[Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

Kees de Brabander cj.de.brabander at hccnet.nl
Mon Apr 13 06:56:49 EDT 2009

I'm dutch and have had a decent education and therefore do understand german
as well.
I am not sure what this is all about, but 'ob man Dich nicht von den Listen 
werfen sollte' sounds to me like "whether you should not be removed from the
I cannot take that as anything else than a threat, may be not from you
personally, but nevertheless a threat.

I am a part of the silent majority that uses Zope 2 and happily so. I am
willing to keep up with new developments, but have not much time to learn
new tricks of the trade. Discussions like this one make me fear that in the
near future I will have to investigate other solutions.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: zope-bounces at zope.org [mailto:zope-bounces at zope.org] Namens Andreas
Verzonden: maandag 13 april 2009 9:31
Aan: Dieter Maurer
CC: Chris Withers; zope at zope.org
Onderwerp: Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

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On 13.04.2009 6:46 Uhr, Dieter Maurer wrote:
> Andreas Jung wrote at 2009-4-12 09:52 +0200:
>> ...
>> @Dieter: participate or be silent. You are member of the Zope 
>> community for years, you are member of the Zope Foundation as a committer
>> Such statements are at most laughable based on your record of your 
>> active contributions to the Zope community and the active 
>> participation within the Zope community.
> In a private email, Andreas has threadened to exclude me from the Zope 
> mailing lists -- apparently to get me silent forcefully when I do not 
> obey.

Learn to read and translate. The German text says that some committer are no
longer interested in your ongoing ranting. In fact I tried to explain to
other committers to take you as you are for a very long time.
But the patience is over at some point. And the message does not contain any
thread from MY side about throwing you from the list. I only said that I
would no longer veto against it.

> For me, this looks like dictatorship tendencies start to grow and are 
> soon embracing censorship.
Re-read what Jens wrote some time ago about "Only those who participate".


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