[Zope3-dev] Papal Edicts

[Chris Withers]

Guido van Rossum wrote:
> 
> [me]
> > > The "hello world" of Zope3 is still too big.
> 
> [Chris Withers]
> > That succinctly covers my own personal biggest fear about Zope 3
> > over Zope 2.  I've heard similar comments from several disparate
> > group[s of people as well...
> 
> Better get used to it.  It's a papal edict that making "hello world"
> simple is not one of Zope 3's goals.

Well, maybe not, but if building simple apps quickly isn't pretty high up the list for
Zoep 3 final then I'll be very glad it's all open source ;-) Shame I won't be able to call
it "Zope" though :-(

> [Chris again, in a later post]
> > Yes, BUT, the only reason that this was demanded is because Zope 2
> > got the first part of this stuff very very right: It should be dead
> > simple to build small slightly dynamic websites.
> 
> Hm.  That was not my experience. 

Were the books and tutorials around when you tried?

> While it's OK to give site admins the ability to tweak apps, unless
> they understand the app very well that's not going to do them any more
> good than giving them the ability to edit the python source codes
> comprising the app.

Yup, and I don't think much should be thrown into that 'config' bracket other than things
like what port something runs on or what database it uses or what path it's data files are
stored in.

cheers,

Chris