[Zope3-dev] Protocol support was [Zope3-checkins] CVS: Zope3/lib/python/Zope/App/OFS/Services/SmtpService/Views - __init__.py:1.1 configure.zcml:1.1

[Tim Hoffman]

Hi Guido 

Actually I have yet to play with Twisted.

Actually my desire to utilise new protocols came from 
some of the research I am doing (paid for, not personal) into 
community frameworks. 

One of things we would like to achieve is provide many different 
access channels into an online community, where the line
between content access, messaging etc.. start to blur.

And zope as an application server rather than content server 
actually provides a pretty good platform for playing around with this
sort of stuff.

Personally I have thought that Zope could be a really good mud/moo
platform. ie build the objects TTW, but interact through other protocols
such as telnet/jabber ....

I suppose that all the talk of "not" making Zope3 CMF specific but
rather it is an application server, that one can build CMF's on, 
makes me think we shouldn't limit the scope of applications or
for that matter how one can access them.

Regards

Tim 

On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 09:36, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> > Whether someone specifically needs SMTP integrated as a protocol in
> > Zope 3, I would imagine would really be up to individual
> > requirements, however I would like to think it is possible and
> > fairly straight forward to do such a thing.  Being able to "plug in"
> > (probably not the correct term as plug-in is often misused ;-) new
> > protocols, or at least implement new protocols in Zope 3, in a
> > straight forward and well documented manner would have to be a big
> > attractor and feature of Zope
> > 3. 
> > 
> > I think we do need to have a protocol framework, and sure many
> > protocols aren't shipped with Zope 3, (ie Jabber support)
> 
> I agree that it should be possible to plug in new protocols easily.
> But whence this desire to support "many protocols"?  Have you all been
> watching too much Twisted lately?  Protocols need to make sense for
> Zope.  Why would you want Zope to support Jabber?
> 
> Twisted has different goals than Zope; it is a framework for writing
> arbitrary net applications.  Zope limits itself (mostly) to that
> subset of web applications that require mostly-read access to
> persistent objects, with added services like access control,
> authentication, multiple views, cataloging, and so on.
> 
> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)