simple system of certifying products as 'Customer
> Ready Products' ie those that are in such a state (ie containing good help
> system, examples etc) that they could be sold as of the shelf products. **
> Just to clarify: I said 'in such a state', rather than suggesting tehy
> should be sold :-) **
> 
> I know that Open Source is seen often as the opposite of the commercial
> world but I think there is great value in taking the best of the commercial
> world and applying it to Open Source.
> 
> Such a simple certification could be carried out by either volunteers or DC.
> It could be charged for if neccesary.  The benefits would be that a third
> party could claim to use 'Certified' products when building an application.
> 
> Anyway I'd like to here any thoughts on this as I, like many would like to
> see Zope gain more and more recognition as a serious solution for web
> development.
> 
> Many regards
> Neil Ellis
> 
> Java Developer
> First National Bank
> 020 8909 4834
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From gilles.lavaux@esrin.esa.it  Thu May 24 13:23:02 2001
From: gilles.lavaux@esrin.esa.it (Gilles Lavaux)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:23:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope logs
Message-ID: <000e01c0e44c$4afb3b40$fce3ccc1@asgard.esrin.esa.it>

Hello,

I have the same thing.
AFAIK the log file is updated when the request is completed, so if one
request make your server die, you will probably have no trace in the log.
The log file is also not flushed on every write.

Gilles
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerrie Roos <gerrie@trispen.com>
To: zope@zope.org <zope@zope.org>
Date: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:46 PM
Subject: [Zope] Zope logs


>I'm trying to gleen the reason for a sudden disappearance of my Zope
>process, the first Zope crash I've encountered.  I've not run Zope with
>any special options, haven't specified log files and not altered the
>debugging level, just the vanilla start script (zope 2.3.0).  The only
>log info I could find was in zope/etc/Z2.log.  It only contained
>connection-related entries, no errors.
>
>I also noticed some peculiar last entries. Here's one:
>
>196.7.146.145: - - [24/May/2001:12:57:18 +0200] "GET
>/TrispenDB/version_control/Bugs/Interface/Manage/showBug?prID=423
>HTTP/1.1" 200 5359
>"http://oskar:8080/TrispenDB/version_control/Bugs/Interface/Browse"
>"Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT; TUCOWS)"
>
>This request is not in accord with my zope directory structure.  The
>request should have referred to
>TrispenDB/Bugs/Interface/Manage/show....blah...blah...
>since Bugs and version_control are on the same level.
>
>I suppose it is possible to fabricate scenarios under which this
>improper request could have ocurred...but why did Zope die just right
>after?  How/where can I look for more information?
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>**   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>(Related lists -
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From Larry_Prikockis@ABI.org  Thu May 24 13:36:54 2001
From: Larry_Prikockis@ABI.org (Larry Prikockis)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:36:54 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope and Dreamweaver WebDAV
Message-ID: <FBFF1B75591DDA4DA495C4D570EF008E072419@mangrove.abi.org>

Hi David...
  very simple- in the directory where Dreamweaver is installed, under the
"configuration" subdirectory, there's a file called "extensions.txt". 
Open this file in your favorite text editor and add "DTML" to the list of
recognized extensions.  

if I remember correctly, there's actually a lot of good information to be
gleaned by reading thru some of the text files in the Dreamweaver config.
directory.

have fun!
Larry Prikockis


-----Original Message-----
From: David Legg [mailto:d.legg@ncl.ac.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:05 AM
To: Zope List
Subject: [Zope] Zope and Dreamweaver WebDAV


Hi,

I can access a Zope site through Dreamweaver WebDAV, but opening Zope
documents presents a problem as they do not have a conventional file
extension - .html, .js etc. I can vaguely remember a work around for this,
but I had no use for it at the time. Anybody using Dreamweaver WebDAV and
Zope at the moment have any ideas and any further tips? I have the
Dreamweaver WebDAV patch downloaded from the Macromedia website.

Thanks in advance

David Legg



_______________________________________________
Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
**   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
(Related lists - 
 http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
 http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 24 13:38:46 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:38:46 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope logs
References: <3B0CF6E3.6FB3BD9@trispen.com>
Message-ID: <3B0D00D6.3C7BC20B@digicool.com>

Hi Gerrie,

I would recommend upgrading to Zope 2.3.2.  2.3.0 had a PythonScript bug
that could cause Zope to crash under certain circumstances.

Gerrie Roos wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to gleen the reason for a sudden disappearance of my Zope
> process, the first Zope crash I've encountered.  I've not run Zope with
> any special options, haven't specified log files and not altered the
> debugging level, just the vanilla start script (zope 2.3.0).  The only
> log info I could find was in zope/etc/Z2.log.  It only contained
> connection-related entries, no errors.
> 
> I also noticed some peculiar last entries. Here's one:
> 
> 196.7.146.145: - - [24/May/2001:12:57:18 +0200] "GET
> /TrispenDB/version_control/Bugs/Interface/Manage/showBug?prID=423
> HTTP/1.1" 200 5359
> "http://oskar:8080/TrispenDB/version_control/Bugs/Interface/Browse"
> "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT; TUCOWS)"
> 
> This request is not in accord with my zope directory structure.  The
> request should have referred to
> TrispenDB/Bugs/Interface/Manage/show....blah...blah...
> since Bugs and version_control are on the same level.
> 
> I suppose it is possible to fabricate scenarios under which this
> improper request could have ocurred...but why did Zope die just right
> after?  How/where can I look for more information?
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu  Thu May 24 13:56:59 2001
From: aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu (albert boulanger)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:56:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] The events based programming model for Zope ?
In-Reply-To: <01052412051800.11873@antares> (message from John Morton on Thu,
 24 May 2001 12:05:18 +1200)
Message-ID: <200105241256.IAA02032@ox.ldgo.columbia.edu>

   These guys have done something along the lines of building web apps along an
   event model:

   http://openthought.net/

   It looks as though the communications components could be integrated with Zope
   to do the same thing; it's probably just a matter of using the ParsedXML 
   product, as well.

   John.

That triggered a thought about something I wanted for a long time -- a language
that makes client side and server side seamless like what curl does:

http://www.curl.com/html/about/overview.jsp

Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@vpatch.com



From rpinder@usc.edu  Thu May 24 14:10:29 2001
From: rpinder@usc.edu (Rich Pinder)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 06:10:29 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope & the Zoo - newbie problems...
Message-ID: <3B0D0844.E1010954@usc.edu>

On page 67 of 'the Zope book'  (the user guide on the zope documentation
site)
it discusses some really basic setup's for this sample site they call
the Zope
Zoo.

Pretty simple - create a project directory (zopezoo), set up three
subfolders
under it, and create a method (called  navigation  ) that iterates over
the
directories, listing them out - here's the method:

<ul>
<dtml-in expr="objectValues('Folder')">
<li><a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"><dtml-var title_or_id></a><br></li>
</dtml-in>
</ul>

I entered this in, and view the method, and it works fine.


But then, when viewing the   standard_html_header   that calls the
method I get
the standard error 'KeyError'
Here's the text of the standard_html_header:

<head><title><dtml-var title></title></head>
<body>
<dtml-var navigation>

Anything strike you as wrong with this?

I'm using the 2.3.1 version on windows (for now), and Mozilla.  Has
anyone heard of a test
site that can be imported to check whether or not the install is working

properly ?

signed:

rich





From Simon.Blandford@bss.co.uk  Thu May 24 14:11:37 2001
From: Simon.Blandford@bss.co.uk (Blandford, Simon [BSS Audio UK])
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:11:37 +0100
Subject: [Zope] DTML and Python aren't talking
Message-ID: <8B639EA607AFD311901D000629387063017F844B@SCFTUKX1>

I am trying to add functionality to the LibraryDocument product.

I want to call a method I have added in the main Document.py file.

If I use something like

<a class="title" href="&dtml-getURL;/my_new_method" target="_blank"
><dtml-var name="title" null="(No Title)"></a>

This sends the URL of a file to the method, which the method does nothing
with. Right now it just says "hello".

It displays the return string of the method in a new page as expected.
However, if I try to call it using something like

<dtml-var expr="my_new_method()">

then I just get an error.

Error Type: NameError
Error Value: my_new_method


For anyone who knows the DocumentLibrary product, the DTML file is
document_list_item and the python file is Document.py. The class I have
added the method to is called Document.

Regards,
Simon B.


From sturm@oliver-sturm.de  Thu May 24 14:13:17 2001
From: sturm@oliver-sturm.de (Oliver Sturm)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:13:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Getting the day from a Timestamp / gvibda (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <3B0B7F5B.4496.3D675405@localhost>
Message-ID: <120630000.990709997@lost2>

On 23.05.2001 09:29:43 -0400 Brad Clements <bkc@murkworks.com> wrote:

>> I have it now. I tried the very same thing with an external method and
>> suddenly it works. Seems like there's no access to the tuple() method as
>> long as Zope's in the way... I'd still be interested if there's a way to
>> get around this limitation. Thanks again, Brad!
> 
> Yes, two ways to fix this. Modify the gvib DA to participate in product
> roles, or hack with    
> 
>  __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__=1

Wow. Isn't that a rather complicated way to do Something Real Simple(tm)?
Thanks very much, I don't think I could have guessed that :-)


Oliver Sturm / <sturm@oliver-sturm.de>

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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Thu May 24 14:17:10 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:17:10 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <3B0CFA54.990FCB73@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105241714280.10192-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Chris McDonough wrote:
> >    Where is RecentChanges on the page
> > http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting
>
> http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ExtendedDTMLSorting/RecentChanges
>
> RecentChanges is a page in every ZWiki, even if it's not linked.  It's

   Ok, thanks.

> pretty annoying that it's not more prominent on a lot of Wikis.

   Sure.

> > > There's no reason to edit in the web browser if you don't want to.
> > > With FTP, you can use whatever editor you prefer.
> >
> >    I didn't tried it, but is dev.zope.org FTPable?
>
> Yes, AFAIK...

   Nice. So, after all, wikies are not completely braindamaging, just not
enough mature yet. Eagerly waiting... :)

> dev.zope.org and www.zope.org are actually the same box.

   I guessed this, as I can reach Members directory from dev.zope.org.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 24 14:30:11 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:30:11 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Passing namespace from DTML to Python Script
References: <3B0CD9AD.625ED61A@nipltd.com> <20010524071317.A1244@corrada.com>
Message-ID: <3B0D0CE3.C36D9DE4@nipltd.com>

andres@corrada.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris
> 
> My initial guess would have been to try:
> 
> return context._['test_thang']

Sorry, but I think you are...

cheers,

Chris


From aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu  Thu May 24 14:39:41 2001
From: aboulang@ldeo.columbia.edu (albert boulanger)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:39:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Categorizing products.
In-Reply-To: <3B0CFB52.B3AE2D8D@digicool.com> (message from Chris McDonough on
 Thu, 24 May 2001 08:15:14 -0400)
Message-ID: <200105241339.JAA02093@ox.ldgo.columbia.edu>


   Hi Neil,

   This is the impetus being this proposal:

   http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/FinishedProductGuidelines

   Zope.org is currently undergoing a redesign, and we hope to be able to
   better feature Products that are "finished" when it's done.

Also I think it would be good to have a best-practice section for much
the same reasons as the orginal poster. This would be a step beyond
the how-to's, perhaps with heavy contribution based on DC consulting
experience

Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@vpatch.com


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 24 14:46:20 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:46:20 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Boa Constructor
References: <200105231131.AA734265668@tacomaplace.com>
Message-ID: <3B0D10AC.E57A6F9@nipltd.com>

jimbo wrote:
> 
> it already has some support for zope. The project is still moving forward.  The zope support needs some more documentation.

Does Boa Consutructor interact with Zope in any way otehr than FTP?

cheers,

Chris


From evan@4-am.com  Thu May 24 15:03:59 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:03:59 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Passing namespace from DTML to Python Script
References: <3B0CD9AD.625ED61A@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c0e45a$61366c00$0c17a8c0@yosemite>

From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> I want to call a python script from DTML and pass the namespace, the
trouble is,
> the PS needs to be called from a python expression in DTML.
>
> So, taking the simple DTML method:
> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> <dtml-let test_thang="'Test Thang'">
> <dtml-var "test_ps" html_quote>

Why the quotes around test_ps?

> </dtml-let>
> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
>
> ...and a simple python script (with namespace bound to _):
> return _['test_thang']
>
> ..which of coruse, doesn't work, it gives me:
> <PythonScript instance at 01B17ED0>

This should work if you just use <dtml-var test_ps html_quote>.

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool




From afterz@zipmail.com  Thu May 24 14:57:34 2001
From: afterz@zipmail.com (After Dark)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:57:34 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZClass error!
Message-ID: <web-4653183@zipmail.com>

Hi, I am having problems with ZClass.

I`m creating a ZClass with base class OFS:File, but when I
add an object of my new type it doesn`t work like it should.

I can add a new object like an usual file, but when I want
to view it, just show the path of the file, not data of the
file.

Is it a bug? Or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks.

--
--Ricardo Kohler
          Costa
________________________________________________
Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/



From alet@unice.fr  Thu May 24 15:06:47 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:06:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre3
Message-ID: <20010524160647.A663@nordine.ateur>

Hi,

I'm pleased to announce the availability of ZShell 1.0pre3.

ZShell is an external Zope method which allows you to
manipulate the ZODB using standard unix shell's commands
from within Zope's Management Interface in your web
browser.

ZShell is licensed under the GNU General Public Licence, with 
some clarifications of my own concerning it's use with Zope.

You can download it from:

        http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

New features are:
=================

	* view, manage and properties now work fine.
	* Modification time format in ls output is shorter.
	* The dump command works.
	* wget now handles local files and directories correctly.
	* suckfs will never exist because wget now can do that, and more...
	* Added some urls to the GNU GPL FAQ, backing my position.
	* DocStrings fixes.

Apart from the fixes, the most interesting things in this version are:

	* you can now suck files or directories (not recursively yet) 
	  from the server's filesystem into the ZODB, using wget.

	* you can now dump objects' source to the server's filesystem
	  using the dump command. However only objects which have a
	  callable document_src attribute are dumpable, yet. This 
	  means, essentially: DTML Methods, DTML Documents, Python Scripts.

Thanks to all the people who helped to make this happen, especially
Jim Penny who gave the dump command idea, but I've just realised I've 
forgotten to put his name in the CREDITS file... (it's a TODO for 
the next version)

As usual, comments, patches, bug reports, etc... are welcome.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 24 15:10:12 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:10:12 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Passing namespace from DTML to Python Script
References: <3B0CD9AD.625ED61A@nipltd.com> <005c01c0e45a$61366c00$0c17a8c0@yosemite>
Message-ID: <3B0D1644.529C9BF5@nipltd.com>

Evan Simpson wrote:
> 
> From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> > I want to call a python script from DTML and pass the namespace, the
> trouble is,
> > the PS needs to be called from a python expression in DTML.
> >
> > So, taking the simple DTML method:
> > <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> > <dtml-let test_thang="'Test Thang'">
> > <dtml-var "test_ps" html_quote>
> 
> Why the quotes around test_ps?

Because this is a simplification that demonstrates the problem nicely ;-)

<dtml-var "('<TD BGCOLOR=%s>&nbsp;&nbsp;</TD>' %
bgcolor(???))*(nav_indent_level-1)">

...is the real thing, where bg color is the Python Script.

The workaround I have is:
<dtml-let bgcolor=bgcolor>
<dtml-var "('<TD BGCOLOR=%s>&nbsp;&nbsp;</TD>' % bgcolor)*(nav_indent_level-1)">
</dtml-let>

...which is kinda sucky :-S

How should I be calling a python script from a python expression in DTML and
passing the namesapce in the process?

cheers,

Chris


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Thu May 24 15:21:35 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:21:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope and Dreamweaver WebDAV
References: <006701c0e438$fcdfc9c0$1ec6f080@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <002d01c0e45c$d70929c0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

David

I have been using Dreamweaver FTP and Zope. Yes, The big problem is the lack
of suffix. This means you can not click files in the Dreamweaver Site
manager to load. But you _can_ drag Zope items onto the main Dreamweaver
window! This works in version 3 and 4. So it's pretty easy to change Zope
form styles or edit anything this way.

Using Dreamweaver with Zope makes one reconsider Zope object naming schemes.
If one is more systematic in zope adn/or use siffixes, it is much easier to
make Dreamweaver more responsive. However this does not apply to all the
builtin Zope code. It is a shame there is not a wildcard filename featre in
Dreamweaver which would allow special recognition within the Site Manager,
based on any input. For those whoh deevlop Dreamweaver Extensions, this is
probably not that complicated even.

I think nobody has really needed to - until Zope. And since so few Zopisti
are graphic design inclined, and since Zope workflow is still a raw and
undeveloped topic, this reamins sadly negelected. Stronger Dreamweaver Zope
features would make Zope a much easier 'sell' to potentital clients their
CTOs. Also a good way to make a wider audience aware of Zope.

I did not know about the WebDav extension. Thanks - I will try it.
Mostly I find WebDav rather slow. Maybe just my setup here [Win98se 500Mhz
192Mb].

Dreamweaver is a memory hog. But Version 4 is nice with Zope because of
various options for rendering pages, view HTML + source etc.. If only it
were really linked to Zope and could go 'fetch' DTML and Zope objects in a
timely manner. Still there is a lott of work one can do.

There is a Zope <dtml> tag extension for Dreamweaver. Works with 3 & 4.
Places a little DTML-START adn DTML-STOP gifs inline which you can access.
Somewhat useful dependnig on your style of use in Dreamweaver.
http://www.zope.org/Members/johanc/Dreamweaver3

Please let me know if you make progress with this

hth
./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Legg" <d.legg@ncl.ac.uk>
To: "Zope List" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:04 AM
Subject: [Zope] Zope and Dreamweaver WebDAV


> Hi,
>
> I can access a Zope site through Dreamweaver WebDAV, but opening Zope
> documents presents a problem as they do not have a conventional file
> extension - .html, .js etc. I can vaguely remember a work around for this,
> but I had no use for it at the time. Anybody using Dreamweaver WebDAV and
> Zope at the moment have any ideas and any further tips? I have the
> Dreamweaver WebDAV patch downloaded from the Macromedia website.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> David Legg




From evan@4-am.com  Thu May 24 15:52:00 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:52:00 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Passing namespace from DTML to Python Script
References: <3B0CD9AD.625ED61A@nipltd.com> <005c01c0e45a$61366c00$0c17a8c0@yosemite> <3B0D1644.529C9BF5@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <008101c0e461$164b05f0$0c17a8c0@yosemite>

From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> How should I be calling a python script from a python expression in DTML
and
> passing the namesapce in the process?

Ah, I see.  If you're binding the caller's namespace to "_", then you can
use "python_method(_=_)".  Normally the parameter list of a Script
determines its call signature; The single exception to the rule is this use
of the namespace binding as a keyword argument.

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool



From dan@control.com  Thu May 24 15:44:04 2001
From: dan@control.com (Dan L. Pierson)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:44:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <001201c0e39c$7a666c70$1a931340@NETKOOK>
Message-ID: <488180000.990715444@daystar.control.com>

IMHO, it does matter because there are (many) times when it is very useful
to us management and debugging tools on a production server.  One of the
real advantages of ZEO is that you can do almost anything of that nature
in a new ZEO client without disturbing the other clients.

--On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:23:47 AM -0400 Jeff Sasmor <jeff@janix.com> 
wrote:

> I'm not sure this matters when building a GUI, though.....
> Jeff
>
>>
>>
>> --On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:11:00 AM +0100 Chris Withers
>> <chrisw@nipltd.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Jeff Sasmor wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think a combo of wxDesigner and Wing would
>> >> be nice (and it's what I am planning to use
>> >> myself till something better comes along.)
>>
>> Unfortunately Wing doesn't work with ZEO because it has to force single
>> threading (or because
>> of how it forces it).  I filed a bug report on this back in March -- they
>> basically said
>> that they wanted to fix it but it was hard and they were hoping for help
>> from DC.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 24 15:53:17 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:53:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Passing namespace from DTML to Python Script
References: <3B0CD9AD.625ED61A@nipltd.com> <005c01c0e45a$61366c00$0c17a8c0@yosemite> <3B0D1644.529C9BF5@nipltd.com> <008101c0e461$164b05f0$0c17a8c0@yosemite>
Message-ID: <3B0D205D.17DE5C2@nipltd.com>

Evan Simpson wrote:
> 
> From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
> > How should I be calling a python script from a python expression in DTML
> and
> > passing the namesapce in the process?
> 
> Ah, I see.  If you're binding the caller's namespace to "_", then you can
> use "python_method(_=_)". 


Ahh, thankyou, thankyou :-))

Hmmm, this should be documented somewhere in big flashing lights for stupid
people like me...

...but, is it just me, or is the above not very intuitive?
python_method(_) would be more so, but I see the problems.

Hmmm, I suppose this is DTML though ;-)

cheers,

Chris


From ecolmar@qwest.net  Thu May 24 16:07:24 2001
From: ecolmar@qwest.net (ed colmar)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:07:24 -0600
Subject: [Zope] converting from XMLdocument to parsedXML
Message-ID: <006301c0e463$3dba7920$d1efe53f@coolant>

Hey Friends!

    I'm in the process of converting to parsedXML, and after browsing the
zope-xml archives, I'm still stumped...  Maybe it's too early in the morning
to think about this...  =)

   Can anyone that's using the parsedXML product, offer me a few hints?  I
don't think I'm too far off.

   Here's what I'm trying to achieve:

def update(self, client_url):
        """
        Fetch the content from a remote url and rebuild
        the client.
        """
        import urllib                                 # URL tools
        from Products.ParsedXML import ParsedXML, Printer, ExtraDOM, DOM
        import DateTime                               # date calculations

        globalURL=client_url
        # retreive XML file
        resourceURL=globalURL + "localResources.xml"
        f=urllib.urlopen(resourceURL)

        # parse RSS file to DOM using parsedXML
        d=ParsedXML.parseXML(f)

        # get node attributes
        c=d.getElementsByTagName('StarRaveData')[0]
        self.link=c.text_content('localSRSiteURL')
        srversion=c.text_content('CurrentSRVersion')

        # get djs
        djlist=d.getElementsByTagName('StarRaveDJ')

        for StarRaveDJ in djlist:
                # get information about the item
                djid=StarRaveDJ.text_content('SRDJID')
                djname=StarRaveDJ.text_content('SRDJName')
                city=StarRaveDJ.text_content('SRDJCity')
                state=StarRaveDJ.text_content('SRDJState')
                country=StarRaveDJ.text_content('SRDJCountry')

                # add the DJ
                self.addDj(djid, djname, city, state, country)

        return 1







From msg4bob@yahoo.com  Thu May 24 16:26:23 2001
From: msg4bob@yahoo.com (Bobby Mathew)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:56:23 +0530
Subject: [Zope] Accessing the subfolders in zope
Message-ID: <001201c0e465$e615ebc0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>

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Hi all
I need some advice as to how i access the subfolder of a folder. This is =
my code so far but i seem to be stuck.
any help appreciated.
I have a folder called eSessions and under which i have created another =
folder (say xyz) which i am passing as a parameter to this python =
script. My aim is to access that subfolder and add a property as shown =
below but i am confused how to access this xyz subfolder ??? The fname =
varialbe is passed with xyz in it as an argument.

container.fname.addProperty('memberid',1,int)          (this line gives =
me a problem)
print propertyItems
return printed


thanks
bobby

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shown=20
below but i am confused how to access this xyz subfolder ??? The fname =
varialbe=20
is passed with xyz in it as an argument.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>container.fname.addProperty('memberid',1,int)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
(this line gives me a problem)<BR>print propertyItems<BR>return=20
printed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>bobby</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0E493.FD937A00--



From mindlace@digicool.com  Thu May 24 16:21:40 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:21:40 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231218320.919-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <38620000.990717700@localhost.localdomain>

--On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:44:24 +0400 Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> 
wrote:

> 2. Editing text is certainly weak point of the web. It is plainly
> nightmare to edit text in those small <textarea>s that loose all decent
> editing features. With e-mail, I can use whatever editor I prefer.

you can edit any zwiki on zope.org with ftp. you can't yet create pages, 
but that looks fairly simple, so I'll get that done next week.

anyway, ftp.zope.org is the place.

--
ethan mindlace fremen
zopatista community liason


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Thu May 24 16:19:21 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:19:21 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <38620000.990717700@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105241919011.10192-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Thu, 24 May 2001, ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
> > 2. Editing text is certainly weak point of the web. It is plainly
> > nightmare to edit text in those small <textarea>s that loose all decent
> > editing features. With e-mail, I can use whatever editor I prefer.
>
> you can edit any zwiki on zope.org with ftp. you can't yet create pages,
> but that looks fairly simple, so I'll get that done next week.
>
> anyway, ftp.zope.org is the place.

   Thanks.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From bkc@murkworks.com  Thu May 24 16:41:45 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:41:45 -0400
Subject: [Zope] How to get raw upload data from POST?
Message-ID: <3B0CEFB1.3572.450FB4E@localhost>

I'm working to upload ADO recordsets in XML format.

I use the XMLHTTP object to POST raw <?xml> text as the "body" of the post.

Content-Type isn't set in the POST request.

I'm trying to figure out how to read() the body of the post. Seems the FieldStorage is 
doing something I can't figure out.

REQUEST.read() doesn't work

REQUEST.stdin.read() doesn't work (from an external method)

REQUEST._file is None

I don't want to fake up a form post.. How do I get at the body of the post through 
REQUEST?

Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements



From dave@kovach.com  Thu May 24 16:46:51 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 24 May 2001 08:46:51 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope and Dreamweaver WebDAV
Message-ID: <20010524154651.7302.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

I too use Dreamweaver as an editor (its gotten alot better really!) and want to try and assist making it a great frontend to Zope. Though, as Jason noted - it is a total memory hog. But, lots of proven features.

Thing is - when using it - you still need to use the ZMI to add and maintain objects correct?

What about an ext. to be able to add objects from Dreamweaver?

Thoughts...


David


On Thu, 24 May 2001, "Jason Cunliffe" wrote:

> 
> David
> 
> I have been using Dreamweaver FTP and Zope. Yes, The big problem is the lack
> of suffix. This means you can not click files in the Dreamweaver Site
> manager to load. But you _can_ drag Zope items onto the main Dreamweaver
> window! This works in version 3 and 4. So it's pretty easy to change Zope
> form styles or edit anything this way.
> 
> Using Dreamweaver with Zope makes one reconsider Zope object naming schemes.
> If one is more systematic in zope adn/or use siffixes, it is much easier to
> make Dreamweaver more responsive. However this does not apply to all the
> builtin Zope code. It is a shame there is not a wildcard filename featre in
> Dreamweaver which would allow special recognition within the Site Manager,
> based on any input. For those whoh deevlop Dreamweaver Extensions, this is
> probably not that complicated even.
> 
> I think nobody has really needed to - until Zope. And since so few Zopisti
> are graphic design inclined, and since Zope workflow is still a raw and
> undeveloped topic, this reamins sadly negelected. Stronger Dreamweaver Zope
> features would make Zope a much easier 'sell' to potentital clients their
> CTOs. Also a good way to make a wider audience aware of Zope.
> 
> I did not know about the WebDav extension. Thanks - I will try it.
> Mostly I find WebDav rather slow. Maybe just my setup here [Win98se 500Mhz
> 192Mb].
> 
> Dreamweaver is a memory hog. But Version 4 is nice with Zope because of
> various options for rendering pages, view HTML + source etc.. If only it
> were really linked to Zope and could go 'fetch' DTML and Zope objects in a
> timely manner. Still there is a lott of work one can do.
> 
> There is a Zope <dtml> tag extension for Dreamweaver. Works with 3 & 4.
> Places a little DTML-START adn DTML-STOP gifs inline which you can access.
> Somewhat useful dependnig on your style of use in Dreamweaver.
> http://www.zope.org/Members/johanc/Dreamweaver3
> 
> Please let me know if you make progress with this
> 
> hth
> ./Jason
> ___________________________________________________________
> Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Legg" <d.legg@ncl.ac.uk>
> To: "Zope List" <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:04 AM
> Subject: [Zope] Zope and Dreamweaver WebDAV
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I can access a Zope site through Dreamweaver WebDAV, but opening Zope
> > documents presents a problem as they do not have a conventional file
> > extension - .html, .js etc. I can vaguely remember a work around for this,
> > but I had no use for it at the time. Anybody using Dreamweaver WebDAV and
> > Zope at the moment have any ideas and any further tips? I have the
> > Dreamweaver WebDAV patch downloaded from the Macromedia website.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > David Legg
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From drees@the-bridge.net  Thu May 24 16:50:39 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:50:39 -0500
Subject: [Zope] XML-RPC, ZSQL, and Python-Scripts - an example
Message-ID: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOOEDNDIAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

Following up to my own post Re: XML-RPC marshalling.

First the givens.

ZSQL Method: view_sql
#
# Schema (Postgres)
# entry_title varchar
# entry_username varchar
# entry_body varchar
# entry_timestamp timestamp
#
<params></params>
select
  *
from
  weblog
where
  entry_username ='steve'
order by
  entry_timestamp desc


## Script (Python) "view"
##bind container=container
##bind context=context
##bind namespace=
##bind script=script
##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
##parameters=
##title=
##
items=[]
for item in context.view_sql():
  new_dict = {'title':item.entry_title,
              'username':item.entry_username,
              'body':item.entry_body,
              'timestamp':item.entry_timestamp}
  items.append(new_dict)

return items

--------------------------------------------------------

[drees@gfa drees]$ python
Python 1.5.2 (#1, Dec 21 2000, 15:29:08)  [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux
(egcs- on linux-i386
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
>>> import xmlrpclib
>>> s=xmlrpclib.Server('http://somedomain.com')
>>> for  i in s.view():
...   print i['title'], i['timestamp']
...   print i['body']
...

<output snipped> you get the idea from here...

--
Steve Drees
SysAdmin/Software Developer/Web Geek/Chief Bottle Washer
"A problem well-stated is a problem half-solved."
http://stve.wejustrock.com



From nico@tekNico.net  Thu May 24 19:05:30 2001
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:05:30 +0000
Subject: [Zope] Re: AW: [Zope-Annce] Formulator 0.9.1 released
Message-ID: <3B0D4D6A.4050109@tekNico.net>

 > I get following error when I testing a field and don't enter the right
 > value.
 >
 > Error Type: TypeError
 > Error Value: not enough arguments; expected 3, got 2

It's the same error I had before unloading ZDebug. Do you have it loaded?


-- 
Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net



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From marc@bowery.com  Thu May 24 17:34:32 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:34:32 -0400
Subject: [Zope] How to get raw upload data from POST?
In-Reply-To: <3B0CEFB1.3572.450FB4E@localhost>
Message-ID: <B732AF25.2DC5D%marc@bowery.com>

Dig around in OFS/Image.py, you can see how they do it there.

> From: "Brad Clements" <bkc@murkworks.com>
> Organization: MurkWorks, Incorporated.
> Reply-To: bkc@murkworks.com
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:41:45 -0400
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] How to get raw upload data from POST?
> 
> I'm working to upload ADO recordsets in XML format.
> 
> I use the XMLHTTP object to POST raw <?xml> text as the "body" of the post.
> 
> Content-Type isn't set in the POST request.
> 
> I'm trying to figure out how to read() the body of the post. Seems the
> FieldStorage is 
> doing something I can't figure out.
> 
> REQUEST.read() doesn't work
> 
> REQUEST.stdin.read() doesn't work (from an external method)
> 
> REQUEST._file is None
> 
> I don't want to fake up a form post.. How do I get at the body of the post
> through 
> REQUEST?
> 
> Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
> netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com               AOL-IM: BKClements
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From bkc@murkworks.com  Thu May 24 17:58:52 2001
From: bkc@murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:58:52 -0400
Subject: [Zope] How to get raw upload data from POST?
In-Reply-To: <B732AF25.2DC5D%marc@bowery.com>
References: <3B0CEFB1.3572.450FB4E@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B0D01C4.6965.4979403@localhost>

On 24 May 2001, at 12:34, marc lindahl wrote:

> Dig around in OFS/Image.py, you can see how they do it there.

Nope, that doesn't apply.

File in Image.py is passed a file object from FieldStorage which has already parsed the 
POST headers and decoded the mime body.

In my case, there isn't a mime body.

I have found that this works:

def GetRequestBody(REQUEST):
   "get stdin data"
   s = REQUEST.stdin
   s.seek(0)
   return s.read()





From philippe.jadin@123piano.com  Thu May 24 17:41:44 2001
From: philippe.jadin@123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:41:44 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Give ":Record" modifier in forms access to python scritps [newbie]
Message-ID: <001701c0e470$89ec2ac0$3786043e@r3g4p8>

Hello,

After a ten-times reading of the zopebook part about ":record" modifier that
can be used in html form in order to have records available for scripting,
I still can't understand how to use them.

I have a addform with (roughly) this :
(idea took from the guestbook example)

-----------------
<form action="addMediaAction" method="POST">

Filename :
<input type="text" name="filename" value="">

Describe your media: <br>
<textarea name="description" rows="10" cols="60"></textarea>

Completion (0-100%) : <br>
<input type="text" name="metadata.completion:record" value="100">

Color :<br>
<input type="text" name="metadata.color:record">

<input type="submit" value="Submit media">
</form>
------------------------

The  addMediaAction file is something like this :

--------------
<dtml-call expr="addMedia(filename, description, metadata)">
--------------

and the addMedia python script is :

------------------
"""
Create a new media entry.
"""
# assign the filename to the id var for the new doc

id=filename

# create the document
context.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].manage_addDTMLDocument(id, title="",
file=description)

# add the media properties to the object. It is submited in the form like
this : media.xxx:record
# arbitrary metadata can be submited by proper editing of the form.

doc=getattr(context, id)

# add each metadata to the object

# doc.manage_addProperty(metadata)

-----------

Now, I'd like to add each metadata.xxxx entry as a new property of the just
created object.

This way, I could add more metadata simply by editing the form.

So, in the python script, how can I tell : "run over each record in the
metadata record, and create a property with the name and value of each
record" ? Is it the right way to do this?

Thanks for your time !


Philippe Jadin
www.123piano.com



From stefan@epy.co.at  Thu May 24 18:20:02 2001
From: stefan@epy.co.at (Stefan H. Holek)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:20:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] More BOA/ZOA [Was: Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client]
In-Reply-To: <EMEBLHHNMMONGIHFFHOCOEAFCBAA.caz@tcdi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105241854100.4582-100000@epy.co.at>

I know for a fact that the BOA people are in the process of assembling a
new release (it's a CVS-tree merging thing IIRC, because Riaan
and Robert got out of sync recently ;)

The Zope support (ZOA) will be via XML-RPC only (as opposed to the current 
FTP) and looks pretty impressive from what I've seen. 

It might be worth the wait for NIP so not to reinvent some wheels ;) 

Stefan


On Tue, 22 May 2001, Corey Zimmet wrote:

> If you do go with wxPython,  there is a pretty good open source IDE called
> boa constructor. It can be found at:
> 
> http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/
> 
> It was written in wxPython and runs on both Windows and Linux. It also has
> some support for Zope.
> 
> Corey
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Thu May 24 18:28:08 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:28:08 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope and Dreamweaver WebDAV
References: <20010524154651.7302.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <010b01c0e476$e8792060$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

> Thing is - when using it - you still need to use the ZMI to add and
maintain objects correct?

Not sure what you mean... ??

You can create fresh DTML from within Dreamweaver.

Dreamweavers's main paradigm is to maintain a local folder tree with HTML+
media content usind the 'Sites' Manager interface. This is then synchronized
up/down with the remote server. Over FTP which is its default, one is using
Zope's own FTP access to the ZODB. AS far as I know you can put and get
anything this way.

Whether or not Dreamweaver knows how to display or edit those objects is
another matter. Dreamweaver does allow one to assign external views and
editors. This is very useful for code as well as garphics/sound etc. This is
why folowing 'conventional' 3/4 letter suffix naming habits in Zope will be
well-rewarded when using Dreamweaver. The paradigm is of course a little
broken since Dreamweaver is expecting flat file access.

On the Zope side I find it a real advantage to use 'normal' file names as
created by other applications, such as index.html, myfile.swf, etc  One
advantage is that upload and refressh from local to remote is direct and
fast. The only gotcha is Zope's "workflow-challenged" recommendation to
avoid object names with dot.names. There are ugly but effective workarounds,
and this is a major zope FAQ.

IMHO What zope needs is really clean way to use objects which have
dot.sufixes names

Any idea about this?

It would be a very pragmatic boost to Zpoe workflow, expecially when graphic
designers and non-Zopisti are involved. A common Content Management Workflow
scenario is people working on XYZ local system using ABC applications,
neednig to upload/update all kinds of familiar documents .XLS, .DOC, .JPG,
.PDF., etc

There are better and better tools now for sharing media, external files and
images, loading, parsing and cataloguing them.
ExtFile/ExtImage http://www.zope.org/Members/MacGregor/ExtFile
LocalFS http://www.zope.org/Members/jfarr/Products/LocalFS/
ExtDocument  http://www.zope.org/Members/tmclaugh/ExtDocument_news
ParsedXML http://www.zope.org/Members/karl/ParsedXML/1.0
ZShell [many features, especially fabulous 'wget' command]
http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

But 'Core' Zope is falling a behind in recognition of handling the objects
all the useful [essential]products enable

For example, I use Flash5 a lot. This means there are 3 files to maintain:
source.fla [authoring], source.swf[playback over web] and
source.html[object/embed htnml wrapper code] Since any flash work involves
many versions and revisions,  I need to upload source.html once, source.fla
at the end of each 'session' and for source.swf every change you want to use
on the ZopeSite. FLash5 'publish' command generates the wrapper HTML which I
then upload into an identically named DTML Method. Except for changes of the
Flash player or some special need, I forget about this one. The .FLA I
upload so I have a server-side backup which I can share with other artists.
The .SWF is uploaded as Zope 'File' object and/or using the external
products. Same applies for images.

The 'Image' upload and smoe others, have one very nice default 'workflow]'
feature. If you don't create an Id or Title they will use the existing name
for Id and the local upload filepath for Title. I tend to use verbose names
for versions of graphics while I am working on them, but prefer very short
simple ones for Zope. Automatically using Title for my local filepath in
Zope means I can easily locate the precise file later. This sort of
behaviour needs to be made deeper and wider across Zope. It would also boost
the use of tools like Dreamweaver. The new hot ZopeIDE now being discussed
will want to resolve these issues also.

example:

An image I am working on may be called "sitelogo_dark_up_005.jpg"
and stored in e:\projects\Zsites\NiceClient\designcomps\logos
In Zope I might want to refer to the object as "logo_up" or "logo_up.jpg"
This is true for the various stages - while presentation to client is being
prepared, after it is 'approved',  while the site is going up and being
tweaked. As soon as one works with a lot of media or other file-based
content, have to implement design changes, and more people are involved, the
problem multiplies. Keeping workflow metadata within the Zope object
prooperties is thus a really high priority. ZShell is has good interactive
tools to help manage this situation.
Dreamweaver can help one track all of this various feature. CSS style sheets
are another category. And Zope is capable but not yet oriented to this.

I find keeping a local and remote set for Zope is both good and bad. Good
because, one has backup and work locally. Bad because there is can be
quickly confusing. There is not a natural structural synchronization between
Zope and the local file system. If you move things around in Zope you must
be sure to reflect those changes in Dreamweaver's local mapping of files and
objects, and vice versa. Dreamweaver seems to assume one will not move parts
of the site tree around.

comments/tips welcome

./Jason



From mark.langkau@pbmplus.com  Thu May 24 18:32:08 2001
From: mark.langkau@pbmplus.com (Mark Langkau)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:32:08 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
Message-ID: <3B0D4598.559F993E@pbmplus.com>

Hi,

Forgive me if this isn't the correct list for this question. I need some
design help - and suggestions of tools to use would be great. I'll take
further discussions of "design" issues off line, and stick to specific
Zope/tool questions here.

Quick Summary:

I need to take an incoming MS-Word file and break it up into sections,
and post them on our Zope intranet for various employees to edit and
contribute to. When completed, the sections need to be rolled back up
into a single file that can be converted back to MS-Word. Users will not
have access to the Zope Management Interface.

Details:

We have several people in multiple locations that need to edit different
parts of the same document - anytime - online. My first thought is
ZWiki, but I'm not sure if other options (if any) are better. (I'm a
wiki newbie).

We get several Request For Proposal (RFP) docs that require several
departments to contribute information and answer questions. I'd like to
convert the client's original file (MS-Word) into something that Zope
can publish and allow edits. The users in our departments will not have
access to the Zope Management Interface, and the goal is to use just a
browser to call up an RFP and answer questions in sections pertaining to
their own department. Anyone working on the RFP can see the entire
document (no dept. restrictions).

The final format back to the client is usually very specific, and again
in MS-Word format, so I'm not looking to produce a "final" presentation
document directly from the Zope site. However, we will need to "roll-up"
all of the parts of the RFP back into a single doc for manual
reformatting as required by the client.

If I save the Word doc into html format, can I convert that to
Structured Text and paste that into Wiki pages? Does anyone have a
script that could automate this - breaking sections (based on html
heading tags perhaps) into separate wiki pages? (Or even just to convert
html to stx?) I'm thinking that breaking the RFP up into separate pages
may minimize the chance for 2 people to save changes to the same page at
the same time - or lock one page and not save all day, etc. (It'll still
happen, but perhaps not as often ;-)

Is there an easier way to do this?

Thanks,
Mark



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 24 18:39:44 2001
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:39:44 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] Formulator 0.9.1 released
In-Reply-To: <JNEGJDHOLGJOMEABNMMAGEIKCAAA.db@konsylo.com>
References: <20010513222010.A29352@vet.uu.nl> <JNEGJDHOLGJOMEABNMMAGEIKCAAA.db@konsylo.com>
Message-ID: <20010524193944.A20437@vet.uu.nl>

Damir Bartakovic wrote:
> Did anybody tried to get Formulator to work?
> 
> I get following error when I testing a field and don't enter the right
> value.

[snip error message]

> If I enter a proper value, everything is alright!
> Any hints?

Hi there!

This appears to be a conflict with ZDebug. If you deinstall ZDebug
from your Zope, Formulator should work. I'm trying to figure out
what exactly goes wrong so we can fix this.

Thanks for the bug report!

Regards,

Martijn



From dave@kovach.com  Thu May 24 19:15:53 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 24 May 2001 11:15:53 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope and Dreamweaver WebDAV
Message-ID: <20010524181553.9095.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

What I meant was can you add an IMAGE object or a special product object like from say ACTIVEIMAGES...?
You would have to go back to the ZMI to add that object...

Though, I am talking out my butt cause I have just been using DW to edit existing dtml objects.

DK
On Thu, 24 May 2001, "Jason Cunliffe" wrote:

> 
> > Thing is - when using it - you still need to use the ZMI to add and
> maintain objects correct?
> 
> Not sure what you mean... ??
> 
> You can create fresh DTML from within Dreamweaver.
> 
> Dreamweavers's main paradigm is to maintain a local folder tree with HTML+
> media content usind the 'Sites' Manager interface. This is then synchronized
> up/down with the remote server. Over FTP which is its default, one is using
> Zope's own FTP access to the ZODB. AS far as I know you can put and get
> anything this way.
> 
> Whether or not Dreamweaver knows how to display or edit those objects is
> another matter. Dreamweaver does allow one to assign external views and
> editors. This is very useful for code as well as garphics/sound etc. This is
> why folowing 'conventional' 3/4 letter suffix naming habits in Zope will be
> well-rewarded when using Dreamweaver. The paradigm is of course a little
> broken since Dreamweaver is expecting flat file access.
> 
> On the Zope side I find it a real advantage to use 'normal' file names as
> created by other applications, such as index.html, myfile.swf, etc  One
> advantage is that upload and refressh from local to remote is direct and
> fast. The only gotcha is Zope's "workflow-challenged" recommendation to
> avoid object names with dot.names. There are ugly but effective workarounds,
> and this is a major zope FAQ.
> 
> IMHO What zope needs is really clean way to use objects which have
> dot.sufixes names
> 
> Any idea about this?
> 
> It would be a very pragmatic boost to Zpoe workflow, expecially when graphic
> designers and non-Zopisti are involved. A common Content Management Workflow
> scenario is people working on XYZ local system using ABC applications,
> neednig to upload/update all kinds of familiar documents .XLS, .DOC, .JPG,
> .PDF., etc
> 
> There are better and better tools now for sharing media, external files and
> images, loading, parsing and cataloguing them.
> ExtFile/ExtImage http://www.zope.org/Members/MacGregor/ExtFile
> LocalFS http://www.zope.org/Members/jfarr/Products/LocalFS/
> ExtDocument  http://www.zope.org/Members/tmclaugh/ExtDocument_news
> ParsedXML http://www.zope.org/Members/karl/ParsedXML/1.0
> ZShell [many features, especially fabulous 'wget' command]
> http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/
> 
> But 'Core' Zope is falling a behind in recognition of handling the objects
> all the useful [essential]products enable
> 
> For example, I use Flash5 a lot. This means there are 3 files to maintain:
> source.fla [authoring], source.swf[playback over web] and
> source.html[object/embed htnml wrapper code] Since any flash work involves
> many versions and revisions,  I need to upload source.html once, source.fla
> at the end of each 'session' and for source.swf every change you want to use
> on the ZopeSite. FLash5 'publish' command generates the wrapper HTML which I
> then upload into an identically named DTML Method. Except for changes of the
> Flash player or some special need, I forget about this one. The .FLA I
> upload so I have a server-side backup which I can share with other artists.
> The .SWF is uploaded as Zope 'File' object and/or using the external
> products. Same applies for images.
> 
> The 'Image' upload and smoe others, have one very nice default 'workflow]'
> feature. If you don't create an Id or Title they will use the existing name
> for Id and the local upload filepath for Title. I tend to use verbose names
> for versions of graphics while I am working on them, but prefer very short
> simple ones for Zope. Automatically using Title for my local filepath in
> Zope means I can easily locate the precise file later. This sort of
> behaviour needs to be made deeper and wider across Zope. It would also boost
> the use of tools like Dreamweaver. The new hot ZopeIDE now being discussed
> will want to resolve these issues also.
> 
> example:
> 
> An image I am working on may be called "sitelogo_dark_up_005.jpg"
> and stored in e:\projects\Zsites\NiceClient\designcomps\logos
> In Zope I might want to refer to the object as "logo_up" or "logo_up.jpg"
> This is true for the various stages - while presentation to client is being
> prepared, after it is 'approved',  while the site is going up and being
> tweaked. As soon as one works with a lot of media or other file-based
> content, have to implement design changes, and more people are involved, the
> problem multiplies. Keeping workflow metadata within the Zope object
> prooperties is thus a really high priority. ZShell is has good interactive
> tools to help manage this situation.
> Dreamweaver can help one track all of this various feature. CSS style sheets
> are another category. And Zope is capable but not yet oriented to this.
> 
> I find keeping a local and remote set for Zope is both good and bad. Good
> because, one has backup and work locally. Bad because there is can be
> quickly confusing. There is not a natural structural synchronization between
> Zope and the local file system. If you move things around in Zope you must
> be sure to reflect those changes in Dreamweaver's local mapping of files and
> objects, and vice versa. Dreamweaver seems to assume one will not move parts
> of the site tree around.
> 
> comments/tips welcome
> 
> ./Jason




From karl@digicool.com  Thu May 24 19:12:43 2001
From: karl@digicool.com (Karl Anderson)
Date: 24 May 2001 11:12:43 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: Oleg Broytmann's message of "Thu, 24 May 2001 12:28:00 +0400 (MSD)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105241222410.14013-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <m04ruavco4.fsf@dclxvi.foobar.not>

Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> writes:

> On 23 May 2001, Karl Anderson wrote:

> > I use NetMind's URL-Minder to tell me when the wikis I need to be on
> 
>    Will NetMind send me false alarm when the design (not content) of the
> page changed? For example, if time stamped on the page - will NetMind send
> me notifications?

Yes, unless you use NetMind's tags that tell it what to ignore.
Lots of fancy design changes seems pretty pointless for a wiki, though.

-- 
Karl Anderson                          karl@digicool.com


From tismer@tismer.com  Thu May 24 19:35:10 2001
From: tismer@tismer.com (Christian Tismer)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:35:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app w/Zope
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105211502540.19094-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3B0D545E.705FC955@tismer.com>


Michel Pelletier wrote:
...
> > I'm currently doing a bit of playing around with wxPython, which
> reminds me
> > a lot of my days programming with the Borland OWL class libraries, so I
> > might be partial to such a solution using wxPython instead of tkinter (tcl
> > interpreter - blech!  motif-style widgets - yuck!).  An IDE built with a
> > decent (modern) widget set / UI class library, with extended toolkit
> > functions, like data-bound controls, might make for an interesting
> > user-extensible means of creating custom-tweaked IDEs, not to mention other
> > desktop software that accesses Zope...
> 
> wxPython is indeed very cool.

Kylix would probably be even cooler. Unfortunately Kylix
is no free software.

> > In addition to an IDE, I want to be able to have some good guidelines
> and
> > documentation for standardized UML in Zope, so that when I share designs
> > with colleagues, I don't have to use a ridiculous amount of my own flavor of
> > stereotypes, just because I don't know any better.  Once I have that, I want
> > CASE->CODE->CASE tools with an existing tool (even if it is a Visio
> > extension hacked with VBscript),
> 
> blech.  it would take you just as long to hack one up with xwPython and
> have a real object model underneath and it would be x-platform.

Do you think Delphi/Kylix is considerable?
At the moment, I'm considering this for a GUI
for FreePM. I had some very good experience with
PythonForDelphi, it integrates very well with
Python. You have both worlds: Python's scripting
power, and Delphi with its IDE. Doing the same
thing under Linux using Kylix might be a promising path.

ciao - chris

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From mark.langkau@pbmplus.com  Thu May 24 19:47:35 2001
From: mark.langkau@pbmplus.com (Mark Langkau)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:47:35 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
References: <3B0D4598.559F993E@pbmplus.com> <3B0D4832.64A5F8E7@usc.edu>
Message-ID: <3B0D5747.7538A4A3@pbmplus.com>

Thanks Rich!

I think there will be two parts to this:

- Pulling text out of MS-Word  into Zope, and later back into Word
- Allowing multiple editors/authors to work on that extracted text in Zope,
perhaps simultaneoulsy

I started looking at wvWare yesterday for the conversions. It compiles and
works, but I haven't had much time to play with it yet. I was wondering about
XML too.

I just started working with Wiki's today, so I haven't read all of the docs
yet. Do I need to use structured text in a wiki page, or can I paste text with
html tags in there too? If so, I wouldn't have to convert to stx and could save
a step.

I started looking at structured text after watching "The Zope Book" come
together over several months, and I'd like to incorporate that model into our
own documentation process. So, I'm not looking to "avoid" using stx - we will
be using it in other areas.

I suspect that parts of this have been done by "someone" before ;-) If not,
maybe this will be a good excuse for me to learn about making Zope products.

Cheers,
Mark


Rich Pinder wrote:

> Great application.
> I'm also very interested in whichever products can do the parsing of the
> word file.
> I think i saw one (dont recall it now) on the zope announcements in the last
> day or so that converted the .doc into an .html document.
> but putting it back into word... havent seen that.
>
> I'd like to be able to actually  'parse' the header info of the word
> document - there is bunches of info a user can put in a document (or gets
> there automatically)  - user name/ date/ keywords/ title/  etc.... and what
> i'd love to see is a way to not only convert it to html, but also into
> either the zope database or maybe into an XML document for saving.
>
> i'll keep my eyes and ears peeled
>
> thanks
> rich pinder
> usc school of medicine
>
> Mark Langkau wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Forgive me if this isn't the correct list for this question. I need some
> > design help - and suggestions of tools to use would be great. I'll take
> > further discussions of "design" issues off line, and stick to specific
> > Zope/tool questions here.
> >
> > Quick Summary:
> >
> > I need to take an incoming MS-Word file and break it up into sections,
> > and post them on our Zope intranet for various employees to edit and
> > contribute to. When completed, the sections need to be rolled back up
> > into a single file that can be converted back to MS-Word. Users will not
> > have access to the Zope Management Interface.
> >



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Thu May 24 20:03:04 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:03:04 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <m04ruavco4.fsf@dclxvi.foobar.not>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105242302110.13590-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On 24 May 2001, Karl Anderson wrote:
> >    Will NetMind send me false alarm when the design (not content) of the
> > page changed? For example, if time stamped on the page - will NetMind send
> > me notifications?
>
> Yes, unless you use NetMind's tags that tell it what to ignore.

   So far wikis are not looking very convincing. I still prefer mailing
lists.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From mark.langkau@pbmplus.com  Thu May 24 20:07:17 2001
From: mark.langkau@pbmplus.com (Mark Langkau)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:07:17 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
References: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICEEIFGHAA.lstafford@morphics.com>
Message-ID: <3B0D5BE5.7462DAA0@pbmplus.com>

Thanks Loren -

I installed both of them yesterday, which is what started me down this path. I *really* like DocumentLibrary. I didn't see anything in either product for actually editing the document from within the
library though. (It's quite possible that I missed it - I'm just beginning to work with them)

We will be using DocumentLibrary to archive past RFP's.  Thank you Kaivo for some great tools!

What I think I'm looking for really feels like a Zope app. I'm probably just not aware of the full capabilities of tools like cmf, ZWiki, DocumentLibrary/MSWordMunger, XML, etc. I'm sure it's in
there somewhere ;-)  Am I on the right path thinking that ZWiki will be the way to edit this text online (without using the Zope Management Interface?) We're trying to avoid the "download - edit -
upload" process.

I'll check the conversion output from MSWordMunger and let you know about your <h#> observation. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

Cheers,
Mark


Loren Stafford wrote:

> Did you see these recently announced products:
>
> http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/DocumentLibrary
>
> http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/MSWordMunger
>
> Another observation: Unless the client's Word files use Heading styles, most Word to HTML converters won't produce HTML with <hn> tags (where n is a digit). But maybe you have a smarter converter.
>
> -- Loren
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Mark
> > Langkau
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:32
> > To: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Forgive me if this isn't the correct list for this question. I need some
> > design help - and suggestions of tools to use would be great. I'll take
> > further discussions of "design" issues off line, and stick to specific
> > Zope/tool questions here.
> >
> > Quick Summary:
> >
> > I need to take an incoming MS-Word file and break it up into sections,
> > and post them on our Zope intranet for various employees to edit and
> > contribute to. When completed, the sections need to be rolled back up
> > into a single file that can be converted back to MS-Word. Users will not
> > have access to the Zope Management Interface.



From evan@4-am.com  Thu May 24 20:27:31 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:27:31 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Give ":Record" modifier in forms access to python scritps [newbie]
References: <001701c0e470$89ec2ac0$3786043e@r3g4p8>
Message-ID: <00ef01c0e487$93d14fe0$0c17a8c0@yosemite>

From: "Philippe Jadin" <philippe.jadin@123piano.com>
> So, in the python script, how can I tell : "run over each record in the
> metadata record, and create a property with the name and value of each
> record" ? Is it the right way to do this?

Almost.  Never trust the browser.  You should set up the property schema
yourself, then plug in the values from the record, like this:

doc.manage_addProperty('prop1', '', 'string')
doc.manage_addProperty('prop2', '0', 'integer')
doc.manage_changeProperties(metadata)

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From lstafford@morphics.com  Thu May 24 20:21:17 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:21:17 -0700
Subject: FW: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICIEIGGHAA.lstafford@morphics.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: Loren Stafford [mailto:lstafford@morphics.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:49
To: Mark Langkau
Subject: RE: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration


Did you see these recently announced products:

http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/DocumentLibrary

http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/MSWordMunger

Another observation: Unless the client's Word files use Heading styles, =
most Word to HTML converters won't produce HTML with <hn> tags (where n =
is a digit). But maybe you have a smarter converter.

-- Loren



> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of =
Mark
> Langkau
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:32
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
>=20
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> Forgive me if this isn't the correct list for this question. I need =
some
> design help - and suggestions of tools to use would be great. I'll =
take
> further discussions of "design" issues off line, and stick to specific
> Zope/tool questions here.
>=20
> Quick Summary:
>=20
> I need to take an incoming MS-Word file and break it up into sections,
> and post them on our Zope intranet for various employees to edit and
> contribute to. When completed, the sections need to be rolled back up
> into a single file that can be converted back to MS-Word. Users will =
not
> have access to the Zope Management Interface.
>=20
> Details:
>=20
> We have several people in multiple locations that need to edit =
different
> parts of the same document - anytime - online. My first thought is
> ZWiki, but I'm not sure if other options (if any) are better. (I'm a
> wiki newbie).
>=20
> We get several Request For Proposal (RFP) docs that require several
> departments to contribute information and answer questions. I'd like =
to
> convert the client's original file (MS-Word) into something that Zope
> can publish and allow edits. The users in our departments will not =
have
> access to the Zope Management Interface, and the goal is to use just a
> browser to call up an RFP and answer questions in sections pertaining =
to
> their own department. Anyone working on the RFP can see the entire
> document (no dept. restrictions).
>=20
> The final format back to the client is usually very specific, and =
again
> in MS-Word format, so I'm not looking to produce a "final" =
presentation
> document directly from the Zope site. However, we will need to =
"roll-up"
> all of the parts of the RFP back into a single doc for manual
> reformatting as required by the client.
>=20
> If I save the Word doc into html format, can I convert that to
> Structured Text and paste that into Wiki pages? Does anyone have a
> script that could automate this - breaking sections (based on html
> heading tags perhaps) into separate wiki pages? (Or even just to =
convert
> html to stx?) I'm thinking that breaking the RFP up into separate =
pages
> may minimize the chance for 2 people to save changes to the same page =
at
> the same time - or lock one page and not save all day, etc. (It'll =
still
> happen, but perhaps not as often ;-)
>=20
> Is there an easier way to do this?
>=20
> Thanks,
> Mark
>=20
>=20
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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May 24 20:37:12 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:37:12 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
References: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICEEIFGHAA.lstafford@morphics.com> <3B0D5BE5.7462DAA0@pbmplus.com>
Message-ID: <3B0D62E8.7EFBB017@kaivo.com>

Mark Langkau wrote:
> 
> Thanks Loren -
> 
> I installed both of them yesterday, which is what started me down this path. I *really* like DocumentLibrary. I didn't see anything in either product for actually editing the document from within the
> library though. (It's quite possible that I missed it - I'm just beginning to work with them)

Yes, neither are really designed as collaborative tools like what you
want.

> 
> We will be using DocumentLibrary to archive past RFP's.  Thank you Kaivo for some great tools!
> 

Glad you like it.

> What I think I'm looking for really feels like a Zope app. I'm probably just not aware of the full capabilities of tools like cmf, ZWiki, DocumentLibrary/MSWordMunger, XML, etc. I'm sure it's in
> there somewhere ;-)  Am I on the right path thinking that ZWiki will be the way to edit this text online (without using the Zope Management Interface?) We're trying to avoid the "download - edit -
> upload" process.

Wikis are collaborative, but very light on content formatting, heavier
on the inter-document links. It would be a challenge (though not
impossible) to make a single document from a Wiki.

> 
> I'll check the conversion output from MSWordMunger and let you know about your <h#> observation. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

The munger should convert the heading styles. If you edit the wvZope.xml
file in the product, you can make it output code for any styles you
please. It will convert other formatting as well to the standard tags
(bold, italic, underline, superscript, etc.). You could even make it
generate XML from a Word document if you like.

Making a word document back out of the HTML/XML/DTML objects would
probably be challenging. I think wvWare is beginning to support this
however.

> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 

I think the complexity of this project depends on the sophistication of
your users (do they know HTML/XML, do they need a WYSIWYG editor, or is
structured text good enough?) and what capabilities you want in Zope to
collaborate on these docs.

Perhaps there is a better network file system based solution already in
existence?

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Thu May 24 20:40:36 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:40:36 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app w/ Zope
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B332@desi2>

As a former VCL and OWL programmer, I have a bit of an affinity towards that
way of doing things; the catch is of course, given I mainly do server-side
development now (and frankly, it makes no sense to do non-client development
in non-open tools, for the most part), I don't have the interest, or the
money to keep paying Borland for upgrades every time the release a new
version of Kylix/Delphi/Whatever; I stopped playing that game at about BCPP
3 after going from TP1.5->Delphi2->BCPP 3.  I could only afford the decent
versions of those tools when I was a student and had access to academic
pricing at the campus bookstore, and now that I don't I do work in free
tools, and get more satisfaction out of it.  Kylix still has too high of a
barrier to entry for most developers to even be considered for any
open-source development.

wxPython has definitely rekindled my interest in doing some desktop
development, with the idea that Zope would provide a good middleware suite /
backend for those kind of apps.  I can't wait to see what the
Boa-Constructor people have been doing...

If I could get the ability to have a tool like Delphi, et al and be able to
code in Python, and use Zope as an object brokering system for a backend -
and have it all free - I would be very willing to give up sleeping and
eating just to code more ;)

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Tismer [mailto:tismer@tismer.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:35 AM
To: Michel Pelletier
Cc: sean.upton@uniontrib.com; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app
w/Zope




Michel Pelletier wrote:
...
> > I'm currently doing a bit of playing around with wxPython, which
> reminds me
> > a lot of my days programming with the Borland OWL class libraries, so I
> > might be partial to such a solution using wxPython instead of tkinter
(tcl
> > interpreter - blech!  motif-style widgets - yuck!).  An IDE built with a
> > decent (modern) widget set / UI class library, with extended toolkit
> > functions, like data-bound controls, might make for an interesting
> > user-extensible means of creating custom-tweaked IDEs, not to mention
other
> > desktop software that accesses Zope...
> 
> wxPython is indeed very cool.

Kylix would probably be even cooler. Unfortunately Kylix
is no free software.

> > In addition to an IDE, I want to be able to have some good guidelines
> and
> > documentation for standardized UML in Zope, so that when I share designs
> > with colleagues, I don't have to use a ridiculous amount of my own
flavor of
> > stereotypes, just because I don't know any better.  Once I have that, I
want
> > CASE->CODE->CASE tools with an existing tool (even if it is a Visio
> > extension hacked with VBscript),
> 
> blech.  it would take you just as long to hack one up with xwPython and
> have a real object model underneath and it would be x-platform.

Do you think Delphi/Kylix is considerable?
At the moment, I'm considering this for a GUI
for FreePM. I had some very good experience with
PythonForDelphi, it integrates very well with
Python. You have both worlds: Python's scripting
power, and Delphi with its IDE. Doing the same
thing under Linux using Kylix might be a promising path.

ciao - chris

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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May 24 20:43:14 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:43:14 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Accessing the subfolders in zope
References: <001201c0e465$e615ebc0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <3B0D6452.E58C89CB@kaivo.com>

> Bobby Mathew wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I need some advice as to how i access the subfolder of a folder. This
> is my code so far but i seem to be stuck.
> any help appreciated.
> I have a folder called eSessions and under which i have created
> another folder (say xyz) which i am passing as a parameter to this
> python script. My aim is to access that subfolder and add a property
> as shown below but i am confused how to access this xyz subfolder ???
> The fname varialbe is passed with xyz in it as an argument.
> 
> container.fname.addProperty('memberid',1,int)          (this line
> gives me a problem)
> print propertyItems
> return printed
> 
> 
> thanks
> bobby

try:

container[fname].addProperty('memberid',1,'int')

Folders act like python dictionaries for subobject lookups.

BTW: Please don't post HTML messages to the list. Most people will just
ignore them.

hth
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From mark.langkau@pbmplus.com  Thu May 24 20:44:51 2001
From: mark.langkau@pbmplus.com (Mark Langkau)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:44:51 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
References: <3B0D4598.559F993E@pbmplus.com> <000e01c0e488$2139dfa0$2088043e@r3g4p8>
Message-ID: <3B0D64B3.6BBF5ED8@pbmplus.com>

Thanks Philippe -

I had a hunch that xml would be a possibility here. I haven't worked with XML
yet, so I'm not sure how to make that work. (But I'm a quick learner, and
I can see the weekend from here ... ;-)

Any hints on how to edit an xml node online? (If it's in the docs online -
I'll find it)

Cheers,
Mark

Philippe Jadin wrote:

> > departments to contribute information and answer questions. I'd like to
> > convert the client's original file (MS-Word) into something that Zope
> > can publish and allow edits. The users in our departments will not have
> > access to the Zope Management Interface, and the goal is to use just a
>
> Why not use xml? with a good zope xml product (there are two if I remember
> correctly), you could define some scheme that could be easy to update.
>
> An xml document in zope is treated like a folder with differents objects
> (=xml nodes).
>
> Each piece of information would be an xml node.
>
> At the end, everything would be ocnverted back to pdf, word, or html with
> css for example...
>
> Xml will be apiece of cake to convert / use in the future.
>
> my $0.02
>
> Philippe



From alet@unice.fr  Thu May 24 21:16:18 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:16:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methods and Documents
Message-ID: <20010524221618.B823@nordine.ateur>

Hi,

I think that putting an HTML comment at the top of DTML Methods and DTML
Documents just like the one at the top of Python Scripts would be VERY 
useful. (at the bottom it would be useful too, I really don't care)

This comment would just give the object meta-type and the preferred 
object id.

This would allow for ZShell, and possibly other products or external software,
to dump (ZShell's dump command) and restore objects (ZShell's wget command)
transparently: 

Say I dump a DTML Method, it's saved as pure DTML source, 
because I just write the document_src() output to an external file.

Now I reload it into the ZODB using the wget command, which in fact
uses the mime type to determine what object type to create: 

There's a problem because it's impossible to differentiate a DTML 
Method from a DTML Document, because both are detected with the 
same mime type: text/html

So I think such a comment would help when importing objects into
the ZODB in unusual ways (not from the ZMI).

I've not yet tried using webdav or ftp with Zope, but I suppose
this would help there too.

Any comments ?

If you don't agree, please could you explain why ?

Thanks in advance.

Jerome Alet


From kosh@aesaeion.com  Thu May 24 21:23:51 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:23:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methods and
 Documents
In-Reply-To: <20010524221618.B823@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105241421530.600-100000@aesaeion.com>

I disagree with this idea a lot. Someone should not be able to view the
page source for the webpage and see the objects involved. I would rather
see this done using dtml-comments or information stuck in the property
sheets since that doesn't get sent to the web browser. Another reason not
to do this is if you have a page that gets composed of a hundred or more
objects having comments display for each on on the in the page source is a
fairly major amount of data sent to the web client for no purpose.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Jerome Alet wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think that putting an HTML comment at the top of DTML Methods and DTML
> Documents just like the one at the top of Python Scripts would be VERY
> useful. (at the bottom it would be useful too, I really don't care)
>
> This comment would just give the object meta-type and the preferred
> object id.
>
> This would allow for ZShell, and possibly other products or external software,
> to dump (ZShell's dump command) and restore objects (ZShell's wget command)
> transparently:
>
> Say I dump a DTML Method, it's saved as pure DTML source,
> because I just write the document_src() output to an external file.
>
> Now I reload it into the ZODB using the wget command, which in fact
> uses the mime type to determine what object type to create:
>
> There's a problem because it's impossible to differentiate a DTML
> Method from a DTML Document, because both are detected with the
> same mime type: text/html
>
> So I think such a comment would help when importing objects into
> the ZODB in unusual ways (not from the ZMI).
>
> I've not yet tried using webdav or ftp with Zope, but I suppose
> this would help there too.
>
> Any comments ?
>
> If you don't agree, please could you explain why ?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Jerome Alet
>
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From alet@unice.fr  Thu May 24 21:32:29 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:32:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methods and Documents
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105241421530.600-100000@aesaeion.com>; from kosh@aesaeion.com on Thu, May 24, 2001 at 02:23:51PM -0600
References: <20010524221618.B823@nordine.ateur> <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105241421530.600-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <20010524223229.B895@nordine.ateur>

On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 02:23:51PM -0600, kosh@aesaeion.com wrote:
> I disagree with this idea a lot. Someone should not be able to view the
> page source for the webpage and see the objects involved. I would rather
> see this done using dtml-comments or information stuck in the property
> sheets since that doesn't get sent to the web browser. Another reason not

in the property sheet it would be of no value, since external editors/tools 
can't deal with Zope's property sheets. I mean when you edit the raw object's
content, you must have something to say to Zope to import this
object as this meta-type when using special tools, and when you use the ZMI
you can always override this. But I don't want the comment to be really
present at the top of the document source, I just want Zope to add it
when downloading the source (so just in document_src())

> to do this is if you have a page that gets composed of a hundred or more
> objects having comments display for each on on the in the page source is a
> fairly major amount of data sent to the web client for no purpose.

think about Python Scripts: when you edit them the comment are not there,
but if you want to download the source, the comments are there AND USEFUL.

When you do View Source in your browser, it's different from 
calling document_src() on the server.

I really don't see any problem or difficulty there.

bye,

Jerome


From mark.langkau@pbmplus.com  Thu May 24 21:47:43 2001
From: mark.langkau@pbmplus.com (Mark Langkau)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:47:43 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
References: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICEEIFGHAA.lstafford@morphics.com> <3B0D5BE5.7462DAA0@pbmplus.com> <3B0D62E8.7EFBB017@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <3B0D736F.62FA8106@pbmplus.com>

Casey Duncan wrote:

> Mark Langkau wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Loren -
> >
> > I installed both of them yesterday, which is what started me down this path. I *really* like DocumentLibrary. I didn't see anything in either product for actually editing the document from within the
> > library though. (It's quite possible that I missed it - I'm just beginning to work with them)
>
> Yes, neither are really designed as collaborative tools like what you
> want.

However, what they ARE designed to do, really match several other needs we have. Thanks again.

> Wikis are collaborative, but very light on content formatting, heavier
> on the inter-document links. It would be a challenge (though not
> impossible) to make a single document from a Wiki.

I can see now where that (single document) would be a problem.

> Making a word document back out of the HTML/XML/DTML objects would
> probably be challenging. I think wvWare is beginning to support this
> however.

I think letting Word open a single resulting URL and saving it locally for final formatting would be good enough for our needs. Something like "rfp.our-site.net/rfp/rfp-for-client-twelve.html" where the
person doing the final formatting would grab it, save it as a Word doc, and fix it up locally on their PC.

> I think the complexity of this project depends on the sophistication of
> your users (do they know HTML/XML, do they need a WYSIWYG editor, or is
> structured text good enough?) and what capabilities you want in Zope to
> collaborate on these docs.

The users will be fairly unsophisticated. They would not know HTML/XML - structured text would be good enough. They will know how to use a web browser and fill out web forms and text boxes, but not much
beyond that. The important contribution from them will be the actual content they provide. Formatting would not be important.

> Perhaps there is a better network file system based solution already in
> existence?
>
> --
> | Casey Duncan
> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
> `------------------>

There is probably a very simple way to accomplish the end-goal, but I'm thinking in too many directions and making this more complex than it needs to be.

Cheers,
Mark



From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May 24 22:00:46 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:00:46 -0700
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methods and Documents
References: <20010524221618.B823@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <005601c0e494$9afc69a0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> I think that putting an HTML comment at the top of DTML Methods and DTML
> Documents just like the one at the top of Python Scripts would be VERY
> useful. (at the bottom it would be useful too, I really don't care)

Sorry I disagree.

> This comment would just give the object meta-type and the preferred
> object id.

Whats a preferred object id, is that different to the objects actual id?

> There's a problem because it's impossible to differentiate a DTML
> Method from a DTML Document, because both are detected with the
> same mime type: text/html

Yes but you can access the object's type through its meta_type. I think the
problem is you're trying to solve the inability of a client tool, by
fiddling with some of the base parts of zope objects. Yes some changes can
be made to Zope, but really its the client that needs fixing. What next,
would you want the comment to include property x? Then you have to change
the comments. Then a new object comes along and has to use these comments.

All these properties on an object are already available through many
different protocols, use one of them to find out what you want rather than
repeating data on an object.

Your analogy of writing comments in python script doesnt make sense since I
can write comments in a dtml method or document using <dtml-comment>.

Perhaps you are asking for something else?

--
  Andy McKay



From michel@digicool.com  Thu May 24 22:08:30 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:08:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methods and
 Documents
In-Reply-To: <20010524223229.B895@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105241405100.27367-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Jerome Alet wrote:

> think about Python Scripts: when you edit them the comment are not there,
> but if you want to download the source, the comments are there AND USEFUL.

but also syntactically correct and meaningful to python.  I can see
extending this into:

<dtml-comment>
Meta-Type: DTML Document
Property X: Foo
</dtml-comment>

at the beginning but that's rather baroque and akward.  Also, this would
just work for DTML content, what about future formats? Page templates?  
Perl scripts?  Sounds like we would need to reproduce this mechanism for
every language out there, and what happens when you have content that does
*not* have an explicit comment syntax, like structured text?  You'd have
to invent one, or wedge an existing one (like # python style
comments) into a format that wasn't intended to handle it.

-Michel




From craig.dunigan@esker.com  Thu May 24 22:10:41 2001
From: craig.dunigan@esker.com (Dunigan, Craig)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:10:41 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Tree tag cookie questions
Message-ID: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDFA3@EXCH-MDSN-USA>

At exactly what point does Zope send a cookie for the tree tag?  It seems
that it does so when the user expands or contracts the tree, but am I right
about that?  And does Zope save tree state for each and every page visited,
if they all have a tree?   In multiple cookies, or just one big cookie it
keeps modifying?  Is there perhaps a limit somewhere to how many tree states
Zope can save for a single session? 

Obviously, I'm having trouble with the tree tag behavior, but I might figure
it out on my own if I can get some of these answers.  Thanks.

Craig Dunigan
Web Programmer
Esker Software - Extending the Reach of Information
mailto:craig.dunigan@esker.com
Ph. 608.273.6000
Fax 608.273.8227
http://www.esker.com


From michel@digicool.com  Thu May 24 22:28:09 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:28:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Tree tag cookie questions
In-Reply-To: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDFA3@EXCH-MDSN-USA>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105241424580.27367-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Dunigan, Craig wrote:

> At exactly what point does Zope send a cookie for the tree tag?  It seems
> that it does so when the user expands or contracts the tree, but am I right
> about that? 

Yes anytime the visual state of the tree changes, it sends a new
value for the 'tree-s' cookie.

> And does Zope save tree state for each and every page visited,
> if they all have a tree? 

No, the *browser* saves the tree state.  That's what the cookie is for.

>  In multiple cookies, or just one big cookie it
> keeps modifying?

There is just one cookie named 'tree-s', and it can only hold the
state for one tree.  This is why you cannot have two trees in the same
document.

>  Is there perhaps a limit somewhere to how many tree states
> Zope can save for a single session? 

Once again, Zope doesn't save the state, that's what the cookie is for.

> Obviously, I'm having trouble with the tree tag behavior, but I might figure
> it out on my own if I can get some of these answers.  Thanks.

What's the trouble?  You haven't described your problem.

-Michel



From craig.dunigan@esker.com  Thu May 24 22:48:27 2001
From: craig.dunigan@esker.com (Dunigan, Craig)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:48:27 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Tree tag cookie questions
Message-ID: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDFA4@EXCH-MDSN-USA>

I realize that Zope doesn't save the tree state, but that the browser does,
sorry I wasn't clearer.  The problem is that we have many pages generating
what appears to the user to be the same tree, which of course it isn't.  I'm
using Yihaw, which gives me a 'Yihaw Folder' class that has an index_html
containing this code (I root the tree at BASE3 because that's where all the
Yihaw folders start living):

<dtml-tree expr="REQUEST.resolve_url(BASE3)"
branches_expr="objectValues('Yihaw Folder')" nowrap="1" sort="title">
  <a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"> 
    <img src="/Images/FolderIcon.gif" border="0">&nbsp;<b><dtml-var
title_or_id></b>
  </a>
</dtml-tree>

A user hits /folder1, generates a tree, modifies the tree state and gets a
cookie.  Then he hits one of the links above, goes to /folder1/folder2,
generates a new tree, but with the state saved in the cookie.  If he
modifies the tree state yet again, does he get a new cookie, obliterating
the previous tree state, or does the same cookie get modified, saying "for
page /folder1/index_html the tree state is 'x', for page
/folder1/folder2/index_html the tree state is 'y'?"  My users seem to expect
that they can return to a page and have whatever tree state they "saved" on
that page reappear, and reading what you just wrote, I don't think that's
true, is it?  Obviously, it isn't happening, but it _appears_ (key concept!)
that it is happening at some times and not others, and I'm trying to find
out if it _can't_ happen, or if I did something wrong.

Craig Dunigan
Web Programmer
Esker Software - Extending the Reach of Information
mailto:craig.dunigan@esker.com
Ph. 608.273.6000
Fax 608.273.8227
http://www.esker.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michel Pelletier [mailto:michel@digicool.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:28 PM
> To: Dunigan, Craig
> Cc: 'zope@zope.org'
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Tree tag cookie questions
> 
> 
> On Thu, 24 May 2001, Dunigan, Craig wrote:
> 
> > At exactly what point does Zope send a cookie for the tree 
> tag?  It seems
> > that it does so when the user expands or contracts the 
> tree, but am I right
> > about that? 
> 
> Yes anytime the visual state of the tree changes, it sends a new
> value for the 'tree-s' cookie.
> 
> > And does Zope save tree state for each and every page visited,
> > if they all have a tree? 
> 
> No, the *browser* saves the tree state.  That's what the 
> cookie is for.
> 
> >  In multiple cookies, or just one big cookie it
> > keeps modifying?
> 
> There is just one cookie named 'tree-s', and it can only hold the
> state for one tree.  This is why you cannot have two trees in the same
> document.
> 
> >  Is there perhaps a limit somewhere to how many tree states
> > Zope can save for a single session? 
> 
> Once again, Zope doesn't save the state, that's what the 
> cookie is for.
> 
> > Obviously, I'm having trouble with the tree tag behavior, 
> but I might figure
> > it out on my own if I can get some of these answers.  Thanks.
> 
> What's the trouble?  You haven't described your problem.
> 
> -Michel
> 


From alet@unice.fr  Thu May 24 22:55:13 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:55:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methods and Documents
In-Reply-To: <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOKEEIDIAA.drees@the-bridge.net>; from drees@the-bridge.net on Thu, May 24, 2001 at 04:02:49PM -0500
References: <20010524223229.B895@nordine.ateur> <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOKEEIDIAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <20010524235512.A1274@nordine.ateur>

On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 04:02:49PM -0500, Steve Drees wrote:
> Perhaps you could modify your dump command to get the meta type
> Write it out in a <dtml-comment></dtml-comment>
> And then dump the results of document_src()
> This wouldn't require a change to Zope.
> Just to ZShell

Of course I could do that in approximately 5 minutes.

However the dump or even ZShell is not the problem, 
this was just a bad example.

Say I edit some DTML Method from scratch with emacs (or any other 
tool which don't know anything about Zope), now I want to put 
it into the ZODB, but not using the zope's management interface, 
for example using ZShell's wget command or another yet to be released
tool (or maybe FTP I don't know)

Then during the upload, Zope can't decide automatically what the object
meta type will be, and will make a guess which is bad in 50% of the cases:
either it's a DTML Method, or it's a DTML Document, and both will
be detected with a text/html mime type.

talking about information redundancy, please explain why a Python Script
contains it's meta type in a comment at its top ! It has no meaning
to Zope, because you can't upload and use other types of Python source 
inside Zope (you don't upload products or external methods), and it has
no meaning to Python or any text editor out there. 

That's why I think my suggestion is just as bad as this Python Script 
comment: Why don't you do it in DTML objects too ?

(to push it further: uploading a structured text document, the mime type 
will be recognized as text/plain anyway, and the meta type will be File, 
I mean when not using the ZMI)
 
> Then you could modify wget to make use of this comment when importing.

Again, it's a five minutes job to modify ZShell to do that, but I 
wanted a more general solution in order for everybody to be able 
to use it with non Zope-aware software.

Hoping this clarifies what i want.

bye,

Jerome Alet



From lstafford@morphics.com  Thu May 24 23:03:48 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:03:48 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
In-Reply-To: <3B0D62E8.7EFBB017@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICOEIMGHAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

There's a recent thread "Versioned Documents" on zope-CMF@zope.org that you
may be interested in as well.

CMF and collaborative documentation would seem to go well together.

-- Loren



From corin@sdo.net  Thu May 24 22:59:02 2001
From: corin@sdo.net (Corin Royal Drummond)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:59:02 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Why no properties, just views for objects on win32 Zope 2.3.2?
Message-ID: <NFBBKOGFELKHOHGNNLAICECACBAA.corin@sdo.net>

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Comrades,

I've just installed win32 Zope 2.3.2 as a service on NT 2000 Pro(and I also
manually started it on Win 98).  Problem is when I click on an object like
"standard_html_header" in the management interface, I just get the view of
the object, not it's properties.  No tabs, no opportunity to manipulate the
object, just the rendered page as though I'd clicked on the view tab.

Everything works normally on my linux box, so what's up with Win32 Zope?
Any ideas?

Thanks in advance Zopians.

Corin
|-Corin Royal Drummond
|-Operations Director
|-SDO.NET Web Development Studio



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From andy@dustman.net  Thu May 24 23:01:43 2001
From: andy@dustman.net (Andy Dustman)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:01:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] MySQLdb-0.9.0c2 and ZMySQLDA-2.0.7b1 co-release
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105241746430.15344-100000@kenny.comstar.net>

The final (I hope) candidate release for MySQLdb-0.9.0 is out. I hope to
push out the real 0.9.0 some time next week. In addition, ZMySQLDA-2.0.7b1
is also out. It needs MySQLdb-0.9.0, if you hadn't already guessed. I'd
also like to do a 2.0.7 release next week as well. I'd appreciate some
testing and feedback, even if it's just "Worked fine for me". Please
notify me of any bad behavior.

Summary of major changes:

MySQLdb: Is now a true package format. This results in some minor
incompatibilities with earlier versions, though if you stick with using
the DB API, you shouldn't have to change anything. If you are creating
your own type converters or special cursors, then you might need to make a
few changes. Fully documented in the source for use with pydoc (in Python
2.1). The external documentation has been expanded to include some
instructive examples. With the release of MySQL-Max (the binary package
with BDB and InnoDB table support), I have been able to do some real
testing with transactions, and everything looks ok. Binary packages for
Python 1.5.2 and 2.1 are available (tarball and RPM).

ZMySQLDA: Most of the updates are behind the scene so that it will work
with 0.9.0. A + or - at the beginning of the connection string will now
either force transactions on or off. It tries to return INTEGER columns as
Python integers; if this fails (i.e. column is really UNSIGNED INT), they
are returned as longs. This eliminates the trailing L's for the most part,
even though this should not be an issue with Zope 2.4 since it uses Python
2.1, which does not add the L on str().

Note that if you are using a pre-compiled Zope binary package, you will
need to relocate MySQLdb so that Zope's Python interpreter can find it. If
compiling yourself, you can probably do:

python setup.py install --prefix /path/to/zope

(for more options, try: python setup.py install --help)

https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=22307

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From michel@digicool.com  Thu May 24 23:09:16 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:09:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Tree tag cookie questions
In-Reply-To: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDFA4@EXCH-MDSN-USA>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105241505150.27367-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Dunigan, Craig wrote:

> <dtml-tree expr="REQUEST.resolve_url(BASE3)"

You shouldn't use REQUEST.resolve_url.  Use restrictedTraverse instead.

> branches_expr="objectValues('Yihaw Folder')" nowrap="1" sort="title">
>   <a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"> 
>     <img src="/Images/FolderIcon.gif" border="0">&nbsp;<b><dtml-var
> title_or_id></b>
>   </a>
> </dtml-tree>
> 
> A user hits /folder1, generates a tree, modifies the tree state and gets a
> cookie.  Then he hits one of the links above, goes to /folder1/folder2,
> generates a new tree, but with the state saved in the cookie.  If he
> modifies the tree state yet again, does he get a new cookie, obliterating
> the previous tree state, or does the same cookie get modified, saying "for
> page /folder1/index_html the tree state is 'x', for page
> /folder1/folder2/index_html the tree state is 'y'?"

The former: the old cookie gets obliterated.  There is only one 'tree-s'
cookie, and it can only hold the state for one tree, the last tree viewed
by the user.

> My users seem to expect
> that they can return to a page and have whatever tree state they "saved" on
> that page reappear, and reading what you just wrote, I don't think that's
> true, is it? 

Nope.

> Obviously, it isn't happening, but it _appears_ (key concept!)
> that it is happening at some times and not others, and I'm trying to find
> out if it _can't_ happen, or if I did something wrong.

When it apears to happen, it may just be a caching issue.

I'm sure you could try and extend the tree cookie to be more
all-encompasing as you described above.  This would have the upshot of
allowing two trees on the same page.

-Michel



From tismer@tismer.com  Thu May 24 23:13:54 2001
From: tismer@tismer.com (Christian Tismer)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:13:54 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app w/ Zope
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B332@desi2>
Message-ID: <3B0D87A2.E5BC1515@tismer.com>


sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> 
> As a former VCL and OWL programmer, I have a bit of an affinity towards that
> way of doing things; the catch is of course, given I mainly do server-side
> development now (and frankly, it makes no sense to do non-client development
> in non-open tools, for the most part), I don't have the interest, or the
> money to keep paying Borland for upgrades every time the release a new
> version of Kylix/Delphi/Whatever; I stopped playing that game at about BCPP
> 3 after going from TP1.5->Delphi2->BCPP 3.  I could only afford the decent
> versions of those tools when I was a student and had access to academic
> pricing at the campus bookstore, and now that I don't I do work in free
> tools, and get more satisfaction out of it.  Kylix still has too high of a
> barrier to entry for most developers to even be considered for any
> open-source development.

I see your point, partially. But is the problem with server-side
development? I wouldn't consider to do anything in Kylix on the server
side. We are talking abount a GUI, which is the only reason to move away
from Python at all.

What I'm thinking of is: We can build a generic application using
Kylix or Delphi, which has all the components in it, which are
needed so far. They could be made higly configurable, and finally,
that Kylix app would be like a toolkit, like wxPython is. It would
be compiled once, and the executable would be freely available.
Applications for this tool would then we written in Python,
completely. It would configure that generic app. With this cheap
trick, Kylix would be turned into a generic GUI builder tool,
at no cost.

> wxPython has definitely rekindled my interest in doing some desktop
> development, with the idea that Zope would provide a good middleware suite /
> backend for those kind of apps.  I can't wait to see what the
> Boa-Constructor people have been doing...
> 
> If I could get the ability to have a tool like Delphi, et al and be able to
> code in Python, and use Zope as an object brokering system for a backend -
> and have it all free - I would be very willing to give up sleeping and
> eating just to code more ;)

My proposal is to use Delphi, and build a tool with it which is like
Delphi. The task would be just to write such an app, not too hard
probably. Delphi is written in itself, as you know.
I have already written some generic application with about 20 generic
widgets, which are all configurable at runtime. And Delphi is able
to produce .dfm files at runtime and to read them back in.
It is so self-contained that it is somehow waiting to be stolen
as a generic app framework. I'm wondering why nobody does it.

Maybe I should do this now.

ciao - chris

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From tismer@tismer.com  Thu May 24 23:20:02 2001
From: tismer@tismer.com (Christian Tismer)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:20:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app w/ Zope
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B332@desi2> <3B0D87A2.E5BC1515@tismer.com>
Message-ID: <3B0D8912.719DD4CC@tismer.com>


Christian Tismer wrote:
...
> My proposal is to use Delphi, and build a tool with it which is like
> Delphi. The task would be just to write such an app, not too hard
> probably. Delphi is written in itself, as you know.
> I have already written some generic application with about 20 generic
> widgets, which are all configurable at runtime. And Delphi is able
> to produce .dfm files at runtime and to read them back in.
> It is so self-contained that it is somehow waiting to be stolen
> as a generic app framework. I'm wondering why nobody does it.
> 
> Maybe I should do this now.

Errhmm, can it be that exactly this is forbidden by Inprise?
I somehow remember that I've read some statement that I may
not use Delphi to code a Delphi-like IDE.
Did I dream, or is it true?

anxiously - chris

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From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 24 23:38:37 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:38:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Why no properties, just views for objects on win32 Zope
 2.3.2?
References: <NFBBKOGFELKHOHGNNLAICECACBAA.corin@sdo.net>
Message-ID: <3B0D8D6D.A999E8C9@digicool.com>

Use a different (more recent) version of IE or use Netscape.  This is a
FAQ.

> Corin Royal Drummond wrote:
> 
> Comrades,
> 
> I've just installed win32 Zope 2.3.2 as a service on NT 2000 Pro(and I
> also manually started it on Win 98).  Problem is when I click on an
> object like "standard_html_header" in the management interface, I just
> get the view of the object, not it's properties.  No tabs, no
> opportunity to manipulate the object, just the rendered page as though
> I'd clicked on the view tab.
> 
> Everything works normally on my linux box, so what's up with Win32
> Zope?  Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks in advance Zopians.
> 
> Corin
> 
> |-Corin Royal Drummond
> |-Operations Director
> |-SDO.NET Web Development Studio
> 
>


From leighann@onebox.com  Thu May 24 23:40:09 2001
From: leighann@onebox.com (Leigh Ann Hildebrand)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:40:09 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZSearch Results Calling URL?
Message-ID: <20010524224009.VBNZ18323.mta09.onebox.com@onebox.com>

I'm modifying the standard ZSearch results and having problems calling
object URLS using DTML. 

I'm doing a search of documents. The standard search results include
<dtml-var title> in the table. I'd like that title to be a link to the
document itself. However, various methods I've tried end up returning
the URL as the Results page itself, not the document page:

<td><a href="<dtml-var absolute_url>"><dtml-var title></a></td>

...does it, as does plain <dtml-var URL>, etc. 

How do I specify "URL of the thing that you're giving me the title of"
in this situation? 

Thanks!

Leigh Ann

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From bill@libc.org  Thu May 24 23:54:26 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 24 May 2001 16:54:26 -0600
Subject: [Zope] time formatting
In-Reply-To: <210310000.990643933@localhost.localdomain>
References: <210310000.990643933@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <990744866.1928.0.camel@locutus>

On 23 May 2001 14:52:13 -0400, ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
> 
> > Who, apart from the Americans, uses that format?
> > I only ask 'cos I'm interested :-)
> 
> CMF uses YYYY-MM-DD because it uses dublin core, IIRC.
> 
> Americans use MM-DD-YYY because they're dreadfully brain damaged in every 
> aspect of measurement.
> 
> I can't ever get MM-DD or DD-MM right after living on both sides of the 
> pond so I just use ISO.

With  all my time in the Military (US), I got used to '01 jan 2001'
myself. I like it today for it's clarity. Kinda obvious what month, day
and year it is. ;)

Bill





From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Thu May 24 23:58:29 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:58:29 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app w/ Zope
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B337@desi2>

Keep it simple; I don't think a non-python and/or non-free solution would
mesh well enough for new users of Zope, supposing that all of the sudden, it
became a popular tool for GUI-based enterprise applications.

Uh, if you are going to create a framework of python classes to do UI stuff,
why base it on a foundation of Kylix?  Its not true x-platform at all and
even if you used it to create a "free" (whatever that means) toolkit you
just add library bloat by having to support toolkits on top of toolkits on
top of toolkits, none of which are free.  

I love Python enough to not want to move away from coding in it, even for a
GUI app.  I want Borland-style RAD to do this, but I'm willing to wait until
I get it free, and in Python (i.e. Boa-Constructor).  In the meantime, I can
code in wxPython, and have nice looking apps with themed GTK widgets
displayed under X, and expect that all this will run on Win32 as well - all
at no cost to me as a developer (money doesn't grow on trees, for me at
least) and no cost to users as well.

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by an application as a toolkit?
That doesn't make sense to me: function libraries are toolkits; class
libraries are toolkits.  Running all this within an app sounds like the
functional equivalent of running GW basic code under DOS on a 8086: you are
forced to run apps inside an interpreter, there is no runtime, and this is
not transparent to the user.  Why force this kind of complication?  To
produce an IDE that won't create standalone applications, let alone ones
that use simple, freely available toolkits?

FYI, Inprise EULAs forbid creating competing products; for example, during
the days when Borland marketed Paradox, they explitly forbit Delphi
developers from using the BDE to create general-purpose database app
workalikes to Borland products.

Anyway, this is making the problem more complex than it needs to be; the
only value Kylix has is as a RAD tool; it has no value for creating toolkits
for development without the closed RAD tool, so what's the point? 

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Tismer [mailto:tismer@tismer.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:14 PM
To: sean.upton@uniontrib.com
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app
w/ Zope




sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
> 
> As a former VCL and OWL programmer, I have a bit of an affinity towards
that
> way of doing things; the catch is of course, given I mainly do server-side
> development now (and frankly, it makes no sense to do non-client
development
> in non-open tools, for the most part), I don't have the interest, or the
> money to keep paying Borland for upgrades every time the release a new
> version of Kylix/Delphi/Whatever; I stopped playing that game at about
BCPP
> 3 after going from TP1.5->Delphi2->BCPP 3.  I could only afford the decent
> versions of those tools when I was a student and had access to academic
> pricing at the campus bookstore, and now that I don't I do work in free
> tools, and get more satisfaction out of it.  Kylix still has too high of a
> barrier to entry for most developers to even be considered for any
> open-source development.

I see your point, partially. But is the problem with server-side
development? I wouldn't consider to do anything in Kylix on the server
side. We are talking abount a GUI, which is the only reason to move away
from Python at all.

What I'm thinking of is: We can build a generic application using
Kylix or Delphi, which has all the components in it, which are
needed so far. They could be made higly configurable, and finally,
that Kylix app would be like a toolkit, like wxPython is. It would
be compiled once, and the executable would be freely available.
Applications for this tool would then we written in Python,
completely. It would configure that generic app. With this cheap
trick, Kylix would be turned into a generic GUI builder tool,
at no cost.

> wxPython has definitely rekindled my interest in doing some desktop
> development, with the idea that Zope would provide a good middleware suite
/
> backend for those kind of apps.  I can't wait to see what the
> Boa-Constructor people have been doing...
> 
> If I could get the ability to have a tool like Delphi, et al and be able
to
> code in Python, and use Zope as an object brokering system for a backend -
> and have it all free - I would be very willing to give up sleeping and
> eating just to code more ;)

My proposal is to use Delphi, and build a tool with it which is like
Delphi. The task would be just to write such an app, not too hard
probably. Delphi is written in itself, as you know.
I have already written some generic application with about 20 generic
widgets, which are all configurable at runtime. And Delphi is able
to produce .dfm files at runtime and to read them back in.
It is so self-contained that it is somehow waiting to be stolen
as a generic app framework. I'm wondering why nobody does it.

Maybe I should do this now.

ciao - chris

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From Bruce@EckelObjects.com  Fri May 25 00:05:13 2001
From: Bruce@EckelObjects.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:05:13 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop
 app w/ Zope
In-Reply-To: <3B0D8912.719DD4CC@tismer.com>
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B332@desi2>
 <3B0D87A2.E5BC1515@tismer.com>
 <3B0D8912.719DD4CC@tismer.com>
Message-ID: <200105241605130440.01823BD7@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>

That was a long time ago. They had something in their
contract which said that, and the reason you remember it
was that there was a bit of a hullabaloo among the Delphi
developers. Borland rethought it and decided it wasn't
really necessary, and when they announced it at the
conference everyone cheered. But since then (and it was
several years ago) no one that I know of has created such
an IDE, so I think it was a pretty safe decision.

I've cc'ed my friend Marco Cantu who might have some other
input or ideas about this. He knows Delphi better than
anyone I know.

With Kylix, you could have a nice cross-platform solution.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 5/25/01 at 12:20 AM Christian Tismer wrote:

>Christian Tismer wrote:
>...
>> My proposal is to use Delphi, and build a tool with it
which is like
>> Delphi. The task would be just to write such an app, not
too hard
>> probably. Delphi is written in itself, as you know.
>> I have already written some generic application with
about 20 generic
>> widgets, which are all configurable at runtime. And
Delphi is able
>> to produce .dfm files at runtime and to read them back
in.
>> It is so self-contained that it is somehow waiting to be
stolen
>> as a generic app framework. I'm wondering why nobody
does it.
>> 
>> Maybe I should do this now.
>
>Errhmm, can it be that exactly this is forbidden by
Inprise?
>I somehow remember that I've read some statement that I
may
>not use Delphi to code a Delphi-like IDE.
>Did I dream, or is it true?
>
>anxiously - chris
>
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From kentsin@macau.ctm.net  Thu May 24 23:58:44 2001
From: kentsin@macau.ctm.net (Sin Hang Kin)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 06:58:44 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Using Zope for Document Collaboration
References: <E1533o4-0001YW-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c0e4a5$2bf531c0$0e0da8c0@bbs>

One observation is that web based editing is not user-friend. "Time-out"
will be very inconvient to users. WEBDAV might provide a better solution.

It will be convient to have a MS-WORD object which can expose section, page,
paragraph, etc as its sub-object.

It does not solve the problem of versioning and edit conflict yet. Pulling
cvs into the scene is very suitable, but you have the train the users to
work with it. In a lower service level, you may consider looking documents
and record the current owner. When a protected document is requested by
another user, his request will be refused and he can check the system to see
who is working on it. You may also put a unlock machenism periodically say
for a lock can only hold for one week and the system will unlock the
document and sent the lock owner a email about it.

Rgs.
Kent Sin




From tismer@tismer.com  Fri May 25 00:08:57 2001
From: tismer@tismer.com (Christian Tismer)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:08:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app w/ Zope
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B337@desi2>
Message-ID: <3B0D9489.B8C4E185@tismer.com>


sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
...
> I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by an application as a toolkit?

I don't say why you say this: Below, you prove that you do understand me.

> That doesn't make sense to me: function libraries are toolkits; class
> libraries are toolkits.  Running all this within an app sounds like the
> functional equivalent of running GW basic code under DOS on a 8086: you are
> forced to run apps inside an interpreter, there is no runtime, and this is
> not transparent to the user.  Why force this kind of complication?  To
> produce an IDE that won't create standalone applications, let alone ones
> that use simple, freely available toolkits?
> 
> FYI, Inprise EULAs forbid creating competing products; for example, during
> the days when Borland marketed Paradox, they explitly forbit Delphi
> developers from using the BDE to create general-purpose database app
> workalikes to Borland products.

This is what I meant: If it is forbidden to do this, than you can trash
my proposal.

> Anyway, this is making the problem more complex than it needs to be; the
> only value Kylix has is as a RAD tool; it has no value for creating toolkits
> for development without the closed RAD tool, so what's the point?

The point is that creating the RAD tool would be not so hard.
But if it isn't allowed, there is no point.

Well, but what is a competing product? Is a free tool a competition to
a product which has to be bought?
And I'm not going to write a competitor for Kylix, just a general GUI
framework. The programming language is pure Python. Hee, hee.

ciao - chris

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From luke@seeto.com  Fri May 25 01:30:02 2001
From: luke@seeto.com (Luke Tymowski)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:30:02 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop app w/ Zope
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B337@desi2>
Message-ID: <20010525002948.24D3E1E001@helena.seeto.com>

Hello,

For those interested in Kylix, Borland has just dropped the price of the 
Desktop version from $999 US to $200 US. 
http://shop.borland.com/Category/0,1257,3-15-1080,00.html

I work at a Delphi shop and Kylix is quite nice. I installed it and 
played with it briefly.

But it's a bad choice for building a Zope IDE because ... it's x86-only 
and only Windows or Linux.

Those of us who use MacOS X or OpenBSD are out in the cold.

The beauty of developing with Zope is that it runs on just about 
anything Unixish. Using Kylix would take that advantage away.

Luke


From yjy@kldp.org  Fri May 25 01:41:00 2001
From: yjy@kldp.org (YOON, Joo-Yung)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:41:00 +0900
Subject: [Zope] [Q] thread option in Python
Message-ID: <20010525094100.A14888@kldp.org>

I built zope from source, but it acts strange.
When I make any change in the Zope management screen, it works, but
I can not see the change (e.g. newly added folder) on the screen.
So, I would like to know what happens to Zope if Python was not built with
--with-thread option.

joo-yung


From evan@4-am.com  Fri May 25 03:03:42 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:03:42 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Tree tag cookie questions
References: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDFA4@EXCH-MDSN-USA>
Message-ID: <002701c0e4be$ece9fa50$0100a8c0@ehome>

From: "Dunigan, Craig" <craig.dunigan@esker.com>
> that they can return to a page and have whatever tree state they "saved"
on
> that page reappear, and reading what you just wrote, I don't think that's
> true, is it?  Obviously, it isn't happening, but it _appears_ (key
concept!)
> that it is happening at some times and not others, and I'm trying to find
> out if it _can't_ happen, or if I did something wrong.

As Michel explains in another email, the same cookie is used by all
instances of the Tree tag, so there can effectively only be one tree state
per site per browser.  You could get around this by hacking the Tree tag, or
by trying out the generic TreeMaker class from ZTUtils.  It doesn't have all
of the features of the Tree tag yet, but it has enough that I was able to
write an example using Page Templates that works just like the standard Zope
management tree.  Unfortunately, that example is about all the documentation
it has.  If you're interested, check out http://www.zope.org/Members/4am/ZPT

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From evan@4-am.com  Fri May 25 03:11:21 2001
From: evan@4-am.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:11:21 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methods andDocuments
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105241405100.27367-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <002f01c0e4bf$fe8465b0$0100a8c0@ehome>

From: "Michel Pelletier" <michel@digicool.com>
> but also syntactically correct and meaningful to python.  I can see
> extending this into:
>
> <dtml-comment>
> Meta-Type: DTML Document
> Property X: Foo
> </dtml-comment>
>
> at the beginning but that's rather baroque and akward.  Also, this would
> just work for DTML content, what about future formats? Page templates?

Page Templates already have something like this, at least when there are
errors.  Compile-time and macro errors are inserted into the source text as
specially formatted HTML comments, and stripped out when the text is saved
to Zope.  It would be a small step from there to what Jerome is describing.
I've already changed Zope 2.4 Scripts to do the same with their errors, and
was considering extending it to DTML.  It is extremely handy when you're
forced to deal with the complexities of an object database as though it were
a filesystem.

Scanning every arbitrary text block saved as a new Zope object through FTP
or WebDAV for every possible variant of this scheme could become unwieldy,
but maybe not.  Combine it with extension-based discrimination, and a PUT
factory, and it wouldn't be so bad.

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool & 4-am



From yjy@kldp.org  Fri May 25 03:27:44 2001
From: yjy@kldp.org (YOON, Joo-Yung)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:27:44 +0900
Subject: [Zope] [Q] manager account
Message-ID: <20010525112744.A14921@kldp.org>

I installed Zope, and logged in as admin with the password
given at the installation time.
And made a manager account, and restarted the browser,
and zope, too.
But I can not log in with the new manager account.

Is there any body that can give me any idea?

Joo-Yung


From chrism@digicool.com  Fri May 25 03:44:57 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:44:57 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [Q] manager account
References: <20010525112744.A14921@kldp.org>
Message-ID: <3B0DC729.383A3D3C@digicool.com>

There's been a few times when folks haven't actually *selected* the
"manager" role in the multiselect box before saving a newly added
management user... it's not enough to see the role in the box, you need
to click it before you save.. make sure you've done this..

HTH,

- C


"YOON, Joo-Yung" wrote:
> 
> I installed Zope, and logged in as admin with the password
> given at the installation time.
> And made a manager account, and restarted the browser,
> and zope, too.
> But I can not log in with the new manager account.
> 
> Is there any body that can give me any idea?
> 
> Joo-Yung
> 
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From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Fri May 25 03:52:22 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:52:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methods and Documents
References: <20010524223229.B895@nordine.ateur> <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOKEEIDIAA.drees@the-bridge.net> <20010524235512.A1274@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <002601c0e4c5$b9c72420$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

Jerome

Please correct me if I misunderstand your idea and its scope..

1. You want to embed meta_data header comments inside Zope files just as
Python encourages doc strings

2. This is allows much more flexible Zope workflow because a wider arrange
of tools and paradigms can be used: ZODB/Zope ones as well as external
flat-file style apps [Editors, Dreamweaver, wxyzIDE, ZShell, Smart-Clients,
Flash front ends, XML-RPC tools, etc..]

3. These embedded meda_type data comments wodl faciliate meta_methods = a
fancy name for methods aimed at auto-processing and handling of filse which
inlcude this information.

...It sounds wonderful to me.

Over time this could help to make Zope much more self-administering.
Especially as it extends to include more media filetypes, special documents,
XML formats etc.. Zope's basis as a publishing framework really begs to go
beyond its own current meta_types. But the process still seems way too adhoc
and need too much manual attention. Thre are some contexts where one might
want ot store media fiesl in the ZODB up to cettain size or wher they are
known to be static, while at a certain point they need to migrate to
LocalFS, ExtFile/Image etc. Documents are the same.

One might want to initialize a  site with dummy 'stub' files and document
types, then use 'meta_methods' to load and manage the current data/media,
based on higher level custom programs and conditions.

An interesting example of a Product which would help and be helped is
DocumentLibrary:
http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/DocumentLibrary

./Jason




From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Fri May 25 03:59:30 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:59:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [Q] manager account
References: <20010525112744.A14921@kldp.org> <3B0DC729.383A3D3C@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <003801c0e4c6$b8a5b920$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>


> There's been a few times when folks haven't actually *selected* the
> "manager" role in the multiselect box before saving a newly added
> management user... it's not enough to see the role in the box, you need
> to click it before you save.. make sure you've done this..

I think this is common enough mistake, that it's worth adding an instructive
warning right next to the 'Roles' list in the AddUser DTML form:

You must select at least one Role type from this list.
User login will not work with out this.

...or somethnig like that

./Jason



From marc@bowery.com  Fri May 25 04:11:10 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:11:10 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methods
 and Documents
In-Reply-To: <002601c0e4c5$b9c72420$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <B733458D.2DD3E%marc@bowery.com>


> From: "Jason Cunliffe" <jasonic@nomadicsltd.com>
>
> Thre are some contexts where one might
> want ot store media fiesl in the ZODB up to cettain size or wher they are
> known to be static, while at a certain point they need to migrate to
> LocalFS, ExtFile/Image etc. Documents are the same.

I think this is heading in the wrong direction.... ZODB isn't magic, and
neither is Persistence, they're both controllable.  There was a discussion a
while back about 'fine grained pack' of the ZODB -- that would really be a
great feature, and it seems there's some work going on in that area.
Perhaps each object could have a pack(date) method.  But aside from that,
the only clear need I've seen for external storage is external (outside
zope) access, which is a requirement independent of size or number of
files...



From yjy@kldp.org  Fri May 25 04:19:05 2001
From: yjy@kldp.org (arbago)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:19:05 +0900
Subject: [Zope] [Q] ZServer unhandled connect event?
Message-ID: <SAK.2001.05.25.jbimkafk@bipa>

01-05-25 ¿ÀÈÄ 12:16:19
I got an error message after I made a trial connection to zope
in the local net.  Then there came an error message like this.
2001-05-25T02:52:11 PROBLEM(100) ZServer unhandled connect event.
I am using zope-2-3-2 under AMD486 and debian potato.

Joo-Yung



From tav" <tav@espnow.com  Fri May 25 05:10:51 2001
From: tav" <tav@espnow.com (tav)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 05:10:51 +0100
Subject: [Zope] finding out if a specific user / group has a specific permission
Message-ID: <014d01c0e4d0$af96a5b0$de30fea9@arkady>

scenario: i am logged in as 'tav' and would like to know if 'Anonymous User'
has permission to view the current object...

i can find out if the current user has a specific permission:

    <dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_permission('xt_object view',this())">

but, this does, in no way tell me if an Anonymous User can...

i would appreciate some guidance. thanks

--
best regards, tav
tav@espnow.com



From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Fri May 25 05:29:31 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:29:31 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methodsand Documents
References: <B733458D.2DD3E%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c0e4d3$4b6de6e0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

> > Thre are some contexts where one might
> > want ot store media fiesl in the ZODB up to cettain size or wher they
are
> > known to be static, while at a certain point they need to migrate to
> > LocalFS, ExtFile/Image etc. Documents are the same.
>
> I think this is heading in the wrong direction.... ZODB isn't magic, and
> neither is Persistence, they're both controllable.  There was a discussion
a
> while back about 'fine grained pack' of the ZODB -- that would really be a
> great feature, and it seems there's some work going on in that area.
> Perhaps each object could have a pack(date) method.  But aside from that,
> the only clear need I've seen for external storage is external (outside
> zope) access, which is a requirement independent of size or number of
> files...


Please clarify for me then..

ZODB is best when:
- There are more  READs than WRITEs.
Because of 'Undo', WRITE intensive designs will swell ZODB too quickly

External Storage is best
- There are frequent WRITEs.

- Very Large Files, or files which start off small and become very large
later, [Digital Video for example]. These couild more quickly combine to tip
ZODB past 2Gb limit [not a problem everywhere]

- Sharing data with others applications, sharing with Apache, whatever

- Need to leverage directly the filesystem's permissions [Linux & family]

What do you think?

./Jason



From tim@freepm.org  Fri May 25 05:28:27 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:28:27 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZSearch Results Calling URL?
References: <20010524224009.VBNZ18323.mta09.onebox.com@onebox.com>
Message-ID: <3B0DDF6B.32EBB053@iswt.com>

Leigh Ann Hildebrand wrote:
> 
> I'm modifying the standard ZSearch results and having problems calling
> object URLS using DTML.
> 
> I'm doing a search of documents. The standard search results include
> <dtml-var title> in the table. I'd like that title to be a link to the
> document itself. However, various methods I've tried end up returning
> the URL as the Results page itself, not the document page:
> 
> <td><a href="<dtml-var absolute_url>"><dtml-var title></a></td>
> 
> ...does it, as does plain <dtml-var URL>, etc.
> 
> How do I specify "URL of the thing that you're giving me the title of"
> in this situation?

Try:
<a href="<dtml-var "Catalog.getpath(data_record_id_)">"><dtml-var
title></a>
See the ZCatalog API documentation.


http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/SearchingZCatalog.dtml
also mentions creating a meta_data column for absolute_url but
this seems like a waste of space to me?

HTH,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From michel@digicool.com  Fri May 25 05:43:53 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:43:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] ZSearch Results Calling URL?
In-Reply-To: <3B0DDF6B.32EBB053@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105242140010.3196-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Tim Cook wrote:

> Leigh Ann Hildebrand wrote:
> >
> > I'm modifying the standard ZSearch results and having problems calling
> > object URLS using DTML.
> >
> > I'm doing a search of documents. The standard search results include
> > <dtml-var title> in the table. I'd like that title to be a link to the
> > document itself. However, various methods I've tried end up returning
> > the URL as the Results page itself, not the document page:
> >
> > <td><a href="<dtml-var absolute_url>"><dtml-var title></a></td>

Let me guess, you don't have a meta-data table column named
'absolute_url', do you?  If you did, this would work.  But don't add one
because there's a better way.

> > ...does it, as does plain <dtml-var URL>, etc.
> >
> > How do I specify "URL of the thing that you're giving me the title of"
> > in this situation?
>
> Try:
> <a href="<dtml-var "Catalog.getpath(data_record_id_)">"><dtml-var
> title></a>
> See the ZCatalog API documentation.

This works too, but 2.3 added new interfaces to brains:

<td><a href="<dtml-var getURL>">... is the best way.

-Michel

PS there's also getPath, getRID, and getObject.



From michel@digicool.com  Fri May 25 05:25:14 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:25:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ZEO Client space was: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE,
 or any  desktop app w/Zope
In-Reply-To: <3B0DD0A1.60938FC1@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105242050340.3196-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Tim Cook wrote:

> Michel Pelletier wrote:
>
> > XMLRPC could do this, but I'm afraid it would be seriously
> > limited.  XMLRPC is very useful, but it does not map as well as it could
> > onto the python object model.  I would prefer to see a GUI client running
> > in the same process space as a ZEO client, this way the GUI client could
> > do everything that Zope could do and re-use alot of the existing
> > interfaces (like security, acquisition, script objects, etc).
> >
>
> Michel,
> I took this off list because it was off topic for the thread. But
> feel free to Cc it back if you feel it's important.  I think it
> was covered a few weeks ago on the -dev list but couldn't locate
> it.

It's not off topic so I'm cc:ing the list.

> Anyway, the question is: I thought I had read that using ZEO
> basically by-passed the Zope security model? Maybe I was thinking
> of direct ZODB access?

This is a good question.

Using ZEO does bypass the Zope security model, but then again, Zope
bypasses the Zope security model.  Zope is, essentially, a client that
implements an application on top of a persistent database.  Why can't your
client do the same thing?  Zope enforces security upon its users using
tested, re-usable interfaces.

You're should essentially change the user interface to the Zope core code
by making it call wxPython widgets or whatever instead of spewing HTML to
a browser over a socket.  If this GUIfied ZEO client ran on the same
machine as the server, it would actually be safer than a "real" Zope
ZEO client, which is exposed to the web.

We use ZEO clients to access Zope through many different interfaces, not
necessarily all of them over a network, or running in a context we don't
trust.  We use ZEO clients to debug zope from the command line, to serve
just FTP or a monitor server, and each different way of doingit is just a
shim on top of the core Zope interfaces.

By going with xml-rpc, you'll be shoving *very* rich interface semantics
of a full blown windowing sytem down the tiny semantic straw of xml-rpc,
to try and manipulate interfaces that were originally indented to be used
by medium to poor semantic HTML interfaces.  If you use a ZEO client,
there are no bottle necks.  You could render the object system in 3D
OpenGL if you wanted to, and still enforce the user.

Jerome's ZShell script shows how this can be done safely.  His shell is
essentialy just another interface to the Zope core code.  It would be very
dangerous if it did not use Zope's security API to restrict its actions.

In zshell's case, the interface is really simple, a command line. It is
probably not as safe to to grant access to this command line over
unprotected networks. and it would be unsafe to expose a GUIfied ZEO
client to unprotected networks, but this is easily mitigatable with things
like ssh or ssl.

-Michel




From lstaffor@dynalogic.com  Fri May 25 06:29:22 2001
From: lstaffor@dynalogic.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:29:22 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: Help with Xron
References: <000201c0e3b7$5da09820$bda83a0f@corp.hp.com>
Message-ID: <005801c0e4db$a856b780$2201a8c0@pav2>

Please copy the zope mailing list on your questions so others can benefit
from the exchange.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Paulicka" <christopher_paulicka@hp.com>

> I downloaded this nice utility, and made a script that sends e-mail
> notifications for a Wiki web.  Whenever I select View or Trigger on the
> object, it sends off the notification as I expect.
>
> But I have it scheduled for daily sending at 23:00 hours, and it never
> sends!
>
> I looked for what I could, and the only thing I saw wierd was the fact
that
> the STUPID_LOG_FILE path was set to a non-existent path on my machine.  I
> have since changed it.  Could that make a difference?

Xron works even without a STUPID_LOG, so I doubt that that's a problem. But
you should always keep a log file, so you can check what Xron is doing while
you're sleeping.

> Also, any ideas what else I could do to get my notification to send on
> schedule?

Look inside the Schedule catalog. It's index_html method lists the entries
in the schedule. Is yours there? If not, go and edit the method. You don't
have to change it, if it's all set correctly, just pretend you made a change
and click the Update button (or whatever it's called). That action will
reschedule the method. Then look in the Schedule again to be sure it's
there.

Once you got STUPID_LOG working, what shows in the log? If the Dispatcher
tried to fire your method, there will be an entry in the log. Any errors
will also be noted.

To send email, your Xron Scheduled Method needs permission to use Mailhost.
An Xron Scheduled Method by default has the permissions of "Anonymous User".
You may have to give the method a proxy role that has permissions to use
Mailhost.

-- HTH
-- Loren





From marc@bowery.com  Fri May 25 06:41:11 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:41:11 -0400
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML
 Methodsand Documents
In-Reply-To: <000d01c0e4d3$4b6de6e0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <B73368B7.2DD53%marc@bowery.com>


> From: "Jason Cunliffe" <jasonic@nomadicsltd.com>
>
> Please clarify for me then..

Just my $0.002...

> 
> ZODB is best when:
> - There are more  READs than WRITEs.

True of not only of any data base, but most file systems (the only notable
exception I can think of is TAPE).

> Because of 'Undo', WRITE intensive designs will swell ZODB too quickly

Not necessarily.  You can make 'volatile' storage and control how it's put
into the ZODB -- take a look at the source for the ThreadSafeCounter product
for an example.

> 
> External Storage is best
> - There are frequent WRITEs.

See above... keep in mind, data.fs is stored in the same file system, so it
has the same performance characteristics as any other file (and some
opportunities for improvements as well).

> 
> - Very Large Files, or files which start off small and become very large
> later, [Digital Video for example]. These couild more quickly combine to tip
> ZODB past 2Gb limit [not a problem everywhere]

...should never be a problem -- see
http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/PartitionedFileStorage


> 
> - Sharing data with others applications, sharing with Apache, whatever

This is the real issue.  By apache, I suppose you mean passing absolute URLs
to apache to serve directly out of the file system.  I suspect just using
Zserver with Squid would equal the performance, but haven't tested it.  But,
let's say you have external data sources and sinks for these files, like
legacy data bases, or some such.  Some of those could probably be linked via
some database adapters, python code, etc., but for some situations, it would
make more sense to use external storage.


> 
> - Need to leverage directly the filesystem's permissions [Linux & family]

I'm not sure what you mean... there is some stuff around for LDAP and some
others, so you could create a 'parallel universe' of permissions inside
zope... right?  So then you could go either way with the file storage.

> 
> What do you think?

Personally... you can tell I'm keen on ZODB, and think it's worth working
with rather than around...




From alet@unice.fr  Fri May 25 06:54:20 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:54:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [FEATURE REQUEST] comment at the top of DTML Methods and Documents
In-Reply-To: <002601c0e4c5$b9c72420$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>; from jasonic@nomadicsltd.com on Thu, May 24, 2001 at 10:52:22PM -0400
References: <20010524223229.B895@nordine.ateur> <JIEFJNEDJOEMFFFEAIJOKEEIDIAA.drees@the-bridge.net> <20010524235512.A1274@nordine.ateur> <002601c0e4c5$b9c72420$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <20010525075419.A478@nordine.ateur>

On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 10:52:22PM -0400, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
> 
> Please correct me if I misunderstand your idea and its scope..
> 
> 1. You want to embed meta_data header comments inside Zope files just as
> Python encourages doc strings

I just want that for objects types which may be ambiguous when uploaded
into Zope, i.e. DTML Documents and DTML Methods.

For Images for example, this is not necessary because the object type
is not ambiguous, and let me explain why: Some program (Zope, Apache, 
the file command, etc...) scans a few bytes at the beginning of the 
file to determine it's type (jpeg, tiff, gif, ...), which IMHO is a 
VERY strong argument to back my point !

Anyway I'm glad someone has seen the light ;-)

bye,

Jerome Alet


From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Fri May 25 08:32:08 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:32:08 +0800
Subject: [Zope] index.html problem
In-Reply-To: <009301c0e480$543b67a0$3786043e@r3g4p8>
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMGEFFEDAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

well, the reason i wanted to use index.html is for log files to process it
properly.

but thanks to web*r (i'm not advertising cause i don't even know them) i was
able to produce the webstats we needed though i had a lot of trial and error
going. zope produces images as *folders* in log files that it includes that
in the stats. but i was able to find a way to omit this.

thanks all.

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

Summit Interactive, Inc.
FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping
femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://contemplation401.tripod.com                     +Basta Ikaw Lord

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philippe Jadin [mailto:philippe.jadin@123piano.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:28 AM
> To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
> Subject: Re: [Zope] index.html problem
>
>
> > how come when we changed our filenames from index_html to index.html
> things
> > started to get messy?
> >
> > some pages appear properly but some retrieve pages from other
> directories.
> >
> > is there a *rule* that we can't change this?
>
> A simple solution would be to place an index.html file in the root simply
> containing <dtml-var index_html> in it. Then keep your index_html
> files, and
> link to the index.html file. But then comes the question : why use
> index.html files?
>
> Should work...
>
> Philippe
>



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 25 08:32:36 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:32:36 +0100
Subject: [Zope] ZSearch Results Calling URL?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105242140010.3196-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3B0E0A94.F9CF5141@nipltd.com>

Michel Pelletier wrote:
> 
> Let me guess, you don't have a meta-data table column named
> 'absolute_url', do you?  If you did, this would work.  But don't add one
> because there's a better way.

Yes... this method has a tendency to break when any virtual hosting is
involved...

> This works too, but 2.3 added new interfaces to brains:
> 
> <td><a href="<dtml-var getURL>">... is the best way.

This wy works really well for me :-)

cheers,

Chris


From mail@peterbe.com  Fri May 25 08:28:00 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:28:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre2
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010523162803.31416A-100000@cortex.unice.fr> <00a201c0e39c$764ee860$1c64a8c0@PBN> <3B0BF2A1.AA8DBA64@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <003001c0e4ed$0d632f80$1c64a8c0@PBN>

> > I meant that they invented Zope and when they did so they determined a
style
> > of displaying dates that standardised French, Scandinavien and other
> > europeans had to accept.
>
> Not only them ;-)
>
> Who, apart from the Americans, uses that format?
> I only ask 'cos I'm interested :-)

Hmm... I don't know. That was also supposed to be a joke
(Jerome Alet is french, and I'm scandinavien)



From Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it>  Fri May 25 09:02:50 2001
From: Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it> (Luca Manini)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:02:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope] "subforlder" question - on Guest Book example (ZopeBook)
Message-ID: <gh3sgt8sdpg22eh1hhvi81od8b0e9n39ff@4ax.com>

Hi,=20

I'm trying my first stuff with Zope, following the ZopeBook's
examples. Now I'm trying the obviously important feature of letting
(Anonymous) users add and list "messages", so I'm studing the Guest
Book example that has a simple index_html (with the natural loop on
the users' messages), and the standard Form + Action + Script stuff
for adding messages.=20

Users' messages are added in the same folder where the "machinery" is,
but I would prefere to have them in a "Entries" subforder.=20

My question is: how should I do that. The solution I've found is to
change the original add Script (to be found at this message's end) to
accept and additional parameter (the subfolder) and to change all the
references to "context" to that parameter.

That works, but I feel I can (and should?) get the same effect just by
rearranging the way the GusetFolder is organized and let acquisition
do the magic of having the subfolder to be "passed" as context.

   Any hint? TIA, Luca.=20

-------------------- addEntryAction (DTML Method)

<dtml-var standard_html_header>

      <dtml-call expr=3D"addEntry(guest_name, comments)">

      <h1>Thanks for signing our guest book!</h1>

      <p><a href=3D"<dtml-var URL1>">Return</a>
      to the guest book.</p>

      <dtml-var standard_html_footer>

-------------------- addEntry (Script)

      """
      Create a guest book entry.
      """
      # create a unique document id
      id=3D'entry_%d' % len(context.objectIds())

      # create the document
      context.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].manage_addDTMLDocument(id,
                                               title=3D"",
file=3Dcomments)

      # add a guest_name string property
      doc=3Dgetattr(context, id)
      doc.manage_addProperty('guest_name', guest_name, 'string')



From d.legg@ncl.ac.uk  Fri May 25 09:09:40 2001
From: d.legg@ncl.ac.uk (David Legg)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:09:40 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope and Dreamweaver WebDAV
Message-ID: <001301c0e4f2$0c8168c0$1ec6f080@ncl.ac.uk>

The main problem that we've been having is that without file extensions .htm
etc. Dreamweaver will not render the html document as WYSIWYG. Is it
possible to get Dreameweaver to render withou the file extensions? I'm
thinking not.


Cheers

David Legg,




From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Fri May 25 10:00:51 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:00:51 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] mod_pcgi2 version 2.0.0
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105251256350.19266-100000@phd.fep.ru>

Hello!

   http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/mod_pcgi2/

   mod_pcgi2 - Apache module for Zope/PCGI - reached version 2.0.0! This
version compiles and runs under Apache 2.0, as well as Apache 1.3+.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From hell@ksksib.ru  Fri May 25 10:03:11 2001
From: hell@ksksib.ru (hell)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:03:11 +0700
Subject: [Zope] Q:
Message-ID: <01052516031100.25136@server-3.ksk.lcl>

HI!

I m new in Zope so maybe a *STUPID* question, sorry:

If i have an object's id in variable and i know where it is placed, how can i 
refer to that object

foo  is a DTMLDocument.
====
<dtml-call expr="REQUEST.set('obj', 'foo')">


How can I evalute the <obj> variable in oder to refer to foo object  like 
<dtml-var expr="eval(obj).document_src()">  e.t.c. ??



-- 
WBR, Dan
---------------
mailto:hell@ksksib.ru
mailto:dan@diadema.ru


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Fri May 25 10:14:00 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:14:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Q:
References: <01052516031100.25136@server-3.ksk.lcl>
Message-ID: <059601c0e4fb$0ec15790$5c773fc1@media1>

Easiest way is something like this:

<dtml-var expr="_.getitem(obj).document_src()">

hth

Phil
phil.harris@zope.co.uk

----- Original Message -----
From: "hell" <hell@ksksib.ru>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:03 AM
Subject: [Zope] Q:


> HI!
>
> I m new in Zope so maybe a *STUPID* question, sorry:
>
> If i have an object's id in variable and i know where it is placed, how
can i
> refer to that object
>
> foo  is a DTMLDocument.
> ====
> <dtml-call expr="REQUEST.set('obj', 'foo')">
>
>
> How can I evalute the <obj> variable in oder to refer to foo object  like
> <dtml-var expr="eval(obj).document_src()">  e.t.c. ??
>
>
>
> --
> WBR, Dan
> ---------------
> mailto:hell@ksksib.ru
> mailto:dan@diadema.ru
>
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From mail@peterbe.com  Fri May 25 10:25:13 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:25:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest
References: <219960000.990655980@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <015401c0e4fd$54f9f4e0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

The MockUp design images look heavy on images.
Surely you must remember what is said in those books.

Go for purity! and well coded CSS.
zope.org isn't the kind of site where you want an impression. At
digicool.com you might want to have that.
Pleeeeeeeeaaassee don't make it one second slower :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "ethan mindlace fremen" <mindlace@digicool.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest


> --On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 08:57:54 -0700 Jason Byron
> <jason_zope@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I think we should have a zope logo/webpage design contest.
> >
> > Any graphic artists out there?
>
> hmm... we're already working on a redesign... see
>
>
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZopeOrgCollaborationEnhancement/
> MockUp
>
>
> --
> ethan mindlace fremen
> zopatista community liason
>
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From mail@peterbe.com  Fri May 25 10:18:48 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:18:48 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <200105231131.AA734265668@tacomaplace.com>
Message-ID: <015301c0e4fd$54f3da60$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Boa isn't much of a Windowing Toolkit for Zope.
Yes, it opens Zope objects. But so does emacs and Homesite ( and they both
do it right ).
BOA needs work. The most annoying thing is that I can't type characters that
required the fingering of the [Alt Gr] button!
Learn from this americans and britons! Test your software on obscure
international keyboards.

Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "jimbo" <jimbo@tacomaplace.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:31 PM
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


> I'm not sure if this counts since it uses wxpython, but
> it already has some support for zope. The project is still moving forward.
The zope support needs some more documentation.
> jimbo
>
>
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/boa-constructor/
>
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From paz@oratrix.com  Fri May 25 10:51:58 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:51:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Dtml-in objectItems
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGEGACFAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Morning all,

I cannot make this code work:

<dtml-with Interop>
   <dtml-in expr="objectItems('Interop')">
      <a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"><dtml-var title_or_id></a>
   </dtml-in>
</dtml-with>

I've been searching for hours now in the list and site, but I've found
nothing that tells me why I get a blank page when I'm trying to list the
objects in the Folder Interop.... This snippet of code is in the same
directory as the Interop folder... which has a bunch of folders and files in
it.

Can anyone help with this supposedly blatantly simple piece of code?

Thanks,
Paz



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Fri May 25 10:56:22 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:56:22 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Dtml-in objectItems
In-Reply-To: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGEGACFAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105251355490.19266-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Fri, 25 May 2001, Paul Zwarts wrote:
> <dtml-with Interop>
>    <dtml-in expr="objectItems('Interop')">
                                 ^^^^^^^ this must be metatype, not
folder's name.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From alet@unice.fr  Fri May 25 10:58:28 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:58:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0 Final
Message-ID: <20010525115828.A2630@nordine.ateur>

Hi,

I'm pleased to announce the awaited availability of ZShell 1.0 Final.

ZShell is an external Zope method which allows you to
manipulate the ZODB using standard unix shell's commands
from within Zope's Management Interface in your web
browser.

ZShell is licensed under the GNU General Public Licence, with
some clarifications of my own concerning it's use with Zope.

You can download it from:

        http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

New features are:
=================

- The history command now works, please read its help.
- The lsperms command now works.
- The setperms command now works.
- The lsusers command output was made cleaner.
- The locate command was removed until post-1.0, because
  I don't know enough about ZCatalog searching yet.
- about command modified, and source comments
  modified wrt the GNU GPL.


Credits:
========

This couldn't have happened without the help of the following people:

Peter Bengtsson
Simon Michael
Jason Cunliffe
Michel Pelletier
Godefroid Chapelle
Laurent Pierron
Toby Dickenson
Jim Penny

Many thanks to them !

Post 1.0 plans:
===============

- Make most commands recognize options, the most useful
  options would certainely be:

	--recurse and --maxdepth
        --hasperms=
        --type=
        --mtime=
        --mmin=
        --owner=
        ...

  Finishing and factorising the do_find() code should do it.

- Add the locate command to search in ZCatalogs.

- Create a ZShell Zope product, to allow people to create
  ZShell scripts, just like Python Scripts or DTML Methods.

- Piping between commands.

- Set up a webpage, CVS access, and mailing list
  somewhere (SourceForge ?).

- Create a test suite (it's a joke).

Feel free to send any feedback, especially if you like or don't like 
features, or if you want to help in some way.

Enjoy ! 

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr




From mail@peterbe.com  Fri May 25 10:49:28 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:49:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre3
References: <20010524160647.A663@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <019b01c0e501$89b878b0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Help!

No new bug reports for the moment, but yesterday I wrote a function to list
the contents of the FS zope install directory.

For example
lszopedir import Extensions
lists a bunch of .zexp files first and then mostly .py files.
It displayed filesize and date

Anyways, since I don't want to change your code I wrote a extended class
around ZopeShell
something like this:
import zshell
class ExtendedZopeShell(ZopeShell):
    def run_lszopedir(self):
          bla bla bla
def zshell(self):
     MyShell = ExtendedZopeShell(self)
     bla bla bla


Everything works fine except that it lists only the functions in the
ExtendedZopeShell class
It used to be three columns filled with hyperlinked names of functions
available and when you click them you get the man page of each.
Now it was only one: lszopedir

The problem is in this I suspect
methodslist = map(lambda n: n[4:], filter(lambda f: f[:4] == 'run_',
self.__class__.__dict__.keys()))
at around line 743

How to do it right I don't know. Do you?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerome Alet" <alet@unice.fr>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:06 PM
Subject: [Zope] [ANN] ZShell 1.0pre3


> Hi,
>
> I'm pleased to announce the availability of ZShell 1.0pre3.
>
> ZShell is an external Zope method which allows you to
> manipulate the ZODB using standard unix shell's commands
> from within Zope's Management Interface in your web
> browser.
>
> ZShell is licensed under the GNU General Public Licence, with
> some clarifications of my own concerning it's use with Zope.
>
> You can download it from:
>
>         http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/
>
> New features are:
> =================
>
> * view, manage and properties now work fine.
> * Modification time format in ls output is shorter.
> * The dump command works.
> * wget now handles local files and directories correctly.
> * suckfs will never exist because wget now can do that, and more...
> * Added some urls to the GNU GPL FAQ, backing my position.
> * DocStrings fixes.
>
> Apart from the fixes, the most interesting things in this version are:
>
> * you can now suck files or directories (not recursively yet)
>   from the server's filesystem into the ZODB, using wget.
>
> * you can now dump objects' source to the server's filesystem
>   using the dump command. However only objects which have a
>   callable document_src attribute are dumpable, yet. This
>   means, essentially: DTML Methods, DTML Documents, Python Scripts.
>
> Thanks to all the people who helped to make this happen, especially
> Jim Penny who gave the dump command idea, but I've just realised I've
> forgotten to put his name in the CREDITS file... (it's a TODO for
> the next version)
>
> As usual, comments, patches, bug reports, etc... are welcome.
>
> Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr
>
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From mail@peterbe.com  Fri May 25 10:39:39 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:39:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ANN: www.zopelabs.com
References: <990679739.668.6.camel@cartman>
Message-ID: <019a01c0e501$89b0d790$1c64a8c0@PBN>

The Zope Cookbook is great! There's great need for one.

However, when I was doing ASP I loved www.asptoday.com
Each day a new article the detailed a little segment of ASP coding. This is
like the HowTos but they have the Article Ratings and a little picture of
the guy who wrote it.
www.phpbuilder.com is also great. The varity isn't as good as asptoday.com
but the webdesign and site in general is great.
Having left PHP now for ZOPE, phpbuilder.com is something I really really
miss.

Zope.org, zopezen.org and zopelabs.com responsible people: Please look at
these sites "learn".

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: "M. Adam Kendall" <mak@kha0s.org>
To: "Zope List" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:48 AM
Subject: [Zope] ANN: www.zopelabs.com


> Hey folks,
> Just a little note to announce the availability of
> http://www.zopelabs.com.  A community driven site that
> houses a Zope "cookbook". Code snippets that you find
> useful for doing the mundane, or more in-depth
> "black magic voodoo".  The general goal is to provide
> a "learn by example" environment, and cut-and-paste type
> code sharing.  Hopefully, with this type of environment
> it will make the migration from PHP/ASP to Zope a much
> more pleasurable experience.
> Along with opening the site up to the community, the
> source to the product that drives most of the functionality
> of the site is available for download.  Patches/comments
> welcome ;-)
>
> Adam
> --
> "There's never enough time to do        |    M. Adam Kendall
>  all the nothing you want."             |    mak@kha0s.org
>  -Bill Watterson (Calvin and Hobbes)    |    http://www.zopelabs.com
>
>
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From dingx@web.de  Fri May 25 11:04:05 2001
From: dingx@web.de (Stefan Berthold)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:04:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Dtml-in objectItems
In-Reply-To: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGEGACFAA.paz@oratrix.com>; from paz@oratrix.com on Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:51:58AM +0200
References: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAGEGACFAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <20010525120405.C602@nexus>

On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:51:58AM +0200, Paul Zwarts wrote:
> <dtml-with Interop>
>    <dtml-in expr="objectItems('Interop')">
>       <a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"><dtml-var title_or_id></a>
>    </dtml-in>
> </dtml-with>

What's about objectValues('') for all objects in the folder or
e.g. objectValues('DTML Document') for all documents in the folder?

ciao.

-- 
Stefan Berthold <dingx@web.de>
Zivilist in Lauerstellung
FAX/VoiceBox: +49 180 50529 6341739


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 25 11:19:42 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:19:42 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <200105231131.AA734265668@tacomaplace.com> <015301c0e4fd$54f3da60$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3B0E31BE.ABCC87E9@nipltd.com>

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> 
> Learn from this americans and britons! Test your software on obscure
> international keyboards.

I thought that's what we had obscure internationals for? ;-)

*grinz*

Chris


From sven.hohage@zeitspringer.de  Fri May 25 11:30:58 2001
From: sven.hohage@zeitspringer.de (Sven Hohage)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:30:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] The time 2177798400.000000 is beyond the range of this Python
 implementation.
Message-ID: <3B0E3462.85C09E39@zeitspringer.de>

Hello,
i've got this problem with the date-value 2039/01/05.
Nearby this value it seems to be a python-time-limit!
Is this changed with 2.0 and when not what can you do??
Tell your customer not to think about the future ;-)

         Bye and thanks!


From junk@gargl.net  Fri May 25 11:49:08 2001
From: junk@gargl.net (Junk)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:49:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] The time 2177798400.000000 is beyond the range of this Python implementation.
In-Reply-To: <3B0E3462.85C09E39@zeitspringer.de>
Message-ID: <PDEMJHJKIPFLBGGDLILJCEMNCLAA.junk@gargl.net>

---
i've got this problem with the date-value 2039/01/05.
Nearby this value it seems to be a python-time-limit!
Is this changed with 2.0 and when not what can you do??
Tell your customer not to think about the future ;-)
---

this is the end of the world on 32bits machines (the unix time being the
number of milliseconds from jan 01, 1970) and this number is going to
overflow by 2038.

you have a (lot) of material on the net adressing this issue, go for
google...

$ven



From hannu@tm.ee  Fri May 25 12:33:32 2001
From: hannu@tm.ee (Hannu Krosing)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:33:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <200105231131.AA734265668@tacomaplace.com> <015301c0e4fd$54f3da60$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3B0E430C.37CF5329@tm.ee>

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
>=20
> Boa isn't much of a Windowing Toolkit for Zope.
> Yes, it opens Zope objects. But so does emacs and Homesite ( and they b=
oth
> do it right ).
> BOA needs work. The most annoying thing is that I can't type characters=
 that
> required the fingering of the [Alt Gr] button!
> Learn from this americans and britons! Test your software on obscure
> international keyboards.

Even britons have obscure keyboards - they have snake a sign (=A3) over
key 3

-----------------
Hannu


From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May 25 12:29:42 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:29:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [Q] thread option in Python
In-Reply-To: <20010525094100.A14888@kldp.org>
References: <20010525094100.A14888@kldp.org>
Message-ID: <17151557.990797381@BUZZER>

Hi Yoon,

if you dont have threads zope would not start.

Are you by chance using ZEO?
Please provide exact information about your environment.
(system, compiler, python version, zope version, installed
products)

Regards
Tino

--On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 09:41 +0900 "YOON, Joo-Yung" <yjy@kldp.org> 
wrote:

> I built zope from source, but it acts strange.
> When I make any change in the Zope management screen, it works, but
> I can not see the change (e.g. newly added folder) on the screen.
> So, I would like to know what happens to Zope if Python was not built with
> --with-thread option.
>
> joo-yung
>
> _______________________________________________
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From paz@oratrix.com  Fri May 25 12:33:30 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:33:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Dtml-in objectItems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105251355490.19266-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAEEGFCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Greetings Oleg,

Thanks for the quick response. I had tried that already. It didnt work.

   <dtml-in expr="objectIds('Folders')">
      <a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"><dtml-var title_or_id></a>
   </dtml-in>

The code does not raise an error, it just doesnt display any results.

P

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg Broytmann [mailto:phd@phd.fep.ru]
Sent: 25 May 2001 11:56
To: Paul Zwarts
Cc: Zope
Subject: Re: [Zope] Dtml-in objectItems


On Fri, 25 May 2001, Paul Zwarts wrote:
> <dtml-with Interop>
>    <dtml-in expr="objectItems('Interop')">
                                 ^^^^^^^ this must be metatype, not
folder's name.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From paz@oratrix.com  Fri May 25 12:35:36 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:35:36 +0200
Subject: FW: [Zope] Dtml-in objectItems
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAMEGFCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>

oops... I always forget to cc the zope list... 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Zwarts [mailto:paz@oratrix.com]
Sent: 25 May 2001 13:35
To: Stefan Berthold
Subject: RE: [Zope] Dtml-in objectItems


Stefan and all who replied,

Thanks very much, objectValues('DTML Document') was exactly what I needed.

Cheers,
Paz

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
Stefan Berthold
Sent: 25 May 2001 12:04
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Dtml-in objectItems


On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:51:58AM +0200, Paul Zwarts wrote:
> <dtml-with Interop>
>    <dtml-in expr="objectItems('Interop')">
>       <a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"><dtml-var title_or_id></a>
>    </dtml-in>
> </dtml-with>

What's about objectValues('') for all objects in the folder or
e.g. objectValues('DTML Document') for all documents in the folder?

ciao.

-- 
Stefan Berthold <dingx@web.de>
Zivilist in Lauerstellung
FAX/VoiceBox: +49 180 50529 6341739

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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Fri May 25 12:37:05 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:37:05 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Dtml-in objectItems
In-Reply-To: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAEEGFCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105251536130.21676-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Fri, 25 May 2001, Paul Zwarts wrote:
>    <dtml-in expr="objectIds('Folders')">
>       <a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"><dtml-var title_or_id></a>
>    </dtml-in>
>
> The code does not raise an error, it just doesnt display any results.

   <dtml-in expr="objectIds('Folders')">

   Why "Folders"? There is no such metatype.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From renfro@tntech.edu  Fri May 25 12:52:50 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 06:52:50 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Dtml-in objectItems
In-Reply-To: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAEEGFCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>; from paz@oratrix.com on Fri, May 25, 2001 at 01:33:30PM +0200
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105251355490.19266-100000@phd.fep.ru> <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAEEGFCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <20010525065250.A2168@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 01:33:30PM +0200, Paul Zwarts wrote:

>    <dtml-in expr="objectIds('Folders')">
>       <a href="&dtml-absolute_url;"><dtml-var title_or_id></a>
>    </dtml-in>
> 
> The code does not raise an error, it just doesnt display any results.

As Oleg already replied, "Folders" is not a standard
meta-type. Assuming you use Netscape (or IE, most likely), hold your
mouse over the icon of any object in the management interface. The
icon's alt text value will appear, which happens to be identical to
the object's meta-type.

(The short answer is "Folder", not "Folders". There's an example very
similar to this in the Zope book, too.)

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From yjy@kldp.org  Fri May 25 12:58:43 2001
From: yjy@kldp.org (arbago)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:58:43 +0900
Subject: [Zope] [Q] thread option in Python
Message-ID: <SAK.2001.05.25.oscbjfis@bipa>

01-05-25 ¿ÀÈÄ 8:54:13
Thanks, Tino.
The environment is
  Devian 2.2 (Potato)
  Kernel 2.19
  AMD486
  ZOPE 2.3.2
  Python 1.52

That is all of mine.  I did not install other things than the source tarball
from zope.org.

There are two things.
1. I can not log-in as the manager account. (Sometimes yes, 
but sometimes no.)
2. The management interface screen does not reflect the changes
I make immediately.  Maybe some time has passed, and I make a
connection to the zope, then it shows the changes.

Joo-Yung

Original message from: Tino Wildenhain
>Hi Yoon,
>
>if you dont have threads zope would not start.
>
>Are you by chance using ZEO?
>Please provide exact information about your environment.
>(system, compiler, python version, zope version, installed
>products)
>
>Regards
>Tino
>
>--On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 09:41 +0900 "YOON, Joo-Yung" <yjy@kldp.org> 
>wrote:
>
>> I built zope from source, but it acts strange.
>> When I make any change in the Zope management screen, it works, but
>> I can not see the change (e.g. newly added folder) on the screen.
>> So, I would like to know what happens to Zope if Python was not built 
with
>> --with-thread option.
>>
>> joo-yung
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>



From rpinder@usc.edu  Fri May 25 13:57:49 2001
From: rpinder@usc.edu (Rich Pinder)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 05:57:49 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope & the Zoo - newbie problems...
References: <OFF7981585.898F8C25-ONC1256A57.002C34A5@Z-INDEX.NL>
Message-ID: <3B0E56CC.CE3E46E4@usc.edu>

Thank YOU so much  Hans !!
This worked just fine. Onward I go!
i appreciate the help

rich

H.de.Wit@SFK.NL wrote:

> Rich
>
> I don't  whether you got already an answer.
> The dtml looks alright, but there is one thing that could work out wrong:
> Standard is index_html a dtml-document.
> Replace it by a dtml-method index_html with the same content.
>
> Probably you'll see things happen now.
> The difference between a document and a method is that a document has it's
> own properties and a method is only a function without data. To behold this
> data a document has it's own namespace, the place where the properties and
> variables live. So when you ask objectValues('Folder'), you ask the
> document a list of the folders. A document however is not able to hold
> folders. Probably that is the problem.



From horstwald@hotmail.com  Fri May 25 14:27:17 2001
From: horstwald@hotmail.com (Horst Wald)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:27:17 -0000
Subject: [Zope] SendMail on NT
Message-ID: <F145kskqedC8mOLSSPw00000fac@hotmail.com>

Hi!

I have installed ZOPE on WINDOWS NT. Unfortunately the SendMail-Tag doesn't 
work like the manual says it should (nor does any example I have seen yet), 
so could anybody please give me a code example that works on NT?

Thanks

Horst
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From msg4bob@yahoo.com  Fri May 25 15:29:02 2001
From: msg4bob@yahoo.com (Bobby Mathew)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:59:02 +0530
Subject: [Zope] Zope folder property manipulation problem
Message-ID: <001601c0e527$196664c0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>

Hi guys

I am struggling with a small part. I passed the following parameter to this
python script - fname, newvar, newval, newtype
I am trying to change the current variable say memberid which is passed
within newvar with a newvalue say 100 which is passed in newval. But its not
getting changed. The line indicated below has no effect
------------------------------------
if container.hasProp(fname, newvar):
  container[fname].manage_changeProperties(newvar = newval) (this line is
suppossed to make the change - but no effect)
  print fname + '-0'
else:
  try:
    container[fname].manage_addProperty(newvar, newval, newtype)
    print 1
  except:
    print 0
return printed
-----------------------------------
how do i make python understand that i want the value with the newvar to be
used and to be set with the value within newval ???

please advice me. thanks

bobby




From steli@subdimension.com  Fri May 25 15:27:27 2001
From: steli@subdimension.com (Stelian Iancu)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:27:27 +0300
Subject: [Zope] SendMail on NT
References: <F145kskqedC8mOLSSPw00000fac@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <033901c0e526$d61481c0$c700a8c0@integrasteli>

Hi !

I just installed zope on my Win2000 Professional box today, I ran the
tutorial and the sendmail example worked just fine. (The Elvis example).
Maybe you didn't put the right SMTP server.

Hope this helps!

BTW, can anybody tell me what are Zope Wiki's? I am a totally newbie, I
just heard about zope yesterday for the first time in my life :)

Cheers,
Stelian Iancu
Software Developer
Tel: +40 (93) 274937
ICQ: 48328262

----- Original Message -----
From: "Horst Wald" <horstwald@hotmail.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:27 PM
Subject: [Zope] SendMail on NT


> Hi!
>
> I have installed ZOPE on WINDOWS NT. Unfortunately the SendMail-Tag
doesn't
> work like the manual says it should (nor does any example I have seen
yet),
> so could anybody please give me a code example that works on NT?
>
> Thanks
>
> Horst
>
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From phd@phd.fep.ru  Fri May 25 15:29:46 2001
From: phd@phd.fep.ru (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:29:46 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] mod_pcgi2 version 2.0.0
In-Reply-To: <007c01c0e524$ef3b2cf0$6901a8c0@EM2>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105251815580.21676-100000@phd.fep.ru>

Hello!

   Please note - I am replying to the list, too.

On Fri, 25 May 2001, Chris Ryland wrote:
> How is this different from/better than the standard FastCGI module?
> >
> >    http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/mod_pcgi2/
> >
> >    mod_pcgi2 - Apache module for Zope/PCGI - reached version 2.0.0! This
> > version compiles and runs under Apache 2.0, as well as Apache 1.3+.

   Well, not sure about how it is "better", other that exactly the point of
announcement - it now works with Apache 2.0. Probably, not many people use
Apache 2.0 - it is in early beta stage; I even sent a bug report while
debugged my module :)
   On the other hand, it was not completely ported and tested on Windows.

   Let's talk about differences.

1. The module implements different protocol - PersistentCGI instead of
FastCGI. You don't have to use PCGI with Zope - you can run your own PCGI
(but the module was really tested only with Zope).
   http://starship.python.net/crew/jbauer/persistcgi/index.html

2. The module does its best to be compatible with Zope's SiteAccess. This
allow you to configure your virtual hosts with a bit less pain. FastCGI is
not very mature in this aspect (though it is good enough).

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann            http://phd.pp.ru/            phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May 25 15:36:09 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:36:09 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Testing for how an object is called.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105230113270.600-100000@aesaeion.com>
Message-ID: <3B0E6DD9.D7D8D7F7@kaivo.com>

kosh@aesaeion.com wrote:
> 
> I have several kludge ways now that do the job but none I entirely like.
> How can I check for the difference between being called with <dtml-var
> foo> and being called from foo.com/foo ?
> 
> This behavior is used for both internal and external behavior of the
> object.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
> Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org
> 

Here is the best way I can think of:

<dtml-if expr="REQUEST.steps[-1] == document_id">
	...Then we were called from the URL...
<dtml-else>
	...We weren't...
</dtml-if>

This won't work with index_html methods or documents that are called by
specifying the URL of their parent, but you could extend the expression
to work in that case as well.

If the thing is a python script then it would be:

if context.REQUEST.steps[-1] == script.getId():
	...We were called by URL...
else:
	...We weren't...


-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu  Fri May 25 14:35:45 2001
From: jdhunter@ace.bsd.uchicago.edu (John Hunter)
Date: 25 May 2001 08:35:45 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <m07kz7wr9j.fsf@dclxvi.foobar.not>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231218320.919-100000@phd.fep.ru>
 <m07kz7wr9j.fsf@dclxvi.foobar.not>
Message-ID: <1rbsohlff2.fsf@video.bsd.uchicago.edu>

>>>>> "Karl" == Karl Anderson <karl@digicool.com> writes:

    Karl> There's no reason to edit in the web browser if you don't
    Karl> want to.  With FTP, you can use whatever editor you prefer.
    Karl> I only use the textarea to make new pages, and only then
    Karl> because I've been too lazy to set up the PUT hook that would
    Karl> remove this.

Here's a put factory tto aid you in your laziness (Still the principle
virtue?) Just add it to /usr/path/to/zope/Extensions/ and add it as an
external method called PUT_factory to your wiki (this one is dtml
enabled, edit to suit your needs)

def PUT_factory( self, name, typ, body ):
       """
          Override the default PUT method to make ZWikiPage the
          default type for ftp uploads
       """
       from Products.ZWiki.ZWikiPage import ZWikiPage
       if typ == 'text/plain':
              ob = ZWikiPage( '', __name__=name )
              ob.page_type = 'structuredtextdtml'
              return ob
       return None

More detailed info at http://zwiki.org/HowToCreateZWikiPagesWithPut

Cheers,
John Hunter


From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May 25 15:41:52 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:41:52 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Choosing between ZODB and relational database/filesystem
 storage
References: <H00000680001434a.0990606067.sjef.websys.no@MHS> <3B0E6F11.72D39B0E@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <3B0E6F30.B58E5F73@kaivo.com>

Casey Duncan wrote:
> 
> magnus/Websys@websys.no wrote:
> >
> > > .. 'use ZODB' campaign
> >
> > Actually my main motivation for using a separate database in many of our
> > applications is that it forces me to have a well-documented data structure.
> >
> > -Magnus
> >
> 
> If you use ZClasses or external Python classes, the same is true for the
> ZODB. Granted if you just throw standard objects all over the place, it
> isn't self-documenting at all.
 
 However, I think this is a weak argument for more complexity.


-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Fri May 25 15:50:25 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:50:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Can I put XML code directly into an DTML document ???
Message-ID: <01052516502500.12536@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Is subject possible ?

Gitte


From chrisw@nipltd.com  Fri May 25 16:03:53 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:03:53 +0100
Subject: [Zope] BOA/ZOA as ZFC
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105241854100.4582-100000@epy.co.at>
Message-ID: <3B0E7459.3D94A716@nipltd.com>

Hi Stefan :-)

"Stefan H. Holek" wrote:
> 
> The Zope support (ZOA) will be via XML-RPC only (as opposed to the current
> FTP) and looks pretty impressive from what I've seen.

Cool, maybe the authors could come and contribute to the ZFC disucssion list?

> It might be worth the wait for NIP so not to reinvent some wheels ;)

No wheels being re-invented here :-) The aim is just to explore the space and
it'd be great to get as much help as possible with that.

We have an idea for a framework to let people do this, it would be amazing if
the ZOA stuff could plug in to that.

Can any of the ZOA developers comment?

cheers,

Chris


From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Fri May 25 16:04:21 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:04:21 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ANN: www.zopelabs.com
In-Reply-To: <990679739.668.6.camel@cartman>; from mak@kha0s.org on Thu, May 24, 2001 at 12:48:59AM -0400
References: <990679739.668.6.camel@cartman>
Message-ID: <20010525080421.U539@blanchardsite.com>

Nice concept, wish your tables would wrap. I'm willing to scroll
_down_ on a page, but will _not_ scroll horizontally. This
happpens for me with both browsers of choice on my system,
netscape4.7 and the Links text browser. Lynx wraps the table text
but does not render the tables overall well...

Makes use of the site for me a very frustrating experience.

cheers,
-charlie

On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 12:48:59AM -0400, M. Adam Kendall wrote:
> Hey folks,
> Just a little note to announce the availability of
> http://www.zopelabs.com.  A community driven site that 
> houses a Zope "cookbook". Code snippets that you find 
> useful for doing the mundane, or more in-depth 
> "black magic voodoo".  The general goal is to provide 
> a "learn by example" environment, and cut-and-paste type
> code sharing.  Hopefully, with this type of environment
> it will make the migration from PHP/ASP to Zope a much
> more pleasurable experience.
> Along with opening the site up to the community, the
> source to the product that drives most of the functionality
> of the site is available for download.  Patches/comments
> welcome ;-)
> 

-- 
charlie blanchard
http://baldguru.com/
LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Fri May 25 16:08:00 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:08:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Can I put XML code directly into an DTML document ???
References: <01052516502500.12536@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <067101c0e52c$7dc33240$5c773fc1@media1>

Yes
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte@mmmanager.org>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:50 PM
Subject: [Zope] Can I put XML code directly into an DTML document ???


> Is subject possible ?
> 
> Gitte
> 
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From alet@unice.fr  Fri May 25 16:09:19 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:09:19 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] [WARNING] ZShell 1.0
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010525170125.15532A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

Hi,

Sorry, but I've forgotten to enable some code which was commented out just
for a test before uploading ZShell 1.0

This means that unfortunately the setperms command doesn't check if the
user has the "Change permissions" permission before changing permissions,
and changes them.

I've uploaded a correct version, so for those of you who have already
downloaded it, please download it again from:

	http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell

The correct version is zshell-1.0.tar.gz dated May 25th 2001, 5:00pm
french time, and is 37132 bytes long. 

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Jerome Alet - alet@unice.fr



From mak@kha0s.org  Fri May 25 16:17:18 2001
From: mak@kha0s.org (M. Adam Kendall)
Date: 25 May 2001 11:17:18 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ANN: www.zopelabs.com
In-Reply-To: <20010525080421.U539@blanchardsite.com>
References: <990679739.668.6.camel@cartman>
 <20010525080421.U539@blanchardsite.com>
Message-ID: <990803838.1974.3.camel@cartman>

Charlie,
I am aware of this issue and trying to correct it ASAP.
Keep the comments coming folks, both positive and negative
and I will try to resolve as many of the negative as
possible.
Great community sites begin with community feedback ;-)

thanks again,
Adam

On 25 May 2001 08:04:21 -0700, Charlie Blanchard wrote:
> Nice concept, wish your tables would wrap. I'm willing to scroll
> _down_ on a page, but will _not_ scroll horizontally. This
> happpens for me with both browsers of choice on my system,
> netscape4.7 and the Links text browser. Lynx wraps the table text
> but does not render the tables overall well...
> 
> Makes use of the site for me a very frustrating experience.

--
"There's never enough time to do        |    M. Adam Kendall
 all the nothing you want."             |    mak@kha0s.org
 -Bill Watterson (Calvin and Hobbes)    |    http://www.zopelabs.com



From daniel.fairs@spiderplant.net  Fri May 25 16:30:45 2001
From: daniel.fairs@spiderplant.net (Daniel Fairs)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:30:45 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Newbie Acquisition Question
Message-ID: <CHEBKGKLGOBGFEGBHIEKEELECDAA.daniel.fairs@spiderplant.net>

Hi,

I've just got a quick question on acquisition...

In my root folder, I have my index_html which contains, amongst other
things:

    <td colspan="2">
      <dtml-var contentPanel>
    </td>

In the root folder, I have another DTML method called contentPanel, which is
correctly displayed when I view the root folder.

Now, under the root folder, I have the following folder structure:
/
`SiteUsers/
  `Dan/

SiteUsers is empty, except for Dan; Dan contains a single DTML Method called
contentPane.

When I view localhost:8080/SiteUsers/Dan/ I would expect the contentPane
from SiteUsers/Dan to be displayed (ie. index_html is being acquired by the
Dan folder, but since there is a contentPanel in the Dan folder, that should
'override' the one in the root folder). However, I am getting the
contentPane from the root folder. This is a namespace issue - how do I force
Zope to use the correct namespace? My understanding was that all name
resolution started at the place specified from the URL, and then worked back
'up' the tree... My experience here shows this is true, but the search URL
always 'starts' from the object 'doing' the acquisition (index_html in this
case) - hence the contentPane in Dan/ isn't being used.

How should I solve this?

Many thanks,
Dan

_________________________________________________________________
Daniel Fairs | daniel.fairs@spiderplant.net | www.spiderplant.net



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May 25 16:55:14 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:55:14 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Newbie Acquisition Question
References: <CHEBKGKLGOBGFEGBHIEKEELECDAA.daniel.fairs@spiderplant.net>
Message-ID: <3B0E8062.AE763D34@kaivo.com>

Daniel Fairs wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've just got a quick question on acquisition...
> 
> In my root folder, I have my index_html which contains, amongst other
> things:
> 
>     <td colspan="2">
>       <dtml-var contentPanel>
>     </td>
> 
> In the root folder, I have another DTML method called contentPanel, which is
> correctly displayed when I view the root folder.
> 
> Now, under the root folder, I have the following folder structure:
> /
> `SiteUsers/
>   `Dan/
> 
> SiteUsers is empty, except for Dan; Dan contains a single DTML Method called
> contentPane.
> 
> When I view localhost:8080/SiteUsers/Dan/ I would expect the contentPane
> from SiteUsers/Dan to be displayed (ie. index_html is being acquired by the
> Dan folder, but since there is a contentPanel in the Dan folder, that should
> 'override' the one in the root folder). However, I am getting the
> contentPane from the root folder. This is a namespace issue - how do I force
> Zope to use the correct namespace? My understanding was that all name
> resolution started at the place specified from the URL, and then worked back
> 'up' the tree... My experience here shows this is true, but the search URL
> always 'starts' from the object 'doing' the acquisition (index_html in this
> case) - hence the contentPane in Dan/ isn't being used.
> 
> How should I solve this?
> 
> Many thanks,
> Dan
> 

I suspect index_html in the root is a DTML document. Try making it a
DTML method. Documents alway execute in the context of their container,
methods in the context of their caller.

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From craig.dunigan@esker.com  Fri May 25 16:56:15 2001
From: craig.dunigan@esker.com (Dunigan, Craig)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:56:15 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Tree tag cookie questions
Message-ID: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDFA6@EXCH-MDSN-USA>

Thanks, Michel.  This clears up a lot.  Unfortunately, it doesn't clear up
the worst problem I have.  See below.

> On Thu, 24 May 2001, Dunigan, Craig wrote:
> 
> > <dtml-tree expr="REQUEST.resolve_url(BASE3)"
> 
> You shouldn't use REQUEST.resolve_url.  Use 
> restrictedTraverse instead.

As an aside, why?  And what syntax?  When I tried it, Zope complained that
it couldn't find 'http:', which I assume means that I have to strip the
'http://' off of BASEx to use restrictedTraverse?
 
> > A user hits /folder1, generates a tree, modifies the tree 
> state and gets a
> > cookie.  Then he hits one of the links above, goes to 
> /folder1/folder2,
> > generates a new tree, but with the state saved in the cookie.  If he
> > modifies the tree state yet again, does he get a new 
> cookie, obliterating
> > the previous tree state, or does the same cookie get 
> modified, saying "for
> > page /folder1/index_html the tree state is 'x', for page
> > /folder1/folder2/index_html the tree state is 'y'?"
> 
> The former: the old cookie gets obliterated.  There is only 
> one 'tree-s'
> cookie, and it can only hold the state for one tree, the last 
> tree viewed
> by the user.

So, under this scheme, I'm right in saying that the tree on
/folder1/folder2/index_html gets created using the tree state saved in the
last 'tree-s' cookie, which was generated from /folder1/index_html?  If
that's true, then why, in navigating down a fairly long branch, would the
tree suddenly collapse when the last folder is clicked?  Wouldn't
Folder(x)'s tree get generated using the cookie from Folder(y), if that was
the point at which the tree state was last changed?  Because I can verify
myself that this happens, not consistently, but with some regularity.  The
only things I can state clearly so far are that it happens more often in IE
than Navigator, and it happens _almost_ always if that last folder is empty.
I'm doing some more tests, but the users are really pissed that they click
through half a dozen folders and, when they hit the last one, everything
they just opened closes up again.
 
> I'm sure you could try and extend the tree cookie to be more
> all-encompasing as you described above.  This would have the upshot of
> allowing two trees on the same page.
> 

Nice plug for user contribution!  I doubt I'll be able to pick it up, but it
makes me wish I could.  :)


From mail@peterbe.com  Fri May 25 16:41:49 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:41:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ANN: www.zopelabs.com
References: <990679739.668.6.camel@cartman> <20010525080421.U539@blanchardsite.com> <990803838.1974.3.camel@cartman>
Message-ID: <029301c0e534$01654cd0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

When you enter the pay I expect to see the latest added receipe up front.
It is the receipes that is the content not the
I-dont-even-read-it-even-though-I-should-welcome-message in the middle of
the front page.

Why not show a bit of the first five on the front page and have Read more...
links.

Like a salesman, try to force me to read the receipe. I.e. throw it in my
face nicely and don't scare me with details just yet. And if I'm not
convinced, don't loose me and make me check the others.

Best wishes, Peter

Keep up the good work


----- Original Message -----
From: "M. Adam Kendall" <mak@kha0s.org>
To: "Charlie Blanchard" <charlie@blanchardsite.com>
Cc: "Zope List" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] ANN: www.zopelabs.com


> Charlie,
> I am aware of this issue and trying to correct it ASAP.
> Keep the comments coming folks, both positive and negative
> and I will try to resolve as many of the negative as
> possible.
> Great community sites begin with community feedback ;-)
>
> thanks again,
> Adam
>
> On 25 May 2001 08:04:21 -0700, Charlie Blanchard wrote:
> > Nice concept, wish your tables would wrap. I'm willing to scroll
> > _down_ on a page, but will _not_ scroll horizontally. This
> > happpens for me with both browsers of choice on my system,
> > netscape4.7 and the Links text browser. Lynx wraps the table text
> > but does not render the tables overall well...
> >
> > Makes use of the site for me a very frustrating experience.
>
> --
> "There's never enough time to do        |    M. Adam Kendall
>  all the nothing you want."             |    mak@kha0s.org
>  -Bill Watterson (Calvin and Hobbes)    |    http://www.zopelabs.com
>
>
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From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 25 17:06:30 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:06:30 -0700
Subject: ZEO Client space was: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE,
 or any  desktop app w/Zope
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B338@desi2>

This makes a lot more sense now; Your client just 'borrows' Zope security
mechanisms, and uses them; your GUI platform is Zope with a new UI.  In the
case of an IDE, this makes sense.

The security thing, though, is still a concern, because in a typical
enterprise application, you want to be able to grant differing levels of
trust and privileges to certain folks; and if they all access the same ODB,
what (for example, in the case of an enterprise KM portal) prevents a clever
user (let's say, a Python programmer in the company's IT dept) from being
able to bypass the client security mechanism and get access to HR or payroll
data that he/she is not supposed to see?  

You could do host-based security, use a firewall, and limit access in
certain ways, but this still won't get you what you need.  You could use
encryption, but the issues are still the same.  In most RDB-based client
apps, a client libraries are set up on the users' machines by company IT
staff, who set passwords for certain types of access; control over
authentication mechanisms happens on a server, which is under control of a
restricted group of people.  

I guess, if you are just looking for applications that access data and call
methods written in Zope, XML-RPC would still be ideal, and have the security
features that would be needed.  

There is another advantage to using XML-RPC: XML transactions can be
brokered.  Suppose we are trying to create a newspaper editorial CMS-like
system, which stores news stories for different "desks" at a newspaper:
['news', 'features', 'sports'].  You have a diverse web farm of 6 nodes,
composed of 3 clusters ZEO clients (2 machines each, all nodes access a
single ZSS); each of these ZEO groups handles content and databases for each
"desk."   All of these desks access content through XML-RPC from fat
clients.  In this case, we want to be able to create a single virtual server
out of these; use a product like an Intel 7210 XML accelerator, and you can
loadbalance+direct traffic to the correct server by creating some XPath
queries of the request XML to see what database they are trying to access,
or what method they are calling, etc.  This would also allow us to speed
things up and do things like authenticate stuff in the "sports" database off
of one LDAP server set up for sports writers, and "news" off another.  I
understand that this wouldn't address parsing and marshalling latency, but
it seems like a good way to have a big application with many GUI clients set
up.

I know that this way we don't have access to as rich of an object set, or
acquisition, etc, but it seems like for most GUI apps, this would be a
reasonable thing to give up (for the time being, at least) to have the
flexibility and simplicity of using XML-RPC.  So, some might ask the
question: why create a client that simply treats Zope remote methods as a
"dumb" data source?  I'm not sure that a dumb transport necessarily makes
for an unintelligent application; it just means the application is a little
bit more autonomous from Zope (which could either be good or bad)...

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Pelletier [mailto:michel@digicool.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:25 PM
To: tim@freepm.org
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: ZEO Client space was: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop
IDE, or any desktop app w/Zope


On Thu, 24 May 2001, Tim Cook wrote:

> Michel Pelletier wrote:
>
> > XMLRPC could do this, but I'm afraid it would be seriously
> > limited.  XMLRPC is very useful, but it does not map as well as it could
> > onto the python object model.  I would prefer to see a GUI client
running
> > in the same process space as a ZEO client, this way the GUI client could
> > do everything that Zope could do and re-use alot of the existing
> > interfaces (like security, acquisition, script objects, etc).
> >
>
> Michel,
> I took this off list because it was off topic for the thread. But
> feel free to Cc it back if you feel it's important.  I think it
> was covered a few weeks ago on the -dev list but couldn't locate
> it.

It's not off topic so I'm cc:ing the list.

> Anyway, the question is: I thought I had read that using ZEO
> basically by-passed the Zope security model? Maybe I was thinking
> of direct ZODB access?

This is a good question.

Using ZEO does bypass the Zope security model, but then again, Zope
bypasses the Zope security model.  Zope is, essentially, a client that
implements an application on top of a persistent database.  Why can't your
client do the same thing?  Zope enforces security upon its users using
tested, re-usable interfaces.

You're should essentially change the user interface to the Zope core code
by making it call wxPython widgets or whatever instead of spewing HTML to
a browser over a socket.  If this GUIfied ZEO client ran on the same
machine as the server, it would actually be safer than a "real" Zope
ZEO client, which is exposed to the web.

We use ZEO clients to access Zope through many different interfaces, not
necessarily all of them over a network, or running in a context we don't
trust.  We use ZEO clients to debug zope from the command line, to serve
just FTP or a monitor server, and each different way of doingit is just a
shim on top of the core Zope interfaces.

By going with xml-rpc, you'll be shoving *very* rich interface semantics
of a full blown windowing sytem down the tiny semantic straw of xml-rpc,
to try and manipulate interfaces that were originally indented to be used
by medium to poor semantic HTML interfaces.  If you use a ZEO client,
there are no bottle necks.  You could render the object system in 3D
OpenGL if you wanted to, and still enforce the user.

Jerome's ZShell script shows how this can be done safely.  His shell is
essentialy just another interface to the Zope core code.  It would be very
dangerous if it did not use Zope's security API to restrict its actions.

In zshell's case, the interface is really simple, a command line. It is
probably not as safe to to grant access to this command line over
unprotected networks. and it would be unsafe to expose a GUIfied ZEO
client to unprotected networks, but this is easily mitigatable with things
like ssh or ssl.

-Michel



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From magnus/Websys@websys.no  Fri May 25 17:17:27 2001
From: magnus/Websys@websys.no (magnus/Websys@websys.no)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:17:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Choosing between ZODB and relational database/filesystem storage
In-Reply-To: <3B0E6F30.B58E5F73@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <H000006800014902.0990806784.sjef.websys.no@MHS>

> However, I think this is a weak argument for more complexity.

Actually we have even more complexity.  We use Java servlets (over xml-rpc) as 
a middle layer between Zope and the database (Oracle).  Only transient 
presentation-level data is stored in Zope.  We chose this structure for 
several reasons:

o It allows use to leverage all our existing competence, and we can work on 
different layers in parallel without conflicts.

o The data structures and the inter-layer protocols are only changed through a 
clear and defined process.  They form important and 'automatic' documentation.

o Every layer is relatively easily replaced or even collapsed into another.  
We can also have horizontal separation in each layer - for example using an 
application written in C to provide some of the functions in the business 
logic (Java) layer.

o Even though I love Python I feel more comfortable doing heavy computing in 
Java.  The JDBC interface to Oracle also works better for us than the Oracle 
adapter(s) for Zope.

o We are buzzword-compliant.

-Magnus



From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Fri May 25 17:57:56 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:57:56 -0500
Subject: [Zope] [Zope][ANN] ZImporter 0.4
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CDD@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

Hiya folks.
I'm more than happy to announce ZImporter v0.4 featuring:

* Bug Fixes:
  It works now :)
* XML Import:
  It works now, too :)
* Help files:
  They've been there, but thanks to the ZDG, I've figured out how to make
them show up.

Your feedback, both positive and negative is welcome.  Please keep
death-threats to a minimum :)

**Please read the readme and be aware of the security risks involved when
using the ZImporter.**

http://www.zope.org/Members/tfarrell/ZImporter/

Troy

Troy Farrell
Video Operations Technician III
Williams VYVX Services
Business Media Services
mailto:troy.farrell@wcg.com


From ivo@amaze.nl  Fri May 25 17:55:35 2001
From: ivo@amaze.nl (Ivo van der Wijk)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:55:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Disabling anonymous webdav access
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIMEILCBAA.brian@digicool.com>; from Brian Lloyd on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:19:10AM -0400
References: <20010516122103.A5882@amaze.nl> <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIMEILCBAA.brian@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <20010525185535.A3026@amaze.nl>

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:19:10AM -0400, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> > As someone pointed out on #zope, it is possible to view folder contents
> > using a webdav client as an anonymous user.
> > 
> 
> I'd like to add this for Zope 2.4, but slightly modified, and 
> I wanted to run this by the community for buy-in.
> 
> I propose that there be a "WebDAV Access" permission (to be 
> consistent w/the existing "FTP Access" permission) that protects 
> PROPFIND. Instead of defaulting to "Manager" only (as proposed by
> Ivo), I propose that it default to "Manager, Anonymous" so that
> current behavior is preserved. In other words, I think it is 
> better that sites continue to work exactly as before after the 
> change (but that the manager can then go turn off anonymous 
> DAV access), rather than have sites suddenly "stop working with
> WebDAV" until the manager goes and gives anonymous that 
> permission.
> 

I never really used webdav, so I don't know what applications will break
with my patch. I assume however that these applications understand 
authentication and will simply require a username/password.

I do think it should be made clear to the user that in default configuration, 
zope will allow this anonymous access - I know alot of people who find such
behaviour insecure and who would be scared if they found out afterwards
(as I did)

As for the proposed reverse proxy filtering, this will disable all webdav
access *the hard way* (i.e. PROPFIND will not be possible at all). And it 
will not make zope secure "out of the box".

Untill there is decent protocol based access, this looks like a nice patch.
nd of course, you're welcome to incorporate it in 2.4 :)

Cheers,

	Ivo

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From zopista@zopezen.org  Fri May 25 18:22:42 2001
From: zopista@zopezen.org (zopista)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:22:42 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ANN: www.zopelabs.com
References: <990679739.668.6.camel@cartman> <019a01c0e501$89b0d790$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <001b01c0e53f$4ff7e3c0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> Zope.org, zopezen.org and zopelabs.com responsible people: Please look at

Responsible me? Never :)

Yep nice idea. Ive got so many other things to do though, these things take
time and effort and we all have jobs to do. There is nothing to stop you
posting a few little tips on ZopeZen...

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.




From zopista@zopezen.org  Fri May 25 18:22:42 2001
From: zopista@zopezen.org (zopista)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:22:42 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ANN: www.zopelabs.com
References: <990679739.668.6.camel@cartman> <019a01c0e501$89b0d790$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <001b01c0e53f$4ff7e3c0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> Zope.org, zopezen.org and zopelabs.com responsible people: Please look at

Responsible me? Never :)

Yep nice idea. Ive got so many other things to do though, these things take
time and effort and we all have jobs to do. There is nothing to stop you
posting a few little tips on ZopeZen...

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.




From bill@libc.org  Fri May 25 18:39:54 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 25 May 2001 11:39:54 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZEO Client space was:
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105242050340.3196-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105242050340.3196-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <990812394.1443.1.camel@locutus>

On 24 May 2001 21:25:14 -0700, Michel Pelletier wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2001, Tim Cook wrote:
> 
> > Michel Pelletier wrote:
> >
> > > XMLRPC could do this, but I'm afraid it would be seriously
> > > limited.  XMLRPC is very useful, but it does not map as well as it could
> > > onto the python object model.  I would prefer to see a GUI client running
> > > in the same process space as a ZEO client, this way the GUI client could
> > > do everything that Zope could do and re-use alot of the existing
> > > interfaces (like security, acquisition, script objects, etc).
> > >
> >
> > Michel,
> > I took this off list because it was off topic for the thread. But
> > feel free to Cc it back if you feel it's important.  I think it
> > was covered a few weeks ago on the -dev list but couldn't locate
> > it.
> 
> It's not off topic so I'm cc:ing the list.
> 
> > Anyway, the question is: I thought I had read that using ZEO
> > basically by-passed the Zope security model? Maybe I was thinking
> > of direct ZODB access?
> 
> This is a good question.

A ZEO Client has full access to the underlying objetcs, that's kinda the
point of it. ZEO being independant of Zope, it has no clue about the
Zope security mechanism. I think it would be possible to make it aware,
but others disagree.
> 
> Using ZEO does bypass the Zope security model, but then again, Zope
> bypasses the Zope security model.  Zope is, essentially, a client that
> implements an application on top of a persistent database.  Why can't your
> client do the same thing?  Zope enforces security upon its users using
> tested, re-usable interfaces.

Here is the rub, and why ssh/ssl is irrelevant and insecure too.

You are trustin the client implicitly, as 'root' on the ZODB. ALL the
security is implemented on the CLIENT side with Zope, and and ZEo client
fo rtha matter. For example, try this out:

Set up a Zope ZSS. Set up a Zope ZSS client on the machine. Set up a
second one. In the first one, make your emergency user 'bob', password
'bar'. On the second, make the emergency user 'Fred', password 'spam'.

Fred has root-level access to the ZODB. I don't care if you use SSH
tunnelling or SSL, you are still giving the user god-like abilities to
do whatever they please with your database. if they wish, they can
replace their client's auth mechanism with one that returns true all the
time, without bothering to actually look at the authentication. They can
give themselves whatever roles they desire.

This makes it, an all or nothing approach. Either you give the user
'root' to your Zope database, or you don;t allow them ZEO access. IMO,
that is bad, and dangerous.

...

> By going with xml-rpc, you'll be shoving *very* rich interface semantics
> of a full blown windowing sytem down the tiny semantic straw of xml-rpc,
> to try and manipulate interfaces that were originally indented to be used
> by medium to poor semantic HTML interfaces.  If you use a ZEO client,
> there are no bottle necks.  You could render the object system in 3D
> OpenGL if you wanted to, and still enforce the user.

I agree, xml-rpc is not exactly the way to go for this type of usage.
SOAP perhaps, but not xmlrpc.

> 
> Jerome's ZShell script shows how this can be done safely.  His shell is
> essentialy just another interface to the Zope core code.  It would be very
> dangerous if it did not use Zope's security API to restrict its actions.
> 
> In zshell's case, the interface is really simple, a command line. It is
> probably not as safe to to grant access to this command line over
> unprotected networks. and it would be unsafe to expose a GUIfied ZEO
> client to unprotected networks, but this is easily mitigatable with things
> like ssh or ssl.

If ZShell connects via ZEO, it is insecure. You are correct that it
would be bad to allow over untrusted networks, as is any ZEO that needs
security of data/data modification. As I have mentioned, ssl/ssh are
mostly irrelevant to database security, as even though the data may be
non-usbale to network outsiders, those with access can literally do
anything. Whmever you give access to via ZEo has unlimited authority on
the database.

For example, the oops in the ZShell 1.0 release illustrates this nicely.
To wit:
"""
This means that unfortunately the setperms command doesn't check if the
user has the "Change permissions" permission before changing
permissions,
and changes them.
"""

So, you give a user you presumably trust, ssh/ssl access to use ZShell.
They comment this code out, or the code that even botehrs to check for
permssion to do anything, and now they now '0WNZ Y0ur z0p3 sist3m'.

I think ZEO needs a forced authentication path hook. It wouldn't need to
implement the actual security, but would provide a method where upon the
app designer could say 'when accessing objects, first run through this
method to determine access level'. But that's a separate thread, for a
different list. :)






From alet@unice.fr  Fri May 25 19:16:06 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:16:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZEO Client space was:
In-Reply-To: <990812394.1443.1.camel@locutus>; from bill@libc.org on Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:39:54AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105242050340.3196-100000@localhost.localdomain> <990812394.1443.1.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <20010525201606.A688@nordine.ateur>

On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:39:54AM -0600, Bill Anderson wrote:
> 
> So, you give a user you presumably trust, ssh/ssl access to use ZShell.
> They comment this code out, or the code that even botehrs to check for
> permssion to do anything, and now they now '0WNZ Y0ur z0p3 sist3m'.

Except that in this particular case the user would also have to have 
got filesystem write access to the Extensions directory and a 
Manager role in /Control_Panel in order for him to be able to 
comment out the code and restart Zope, because ZShell
is currently an external method.

Anyway I tend to agree with you, it shouldn't be possible to bypass 
the security mechanism.

bye,

Jerome Alet


From msg4bob@yahoo.com  Fri May 25 13:57:05 2001
From: msg4bob@yahoo.com (Bobby Mathew)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:27:05 +0530
Subject: [Zope] Zope folder property manipulation problem
Message-ID: <006d01c0e51a$35a09280$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>

Hi guys

I am struggling with a small part. I passed the following parameter to this
python script - fname, newvar, newval, newtype
I am trying to change the current variable say memberid which is passed
within newvar with a newvalue say 100 which is passed in newval. But its not
getting changed. The line indicated below has no effect
------------------------------------
if container.hasProp(fname, newvar):
  container[fname].manage_changeProperties(newvar = newval) (this line is
suppossed to make the change - but no effect)
  print fname + '-0'
else:
  try:
    container[fname].manage_addProperty(newvar, newval, newtype)
    print 1
  except:
    print 0
return printed
-----------------------------------
how do i make python understand that i want the value with the newvar to be
used and to be set with the value within newval ???

please advice me. thanks

bobby


From leighann@onebox.com  Fri May 25 19:33:00 2001
From: leighann@onebox.com (Leigh Ann Hildebrand)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:33:00 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZSearch Results Calling URL?
Message-ID: <20010525183300.GXVM18323.mta09.onebox.com@onebox.com>

> > This works too, but 2.3 added new interfaces to brains:
> > <td><a href="<dtml-var getURL>">... is the best way.
 
> This wy works really well for me :-)
 
This worked perfectly! Thanks!

Leigh Ann

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From leighann@onebox.com  Fri May 25 19:40:16 2001
From: leighann@onebox.com (Leigh Ann Hildebrand)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:40:16 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Index types, property types
Message-ID: <20010525184016.VUJL20752.mta04.onebox.com@onebox.com>

I've read the documentation about various index types (Text, Field, Keyword)
as well as the information about property types. However, I'm having
problems understanding how to decide which to use for different situations.
For instance, I originally made document keywords a property "keywords"
of the type "tokens", but it seems like tokens are case sensitive, and
I'd be better off using just "string" -- or maybe it's that having the
keyword property be indexed as KeywordIndex is a bad choice? 

Could someone compare and contrast these things a bit more for me?

Leigh Ann

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From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 25 20:02:26 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:02:26 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZEO Client space was:
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B339@desi2>

Right: there is no box root exploit issue, but if the ODB has a method that
connects to your RDB and flushes out a table, in a non-transactional rdb,
you are screwed if someone can, from an arbitrary client do this sort of
thing.

Also, I would think that ZEO CS->ZSS type traffic would be best run on its
own switched VLAN for security and performance reasons.

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerome Alet [mailto:alet@unice.fr]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:16 AM
To: Bill Anderson
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: ZEO Client space was:


On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:39:54AM -0600, Bill Anderson wrote:
> 
> So, you give a user you presumably trust, ssh/ssl access to use ZShell.
> They comment this code out, or the code that even botehrs to check for
> permssion to do anything, and now they now '0WNZ Y0ur z0p3 sist3m'.

Except that in this particular case the user would also have to have 
got filesystem write access to the Extensions directory and a 
Manager role in /Control_Panel in order for him to be able to 
comment out the code and restart Zope, because ZShell
is currently an external method.

Anyway I tend to agree with you, it shouldn't be possible to bypass 
the security mechanism.

bye,

Jerome Alet

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From Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com  Fri May 25 19:59:18 2001
From: Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:59:18 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Index types, property types
References: <20010525184016.VUJL20752.mta04.onebox.com@onebox.com>
Message-ID: <0bb601c0e54c$cdc15a90$0901000a@SUXLAP>

Take a look at the corresponding section of the Zope book:

http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/SearchingZCatalog.dtml

It gives you a very good introduction into using the ZCatalog.

Andreas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leigh Ann Hildebrand" <leighann@onebox.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:40 PM
Subject: [Zope] Index types, property types


> I've read the documentation about various index types (Text, Field,
Keyword)
> as well as the information about property types. However, I'm having
> problems understanding how to decide which to use for different
situations.
> For instance, I originally made document keywords a property "keywords"
> of the type "tokens", but it seems like tokens are case sensitive, and
> I'd be better off using just "string" -- or maybe it's that having the
> keyword property be indexed as KeywordIndex is a bad choice?
>
> Could someone compare and contrast these things a bit more for me?
>
> Leigh Ann
>
> --
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From leighann@onebox.com  Fri May 25 20:12:56 2001
From: leighann@onebox.com (Leigh Ann Hildebrand)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:12:56 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Index types, property types
Message-ID: <20010525191256.WAIQ10107.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com>

Thank you for the suggestion. However, I've got just that already sitting
here on my desk -- as I said, I've read the documentation available.
I'm looking for something *more* than that explanation, which doesn't
really seem to make clear the pros and cons of using the various types.


Leigh Ann



---- "Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com> wrote:
> Take a look at the corresponding section of the Zope book:
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/SearchingZCatalog.dtml
> 
> It gives you a very good introduction into using the ZCatalog.
> 
> Andreas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leigh Ann Hildebrand" <leighann@onebox.com>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:40 PM
> Subject: [Zope] Index types, property types
> 
> 
> > I've read the documentation about various index types (Text, Field,
> Keyword)
> > as well as the information about property types. However, I'm having
> > problems understanding how to decide which to use for different
> situations.
> > For instance, I originally made document keywords a property "keywords"
> > of the type "tokens", but it seems like tokens are case sensitive,
> and
> > I'd be better off using just "string" -- or maybe it's that having
> the
> > keyword property be indexed as KeywordIndex is a bad choice?
> >
> > Could someone compare and contrast these things a bit more for me?
> >
> > Leigh Ann
> >
> > --
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> > leighann@onebox.com - email
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From Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com  Fri May 25 20:17:44 2001
From: Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:17:44 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Index types, property types
References: <20010525191256.WAIQ10107.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com>
Message-ID: <0be901c0e54f$61850ae0$0901000a@SUXLAP>

>From the Zope book:

TextIndex
     Searches text. Use this kind of index when you want a full-text search.
FieldIndex
     Searches objects for specific values. Use this kind of index when you
want to search date objects, numbers, or specific strings.
KeywordIndex
     Searches collections of specific values. This index is like a
FieldIndex, but it allows you to search collections rather than single
values.

I don't see your problems at this time. Every index has its special purpose.
If you need more help provide some informations about the things you
are trying to index.

Andreas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leigh Ann Hildebrand" <leighann@onebox.com>
To: "Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Index types, property types


> Thank you for the suggestion. However, I've got just that already sitting
> here on my desk -- as I said, I've read the documentation available.
> I'm looking for something *more* than that explanation, which doesn't
> really seem to make clear the pros and cons of using the various types.
>
>




From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May 25 20:22:10 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:22:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZEO Client space was:
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B339@desi2>
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B339@desi2>
Message-ID: <5912055.990825730@BUZZER>

Hi,

--On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 12:02 -0700 sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:

> Right: there is no box root exploit issue, but if the ODB has a method
> that connects to your RDB and flushes out a table, in a non-transactional
> rdb, you are screwed if someone can, from an arbitrary client do this
> sort of thing.
>
> Also, I would think that ZEO CS->ZSS type traffic would be best run on its
> own switched VLAN for security and performance reasons.

Vlans do not add considerable security. Since often the setup includes
a firewall, one cant use them anyway in these cases.

I think to solve the problem for arbitrary clients accessing ZODB
we need an additionally layer on top of the application logic
which can then be accessed via net using authorisation and such.
We need this layer anyway for better application abstraction.

But I fear this goes out of the scope of this thread.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain


From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May 25 20:27:06 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:27:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Index types, property types
In-Reply-To: <20010525191256.WAIQ10107.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com>
References: <20010525191256.WAIQ10107.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com>
Message-ID: <6208537.990826026@BUZZER>

Hi Leigh,

choose the types that are appropriate for the type
of information you want to store.

You may use more then one variant to collect the information
into a ZCatalog. <trickbox> you can as example using a
method to concenate all your fields into one text block
and use "fulltext index" for the method and "keyword index"
the same time for each of the fields. This way you can
make a navigation or selection out of the keywords and
use fulltext search too. </trickbox>

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 12:12 -0700 Leigh Ann Hildebrand 
<leighann@onebox.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the suggestion. However, I've got just that already sitting
> here on my desk -- as I said, I've read the documentation available.
> I'm looking for something *more* than that explanation, which doesn't
> really seem to make clear the pros and cons of using the various types.
>
>
> Leigh Ann
>
>
>
> ---- "Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com> wrote:
>> Take a look at the corresponding section of the Zope book:
>>
>> http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/SearchingZCatalog.dtml
>>
>> It gives you a very good introduction into using the ZCatalog.
>>
>> Andreas
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Leigh Ann Hildebrand" <leighann@onebox.com>
>> To: <zope@zope.org>
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:40 PM
>> Subject: [Zope] Index types, property types
>>
>>
>> > I've read the documentation about various index types (Text, Field,
>> Keyword)
>> > as well as the information about property types. However, I'm having
>> > problems understanding how to decide which to use for different
>> situations.
>> > For instance, I originally made document keywords a property "keywords"
>> > of the type "tokens", but it seems like tokens are case sensitive,
>> and
>> > I'd be better off using just "string" -- or maybe it's that having
>> the
>> > keyword property be indexed as KeywordIndex is a bad choice?
>> >
>> > Could someone compare and contrast these things a bit more for me?
>> >
>> > Leigh Ann
>> >
>> > --
>> > Leigh Ann Hildebrand
>> > leighann@onebox.com - email
>> > (650) 223-2199 x2231 - voicemail/fax
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>> >
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From tommy@7x.com  Fri May 25 20:33:57 2001
From: tommy@7x.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:33:57 -0800
Subject: [Zope] Money format
Message-ID: <BKEPLFMFGHIJDGLKDKJHOEJJCAAA.tommy@7x.com>

Het all,

I'm looking for a string format function that formats a string (real numbers
eg. 30.0 or 25.88) to a money format ($0.00)

I would prefer to do this in DTML if possible.

Thanks in advance,
Tommy

Not a Zope expert yet - but give me a few weeks!  ;>



From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Fri May 25 20:46:31 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:46:31 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZEO Client space was:
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B33A@desi2>

Actually, I was referring to non-routed VLANs, on the same switch(es), setup
so that each ZEO Client has another NIC just to access that VLAN, which has
no other traffic.  I am currently setting up something like this, but I have
the luxury of a dedicated NIC for this purpose (well, almost, I have udp
heartbeats on this as well).  I am trying to keep the ZEO server as isolated
as possible from other networks.

Forgive me if this is a dumb questions, but is there a way to bind the ZSS
process to serve certain particular interfaces only?

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Tino Wildenhain [mailto:tino@wildenhain.de]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:22 PM
To: sean.upton@uniontrib.com; alet@unice.fr; bill@libc.org
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: RE: [Zope] Re: ZEO Client space was:


Hi,

--On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 12:02 -0700 sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:

> Right: there is no box root exploit issue, but if the ODB has a method
> that connects to your RDB and flushes out a table, in a non-transactional
> rdb, you are screwed if someone can, from an arbitrary client do this
> sort of thing.
>
> Also, I would think that ZEO CS->ZSS type traffic would be best run on its
> own switched VLAN for security and performance reasons.

Vlans do not add considerable security. Since often the setup includes
a firewall, one cant use them anyway in these cases.

I think to solve the problem for arbitrary clients accessing ZODB
we need an additionally layer on top of the application logic
which can then be accessed via net using authorisation and such.
We need this layer anyway for better application abstraction.

But I fear this goes out of the scope of this thread.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

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From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May 25 20:46:54 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:46:54 +0200
Subject: [Zope] The time 2177798400.000000 is beyond the range of this
 Python implementation.
In-Reply-To: <3B0E3462.85C09E39@zeitspringer.de>
References: <3B0E3462.85C09E39@zeitspringer.de>
Message-ID: <7396250.990827214@BUZZER>

Hi,


--On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 12:30 +0200 Sven Hohage 
<sven.hohage@zeitspringer.de> wrote:

> Hello,
> i've got this problem with the date-value 2039/01/05.
> Nearby this value it seems to be a python-time-limit!
> Is this changed with 2.0 and when not what can you do??
> Tell your customer not to think about the future ;-)
>
Where is the problem? Where is the limit? AFAIK zopes DateTime
object uses a floating point number internally to store the
seconds. I dont see this overflow in the near future :)
However, I can instantiate even DateTime('2052/01/05')
May be you have mixed it up with the systemclock - c-library
interface which is in fact 32bit only (on most systems)?

Regards
Tino


From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May 25 20:55:00 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:55:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] index.html problem
In-Reply-To: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMGEFFEDAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>
References: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMGEFFEDAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.p
 >
Message-ID: <7881776.990827700@BUZZER>

Hi fritz,

--On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 15:32 +0800 Fritz Mesedilla 
<fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph> wrote:

> well, the reason i wanted to use index.html is for log files to process it
> properly.

This is even not neccesary for "ordinary" (file based) web servers.
One would link to the folders and use the folder names.
web-analyzing software has aliases for this.
(I dont really see why one would use ugly urls with something like
"index.html" in it)

Regards
Tino :-)

> but thanks to web*r (i'm not advertising cause i don't even know them) i
> was able to produce the webstats we needed though i had a lot of trial
> and error going. zope produces images as *folders* in log files that it
> includes that in the stats. but i was able to find a way to omit this.
>
> thanks all.
>
> Fritz Mesedilla
> Systems Administrator
>
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> Lord
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Philippe Jadin [mailto:philippe.jadin@123piano.com]
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:28 AM
>> To: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph
>> Subject: Re: [Zope] index.html problem
>>
>>
>> > how come when we changed our filenames from index_html to index.html
>> things
>> > started to get messy?
>> >
>> > some pages appear properly but some retrieve pages from other
>> directories.
>> >
>> > is there a *rule* that we can't change this?
>>
>> A simple solution would be to place an index.html file in the root simply
>> containing <dtml-var index_html> in it. Then keep your index_html
>> files, and
>> link to the index.html file. But then comes the question : why use
>> index.html files?
>>
>> Should work...
>>
>> Philippe
>>
>
>
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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Fri May 25 20:59:54 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:59:54 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope folder property manipulation problem
References: <006d01c0e51a$35a09280$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <3B0EB9BA.ED485208@kaivo.com>

Bobby Mathew wrote:
> 
> Hi guys
> 
> I am struggling with a small part. I passed the following parameter to this
> python script - fname, newvar, newval, newtype
> I am trying to change the current variable say memberid which is passed
> within newvar with a newvalue say 100 which is passed in newval. But its not
> getting changed. The line indicated below has no effect
> ------------------------------------
> if container.hasProp(fname, newvar):
>   container[fname].manage_changeProperties(newvar = newval) (this line is
> suppossed to make the change - but no effect)

There is no property "newvar" which is what Zope thinks you want to
change. To pass variables as the keyword (and property name), you need
to use apply. Try this:

apply(container[fname].manage_changeProperties, (None,), {newvar:
newval})

>   print fname + '-0'
> else:
>   try:
>     container[fname].manage_addProperty(newvar, newval, newtype)
>     print 1
>   except:
>     print 0
> return printed
> -----------------------------------
> how do i make python understand that i want the value with the newvar to be
> used and to be set with the value within newval ???
> 
> please advice me. thanks
> 
> bobby
> 

hth,
-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Fri May 25 21:01:44 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:01:44 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] index.html problem
In-Reply-To: <7881776.990827700@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105252359230.27982-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Fri, 25 May 2001, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> (I dont really see why one would use ugly urls with something like
> "index.html" in it)

   It is useful if you suck the entire site (with wget, e.g) - if links
point to ".../xxx/index.html" you just click the link. If links point to
".../xxx/" - you need two clicks (the first click will moves you to the
dicrectory listing).

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May 25 21:44:11 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:44:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] index.html problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105252359230.27982-100000@phd.fep.ru>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105252359230.27982-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <10833475.990830651@BUZZER>

Hi Oleg,

--On Samstag, 26. Mai 2001 00:01 +0400 Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> 
wrote:

> On Fri, 25 May 2001, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
>> (I dont really see why one would use ugly urls with something like
>> "index.html" in it)
>
>    It is useful if you suck the entire site (with wget, e.g) - if links
> point to ".../xxx/index.html" you just click the link. If links point to
> ".../xxx/" - you need two clicks (the first click will moves you to the
> dicrectory listing).

Is this usefull? If I would like someone else to suck my webpage off
(why should I want this?) (s)he could as well use a more appropriate
tool. If wget does not handle this use pavuk or whatever :)

Regards
Tino

> Oleg.
> ----
>      Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
>            Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
>






From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May 25 22:02:56 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 23:02:56 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Money format
In-Reply-To: <BKEPLFMFGHIJDGLKDKJHOEJJCAAA.tommy@7x.com>
References: <BKEPLFMFGHIJDGLKDKJHOEJJCAAA.tommy@7x.com>
Message-ID: <11957701.990831775@BUZZER>

Hi Tommy,

--On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 11:33 -0800 Tommy Johnson <tommy@7x.com> wrote:

> Het all,
>
> I'm looking for a string format function that formats a string (real
> numbers eg. 30.0 or 25.88) to a money format ($0.00)
>
> I would prefer to do this in DTML if possible.

actually, it is: <dtml-var your_ammount fmt="dollars-and-cents">
which is considered very ugly and I hope it will get deprecated
soon as possible ;)
However, in your case it is exacly what you want.

(I say I dont like it because I have the internationalisation in
mind. A world that not only consists of $ money ;)

Regards
Tino


From andres@corrada.com  Fri May 25 22:10:20 2001
From: andres@corrada.com (andres@corrada.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:10:20 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Money format
In-Reply-To: <BKEPLFMFGHIJDGLKDKJHOEJJCAAA.tommy@7x.com>; from Tommy Johnson on Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:33:57AM -0800
References: <BKEPLFMFGHIJDGLKDKJHOEJJCAAA.tommy@7x.com>
Message-ID: <20010525171020.A10736@corrada.com>

Try <dtml-var foo fmt="dollars-and-cents">.

On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:33:57AM -0800, Tommy Johnson wrote:
> Het all,
> 
> I'm looking for a string format function that formats a string (real numbers
> eg. 30.0 or 25.88) to a money format ($0.00)
> 
> I would prefer to do this in DTML if possible.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Tommy
> 
> Not a Zope expert yet - but give me a few weeks!  ;>
> 
> 
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May 25 22:19:22 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 23:19:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZEO Client space was:
In-Reply-To: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B33A@desi2>
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B33A@desi2>
Message-ID: <12944305.990832762@BUZZER>

Hi sean,


--On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 12:46 -0700 sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:

> Actually, I was referring to non-routed VLANs, on the same switch(es),

I know :) But this is only a convenience-function. It does
not add relevant security. With the right knowledge
you can speak to different vlans via software on any
host down the line.

> setup so that each ZEO Client has another NIC just to access that VLAN,
> which has no other traffic.  I am currently setting up something like
> this, but I have the luxury of a dedicated NIC for this purpose (well,
> almost, I have udp heartbeats on this as well).  I am trying to keep the
> ZEO server as isolated as possible from other networks.
>
> Forgive me if this is a dumb questions, but is there a way to bind the ZSS
> process to serve certain particular interfaces only?

dont have the time to look at the source right now, but
look for the part with <socket>.bind(host,port) (not
literally)
where host is an empty string in ZEO server. Replace
this with the IP or hostname of the interface you want
to bind. (on any best fitting place down the call line)
(may be there is an option to ZEO server already)

Regards
Tino Wildenhain


From leighann@onebox.com  Fri May 25 22:27:06 2001
From: leighann@onebox.com (Leigh Ann Hildebrand)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:27:06 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Index types, property types
Message-ID: <20010525212706.XFHV10107.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com>

*sigh* I give up. I'll just use trial and error, as I'm tired of being
RTFM'd about this. 

-- 
Leigh Ann Hildebrand
leighann@onebox.com - email
(650) 223-2199 x2231 - voicemail/fax



---- "Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com> wrote:
> From the Zope book:
> 
> TextIndex
>      Searches text. Use this kind of index when you want a full-text
> search.
> FieldIndex
>      Searches objects for specific values. Use this kind of index when
> you
> want to search date objects, numbers, or specific strings.
> KeywordIndex
>      Searches collections of specific values. This index is like a
> FieldIndex, but it allows you to search collections rather than single
> values.
> 
> I don't see your problems at this time. Every index has its special
> purpose.
> If you need more help provide some informations about the things you
> are trying to index.
> 
> Andreas
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leigh Ann Hildebrand" <leighann@onebox.com>
> To: "Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com>
> Cc: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Index types, property types
> 
> 
> > Thank you for the suggestion. However, I've got just that already
> sitting
> > here on my desk -- as I said, I've read the documentation available.
> > I'm looking for something *more* than that explanation, which doesn't
> > really seem to make clear the pros and cons of using the various
> types.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 

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From tino@wildenhain.de  Fri May 25 22:35:14 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 23:35:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope] [Q] thread option in Python
In-Reply-To: <SAK.2001.05.25.oscbjfis@bipa>
References: <SAK.2001.05.25.oscbjfis@bipa>
Message-ID: <13896521.990833714@BUZZER>

Hi yiy,


--On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 20:58 +0900 arbago <arbago@kornet.net> wrote:

> 01-05-25 =BF=C0=C8=C4 8:54:13
> Thanks, Tino.
> The environment is
>   Devian 2.2 (Potato)
>   Kernel 2.19
>   AMD486
>   ZOPE 2.3.2
>   Python 1.52

does not sound unusual.

> That is all of mine.  I did not install other things than the source
> tarball from zope.org.
>
> There are two things.
> 1. I can not log-in as the manager account. (Sometimes yes,
> but sometimes no.)

what exactly are you doing? Using what browser from which machine?
Zope is executed with start? So zserver is in use?

> 2. The management interface screen does not reflect the changes
> I make immediately.  Maybe some time has passed, and I make a
> connection to the zope, then it shows the changes.

May be per chance its a problem related to your browser (cache,
proxy)?

At least Internetexplorer is known to have completely cluttered
settings in that area. (Check for "ask every time for new documents")

HTH
Tino Wildenhain
>
> Joo-Yung
>
> Original message from: Tino Wildenhain
>> Hi Yoon,
>>
>> if you dont have threads zope would not start.
>>
>> Are you by chance using ZEO?
>> Please provide exact information about your environment.
>> (system, compiler, python version, zope version, installed
>> products)
>>
>> Regards
>> Tino
>>
>> --On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 09:41 +0900 "YOON, Joo-Yung" <yjy@kldp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I built zope from source, but it acts strange.
>>> When I make any change in the Zope management screen, it works, but
>>> I can not see the change (e.g. newly added folder) on the screen.
>>> So, I would like to know what happens to Zope if Python was not built
> with
>>> --with-thread option.
>>>
>>> joo-yung
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>






From Marco Cantu' <marco@marcocantu.com>  Fri May 25 23:51:21 2001
From: Marco Cantu' <marco@marcocantu.com> (Marco Cantu')
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:51:21 +0200
Subject: Re[2]: [Zope] Prerequisites for a desktop IDE, or any desktop  app w/ Zope
In-Reply-To: <200105241605130440.01823BD7@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B332@desi2>
 <3B0D87A2.E5BC1515@tismer.com> <3B0D8912.719DD4CC@tismer.com>
 <200105241605130440.01823BD7@mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com>
Message-ID: <107005693.20010526005121@marcocantu.com>

Bruce (and others),

> Borland rethought it and decided it wasn't
> really necessary,

But then they slowly dropped form the source code some of
the design time units, and now Delphi doesn't allows you to
use portions of its IDE in a stand-alone application, which
is quite reasonable.

> And Delphi is able to produce .dfm files at runtime and to read them back
> in.

I think there is also an open and free dfm to XMl converter
around.

> It is so self-contained that it is somehow waiting to be
> stolen as a generic app framework.

See above. I can also check the license, but I don't think
there is any reference...

---
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 US: marco@marcocantu.com - http://www.marcocantu.com
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From Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net  Fri May 25 23:50:29 2001
From: Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net (Fernando Fuente)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:50:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: http-cache, caching elements
Message-ID: <005901c0e56d$fb6d1580$010aa8c0@uhxk>

hi,

does anyone know how to cache objects like gifs by a http-cache? my problem
is that i have a navigation (constructed via tables) that is set up and
changes dynamically every time a link is hit. this table includes a small
picture. i think with the standard http-cache i can only cache "finished"
html sites.  therefore the picture is loaded every time i click on links
that have not been clicked on before. i would like to cache this special
element explicetly. can it be done?

thanks a lot,

fernando





From Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net  Fri May 25 23:55:46 2001
From: Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net (Fernando Fuente)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:55:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: wysiwyg-like editors
Message-ID: <005a01c0e56d$fc25b720$010aa8c0@uhxk>

hi all,

does anyone know good wysiwyg-like editors that can be integrated into
zope-sites. am thinking of providing an easy user interface for
unexperienced redacteurs who should be able to create simple web-sites in
zope, like they used to do with common editors....

cheers,

fernando



From Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net  Fri May 25 23:40:33 2001
From: Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net (Fernando Fuente)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:40:33 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: dtml or python comand requested
Message-ID: <005801c0e56d$fae6ce80$010aa8c0@uhxk>

hi all,

i hope this isn't too trivial. :)

i recently constructed a navigation bar with zope. now i would like to
include a functionality to switch languages. when clicking on a "spanish"
button, the folder ids that are displayed shall be replaced by the values of
a spanish attribute - the corresponding spanish description for the link.
depending on whether spanish content exists for this link either a spanish
or english default document shall be displayed in the right part of the
window. for carrying out this if-query i need to look dynamically - always
when the button is clicked - into the folder level, one level below the
context and search the "spanish_default". so, please, what is the command
(dtml or python) for "starting a search" for a document that is situated in
a folder (which is not known by name, because it changes) one level below
the current context folder. (like  <dtml-if ../spanish_default> do...    ).


thanx,

fernando




From rhess@bic.ch  Sat May 26 00:07:04 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 01:07:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] RE: LocalFS manage_overwrite Permissions Question
Message-ID: <3B0EE598.8C25B122@bic.ch>

Hi

I stumbled about a problem in LocalFS today, and when searching the mail
archives, I found that the question was raised already in March, but not
answered. So I send the answer also to the list. Here is the archived
email:

http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2001-March/085619.html

The *Overwrite local file* permission is not working from the ZMI, so
that
only users with the *Manager* role can overwrite a file via uploading.

I run Zope 2.3.2 with LocalFS-0.10.1 (which is the actual version on
zope.org).

The problem is a typo in module LocalFS, class LocalDirectory, method
manage_overwrite (line 678 in LocalFS.py).

Instead of:
if user is None or not user.has_permission('Overwrite files', self):

it must read:
if user is None or not user.has_permission('Overwrite local files',
self):
------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^---------------


I apologize, if the typo is already known and I come with something old.


Greetings

--- Flynt


From complaw@hal-pc.org  Sat May 26 00:19:36 2001
From: complaw@hal-pc.org (complaw@hal-pc.org)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 23:19:36 GMT
Subject: [Zope] DTML/Python to upload documents
Message-ID: <200105252319.SAA02218@mail.hal-pc.org>

First, let me say that I'm making a site for lawyers to use to upload 
documents.  Now you know why it needs to be as simple to use as possible.  The 
easiest thing to do would be to use the Zope interface.  It doesn't always work 
out that way...

I have created a form (DTML method), an addFormAction (DTML Method), and a 
Python script to make a pretty screen for gathering information and uploading 
the file.  I would like to do something fancy with the ID (like remove blanks 
from the filename, change : and / to _, etc, and be certain that it is a unique 
id.  But that is for another day...

The problem with the following code is that it does not put a file in my 
folder.  All it does is copy the location of the file (e.g., 
G:\some\path\to\file\filename.pdf).  No document.

If I get this right, I'm going to post in on ZopeLabs.  (ZopeLabs is a really 
great idea, incidentally.)

Here is the code for the form...

<dtml-var standard_html_header>

<H3 ALIGN="center">Add a Document Associated with the <dtml-var case_style></H3>
<P ALIGN="center">Enter the information below to upload the document.</P> 

<FORM ACTION="addFileAction" METHOD="POST">

  <table border="0" cellspacing="8" width="95%" align="center">
    <tr>
      <th width="25%" align="right">Date of the document:</td>
      <td width="75%" align="left"><input type="text" size="40" 
name="document_date:date" value="<dtml-var ZopeTime fmt="%B %d, %Y">"></td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
      <th width="25%" align="right"><em>Brief</em> description of the 
document:</td>
      <td width="75%" align="left"><input type="text" size="40" 
name="description" value=""></td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
      <th width="25%" align="right">Keywords to help people find this 
document:</td>
      <td width="75%" align="left"><input type="text" size="40" name="keywords" 
value=""></td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
      <th width="25%" align="right">Unique Filename for the document (No 
blanks): </td>
      <td width="75%" align="left"><input type="text" size="40" 
name="fileid"></td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
      <th width="25%" align="right">The document to upload:</td>
      <td width="75%" align="left"><input type="file" size="40" 
name="uploaded_file"></td>
    </tr>
    <TR>
      <TD WIDTH="25%" ALIGN="right"></TD>
      <TD WIDTH="75%" ALIGN="left"><INPUT TYPE="submit" VALUE="Upload Document">
                                   <INPUT TYPE="reset" VALUE="Clear">
      </TD>
    </TR>
  </TABLE>

</form>

<dtml-var standard_html_footer>


Here is the code for the addFileAction DTML Method....

<dtml-var standard_html_header>

<dtml-call expr="addFile(document_date, description, keywords, fileid, 
uploaded_file)">

<h1 align="center">Thank you for your entry!</h1>

<p align="center"><a href="<dtml-var URL1>">Return</a> back to the documents 
page.</p>

<dtml-var standard_html_footer>


And, finally, the Python script...


# This code adds a file to the folder...

# Use the user-supplied fileid as the id...

id = fileid

# Create the document...
context.manage_addProduct['OFSP'].manage_addFile(id, title=description, 
precondition="", file=uploaded_file)

# Add the properties...
doc=getattr(context, id)
doc.manage_addProperty('document_date', document_date, 'date')
doc.manage_addProperty('description', description, 'string')
doc.manage_addProperty('keywords', keywords, 'string')


I'm sure you all guessed where I picked up this line of thought and code.

I'm probably missing some little thing.  I've gone over load_site.py, File.py 
and Image.py and sevearl HOWTO's, but still managed to miss the solution.  The 
upload page of Zope itself has many solutions, but I couldn't find the 
particular file in the source for the upload file page.

I think that somehow the contents of the file are not getting through the form, 
but haven't been able to confirm that.  

Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Ron





From marc@bowery.com  Sat May 26 00:25:39 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:25:39 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: wysiwyg-like editors
In-Reply-To: <005a01c0e56d$fc25b720$010aa8c0@uhxk>
Message-ID: <B7346233.2DEBE%marc@bowery.com>

There's a little javascript called HTMLEdit, floating around the 'net, looks
promising...

> From: "Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net>
> Reply-To: "Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net>
> Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:55:46 +0200
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: wysiwyg-like editors
> 
> hi all,
> 
> does anyone know good wysiwyg-like editors that can be integrated into
> zope-sites. am thinking of providing an easy user interface for
> unexperienced redacteurs who should be able to create simple web-sites in
> zope, like they used to do with common editors....
> 
> cheers,
> 
> fernando
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From yjy@kldp.org  Sat May 26 00:53:25 2001
From: yjy@kldp.org (YOON, Joo-Yung)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 08:53:25 +0900
Subject: [Zope] [Q] thread option in Python
In-Reply-To: <13896521.990833714@BUZZER>; from tino@wildenhain.de on Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:35:14PM +0200
References: <SAK.2001.05.25.oscbjfis@bipa> <13896521.990833714@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <20010526085325.A15630@kldp.org>

Dear Tino,
Thank you very much.  (Danke Shoen!)

Now it works.
I changed the preferences
  from: never compares
  to  : everytime it opens the page.

It acts fine with new changes and log-in.
(I am working on zope with IE5.5 under Windows98, and 
 use start to run zope initially.)

Warm regards,

Joo-Yung

On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:35:14PM +0200, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> Hi yiy,
> 
> 
> --On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 20:58 +0900 arbago <arbago@kornet.net> wrote:
> 
> > 01-05-25 ¿ÀÈÄ 8:54:13
> > Thanks, Tino.
> > The environment is
> >   Devian 2.2 (Potato)
> >   Kernel 2.19
> >   AMD486
> >   ZOPE 2.3.2
> >   Python 1.52
> 
> does not sound unusual.
> 
> > That is all of mine.  I did not install other things than the source
> > tarball from zope.org.
> >
> > There are two things.
> > 1. I can not log-in as the manager account. (Sometimes yes,
> > but sometimes no.)
> 
> what exactly are you doing? Using what browser from which machine?
> Zope is executed with start? So zserver is in use?
> 
> > 2. The management interface screen does not reflect the changes
> > I make immediately.  Maybe some time has passed, and I make a
> > connection to the zope, then it shows the changes.
> 
> May be per chance its a problem related to your browser (cache,
> proxy)?
> 
> At least Internetexplorer is known to have completely cluttered
> settings in that area. (Check for "ask every time for new documents")
> 
> HTH
> Tino Wildenhain
> >
> > Joo-Yung
> >
> > Original message from: Tino Wildenhain
> >> Hi Yoon,
> >>
> >> if you dont have threads zope would not start.
> >>
> >> Are you by chance using ZEO?
> >> Please provide exact information about your environment.
> >> (system, compiler, python version, zope version, installed
> >> products)
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Tino
> >>
> >> --On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 09:41 +0900 "YOON, Joo-Yung" <yjy@kldp.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I built zope from source, but it acts strange.
> >>> When I make any change in the Zope management screen, it works, but
> >>> I can not see the change (e.g. newly added folder) on the screen.
> >>> So, I would like to know what happens to Zope if Python was not built
> > with
> >>> --with-thread option.
> >>>
> >>> joo-yung
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> >>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> >>> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> >>> (Related lists -
> >>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 


From bill@libc.org  Sat May 26 02:15:07 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 25 May 2001 19:15:07 -0600
Subject: [Zope] RE: Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <007101c0e2d4$9ee92ec0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
References: <EMEBLHHNMMONGIHFFHOCOEAFCBAA.caz@tcdi.com>
 <007101c0e2d4$9ee92ec0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <990839707.2104.0.camel@locutus>

On 22 May 2001 11:33:58 -0400, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
> I think everyone agrees that wxPython is a much nicer GUI than TKinter to
> use to program with. Plus the BoaConstructor it makes a natural match for
> FatZopeClient.
> 
> COM
> On Win 32 it is quite easy to use COOM inside wxPython. this means embedding
> Internet Explorer control, MSOffice stuff, Flash Controls, etc can save a
> lot of time, gain rapid {Windoze} built-in functionality. Prototyping can be
> very fast. For businesses that neeed to connect to existing Win32 like
> Access+ODBC, a FatZopeClient like this would make very compelling
> application. It is very nice for to use IE when you don't have all MS
> toolbars and logo in your face :-)

Onion other hand, I've heard tell that python using COM doesn't 'freeze'
well on windows. So if you wanted to make a single executable out of it,
it would be bad mojo.



Allegedly, for cross platform COM, there is good progress being made
with PyXPCOM, but I have no personal experience to relate.

Just soem thoughts ..
Bill




From tommy@7x.com  Sat May 26 02:58:37 2001
From: tommy@7x.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:58:37 -0800
Subject: [Zope] If This AND This
Message-ID: <BKEPLFMFGHIJDGLKDKJHGEJNCAAA.tommy@7x.com>

Ok,

I've looked for this in documentation, but couln't find it. Also, I have
tried a number of variing syntaxes, but to no avail. What I'm trying to do
is code a DTML if statement that tests two conditions:

<dtml-if this && that>
    Do this
</dtml-if>

Actually, I want to do this in an <dtml-unless>, so I guess whatever the
syntax is, it will be the same for both (if's and unless)

Anyone out there that knows this syntax?

Thanks in advance,

Tommy



From jhf@say.no  Sat May 26 03:08:15 2001
From: jhf@say.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?J=F8rgen=20Hermanrud=20Fjeld?=)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 04:08:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZEO homogenously distributed
Message-ID: <01052604081500.01306@frodo>

Hi.

Having seen the implementation of a high speed database, based on a=20
homogenous cluster of machines, I wonder if there are plans to make a ZEN=
=20
(Zope Enterprise Network).
I am imagening ZEN with the following properties:
-Must consist of at least 2 machines.
-Data is always stored in at least two different machines
--This makes no need for a disk write, only a saved to memory on two  =20
machines acknowledgement.
-All machines share the object index.
-All machines can handle requests and forward or load balance the request=
 to=20
an appropriate machine.
-Extending the cluster is just about adding another machine.
-When a machine goes down data redistributes so that the cluster is redun=
tant=20
to yet another machine failure.

These are just some thoughts, but I would like to know if this is an idea=
=20
that someone might deem doable.

Sincerely=20
J=F8rgen


From tommy@7x.com  Sat May 26 03:21:30 2001
From: tommy@7x.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:21:30 -0800
Subject: [Zope] If This AND This
In-Reply-To: <BKEPLFMFGHIJDGLKDKJHGEJNCAAA.tommy@7x.com>
Message-ID: <BKEPLFMFGHIJDGLKDKJHCEJOCAAA.tommy@7x.com>

Scratch that question. The one thing I didn't try WORKED! If anyone is
interested, use & instead of &&

That's it! And if you're continuing to wonder, use | instead of || for OR.

Now, I do have another question. Suppose you have a page running DTML, but
want it to abort processing halfway through the page. Maybe a <dtml-unless>
finds something and you want to abort processing any code below that
<dtml-unless> block. How would you do that?

Thanks in advance,

Tommy

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tommy
Johnson
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:59 PM
To: Zope List
Subject: [Zope] If This AND This


Ok,

I've looked for this in documentation, but couln't find it. Also, I have
tried a number of variing syntaxes, but to no avail. What I'm trying to do
is code a DTML if statement that tests two conditions:

<dtml-if this && that>
    Do this
</dtml-if>

Actually, I want to do this in an <dtml-unless>, so I guess whatever the
syntax is, it will be the same for both (if's and unless)

Anyone out there that knows this syntax?

Thanks in advance,

Tommy




From tommy@7x.com  Sat May 26 03:30:51 2001
From: tommy@7x.com (Tommy Johnson)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:30:51 -0800
Subject: [Zope] If This AND This
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010525221801.0373aa88@imap.3dresearch.com>
Message-ID: <BKEPLFMFGHIJDGLKDKJHKEJOCAAA.tommy@7x.com>

Janos,

Did you test that? It would be funny if it was like ColdFusion and used
'AND'.

Tommy


Tommy,

You might try this:

<dtml-if "this and that">

Best,

jd


Janos Dohanics




From riaan@e.co.za  Sat May 26 03:59:52 2001
From: riaan@e.co.za (Riaan Booysen)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 04:59:52 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Boa as ZFC
Message-ID: <00f801c0e58f$f02f4e50$6000a8c0@paradroid>

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Hi Stefan and Chris,

> Hi Stefan :-)
>
> "Stefan H. Holek" wrote:
> >=20
> > The Zope support (ZOA) will be via XML-RPC only (as opposed to the =
current
> > FTP) and looks pretty impressive from what I've seen.

Actually most of the support will be via XML-RPC, but not all. Some =
calls will
use DC's Client.py (over HTTP so it should not be a problem) as some of =
the
Zope API calls require keyword arguments which XML-RPC does not support.
The important thing is that FTP is dropped completely.

>
> Cool, maybe the authors could come and contribute to the ZFC =
disucssion list?

Will do as soon as I'm back in South Africa (next week)

>
> > It might be worth the wait for NIP so not to reinvent some wheels ;)
>
> No wheels being re-invented here :-) The aim is just to explore the =
space and
> it'd be great to get as much help as possible with that.

We've explored the space and have already settled a colony!
I think it would make more sense to continue the quest from this our =
base ;)

>
> We have an idea for a framework to let people do this, it would be =
amazing if
> the ZOA stuff could plug in to that.

Hmmm, Boa provides the IDE framework in which the Zope support plugs in.
Is this framework idea of yours discussed on the ZFC list?

>
> Can any of the ZOA developers comment?

Please check out Boa to get an idea of what is already done. The ZOA =
branch
has been merged with the current Boa and I hope to update the CVS tree
by the end of next week.

>
> cheers,
>
> Chris

Riaan

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<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Stefan and Chris,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt; Hi Stefan :-)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =
"Stefan H.=20
Holek" wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; The Zope support (ZOA) will be =
via=20
XML-RPC only (as opposed to the current<BR>&gt; &gt; FTP) and looks =
pretty=20
impressive from what I've seen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Actually most of the support will be =
via XML-RPC,=20
but not all. Some calls will<BR>use DC's Client.py (over HTTP so it =
should not=20
be a problem) as some of the<BR>Zope API calls require keyword arguments =
which=20
XML-RPC does not support.<BR>The important thing is that FTP is dropped=20
completely.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt;<BR>&gt; Cool, maybe the authors =
could come and=20
contribute to the ZFC disucssion list?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Will do as soon as I'm back in South =
Africa (next=20
week)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; It might be worth the =
wait for=20
NIP so not to reinvent some wheels ;)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; No wheels being=20
re-invented here :-) The aim is just to explore the space and<BR>&gt; =
it'd be=20
great to get as much help as possible with that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We've explored the space and have =
already settled a=20
colony!<BR>I think it would make more sense to continue the quest from =
this our=20
base ;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt;<BR>&gt; We have an idea for a =
framework to let=20
people do this, it would be amazing if<BR>&gt; the ZOA stuff could plug =
in to=20
that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hmmm, Boa provides the IDE framework in =
which the=20
Zope support plugs in.<BR>Is this framework idea of yours discussed on =
the ZFC=20
list?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt;<BR>&gt; Can any of the ZOA =
developers=20
comment?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please check out Boa to get an idea of =
what is=20
already done. The ZOA branch<BR>has been merged with the current Boa and =
I hope=20
to update the CVS tree<BR>by the end of next week.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt;<BR>&gt; cheers,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
Chris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Sat May 26 05:13:02 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:13:02 -0400
Subject: [Zope] RE: Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <EMEBLHHNMMONGIHFFHOCOEAFCBAA.caz@tcdi.com> <007101c0e2d4$9ee92ec0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net> <990839707.2104.0.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <004201c0e59a$28974360$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

> Onion other hand, I've heard tell that python using COM doesn't 'freeze'
> well on windows. So if you wanted to make a single executable out of it,
> it would be bad mojo.

Not sure why this would be so, beyond the regular requirements to check the
registry for COM controls etc. One would not be freeezing the COM stuff
obvisouly, merely the Python checking and wrapper code for using them. For
example, on windows it _is_ safe to assume that at a minimum IE is present.

The 'single simple .exe' is still one issue which Python needs to resolve
better.
Have you any experience doing this? I have only read about it -- tips
welcome.

I have a  number of applications on Win32 which use Python and include all
their own binaries. Most well known are probably Zope, and Blender
[http://www.blender.nl]. Both are very powerful applications, quick and easy
to install.  As  a regular use, it does not bother me at all that they waste
a little disk space to include an extra Python engine in there. But as a
developer, it is frustrating to have that replication, especially when I
want to mix in and/or match extra Python modules. Then the Python path on
Win32 can be a little confusing. Perhasp this is my lack of skill non
in23  - I don't know.

> Allegedly, for cross platform COM, there is good progress being made
> with PyXPCOM, but I have no personal experience to relate.

Have not looked into it. Sceptical I will live that long ;-) Is this part of
.NET ?

thanks
./jason




From fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph  Sat May 26 09:46:17 2001
From: fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph (Fritz Mesedilla)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:46:17 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Data.fs packing persistently shuts down
Message-ID: <OEEAJJGEMBFMGACCFKAMOEKAEDAA.fritz.mesedilla@summitmedia.com.ph>

help!
when i'm running zope and zeo, data.fs packing doesn't work. i can see in
the process list that it does nothing. it is only when i change the
custom_db.py to disable zeo and restart zope that packing works again.

is there a way that i can pack the data.fs while zeo and zope is running?
and how do i configure zope to run and use "/usr/local/zope/var/data.fs" as
its database and not "ZEO Storage" which is in the same server?

essentially they use the same database, however, zope in that same server
becomes a client that i think zeo doesn't allow it to pack the database.

please help! thanks.

Fritz Mesedilla
Systems Administrator

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From e.seifert@gmx.net  Sat May 26 10:33:27 2001
From: e.seifert@gmx.net (E. Seifert)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 11:33:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: DTML/Python to upload documents
Message-ID: <001301c0e5c6$eb7829e0$1b00000a@e700>

Hi Ron,

>The problem with the following code is that it does not put a file in my
>folder.  All it does is copy the location of the file (e.g.,
>G:\some\path\to\file\filename.pdf).  No document.
>
>If I get this right, I'm going to post in on ZopeLabs.  (ZopeLabs is a
really
>great idea, incidentally.)
>
>Here is the code for the form...
>
><dtml-var standard_html_header>
>
><H3 ALIGN="center">Add a Document Associated with the <dtml-var
case_style></H3>
><P ALIGN="center">Enter the information below to upload the document.</P>
>
><FORM ACTION="addFileAction" METHOD="POST">

It's important to specify a encoding type for the form:

<FORM ACTION="addFileAction" METHOD="POST" ENCTYPE="multipart/form-data">

I hope this will solve your problem.

Bye,
Eric




From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Sat May 26 10:40:07 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:40:07 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] index.html problem
In-Reply-To: <10833475.990830651@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105261338400.32068-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Fri, 25 May 2001, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 May 2001, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> >> (I dont really see why one would use ugly urls with something like
> >> "index.html" in it)
> >
> >    It is useful if you suck the entire site (with wget, e.g) - if links
> > point to ".../xxx/index.html" you just click the link. If links point to
> > ".../xxx/" - you need two clicks (the first click will moves you to the
> > dicrectory listing).
>
> Is this usefull? If I would like someone else to suck my webpage off
> (why should I want this?)

   Well, let see other way - sometimes one may develops a site locally and
put it unto the web by uploading it by FTP :)

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Sat May 26 10:47:10 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:47:10 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] May 26th Zope Weekly News
In-Reply-To: <28600000.990850800@orlog>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105261345530.32068-100000@phd.fep.ru>

Hello!

   We won! Thanks to evryone who participated.

On Sat, 26 May 2001, ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
>    Kill HTML Mail
>
>     Everyone, by a 6:1 margin, wants html mail to be rejected.
>     I will spend some time working on making mail that has HTML
>     attachments be either refused with a message to the sender
>     indicating the lists don't accept html mail, or have
>     the html part stripped off.  The former is more likely.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From e.seifert@gmx.net  Sat May 26 10:49:19 2001
From: e.seifert@gmx.net (E. Seifert)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 11:49:19 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: http-cache, caching elements
Message-ID: <001b01c0e5c9$22e31af0$1b00000a@e700>

Hi fernando

>does anyone know how to cache objects like gifs by a http-cache? my problem
>is that i have a navigation (constructed via tables) that is set up and
>changes dynamically every time a link is hit. this table includes a small
>picture. i think with the standard http-cache i can only cache "finished"
>html sites.  therefore the picture is loaded every time i click on links
>that have not been clicked on before. i would like to cache this special
>element explicetly. can it be done?

There are two types of cache mangers in Zope:

The 'Accelerated HTTP Cache Manager' and the 'RAM Cache Manager':

The first one sets special HTTP headers to help proxies (e.g. web browser or
squid) to cache your pages, images, etc. properly. This is the one you
should use to cache your picture.

The RAM Cache Manager caches finally rendered objects/pages in your computer
memory to speed up presentation at cost of memory usage.

Bye,
Eric




From e.seifert@gmx.net  Sat May 26 11:08:10 2001
From: e.seifert@gmx.net (E. Seifert)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:08:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: dtml or python comand requested
Message-ID: <002301c0e5cb$c5e27b90$1b00000a@e700>

Hi fernando,

>i recently constructed a navigation bar with zope. now i would like to
>include a functionality to switch languages. when clicking on a "spanish"
>button, the folder ids that are displayed shall be replaced by the values
of
>a spanish attribute - the corresponding spanish description for the link.
>depending on whether spanish content exists for this link either a spanish
>or english default document shall be displayed in the right part of the
>window. for carrying out this if-query i need to look dynamically - always
>when the button is clicked - into the folder level, one level below the
>context and search the "spanish_default". so, please, what is the command
>(dtml or python) for "starting a search" for a document that is situated in
>a folder (which is not known by name, because it changes) one level below
>the current context folder. (like  <dtml-if ../spanish_default> do...    ).

There are several Zope products for internationalization/localization:
Localizer, ZBabel, vary tag, etc.
I think this is what you are searching for and its less expensive to use
them than to code everything by yourself.
You can get Localizer from http://sourceforge.net/projects/lleu

If you nevertheless don't want to use an external Product:
To check the existance of an object in the current folder whose name is
stored in the string objName use:
<dtml-if "_.getitem(objName)">
To check other folders you could either use getitem and the dtml-with tag or
the following:
<dtml-if "_.hasattr(folderObj,objName)">

Bye,
Eric




From george@dialognet.com  Sat May 26 12:27:35 2001
From: george@dialognet.com (Honey George)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:57:35 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Zope] argument passing
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105261657030.9680-100000@dialognet.dialognet.com>

Hi,
	I have a problem in passing arguments. If anybody knows the
solution please send me.
I am passing the argument like this

<a hfref="www.somesite.com/page2.html?memname=<dtml-var memname>"> Page2
</a>

   But when I invoke the page the url is displying like this,
"  www.somesite.com/page2.html?memname=memname"

The value associated with memname is not displayed. But the same page is
displaying in another system correctly. I am accessing thepage from a
Windows NT machine using the browse IE5.0

   If anybody knows the answer, please help me.


Regards,
  George




-------------------------------
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Dialognet Technologies
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Fax. +91 44 6216873
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From joe@iuveno-net.de  Sat May 26 12:42:58 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:42:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: wysiwyg-like editors
References: <005a01c0e56d$fc25b720$010aa8c0@uhxk>
Message-ID: <001e01c0e5d9$03746ec0$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> does anyone know good wysiwyg-like editors that can be integrated into
> zope-sites. am thinking of providing an easy user interface for
> unexperienced redacteurs who should be able to create simple web-sites in
> zope, like they used to do with common editors....

Maybe have a look at our Kontentor. For the actual WYSIWYG we have
integrated a slightly modified and fixed IEMethod. Only works with Internet
Explorer 5.x. I don't know of any easy way of doing platform-independent
WYSIWYG. The only two options I could think of are using an editor written
in Flash/Shockwave or a Java Applet.

Kontentor URL: http://demo.iuveno-net.de/iuveno/Products/Kontentor

Joachim.



From dingx@web.de  Sat May 26 15:27:34 2001
From: dingx@web.de (Stefan Berthold)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 16:27:34 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: http-cache, caching elements
In-Reply-To: <005901c0e56d$fb6d1580$010aa8c0@uhxk>
References: <005901c0e56d$fb6d1580$010aa8c0@uhxk>
Message-ID: <20010526162734.B239@nexus>

On Sat, May 26, 2001 at 12:50:29AM +0200, Fernando Fuente wrote:

> does anyone know how to cache objects like gifs by a http-cache?

If your image location is the same - even after a link was clicked - the
standard browser configuration of the user will cache the image except
it was explicitly forbidden by one of your meta-headers.

But once more: It must point to the same location (use absolute_url),
else the browser would think it's a new one.

ciao.

-- 
Stefan Berthold <dingx@web.de>
Zivilist in Lauerstellung
FAX/VoiceBox: +49 180 50529 6341739


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Sat May 26 15:48:08 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:48:08 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Fw: wxDesigner commercial RAD tool
Message-ID: <001301c0e5f2$e1558b20$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

From: "Robert Roebling" <robert@roebling.de>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
To: "python" <python-list@python.org>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:05 PM
Subject: ANN: wxDesigner commercial RAD tool


> 
>   Hi,
> 
> A new version of wxDesigner has seen the light of the
> day, version 2.5 to be exact.
> 
> wxDesigner is a commercial RAD tool for the Open Source
> cross-platform C++ library wxWindows (and its Python and
> Perl bindings). It lets you create dialogs, application
> skeletons, event, getters and classes quickly and includes
> a syntax-highlighting text editor, a bitmap editor and
> some other goodies.
> 
> New in version 2.5 is support for menus and menu events
> as well as many dozens of smaller enhancements and bug
> fixes. wxDesigner is now also available for IRIX, in
> addition to Windows, Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD with
> work being done to get wxDesigner working on the Mac
> as well.
> 
> wxDesigner 2.5 is available from
> 
>   http://www.roebling.de
> 
> Regards,
> 
>   Robert
> 
> -- 
> Robert Roebling, MD <robert@roebling.de>




From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Sat May 26 15:50:48 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:50:48 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Fw: [ANNOUNCE] wxPython 2.3.0
Message-ID: <001901c0e5f3$418c47e0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

From: "Robin Dunn" <robin@alldunn.com>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
To: <wx-announce@lists.wxwindows.org>; <python-announce-list@python.org>;
<python-list@python.org>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:24 PM
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] wxPython 2.3.0


> wxPython 2.3.0 is now available for download.  Unfortunately the shell
> server at sourceforge is down for a few days and so I can't update the
> wxPython.org web page, but in the meantime you can get the files directly
> from
>
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10718.
>
> Sources and binaries for win32 and Linux for Python 1.5.2, 2.0 and 2.1 are
> available.  (The win32 binaries with "-hybrid" in the name are built with
> extra debugging code enabled so some things that caused mysterious
problems
> before will now pop-up a slightly less mysterious message dialog.)
>
> There have been a large number of changes for this release.  I'll include
> the relevant portion of CHANGES.txt here:
>
>
>
> Removed initial startup dependency on the OpenGL DLLs so only the
> glcanvasc.pyd depends on them, (on wxMSW.)
>
> Changed wxFont, wxPen, wxBrush to not implicitly use the
> wxThe[Font|Pen|Brush]List objects behind the scenes, but to use normal
> ctor and dtors.
>
> Exposed the wxThe[Font|Pen|Brush]List to wxPython.
>
> Also added wxTheColourDatabase and added a library module (in the
> wxPython.lib.colourdb module) to load LOTS more colour names into the
> colour database.
>
> Added wxWakeUpMainThread, wxMutexGuiEnter, wxMutexGuiLeave,
> wxMutexGuiLocker and wxThread_IsMain to assist with dealing with GUI
> access from non-GUI threads.
>
> wxPyOnDemandOutputWindow is now (more) thread safe if non-GUI threads
> use print, sys.stdout.write, etc.
>
> Added CreateTextSizer and CreateButtonSizer to wxDialog
>
> Added wxPython/lib/infoframe.py from Chris Fama.  It contains a class
> that can be used in place of wxPyOnDemandOutputWindow.
>
> Added colourselect.py, imagebrowser.py and an updated calendar.py to
> wxPython/lib from Lorne White.
>
> Added patch to wxPoint_LIST_helper from Tim Hochberg that should make
> it gobs faster in certain situations.
>
> Added tools that will take an image file in a wx supported format and
> convert it to data embedded in a Python source file.  The image is
> converted to XPM format which is essentially a list of strings
> containing info about each pixel.  The image's transparency mask is
> included, if there is one, or a mask can be added if a mask colour is
> specified on the command line.  It is then pickled and optionally
> compressed and written to a Python source file along with functions to
> convert it to either a wxBitmap or a wxImage.  See
> wxPython/demo/images.py for examples, and wxPython/Tools/img2py.py for
> the implementation.
>
> Fixed wxStyledTextCtrl to be much faster on wxGTK.  There was some
> experimental code that got left in place that ended up causing way too
> many refreshes.
>
> A couple more hacks in my_distutils.py so wxPython can be built with
> the distutils that comes with Python 2.1.
>
> Added a ton of missing methods for wxPrintData.
>
> Switched to InnoSetup for MSW distributions.
>
> Added wxToggleButton.
>
> Fixed bug that prevented wxTreeCtrl.OnCompareItems from being called.
>
> Added some methods to wxGrid:
>       GetCellHighlightPenWidth
>       GetCellHighlightROPenWidth
>       SetCellHighlightPenWidth
>       SetCellHighlightROPenWidth
>       GetGridWindow
>       GetGridRowLabelWindow
>       GetGridColLabelWindow
>       GetGridCornerLabelWindow
>
> Added wxGetClientDisplayRect which on wxMSW returns a wxRect
> representing the area on screen not occupied by the taskbar and such.
> On other platforms it is equivallent to wxGetDisplaySize.
>
>
> ***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---
>    Implemented the first phase of OOR (Original Object Return).  See
>    the text in the demo for more details of what this means, but in a
>    nutshell methods such as wxWindow.GetParent or FindWindowById will
>    now return a shadow object of the proper type if it can.  By
>    "proper type" I mean that if the wxWindow pointer returned from
>    FindWindowById really points to a wxButton then the Python object
>    constructed will be of a wxButtonPtr class instead of wxWindowPtr
>    as before.  This should reduce or eliminiate the need for
>    wxPyTypeCast.  (Woo Hoo!)  The objects returned are still not the
>    original Python object, but that is the next step.  (Although it
>    will probably only work on Python 2.1 and beyond because it will
>    use weak references.)
>
>    This first phase of the OOR plan is fairly significant and has
>    required a lot of changes all over wxPython, most of which should
>    be transparent to you, however I'm not 100% sure that it didn't
>    introduce any new bugs that are hiding somewhere and didn't get
>    stomped on during my testing.  So please be sure to test everything
>    thoroughly when you install this version and be sure to report any
>    object-type related oddities to me.
> ***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---
>
> There is now a wxObject class that most other classes derive from like
> in C++, but the methods provided don't really match but are wxPython
> specific.  It could have been added long ago but OOR required it so
> it finally got done.
>
> Finally added wxPyLineShape.GetLineControlPoints, which has been on my
> list for a while.  The above OOR modification made this easier.
>
> Fixed the __cmp__ methods for wxPoint and others.
>
> Added wxWave.
>
> Added the wxPython.lib.mixins package to the library, it is where
> useful mix-in classes can be placed.  Currently there is one to help
> make the columns in a wxListCtrl sortable, and the MagicIMageList
> from Mike Fletcher.  If you have any custom code that can be factored
> out of existing classes into a mix-in that would be useful to others
> please send it to me for inclusion in this package.
>
> Added a few little sample applications to help newbies to get started
> by having smaller functional apps to play with.  They can be found in
> wxPython/samples.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Robin Dunn
> Software Craftsman
> robin@AllDunn.com       Java give you jitters?
> http://wxPython.org      Relax with wxPython!




From cpr@emsoftware.com  Sat May 26 17:04:52 2001
From: cpr@emsoftware.com (Chris Ryland)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:04:52 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope and SSL
Message-ID: <001201c0e5fd$aaf76340$6901a8c0@EM2>

I've scoured the various Howto's and have found some things related to using
Zope and SSL in various ways, but I still can't quite figure out the answer
to a really basic question (please be patient--I'm a real Zope newbie).

Can Zope itself be configured (without TOO much pain) to use SSL directly,
i.e., a provide a secure (https:) connection not using Apache as an
intermediary?

I've already got Apache working with SSL, so I've got all the certificates,
keys, etc., and it's "just" a matter of getting Zope to talk security
itself, directly.

I'm also curious why this isn't built-in to Zope, i.e., why it isn't (or
doesn't seem to be) important to the core DC folks?

Thanks.
--
Cheers!
Chris Ryland
Em Software, Inc.
www.emsoftware.com




From cpr@emsoftware.com  Sat May 26 17:23:30 2001
From: cpr@emsoftware.com (Chris Ryland)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:23:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope (ZServer) in parallel with Apache
Message-ID: <001301c0e600$45c1c850$6901a8c0@EM2>

Is it easy enough to run Zope (ZServer, as I understand) directly on port 80
(without FCGI or PCGI through Apache), with Apache also running directly on,
say port 81, and redirect all Apache-related calls to
//www.mysite.com:81/... from the Zope site?

Is this as straightforward as it seems? Have others done this?
--
Cheers!
Chris Ryland
Em Software, Inc.
www.emsoftware.com




From tseaver@palladion.com  Sat May 26 16:51:22 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 11:51:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZEO Client space was:
Message-ID: <3B0FD0FA.9000108@palladion.com>

sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:


> Forgive me if this is a dumb questions, but is there a way to bind the ZSS
> process to serve certain particular interfaces only?


Not dumb atall.  ZEO/start.py has options:


   usage="""%s [options] [filename]

    where options are:

       -D -- Run in debug mode

       -d -- Generate detailed debug logging without running
             in the foreground.

       -U -- Unix-domain socket file to listen on
    
       -u username or uid number

         The username to run the ZEO server as. You may want to run
         the ZEO server as 'nobody' or some other user with limited
         resouces. The only works under Unix, and if the storage
         server is started by root.

       -p port -- port to listen on

       -h adddress -- host address to listen on

       -s -- Don't use zdeamon

       -S storage_name=module_path:attr_name -- A storage specification

          where:

            storage_name -- is the storage name used in the ZEO protocol.
               This is the name that you give as the optional
               'storage' keyword argument to the ClientStorage constructor.

            module_path -- This is the path to a Python module
               that defines the storage object(s) to be served.
               The module path should ommit the prefix (e.g. '.py').

            attr_name -- This is the name to which the storage object
              is assigned in the module.

    if no file name is specified, then %s is used.
    """


I think the '-h' one, with a dotted-IP address, would do the trick.

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations      "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From joe@iuveno-net.de  Sat May 26 18:14:46 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 19:14:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope and SSL
References: <001201c0e5fd$aaf76340$6901a8c0@EM2>
Message-ID: <001c01c0e607$5d8f3600$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> I've scoured the various Howto's and have found some things related to
using
> Zope and SSL in various ways, but I still can't quite figure out the
answer
> to a really basic question (please be patient--I'm a real Zope newbie).
>
> Can Zope itself be configured (without TOO much pain) to use SSL directly,
> i.e., a provide a secure (https:) connection not using Apache as an
> intermediary?

There is an SSLified version of ZServer:
http://www.post1.com/home/ngps/zope/zssl/

Only problem: This gives you SSL-only. If you want both https: and plain
http: from the same server, you will either have to use Apache or two
ZServers and ZEO.

> I've already got Apache working with SSL, so I've got all the
certificates,
> keys, etc., and it's "just" a matter of getting Zope to talk security
> itself, directly.
>
> I'm also curious why this isn't built-in to Zope, i.e., why it isn't (or
> doesn't seem to be) important to the core DC folks?

When I asked that question a while ago, the answer was something like "it is
so hard to do this right, and Apache does it very well anyway" ...

P.S.: As far as I know, Python 2.1 socket code now has in-built https
support. Shouldn't it be easy to use this from ZServer?

Joachim




From joe@iuveno-net.de  Sat May 26 18:17:41 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 19:17:41 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope (ZServer) in parallel with Apache
References: <001301c0e600$45c1c850$6901a8c0@EM2>
Message-ID: <002201c0e607$c5a10e80$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> Is it easy enough to run Zope (ZServer, as I understand) directly on port
80
> (without FCGI or PCGI through Apache), with Apache also running directly
on,
> say port 81, and redirect all Apache-related calls to
> file://www.mysite.com:81/... from the Zope site?
>
> Is this as straightforward as it seems? Have others done this?

This seems strange to me. Normally you'd use Apache with mod_proxy and
configure a proxy pass rule to ZServer. Very easy to set up, and very
flexible. On the Zope-end, you need to use SiteRoot to take care of the
virtual server name.

There is a How-To for this at
http://www.zope.org/Members/anser/apache_zserver that is quite useful

Joachim



From skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)  Sat May 26 18:16:57 2001
From: skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) (skip@pobox.com (Skip Montanaro))
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Zope] extracting a series of pages out of a Zope database?
Message-ID: <15119.58633.993999.915520@beluga.mojam.com>

I took down a machine (and reinstalled Linux from scratch) on a machine that
had been running Zope.  I need to extract a set of pages out of the
database.  How can I go about that without going through the rigamarole of
installing and running Zope?

Thx,

-- 
Skip Montanaro (skip@pobox.com)
(847)971-7098


From cpr@emsoftware.com  Sat May 26 18:56:07 2001
From: cpr@emsoftware.com (Chris Ryland)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:56:07 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope (ZServer) in parallel with Apache
References: <001301c0e600$45c1c850$6901a8c0@EM2> <002201c0e607$c5a10e80$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
Message-ID: <005701c0e60d$3602cb50$6901a8c0@EM2>

The one bug I can see is that I can't make Zope the default ("/") path, can
I? I have to pick a unique prefix like /zope in order to use this scheme.

Or can I use clever rewriting rules to have *everything else* go to special
places (like https:/store go to normal Apache (SSL) places, /mailman go to
the usual mailman, and everything else go directly to Zope without a prefix?
--
Cheers!
Chris Ryland
Em Software, Inc.
www.emsoftware.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joachim Werner" <joe@iuveno-net.de>
To: "Chris Ryland" <cpr@emsoftware.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope (ZServer) in parallel with Apache


> > Is it easy enough to run Zope (ZServer, as I understand) directly on
port
> 80
> > (without FCGI or PCGI through Apache), with Apache also running directly
> on,
> > say port 81, and redirect all Apache-related calls to
> > file://www.mysite.com:81/... from the Zope site?
> >
> > Is this as straightforward as it seems? Have others done this?
>
> This seems strange to me. Normally you'd use Apache with mod_proxy and
> configure a proxy pass rule to ZServer. Very easy to set up, and very
> flexible. On the Zope-end, you need to use SiteRoot to take care of the
> virtual server name.
>
> There is a How-To for this at
> http://www.zope.org/Members/anser/apache_zserver that is quite useful
>
> Joachim



From milos.prudek@worldonline.cz  Sat May 26 20:20:39 2001
From: milos.prudek@worldonline.cz (Milos Prudek)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:20:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] newbie: ZClass as a multifolder prototype
Message-ID: <3B100207.2539D12D@worldonline.cz>

Can i create a ZClass with folders?

As far as I can see, I cannot put folders into ZClass definition. 

I know I can have ObjectManager as a superclass, and then I can add
folders to any ZClass instance. But is it possible to have folders in
ZClass definition?

--
Milos Prudek


From tim@freepm.org  Sat May 26 20:48:32 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:48:32 -0500
Subject: [Zope] newbie: ZClass as a multifolder prototype
References: <3B100207.2539D12D@worldonline.cz>
Message-ID: <3B100890.1A3C246B@iswt.com>

Milos Prudek wrote:
> 
> Can i create a ZClass with folders?
> 
> As far as I can see, I cannot put folders into ZClass definition.
> 
> I know I can have ObjectManager as a superclass, and then I can add
> folders to any ZClass instance. But is it possible to have folders in
> ZClass definition?

Yes. The folders do not appear in the instance as content though.
Also, you may be missing the fact that you may need to set
permissions in your ZClass (Define Permissions tab).

HTH,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From renfro@tntech.edu  Sat May 26 21:38:34 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:38:34 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zope (ZServer) in parallel with Apache
In-Reply-To: <005701c0e60d$3602cb50$6901a8c0@EM2>; from cpr@emsoftware.com on Sat, May 26, 2001 at 01:56:07PM -0400
References: <001301c0e600$45c1c850$6901a8c0@EM2> <002201c0e607$c5a10e80$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de> <005701c0e60d$3602cb50$6901a8c0@EM2>
Message-ID: <20010526153834.A3218@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Sat, May 26, 2001 at 01:56:07PM -0400, Chris Ryland wrote:

> Or can I use clever rewriting rules to have *everything else* go to special
> places (like https:/store go to normal Apache (SSL) places, /mailman go to
> the usual mailman, and everything else go directly to Zope without a prefix?

I'm doing exactly this on my server. 3 sites currently served from
Zope, with Apache and modproxy in front of it. VirtualHostMonster is
running in the root of the Zope tree, too. The relevant portions of
the httpd.conf:

<VirtualHost www.cae.tntech.edu>
  ServerName www.cae.tntech.edu
  DocumentRoot /var/www
  Alias /spong/rrd /var/lib/spong/rrd/www/
  Alias /spong /usr/share/spong/www/

  <IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
    RewriteEngine On
    RewriteLog "/var/log/apache/rewrite_log"
    RewriteLogLevel 1
    RewriteRule ^/local/ - [L]
    RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://ch208h.cae.tntech.edu:9673/VirtualHostBase/http/ww
w.cae.tntech.edu:80/CAE/VirtualHostRoot/$1 [e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%1,P]
  </IfModule>
</VirtualHost>

All content under /local is served by apache, from its normal document
root. Everything else is served from Zope (i.e.,
http://www.cae.tntech.edu/ is a Zope page). I'm going to have to write
this up in excruciating detail now.

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net  Sun May 27 00:20:12 2001
From: Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net (Fernando Fuente)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:20:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: http-cache, caching elements
Message-ID: <001301c0e63a$dbbc0d40$010aa8c0@uhxk>

hi eric,

thanks so far. i knew about these two possibilities. i would like to use the
http-cache. the problem is that i don't know how to cache single elements
instead of completly parsed pages.

regards,

fernando


> Hi fernando
>
> >does anyone know how to cache objects like gifs by a http-cache? my
> problem
> >is that i have a navigation (constructed via tables) that is set up and
> >changes dynamically every time a link is hit. this table includes a small
> >picture. i think with the standard http-cache i can only cache "finished"
> >html sites.  therefore the picture is loaded every time i click on links
> >that have not been clicked on before. i would like to cache this special
> >element explicetly. can it be done?
>
> There are two types of cache mangers in Zope:
>
> The 'Accelerated HTTP Cache Manager' and the 'RAM Cache Manager':
>
> The first one sets special HTTP headers to help proxies (e.g. web browser
> or
> squid) to cache your pages, images, etc. properly. This is the one you
> should use to cache your picture.
>
> The RAM Cache Manager caches finally rendered objects/pages in your
> computer
> memory to speed up presentation at cost of memory usage.
>
> Bye,
> Eric
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de  Sun May 27 00:53:42 2001
From: philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de (Philipp Robbel)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:53:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope] dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
Message-ID: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C6659@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.de>

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From lstaffor@dynalogic.com  Sun May 27 02:27:24 2001
From: lstaffor@dynalogic.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 18:27:24 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Re: Help with Xron
References: <000001c0e54f$a2c0df20$bda83a0f@corp.hp.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c0e64c$485f9320$2201a8c0@pav2>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Paulicka" <christopher_paulicka@hp.com>
To: "'Loren Stafford'" <lstaffor@dynalogic.com>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: Help with Xron


> Loren,
>
> >Look inside the Schedule catalog. It's index_html method lists the
entries
> >in the schedule. Is yours there?

What did you see when you looked inside the catalog?

>> If not, go and edit the method. You don't
> >have to change it, if it's all set correctly, just pretend you made a
> change
> >and click the Update button (or whatever it's called). That action will
> >reschedule the method. Then look in the Schedule again to be sure it's
> >there.
>
> I did that numerous times.  It doesn't seem to make a difference.  I can
> even rewrite the event, make a simpler event, all of that.  When I trigger
> or view, it works.  But the program never runs during the day, never
> automatically triggers like a good scheduler should.
>
> >Once you got STUPID_LOG working, what shows in the log? If the Dispatcher
> >tried to fire your method, there will be an entry in the log. Any errors
> >will also be noted.
>
> The STUPID_LOG points to a file which wasn't there.  I had assumed it
would
> create it if it didn't exist.
>
> Since then, I put a blank log file by the name ("zopeapp.log") into the
> directory, just in case, but that hasn't been written to yet.

If STUPID_LOG_FILE is working, Zope will write its startup messages to it,
independently of Xron. So, from what you said, I guess you don't have it
working yet. You can't do much debugging without either STUPID_LOG_FILE or
running in terminal debug mode. I'd suggest you get the log working first.
If you can't get it working with a STUPID_LOG_FILE environment entry, try
the Frozen Logger product.

What version of Zope? What OS?

> >To send email, your Xron Scheduled Method needs permission to use
Mailhost.
> >An Xron Scheduled Method by default has the permissions of "Anonymous
> User".
> >You may have to give the method a proxy role that has permissions to use
> >Mailhost.
>
> I know the mail works, because when I view or trigger my Xron method, it
> sends out the mailing list.  The problem is not with the e-mail, but with
> the Scheduler never seeming to send the darn thing.

But when you view or trigger it you have Manager permissions. That's
different from the Dispatcher environment which has the permissions of
Anonymous User.

-- Loren




From ngps@post1.com  Sun May 27 05:52:20 2001
From: ngps@post1.com (Ng Pheng Siong)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:52:20 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Zope and SSL
In-Reply-To: <001c01c0e607$5d8f3600$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>; from joe@iuveno-net.de on Sat, May 26, 2001 at 07:14:46PM +0200
References: <001201c0e5fd$aaf76340$6901a8c0@EM2> <001c01c0e607$5d8f3600$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
Message-ID: <20010527125220.B457@madcap.dyndns.org>

On Sat, May 26, 2001 at 07:14:46PM +0200, Joachim Werner wrote:
> There is an SSLified version of ZServer:
> http://www.post1.com/home/ngps/zope/zssl/
> 
> Only problem: This gives you SSL-only. If you want both https: and plain
> http: from the same server, you will either have to use Apache or two
> ZServers and ZEO.

Nope, single instance of Zope gives you both and then some:

    z2s.py -D -X -w 8080 -y 8443 -W 8081 -Y 8444

The above (using the latest snapshot) gives you a http server on 8080, a
https server on 8443, a WebDAV-source-port server (for broken WebDAV
clients) on 8081, and a WebDAV-source-port-over-https server on 8444. 

You also get xmlrpc-over-https with the https server on 8443.

There is also a product called SSLAbsoluteURL (or something like that)
which gives you yet more flexibility in configuring your Zope pages
for http or https. I haven't tested it myself.

(Once upon a time, M2Crypto also had an encrypting monitor for Zope. 
Haven't updated that coz I have no use for it.)


> P.S.: As far as I know, Python 2.1 socket code now has in-built https
> support. Shouldn't it be easy to use this from ZServer?

The SSL support in Python 2.1 doesn't do servers.

Cheers.
-- 
Ng Pheng Siong <ngps@post1.com> * http://www.post1.com/home/ngps

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.


From tom@mooball.com  Sun May 27 07:31:52 2001
From: tom@mooball.com (Tom Cameron)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 16:31:52 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
Message-ID: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIEEEKEMAA.tom@mooball.com>

I am not sure if this is a simple problem or not.

I am using FreeBSD 4.0 Stable and I just downloaded zope-2.3.2-src. I ran
python wo_pcgi.py and that seemed to work fine, but when I start Zope I get
the following error....

bash-2.03# ./start &
2001-05-27T06:22:19 PANIC(300) z2 Startup exception
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/z2.py, line 566, in ?
  File <string>, line 1, in ?
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 95, in ?
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/OFS/Application.py, line 91, in
?
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/App/Product.py, line 111, in ?
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/__init__.py, line 20,
in ?
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/ZClass.py, line 88, in
?
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/Method.py, line 97, in
?
  File
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/__init__.py,
line 89, in ?
  File
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/PythonScript.py,
line 96, in ?
  File
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Guarded.py, line
88, in ?
  File
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbytecodehacks/V
SExec.py, line 42, in ?
  File
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbytecodehacks/o
ps.py, line 5, in ?
  File
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbytecodehacks/o
pbases.py, line 1, in ?
ImportError: No module named new

I have installed zope successfully on several other machines, but this is
the first time I have used this machine.

Thanks,
Tom



From e.seifert@gmx.net  Sun May 27 09:08:42 2001
From: e.seifert@gmx.net (E. Seifert)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 10:08:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: http-cache, caching elements
References: <001301c0e63a$dbbc0d40$010aa8c0@uhxk>
Message-ID: <000901c0e684$3fa98640$1b00000a@e700>

Hi Fernando,

Fernando Fuente wrote:
> thanks so far. i knew about these two possibilities. i would like to use
the
> http-cache. the problem is that i don't know how to cache single elements
> instead of completly parsed pages.

Once again there are two way to do this. If you already have created a cache
manager:

1. If you have to associate several objects with your cache manager go its
'Associate' view. Here you can view the object already associated with the
manager or choose new ones. You'd probably want to select 'Image' as object
type and click 'Locate'. Now you can check all the objects you'd like to be
cached and finally press 'Save changes'

2. Go to the object/image (which has to be in the cache manager's aquisition
path). Select the object's Cache tab now and choose the cache manager which
should cache the object/image under 'Cache this object using'. Click on
'Save Changes' to associate it with the cache manager.

Now I'm sure you can get it.

Greetings,
Eric




From joe@iuveno-net.de  Sun May 27 10:04:04 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:04:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope (ZServer) in parallel with Apache
References: <001301c0e600$45c1c850$6901a8c0@EM2> <002201c0e607$c5a10e80$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de> <005701c0e60d$3602cb50$6901a8c0@EM2>
Message-ID: <004801c0e68b$fb24a7e0$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> The one bug I can see is that I can't make Zope the default ("/") path,
can
> I? I have to pick a unique prefix like /zope in order to use this scheme.

Why? Just using proxy pass rules, you should be able to do what you want.

E.g.:

ProxyPass /whatever http://zopeserver:9999/
ProxyPassReverse /whatever http://zopeserver:9999/

ProxyPass / http://zopeserver:8080/
ProxyPassReverse / http://zopeserver:8080/

should pass every request for servername/whatever to the zopeserver, port
9999, the rest goes to the 8080 port. you can add many of thoes rules. As
far as I remember, you just should always make sure that the "/" rule is at
the end, as the rules are processes from the top down. Each of the folders
you specifiy can go to a different server or server subdirectory, be it an
Apache or a Zope. Of course they can even be on different machines.

> Or can I use clever rewriting rules to have *everything else* go to
special
> places (like https:/store go to normal Apache (SSL) places, /mailman go to
> the usual mailman, and everything else go directly to Zope without a
prefix?

Yes, and as I already said this should be able without rewriting rules. SSL
works fine with this, too. Just put the proxy pass rules into the section
where you define the SSL server ...




From joe@iuveno-net.de  Sun May 27 10:11:22 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:11:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope and SSL
References: <001201c0e5fd$aaf76340$6901a8c0@EM2> <001c01c0e607$5d8f3600$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de> <20010527125220.B457@madcap.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <006601c0e68d$053dfe60$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> > Only problem: This gives you SSL-only. If you want both https: and plain
> > http: from the same server, you will either have to use Apache or two
> > ZServers and ZEO.
> 
> Nope, single instance of Zope gives you both [...] 

Sorry, I didn't know that yet.

> The above (using the latest snapshot) gives you a http server on 8080, a
> https server on 8443, a WebDAV-source-port server (for broken WebDAV
> clients) on 8081, and a WebDAV-source-port-over-https server on 8444. 

Cool. But this was not the case in the earlier versions, right? 

> You also get xmlrpc-over-https with the https server on 8443.
> The SSL support in Python 2.1 doesn't do servers.

Ok. That is a major restriction ;-)

Joachim



From tino@wildenhain.de  Sun May 27 10:22:37 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:22:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
In-Reply-To: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C6659@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.de>
References: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C6659@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.
 e>
Message-ID: <38440553.990962557@BUZZER>

Hi Phillipp,

what exactly do you want to do?
May be start and size can help you?

And please use only text to send to mailing lists.

Regards
Tino

--On Sonntag, 27. Mai 2001 01:53 +0200 Philipp Robbel 
<philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I have a question regarding the use of dtml-Variables in the "start=" and
> "end=" sections of an <dtml-in..> loop.
> I have to do a calculation and I would like it to be in the "end="
> section of a <dtml-in> loop. I can't get the following code to work:
> <dtml-in someFunction start=1 end=&dtml-Count;-&dtml-Value;> or:
> <dtml-in someFunction start=1 end="_.getitem('Count')
> -_.getitem('Value')">
> My current workaround is to set a variable <dtml-call
> "REQUEST.set('TEMP',_.getitem('Count') -_.getitem('Value'))"> and use
> that Variable TEMP in my <dtml-in..>:
>
> <dtml-in someFunction start=1 end=TEMP>
>
> And this finally works.
>
>
> But is there a better solution? Can I do Variable-Additions/Subtractions
> within the "end=" Section of the <dtml-in..> Tag?
>
> Thank you very much,
> Philipp Robbel






From philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de  Sun May 27 10:37:39 2001
From: philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de (Philipp Robbel)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:37:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
Message-ID: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C665C@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.de>

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From tino@wildenhain.de  Sun May 27 10:48:56 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:48:56 +0200
Subject: [Zope] extracting a series of pages out of a Zope database?
In-Reply-To: <15119.58633.993999.915520@beluga.mojam.com>
References: <15119.58633.993999.915520@beluga.mojam.com>
Message-ID: <40018547.990964136@BUZZER>

Hi Skip,

believe me, the easyest way is to quickly install zope
again. Where by the way is there a "rigamarole"?

Regards
Tino

--On Samstag, 26. Mai 2001 12:16 -0500 skip@pobox.com wrote:

> I took down a machine (and reinstalled Linux from scratch) on a machine
> that had been running Zope.  I need to extract a set of pages out of the
> database.  How can I go about that without going through the rigamarole of
> installing and running Zope?
>
> Thx,
>
> --
> Skip Montanaro (skip@pobox.com)
> (847)971-7098
>
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From tom@cameron.to  Sun May 27 11:08:45 2001
From: tom@cameron.to (Tom Cameron)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 20:08:45 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIEEEKEMAA.tom@mooball.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEENEMAA.tom@cameron.to>

Follow up..

I have tried to recompile Python. But I now get this error when I run
./start

2001-05-27T10:05:57 PANIC(300) z2 Startup exception
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/z2.py, line 566, in ?
  File <string>, line 1, in ?
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 94, in ?
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZODB/__init__.py, line 85, in ?
ImportError: /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ExtensionClass.so:
Undefined symbol "PyMethod_Type"

Any clues?
Thanks


=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tom
=> Cameron
=> Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2001 4:32 PM
=> To: zope@zope.org
=> Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
=>
=>
=> I am not sure if this is a simple problem or not.
=>
=> I am using FreeBSD 4.0 Stable and I just downloaded zope-2.3.2-src. I ran
=> python wo_pcgi.py and that seemed to work fine, but when I start
=> Zope I get
=> the following error....
=>
=> bash-2.03# ./start &
=> 2001-05-27T06:22:19 PANIC(300) z2 Startup exception
=> Traceback (innermost last):
=>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/z2.py, line 566, in ?
=>   File <string>, line 1, in ?
=>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py,
=> line 95, in ?
=>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/OFS/Application.py,
=> line 91, in
=> ?
=>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/App/Product.py, line
=> 111, in ?
=>   File
=> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/__init__.py, line 20,
=> in ?
=>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/ZClass.py,
=> line 88, in
=> ?
=>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/Method.py,
=> line 97, in
=> ?
=>   File
=> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/__init__.py,
=> line 89, in ?
=>   File
=> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Pytho
=> nScript.py,
=> line 96, in ?
=>   File
=> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Guard
=> ed.py, line
=> 88, in ?
=>   File
=> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbyte
=> codehacks/V
=> SExec.py, line 42, in ?
=>   File
=> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbyte
=> codehacks/o
=> ps.py, line 5, in ?
=>   File
=> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbyte
=> codehacks/o
=> pbases.py, line 1, in ?
=> ImportError: No module named new
=>
=> I have installed zope successfully on several other machines, but this is
=> the first time I have used this machine.
=>
=> Thanks,
=> Tom
=>
=>
=> _______________________________________________
=> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
=> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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=> (Related lists -
=>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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=>



From daniel.fairs@spiderplant.net  Sun May 27 11:07:33 2001
From: daniel.fairs@spiderplant.net (Daniel Fairs)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:07:33 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Logging In
Message-ID: <CHEBKGKLGOBGFEGBHIEKKEMACDAA.daniel.fairs@spiderplant.net>

Hi,

How does one log someone into Zope without using the HTTP authentication? Do
I have to use a different type of User Folder? Essentially, I'd like to have
a login/password box in the top corner of the screen available all the time
so the user can log in when they want. Any recommendations?

Many thanks,
Dan

_________________________________________________________________
Daniel Fairs | daniel.fairs@spiderplant.net | www.spiderplant.net



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Sun May 27 11:22:55 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:22:55 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEENEMAA.tom@cameron.to>
Message-ID: <003701c0e697$08d4fc40$b5a5403e@typhoon>

I'm pretty sure that means you have a Python version not supported, seems
strange though when you say you have 2.3.2, hmmm.

phil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Cameron" <tom@cameron.to>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: [Zope] Zope won't start


> Follow up..
>
> I have tried to recompile Python. But I now get this error when I run
> ./start
>
> 2001-05-27T10:05:57 PANIC(300) z2 Startup exception
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/z2.py, line 566, in ?
>   File <string>, line 1, in ?
>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 94, in
?
>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZODB/__init__.py, line 85, in
?
> ImportError: /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ExtensionClass.so:
> Undefined symbol "PyMethod_Type"
>
> Any clues?
> Thanks
>
>
> => -----Original Message-----
> => From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tom
> => Cameron
> => Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2001 4:32 PM
> => To: zope@zope.org
> => Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
> =>
> =>
> => I am not sure if this is a simple problem or not.
> =>
> => I am using FreeBSD 4.0 Stable and I just downloaded zope-2.3.2-src. I
ran
> => python wo_pcgi.py and that seemed to work fine, but when I start
> => Zope I get
> => the following error....
> =>
> => bash-2.03# ./start &
> => 2001-05-27T06:22:19 PANIC(300) z2 Startup exception
> => Traceback (innermost last):
> =>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/z2.py, line 566, in ?
> =>   File <string>, line 1, in ?
> =>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py,
> => line 95, in ?
> =>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/OFS/Application.py,
> => line 91, in
> => ?
> =>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/App/Product.py, line
> => 111, in ?
> =>   File
> => /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/__init__.py, line 20,
> => in ?
> =>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/ZClass.py,
> => line 88, in
> => ?
> =>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/Method.py,
> => line 97, in
> => ?
> =>   File
> =>
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/__init__.py,
> => line 89, in ?
> =>   File
> => /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Pytho
> => nScript.py,
> => line 96, in ?
> =>   File
> => /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Guard
> => ed.py, line
> => 88, in ?
> =>   File
> => /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbyte
> => codehacks/V
> => SExec.py, line 42, in ?
> =>   File
> => /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbyte
> => codehacks/o
> => ps.py, line 5, in ?
> =>   File
> => /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbyte
> => codehacks/o
> => pbases.py, line 1, in ?
> => ImportError: No module named new
> =>
> => I have installed zope successfully on several other machines, but this
is
> => the first time I have used this machine.
> =>
> => Thanks,
> => Tom
> =>
> =>
> => _______________________________________________
> => Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> => http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> => **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> => (Related lists -
> =>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> =>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> =>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tom@cameron.to  Sun May 27 11:35:47 2001
From: tom@cameron.to (Tom Cameron)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 20:35:47 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <003701c0e697$08d4fc40$b5a5403e@typhoon>
Message-ID: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to>

Phil,
I am setting up a new machine, I have just downloaded and recompiled
python1.5.2 and then recompiled Zope2.3.2. Both latest versions on a clean
machine.

I must have missed something simple, but I cant figure it out.

Tom

=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: Phil Harris [mailto:phil.harris@zope.co.uk]
=> Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2001 8:23 PM
=> To: tom@cameron.to; zope@zope.org
=> Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope won't start
=>
=>
=> I'm pretty sure that means you have a Python version not supported, seems
=> strange though when you say you have 2.3.2, hmmm.
=>
=> phil
=>
=> ----- Original Message -----
=> From: "Tom Cameron" <tom@cameron.to>
=> To: <zope@zope.org>
=> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 11:08 AM
=> Subject: RE: [Zope] Zope won't start
=>
=>
=> > Follow up..
=> >
=> > I have tried to recompile Python. But I now get this error when I run
=> > ./start
=> >
=> > 2001-05-27T10:05:57 PANIC(300) z2 Startup exception
=> > Traceback (innermost last):
=> >   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/z2.py, line 566, in ?
=> >   File <string>, line 1, in ?
=> >   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py,
=> line 94, in
=> ?
=> >   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZODB/__init__.py,
=> line 85, in
=> ?
=> > ImportError: /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ExtensionClass.so:
=> > Undefined symbol "PyMethod_Type"
=> >
=> > Any clues?
=> > Thanks
=> >
=> >
=> > => -----Original Message-----
=> > => From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On
=> Behalf Of Tom
=> > => Cameron
=> > => Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2001 4:32 PM
=> > => To: zope@zope.org
=> > => Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
=> > =>
=> > =>
=> > => I am not sure if this is a simple problem or not.
=> > =>
=> > => I am using FreeBSD 4.0 Stable and I just downloaded
=> zope-2.3.2-src. I
=> ran
=> > => python wo_pcgi.py and that seemed to work fine, but when I start
=> > => Zope I get
=> > => the following error....
=> > =>
=> > => bash-2.03# ./start &
=> > => 2001-05-27T06:22:19 PANIC(300) z2 Startup exception
=> > => Traceback (innermost last):
=> > =>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/z2.py, line 566, in ?
=> > =>   File <string>, line 1, in ?
=> > =>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py,
=> > => line 95, in ?
=> > =>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/OFS/Application.py,
=> > => line 91, in
=> > => ?
=> > =>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/App/Product.py, line
=> > => 111, in ?
=> > =>   File
=> > => /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/__init__.py, line 20,
=> > => in ?
=> > =>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/ZClass.py,
=> > => line 88, in
=> > => ?
=> > =>   File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/ZClasses/Method.py,
=> > => line 97, in
=> > => ?
=> > =>   File
=> > =>
=> /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/__init__.py,
=> > => line 89, in ?
=> > =>   File
=> > => /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Pytho
=> > => nScript.py,
=> > => line 96, in ?
=> > =>   File
=> > => /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/Guard
=> > => ed.py, line
=> > => 88, in ?
=> > =>   File
=> > => /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbyte
=> > => codehacks/V
=> > => SExec.py, line 42, in ?
=> > =>   File
=> > => /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbyte
=> > => codehacks/o
=> > => ps.py, line 5, in ?
=> > =>   File
=> > => /usr/local/Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/Products/PythonScripts/zbyte
=> > => codehacks/o
=> > => pbases.py, line 1, in ?
=> > => ImportError: No module named new
=> > =>
=> > => I have installed zope successfully on several other
=> machines, but this
=> is
=> > => the first time I have used this machine.
=> > =>
=> > => Thanks,
=> > => Tom
=> > =>
=> > =>
=> > => _______________________________________________
=> > => Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
=> > => http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
=> > => **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
=> > => (Related lists -
=> > =>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
=> > =>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
=> > =>
=> >
=> >
=> > _______________________________________________
=> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
=> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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=>



From markus@johalla.de  Sun May 27 12:00:27 2001
From: markus@johalla.de (Markus Mohr)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 13:00:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Documentation for web-designers
Message-ID: <3B10DE4B.55CBFAFD@johalla.de>

Hi!

I'm looking for an introduction to Zope for web-designers.
I'm having a bunch of people with lots of knowledge about html,
javascript,... and such, but know nil about zope , dtml or python. Is
there a documentation out there that I can give to them for a good start
into zope?

thanks a lot
marksu


From norman@khine.net  Sun May 27 12:39:04 2001
From: norman@khine.net (Norman Khine)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:39:04 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Starting ZOPE when you don't have access to the machine
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEDKCDAA.norman@khine.net>

Hello,
I have a virtual server, ie sub-hosting with a virtual sub host, and have
configured zope 2.3.2b2 with python 2.0 on freebsd 4.2

I read in a previous post "somewhere" ;^) that if you start zope on a secure
shell with ./start & and then close this connection the zope server will
stop running.

Which is what is happening, if I start the zope server via the shell and
live the shell open the server can run forever, unless I restart it, but as
soon as I close the shell connection the zope server shuts as well.

My question therefore is -- How do I start the ZServer if one does not have
access to the actual machine?

Many thanks

Norman

      /*/\*\/\*\   /*/ \*\ /*/ \*\ |*|     Norman Khine
     /*/ /*/ /*/   \*\_   |*|   |*||*|     mailto:norman@khine.net
    /*/ /*/ /*/\*\/*/  \*\|*|   |*||*|     Purley, UK
   /*/     /*/  /*/\*\_/*/ \*\_/*/ |*|____
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^/*/^^^^^^^^^^^\*\^^^^^^^^^^^
              /*/             \*\




From tim@freepm.org  Sun May 27 12:59:54 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 06:59:54 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Starting ZOPE when you don't have access to the machine
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEDKCDAA.norman@khine.net>
Message-ID: <3B10EC3A.46CE4E14@iswt.com>

Norman Khine wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have a virtual server, ie sub-hosting with a virtual sub host, and have
> configured zope 2.3.2b2 with python 2.0 on freebsd 4.2
> 
> I read in a previous post "somewhere" ;^) that if you start zope on a secure
> shell with ./start & and then close this connection the zope server will
> stop running.

I currently have three installations of Zope where I have never
physically touched (or been in the same room) with the machine it
is running on.  Everyone of them I started with ./start& through
either a telnet or ssh connection. I wait until the server comes
up then exit the connection:

       Zope version: Zope 2.2.0 (binary release, python 1.5.2,
linux2-x86) 
       Python version: 1.5.2 (#10, Dec 6 1999, 12:16:27) [GCC
2.7.2.3] 
       System Platform: linux2 
       Process ID: 2240 (3076) 
       Running for: 186 days 13 hours 42 min 42 sec 

This one is almost 3,000 miles away.

So, I'm not sure why yours won't continue running, but it should. 

-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From joe@iuveno-net.de  Sun May 27 13:17:20 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:17:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Starting ZOPE when you don't have access to the machine
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEDKCDAA.norman@khine.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c0e6a6$fae2c8a0$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> I read in a previous post "somewhere" ;^) that if you start zope on a
secure
> shell with ./start & and then close this connection the zope server will
> stop running.
>
> Which is what is happening, if I start the zope server via the shell and
> live the shell open the server can run forever, unless I restart it, but
as
> soon as I close the shell connection the zope server shuts as well.
>
> My question therefore is -- How do I start the ZServer if one does not
have
> access to the actual machine?

I am not sure, but what about switching off debug mode ("-D" in the start
script)?
Also, you could try

nohup ./start &

That should always work ...



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Sun May 27 13:19:53 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 13:19:53 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Starting ZOPE when you don't have access to the machine
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEDKCDAA.norman@khine.net>
Message-ID: <001701c0e6a7$562b5060$d6aa403e@typhoon>

Norman,

Have you tried running with nohup?

Something like

nohup ./start &

That should leave the server running.

hth

Phil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman Khine" <norman@khine.net>
To: "Zope" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: [Zope] Starting ZOPE when you don't have access to the machine


> Hello,
> I have a virtual server, ie sub-hosting with a virtual sub host, and have
> configured zope 2.3.2b2 with python 2.0 on freebsd 4.2
>
> I read in a previous post "somewhere" ;^) that if you start zope on a
secure
> shell with ./start & and then close this connection the zope server will
> stop running.
>
> Which is what is happening, if I start the zope server via the shell and
> live the shell open the server can run forever, unless I restart it, but
as
> soon as I close the shell connection the zope server shuts as well.
>
> My question therefore is -- How do I start the ZServer if one does not
have
> access to the actual machine?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Norman
>
>       /*/\*\/\*\   /*/ \*\ /*/ \*\ |*|     Norman Khine
>      /*/ /*/ /*/   \*\_   |*|   |*||*|     mailto:norman@khine.net
>     /*/ /*/ /*/\*\/*/  \*\|*|   |*||*|     Purley, UK
>    /*/     /*/  /*/\*\_/*/ \*\_/*/ |*|____
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^/*/^^^^^^^^^^^\*\^^^^^^^^^^^
>               /*/             \*\
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Sun May 27 13:24:42 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:24:42 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
In-Reply-To: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C665C@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.de>
References: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C665C@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.
 e>
Message-ID: <49364273.990973482@BUZZER>

Hi Philipp,

ok, I see what you want to do here, but not why
you want to do it (that way) ;)
Why not using:

<dtml-in "DATA[start:end]"> or whatever.

Please explain what you are about to do with your
complicated use of the in-tag.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Sonntag, 27. Mai 2001 11:37 +0200 Philipp Robbel 
<philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de> wrote:

> Hallo,
>
> sorry, I am using MS Outlook "Web Access" running on my company's server
> and I cannot find any option how to send messages in plain text! Sorry
> for that.
>
>> what exactly do you want to do?
>> May be start and size can help you?
>
> Basically I have an outer <dtml-in> and another nested one:
>
> <dtml-in ...>
>      ....
>      <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('TEMP',1)">
>      ....
>      <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('TEMP2', (TEMP+_.getitem('Count'))-1)">
>      <dtml-in DATA start=TEMP end=TEMP2>
>      ...
>      </dtml-in>
>      <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('TEMP', TEMP+(_.getitem('Count')))">
> </dtml-let>
>
> You can see from the code that I have to work with REQUEST.set to get
> around the problem that I cannot type:
> <dtml-in DATA start=TEMP end="TEMP + _.getitem('Count')-1"> or
> something.
>
> Can you think of a way to use (python) calculations in the "end=" of
> <dtml-in>?
>
>
> Thanks again,
> Philipp Robbel






From khine@btinternet.com  Sun May 27 13:40:10 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 13:40:10 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Starting ZOPE when you don't have access to the machine
In-Reply-To: <3B10EC3A.46CE4E14@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOGEDLCDAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Thanks,

Maybe I am getting confused ;^o somewhere, I saw a post that talked about
this -- sorry can't remember exactly.

I'll check the setup again.

Regards

Norman

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tim
Cook
Sent: 27 May 2001 13:00
To: Norman Khine
Cc: Zope
Subject: Re: [Zope] Starting ZOPE when you don't have access to the
machine


Norman Khine wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I have a virtual server, ie sub-hosting with a virtual sub host, and have
> configured zope 2.3.2b2 with python 2.0 on freebsd 4.2
>
> I read in a previous post "somewhere" ;^) that if you start zope on a
secure
> shell with ./start & and then close this connection the zope server will
> stop running.

I currently have three installations of Zope where I have never
physically touched (or been in the same room) with the machine it
is running on.  Everyone of them I started with ./start& through
either a telnet or ssh connection. I wait until the server comes
up then exit the connection:

       Zope version: Zope 2.2.0 (binary release, python 1.5.2,
linux2-x86)
       Python version: 1.5.2 (#10, Dec 6 1999, 12:16:27) [GCC
2.7.2.3]
       System Platform: linux2
       Process ID: 2240 (3076)
       Running for: 186 days 13 hours 42 min 42 sec

This one is almost 3,000 miles away.

So, I'm not sure why yours won't continue running, but it should.

--
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc.
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM

_______________________________________________
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From katrin@beehive.de  Sun May 27 13:38:07 2001
From: katrin@beehive.de (katrin)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:38:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] cache settings
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105271436340.6962-100000@apis.intern.beehive.de>

Hi everyone,

can someone tell me what the permission 'Change cache settings' is for? I
found that it's defined in the module Cache.py but I'm not sure what it is
used for.

Thanks for any help,
Katrin


---------------------------------------------------------
Katrin Kirchner
beehive elektronische medien GmbH
Fischerh=FCttenstr. 79 b
D-14163 Berlin
Tel.: 0 30 / 84 78 20




From khine@btinternet.com  Sun May 27 13:50:17 2001
From: khine@btinternet.com (Norman Khine)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 13:50:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Starting ZOPE when you don't have access to the machine
In-Reply-To: <001d01c0e6a6$fae2c8a0$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
Message-ID: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOOEDLCDAA.khine@btinternet.com>

Thanks, to all, I'll try nohup ./start &


Regards
Norman
-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
Joachim Werner
Sent: 27 May 2001 13:17
To: Zope
Subject: Re: [Zope] Starting ZOPE when you don't have access to the
machine


> I read in a previous post "somewhere" ;^) that if you start zope on a
secure
> shell with ./start & and then close this connection the zope server will
> stop running.
>
> Which is what is happening, if I start the zope server via the shell and
> live the shell open the server can run forever, unless I restart it, but
as
> soon as I close the shell connection the zope server shuts as well.
>
> My question therefore is -- How do I start the ZServer if one does not
have
> access to the actual machine?

I am not sure, but what about switching off debug mode ("-D" in the start
script)?
Also, you could try

nohup ./start &

That should always work ...


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From philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de  Sun May 27 13:49:37 2001
From: philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de (Philipp Robbel)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:49:37 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Sun May 27 14:00:15 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:00:15 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
In-Reply-To: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C665D@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.de>
References: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C665D@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.
 e>
Message-ID: <51495852.990975614@BUZZER>

Hi Philipp,

just clean your mind, concentrate and tell me
what you really want to do. Not how you want
it to do but what and why :-)

I have the impression there is a much better and
easy solution to your problem.

Forget for a moment all about in-tags, starts and
ends.

Just tell me what you have (DATA) and what you
want to display under which circumstances.

Regards
Tino

--On Sonntag, 27. Mai 2001 14:49 +0200 Philipp Robbel 
<philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>> [...]
>> <dtml-in "DATA[start:end]"> or whatever.
>> [...]
>
> yes, such a syntax should _theoretically_ do the proper thing, but I
> always get a
> "Error Value: sequence index must be integer" when trying to do the
> [start:end] stuff within the <dtml-in> Tag.
>
> Any Ideas how I could either
> a) use "DATA[start: x + y]" in Zope (where x and y are dtml-Variables!)
> b) do <dtml-in DATA start=1 end= x + y (where x and y are
> dtml-Variables!)
>
> Thanks again,
> Philipp






From tino@wildenhain.de  Sun May 27 14:14:26 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:14:26 +0200
Subject: [Zope] cache settings
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105271436340.6962-100000@apis.intern.beehive.de>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105271436340.6962-100000@apis.intern.beehive.d
 >
Message-ID: <52346748.990976465@BUZZER>

Hi Katrin,

this is for changing the settings for objects
regarding CacheManager objects.
There are different Cache classes available:
memory cache, proxy cache etc.

This is simply the permission allowing someone
to influence how and when an object is used in
conjunction with a CacheManager.

Regards
Tino

--On Sonntag, 27. Mai 2001 14:38 +0200 katrin <katrin@beehive.de> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> can someone tell me what the permission 'Change cache settings' is for? I
> found that it's defined in the module Cache.py but I'm not sure what it =
is
> used for.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Katrin
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Katrin Kirchner
> beehive elektronische medien GmbH
> Fischerh=FCttenstr. 79 b
> D-14163 Berlin
> Tel.: 0 30 / 84 78 20
>
>
>
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Sun May 27 14:23:09 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:23:09 +0200
Subject: [Zope] argument passing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105261657030.9680-100000@dialognet.dialognet.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105261657030.9680-100000@dialognet.dialognet.c
 m>
Message-ID: <52870232.990976989@BUZZER>

Hi (Honey|George) (dont know which is the first name ;)

if the zope remains on the same system and the behaviour
varies from one client to another I would expect something
with the clients.
Have you tried cleaning the cache of the browser?
You have to close and restart the browser most times
(at least with IE) to get the effect (there is a memory
cache in Internetexplorer wich is not purget unless you
restart the application)

Let me know if that helps.

The code looks ok. If you like it, you can also
write:

<a href="http://www.somesite.com/page2.html?memname=&dtml-memname;">

please note: do not omit the sheme (http://) in front of absolute
URLs. This leads to confusion for many browsers. Its simply wrong.

Regards
Tino Wildenhain

--On Samstag, 26. Mai 2001 16:57 +0530 Honey George <george@dialognet.com> 
wrote:

> Hi,
> 	I have a problem in passing arguments. If anybody knows the
> solution please send me.
> I am passing the argument like this
>
> <a hfref="www.somesite.com/page2.html?memname=<dtml-var memname>"> Page2
> </a>
>
>    But when I invoke the page the url is displying like this,
> "  www.somesite.com/page2.html?memname=memname"
>
> The value associated with memname is not displayed. But the same page is
> displaying in another system correctly. I am accessing thepage from a
> Windows NT machine using the browse IE5.0
>
>    If anybody knows the answer, please help me.
>
>
> Regards,
>   George
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> Honey George
> Dialognet Technologies
> Y 220, II Avenue, Anna Nagar
> Chennai 600 040, India.
> Ph. +91 44 6216851/ 52
> Fax. +91 44 6216873
> www.dialognet.com
>
>
>
>
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From rhess@bic.ch  Sun May 27 14:48:16 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:48:16 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Documentation for web-designers
References: <3B10DE4B.55CBFAFD@johalla.de>
Message-ID: <3B1105A0.387AC8EB@bic.ch>

Markus Mohr wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I'm looking for an introduction to Zope for web-designers.
> I'm having a bunch of people with lots of knowledge about html,
> javascript,... and such, but know nil about zope , dtml or python. Is
> there a documentation out there that I can give to them for a good start
> into zope?
> 
> thanks a lot
> marksu

Hi Markus

Maybe the best start for Zope is the Zope book:

http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/

It will get to the book shops in June or July, but you can have a look
at the current draft at the above link (including a downloadable pdf
format).

---Flynt


From philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de  Sun May 27 15:08:25 2001
From: philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de (Philipp Robbel)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 16:08:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
Message-ID: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C665F@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.de>

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From renfro@tntech.edu  Sun May 27 15:38:48 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 09:38:48 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Starting ZOPE when you don't have access to the machine
In-Reply-To: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEDKCDAA.norman@khine.net>; from norman@khine.net on Sun, May 27, 2001 at 12:39:04PM +0100
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEDKCDAA.norman@khine.net>
Message-ID: <20010527093848.B7970@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Sun, May 27, 2001 at 12:39:04PM +0100, Norman Khine wrote:

> I read in a previous post "somewhere" ;^) that if you start zope on a secure
> shell with ./start & and then close this connection the zope server will
> stop running.

It'll eventually crash (or at least flake) when it tries to write to a
non-existent standard output descriptor. Debug mode, or any products
which have Python print statements in them for debugging purposes,
will cause it.

nohup should fix it, and will most likely save any output in
nohup.out, which will help you track down which product or feature is
spewing out print statements.

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From marc@bowery.com  Sun May 27 15:53:50 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 10:53:50 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Documentation for web-designers
In-Reply-To: <3B1105A0.387AC8EB@bic.ch>
Message-ID: <B7368D3D.2DFC1%marc@bowery.com>

Also look at http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Guides/

> From: Flynt <rhess@bic.ch>
> Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:48:16 +0200
> To: Markus Mohr <markus@johalla.de>
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Documentation for web-designers
> 
> Markus Mohr wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I'm looking for an introduction to Zope for web-designers.
>> I'm having a bunch of people with lots of knowledge about html,
>> javascript,... and such, but know nil about zope , dtml or python. Is
>> there a documentation out there that I can give to them for a good start
>> into zope?
>> 
>> thanks a lot
>> marksu
> 
> Hi Markus
> 
> Maybe the best start for Zope is the Zope book:
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/
> 
> It will get to the book shops in June or July, but you can have a look
> at the current draft at the above link (including a downloadable pdf
> format).
> 
> ---Flynt
> 
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From tim@freepm.org  Sun May 27 16:25:46 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 10:25:46 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Starting ZOPE when you don't have access to the machine
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOGEDLCDAA.khine@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3B111C7A.E211C6DB@iswt.com>

Norman Khine wrote:
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Maybe I am getting confused ;^o somewhere, I saw a post that talked about
> this -- sorry can't remember exactly.

Reading Mike's response reminded me that maybe it's because you
do not have a log file setup?
Be sure to set STUPID_LOG_FILE='var/Zope.log' (or somewhere your
Zope user has write access) in your start file.

HTH,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From tino@wildenhain.de  Sun May 27 16:38:48 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 17:38:48 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
In-Reply-To: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C665F@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.de>
References: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C665F@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.
 e>
Message-ID: <61008718.990985128@BUZZER>

Hi Philipp,


--On Sonntag, 27. Mai 2001 16:08 +0200 Philipp Robbel=20
<philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de> wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> Allright :-)
> I have cached the results of a sql-Method via <dtml-let
> DATA=3DsqlListProjects>.
> GroupID  ProjectID   Project
> 1               1                  "Gurr"
> 1               2                  "Muh"
> 2               3                  "Ih-Ah"
> 3               4                  "M=C3=A4hh"
> 3               5                  "WauWau"
>
> A second sqlMethod (sqlCount) returns:
> Count
>| 2 |
> ----
>| 1 |
> ----
>| 2 |
> ...
>
> The two sql-Methods are related: Count shoes, how many Projects belong
> to one GroupID.
> Now imagine that I want to print out the projects in the following way:
>
> GroupID 1:
> Gurr, Muh
>
> GroupID 2:
> Ih-Ah
>
> GroupID 3:
> M=C3=A4h, WauWau
>
First of all, you dont have to cache SQL results via dtml-let. Zope
does this already for you.

If you have 2 queries:
sqlGroupList:
SELECT DISTINCT GroupID FROM Projects

and the other:
sqlProjectList(arg_GroupID)
SELECT ProjectID, Project FROM Projects WHERE GroupID=3D<dtml-arg_GroupID=20
type=3Dint>

so you can:

<dtml-in sqlGroupList>
GroupID &dtml-GroupID;:
 <dtml-in "sqlProjectList(arg_GroupID=3DGroupID)">
  <dtml-unless sequence-start>,</dtml-unless>
  <dtml-var Project>
 </dtml-in>
</dtml-in>

This looks a bit cleaner imho ;)

Regards
Tino Wildenhain


From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Sun May 27 17:05:58 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:05:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Documentation for web-designers
References: <3B10DE4B.55CBFAFD@johalla.de>
Message-ID: <001a01c0e6c6$eb706a60$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

From: "Markus Mohr" <markus@johalla.de>
> I'm looking for an introduction to Zope for web-designers.
> I'm having a bunch of people with lots of knowledge about html,
> javascript,... and such, but know nil about zope , dtml or python. Is
> there a documentation out there that I can give to them for a good start
> into zope?

Good topic for a new Zope book. Much needed imho.

Can you be clearer about what kind of introduction you are looking for.
Do you expect them to program Zope themselves, or merely be part of a team
using Zope.

Thinking Zope vs. Using Zope vs. Designing Zope vs. Understanding Zope
etc..?


./Jason
___________________________________________________________
Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']





From jasonic@nomadicsltd.com  Sun May 27 17:13:04 2001
From: jasonic@nomadicsltd.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:13:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Starting ZOPE when you don't have access to the machine
References: <EIEOIOLCDOLMCNPHEGDOIEDKCDAA.norman@khine.net> <001d01c0e6a6$fae2c8a0$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
Message-ID: <003201c0e6c7$e9627c80$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>

> nohup ./start &

Another useful tool..Am new to this one... 
What are the pros|cons and rules-of-thumb for using nohup ?

thanks
./Jason



From rpinder@usc.edu  Sun May 27 17:21:20 2001
From: rpinder@usc.edu (Rich Pinder)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 09:21:20 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Documentation for web-designers
References: <3B10DE4B.55CBFAFD@johalla.de> <001a01c0e6c6$eb706a60$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <3B112980.E12A8EA7@usc.edu>

While I understand the distinct skill sets, job titles, and prime focus
between  'designers'  and   'programmers'  I'd like to make a plug for the
possible integration of these two roles in VERY SMALL sites and applications.
I'm hoping to learn enough about both aspects to create a successful site
(ok..we're a research group, not needing to attract users, and not focused as
much on look and feel as we are on functionality - but we've gotta get a
better interface that what comes directly with Zope).

Wonder if an introduction of using a designing editor (ok.. i'll suggest
DreamWeaver)  and integrating it with a simple Zope site might be a good
start?   This might be a way for a senior, advanced Web Designer (with
javascript experience, etc) to grok the divide, and see how Zope could become
another took in their kits.  And it also might be a way to get Zope folks to
bring together their experiences (and frustrations?) in getting pure zope
sites to integrate with a more traditional site.

ZPT be a good thing to include in such an introduction??

rich

Jason Cunliffe wrote:

> From: "Markus Mohr" <markus@johalla.de>
> > I'm looking for an introduction to Zope for web-designers.
> > I'm having a bunch of people with lots of knowledge about html,
> > javascript,... and such, but know nil about zope , dtml or python. Is
> > there a documentation out there that I can give to them for a good start
> > into zope?
>
> Good topic for a new Zope book. Much needed imho.
>
> Can you be clearer about what kind of introduction you are looking for.
> Do you expect them to program Zope themselves, or merely be part of a team
> using Zope.
>
> Thinking Zope vs. Using Zope vs. Designing Zope vs. Understanding Zope
> etc..?
>
> ./Jason
> ___________________________________________________________
> Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Sun May 27 17:21:50 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 18:21:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Documentation for web-designers
In-Reply-To: <001a01c0e6c6$eb706a60$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
References: <001a01c0e6c6$eb706a60$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <63589687.990987709@BUZZER>

Hi Jason, Markus,

--On Sonntag, 27. Mai 2001 12:05 -0400 Jason Cunliffe 
<jasonic@nomadicsltd.com> wrote:

> From: "Markus Mohr" <markus@johalla.de>
>> I'm looking for an introduction to Zope for web-designers.
>> I'm having a bunch of people with lots of knowledge about html,
>> javascript,... and such, but know nil about zope , dtml or python. Is
>> there a documentation out there that I can give to them for a good start
>> into zope?
>
> Good topic for a new Zope book. Much needed imho.

This is already under its way :-)
(only planned in german so far. But I suspect this pleasures
Markus even more :)

> Can you be clearer about what kind of introduction you are looking for.
> Do you expect them to program Zope themselves, or merely be part of a team
> using Zope.

In my opinion there are programmers and ones that use zope.
Surely programmers and users can be the same person.

>From trainings I know its really hard to get different people
into thinking in terms of programming, let aside internet
technologie or even zope.

A general startup into the zope direction involves an overview
of the python programming language, especially in the domain
of classes and objects.

(I find the tutorial on python.org very usefull on this subject)

Basic knowledge (the deeper the better) of whats HTTP and whats
going on between server and client is also recommended.

Last not least one has to analyse the problem to be solved before
starting the actual work on coding.

Write down (or model with a case tool) what should happen when,
from where to where flows data and who should see what and when.

(design comes at the end of such process)

Select whats common in different tasks, these parts are candidates
for classes (or zclasses, so to speak)

You dont need every programmer understand every part of your implementation
as long as you provide consistent (inner application) APIs for them.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain
> Thinking Zope vs. Using Zope vs. Designing Zope vs. Understanding Zope
> etc..?



From markus@johalla.de  Sun May 27 18:29:57 2001
From: markus@johalla.de (Markus Mohr)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 19:29:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Documentation for web-designers
References: <3B10DE4B.55CBFAFD@johalla.de> <001a01c0e6c6$eb706a60$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <3B113995.DBA49324@johalla.de>

> Can you be clearer about what kind of introduction you are looking for.
> Do you expect them to program Zope themselves, or merely be part of a team
> using Zope.
The designers know html and javascript so they know basic programming.
When they create a new site they also have the realisation in mind. They
know their tricks, but they don't know the tricks zope can do.
What is easy, what is difficult. What basic things can they do with
dtml?
The problem is that they will never (want) to learn python - thats not
their job. Still they need a grasp of things that can be done. For
example is acquisition a great thing for web design and its of course in
the docs, but the documentation has an other target group: programmers.

ciao
marksu


From markus@johalla.de  Sun May 27 18:30:30 2001
From: markus@johalla.de (Markus Mohr)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 19:30:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Documentation for web-designers
References: <B7368D3D.2DFC1%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <3B1139B6.3105F042@johalla.de>

marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> Also look at http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Guides/
All these guides are marked as deprecated.

ciao
marksu


From markus@johalla.de  Sun May 27 18:35:49 2001
From: markus@johalla.de (Markus Mohr)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 19:35:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Documentation for web-designers
References: <001a01c0e6c6$eb706a60$c3090740@megapathdsl.net> <63589687.990987709@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <3B113AF5.F5ABF1CB@johalla.de>

> This is already under its way :-)
> (only planned in german so far. But I suspect this pleasures
> Markus even more :)
Yes, will do. ;)
Is there something to see already?

> Last not least one has to analyse the problem to be solved before
> starting the actual work on coding.
> 
> Write down (or model with a case tool) what should happen when,
> from where to where flows data and who should see what and when.
> 
> (design comes at the end of such process)
Ha! Quote: 'organized work stops the flow of creativity...' :)
But you are right. Thats one of the benefits I see in zope: the need of
organized work. Helps a lot in the long run.

ciao
marksu


From Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net  Sun May 27 20:27:55 2001
From: Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net (Fernando Fuente)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:27:55 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: http-cache, caching elements
References: <001301c0e63a$dbbc0d40$010aa8c0@uhxk> <000901c0e684$3fa98640$1b00000a@e700>
Message-ID: <00d701c0e6ef$95c594e0$010aa8c0@uhxk>

sorry for asking again,

i tried the http-cache. still doesn't work ;(. what i want to achieve is
that when this image is cached once is shall be taken from the cache when
opening a new site which has not been viewed before but includes this
image....

cheers,

fernando


----- Original Message -----
From: "E. Seifert" <e.seifert@gmx.net>
To: "Fernando Fuente" <f.fuente@gmx.net>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Newbie question: http-cache, caching elements


> Hi Fernando,
>
> Fernando Fuente wrote:
> > thanks so far. i knew about these two possibilities. i would like to use
> the
> > http-cache. the problem is that i don't know how to cache single
elements
> > instead of completly parsed pages.
>
> Once again there are two way to do this. If you already have created a
cache
> manager:
>
> 1. If you have to associate several objects with your cache manager go its
> 'Associate' view. Here you can view the object already associated with the
> manager or choose new ones. You'd probably want to select 'Image' as
object
> type and click 'Locate'. Now you can check all the objects you'd like to
be
> cached and finally press 'Save changes'
>
> 2. Go to the object/image (which has to be in the cache manager's
aquisition
> path). Select the object's Cache tab now and choose the cache manager
which
> should cache the object/image under 'Cache this object using'. Click on
> 'Save Changes' to associate it with the cache manager.
>
> Now I'm sure you can get it.
>
> Greetings,
> Eric
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From lalo@hackandroll.org  Fri May 25 17:14:10 2001
From: lalo@hackandroll.org (Lalo Martins)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:14:10 -0300
Subject: [Zope] Wiki vs Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <38620000.990717700@localhost.localdomain>; from mindlace@digicool.com on Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:21:40AM -0400
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105231218320.919-100000@phd.fep.ru> <38620000.990717700@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20010525131410.B14064@laranja.org>

On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:21:40AM -0400, ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
> --On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:44:24 +0400 Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> 
> wrote:
> 
> > 2. Editing text is certainly weak point of the web. It is plainly
> > nightmare to edit text in those small <textarea>s that loose all decent
> > editing features. With e-mail, I can use whatever editor I prefer.
> 
> you can edit any zwiki on zope.org with ftp. you can't yet create pages, 
> but that looks fairly simple, so I'll get that done next week.

Actually, one of the goals I restarted development on gnope for
is editing my wikis, like at www.technomagick.net, outside the
confines of textareas. However, a document_src() method has to
be added to ZWikiPage for this to work.

[]s,
                                               |alo
                                               +----
--
           I say a prayer now our love's departed
                That you'll come back to stay
                  Bring back the perfect day

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From philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de  Sun May 27 22:20:08 2001
From: philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de (Philipp Robbel)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:20:08 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Sun May 27 22:54:13 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:54:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
In-Reply-To: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C6660@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.de>
References: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C6660@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.
 e>
Message-ID: <83530053.991007653@BUZZER>

Hi Philipp,

--On Sonntag, 27. Mai 2001 23:20 +0200 Philipp Robbel=20
<philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de> wrote:

> Hi Tino,
>
> the problem I see with your (I agree: much cleaner) code is that for
> each group you issue a SQL statement. So if I have 1000 groups you'll
> end up with 1000 SQL queries.

you will hardly show 1000 Records at once ;)

> In my (ugly :-) code you'd only have 2 sql queries:
> - the first one: sqlCount (see previous post)
> - the second (cached) one outside the iterations: DATA=3DsqlListProjects
> (large list with
>   1000*Projects rows).
>
> About the caching: I read that in Dieter's Zope Book:
> http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope/book/chap3.html

Hm. So Dieter must be wrong since it is documented otherwise.
Even more, all database interactions are enclosed in a transaction
of the publishing process (if the database adaptor supports this -
and its supposed to do that)

>
> So my question remains: is there either DATA[1:a+b] (both a and b are
> dtml-Variables) possible or <dtml-in .. start=3Da+b..> (both a and b are
> dtml-Variables).

how about <dtml-in DATA start=3DGroupStart size=3DGroupCount orphan=3D0>
</dtml-in> ?

Another solution would be:

sqlProjectList:
SELECT GroupID,ProjectID,Project FROM Project ORDER BY GroupID,ProjectID

<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('marker',-1)">
<dtml-in sqlProjectList>
   <dtml-if "marker!=3DGroupID"><dtml-call "REQUEST.set('marker',GroupID)">
     Group <dtml-var GroupID>:
   </dtml-if>
<dtml-var Project>
</dtml-in>

Regards
Tino

> Thanks again,
> Philipp
>
>
> 	-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
> 	Von: Tino Wildenhain
> 	Gesendet: So 27.5.2001 17:38
> 	An: Philipp Robbel
> 	Cc: zope@zope.org
> 	Betreff: Re: dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
> 	
> 	
>
> 	First of all, you dont have to cache SQL results via dtml-let.
> Zope
> 	does this already for you.
> 	
> 	If you have 2 queries:
> 	sqlGroupList:
> 	SELECT DISTINCT GroupID FROM Projects
> 	
> 	and the other:
> 	sqlProjectList(arg_GroupID)
> 	SELECT ProjectID, Project FROM Projects WHERE
> GroupID=3D<dtml-arg_GroupID
> 	type=3Dint>
> 	
> 	so you can:
> 	
> 	<dtml-in sqlGroupList>
> 	GroupID &dtml-GroupID;:
> 	 <dtml-in "sqlProjectList(arg_GroupID=3DGroupID)">
> 	  <dtml-unless sequence-start>,</dtml-unless>
> 	  <dtml-var Project>
> 	 </dtml-in>
> 	</dtml-in>
> 	
> 	This looks a bit cleaner imho ;)
> 	
> 	Regards
> 	Tino Wildenhain
>






From BruceP@wn.com.au  Mon May 28 02:56:23 2001
From: BruceP@wn.com.au (Bruce Pearson &/or Gwyn Ingham)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:56:23 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Passing a variable number of parameters to a Python script
Message-ID: <FIEELCDBFCOFDPDMIIGFAEMJCIAA.BruceP@wn.com.au>

Hi,

	I wonder if anyone can help me.

	I have a python script in which I want to accept a variable number of
parameters from a post method.


ie http://Localhost:8080/apply?count=2&param0=abc&param1=xyz

or
http://Localhost:8080/apply?count=4&param0=abc&param1=123&param2=rst&param3=
xyz

I want to access the parameters as a list something like this:

PythonScript

apply(count, *args)
    print count
    for arg in args
        print arg


Thanks
Bruce.



From sitongia@qwest.net  Mon May 28 03:30:42 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 20:30:42 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to>
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to>
Message-ID: <01052720304200.00409@odo>

I found a fix to the "no module new" from searching the web: comment
out the Python Modules/Setup configuration of "new newmodule.c".

I couldn't get around the PyMethod_Type problem, so I built Python
and Zope (2.2.2) from the ports.  Now I have Zope running, but
I can't use the manage interface because the zopemaster password
doesn't work, even when I reset it with post-install instructions of

python zpasswd.py -u <username> -p <passwd> -e CLEARTEXT access

Did my attempts at source-install with it's "admin" account password
corrupt the acl for the ports-install?  Something wrong with cleartext
authentication?  This authentication stuff is a hurdle.  I think I understand
that using zpasswd creates and "emergency" account, which can't do
everything.  Why do different "distrubutions" have different management
passwords?  Is there a concept of a "root" account that has authority to
do everything?  Does it have a unique name?  Is this different from the
emergency account?  Whew!

==Leonard


From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May 28 03:48:35 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 22:48:35 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to> <01052720304200.00409@odo>
Message-ID: <3B11BC83.65FE343@digicool.com>

Hi Leonard,

if you create an 'access' file with zpasswd, that file's contents select
the "superuser" account, which is different than the emergency user
account, although you can create users with it.

if you create an 'inituser' file with zpasswd, the contents of the
inituser file go towards creating an emergency user.

The emergency user is more like root than the superuser, for hysterical
reasons.

- C


Leonard Sitongia wrote:
> 
> I found a fix to the "no module new" from searching the web: comment
> out the Python Modules/Setup configuration of "new newmodule.c".
> 
> I couldn't get around the PyMethod_Type problem, so I built Python
> and Zope (2.2.2) from the ports.  Now I have Zope running, but
> I can't use the manage interface because the zopemaster password
> doesn't work, even when I reset it with post-install instructions of
> 
> python zpasswd.py -u <username> -p <passwd> -e CLEARTEXT access
> 
> Did my attempts at source-install with it's "admin" account password
> corrupt the acl for the ports-install?  Something wrong with cleartext
> authentication?  This authentication stuff is a hurdle.  I think I understand
> that using zpasswd creates and "emergency" account, which can't do
> everything.  Why do different "distrubutions" have different management
> passwords?  Is there a concept of a "root" account that has authority to
> do everything?  Does it have a unique name?  Is this different from the
> emergency account?  Whew!
> 
> ==Leonard
> 
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From sitongia@qwest.net  Mon May 28 04:16:25 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:16:25 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <3B11BC83.65FE343@digicool.com>
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to> <01052720304200.00409@odo> <3B11BC83.65FE343@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <01052721162501.00409@odo>

On Sunday 27 May 2001 20:48, Chris McDonough wrote:
> Hi Leonard,
>
> if you create an 'access' file with zpasswd, that file's contents select
> the "superuser" account, which is different than the emergency user
> account, although you can create users with it.

Thanks for your reply, Chris.  I created it with "access", but it didn't
work.

I should describe the environment: FreeBSD 4.2 with Python 1.5.2
and Zope 2.2.2, with Zope started at boot (with the file table full
message) from the ports installed boot script that nulls out the
ports and points to the CGI, which I then hit with a browser at my
Apache install (so I gather that this default FreeBSD approach
uses Zope under Apache):

nohup /usr/local/www/Zope/start -w '' -f '' -m '' -p 
/usr/local/www/cgi-bin.default/Zope.cgi >> 
/usr/local/www/Zope/var/zope-output &            

==Leonard


From sitongia@qwest.net  Mon May 28 04:24:12 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:24:12 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <01052721162501.00409@odo>
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to> <3B11BC83.65FE343@digicool.com> <01052721162501.00409@odo>
Message-ID: <01052721241202.00409@odo>

BTW, I am now reading the docs and I think my trouble is probably
from running under Apache, eh?

==Leonard


From sitongia@qwest.net  Mon May 28 04:33:54 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:33:54 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <01052721241202.00409@odo>
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to> <01052721162501.00409@odo> <01052721241202.00409@odo>
Message-ID: <01052721335403.00409@odo>

On Sunday 27 May 2001 21:24, Leonard Sitongia wrote:
> BTW, I am now reading the docs and I think my trouble is probably
> from running under Apache, eh?
>

I've followed the suggested Rewrite rule, the module is in the Apache
server, I'm using CLEARTEXT, and the super manager password still
does not work...


From sitongia@qwest.net  Mon May 28 04:37:10 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:37:10 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <01052721335403.00409@odo>
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to> <01052721241202.00409@odo> <01052721335403.00409@odo>
Message-ID: <01052721371004.00409@odo>

On Sunday 27 May 2001 21:33, Leonard Sitongia wrote:
> On Sunday 27 May 2001 21:24, Leonard Sitongia wrote:
> > BTW, I am now reading the docs and I think my trouble is probably
> > from running under Apache, eh?
>
> I've followed the suggested Rewrite rule, the module is in the Apache
> server, I'm using CLEARTEXT, and the super manager password still
> does not work...
>
Further note: if I ./start on another port, the super manager auth works.
So, there's something amiss in the default (plus mod_rewrite) configuration
in my Apache server...


From sitongia@qwest.net  Mon May 28 04:39:48 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:39:48 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <01052721335403.00409@odo>
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to> <01052721241202.00409@odo> <01052721335403.00409@odo>
Message-ID: <01052721394805.00409@odo>

Next problem: I try to add the Zope Tutorial to /, and 





Zope Error

Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. 

Error Type: SuperCannotOwn
 Error Value: Objects cannot be owned by the superuser

Which superuser is this?  I've done the add running in a
browser as my username, and authenticated at the prompting
using the super manager account...


From sitongia@qwest.net  Mon May 28 04:45:35 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:45:35 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <01052721371004.00409@odo>
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to> <01052721335403.00409@odo> <01052721371004.00409@odo>
Message-ID: <01052721453506.00409@odo>

On Sunday 27 May 2001 21:37, Leonard Sitongia wrote:

> Further note: if I ./start on another port, the super manager auth works.
> So, there's something amiss in the default (plus mod_rewrite) configuration
> in my Apache server...

Everything I try to do has me reauthenticate.  I need a shorter super
manager name.  ;-)  Something must be wrong.

Is the "Folder at /" supposed to be "Zope is unowned"?


From sitongia@qwest.net  Mon May 28 04:56:00 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:56:00 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <01052721453506.00409@odo>
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to> <01052721371004.00409@odo> <01052721453506.00409@odo>
Message-ID: <01052721560007.00409@odo>

On Sunday 27 May 2001 21:45, you wrote:
> On Sunday 27 May 2001 21:37, Leonard Sitongia wrote:
> > Further note: if I ./start on another port, the super manager auth works.
> > So, there's something amiss in the default (plus mod_rewrite)
> > configuration in my Apache server...
>
> Everything I try to do has me reauthenticate.  I need a shorter super
> manager name.  ;-)  Something must be wrong.
>
OK, a lot of that is from my use of KDE Konqueror.  Netscape shows
me more stuff, and doesn't reauth.


From chrism@digicool.com  Mon May 28 04:59:25 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:59:25 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to> <01052721335403.00409@odo> <01052721371004.00409@odo> <01052721453506.00409@odo>
Message-ID: <3B11CD1D.39960FE@digicool.com>

Leonard,

You have several problems:

1.  Your apache config is hosed somehow.  I can't really help with this,
as I'm sort of an apache moron.  For now, to get started, just use
ZServer (visit whatever http port it spits out to when you start it).

2.  Superuser cannot own objects, but he may create other users.  While
you're logged on as superuser, create another account in acl_users with
the Manager role (make sure to click the manager role in the multiselect
box when creating the user).  Then close the browser, restart it, and
log on as that user.



Leonard Sitongia wrote:
> 
> On Sunday 27 May 2001 21:37, Leonard Sitongia wrote:
> 
> > Further note: if I ./start on another port, the super manager auth works.
> > So, there's something amiss in the default (plus mod_rewrite) configuration
> > in my Apache server...
> 
> Everything I try to do has me reauthenticate.  I need a shorter super
> manager name.  ;-)  Something must be wrong.
> 
> Is the "Folder at /" supposed to be "Zope is unowned"?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From sitongia@qwest.net  Mon May 28 05:02:50 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 22:02:50 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <3B11CD1D.39960FE@digicool.com>
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to> <01052721453506.00409@odo> <3B11CD1D.39960FE@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <01052722025008.00409@odo>

On Sunday 27 May 2001 21:59, Chris McDonough wrote:
> Leonard,
>
> You have several problems:
>
> 1.  Your apache config is hosed somehow.  I can't really help with this,
> as I'm sort of an apache moron.  For now, to get started, just use
> ZServer (visit whatever http port it spits out to when you start it).
>
> 2.  Superuser cannot own objects, but he may create other users.  While
> you're logged on as superuser, create another account in acl_users with
> the Manager role (make sure to click the manager role in the multiselect
> box when creating the user).  Then close the browser, restart it, and
> log on as that user.
>
Whew!  Thanks!  I have the tutorial under my new manager.


From sitongia@qwest.net  Mon May 28 05:03:42 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 22:03:42 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <3B11CD1D.39960FE@digicool.com>
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIGEEOEMAA.tom@cameron.to> <01052721453506.00409@odo> <3B11CD1D.39960FE@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <01052722034209.00409@odo>

Thanks Chris!


From tom@cameron.to  Mon May 28 05:11:47 2001
From: tom@cameron.to (Tom Cameron)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:11:47 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <01052720304200.00409@odo>
Message-ID: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIMEFFEMAA.tom@cameron.to>

I am glad to see someone else with a similar problem. I am using FreeBSD4.0
Stable and Zope 2.3.2 and python1.5.2.

I did not use the ports because they are out of date. The zope port is old
and the python port did not have the "new" module installed. So I have
compiled both from source.

I am still getting the PyMethod_Type problem and I would like to use the
latest version of Zope. I am continuing to try other things to see if I can
get it working. I already have zope working on a similar environment on
another machine so I know it can be done. I just need help isolating this
problem.

Tom

=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: Leonard Sitongia [mailto:sitongia@qwest.net]
=> Sent: Monday, 28 May 2001 12:31 PM
=> To: Tom Cameron; Phil Harris; zope@zope.org
=> Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope won't start
=>
=>
=> I found a fix to the "no module new" from searching the web: comment
=> out the Python Modules/Setup configuration of "new newmodule.c".
=>
=> I couldn't get around the PyMethod_Type problem, so I built Python
=> and Zope (2.2.2) from the ports.  Now I have Zope running, but
=> I can't use the manage interface because the zopemaster password
=> doesn't work, even when I reset it with post-install instructions of
=>
=> python zpasswd.py -u <username> -p <passwd> -e CLEARTEXT access
=>
=> Did my attempts at source-install with it's "admin" account password
=> corrupt the acl for the ports-install?  Something wrong with cleartext
=> authentication?  This authentication stuff is a hurdle.  I think
=> I understand
=> that using zpasswd creates and "emergency" account, which can't do
=> everything.  Why do different "distrubutions" have different management
=> passwords?  Is there a concept of a "root" account that has authority to
=> do everything?  Does it have a unique name?  Is this different from the
=> emergency account?  Whew!
=>
=> ==Leonard
=>



From marc@bowery.com  Mon May 28 05:16:32 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:16:32 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Passing a variable number of parameters to a Python
 script
In-Reply-To: <FIEELCDBFCOFDPDMIIGFAEMJCIAA.BruceP@wn.com.au>
Message-ID: <B737495F.2E029%marc@bowery.com>

I know that in DTML, they would be in the REQUEST dictionary... I think in
python script, that corresponds to context.  So they would be in
context.param0, or perhaps context['param0']

> From: "Bruce Pearson &/or Gwyn Ingham" <BruceP@wn.com.au>
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:56:23 +0800
> To: "Zope" <Zope@Zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope] Passing a variable number of parameters to a Python script
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I wonder if anyone can help me.
> 
> I have a python script in which I want to accept a variable number of
> parameters from a post method.
> 
> 
> ie http://Localhost:8080/apply?count=2&param0=abc&param1=xyz
> 
> or
> http://Localhost:8080/apply?count=4&param0=abc&param1=123&param2=rst&param3=
> xyz
> 
> I want to access the parameters as a list something like this:
> 
> PythonScript
> 
> apply(count, *args)
> print count
> for arg in args
> print arg
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Bruce.
> 
> 
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From vallen@gmx.net  Mon May 28 05:59:16 2001
From: vallen@gmx.net (Andreas Vallen)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 06:59:16 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope business plan
Message-ID: <PBEILBJNACGIHBILNPFHGELBCGAA.vallen@gmx.net>

Hi list-members, 

I'm a Zope apprentice and have been closely following the user group for 2
weeks now. 
The reason for my engagement in Zope is that I'm seeking for 
a business concept - I have the task of developing a so 
called business-plan in a university course.

Why not take this serious - I thought. So I'm in the process
of developing a plan that I might really execute. 
Convinced of the open-source idea as I am and being rather
knowledgeable in Web-application development I thought I 
would finally try Zope.
So - after more days of making the "acquaintance" than I had
planned, I've now edited a first rough description of
how I think that one can make himself self-employed (and employ
other people hopefully) leveraging Zope.
I invite anyone interested to look at my writings on
http://www.zope.org/Members/vallen2/ .

I hope to inspire as many people as possible. Perhaps those
of us today doing Zope for our employers, who don't even
realize what cost savings we provide to them, can one day 
be business-partners :-).

Comments appreciated!

Have fun,
Andreas


From BruceP@wn.com.au  Mon May 28 06:00:49 2001
From: BruceP@wn.com.au (Bruce Pearson &/or Gwyn Ingham)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:00:49 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Passing a variable number of parameters to a Pythonscript
In-Reply-To: <B737495F.2E029%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <FIEELCDBFCOFDPDMIIGFKEMLCIAA.BruceP@wn.com.au>

Thanks marc,

I found using context.REQUEST.items() gave me a list of tuples that I
needed.

eg

apply(Count):

    Number_of_params = int(Count)

    for i in range(0, Number_of_params):
        key = 'param'
        key = key + str(i)
        for key_pair in context.REQUEST.items():
            if key == key_pair[0]:
                print key_pair[1]


> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of marc
> lindahl
> Sent: Monday, 28 May 2001 12:17 PM
> To: Zope
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Passing a variable number of parameters to a
> Pythonscript
>
>
> I know that in DTML, they would be in the REQUEST dictionary... I think in
> python script, that corresponds to context.  So they would be in
> context.param0, or perhaps context['param0']
>



From charlie@blanchardsite.com  Mon May 28 07:11:07 2001
From: charlie@blanchardsite.com (Charlie Blanchard)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:11:07 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope business plan
In-Reply-To: <PBEILBJNACGIHBILNPFHGELBCGAA.vallen@gmx.net>; from vallen@gmx.net on Mon, May 28, 2001 at 06:59:16AM +0200
References: <PBEILBJNACGIHBILNPFHGELBCGAA.vallen@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20010527231107.X539@blanchardsite.com>

Andreas,

Please do those of us using Netscape4.x a favor and add closing
</table> tags so the text will display on your page. As it is now
to read the page I have to view the source...

cheers,
-charlie

On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 06:59:16AM +0200, Andreas Vallen wrote:
> Hi list-members, 
> 
> I'm a Zope apprentice and have been closely following the user group for 2
> weeks now. 
> The reason for my engagement in Zope is that I'm seeking for 
> a business concept - I have the task of developing a so 
> called business-plan in a university course.
> 
> Why not take this serious - I thought. So I'm in the process
> of developing a plan that I might really execute. 
> Convinced of the open-source idea as I am and being rather
> knowledgeable in Web-application development I thought I 
> would finally try Zope.
> So - after more days of making the "acquaintance" than I had
> planned, I've now edited a first rough description of
> how I think that one can make himself self-employed (and employ
> other people hopefully) leveraging Zope.
> I invite anyone interested to look at my writings on
> http://www.zope.org/Members/vallen2/ .
> 
> I hope to inspire as many people as possible. Perhaps those
> of us today doing Zope for our employers, who don't even
> realize what cost savings we provide to them, can one day 
> be business-partners :-).
> 
> Comments appreciated!
> 
> Have fun,
> Andreas
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> (Related lists - 
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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-- 
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LosAngeles area Zope Users Group http://lazug.org


From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon May 28 07:15:36 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:15:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other
Message-ID: <01052808153600.01448@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

Hello,

I need to subtract to dates from each other.
I have searched the archives but haven't found anything useful.
Hope someone here could help me.

Regards,
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************************
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System Squid Developer
MMManager Aps
+45 29 72 79 72

gitte@mmmanager.org
************************


From e.seifert@gmx.net  Mon May 28 07:26:46 2001
From: e.seifert@gmx.net (E. Seifert)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:26:46 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Newbie question: http-cache, caching elements
References: <001301c0e63a$dbbc0d40$010aa8c0@uhxk> <000901c0e684$3fa98640$1b00000a@e700> <00d701c0e6ef$95c594e0$010aa8c0@uhxk>
Message-ID: <004601c0e73f$2bd88560$1b00000a@e700>

Hi Fernando,

Fernando Fuente wrote:
> sorry for asking again,

No problem. That's why this list exists.

> i tried the http-cache. still doesn't work ;(. what i want to achieve is
> that when this image is cached once is shall be taken from the cache when
> opening a new site which has not been viewed before but includes this
> image....

Normally the http cache should work. Be sure your browser is configured
right. It does all the caching:

Usually you can set the caching settings of your browser to values like
'check at every access', 'check once per session', or 'check never'. If your
settings are 'check at every access' then the browser will probably check
for a new version of the image in spite of the http headers he receives from
Zope.

Perhaps someone else has another idea.

Regards
Eric




From janfrode@parallab.uib.no  Mon May 28 08:01:20 2001
From: janfrode@parallab.uib.no (Jan-Frode Myklebust)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:01:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Difference between zope and apache
Message-ID: <20010528090119.A14487@ii.uib.no>

Hi, 

I've just noticed an annoying difference in the handling of directories
in zope. If I create an directory /myDirectory, put an index_html file
there, and a my.css file the index_html should use in the same directory
refering to it with <link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href="my.css"> in
the head of my document I get a structure that would work perfectly fine
in apache, but not in zope.

/myDirectory
/myDirectory/index_html
/myDirectory/my.css

Accessing http://example.com/myDirectory in zope would give me the
files http://example.com/myDirectory/index_html and
http://example.com/my.css

In apache the server would return a location header like:

	Location: http://example.com/myDirectory/

and then my browser would know it should ask for
http://example.com/myDirectory/my.css

Zope doesn't seem to set the location header, so asking for 

	http://example.com/myDirectory/
	http://example.com/myDirectory

returns different results if the index_html contains relative URLs 
below /myDirectory/.

Bug or feature? 


  -jf


From listsmurf@ur.nl  Mon May 28 08:00:16 2001
From: listsmurf@ur.nl (Jonathan (Listserv Account))
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:00:16 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest
In-Reply-To: <015401c0e4fd$54f9f4e0$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <KAEDINIAHKBIAEOEPNIBCEAOCIAA.listsmurf@ur.nl>

> The MockUp design images look heavy on images.
> Surely you must remember what is said in those books.
>
> Go for purity! and well coded CSS.
> zope.org isn't the kind of site where you want an impression. At
> digicool.com you might want to have that.
> Pleeeeeeeeaaassee don't make it one second slower :)

Zope.org *is* where you want an impression. It - not the DigiCool site - is
the first place many people will look, including newbies, decision makers
etc.

The mockup can be created with very few images, you'll need just the zope
logo, the rounded corners of the tabs and a few buttons as images, the rest
can be done using CSS.

Cya
Jonathan



From admin@ur.nl  Mon May 28 08:00:58 2001
From: admin@ur.nl (Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:00:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zope logo/webpage design contest
Message-ID: <KAEDINIAHKBIAEOEPNIBIEAOCIAA.admin@ur.nl>

> hmm... we're already working on a redesign... see
>
>
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZopeOrgCollaborationEnhancement/M
ockUp

Now that is very not bad! Coming from a graphics artist :)  Doesn't use too
much real estate. One thing though: the form fields are going to be much
bigger, especially in Netscape. Or am I missing something and does Netscape
6/Mozilla 0.8 and up offer the same features as MSIE?

Cya
Jonathan



From zstevens@connect.com.au  Mon May 28 08:09:17 2001
From: zstevens@connect.com.au (Zac Stevens)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:09:17 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Difference between zope and apache
In-Reply-To: <20010528090119.A14487@ii.uib.no>; from Jan-Frode Myklebust on Mon, May 28, 2001 at 09:01:20AM +0200
References: <20010528090119.A14487@ii.uib.no>
Message-ID: <20010528170917.G7745@connect.com.au>

On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 09:01:20AM +0200, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote:
| In apache the server would return a location header like:
| 
| 	Location: http://example.com/myDirectory/
| 
| and then my browser would know it should ask for
| http://example.com/myDirectory/my.css
| 
| Zope doesn't seem to set the location header, so asking for 
| 
| 	http://example.com/myDirectory/
| 	http://example.com/myDirectory
| 
| returns different results if the index_html contains relative URLs 
| below /myDirectory/.
| 
| Bug or feature? 

Feature.

If you look closely, you'll see that Apache actually issues an HTTP
redirect to the resource with the trailing slash.  It knows when to do this
as it can look on the filesystem to see if you are referring to a directory
or a file, and fix up your request accordingly.

Zope, being a hierarchy of objects supporting inheritance et al, cannot
make the same decisions in a consistantly reliable manner.



Zac


From martin.stoetzel@gmx.net  Mon May 28 08:17:37 2001
From: martin.stoetzel@gmx.net (Martin Stoetzel)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:17:37 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Zope] Two Languages - checking if [default_en-Method] exists
Message-ID: <23745.991034257@www26.gmx.net>

Hi,

I am working on a homepage with two languages, German and English
(whereas German is the default language, sorry guys ;)

I have a button to change the language. By clicking this 'language'-button
another index_html is loaded, the menu and the content of the main-cell
changes its language.

The problem is that I don't have the English translation of all pages and
therefore want to check if a method "default_en" exists in the folder. If not,
show the "default"-method (which is German)
It is not that easy because I need to check the exact (absolute) method
location because a folder may not have the default_en but inherits from its
Parents.

This method-exist check is the problem.
I have read former mails and tried the "hasattr" function but I could not
make it run.

Thanks for any input.

Martin

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From philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de  Mon May 28 08:17:01 2001
From: philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de (Philipp Robbel)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:17:01 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
Message-ID: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C6661@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.de>

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Hi Tino,

> how about <dtml-in DATA start=3DGroupStart size=3DGroupCount =
orphan=3D0>
> </dtml-in> ?

thanks for the tips. Right now I use a mix of your code and my prior
code :). I threw out the TEMP2 by avoiding the use of the "end=3D" but
rather "size=3DCount" (as you said).

Why exactly is "orphan=3D0" important in this context?


Thanks again,
Philipp

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<BR>
&gt; how about &lt;dtml-in DATA start=3DGroupStart size=3DGroupCount =
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&gt; &lt;/dtml-in&gt; ?<BR>
<BR>
thanks for the tips. Right now I use a mix of your code and my prior =
code :). I threw out the TEMP2 by avoiding the use of the =
&quot;end=3D&quot; but rather &quot;size=3DCount&quot; (as you =
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Sun May 27 22:42:59 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 22:42:59 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Index types, property types
References: <20010525212706.XFHV10107.mta05.onebox.com@onebox.com>
Message-ID: <001301c0e74a$481696d0$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> *sigh* I give up. I'll just use trial and error, as I'm tired of being
> RTFM'd about this.

*grinz*

Don't be too hard on Andreas, he's doing some pretty amazing work on
ZCatalog (which seems to be pretty soul destroying given the number of
people at DC who've been through it ;-)

Anyway, what is it you'd like to do?

cheers,

Chris



From etiennel@geospace.co.za  Mon May 28 09:42:20 2001
From: etiennel@geospace.co.za (Etienne Labuschagne)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:42:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Cannot get to management screens! (stuck in view page)
Message-ID: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC7B7@terraserver>

Hi all

Suddenly, and without any apparent reason, I cannot get into the management
screens when I use the /manage option after a site's URL.  When doing that I
only get the "view" screen in the right-hand panel with the site structure
left-hand panel.  When clicking on another part of the site in the left-hand
panel, the right hand only shows a "view" screen of that area and not the
management screen.  I have tried loggin in as emercency (Administrator) user
to see if permissions is not the problem, but that user have got the same
problem.  When using /manage_workspace after the URL, then I get the tabbed
workspace page (as one frame in the browser - no other frames visible).

I have seen suggestions of a bug in IE, which may be true, but I have been
working for more than a year like this without this problem ever occuring.
I have also deleted the siteroot I was using, but that also didn't solve my
problem.

Any suggestions for a desperate man?

Etienne


From etiennel@geospace.co.za  Mon May 28 09:45:45 2001
From: etiennel@geospace.co.za (Etienne Labuschagne)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:45:45 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Cannot get to management screens! (stuck in view page)
Message-ID: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC7B8@terraserver>

Hi all

Ok it does seem to be a problem with Internet Exploder - I tried Netscape
and it worked fine!  My question is, why now after more than a year of
usage!!??  Must I reinstall Zope or IE?

Regards
Etienne

-----Original Message-----
From: Etienne Labuschagne [mailto:etiennel@geospace.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 10:42 AM
To: Zope user list (E-mail)
Subject: [Zope] Cannot get to management screens! (stuck in view page)


Hi all

Suddenly, and without any apparent reason, I cannot get into the management
screens when I use the /manage option after a site's URL.  When doing that I
only get the "view" screen in the right-hand panel with the site structure
left-hand panel.  When clicking on another part of the site in the left-hand
panel, the right hand only shows a "view" screen of that area and not the
management screen.  I have tried loggin in as emercency (Administrator) user
to see if permissions is not the problem, but that user have got the same
problem.  When using /manage_workspace after the URL, then I get the tabbed
workspace page (as one frame in the browser - no other frames visible).

I have seen suggestions of a bug in IE, which may be true, but I have been
working for more than a year like this without this problem ever occuring.
I have also deleted the siteroot I was using, but that also didn't solve my
problem.

Any suggestions for a desperate man?

Etienne

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From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 28 09:54:07 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:54:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: dtml-Variablen in <dtml-in> loops?
In-Reply-To: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C6661@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.de>
References: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C6661@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.
 e>
Message-ID: <4498197.991047247@BUZZER>

Hi Philipp,

--On Montag, 28. Mai 2001 09:17 +0200 Philipp Robbel 
<philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de> wrote:

> Hi Tino,
>
>> how about <dtml-in DATA start=GroupStart size=GroupCount orphan=0>
>> </dtml-in> ?
>
> thanks for the tips. Right now I use a mix of your code and my prior
> code :). I threw out the TEMP2 by avoiding the use of the "end=" but
> rather "size=Count" (as you said).
>
> Why exactly is "orphan=0" important in this context?

because orphan defaults to 3, meaning if the next batch
consist of lesser or equal to 3 rows, these are also
ilterated over.

Regards
Tino


From burt@dfki.de  Mon May 28 09:58:35 2001
From: burt@dfki.de (Alastair Burt)
Date: 28 May 2001 10:58:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope and SSL
In-Reply-To: <20010527125220.B457@madcap.dyndns.org>
References: <001201c0e5fd$aaf76340$6901a8c0@EM2>
 <001c01c0e607$5d8f3600$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
 <20010527125220.B457@madcap.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <vglmnh3l50.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>

Ng Pheng Siong <ngps@post1.com> writes:

> On Sat, May 26, 2001 at 07:14:46PM +0200, Joachim Werner wrote:
> > There is an SSLified version of ZServer:
> > http://www.post1.com/home/ngps/zope/zssl/
> > 
> > Only problem: This gives you SSL-only. If you want both https: and plain
> > http: from the same server, you will either have to use Apache or two
> > ZServers and ZEO.
> 
> Nope, single instance of Zope gives you both and then some:
> 
>     z2s.py -D -X -w 8080 -y 8443 -W 8081 -Y 8444
> 
> The above (using the latest snapshot) gives you a http server on 8080, a
> https server on 8443, a WebDAV-source-port server (for broken WebDAV
> clients) on 8081, and a WebDAV-source-port-over-https server on 8444. 

In the README to the ZSSL version of 2001-02-01, I found the following:
 
  Beware browsers with broken HTTP/1.1 - they drive ZServerSSL to 100%
  CPU utilisation: An example is Netscape Communicator 4.72 on my
  FreeBSD boxen.

Is this still an issue?

--- Alastair



From kosh@aesaeion.com  Mon May 28 10:00:03 2001
From: kosh@aesaeion.com (kosh@aesaeion.com)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 03:00:03 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Zope] Cannot get to management screens! (stuck in view page)
In-Reply-To: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC7B8@terraserver>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0105280259230.600-100000@aesaeion.com>

It would be IE. Reinstalling zope is not the problem since zope is not the
problem. Try updating to the newest version of IE. Maybe an app you
installed applied a patch to IE or one of IEs files got corrupted.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Mon, 28 May 2001, Etienne Labuschagne wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Ok it does seem to be a problem with Internet Exploder - I tried Netscape
> and it worked fine!  My question is, why now after more than a year of
> usage!!??  Must I reinstall Zope or IE?
>
> Regards
> Etienne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Etienne Labuschagne [mailto:etiennel@geospace.co.za]
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 10:42 AM
> To: Zope user list (E-mail)
> Subject: [Zope] Cannot get to management screens! (stuck in view page)
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Suddenly, and without any apparent reason, I cannot get into the management
> screens when I use the /manage option after a site's URL.  When doing that I
> only get the "view" screen in the right-hand panel with the site structure
> left-hand panel.  When clicking on another part of the site in the left-hand
> panel, the right hand only shows a "view" screen of that area and not the
> management screen.  I have tried loggin in as emercency (Administrator) user
> to see if permissions is not the problem, but that user have got the same
> problem.  When using /manage_workspace after the URL, then I get the tabbed
> workspace page (as one frame in the browser - no other frames visible).
>
> I have seen suggestions of a bug in IE, which may be true, but I have been
> working for more than a year like this without this problem ever occuring.
> I have also deleted the siteroot I was using, but that also didn't solve my
> problem.
>
> Any suggestions for a desperate man?
>
> Etienne
>
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 28 10:04:40 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:04:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Two Languages - checking if [default_en-Method] exists
In-Reply-To: <23745.991034257@www26.gmx.net>
References: <23745.991034257@www26.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5131006.991047879@BUZZER>

Hi Martin,

there is some work under its way for content-negotiation.
However, if you just want to transparent provide localized
pages, you might try out my VaryTag (see http://www.zope.org/Members/tino/ )
Its a bit ugly in the respect it needs to spawn all language blocks
in one document.
Alternatively, you can use something like that in an index_html method:

<dtml-if "'de' in objectIDs('DTML Method')">
    <dtml-if "'en' in objectIDs('DTML Method')">
        <dtml-vary lang="de">
           <dtml-var de>
        <dtml-vary lang="en">
           <dtml-var en>
    <dtml-else>
        <dtml-var de>
    </dtml-if en>
<dtml-else>
    <dtml-var en>
</dtml-if en>

Providing you have at least one of two DTML-Methods with ids 'de' and
'en' in your folder

Note: the second "vary" is not a new tag but a block continuation
(like elif to if). You can only use one vary-tag in a published
object.

HTH
Tino Wildenhain

--On Montag, 28. Mai 2001 09:17 +0200 Martin Stoetzel 
<martin.stoetzel@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am working on a homepage with two languages, German and English
> (whereas German is the default language, sorry guys ;)
>
> I have a button to change the language. By clicking this 'language'-button
> another index_html is loaded, the menu and the content of the main-cell
> changes its language.
>
> The problem is that I don't have the English translation of all pages and
> therefore want to check if a method "default_en" exists in the folder. If
> not, show the "default"-method (which is German)
> It is not that easy because I need to check the exact (absolute) method
> location because a folder may not have the default_en but inherits from
> its Parents.
>
> This method-exist check is the problem.
> I have read former mails and tried the "hasattr" function but I could not
> make it run.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> Martin
>
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From etiennel@geospace.co.za  Mon May 28 10:11:25 2001
From: etiennel@geospace.co.za (Etienne Labuschagne)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:11:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Cannot get to management screens! (stuck in view page)
Message-ID: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC7BA@terraserver>

The problem ocurred on two machines simultaneously, both machines just had
Win2K service pack 2 applied.  That probably upgraded our IE's with a new
bug, with compliments from Microsoft.

Ah well, just will have to download NS4 . . .

Thanks
Etienne

-----Original Message-----
From: kosh@aesaeion.com [mailto:kosh@aesaeion.com]
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:00 AM
To: Etienne Labuschagne
Cc: Zope user list (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [Zope] Cannot get to management screens! (stuck in view
page)


It would be IE. Reinstalling zope is not the problem since zope is not the
problem. Try updating to the newest version of IE. Maybe an app you
installed applied a patch to IE or one of IEs files got corrupted.

Designing the webpages of tomorrow http://webme-eng.com
Designing the MMORPGS of tomorrow http://worldforge.org

On Mon, 28 May 2001, Etienne Labuschagne wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Ok it does seem to be a problem with Internet Exploder - I tried Netscape
> and it worked fine!  My question is, why now after more than a year of
> usage!!??  Must I reinstall Zope or IE?
>
> Regards
> Etienne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Etienne Labuschagne [mailto:etiennel@geospace.co.za]
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 10:42 AM
> To: Zope user list (E-mail)
> Subject: [Zope] Cannot get to management screens! (stuck in view page)
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Suddenly, and without any apparent reason, I cannot get into the
management
> screens when I use the /manage option after a site's URL.  When doing that
I
> only get the "view" screen in the right-hand panel with the site structure
> left-hand panel.  When clicking on another part of the site in the
left-hand
> panel, the right hand only shows a "view" screen of that area and not the
> management screen.  I have tried loggin in as emercency (Administrator)
user
> to see if permissions is not the problem, but that user have got the same
> problem.  When using /manage_workspace after the URL, then I get the
tabbed
> workspace page (as one frame in the browser - no other frames visible).
>
> I have seen suggestions of a bug in IE, which may be true, but I have been
> working for more than a year like this without this problem ever occuring.
> I have also deleted the siteroot I was using, but that also didn't solve
my
> problem.
>
> Any suggestions for a desperate man?
>
> Etienne
>
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From Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it>  Mon May 28 10:23:40 2001
From: Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it> (Luca Manini)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:23:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Error importing STX.zexp
Message-ID: <r264htcr9lgleadbt5kme0uet6odtlt8l5@4ax.com>

Hi,=20

I've got an error (see below) while importing=20

	STX_Document-1.2.zexp

taken at=20
=09

http://www.zope.org/Members/tseaver/STX_Document/STX_Document-1.2.zexp/vi=
ew

What's the problem???
I usually rename export files before importing (ex: STX.zexp),=20
is that allowed?
By the way, while not putting a friendly OpenDialog=20
in the import (export) form :-)

	TIA, Luca.=20




The object STX_Document does not support this operation =20

Traceback (innermost last):
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 187, in
publish
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\Zope\__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 171, in
publish
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
    (Object: manage_importObject)
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
    (Object: manage_importObject)
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\OFS\ObjectManager.py, line 562, in
manage_importObject
    (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\OFS\CopySupport.py, line 444, in
_verifyObjectPaste
    (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
Copy Error: (see above)



From Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it>  Mon May 28 10:31:18 2001
From: Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it> (Luca Manini)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:31:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: Error importing STX.zexp
Message-ID: <md64ht8vkj8b9h8psk9ad0u7l76arodfgr@4ax.com>

Hi,=20

just answering myself...

The problems seeem to be that I was importing the file from the root
folder. Importing from the Products folder works fine.=20

But way is it so?
zexp file are not always Products (are they?).=20
The error message does not help too much.=20
Why are some products "released" as zexp?

	bye, Luca.=20

>Hi,=20
>
>I've got an error (see below) while importing=20
>
>	STX_Document-1.2.zexp
> ...............
>The object STX_Document does not support this operation =20
>................
>  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\OFS\CopySupport.py, line 444, in =
_verifyObjectPaste
>    (Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
>Copy Error: (see above)



From Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be  Mon May 28 10:38:56 2001
From: Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:38:56 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts
Message-ID: <046001c0e75a$03dad5c0$8271a8c0@uz.kuleuven.ac.be>

Hi,

How can we in the python script check if the a certain variable exists in
the namespace?

ie. We can get the value of a variable by using context.myvar or
context['myvar'], but both will return an error when the myvar doesn't
exists. Now, how can you check if it exists?

I tried several things, like context.hasattr('myvar') or
context.has_key('myvar') , _hasattr(), _.hasattr() ... etc, but none seem to
work. Can somebody tell me if it even is possible? Thanks.

Tom.



From joe@iuveno-net.de  Mon May 28 10:54:18 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:54:18 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: Error importing STX.zexp
References: <md64ht8vkj8b9h8psk9ad0u7l76arodfgr@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <005201c0e75c$29e73680$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> Why are some products "released" as zexp?

Why not? ;-)

ZClass-based products can be exported from and imported to the Products
folder. That's a great feature. Of course they can not be imported into the
"instance space", as a ZClass can not be built there.

If you prefer, you can also distribute ZClass-based products as tarballs.
The "distribution" tag does all the magic for you. You can even specify
whether the users should be able to change your product over the web or not
...

Joachim




From tom@cameron.to  Mon May 28 11:03:09 2001
From: tom@cameron.to (Tom Cameron)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:03:09 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <01052720304200.00409@odo>
Message-ID: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKICEFOEMAA.tom@cameron.to>

I have now tried to use the FreeBSD ports. There is a port for zope-2.3.2
and it is dependant on python-2.1.

But I now get another different error..
su-2.03# ./start
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/www/Zope/z2.py", line 542, in ?
    import ZServer
  File "/usr/local/www/Zope/ZServer/__init__.py", line 87, in ?
    from medusa import max_sockets, asyncore
  File "/usr/local/www/Zope/ZServer/medusa/max_sockets.py", line 2, in ?
    import socket
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/socket.py", line 41, in ?
    from _socket import *
ImportError: Shared object "libssl.so.2" not found

I am not having too much luck at all. Every way I turn Zope won't start. I
am reluctant to go back to Zope2.2.2.

Any suggestions Please!

Tom

=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
=> Leonard Sitongia
=> Sent: Monday, 28 May 2001 12:31 PM
=> To: Tom Cameron; Phil Harris; zope@zope.org
=> Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope won't start
=>
=>
=> I found a fix to the "no module new" from searching the web: comment
=> out the Python Modules/Setup configuration of "new newmodule.c".
=>
=> I couldn't get around the PyMethod_Type problem, so I built Python
=> and Zope (2.2.2) from the ports.  Now I have Zope running, but
=> I can't use the manage interface because the zopemaster password
=> doesn't work, even when I reset it with post-install instructions of
=>
=> python zpasswd.py -u <username> -p <passwd> -e CLEARTEXT access
=>
=> Did my attempts at source-install with it's "admin" account password
=> corrupt the acl for the ports-install?  Something wrong with cleartext
=> authentication?  This authentication stuff is a hurdle.  I think
=> I understand
=> that using zpasswd creates and "emergency" account, which can't do
=> everything.  Why do different "distrubutions" have different management
=> passwords?  Is there a concept of a "root" account that has authority to
=> do everything?  Does it have a unique name?  Is this different from the
=> emergency account?  Whew!
=>
=> ==Leonard
=>
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From mail@peterbe.com  Mon May 28 11:15:20 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:15:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts
References: <046001c0e75a$03dad5c0$8271a8c0@uz.kuleuven.ac.be>
Message-ID: <013d01c0e75f$1b284ff0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

What was wrong with
if hasattr(context,'coffeebreak'):
    print "have coffee"
?

This is almost the equivalent of DTML's
<dtml-if coffeebreak>

Assuming your completely skip the REQUEST object out there.

It doesn't have to be 'context' like above or 'self' in External Method.
You can even do this one any Zope object.
if has(context.folder['document.html'], 'coffeebreak'):
  print "had coffee"



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:38 AM
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts


> Hi,
>
> How can we in the python script check if the a certain variable exists in
> the namespace?
>
> ie. We can get the value of a variable by using context.myvar or
> context['myvar'], but both will return an error when the myvar doesn't
> exists. Now, how can you check if it exists?
>
> I tried several things, like context.hasattr('myvar') or
> context.has_key('myvar') , _hasattr(), _.hasattr() ... etc, but none seem
to
> work. Can somebody tell me if it even is possible? Thanks.
>
> Tom.
>
>
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From Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it>  Mon May 28 11:35:51 2001
From: Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it> (Luca Manini)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:35:51 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Ways for putting contents into Zope
Message-ID: <1fa4ht8t9svggvv18j8lj6ko3e3h68t47b@4ax.com>

Hi,=20

what options are there for putting contents into Zope.  Let's say I
want to use Zope to build an intranet where not specially skilled
people (at least not "html" skilled people) has to author most of the
site contents.  Which approaches can I try?=20

Options that came to mind are:

1) make "contributions" be higly structured (I mean to have many
   properties and less "free" text) so that I can produce the output
   like a DB report.

2) try to teach them some StructuredText.

3) try to have them use some other editor to produce "simple" html and
   import it into Zope.

4) have them put almost plain text and set up some sort to publishing
   work flow where the plain text get reviewed and edited in steps by
   different skilled people up to the "final" form?

5) Any experience, other ideas?

   TIA, Luca.=20




From tim@freepm.org  Mon May 28 11:49:48 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 05:49:48 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zope and SSL
References: <001201c0e5fd$aaf76340$6901a8c0@EM2>
 <001c01c0e607$5d8f3600$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
 <20010527125220.B457@madcap.dyndns.org> <vglmnh3l50.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
Message-ID: <3B122D4C.BF1BD23D@iswt.com>

Alastair Burt wrote:

> In the README to the ZSSL version of 2001-02-01, I found the following:
> 
>   Beware browsers with broken HTTP/1.1 - they drive ZServerSSL to 100%
>   CPU utilisation: An example is Netscape Communicator 4.72 on my
>   FreeBSD boxen.
> 
> Is this still an issue?

I also read that and wondered the same. The curious part is 'How
is it broken'?  On SourceForge my Netscape 4.72 works fine in SSL
and they claim that IE is broken but Netscape will work fine.   

http://sourceforge.net/account/login.php for reference.


-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be  Mon May 28 11:57:20 2001
From: Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:57:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts
References: <046001c0e75a$03dad5c0$8271a8c0@uz.kuleuven.ac.be> <013d01c0e75f$1b284ff0$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <048b01c0e764$f867ec40$8271a8c0@uz.kuleuven.ac.be>

euhm, nothing...

if I look back on the script I tried out I had written hassattr ....
Urgh, typos, why do they exist?

Anyway, thanks for the response!

Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Python Scripts


> What was wrong with
> if hasattr(context,'coffeebreak'):
>     print "have coffee"
> ?
>
> This is almost the equivalent of DTML's
> <dtml-if coffeebreak>
>
> Assuming your completely skip the REQUEST object out there.
>
> It doesn't have to be 'context' like above or 'self' in External Method.
> You can even do this one any Zope object.
> if has(context.folder['document.html'], 'coffeebreak'):
>   print "had coffee"
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:38 AM
> Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > How can we in the python script check if the a certain variable exists
in
> > the namespace?
> >
> > ie. We can get the value of a variable by using context.myvar or
> > context['myvar'], but both will return an error when the myvar doesn't
> > exists. Now, how can you check if it exists?
> >
> > I tried several things, like context.hasattr('myvar') or
> > context.has_key('myvar') , _hasattr(), _.hasattr() ... etc, but none
seem
> to
> > work. Can somebody tell me if it even is possible? Thanks.
> >
> > Tom.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
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>



From linux@billabong.demon.co.uk  Mon May 28 12:42:22 2001
From: linux@billabong.demon.co.uk (John Warburton)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:42:22 +0000
Subject: [Zope] Cannot get to management screens! (stuck in view page)
References: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC7B7@terraserver>
Message-ID: <3B12399E.5060002@billabong.demon.co.uk>

I am seeing this problem in Mozilla latest CVS version too.

John
--
http://johnwarburton.net/



From rboulanger@eunet.at  Mon May 28 12:45:27 2001
From: rboulanger@eunet.at (Robert Boulanger)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:45:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
Message-ID: <3B123A57.7000000@eunet.at>

> Boa isn't much of a Windowing Toolkit for Zope.
> Yes, it opens Zope objects. But so does emacs and Homesite ( and they both
> do it right ).

Wait until the end of this week, CVS will be updated then. Then you will 
find more Zope Support then as you can find in the most other Tools.

> 
> BOA needs work. The most annoying thing is that I can't type 
> characters that
> required the fingering of the [Alt Gr] button!
> Learn from this americans and britons! Test your software on obscure
> international keyboards.

Look into preferences.py. There you find a setting for European Keyboard 
Support. Set it to 1 and Alt Gr works.
This feature was included in Nov 2000.

robert boulanger



From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 28 13:04:07 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:04:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other
In-Reply-To: <01052808153600.01448@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <01052808153600.01448@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <15898271.991058646@BUZZER>

Hi Gitte,

how about Date1 - Date2 ? :)

Of course they must be DateTime instances, not strings.

Regards
Tino

--On Montag, 28. Mai 2001 08:15 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I need to subtract to dates from each other.
> I have searched the archives but haven't found anything useful.
> Hope someone here could help me.
>
> Regards,
> --
> ************************
> Gitte Wange Jensen
>
> System Squid Developer
> MMManager Aps
> +45 29 72 79 72
>
> gitte@mmmanager.org
> ************************
>
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From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 28 13:14:05 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:14:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Difference between zope and apache
In-Reply-To: <20010528090119.A14487@ii.uib.no>
References: <20010528090119.A14487@ii.uib.no>
Message-ID: <16497046.991059245@BUZZER>

Hi Jan-Frode,

comparing Apache with Zope is like comparing apples with
oranges ;)

Although some objects in Zope are called "Folder" and some
"Documents" or even "Files" these are all objects.

if you use the URL /a/b/c    you traverse a path to
object c as subobject of b which is in turn subobject
of a.

If an object is called, its method index_html (by convention)
is normally invoked.

This method can (like all others) be acquired down the path,
meaning, if you have one index_html as method of the root
Folder object, you have it virtually on any sub-folder object
unless you create a new one there which is like "overloading"
a method. (see documentation on OOP)

Anyway, /a/b/c is equal to /a/b/c/ in Zope.
Unlike apache it does not have to redirect (which can be turned
of on apache too)

Just link to /a/b/c/ if it bothers you.

You might want to use <link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href="<dtml-var 
my.css url>">

To always get the right URL.

Regards
Tino

--On Montag, 28. Mai 2001 09:01 +0200 Jan-Frode Myklebust 
<janfrode@parallab.uib.no> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I've just noticed an annoying difference in the handling of directories
> in zope. If I create an directory /myDirectory, put an index_html file
> there, and a my.css file the index_html should use in the same directory
> refering to it with <link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href="my.css"> in
> the head of my document I get a structure that would work perfectly fine
> in apache, but not in zope.
>
> /myDirectory
> /myDirectory/index_html
> /myDirectory/my.css
>
> Accessing http://example.com/myDirectory in zope would give me the
> files http://example.com/myDirectory/index_html and
> http://example.com/my.css
>
> In apache the server would return a location header like:
>
> 	Location: http://example.com/myDirectory/
>
> and then my browser would know it should ask for
> http://example.com/myDirectory/my.css
>
> Zope doesn't seem to set the location header, so asking for
>
> 	http://example.com/myDirectory/
> 	http://example.com/myDirectory
>
> returns different results if the index_html contains relative URLs
> below /myDirectory/.
>
> Bug or feature?
>
>
>   -jf
>
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From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon May 28 13:12:26 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:12:26 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other
In-Reply-To: <15898271.991058646@BUZZER>
References: <01052808153600.01448@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <15898271.991058646@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <01052814122600.05529@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Monday 28 May 2001 14:04, you wrote:
> Hi Gitte,
>
> how about Date1 - Date2 ? :)
>
> Of course they must be DateTime instances, not strings.
>
> Regards
> Tino
>

That doesn't work ..
Well it subtracts something .... but the result is very weird.
An example:
Date1 = 2001/05/25 20:30:00
Date2 = 2001/05/25 19:00:00

Expected result: 01:30:00
The result  I got: 01:00:00

And changing the dates doesn't change the result ... why ???

Gitte

> --On Montag, 28. Mai 2001 08:15 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org>
>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I need to subtract to dates from each other.
> > I have searched the archives but haven't found anything useful.
> > Hope someone here could help me.
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > ************************
> > Gitte Wange Jensen
> >
> > System Squid Developer
> > MMManager Aps
> > +45 29 72 79 72
> >
> > gitte@mmmanager.org
> > ************************
> >
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From mail@peterbe.com  Mon May 28 13:15:10 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:15:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZSyncer
Message-ID: <001f01c0e773$13ced030$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Can you please tell me _how to use the ZSyncer_.
I don't dare to experiment with it too much in case of serious data loss.

What I want to do is to transmit a bunch of objects over from my localhost
to my public server.
I might also want to do it the other way around, but the problem is that my
localhost is behind a firewall so it doesn't have an address that I can type
into the public server.

It might be obvious, but what am I supposed to write in the Destinations
lines property.

Thanks a lot,
Peter



From maxm@normik.dk  Mon May 28 13:42:30 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:42:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] How do I properly install PIL for Zope under Windows?
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D19@exchange>

I have PIL up and running under Python 2.0 in windows. Now I want to
transfer some code to a Zope product. Therefore I need to install PIL under
Zope 2.3

I havn't been able to find any docs about it. Has anybody got some hints?

regards max M


From mail@peterbe.com  Mon May 28 14:18:44 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:18:44 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other
References: <01052808153600.01448@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <15898271.991058646@BUZZER> <01052814122600.05529@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <004801c0e778$ba9f0790$1c64a8c0@PBN>

What do you really want?

>>> from DateTime import DateTime
>>> date1 = DateTime('2001/05/25 20:30:00')
>>> date2 = DateTime('2001/05/25 19:00:00')
>>> res = date1 - date2
>>> type(res)
<type 'float'>
>>> hours = res*24
>>> type(hours)
<type 'float'>
>>>  print hours
1.5

Do you want to calculate how many hours there are between two dates? Or how
many days (like 'res' above)?
If your result is unchanging even though you change the dates, could it be
because you're doing some int() roundoff or something so that you loose the
accuracy in the hours; like this:
>>> print int(res*24)
1

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte@mmmanager.org>
To: "Tino Wildenhain" <tino@wildenhain.de>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other


> On Monday 28 May 2001 14:04, you wrote:
> > Hi Gitte,
> >
> > how about Date1 - Date2 ? :)
> >
> > Of course they must be DateTime instances, not strings.
> >
> > Regards
> > Tino
> >
>
> That doesn't work ..
> Well it subtracts something .... but the result is very weird.
> An example:
> Date1 = 2001/05/25 20:30:00
> Date2 = 2001/05/25 19:00:00
>
> Expected result: 01:30:00
> The result  I got: 01:00:00
>
> And changing the dates doesn't change the result ... why ???
>
> Gitte
>
> > --On Montag, 28. Mai 2001 08:15 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I need to subtract to dates from each other.
> > > I have searched the archives but haven't found anything useful.
> > > Hope someone here could help me.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > --
> > > ************************
> > > Gitte Wange Jensen
> > >
> > > System Squid Developer
> > > MMManager Aps
> > > +45 29 72 79 72
> > >
> > > gitte@mmmanager.org
> > > ************************
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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>
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From gitte@mmmanager.org  Mon May 28 14:16:11 2001
From: gitte@mmmanager.org (Gitte Wange)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:16:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other
In-Reply-To: <004801c0e778$ba9f0790$1c64a8c0@PBN>
References: <01052808153600.01448@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <01052814122600.05529@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <004801c0e778$ba9f0790$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <01052815161102.05529@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>

On Monday 28 May 2001 15:18, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> What do you really want?
>
> >>> from DateTime import DateTime
> >>> date1 = DateTime('2001/05/25 20:30:00')
> >>> date2 = DateTime('2001/05/25 19:00:00')
> >>> res = date1 - date2
> >>> type(res)
>
> <type 'float'>
>
> >>> hours = res*24
> >>> type(hours)
>
> <type 'float'>
>
> >>>  print hours
>
> 1.5
>
> Do you want to calculate how many hours there are between two dates? Or how
> many days (like 'res' above)?
> If your result is unchanging even though you change the dates, could it be
> because you're doing some int() roundoff or something so that you loose the
>
> accuracy in the hours; like this:
> >>> print int(res*24)
>
> 1
>
> Peter

I want to know EXTACTLY how long time (in hours, minutes, seconds) there is 
between Date1 and Date2 ...

Anyone ???

Gitte

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> To: "Tino Wildenhain" <tino@wildenhain.de>
> Cc: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other
>
> > On Monday 28 May 2001 14:04, you wrote:
> > > Hi Gitte,
> > >
> > > how about Date1 - Date2 ? :)
> > >
> > > Of course they must be DateTime instances, not strings.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Tino
> >
> > That doesn't work ..
> > Well it subtracts something .... but the result is very weird.
> > An example:
> > Date1 = 2001/05/25 20:30:00
> > Date2 = 2001/05/25 19:00:00
> >
> > Expected result: 01:30:00
> > The result  I got: 01:00:00
> >
> > And changing the dates doesn't change the result ... why ???
> >
> > Gitte
> >
> > > --On Montag, 28. Mai 2001 08:15 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I need to subtract to dates from each other.
> > > > I have searched the archives but haven't found anything useful.
> > > > Hope someone here could help me.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > --
> > > > ************************
> > > > Gitte Wange Jensen
> > > >
> > > > System Squid Developer
> > > > MMManager Aps
> > > > +45 29 72 79 72
> > > >
> > > > gitte@mmmanager.org
> > > > ************************
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> >
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From lehmann@catworkx.de  Mon May 28 14:57:27 2001
From: lehmann@catworkx.de (Holger Lehmann)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:57:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] How do I properly install PIL for Zope under Windows?
In-Reply-To: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D19@exchange>
References: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D19@exchange>
Message-ID: <01052815572703.00547@cat-pc-holle>

Am Montag, 28. Mai 2001 14:42 schrieb Max M=F8ller Rasmussen:
> I have PIL up and running under Python 2.0 in windows. Now I want to
> transfer some code to a Zope product. Therefore I need to install PIL u=
nder
> Zope 2.3

There ought to be a windows 32-bit precompiled distribution around somewh=
ere.
Try google's search with:
pil win32 binary

- Holger

>
> I havn't been able to find any docs about it. Has anybody got some hint=
s?
>
> regards max M
>
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From maxm@normik.dk  Mon May 28 15:07:39 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:07:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] How do I properly install PIL for Zope under Windows?
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D1C@exchange>

> From: Holger Lehmann [mailto:lehmann@catworkx.de]

> There ought to be a windows 32-bit precompiled distribution 
> around somewhere.
> Try google's search with:
> pil win32 binary

I allready have it installed and compiled under regular Python 2.0, and I
also used it under 1.5.2, but I cannot seem to figure out where to put the
right stuff under Zope, as the directory structure is completely different.
I have tried all possible ways that I can think but to no avail.

regards Max M


From mail@peterbe.com  Mon May 28 15:17:21 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:17:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZPT] ZPT advocacy
References: <01052814032801.02176@bluelinux>
Message-ID: <007801c0e781$b3e91bd0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Feedback on http://www.zope.org/Members/vallen2/

It was easy to read because you shine of enthusiasm and optimism. That's
good, and this is the kind of text you want to send when you send propaganda
to a prospective client.

But it's easier for me to complain so I'll do that.
It's alot of "me" and "I". That's alright, but is the article about you or
Zope as a basis product for a developing Buiness plan?

Your conclusion in the begining of the text summorizes: "Zope is all about a
framework
for rapid Web-application creation and maintenance."
The work "rapid" weights heavly in that sentence. Maybe you should get back
to that later in detail.
It is the same conclusion I use a lot when I'm describing Zope.
I say "Using Zope, you'll get more for your money because everything is so
prepared for you. If you know what you want, you can save money by using
Zope"

"Rapid creation and maintenence" also means "less bucks"; but maybe we
should leave the conclusion about what "rapid" means to people who apply it.

One thing that I thing you should mention more about content management
systems and so on is that when you install Zope you get ACLUsers, Lots of
permissions, Basic Authentication (well tested),
encompassed-management-view-per-permissions and options to fully customize
and control login (LDAP, MySQL UserFolder, NT Userfolder etc)
These are things that are taken for granted in Zope. And in the ASP/JSP/PHP
world systems that "approach" the security whole of Zope cost thousands of
pounds for companies.
I've seen new media agencies build impressive content management systems for
wellpaying large companies, but when I look at their content management
system I think that they can be built in zope in 30 minutes by mastering the
www.zope.org/Products page.

Business is a lot about money. And this is one of Zope's strongest
strengths, by just like you're saying being rapid. More on that please.

Nothing more for moment.

Well done.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andreas Vallen" <vallen@gmx.net>
To: <zpt@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:03 PM
Subject: [ZPT] ZPT advocacy


> Hi,
>
> I've recently had an exchange with Peter Bengtsson about
> his nice ZPT/DTML - comparison page.
>
> Now he alerted me to the existence of a ZPT-mailing list and
> here I am.
> [Notice to evan: please mention the list under
> http://www.zope.org/Resources/MailingLists as that's where
> I and probably others have looked].
>
> I would like to draw your attention to that
> kind of business plan (pamphlet?) I hacked last night.
> While its premier aim is finding a way to do a business
> based on Zope, it contains some amount of ZPT-advocacy
> as well.
>
> And ZPT can use any support it can muster. So here's
> the relevant part. Head over to
> http://www.zope.org/Members/vallen2/ for the whole
> thing. If anyone thinks he can use it for propaganda ;-) do!
>
> see you,
> Andreas
>
>
> ---- start of excerpt
>
> ...
> (2) The second major problem we have is the separation of content, logic
and
> presentation.
>
> "Long before solved" one should think regarding the wealth of supposedly
> "Model-View-Controller" patterns in the application server domain: ASP,
PHP,
> JSP and DTML.
>
> Not true! Most of you will know it: Above mentioned templating mechanisms
> while better than Perl-cgiing at their time of birth have introduced their
> own plethora of problems. In fact it were the same old ones: Logic inside
> presentation.
> While it is impossible to edit a cgi-script with a WYSIWYG-editor editing
> these templates is not a pleasant experience either - if at all possible.
> I as a Java-devotee have of course taken delight in JSP - until I used it
too
> much. I have not coded in the other above mentioned templating languages
(not
> even DTML), but I know for sure that the result is the same:
>
> They leave a hell of a mess.
>
> But good we have DC. Apart of creating our platform, one of the advantages
of
> having a commercial "mother" as an open-source community is that they
often
> better sense the shortcomings of the platform regarding its use by people
not
> being fluent in all the languages of choice at any given moment (e.g.
DTML).
>
> And I assume that no designer wants to see or even learn
> "dtmlmethod(_.None,_)". God - not even I want to see something like this.
But
> I think I have to: I'm a coder.
> So what did DC do?
>
> Short: they created the ultimate weapon. The solution. The thing that made
me
> think my business idea is feasible, no: damned to success:Page Templates
>
> I'm not in a mood to explain them. Just go to the ZPT site. Simply know
that
> they are a groundbreaking mechanism to separate logic, content and
> presentation in such a way that page-designers can reliably edit their
> dynamic pages inside any WYSIWYG-editor without having any problems.
>
> Contrast this to any(!) other of the established templating mechanisms
which
> will make these editors terribly confused and unusable, what is quite sure
> your fate if you don't happen to speak the language of the tools' company
> (Microsoft: ASP!, even Macromedia may cease support for anything but CFML
> from Allaire Coldfusion (whom they bought) and JSP: Think about choice Mr.
> IT-manager! No one got ever fired for choosing choice! ;-) )
>
> In some way the content<->logic separation is even better accomplished by
> XMLC (a separation mechanism employed by the java application server
> "Enhydra"), which ZPT was inspired by, but enhydra XMLC lacks other
crucial
> features which in my opinion second it.
>
> I try to advertise ZPT because I feel many seasoned developers shun this
new
> technology. Even DC seems to be afraid of saying DTMLers: "Stop coding
DTML.
> There's something new in town and it is vastly superior!" Understandable -
> given the fact that zopistas like too hack and ZPT superficially (ok ...
> really - but only a bit) seems to have less expressiveness.
>
> But that's the same the new Python Scripts are also all about: Stop
enmeshing
> logic and content!
> The results are more but rewarding and as I said enabling my business -
> because they tackle our second problem: separating the logic from the
content.
> ...
>
> --- end of excerpt
>
> _______________________________________________
> ZPT mailing list
> ZPT@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zpt



From joe@iuveno-net.de  Mon May 28 15:48:17 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:48:17 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Is it just us, or is Zope.org down?
Message-ID: <005801c0e785$3b6deba0$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

Right now, a ping works, but no http ...

Joachim



From mail@peterbe.com  Mon May 28 15:34:25 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:34:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other
References: <01052808153600.01448@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <01052814122600.05529@squidbitch.mmmanager.org> <004801c0e778$ba9f0790$1c64a8c0@PBN> <01052815161102.05529@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <009801c0e785$e7c11030$1c64a8c0@PBN>

The you can easyly find out the number of hours, days and seconds there are
between two dates (like I showed you below). The only tricky thing is to
make it back to a datetime.
date1 = DateTime('2001/05/25 20:30:00')
date2 = DateTime('2001/05/25 19:00:00')
days  = (date1 - date2)
hours = (days)*24
minutes = (hours)*60
seconds = (minutes)*60
weeks = (days)/7

Aren't these variables enough?
Do you want to create a valid DateTime object "back" from these
calculations?
To do that you need to use a reference date. Like today or date1 or
something.
More help?

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte@mmmanager.org>
To: "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com>; "Tino Wildenhain"
<tino@wildenhain.de>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other


> On Monday 28 May 2001 15:18, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> > What do you really want?
> >
> > >>> from DateTime import DateTime
> > >>> date1 = DateTime('2001/05/25 20:30:00')
> > >>> date2 = DateTime('2001/05/25 19:00:00')
> > >>> res = date1 - date2
> > >>> type(res)
> >
> > <type 'float'>
> >
> > >>> hours = res*24
> > >>> type(hours)
> >
> > <type 'float'>
> >
> > >>>  print hours
> >
> > 1.5
> >
> > Do you want to calculate how many hours there are between two dates? Or
how
> > many days (like 'res' above)?
> > If your result is unchanging even though you change the dates, could it
be
> > because you're doing some int() roundoff or something so that you loose
the
> >
> > accuracy in the hours; like this:
> > >>> print int(res*24)
> >
> > 1
> >
> > Peter
>
> I want to know EXTACTLY how long time (in hours, minutes, seconds) there
is
> between Date1 and Date2 ...
>
> Anyone ???
>
> Gitte
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte@mmmanager.org>
> > To: "Tino Wildenhain" <tino@wildenhain.de>
> > Cc: <zope@zope.org>
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other
> >
> > > On Monday 28 May 2001 14:04, you wrote:
> > > > Hi Gitte,
> > > >
> > > > how about Date1 - Date2 ? :)
> > > >
> > > > Of course they must be DateTime instances, not strings.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Tino
> > >
> > > That doesn't work ..
> > > Well it subtracts something .... but the result is very weird.
> > > An example:
> > > Date1 = 2001/05/25 20:30:00
> > > Date2 = 2001/05/25 19:00:00
> > >
> > > Expected result: 01:30:00
> > > The result  I got: 01:00:00
> > >
> > > And changing the dates doesn't change the result ... why ???
> > >
> > > Gitte
> > >
> > > > --On Montag, 28. Mai 2001 08:15 +0200 Gitte Wange
<gitte@mmmanager.org>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > I need to subtract to dates from each other.
> > > > > I have searched the archives but haven't found anything useful.
> > > > > Hope someone here could help me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > --
> > > > > ************************
> > > > > Gitte Wange Jensen
> > > > >
> > > > > System Squid Developer
> > > > > MMManager Aps
> > > > > +45 29 72 79 72
> > > > >
> > > > > gitte@mmmanager.org
> > > > > ************************
> > > > >
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From luke@seeto.com  Mon May 28 15:51:24 2001
From: luke@seeto.com (Luke Tymowski)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:51:24 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Is it just us, or is Zope.org down?
In-Reply-To: <005801c0e785$3b6deba0$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>; from joe@iuveno-net.de on Mon, May 28, 2001 at 10:48:17AM -0400
References: <005801c0e785$3b6deba0$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
Message-ID: <20010528105124.A21779@seeto.com>

hello,

> Right now, a ping works, but no http ...

same here. it has been down for a while.
it's a holiday weekend in the USA (Memorial Day) ... :(

luke



From tseaver@palladion.com  Mon May 28 15:31:58 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:31:58 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Error importing STX.zexp
Message-ID: <3B12615E.9020109@palladion.com>

Luca Manini <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it> wrote:


> I've got an error (see below) while importing
> 
> 	STX_Document-1.2.zexp
> 
> taken at
> 
> http://www.zope.org/Members/tseaver/STX_Document/STX_Document-1.2.zexp/view
> 
> What's the problem???


See below.


> I usually rename export files before importing (ex: STX.zexp),=20
> is that allowed?


Yes.


> By the way, while not putting a friendly OpenDialog=20
> in the import (export) form :-)


  * The only way to get that feature would be to use an
    '<input type="file" ...>' tag, which would cause the browser
    to actually upload the file.

  * Imports can *only* take place from the 'import' subdirectory
    of your Zope installation (actually, from either your INSTANCE_HOME
    or your SOFTWARE_HOME);  they are specifically disallowed via
    browser upload, due to the security risk such uploads expose.

  * The widget prepends a directory path to the filename, which isn't
    wanted.


> The object STX_Document does not support this operation =20


The object you are importing is a Product, and can only be imported
into the '/Control_Panel/Products' container.  I just now successfully
imported it into a scratch 2.3.2 Zope.

Hope this helps,

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From ngps@post1.com  Mon May 28 15:47:17 2001
From: ngps@post1.com (Ng Pheng Siong)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:47:17 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Zope and SSL
In-Reply-To: <vglmnh3l50.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>; from burt@dfki.de on Mon, May 28, 2001 at 10:58:35AM +0200
References: <001201c0e5fd$aaf76340$6901a8c0@EM2> <001c01c0e607$5d8f3600$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de> <20010527125220.B457@madcap.dyndns.org> <vglmnh3l50.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
Message-ID: <20010528224717.H683@madcap.dyndns.org>

On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 10:58:35AM +0200, Alastair Burt wrote:
> In the README to the ZSSL version of 2001-02-01, I found the following:
>  
>   Beware browsers with broken HTTP/1.1 - they drive ZServerSSL to 100%
>   CPU utilisation: An example is Netscape Communicator 4.72 on my
>   FreeBSD boxen.
> 
> Is this still an issue?

AFAIK, no longer. I posted a fix soon after the above version was 
released.

The fix was on my website but disappeared after my recent website
reorg. Sorry.

-- 
Ng Pheng Siong <ngps@post1.com> * http://www.post1.com/home/ngps

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.


From ngps@post1.com  Mon May 28 15:52:50 2001
From: ngps@post1.com (Ng Pheng Siong)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:52:50 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Zope and SSL
In-Reply-To: <3B122D4C.BF1BD23D@iswt.com>; from twcook@iswt.com on Mon, May 28, 2001 at 05:49:48AM -0500
References: <001201c0e5fd$aaf76340$6901a8c0@EM2> <001c01c0e607$5d8f3600$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de> <20010527125220.B457@madcap.dyndns.org> <vglmnh3l50.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de> <3B122D4C.BF1BD23D@iswt.com>
Message-ID: <20010528225250.I683@madcap.dyndns.org>

On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 05:49:48AM -0500, Tim Cook wrote:
> I also read that and wondered the same. The curious part is 'How
> is it broken'?  On SourceForge my Netscape 4.72 works fine in SSL
> and they claim that IE is broken but Netscape will work fine.   

Possibly I misspoke in the README - the bug that caused the CPU to
spin was equally likely to have been in ZServer's HTTP/1.1 support,
instead of the browser's.

Anyways, the problem appears to have been fixed.

BTW I just had a silly typo affecting WebDAV-source-port-over-https in 
the latest z2s.py pointed out to me. Argh!

-- 
Ng Pheng Siong <ngps@post1.com> * http://www.post1.com/home/ngps

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.


From Maarten Slaets <maarten.slaets@neolabs.be>  Mon May 28 16:10:23 2001
From: Maarten Slaets <maarten.slaets@neolabs.be> (Maarten Slaets)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:10:23 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZSyncer
Message-ID: <200105281510.f4SFANF13892@neo1.neolabs.be>

> Can you please tell me _how to use the ZSyncer_.

just install the zsyncer product on both servers, then add a zsyncer
instance to each server. 
For example put a zsyncer object called 'Zsyncer' in the site root:

/Zsyncer

then on your local machine edit the Zsyncer instance and enter as
destination: *remotehost*/Zsyncer
then click Sync tab and you can _manually_ choose what todo. so you
wont do anything wrong just by clicking the Sync tab.

Its very well explained in the inline help.

Cheers
Maarten

NEOlabs - http://www.neolabs.be - mailto:info@neolabs.be


From rpinder@usc.edu  Mon May 28 16:17:00 2001
From: rpinder@usc.edu (Rich Pinder)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:17:00 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zope.org - uptime
Message-ID: <3B126BEC.46FDDE1A@usc.edu>

Are there any stats on the 'uptime' of the   zope.org  site ?
thanks
rich



From tino@wildenhain.de  Mon May 28 16:18:27 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:18:27 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other
In-Reply-To: <01052815161102.05529@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
References: <01052815161102.05529@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <27558551.991070307@BUZZER>

Hi Gitte,

--On Montag, 28. Mai 2001 15:16 +0200 Gitte Wange <gitte@mmmanager.org> 
wrote:

> On Monday 28 May 2001 15:18, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
>> What do you really want?
>>
>> >>> from DateTime import DateTime
>> >>> date1 = DateTime('2001/05/25 20:30:00')
>> >>> date2 = DateTime('2001/05/25 19:00:00')
>> >>> res = date1 - date2
>> >>> type(res)
>>
>> <type 'float'>
>>
>> >>> hours = res*24
>> >>> type(hours)
>>
>> <type 'float'>
>>
>> >>>  print hours
>>
>> 1.5
>>
>> Do you want to calculate how many hours there are between two dates? Or
>> how many days (like 'res' above)?
>> If your result is unchanging even though you change the dates, could it
>> be because you're doing some int() roundoff or something so that you
>> loose the
>>
>> accuracy in the hours; like this:
>> >>> print int(res*24)
>>
>> 1
>>
>> Peter
>
> I want to know EXTACTLY how long time (in hours, minutes, seconds) there
> is  between Date1 and Date2 ...
>
> Anyone ???

I've checked it and Peter is right, the difference between two
DateTime objects is given in float. (meaning the days)

So all you need is a little math ;-)

d=Date1-Date2

hours=int(d*24.0) % 24
minutes=int(d*24.0*60.0) % 60
seconds=int(d*24.0*60.0*60.0) % 60

Regards
Tino





From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Mon May 28 16:25:50 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 19:25:50 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Zope.org - uptime
In-Reply-To: <3B126BEC.46FDDE1A@usc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105281925370.29875-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Mon, 28 May 2001, Rich Pinder wrote:
> Are there any stats on the 'uptime' of the   zope.org  site ?

   http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?mode_u=off&mode_w=on&site=www.zope.org

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From mindlace@imeme.net  Mon May 28 16:33:53 2001
From: mindlace@imeme.net (emf)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:33:53 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zope.org down
Message-ID: <40390000.991064033@orlog>

The storage server has crashed, we believe due to hardware failure. We're 
working to bring it back up.

Thanks for your patience,
--
emf
"something witty"
mindlace@imeme.net


From mindlace@imeme.net  Mon May 28 16:34:09 2001
From: mindlace@imeme.net (emf)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:34:09 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zope.org down
Message-ID: <47290000.991064049@orlog>

The storage server has crashed, we believe due to hardware failure. We're 
working to bring it back up.

Thanks for your patience,
--
emf
"something witty"
mindlace@imeme.net


From etiennel@geospace.co.za  Mon May 28 16:41:19 2001
From: etiennel@geospace.co.za (Etienne Labuschagne)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:41:19 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Cannot get to management screens! (stuck in view page)
Message-ID: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC7BE@terraserver>

I wonder what is causing it and if it really is a problem of the browsers
and not maybe something in Zope that was previously "tolerated" but now
causes errors.  I really hope this will be resolved because, even though I
am not a great Microsoft fan (I use StarOffice eg.), I think Netscape (on
Windows anyway) has much more problems than IE.  Whenever I use save (saving
DTML source code etc.) Netscape takes an age before the next page is loaded,
all the while Nuking my processor.  I don't know if NS6 is better, but I
hear it is VERY buggy.

Etienne

-----Original Message-----
From: John Warburton [mailto:linux@billabong.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 1:42 PM
To: zope
Subject: Re: [Zope] Cannot get to management screens! (stuck in view
page)


I am seeing this problem in Mozilla latest CVS version too.

John
--
http://johnwarburton.net/


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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Mon May 28 16:52:21 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 19:52:21 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Cannot get to management screens! (stuck in view page)
In-Reply-To: <6CBE5E8F222DCA4C910079182C5C93E48DC7BE@terraserver>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105281951260.29875-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Mon, 28 May 2001, Etienne  Labuschagne wrote:
> I wonder what is causing it and if it really is a problem of the browsers
> and not maybe something in Zope that was previously "tolerated" but now

   This is easy to check - save the HTML and run the HTML file through HTML
validator. For example, validator.w3.org.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 28 09:41:37 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:41:37 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Passing a variable number of parameters to a Pythonscript
References: <B737495F.2E029%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <033c01c0e791$2eede270$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> I know that in DTML, they would be in the REQUEST dictionary... I think in
> python script, that corresponds to context.  So they would be in
> context.param0, or perhaps context['param0']

Agh!!! context!=REQUEST!!!

context and container are just ordinary objects. You can get hold of REQUEST
through Acquisition as follows:

REQUEST = context.REQUEST.

cheers,

Chris

PS: How come *args and **kw don't work then?




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 28 09:42:43 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:42:43 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other
References: <01052808153600.01448@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <033d01c0e791$361a95c0$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> I need to subtract to dates from each other.
> I have searched the archives but haven't found anything useful.
> Hope someone here could help me.

Turn them into DateTime objects, which I think have a difference method.
Check the DTML Reference in the online help.

cheers,

Chris



From marc@bowery.com  Mon May 28 17:15:32 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:15:32 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Passing a variable number of parameters to a
 Pythonscript
In-Reply-To: <033c01c0e791$2eede270$1d010a0a@Lifebook>
Message-ID: <B737F1E3.2E0BC%marc@bowery.com>

> 
> REQUEST = context.REQUEST.
> 
>
right, my bad!!!!





From mail@peterbe.com  Mon May 28 17:13:21 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 18:13:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Filtered exportObjects
Message-ID: <00fc01c0e791$e2da85e0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

On my site I have quite a lot of Photo's meta_type=['Photo'] and they cause
the zexp file to become very very very big (currently 86 Mb for 180 Photos).
I would like to export my whole site but skip certain paths or meta types.

The best way would be to write a little External Method or Python Script
that calls manage_exportObjects() with a filtered object.

I just need help to create the new copied object.
I tried something like this:
copy_of_self = self.copy.__deepcopy__()
self.manage_exportObjects(filterbymetatypes(copy_of_self, ['Photo']) )

but copy woun't let me do that.

if I had a copy of the object to be specially exported I could...:

def fliterbymetatypes(object, metatypes=[]):
    objects = object.objectValues()
    for obj in objects:
        if obj is isPrincipiaFolderish():
           # go further
           filterbymetatypes(obj, metatypes)
        elif obj.meta_type in meta_types:
            object.manage_delObjects([str(obj.id)])

...or something like that (syntax might be bad, but you get the idea)

Does anybody have a good solution? Or something to give me a better start.

Peter



From burt@dfki.de  Mon May 28 17:23:03 2001
From: burt@dfki.de (Alastair Burt)
Date: 28 May 2001 18:23:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope and SSL
In-Reply-To: <20010528224717.H683@madcap.dyndns.org>
References: <001201c0e5fd$aaf76340$6901a8c0@EM2>
 <001c01c0e607$5d8f3600$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
 <20010527125220.B457@madcap.dyndns.org>
 <vglmnh3l50.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
 <20010528224717.H683@madcap.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <vgd78t30k8.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>

Ng Pheng Siong <ngps@post1.com> writes:

> On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 10:58:35AM +0200, Alastair Burt wrote:
> > In the README to the ZSSL version of 2001-02-01, I found the following:
> >  
> >   Beware browsers with broken HTTP/1.1 - they drive ZServerSSL to 100%
> >   CPU utilisation: An example is Netscape Communicator 4.72 on my
> >   FreeBSD boxen.
> > 
> > Is this still an issue?
> 
> AFAIK, no longer. I posted a fix soon after the above version was 
> released.

Good to hear.

> The fix was on my website but disappeared after my recent website
> reorg. 

But the later versions have the fix incorporated?

--- Alastair



From sitongia@qwest.net  Mon May 28 17:28:58 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:28:58 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKICEFOEMAA.tom@cameron.to>
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKICEFOEMAA.tom@cameron.to>
Message-ID: <01052810285801.00407@odo>

My lastest efforts:

I dropped the Zope 2.2.2 port, and built 2.3.2 from sources, using
w_pcgi.py.  (Point of confusion: Quick Start describes using this
one, but it's the approach for using an existing server, however
it starts up Zserver on port 8080, and Apache is on port 80
of course.  Later, the INSTALL.txt describes using wo_pcgi.py
to install using Zserver, which still appears to start up the
same way.  So, what's the difference and how does Apache
get involved?...).

I couldn't get the super manager authentication to work, and
tried various configurations, CLEARTEXT, SHA and CRYPT.

So, I rebuilt it with wo_pcgi.py.

The username/password that the install created didn't work,
but when I recreated the password, using CRYPT (as the
install did), it now works.

So, FreeBSD port for Python 1.5.2 + Zope src 2.3.2 +
wo_pcgi.py + recreate the password with 

python zpasswd.py -u admin -p (password) -e CRYPT access

gives a running Zserver Zope.

==Leonard


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Mon May 28 17:35:40 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:35:40 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <01052810285801.00407@odo>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105282034140.29875-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Mon, 28 May 2001, Leonard Sitongia wrote:
> I dropped the Zope 2.2.2 port, and built 2.3.2 from sources, using
> w_pcgi.py.  (Point of confusion: Quick Start describes using this
> one, but it's the approach for using an existing server, however
> it starts up Zserver on port 8080, and Apache is on port 80
> of course.  Later, the INSTALL.txt describes using wo_pcgi.py
> to install using Zserver, which still appears to start up the
> same way.  So, what's the difference and how does Apache
> get involved?...).

   wo_pcgi = "without PCGI", where PCGI is PersistenCGI protocol, supported
by Zope.cgi (see below) and mod_pcgi2 Apache module.

   w_pcgi = "with PCGI", this includes "wo_pcgi" and also builds Zope.cgi.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From milos.prudek@worldonline.cz  Mon May 28 18:15:13 2001
From: milos.prudek@worldonline.cz (Milos Prudek)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 19:15:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] newbie: add Frontpage & Word files
Message-ID: <3B1287A1.62A37686@worldonline.cz>

Hi,

What is the best way to allow users add FrontPage documents (strip away
html head and body tags)? Is there a product to do it, or do I have to
write it in Python?

And the same question for Word files, including pictures AND non-english
characters?

--
Milos Prudek


From jimbo@tacomaplace.com  Mon May 28 18:54:10 2001
From: jimbo@tacomaplace.com (jimbo)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:54:10 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZSyncer
Message-ID: <200105281054.AA1977155904@tacomaplace.com>

Hi, I'm using it on win32.  It seems that I still have to install file based products on the remote machines. ie the CMF and others.
Nice product.
Thanks,
-Jimbo


From andym@ActiveState.com  Mon May 28 18:40:34 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:40:34 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZSyncer
References: <200105281054.AA1977155904@tacomaplace.com>
Message-ID: <047f01c0e79d$4d8e7f80$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Absolutely, ZSyncer only moves the actual Zope objects. Things like the
products etc have to be installed on both Zopes. This gets confusing with
External Methods where the ZODB part can be moved, but the code part cant.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "jimbo" <jimbo@tacomaplace.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 10:54 AM
Subject: [Zope] ZSyncer


> Hi, I'm using it on win32.  It seems that I still have to install file
based products on the remote machines. ie the CMF and others.
> Nice product.
> Thanks,
> -Jimbo
>
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From cpr@emsoftware.com  Mon May 28 19:09:37 2001
From: cpr@emsoftware.com (Chris Ryland)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:09:37 -0400
Subject: [Zope] /standard_error_message
Message-ID: <022b01c0e7a1$6d744060$6901a8c0@EM2>

There's something very funny going on with the stock Zope 2.3.0
/standard_error_message method.

It seems to be recursively reproduced by some outside, non-obvious code
that's calling it, but only after first outputting its own error message.
(I.e., my standard_html_header and _footer are by no means the first nor
last thing in the output.)

If I change it to do what I think would help, it just gets worse.

Can someone clear this up? It looks like black magic to this Zope neophyte.
--
Cheers!
Chris Ryland
Em Software, Inc.
www.emsoftware.com




From milos.prudek@worldonline.cz  Mon May 28 19:48:32 2001
From: milos.prudek@worldonline.cz (Milos Prudek)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:48:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] newbie: add Frontpage & Word files
Message-ID: <3B129D80.D3182B36@worldonline.cz>

I need to clarify:

What is the best way to convert Word documents to plain HTML, including
pictures and non-english characters?

What is the best way to convert FrontPage documents (strip away html
head and body tags, JavaScript, frames etc. so that it can be safely
included as HTML snippet)?

 Is there a product to do it, or do I have to write it in Python?

--
Milos Prudek


From vekn@msn.com  Mon May 28 20:10:40 2001
From: vekn@msn.com (Eric Roby)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:10:40 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZClass 'UNSLICEABLE OBJECT' Error Value
Message-ID: <OE48yfogkJXrRjbDt3H000170d1@hotmail.com>

I am trying to create specialized document classes that have unique
propertysheets, methods,  are CatalogAware and renderable via <dtml-var
...>.  I have been able to successfully build a structured-text document
class that meets these criteria, however, I am unable to build an HTML
document class.  If I try to use OFS:DTMLDocument or OFS:DTMLMethod as my
base class,  the ZInstance attempt throws a TypeError with a value of
'unsliceable object'.  I have tried many variations on this theme and none
were successful.  I thought I had a handle on ZClasses but I am obviously
missing something major.  Note: not that this has anything to do with the
above, but I can subclass OFS:File and OFS:Image with no problem.  I am
using Zope version 2.3.1 on a Win2K platform.

Any hints, insight, direction, further-reading links would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks in advance...

Eric


From alet@unice.fr  Mon May 28 20:16:02 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:16:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Filtered exportObjects
In-Reply-To: <00fc01c0e791$e2da85e0$1c64a8c0@PBN>; from mail@peterbe.com on Mon, May 28, 2001 at 06:13:21PM +0200
References: <00fc01c0e791$e2da85e0$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <20010528211602.A531@nordine.ateur>

On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 06:13:21PM +0200, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> On my site I have quite a lot of Photo's meta_type=['Photo'] and they cause
> the zexp file to become very very very big (currently 86 Mb for 180 Photos).
> I would like to export my whole site but skip certain paths or meta types.
> 
> The best way would be to write a little External Method or Python Script
> that calls manage_exportObjects() with a filtered object.
> 
> ...
> Does anybody have a good solution? Or something to give me a better start.

Just use ZShell:

find / --type Photo --exec "export {}"

then all your photos will in in Zope's var directory as .zexp files.

man export
man find 

bye,

PS: The CVS code works fine with such a command, just tell me if 
yours doesn't.

Jerome Alet



From marc@bowery.com  Mon May 28 20:19:54 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:19:54 -0400
Subject: [Zope] newbie: add Frontpage & Word files
In-Reply-To: <3B129D80.D3182B36@worldonline.cz>
Message-ID: <B7381D19.2E0E6%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Milos Prudek <milos.prudek@worldonline.cz>
>
> What is the best way to convert FrontPage documents (strip away html
> head and body tags, JavaScript, frames etc. so that it can be safely
> included as HTML snippet)?

Check out the code in load_site.py (in utilities).



From wilson@visi.com  Mon May 28 20:22:59 2001
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:22:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] newbie: add Frontpage & Word files
In-Reply-To: <3B129D80.D3182B36@worldonline.cz>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105281422001.29185-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Mon, 28 May 2001, Milos Prudek wrote:

> What is the best way to convert Word documents to plain HTML, including
> pictures and non-english characters?

For the Word documents, I recommend the newly released MSWordMunger
available at http://www.zope.org/Members/Kaivo/MSWordMunger

-Tim

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From cbg3@earthlink.net  Mon May 28 20:48:14 2001
From: cbg3@earthlink.net (Ben Gustafson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:48:14 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Passing a string argument by URL to a Z SQL Method
Message-ID: <NCBBIJEIOKODIOJPFPADEEBECKAA.cbg3@earthlink.net>

I'm working on Chapter 10 of the Zope Book (Relational Database
Connectivity), and have had problems passing a string argument by URL to a Z
SQL Method, although I was able to implement the example in the book of
passing an integer argument by URL. My test is as follows:

1) I have a Z SQL Method named list_reqs, located at
http://localhost:8080/Zoo/Employees/Departments:
	Arguments: department_id
	SQL: select * from requisitions
	     where <dtml-sqltest department_id op=eq type=string>

When I test the Method, I get these results:
--
DEPARTMENT ID 	REQ ID 	DESCRIPTION 	UNIT COST	QUANTITY
Sales 		1 		paper clips		10.0 	  	1000
Sales 		2 		golf clubs    	500.0  	10
Sales 		4 		staples        	10.0	   	500

----------------------------------------------------------------
SQL used:

select * from requisitions
where department_id = 'Sales'
--
Under the Advanced tab of the Method, I have the "Allow 'simple' direct
traversal" box checked.

2) I have a DTML Method named reqs, located in the same folder as the
list_reqs Z SQL Method. I call the DTML Method on the Z SQL Method and
attempt to pass it Sales as the department_id using this URL:
http://localhost:8080/Zoo/Employees/Departments/list_reqs/Sales/reqs. When I
do so, I get the following error:

--
Site Error
An error was encountered while publishing this resource.

Debugging Notice

Zope has encountered a problem publishing your object.
Cannot locate object at:
http://localhost:8080/Zoo/Employees/Departments/list_reqs/Sales
--

Is there a reason why Zope won't accept the Sales ID in the URL as an
argument, but instead tries to access it as a folder? The obvious workaround
is to use an integer for the Department ID instead of a varchar, but that
would make the URL less readable. Besides, I want to do it this way!



From markus@johalla.de  Mon May 28 21:13:36 2001
From: markus@johalla.de (Markus Mohr)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:13:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZSyncer
References: <200105281054.AA1977155904@tacomaplace.com> <047f01c0e79d$4d8e7f80$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <3B12B170.C263AEBC@johalla.de>

Hi!

Am I correct that ZSyncer does not work with zope 2.1.6 (as in Debian
stable/potato)?

I get this traceback:

ZSyncer Import Traceback
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line 387, in
import_products
    product=__import__(pname, global_dict, global_dict, silly)
  File "/var/lib/zope/Products/ZSyncer/__init__.py", line 1, in ?
    import ZSyncer
  File "/var/lib/zope/Products/ZSyncer/ZSyncer.py", line 2, in ?
    from Globals import DTMLFile, MessageDialog, Persistent, data_dir
ImportError: cannot import name DTMLFile

ciao
marksu


From andym@ActiveState.com  Mon May 28 21:30:23 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:30:23 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZSyncer
References: <200105281054.AA1977155904@tacomaplace.com> <047f01c0e79d$4d8e7f80$ae03a8c0@activestate.com> <3B12B170.C263AEBC@johalla.de>
Message-ID: <009f01c0e7b5$0663bb30$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

I have never tried it. But yes DTMLFile is part of the 2.3.0 release so it
wont. You could replace all references of DTMLFile with HTMLFile. Id be
interested to know if that works.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Markus Mohr" <markus@johalla.de>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] ZSyncer


> Hi!
>
> Am I correct that ZSyncer does not work with zope 2.1.6 (as in Debian
> stable/potato)?
>
> I get this traceback:
>
> ZSyncer Import Traceback
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line 387, in
> import_products
>     product=__import__(pname, global_dict, global_dict, silly)
>   File "/var/lib/zope/Products/ZSyncer/__init__.py", line 1, in ?
>     import ZSyncer
>   File "/var/lib/zope/Products/ZSyncer/ZSyncer.py", line 2, in ?
>     from Globals import DTMLFile, MessageDialog, Persistent, data_dir
> ImportError: cannot import name DTMLFile
>
> ciao
> marksu
>
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From bill@libc.org  Mon May 28 22:01:07 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 28 May 2001 15:01:07 -0600
Subject: [Zope] RE: Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
In-Reply-To: <004201c0e59a$28974360$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
References: <EMEBLHHNMMONGIHFFHOCOEAFCBAA.caz@tcdi.com>
 <007101c0e2d4$9ee92ec0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
 <990839707.2104.0.camel@locutus>
 <004201c0e59a$28974360$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <991083668.2883.5.camel@locutus>

On 26 May 2001 00:13:02 -0400, Jason Cunliffe wrote:

> > Allegedly, for cross platform COM, there is good progress being made
> > with PyXPCOM, but I have no personal experience to relate.
> 
> Have not looked into it. Sceptical I will live that long ;-) Is this part of
> .NET ?


IIRC, it is a Mozilla thing. Apparently a Corss(X) Platform COM library
they are making/using/something.




From dominique.jouniot@club-internet.fr  Mon May 28 19:01:57 2001
From: dominique.jouniot@club-internet.fr (Dominique Jouniot)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:01:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Problem in multiple selection type attributs
Message-ID: <3B129295.83D62E71@club-internet.fr>

Hello,

I am trying to use the multiple selection type attributs in a Zclass
object definition. I want to use a method who return a list and accept
arguments. The method is sutauted in a subfolder of my main site but not
in the definition of the Zclass Object.

By example :
mainsite ---Family----Object
                  |
                  --parameter---method

The method in parameter return a python list.
 The attribut type multiple selection is in the Object definition
1) I want to know the syntax in the attribut value part i must put to
obtain a result different from no value for xxx
  I try : methods (doesn't work)
            parameter.method (id)
            parameter/method (id)
            /mainsite/parameter/method
            mainsite.parameter.method
 no solution are working !!

2) in reality, i want to complicate the problem, and i want to use a
method in a other type of object (called Critera) which return the list
of values. In thsi case in parametre, i will have a list of Critera
Object.
In that case which is the syntax? is it possible ?

3) has someone an idea how we can dump the contents of the context,
namespace and request of an object (attribut, etc) because this point
seems reaaly difficult to understand in zope.

Thanks for your help

Best regards

Dominique



From andym@ActiveState.com  Mon May 28 22:09:34 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:09:34 -0700
Subject: [Zope] RE: Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client
References: <EMEBLHHNMMONGIHFFHOCOEAFCBAA.caz@tcdi.com><007101c0e2d4$9ee92ec0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net><990839707.2104.0.camel@locutus> <004201c0e59a$28974360$c3090740@megapathdsl.net> <991083668.2883.5.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <011001c0e7ba$89b02690$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

PyXPCOM are bindings between Python and XPCOM (Mozilla). It means you can
script Mozilla in Python. There is more information on this here:
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Downloads/Komodo/PyXPCOM/

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Anderson" <bill@libc.org>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:01 PM
Subject: [Zope] RE: Vote for Windowing Toolkit to use for Fat Client


> On 26 May 2001 00:13:02 -0400, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
>
> > > Allegedly, for cross platform COM, there is good progress being made
> > > with PyXPCOM, but I have no personal experience to relate.
> >
> > Have not looked into it. Sceptical I will live that long ;-) Is this
part of
> > .NET ?
>
>
> IIRC, it is a Mozilla thing. Apparently a Corss(X) Platform COM library
> they are making/using/something.
>
>
>
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From tom@cameron.to  Mon May 28 22:18:33 2001
From: tom@cameron.to (Tom Cameron)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 07:18:33 +1000
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <01052810285801.00407@odo>
Message-ID: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKIIEGFEMAA.tom@cameron.to>

hmm, thanks, I thought I had tried this combination, but I will go back and
try again.

I use wo_pcgi as I like to use apache as a proxy and redirect all zope
requests to localhost:8080
It seems to be cleaner than the pcgi solution.

As I said before, I have had all this working on other machines, I just cant
work out why it is not working on this new machine.

Tom

=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
=> Leonard Sitongia
=> Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2001 2:29 AM
=> To: zope@zope.org
=> Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope won't start
=>
=>
=> My lastest efforts:
=>
=> I dropped the Zope 2.2.2 port, and built 2.3.2 from sources, using
=> w_pcgi.py.  (Point of confusion: Quick Start describes using this
=> one, but it's the approach for using an existing server, however
=> it starts up Zserver on port 8080, and Apache is on port 80
=> of course.  Later, the INSTALL.txt describes using wo_pcgi.py
=> to install using Zserver, which still appears to start up the
=> same way.  So, what's the difference and how does Apache
=> get involved?...).
=>
=> I couldn't get the super manager authentication to work, and
=> tried various configurations, CLEARTEXT, SHA and CRYPT.
=>
=> So, I rebuilt it with wo_pcgi.py.
=>
=> The username/password that the install created didn't work,
=> but when I recreated the password, using CRYPT (as the
=> install did), it now works.
=>
=> So, FreeBSD port for Python 1.5.2 + Zope src 2.3.2 +
=> wo_pcgi.py + recreate the password with
=>
=> python zpasswd.py -u admin -p (password) -e CRYPT access
=>
=> gives a running Zserver Zope.
=>
=> ==Leonard
=>
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 28 18:53:47 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 18:53:47 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts
References: <046001c0e75a$03dad5c0$8271a8c0@uz.kuleuven.ac.be> <013d01c0e75f$1b284ff0$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <05f401c0e7bb$be67ace0$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> What was wrong with
> if hasattr(context,'coffeebreak'):
>     print "have coffee"
> ?
>
> This is almost the equivalent of DTML's
> <dtml-if coffeebreak>

Not really... the DTML equivalent would be:
<dtml-if "hasattr(context,'coffeebreak')">
...which is something quite different ;-)

In a python script, bind the namespace to _ on the bindings tab and then see
what happens with:

if _['coffeebreak']:
  print 'coffee'

cheers,

Chris



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 28 21:03:31 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:03:31 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZEO Client space
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B338@desi2>
Message-ID: <05ff01c0e7bb$db3491d0$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> what (for example, in the case of an enterprise KM portal) prevents a
clever
> user (let's say, a Python programmer in the company's IT dept) from being
> able to bypass the client security mechanism and get access to HR or
payroll
> data that he/she is not supposed to see?

This is exactly the problem my ZODB-dev idea seeks to solve...

> I guess, if you are just looking for applications that access data and
call
> methods written in Zope, XML-RPC would still be ideal, and have the
security
> features that would be needed.
>

<snip XML brokering stuff>
Woh! That sounded cool but went light years above my head :-S

> for an unintelligent application; it just means the application is a
little
> bit more autonomous from Zope (which could either be good or bad)...

Hmmm, thanks, that was a really interesting insight :-)

cheers,

Chris



From r.nyborg@telia.com  Mon May 28 22:35:02 2001
From: r.nyborg@telia.com (Robert Nyborg)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 23:35:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other
References: <01052808153600.01448@squidbitch.mmmanager.org>
Message-ID: <005901c0e7be$0e7958d0$040fa8c0@COMPAQ>

This link may help you.
http://www.zope.org/Members/jooi/HowToDateCalculation

/Robert Nyborg

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte@mmmanager.org>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 8:15 AM
Subject: [Zope] Subtracting 2 dates from each other


> Hello,
>=20
> I need to subtract to dates from each other.
> I have searched the archives but haven't found anything useful.
> Hope someone here could help me.
>=20
> Regards,
> --=20
> ************************
> Gitte Wange Jensen
>=20
> System Squid Developer
> MMManager Aps
> +45 29 72 79 72
>=20
> gitte@mmmanager.org
> ************************
>=20
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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 28 20:59:25 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:59:25 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Re: ZEO Client
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105242050340.3196-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <05fe01c0e7bb$d334fe20$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> unprotected networks. and it would be unsafe to expose a GUIfied ZEO
> client to unprotected networks, but this is easily mitigatable with things
> like ssh or ssl.

Michel, you're on the ZODB-dev list, right?

Did the diagram I just posted look like it would fit well with this? In
essence, keep the incesure ZEO connection wholly on the server and have the
ZEO client serve out as rich an interface (but one that is secure, I was
thinking RestricedPython for this) over its connection.

comments?

cheers,

Chris



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Mon May 28 21:07:46 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:07:46 +0100
Subject: [Zope]  ZEO Client space
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B339@desi2> <5912055.990825730@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <060001c0e7bb$dd009f40$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> I think to solve the problem for arbitrary clients accessing ZODB
> we need an additionally layer on top of the application logic
> which can then be accessed via net using authorisation and such.

I agree, and I'd love to get this rolling, I've heard people mention
XML-RPC, CORBA and I've given my own hare braiend ideas, now we just need o
pick the right one and make it work...

Anyone interested in helping?

*grinz*

Chris



From freespacefoundation@yahoo.com  Mon May 28 23:01:09 2001
From: freespacefoundation@yahoo.com (Darin Arrick)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:01:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Anyone want to help create a Zope site?
Message-ID: <20010528220109.91360.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com>

  I am creating a group called the Free Space Foundation. Well, it's not
really a group, but a server which will allow people to collaborate on
"open source" space-related items (software, hardware, engines, spacecraft
designs, etc.) with the goal of helping individuals and small groups go
into space. I'm running all sorts of server daemons on the machine,
not the least of which is Zope.

  I'm not a computer newbie (14+ years experience, programming, HW & SW,
support, network and server admin, Unix, NT, Linux, etc.), but I am a Zope
and Python newbie, so I need some help.

  Is there someone who may be interested in donating some of their time
and
effort to helping build this site? I'm going to put in a lot of effort and
time, but I'd like some Zope help to speed up that part of the process.
No pay is involved; you'll probably want to get involved only if: a) you
are a space advocate, or b) you're a Zope and Python freak. Or both. :-)
If you know Perl, that would be a plus.

  Just drop me an e-mail at

f r e e s p a c e f o u n d a t i o n @ y a h o o . c o m

(remove the spaces first; I do this to bypass Yahoo! Groups' e-mail
masking filter)


Thanks. Ad astra!
Darin Arrick
freespacefoundation@yahoo.com


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From bill@libc.org  Mon May 28 21:11:13 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 28 May 2001 14:11:13 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Ways for putting contents into Zope
In-Reply-To: <1fa4ht8t9svggvv18j8lj6ko3e3h68t47b@4ax.com>
References: <1fa4ht8t9svggvv18j8lj6ko3e3h68t47b@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <991080673.2885.4.camel@locutus>

On 28 May 2001 12:35:51 +0200, Luca Manini wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> what options are there for putting contents into Zope.  Let's say I
> want to use Zope to build an intranet where not specially skilled
> people (at least not "html" skilled people) has to author most of the
> site contents.  Which approaches can I try? 
> 
> Options that came to mind are:
> 
> 1) make "contributions" be higly structured (I mean to have many
>    properties and less "free" text) so that I can produce the output
>    like a DB report.
> 
> 2) try to teach them some StructuredText.
> 
> 3) try to have them use some other editor to produce "simple" html and
>    import it into Zope.
> 
> 4) have them put almost plain text and set up some sort to publishing
>    work flow where the plain text get reviewed and edited in steps by
>    different skilled people up to the "final" form?
> 
> 5) Any experience, other ideas?
> 
>    TIA, Luca. 

Install CMF (http://cmf.zope.org ) and then you can do any/all of these.
Structured Text

  Structured text is rather *simple* to learn, at keast for
  probably 90%, or more, of the things these people would 
  theoritically be doing.

Workflow
  
  This is one of the key aspects of the CMF, and can provide you with 
  a simple means to implement the 4th option you list.

  The author would:

    o Log in to the site

    o Add a Document (by following the links)

    o Submit for review

   At this point, a reviewer would look at it, make any 
   structural changes needed, and approve or reject it.

That's how I'd do it. One of these days I'll probably make a WYSIWYG
StructuredText editor .. but that is another subject.

This-reply-typed-in-StructuredText-ly y'rs Bill




From joe@iuveno-net.de  Tue May 29 00:06:06 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 01:06:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ZClass 'UNSLICEABLE OBJECT' Error Value
References: <OE48yfogkJXrRjbDt3H000170d1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901c0e7ca$c6c23400$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

Haven't I answered to that already? ;-)

> I am trying to create specialized document classes that have unique
> propertysheets, methods,  are CatalogAware and renderable via <dtml-var
> ...>.  I have been able to successfully build a structured-text document
> class that meets these criteria, however, I am unable to build an HTML
> document class.  If I try to use OFS:DTMLDocument or OFS:DTMLMethod as my
> base class,  the ZInstance attempt throws a TypeError with a value of
> 'unsliceable object'.  I have tried many variations on this theme and none
> were successful.  I thought I had a handle on ZClasses but I am obviously
> missing something major.  Note: not that this has anything to do with the
> above, but I can subclass OFS:File and OFS:Image with no problem.  I am
> using Zope version 2.3.1 on a Win2K platform.
>
> Any hints, insight, direction, further-reading links would be greatly
> appreciated.

I guess it really just is that bug that crept in after 2.3.0 (and which
should be fixed in 2.3.2) ...
If it still doesn't work with 2.3.2, please tell me

Joachim



From danny@adair.net  Tue May 29 00:57:26 2001
From: danny@adair.net (Danny William Adair)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:57:26 +1200
Subject: [Zope] repost: standard_error_message and roles
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010529115414.024cdaf8@getmail.adair.net>

Hi!

Strange behavior...

While customizing my standard_error_message, I ran into a problem: Someone 
with the role "Member" is logged in and tries to access a resource that 
does not exist. Same could happen to someone who doesn't have that role 
(Anonymous). Now I have two different style sheets for members and 
non-members: A member might click on a broken link from within the 
members-only area (having a... pink background), the anonymous user clicked 
the same broken link from a publicly accessible area of the site (having 
a... silver background). I would like to keep the different background 
colors when showing my error message so I put a

<dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_role('Member')">
<dtml-var "members_css">
<dtml-else>
<dtml-var "public_css">
</dtml-if>

in the head section of standard_error_message (these *_css are ZStyleSheets)

My problem is, that it's always the public_css that's used.
So I checked with
<dtml-var "AUTHENTICATED_USER.getRoles()">
in both the members area and standard_error_message. To my surprise the 
member role was gone:

In the members area - after authentication - getRoles() returned
('Member',)

while in standard_error_message ( _.str(error_type)=='NotFound' ) it returned
('Anonymous',)

btw, the role is not really "lost", I can go back to the members area and 
click through members-only pages without problems.

What's happening? 



From vekn@msn.com  Tue May 29 01:58:48 2001
From: vekn@msn.com (Eric Roby)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 19:58:48 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZClass 'UNSLICEABLE OBJECT' Error Value
References: <OE48yfogkJXrRjbDt3H000170d1@hotmail.com> <003901c0e7ca$c6c23400$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>
Message-ID: <OE158KTGD4hMcqw555n0001616e@hotmail.com>

Sorry Joachim,

I misunderstood your previous response on the zope-dev listing.  I thought
it might be something I was misunderstanding about ZClasses.
I will load 2.3.2 and see if I still have that problem.  Thanks for your
response.

Eric



> Haven't I answered to that already? ;-)
>
> > I am trying to create specialized document classes that have unique
> > propertysheets, methods,  are CatalogAware and renderable via <dtml-var
> > ...>.  I have been able to successfully build a structured-text document
> > class that meets these criteria, however, I am unable to build an HTML
> > document class.  If I try to use OFS:DTMLDocument or OFS:DTMLMethod as
my
> > base class,  the ZInstance attempt throws a TypeError with a value of
> > 'unsliceable object'.  I have tried many variations on this theme and
none
> > were successful.  I thought I had a handle on ZClasses but I am
obviously
> > missing something major.  Note: not that this has anything to do with
the
> > above, but I can subclass OFS:File and OFS:Image with no problem.  I am
> > using Zope version 2.3.1 on a Win2K platform.
> >
> > Any hints, insight, direction, further-reading links would be greatly
> > appreciated.
>
> I guess it really just is that bug that crept in after 2.3.0 (and which
> should be fixed in 2.3.2) ...
> If it still doesn't work with 2.3.2, please tell me
>
> Joachim
>
>


From jtk@adelphia.net  Tue May 29 02:56:01 2001
From: jtk@adelphia.net (Jeff Kowalczyk)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:56:01 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Relational queries on zope obj db?
Message-ID: <000001c0e7e2$86065140$0e573318@dev1>

I'm very interested in using zope, but before I dive in, I have a
fundamental question that always presents itself when looking at object
database technologies.

How does a zope developer select related items across folders from the
object store? In effect, I'm asking what ZopeDB can do to feign
relational SQL when it needs a select query on its objects, more
extensive than a simple knock-out filter.

The stumbling block is always the same: 
The problem domain may model perfectly in an ODB's folders/forms, but
then the customer asks for the kind of report that would be a snap in
SQL with any relational database, but is very difficult, or horrendously
slow to do in the object database.

A simple example would be: customer-class in one folder,
purchaseorder-class in another, productitem-class in a third; select all
purchase orders for customerA, displaying each individual productitem
ordered.

Thanks! If there's any way to do SQL-like queries against Zope's Object
Database, or to arrive at the same result, I'm going to check out Zope
very seriously.



From marc@bowery.com  Tue May 29 03:50:30 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:50:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Relational queries on zope obj db?
In-Reply-To: <000001c0e7e2$86065140$0e573318@dev1>
Message-ID: <B73886B5.2E149%marc@bowery.com>


> From: "Jeff Kowalczyk" <jtk@adelphia.net>
> 
> A simple example would be: customer-class in one folder,
> purchaseorder-class in another, productitem-class in a third; select all
> purchase orders for customerA, displaying each individual productitem
> ordered.

Why would you have those three things in different folders?  Why not, for
example have:

class Productitem:
   def __init___
      price = 0
      itemno = 0
      upc = 0
      description = ''
      etc....

class Purchaseorder:
   def __init__
      ponumber = 0
      itemlist = []
      shipping = 0
      terms = 'net 30'
      tax = 0
      date = ZopeTime()
   def total(self)
      total = 0
      for i in itemlist
         total = total + i.price
      total = total * (1 + self.tax) + self.shipping
      return total
   etc...

def Customer:
   def __init__
      customerid = 0
      terms = 'net30'
      address = ''
      purchase_orders = []
      etc....


So then you instantiate a customer object for each customer (customer1 =
Customer()), and each time a purchase order is made you'd instantiate one of
those and add it to the list:
customer1.purchase_orders.append(Purchaseorder())
then you could add items to the last purchase order (of course, you'd
probably want to address it by name, easily done in python, but for
simplicity...)
customer1.purchase_orders[-1].itemlist.append(Productitem())

Seems the object orientation of python makes something like this the natural
organization, as opposed to the table orientation of a so-called RDB....

Then in Zope, you'd naturally take steps to Catalog these things as they
were created, facilitating high speed searches and report generation.
   



From BruceP@wn.com.au  Tue May 29 05:25:07 2001
From: BruceP@wn.com.au (Bruce Pearson &/or Gwyn Ingham)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:25:07 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Help on downloading data to a file
Message-ID: <FIEELCDBFCOFDPDMIIGFGENLCIAA.BruceP@wn.com.au>

I want to download generated data to a file on the users computer when they
press a button.

The button will call a python script which will generate the data. I'm not
sure how to get the browser to bring up a download dialog and not just
display the data.

I am trying this.

data = 'This is the data that is generated.'

context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Type', 'application/data')
context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Length', len(printed))
context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Disposition',
			   'inline;filename=Data.dat')
return data

This display the data in the browser, but doesn't download it.

Can someone help???

Thanks,

Bruce.



From kevinsl@yahoo.com  Tue May 29 06:55:05 2001
From: kevinsl@yahoo.com (Kevin L)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:55:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] UserDB with cookies not working
Message-ID: <20010529055505.3422.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, I have UserDB working successfully with standard basic
authentication.

But after going into the properties and switching to cookie
authentication it does not work. Now when I try to access a
propected page it just skips authentication and shows the page.
And if I switch back to standard basic authentication then
reload the page, it pops up a login dialog box.

can anyone help?

thanks much

__________________________________________________
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From Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it>  Tue May 29 08:40:28 2001
From: Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it> (Luca Manini)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:40:28 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Error importing STX.zexp
In-Reply-To: <3B12615E.9020109@palladion.com>
References: <3B12615E.9020109@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <rdk6hto96ke52n90tktvm6p4qllfr9qojs@4ax.com>

On Mon, 28 May 2001 10:31:58 -0400, you wrote:

>> By the way, while not putting a friendly OpenDialog
>> in the import (export) form :-)
>
>  * The only way to get that feature would be to use an
>    '<input type=3D"file" ...>' tag, which would cause the browser
>    to actually upload the file.
>
>  * Imports can *only* take place from the 'import' subdirectory
>    of your Zope installation (actually, from either your INSTANCE_HOME
>    or your SOFTWARE_HOME);  they are specifically disallowed via
>    browser upload, due to the security risk such uploads expose.

I see. So what about a Combo, prefilled with the (zexp) files to be
found in that directory ?

	Luca


From mail@peterbe.com  Tue May 29 08:20:39 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:20:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Filtered exportObjects
References: <00fc01c0e791$e2da85e0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <20010528211602.A531@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <001f01c0e810$b2225890$1c64a8c0@PBN>

> On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 06:13:21PM +0200, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> > On my site I have quite a lot of Photo's meta_type=['Photo'] and they
cause
> > the zexp file to become very very very big (currently 86 Mb for 180
Photos).
> > I would like to export my whole site but skip certain paths or meta
types.
> >
> > The best way would be to write a little External Method or Python Script
> > that calls manage_exportObjects() with a filtered object.
> >
> > ...
> > Does anybody have a good solution? Or something to give me a better
start.
>
> Just use ZShell:
>
> find / --type Photo --exec "export {}"

No that did not work.
I created a folder called "dummy". Filled it with Images and DTML Documents
and subfolders with Images.

Command: find /dummy --type Image --exec "export {}"
Results:
Object /dummy/subfolder/Athlete.jpg exported to server as Athlete.jpg.zexp
Object /dummy/Apap.jpg exported to server as Apap.jpg.zexp

But this is not true.
In my <zope>/var directory these ZEXP files don't exist.
BUT, dummy.zexp and subfolder.zexp do.
Importing these and you get back to what you had before, except that
dummy.zexp already contains the subfolder object.

ZShell v1.0pre3
Should I upgrade? Can you suggest a different command?

Peter


>
> then all your photos will in in Zope's var directory as .zexp files.
>
> man export
> man find
>
> bye,
>
> PS: The CVS code works fine with such a command, just tell me if
> yours doesn't.
>
> Jerome Alet
>
>
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From joe@iuveno-net.de  Tue May 29 08:38:49 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:38:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Relational queries on zope obj db?
References: <B73886B5.2E149%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <005301c0e812$67096c20$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

Hello!

> > A simple example would be: customer-class in one folder,
> > purchaseorder-class in another, productitem-class in a third; select all
> > purchase orders for customerA, displaying each individual productitem
> > ordered.
>
> Why would you have those three things in different folders?  Why not, for
> example have:

[... skipped ...]

> Seems the object orientation of python makes something like this the
natural
> organization, as opposed to the table orientation of a so-called RDB....
>
> Then in Zope, you'd naturally take steps to Catalog these things as they
> were created, facilitating high speed searches and report generation.

Marc is right that most of the problems CAN be handled in an object-oriented
way and using the catalog for indexing the rest. In fact, whenever you know
in advance which queries you'll need, it should be no problem to model the
object and indexing structure accordingly. But as soon as your customer asks
for a new, cross-object query or just wants to be able to "dig in his data",
SQL-based data storage is way more flexible, in some cases even the only
viable solution.

This is why the SmartObjects project
(http://demo.iuveno-net.de/iuveno/Products/SmartObjects) exists. It aims at
merging the two: Data stored in RDBMS tables should be usable as objects
within Zope, but at the same time SQL queries should be possible. That's
actually a bit of a simplification, as SmartObjects are supposed to also
handle objects stored in LDAP or the filesystem, and even "composite"
objects. But basically the issue you have would be tackled.

If you are interested, just read the mailing list archives of SmartObjects
and join the list ;-)

Joachim



From alet@unice.fr  Tue May 29 09:00:05 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:00:05 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] Filtered exportObjects
In-Reply-To: <001f01c0e810$b2225890$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010529095431.10575A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Tue, 29 May 2001, Peter Bengtsson wrote:

> > Just use ZShell:
> >
> > find / --type Photo --exec "export {}"
> 
> No that did not work.
> I created a folder called "dummy". Filled it with Images and DTML Documents
> and subfolders with Images.
> 
> Command: find /dummy --type Image --exec "export {}"
> Results:
> Object /dummy/subfolder/Athlete.jpg exported to server as Athlete.jpg.zexp
> Object /dummy/Apap.jpg exported to server as Apap.jpg.zexp
> 
> But this is not true.

You're right, I've tested with the same version and this didn't work.

In fact it worked, sometimes...

Now it works fine, I've tested it here with no problem and the same
command, just download ZShell v1.1 which I've just put online at:

	http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/

> Should I upgrade? Can you suggest a different command?

yes. no.

I've tried it here, seems to be ok with ZShell 1.1

This has made me think about adding "NOTarguments", I'll do that in a
future version, so you will be able to export all objects which are NOT
Images (for example).

hoping this will help.

Jerome Alet



From martin@stoetzel.com  Tue May 29 09:17:26 2001
From: martin@stoetzel.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_St=F6tzel?=)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:17:26 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Avoid or supress heredity
In-Reply-To: <991083668.2883.5.camel@locutus>
Message-ID: <FBEPKEPNIACBCMGEPDJIMEHJCCAA.martin@stoetzel.com>

Hi all,

I have been trying and trying - but I could not find out:
The problem is that I want to check if a certain file (method) exists in a
folder, and if not, display another method.

I am talking about a 'default_en' which should be displayed if it is in a
folder
and a 'default' which exists in each folder and should be displayed
otherwise.

To make this clear:

root:
default
default_en
 + folder1
    - default
 + folder2
    - default
    - default_en

OK, everything works, exept in folder1. I check if a 'default_en' is there,
otherwise display 'default'. But what happens is that because of heredity
the 'default_en' from the root is found and displayed.

The code is simple:

    <dtml-if "'default_en' in objectIds('DTML Method')">
        <dtml-var default_en>
    <dtml-else>
        <dtml-var default>
    </dtml-if>

Does anybody know how I could display the 'default' in folder1? (I mean,
with the functionality I want)

Thanks. Martin



From mail@peterbe.com  Tue May 29 08:58:29 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:58:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZPT] ZPT advocacy
References: <01052814032801.02176@bluelinux> <007801c0e781$b3e91bd0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <01052821413803.02176@bluelinux>
Message-ID: <003c01c0e815$27877580$1c64a8c0@PBN>

No, don't make it an open ZWiki. Take responsibility of it (lock it) and let
logged in Zope Members add comments at the bottom of the page.

If I ask you: "What is your little text about?" What would you answer then?
I meant that it isn't very clear what it's about or it's purpose. Why have
you written it and what do you aim to conclude?
Perhaps you should more precisly decide where you want to pour the cement
before we start reshaping it (with comments) when it has dried in the wrong
place :)

You mentioned CMF, not a product, but a framework. I see that more and more
products tend to store their "data" part in Python and "view" part in
templates of some kind.
That way you can use the "data" part as framework and rewrite the "view"
part yourself for your own needs. And that's a very very big step in the
right direction I reckon.

Take care, Peter

PS. Please don't cross post emails. Send only to zope@zope.org or only to
zpt@zope.org

Subject: Re: [ZPT] ZPT advocacy


> Hello lists,
>
> Thank you Peter for your feedback. I will transform the document
> to a Zwiki as you suggested. Trying to...
> Also I will change the slightly egocentric style
> used throughout. I think you're right about that. Thanks for
> mentioning. Perhaps we should rather try to turn the document into
> something usefull for anyone interested in Zope advocacy in
> general.
> At all I feel that it is still very uncomplete.
> And of course it is still no business-plan. But perhaps it will
> develop.
>
> Especially the argumentation (is there one? :-) is a bit selective.
> As you say all of the Zope subsystems and all the products that
> are included (pythontalk: batteries included) are of course the real
> strength of Zope.
> Still I also wanted to make a special case for ready to use off-
> the-shelf applications which are assembled of products and
> components, not replacing or competing with them.
> Of course this kind of application can't be a CM solution to a media
> company for example. But Tim Cook's FreePM is a nice example that
> there is a perceived market for solutions that dont't need this high
degree
> of customization: Well understood and standard business
> processes of a limited scope.
>
> But as this sort of discussion is not specific to ZPT, i'll
> leave it at this and open a wiki.
>
> Andreas
>
>
>
> Montag, 28. Mai 2001 16:17 you wrote:
> > Feedback on http://www.zope.org/Members/vallen2/
> >
> > It was easy to read because you shine of enthusiasm and optimism. That's
> > good, and this is the kind of text you want to send when you send
> > propaganda to a prospective client.
> >
> > But it's easier for me to complain so I'll do that.
> > It's alot of "me" and "I". That's alright, but is the article about you
or
> > Zope as a basis product for a developing Buiness plan?
> >
> > Your conclusion in the begining of the text summorizes: "Zope is all
about
> > a framework
> > for rapid Web-application creation and maintenance."
> > The work "rapid" weights heavly in that sentence. Maybe you should get
back
> > to that later in detail.
> > It is the same conclusion I use a lot when I'm describing Zope.
> > I say "Using Zope, you'll get more for your money because everything is
so
> > prepared for you. If you know what you want, you can save money by using
> > Zope"
> >
> > "Rapid creation and maintenence" also means "less bucks"; but maybe we
> > should leave the conclusion about what "rapid" means to people who apply
> > it.
> >
> > One thing that I thing you should mention more about content management
> > systems and so on is that when you install Zope you get ACLUsers, Lots
of
> > permissions, Basic Authentication (well tested),
> > encompassed-management-view-per-permissions and options to fully
customize
> > and control login (LDAP, MySQL UserFolder, NT Userfolder etc)
> > These are things that are taken for granted in Zope. And in the
ASP/JSP/PHP
> > world systems that "approach" the security whole of Zope cost thousands
of
> > pounds for companies.
> > I've seen new media agencies build impressive content management systems
> > for wellpaying large companies, but when I look at their content
management
> > system I think that they can be built in zope in 30 minutes by mastering
> > the www.zope.org/Products page.
> >
> > Business is a lot about money. And this is one of Zope's strongest
> > strengths, by just like you're saying being rapid. More on that please.
> >
> > Nothing more for moment.
> >
> > Well done.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andreas Vallen" <vallen@gmx.net>
> > To: <zpt@zope.org>
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:03 PM
> > Subject: [ZPT] ZPT advocacy
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've recently had an exchange with Peter Bengtsson about
> > > his nice ZPT/DTML - comparison page.
> > >
> > > Now he alerted me to the existence of a ZPT-mailing list and
> > > here I am.
> > > [Notice to evan: please mention the list under
> > > http://www.zope.org/Resources/MailingLists as that's where
> > > I and probably others have looked].
> > >
> > > I would like to draw your attention to that
> > > kind of business plan (pamphlet?) I hacked last night.
> > > While its premier aim is finding a way to do a business
> > > based on Zope, it contains some amount of ZPT-advocacy
> > > as well.
> > >
> > > And ZPT can use any support it can muster. So here's
> > > the relevant part. Head over to
> > > http://www.zope.org/Members/vallen2/ for the whole
> > > thing. If anyone thinks he can use it for propaganda ;-) do!
> > >
> > > see you,
> > > Andreas
> > >
> > >
> > > ---- start of excerpt
> > >
> > > ...
> > > (2) The second major problem we have is the separation of content,
logic
> >
> > and
> >
> > > presentation.
> > >
> > > "Long before solved" one should think regarding the wealth of
supposedly
> > > "Model-View-Controller" patterns in the application server domain:
ASP,
> >
> > PHP,
> >
> > > JSP and DTML.
> > >
> > > Not true! Most of you will know it: Above mentioned templating
mechanisms
> > > while better than Perl-cgiing at their time of birth have introduced
> > > their own plethora of problems. In fact it were the same old ones:
Logic
> > > inside presentation.
> > > While it is impossible to edit a cgi-script with a WYSIWYG-editor
editing
> > > these templates is not a pleasant experience either - if at all
possible.
> > > I as a Java-devotee have of course taken delight in JSP - until I used
it
> >
> > too
> >
> > > much. I have not coded in the other above mentioned templating
languages
> >
> > (not
> >
> > > even DTML), but I know for sure that the result is the same:
> > >
> > > They leave a hell of a mess.
> > >
> > > But good we have DC. Apart of creating our platform, one of the
> > > advantages
> >
> > of
> >
> > > having a commercial "mother" as an open-source community is that they
> >
> > often
> >
> > > better sense the shortcomings of the platform regarding its use by
people
> >
> > not
> >
> > > being fluent in all the languages of choice at any given moment (e.g.
> >
> > DTML).
> >
> > > And I assume that no designer wants to see or even learn
> > > "dtmlmethod(_.None,_)". God - not even I want to see something like
this.
> >
> > But
> >
> > > I think I have to: I'm a coder.
> > > So what did DC do?
> > >
> > > Short: they created the ultimate weapon. The solution. The thing that
> > > made
> >
> > me
> >
> > > think my business idea is feasible, no: damned to success:Page
Templates
> > >
> > > I'm not in a mood to explain them. Just go to the ZPT site. Simply
know
> >
> > that
> >
> > > they are a groundbreaking mechanism to separate logic, content and
> > > presentation in such a way that page-designers can reliably edit their
> > > dynamic pages inside any WYSIWYG-editor without having any problems.
> > >
> > > Contrast this to any(!) other of the established templating mechanisms
> >
> > which
> >
> > > will make these editors terribly confused and unusable, what is quite
> > > sure your fate if you don't happen to speak the language of the tools'
> > > company (Microsoft: ASP!, even Macromedia may cease support for
anything
> > > but CFML from Allaire Coldfusion (whom they bought) and JSP: Think
about
> > > choice Mr. IT-manager! No one got ever fired for choosing choice!
;-) )
> > >
> > > In some way the content<->logic separation is even better accomplished
by
> > > XMLC (a separation mechanism employed by the java application server
> > > "Enhydra"), which ZPT was inspired by, but enhydra XMLC lacks other
> >
> > crucial
> >
> > > features which in my opinion second it.
> > >
> > > I try to advertise ZPT because I feel many seasoned developers shun
this
> >
> > new
> >
> > > technology. Even DC seems to be afraid of saying DTMLers: "Stop coding
> >
> > DTML.
> >
> > > There's something new in town and it is vastly superior!"
Understandable
> > > - given the fact that zopistas like too hack and ZPT superficially (ok
> > > ... really - but only a bit) seems to have less expressiveness.
> > >
> > > But that's the same the new Python Scripts are also all about: Stop
> >
> > enmeshing
> >
> > > logic and content!
> > > The results are more but rewarding and as I said enabling my
business -
> > > because they tackle our second problem: separating the logic from the
> >
> > content.
> >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > --- end of excerpt
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ZPT mailing list
> > > ZPT@zope.org
> > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zpt



From mail@peterbe.com  Tue May 29 09:12:58 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:12:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts
References: <046001c0e75a$03dad5c0$8271a8c0@uz.kuleuven.ac.be> <013d01c0e75f$1b284ff0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <05f401c0e7bb$be67ace0$1d010a0a@Lifebook>
Message-ID: <008601c0e81a$dcf48520$1c64a8c0@PBN>

> > What was wrong with
> > if hasattr(context,'coffeebreak'):
> >     print "have coffee"
> > ?
> >
> > This is almost the equivalent of DTML's
> > <dtml-if coffeebreak>
>
> Not really... the DTML equivalent would be:
> <dtml-if "hasattr(context,'coffeebreak')">
> ...which is something quite different ;-)
>
> In a python script, bind the namespace to _ on the bindings tab and then
see
> what happens with:
>
> if _['coffeebreak']:
>   print 'coffee'

The purpose of the Script bit is to check for the presence of an object OR
property, isn't it?

>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>



From mail@peterbe.com  Tue May 29 09:52:05 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:52:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Filtered exportObjects
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010529095431.10575A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <00aa01c0e81f$121fad70$1c64a8c0@PBN>

> This has made me think about adding "NOTarguments", I'll do that in a
> future version, so you will be able to export all objects which are NOT
> Images (for example).

Yeah, this is very important, otherwise I would have to list all meta_types
that are not Photos or Images or whatever.
When can I expect to see this?

peter

> hoping this will help.
>
> Jerome Alet
>



From alet@unice.fr  Tue May 29 10:15:32 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:15:32 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] Filtered exportObjects
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c0e81f$121fad70$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010529111046.10575E-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Tue, 29 May 2001, Peter Bengtsson wrote:

> > This has made me think about adding "NOTarguments", I'll do that in a
> > future version, so you will be able to export all objects which are NOT
> > Images (for example).
> 
> Yeah, this is very important, otherwise I would have to list all meta_types
> that are not Photos or Images or whatever.
> When can I expect to see this?

soon, but not very. 

probably by the end of this week or beginning of next week.

I've already done similar things in C in a previous life, so this should
be easy. Unfortunately I've got something important to do these days...

bye,

Jerome Alet



From mail@peterbe.com  Tue May 29 10:36:33 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:36:33 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Avoid or supress heredity
References: <FBEPKEPNIACBCMGEPDJIMEHJCCAA.martin@stoetzel.com>
Message-ID: <013f01c0e823$47728200$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Use <dtml-with "PARENTS[0]" only>
or something like that.
Just as long as you keep the 'only' argument.
This turns of aquisistion for a while.

To do it in Python you are obliged to do it in an External Method (not a
Python Script).
Dieter Maur contributed with this hack.
def hasattr_itself(object,attribute):
  """return true iff *object* itself has attribute *attribute*."""
  base= getattr(object,'aq_base',object)
  return hasattr(base,attribute)

But maybe it's worth trying first.
In a Python Script:
if hasattr(context.folder2.aq_explicit, 'default_en'):
Note the .aq_explicit

Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Stötzel" <martin@stoetzel.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:17 AM
Subject: [Zope] Avoid or supress heredity


> Hi all,
>
> I have been trying and trying - but I could not find out:
> The problem is that I want to check if a certain file (method) exists in a
> folder, and if not, display another method.
>
> I am talking about a 'default_en' which should be displayed if it is in a
> folder
> and a 'default' which exists in each folder and should be displayed
> otherwise.
>
> To make this clear:
>
> root:
> default
> default_en
>  + folder1
>     - default
>  + folder2
>     - default
>     - default_en
>
> OK, everything works, exept in folder1. I check if a 'default_en' is
there,
> otherwise display 'default'. But what happens is that because of heredity
> the 'default_en' from the root is found and displayed.
>
> The code is simple:
>
>     <dtml-if "'default_en' in objectIds('DTML Method')">
>         <dtml-var default_en>
>     <dtml-else>
>         <dtml-var default>
>     </dtml-if>
>
> Does anybody know how I could display the 'default' in folder1? (I mean,
> with the functionality I want)
>
> Thanks. Martin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From mail@peterbe.com  Tue May 29 10:10:54 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:10:54 +0200
Subject: [Zope] The (NEW) Product API Tutorial
Message-ID: <013d01c0e823$47664d00$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Where is The (NEW) Product API Tutorial?

I tried the How To Create a Boring Product in Python, but I want more.
Where do I find the best and detailed information about this?

Peter



From mail@peterbe.com  Tue May 29 10:42:52 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:42:52 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Product Developers Guide
Message-ID: <015c01c0e825$fe694640$1c64a8c0@PBN>

At http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/PDG
You have only published one chapter. Chapter 6 about security.
Do you have anything unfinished, because I'm desperate now for this to
become ready.

Peter



From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May 29 11:19:00 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 06:19:00 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Product Developers Guide
References: <015c01c0e825$fe694640$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <3B137794.ABA69DA4@digicool.com>

Hi Peter,

This effort has been superseded by the Zope Developer's Guide, available
online and through CVS via http://www.zope.org/DocProjects/DevGuide .

HTH,

- C

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> 
> At http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/PDG
> You have only published one chapter. Chapter 6 about security.
> Do you have anything unfinished, because I'm desperate now for this to
> become ready.
> 
> Peter


From wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de  Tue May 29 11:52:26 2001
From: wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de (Andreas Wandel)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:52:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] (no subject)
Message-ID: <991133546.3b137f6a989f8@mailhost.math.uni-potsdam.de>

Hi all,

I had a conversation about changing document types two weeks ago - we
talked about the 'HTMLDocument' product:

>> Is there a possibility to change the type of an document that is
>> already in the ZODB? - I dont want to have to reload all of the existing
>> static HTML containing 'DTML Documents'

>I don't think it possible in a clean way. An ugly hack would be to dump
>the ZODB to XML, edit the XML file and reload.

Are there other ideas?

Andreas


From Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it>  Tue May 29 12:19:21 2001
From: Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it> (Luca Manini)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:19:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Connecting to MS SQL
Message-ID: <h317ht0320rn17tsk8c1abnggtr65nl588@4ax.com>

Hi,=20

I'm trying to connect to a MS SQL (7) server.=20
I read the note http://www.zope.org/Members/roberth/ZMSSQLServer
and I followed all the steps.=20
But I can't get connected (see error below).=20
Other ODBC connections do work (to MDB files).=20
The ODBC Manager seems to be happy with the configuration.=20
And the connection do work with Delphi.=20

Any hint ?
Any "strange" constraint (case sensitive, ...)

Set up is:=20

NT4
MS SQL 7 (on another NT 4 machine)
Zope Version  Zope 2.3.2 (binary release, python 1.5.2, win32-x86) =20
Python Version  1.5.2 (#0, Jul 30 1999, 09:52:18) [MSC 32 bit (Intel)]
System Platform  win32 =20

	TIA, Luca.=20








Traceback (innermost last):
  File C:\Programmi\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223,
in publish_module
  File C:\Programmi\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 187,
in publish
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\Zope\__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File C:\Programmi\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 171,
in publish
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
    (Object: manage_addZODBCConnection)
  File C:\Programmi\Zope\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112,
in call_object
    (Object: manage_addZODBCConnection)
  File C:\Programmi\Zope\lib\python\Products\ZODBCDA\DA.py, line 104,
in manage_addZODBCConnection
    (Object: Traversable)
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\Shared\DC\ZRDB\Connection.py, line
132, in __init__
    (Object: RoleManager)
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\Shared\DC\ZRDB\Connection.py, line
161, in edit
    (Object: RoleManager)
  File C:\PROGRA~1\Zope\lib\python\Shared\DC\ZRDB\Connection.py, line
240, in connect
    (Object: RoleManager)
  File C:\Programmi\Zope\lib\python\Products\ZODBCDA\db.py, line 155,
in __init__
BadRequest: (see above)



From paz@oratrix.com  Tue May 29 12:17:25 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:17:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope] RESPONSE.setHeader
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAIELFCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Hi,

Does anyone know how to setHeader of the RESPONSE to a document in Zope
which would ordinarily be read as an html file will now be downloaded?

I list some files in a page and then I want to be able to download these
documents, but of course the browser will load and render them.

I have tried:
   <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Disposition','Attachment;
Filename=' + document)">

where document is the &dtml-absolute_url; of the object I want. But it will
give me a popup window to save the HTML file of the page that lists the
files I want available for download.

   <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('refresh', '4;URL=' + document)">

Will of course get me the correct page as well, but again, the browser will
render it since it is in fact of DTML Document type... But how do you force
a download?

Thanks again,
Paz



From mnelson@esperion.com  Tue May 29 12:27:38 2001
From: mnelson@esperion.com (Matthew Nelson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 07:27:38 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Passing arguments to secondary SQL query
Message-ID: <8156A6FE684ED21194D20008C756F8DFA017FD@independence.esperion.com>

Greetings,

I am generating a report based on a SQL query, say query1.  Using dtml-in it
iterates over each returned row.  Within each row, I would like to create a
table based on a second query, say query2.  Everything works great until I
insert query2 in a second dtml-in statement.  I can't figure out how to pass
query2 arguments, which are dtml-vars from the current loop of query1.  I
get the error: Bad Request, Error Value: ['var1'].  Here's a simplified
example:

query1:  select var1 from mytab;
query2:  select newvar from mytab2 where myvar = <dtml-sqlvar var1
type="string">;

Report:
<dtml-in query1>
  <dtml-var var1><br>
  <dtml-in query2>    <!-- Here's where I'm stuck -->
    <dtml-var newvar><br>
  </dtml-in>
</dtml-in>

Thanks a bundle in advance for any suggestions.

Regards,

Matt Nelson
Esperion Therapeutics, Inc.


From Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>  Tue May 29 12:46:20 2001
From: Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net> (Oliver Bleutgen)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:46:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Passing arguments to secondary SQL query
Message-ID: <E154i86-0005Lp-00@mail.python.org>

> Greetings,

> I am generating a report based on a SQL query, say query1.  Using dtml-in
> it
> iterates over each returned row.  Within each row, I would like to create
> a
> table based on a second query, say query2.  Everything works great until I
> insert query2 in a second dtml-in statement.  I can't figure out how to
> pass
> query2 arguments, which are dtml-vars from the current loop of query1.  I
> get the error: Bad Request, Error Value: ['var1'].  Here's a simplified
> example:

> query1:  select var1 from mytab;
> query2:  select newvar from mytab2 where myvar = <dtml-sqlvar var1
> type="string">;

> Report:
> <dtml-in query1>
>   <dtml-var var1><br>
>   <dtml-in query2>    <!-- Here's where I'm stuck -->
>     <dtml-var newvar><br>
>   </dtml-in>
> </dtml-in>

try
<dtml-in "query2(var1=var1)">

i.e., you have to explicitly pass the arguments.
cheers,
oliver


From tino@wildenhain.de  Tue May 29 12:59:24 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:59:24 +0200
Subject: [Zope] RESPONSE.setHeader
In-Reply-To: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAIELFCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>
References: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAIELFCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <18494215.991144763@BUZZER>

Hi Paul,

you have to set the header on the resource you want to
download, not on the page containing the links.
You can make a simple download method like this:

<dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('content-type','application/octet-stream')>
<dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Disposition','Attachment; 
Filename=' + id() +'.txt')">
<dtml-return "_[id()]">

as a method "download", so you can use

yourdocument/download  do download yourdocument.txt

HTH.
Tino Wildenhain

PS: note: untested. May be you have to vary some things in the source, 
(like id() )
but it schould be good for a starting point.



--On Dienstag, 29. Mai 2001 13:17 +0200 Paul Zwarts <paz@oratrix.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know how to setHeader of the RESPONSE to a document in Zope
> which would ordinarily be read as an html file will now be downloaded?
>
> I list some files in a page and then I want to be able to download these
> documents, but of course the browser will load and render them.
>
> I have tried:
>    <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Disposition','Attachment;
> Filename=' + document)">
>
> where document is the &dtml-absolute_url; of the object I want. But it
> will give me a popup window to save the HTML file of the page that lists
> the files I want available for download.
>
>    <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('refresh', '4;URL=' + document)">
>
> Will of course get me the correct page as well, but again, the browser
> will render it since it is in fact of DTML Document type... But how do
> you force a download?
>
> Thanks again,
> Paz
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )






From maxm@normik.dk  Tue May 29 13:28:01 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:28:01 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Seing if an attribute exist in an ObjectManager
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D20@exchange>

I have set an image in an ObjectManager object like this:

    imID =3D 'laeringsGraf'   =20
    self._setObject(imID, OFS.Image.Image(imID,'L=E6rings graf',''))
    self._getOb(imID).update_data(data)

I only want to draw it if it isn't there allready

How do I then check if it allready exists?
I guess it's something like::

    if not hasattr(self, imID): ??
    or
    if not self._has_attr(imID)

regarsd Max M


From paz@oratrix.com  Tue May 29 13:31:49 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:31:49 +0200
Subject: [Zope] RESPONSE.setHeader
In-Reply-To: <18494215.991144763@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMACELICFAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Hi Tino,

Thanks for the response. I *think* I understand what you mean. Here is the
layout

SMILTests <- the viewing document that scans the following folders for
documents and then lays them out as various types and recognizes the
differences by their extension

SMILTests - viewing file
getDoc    - your suggested method
  Interop (folder)
      Animation (folder
           something.smil     - a .smil file to be downloaded
           something.smil.html - the corresponding source file to read
      Media (more folders)
      ...
      ...


The SMILTests document will compile a list per folder. From this same
document, I want to cause the download of the requested file, which btw, are
ALL DTML Documents.

<a href="getDoc?document=something.smil&area=Animation">this file</a>


So it goes to getDoc which has:

<dtml-with Interop>
   <dtml-with "_.getitem('area')">
      <dtml-call
"RESPONSE.setHeader('content-type','application/octet-stream')">
      <dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Disposition','Attachment;
Filename=' + document)">
      <dtml-return "_[document]">
   </dtml-with>
</dtml-with>

Which gets itself to the correct folder in a folder, and the file... And the
<dtml-return> should var the ultimate destination into the current method,
or......?

Thanks,
Paz


So what you are saying is in the SMILTests document, the a href should look
like
-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tino
Wildenhain
Sent: 29 May 2001 13:59
To: Paul Zwarts; Zope
Subject: Re: [Zope] RESPONSE.setHeader


Hi Paul,

you have to set the header on the resource you want to
download, not on the page containing the links.
You can make a simple download method like this:

<dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('content-type','application/octet-stream')>
<dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Disposition','Attachment;
Filename=' + id() +'.txt')">
<dtml-return "_[id()]">

as a method "download", so you can use

yourdocument/download  do download yourdocument.txt

HTH.
Tino Wildenhain

PS: note: untested. May be you have to vary some things in the source,
(like id() )
but it schould be good for a starting point.





From alet@unice.fr  Tue May 29 13:35:56 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:35:56 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] Seing if an attribute exist in an ObjectManager
In-Reply-To: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D20@exchange>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010529143441.12808A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Tue, 29 May 2001, [iso-8859-1] Max M=F8ller Rasmussen wrote:

> I have set an image in an ObjectManager object like this:
>=20
>     imID =3D 'laeringsGraf'   =20
>     self._setObject(imID, OFS.Image.Image(imID,'L=E6rings graf',''))
>     self._getOb(imID).update_data(data)
>=20
> I only want to draw it if it isn't there allready
>=20
> How do I then check if it allready exists?
> I guess it's something like::
>=20
>     if not hasattr(self, imID): ??
>     or
>     if not self._has_attr(imID)

with hasattr you'll check if the object exists but taking care of the
acquisition.

what you need is:

=09if imID not in self.objectIds() :
=09=09# doesn't exist
=09else:
=09=09# already exists

hoping this helps.

bye,

Jerome Alet



From maxm@normik.dk  Tue May 29 13:42:14 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:42:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Seing if an attribute exist in an ObjectManager
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D21@exchange>

> From: Jerome Alet [mailto:alet@unice.fr]

> what you need is:
> 
> 	if imID not in self.objectIds() :
> 		# doesn't exist
> 	else:
> 		# already exists

If I had had half a brain I would have known it myself ... Guess i'm tired
:-) Thanks.

regards Max M


From Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it>  Tue May 29 14:04:24 2001
From: Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it> (Luca Manini)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:04:24 +0200
Subject: (fwd) Re: [Zope] Connecting to MS SQL
Message-ID: <7i77ht0f8gbn60qd1ib254vmvfbgkt5kk1@4ax.com>

On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:31:56 +0200, Luca Manini
<manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it> wrote:

On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:19:21 +0200, you wrote:

>Hi,=20
>
>I'm trying to connect to a MS SQL (7) server.=20
>I read the note http://www.zope.org/Members/roberth/ZMSSQLServer
>and I followed all the steps.=20
>But I can't get connected (see error below).=20

I do check with MS SQL Profiler.=20
When I check the connection from the ODBC Manager,=20
or when I open the connection from Delphi,=20
the correct UserName is send to the server.=20
But when I add the connection from Zope, the UserName is=20
empty!!!

	Help! Luca



From rhess@bic.ch  Tue May 29 14:04:35 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:04:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] repost: standard_error_message and roles
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010529115414.024cdaf8@getmail.adair.net>
Message-ID: <3B139E63.CA3B6264@bic.ch>

Danny William Adair wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Strange behavior...
> 
> While customizing my standard_error_message, I ran into a problem: Someone
> with the role "Member" is logged in and tries to access a resource that
> does not exist. Same could happen to someone who doesn't have that role
> (Anonymous). Now I have two different style sheets for members and
> non-members: A member might click on a broken link from within the
> members-only area (having a... pink background), the anonymous user clicked
> the same broken link from a publicly accessible area of the site (having
> a... silver background). I would like to keep the different background
> colors when showing my error message so I put a
> 
> <dtml-if "AUTHENTICATED_USER.has_role('Member')">
> <dtml-var "members_css">
> <dtml-else>
> <dtml-var "public_css">
> </dtml-if>
> 
> in the head section of standard_error_message (these *_css are ZStyleSheets)
> 
> My problem is, that it's always the public_css that's used.
> So I checked with
> <dtml-var "AUTHENTICATED_USER.getRoles()">
> in both the members area and standard_error_message. To my surprise the
> member role was gone:
> 
> In the members area - after authentication - getRoles() returned
> ('Member',)
> 
> while in standard_error_message ( _.str(error_type)=='NotFound' ) it returned
> ('Anonymous',)
> 
> btw, the role is not really "lost", I can go back to the members area and
> click through members-only pages without problems.
> 
> What's happening?

Hi Danny

Zope does *not* undertake a full authentication check, when a method is
accessed that is allowed to be accessed by *Anonymous*.

The ZServer only looks up the permission settings of the method
requested, and when it sees, that *Anonymous* has got the permission to
access it, it treats the user (i.e. AUTHENTICATED _USER) as *Anonymous
User* and serves the request. That is, why during serving the request
for the standard_error_message *AUTHENTICATED_USER* has the value of
'Anonymous User'.

Only if *Anonymous* hasn't got sufficient privilegies, ZServer checks on
the user and his roles.

Regards,

--- Flynt


From andres@corrada.com  Thu May 24 16:31:55 2001
From: andres@corrada.com (andres@corrada.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:31:55 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Accessing the subfolders in zope
In-Reply-To: <001201c0e465$e615ebc0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>; from Bobby Mathew on Thu, May 24, 2001 at 08:56:23PM +0530
References: <001201c0e465$e615ebc0$1e01a8c0@dialognet.com>
Message-ID: <20010524113155.A2074@corrada.com>

Hi Bobby,

If the subfolder is not in the acquisition path of the script your line
would give a problem.

Why not just use?:

fname.addProperty(...)

This assumes that fname has been declared an argument of your script.

On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 08:56:23PM +0530, Bobby Mathew wrote:
> Hi all
> I need some advice as to how i access the subfolder of a folder. This is my code so far but i seem to be stuck.
> any help appreciated.
> I have a folder called eSessions and under which i have created another folder (say xyz) which i am passing as a parameter to this python script. My aim is to access that subfolder and add a property as shown below but i am confused how to access this xyz subfolder ??? The fname varialbe is passed with xyz in it as an argument.
> 
> container.fname.addProperty('memberid',1,int)          (this line gives me a problem)
> print propertyItems
> return printed
> 
> 
> thanks
> bobby

-- 
------------------------------------------------------
Andres Corrada-Emmanuel   Email: andres@corrada.com
Internet Programming      http://www.mamey.com
------------------------------------------------------


From fbarousse@piensa.com  Tue May 29 14:24:45 2001
From: fbarousse@piensa.com (Felipe E. Barousse Boue)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:24:45 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Z2.log time format
References: <E154hWi-0004i5-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3B13A31D.A0A936FB@piensa.com>

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Hello all:

I believe this has been asked and solved before but, wanted to clarify the issue:

Is there a way to control the time zone and time offset that Zope records  its log on ?

An example: my system has Zope behind apache (which works fine) but the log's times are not the same.

[29/May/2001:08:20:14 -0500]   This is the time/date logged by apache for a request
[29/may/2001:13:20:14 -0500]   This is the time/date logged by Zope (Z2.log) for the same request after it passed through
                                                and received by Zope.

Why is there a 5 hour difference ? What is the best way to set the Zope log times to be the same
as apache's ? (and ideally the the same as the system's time)

Thanks for your feedback.

Felipe Barousse

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From oc@teuto.net  Tue May 29 14:40:03 2001
From: oc@teuto.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?1npn/HIgQ2FuZXI=?=)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:40:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] jcNTUserFolder
Message-ID: <003301c0e844$dd4ff980$1500000a@intra>

Hi,

does anybody have any experience with Zope on Windows2000 with Active
Directory Service and jcNTUserFolder to authenticate Users against Windows?
Please contact me...


Özgür Caner
--
http://teuto.net



From tseaver@palladion.com  Tue May 29 14:19:14 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:19:14 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Help on downloading data to a file
Message-ID: <3B13A1D2.5040308@palladion.com>

"Bruce Pearson &/or Gwyn Ingham" <BruceP@wn.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I want to download generated data to a file on the users computer when they
> press a button.
> 
> The button will call a python script which will generate the data. I'm not
> sure how to get the browser to bring up a download dialog and not just
> display the data.
> 
> I am trying this.
> 
> data = 'This is the data that is generated.'
> 
> context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Type', 'application/data')
> context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Length', len(printed))

                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Typo?  I think that should be 'len(data)'


> context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Disposition',
> 			   'inline;filename=Data.dat')

                             ^^^^^^
Doesn't an 'inline' disposition tell the browser that you want it to
try to display the data, rather than save to disk?


> return data
> 
> This display the data in the browser, but doesn't download it.


Hope this helps,

Tres.
--

===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org




From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Tue May 29 14:51:42 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:51:42 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Help on downloading data to a file
In-Reply-To: <3B13A1D2.5040308@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105291750150.10833-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Tue, 29 May 2001, Tres Seaver wrote:
> > context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Disposition',
> > 			   'inline;filename=Data.dat')
>                              ^^^^^^
> Doesn't an 'inline' disposition tell the browser that you want it to
> try to display the data, rather than save to disk?

   No, it tells "data is right here, after the headers".

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de  Tue May 29 14:58:05 2001
From: wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de (Andreas Wandel)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:58:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope] (no subject)
References: <991133546.3b137f6a989f8@mailhost.math.uni-potsdam.de>
Message-ID: <3B13AAED.611AB010@math.uni-potsdam.de>

Andreas Wandel wrote:
> 
forget this - I posted this again (with a subject)

Andreas


From wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de  Tue May 29 14:58:16 2001
From: wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de (Andreas Wandel)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:58:16 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Changing document types - was: (no subject)
References: <991133546.3b137f6a989f8@mailhost.math.uni-potsdam.de>
Message-ID: <3B13AAF8.395451E1@math.uni-potsdam.de>

Hi,

sorry for the empty subject field !!

Ones more again:

I had a conversation about changing document types two weeks ago - we
talked about the 'HTMLDocument' product:

>> Is there a possibility to change the type of an document that is
>> already in the ZODB? - I dont want to have to reload all of the existing
>> static HTML containing 'DTML Documents'

>I don't think it possible in a clean way. An ugly hack would be to dump
>the ZODB to XML, edit the XML file and reload.

Are there other ideas?

Andreas


From renfro@tntech.edu  Tue May 29 15:00:42 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:00:42 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Structured Text with Images in regular Zope?
Message-ID: <20010529090042.A29620@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

I'm getting tired of writing HTML for all my lab documentation, but I
need screenshots, too. What do I need to do to get structured text
working with inline images? I know I can just stick <img> tags in the
file, but I'd rather not.

(Zope 2.3.1, Debian 2.2)

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From afterz@zipmail.com  Tue May 29 15:04:45 2001
From: afterz@zipmail.com (After Dark)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:04:45 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Link to file.
Message-ID: <web-4826502@zipmail.com>

Can I create a file in Zope and just link it to another that
it is in Zope?

Thanks.

--
--Ricardo Kohler
          Costa
________________________________________________
Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/



From gerrie@trispen.com  Tue May 29 15:03:24 2001
From: gerrie@trispen.com (Gerrie Roos)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:03:24 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Py Classes in Python Script?
References: <E154hWh-0004hz-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3B13AC2C.2040C6C3@trispen.com>

I've read the 'How-To: Some Neat Tricks with dtml-tree' on www.zope.org and came accross the part:

class _dummy:
                            def __init__(self, name):
                                self.name=name

...and this is exactly what I need to implement at this stage to make my Python Script work in my dtml-tree...

But, alas, it seems (like the author pointed out in a note to himself) one cannot put this piece of code in a Zope Python Script...So
where to put it?  I need it only for this one instance.

Or how else can I pass results back to dtml-tree correctly?  As far as I could figure, dtml-tree has to receive a list of objects, and
these objects need attributes (eg. name) that can then be used for dtml-tree's id parameter, and also to use within your dtml-tree
block in dtml-var tags.

And how does this all relate to the results object returned from a ZSQL object?  Is there maybe a similar object that I can just
instantiate with all my data, and return it?  I looked at the Shared.DC.ZRDB.Results class, but it seemed a bit of a clumsy way to do
it...actually my python is not good.  I'm new, okay.

tnx
gerrie



From menard.jean-francois@hydro.qc.ca  Tue May 29 15:33:00 2001
From: menard.jean-francois@hydro.qc.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_M=E9nard?=)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:33:00 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ImageFile in a python product
Message-ID: <000701c0e84c$43455670$0732c383@jfmenard>

I'm trying to publish images from my python product.  I tried:

image = ImageFile('www/myimage.gif', globals())

Does'nt work.  I tried:

def image(self):
   """ Return image """
  return ImageFile('www/myimage.gif', globals())

Does'nt work either.  I looked at the mailing list archives, with no clear
response.

How can I publish images from a python product class?



From jpenny@universal-fasteners.com  Tue May 29 15:33:42 2001
From: jpenny@universal-fasteners.com (Jim Penny)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:33:42 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Relational queries on zope obj db?
In-Reply-To: <000001c0e7e2$86065140$0e573318@dev1>
References: <000001c0e7e2$86065140$0e573318@dev1>
Message-ID: <20010529103342.E24029@universal-fasteners.com>

On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 09:56:01PM -0400, Jeff Kowalczyk wrote:
> I'm very interested in using zope, but before I dive in, I have a
> fundamental question that always presents itself when looking at object
> database technologies.
> 
> How does a zope developer select related items across folders from the
> object store? In effect, I'm asking what ZopeDB can do to feign
> relational SQL when it needs a select query on its objects, more
> extensive than a simple knock-out filter.
> 
> The stumbling block is always the same: 
> The problem domain may model perfectly in an ODB's folders/forms, but
> then the customer asks for the kind of report that would be a snap in
> SQL with any relational database, but is very difficult, or horrendously
> slow to do in the object database.
> 
> A simple example would be: customer-class in one folder,
> purchaseorder-class in another, productitem-class in a third; select all
> purchase orders for customerA, displaying each individual productitem
> ordered.
> 
> Thanks! If there's any way to do SQL-like queries against Zope's Object
> Database, or to arrive at the same result, I'm going to check out Zope
> very seriously.

And there is yet a third viewpoint.  Smartobjects lets you delay
choice.  But if you know in advance that you are working with this
kind of problem space, why use machinery to put off the ineveitable.
Zope supports nearly 20 direct interfaces to relational databases 
(depending on how you count multiple interfaces to the same database).
Included are postgresql, mysql, odbc, SAP, solid, oracle, sybase, 
ingres, informix and others.  Working with a mainstream RDBMS should 
simply not be a problem.

Jim Penny
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> 


From mail@peterbe.com  Tue May 29 15:18:51 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:18:51 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Py Classes in Python Script?
References: <E154hWh-0004hz-00@mail.python.org> <3B13AC2C.2040C6C3@trispen.com>
Message-ID: <022901c0e84d$f9aca160$1c64a8c0@PBN>

External Methods is the answer. The only answer where you can create py
classes and use them together with objects in zope.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerrie Roos" <gerrie@trispen.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 4:03 PM
Subject: [Zope] Py Classes in Python Script?


> I've read the 'How-To: Some Neat Tricks with dtml-tree' on www.zope.org
and came accross the part:
>
> class _dummy:
>                             def __init__(self, name):
>                                 self.name=name
>
> ...and this is exactly what I need to implement at this stage to make my
Python Script work in my dtml-tree...
>
> But, alas, it seems (like the author pointed out in a note to himself) one
cannot put this piece of code in a Zope Python Script...So
> where to put it?  I need it only for this one instance.
>
> Or how else can I pass results back to dtml-tree correctly?  As far as I
could figure, dtml-tree has to receive a list of objects, and
> these objects need attributes (eg. name) that can then be used for
dtml-tree's id parameter, and also to use within your dtml-tree
> block in dtml-var tags.
>
> And how does this all relate to the results object returned from a ZSQL
object?  Is there maybe a similar object that I can just
> instantiate with all my data, and return it?  I looked at the
Shared.DC.ZRDB.Results class, but it seemed a bit of a clumsy way to do
> it...actually my python is not good.  I'm new, okay.
>
> tnx
> gerrie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )



From ebalasba@bway.net  Tue May 29 15:56:13 2001
From: ebalasba@bway.net (Eric Balasbas)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:56:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Help on downloading data to a file
In-Reply-To: <FIEELCDBFCOFDPDMIIGFGENLCIAA.BruceP@wn.com.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.30.0105291052190.17093-100000@ida.bway.net>

Shouldn't the content type be set to 'application/octet-stream'?


Eric Balasbas
Senior Developer
eric@virtosi.com

http://www.virtosi.com/
Virtosi Ltd.
Design -- Branding -- Zope


On Tue, 29 May 2001, Bruce Pearson &/or Gwyn Ingham wrote:

> I want to download generated data to a file on the users computer when they
> press a button.
>
> The button will call a python script which will generate the data. I'm not
> sure how to get the browser to bring up a download dialog and not just
> display the data.
>
> I am trying this.
>
> data = 'This is the data that is generated.'
>
> context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Type', 'application/data')
> context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Length', len(printed))
> context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Disposition',
> 			   'inline;filename=Data.dat')
> return data
>
> This display the data in the browser, but doesn't download it.
>
> Can someone help???
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From dedmundson@bigfoot.com  Tue May 29 16:00:38 2001
From: dedmundson@bigfoot.com (dedmundson@bigfoot.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:00:38 GMT
Subject: [Zope] the "cannot rename zclass" bug ...
Message-ID: <200105291500.f4TF0bw32319@anusf.anu.edu.au>

I've seen this a number of times over the past year
and can't recall the cause or solution ...

Instances of a zclass cannot be renamed either via 
manage_renameObject or the management interface.
The zclass is not catalogaware - its base classes 
are ZObject and ZObjectManager (in that order).
I have other similar zclasses that can be
renamed without problem.  The problem seems to
be with the paste operation.  Any ideas?  

The error:
   The object X does not support this operation. 

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in 
publish_module
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in 
publish
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in 
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in 
publish
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: manage_renameObjects)
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in 
call_object
    (Object: manage_renameObjects)
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/OFS/CopySupport.py, line 286, in 
manage_renameObjects
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/OFS/CopySupport.py, line 301, in 
manage_renameObject
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /opt/zope/Zope-2.3.1/lib/python/OFS/CopySupport.py, line 444, in 
_verifyObjectPaste
    (Object: Traversable)
Copy Error: (see above)




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From tpassin@mitretek.org  Tue May 29 16:10:12 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:10:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope Fat Client Project - IE 5.5 browser freezes when accessing Source Forge
References: <001701c0e378$0f384320$6628a8c0@nowhere.com> <004101c0e3b8$343d63e0$c3090740@megapathdsl.net>
Message-ID: <00c601c0e851$75331190$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Jason Cunliffe]

> Albert you are not alone!
> I have exactly the same headache
> IE5.5 on Win89se.
> 

But I DON'T have this problem on Win98SE/IE5.5.

Tom P



From marc@bowery.com  Tue May 29 16:10:36 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:10:36 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Structured Text with Images in regular Zope?
In-Reply-To: <20010529090042.A29620@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>
Message-ID: <B739342B.2E1C1%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Mike Renfro <renfro@tntech.edu>
> 
> I'm getting tired of writing HTML for all my lab documentation, but I
> need screenshots, too. What do I need to do to get structured text
> working with inline images? I know I can just stick <img> tags in the
> file, but I'd rather not.

I concur -- it would be nice to add an easy image tag in STX.  Just as
double quotes is supposed to create a link, some other syntax to generate an
OBJECT tag (or, intelligently, IMG if an image... for, ugh, NS4
compatibility), for inclusion of images, sound, video, etc.

Perhaps, some other odd character, like '|'?



From marc@bowery.com  Tue May 29 16:16:10 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:16:10 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ImageFile in a python product
In-Reply-To: <000701c0e84c$43455670$0732c383@jfmenard>
Message-ID: <B7393579.2E1C2%marc@bowery.com>

Not sure exactly what you're doing... but if you look in OFS/Image.py you'l=
l
see a manage_addImage() function, perhaps that's what you want?

> From: Jean-Fran=E7ois M=E9nard <menard.jean-francois@hydro.qc.ca>
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:33:00 -0400
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope] ImageFile in a python product
>=20
> I'm trying to publish images from my python product.  I tried:
>=20
> image =3D ImageFile('www/myimage.gif', globals())
>=20
> Does'nt work.  I tried:
>=20
> def image(self):
> """ Return image """
> return ImageFile('www/myimage.gif', globals())
>=20
> Does'nt work either.  I looked at the mailing list archives, with no clea=
r
> response.
>=20
> How can I publish images from a python product class?
>=20
>=20



From renfro@tntech.edu  Tue May 29 16:17:24 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:17:24 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Structured Text with Images in regular Zope?
In-Reply-To: <B739342B.2E1C1%marc@bowery.com>; from marc@bowery.com on Tue, May 29, 2001 at 11:10:36AM -0400
References: <20010529090042.A29620@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu> <B739342B.2E1C1%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <20010529101724.B29699@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 11:10:36AM -0400, marc lindahl wrote:

> I concur -- it would be nice to add an easy image tag in STX.  Just
> as double quotes is supposed to create a link, some other syntax to
> generate an OBJECT tag (or, intelligently, IMG if an image... for,
> ugh, NS4 compatibility), for inclusion of images, sound, video, etc.

The syntax is already there in the code for the Zope book -- I forgot
to mention that earlier. My problem is in making the book's
StructuredText code work with regular Zope. Making it work with the
STX_Document ZClass would be even better.

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From george@dialognet.com  Tue May 29 16:24:03 2001
From: george@dialognet.com (Honey George)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:54:03 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Zope] argument passing
In-Reply-To: <52870232.990976989@BUZZER>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105292050260.3581-100000@dialognet.dialognet.com>

Hi,
    I am able to solve the problem by restarting the system. But I am
getting other strange errors. One page is giving error in a system , but
the same page is working perfectly. The error was "variable missing".
This happened many times. IS it because of the browse or it can be because
of the server. If you could help me in this regard, it will be a great
help.


Regards,
   Honey George !


On Sun, 27 May 2001, Tino Wildenhain wrote:

> Hi (Honey|George) (dont know which is the first name ;)
> 
> if the zope remains on the same system and the behaviour
> varies from one client to another I would expect something
> with the clients.
> Have you tried cleaning the cache of the browser?
> You have to close and restart the browser most times
> (at least with IE) to get the effect (there is a memory
> cache in Internetexplorer wich is not purget unless you
> restart the application)
> 
> Let me know if that helps.
> 
> The code looks ok. If you like it, you can also
> write:
> 
> <a href="http://www.somesite.com/page2.html?memname=&dtml-memname;">
> 
> please note: do not omit the sheme (http://) in front of absolute
> URLs. This leads to confusion for many browsers. Its simply wrong.
> 
> Regards
> Tino Wildenhain
> 
> --On Samstag, 26. Mai 2001 16:57 +0530 Honey George <george@dialognet.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 	I have a problem in passing arguments. If anybody knows the
> > solution please send me.
> > I am passing the argument like this
> >
> > <a hfref="www.somesite.com/page2.html?memname=<dtml-var memname>"> Page2
> > </a>
> >
> >    But when I invoke the page the url is displying like this,
> > "  www.somesite.com/page2.html?memname=memname"
> >
> > The value associated with memname is not displayed. But the same page is
> > displaying in another system correctly. I am accessing thepage from a
> > Windows NT machine using the browse IE5.0
> >
> >    If anybody knows the answer, please help me.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >   George
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > Honey George
> > Dialognet Technologies
> > Y 220, II Avenue, Anna Nagar
> > Chennai 600 040, India.
> > Ph. +91 44 6216851/ 52
> > Fax. +91 44 6216873
> > www.dialognet.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




-------------------------------
Honey George
Dialognet Technologies
Y 220, II Avenue, Anna Nagar
Chennai 600 040, India.
Ph. +91 44 6216851/ 52
Fax. +91 44 6216873
www.dialognet.com
     




From horstwald@hotmail.com  Tue May 29 16:32:25 2001
From: horstwald@hotmail.com (Horst Wald)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:32:25 -0000
Subject: [Zope] Connecting a Zope-Server to a MySQL-Server
Message-ID: <F132Q6mBySsxVY60mJW000039d5@hotmail.com>

Hi!

I'm trying to get a Zope-Server to work with a remote MySQL-Server (both 
Suse-Linux, but I could use Windows2000 as a Zope Server if necessary) - and 
that seems to be a hell of a problem. Until now everything went fairly easy, 
but now I seem to have to:

- install Python 1.5 or greater first (how do I do that?)
- ensure that I have MySQL installed on your machine, INCLUDING THE
  FILES AND LIBRARIES NECESSARY TO DEVELOP MySQL APPLICATIONS (but I
  don't know what these F&L's are and I need the MySQL-Server on a
  remote machine)
- build Zope from source
- download and install MySQLdb, a newer driver to MySQL than the one
  that comes with ZMySQLDA
- patch ZMySQLDA: copy ZMySQLDA.patch to the top-level zope dir and then
  patch -p1 <ZMySQLDA.patch it (what does that mean?)

Isn't there an easier way?

Confused

Horst
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From juliodinis@hotmail.com  Tue May 29 16:35:54 2001
From: juliodinis@hotmail.com (Júlio Dinis Silva)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:35:54 +0100
Subject: (fwd) Re: [Zope] Connecting to MS SQL
Message-ID: <F23Cwiv79U4iJIbCOtB00008890@hotmail.com>

Hi,

On winnt go to Control_Panel/Services/yourservice/startup/
and select a nt account to run the service with.
Then in the odbc dsn if you choose to connect with a NT account
the account you selected on the service will show in the
profiler, if you choose a specific sql acount then that specific account 
should appear.

Best Regards,
Julio Silva


>From: Luca Manini <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it>
>Reply-To: Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it>
>To: zope@zope.org
>Subject: (fwd) Re: [Zope] Connecting to MS SQL
>Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:04:24 +0200
>
>On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:31:56 +0200, Luca Manini
><manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it> wrote:
>
>On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:19:21 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm trying to connect to a MS SQL (7) server.
> >I read the note http://www.zope.org/Members/roberth/ZMSSQLServer
> >and I followed all the steps.
> >But I can't get connected (see error below).
>
>I do check with MS SQL Profiler.
>When I check the connection from the ODBC Manager,
>or when I open the connection from Delphi,
>the correct UserName is send to the server.
>But when I add the connection from Zope, the UserName is
>empty!!!
>
>	Help! Luca
>
>
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From wizatt@yahoo.ca  Tue May 29 16:44:10 2001
From: wizatt@yahoo.ca (Wayne Izatt)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:44:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] siteroot problem
Message-ID: <20010529154411.17430.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com>

I've used siteroot in the past, without any problems.
With ProxyPass and ProxyPassReverse, I was able to run
my beautiful zope nicely behind Apache.

Then I upgraded to zope 2.3.2

It almost works, but not quite. Unfortunately, some
weeks before upgrading Zope, I upgraded Apache, so I
no longer have my old directives to look at.

Here's how I set them up:

<IfModule mod_proxy.c>
  ProxyRequests On
  ProxyPass        /Zope/   http://127.0.0.1:8080/
  ProxyPassReverse /Zope/   http://127.0.0.1:8080/
  ProxyPass        /misc_  
http://127.0.0.1:8080/misc_
  ProxyPass        /p_      http://127.0.0.1:8080/p_
</IfModule>

and my siteroot base looks like this:

http://127.0.0.1:8080/Zope

It almost works. When I go to

http://127.0.0.1/Zope/

I get the welcome screen, minus the logo at the
bottom.

Clicking on the management link, however, takes me to
the usual management frameset, but all three documents
come up with notfound errors.

Any ideas?

ta
Wayne


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From Francois-regis.Chalaoux@sanofi-synthelabo.com  Tue May 29 16:29:32 2001
From: Francois-regis.Chalaoux@sanofi-synthelabo.com (Francois-regis Chalaoux)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:29:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope NT Service and INSTANCE_HOME
Message-ID: <"010529154016Z.WT00492. 35*/PN=Francois-regis.Chalaoux/O=RESEARCH/PRMD=SANOFI/ADMD=ATLAS/C=FR/"@MHS>

Hi,

The very good Howto at "http://www.zope.org/Members/4am/instancehome" describe a nice solution to start Zope with an another INSTANCE_HOME .

However, this solution does not to be effective with the Zope NT service : 

If you create a INSTANCE_HOME with var, Extensions, import, Products, access entities,
and you declare INSTANCE_HOME in start.bat, Zope find correctly your INSTANCE_HOME when you manually run start.bat. 

But if you start Zope as service it does not work even if you change the string INSTANCE_HOME in the NT register ?

Is there a solution to affect an another INSTANCE_HOME to Zope service ?

FR


From biemond@mxi.nl  Tue May 29 17:20:00 2001
From: biemond@mxi.nl (Pieter Biemond)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:20:00 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Migrating to Zope, Getting files in and out of Zope
Message-ID: <NEBBLDALKEJGNMCNDAFOIEPOCLAA.biemond@mxi.nl>

Hello,

I'm currently working on a project to migrate a fairly large intranet
webserver (apache on linux) to a zope webserver (linux redhat 7.1).
Because a lot of the applications/files on the old intranet are
used on a daily basis I can't make the migration in one weekend
So I need to setup a new server which I use to test all the
applications one at the time, before the old server can be taken down.

There are a number of problems I encounter:

The nicest thing would be to temporary syndicate the old website
through Zope and proxy the old server through the new server. Every
request to http://newserver/somefile.html will be handled by the
new server which retrieves http://oldserver/somefile.html and wraps
it into a standard_html_header and standard_html_footer and extracts
title and keywords correctly. Unfortuately, I didn't get this to
work properly with the Python httplib.  (see
http://www.zope.org/Members/cba/Get_External and
http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2001-February/126090.html)
Did anybody manage to get something like this working?

I am now working on the final migration and I will use a
copy script every night to copy all the files from the Apache server
to the new Zope server. During the nightly copy I want all the
binary files (gif/jpg/PDF/Word/Powerpoint and even WordPerfect-files)
to be written in a seperate repository (available to Zope through
LocalFS or ExtFile objects, see
http://www.zope.org/Members/sabaini/externalfiles-howto) Has anybody
done this before? Pittfalls I should look out for? Should I use
LocalFS or ExtFile?

I tried copying all the files in a number of ways (ftp, load_site.py
and webdav (using a windows client and using cadaver)) but all
options seem to have problems with filenames that contain spaces
(I know, you shouldn't use filenames with spaces, but people did).
I'll still have to try the suckfs-command from the ZShell Product.
Does anybody now a way to solve this problem?

Another problem: I can't copy filenames starting with an underscore.
Fortunately they don't need to be copied (they are used for Frontpage
Extentions on the old server). Are there any other things I should take
into account when using filenames in Zope? (length of filenames/directory
names,
number of files in a directory, special characters, etc.).

I'm planning of writing a how-to of all the pittfals I encountered,
and describing the best way and possibilities of migrating to a
Zope site. Any help would be appreciated.

Pieter



From stuart@opnix.com  Tue May 29 17:27:35 2001
From: stuart@opnix.com (Stuart Foster)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:27:35 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Need a good Postgres Database adapter.
Message-ID: <GFEIJGLDPMOGHDFKKPOMEEBLCAAA.stuart@opnix.com>

I've used the ZPyGresSQLDA product for a couple of years now. Yet on my new
installation of Zope with Python 2 I can't get the product installed. Anyone
know of an adapter that works with the newest Zope and Python?

Stuart



From evan@digicool.com  Tue May 29 17:34:49 2001
From: evan@digicool.com (Evan Simpson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:34:49 -0500
Subject: [Zope] siteroot problem
References: <20010529154411.17430.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00d201c0e85d$4837e880$2a01000a@evansys>

From: "Wayne Izatt" <wizatt@yahoo.ca>
> and my siteroot base looks like this:
>
> http://127.0.0.1:8080/Zope

The Base isn't supposed to have a path in it.  That's what Path is for.
Also, the Base should be set to the *external* hostname handled by
Apache:

Base: http://yoursite.com
Path: /Zope

Cheers,

Evan @ digicool



From srichter@cbu.edu  Tue May 29 17:37:13 2001
From: srichter@cbu.edu (Stephan Richter)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:37:13 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Need a good Postgres Database adapter.
In-Reply-To: <GFEIJGLDPMOGHDFKKPOMEEBLCAAA.stuart@opnix.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010529113619.03ae1240@mail.cbu.edu>

At 09:27 AM 5/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I've used the ZPyGresSQLDA product for a couple of years now. Yet on my new
>installation of Zope with Python 2 I can't get the product installed. Anyone
>know of an adapter that works with the newest Zope and Python?

I run ZPyGreSQLDA, Python 2.x and Zope 2.2.x/2.3.x since January 2001 and 
everything works fine. What is your error?

Regards,
Stephan


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CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student
Web2k - Web Design/Development & Technical Project Management



From vallen@gmx.net  Tue May 29 17:17:12 2001
From: vallen@gmx.net (Andreas Vallen)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:17:12 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZPT] ZPT advocacy
In-Reply-To: <003c01c0e815$27877580$1c64a8c0@PBN>
References: <01052814032801.02176@bluelinux> <01052821413803.02176@bluelinux> <003c01c0e815$27877580$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <01052917301100.01887@bluelinux>

Hi Peter,

your advice is much appreciated. I'll spend some time reforming it 
and trying to get clear on its purpose.
For the moment I think it should develop into a general analysis
of what it takes to build a business based on zope.
This assesment should include Zope's strength and weaknesses,
how one can capitalize on the former and ameliorate the
latter. 
Further there could be proposals on how to do client
acquisition. How to contact prospective clients and which
ones are the those that have the most to gain and are therefore
the most receptive for this technology?
Which Zope-aspects should be emphasized in marketing - how?

Given time and interest chapters regarding financing, 
marketing, hiring ... could be added. 

I'll alert you when I'm ready with rearranging things a bit.

Andreas


your message:
> No, don't make it an open ZWiki. Take responsibility of it (lock it) and
> let logged in Zope Members add comments at the bottom of the page.
>
> If I ask you: "What is your little text about?" What would you answer then?
> I meant that it isn't very clear what it's about or it's purpose. Why have
> you written it and what do you aim to conclude?
> Perhaps you should more precisly decide where you want to pour the cement
> before we start reshaping it (with comments) when it has dried in the wrong
> place :)
>
> You mentioned CMF, not a product, but a framework. I see that more and more
> products tend to store their "data" part in Python and "view" part in
> templates of some kind.
> That way you can use the "data" part as framework and rewrite the "view"
> part yourself for your own needs. And that's a very very big step in the
> right direction I reckon.
>
> Take care, Peter
>
> PS. Please don't cross post emails. Send only to zope@zope.org or only to
> zpt@zope.org
>


From fred@ontosys.com  Tue May 29 17:44:21 2001
From: fred@ontosys.com (Fred Yankowski)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:44:21 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Zope NT Service and INSTANCE_HOME
In-Reply-To: <"010529154016Z.WT00492. 35*/PN=Francois-regis.Chalaoux/O=RESEARCH/PRMD=SANOFI/ADMD=ATLAS/C=FR/"@MHS>; from Francois-regis.Chalaoux@sanofi-synthelabo.com on Tue, May 29, 2001 at 05:29:32PM +0200
References: <"010529154016Z.WT00492. 35*/PN=Francois-regis.Chalaoux/O=RESEARCH/PRMD=SANOFI/ADMD=ATLAS/C=FR/"@MHS>
Message-ID: <20010529114421.A46563@enteract.com>

On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 05:29:32PM +0200, Francois-regis Chalaoux wrote:
> But if you start Zope as service it does not work even if you change
> the string INSTANCE_HOME in the NT register ? 

It works for me when I set the 'Parameters\start' key for the Zope
service to the following value:

	"E:\PROGRA~1\ZOPE23~1\bin\python.exe" "E:\PROGRA~1\ZOPE23~1\z2.py" -S INSTANCE_HOME="e:\progra~1\ZopeHome"

I don't recall if the quotes or 8.3 folder names are essential.

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From menard.jean-francois@hydro.qc.ca  Tue May 29 17:45:53 2001
From: menard.jean-francois@hydro.qc.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_M=E9nard?=)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:45:53 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ImageFile in python class
Message-ID: <000701c0e85e$d39633e0$0732c383@jfmenard>

Thanks Marc for your response!

But...  There MUST be a better way to publish an image in a python class?

Here is what I would like to do:

class MyClass(self):
    """ Class example """

    image = ImageFile('www/image.gif', globals())
    index_html = DTMLFile('dtml/manage_myclass.dtml', globals())

    def __init__(self, id, title):
        """ Initialization of my class """
        ...

How can I use the "image" property in my "index_html" dtml file???

I tried:

<dtml-var image>  give me a broken image.

Then:

<img src="<dtml-var absolute_url>/image>

Broken image again...

I looked at the code in OFS/misc_ , with no luck...

Any help would be VERY appreciated...  I'm stuck on this problem for _too_
long now... : /

Thanks!

J-F



From jojo@farm9.com  Tue May 29 17:48:21 2001
From: jojo@farm9.com (Joh Johannsen)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:48:21 -0700
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking vs. SQLSession
Message-ID: <3B13D2D5.E07C44BB@farm9.com>

For a brief period (a day), I had BOTH CoreSessionTracking and
SQLSession maintaining session information.  At random times, the
CoreSessionTracking would totally lose ALL session data.  SQLSession did
not.  

This is CoreSessionTracking without any timeout set. 

My current understanding of this problem -- it does happen to others
(not just me), but is very rare.  The problem is not identified, is not
reproducible by any digicool tests.

I do have an environment which reproduces the problem within a short
time, and would be glad to run any version of CoreSessionTracking that
would help identify the problem.  

Currently I am running with SQLSession -- so far it has not had a single
problem.

Regards,

JJ


From chrism@digicool.com  Tue May 29 17:57:09 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:57:09 -0400
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking vs. SQLSession
References: <3B13D2D5.E07C44BB@farm9.com>
Message-ID: <3B13D4E5.F932FE81@digicool.com>

> For a brief period (a day), I had BOTH CoreSessionTracking and
> SQLSession maintaining session information.  At random times, the
> CoreSessionTracking would totally lose ALL session data.  SQLSession did
> not.

Well, one out of two isn't bad.  ;-)

> This is CoreSessionTracking without any timeout set.
> 
> My current understanding of this problem -- it does happen to others
> (not just me), but is very rare.  The problem is not identified, is not
> reproducible by any digicool tests.

To be pedantic, it's not "any digicool tests", it's "any Chris McDonough
tests" (CoreSessionTracking is badly named, I should have thought before
presuming I could smuggle it into the core in a reasonable amount of
time ;-).  But yes.  I wrote several complicated test cases which fire
off a bunch of reader and writer threads and do a funny dance with
aborts and such, and don't see the problem.  I also tried testing
manually, and didn't see any of the symptoms being reported.  
 
> I do have an environment which reproduces the problem within a short
> time, and would be glad to run any version of CoreSessionTracking that
> would help identify the problem.

Thank you.   I think my next step is to instrument CST with debugging
statements that go to the log, and ask someone in the community who is
having these problems to run it for a while and attempt to associate the
debug statements with the problems.  I have no ETA for the
debug-instrumented version.

> Currently I am running with SQLSession -- so far it has not had a single
> problem.

I'm glad you got something to work, I apologize for your problems with
CST.

- C


From Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>  Tue May 29 17:54:39 2001
From: Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net> (Oliver Bleutgen)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:54:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Zope]_the_=22cannot_rename_zclass=22_bug_=2E=2E=2E?=
Message-ID: <E154mwS-0003jK-00@mail.python.org>

> I've seen this a number of times over the past year
> and can't recall the cause or solution ...

> Instances of a zclass cannot be renamed either via
> manage_renameObject or the management interface.
> The zclass is not catalogaware - its base classes
> are ZObject and ZObjectManager (in that order).
> I have other similar zclasses that can be
> renamed without problem.  The problem seems to
> be with the paste operation.  Any ideas?

Hi,

is there any chance that the string in
the management interface of your zclass,
tab "Basic", field "Meta Type" is different
from the "Add list Name" of your zclass's
factory?
If yes, correct that and I think it will
work.
Btw. does anybody know the exact meaning of
these two zclass related properties?

cheers,
oliver





From zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at>  Tue May 29 18:23:36 2001
From: zope-mailinglist <zope-mailinglist@mopa.at> (zope-mailinglist)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:23:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ImageFile in python class
References: <000701c0e85e$d39633e0$0732c383@jfmenard>
Message-ID: <000a01c0e864$19a15130$6400a8c0@monty>

i dont know for shure but does this work?:
index_html = DTMLFile('dtml/manage_myclass.dtml', globals())

it should mean:
index_html = DTMLFile('dtml/manage_myclass', globals())

there is no need for the dtml extension

the image stuff is right but, remember that the path is relative to the
modules home


class MyClass(self):

this means that you inherit from self ?!



from OFS import Folder

class MyClass(Folder.Folder):

try this - i think that you have to inherit from some zope object
and add this object via the zmi or via python

good luck



the

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean-François Ménard" <menard.jean-francois@hydro.qc.ca>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:45 PM
Subject: [Zope] ImageFile in python class


> Thanks Marc for your response!
>
> But...  There MUST be a better way to publish an image in a python class?
>
> Here is what I would like to do:
>
> class MyClass(self):
>     """ Class example """
>
>     image = ImageFile('www/image.gif', globals())
>     index_html = DTMLFile('dtml/manage_myclass.dtml', globals())
>
>     def __init__(self, id, title):
>         """ Initialization of my class """
>         ...
>
> How can I use the "image" property in my "index_html" dtml file???
>
> I tried:
>
> <dtml-var image>  give me a broken image.
>
> Then:
>
> <img src="<dtml-var absolute_url>/image>
>
> Broken image again...
>
> I looked at the code in OFS/misc_ , with no luck...
>
> Any help would be VERY appreciated...  I'm stuck on this problem for _too_
> long now... : /
>
> Thanks!
>
> J-F
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From marc@bowery.com  Tue May 29 18:31:01 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:31:01 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ImageFile in python class
In-Reply-To: <000a01c0e864$19a15130$6400a8c0@monty>
Message-ID: <B7395515.2E1FF%marc@bowery.com>

> 
> class MyClass(self):
> 
> this means that you inherit from self ?!
>

Yikes!

I *highly* recommend reading "the Quick Python book" by Harms and McDonald
-- it'll get you going on python programming, quick!



From jojo@farm9.com  Tue May 29 18:33:22 2001
From: jojo@farm9.com (Joh Johannsen)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:33:22 -0700
Subject: [Zope] CoreSessionTracking vs. SQLSession
References: <3B13D2D5.E07C44BB@farm9.com> <3B13D4E5.F932FE81@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <3B13DD62.17FD18A@farm9.com>

Chris McDonough wrote:
...
> 
> > This is CoreSessionTracking without any timeout set.
> >
> > My current understanding of this problem -- it does happen to others
> > (not just me), but is very rare.  The problem is not identified, is not
> > reproducible by any digicool tests.
> 
> To be pedantic, it's not "any digicool tests", it's "any Chris McDonough
> tests" (CoreSessionTracking is badly named, I should have thought before
> presuming I could smuggle it into the core in a reasonable amount of
> time ;-).  But yes.  I wrote several complicated test cases which fire
> off a bunch of reader and writer threads and do a funny dance with
> aborts and such, and don't see the problem.  I also tried testing
> manually, and didn't see any of the symptoms being reported.
> 

Whoops, yep, it was that name that confused me (and that email address!)

> > I do have an environment which reproduces the problem within a short
> > time, and would be glad to run any version of CoreSessionTracking that
> > would help identify the problem.
> 
> Thank you.   I think my next step is to instrument CST with debugging
> statements that go to the log, and ask someone in the community who is
> having these problems to run it for a while and attempt to associate the
> debug statements with the problems.  I have no ETA for the
> debug-instrumented version.
> 

Thanks, I'd really like this.  I prefer CoreSessionTracking for lots of
reasons (timeout, in memory, garbage collection).  I can live with
SQLSession for a while until then.

Regards,

JJ


From Sven.Syld@stat.ee  Tue May 29 17:32:13 2001
From: Sven.Syld@stat.ee (Sven Syld)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:32:13 +0300
Subject: [Zope] IOError
Message-ID: <sb13f950.034@mailgate.statsise>

Hello,

My Zope has given me "IO error" last few days.

Here's a fragment from traceback:
/---/
  File D:\PROGRA~1\Intra\lib\python\tempfile.py, line 110, in mktemp
  File D:\PROGRA~1\Intra\lib\python\tempfile.py, line 68, in gettempdir
/end/

As the disk where temporary files are to be put was full I set environment =
variables TEMP=3DD:\TEMP and TMP=3DD:\TEMP . Gettempdir suggests that it =
uses these variables. But no use.

Any help would be helpful

Platform is NT 4.0, Zope version is 2.3.2.


Sven



From michel@digicool.com  Tue May 29 18:34:18 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:34:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Structured Text with Images in regular Zope?
In-Reply-To: <20010529101724.B29699@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105291018260.15524-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 29 May 2001, Mike Renfro wrote:

> On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 11:10:36AM -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
> 
> > I concur -- it would be nice to add an easy image tag in STX.  Just
> > as double quotes is supposed to create a link, some other syntax to
> > generate an OBJECT tag (or, intelligently, IMG if an image... for,
> > ugh, NS4 compatibility), for inclusion of images, sound, video, etc.
> 
> The syntax is already there in the code for the Zope book -- I forgot
> to mention that earlier. My problem is in making the book's
> StructuredText code work with regular Zope. Making it work with the
> STX_Document ZClass would be even better.

The book code is in Zope too, it's just not exposed in any way.  You would
have to do your processing in an external method.

Zope does a really poor job of exposing stx to users.  The only interface
is <dtml-var fmt=structured-text> and that sucks for a few reasons:

  You can't use other input parser, like for images.

  You can't use other outputs, like docbook

  The stx is turned into a dom and transformed every time, instead of
  being cached, making it slow.

I had written a pure python product called STXDocument that exposed all of
this functionality through an API and addable object.  Someone at DC
however, probably mistakenly, deleted it from the CVS repository (or moved
it to where I can't find it) without informing me, so it's gone.

I suggest using an External Method to hack you way to the
StructuredText.HTMLWithImages.HTMLWithImages class.  The syntax is similar
to a link in stx:

"Image alt tag contents":img:/path/to/image

-Michel



From marc@bowery.com  Tue May 29 18:36:00 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:36:00 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ImageFile in python class
In-Reply-To: <000701c0e85e$d39633e0$0732c383@jfmenard>
Message-ID: <B739563F.2E200%marc@bowery.com>

It's unclear what you're actually trying to accomplish....
are you:
1. trying to create (instantiate) images for general use in zope (e.g. your
python method is creating a bunch of stuff like a template)
2. trying to create a zope object which contains images (somehow, doesn't
that sound like a folder?  well, it could be a new datatype, like JPicture)
3. trying to create a special type of image object?

for 1., consider making a template folder somewhere, and a script to copy
the whole folder to the new place and rename it....
for 2. or 3., perhaps take a look at the guts of the JPicture product, whic=
h
takes Image and extends it so the object can contain two images


> From: Jean-Fran=E7ois M=E9nard <menard.jean-francois@hydro.qc.ca>
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:45:53 -0400
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope] ImageFile in python class
>=20
> Thanks Marc for your response!
>=20
> But...  There MUST be a better way to publish an image in a python class?
>=20
> Here is what I would like to do:
>=20
> class MyClass(self):
> """ Class example """
>=20
> image =3D ImageFile('www/image.gif', globals())
> index_html =3D DTMLFile('dtml/manage_myclass.dtml', globals())
>=20
> def __init__(self, id, title):
> """ Initialization of my class """
> ...
>=20
> How can I use the "image" property in my "index_html" dtml file???
>=20
> I tried:
>=20
> <dtml-var image>  give me a broken image.
>=20
> Then:
>=20
> <img src=3D"<dtml-var absolute_url>/image>
>=20
> Broken image again...
>=20
> I looked at the code in OFS/misc_ , with no luck...
>=20
> Any help would be VERY appreciated...  I'm stuck on this problem for _too=
_
> long now... : /
>=20
> Thanks!
>=20
> J-F
>=20
>=20
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From menard.jean-francois@hydro.qc.ca  Tue May 29 18:42:36 2001
From: menard.jean-francois@hydro.qc.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_M=E9nard?=)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:42:36 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ImageFile in python class
Message-ID: <001101c0e866$bfd6d690$0732c383@jfmenard>

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No!!!  Sorry, I was too absorbed by my problem...  I'm absolutely not a =
guru, but...  ;))

Anyway, I found the problem...  And now, it work!  So, thanks, and =
again, sorry!=20



-----Message d'origine-----

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>=20

> class MyClass(self):

>=20

> this means that you inherit from self ?!

>

Yikes!

I *highly* recommend reading "the Quick Python book" by Harms and =
McDonald

-- it'll get you going on python programming, quick!



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From robert@redcor.ch  Tue May 29 19:20:30 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:20:30 +0200
Subject: [Zope] extracting a series of pages out of a Zope database?
References: <15119.58633.993999.915520@beluga.mojam.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c0e86c$0b3d1b80$43a4023e@karin>

untar the binary distributon in any directory.
type ./install
have a coffee
come back and type ./start -u root
you are set

robert
PS: if you start with -u user  Zope has the priviledges of the user you
supplied.
----- Original Message -----
From: <skip@pobox.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 7:16 PM
Subject: [Zope] extracting a series of pages out of a Zope database?


> I took down a machine (and reinstalled Linux from scratch) on a machine
that
> had been running Zope.  I need to extract a set of pages out of the
> database.  How can I go about that without going through the rigamarole of
> installing and running Zope?
>
> Thx,
>
> --
> Skip Montanaro (skip@pobox.com)
> (847)971-7098
>
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From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Tue May 29 19:47:23 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:47:23 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B33D@desi2>

Why not try a try/except statement, instead of an if/else... unless someone
knows of another way to do this...

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Bengtsson [mailto:mail@peterbe.com]
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 3:15 AM
To: Tom Deprez; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Python Scripts


What was wrong with
if hasattr(context,'coffeebreak'):
    print "have coffee"
?

This is almost the equivalent of DTML's
<dtml-if coffeebreak>

Assuming your completely skip the REQUEST object out there.

It doesn't have to be 'context' like above or 'self' in External Method.
You can even do this one any Zope object.
if has(context.folder['document.html'], 'coffeebreak'):
  print "had coffee"



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:38 AM
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts


> Hi,
>
> How can we in the python script check if the a certain variable exists in
> the namespace?
>
> ie. We can get the value of a variable by using context.myvar or
> context['myvar'], but both will return an error when the myvar doesn't
> exists. Now, how can you check if it exists?
>
> I tried several things, like context.hasattr('myvar') or
> context.has_key('myvar') , _hasattr(), _.hasattr() ... etc, but none seem
to
> work. Can somebody tell me if it even is possible? Thanks.
>
> Tom.
>
>
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From jasonic@panix.com  Tue May 29 23:41:22 2001
From: jasonic@panix.com (Jason Cunliffe)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:41:22 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Structured Text with Images in regular Zope?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105291018260.15524-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <001501c0e890$7cf2de80$cc090740@megapathdsl.net>

"Michel Pelletier" <michel@digicool.com> wrote:

> I had written a pure python product called STXDocument that exposed all of
> this functionality through an API and addable object.  Someone at DC
> however, probably mistakenly, deleted it from the CVS repository (or moved
> it to where I can't find it) without informing me, so it's gone.

Google says it is here
http://cvs.zope.org/Zope2/lib/python/Products/STXDocument/Attic/

hth
./Jason



From pub-01@yodas-hut.dsl.csolutions.net  Tue May 29 22:18:02 2001
From: pub-01@yodas-hut.dsl.csolutions.net (pub-01@yodas-hut.dsl.csolutions.net)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:18:02 -0000
Subject: [Zope] HELP:Z Class subobject problem
Message-ID: <20010529211802.13770AD@yodas-hut.dsl.csolutions.net>

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I am new to Zope and I have created a Z class that will contain 
database connection objects and Z SQL methods.

I used the web interface to create a product and a z class that inherits 
ZObjectManager. Then in the subojects view I selected the database 
connection objects that I want to be able to add to the object and 
leave the  'objects should appear in folder list'  checkbox checked.

The problem is when I create an instance of the Z class and try to add 
a database connection from the list of items(right now there is PoPy 
and ZGadfly in the list) to the instance. It creates the connection 
object, but it puts it in the parent folder (folder containing the Z class 
instead) of the Z class. 

What am I doing wrong here?


regards,

Eugene


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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Tue May 29 22:15:45 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:15:45 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts
References: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B33D@desi2>
Message-ID: <3B141181.D8BC8207@kaivo.com>

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be>
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:38 AM
> Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > How can we in the python script check if the a certain variable exists in
> > the namespace?
> >
> > ie. We can get the value of a variable by using context.myvar or
> > context['myvar'], but both will return an error when the myvar doesn't
> > exists. Now, how can you check if it exists?
> >
> > I tried several things, like context.hasattr('myvar') or
> > context.has_key('myvar') , _hasattr(), _.hasattr() ... etc, but none seem
> to
> > work. Can somebody tell me if it even is possible? Thanks.
> >
> > Tom.
> >
> >

perhaps try:

hasattr(context, 'myvar')
_.has_key('my_var')

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From huima@fountainpark.org  Tue May 29 21:26:46 2001
From: huima@fountainpark.org (Heimo Laukkanen)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:26:46 +0300
Subject: [Zope] Best practice to keep userinfo in MySql, session management and per-user
 data?
Message-ID: <3B140606.E2BE8A8E@fountainpark.org>

First of all I have to say WOW. Thank you guys at Digicool for creating
amazing toll like Zope, and thank you people for writing nice howto's to
help newbies. I started working with Zope about three weeks ago and now
I am building two intranets and clients website with Zope. Here are some
questions that I would like to get answered.

1. Userdata ( passwords, roles , etc. ) in database

MySqlUserFolder seems to be a product that has been recently updated and
under development. Has anyone stumbled into problems with this product,
and/or is there some other product that I should be using? LoginManager,
UserDB-folder?

Comments truly appreciated, since I need solutions quite fast and would
not like to waste time in too many unnecessary efforts.

2. Session management and storing user-data

While doing development with PHP I got used to the sessions, which were
done quite nicely in php4 - meaning support for cookies and url-rewrite.
I noticed that there is development in Zope also to support sessions,
but reading documents is quite confusing and finding the latest status
of development is hard. It seems that cookie-support is ok, but is there
yet URL-rewrite - and will there be one?

What is the best way to start using session-management now? It seems
that also mysqluser-folder has some sort of session management. What is
the best practise to start development - and what will the development
of session management be in future?

What is the best way to store data about the user in Zope, meaning about
preferences user has, likes and dislikes etc. I know this could be done
with relational database or creating an object for each user - and keep
info in attributes etc. Once again -- help needed to get me on my way.


3. Multilanguage sites / products

zzLocal seems to atleast one tool to do this. What is the best practise
to start developing multilanguage sites and products? 

4. Smb-userfolder

Sound cool, has anyone this on production use? I'm not that familiar
with windows-nt credentials, but I assume that these work only in NT and
w2000? What I am trying to do is to run cool authentication for
intranet, but our network has users with W2000, Linux and 98 machines. 

If anyone could pointout to a microsoft-link about this topic I would
also appreciate.


Well that was a bunch of questions for now. If you can help, thank you
in advance!

-huima


From cpr@emsoftware.com  Tue May 29 22:15:09 2001
From: cpr@emsoftware.com (Chris Ryland)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:15:09 -0400
Subject: [Zope] standard_error_message
Message-ID: <02b801c0e884$83446a80$6901a8c0@EM2>

(I guess no one's interested, so I'm digging further.)

It now appears from a Zope 2.3.0 source perusal that no one actually uses
the standard_error_message DTML method -- a comment in HTTPResponse.py for
the _error_html() method says

# XXX could this try to use standard_error_message somehow?

That leads me to believe that it's not officially supported.

However, I do note that it must be used *somewhere*, because my
standard_html_header and _footer get into the act somehow, and those are
only invoked from standard_error_message.

Then again, modifying standard_error_message to add some identifying marks
(e.g., "Foo!") to see if it's being invoked don't result in those marks
being visible.

There's something very fishy here. Could some kind DC employee clear up this
mess for me?
--
Cheers!
Chris Ryland
Em Software, Inc.
www.emsoftware.com




From chris123@magma.ca  Tue May 29 23:25:29 2001
From: chris123@magma.ca (Chris Herrnberger)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:25:29 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZBabel Issues
Message-ID: <20010529213200.LLLO23331.femail4.rdc1.on.home.com@there>

Starting out with ZBabel to tranlate a test site and ran into some issues. 
(nubie alert). 

The latest ZBabel's readme indicates the presence of a ZBabel.sql file to 
setup MySQL. This file was only found in ver. 0.0.3 and not present in the 
current release. 

Ok installed that..and installed ZBabel tower in Zope232/python1.5 Creating a 
very simple test page an including the <dtm-var> tags as described results in 
the following errors.

1. Test Page DMTL 

<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-babel src=en dist=fr literal='1'>
<h2><dtml-var title_or_id></h2>
<p>
This is the <dtml-var id> Document.
</p>
</dtml-babel>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>	

2. Error  Messages from ZBabelTower 


-- 
Best 

Chris


From cpr@emsoftware.com  Tue May 29 22:40:03 2001
From: cpr@emsoftware.com (Chris Ryland)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:40:03 -0400
Subject: [Zope] why no <br> equivalent in structured text?
Message-ID: <02c901c0e887$fdd35b50$6901a8c0@EM2>

Or am I missing something?

(I.e., is there a way to force a line break without starting a new paragraph
in structured text?)
--
Cheers!
Chris Ryland
Em Software, Inc.
www.emsoftware.com




From chris123@magma.ca  Tue May 29 23:25:29 2001
From: chris123@magma.ca (Chris Herrnberger)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:25:29 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZBabel Issues
Message-ID: <20010529214630.JXGH8199.femail3.rdc1.on.home.com@there>

Starting out with ZBabel to tranlate a test site and ran into some issues. 
(nubie alert). 

The latest ZBabel's readme indicates the presence of a ZBabel.sql file to 
setup MySQL. This file was only found in ver. 0.0.3 and not present in the 
current release. 

Ok installed that..and installed ZBabel tower in Zope232/python1.5 Creating a 
very simple test page an including the <dtm-var> tags as described results in 
the following errors.

1. Test Page DMTL 

<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-babel src=en dist=fr literal='1'>
<h2><dtml-var title_or_id></h2>
<p>
This is the <dtml-var id> Document.
</p>
</dtml-babel>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>	

2. Error  Messages from ZBabelTower 


-- 
Best 

Chris



From chris123@magma.ca  Tue May 29 23:39:59 2001
From: chris123@magma.ca (Chris Herrnberger)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZBabel Issues
Message-ID: <20010529214637.JXIM8199.femail3.rdc1.on.home.com@there>

With apologies, as the above message squeeked out befor completing it. 
______


Starting out with ZBabel to translate a test page and ran into some issues. 
(nubie alert). Intend is to create a dual language en/fr site.

The latest ZBabel's readme indicates the presence of a ZBabel.sql file to 
setup MySQL. This file was only found in ver. 0.0.3 and not present in the 
current release. 

Ok installed that .sql file then installed and tested ZMySQL adapter and 
installed ZBabel tower in Zope232/python1.5 Creating a very simple test page 
and including the <dtm-babel> tags as described results in the following 
errors.

1. eg: Test Page

id=testpage
Title=Test English Page

<dtml-var standard_html_header>
<dtml-babel src=en dist=fr literal='1'>
<h2><dtml-var title_or_id></h2>
<p>
This is the <dtml-var id> Document.
</p>
</dtml-babel>
<dtml-var standard_html_footer>	

2. Error Messages from ZBabelTower when translating the page from en to fr=> 
Error Type: OperationalError
                   Error Value: (1064, "You have an error in your SQL syntax 
near 'SELECT md5hash\012 FROM phrases\012 WHERE lang='fr' )\012 AND lang = 
'en' ; ' at line 4")

Further: the lables and initTables/View tabs from the management interface 
generate errors as well when viewed. 

Could someone point me in the right direction as to where I should look to 
sort this out. 

-- 
Best and many thanks

Chris


From chris123@magma.ca  Tue May 29 23:46:42 2001
From: chris123@magma.ca (Chris Herrnberger)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:46:42 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Apology
Message-ID: <20010529215312.KORN6962.femail1.rdc1.on.home.com@there>

Sorry to all for loading the list with triple post. Kmail beta 2.2alpha1 is 
giving me some obviouse issues.

-- 
Best 

Chris


From huima@fountainpark.org  Tue May 29 22:09:39 2001
From: huima@fountainpark.org (Heimo Laukkanen)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:09:39 +0300
Subject: [Zope] Zope success-stories -- why you used Zope?
Message-ID: <3B141013.37E5BB5E@fountainpark.org>

Hi all,

I just a moment ago sent a bunch of questions and here are couple of
more, but about different subject. I am doing development of two
intranets at the moment, and the development along some other work is
going to be my thesis to Espoo-Vantaa institute of technology. I would
like to know about other peoples successes with Zope and reasons to
choose Zope as the development platform, possibly even later on to
intervue by email or irc about this issue -- so that I could write with
broader view about choosing Zope. For me and a assume most of the staff
at our institute Zope is not that familiar and therefore it would be
cool to include also notes from other developers why they started
development with this tool and not with Perl, php, Coldfusion,
Webobjects or some other application server.

For me the reasons to use zope were quite clear: easy, powerfull, open
source and even though documentation is hard ( compared to php ) and
Python was not familiar, learning curve has been amazing. For me it
really seems that Zope rocks!

-huima


From geniusj@bluenugget.net  Tue May 29 23:01:48 2001
From: geniusj@bluenugget.net (Jason DiCioccio)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:01:48 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Complicated mix of http, https, and ProxyPass
Message-ID: <20010529150148.A92425@bluenugget.net>

I'm having quite the issue right now and am wondering if there is a workaround
for it. (let me know if i'm posting to the wrong place)

Basically my setup is as follows:

I have apache 1.3.19/mod_ssl running with ProxyPass setup for /Zope to
"localhost:9080.."  I want, however, */manage to always go over SSL.  I already
have it setup to block non-ssl attempts to */manage with FilesMatch rules in
apache.  I don't want the rest of the site to go require SSL, but the only way,
apparently to have */manage use SSL is to have a siteroot object with the base
set to https.  This makes every link that uses that dtml variable use https.

Is there any way I could only have admin interface require SSL?  Without having
the rest of the site do so?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
-Jason DiCioccio (geniusj@bluenugget.net)


From vekn@msn.com  Tue May 29 23:07:47 2001
From: vekn@msn.com (Eric Roby)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:07:47 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Building Special Document Classes
Message-ID: <OE156FLHGALrT7sErVw00017268@hotmail.com>

At the risk of asking a stupid question or what must seem obvious ... it no
longer is to me.

My current project requires that I create different document classes.  I
need for them to be CatalogAware, editable through the management interface
and fully renderable.  I have been able to create a structured document
ZClass, but I have not been able to create an HTML document ZClass that is
both CatalogAware and renderable.  If I create a ZClass that is based on
CatalogAware and DTMLDocument, use the default manage_main method for the
Edit View, the instance is rendered properly but the Catalog is not updated
(as I would expect).  If I create my own method (to kick-off the
reindex_object method) and hook it to the Edit View, I can update the
Catalog but the document instance is no longer renderable (I get a file
download dialog).

My first attempt at the HTML document class was just to use CatalogAware as
my base class and hand build my constructors and class methods.  I ended up
with a document class that was CatalogAware and renderable, however the HTML
tags were wrapped in brackets when viewed.  So obviously the DTMLDocument
class tells the ZPublisher to render it as HTML.  This detail is not obvious
to me - looking at the code.

I know that there is an HTMLDocument product available but it was not
designed to allow editing/composing TTW, only file upload.

I have read the new Zope Book, all the How-To's, tried to read the code, but
nothing that I have seen explains what I am doing wrong.  This is a very
fundamental aspect of Zope that I need to get past and should be able to get
from the available literature.

Anyone have any insight - thoughts - experiences - pointers - directions ...

Thanks in advance.

Eric


From srichter@cbu.edu  Tue May 29 23:17:25 2001
From: srichter@cbu.edu (Stephan Richter)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:17:25 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZBabel Issues
In-Reply-To: <20010529213200.LLLO23331.femail4.rdc1.on.home.com@there>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010529171227.00a1ea20@mail.cbu.edu>

Hello Chris,

I am very sorry that you could not get it to run right away. It is right, 
that I did not include a MySQL compliant version, but the problem is easily 
solved. All you need to do is to change the ZBabelSQL.py file a little:
The first string in the file creates the DB table. You simply need to 
change the CREATE statement to MySQL compliant syntax.

If the error remains, please send me the error message again, so that I can 
fix it (WARNING: I am not using MySQL, so I do not know much about the 
error the DB can throw.)

Regards,
Stephan

--
Stephan Richter
CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student
Web2k - Web Design/Development & Technical Project Management



From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Tue May 29 23:18:27 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:18:27 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZEO start.py fails to start ZSS on Debian...
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B341@desi2>

I am running Debian testing (SPARC) with the 2.3.2-2 Zope deb, trying to
install ZEO, and am hung up on the storage server install becuase, even in
the simplest of cases, I cannot get lib/python/ZEO/start.py to do
anything... I get the same issue with ZEO 1.0b1 and 1.0b3.  There are a
bunch of
	try: ...
	except: pass
statements in the start.py code, and I'm sure I'm getting hit with one of
them; it's too bad there are not more debugging messages in there...  

Since there are no tracebacks, below is the best I have (a shell transcript)

Under Debian, Zope is installed at /usr/lib/zope as a program root (and thus
ZEO, unpacked here, with ZEO1.0b3/ZEO copied to lib/python, so that there is
a lib/python/ZEO).  /var/lib/zope is the instance home and contains a var
(/var/lib/zope/var) directory with Data.fs, log, and pid files.

Any help/thoughts would be appreciated...

Sean

----------------------------------------------------------

dbstore1:/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZEO# echo $INSTANCE_HOME
/var/lib/zope
dbstore1:/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZEO# python start.py -D \
			-U /var/lib/zope/var/ZEO.soc -u www-data
dbstore1:/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZEO# ps -Aef
UID        PID  PPID  C STIME TTY          TIME CMD
root         1     0  0 May28 ?        00:00:16 init
root         2     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 [powerd]
root         3     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:05 [kflushd]
root         4     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:03 [kupdate]
root         5     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 [kswapd]
root         6     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 [keventd]
daemon      84     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/portmap
root       148     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/syslogd
root       151     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/klogd
root       165     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
daemon     256     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/atd
root       259     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cron
web        262     1  0 May28 ttyS0    00:00:00 -bash
root       263   262  0 May28 ttyS0    00:00:00 -su
root      3629   263  0 15:01 ttyS0    00:00:00 ps -Aef
dbstore1:/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZEO# 

Sean

=========================
Sean Upton
Senior Programmer/Analyst
SignOnSanDiego.com
The San Diego Union-Tribune
619.718.5241
sean.upton@uniontrib.com
=========================


From michel@digicool.com  Tue May 29 23:31:06 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:31:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] why no <br> equivalent in structured text?
In-Reply-To: <02c901c0e887$fdd35b50$6901a8c0@EM2>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105291530120.15524-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 29 May 2001, Chris Ryland wrote:

> Or am I missing something?
> 
> (I.e., is there a way to force a line break without starting a new paragraph
> in structured text?)

Nope.  I'm not sure all output formats have the equivalent to HTML's
<br>.  Of course, if you *know* you're only going to turn your stx into
html, then you can just manually insert <br> in your stx.

-Michel



From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Wed May 30 00:01:17 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:01:17 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZEO start.py fails to start ZSS on Debian...
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B345@desi2>

More weirdness: this works on my Debian/Intel (unstable) box (PIII/SMP) with
the same version of Zope; libc6 version and zope versions are the same
version number.  But it still won't work on my Sun E450 running Debian/Sparc
testing... I'm wondering if this is a platform issue (i.e. endian
issues???), or might it be something else?

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com [mailto:sean.upton@uniontrib.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 3:18 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: [Zope] ZEO start.py fails to start ZSS on Debian...


I am running Debian testing (SPARC) with the 2.3.2-2 Zope deb, trying to
install ZEO, and am hung up on the storage server install becuase, even in
the simplest of cases, I cannot get lib/python/ZEO/start.py to do
anything... I get the same issue with ZEO 1.0b1 and 1.0b3.  There are a
bunch of
	try: ...
	except: pass
statements in the start.py code, and I'm sure I'm getting hit with one of
them; it's too bad there are not more debugging messages in there...  

Since there are no tracebacks, below is the best I have (a shell transcript)

Under Debian, Zope is installed at /usr/lib/zope as a program root (and thus
ZEO, unpacked here, with ZEO1.0b3/ZEO copied to lib/python, so that there is
a lib/python/ZEO).  /var/lib/zope is the instance home and contains a var
(/var/lib/zope/var) directory with Data.fs, log, and pid files.

Any help/thoughts would be appreciated...

Sean

----------------------------------------------------------

dbstore1:/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZEO# echo $INSTANCE_HOME
/var/lib/zope
dbstore1:/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZEO# python start.py -D \
			-U /var/lib/zope/var/ZEO.soc -u www-data
dbstore1:/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZEO# ps -Aef
UID        PID  PPID  C STIME TTY          TIME CMD
root         1     0  0 May28 ?        00:00:16 init
root         2     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 [powerd]
root         3     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:05 [kflushd]
root         4     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:03 [kupdate]
root         5     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 [kswapd]
root         6     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 [keventd]
daemon      84     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/portmap
root       148     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/syslogd
root       151     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/klogd
root       165     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
daemon     256     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/atd
root       259     1  0 May28 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cron
web        262     1  0 May28 ttyS0    00:00:00 -bash
root       263   262  0 May28 ttyS0    00:00:00 -su
root      3629   263  0 15:01 ttyS0    00:00:00 ps -Aef
dbstore1:/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZEO# 

Sean

=========================
Sean Upton
Senior Programmer/Analyst
SignOnSanDiego.com
The San Diego Union-Tribune
619.718.5241
sean.upton@uniontrib.com
=========================

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From srichter@cbu.edu  Wed May 30 00:11:15 2001
From: srichter@cbu.edu (Stephan Richter)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:11:15 -0500
Subject: [Zope] ZBabel Issues
In-Reply-To: <20010529225340.VJSB11988.femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there
 >
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010529171227.00a1ea20@mail.cbu.edu>
 <5.0.2.1.0.20010529171227.00a1ea20@mail.cbu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010529180719.033866f0@mail.cbu.edu>

>Here is the process I followed to install ZBabel.
>1.      Installed 0.9.90
>2.      Installed .sql file from 0.03
>3.      created db in Mysql called Phrases and installed xxx.sql file (0.0.3)
>4       created Zope db adapter to db Phrases
>5.      Installed product instance of ZBabel

Yeah, all is cool here. BTW, if you use PostGreSQL, you can now initialize 
the table directly in the ZMI. It is simply another management tab there. 
Mmmh, in the next release I will provide a PostGreSQL and MySQL version of 
the table init SQL.

>error messages are as follows upon translating
>
>Error Type: OperationalError
>                    Error Value: (1064, "You have an error in your SQL syntax
>near 'SELECT md5hash\012 FROM phrases\012 WHERE lang='fr' )\012 AND lang =
>'en' ; ' at line 4")

I think the ';' (semicolon) is too much for MySQL. Just delete it from the 
queries. If this is the mistake, then I will remove them for the next version.

Regards,
Stephan

--
Stephan Richter
CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student
Web2k - Web Design/Development & Technical Project Management



From stuart@opnix.com  Wed May 30 00:21:44 2001
From: stuart@opnix.com (Stuart Foster)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:21:44 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Need a good Postgres Database adapter.
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010529113619.03ae1240@mail.cbu.edu>
Message-ID: <GFEIJGLDPMOGHDFKKPOMIEBNCAAA.stuart@opnix.com>

When Zope starts I get the error
ImportError: /etc/zope/lib/python/Products/ZPyGreSQLDA/_pgmodules.o:
undefined symbol PyObject_Init

-----Original Message-----
From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
Stephan Richter
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:37 AM
To: Stuart Foster; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Need a good Postgres Database adapter.


At 09:27 AM 5/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I've used the ZPyGresSQLDA product for a couple of years now. Yet on my new
>installation of Zope with Python 2 I can't get the product installed.
Anyone
>know of an adapter that works with the newest Zope and Python?

I run ZPyGreSQLDA, Python 2.x and Zope 2.2.x/2.3.x since January 2001 and
everything works fine. What is your error?

Regards,
Stephan


--
Stephan Richter
CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student
Web2k - Web Design/Development & Technical Project Management


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From bill@libc.org  Wed May 30 01:13:33 2001
From: bill@libc.org (Bill Anderson)
Date: 29 May 2001 18:13:33 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Need a good Postgres Database adapter.
In-Reply-To: <GFEIJGLDPMOGHDFKKPOMEEBLCAAA.stuart@opnix.com>
References: <GFEIJGLDPMOGHDFKKPOMEEBLCAAA.stuart@opnix.com>
Message-ID: <991181613.1889.2.camel@locutus>

On 29 May 2001 09:27:35 -0700, Stuart Foster wrote:
> I've used the ZPyGresSQLDA product for a couple of years now. Yet on my new
> installation of Zope with Python 2 I can't get the product installed. Anyone
> know of an adapter that works with the newest Zope and Python?

mmmm ...psycop and ZPsycopDA ...mmmmm




From technology@mylinuxisp.com  Wed May 30 02:30:26 2001
From: technology@mylinuxisp.com (technology@mylinuxisp.com)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 01:30:26 -0000
Subject: [Zope] help manage_changeproperties()
Message-ID: <200105300130.UAA19735@web.mylinuxisp.com>

Hey Guys:

I have instances of a zclass from a product of meta type 'story'.

I these instances have a property of type text.

I am attempting to update the 'story_title' property of this object.

These objects are stored in the folder 'entries'.

I am passing story_id and story title from a form to a dtml method.

Here is the code for the dtml method.
I get no errors.


Thanks

cj

<dtml-with entries>

<dtml-in  "objectValues(['story'])">
<dtml-if  "id == story_id"> 


<dtml-call "manage_changeProperties( story_title = REQUEST['story_title'])">

</dtml-if>
</dtml-in>

</dtml-with>



From BruceP@wn.com.au  Wed May 30 02:25:40 2001
From: BruceP@wn.com.au (Bruce Pearson &/or Gwyn Ingham)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:25:40 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Help on downloading data to a file
In-Reply-To: <FIEELCDBFCOFDPDMIIGFGENLCIAA.BruceP@wn.com.au>
Message-ID: <FIEELCDBFCOFDPDMIIGFGEOPCIAA.BruceP@wn.com.au>

Thanks for the help.
The solution I found was:


data = 'This is the data that is generated.'

context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Type', 'application/download')
context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Length', len(data))
context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Disposition',
			   'attachment;filename=Data.dat')

return data

Thanks again,

Bruce.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Bruce
> Pearson &/or Gwyn Ingham
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2001 12:25 PM
> To: Zope
> Subject: [Zope] Help on downloading data to a file
>
>
> I want to download generated data to a file on the users computer
> when they
> press a button.
>
> The button will call a python script which will generate the data. I'm not
> sure how to get the browser to bring up a download dialog and not just
> display the data.
>
> I am trying this.
>
> data = 'This is the data that is generated.'
>
> context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Type', 'application/data')
> context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Length', len(printed))
> context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.setHeader('Content-Disposition',
> 			   'inline;filename=Data.dat')
> return data
>
> This display the data in the browser, but doesn't download it.
>
> Can someone help???
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce.
>
>
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From sitongia@qwest.net  Wed May 30 04:41:47 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:41:47 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Zope won't start
In-Reply-To: <01052810285801.00407@odo>
References: <NDBBLDKNGLMDOFGFKLKICEFOEMAA.tom@cameron.to> <01052810285801.00407@odo>
Message-ID: <01052921414700.00405@odo>

On Monday 28 May 2001 10:28, Leonard Sitongia wrote:
> My lastest efforts:

>
> So, FreeBSD port for Python 1.5.2 + Zope src 2.3.2 +
> wo_pcgi.py + recreate the password with
>
> python zpasswd.py -u admin -p (password) -e CRYPT access
>
> gives a running Zserver Zope.

I now have gotten Zope running with Apache on FreeBSD.  A tip
came from the New User How-To's at zope.org, in particular the
one from Jens: 
http://www.zope.org/Members/jens/docs/newbie_caveats
where the tip on the "/" (slashes) in the RewriteRule are described.

I moved the Zope-src directory under the DocumentRoot of Apache.
I copied the Zope.cgi into the cgi-bin directory under Apache (I
had to add ExecCGI to that cgi-bin directory), plus make sure that
the permissions on the Zope.cgi are correct.

The RewriteRule then changes /Zope (which is at
DocumentRoot/Zope) to invoke the Zope.cgi and do the
authentication.

Authentication?  Back when I tried the Zope FreeBSD port, it said
to use CLEARTEXT encryption, not SHA or CRYPT, and I did need
to do that:

python zpasswd.py -u admin -p XXXX -e CLEARTEXT access

So then, loading up the URL http://localhost/Zope/manage goes to
prompt for the manage user authentication prompt.

Final notes: this is Zope 2.3.2 on FreeBSD 4.2.

==Leonard


From bluepaul@bluepaul.com  Wed May 30 04:42:44 2001
From: bluepaul@bluepaul.com (David Hassalevris)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:42:44 -0700
Subject: [Zope] help manage_changeproperties()
References: <200105300130.UAA19735@web.mylinuxisp.com>
Message-ID: <3B146C34.E9A3BA4@earthlink.net>


technology@mylinuxisp.com wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys:
> 
> I have instances of a zclass from a product of meta type 'story'.
> I these instances have a property of type text.
> I am attempting to update the 'story_title' property of this object.
> These objects are stored in the folder 'entries'.
> I am passing story_id and story title from a form to a dtml method.
> Here is the code for the dtml method.
> I get no errors.
> Thanks
> cj
> 
> <dtml-with entries>
> 
> <dtml-in  "objectValues(['story'])">
> <dtml-if  "id == story_id">
> 
> <dtml-call "manage_changeProperties( story_title = REQUEST['story_title'])">
> 
> </dtml-if>
> </dtml-in>
> 
> </dtml-with>

cj,
Maybe if you try something *like*:
  .
  .
  <dtml-if "id==story_id">
     <dtml-with "_.getitem(id)">  
        <dtml-call manage_changeProperties( ....
     <dtml-with>
  <dtml-if>
David


From Darran Edmundson" <Darran.Edmundson@anu.edu.au  Wed May 30 05:57:40 2001
From: Darran Edmundson" <Darran.Edmundson@anu.edu.au (Darran Edmundson)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:57:40 +1000
Subject: [Zope] the "cannot rename zclass" bug ...
Message-ID: <004a01c0e8c5$0e1b85e0$8505cb96@FUTNUH>

> is there any chance that the string in
> the management interface of your zclass,
> tab "Basic", field "Meta Type" is different
> from the "Add list Name" of your zclass's
> factory? If yes, correct that and I think it 
> will work.

Yes, Oliver, that *was* the problem.  Thank you
very much indeed.  Can someone explain the
meaning of the "add list name" entry in the 
ZClass factory?

Cheers,
Darran.






From kedai@kedai.com.my  Wed May 30 06:16:40 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (bak (kedai))
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:16:40 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Need a good Postgres Database adapter.
In-Reply-To: <GFEIJGLDPMOGHDFKKPOMEEBLCAAA.stuart@opnix.com>
References: <GFEIJGLDPMOGHDFKKPOMEEBLCAAA.stuart@opnix.com>
Message-ID: <01053013164003.00869@tokey>

On Wednesday 30 May 2001 00:27, Stuart Foster wrote:
> I've used the ZPyGresSQLDA product for a couple of years now. Yet on my new
> installation of Zope with Python 2 I can't get the product installed.
> Anyone know of an adapter that works with the newest Zope and Python?
>
> Stuart
>
my setup -
zope2.3.2
python 1.5.2
postgresql -7.0.x

i started with pygresql too, and moved to PoPy/ZPoPyDa.
i'm now trying psycopg since i encountered too many hangs.  dunno problems 
with my setup or PoPy

anyways, checkout 
http://lists.initd.org/pipermail/psycopg/2001-April/000074.html.  it'll save 
you hours of pain! (my head still aches)

also, checkout the cvs version since you can specify whether to use 
mxDateTime object (which gives out auth error in zope) or Zope's Datetime


good luck


From tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk  Wed May 30 07:09:00 2001
From: tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk (Tony McDonald)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 07:09:00 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Authenticated Users and lots of folders
Message-ID: <B73A4D0B.8D11%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>

Hi all,
I need the Zen of the list here, before I go off and implement something
weird wild and wacky.

I have a lot of authenticated users (1200 staff, 14000 students).
The staff are associated with a department.
There are 85 departments, each with a code (eg 1550 = Medical Faculty)
I want all authenticated staff to be able to add entries to a database.
I want some staff to be able to act as 'Editors', that is, allow the
database entries to be displayed.

Thing is I *don't* want staff from dept 'a' to be able to act as editors for
dept 'b'.

We currently use UserDB to do our cookie based authentication.

My first thought was to create 85 folders, with ids '1550', '1099' etc and
install a UserDB into each one of them. Each one of the folders has a
property 'dept', that is the value of the dept code (eg 1550). I then do a
ZSQL query something like

Select username, password, roles, domains from password, dept_code from
departments where username = <dtml-sqlvar username type=string> and
dept_code = <dtml-sqlvar dept type=string>

Does this sound sensible to people?
Does anyone have a better idea! :)

(please don't say I need to use CMF - I'm tracking that list, but I can't
figure out how to extract the various parts of CMF (reviewers etc) to use in
my situation).
TIA
Tone
-- 
Dr Tony McDonald,  Assistant Director, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/
The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope



From bluepaul@bluepaul.com  Wed May 30 07:45:02 2001
From: bluepaul@bluepaul.com (David Hassalevris)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:45:02 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Authenticated Users and lots of folders
References: <B73A4D0B.8D11%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3B1496EE.E4E4751C@earthlink.net>

Tony,

Heres an approach.  
You say you have 85 departments and 1200 staff.
Therefore, you'll have something like 85 categories or codes that will
apply
to something like 1200 users.

Why not setup a database (Gadfly would do?) with a table called
something like userDepts
It could have these fields:
UserID
Dept
Desc?

You would manually add one record for all 1200 or so staff and enter
stuff like:
userID = the users logon ID
Dept = 1550
Desc = 'Medical Faculty"

Now, when your ready to do an Inquiry filtered to the current user you
could do something like:
(bad pseudo code follows)

1) 
 <dtml-in
"zSqlForTheTableAbove(userID=AUTHENICATED_USER.getUserName())">
  <dtml-call "REQUEST.set('userDept',dept)">
</dtml-in>


2) Make the zSQL call you described below now that the users "dept" is
pushed into REQUEST

David
 

Tony McDonald wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I need the Zen of the list here, before I go off and implement something
> weird wild and wacky.
> 
> I have a lot of authenticated users (1200 staff, 14000 students).
> The staff are associated with a department.
> There are 85 departments, each with a code (eg 1550 = Medical Faculty)
> I want all authenticated staff to be able to add entries to a database.
> I want some staff to be able to act as 'Editors', that is, allow the
> database entries to be displayed.
> 
> Thing is I *don't* want staff from dept 'a' to be able to act as editors for
> dept 'b'.
> 
> We currently use UserDB to do our cookie based authentication.
> 
> My first thought was to create 85 folders, with ids '1550', '1099' etc and
> install a UserDB into each one of them. Each one of the folders has a
> property 'dept', that is the value of the dept code (eg 1550). I then do a
> ZSQL query something like
> 
> Select username, password, roles, domains from password, dept_code from
> departments where username = <dtml-sqlvar username type=string> and
> dept_code = <dtml-sqlvar dept type=string>
> 
> Does this sound sensible to people?
> Does anyone have a better idea! :)
> 
> (please don't say I need to use CMF - I'm tracking that list, but I can't
> figure out how to extract the various parts of CMF (reviewers etc) to use in
> my situation).
> TIA
> Tone
> --
> Dr Tony McDonald,  Assistant Director, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/
> The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
> A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope
>


From brabander@fsw.LeidenUniv.nl  Wed May 30 08:15:02 2001
From: brabander@fsw.LeidenUniv.nl (Cornelis J. de Brabander)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:15:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Authenticated Users and lots of folders
In-Reply-To: <B73A4D0B.8D11%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <01K464D1U98YGTP45B@FSW.LEIDENUNIV.NL>

Hi Tony,
I do not grasp all the details of what you would like to achieve. I manage a
small educational site with different departments and using basic
authentication I created a userfolder in each department folder. However
people, and especially students, travel a lot betweeen departments and
teachers participate in courses of several departments. Therefore I am
thinking (only thinking because I still have no clear view of how to achieve
this) of collecting the users of all departments into one userfolder and
giving users local roles in department folders according to the data on
their department membership in a (external) relational database.

Cornelis J. de Brabander
==========================================
Department of Education, Leiden University
P.O.Box 9555, NL-2300 RB Leiden
+31 71 527 3422/3401
brabander@fsw.leidenuniv.nl
==========================================

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Tony
> McDonald
> Sent: woensdag 30 mei 2001 8:09
> To: Zope mailing list
> Subject: [Zope] Authenticated Users and lots of folders
>
>
> Hi all,
> I need the Zen of the list here, before I go off and implement something
> weird wild and wacky.
>
> I have a lot of authenticated users (1200 staff, 14000 students).
> The staff are associated with a department.
> There are 85 departments, each with a code (eg 1550 = Medical Faculty)
> I want all authenticated staff to be able to add entries to a database.
> I want some staff to be able to act as 'Editors', that is, allow the
> database entries to be displayed.
>
> Thing is I *don't* want staff from dept 'a' to be able to act as
> editors for
> dept 'b'.
>
> We currently use UserDB to do our cookie based authentication.
>
> My first thought was to create 85 folders, with ids '1550', '1099' etc and
> install a UserDB into each one of them. Each one of the folders has a
> property 'dept', that is the value of the dept code (eg 1550). I then do a
> ZSQL query something like
>
> Select username, password, roles, domains from password, dept_code from
> departments where username = <dtml-sqlvar username type=string> and
> dept_code = <dtml-sqlvar dept type=string>
>
> Does this sound sensible to people?
> Does anyone have a better idea! :)
>
> (please don't say I need to use CMF - I'm tracking that list, but I can't
> figure out how to extract the various parts of CMF (reviewers
> etc) to use in
> my situation).
> TIA
> Tone
> --
> Dr Tony McDonald,  Assistant Director, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/
> The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
> A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>




From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May 30 09:14:34 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:14:34 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Authenticated Users and lots of folders
References: <B73A4D0B.8D11%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <001c01c0e8e0$8ff12dc0$5c773fc1@media1>

Tone,

Knowing something of how you do things in Newcastle, I'd hazard a guess that
these 1200 users etc are already in a corporate DB, yes?

If so then the easy way is to create the folders as you suggest, then create
an external method which does selects on the db and sets local roles on the
folders as you need them.

Something along the lines of (untested):

def setLocalRoles(self, deptid=None):
    res=self.theSelectQueryForDepts(deptid)
    theFolderWeWant=getattr(self,deptid,None)
    for r in res:
        theFolderWeWant.manage_setLocalRoles(r[0],['Manager'])

The critical lines are the all the ones in the above procedure ;)

But basically setting the local roles will give the people found local
management rights, or you could create another role and give them that.

The r[0] bit will need to be changed to pull back the correct field from
your sql query.

hth

Phil
phil.harris@zope.co.uk

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony McDonald" <tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>
To: "Zope mailing list" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:09 AM
Subject: [Zope] Authenticated Users and lots of folders


> Hi all,
> I need the Zen of the list here, before I go off and implement something
> weird wild and wacky.
>
> I have a lot of authenticated users (1200 staff, 14000 students).
> The staff are associated with a department.
> There are 85 departments, each with a code (eg 1550 = Medical Faculty)
> I want all authenticated staff to be able to add entries to a database.
> I want some staff to be able to act as 'Editors', that is, allow the
> database entries to be displayed.
>
> Thing is I *don't* want staff from dept 'a' to be able to act as editors
for
> dept 'b'.
>
> We currently use UserDB to do our cookie based authentication.
>
> My first thought was to create 85 folders, with ids '1550', '1099' etc and
> install a UserDB into each one of them. Each one of the folders has a
> property 'dept', that is the value of the dept code (eg 1550). I then do a
> ZSQL query something like
>
> Select username, password, roles, domains from password, dept_code from
> departments where username = <dtml-sqlvar username type=string> and
> dept_code = <dtml-sqlvar dept type=string>
>
> Does this sound sensible to people?
> Does anyone have a better idea! :)
>
> (please don't say I need to use CMF - I'm tracking that list, but I can't
> figure out how to extract the various parts of CMF (reviewers etc) to use
in
> my situation).
> TIA
> Tone
> --
> Dr Tony McDonald,  Assistant Director, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/
> The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
> A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> (Related lists -
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From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May 30 09:05:54 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:05:54 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZPT] ZPT advocacy
References: <01052814032801.02176@bluelinux> <01052821413803.02176@bluelinux> <003c01c0e815$27877580$1c64a8c0@PBN> <01052917301100.01887@bluelinux>
Message-ID: <02b001c0e8e3$147de8b0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Hi again Andreas
> Hi Peter,
>
> your advice is much appreciated. I'll spend some time reforming it
> and trying to get clear on its purpose.
> For the moment I think it should develop into a general analysis
> of what it takes to build a business based on zope.
> This assesment should include Zope's strength and weaknesses,
> how one can capitalize on the former and ameliorate the
> latter.
> Further there could be proposals on how to do client
> acquisition. How to contact prospective clients and which
> ones are the those that have the most to gain and are therefore
> the most receptive for this technology?

Loved that! That is really interesting, make that a long chapter. Explicit
aquisition in Zope (when you sell one instance only, right) is not for too
small clients and unless you are prepared to get your hands dirty with ZEO
stuff, Zope will fit in among the averaged sized ones.
Note that it is wrong, but you should try to say where you're aiming.

> Which Zope-aspects should be emphasized in marketing - how?

What Zope needs the most is a well-known name.
The people who decide to pay for things, like CEO's and other suit-wearing
people want to have things that have a strong and robust name.
Look at Vignette. Their name is all over the place at exhibitions and such.
Even though you don't get much for a $1.000.000 (compare to what you would
with say Zope) companies are willing to pay that amount because they think
they are buying something very very special.

Zope is getting there. I more often hear that people have heard of it.
"Yeah, I've heard of it" "It's supposed to be pretty ok" (but almost all of
my friends are technical and read slashdot).
Try to (in your text) answer the question: "How to make Zope a strong and
recognized name?"
If you can answer that, and DC do something about it, we will _all_ benefit.

>
> Given time and interest chapters regarding financing,
> marketing, hiring ... could be added.

Oh, and don't forget the hiring resources problem there is with Zope.
And, following up my own email from yesterday, think about how to charge the
client for the features that come for free with Zope already (like the
security model). Should one?

> I'll alert you when I'm ready with rearranging things a bit.
Excited!


Don't forget to check out all the text they have over at www.digicool.com

Peter
> Andreas
>
>
> your message:
> > No, don't make it an open ZWiki. Take responsibility of it (lock it) and
> > let logged in Zope Members add comments at the bottom of the page.
> >
> > If I ask you: "What is your little text about?" What would you answer
then?
> > I meant that it isn't very clear what it's about or it's purpose. Why
have
> > you written it and what do you aim to conclude?
> > Perhaps you should more precisly decide where you want to pour the
cement
> > before we start reshaping it (with comments) when it has dried in the
wrong
> > place :)
> >
> > You mentioned CMF, not a product, but a framework. I see that more and
more
> > products tend to store their "data" part in Python and "view" part in
> > templates of some kind.
> > That way you can use the "data" part as framework and rewrite the "view"
> > part yourself for your own needs. And that's a very very big step in the
> > right direction I reckon.
> >
> > Take care, Peter
> >
> > PS. Please don't cross post emails. Send only to zope@zope.org or only
to
> > zpt@zope.org
> >



From hofmann@isl.org  Wed May 30 10:25:51 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:25:51 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 and Python 2.1 ???
Message-ID: <3B14D823.24984.675A6F@localhost>

Since which version Zope works with Python 2.1 ?
Zope 2.4? or 2.3.2?

Thanks

Kai

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Universitaetsallee GW1 Block A                   phone:+49 421 22096-83
D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 30 10:32:18 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:32:18 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 and Python 2.1 ???
In-Reply-To: <3B14D823.24984.675A6F@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105301331130.19871-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Kai Hofmann wrote:
> Since which version Zope works with Python 2.1 ?
> Zope 2.4? or 2.3.2?

   Zope 2.3.2 works "unoficially". No problems so far, for me.

   Zope 2.4 will *require* Python 2.1.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From maxm@normik.dk  Wed May 30 10:35:07 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:35:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.3.2 and Python 2.1 ???
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D22@exchange>

> From: Kai Hofmann [mailto:hofmann@isl.org]

> Since which version Zope works with Python 2.1 ?
> Zope 2.4? or 2.3.2?

2.4 will be the first version that officially supports Python 2.1.

Regards Max M


From Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net>  Wed May 30 10:55:39 2001
From: Oliver Bleutgen <myzope@gmx.net> (Oliver Bleutgen)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:55:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Complicated mix of http, https, and ProxyPass
Message-ID: <E1552sC-0005Uz-00@mail.python.org>

> I'm having quite the issue right now and am wondering if there is a
> workaround
> for it. (let me know if i'm posting to the wrong place)

> Basically my setup is as follows:

> I have apache 1.3.19/mod_ssl running with ProxyPass setup for /Zope to
> "localhost:9080.."  I want, however, */manage to always go over SSL.  I
> already
> have it setup to block non-ssl attempts to */manage with FilesMatch rules
> in
> apache.  I don't want the rest of the site to go require SSL, but the only
> way,
> apparently to have */manage use SSL is to have a siteroot object with the
> base
> set to https.  This makes every link that uses that dtml variable use
> https.

> Is there any way I could only have admin interface require SSL?  Without
> having
> the rest of the site do so?

As far as I see, such a setup should be possible with
virtual host monster instead of siteroot.
This way you control through rewriting in apache
how the urls in zope are constructed.

cheers,
oliver


From ismet_dere@yahoo.com  Wed May 30 11:15:15 2001
From: ismet_dere@yahoo.com (Ismet Dere)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:15:15 +0800
Subject: [Zope] perhaps an old question for you, but..
Message-ID: <002301c0e8f1$6d0fac80$0100a8c0@idere>

hello all,

i've just installed a zope on my RH7.1 linux.

how can i point www.mydomain.com:8080/myfolder to www.my-other-domain.com 
so that i can serve my pages nicely from "my-other-domain" ?

i really appreciate any help.
ismet 



From magnus.heino@rivermen.se  Wed May 30 11:32:21 2001
From: magnus.heino@rivermen.se (Magnus Heino)
Date: 30 May 2001 12:32:21 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zope book
Message-ID: <991218746.2349.1.camel@daysleeper.rivernet.rivermen.se>

Hi

I can't get the makeThumbnail example at
http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/ScriptingZope.dtml to work.

Line 18, "original_file=StringIO(original_image.data)" gives this error

Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: expected string, ImplicitAcquirerWrapper found

Any clues?

/Magnus
 




From Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it>  Wed May 30 11:40:23 2001
From: Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it> (Luca Manini)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:40:23 +0200
Subject: (fwd) Re: [Zope] Connecting to MS SQL
In-Reply-To: <7i77ht0f8gbn60qd1ib254vmvfbgkt5kk1@4ax.com>
References: <7i77ht0f8gbn60qd1ib254vmvfbgkt5kk1@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <kji9htobnsladol9nql59gla886dcjt2u9@4ax.com>

On Tue, 29 May 2001 15:04:24 +0200, you wrote:

I've done a step forward.=20
Now I can connect by specifying the parameter of the connection in the
edti box. The (stupid) error I was doing was to specify the name of
the server instead of the name of the odbc connection.=20

Example
Server: S
ODBC Connection: C
User: U
Password: P

I was entering S U P instead of C U P.=20
Even if Zope "hints" says:=20

	The database connection string is of the form:=20
    	dsn user password
  	where the data source name, user id, and=20
	password are separated by one or more spaces.=20

I still do not understand why it does not work simply picking a
connection from the list :-(

>I do check with MS SQL Profiler.=20
>When I check the connection from the ODBC Manager,=20
>or when I open the connection from Delphi,=20
>the correct UserName is send to the server.=20
>But when I add the connection from Zope, the UserName is=20
>empty!!!
>
>	Help! Luca
>
>
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From ismet_dere@yahoo.com  Wed May 30 11:43:47 2001
From: ismet_dere@yahoo.com (Ismet Dere)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:43:47 +0800
Subject: [Zope] perhaps an old question for you, but..
Message-ID: <008c01c0e8f5$68ceaaa0$0100a8c0@idere>

 hello all,
 
 i've just installed a zope on my RH7.1 linux.
 
 how can i point www.mydomain.com:8080/myfolder to www.my-other-domain.com 
 so that i can serve my pages nicely from "my-other-domain" ?
 
 i really appreciate any help.
 ismet 
 



From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May 30 11:54:39 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:54:39 +0100
Subject: [Zope] perhaps an old question for you, but..
References: <008c01c0e8f5$68ceaaa0$0100a8c0@idere>
Message-ID: <00b201c0e8f6$eea0d350$5c773fc1@media1>

Take a look at <zopedir>/doc/WEBSERVER.txt to start with.


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Subject: [Zope] perhaps an old question for you, but..


> hello all,
>
>  i've just installed a zope on my RH7.1 linux.
>
>  how can i point www.mydomain.com:8080/myfolder to www.my-other-domain.com
>  so that i can serve my pages nicely from "my-other-domain" ?
>
>  i really appreciate any help.
>  ismet
>
>
>
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From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May 30 11:38:06 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:38:06 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Problems with demo server of Proiektor
Message-ID: <030d01c0e8f8$1a6676b0$1c64a8c0@PBN>

I tried the Proiektor demo server and it looks promising.

1) The Mini calendar should highlight todays date.

2) The address book link on the right should be "Search Address Book", not
"Address Book" (since the link on the left side does something completely
different)
    It would be nice if one could - in the Mini Address Book - do both
Search and Add. or even a link saying <pseudoenglish>Search and if fail,
add</pseudoenglish>.

3) The Address Book thing in the right pane doesn't work (JavaScript
disabled Opera 5.02 Windows). Naughty boy. You are using JavaScript to
submit the form!

4) When I in the quick Address Book search type in a firstname, I expect to
be able to just hit Enter and that submits the form. This is sometimes buggy
in NS, but I know that it is something users are expecting to be able to do
in IE and Opera on Windows.

5) When adding an entry to the addressbook, the tab key jumps between the
input fields zig-zag. It should take you from "First name" to "Middle name"
to "Last Lame" (notice the spelling). Use the tabindex="2" HTML attribute.

6) It's not possible to click entries in the Address Book to edit them or
see more info.
This for example returns a 404
http://demo.iuveno-net.de/Proiektor/Organizer/acl_users/2/Persons/2//Contact
s/9/editContactForm

7) Clicking the Delete link in Address Book gives you this message
Error Type: NameError
Error Value: REQUEST

8) Copying a URL from an inlogged session browser into a non-logged-in gives
this ugly message:
Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: canAccessObject

9) In the Task Tree, what does the little plus symbol mean? For some reason
Opera won't show me the ALT of the image when I roll the mouse over it. And
the icon itself isn't intuitive.

10) In the Task Tree the priority shouldn't be an integer. What does 1 mean
in contrast to 5??
Use 'high' 'normal' and 'low' instead. And I think three priority options is
enough.

11) On the demo server changeing or adding a Task is impossible. It just
returns 404's http://demo.iuveno-net.de/Proiektor/Organizer/acl_users/2
And List of all Tasks doesn't work either.

12) Why is status "Halted" by default when you add a Project?

13) """Should be a "refresh this page" option link.

What do you mean?

I know! When you add a note, and click "Save" you'd expect to see your note
in the list of other Notes. IE autorefreshes.
Add a feature for controlling the chachedatetime of the templates. <a
href="submitsave.html?setcachdate=1second">Save</a>""" % from the Notes
page.

14) View Resources in demo in Group Functions doesn't work. What does that
do?

15) For the whole tablestructure, I reckon you should expand it a little bit
more. There is still plenty of whitespace out there to fill with content.
(this is a skin issue perhaps, but it should be changed for the default).

16) A second click on the "E-mail" column in the Address Book should reverse
the order. Like Windows and X does.

It's not very fast (yet 10 times faster than worldpilot). But this is
probably because of other reasons than the code, right. What might be the
bottleneck so that I can think of that when I install one.
There's great potential in this, but there are little things to think about
first.
Keep it simple. You've done that well. Use HTML form buttons instead of
hyperlinks to do things like "Save" or "Change" or "Cancel". Even though
that serves no purpose, it's what people are used to. A hyperlink is a
connection to another reference somewhere else and doesn't give the feeling
of transmitting away information like a button does.

Buy a PalmPilot and try to imitate their interface. It's really good and
well thought of. Note how has it is.

The AddressBook product (http://www.zope.org/Members/morphex/AddressBook) is
only an addressbook, and seems to be a little bit more advanced (at least
its planning) when it comes to importing and exporting contacts using the
vCard format.
I'd like to be able to upload my M$ Outlook contacts in all at ease and
upload my Psion vCard files without having to click Save and Confirm
buttons.
I also want to be able to export one or more contacts in different ways.
Any plans for enhancements to the Address Book in this direction? I'd loved
to help you.
I noticed the note about "Palm Pilot synchronization." in the "Planned
Features" list. That's great!

How easy would it be to add on my own interfaces to this? I have lots of
BugTrackingPseudoIssue meta_type objects around that I want to interface to.
Is this easy to do? Plus can I build it so that it only works for certain
users?

Now, for the most exciting feature. Since speed is everything and you can't
ever get good speed with web apps like this. The only way to get the best
performance is to download (mirror) the HTML and keep them offline so that
your startpage in Opera can be
http://localhost:8080/staticproiektor/overview?username=peter&password=bengt
sson.
The frontpage index_html can be downloaded as static HTML by a cronjob every
1 hour or what ever and using some brains it should be possible to
pre-render the static pages so that they know exactly when and when not to
use the real live site.
If you have a busy cronjob, the only thing that needs to be online is the
database. And each of your static page should have a manual refrech button
that says "Refresh this page by downloading the current version from the
online site"
What do you see in the future for this?


Phew, very long email. I was excited by the demo and I now want to install
it.
Here we go!

Peter



From Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be  Wed May 30 12:19:13 2001
From: Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:19:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] demo server of Proiektor
References: <030d01c0e8f8$1a6676b0$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <016901c0e8fa$5b2010b0$8271a8c0@uz.kuleuven.ac.be>

Just a few questions :

1. Proiektor is now based on DBObjects. Will it be based on SmartObjects
when the development of these is stable?

2. Proiektor (I assume due to DBObjects), require PostgresSQL. Is it
possible to use another database? ie is the interface created in such a way
that changing a certain file or files is sufficient to use it on another
database? Or is it too intermingled?

Thanks, Tom.



From J.Knuth@ipro.de  Wed May 30 12:28:54 2001
From: J.Knuth@ipro.de (Jochen Knuth)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:28:54 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Structured Text with Images in regular Zope?
References: <20010529090042.A29620@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>
Message-ID: <3B14D976.BBEDDCFF@ipro.de>

Hi Mike,

Mike Renfro wrote:
> 
> I'm getting tired of writing HTML for all my lab documentation, but I
> need screenshots, too. What do I need to do to get structured text
> working with inline images? I know I can just stick <img> tags in the
> file, but I'd rather not.
> 
> (Zope 2.3.1, Debian 2.2)
> 

i needed that too, so here is my local modification of the ctag function
in the file StructuredText.py (Note: this from Zope 2.3.2):

def ctag(s,
         em=regex.compile(
             ctag_prefix+(ctag_middle % (("*",)*6) )+ctag_suffix),
         strong=regex.compile(
             ctag_prefix+(ctag_middl2 % (("*",)*8))+ctag_suffix),
         under=regex.compile(
             ctag_prefix+(ctag_middle % (("_",)*6) )+ctag_suffix),
         code=regex.compile(
             ctag_prefix+(ctag_middle % (("\'",)*6))+ctag_suffix),
	 bild=regex.compile(
             ctag_prefix+(ctag_middl2 % (("_",)*8))+ctag_suffix),
         ):
    if s is None: s=''
    s=gsub(strong,'\\1<strong>\\2</strong>\\3',s)
    s=gsub(under, '\\1<u>\\2</u>\\3',s)
    s=gsub(code,  '\\1<code>\\2</code>\\3',s)
    s=gsub(em,    '\\1<em>\\2</em>\\3',s)
    s=gsub(bild,  '\\1<img src=\\2>\\3',s)
    return s 

This defines __imageobjectid__ as a new ST-Tag. Works for me, but i have
to remember every Zope-Update to check if this works.

Ciao,
Jochen
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From maxm@normik.dk  Wed May 30 12:33:50 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:33:50 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ObjectManager problem
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D24@exchange>

I am making a product that draws a graph in PIL and then saves the =
image as
a GIF in a Zope ObjectManager.

If the image doesn't exist it will be rendered and saved in the
objectManager.

When I run it the first time the image renders just nicely in a dmtl =
page.
If I try to reload it, I get an error that says::

Error Type: Bad Request
Error Value: The id "laeringsGraf" is invalid--it is already in use.
...

  File C:\zope23\lib\python\Products\ots_laering\ots_laeringLogic.py, =
line
207, in updateGraph
    (Object: laering)
  File C:\zope23\lib\python\Products\ots_laering\ots_laeringLogic.py, =
line
196, in _drawTriangle
    (Object: laering)
  File C:\zope23\lib\python\OFS\ObjectManager.py, line 272, in =
_setObject
    (Object: laering)
  File C:\zope23\lib\python\OFS\ObjectManager.py, line 147, in =
checkValidId
    (Object: laering)

So it seems that the Image gets saved OK ... somewhere, but I cannot se =
the
id via self.objectIds() which simply returns an empty tuple ().

My object inherits ObjectManager, but it doesn't seem like the Image =
gets
saved in it.=20

I can see it in a dtml page like <dtml-var laeringsGraf> but apparantly =
it's
saved somewhere else .... I'm completely baffled.

I check for existance of the image like so::

    def updateGraph(self):
        "Render graf if it doesn't exist"
        imageID =3D 'laeringsGraf'   =20
        print 'objects:', self.objectIds()
        if imageID in self.objectIds(): # allready exists
            pass
        else:                           # doesnt exist, so render first =
time
            self._drawTriangle([150, 0, 0, 0], 10, 10)

The following is the snippet of code that saves the image from PIL into =
the
ObjectManager

        # save it in the ZODB
        outf =3D StringIO()
        im.save(outf, 'GIF')
        del im
       =20
        data =3D outf.getvalue()
        outf.close()
        imageID =3D 'laeringsGraf'
        self._setObject(imageID, OFS.Image.Image(imageID,'L=E6rings =
graf',''))
        self._getOb(imageID).update_data(data)

Anybody's got a clue??? Please.

Regard Max M


From Isabelle.Neunreither@Dresdner-Bank.com  Wed May 30 12:51:23 2001
From: Isabelle.Neunreither@Dresdner-Bank.com (Neunreither, Isabelle)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:51:23 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how many zope member ?
Message-ID: <F39260401A4FD311BB6700805FA7821B27E005@ffz00zad.wwz1me.mail.dresdner.net>

hi,

could someone tell me how many member are registered in the mailinglist
zope@zope.org? i would like to write this information in my studie.

cheers,
Isabelle


From maxm@normik.dk  Wed May 30 12:50:40 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:50:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ObjectManager problem
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D25@exchange>

Here is a URL to the source if anybody wants to take a closer look

The basic Zope product:
http://maxm.normik.dk/zope/ots_laering.py

A mixin class with most of the logic.
http://maxm.normik.dk/zope/ots_laeringLogic.py

regards Max M


From Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it>  Wed May 30 13:11:57 2001
From: Luca Manini AgeLav <manini@agenzialavoro.tn.it> (Luca Manini)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:11:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Client Side Form Field Validation - How to ?
Message-ID: <pdn9ht8vpj4agl854qt69lt3m9n8cpitjr@4ax.com>

Hi,=20

the subject says it (almost) all.

Taken for granted that one should validate input "also" on the server,
everybody (even me) knows many reasons (no post, faster and more
user-friendly messsages, ...) for doing something on the client.=20

The first thing that comes to (my) mind is Java (o JavaScript ?).
Or would be possible to write some Python (Jython) ?
Anyhting already available ?
Anything "declarative" (like usign regexp) ?

	TIA, Luca



From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed May 30 12:54:00 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 07:54:00 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Structured Text with Images in regular Zope?
Message-ID: <3B14DF58.10007@palladion.com>

Michel Pelletier <michel@digicool.com> wrote:
 
> On Tue, 29 May 2001, Mike Renfro wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 11:10:36AM -0400, marc lindahl wrote:
>> 
> 
>> > I concur -- it would be nice to add an easy image tag in STX.  Just
>> > as double quotes is supposed to create a link, some other syntax to
>> > generate an OBJECT tag (or, intelligently, IMG if an image... for,
>> > ugh, NS4 compatibility), for inclusion of images, sound, video, etc.
> 
>> 
>> The syntax is already there in the code for the Zope book -- I forgot
>> to mention that earlier. My problem is in making the book's
>> StructuredText code work with regular Zope. Making it work with the
>> STX_Document ZClass would be even better.
> 
> 
> The book code is in Zope too, it's just not exposed in any way.  You would
> have to do your processing in an external method.
> 
> Zope does a really poor job of exposing stx to users.  The only interface
> is <dtml-var fmt=structured-text> and that sucks for a few reasons:
> 
>   You can't use other input parser, like for images.
> 
>   You can't use other outputs, like docbook
> 
>   The stx is turned into a dom and transformed every time, instead of
>   being cached, making it slow.
> 
> I had written a pure python product called STXDocument that exposed all of
> this functionality through an API and addable object.  Someone at DC
> however, probably mistakenly, deleted it from the CVS repository (or moved
> it to where I can't find it) without informing me, so it's gone.
> 
> I suggest using an External Method to hack you way to the
> StructuredText.HTMLWithImages.HTMLWithImages class.  The syntax is similar
> to a link in stx:
> 
> "Image alt tag contents":img:/path/to/image


Here is how we added "embedded images" in the CMF (just recently):

  - Created a utility function, '_format_stx', with two supporting classes,
    'CMFDocumentWithImages' and 'CMFHtmlWithImages'::

     #
     #   StructuredText handling.
     #
     import StructuredText
     from StructuredText.HTMLWithImages import HTMLWithImages

     _STXDWI = StructuredText.DocumentWithImages.__class__

     class CMFDocumentClass( StructuredText.DocumentWithImages.__class__ ):
         """
             Override DWI to get '_' into links.
         """
         _URL_AND_PUNC = r'([a-zA-Z0-9_\@\.\,\?\!\/\:\;\-\#\~]+)'
         def doc_href( self
                     , s
                     , expr1 = re.compile( _STXDWI._DQUOTEDTEXT
                                         + "(:)"
                                         + _URL_AND_PUNC
                                         + _STXDWI._SPACES
                                         ).search
                     , expr2 = re.compile( _STXDWI._DQUOTEDTEXT
                                         + r'(\,\s+)'
                                         + _URL_AND_PUNC
                                         + _STXDWI._SPACES
                                         ).search
                     ):
             return _STXDWI.doc_href( self, s, expr1, expr2 )

     CMFDocumentClass = CMFDocumentClass()

     class CMFHtmlWithImages( HTMLWithImages ):
         """
            Special subclass of HTMLWithImages, overriding document().
         """
         def document(self, doc, level, output):
             """\
             HTMLWithImages.document renders full HTML (head, title, 
body).  For
             CMF Purposes, we don't want that.  We just want those nice 
juicy
             body parts perfectly rendered.
             """
             for c in doc.getChildNodes():
             getattr(self, self.element_types[c.getNodeName()])(c, 
level, output)

     CMFHtmlWithImages = CMFHtmlWithImages()

     def _format_stx( text, level=1 ):
         """
             Render STX to HTML.
         """
         st = StructuredText.Basic( text )   # Creates the basic DOM
         if not st:                          # If it's an empty object
             return ""                       # return now or have errors!

         doc = CMFDocumentClass( st )
         html = CMFHtmlWithImages( doc, level )
         return html

  - Changed our Docuement class (as well as other STX clients) to call
    '_format_stx' whenever the content changes, capturing the result as
    the 'cooked' version.

  - We render the Document without using the 'fmt="strucutred-text"'
    bit,   e.g.:

     <dtml-var standard_html_header>
     <dtml-var getCookedHTML>
     <dtml-var standard_html_footer>

The code for '_format_stx' whould package OK as an ExternalMethod,
I think.  Hope this helps,

Tres.
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========================================================
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Digital Creations  "Zope Dealers"   http://www.zope.org



From erik@thingamy.net  Wed May 30 13:34:59 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:34:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] ObjectManager problem
In-Reply-To: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D24@exchange>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105301431580.22789-100000@bcryachts.atsat.com>

On Wed, 30 May 2001, [iso-8859-1] Max M=F8ller Rasmussen wrote:

> Error Type: Bad Request
> Error Value: The id "laeringsGraf" is invalid--it is already in use.
> ...
>         imageID =3D 'laeringsGraf'
>         self._setObject(imageID, OFS.Image.Image(imageID,'L=E6rings graf'=
,''))
>         self._getOb(imageID).update_data(data)

I'm not sure.  I got a similar behaviour once when I di osomething like
this:

=09_setObject('id', someclass('anotherid', ''))

If I recoall correctly, I couldn't see neither of them with
objectIds() but I couldn't add 'id' or 'anotherid' either.  Or something
like that. =20

It certainly doesn't look like that's your problem...  I don't know :)



From tseaver@palladion.com  Wed May 30 13:19:41 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:19:41 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZEO start.py fails to start ZSS on Debian...
Message-ID: <3B14E55D.4060202@palladion.com>

sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:


> I am running Debian testing (SPARC) with the 2.3.2-2 Zope deb, trying to
> install ZEO, and am hung up on the storage server install becuase, even in
> the simplest of cases, I cannot get lib/python/ZEO/start.py to do
> anything... I get the same issue with ZEO 1.0b1 and 1.0b3.  There are a
> bunch of
> 	try: ...
> 	except: pass
> statements in the start.py code, and I'm sure I'm getting hit with one of
> them; it's too bad there are not more debugging messages in there...  
> 
> Since there are no tracebacks, below is the best I have (a shell transcript)
> 
> Under Debian, Zope is installed at /usr/lib/zope as a program root (and thus
> ZEO, unpacked here, with ZEO1.0b3/ZEO copied to lib/python, so that there is
> a lib/python/ZEO).  /var/lib/zope is the instance home and contains a var
> (/var/lib/zope/var) directory with Data.fs, log, and pid files.
> 
> Any help/thoughts would be appreciated...


I would probably try to find the errant spot using PDB, e.g.,
I would drop the following line into the 'main()' function:

     import pdb; pdb.set_trace()

Then, when you run the start script using '-D', the debugger will stop
at that point, and you can single step, print variables, etc., using
the "standard Python debugger",

  http://www.python.org/doc/1.5.2p2/lib/module-pdb.html


If that doesn't help, or if you've found a bug, then I would ask
for further help on the zodb-dev@zope.org list.

Tres.
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From robert@redcor.ch  Wed May 30 14:06:13 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:06:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Looking for a timer
Message-ID: <000701c0e909$4e261530$43a4023e@karin>

Hi there,

is there a way to poll for a flag and go to hibernation for a given amount
of time if it is not set.

thanks for your tips.

Robert



From maxm@normik.dk  Wed May 30 14:03:38 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:03:38 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ObjectManager problem
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D26@exchange>

> From: Erik Enge [mailto:erik@thingamy.net]

>I'm not sure.  I got a similar behaviour once when I di osomething like
>this:

>_setObject('id', someclass('anotherid', ''))

>If I recoall correctly, I couldn't see neither of them with
>objectIds() but I couldn't add 'id' or 'anotherid' either.  Or something
>like that. =20

Yeah but my ID's are identical. So It cannot be that.

>It certainly doesn't look like that's your problem...  I don't know :)

Well it is, sort of, as I have spend the last 6 hours trying out solutions
to the problem. And now I am sort of run dry.

I don't know how many times this has happened for me when programming in
zope. In simpler systems like asp and php I would know how to make a
workaround. But if there is a hurdle in Zope you are just stuck. And if the
problem isn't rather simple there is no help from neither the mailing list
nor #zope.

This is Zope's biggest problem for me. You need to know the whole system to
make even simple things.

Well that isn't your fault, I just had to let out some steam.

regards Max M


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 30 14:07:13 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:07:13 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Looking for a timer
In-Reply-To: <000701c0e909$4e261530$43a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105301706120.23186-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Robert Rottermann wrote:
> is there a way to poll for a flag and go to hibernation for a given amount
> of time if it is not set.

   You can play with treads... but if you are doing something like this in
the Web application, you are probably doing something wrong.

Oleg.
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From ct@gocept.com  Wed May 30 14:09:40 2001
From: ct@gocept.com (Christian Theune)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:09:40 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Fighting against crashes
Message-ID: <20010530150940.B2372@pegasus.ct.gocept.com>

HI.

'm fighting against Zope crashes that are not sooo obvious trivial.

I have two error messages for you. Any kind of tip is welcome.

THanks a lot. This is zope 2.3.2 running on python 2.0, Suse 7.1 2.2.18

Thanks so far.

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reduce(lambda x,y:x+y,map(lambda x:chr(ord(x)^42),tuple('zS^BED\nX_FOY\x0b')))


From ct@gocept.com  Wed May 30 14:11:25 2001
From: ct@gocept.com (Christian Theune)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:11:25 +0200
Subject: [Zope] oops .... forgot something
Message-ID: <20010530151125.C2372@pegasus.ct.gocept.com>

------
2001-05-30T12:22:33 ERROR(200) ZServer uncaptured python exception, closing channel <zhttp_channel connected 10.1.1.3:3570 at 8b394a4 channel#: 23 requests:2> (socket.error:(32, 'Broken pipe') [/home/zope2/ZServer/medusa/asynchat.py|handle_read|80] [/home/zope2/ZServer/medusa/http_server.py|recv|405] [/home/zope2/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|recv|301])
------
2001-05-30T12:41:11 ERROR(200) ZODB Couldn't load state for '\000\000\000\000\000\000@\017'
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /home/zope2/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py, line 508, in setstate
AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute 'load'

this are the messages i forgot in my last posting

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reduce(lambda x,y:x+y,map(lambda x:chr(ord(x)^42),tuple('zS^BED\nX_FOY\x0b')))


From sven.hohage@zeitspringer.de  Wed May 30 14:26:31 2001
From: sven.hohage@zeitspringer.de (Sven Hohage)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:26:31 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how many zope member ?
Message-ID: <3B14F507.BC61A181@zeitspringer.de>

Hello Isabelle,
you find this information on http://lists.zope.org/mailman/roster/zope.
I've read 5 minutes ago->
1365 Non-digested Members of Zope
849 Digested Members of Zope

Hope this helps your study! (for your small bank?? ;-))

      Bye
           Sven


From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May 30 14:20:51 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:20:51 +0200
Subject: [Zope] demo server of Proiektor
References: <030d01c0e8f8$1a6676b0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <016901c0e8fa$5b2010b0$8271a8c0@uz.kuleuven.ac.be>
Message-ID: <039c01c0e90e$f0abaa90$1c64a8c0@PBN>

> 2. Proiektor (I assume due to DBObjects), require PostgresSQL. Is it
> possible to use another database? ie is the interface created in such a
way
> that changing a certain file or files is sufficient to use it on another
> database? Or is it too intermingled?

And if the answer is anything but "yes", does it help if the "other"
database is a mysql or oracle or M$ Access or....
I've already got a running MySQL on my server that I want to use if
possible.

> Thanks, Tom.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From petr.knapek@nextra.cz  Wed May 30 15:00:53 2001
From: petr.knapek@nextra.cz (Petr Knapek)
Date: 30 May 2001 16:00:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Authorisation error handling
Message-ID: <87lmnfaqcq.fsf@knapek.pvt.net>

Hi Zopists,

I would like to ask you to give me some links on documentation connected
with authorisation error handling in Zope.  From John Chandler HOW-TO I
know it is not possible to use standard_error_messagge DTML Method.
This error is handled in other way.  My problem is, I want to redirect
user, who tries to authorize, to another page where anonymous access is
possible and inform him about possible problems.  There should be also
possibility to try authenticate with new authorization.

Thank you,  Petr
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From hofmann@isl.org  Wed May 30 15:28:11 2001
From: hofmann@isl.org (Kai Hofmann)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:28:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Python 2.1 on Solaris 2.6 with gcc 2.8.1 ?
Message-ID: <3B151F2D.2982.1707C02@localhost>

Has someone experience with making Python 2.1 on SOlaris 2.6 with gcc=20
2.8.1?
Here it seems that it tries to create shared libraries which won't link,=20
because its missing some standard references (liba, ...) like free, mallo=
c etc.

Has someone fixed this - before I invest hours to do so?

Thanks

Kai

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Universitaetsallee GW1 Block A                   phone:+49 421 22096-83
D-28359 Bremen                                     fax:+49 421 22096-55


From erlewein@gmx.de  Wed May 30 15:44:58 2001
From: erlewein@gmx.de (Oliver Erlewein)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:44:58 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Zope] Problems with ZopeTime
Message-ID: <21083.991233898@www42.gmx.net>

Hi

I'm getting this traceback when trying to work with ZopeTime:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File D:\Zope\PortalSQS05\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File D:\Zope\PortalSQS05\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 187, in
publish
  File D:\Zope\PortalSQS05\lib\python\Zope\__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: RoleManager)
  File D:\Zope\PortalSQS05\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 171, in
publish
  File D:\ZOPE\PortalSQS05\lib\python\ZPublisher\mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\Zope\PortalSQS05\lib\python\ZPublisher\Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
    (Object: index_html)
  File D:\ZOPE\PortalSQS05\lib\python\App\Factory.py, line 178, in
index_html
    (Object: RoleManager)
  File D:\Zope\PortalSQS05\lib\python\OFS\DTMLMethod.py, line 189, in
__call__
    (Object: Forumbeitrag_addForm)
  File D:\ZOPE\PortalSQS05\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_String.py, line
538, in __call__
    (Object: Forumbeitrag_addForm)
  File D:\ZOPE\PortalSQS05\lib\python\DocumentTemplate\DT_Var.py, line 276,
in render
    (Object: ZopeTime)
KeyError: (see above)

I call ZopeTime from within a Zclass (DTML-Method) with a line like this:

<input type=hidden name="datum" value="<dtml-var ZopeTime fmt="%Y/%m/%d -
%H:%M:%S">">

If I call as manager all goes well. The error occurs when I have a user with
reduced rights. Do I need a certain right for ZopeTime? Can anybody give me
a hint on why it gives me this error?

Thanx a lot!
Oliver

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From mail@peterbe.com  Wed May 30 15:46:03 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:46:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how many zope member ?
References: <3B14F507.BC61A181@zeitspringer.de>
Message-ID: <043701c0e918$5676ff60$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Here at my french company we are 8 zope developers incl me and I seem to be
the only one using zope@zope.org

Isabelle, don't judge the community by it's number of active users. I can't
possibly be fair.

Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sven Hohage" <sven.hohage@zeitspringer.de>
To: <Isabelle.Neunreither@Dresdner-Bank.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 3:26 PM
Subject: RE:[Zope] how many zope member ?


> Hello Isabelle,
> you find this information on http://lists.zope.org/mailman/roster/zope.
> I've read 5 minutes ago->
> 1365 Non-digested Members of Zope
> 849 Digested Members of Zope
>
> Hope this helps your study! (for your small bank?? ;-))
>
>       Bye
>            Sven
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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> (Related lists -
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From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Wed May 30 16:02:36 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:02:36 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Help: Return and render an object (DTML doc or method) from python script.
Message-ID: <076401c0e919$9108a150$0301a8c0@provence>

Hi,

My project uses inclusion of objects (DTML doc or methods) which relative
path is computed by a python script.

<calling script>
...
<dtml-var "myscript(argument)">
...
</calling script>

The python script "myscript" computes the relative path of the DTML object
to include (no problem till there)

The problem is : how to have this target DTML document/method rendered in
place of the <dtml-var "myscript(argument)"> ?

In python, the (supposed) classical "return contex.getitem(path)" raises an
AttributeError (no "getitem" attribute)

Any hint for this ?

TIA

--Gilles



From cduncan@kaivo.com  Wed May 30 15:59:28 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:59:28 -0600
Subject: [Zope] ObjectManager problem
References: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D24@exchange>
Message-ID: <3B150AD0.97C4FAB4@kaivo.com>

Max M=F8ller Rasmussen wrote:
>=20
> I am making a product that draws a graph in PIL and then saves the imag=
e as
> a GIF in a Zope ObjectManager.
>=20
> If the image doesn't exist it will be rendered and saved in the
> objectManager.
>=20
> When I run it the first time the image renders just nicely in a dmtl pa=
ge.
> If I try to reload it, I get an error that says::
>=20
> Error Type: Bad Request
> Error Value: The id "laeringsGraf" is invalid--it is already in use.
> ...
>=20

The problem is that you are subclassing SimpleItem.Item and
ObjectManager which are incompatible base classes. SimpleItem.Item
defines its own objectIds method which *always* returns and empty tuple
(because it is not a container). You should be able to safely loose this
base class and all will be right with the world.

>=20
> Anybody's got a clue??? Please.
>=20
> Regard Max M
>=20

hth,
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| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From maxm@normik.dk  Wed May 30 16:03:13 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:03:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ObjectManager problem
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D28@exchange>

> From: Casey Duncan [mailto:cduncan@kaivo.com]

> The problem is that you are subclassing SimpleItem.Item and
> ObjectManager which are incompatible base classes. SimpleItem.Item
> defines its own objectIds method which *always* returns and 
> empty tuple
> (because it is not a container). You should be able to safely 
> loose this
> base class and all will be right with the world.

Saved my day and restored my faith ... thanks

Max M


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 30 16:13:13 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:13:13 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] how many zope member ?
In-Reply-To: <043701c0e918$5676ff60$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105301910350.23186-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> Here at my french company we are 8 zope developers incl me and I seem to be
> the only one using zope@zope.org
>
> Isabelle, don't judge the community by it's number of active users. I can't
> possibly be fair.

   Nice point!

   Let me count. There are about 100 subscribers in Russian Python and Zope
mailing list. Of these 100 there are about 5 very active users and about
5-10 not so active. Of these 10 I am (probably) the only one subscribed to
zope@zope.org.

   How would you estimate the community size based on this numbers? :)

Oleg.
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           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From sean.upton@uniontrib.com  Wed May 30 16:22:24 2001
From: sean.upton@uniontrib.com (sean.upton@uniontrib.com)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:22:24 -0700
Subject: [Zope] ZEO start.py fails to start ZSS on Debian...
Message-ID: <AA7A72A46469D411B8B300508BE3295035B347@desi2>

Well, it now works on my with the source release, so my ZSS is built off the
source release, and my ZEO Clients are all Debian deb-packaged Zope
installs.  Seems like a fair compromise; I will debug it though, and send a
not of my findings to the Debian package maintainer for Zope; hopefully a
fix can be found.

Does anyone know why it might work on Intel deb, but not on SPARC deb?
Debian uses an auto-build system to build source for multiple platforms even
though a given package maintainer may only build the packages on one.  I
wonder why this would cause what look to be identical installs (for the most
part, same Zope, same python, same libc6) to act differently?

Hopefully the answer is to debug start.py with the debugger, find out where
my setup causes the except: pass, and attempt to figure out why this is
happening.

Thanks,
Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Tres Seaver [mailto:tseaver@palladion.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 5:20 AM
To: sean.upton@uniontrib.com
Cc: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] ZEO start.py fails to start ZSS on Debian...


sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:


> I am running Debian testing (SPARC) with the 2.3.2-2 Zope deb, trying to
> install ZEO, and am hung up on the storage server install becuase, even in
> the simplest of cases, I cannot get lib/python/ZEO/start.py to do
> anything... I get the same issue with ZEO 1.0b1 and 1.0b3.  There are a
> bunch of
> 	try: ...
> 	except: pass
> statements in the start.py code, and I'm sure I'm getting hit with one of
> them; it's too bad there are not more debugging messages in there...  
> 
> Since there are no tracebacks, below is the best I have (a shell
transcript)
> 
> Under Debian, Zope is installed at /usr/lib/zope as a program root (and
thus
> ZEO, unpacked here, with ZEO1.0b3/ZEO copied to lib/python, so that there
is
> a lib/python/ZEO).  /var/lib/zope is the instance home and contains a var
> (/var/lib/zope/var) directory with Data.fs, log, and pid files.
> 
> Any help/thoughts would be appreciated...


I would probably try to find the errant spot using PDB, e.g.,
I would drop the following line into the 'main()' function:

     import pdb; pdb.set_trace()

Then, when you run the start script using '-D', the debugger will stop
at that point, and you can single step, print variables, etc., using
the "standard Python debugger",

  http://www.python.org/doc/1.5.2p2/lib/module-pdb.html


If that doesn't help, or if you've found a bug, then I would ask
for further help on the zodb-dev@zope.org list.

Tres.
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From ecolmar@qwest.net  Wed May 30 16:31:40 2001
From: ecolmar@qwest.net (ed colmar)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:31:40 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Database Pack error (Oh NO!)
Message-ID: <000901c0e91d$a344eaa0$d1efe53f@coolant>

Hi!

    I just tried to pack my database, and I got this error.  What do I do?

IOError

Sorry, a site error occurred.

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
publish_module
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in
publish
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: Fake)
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in
publish
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply
    (Object: manage_pack)
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
    (Object: manage_pack)
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/App/ApplicationManager.py, line 411, in
manage_pack
    (Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZODB/DB.py, line 534, in pack
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/zLOG.py, line 213, in LOG
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZLogger/ZLogger.py, line 17, in log_write
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZLogger/stupidFileLogger.py, line 99, in
__call__
  File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZLogger/stupidFileLogger.py, line 151, in
stupid_log_write
IOError: [Errno 5] Input/output error






From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May 30 16:24:27 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:24:27 +0100
Subject: [Zope] oops .... forgot something
References: <20010530151125.C2372@pegasus.ct.gocept.com>
Message-ID: <017501c0e91c$9de301b0$5c773fc1@media1>

That to me says that you have some sort of error when getting data from an
external SQL DB.

Are you using one?
If so, which one?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Theune" <ct@gocept.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:11 PM
Subject: [Zope] oops .... forgot something


> ------
> 2001-05-30T12:22:33 ERROR(200) ZServer uncaptured python exception,
closing channel <zhttp_channel connected 10.1.1.3:3570 at 8b394a4 channel#:
23 requests:2> (socket.error:(32, 'Broken pipe')
[/home/zope2/ZServer/medusa/asynchat.py|handle_read|80]
[/home/zope2/ZServer/medusa/http_server.py|recv|405]
[/home/zope2/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|recv|301])
> ------
> 2001-05-30T12:41:11 ERROR(200) ZODB Couldn't load state for
'\000\000\000\000\000\000@\017'
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /home/zope2/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py, line 508, in setstate
> AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute 'load'
>
> this are the messages i forgot in my last posting
>
> --
> Christian Theune - ct@gocept.com
> gocept gmbh & co.kg - schalaunische strasse 6 - 06366 koethen/anhalt
> tel.+49 3496 3099112 - fax.+49 3496 3099118 mob. - 0178 48 33 981
>
> reduce(lambda x,y:x+y,map(lambda
x:chr(ord(x)^42),tuple('zS^BED\nX_FOY\x0b')))
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
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From tim@freepm.org  Wed May 30 16:25:03 2001
From: tim@freepm.org (Tim Cook)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:25:03 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Looking for a timer
References: <000701c0e909$4e261530$43a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <3B1510CF.BFBBAD3D@iswt.com>

Robert Rottermann wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> is there a way to poll for a flag and go to hibernation for a given amount
> of time if it is not set.
> 
> thanks for your tips.
> 

If you mean from the client then yes. 
You can use javascript.  

If you'd like to be more specific, then maybe I can answer more
specifically. <s>

HTH,
-- 
Tim Cook, President - FreePM,Inc. 
http://www.FreePM.com Office: (731) 884-4126
ONLINE DEMO: http://www.freepm.org:8080/FreePM


From phil.harris@zope.co.uk  Wed May 30 16:28:37 2001
From: phil.harris@zope.co.uk (Phil Harris)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:28:37 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Database Pack error (Oh NO!)
References: <000901c0e91d$a344eaa0$d1efe53f@coolant>
Message-ID: <018701c0e91d$32ffc440$5c773fc1@media1>

Have you checked that you have enough disk space?

The traceback seems to intimate running out of disk.

----- Original Message -----
From: "ed colmar" <ecolmar@qwest.net>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:31 PM
Subject: [Zope] Database Pack error (Oh NO!)


> Hi!
>
>     I just tried to pack my database, and I got this error.  What do I do?
>
> IOError
>
> Sorry, a site error occurred.
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
> publish_module
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in
> publish
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
> zpublisher_exception_hook
>     (Object: Fake)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in
> publish
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
>     (Object: manage_pack)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in
> call_object
>     (Object: manage_pack)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/App/ApplicationManager.py, line 411, in
> manage_pack
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZODB/DB.py, line 534, in pack
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/zLOG.py, line 213, in LOG
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZLogger/ZLogger.py, line 17, in
log_write
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZLogger/stupidFileLogger.py, line 99, in
> __call__
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZLogger/stupidFileLogger.py, line 151,
in
> stupid_log_write
> IOError: [Errno 5] Input/output error
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Wed May 30 16:53:23 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:53:23 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Database Pack error (Oh NO!)
References: <000901c0e91d$a344eaa0$d1efe53f@coolant>
Message-ID: <07f201c0e920$ae9e9e70$0301a8c0@provence>

Yes,

I fixed this with this patch in the "start" script:
add this line somewhere before the line exec'ing Z2.py:
...
export STUPID_LOG_FILE=${PYTHONHOME}/var/stupidfile.log
...
Of course, the zope process owner (typically "nobody") should have write
access to STUPID_LOG_FILE.

You could perhaps "export STUPID_LOG_FILE=/dev/null" if you don't care about
it.

Hope I helped

--Gilles
----- Original Message -----
From: "ed colmar" <ecolmar@qwest.net>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 5:31 PM
Subject: [Zope] Database Pack error (Oh NO!)


> Hi!
>
>     I just tried to pack my database, and I got this error.  What do I do?
>
> IOError
>
> Sorry, a site error occurred.
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 223, in
> publish_module
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in
> publish
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
> zpublisher_exception_hook
>     (Object: Fake)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in
> publish
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
>     (Object: manage_pack)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in
> call_object
>     (Object: manage_pack)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/App/ApplicationManager.py, line 411, in
> manage_pack
>     (Object: Traversable)
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZODB/DB.py, line 534, in pack
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/zLOG.py, line 213, in LOG
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZLogger/ZLogger.py, line 17, in
log_write
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZLogger/stupidFileLogger.py, line 99, in
> __call__
>   File /usr/local/zope/lib/python/ZLogger/stupidFileLogger.py, line 151,
in
> stupid_log_write
> IOError: [Errno 5] Input/output error
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



From ecolmar@qwest.net  Wed May 30 16:56:38 2001
From: ecolmar@qwest.net (ed colmar)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:56:38 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Database Pack error (Oh NO!)
References: <000901c0e91d$a344eaa0$d1efe53f@coolant> <018701c0e91d$32ffc440$5c773fc1@media1>
Message-ID: <000f01c0e921$201036e0$d1efe53f@coolant>

Nope, there's plenty of space free...  Maybe a permissions problem?

-ed-

> Have you checked that you have enough disk space?
> 
> The traceback seems to intimate running out of disk.




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 30 08:14:44 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:14:44 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts
References: <046001c0e75a$03dad5c0$8271a8c0@uz.kuleuven.ac.be> <013d01c0e75f$1b284ff0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <05f401c0e7bb$be67ace0$1d010a0a@Lifebook> <008601c0e81a$dcf48520$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <004201c0e920$c47f5b80$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> > if _['coffeebreak']:
> >   print 'coffee'
>
> The purpose of the Script bit is to check for the presence of an object OR
> property, isn't it?

Sorry, you've lost me...

Chris



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 29 22:27:14 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:27:14 +0100
Subject: [Zope] ImageFile in a python product
References: <000701c0e84c$43455670$0732c383@jfmenard>
Message-ID: <004101c0e920$c3418450$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> How can I publish images from a python product class?

What are these images used for?

Do they always come off the file system?

cheers,

Chris



From lstafford@morphics.com  Wed May 30 17:10:53 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:10:53 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Looking for a timer
In-Reply-To: <000701c0e909$4e261530$43a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICGEPIGHAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

You haven't been very specific about what you want to do.

Have you looked at Xron (http://www.zope.org/Members/lstaffor/Xron). It
deals with time and waiting. Perhaps it'll help you.

-- Loren


> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> Robert Rottermann
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 06:06
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Looking for a timer
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> is there a way to poll for a flag and go to hibernation for a given amount
> of time if it is not set.
>
> thanks for your tips.
>
> Robert
>



From paz@oratrix.com  Wed May 30 17:13:57 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:13:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Thanks for the fish
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAAEOKCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Hi,

I know this is kinda OT and kinda cross-post, so sue me... hehe. You can't
because I live in a land where sueing is as taboo as sex is in the US...

Anyhow to the point. I have busted my balls for quite a long time now to get
my company's website up and running... All in Zope. I'm pretty proud of it
and I'd like to say thanks to all of you who have helped this newbie out
with Zope 'the world's greatest hack'... (sorry, couldn't help myself on
that one..)

http://shop.oratrix.nl
is the url.

Hope you like my effort. It's still buggy, and if people would like, send
your insults to the list while I bow my head in shame.

Cheers all,
Paz



From gary@digicool.com  Wed May 30 17:18:09 2001
From: gary@digicool.com (Gary Graham)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:18:09 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Zope Survey results posted
Message-ID: <auto-000001995478@digicool.com>

Digital Creations recently sent out a survey request to find out more
about how Zope is being used. The results of that survey request have
been posted. If you would care to view the survey summary see :
=20
http://www.zope.org/Members/gary/Zope_survey
=20
Thanks again to everyone for participating!

--Gary

Gary Graham
gary.graham@digicool.com=20

Digital Creations

office : 540.361.1720   mobile : 540.840.3813   =20
fax    : 540.371.1201   main   : 540.371.6909
www.digicool.com        www.zope.com=20
www.python.org          www.zope.org


From erik@thingamy.net  Wed May 30 18:06:33 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:06:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] ObjectManager problem
In-Reply-To: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D26@exchange>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105301903440.24294-100000@bcryachts.atsat.com>

On Wed, 30 May 2001, [iso-8859-1] Max M=F8ller Rasmussen wrote:

> Well it is, sort of, as I have spend the last 6 hours trying out solution=
s
> to the problem. And now I am sort of run dry.

Have you tried to add something else the way that you try to add that
Image?  Just for the hell of it?
=20
> I don't know how many times this has happened for me when programming
> in zope. In simpler systems like asp and php I would know how to make
> a workaround. But if there is a hurdle in Zope you are just stuck. And
> if the problem isn't rather simple there is no help from neither the
> mailing list nor #zope.

I disagree.  Maybe you should try zope-dev for some of your queries.
=20
> This is Zope's biggest problem for me. You need to know the whole system =
to
> make even simple things.

That's partly very true.  Zope solves a big conseptual problem and isn't
easy to fit into ones mind all at once.  I don't know if you can solve
such a conseptual problem with a smaller consept, so I don't see that as a
problem as such.
=20
> Well that isn't your fault, I just had to let out some steam.

:-)



From joe@iuveno-net.de  Wed May 30 18:06:01 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:06:01 +0200
Subject: [Zope] demo server of Proiektor
References: <030d01c0e8f8$1a6676b0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <016901c0e8fa$5b2010b0$8271a8c0@uz.kuleuven.ac.be> <039c01c0e90e$f0abaa90$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <001901c0e92a$d7a9c6a0$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

Hi!

I guess Stephan will answer this in more detail. Just to show off some
responsiveness, I'll give you a short answer:

>1. Proiektor is now based on DBObjects. Will it be based on SmartObjects
>when the development of these is stable?

Yes ;-) (Right now, SmartObjects are not even completely specified yet ...)

> > 2. Proiektor (I assume due to DBObjects), require PostgresSQL. Is it
> > possible to use another database? ie is the interface created in such a
> way
> > that changing a certain file or files is sufficient to use it on another
> > database? Or is it too intermingled?
>
> And if the answer is anything but "yes", does it help if the "other"
> database is a mysql or oracle or M$ Access or....
> I've already got a running MySQL on my server that I want to use if
> possible.

Right now, it is PostgreSQL only. Some other full-fledged RDBMS should be
very easy to port, e.g. Oracle. MySQL is not likely to be supported as its
SQL syntax is not rich enough (mainly it does not have views). MS Access:
not very likely ...

But feel free to take the code and port it to whatever you want ;-)

Joachim

P.S.: I just asked Stephan: We are working on an Interbase port for a
project; all DBs that support sequences (auto-increment) and views should be
no real problem. Another problem we will fix soon (with the Inter is that we
are using some names that might be keywords in some DBs.



From wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de  Wed May 30 18:11:13 2001
From: wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de (Andreas Wandel)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:11:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how to install Sshell in Zope bindist
Message-ID: <3B1529B1.25785F3B@math.uni-potsdam.de>

Hi,

I guess, how to install the ZShell product into my Zope server.

ZShell requires the 'Distutils' package to be installed as an addon to
python. But the Distutils don't compile in the Zope/python bundle
because of some missing files ('config' dir below
/var/lib/zope/lib/python).

Is there anyone out there, who can give me an 'bindist' of 'Distutils'
which will work in the precompiled Zope 2.3.2 package?

Thanks in advance

	Andreas
--
Andreas Wandel              / Institut fuer Mathematik
Systemtechnik               / Universitaet Potsdam
wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de  / http://www.math.uni-potsdam.de


From tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk  Wed May 30 18:12:18 2001
From: tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk (Tony McDonald)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:12:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope] how many zope member ?
In-Reply-To: <043701c0e918$5676ff60$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <B73AD2CA.8D90%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>

On 30/5/01 3:46 pm, "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com> wrote:

> Here at my french company we are 8 zope developers incl me and I seem to be
> the only one using zope@zope.org
> 
> Isabelle, don't judge the community by it's number of active users. I can't
> possibly be fair.
> 
> Peter

Ditto - I'm the only one here on the Zope list and we have 10 developers in
the immediate vicinity....

Tone.
-- 
Dr Tony McDonald,  Assistant Director, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/
The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope



From ecolmar@qwest.net  Wed May 30 18:22:28 2001
From: ecolmar@qwest.net (ed colmar)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:22:28 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Database Pack error (Oh NO!)
References: <000901c0e91d$a344eaa0$d1efe53f@coolant> <07f201c0e920$ae9e9e70$0301a8c0@provence>
Message-ID: <003001c0e92d$1e033260$d1efe53f@coolant>

That worked...  Thanks.  

Strange.  Why is this needed all of a sudden?

-e-

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>

> I fixed this with this patch in the "start" script:





From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 30 18:49:41 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:49:41 -0700
Subject: [Zope] how many zope member ?
References: <B73AD2CA.8D90%tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <003101c0e930$e86614c0$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

Likewise here 5:1. I remember seeing a number around 10,000. Multiply that
by say 8 :)

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony McDonald" <tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>
To: "Zope mailing list" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] how many zope member ?


> On 30/5/01 3:46 pm, "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com> wrote:
>
> > Here at my french company we are 8 zope developers incl me and I seem to
be
> > the only one using zope@zope.org
> >
> > Isabelle, don't judge the community by it's number of active users. I
can't
> > possibly be fair.
> >
> > Peter
>
> Ditto - I'm the only one here on the Zope list and we have 10 developers
in
> the immediate vicinity....
>
> Tone.
> --
> Dr Tony McDonald,  Assistant Director, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/
> The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
> A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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>



From cpr@emsoftware.com  Wed May 30 18:47:21 2001
From: cpr@emsoftware.com (Chris Ryland)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:47:21 -0400
Subject: [Zope] FAQ-o-matics for Zope?
Message-ID: <07d201c0e930$a6835220$6901a8c0@EM2>

Are there any products for managing FAQ lists under Zope? (I know it's
fairly simple and easy, but I thought I'd ask.)
--
Cheers!
Chris Ryland
Em Software, Inc.
www.emsoftware.com




From troy.farrell@wcg.com  Wed May 30 19:08:15 2001
From: troy.farrell@wcg.com (Farrell, Troy)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:08:15 -0500
Subject: [Zope] how many zope member ?
Message-ID: <DB56BAD3BFCED3119D3100D0B72386560B242CE8@wcgtule103.wcg.williams.com>

Uhhh.  I'm the only zope developer (that I know of) at Williams
Communications :(
I'm not in IT and I get to develop because IT can't develop fast enough :)
They use Java, jsp and asp.  I use zope, python, and perl.

Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy McKay [mailto:andym@ActiveState.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:50 PM
To: Tony McDonald; Zope mailing list
Subject: Re: [Zope] how many zope member ?


Likewise here 5:1. I remember seeing a number around 10,000. Multiply that
by say 8 :)

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony McDonald" <tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk>
To: "Zope mailing list" <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] how many zope member ?


> On 30/5/01 3:46 pm, "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com> wrote:
>
> > Here at my french company we are 8 zope developers incl me and I seem to
be
> > the only one using zope@zope.org
> >
> > Isabelle, don't judge the community by it's number of active users. I
can't
> > possibly be fair.
> >
> > Peter
>
> Ditto - I'm the only one here on the Zope list and we have 10 developers
in
> the immediate vicinity....
>
> Tone.
> --
> Dr Tony McDonald,  Assistant Director, FMCC, http://www.fmcc.org.uk/
> The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 243 6140
> A Zope list for UK HE/FE  http://www.fmcc.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/zope
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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>


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From dave@kovach.com  Wed May 30 19:08:35 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 30 May 2001 11:08:35 -0700
Subject: [Zope] differentiate dtml method from document
Message-ID: <20010530180835.16323.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Hi -

Is there a suffix I can add to DTML Methods that would then be recognized by the ZODB upon creating an object externally like from within Dreamweaver?

If I create an object externally and call it SOMEFILE.DTML - it is recognized as a DTML Document.
Ok, good. But, now I want to create a file that will be recognized as a DTML METHOD.

Any ideas?

Thanks

David Kovach






From marc@bowery.com  Wed May 30 19:13:48 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:13:48 -0400
Subject: [Zope] FAQ-o-matics for Zope?
In-Reply-To: <07d201c0e930$a6835220$6901a8c0@EM2>
Message-ID: <B73AB09C.2E397%marc@bowery.com>

Check out Knowledge Kit.

> From: "Chris Ryland" <cpr@emsoftware.com>
> Organization: Em Software, Inc.
> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:47:21 -0400
> To: <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: [Zope] FAQ-o-matics for Zope?
> 
> Are there any products for managing FAQ lists under Zope? (I know it's
> fairly simple and easy, but I thought I'd ask.)
> --
> Cheers!
> Chris Ryland
> Em Software, Inc.
> www.emsoftware.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists - 
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From afterz@zipmail.com  Wed May 30 19:21:59 2001
From: afterz@zipmail.com (After Dark)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:21:59 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Insert file through ftp.
Message-ID: <web-4871775@zipmail.com>

Can I insert a file throuht ftp and define its type or
change it later?

I made a product PrX ,with OFS.File and Catalog, and I want
to put many files into my project and that its type to be of
PrX. I think that the easiest way to do that is through ftp.

There are 2005 files to insert with the meta_type of PrX,
wouldn`t be possible to do one each time. How can I do
that??

--
--Ricardo Kohler
          Costa
________________________________________________
Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/



From rroeber1@unl.edu  Wed May 30 19:23:10 2001
From: rroeber1@unl.edu (rroeber1@unl.edu)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:23:10 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Complicated mix of http, https, and ProxyPass
Message-ID: <OF301078F9.3F4EFF8D-ON86256A5C.006403DA@unl.edu>

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Sent by: zope-admin@zope.org
05/30/01 11:06 AM
Please respond to zope

 
        To:     zope@zope.org
        cc: 
        Subject:        Zope digest, Vol 1 #1431 - 41 msgs
Subject: Re: [Zope] Complicated mix of http, https, and ProxyPass


> I'm having quite the issue right now and am wondering if there is a
> workaround
> for it. (let me know if i'm posting to the wrong place)

> Basically my setup is as follows:

> I have apache 1.3.19/mod_ssl running with ProxyPass setup for /Zope to
> "localhost:9080.."  I want, however, */manage to always go over SSL.  I
> already
> have it setup to block non-ssl attempts to */manage with FilesMatch 
rules
> in
> apache.  I don't want the rest of the site to go require SSL, but the 
only
> way,
> apparently to have */manage use SSL is to have a siteroot object with 
the
> base
> set to https.  This makes every link that uses that dtml variable use
> https.

> Is there any way I could only have admin interface require SSL?  Without
> having
> the rest of the site do so?

In Apache: I don't know if this works with ProxyPass but it works with 
FastCGI. All urls with 'manage' in them are forced through https.

<IfModule mod_ssl.c>
 RewriteEngine on
 RewriteCond %{HTTPS} !=on
 RewriteRule ^/(.*manage.*) https://%{HTTP_HOST}/$1 [R]
</IfModule>

Best of Luck,
Ron



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&gt; I have apache 1.3.19/mod_ssl running with ProxyPass setup for /Zope to<br>
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&gt; apache. &nbsp;I don't want the rest of the site to go require SSL, but the only<br>
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&gt; base<br>
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&gt; having<br>
&gt; the rest of the site do so?</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Courier New">In Apache: I don't know if this works with ProxyPass but it works with FastCGI. All urls with 'manage' in them are forced through https.</font>
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From sitongia@qwest.net  Wed May 30 19:37:02 2001
From: sitongia@qwest.net (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:37:02 -0600
Subject: [Zope] Error Value: Can't add Tutorial
Message-ID: <01053012370201.00408@odo>

Environment:
FreeBSD 4.2
Python 1.5.2
Zope 2.3.2
Apache/PCGI
Netscape 4.7

I've installed Zope, running with Apache.  I've used the super manager 
account to create my user account.  Logged in as my user account, I
try to add the Tutorial, and get:

Error Type: Bad Request
Error Value: The ZGadflyDA product must be installed!

ZGadflyDA is in the Products list.

The Apache log says:

 10.0.1.99 - - [30/May/2001:12:35:57 -0600] "POST 
/Zope/Sitongia%20Home/manage_addProduct/ZopeTutorial/addTutorial HTTP/1.0" 
400 1933 
"http://odo/Zope/Sitongia%20Home/manage_addProduct/ZopeTutorial/tutorialAdd" 
"Mozilla/4.76 [en] (X11;
U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386)"    

Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,
==Leonard


From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 30 20:06:14 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:06:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how to install Sshell in Zope bindist
In-Reply-To: <3B1529B1.25785F3B@math.uni-potsdam.de>; from wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de on Wed, May 30, 2001 at 07:11:13PM +0200
References: <3B1529B1.25785F3B@math.uni-potsdam.de>
Message-ID: <20010530210614.A562@nordine.ateur>

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 07:11:13PM +0200, Andreas Wandel wrote:

> I guess, how to install the ZShell product into my Zope server.
> 
> ZShell requires the 'Distutils' package to be installed as an addon to
> python. But the Distutils don't compile in the Zope/python bundle
> because of some missing files ('config' dir below
> /var/lib/zope/lib/python).
> 
> Is there anyone out there, who can give me an 'bindist' of 'Distutils'
> which will work in the precompiled Zope 2.3.2 package?

The problem is not in ZShell, it's in the jaxml module which is needed by
ZShell.

The jaxml installation procedure uses the new Distutils standard Python 
module for installation. Unfortunately Distutils is not part of Python 1.5.2
but is only available as an add-on. Python 1.5.2 is probably the version
which is embedded in your Zope version, since newer version are still
officially unsupported until Zope 2.4 is out

The simple solution is just to copy the jaxml.py file to the Zope embedded 
Python site-packages directory on your hard disk, if it exists, or anywhere
else in your $PYTHONPATH

Then copy the zshell.py file to your zope's $INSTANCE_HOME/Extensions 
directory on your hard disk, add this external method from the Zope's
management interface, click on its "Test" tab, that's it !

I've never installed a precompiled version of Zope, so I hope I didn't made
too much mistakes, however just copy the two python files where they need
to be copied, and this should work fine.

bye,

Jerome Alet
Download ZShell from: http://cortex.unice.fr/~jerome/zshell/


From mindlace@digicool.com  Wed May 30 20:13:46 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:13:46 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zope.org going down
Message-ID: <24050000.991250026@localhost.localdomain>

zope.org is going to move from one storage server to another that has a 
good motherboard :)

Anything you write to the site from now until I send another message may be 
lost.

Thanks for your understanding,
--
ethan mindlace fremen
zopatista community liason


From alet@unice.fr  Wed May 30 20:09:13 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:09:13 +0200
Subject: [Zope] differentiate dtml method from document
In-Reply-To: <20010530180835.16323.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>; from dave@kovach.com on Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:08:35AM -0700
References: <20010530180835.16323.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <20010530210913.B562@nordine.ateur>

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:08:35AM -0700, dave@kovach.com wrote:
> Hi -
> 
> Is there a suffix I can add to DTML Methods that would then be recognized by the ZODB upon creating an object externally like from within Dreamweaver?
> 
> If I create an object externally and call it SOMEFILE.DTML - it is recognized as a DTML Document.
> Ok, good. But, now I want to create a file that will be recognized as a DTML METHOD.
> 
> Any ideas?

Yes: see my latest feature request on this list a week ago: it's not 
possible yet, but at least Evan at DC seems to think it's doable in a future 
version.

bye,

Jerome Alet


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 30 20:33:23 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:33:23 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] FAQ-o-matics for Zope?
In-Reply-To: <07d201c0e930$a6835220$6901a8c0@EM2>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105302332510.27404-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Chris Ryland wrote:
> Are there any products for managing FAQ lists under Zope? (I know it's
> fairly simple and easy, but I thought I'd ask.)

   FlexFAQ2 does perfect job for me!

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From Steve Palla" <stevep@pobox.com  Wed May 30 20:56:30 2001
From: Steve Palla" <stevep@pobox.com (Steve Palla)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ZMySQLDA
Message-ID: <001b01c0e942$9f72fb40$0400a8c0@home.com>

Hello,

I am trying to get MySQL support for zope 2.3.2 working.  I have installed
mysql-python 0.3.5 and ZMySQLDA 2.0.6.  I copied the _mysql.so file to my
ZMySQLDA directory under my zope installation.  When I start zope with
./start I get the following error:

2001-05-30T23:40:07 ERROR(200) Zope Couldn't import Products.ZMySQLDA
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/zope/2-3-2/lib/python/OFS/Application.py, line 528, in
import_products
    (Object: string)
  File /usr/local/zope/2-3-2/lib/python/Products/ZMySQLDA/__init__.py, line
91, in ?
  File /usr/local/zope/2-3-2/lib/python/Products/ZMySQLDA/DA.py, line 91, in
?
  File /usr/local/zope/2-3-2/lib/python/Products/ZMySQLDA/db.py, line 89, in
?
ImportError: /usr/local/zope/2-3-2/lib/python/Products/ZMySQLDA/_mysql.so:
undefined symbol: PyObject_Init

Zope starts but with MySQL support.  I saw messages in the archive about
this problem, but did not see any solutions.
I am running Mandrake 8 with MySQL 3.23.36

Anyone have any idea as to what I may be doing wrong?

Thanks for any help,
Steve



From schneida@seiu.org  Wed May 30 21:25:22 2001
From: schneida@seiu.org (Anders Schneiderman)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:25:22 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Customizing / borrowing code from /manage/ screens
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20010530160713.009f81d0@larry.seiu.org>

I just started playing w/ Zope, and I'm trying to do a simple Intranet site 
to show my bosses what Zope can do.  I like the way Zope handles content 
management through /manage/.  I'd like to use a slightly customized, 
simpler version for our users.  Is there an easy way to do this, either by 
customizing or borrowing existing code?

Thanks,
Anders Schneiderman
SEIU International

P.S. If this question has been answered elsewhere, just let me know where 
to look; I couldn't find it when I poked around, but I might not have known 
the right heading to seek.



From sajt@amon.hu  Wed May 30 21:34:48 2001
From: sajt@amon.hu (Tamas Amon)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:34:48 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Import error
Message-ID: <3B155968.6AAA50CC@amon.hu>

Hello,

I try to import some *.zexp file, what I download from zope.org. But I
always get the:
No module named Renderable
Why it is? And how I can solve this problem?

Thanks a lot
-- 
Amon Tamas
sajt@amon.hu


From jhf@say.no  Wed May 30 21:58:34 2001
From: jhf@say.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?J=F8rgen=20Hermanrud=20Fjeld?=)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:58:34 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Import error
In-Reply-To: <3B155968.6AAA50CC@amon.hu>
References: <3B155968.6AAA50CC@amon.hu>
Message-ID: <01053022583402.23249@frodo>

Hi.

Did you type:
modulename.zexp
or just
modulename
?
I believe the latter is correct.

onsdag 30. mai 2001 22:34, skrev Tamas Amon:
> Hello,
>
> I try to import some *.zexp file, what I download from zope.org. But I
> always get the:
> No module named Renderable
> Why it is? And how I can solve this problem?
>
> Thanks a lot


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Wed May 30 21:59:51 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:59:51 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] Customizing / borrowing code from /manage/ screens
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20010530160713.009f81d0@larry.seiu.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105310055310.28805-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Anders Schneiderman wrote:
> I just started playing w/ Zope, and I'm trying to do a simple Intranet site
> to show my bosses what Zope can do.  I like the way Zope handles content
> management through /manage/.  I'd like to use a slightly customized,
> simpler version for our users.  Is there an easy way to do this, either by
> customizing or borrowing existing code?

   It depends on what you want. You can write ZClasses, Products, or just
hack Zope sources.

   ZClasses is "programming with mouse", "visul programming" kind of
things. Very easy, but powerful enough to do many things. Really, I
recommend you to learn ZClasses. It is very easy to customize a ZClass'
management screens.

   Zope Products are really installable components (plugins) written in
Python. They are more powerful (they have access to Zope Product API which
is more cpable than ZClass API) but more complex to learn and program.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From philippe.jadin@123piano.com  Wed May 30 19:06:35 2001
From: philippe.jadin@123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:06:35 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Zsyncer problem?
Message-ID: <001401c0e94b$e9d763c0$9987043e@r3g4p8>

Hello,

Just tried zsyncer, and let me tell you that this tool is great!

However, it seems that there is a quite big security problem with the
current version : if you place the zsyncer on a subfolder of root, it stills
gives you the ability to sync root folders, and any subfolder, wether you
have the rights to do so or not. It's not a problem if you are root, but
else...

False alert? I hope I explained the problem clearly enough...

Something else :

I'm not sure it's allways the right action to delete something which is on
production and not on source ("extra this (red): object is on production but
not development, it needs deleting from production"), for example, if it's
user feedback, it would be cool to add those to the source server (for
backups for instance), and would probably never need to be deleted.

As I said, still the nicest product I found for zope. And this prove that
xml-rpc is robust and fast. (I would say a *lot* faster than ftp for
instance).

Philippe Jadin
www.123piano.com




From marc@bowery.com  Wed May 30 22:15:56 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:15:56 -0400
Subject: [Zope] what's up with sendmail tag in standard_error_message?
Message-ID: <B73ADB4C.2E3F3%marc@bowery.com>

Am I missing something?
I'm running 2.3.2, and simplifying standar_error_message down to this
doesn't even work.  I don't have ZDebug installed (anymore -- same thing
with or without ver 0.2.1):


<dtml-var standard_html_header>

 <dtml-sendmail mailhost="ErrorMailHost" mailto="zope@bowery.com"
mailfrom="Zope System Error Message" subject="Zope Error Report">


There was an error.

 </dtml-sendmail>
 
 <dtml-var standard_html_footer>


I have a mailhost in the root dir called ErrorMailHost, and tried setting
it's security totally lax (anonymous can do anything), doesn't help...

if I don't have a sendmail tag in standard_error_message it works as
expected.  Can't believe it's not working... I'm sure plenty of people have
this setup!



From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 30 22:21:59 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:21:59 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Zsyncer problem?
References: <001401c0e94b$e9d763c0$9987043e@r3g4p8>
Message-ID: <006001c0e94e$a3519e90$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

> However, it seems that there is a quite big security problem with the
> current version : if you place the zsyncer on a subfolder of root, it
stills
> gives you the ability to sync root folders, and any subfolder, wether you
> have the rights to do so or not. It's not a problem if you are root, but
> else...

I know there is the Manager role problem, where a Manager has the right to
do absolutely anything. That bug is in the collector. I was quite careful
about security so I'd like to plug any hole asap. Could you give me any more
detail such as what role, permissions etc?

> I'm not sure it's allways the right action to delete something which is on
> production and not on source ("extra this (red): object is on production
but
> not development, it needs deleting from production"), for example, if it's
> user feedback, it would be cool to add those to the source server (for
> backups for instance), and would probably never need to be deleted.

Yeah ZSyncer is a work for me release. I dont need to do a sync from the
destination to a source, and as long as I continue to use it never will.
This may be a feature to add later, but currently I have no interest in
changing this.

> As I said, still the nicest product I found for zope. And this prove that
> xml-rpc is robust and fast. (I would say a *lot* faster than ftp for
> instance).

Thanks.
--
  Andy McKay.




From wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de  Wed May 30 22:17:53 2001
From: wandel@math.uni-potsdam.de (Andreas Wandel)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:17:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how to install Sshell in Zope bindist
References: <3B1529B1.25785F3B@math.uni-potsdam.de> <20010530210614.A562@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <3B156381.D11BA0@math.uni-potsdam.de>

It works !

Though there is no site-packages directory, i put the jaxml.py file to
/var/lib/zope/lib/python1.5 . No further changes to this advisory.

Thanks,
Andreas

Jerome Alet wrote:
> The simple solution is just to copy the jaxml.py file to the Zope embedded
> Python site-packages directory on your hard disk, if it exists, or anywhere
> else in your $PYTHONPATH
> 
> Then copy the zshell.py file to your zope's $INSTANCE_HOME/Extensions
> directory on your hard disk, add this external method from the Zope's
> management interface, click on its "Test" tab, that's it !
> 
> I've never installed a precompiled version of Zope, so I hope I didn't made
> too much mistakes, however just copy the two python files where they need
> to be copied, and this should work fine.


From lstafford@morphics.com  Wed May 30 22:04:51 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:04:51 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Customizing / borrowing code from /manage/ screens
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20010530160713.009f81d0@larry.seiu.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICIEACGIAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

What most of us have done in the past is to write custom user interfaces,
calling the underlying /manage interfaces (and borrowing code where
applicable).

The new way is to use the CMF (Content Management Framework
http://cmf.zope.org) -- a Zope product that comes with a more user-oriented
management inderface and the ability to delegate content management to
selected users.

In the long run, you will appreciate not having to reinvent the things that
the CMF does for you. In the short run, it's yet another steep learning
curve on top of the basic Zope learning curve.

-- Loren


> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> Anders Schneiderman
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 13:25
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Customizing / borrowing code from /manage/ screens
>
>
> I just started playing w/ Zope, and I'm trying to do a simple
> Intranet site
> to show my bosses what Zope can do.  I like the way Zope handles content
> management through /manage/.  I'd like to use a slightly customized,
> simpler version for our users.  Is there an easy way to do this,
> either by
> customizing or borrowing existing code?
>
> Thanks,
> Anders Schneiderman
> SEIU International
>
> P.S. If this question has been answered elsewhere, just let me know where
> to look; I couldn't find it when I poked around, but I might not
> have known
> the right heading to seek.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jwalcik@notwithstanding.org  Wed May 30 22:32:30 2001
From: jwalcik@notwithstanding.org (jacob walcik)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:32:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] zope and mod_rewrite
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105301627110.7486-100000@web.mylinuxisp.com>

i'm using zope w/ apache (fast_cgi if that's important) and trying to
setup a series of virtual hosts.  the virtual hosts themselves work just
fine, as to the /image directories i've defined within them, however when
i try and hit the virtualhost directly via the url
"utilities.mycompany.com" it dumps me into the zope management interface
at the root of the folder that i am trying to setup as the root of the
virtual host. i'm pretty sure this is due to me screwing up this rewrite
rule:
RewriteRule ^/(.*) 
http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/utilities.iensemble.com:80/utilities/VirtualHostRoot/$1

(that's all one line in the httpd.conf)

i generated that based on the blurb the virtualhostmonster i created spat
out.  

is there something obvious i've done wrong here?  

--
jacob walcik
jwalcik@notwithstanding.org



From tino@wildenhain.de  Wed May 30 22:50:05 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:50:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Insert file through ftp.
In-Reply-To: <web-4871775@zipmail.com>
References: <web-4871775@zipmail.com>
Message-ID: <3779948.991266604@BUZZER>

Hi After (is this your name?)

you simply cant. At least not with the standard
Folder object. To do that, you need a subclass
or another class which overrides Folder objects
behavior. This must be a product in python.

An idea of mine was to let classes negotiate which
type of files they want and let the user decide,
which classes he wants in a folder-like object.
(like you can do with your own sublcass of ObjectManager,
but only affecting the management interface)

Many things to do....

Regards
Tino

--On Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2001 14:21 -0400 After Dark <afterz@zipmail.com> 
wrote:

>
> Can I insert a file throuht ftp and define its type or
> change it later?
>
> I made a product PrX ,with OFS.File and Catalog, and I want
> to put many files into my project and that its type to be of
> PrX. I think that the easiest way to do that is through ftp.
>
> There are 2005 files to insert with the meta_type of PrX,
> wouldn`t be possible to do one each time. How can I do
> that??
>
> --
> --Ricardo Kohler
>           Costa
> ________________________________________________
> Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From andym@ActiveState.com  Wed May 30 23:05:27 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:05:27 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Changing DTML Methods into DTML Documents
Message-ID: <00fe01c0e954$a3484100$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

I cant remember if someone wrote a script to do this. I need to transform
quite a lot easily so was going to write a quick script to do it, unless
someone has done one already...

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.





From aem@byu.edu  Wed May 30 23:06:38 2001
From: aem@byu.edu (Adrian Madrid)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:06:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] Changing properties for bunch of zclass objects
Message-ID: <20010530220638.57100.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com>

I need to change the properties of a bunch of zclass
objects and I can't seem to hit the zen necessary.
HELP!

Here's my unsuccesful code:

<dtml-let
articls="portal_catalog.searchResults(meta_type='CMFArticle')">
<dtml-in articls>
<dtml-with sequence-item>
<dtml-call
"_propertysheets.Extra.manage_changeProperties(
highlighted='on',
featured='on'
)">
</dtml-with>




=====
---------------------------
Adrian Esteban Madrid
Benson Institute, Webmaster
Brigham Young University
---------------------------
adrian_esteban@madrid.com
===========================

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From maxmcorp@worldonline.dk  Wed May 30 23:27:43 2001
From: maxmcorp@worldonline.dk (Max M)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:27:43 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Changing properties for bunch of zclass objects
In-Reply-To: <20010530220638.57100.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <GPEEKBGENEOONHLCPNLPCEIHDOAA.maxmcorp@worldonline.dk>

Maybe this will help:

<dtml-call "REQUEST.set('articls',
portal_catalog.searchResults(meta_type='CMFArticle'))"
<dtml-in articls>
   <dtml-with sequence-item>
   <dtml-call "_propertysheets.Extra.manage_changeProperties(
    highlighted='on',
    featured='on')">
</dtml-in>

regards max M

Max M. W. Rasmussen,    Denmark.   New Media Director
private: maxmcorp@worldonline.dk work: maxm@normik.dk
-----------------------------------------------------
Shipping software is an unnatural act

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> Adrian Madrid
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:07 AM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] Changing properties for bunch of zclass objects
>
>
> I need to change the properties of a bunch of zclass
> objects and I can't seem to hit the zen necessary.
> HELP!
>
> Here's my unsuccesful code:
>
> <dtml-let
> articls="portal_catalog.searchResults(meta_type='CMFArticle')">
> <dtml-in articls>
> <dtml-with sequence-item>
> <dtml-call
> "_propertysheets.Extra.manage_changeProperties(
> highlighted='on',
> featured='on'
> )">
> </dtml-with>
>
>
>
>
> =====
> ---------------------------
> Adrian Esteban Madrid
> Benson Institute, Webmaster
> Brigham Young University
> ---------------------------
> adrian_esteban@madrid.com
> ===========================
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35
> a year!  http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
>
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From mindlace@digicool.com  Wed May 30 23:50:23 2001
From: mindlace@digicool.com (ethan mindlace fremen)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:50:23 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zope.org safe for writing
In-Reply-To: <24050000.991250026@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <44040000.991263023@localhost.localdomain>

ok, we should be all right now.  thanks for your patience,
--
ethan mindlace fremen
zopatista community liason


From jleach@mail.ocis.net  Thu May 31 00:19:40 2001
From: jleach@mail.ocis.net (Jason C. Leach)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:19:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] MailForm
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105301617240.15956-100000@praha>

hi,

I'm doing a simple mail form according to a HOWTO on the zope site. When I
submit the mail form I get:

           Zope Error

           Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.

           Error Type: TypeError
           Error Value: len() of unsized object

And am not sure why.  It's pretty simple DTML and I understand it all. I'm
using:
Zope Version     Zope 2.3.2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2) 
Python Version   1.5.2 (#0, Dec 27 2000, 13:59:38) [GCC 2.95.2 20000220
                 (Debian GNU/Linux)] 
System Platform  linux2 
Process Id       20502 (2051) 
Running For      19 days 2 hours 28 min 15 sec 

Thanks,
j.

......................
..... Jason C. Leach
... University College of the Cariboo.
.. 



From jens@dataflake.org  Thu May 31 00:27:36 2001
From: jens@dataflake.org (Jens Vagelpohl)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:27:36 -0400
Subject: [Zope] what's up with sendmail tag in standard_error_message?
In-Reply-To: <B73ADB4C.2E3F3%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <B73AFA28.456B%jens@dataflake.org>

this setup works for me in my standard_error_message (on 2.3.2):

*************************************
<dtml-sendmail smtphost="mail.dataflake.org">
To: site_errors@dataflake.org
From: Site Errors <webmaster@type4.org>
Subject: [type4.org Error] <dtml-if name="error_type"><dtml-var
name="error_type"><dtml-else>Oops</dtml-if>

Reported an error <dtml-if name="error_type">of type <dtml-var
name="error_type"> </dtml-if>for the following URL:

<dtml-var name="URL0">

<dtml-if name="REMOTE_HOST">
Requested by Host: <dtml-var name="REMOTE_HOST">
</dtml-if>

<dtml-if name="REMOTE_ADDR">
Requested by Address: <dtml-var name="REMOTE_ADDR">
</dtml-if>

<dtml-if name="HTTP_REFERER">
Linked from: <dtml-var name="HTTP_REFERER">
</dtml-if>

<dtml-if name="error_tb">
<dtml-var name="error_tb">
</dtml-if>

</dtml-sendmail>
*****************************************

jens


"marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com> had the following to say:

> Am I missing something?
> I'm running 2.3.2, and simplifying standar_error_message down to this
> doesn't even work.  I don't have ZDebug installed (anymore -- same thing
> with or without ver 0.2.1):
> 
> 
> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> 
> <dtml-sendmail mailhost="ErrorMailHost" mailto="zope@bowery.com"
> mailfrom="Zope System Error Message" subject="Zope Error Report">
> 
> 
> There was an error.
> 
> </dtml-sendmail>
> 
> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
> 
> 
> I have a mailhost in the root dir called ErrorMailHost, and tried setting
> it's security totally lax (anonymous can do anything), doesn't help...
> 
> if I don't have a sendmail tag in standard_error_message it works as
> expected.  Can't believe it's not working... I'm sure plenty of people have
> this setup!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From steve@spvi.com  Thu May 31 02:56:38 2001
From: steve@spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:56:38 -0500
Subject: [Zope] MailForm
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105301617240.15956-100000@praha>
Message-ID: <200105310159.f4V1xno88474@obsidian.spvi.com>

Hi Jason,

	You need to post the whole traceback. It's hard to tell based on 
just the error type and value.

-steve

On Wednesday, May 30, 2001, at 06:19 PM, Jason C. Leach wrote:

> hi,
>
> I'm doing a simple mail form according to a HOWTO on the zope site. 
> When I
> submit the mail form I get:
>
>            Zope Error
>
>            Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
>
>            Error Type: TypeError
>            Error Value: len() of unsized object
>
> And am not sure why.  It's pretty simple DTML and I understand it all. 
> I'm
> using:
> Zope Version     Zope 2.3.2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
> Python Version   1.5.2 (#0, Dec 27 2000, 13:59:38) [GCC 2.95.2 20000220
>                  (Debian GNU/Linux)]
> System Platform  linux2
> Process Id       20502 (2051)
> Running For      19 days 2 hours 28 min 15 sec
>
> Thanks,
> j.
>
> ......................
> ..... Jason C. Leach
> ... University College of the Cariboo.
> ..
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


From drees@the-bridge.net  Thu May 31 03:05:59 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:05:59 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Converting dtml-in to a pythonscript
Message-ID: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLOEONCJAA.drees@the-bridge.net>



somedtmlmethod contains:
<dtml-with "PARENTS[0].somefolder">
  <dtml-var anotherdtmlmethod>
</dtml-with>



This works in dtml:
<dtml-in somesequence>
  <dtml-var "somedtmlmethod(_.None,_,id=idfromsequence)">
</dtml-in>


How do I do this in a python script?


I've tried:
for item in context.somesequence:
  print context.somedtmlmethod(_.None,_,news_item_id=story.news_item_id)
return printed


--Steve
desperately seeking zen



From wade@lightlink.com  Thu May 31 03:10:38 2001
From: wade@lightlink.com (Wade Leftwich)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:10:38 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Dispensing with querystring?
Message-ID: <NBELIFBEOKLCEKEGBHHPMEGLCIAA.wade@lightlink.com>

I've got an application that has Urls like this:

www.myzopesite.com/article?id=42

Is it possible to rewrite the 'article' object so that a Url like this
=> www.myzopesite.com/article/42.html <=  will work?

That is, I don't want 'article' to try to acquire '42.html' anywhere; I want
it to process id=42.

Any advice appreciated.

Wade Leftwich
Ithaca, NY




From drees@the-bridge.net  Thu May 31 03:12:50 2001
From: drees@the-bridge.net (Steve Drees)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:12:50 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Converting dtml-in to a pythonscript
In-Reply-To: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLOEONCJAA.drees@the-bridge.net>
Message-ID: <OFEKKOFOONCDOEAFGAJLIEOOCJAA.drees@the-bridge.net>

> I've tried:
> for item in context.somesequence:
>   print context.somedtmlmethod(_.None,_,id=idfromsequence)
    # Steve needs to work harder at searching before posting :)
    print context.somedtmlmethod(context,context.REQUEST,id=idfromsequence

> return printed
> 
> 
> --Steve
> desperately seeking zen

Could place to seek is at http://zope.nipltd.com


--Steve
"Seek and ye shall find..."


From lstaffor@dynalogic.com  Thu May 31 06:00:44 2001
From: lstaffor@dynalogic.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:00:44 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Fw: Help with Xron
Message-ID: <00a301c0e98e$a6709dc0$2201a8c0@pav2>

----- Original Message -----
From: "PAULICKA,CHRISTOPHER (HP-PaloAlto,ex1)" <christopher_paulicka@hp.com>
To: "Loren Stafford" <lstaffor@dynalogic.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: Help with Xron


> Loren,
>
> Thanks for your help.  It was the permissions issue.  I changed the
> permissions for the scheduler to Manager, and now it works perfectly.
(I'll
> probably make a new permissions category for Mailhost access.)
>
> Thanks so much, you do good work!
>
> Christopher Paulicka
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loren Stafford [mailto:lstaffor@dynalogic.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:27 PM
> To: Christopher Paulicka
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: Help with Xron
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Paulicka" <christopher_paulicka@hp.com>
> To: "'Loren Stafford'" <lstaffor@dynalogic.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:19 PM
> Subject: RE: Help with Xron
>
>
> > Loren,
> >
> > >Look inside the Schedule catalog. It's index_html method lists the
> entries
> > >in the schedule. Is yours there?
>
> What did you see when you looked inside the catalog?
>
> >> If not, go and edit the method. You don't
> > >have to change it, if it's all set correctly, just pretend you made a
> > change
> > >and click the Update button (or whatever it's called). That action will
> > >reschedule the method. Then look in the Schedule again to be sure it's
> > >there.
> >
> > I did that numerous times.  It doesn't seem to make a difference.  I can
> > even rewrite the event, make a simpler event, all of that.  When I
trigger
> > or view, it works.  But the program never runs during the day, never
> > automatically triggers like a good scheduler should.
> >
> > >Once you got STUPID_LOG working, what shows in the log? If the
Dispatcher
> > >tried to fire your method, there will be an entry in the log. Any
errors
> > >will also be noted.
> >
> > The STUPID_LOG points to a file which wasn't there.  I had assumed it
> would
> > create it if it didn't exist.
> >
> > Since then, I put a blank log file by the name ("zopeapp.log") into the
> > directory, just in case, but that hasn't been written to yet.
>
> If STUPID_LOG_FILE is working, Zope will write its startup messages to it,
> independently of Xron. So, from what you said, I guess you don't have it
> working yet. You can't do much debugging without either STUPID_LOG_FILE or
> running in terminal debug mode. I'd suggest you get the log working first.
> If you can't get it working with a STUPID_LOG_FILE environment entry, try
> the Frozen Logger product.
>
> What version of Zope? What OS?
>
> > >To send email, your Xron Scheduled Method needs permission to use
> Mailhost.
> > >An Xron Scheduled Method by default has the permissions of "Anonymous
> > User".
> > >You may have to give the method a proxy role that has permissions to
use
> > >Mailhost.
> >
> > I know the mail works, because when I view or trigger my Xron method, it
> > sends out the mailing list.  The problem is not with the e-mail, but
with
> > the Scheduler never seeming to send the darn thing.
>
> But when you view or trigger it you have Manager permissions. That's
> different from the Dispatcher environment which has the permissions of
> Anonymous User.
>
> -- Loren
>
>



From magnus.heino@rivermen.se  Thu May 31 06:18:47 2001
From: magnus.heino@rivermen.se (Magnus Heino)
Date: 31 May 2001 07:18:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Import error
In-Reply-To: <3B155968.6AAA50CC@amon.hu>
References: <3B155968.6AAA50CC@amon.hu>
Message-ID: <991286331.1214.1.camel@daysleeper.rivernet.rivermen.se>

> I try to import some *.zexp file, what I download from zope.org. But I
> always get the:
> No module named Renderable
> Why it is? And how I can solve this problem?

http://www.zope.org/Members/lalo/Renderable-ZClass

/Magnus



From e.seifert@gmx.net  Thu May 31 06:43:22 2001
From: e.seifert@gmx.net (E. Seifert)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:43:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Dispensing with querystring?
References: <NBELIFBEOKLCEKEGBHHPMEGLCIAA.wade@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c0e994$9ab8d550$1b00000a@e700>

Hi Wade,

Wade Leftwich wrote:
> I've got an application that has Urls like this:
>
> www.myzopesite.com/article?id=42
>
> Is it possible to rewrite the 'article' object so that a Url like this
> => www.myzopesite.com/article/42.html <=  will work?
>
> That is, I don't want 'article' to try to acquire '42.html' anywhere; I
want
> it to process id=42.

I'm using PathHandler product for such things.
You can get it from http://www.zope.org/Members/NIP/PathHandler

Bye
Eric




From Isabelle.Neunreither@Dresdner-Bank.com  Thu May 31 07:47:11 2001
From: Isabelle.Neunreither@Dresdner-Bank.com (Neunreither, Isabelle)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:47:11 +0200
Subject: [Zope] how many zope member ?
Message-ID: <F39260401A4FD311BB6700805FA7821B27E006@ffz00zad.wwz1me.mail.dresdner.net>

Ok, i know it is difficult to define how many people are active with zope,
but i only wanted some numbers to show how the Zope community are increasing
since zope is an open source.

Thanks for all your answers.
Isabelle

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg Broytmann [mailto:phd@phd.fep.ru]
Sent: Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2001 17:13
To: Zope Mailing List
Cc: Isabelle.Neunreither@Dresdner-Bank.com
Subject: Re: RE:[Zope] how many zope member ?


On Wed, 30 May 2001, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
> Here at my french company we are 8 zope developers incl me and I seem to
be
> the only one using zope@zope.org
>
> Isabelle, don't judge the community by it's number of active users. I
can't
> possibly be fair.

   Nice point!

   Let me count. There are about 100 subscribers in Russian Python and Zope
mailing list. Of these 100 there are about 5 very active users and about
5-10 not so active. Of these 10 I am (probably) the only one subscribed to
zope@zope.org.

   How would you estimate the community size based on this numbers? :)

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.


From jleach@mail.ocis.net  Thu May 31 08:10:29 2001
From: jleach@mail.ocis.net (Jason C. Leach)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] MailForm
In-Reply-To: <200105310159.f4V1xno88474@obsidian.spvi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105310010040.16658-100000@praha>

hi,

That's it.  After that is a HR and some troubleshooting suggestions. no
more error output.

j.

......................
..... Jason C. Leach
... University College of the Cariboo.
.. 

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Steve Spicklemire wrote:

> Hi Jason,
> 
> 	You need to post the whole traceback. It's hard to tell based on 
> just the error type and value.
> 
> -steve
> 
> On Wednesday, May 30, 2001, at 06:19 PM, Jason C. Leach wrote:
> 
> > hi,
> >
> > I'm doing a simple mail form according to a HOWTO on the zope site. 
> > When I
> > submit the mail form I get:
> >
> >            Zope Error
> >
> >            Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> >
> >            Error Type: TypeError
> >            Error Value: len() of unsized object
> >
> > And am not sure why.  It's pretty simple DTML and I understand it all. 
> > I'm
> > using:
> > Zope Version     Zope 2.3.2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
> > Python Version   1.5.2 (#0, Dec 27 2000, 13:59:38) [GCC 2.95.2 20000220
> >                  (Debian GNU/Linux)]
> > System Platform  linux2
> > Process Id       20502 (2051)
> > Running For      19 days 2 hours 28 min 15 sec
> >
> > Thanks,
> > j.
> >
> > ......................
> > ..... Jason C. Leach
> > ... University College of the Cariboo.
> > ..
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
> 
> 



From mail@peterbe.com  Thu May 31 08:14:01 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:14:01 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Python Scripts
References: <046001c0e75a$03dad5c0$8271a8c0@uz.kuleuven.ac.be> <013d01c0e75f$1b284ff0$1c64a8c0@PBN> <05f401c0e7bb$be67ace0$1d010a0a@Lifebook> <008601c0e81a$dcf48520$1c64a8c0@PBN> <004201c0e920$c47f5b80$1d010a0a@Lifebook>
Message-ID: <04a501c0e9a4$21838670$1c64a8c0@PBN>

> > > if _['coffeebreak']:
> > >   print 'coffee'
> >
> > The purpose of the Script bit is to check for the presence of an object
OR
> > property, isn't it?
>
> Sorry, you've lost me...

<copy original>
> > How can we in the python script check if the a certain variable exists
in
> > the namespace?

<myresponse>
use
if hasattr(context,'variable'):

<restoftheconfusion>
I'm lost too
> Chris
>




From maxm@normik.dk  Thu May 31 08:35:04 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:35:04 +0200
Subject: [Zope] MailForm
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D29@exchange>


> From: Jason C. Leach [mailto:jleach@mail.ocis.net]

> That's it.  After that is a HR and some troubleshooting 
> suggestions. no
> more error output.

You probably have a fault header. Remember that whitespaces DO matter when
using a MailHost. So no empty lines where there shouldn't be etc. And
remember to use all the nessecary fields.

regards Max M


From robert@redcor.ch  Thu May 31 08:40:07 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:40:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Looking for a timer
References: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICGEPIGHAA.lstafford@morphics.com>
Message-ID: <001801c0e9a4$ea0c5900$43a4023e@karin>

Sory for not beeing clearer

I want to controll in what sequence a series of frames are displayed.
To do this I want to wait for a flag giving permission to go ahead.

I looked into Xron. Seems to be bit of an overkill.

Anyhow, maybe that other remark that my design could be faulty migth be
valid.

Thanks
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Loren Stafford" <lstafford@morphics.com>
To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Zope] Looking for a timer


> You haven't been very specific about what you want to do.
>
> Have you looked at Xron (http://www.zope.org/Members/lstaffor/Xron). It
> deals with time and waiting. Perhaps it'll help you.
>
> -- Loren
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> > Robert Rottermann
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 06:06
> > To: zope@zope.org
> > Subject: [Zope] Looking for a timer
> >
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > is there a way to poll for a flag and go to hibernation for a given
amount
> > of time if it is not set.
> >
> > thanks for your tips.
> >
> > Robert
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From robert@redcor.ch  Thu May 31 08:55:58 2001
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:55:58 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Looking for a timer
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105301706120.23186-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <002601c0e9a7$20cf4a40$43a4023e@karin>

my design migth be flaky.
if I only had a better one ...
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oleg Broytmann" <phd@phd.fep.ru>
To: "Robert Rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Looking for a timer


> On Wed, 30 May 2001, Robert Rottermann wrote:
> > is there a way to poll for a flag and go to hibernation for a given
amount
> > of time if it is not set.
>
>    You can play with treads... but if you are doing something like this in
> the Web application, you are probably doing something wrong.
>
> Oleg.
> ----
>      Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
>            Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
>
>



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 30 21:18:17 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:18:17 +0100
Subject: [Zope] standard_error_message
References: <02b801c0e884$83446a80$6901a8c0@EM2>
Message-ID: <003601c0e9a7$5fd21e70$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> (I guess no one's interested, so I'm digging further.)

I think maybe no-one believes you ;-)

The standard_error_message(s) in your ZODB get used as long as:

1. The error isn't an authentication error, which sucks, but is meant by the
following:

>
> # XXX could this try to use standard_error_message somehow?

2. You standard_error_message method does not, itself, raise an exception.

If either of the above happens, you get the hard coded error messages.
In addition, you can override the standard_error_message in the root of your
ZODB with ones in subfolders, etc...

cheers,

Chris



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May 30 21:28:02 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:28:02 +0100
Subject: [Zope] CST?
References: <20010530151125.C2372@pegasus.ct.gocept.com>
Message-ID: <003701c0e9a7$6cf88350$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> 2001-05-30T12:41:11 ERROR(200) ZODB Couldn't load state for
'\000\000\000\000\000\000@\017'
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File /home/zope2/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py, line 508, in setstate
> AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute 'load'

Are you using the CoreSessionTracking product?

cheers,

Chris



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 31 08:37:57 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:37:57 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Netscape Problems
Message-ID: <004001c0e9a7$89a0c940$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

Hi,

I'm getting a bit suspicious about the number of times Netscape and Zope
aren't playing together for me :-S

Basically, on my desktop machine (WinNT 4, Netscape 4.74) I can't actually
submit to any Zope sites. I click a form button but the browser just sits
there with the N spinning and not doing anything.

I thought that was just my machine, but now on this laptop (Win2000,
Netscape 4.74) the same thing is happening. I'm also getting the problem wit
hthe browser constantly redirecting in a very short loop. IIRC, this is 'cos
it's trying to get a linked stylesheet where Netscape has a bug, so I
disabled sylesheets in my management options, but I still get exactly the
same problem :-(

Has anyone else experienced any of the above and does anyone have any
solutions?

cheers,

Chris



From markus.kemmerling@mediaweb.at  Thu May 31 09:15:05 2001
From: markus.kemmerling@mediaweb.at (Markus Kemmerling)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:15:05 +0200
Subject: [Zope] dtml-tree: controlling expanded nodes
Message-ID: <FPELIFINGMHLIFJLPAOAIEEFCLAA.markus.kemmerling@mediaweb.at>

Is there any >>simple<< way to tell a DTML method with a tree tag to =
expand a node when it is called for the first time? This obviously meens =
to pass a tree-e parameter, but how to find out the correct value?

I use the tree tag to show a list of folders and DTML documents in it =
and would like to pass the ids of folders to expand (one would be =
enough).

Any hint appreciated,

Markus Kemmerling



From erik@thingamy.net  Thu May 31 09:27:59 2001
From: erik@thingamy.net (Erik Enge)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:27:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Zope] CST?
In-Reply-To: <003701c0e9a7$6cf88350$1d010a0a@Lifebook>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105311026390.27973-100000@bcryachts.atsat.com>

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:

> > 2001-05-30T12:41:11 ERROR(200) ZODB Couldn't load state for
> '\000\000\000\000\000\000@\017'
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File /home/zope2/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py, line 508, in setstate
> > AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute 'load'
> 
> Are you using the CoreSessionTracking product?

Does anyone know what this AttributeError actually is?  I just got it
myself :-/  (I'm not using CST.)



From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Thu May 31 09:24:04 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:24:04 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] zope and mod_rewrite
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105301627110.7486-100000@web.mylinuxisp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105311223270.827-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Wed, 30 May 2001, jacob walcik wrote:
> RewriteRule ^/(.*)
> http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/utilities.iensemble.com:80/utilities/VirtualHostRoot/$1

   I am not sure whether you can rewrite URL to a different posrt. At
least, without proxy flag.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From arkbit@yahoo.com  Thu May 31 10:38:39 2001
From: arkbit@yahoo.com (Arkaitz)
Date: 31 May 2001 11:38:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ObjectManager problem
In-Reply-To: <3B150AD0.97C4FAB4@kaivo.com>
References: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D24@exchange>
 <3B150AD0.97C4FAB4@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <991301919.13403.0.camel@basajaun>

On 30 May 2001 08:59:28 -0600, Casey Duncan wrote:
> The problem is that you are subclassing SimpleItem.Item and
> ObjectManager which are incompatible base classes. SimpleItem.Item
> defines its own objectIds method which *always* returns and empty tuple
> (because it is not a container). You should be able to safely loose this
> base class and all will be right with the world.

Are you sure ObjectManager and Item are incompatible base classes? I've
been using them together to get title_or_id from Item for objectManagers
without any problem, and actually, the standard Zope Folder class uses
both as well. 
I think the problem might be in the order of the base classes in the
class declaration. I think that if you put ObjectManager before Item, it
should work fine. However, I'm not sure if this the reason behind the
problem Max was having.

Cheers,
Arkaitz.




From philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de  Thu May 31 10:44:07 2001
From: philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de (Philipp Robbel)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:44:07 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Possible: Saving and re-issuing the REQUEST?
Message-ID: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C6675@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.de>

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Hi all,

I have a question regarding Zope's REQUEST. I'm creating a main site
that includes a drop-down menu generated by SQL data.=20
On the same page - right above the drop-down menu - there's supposed to
be a "Create new drop-down entry"-link which opens a small window via
javascript.
In this window the user can enter a new entry and insert it into the SQL
Database. Additionally I would like a "REFRESH" button in this
javascript window which would refresh the main site with the
sql-generated drop-down menu to show the changes made in the
sql-drop-down.
This refreshing should be done with the original request which was used
to call the main site at the beginning.

Is this possible? Via javascript I can access the "main-site" via
"top.". But I don't know how to the following:

MAIN SITE is called with a REQUEST -> When "Create new drop-down entry"
is clicked, SAVE REQUEST of MAIN SITE, PASS it to the javascript window
-> If REFRESH-button is pushed in javascript window, PASS REQUEST back
to MAIN SITE and REFRESH the main site along with the original request.


I would be glad if a Zope guru could help me :-)

Thanks in advance,
Philipp

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<BR>
I have a question regarding Zope's REQUEST. I'm creating a main site =
that includes a drop-down menu generated by SQL data.<BR>
On the same page - right above the drop-down menu - there's supposed to =
be a &quot;Create new drop-down entry&quot;-link which opens a small =
window via javascript.<BR>
In this window the user can enter a new entry and insert it into the SQL =
Database. Additionally I would like a &quot;REFRESH&quot; button in this =
javascript window which would refresh the main site with the =
sql-generated drop-down menu to show the changes made in the =
sql-drop-down.<BR>
This refreshing should be done with the original request which was used =
to call the main site at the beginning.<BR>
<BR>
Is this possible? Via javascript I can access the &quot;main-site&quot; =
via &quot;top.&quot;. But I don't know how to the following:<BR>
<BR>
MAIN SITE is called with a REQUEST -&gt; When &quot;Create new drop-down =
entry&quot; is clicked, SAVE REQUEST of MAIN SITE, PASS it to the =
javascript window -&gt; If REFRESH-button is pushed in javascript =
window, PASS REQUEST back to MAIN SITE and REFRESH the main site along =
with the original request.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I would be glad if a Zope guru could help me :-)<BR>
<BR>
Thanks in advance,<BR>
Philipp</FONT>
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From olaf.zanger@soli-con.com  Thu May 31 10:57:39 2001
From: olaf.zanger@soli-con.com (Olaf Zanger)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:57:39 +0200
Subject: [Zope] zope higher abstraction installation
Message-ID: <3B161593.90A7C98E@soli-con.com>

hi there,

on the survey on digicool i added some ideas to make the first step into zope easier.
i'd like to hear your ideas about that and if any of that is already acomplished
somewhere.

* a roundtrip visual-RAD-database form/reports environment (visual to source and
back) (better than MS-Access and probably with import of forms/reports form
theKompany-REKALL and MS Access or other forms/reports designers :-) 

*  out of the box multi language and database support

* a closed zope installation option. means zope does not use local python or so. i
had heaps of trouble with different versions of python, python-database modules and
db-connector products (i rather have two pythons on disc than troubles with zope
after updating my suse distro) still not solved after 3 months :-(. actually this
stopped development of a product on zope.

* faster implementation of patches (there is one problem with dtml-in orphans trouble
that got a patch about 6 months ago and is still not solved in new zope versions)

* a setup process, where the newbee-user can select what products should be pre
installed. 
(e.g. according to usage questions like 
news-discussion -> squishdot, 
db-mysql -> MySQLdb+formulator
db-pgsql -> PgSQLdb+ZDatabaseTool+QueryWizard(hopefully to be released by
easyleading), 
Content-management -> CMF, XML, 
Templates -> ZPT, 
PIM -> iuveno-projector+others, 
eks -> KDESoHoServer-Components, 
multi-language-mysql -> MySQLdb+ZBabel,
documentation -> local-zope-book,
faq -> local-faq)

-- this would show the capabilities of zope right away to the newbee. i remember how
it took me weeks to figure out what zope can do.

-- this also would move some zope companies into focus to the newbee that might want
to spend money and outsource development.

-- zope would grow into a plug-and-play-intranet/internet problem solver application

hope for opinions

olaf



-- 
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Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Olaf Marc Zanger
Lorrainestrasse 23
3013 Bern / Switzerland
Fon: +41-31-332 9782
Mob: +41-76-572 9782
mailto:info@soli-con.com
mailto:olaf.zanger@soli-con.com
http://www.soli-con.com


From paz@oratrix.com  Thu May 31 10:51:29 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:51:29 +0200
Subject: [Zope] CSS and Zope was: Thanks for the fish
In-Reply-To: <3B15D86C.CE72E672@usc.edu>
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAOEPJCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>

Rich,

Thanks a million for the positive comments. The site uses CSS in fact. It
has problems on various browsers but I now have it working very stably and
I'm happy with that.

Perhaps I can capitalize on your comment and ask what people do for
interbrowser CSSing. At the moment I am building a pre-render logic method
that sets a browserlevel ID that changes the CSS depending on the browser
type, but the incompatibilites are vast and not easily segregated. How does
one make a few CSSs for all browsers? Or is the answer to NOT use CSS?

anyone?

Paz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Pinder [mailto:rpinder@usc.edu]
Sent: 31 May 2001 07:37
To: Paul Zwarts
Subject: Re: [Zope] Thanks for the fish


as a very newbie, i'm not one who could even attempt an insult!
but i can say i like your site - especially the presentation  (css  or
ptk??).
give us just starting some good examples of whats possible
rich

Paul Zwarts wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I know this is kinda OT and kinda cross-post, so sue me... hehe. You can't
> because I live in a land where sueing is as taboo as sex is in the US...
>
> Anyhow to the point. I have busted my balls for quite a long time now to
get
> my company's website up and running... All in Zope. I'm pretty proud of it
> and I'd like to say thanks to all of you who have helped this newbie out
> with Zope 'the world's greatest hack'... (sorry, couldn't help myself on
> that one..)
>
> http://shop.oratrix.nl
> is the url.
>
> Hope you like my effort. It's still buggy, and if people would like, send
> your insults to the list while I bow my head in shame.
>
> Cheers all,
> Paz
>
> _______________________________________________
> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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From paz@oratrix.com  Thu May 31 10:55:31 2001
From: paz@oratrix.com (Paul Zwarts)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:55:31 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Thanks for the fish
In-Reply-To: <01053014532000.15344@levinux-lab>
Message-ID: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAEEPKCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>

LOL Jérôme ,

Thats a great spin on it, I like it. I also take double note that you
represent the country that holds the rights to one of my favourite film
types: film noire.... : )

Paz

-----Original Message-----
From: Jérôme Loisel [mailto:jerome@levinux.org]
Sent: 30 May 2001 20:53
To: Paul Zwarts
Subject: Re: [Zope] Thanks for the fish


Paul Zwarts -- Mercredi 30 Mai 2001 12:13:
> Hi,
>
> I know this is kinda OT and kinda cross-post, so sue me... hehe. You can't
> because I live in a land where sueing is as taboo as sex is in the US...

I believe you are exaagerating. That would mean that every single film from
the netherlands is about people suing each other but that you never actually
see them doing it. :-)

Not cross-posting to zope@zope.org because this is as off-topic as it gets.
Congratulations on your site.

Cheers,

Jérôme Loisel

--
Jérôme Loisel, étudiant et webmestre
Lévinux: GNU/Linux pour la communauté
http://www.levinux.org/



From Geir Bækholt <geirh@funcom.com>  Thu May 31 10:53:57 2001
From: Geir Bækholt <geirh@funcom.com> (Geir Bækholt)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:53:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope] CSS and Zope was: Thanks for the fish
In-Reply-To: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAOEPJCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>
References: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAOEPJCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <105178825247.20010531115357@funcom.com>

AListApart has some good resources on working around browser
incompatibilities for CSS..

Not zope-related in a direct sense, but a good read if you use CSS for
layout and styling:

http://www.alistapart.com/stories/journey/

--
Geir Bækholt
Web-Developer/Zopatista
geirh@funcom.com
http://www.funcom.com

on or about, Thursday, May 31, 2001, we have reason to believe that Paul Zwarts wrote something along the lines of :
PZ> Rich,

PZ> Thanks a million for the positive comments. The site uses CSS in fact. It
PZ> has problems on various browsers but I now have it working very stably and
PZ> I'm happy with that.

PZ> Perhaps I can capitalize on your comment and ask what people do for
PZ> interbrowser CSSing. At the moment I am building a pre-render logic method
PZ> that sets a browserlevel ID that changes the CSS depending on the browser
PZ> type, but the incompatibilites are vast and not easily segregated. How does
PZ> one make a few CSSs for all browsers? Or is the answer to NOT use CSS?

PZ> anyone?

PZ> Paz

PZ> -----Original Message-----
PZ> From: Rich Pinder [mailto:rpinder@usc.edu]
PZ> Sent: 31 May 2001 07:37
PZ> To: Paul Zwarts
PZ> Subject: Re: [Zope] Thanks for the fish


PZ> as a very newbie, i'm not one who could even attempt an insult!
PZ> but i can say i like your site - especially the presentation  (css  or
PZ> ptk??).
PZ> give us just starting some good examples of whats possible
PZ> rich

PZ> Paul Zwarts wrote:

>> Hi,
>>
>> I know this is kinda OT and kinda cross-post, so sue me... hehe. You can't
>> because I live in a land where sueing is as taboo as sex is in the US...
>>
>> Anyhow to the point. I have busted my balls for quite a long time now to
PZ> get
>> my company's website up and running... All in Zope. I'm pretty proud of it
>> and I'd like to say thanks to all of you who have helped this newbie out
>> with Zope 'the world's greatest hack'... (sorry, couldn't help myself on
>> that one..)
>>
>> http://shop.oratrix.nl
>> is the url.
>>
>> Hope you like my effort. It's still buggy, and if people would like, send
>> your insults to the list while I bow my head in shame.
>>
>> Cheers all,
>> Paz
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
>> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
>> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
>> (Related lists -
>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )


PZ> _______________________________________________
PZ> Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
PZ> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
PZ> **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
PZ> (Related lists - 
PZ>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
PZ>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )




From kedai@kedai.com.my  Thu May 31 10:52:44 2001
From: kedai@kedai.com.my (bak (kedai))
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:52:44 +0800
Subject: [Zope] CST?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105311026390.27973-100000@bcryachts.atsat.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105311026390.27973-100000@bcryachts.atsat.com>
Message-ID: <01053117524404.01152@tokey>

On Thursday 31 May 2001 16:27, Erik Enge wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> > > 2001-05-30T12:41:11 ERROR(200) ZODB Couldn't load state for
> >
> > '\000\000\000\000\000\000@\017'
> >
> > > Traceback (innermost last):
> > >   File /home/zope2/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py, line 508, in setstate
> > > AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute 'load'
> >
> > Are you using the CoreSessionTracking product?
>
> Does anyone know what this AttributeError actually is?  I just got it
> myself:-/  (I'm not using CST.)
>
>

i do get this error message too.  and i dont use CST.  i do use RDB 
DA.usually when there's a few of this, zope stops responding, until i 
restarted zope itself.  

i have moved to a new Data.fs by exporting only necessary objects.  but do 
still got the problem.  
i am now testing with a different DA, to see whether this contributes to the 
error.

what aboutothers?
thanks


From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Thu May 31 11:01:27 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:01:27 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] CSS and Zope was: Thanks for the fish
In-Reply-To: <DNEBKCPFDMMHLDNDJMMAOEPJCFAA.paz@oratrix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105311400010.827-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Paul Zwarts wrote:
> Perhaps I can capitalize on your comment and ask what people do for
> interbrowser CSSing.

   One possible solution is ZStyleSheet Product. It can detect browser, and
you can instruct it to issue browser-dependent rules and attributes.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From alet@unice.fr  Thu May 31 11:31:36 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:31:36 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] zope higher abstraction installation
In-Reply-To: <3B161593.90A7C98E@soli-con.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010531120726.28290M-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Olaf Zanger wrote:

> * a setup process, where the newbee-user can select what products should be pre
> installed. 

This one is very good IMHO.

But there will be two main issues there:

	- eventually some licensing problems.
	- actually no Zope package type.

The fact that Zope hasn't got a preferred package type means that product
installation is hard to do automatically:

	- you have to determine the true file type (.py, .zexp, .tgz,
.tar.gz, .tar, etc...) 

	- you have to take appropriate action depending on the
previously detected type, which may be:

		tar + gzipped file:
			gunzip it.
			see if it installs in lib/python/Products or
                            in Products or anywhere else.
			install it according to this.
			restart Zope

	and of course the procedure is different for each product and this
must be done manually.

So I really think we should create together a dedicated Zope package type
ala .rpm ou .deb to distribute products and allow an automated
installation. 

BTW I don't know if Distutils may fit in its current version, but I
suppose it can do it just fine !

This package type would have to contain at least:

	The license: GPL, BSD, ZPL, Python, MPL, LGPL, etc...
	The author name and email
	The preferred URL
	The preferred installation directory:
		INSTANCE would mean $INSTANCE_HOME
		ZOPECORE would mean install from $ZOPEHOME
	Other informations as we may need (dependencies for example).
	Finally the "tarball":

	So with INSTANCE the tarball should contain:

		Products/MyProduct/...

		or:

		import/somefile

		...

	but if INSTANCE is used and $INSTANCE_HOME doesn't exist
then use ZOPECORE instead.

	and with ZOPECORE it may contain:

		lib/python/TAL/somefile

		or:

		Extensions/anotherfile

		...

So this will allow an easy detection of the destination directory, and
allow an easy online installation with an Installation menu in the
Control_Panel (and why not a ZShell "install" command ;-) 

Your thoughts ?

bye,

Jerome Alet



From maxm@normik.dk  Thu May 31 11:47:03 2001
From: maxm@normik.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Max_M=F8ller_Rasmussen?=)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:47:03 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ObjectManager problem
Message-ID: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D2A@exchange>

> From: Arkaitz [mailto:arkbit@yahoo.com]

> Are you sure ObjectManager and Item are incompatible base 
> classes? I've
> been using them together to get title_or_id from Item for 
> objectManagers
> without any problem, and actually, the standard Zope Folder class uses
> both as well. 
> I think the problem might be in the order of the base classes in the
> class declaration. I think that if you put ObjectManager 
> before Item, it
> should work fine. However, I'm not sure if this the reason behind the
> problem Max was having.

As it turns out the ordering of these classes seems to be the exact reason
for my problems.

I removed the simpleitem.item and the stuff mostly worked, but I could not
see my image in the view tab of my image tab, as it returned a wrong path to
the Image.

I then inserted the SimpleItem.Item as below, and everything is dandy.

My class declaration now looks like this::

    class ots_laering(ObjectManager, SimpleItem.Item, ots_laeringLogic):

and things behaves exactly as expected.

It's a lovely day

regards Max M


From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Thu May 31 13:19:32 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:19:32 +0200
Subject: [Zope] How to caller acquisition path to an object through python script ?
Message-ID: <007d01c0e9cb$f36eed60$0301a8c0@provence>

Hi,

I's not possible to expose my problem with a simple phrase. So I'll write
down an example:

I got a "main" DTML method that contains:

-- DTML method "main" --
...
<dtml-var "getobject(somearg)">
...
---------------------------

"getobject" is a python script that finds a Zope object (DTML method or
document) depending on "somearg".

-- Python script "getobject" --
# find object depending on "somearg"
...
return anobject(context)
-----------------------------

OKAY, it runs but I want the object uses the acquisition path of the Folder
that contains the "main" script.
I need that the returned object uses the acquisition path of the "main" DMLT
object.
When used like this, if the returned object uses a reference to something
that's in the "main" object's namespace, I got an error.

Any clue ?

TIA

--Gilles




From joe@iuveno-net.de  Thu May 31 13:25:47 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:25:47 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Client Side Form Field Validation - How to ?
References: <pdn9ht8vpj4agl854qt69lt3m9n8cpitjr@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c0e9cc$d2ae1c80$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> The first thing that comes to (my) mind is Java (o JavaScript ?).

JavaScript is your one and only option I guess. And even this only works if
you ask your users to switch it on. What's so bad about server-side
checking? In most cases it does all you need ...

Joachim



From tino@wildenhain.de  Thu May 31 13:19:52 2001
From: tino@wildenhain.de (Tino Wildenhain)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:19:52 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Possible: Saving and re-issuing the REQUEST?
In-Reply-To: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C6675@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.de>
References: <4202DDA3828BD24D9381128D46B13D2B0C6675@ktaemail01.villa-bosch.
 e>
Message-ID: <961109.991318791@BUZZER>

Hi,

why arent you just using only one page for input and
display if you want to display the changes right
away? This way you can even drop using JavaScript.

If you make the query to the display-page with
GET, you should be able to trigger reload on the window
with JavaScript. At least you would have all parameters
in the URL.

If thats not possible, you could put your values into
hidden form fields and reissue the form via form submit.

The simplest solution would be to make the target of the
input form to the display window and reload your input
window from there (or dont even reload it).

This is not a Zope thingy at all, this is a HTML, HTTP, Browser
design issue :)

Regards
Tino

--On Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2001 11:44 +0200 Philipp Robbel 
<philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de> wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a question regarding Zope's REQUEST. I'm creating a main site that
> includes a drop-down menu generated by SQL data. On the same page - right
> above the drop-down menu - there's supposed to be a "Create new drop-down
> entry"-link which opens a small window via javascript. In this window the
> user can enter a new entry and insert it into the SQL Database.
> Additionally I would like a "REFRESH" button in this javascript window
> which would refresh the main site with the sql-generated drop-down menu
> to show the changes made in the sql-drop-down. This refreshing should be
> done with the original request which was used to call the main site at
> the beginning.
>
> Is this possible? Via javascript I can access the "main-site" via "top.".
> But I don't know how to the following:
>
> MAIN SITE is called with a REQUEST -> When "Create new drop-down entry"
> is clicked, SAVE REQUEST of MAIN SITE, PASS it to the javascript window
> -> If REFRESH-button is pushed in javascript window, PASS REQUEST back to
> MAIN SITE and REFRESH the main site along with the original request.
>
>
> I would be glad if a Zope guru could help me :-)
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Philipp






From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 31 13:33:44 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:33:44 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Re: Mounted databases (was: CST?)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105311026390.27973-100000@bcryachts.atsat.com>
Message-ID: <3B163A28.38B433CC@digicool.com>

If you're using a mounted ZODB database, you'll see this error from time
to time.  Shane outlined a way to fix this, but I haven't been able to
follow up on it.

Erik Enge wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 30 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
> 
> > > 2001-05-30T12:41:11 ERROR(200) ZODB Couldn't load state for
> > '\000\000\000\000\000\000@\017'
> > > Traceback (innermost last):
> > >   File /home/zope2/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py, line 508, in setstate
> > > AttributeError: 'None' object has no attribute 'load'
> >
> > Are you using the CoreSessionTracking product?
> 
> Does anyone know what this AttributeError actually is?  I just got it
> myself :-/  (I'm not using CST.)
> 
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From schneida@seiu.org  Thu May 31 13:29:44 2001
From: schneida@seiu.org (Anders Schneiderman)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:29:44 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Customizing / borrowing code from /manage/ screens
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICIEACGIAA.lstafford@morphics.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20010530160713.009f81d0@larry.seiu.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20010531082341.009ffec0@larry.seiu.org>

At 02:04 PM 5/30/01 -0700, Loren Stafford wrote:

>The new way is to use the CMF (Content Management Framework
>http://cmf.zope.org) -- a Zope product that comes with a more user-oriented
>management inderface and the ability to delegate content management to
>selected users.

When I first started playing w/ Zope, I took a quick look at CMF, then 
freaked out.  Any suggestions on how to get my arms around it?  I saw a 
chapter online from a book, but it didn't really walk you through an 
example.   Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Incidentally, if there isn't a good tutorial, if we end up using Zope at my 
shop, I'd be willing to write a simple intro tutorial for CMF over the 
summer if I can figure out how to get the #$%^ thing working.

Thanks,
Anders Schneiderman
Information Manager
SEIU International



From chrism@digicool.com  Thu May 31 13:38:26 2001
From: chrism@digicool.com (Chris McDonough)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:38:26 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zope higher abstraction installation
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010531120726.28290M-100000@cortex.unice.fr>
Message-ID: <3B163B42.2BEF9674@digicool.com>

There is actually a proposal to canonize the disk-based Product
specification at
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/FinishedProductGuidelines . 
It would be useful to have some of these comments there.

Jerome Alet wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 31 May 2001, Olaf Zanger wrote:
> 
> > * a setup process, where the newbee-user can select what products should be pre
> > installed.
> 
> This one is very good IMHO.
> 
> But there will be two main issues there:
> 
>         - eventually some licensing problems.
>         - actually no Zope package type.


From tseaver@palladion.com  Thu May 31 13:23:21 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:23:21 -0400
Subject: [Zope] differentiate dtml method from document
Message-ID: <3B1637B9.2040809@palladion.com>

dave@kovach.com wrote:
 
> Is there a suffix I can add to DTML Methods that would then be

> recognized by the ZODB upon creating an object externally like from

> within Dreamweaver?
> 
> If I create an object externally and call it SOMEFILE.DTML

> - it is recognized as a DTML Document.
> Ok, good. But, now I want to create a file that will be recognized

> as a DTML METHOD.


Zope doesn't care primarily about the suffix;  its PUT handling (for
WebDAV/FTP/HTTP PUTs) looks at the Content-Type header (if there is
one;  no such luch with FTP), and only reverts to guessing type from
extension if it is not there.

You can override the default behavior using the 'PUT_factory' hook,
described at:
   http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/HookablePUTCreation

Essentially, you would drop in an ExternalMethod which did the name
recognition you desired, e.g.::

  #   Implement the "hookable PUT" hook.
  import re, OFS.DTMLMethod

  NAME_PATTERN = re.compile( '^.*\.dtml$' )

  def PUT_factory( self, name, typ, body ):
      """
      """
      if NAME_PATTERN.match( name ):
          return OFS.DTMLMethod.DTMLMethod( '', __name__=name )
      return None

Tres.
--
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From schneida@seiu.org  Thu May 31 13:54:12 2001
From: schneida@seiu.org (Anders Schneiderman)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:54:12 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Customizing / borrowing code from /manage/ screens
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICIEACGIAA.lstafford@morphics.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20010530160713.009f81d0@larry.seiu.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20010531084252.00a03c00@larry.seiu.org>

Let me be a bit clearer.  I installed CMF w/o any problems and was able to 
create an insta-portal.  But when I tried to start customizing the sucker, 
I got lost.

For ex, I used the "Folder contents" to add a few folders & documents.  But 
when I clicked on "view", they didn't show up.  So,

A)  How do I get them to show up?

B)  If I want to customize the way they're displayed--for example, allow 
for a "blurb" that explains what's in the folder--how do I go about doing that?

Again, if this is written down anywhere, just let me know where to look.

Thanks,
Anders Schneiderman
Information Manager
SEIU International



From tseaver@palladion.com  Thu May 31 13:40:14 2001
From: tseaver@palladion.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:40:14 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Netscape Problems
Message-ID: <3B163BAE.1030401@palladion.com>

 "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com> wrote:

> I'm getting a bit suspicious about the number of times Netscape and Zope
> aren't playing together for me :-S
> 
> Basically, on my desktop machine (WinNT 4, Netscape 4.74) I can't actually
> submit to any Zope sites. I click a form button but the browser just sits
> there with the N spinning and not doing anything.
> 
> I thought that was just my machine, but now on this laptop (Win2000,
> Netscape 4.74) the same thing is happening. I'm also getting the problem wit
> hthe browser constantly redirecting in a very short loop. IIRC, this is 'cos
> it's trying to get a linked stylesheet where Netscape has a bug, so I
> disabled sylesheets in my management options, but I still get exactly the
> same problem :-(
> 
> Has anyone else experienced any of the above and does anyone have any
> solutions?


In my experience, this a a pure client-side bogosity.  To verify:
try blowing away all the 'nsform*' and 'formpost*' files in your
"C:\windows\temp" directory;  if the problem clears up, make an
effigy of Mark Andreesen, abuse it creatively, and call me in the
morning. :)

Tres.
--
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Thu May 31 14:09:10 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:09:10 +0200
Subject: [Zope] How to give caller acquisition path to an object through python script ?
Message-ID: <013101c0e9d2$e76bcea0$0301a8c0@provence>

Hi,


Sorry for the previous post. It was obscure. So I'm rewording it.

I's not possible to expose my problem with a simple phrase. So I'll write
down an example:

I got a "main" DTML method that contains:

-- DTML method "main" --
...
<dtml-var "getobject(somearg)">
...
---------------------------

"getobject" is a python script that finds a Zope object (DTML method or
document) depending on "somearg".

-- Python script "getobject" --
# find someobject depending on "somearg"
...
return someobject(context)
-----------------------------

The problem is that "someobject" renders using the acquisition path of the
FOLDER that contains "main"
I want the "someobject" to use the acquisition path of the "main" DTML
object rather than the one of it's folder.

Any clue ?

TIA

--Gilles





From hripps@Brixnet.com  Thu May 31 14:21:04 2001
From: hripps@Brixnet.com (Ripps, Harrison)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:21:04 -0400
Subject: [Zope] How to give caller acquisition path to an object throu
 gh python script ?
Message-ID: <07B0D4912B83D31188F300A0C9F62EBB3B83CA@mail.brixnet.com>

> The problem is that "someobject" renders using the 
> acquisition path of the FOLDER that contains "main"
> I want the "someobject" to use the acquisition path of the "main" DTML
> object rather than the one of it's folder.

Hi Gilles,
Unfortunately, I can't offer any advice--I'm having the same problem. Tell
me if I'm generalizing the problem correctly with this question:

How do you reference an object -other- than the one that currently has
"context"?

In my case, I'm trying to build a navigation tree that -always- starts with
the root folder, even when I'm two or three levels deep... I tried
expressing the root folder as the oldest object in the PARENTS list, but my
script doesn't appear to perceive it as an object...

Cheers,
Harrison


From Isabelle.Neunreither@Dresdner-Bank.com  Thu May 31 14:22:57 2001
From: Isabelle.Neunreither@Dresdner-Bank.com (Neunreither, Isabelle)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:22:57 +0200
Subject: [Zope] too much different object types?
Message-ID: <F39260401A4FD311BB6700805FA7821B27E00B@ffz00zad.wwz1me.mail.dresdner.net>

Hi,

I have a problem to understand why there are so much different object types
in Zope and why you can't access more general categories of objects. I found
that it is not logic. If Zope is based on objects, he has to group some
objects in more general classes together, so you can access Folder,
Documents, Scripts and Images.
Folder and Image classes exist, but a class Document which is an super class
for the types Files, XML Document, DTML Document, etc. does not exist, as
well as a class Script which could be an super class for Python scripts,
DTML Methode, etc.
i understand that zope needs a precise type for each object, but why can i
not access a more general categorie of objects? 

cheers,
Isabelle Neunreither

konsylo
Messeler-Park-Strasse 74
64291 DARMSTADT
Fon: 0 6150 866 196
Fax: 0 6150 866 197
email: in@konsylo.com 


From rroeber1@unl.edu  Thu May 31 14:32:16 2001
From: rroeber1@unl.edu (rroeber1@unl.edu)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:32:16 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Netscape Problems
Message-ID: <OF80F5B2EF.B8E415A1-ON86256A5D.00492F58@unl.edu>

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>From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
>To: <zope@zope.org>
>Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:37:57 +0100
>Subject: [Zope] Netscape Problems

>I'm getting a bit suspicious about the number of times Netscape and Zope
>aren't playing together for me :-S
[snip]

>Has anyone else experienced any of the above and does anyone have any
>solutions?

We found some instances where Netscape loads pages very, very slowly and 
on Windoz can freeze the entire machine for several seconds or even 
minutes. I have seen this happen with the EventFolder product and most 
recently with a heavily modified Squishdot that we are using. We thought 
it was due to Style Sheets, however upon further investigation by our 
designer, it appears that the use of lots of tables--in particular nested 
tables--seemed to be the culprit. As we reduced the number of tables in 
the layout, Netscape loaded the site nearly as well as IE. BTW, Netscape 
4.7x behaves this way on the three platforms we tested (Mac, Linux, 
Windows)
Our Zope is version 2.3.2 and we are using FastCGI with Apache 1.3.17 to 
provide the service. We are frustrated too.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Ronald L. Roeber
CIT-IANR
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68583  Phone: (402) 472-5630
email: rroeber1@unl.edu 

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&gt;From: &quot;Chris Withers&quot; &lt;chrisw@nipltd.com&gt;<br>
&gt;To: &lt;zope@zope.org&gt;<br>
&gt;Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:37:57 +0100<br>
&gt;Subject: [Zope] Netscape Problems<br>
<br>
&gt;I'm getting a bit suspicious about the number of times Netscape and Zope<br>
&gt;aren't playing together for me :-S<br>
[snip]<br>
<br>
&gt;Has anyone else experienced any of the above and does anyone have any<br>
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<br><font size=2 face="Courier New">We found some instances where Netscape loads pages very, very slowly and on Windoz can freeze the entire machine for several seconds or even minutes. I have seen this happen with the EventFolder product and most recently with a heavily modified Squishdot that we are using. We thought it was due to Style Sheets, however upon further investigation by our designer, it appears that the use of lots of tables--in particular nested tables--seemed to be the culprit. As we reduced the number of tables in the layout, Netscape loaded the site nearly as well as IE. BTW, Netscape 4.7x behaves this way on the three platforms we tested (Mac, Linux, Windows)</font>
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Ronald L. Roeber<br>
CIT-IANR<br>
University of Nebraska<br>
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From abg@comco-inc.com  Thu May 31 14:43:01 2001
From: abg@comco-inc.com (abg@comco-inc.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:43:01 -0500
Subject: [Zope] Virtual Hosting on ZServer Updated
Message-ID: <E0B8F48066A8D311BDC9006097D6115113E7CD@SERVER1>

I'm pretty new to python, and am having a bit of difficulty with the 
AccessRule code Alan sugggested. I need to be able to map not only 
domains (bar.com), but virtual domains (foo.bar.com) to locations in 
Zope. This AccessRule works quite well for the former, but appears to 
ignore the prefix of the latter (foo).

Here's what I've tried so far:

I changed this bit of code:

hostname="_.string.split(_.string.lower(_.string.split(HTTP_HOST,
':')[0]),'.')[-2:]" 
          domainname="hostname[0] + '.' + hostname[1]" 
          vhmcode="VHosts.gethostfolder(_.None, _, host=domainname)"

To this:

hostname="_.string.split(_.string.lower(_.string.split(HTTP_HOST,
':')[0]),'.')[-3:]" 
          domainname="hostname[1] + '.' + hostname[2]"
	    domainname2="hostname[0] + '.' + hostname[1] + '.' +
hostname[2]"
          vhmcode="VHosts.gethostfolder(_.None, _, host=domainname)"

How do I tell AccessRule to use one method (gethostfolder) for those
requests that are in bar.com format, and another method for those requests
that are in foo.bar.com format?

Also, I'm really not sure if the changes I've made above are going to screw
anything up.

Any help will be greatly appreciated, and (hopefully) returned at a 
later time.

Thanks.

Aaron

> -----Original Message-----
> From:  "Capesius, Alan" <CapesiusA@S...>
> Date:  Thu Apr 5, 2001  6:22 pm
> Subject:  [Zope] Virtual Hosting on ZServer Updated
> 
>  
> Here's an update to my virtual hosting on ZServer solution. 
> The AccessRule
> has been enhanced to allow access to aliased host names that 
> are not in the
> host.domain.com form but rather in a host format. This is 
> useful if you use
> a hosts file with a name for a server (e.g. server01 instead of
> www.domain.com) The change prevents an index error in the accessrule.
> Request not in domain.com form will revert to the default site.
> 
> The solution uses TinyTable, Virtual Host Monster and AccessRule and a
> DTML method to process all inbound requests by domain name similar to
> the way in which SiteRoot script things. The best part is 
> that once set,
> the AccessRule does not need to be modified to add new hosts. Host to
> folder mapping is performed via entries in the TinyTable, the rest of
> the configuration is static.
> 
> Tested with Zope 2.3.0 and TinyTable 0-8-2.
> Virtual Host Monster and AccessRule support are built into 2.3.0
> 
> 
> Here it is:
> 
> Create a folder in Root called VHosts
> Inside VHosts create a folder for each Virtual host
> Inside each new Virtual host's folder , create a Virtual Host Monster
> called VHM
> 
> Inside VHosts, create a TinyTable called HostsTable
> Give the Tiny Table the following columns : domain, folder
> Create records for domain to folder mapping as shown here:
> "domain1.com", "Folder1"
> "domain2.com", "Folder2"
> Where the domain names are the virtual names for your server and the
> folder names are the folders created inside VHosts.
> Entries are CASE SENSITIVE and MUST match the folder names created in
> the earlier step. Enter all domains in lower case.
> 
> Inside VHosts create the following DTML Method:
> Name: gethostfolder
> <dtml-in "VHosts.HostsTable(domainname)">
>   <dtml-return folder>
> <dtml-else>
>   <dtml-return "'NULL'">
> </dtml-in>
> 
> In the Root, create a DTML called AccessRule
> AccessRule in Root Folder
> ===================
> <dtml-try>
> <dtml-let 
> hostname="_.string.split(_.string.lower(_.string.split(HTTP_HOST,
> ':')[0]),'.')[-2:]" 
>           domainname="hostname[0] + '.' + hostname[1]" 
>           vhmcode="VHosts.gethostfolder(_.None, _, host=domainname)">
> 
> <dtml-if "vhmcode<>'NULL'">
>   <dtml-if "_.string.split(_.string.lower(PATH_INFO), 
> '/')[-1:]==['manage']
> or 
>             _.string.split(_.string.lower(PATH_INFO),
> '/')[-1:]==['manage_main'] or 
>             _.string.split(_.string.lower(PATH_INFO),
> '/')[-1:]==['manage_workspace'] ">
>     <dtml-if "TraversalRequestNameStack[-2:]<>[vhmcode,'VHosts']">
>       <dtml-call 
> "REQUEST['TraversalRequestNameStack'].extend([vhmcode,
> 'VHosts'])">
>     </dtml-if>
>   <dtml-else>
>     <dtml-call 
> "REQUEST['TraversalRequestNameStack'].extend(['VHM', vhmcode,
> 'VHosts'])">
>   </dtml-if>
> </dtml-if>
> 
> </dtml-let>
> <dtml-except> 
> </dtml-try> 
> 
> 
> 
> It should look like this:
> Root-
>   AccessRule
>   VHosts-
>        HostsTable
>        gethostfolder
>        Folder1-
>              VHM
>              index_html
>        Folder2-
>              VHM
>              index_html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Security Settings:
> gethostfolder method:   no anonymous access, proxy as manager, manager
> has full rights.
> HostsTable: No anonymous access, manager full rights
> AccessRule: Proxy as manager
> 
> Now, to enable the system, Use the Root folder's Add->SetAccessRule
> option and enter "AccessRule" (without quotes) and click Set.
> Requests for domain1.com will be drawn from Folder1, 2 from 2 etc..
> Managent of the virtual domain will show only the VHosts 
> folder contents
> for the selected site.
> Management of the root site will show the root.
> Access to unsupported domains will fall back to root. (perhaps to be a
> redirect to a 404 page in the future)
> 
> Display the mappings with /VHosts/HostsTable or via the management
> interface.
> 
> Use http://hostname/_SUPPRESS_ACCESSRULE/manage to deactivate the
> AccessRule if you have any problems accessing the system.
> 
> All feedback welcome. To the list please.
> I will add the config to my tips site shortly.
> 
> Alan Capesius, MCSE
> Tech World, Inc.
> http://twsite.bizland.com/zopetips.htm
> 
>  
> 


From afterz@zipmail.com  Thu May 31 14:46:17 2001
From: afterz@zipmail.com (After Dark)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:46:17 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Find and Catalog
Message-ID: <web-4900961@zipmail.com>

Can I "Find and Catalog" in a specific folder from my
project??

Thanks.

--
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          Costa
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From tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com  Thu May 31 14:51:16 2001
From: tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:51:16 +0100
Subject: [Zope] too much different object types?
In-Reply-To: <F39260401A4FD311BB6700805FA7821B27E00B@ffz00zad.wwz1me.mail.dresdner.net>
References: <F39260401A4FD311BB6700805FA7821B27E00B@ffz00zad.wwz1me.mail.dresdner.net>
Message-ID: <pmichto1kpnptlk7r0ktpdr666cistpotv@4ax.com>

On Thu, 31 May 2001 15:22:57 +0200, "Neunreither, Isabelle"
<Isabelle.Neunreither@Dresdner-Bank.com> wrote:

>Folder and Image classes exist, but a class Document which is an super =
class
>for the types Files, XML Document, DTML Document, etc. does not exist, =
as
>well as a class Script which could be an super class for Python scripts,
>DTML Methode, etc.

Zope inherits python's policy of weakly typing. abstract interfaces
are not implememted using superclasses as they are in other (strongly
typed) languages. Rather, as long as an object behave like a script
(by providing attributes that are characteristic of scripts) then it
can be considered to implement the script interface.

Note that python may develop something more formal in this direction,
and I am sure Zope will be able to make good use of it.

>i understand that zope needs a precise type for each object, but why can=
 i
>not access a more general categorie of objects?=20

You need to decide which attributes are characteristic of scripts
(whatever that means to you) and test for their presence.


Toby Dickenson
tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com


From joe@iuveno-net.de  Thu May 31 15:07:53 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:07:53 +0200
Subject: [Zope] too much different object types?
References: <F39260401A4FD311BB6700805FA7821B27E00B@ffz00zad.wwz1me.mail.dresdner.net>
Message-ID: <002201c0e9db$15deb380$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

> I have a problem to understand why there are so much different object
types
> in Zope and why you can't access more general categories of objects. I
found
> that it is not logic. If Zope is based on objects, he has to group some
> objects in more general classes together, so you can access Folder,
> Documents, Scripts and Images.
> Folder and Image classes exist, but a class Document which is an super
class
> for the types Files, XML Document, DTML Document, etc. does not exist, as
> well as a class Script which could be an super class for Python scripts,
> DTML Methode, etc.
> i understand that zope needs a precise type for each object, but why can i
> not access a more general categorie of objects?

Hi Isabelle!

Zope is using "mix-in" classes, or in other words, Python multiple
inheritance, so most objects are built from a toolkit of basic objects. E.g.
this is from Image.py, which defines the image and file objects:

import Globals, string, struct, content_types
from OFS.content_types import guess_content_type
from Globals import DTMLFile, MessageDialog
from PropertyManager import PropertyManager
from AccessControl.Role import RoleManager
from webdav.common import rfc1123_date
from SimpleItem import Item_w__name__
from cStringIO import StringIO
from Globals import Persistent
from Acquisition import Implicit
from DateTime import DateTime
from Cache import Cacheable

With these building blocks, mainly SimpleItem and PropertyManager, a Zope
object can be built.

Image is then just a subclass of File that implements the differences, e.g.
a tab for displaying the image, the code for rendering it as an html "<img
src ...>" string etc.:

"class Image(File)"

So the concept of base classes is certainly there, but maybe a bit different
than you'd expect ... (the "Document" base class is more or less what
"SimpleItem" does, and the reason why DTMLDocument (which is just DTMLMethod
plus PropertyManager ("class DTMLDocument(PropertyManager, DTMLMethod)") is
not inherited from something like "Document", which might be a base class
for XMLDocument, is just that it doesn't seem to share enough code to make
this necessary.

If you dig into Zope's code, you'll see that some parts are not very nice
style. But they work, and that's the most important thing ;-)

Joachim









From p.dejong@melissendejong.nl  Thu May 31 15:16:04 2001
From: p.dejong@melissendejong.nl (p.dejong@melissendejong.nl)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:16:04 -0000
Subject: [Zope] Howto establish mysql connections in zope via python
Message-ID: <9f5jn4+u3pp@eGroups.com>

I want to establish a connection to a MySQL database
via a python method.

I get a authorisation error.
Zope asks for a new username/password combination.
All combinations that could apply are not correct.
Moreover,the database does not require a password for
this particular user.

If I establish the same connection in Python, I get a
connection.







From sbaline@excite.com  Thu May 31 15:27:03 2001
From: sbaline@excite.com (Sebal)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] zSQL syntax
Message-ID: <4254185.991319223076.JavaMail.imail@seamore.excite.com>

I have a problem with a query, and I hope it's not a zope bug

I have 2 tables 'tabdef_theme'[ntheme,valtheme] and 'tab_theme'[ntheme,ndoc]


this query#1 works:
SELECT t1.valtheme 
FROM tabdef_theme AS t1 , tab_theme AS t2
WHERE t2.ndoc =<dtml-var numero_doc>
AND t1.ntheme = t2.ntheme
GROUP BY t1.valtheme
ORDER BY t1.valtheme

and query#2 too:
SELECT t1.ntheme 
FROM tabdef_theme AS t1 , tab_theme AS t2
WHERE t2.ndoc =<dtml-var numero_doc>
AND t1.ntheme = t2.ntheme
GROUP BY t1.valtheme
ORDER BY t1.valtheme

BUT this one query#3
SELECT t1.ntheme , t1.valtheme     <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
FROM tabdef_theme AS t1 , tab_theme AS t2
WHERE t2.ndoc =<dtml-var numero_doc>
AND t1.ntheme = t2.ntheme
GROUP BY t1.valtheme
ORDER BY t1.valtheme

I get:

<!--
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 223, in publish_module
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 187, in publish
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line
221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
    (Object: quel_theme)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 171, in publish
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py,
line 160, in mapply
    (Object: manage_test)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 112, in call_object
    (Object: manage_test)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Shared/DC/ZRDB/DA.py,
line 396, in manage_test
    (Object: quel_theme)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Shared/DC/ZRDB/DA.py,
line 374, in manage_test
    (Object: quel_theme)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Shared/DC/ZRDB/DA.py,
line 489, in __call__
    (Object: quel_theme)
  File /usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZGadflyDA/db.py,
line 178, in query
  File
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZGadflyDA/gadfly/gadfly.py,
 line 355, in execute
  File
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZGadflyDA/gadfly/sqlsem.py,
 line 2819, in eval
  File
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZGadflyDA/gadfly/sqlsem.py,
 line 1286, in map
  File
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZGadflyDA/gadfly/sqlsem.py,
 line 1145, in value
  File
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZGadflyDA/gadfly/kjbuckets0.py,
 line 534, in __getitem__
KeyError: (see above)

-->

this seems to be the correct SQL syntax (from mySQL reference manual)
I tried 
SELECT  t2.ntheme , t1.valtheme
SELECT *
SELECT t1.*

=> nothing works ... THANX


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From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 31 09:33:19 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:33:19 +0100
Subject: [Zope] differentiate dtml method from document
References: <20010530180835.16323.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> <20010530210913.B562@nordine.ateur>
Message-ID: <031e01c0e9e1$fe0c5b70$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> > Any ideas?
>
> Yes: see my latest feature request on this list a week ago: it's not
> possible yet, but at least Evan at DC seems to think it's doable in a
future
> version.

Ooo... I missed that...

Wouldn't a PUT_Factory do the job though?

cheers,

Chris



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 31 09:34:28 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:34:28 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Insert file through ftp.
References: <web-4871775@zipmail.com>
Message-ID: <031f01c0e9e2$06a19f70$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> There are 2005 files to insert with the meta_type of PrX,
> wouldn`t be possible to do one each time. How can I do
> that??

Is this another one for the PUT_factory?

cheers,

Chris



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 31 09:36:27 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:36:27 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Import error
References: <3B155968.6AAA50CC@amon.hu> <01053022583402.23249@frodo>
Message-ID: <032001c0e9e2$08381df0$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> Did you type:
> modulename.zexp
> or just
> modulename
> ?
> I believe the latter is correct.

erk... I'm pretty sure only the former will work...

cheers,

Chris



From andy.gimblett@ftech.net  Thu May 31 16:06:18 2001
From: andy.gimblett@ftech.net (Andy Gimblett)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:06:18 +0100
Subject: [Zope] SQLConnectionIDs() equivalent for SQL Methods?
Message-ID: <44D30F95DFC86B4C8042C15A9BC30D878C7F68@jungle.tynant.ftech.net>

Hi there,

Short version: Is there something like SQLConnectionIDs() which
picks up SQL Methods instead of SQL Connections?

Long version:

lib/python/Products/ZSQLMethods/SQL.py contains a function called
SQLConnectionIDs(), which returns a list of SQL Connection objects
between "here" and the top of the tree (in in the current folder
or any of its parents).

This is very handy for things like (from exUserFolder):

<tr>
  <th>Database Connection:</th>
  <td>
    <select name="frontierauth_connection">
      <dtml-in "SQLConnectionIDs()">
        <option value="<dtml-var sequence-item>">
        <dtml-var sequence-key></option>
      </dtml-in>
    </select>
  </td>
</tr>

What I want to do now is something very similar, but I want it
to pick up SQL Methods, not SQL Connections.

Does anyone know of such a thing? I know I can emulate/modify
SQLConnectionIDs() using an external method if need be, I just
don't want to reinvent the wheel if what I want is already there.
:-)

(PS: Really enjoying exUserFolder!)

Cheers,

Andy

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Tel: 029 20 820 044 Fax: 029 20 820 035 http://www.frontier.net.uk
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From dave@kovach.com  Thu May 31 16:07:53 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 31 May 2001 08:07:53 -0700
Subject: [Zope] differentiate dtml method from document
Message-ID: <20010531150753.25226.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Though, if I have to ask - I probably shouldnt be asking... but what is PUT_factory?

BTW, I find Homesite and the Zope Extensions for it to be the best editing solution thus far - using its FTP engine. No errors - no issues - no nonsense like Dreamweaver. It was acting pretty eratic with different files. Homesite = better. Just FYI.

Still, need a way to differentiate between different objects. Would be nice.

What in the ZODB tracks the TYPE of an object that is created there? 

I tried copying to duplicate a METHOD object and when I would go back into the ZMI it would not know what the object was? I figured at least if I could copy a METHOD in Homesite - delete its content - add new content and rename it - that ZODB would still recognize it as its original object type. But it didnt.

Sincerely,

David



On Thu, 31 May 2001, "Chris Withers" wrote:

> 
> > > Any ideas?
> >
> > Yes: see my latest feature request on this list a week ago: it's not
> > possible yet, but at least Evan at DC seems to think it's doable in a
> future
> > version.
> 
> Ooo... I missed that...
> 
> Wouldn't a PUT_Factory do the job though?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
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From alet@unice.fr  Thu May 31 16:08:00 2001
From: alet@unice.fr (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:08:00 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Zope] differentiate dtml method from document
In-Reply-To: <031e01c0e9e1$fe0c5b70$1d010a0a@Lifebook>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010531170245.31529A-100000@cortex.unice.fr>

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Chris Withers wrote:

> > > Any ideas?
> >
> > Yes: see my latest feature request on this list a week ago: it's not
> > possible yet, but at least Evan at DC seems to think it's doable in a
> future
> > version.
> 
> Ooo... I missed that...
> 
> Wouldn't a PUT_Factory do the job though?

My solution's advantages is that it would be transparent and would require
no coding from the user, and a few lines from DC ;-)

At least it would work for DTML Methods/DTML Documents.

FYI my solution involves adding a comment which contains the object's meta
type at the top of the DTML Documents/DTML Methods just like for Python
Scripts, and only when exporting, and taking care of it when importing if
this specially formatted comment is there.

bye,

Jerome Alet



From jhf@say.no  Thu May 31 16:11:09 2001
From: jhf@say.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?J=F8rgen=20Hermanrud=20Fjeld?=)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:11:09 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Import error
In-Reply-To: <032001c0e9e2$08381df0$1d010a0a@Lifebook>
References: <3B155968.6AAA50CC@amon.hu> <01053022583402.23249@frodo> <032001c0e9e2$08381df0$1d010a0a@Lifebook>
Message-ID: <01053117110903.01598@frodo>

A revelation. ;-)
Thanks. I shall think frist, then try, and ultimately answer, the next ti=
me.
J=F8rgen.
torsdag 31. mai 2001 10:36, skrev Chris Withers:
> > Did you type:
> > modulename.zexp
> > or just
> > modulename
> > ?
> > I believe the latter is correct.
>
> erk... I'm pretty sure only the former will work...
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris


From mail@peterbe.com  Thu May 31 15:52:20 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:52:20 +0200
Subject: [Zope] ContentIndexIcons
Message-ID: <064601c0e9e4$441e8500$1c64a8c0@PBN>

Installed the ContentIndexIcons and it looks pretty promising, but does it
only work for File meta_types?
I uploaded an image with a pdf as the file and the content type or Image
became application/pdf as expected, yet it had the Image icon instead of the
ContentIndexIcons one.

Is this a bug or is it meant to be or is there something I have to do to
generate ContentIndexIcons icons on unlisted objects or something?

Peter



From jwalcik@notwithstanding.org  Thu May 31 16:14:33 2001
From: jwalcik@notwithstanding.org (jacob walcik)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:14:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] zope and mod_rewrite
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105311223270.827-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105310951550.28930-100000@web.mylinuxisp.com>

i was under the impression that you could, as long as a valid service
was answering on that port.  in the VirtualHostMonster i've created, it
says:
If your Zope is running on port 8080, and you want generated URLs not to
include this port number, you must use 
"/VirtualHostBase/http/www.foo.com:80". 

i have zope running on 8080, and i'd prefer to not have the port in the
url.  if i've interpretted this incorrectly, please let me know.

i'm rather perplexed by this because the <exact> virtual host definition
was working just fine on another machine.  if anyone else out there is
doing something like this (handling virtual hosting of zope sites by
combining apache/mod_rewrite and virtualhostmonsters), could you please
post some of your rewrite rules?  

--
jacob walcik
jwalcik@notwithstanding.org

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Oleg Broytmann wrote:

> On Wed, 30 May 2001, jacob walcik wrote:
> > RewriteRule ^/(.*)
> > http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/utilities.iensemble.com:80/utilities/VirtualHostRoot/$1
> 
>    I am not sure whether you can rewrite URL to a different posrt. At
> least, without proxy flag.
> 
> Oleg.
> ----
>      Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
>            Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
> 




From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Thu May 31 16:17:20 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:17:20 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] zope and mod_rewrite
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105310951550.28930-100000@web.mylinuxisp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105311915310.4162-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Thu, 31 May 2001, jacob walcik wrote:
> i was under the impression that you could, as long as a valid service
> was answering on that port.  in the VirtualHostMonster i've created, it
> says:
> If your Zope is running on port 8080, and you want generated URLs not to
> include this port number, you must use
> "/VirtualHostBase/http/www.foo.com:80".
>
> i have zope running on 8080, and i'd prefer to not have the port in the
> url.  if i've interpretted this incorrectly, please let me know.

   No, I meant different problem. You are rewriting from Aapche (running on
port 80) to localhost:8080. This AFAIK requires proxy ([P] flag to the
RewriteRule).

> > > RewriteRule ^/(.*)
> > > http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/utilities.iensemble.com:80/utilities/VirtualHostRoot/$1
> >
> >    I am not sure whether you can rewrite URL to a different port. At
> > least, without proxy flag.

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From tpassin@mitretek.org  Thu May 31 16:22:08 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:22:08 -0400
Subject: [Zope] Netscape Problems
References: <004001c0e9a7$89a0c940$1d010a0a@Lifebook>
Message-ID: <004e01c0e9e5$750c0b00$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Chris Withers]

> I'm getting a bit suspicious about the number of times Netscape and Zope
> aren't playing together for me :-S
>
> Basically, on my desktop machine (WinNT 4, Netscape 4.74) I can't actually
> submit to any Zope sites. I click a form button but the browser just sits
> there with the N spinning and not doing anything.
>
> I thought that was just my machine, but now on this laptop (Win2000,
> Netscape 4.74) the same thing is happening. I'm also getting the problem
wit
> hthe browser constantly redirecting in a very short loop. IIRC, this is
'cos
> it's trying to get a linked stylesheet where Netscape has a bug, so I
> disabled sylesheets in my management options, but I still get exactly the
> same problem :-(
>
> Has anyone else experienced any of the above and does anyone have any
> solutions?
>

Yes, I had similar problems.  It happened when I reloaded a frame or
secondary window (i.e., one opened by javascript from within a first browser
window).  I found that focusing the stuck window - that is, clicking on its
frame - would immediately fix the problem for that particular case.  As I
remember it was reloaded by being the target of a POST - which may tie in
with your experience.

I forget how I finally solved this problem, but it was probably by sending a
window.focus() command to the offending window after having it load its new
url.  Worth trying, anyway.  It does seem to me that it somehow relates to
Zope, though, since similar code using other systems works ok (I think, my
memory is a bit hazy on it).

The problem wasn't limited to Win2000, though - I saw it on Win95, too.
This was NS 4.73.

Keep us informed how you work around this problem, would you?

Tom P




From ngps@post1.com  Wed May 30 17:26:57 2001
From: ngps@post1.com (Ng Pheng Siong)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:26:57 +0800
Subject: [Zope] Zope and SSL
In-Reply-To: <vgd78t30k8.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>; from burt@dfki.de on Mon, May 28, 2001 at 06:23:03PM +0200
References: <001201c0e5fd$aaf76340$6901a8c0@EM2> <001c01c0e607$5d8f3600$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de> <20010527125220.B457@madcap.dyndns.org> <vglmnh3l50.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de> <20010528224717.H683@madcap.dyndns.org> <vgd78t30k8.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
Message-ID: <20010531002657.C1243@madcap.dyndns.org>

On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 06:23:03PM +0200, Alastair Burt wrote:
> > The fix was on my website but disappeared after my recent website
> > reorg. 
> 
> But the later versions have the fix incorporated?

Sorry to be so unclear in my communication, but, yes, the fix
is incorporated in current versions. (Modulo packaging error on
my part, which has happened once or twice already. ;-)

-- 
Ng Pheng Siong <ngps@post1.com> * http://www.post1.com/home/ngps

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.


From jwalcik@notwithstanding.org  Thu May 31 16:30:37 2001
From: jwalcik@notwithstanding.org (jacob walcik)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:30:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Zope] zope and mod_rewrite
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105311915310.4162-100000@phd.fep.ru>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10105311020580.28930-100000@web.mylinuxisp.com>

it's still doing the same thing w/ the [P] on the end of the rewrite rule.
when i access the virtualhost, i'm prompted to login, then it forwards me
to the management screen for "/utilities".  i'm almost positive there's
something very simple that i've screwed up, i'm just not sure what it is.



--
jacob walcik
jwalcik@notwithstanding.org

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Oleg Broytmann wrote:

> On Thu, 31 May 2001, jacob walcik wrote:
> > i was under the impression that you could, as long as a valid service
> > was answering on that port.  in the VirtualHostMonster i've created, it
> > says:
> > If your Zope is running on port 8080, and you want generated URLs not to
> > include this port number, you must use > >
"/VirtualHostBase/http/www.foo.com:80".
> >
> > i have zope running on 8080, and i'd prefer to not have the port in the
> > url.  if i've interpretted this incorrectly, please let me know.
> 
>    No, I meant different problem. You are rewriting from Aapche (running on
> port 80) to localhost:8080. This AFAIK requires proxy ([P] flag to the
> RewriteRule).
> 
> > > > RewriteRule ^/(.*)
> > > > http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/utilities.iensemble.com:80/utilities/VirtualHostRoot/$1
> > >
> > >    I am not sure whether you can rewrite URL to a different port. At
> > > least, without proxy flag.
> 
> Oleg.
> ----
>      Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
>            Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
> 




From lstafford@morphics.com  Thu May 31 16:34:30 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:34:30 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Customizing / borrowing code from /manage/ screens
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20010531084252.00a03c00@larry.seiu.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICGEBDGIAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

I too am just getting started with CMF. I've added a CMF Portal to an
existing Intranet site and am in the process of figuring out how to use it
and migrating existing content to it.

I'm sure each person has different concepts regarding what CMF is and how it
should be used. Here are couple of mine:

CMF requires a change in the way you think about content organization.

1. Content has an owner and is located in the owner's "My Stuff" folder. You
can create subfolders and that may help the owner organize "His Stuff", but
a hierarchy of folders is not the way to present content to other users.

2. "Every request is a search query."  I can't imagine using CMF without
"Topics". Topics are canned queries. Many users will use the general search
function, but Topics can be used to created more conventional
categorizations -- the kinds of categories we used to implement with
folders. But with Topics, things are much more flexible. Now objects can
appear in multiple categories. To make this work you have to take control of
the objects' metadata -- specifically the "Subject" tokens. As I convert my
Intranet site to CMF, I'm using Topics to replace the original folders --
giving a compatible feel to the site, but increasing the ease of finding
stuff.

-- Loren


> From: Anders Schneiderman [mailto:schneida@seiu.org]
>
> Let me be a bit clearer.  I installed CMF w/o any problems and
> was able to
> create an insta-portal.  But when I tried to start customizing
> the sucker,
> I got lost.
>
> For ex, I used the "Folder contents" to add a few folders &
> documents.  But
> when I clicked on "view", they didn't show up.  So,
>
> A)  How do I get them to show up?
>
> B)  If I want to customize the way they're displayed--for example, allow
> for a "blurb" that explains what's in the folder--how do I go
> about doing that?
>



From tpassin@mitretek.org  Thu May 31 16:32:43 2001
From: tpassin@mitretek.org (Thomas B. Passin)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:32:43 -0400
Subject: [Zope] zSQL syntax
References: <4254185.991319223076.JavaMail.imail@seamore.excite.com>
Message-ID: <006901c0e9e6$efc7c310$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>

[Sebal]
>
> BUT this one query#3
> SELECT t1.ntheme , t1.valtheme     <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> FROM tabdef_theme AS t1 , tab_theme AS t2
> WHERE t2.ndoc =<dtml-var numero_doc>
> AND t1.ntheme = t2.ntheme
> GROUP BY t1.valtheme
> ORDER BY t1.valtheme
>
> I get:
>...

>
/usr/local/Zope-2.3.1-linux2-x86/lib/python/Products/ZGadflyDA/gadfly/kjbuck
ets0.py,
>  line 534, in __getitem__
> KeyError: (see above)


I think it's an incorrect error message.  I believe that the GROUP BY clause
has to include all columns  named in the SELECT clause.  I doubt that the
GROUP BY does anything for you anyway - it's only useful when you compute
aggregate functions like AVG, SUM, etc.  Get rid of it and rely on ORDER BY
to organize your results.

Cheers,

Tom P



From rhess@bic.ch  Thu May 31 16:32:38 2001
From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:32:38 +0200
Subject: [Zope] MailForm
References: <7BD10B680501D411B9DF009027E06F32197D29@exchange>
Message-ID: <3B166416.2D37CCD2@bic.ch>

Max M=F8ller Rasmussen wrote:
> =

> > From: Jason C. Leach [mailto:jleach@mail.ocis.net]
> =

> > That's it.  After that is a HR and some troubleshooting
> > suggestions. no
> > more error output.
> =

> You probably have a fault header. Remember that whitespaces DO matter w=
hen
> using a MailHost. So no empty lines where there shouldn't be etc. And
> remember to use all the nessecary fields.
> =

> regards Max M
> =

>

Hi

I might add, that in addition to the importance of empty-lines or not,
and necessary fields (i.g. the *from:*) I also experienced problems when
I did some intendation in the dtml-method between the *sendmail* tags
for a nicer view of the source code. As soon, as I removed the
intendations (all just left left) it worked for me.

--- Flynt


From lstafford@morphics.com  Thu May 31 16:41:37 2001
From: lstafford@morphics.com (Loren Stafford)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:41:37 -0700
Subject: [Zope] Looking for a timer
In-Reply-To: <001801c0e9a4$ea0c5900$43a4023e@karin>
Message-ID: <NEBBIJEMFKCAODOPMMICKEBDGIAA.lstafford@morphics.com>

That's still not very specific, but it sounds like you want to do this on
the client side, in which case Zope (being on the server side) won't be of
much help. Perhaps you should be looking into Javascript, Javascript events,
and the Document Object Model.

-- Loren

> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of
> Robert Rottermann
>
> Sory for not beeing clearer
>
> I want to controll in what sequence a series of frames are displayed.
> To do this I want to wait for a flag giving permission to go ahead.
>



From mail@peterbe.com  Thu May 31 16:58:19 2001
From: mail@peterbe.com (Peter Bengtsson)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:58:19 +0200
Subject: [Zope] FS Photo product
Message-ID: <066e01c0e9ec$b0fb0b50$1c64a8c0@PBN>

No this is not an announcment. Rather the opposite.
I believe I've heard about a version of the Photo product that saves the
images on the filesystem. Am I right, is there such a product? Where?

My current problem is that my Photos in zope take are so big that I have
problems copying folders and can with a little pain back it all up.
I bet there are advantages with storing the big binary content on the Linux
instead of the ZODB.

Hej hej,
Peter



From jleach@mail.ocis.net  Thu May 31 17:18:19 2001
From: jleach@mail.ocis.net (Jason C. Leach)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:18:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] MailForm
In-Reply-To: <3B166416.2D37CCD2@bic.ch>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105310917560.19321-100000@praha>

hi,

It was the white space on the left of the fields that was the problem.

thanks,
j.

=2E.....................
=2E.... Jason C. Leach
=2E.. University College of the Cariboo.
=2E.=20

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Flynt wrote:

> Max M=F8ller Rasmussen wrote:
> >=20
> > > From: Jason C. Leach [mailto:jleach@mail.ocis.net]
> >=20
> > > That's it.  After that is a HR and some troubleshooting
> > > suggestions. no
> > > more error output.
> >=20
> > You probably have a fault header. Remember that whitespaces DO matter w=
hen
> > using a MailHost. So no empty lines where there shouldn't be etc. And
> > remember to use all the nessecary fields.
> >=20
> > regards Max M
> >=20
> >
>=20
> Hi
>=20
> I might add, that in addition to the importance of empty-lines or not,
> and necessary fields (i.g. the *from:*) I also experienced problems when
> I did some intendation in the dtml-method between the *sendmail* tags
> for a nicer view of the source code. As soon, as I removed the
> intendations (all just left left) it worked for me.
>=20
> --- Flynt
>=20
>=20



From cpr@emsoftware.com  Thu May 31 17:29:34 2001
From: cpr@emsoftware.com (Chris Ryland)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:29:34 -0400
Subject: [Zope] another STX annoyance
Message-ID: <017601c0e9ee$f2e07b20$6901a8c0@EM2>

You can end a link with a period (which gets left out of the URL), but not
with a comma (for obvious reasons, I guess). This is quite frustrating when
you have a series of links

 "foo":foo, "bar":bar, "bletch":bletch.

The first two commas get included as part of the URL. Using a space before
the comma works, but then there's an ugly space in the result.

Any suggestions? Any chance of not including commas, or of some further
quoting such as

  "foo":"foo", "bar":"bar", etc.?

I know I'm tilting at the wind here...
--
Cheers!
Chris Ryland
Em Software, Inc.
www.emsoftware.com




From ivo@amaze.nl  Thu May 31 17:40:14 2001
From: ivo@amaze.nl (Ivo van der Wijk)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:40:14 +0200
Subject: [Zope] dtml-in batching improved
Message-ID: <20010531184014.E18187@amaze.nl>

Hi all,

I'm reposting this here as I think this is of interest to non-developers
as well, and I don't get much response on zope-dev anyway :)

When using batching in dtml-in, why is 'previous-sequence' only defined at
the first iteration of the current batch? And why is 'next-sequence' only 
defined at the last iteration of the current batch?

This behaviour makes it difficult to display a batch like this:

-- begin sample --
Item N
Item N+1
Item N+2

(link to previous items)  (link to next items)
-- end sample --

Because the code would be something like:

-- begin sample --
<dtml-in something start=query_start size=3>

  [do something with sequence-item]

  <dtml-if sequence-end> <!-- check if last item of batch -->
    <dtml-if previous-sequence>
      (link to previous items)
    </dtml-if>
    <dtml-if next-sequence>
      (link to next items)
    </dtml-if>
  </dtml-if>
</dtml-in>
-- end sample --

However, if your batchsize is larger than 1, 'previous-sequence' will always
be untrue at the last item (when sequence-item is true).

The only solution would be implement a second dtml-in after the first one
purely for displaying the previous link.

Also, dtml-in would re-execute your "expr" (which it does not very efficiently),
so if you want to avoid doing the "expr" twice, you'd have to store it 
temporarily using dtml-let (or my dtml-set tag ;).

The end result would be:

-- start sample --

<dtml-let foo="expr">
 <dtml-in foo start=start_query size=3>
   [do something with sequence-item]
 </dtml-in>
 <dtml-in foo start=start_query size=3>
  <!-- code below is safe, as the variables are only true at the resp. top and 
       end, though the truly paranoid could check for sequence-start / -end  

       patch #1 below would break such code!
  -->
  <dtml-if sequence-end>                
    <dtml-if previous-sequence>
      (link to previous items)
    </dtml-if>
    <dtml-if next-sequence>
      (link to next items)
    </dtml-if>
  </dtml-if>
 </dtml-in>
</dtml-let>

-- end sample --

And at this point I really would start to implement the batching myself in
python :)
 
Of course, basically the same applies if you want both the previous/next link
at the top of the batch display.

(Imagine you want both! :)

Either I'm missing something really obvious here, or the patches below make
sense. There are two versions:

- patch #1: This version fixes the issue above by enabling the values of 
previous/next-sequence throughout the entire batch (and other
related variables as well: X-sequence, X-sequence-start-index, 
X-sequence-end-index, X-sequence-size) (which may break existing sites), and

- patch #2: This version introduces new variablenames, leaving the behaviour of
previous/next-sequence.

A third alternative would be to only define the variables at the top and
bottom of the batch.

Both versions fix (I think) a grammatical error.

It's up to the DC guys if they feel like incorporating either of these patches
in a next release :)

patch #1: define variables everywhere in the batch

This patch makes sure that the following variables are available through
each iteration of dtml-in, for each item.

!!!!! This patch may break alot of dtml code !!!!!!

next-sequence
next-sequence-start-index
next-sequence-end-index
next-sequence-size
previous-sequence
previous-sequence-start-index
previous-sequence-end-index
previous-sequence-size

-- patch begins here --

*** Zope-2.3.2-orig/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py        Fri Apr 13 21:30:38 2001
--- Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py Tue May 29 19:52:36 2001***************
*** 583,611 ****
                  for index in range(first,end):
                      # preset
                      kw['previous-sequence']= 0
!                     kw['next-sequence']= 0 # now more often defined then previously
                      #
!                     if index==first or index==last:
!                         # provide batching information
!                         if first > 0:
!                             pstart,pend,psize=opt(0,first+overlap,
!                                                   sz,orphan,sequence)
!                             if index==first: kw['previous-sequence']=1
!                             kw['previous-sequence-start-index']=pstart-1
!                             kw['previous-sequence-end-index']=pend-1
!                             kw['previous-sequence-size']=pend+1-pstart
!                         try:
!                             # The following line is a sneaky way to
!                             # test whether there are more items,
!                             # without actually computing a length:
!                             sequence[end]
!                             pstart,pend,psize=opt(end+1-overlap,0,
!                                                   sz,orphan,sequence)
!                             if index==last: kw['next-sequence']=1
!                             kw['next-sequence-start-index']=pstart-1
!                             kw['next-sequence-end-index']=pend-1
!                             kw['next-sequence-size']=pend+1-pstart
!                         except: pass
          
                      if index==last: kw['sequence-end']=1
  
--- 583,610 ----
                  for index in range(first,end):
                      # preset
                      kw['previous-sequence']= 0
!                     kw['next-sequence']= 0 # now more often defined than previously
                      #
!                     # provide batching information
!                     if first > 0:
!                         pstart,pend,psize=opt(0,first+overlap,
!                                               sz,orphan,sequence)
!                         kw['previous-sequence']=1
!                         kw['previous-sequence-start-index']=pstart-1
!                         kw['previous-sequence-end-index']=pend-1
!                         kw['previous-sequence-size']=pend+1-pstart
!                     try:
!                         # The following line is a sneaky way to
!                         # test whether there are more items,
!                         # without actually computing a length:
!                         sequence[end]
!                         pstart,pend,psize=opt(end+1-overlap,0,
!                                               sz,orphan,sequence)
!                         kw['next-sequence']=1
!                         kw['next-sequence-start-index']=pstart-1
!                         kw['next-sequence-end-index']=pend-1
!                         kw['next-sequence-size']=pend+1-pstart
!                     except: pass
          
                      if index==last: kw['sequence-end']=1
  
-- end --

patch #2: introduce new variables

This patch introduces the variables

batch-next-sequence
batch-next-sequence-start-index
batch-next-sequence-end-index
batch-next-sequence-size
batch-previous-sequence
batch-previous-sequence-start-index
batch-previous-sequence-end-index
batch-previous-sequence-size

Which behave exactly the same as the variables withouth 'batch-' in front,
but these are available with each iteration/item of dtml-in, not just the
first/last. This patch should not break any existing dtml code.

-- patch begins here --

*** Zope-2.3.2-orig/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py	Fri Apr 13 21:30:38 2001
--- Zope-2.3.2-src/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py	Tue May 29 20:23:24 2001
***************
*** 583,589 ****
                  for index in range(first,end):
                      # preset
                      kw['previous-sequence']= 0
!                     kw['next-sequence']= 0 # now more often defined then previously
                      #
                      if index==first or index==last:
                          # provide batching information
--- 583,609 ----
                  for index in range(first,end):
                      # preset
                      kw['previous-sequence']= 0
!                     kw['next-sequence']= 0 # now more often defined than previously
!                     # provide batching information
!                     if first > 0:
!                         pstart,pend,psize=opt(0,first+overlap,
!                                               sz,orphan,sequence)
!                         kw['batch-previous-sequence']=1
!                         kw['batch-previous-sequence-start-index']=pstart-1
!                         kw['batch-previous-sequence-end-index']=pend-1
!                         kw['batch-previous-sequence-size']=pend+1-pstart
!                     try:
!                         # The following line is a sneaky way to
!                         # test whether there are more items,
!                         # without actually computing a length:
!                         sequence[end]
!                         pstart,pend,psize=opt(end+1-overlap,0,
!                                               sz,orphan,sequence)
!                         kw['batch-next-sequence']=1
!                         kw['batch-next-sequence-start-index']=pstart-1
!                         kw['batch-next-sequence-end-index']=pend-1
!                         kw['batch-next-sequence-size']=pend+1-pstart
!                     except: pass
                      #
                      if index==first or index==last:
                          # provide batching information
--

To apply either of them, cd to your SOFTWARE_HOME (i.e. Zope-2.3.2-src)
and patch -p1 < /location/of/patch

NOTE! It only makes sense to apply one of these patches, not both!

Cheers,

	Ivo

-- 
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Brouwersgracht 132                      Amaze Internet Services V.O.F.
1013 HA Amsterdam                                   -=-
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From marc@bowery.com  Thu May 31 17:41:17 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:41:17 -0400
Subject: [Zope] FS Photo product
In-Reply-To: <066e01c0e9ec$b0fb0b50$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <B73BEC6C.2E50F%marc@bowery.com>


> From: "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com>
>
> I bet there are advantages with storing the big binary content on the Linux
> instead of the ZODB.

Only if you need to access the files external of Zope... there's no
established performance or space saving (as long as you keep tabs on your
undo's)



From Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com  Thu May 31 17:41:53 2001
From: Andreas Jung" <andreas@andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:41:53 -0400
Subject: [Zope] another STX annoyance
References: <017601c0e9ee$f2e07b20$6901a8c0@EM2>
Message-ID: <03b801c0e9f0$9a5d4300$0901000a@SUXLAP>

I made some major improvements concerning the unified handling of
punctuation characters to STXNG. The changes will appear in the 2.4 alpha.
This *might* solve your problems. Fell free to test it and give me some
feedback.

Andreas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Ryland" <cpr@emsoftware.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:29 PM
Subject: [Zope] another STX annoyance


> You can end a link with a period (which gets left out of the URL), but not
> with a comma (for obvious reasons, I guess). This is quite frustrating
when
> you have a series of links
>
>  "foo":foo, "bar":bar, "bletch":bletch.
>
> The first two commas get included as part of the URL. Using a space before
> the comma works, but then there's an ugly space in the result.
>
> Any suggestions? Any chance of not including commas, or of some further
> quoting such as
>
>   "foo":"foo", "bar":"bar", etc.?
>
> I know I'm tilting at the wind here...
> --
> Cheers!
> Chris Ryland
> Em Software, Inc.
> www.emsoftware.com
>
>
>
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From Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru>  Thu May 31 17:48:52 2001
From: Oleg Broytmann <phd@phd.fep.ru> (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:48:52 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: [Zope] dtml-in batching improved
In-Reply-To: <20010531184014.E18187@amaze.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105312047320.4162-100000@phd.fep.ru>

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Ivo van der Wijk wrote:
> When using batching in dtml-in, why is 'previous-sequence' only defined at
> the first iteration of the current batch? And why is 'next-sequence' only
> defined at the last iteration of the current batch?

   There is a code in DT_In.py to fix it... but when I tested it didn't
work. I reported to the author, but the author replied "works for me".

Oleg.
----
     Oleg Broytmann     http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/     phd@phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.



From tseaver@digicool.com  Thu May 31 17:57:29 2001
From: tseaver@digicool.com (Tres Seaver)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:57:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] Customizing / borrowing code from /manage/ screens
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105311251130.1164-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Andres Schneiderman <schneida@seiu.org> wrote:

> Let me be a bit clearer.  I installed CMF w/o any problems and
> was able to create an insta-portal.  But when I tried to start
> customizing the sucker, I got lost.
>
> For ex, I used the "Folder contents" to add a few folders &
> documents.  But when I clicked on "view", they didn't show up.
> So,
> 
> A)  How do I get them to show up?

Customize the 'index_html' of your site to show them, using
straght-up DTML (or ZPT) coding.

> B)  If I want to customize the way they're displayed--for
> example, allow for a "blurb" that explains what's in the
> folder--how do I go about doing that?

In the ZMI, go to 'portal_skins/generic/index_html', select
the 'custom' folder, and click the "Customize" button;  the
CMF will make a copy of the filesystem-based 'index_html' as
a standard DTMLMethod in the 'custom' folder (under
'portal_skins');  it then redirects you to the 'manage_workspace'
of that DTMLMethod, so you can edit it.

> Again, if this is written down anywhere, just let me know where
> to look.

The CMF Dogbowl has a number of documents and how-tos on
"skinning" the CMF:

  http://cmf.zope.org/search?SearchableText=skin

Also, the CMF mailing list, zope-cmf@zope.org, is a more
fruitful place for such questions than the main Zope list.

Hope that helps,

Tres.
-- 
===============================================================
Tres Seaver                                tseaver@digicool.com
Digital Creations     "Zope Dealers"       http://www.zope.org



From kthangavelu@earthlink.net  Thu May 31 11:06:01 2001
From: kthangavelu@earthlink.net (ender)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 03:06:01 -0700
Subject: [Zope] zope higher abstraction installation
In-Reply-To: <3B161593.90A7C98E@soli-con.com>
References: <3B161593.90A7C98E@soli-con.com>
Message-ID: <01053103060102.25339@linux>

On Thursday 31 May 2001 02:57, Olaf Zanger wrote:
>>hi there,

hi olaf, i just finished reading your proposal for eks. very interesting, 
i've been thinking about things along these lines. it basically about pushing 
the envelope of 'web services' and zope. very cool, and powerful. bringing 
distributed objects to the desktop.

you should really check out the python-dcop bindings and the kxmlrpcd, i've 
used them to script my desktop (kde2.1.1). there are no plans for kde2 python 
bindings that i know of (although phil thompson (pyqt/kde) says it just a 
matter of cookie cutting (paraphrase)). 

also you might want to outline the capabilities of particular applications 
that your interested in integrating in your paper.

my biggest problem when considering this concept is that many of these 
applications are configured per user, which doesn't lend itself to a 
multiuser integrated system.

still, tis a very interesting idea.

cheers

kapil



From craig.dunigan@esker.com  Thu May 31 18:08:36 2001
From: craig.dunigan@esker.com (Dunigan, Craig)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:08:36 -0500
Subject: [Zope] dtml-tree: controlling expanded nodes
Message-ID: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDFBD@EXCH-MDSN-USA>

Markus,

I've been spending a lot of time looking into exactly this.  The short
answer seems to be no.  The long answer is:  lots of folks have tried, all
have given up (that I can tell so far).  It seems it would require modifying
the source for the tree tag, or figuring out (without documentation, just by
reading the source) how to manipulate some of the tree variables, like
tree-e.  From the mail list archives I've read, it looks like we can't even
be sure of how the tree will respond to these variables, since it's written
to *set* them, not receive them already set.  I haven't given up yet, so if
I come up with anything better I'll let you (and the list) know.

Craig Dunigan
Web Programmer
Esker Software - Extending the Reach of Information
mailto:craig.dunigan@esker.com
Ph. 608.273.6000
Fax 608.273.8227
http://www.esker.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Markus Kemmerling [mailto:markus.kemmerling@mediaweb.at]
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:15 AM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] dtml-tree: controlling expanded nodes
> 
> 
> Is there any >>simple<< way to tell a DTML method with a tree 
> tag to expand a node when it is called for the first time? 
> This obviously meens to pass a tree-e parameter, but how to 
> find out the correct value?
> 
> I use the tree tag to show a list of folders and DTML 
> documents in it and would like to pass the ids of folders to 
> expand (one would be enough).
> 
> Any hint appreciated,
> 
> Markus Kemmerling
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ebalasba@bway.net  Thu May 31 18:58:52 2001
From: ebalasba@bway.net (Eric Balasbas)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:58:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Zope] How to give caller acquisition path to an object through
 python script ?
In-Reply-To: <013101c0e9d2$e76bcea0$0301a8c0@provence>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.30.0105311356300.1930-100000@ida.bway.net>

The short answer is that you want to use the <dtml-with expr="expression">
tag. The long explanation can be found in the two urls below.

http://www.zope.org/Documentation/How-To/AdvancedDTML
http://www.zope.org/Members/Hoekstra/ChangingZopeContexts


Eric Balasbas
Senior Developer
eric@virtosi.com

http://www.virtosi.com/
Virtosi Ltd.
Design -- Branding -- Zope


On Thu, 31 May 2001, Gilles Lenfant wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> Sorry for the previous post. It was obscure. So I'm rewording it.
>
> I's not possible to expose my problem with a simple phrase. So I'll write
> down an example:
>
> I got a "main" DTML method that contains:
>
> -- DTML method "main" --
> ...
> <dtml-var "getobject(somearg)">
> ...
> ---------------------------
>
> "getobject" is a python script that finds a Zope object (DTML method or
> document) depending on "somearg".
>
> -- Python script "getobject" --
> # find someobject depending on "somearg"
> ...
> return someobject(context)
> -----------------------------
>
> The problem is that "someobject" renders using the acquisition path of the
> FOLDER that contains "main"
> I want the "someobject" to use the acquisition path of the "main" DTML
> object rather than the one of it's folder.
>
> Any clue ?
>
> TIA
>
> --Gilles
>
>
>
>
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From dondi@purdue.edu  Thu May 31 19:00:10 2001
From: dondi@purdue.edu (Dondi Bogusky)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:00:10 -0500
Subject: [Zope] hookable PUT
In-Reply-To: <3B1637B9.2040809@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <B73BF0DA.21034%dondi@purdue.edu>

Please help. I've looked at
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/HookablePUTCreation and I think
this will solve many migration problems, for moving existing Apache wrapped
sever parsed pages into Zope. How do I use the hookable_PUT to add
ZopePageTemplates or HTMLDocuments?

-Dondi



From marc@bowery.com  Thu May 31 19:03:40 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:03:40 -0400
Subject: [Zope] what's up with sendmail tag in standard_error_message?
In-Reply-To: <B73AFA28.456B%jens@dataflake.org>
Message-ID: <B73BFFBB.2E52E%marc@bowery.com>

Strange, that seems to work!  Dunno what I did before, but now it's fixed.
Thanks Jens!

P.S. this is finally my code:

<dtml-sendmail mailhost="ErrorMailHost">
To: zope@bowery.com
From: Zope System Error Message <zope@<dtml-if
name="SERVER_NAME">&dtml-SERVER_NAME;</dtml-if>>
Subject:  [Zope Error]<dtml-if name="error_type"><dtml-var
name="error_type"><dtml-else>Unknown type</dtml-if>


Reported an error <dtml-if name="error_type">of type <dtml-var
name="error_type"> </dtml-if>for the following URL:

<dtml-var name="URL0">

<dtml-if name="REMOTE_HOST">
Requested by Host: <dtml-var name="REMOTE_HOST">
</dtml-if>

<dtml-if name="REMOTE_ADDR">
Requested by Address: <dtml-var name="REMOTE_ADDR">
</dtml-if>

<dtml-if name="HTTP_REFERER">
Linked from: <dtml-var name="HTTP_REFERER">
</dtml-if>

<dtml-if name="HTTP_USER_AGENT">
User Agent: <dtml-var name="HTTP_USER_AGENT">
</dtml-if>

 Request: 
 <dtml-in "REQUEST.items()" sort>
  <dtml-var sequence-key>: <dtml-var sequence-item>
 </dtml-in>
 
<dtml-if name="error_tb">
<dtml-var name="error_tb">
</dtml-if>
 
</dtml-sendmail>
 

> From: Jens Vagelpohl <jens@dataflake.org>
> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:27:36 -0400
> To: marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com>, <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: Re: [Zope] what's up with sendmail tag in standard_error_message?
> 
> this setup works for me in my standard_error_message (on 2.3.2):
> 
> *************************************
> <dtml-sendmail smtphost="mail.dataflake.org">
> To: site_errors@dataflake.org
> From: Site Errors <webmaster@type4.org>
> Subject: [type4.org Error] <dtml-if name="error_type"><dtml-var
> name="error_type"><dtml-else>Oops</dtml-if>
> 
> Reported an error <dtml-if name="error_type">of type <dtml-var
> name="error_type"> </dtml-if>for the following URL:
> 
> <dtml-var name="URL0">
> 
> <dtml-if name="REMOTE_HOST">
> Requested by Host: <dtml-var name="REMOTE_HOST">
> </dtml-if>
> 
> <dtml-if name="REMOTE_ADDR">
> Requested by Address: <dtml-var name="REMOTE_ADDR">
> </dtml-if>
> 
> <dtml-if name="HTTP_REFERER">
> Linked from: <dtml-var name="HTTP_REFERER">
> </dtml-if>
> 
> <dtml-if name="error_tb">
> <dtml-var name="error_tb">
> </dtml-if>
> 
> </dtml-sendmail>
> *****************************************
> 
> jens
> 
> 
> "marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com> had the following to say:
> 
>> Am I missing something?
>> I'm running 2.3.2, and simplifying standar_error_message down to this
>> doesn't even work.  I don't have ZDebug installed (anymore -- same thing
>> with or without ver 0.2.1):
>> 
>> 
>> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
>> 
>> <dtml-sendmail mailhost="ErrorMailHost" mailto="zope@bowery.com"
>> mailfrom="Zope System Error Message" subject="Zope Error Report">
>> 
>> 
>> There was an error.
>> 
>> </dtml-sendmail>
>> 
>> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
>> 
>> 
>> I have a mailhost in the root dir called ErrorMailHost, and tried setting
>> it's security totally lax (anonymous can do anything), doesn't help...
>> 
>> if I don't have a sendmail tag in standard_error_message it works as
>> expected.  Can't believe it's not working... I'm sure plenty of people have
>> this setup!
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
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From dan@caliginous.com  Thu May 31 19:34:06 2001
From: dan@caliginous.com (Dan Jacobs)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:34:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Zope] FS Photo product
In-Reply-To: <B73BEC6C.2E50F%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105311933380.13435-100000@mail.caliginous.com>

But it takes longer to restart zope when you have a large ZODB.

dj


On Thu, 31 May 2001, marc lindahl wrote:

> 
> 
> > From: "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com>
> >
> > I bet there are advantages with storing the big binary content on the Linux
> > instead of the ZODB.
> 
> Only if you need to access the files external of Zope... there's no
> established performance or space saving (as long as you keep tabs on your
> undo's)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From dkranowitz@elinear.com  Thu May 31 19:45:20 2001
From: dkranowitz@elinear.com (David Kranowitz)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:45:20 -0500
Subject: [Zope] zope developer
Message-ID: <A26C477E03475F45899E312C24ED029A0A9919@EVS2.opus-i.corp>

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From marc@bowery.com  Thu May 31 19:46:21 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:46:21 -0400
Subject: [Zope] FS Photo product
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105311933380.13435-100000@mail.caliginous.com>
Message-ID: <B73C09BC.2E540%marc@bowery.com>


> From: Dan Jacobs <dan@caliginous.com>
> 
> But it takes longer to restart zope when you have a large ZODB.

Check back in the list, there was a discussion about that.  Somone from DC
stated that it's not true if zope is shut down properly.



From philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de  Thu May 31 19:45:02 2001
From: philipp.robbel@eml.villa-bosch.de (Philipp Robbel)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:45:02 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: Possible: Saving and re-issuing the REQUEST?
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From cduncan@kaivo.com  Thu May 31 20:18:14 2001
From: cduncan@kaivo.com (Casey Duncan)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:18:14 -0600
Subject: [Zope] How to give caller acquisition path to an object through
 python script ?
References: <013101c0e9d2$e76bcea0$0301a8c0@provence>
Message-ID: <3B1698F6.2B887D14@kaivo.com>

Gilles Lenfant wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry for the previous post. It was obscure. So I'm rewording it.
> 
> I's not possible to expose my problem with a simple phrase. So I'll write
> down an example:
> 
> I got a "main" DTML method that contains:
> 
> -- DTML method "main" --
> ...
> <dtml-var "getobject(somearg)">
> ...
> ---------------------------
> 
> "getobject" is a python script that finds a Zope object (DTML method or
> document) depending on "somearg".
> 
> -- Python script "getobject" --
> # find someobject depending on "somearg"
> ...
> return someobject(context)
> -----------------------------
> 
> The problem is that "someobject" renders using the acquisition path of the
> FOLDER that contains "main"
> I want the "someobject" to use the acquisition path of the "main" DTML
> object rather than the one of it's folder.
> 

DTML methods do this, DTML documents do not. Think "Containment before
context" as a mantra. The only way to make a DTML Document act like it
is contained in a different container would be to use an external method
like so that rewrapped the document:

def rewrap(DTMLdoc, folder):
	"""Returns a document in the context of another folder"""
	return DTMLdoc.aq_base.__of__(folder)

I am not sure I would recommend this approach, however, as it goes
against the original DTML document design. What exactly are you trying
to do? I suspect an aspect of your design could be changed to alleviate
this.

> Any clue ?
> 
> TIA
> 
> --Gilles
> 

-- 
| Casey Duncan
| Kaivo, Inc.
| cduncan@kaivo.com
`------------------>


From jfarr@real.com  Thu May 31 20:41:19 2001
From: jfarr@real.com (Jonothan Farr)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:41:19 -0700
Subject: [Zope] FS Photo product
References: <B73C09BC.2E540%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <02b101c0ea09$aa35c630$eb0217ac@jfarr>

Last time I checked, Zope creates an in-memory index of the entire ZODB on
startup, so yes it does take longer to start up with a larger DB.

As for the original question, there are two common solutions to your problem:
the LocalFS product and the ExtFile/ExtImage product. Search for those on the
site, I'm sure one of them will fit your needs.

--jfarr


----- Original Message -----
From: "marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com>
To: "Dan Jacobs" <dan@caliginous.com>
Cc: "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] FS Photo product


>
>
> > From: Dan Jacobs <dan@caliginous.com>
> >
> > But it takes longer to restart zope when you have a large ZODB.
>
> Check back in the list, there was a discussion about that.  Somone from DC
> stated that it's not true if zope is shut down properly.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
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From marc@bowery.com  Thu May 31 20:48:47 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:48:47 -0400
Subject: [Zope] FS Photo product
In-Reply-To: <02b101c0ea09$aa35c630$eb0217ac@jfarr>
Message-ID: <B73C185F.2E559%marc@bowery.com>


> From: "Jonothan Farr" <jfarr@real.com>
> 
> Last time I checked, Zope creates an in-memory index of the entire ZODB on
> startup, so yes it does take longer to start up with a larger DB.

by "larger" meaning, more objects or larger objects?




From andym@ActiveState.com  Thu May 31 20:56:51 2001
From: andym@ActiveState.com (Andy McKay)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:56:51 -0700
Subject: [Zope] FS Photo product
References: <B73C09BC.2E540%marc@bowery.com> <02b101c0ea09$aa35c630$eb0217ac@jfarr>
Message-ID: <001301c0ea0b$d600f260$ae03a8c0@activestate.com>

It also saves that index as Data.fs.index so in theory its just a matter of
opening that file if Zope is shut down correctly.

Cheers.
--
  Andy McKay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonothan Farr" <jfarr@real.com>
To: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] FS Photo product


> Last time I checked, Zope creates an in-memory index of the entire ZODB on
> startup, so yes it does take longer to start up with a larger DB.
>
> As for the original question, there are two common solutions to your
problem:
> the LocalFS product and the ExtFile/ExtImage product. Search for those on
the
> site, I'm sure one of them will fit your needs.
>
> --jfarr
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "marc lindahl" <marc@bowery.com>
> To: "Dan Jacobs" <dan@caliginous.com>
> Cc: "Peter Bengtsson" <mail@peterbe.com>; <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zope] FS Photo product
>
>
> >
> >
> > > From: Dan Jacobs <dan@caliginous.com>
> > >
> > > But it takes longer to restart zope when you have a large ZODB.
> >
> > Check back in the list, there was a discussion about that.  Somone from
DC
> > stated that it's not true if zope is shut down properly.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Zope maillist  -  Zope@zope.org
> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope
> > **   No cross posts or HTML encoding!  **
> > (Related lists -
> >  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
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> >
> >
>
>
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>



From glenfant@bigfoot.com  Thu May 31 21:23:56 2001
From: glenfant@bigfoot.com (Gilles Lenfant)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:23:56 +0200
Subject: [Zope] How to give caller acquisition path to an object through python script ?
References: <013101c0e9d2$e76bcea0$0301a8c0@provence> <3B1698F6.2B887D14@kaivo.com>
Message-ID: <008601c0ea0f$a316e6d0$0301a8c0@provence>

I'm in process to make a multilingual site using Zope.
My design is based on setting a cookie "favoritelanguage" to "en"/"fr"/"es"
(...) depending on the user preference chosen in the home page.
The python script "intlobject(anobject)" is used in a main DTML
document/method as <dtml-var "intlobject('subobject')">.
This renders the object of en/subobject, fr/subobject (depending on the
"favoritelanguage" cookie) in the main document.
But the so included object uses the acquisition path of the FOLDER that
contains the "main" object rather than the acquisition path of the "main"
object itself.
I need it to act just as an "#include " in C.

Thanks !

--Gilles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey Duncan" <cduncan@kaivo.com>
To: "Gilles Lenfant" <glenfant@bigfoot.com>
Cc: <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] How to give caller acquisition path to an object through
python script ?


> Gilles Lenfant wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sorry for the previous post. It was obscure. So I'm rewording it.
> >
> > I's not possible to expose my problem with a simple phrase. So I'll
write
> > down an example:
> >
> > I got a "main" DTML method that contains:
> >
> > -- DTML method "main" --
> > ...
> > <dtml-var "getobject(somearg)">
> > ...
> > ---------------------------
> >
> > "getobject" is a python script that finds a Zope object (DTML method or
> > document) depending on "somearg".
> >
> > -- Python script "getobject" --
> > # find someobject depending on "somearg"
> > ...
> > return someobject(context)
> > -----------------------------
> >
> > The problem is that "someobject" renders using the acquisition path of
the
> > FOLDER that contains "main"
> > I want the "someobject" to use the acquisition path of the "main" DTML
> > object rather than the one of it's folder.
> >
>
> DTML methods do this, DTML documents do not. Think "Containment before
> context" as a mantra. The only way to make a DTML Document act like it
> is contained in a different container would be to use an external method
> like so that rewrapped the document:
>
> def rewrap(DTMLdoc, folder):
> """Returns a document in the context of another folder"""
> return DTMLdoc.aq_base.__of__(folder)
>
> I am not sure I would recommend this approach, however, as it goes
> against the original DTML document design. What exactly are you trying
> to do? I suspect an aspect of your design could be changed to alleviate
> this.
>
> > Any clue ?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > --Gilles
> >
>
> --
> | Casey Duncan
> | Kaivo, Inc.
> | cduncan@kaivo.com
> `------------------>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> (Related lists -
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce
>  http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
>



From rbickers-dated-991773254.7cded5@logicetc.com  Thu May 31 21:34:13 2001
From: rbickers-dated-991773254.7cded5@logicetc.com (Ron Bickers)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:34:13 -0400
Subject: [Zope] FS Photo product
In-Reply-To: <066e01c0e9ec$b0fb0b50$1c64a8c0@PBN>
Message-ID: <NBBBLMKDDAEIBGKHFKKCOEHFCPAA.rbickers@logicetc.com>

I started modifying the Photo product to use ExtFile/Image since my memory
was getting eaten by it.  I ran into a few problems, though I mostly had it
working.  It turned out, however, that my memory was being eaten because the
different photo sizes are stored as *strings*, not as Zope Image objects.
Each string was being loaded in full into memory before being served.  That
eats memory fast.

I ended up modifying it to store the different displays as Zope Image
objects and my memory problem vanished (since Zope loads Images in pieces).
I also managed to fix another bug with regard to the dimensions getting
"randomly" messed up.

I haven't had time to make any official releases or patches available, but
I'll be glad to send them to you if you want to use it even without external
file storage.  Perhaps I'll continue changing Photo to work with
ExtFile/Image someday, but don't hold your breath.

_______________________

Ron Bickers
Logic Etc, Inc.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Peter
> Bengtsson
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:58 AM
> To: zope@zope.org
> Subject: [Zope] FS Photo product
>
>
> No this is not an announcment. Rather the opposite.
> I believe I've heard about a version of the Photo product that saves the
> images on the filesystem. Am I right, is there such a product? Where?
>
> My current problem is that my Photos in zope take are so big that I have
> problems copying folders and can with a little pain back it all up.
> I bet there are advantages with storing the big binary content on
> the Linux
> instead of the ZODB.



From brian@digicool.com  Thu May 31 21:55:05 2001
From: brian@digicool.com (Brian Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Zope] ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 released
Message-ID: <NEBBKMOOINLOHMJBOMPIMEJDCBAA.brian@digicool.com>

Hello all,

  Zope 2.4.0 alpha 1 has been released - you can download it from
  Zope.org:

    http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/


  Highlights of what is new in Zope 2.4:

    - Zope 2.4 supports (and requires) Python 2.1

    - New restricted execution architecture

    - WebDAV Level 2 locking support

    - New "WebDAV Access" permission

    - A new built-in 'Authenticated' role

    - Product refresh without restart during development

    - New "Drop-in indexes" support for ZCatalog


  Be sure to see the Zope 2.4 Migration Guide:

   http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0/Zope24MigrationGuide.html

  which outlines the new features and provides other important 
  information for users of Zope 2.4.

  For more information on what is new in this release, see the 
  CHANGES.txt and HISTORY.txt files for the release:

    http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/CHANGES.txt

    http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.4.0a1/HISTORY.txt

  For more information on the available Zope releases, guidance for 
  selecting the right distribution and installation instructions, 
  please see: 

  http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Misc/InstallingZope.html

  Note that this is an alpha release, so it is available as a source 
  distribution only. We will make binary releases available with the 
  first beta release.


Brian Lloyd        brian@digicool.com
Software Engineer  540.371.6909              
Digital Creations  http://www.digicool.com 





From craig.dunigan@esker.com  Thu May 31 22:31:05 2001
From: craig.dunigan@esker.com (Dunigan, Craig)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:31:05 -0500
Subject: [Zope] MailForm
Message-ID: <D30C2A497F07D5118D7300508BB1C6740DDFC1@EXCH-MDSN-USA>

Jason,

The full traceback is in an HTML comment.  You need to view the source to
see it.

Craig Dunigan
Web Programmer
Esker Software - Extending the Reach of Information
mailto:craig.dunigan@esker.com
Ph. 608.273.6000
Fax 608.273.8227
http://www.esker.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason C. Leach [mailto:jleach@mail.ocis.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:10 AM
> To: Steve Spicklemire
> Cc: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] MailForm
> 
> 
> hi,
> 
> That's it.  After that is a HR and some troubleshooting 
> suggestions. no
> more error output.
> 
> j.
> 
> ......................
> ..... Jason C. Leach
> ... University College of the Cariboo.
> .. 
> 
> On Wed, 30 May 2001, Steve Spicklemire wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jason,
> > 
> > 	You need to post the whole traceback. It's hard to tell 
> based on 
> > just the error type and value.
> > 
> > -steve
> > 
> > On Wednesday, May 30, 2001, at 06:19 PM, Jason C. Leach wrote:
> > 
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > I'm doing a simple mail form according to a HOWTO on the 
> zope site. 
> > > When I
> > > submit the mail form I get:
> > >
> > >            Zope Error
> > >
> > >            Zope has encountered an error while publishing 
> this resource.
> > >
> > >            Error Type: TypeError
> > >            Error Value: len() of unsized object
> > >
> > > And am not sure why.  It's pretty simple DTML and I 
> understand it all. 
> > > I'm
> > > using:
> > > Zope Version     Zope 2.3.2 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2)
> > > Python Version   1.5.2 (#0, Dec 27 2000, 13:59:38) [GCC 
> 2.95.2 20000220
> > >                  (Debian GNU/Linux)]
> > > System Platform  linux2
> > > Process Id       20502 (2051)
> > > Running For      19 days 2 hours 28 min 15 sec
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > j.
> > >
> > > ......................
> > > ..... Jason C. Leach
> > > ... University College of the Cariboo.
> > > ..
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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From renfro@tntech.edu  Thu May 31 22:35:06 2001
From: renfro@tntech.edu (Mike Renfro)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:35:06 -0500
Subject: [Zope] How-To: Virtual Hosts via Apache (but nearly all content in Zope)
Message-ID: <20010531163506.B13238@ch208d.cae.tntech.edu>

http://zope.org/Members/mwr/VHosts_With_Zope_Default

Please comment, or point out any difficulties you have in reproducing
my settings.

-- 
Mike Renfro  / R&D Engineer, Center for Manufacturing Research,
931 372-3601 / Tennessee Technological University -- renfro@tntech.edu


From rmcl@usa.net  Thu May 31 22:47:21 2001
From: rmcl@usa.net (Randy McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:47:21 -0500
Subject: [Zope] VersionLockError: version object no longer exists
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010531163301.01d146d0@pop.netaddress.com>

While working through the tutorial and introductory exercises, I appear to 
have pointed myself into a corner.  I worked some versioning examples and 
thought I had closed the version.  I resumed my study and eventually 
returned to Zope to try adding a new object in the root folder.  This 
resulted in a VersionLockError message and stack dump.  I think I've 
figured out that this is a rather dramatic way of saying "this folder is 
locked by another version".  I'm not sure how the root folder ended up 
locked, but it does show that icon.

I then tried to undo my way out of the problem.  This undid the creation of 
the version object, but not the objects locked by it.  Now I can't get into 
the version, because the version does not exist.  I tried creating a new 
version object by the same name and was able to do so but it did not end up 
being associated with the locked folder.

It would be easy to simply uninstall Zope and reinstall it.  I have nothing 
invested in the current configuration.  But I am uneasy about the 
possibility of this happening later when I do have a site built and in 
production.  I also suspect I will not be the last one bit by this problem.



From joe@iuveno-net.de  Thu May 31 23:16:59 2001
From: joe@iuveno-net.de (Joachim Werner)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 00:16:59 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Netscape Problems
References: <004001c0e9a7$89a0c940$1d010a0a@Lifebook> <004e01c0e9e5$750c0b00$38a3f1ce@mitretek.org>
Message-ID: <007201c0ea1f$6ef7e740$1d00a8c0@iuvenonet.de>

Hi!

I am quite sure that all these problems are client-side or non-Zope-specific
HTML issues, just because I can't imagine how Zope should "know" about the
Netscape browser. If there was a really bad protocol flaw, it should have
been detected months ago.

The problems you describe seem to be very different from each other:

I know about the tables issue. This is a well-known Netscape problem. It
just has a very bad table geometry engine. As soon as it gets too many
nested tables, it freezes almost.

The stylesheet problems are also well-known. If Netscape can't find the
specified stylesheet, it loops.

I never saw the other cases on Netscape for Linux. They might therefore be a
platform-specific problem I don't know of.

Let's face it: Netscape 4.x is a lousy browser compared with almost anything
else on the market. It is the only browser in our test suite that can not
display style sheets with Javasrcipt disabled. And even if it displays
styles, it is not standards-compliant with that ...

Joachim



From kthangavelu@earthlink.net  Thu May 31 16:27:05 2001
From: kthangavelu@earthlink.net (ender)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:27:05 -0700
Subject: [Zope] FS Photo product
In-Reply-To: <B73C185F.2E559%marc@bowery.com>
References: <B73C185F.2E559%marc@bowery.com>
Message-ID: <01053108270504.25339@linux>

On Thursday 31 May 2001 12:48, marc lindahl wrote:
>>> From: "Jonothan Farr" <jfarr@real.com>
>>>
>>> Last time I checked, Zope creates an in-memory index of the entire ZODB
>>> on startup, so yes it does take longer to start up with a larger DB.
>>
>>by "larger" meaning, more objects or larger objects?
>>

more objects

this is true of fs storage, other storages might not need this... 

~kapil


From marc@bowery.com  Thu May 31 23:36:33 2001
From: marc@bowery.com (marc lindahl)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:36:33 -0400
Subject: [Zope] FS Photo product
In-Reply-To: <01053108270504.25339@linux>
Message-ID: <B73C3FB0.2E594%marc@bowery.com>

OK, so if it's 'more objects', then it's irrelevant if you're storing the
big data inside data.fs, since you're storing an object for each ext file
anyway (at least in ExtFile, I'm not sure about LocalFS, since it seems you
can use directory views in it?)

> From: ender <kthangavelu@earthlink.net>
> Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:27:05 -0700
> To: marc lindahl <marc@bowery.com>, <zope@zope.org>
> Subject: Re: [Zope] FS Photo product
> 
> On Thursday 31 May 2001 12:48, marc lindahl wrote:
>>>> From: "Jonothan Farr" <jfarr@real.com>
>>>> 
>>>> Last time I checked, Zope creates an in-memory index of the entire ZODB
>>>> on startup, so yes it does take longer to start up with a larger DB.
>>> 
>>> by "larger" meaning, more objects or larger objects?
>>> 
> 
> more objects
> 
> this is true of fs storage, other storages might not need this...
> 
> ~kapil
> 



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Thu May 31 17:10:23 2001
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:10:23 +0100
Subject: [Zope] Netscape Problems
References: <3B163BAE.1030401@palladion.com>
Message-ID: <064101c0ea23$aab64200$1d010a0a@Lifebook>

> In my experience, this a a pure client-side bogosity.  To verify:
> try blowing away all the 'nsform*' and 'formpost*' files in your
> "C:\windows\temp" directory;  if the problem clears up, make an
> effigy of Mark Andreesen, abuse it creatively, and call me in the
> morning. :)

*grinz*

Well, this appears to have helped a bit. I don't seem to end up CSS-spinning
on management screens but I don't think that's related.

It appears I can submit forms too (yay!) but its still painfully slow (much
slower than it was when I first installed Netscape) COuld that be because
I'm working offline and some weird DNS lookup thing is happening or is it
still a manifestation of the same problem?

Out of interest, what is the problem that is solved by deleting the above
files?

cheers,

Chris




From michel@digicool.com  Thu May 31 23:45:36 2001
From: michel@digicool.com (Michel Pelletier)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:45:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Zope] VersionLockError: version object no longer exists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010531163301.01d146d0@pop.netaddress.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105311542310.22773-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Randy McLaughlin wrote:

> 
> While working through the tutorial and introductory exercises, I appear to 
> have pointed myself into a corner.  I worked some versioning examples and 
> thought I had closed the version.  I resumed my study and eventually 
> returned to Zope to try adding a new object in the root folder.  This 
> resulted in a VersionLockError message and stack dump.  I think I've 
> figured out that this is a rather dramatic way of saying "this folder is 
> locked by another version".  I'm not sure how the root folder ended up 
> locked, but it does show that icon.

It's locked because you probably added an object to, or removed an object
from the root folder, thus changing (and hence locking) the root.

> I then tried to undo my way out of the problem. 

That's the wrong way to do it...

> This undid the creation of 
> the version object, but not the objects locked by it. 

... for this reason.  You should either commit or discard versions when
things are locked.

> Now I can't get into 
> the version, because the version does not exist.  I tried creating a new 
> version object by the same name and was able to do so but it did not end up 
> being associated with the locked folder.
> 
> It would be easy to simply uninstall Zope and reinstall it.  I have nothing 
> invested in the current configuration.  But I am uneasy about the 
> possibility of this happening later when I do have a site built and in 
> production.  I also suspect I will not be the last one bit by this problem.

Nor the first, but versions are tricky by nature.  You can fix this by
gonig to the Control Panel and clicking on 'version managment' (or
something like that).  There you'll see your version, and you can commit
it or discard it from there.

-Michel



From dave@kovach.com  Thu May 31 23:49:49 2001
From: dave@kovach.com (dave@kovach.com)
Date: 31 May 2001 15:49:49 -0700
Subject: [Zope] zwiki install help
Message-ID: <20010531224949.7472.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>

Ok,

I have exhausted the help and archive documents...

what is the deal with installing the zwiki product and zwikiwebs product?

Can someone give me the exact steps and what version of zope and what version of python I need?

I am not sure I follow the whole procedure, but I end up with broken object links when trying to add a wiki.
But I am sure I am not installing things right.

Sometimes to do the smallest of small things requires so much effort.. wow.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

David




From shane@digicool.com  Thu May 31 23:53:26 2001
From: shane@digicool.com (Shane Hathaway)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:53:26 -0400
Subject: [Zope] VersionLockError: version object no longer exists
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010531163301.01d146d0@pop.netaddress.com>
Message-ID: <3B16CB66.961E40B4@digicool.com>

Randy McLaughlin wrote:
> 
> While working through the tutorial and introductory exercises, I appear to
> have pointed myself into a corner.  I worked some versioning examples and
> thought I had closed the version.  I resumed my study and eventually
> returned to Zope to try adding a new object in the root folder.  This
> resulted in a VersionLockError message and stack dump.  I think I've
> figured out that this is a rather dramatic way of saying "this folder is
> locked by another version".  I'm not sure how the root folder ended up
> locked, but it does show that icon.

When, in a version, you add or remove an object from a folder, it locks
the folder in the version.

> I then tried to undo my way out of the problem.  This undid the creation of
> the version object, but not the objects locked by it.  Now I can't get into
> the version, because the version does not exist.  I tried creating a new
> version object by the same name and was able to do so but it did not end up
> being associated with the locked folder.

My guess is you've run into partial version commit bug.  It took a lot
of digging but with a database in this paradoxical state, a database
supplied by Ethan, I found a way that Zope (specifically, FileStorage)
could commit only a part of a version.  It's fixed in Zope 2.4.x (first
alpha released today) and, if Brian chooses to release such a version,
in Zope 2.3.3.

> It would be easy to simply uninstall Zope and reinstall it.  I have nothing
> invested in the current configuration.  But I am uneasy about the
> possibility of this happening later when I do have a site built and in
> production.  I also suspect I will not be the last one bit by this problem.

If this were important, I'd tell you to go ahead and re-create that
version object again then, in the version, change in some way all of the
objects that are locked.  Then commit the version.  Repeat until it
finishes committing.

Or just upgrade. :-)

Shane


From wittern@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp  Wed May 16 07:33:06 2001
From: wittern@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Christian Wittern)
Date: 16 May 2001 15:33:06 +0900
Subject: [Zope] Problem with Automatic Cataloging Example in ZopeBook
In-Reply-To: Chris McDonough's message of "Tue, 15 May 2001 22:56:13 -0400"
References: <u7kzixc0t.fsf@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
 <3B01EC4D.8B07BC4@digicool.com>
Message-ID: <uzocdx0pp.fsf@kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp>

Chris McDonough <chrism@digicool.com> writes:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> Hmmm... I haven't tried this, but I'm afraid I believe you.  :-( Are you
> saying that anything that is a property of an instance of a ZClass is
> not indexed in the catalog?  Does this happen with any particular type
> of ZClass properties or only a certain kind?  What if you add a
> PythonScript (with no parameters) to a ZClass as a method and make it
> return a string?  Does that get indexed?  Would you be kind enough to
> try to make that distinction and report back?  

I am following the example in the ZopeBook, Chapter 9 to the letter:

Adding Product News,
Creating ZClass NewsItem, Baseclasses: ZObject, CatalogAwareBase
Adding a propertysheet News to NewsItem
Adding properties to this sheet:
 content: text
 author: string
 date: date

I then create an instance of Catalog, with Indexes:
 author  FieldIndex
 content TextIndex
 date    FieldIndex
 title   FieldIndex

and a table of Metadata
 absolute_url
 author
 date
 title

I also create a ZSearch Interface with a FOrm and a Report method

If I now add a NewsItem to my ZOpe somewhere, I can see the item
appearing in my Catalog, when I click on the Catalog-tab. When I now
click on the item in the catalog, I see the catalog record for this
item. This tells me that the fields author and
title are empty in the section Metadata Contents and author, title and content
are empty in the section Index Contents.


Now trying the trick with the PythonScript:

Adding a PythonScript "test" as method to NewsItem
  The script just returns a string, without any params.
Adding a TextIndex  "test" to the Catalog
Adding a field "test" to the Metadata table

With this in place, I now add another NewsItem to my Zope, and add
some dummy content.

Looking at the index record reveals: Indeed, the string returned from
the "test" script is in place, both in the Index and in the Metatable
record.


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