[Zope3-dev] Re: RFC: ZConfig and other formats for ZCML

[Dario Lopez-Kästen]

Andreas Jung wrote:
> 
> 
> --On 23. Januar 2006 15:22:27 -0500 Andrew Sawyers <andrew at sawdog.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 18:51 +0100, Andreas Jung wrote:
>>
>>> This separation is artificial. I've never seen a single Zope
>>> installation  where a system administrator had to care about Zope
>>> configuration issue.  There was always a Zope developer in charge to
>>> deal with configuration  issues.
>>
>> Those of us developers who have been in this case might not like that to
>> always be the case.  :)  I'd like to live in a perfect World also.....
>>
> 
> Depends on the ratio developers : sysadmins. If it is 50:50 them the 
> separation is ok. IMO it is 80:20 :-) But that's only my personal estimate.
> 
> -aj
> 

For us working in large organisations (and here I am bluntly assuming 
that using Zope in large organisations is OK, if you guys don't mind) 
then this kind of statment makes no sense.

Sure, perhaps you guys never have experienced a situation where there 
are 2-4 developers and 10-12 sysadmins, however that does not mean that 
your own (in this sense "limited") personal experience constitutes some 
kind of universal truth.

In large organisations where deployment is actually a big deal, then the 
developers are far fewer than the sysadmins, and there are logistical 
and resource problems atteched to forcing the developers become an 
essential part of the on-going sysadmining tasks.

Developers are a scarse resource and need to be foucused oin developing 
things. Sysadmins need to allowed to have a low entry barrier to Zope 
system administration.

My humble 0.02 €

/dario

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