[Zope] Re: major problems placing authentication on an extranet
michael nt milne
michael.milne at gmail.com
Fri Feb 10 10:36:01 EST 2006
I couldn't resist :-) You seem so entertained. Bit of sport and all that.
I've spoken to many people on various lists and can confirm the feeling
about usability on the ZMI etc. You call them 'halfwits'. That puts you on
rather high ground and this attitude is obviously part of the problem.
How come Plone's interface is so useable and a delight to work with? How was
> who I have built sites for using Plone and on showing
> them the ZMI they have re-coiled in absolute horror.
>>Sure it wasn't just your cack-handed coding? ;-)
>>> I haven't coded anything in the ZMI !
>>They shouldn't be going to the ZMI if you've done your job properly with
the Plohn interface..
>>>Wrong. There are many things you still have to do through the ZMI. Like
changing the banner graphic on the site if you want to. Basic things like
>Guessing? Yay, just what you need from someone you're paying to develop
>> Just a figure of speech in trying to be diplomatic. I shouldn't have
bothered to be honest.
And as for the clients comment I'm not even going to go there. I have many
highly satisfied clients. I hope you do as well but I doubt it with such an
Please don't post again or I will have to reply :-) ha
On 2/10/06, Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
> michael nt milne wrote:
> > Well I said it was over and out but I have to respond to this latest
> You liar!
> Basically though, Zope permissions and security could be made a lot more
> > usable.
> Cool, we look forward to your documented proposal to dev.zope.org
> including implemented code on a branch with unit tests that satisfies
> all of Zope's potential users while maintaining complete security in all
> scenarios and providing a ui so perfect that even muppets could use it
> and not shoot themselves in the foot.
> > It's far too technically focused and this is the opinion of a few
> > others as well.
> A few other halfwits maybe...
> > The whole ZMI interface could be put through a usability
> > re-design to be honest
> Ah great, does that mean you're offering to finance this?
> > and that's not even to comtemplate the security
> > areas.
> I'm not sure you're qualified or capable of contemplating such areas ;-)
> > I have a few clients,
> I pitty them, I really do...
> > who I have built sites for using Plone and on showing
> > them the ZMI they have re-coiled in absolute horror.
> Sure it wasn't just your cack-handed coding? ;-)
> > Now obviously Plone is
> > trying to bring more and more features within its own interface, which
> > good as it's more usable.
> Obiviously, it's why we all _love_ Plohn so _damn_ much *grinz*
> > However many things still remain.
> Sadly, including you...
> > Most of my
> > clients are able to use the Plone editing tools and interfaces but can't
> > all get their heads round the ZMI.
> They shouldn't be going to the ZMI if you've done your job properly with
> the Plohn interface...
> > I would guess that changing interfaces
> > doesn't help but there you go.
> Guessing? Yay, just what you need from someone you're paying to develop
> > Glad you feel entertained Norbert. I have been as well and at the same
> > have made quite a bit of progress. Cheers.
> Please god, leaves us alone...
> Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
> - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
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