[ZWeb] Re: [Zope] PHP vs. Zope/Plone? Which better overall and for what?

Mark Pratt mark at zopemag.com
Fri Dec 17 13:14:59 EST 2004


Don't know whether this was discussed yet but sometimes its not 
necessarily a Zope vs. PHP thing :-)


There are a lot of cool PHP apps which sometimes just don't make sense 
to redo in Zope. phpAdNews or php collab come immediately to mind. So 
figuring how to integrate these with Zope is sometimes a worthwhile 



On Dec 17, 2004, at 6:50 PM, Kirk Strauser wrote:

> On Wednesday 15 December 2004 17:40, seberino at spawar.navy.mil wrote:
>> However, I keep hearing about more and more big beefy
>> web projects and companies using PHP.
> I also recently visited a client who had a copy of "Writing Web 
> Applications
> in RPG" on his desk, but I wouldn't necessarily want to do it.
> I would not personally ever develop a large web app in PHP, for much 
> the
> same reason that I wouldn't develop a large client-side app in C.  
> Both are
> clearly possible, but I firmly believe that much better alternatives 
> exist
> now.
>> Without starting a flame war, is there a chance in future
>> the power AND ease of PHP may win out over Zope?
> Absolutely zero.  As long as Zope is still maintained, it hasn't 
> "lost".
> I've written a *lot* of my company's application stack in Python.  
> Using
> Zope was kind of a no-brainer, since I can call the exact same methods 
> from
> within Zope as from my other clients.  There's basically no support 
> for PHP
> outside of the web environment; although there's a command-line 
> interpreter
> for it, I've literally never once seen it used.
>> It seems Zope's steep learning curve is a showstopper for some.
> It's steep, true, but also very short.  It took me a little while to 
> stop
> fighting its design (I'd most recently written PHP before I discovered 
> Zope
> and kept wanting to develop Zope in the same way I'd written PHP), but 
> once
> I did, the payoff was immediate and enormous.
> -- 
> Kirk Strauser
> The Day Companies
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