[Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

Andrew Milton akm at theinternet.com.au
Fri Apr 3 13:19:41 EDT 2009

+-------[ Chris Withers ]----------------------
| Andrew Milton wrote:
| >| >Plenty of people use it without plone. You might want to crawl out of
| >| >the vacuum you live in.
| >| 
| >| Yes, and I'm one of them, but I don't think it's fair to try and tempt 
| >| new users into it...
| >| 
| >| I'm happy to be proven wrong by you writing lots of decent docs, picking 
| >| up maintenance of zope.org and LocalFS ;-)
| >
| >You're good at volunteering people to do work. 
| I'm not volunteering anyone, I'm saying that if you want to stick by 
| your position then you need to be the one to prove it's true.

My position is that plenty of people use Zope 2 without plone, and "I
need" to prove that, by writing the docs and maintaining the zope.org 
community resource owned by The Zope Foundation and by usurping the control 
of 3rd party software? I'm not sure of how exactly that proves my point.

In fact it sounds like *you* want something done, but, aren't willing to
do it yourself. Oh I already made that point.

| >I already maintain a lot of code, 
| such as?

So you really don't go to zope.org.

| >and I have my own LocalFS-type code so I 
| >don't see the need to maintain a different one.
| Then why not release this and advertise is as a maintained alternative 
| to LocalFS?

Why bother? LocalFS seems to be sufficient for what people use it for,
and other people are looking after it.

| >would happily take it over, in the same way I've given my code over to
| >other people to maintain.
| You mean code you've stopped maintaining? ;-)

Yes it's a bit pointless to hand over the code I'm still maintaining.

| >As for docs, an army of people continually volunteer on #zope to update
| >the zope book.
| ...and then don't follow through on it.

Welcome to the Bazaar.

| >Given my other contributions to Zope society, 
| ...
| >I'm happy to be a knowledge resource for anyone wanting to update the
| >existing book / write a new freely available document.
| A safe offer to make given the number of authors we have floating around ;-)

You can't have it both ways. We have plenty of authors, but, no docs. So
why bother a non-author with stupid non-sequiturs? 

Andrew Milton
akm at theinternet.com.au

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