[Grok-dev] Python UK meeting and Django

kevin at mcweekly.com kevin at mcweekly.com
Thu May 8 23:07:44 EDT 2008

Quoting Kapil Thangavelu <kapil.foss at gmail.com>:

> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Kevin Smith <kevin at mcweekly.com> wrote:
>> Noah Gift wrote:
>>> They were successful due to brilliant marketing (kudos man), a
>>> mostly-developed python answer to RoR, a good sense of timing and strong
>>> community development skills.
>>  I agree, and if you doubt this truth, then read Four Hour Work Week.
>>  Anyone can create their own image, and expertise in weeks, but it requires
>> tenacious and persistent marketing.  They, or the entity, needs to write
>> many articles, give talks, etc.  Unfortunately, often the very smartest
>> people suck the most at engaging in this type of necessary behavior.
>>> Perhaps grok is being too nice. GROK SMASH YET ANOTHER ROR RIPOFF.
>>> </rant>
>>> Of course a real advantage for DJango is that they are AppEngine ready.
>>> Interestingly the Datastore is much more akin to the ZODB than it is to an
>>> RDB.
>>  I have been playing with the Datastore and like it quite a bit.  I would
>> love to see a version of Grok that just uses the Datastore as option.  I
>> would really, really like Grok then.  I know we have a "Global Sprint"
>> coming at the end of May, and also some people that use Grok will be
>> attending the Google I/O event.  Anyone want to try...?
>> Yup, I'm game. The 1,000 file limit is pretty tough. A did a basic test
>> doing an install of ore.wsgiref, and ended up with 3000+ files without
>> including zcml.
>> My mini-strategy is to
>> * get easy_install zope.component
>> * get martian working
>> * implement custom traversal
>> * fork grok  :) doh!
>> After looking at the Datastore it may yet  be possible to do object-based
>> publishing by replacing persistence. I'll have to catch up with you at
>> Google I/O.
>> fwiw, i started playing around with trying get z3 onto gae, its a hard
> issue, after fiddling away the proxies in zope.deferredmodule, there's still
> pkg_resource fixes to get just a barebones zope.publisher.paste running, and
> then there are issues with location.proxies.. you'll end up with a very
> stripped down z3, with little resemblance to the standard stack just pure
> object publishing, and thats not even including a templating engine, which
> have proxies referenced in them. and of course the 1000 file limit is tough,
> to work around you can try zip'd files but that kills existing zcml usage
> and template usage. at that point i realized i was just reinventing what the
> repoze guys have been doing.. and that for running a z3 like environment the
> repoze stack (obob publisher, transaction) is likely to be quite a bit
> easier to just run.
> cheers,
> kapil

Nice work. Off-hand do you think it would it be more feasible to port  

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