[Zope] NeoBoard - Stupid Newbie Questions
Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:37:59 +0100
> 1. NeoBoard managers are NOT necessarily Zope managers. You can
> delegate management authorities to any "legitimate" Zope users
> under the tree where NeoBoard is created.
SO the user to whom management is delegated must be a legit Zope user,
but need not be a Zope manger - OK, got that...
> You can't make non-Zope users NeoBoard managers.
..and that /is/ a mistake I have been making.
BTW, does NeoBard need a MailHost - or does it have it's own SMTP
functionality? It hasn't asked me for a server, and I can't see how it
could know /which/ MailHost to use...
> 2. NeoBoard has its own UI for management. It's because you don't
> want "thousands of messages" hogging the resources of your
> computer when accessed thru the standard ZMI. As far as I know,
> ZMI offers little when it comes to dealing with a long list
> of objects. We're talking about thousands, even tens of thousands
> of objects here. So I thought better of resorting to ZMI. It'd be
> a bit stupid to let managers waste their time trying to
> access NeoBoard message objects thru ZMI. I gave it a try, but
> I ain't pretty.
However, there are a few things that I /would/ like to be able to "get
at", other than the raw message objects (I'd like to think I could work
with these programmatically if not interactively, BTW). The most
important is the document which "holds the board" - ideally, if this
document were a DTML Method (Like Squishdot, which I have some
experience with), I could then call this from my existing (DTML) page
> When logged in as NeoBoard manager or Zope manager, you can see
> "Edit Properties" button just above the message list (along with
> Batch action buttons at the bottom). As a normal user, you can't
> see them. Clicking on the button lets you in on the
> NeoBoard Management UI including the management tabs. Only
> the "Contents" tab normal to Folderish objects is not visible.
OK, got it!
> You can force the "Contents" tab on a particular message by
> accessing it thru that particular message's "URL/manage"
That bit I don't get - could you expand on that, please?
> When I first started developing in Zope, Zope's user folders
> (the stock one, and other extended versions) baffled me in
> that they seemed to have been designed for a small set of users,
> not even thousands. ...[snip]... Am I missing something, or does
> Zope really want the getUserNames() method to return a million
> records if you have that many users, for example? Please,
> enlighten me on this if I'm wrong.
I don't know what the practical limits are - I guess I'd be looking at
LDAP or something if I wanted to manage these sorts of numbers, for all
sorts of reasons...Zope Gurus (of whom I am not one!) Might have a
> I'm relatively new to Zope. It's only a month since I started
> porting NeoBoard from PHP. So please, bear with me if any
> of the above sounds "really stupid.":-)
You seem to be coming along nicely <g> - I'm a stringer-togther of
other's pearls, rather than a coder (oyster?), But I hope you have as
much fun with it as I do.
For the record, my last two posts to this lists have had good (e.g.
Problem solving) responses in 20 minutes or so - you literally couldn't
get better support if you paid for it - Thanks all!