[Zope] ZPT tutorial

[David H]

John,

If you spent more time just *learning* Zope and HTML, etc and less time 
rationalizing your lack of progress everyone would be happy.

David




John Poltorak wrote:

>On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 03:15:33PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
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>>On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 07:29:20PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote:
>>re. zopelabs.com:
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>>>It probably is very useful, but I know I'd get hopelessly lost because 
>>>there is just so much stuff on it.
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>>So you prefer to ignore it?
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>Just how much time should you spend on something when you are deriving no 
>benefit just increasing frustration?
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>>Granted, zopelabs.com has flaws. It's harder to find stuff than it
>>should be.  Nevertheless, browsing that site, along with reading the
>>Zope book (the old print version), was instrumental in getting me from
>>knowing nothing, to the point where I became a full-time zope developer.
>>We didn't even have the great resource of zopewiki.org back then.
>>Use that too, zopewiki is your friend.
>>There are tons of good links from http://zopewiki.org/PageTemplates
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>Thanks. I'll check that.
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>>In general, I don't know how you expect to make any progress when your
>>typical response to the (many) suggestions you receive on this list is
>>"I can't read that, it's too much work".
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>If I spend a couple of days on something and make no progress, I'd say 
>it's 'too much work'. Wouldn't you.
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>I was on a course over the weekend where ordinary people in their 70's 
>with no technical ability were knocking together websites in just a few 
>hours with no prior training and no understanding of the 
>underlying concepts involved. Why should Zope be just as easy?
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>>>Most of the newbie stuff about macros 
>>>is probably quite old by now so I doubt whether I'd find it with a 
>>>sequential browse through the Cookbook. 
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>>"probably"? "doubt"? 
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>>>It's disappointing to find that the link from Newbies under the ZOPE 
>>>section does not function.
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>>True that. I don't know what happened to zopenewbies.net.
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>>>What I really need is something like a ZPT macro which defines a header 
>>>and footer and leaves a slot in the middle for my own content. I don't  
>>>expect to be able to write my own macro for quite a while - too many 
>>>pitfalls... I'm not even sure is that is how I should be approaching 
>>>writing a home page.
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>>Have you tried the tutorial that comes with Zope?
>>It includes at least one simple example of macros - see lesson 4.
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>>Not sure how to run the tutorial?  The default index_html for a new Zope 
>>server tells you:
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>>"""There is a built-in interactive Zope Tutorial which gets you started
>>with some simple tasks using the Zope managment interface. To use the
>>tutorial, go to any Folder and select Zope Tutorial from the add list
>>and click the Add button. Provide a name for the tutorial and click Add
>>to begin working with the tutorial.
>>"""
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>There is a quantum leap between the tutorial and being able to do anything 
>useful with a website. What the tutorial needs to to handhold you through 
>putting together something like the homepage of zope.org.
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>>Paul Winkler
>>http://www.slinkp.com
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