[ZDP] Re: ZDP Digest, Vol 3, Issue 18

Tom Snell snell at tsa.de
Fri Oct 24 06:18:21 EDT 2003

Zope Developer's Guide (2.4 edition)
It is obvious many people new to Zope are burning up a lot of time, 
because it is very difficult to get a web site started.  My reaction 
initially was to start a project that would teach people the, say, 50 
things required to get a web site going.
Ironically, I have not been able to break into the organization and get 
a conversation going.
This is zope.org, so where is the org?
Tom Snell

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>Today's Topics:
>   1. BackTalk to Document Zope Developer's Guide (2.4
>      edition)/Introduction (webmaster at zope.org)
>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:24:45 -0400
>From: webmaster at zope.org
>Subject: [ZDP] BackTalk to Document Zope Developer's Guide (2.4
>	edition)/Introduction
>To: zdp at zope.org
>Message-ID: <E1AChKP-0004yV-Nx at mail.python.org>
>A comment to the paragraph below was recently added via http://zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZDG/current/Introduction.stx#1-0
>  Zope is an open source web application framework.  It has three
>  distinct audiences:
>    % chrism - Dec. 10, 2001 11:02 am - Note that folks are encouraged to make comments using the comment system.  Thanks!
>    *Site Managers* -- individuals who use of Zope's "out of the box" features
>     to build websites.  This audience is interested in making use
>     of Zope's existing array of features to create content
>     management solutions.  They will likely make heavy use of
>     "through the web" scripting using DTML, Page Templates, and
>     Python Scripts as well as (of course) HTML and XML.  They are
>     generally less concerned about code reuse than the speed with
>     which they can create a custom application or website.
>    *Developers* -- individuals who wish to extend Zope to create
>     highly customized solutions.  This audience is likely interested
>     in creating highly reusable custom code that makes Zope do something
>     new and interesting.
>    *Administrators* -- individuals responsible for keeping a Zope
>     site running and performing installations and upgrades.
>    % Anonymous User - Sep. 10, 2002 8:09 pm:
>     I really like the idea of a downloadable PDF. However the header on every page is "Introduction" (same in the
>     Zope Book). This doesn't give you much clue which chapter you are on and can be confusing.
>     I know that HTMLDOC supports putting the chapter name in the header. Can you do this instead?
>    % Anonymous User - Jan. 10, 2003 4:05 am:
>     This system is amazing. I like Python a lot!
>    % Anonymous User - Feb. 24, 2003 7:02 pm:
>     About the "Comment" images.
>     They have a thin black border around them (which is probably not what you want) but not in Mozilla or the
>     other popular browser.
>     If you change 'border="off"' to 'border="0"' in the HTML then the border disappears.
>     The border, though deprecated, is supposed to be an integer.
>     I know that this is a very picky point but it is not a really good introduction to Zope.
>    % Anonymous User - Apr. 9, 2003 9:51 am:
>     Is it possible to mention somewhere in the menu of this page that this beautifull functionnality that allow
>     the user to include comments directly on this page to maintain and enrich the contents is achieved with a
>     Zope product called "BackTalk" (with a link to the corresponding page). Perhaps it is written somewhere but
>     I've not been able to find it.
>    % Anonymous User - Apr. 9, 2003 2:19 pm:
>     See http://backtalk.sourceforge.net for the latest version...
>    % Anonymous User - May 4, 2003 5:37 pm:
>     I like commentable sites and even tried to design one once. But the comments here are too distracting, too
>     large and generally annoying.
>     They should either be restricted to areas that are fuzzy and uncertain or they should be really small and
>     unnoticable.
>    % Anonymous User - Sep. 1, 2003 10:05 pm:
>     I agree.
>    % Anonymous User - Sep. 23, 2003 8:04 am:
>     To add a comment please go to the top of any page and ascertain by clicking on the COM button whether is is
>     ON or OFF. Make sure it is OFF (Figure that one out!).
>     Go to the first available comment and then scroll to the far right. You will find a small button in the lower
>     right corner which, when clicked, adds a "Comment" window at the bottom of the page.
>     Add your comment.
>    % Anonymous User - Oct. 23, 2003 11:24 am:
>     hytyt
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