[ZWeb] Zope.org and New zope.org status

Paul Everitt paul@eurozope.org
Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:00:57 +0100

Jeffrey P Shell wrote:
> On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 11:32  PM, Paul Everitt wrote:
>> On vendredi, jan 10, 2003, at 01:33 Europe/Paris, george donnelly wrote:
>>> perhaps another issue might be how are people who have already 
>>> volunteered
>>> being integrated into the project? I volunteered in the suggested way 
>>> and
>>> was never contacted.
>> Same for me.  I'm not sure what is the answer on this.  Zope 2, CMF, 
>> and Zope 3 are all mostly-community efforts.  I'm curious how 
>> zope.org, the community website, fits into that sequence.
> I'm not sure what the answer is either.  The software products described 
> above have certain mechanisms protecting them from the crazy little 
> ideas that people have (like 'typing dtml is too hard, lets change the 
> tags to z (z-in, z-if)'), such as CVS control and permissions and some 
> degree of development process / methodology.  A web site, particularly a 
> community site, is a very open ended project with less tools for 
> collaborative development and very little methodology.  A lot of time 
> could be spent just coming up with the 'zope.org committer/developer 
> guidelines'.

I think this point reinforces Kapil's statement of "don't do development 
inside the ZODB". :^)

We could just use the Collective as a place to develop the software that 
is nzo.  I put CMFPackage there for just that purpose.

This would then open the software to more contributors and, in an ideal 
world, would get the software used outside of nzo (thus contributing to 
its permanence).

Content, obviously, can't go in CVS.  But the software and the skins can 
go in CVS.

I don't think, though, that the problem is software methodology.

>> Can we get an official pronouncement from the zope.org powers-that-be 
>> regarding nzo's relationship with the community?  Jeffrey, is this 
>> your department?
> I don't even know what's going on.  All NZO documents I can even find 
> are from april/may (even its collector has issues only from april/may). 
>  My work has primarily focused on Zope.org itself.
> I thought that there was a separate mailing list where NZO discussion 
> was taking place, but I can find no real evidence of that now.  If there 
> is such a list, or if there are more recent documents, I would like to 
> take the time to update the relevant sections of zope.org/dev.zope.org 
> and try to improve navigation into them.

Have you been participating in nzo development up to now?

If not, will you participate before the alpha?