[Zope] Q: Verifying the poll numbers

Dan L. Pierson dan@control.com
Mon, 21 May 2001 13:37:05 -0400

--On Monday, May 21, 2001 12:58:49 PM +0100 Tony McDonald 
<tony.mcdonald@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:

> Well, if you look at the other choices;
> More kick ass RDMS adapters     - more or less covered
> Storage abstraction layer       - deep voodoo, not many folks will
> understand this one
> An IDE (Zope Studio)            -
> Easier installation of Zope and products    - happens quite rarely
> Conversion of more data types   - seems like another db issue
> Nothing, its perfect            - :)
> Not that I'm slagging Andy off - it's a *good* thing to solicit feedback,
> just that out of those choices, most people are going to go for the
> 'eye-candy' option.

I agree.  An IDE, especially with integrated multithread debugging, would 
be a good thing
and worth paying for.  It's my first choice OF THE OPTIONS GIVEN.  It's not 
close to
my first choice overall.

For one example: "Better Zope monitoring support" would be much more 
important to us
than any of the listed options.  I'll be that everyone fighting with 
hanging Zopes
would agree with us.

>> Wow.  Let's try a different tack.  Pretend there was a for-free Zope
>> Studio and a for-fee Zope Studio.  Let's say the difference was either
>> like ActiveState's difference (personal use vs. professional use), or
>> say the difference was in "Professional" capabilities.
>> Does anyone think there would be any moderate-sized market for a for-fee
>> version?  How many of you would pay a few hundred bucks for a
>> high-quality dev/authoring/admin environment for Zope?

We would buy several copies if it ran well on Linux, especially if it had 
debugging support in a live multithreaded environment.  For the record, I 
buy three copies of the Wing IDE, but haven't looked again at Komodo (the 
stuff didn't work on Linux at the Python conference and it didn't seem very

> One thing for me - it *must* be cross-platform. One reason I'm so into
> Zope is the non-M$oft flavour of it all, I can use it from my Mac
> runnning MacOS X (and *run* Zope on it), on PCs in our department, or
> most other things we come across as long as they run a browser.

Agreed.  I will use a PC, but not Windows anything.  However, our editors
and content people run Windows and would be uninterested in a Linux only

Dan Pierson
Control.com, Inc.